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From YouTube: Punta Gorda City Council 6-17-15 Part 3
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A
Districts
where
it
would
be
more
permitted
for
permissible
to
locate
those
and
as
long
as
there
was
an
adequate
acreage
for
the
opportunity
for
those
enterprises
to
be
located
in
the
city
in
the
appropriate
zone,
it
was
okay,
whereas
if
you,
if
you
allocated
a
certain
zoning
district
for
them-
but
there
was
enough
commercial
that
there
was
enough
space
available,
then
it
wouldn't
be.
Okay
again,
it
may
be
that
those
cases
were
based
on
the
arguments
that
adult
entertainment
is
protected
in
some
fashion
by
First.
A
C
A
I
mean
there's
certainly
other
jurisdictions
that
have
done
things.
Otherwise,
all
those
cases
I
was
talking
about
with
respect
to
adult
entertainment,
so
it
wouldn't
have
been
cases,
somebody
obviously
prohibited
them,
and
the
courts
ultimately
determine
couldn't
and
and
so
I
have
no
problem
with
Naples
being
the
point
of
the
spear
on
that
and
if
there's
a
lawsuit,
we
learn
from
it,
but
I'd
be
I,
preferred
it
to
really
see
what
what
the
latest
thought
is
on
geology's
of
it.
Nancy.
D
Yeah
I
would
agree
with
you
I,
my
first
preference
wives
read.
This
was
no
not
at
all,
and
yet,
when
I
look
at
the
shape
of
our
city,
we
have
so
many
County
areas
that
are
really
within
our
city,
that
if
the
county
doesn't
have
an
ordinance,
then
one
could
pop
up
somewhere.
That
really
is
physically
really
within
our
city,
just
not
within
the
city
limits,
but
it's
not.
E
D
E
D
I
B
B
J
J
J
E
B
D
D
So
it's
I
would
ask
the
county
to
in
the
development
of
the
history
center
or
the
library
to
look
at
how
it
can
the
synergy
between
that
and
the
park
and
and
create
a
way
to
have
some
beyonc.
It's
really
feeds
to
that
historical
nature
and
that
that
feeling
of
the
canopy
of
the
trees
and
the
shrubs.
B
K
I
The
12
acres,
okay,
see
the
architect
that
the
county
hires
wants
an
envelope
onward
to
design
the
county
will
eventually
based
on
that
design,
come
back
with
a
legal
description
and
we
can
put
together
a
deed
with
the
typical
reverter
clause,
but
they
want
to
have
something
to
work,
and
the
six
plus
acres,
flicks,
plus
or
minus
acres
is
that
envelope
that
they
feel
they
need
to
get
the
process
started.
Yes,.
J
E
I
B
G
I
C
B
E
I
I
I
We
have
the
general
fund
status
report
that
is
a
just
to
get
us
prepared
or
July
eighth,
because
when
we
meet
next
week
and
we'll
passed
a
tentative
millage,
but
the
budget
tentative
assessments
for
the
PGI
and
BSI
canal
maintenance
funds
and
the
tentative
assessment
for
the
lot
mowing.
Angela.
Okay,
we're
on
track
all.
A
Just
to
bring
you
up
to
date
with
where
we
are
in
our
challenge
of
the
Charlotte
County
comprehensive
plan
amendments
related
to
shale
Creek.
As
you
may
all
know,
the
the
Charlotte
County
asked
for
an
expedited
hearing
in
that
case,
and
the
judge
has
set
it
for
a
trial
type
hearing
for
Thursday
july.
A
Second,
a
mere
two
weeks
from
tomorrow
and
along
with
that,
there's
a
an
expedited
discovery
schedule
which
substantially
hampers
our
ability
to
carry
our
burden,
and
in
this
case
it's
so,
we
have
to
demonstrate
that
the
proposed
changes
are
not
even
fairly
debatable
and
it's
a
probably
one
highest,
most
deferential
standards
for
the
county.
So
we've
got
to
do
our
homework
and
essentially
where
our
allegations
are
that
the
proposed
changes
do
not
take
into
consideration
the
potential
impact
to
the
quality
and
quantity
of
the
waters
in
shale
Creek.
A
A
Fortunately,
for
us,
dr.
Kincaid
was
involved
in
preparing
a
report
assessing
a
proposed
mine
in
2009,
actually
retained
by
Charlotte
County
to
review
the
application
that
was
submitted
at
that
time,
and
a
lot
of
the
information
that
he
presented
in
his
report
was
information
that
I
used
to
understand
the
impacts
of
these
mines
towards
the
potential
impacts
towards
shale
Creek
and
and
was
the
basis
of
our
challenge,
and
he
is
available
to
provide
testimony
based
on
his
knowledge
of
the
surficial
aquifer,
the
impacts,
the
surficial
aquifer
and,
ultimately,
the
potential
impacts
to
shale
Creek.
A
B
Approval
knows
what
I'm
sorry
well
moved
and
seconded
to
approve,
have
discussion.
I
just
think.
It
is
unfortunate
that
we
have
to
move
in
this
direction
with
our
county
commissioners
and
that
we
could
not
have
further
discussion
to
resolve
the
concerns
that
we
have
with
regards
to
the
quantity
and
quality
of
water.
That's
coming
out
of
shale
Creek.
They
should
be
just
as
concerned
and
just
as
aware
that
it's
not
just
Punta
Gorda,
but
it's
all
of
unincorporated,
Charlotte,
County
and
other
parts
of
Charlotte
County.
B
That
would
not
would
be
impacted
if
there
was
something
going
on
or
something
wrong
with
the
water
coming
out
of
those
mines.
So
I'm
just
sorry
that
we
could
not
come
to
some
Amina
Bowl
conclusion
and
language
that
would
again
be
a
win-win
for
both
the
county
in
the
city.
So
it's
been
moved
and
seconded
any
other
discussion.
I.
E
B
B
L
Yes'm
as
we
do
each
year,
in
conjunction
with
the
Florida
League
of
Cities
annual
conference,
we
designate
one
one
council
member
to
be
the
voting
delegate
at
the
business
meeting
and
we've
also
selected
an
alternate.
So
you
want
to
decide
who
so
far
it's
mayor,
Freeland,
councilmember
craft,
key
councilmember,
Kavanagh
and
councilmember
Kiessling
are
attending
councilmember
divined
is
not
attending
the
conference,
so
it
would
be
one
of
those
four
who
are
attending
since.
B
D
L
We
have
two
regular
member
terms
on
the
building
born
to
regular
terms
on
the
code
enforcement
board
and
one
vacancy
for
a
regular
seat
on
the
Planning
Commission
under
nominations.
We
have
an
unexpired
term
as
a
regular
member
on
the
building
board
and
we
have
three
eligible
applicants
for
nomination,
not.
G
L
G
L
B
G
G
Have
a
picture
of
it
somewhere
in
our
comp
claim:
don't
we
are
in
our
newsletter?
I
gave
you
all
the
paperwork.
Sorry
I,
don't
have
it
with
me
anyway.
These
are
street
legal
neighborhood,
electrical
vehicles
and
Joe
may
want
to
get
up,
and
possibly
it's
it.
It's
in
our
comp
plan
that
we
that
we
look
forward
for
our
residents
to
use
these
such
vehicles.
They
are
street
legal
they're
allowed
by
Florida
Statute.
I
sent
you
the
link
for
those
florida
statute.
G
They
basically
fit
perfectly
within
the
city
of
Punta
Gorda,
because
you
can
drive
them
on
roads
of
35
miles
per
hour
or
less,
and
you
are
allowed
to
cross
over
highways
such
as
US
41.
So
you
would
basically
be
able
to
traverse
the
city
pretty
much
the
whole
way,
a
Kia
style.
What
is
the
speed
limit
on
to.
G
Que
estas,
fine
and
all
the
other
neighborhood
roads
that
are
35
or
less
are
fine
as
well.
They
have
to
be
a
licensed
driver
has
to
drive
them,
they
have
to
be
registered
with
a
real
tag.
They
have
to
be
insured
and
that's
all
spelled
out
in
the
statute.
We
have
a
resident
who
is
it
hot
to
buy
one
of
these
cute
little
cars
and
she
did.
They
just
wanted
to
be
sure
that
the
city
was
fine
with
them
being
around
town.
Public
Safety
is
totally
fine
with
it.
G
It's
totally
allowed
by
Florida
Statute
the
one
clause
in
the
statute.
That
is
the
reason
why
I'm
bringing
this
up
is
because
it
says
that
an
ordinance
may
be
enacted
if
we
want
to
ban
them
for
safety
reasons.
We
could
do
that
if
we
found
an
area
where
we
did
not
want
them
aloud,
we
could
do
that
by
city
ordinance,
so
I'm
hoping
we
all
want
them
around
town,
because
the
city
uses
one
to
read
the
meter.
So
it's
everybody,
okay
with
no,
not
like
that
name.
M
N
D
I'm,
fine
I
have
one
item
and
it
seems
like
this
was
a
heavy
bird
store
aisles
day
today,
but
bill
hughes
asked
me
to
mention
that
the
community
canal
advisory
committee
meetings
are
public
meetings
and
it
when
he
asked
me
that's.
It
highlighted
really
a
general
issue
that
we
have
in
communication,
and
that
is
that
we
have
residents
who
do
are
active
in
the
community
who
join
whether
it's
the
burn,
survivors,
association
or
p,
GI,
CA
or
other
organizations.
D
They
get
the
city's
weekly
report
via
one
of
us.
They
pay
attention
and
they
check
on
the
website
they
check
on
both
facebook,
page
or
whatever
the
social
media.
Maybe
we
also
have
other
residents
that
don't,
and
so
they
get
caught
off
guard
and
because
they
don't
they're
enjoying
life
in
our
paradise.
D
I
think
it's
the
best
way
to
put
it
they're,
having
a
good
time
here
and
and
all
of
a
sudden
something
happens
and
they're
like
they're
caught
off
guard,
and
so
it's
just
communication
and
keeping
our
public
inform
is
a
real
issue,
especially
for
those
people
that
don't
get
the
Sun
the
newspaper.
They
don't
have
a
Facebook
page.
They
don't
you
know
it's
and
Bill
one,
you
know
just
to
say.
Yes,
that
is
a
public
meeting.
D
D
B
H
Going
through
the
various
websites
of
the
different
property
owners,
associations
and
homeowners
associations
and
I
really
only
found
one
initially
that
had
access
to
prominent
access
to
the
weekly
highlight
report
and
that
happened
to
be
burn.
Store.
Aisles
association
that
was
posted
on
the
entry
page
that
it
was
available
for
Yuri
for
directly
through
to
the
city.
On.
H
Meadows,
they
had
access
to
it
through
either
the
mayor,
I
think
I
knew
as
well,
but
you
had
to
really
navigate
to
it
and
it
wasn't
really
accessible.
Those
were
the
only
two
that
I
found
that
had
the
weekly
highlight
report
in
a
prominent
place
on
their
websites,
and
I
spoke
to
karen
and
how
it
about
it
about
maybe
contacting
these
various
homeowners
groups
and
civic
associations
and
have
the
weekly
report
put
in
a
more
prominent
place
of
work
or
residents
can
have
you
know,
what's
going
on
and
not
having
to
really
search
out
information.
H
D
I
know
that
seminole
likes
distributes
my
newsletter
as
soon
as
I
send
it.
It
goes
to
every
property
owner
in
seminole
legs
so
that
that
does
get
broad
distribution.
I
also
know
that
someone
in
emerald
lake
now
and
we're
letting
you
know
I'm
real
lake,
that
is
it
emerald
know
it's
the
it's
that
it's
a
manufactured
home
community,
that's
east,
of
the
shopping
center,
where
pies
and
plates
was
wait.
I
D
D
But
the
issue,
though,
even
in
burnt,
store
aisles
the
fact
that
the
Association
has
it
on
their
website
and
I
distribute
it.
There
are
some
residents
who
don't
belong
to
the
either
the
birth
story,
ahs
association
or
a
burnt
store
else
boat
club
who
are
on
my
distribution
list.
But
there
are
many
who
aren't
and
it's
those
are
a
lot
of
the
people.
It's
an
example
when
the
Macedonia
sidewalk
issue
popped
up,
sixty-six
percent
of
the
residents
who
who
got
got
engaged
were
members
of
the
Association
out
of
50
54-56
residents,
but
a
third
fully.
D
B
B
G
That
and
and
the
Charlotte
son
has
entered
the
new
millennium
and
is
now
on
an
iPad
and
an
iphone.
They
have
an
app
now
so
I
don't
know
if
it's
subscription-based,
because
I
already
had
any
addition
in
the
subscription.
So
I'm
not
really
sure
but
right
now,
it's
not
so.
You
know
before
you
had
to
go
to
a
pc
or
a
desktop
or
you
couldn't
get
it
on
a
knife,
yeah
Apple
devices
or
Android
I,
don't
think
so
now
they
are
with
the
current
technology
took
a
while
a
long
while.
G
B
E
H
I
had
inquired
about
that
and
I
think
the
answer
that
I
got
back
was
two
thousand
a
little
over
2,000
people
have
signed
up
for
the
email,
their
utility
bills
and
I
think
that's
something
we
should
probably
discuss
going
forward
with
IT
and
see.
If
we
can,
we
can
incorporate
that
and
improve
it.
So
yeah.
C
Been
a
while
so
in
case
you
forgot,
number
eros
a
a
couple:
two
quick
items,
one
on
the
recycle
carts.
The
question
was:
if
you
have
cardboard
or
large
items,
how
does
that
state
get
handled
during
a
break?
I
talked
with
people
from
waste
management
and
they
said
you
can
continue
to
put
excess
next
to
the
cart
and
it
will
be
taken
out.
So
you
won't
lose
that
capability
and
we
will
have
a
link
on
the
punta
gorda
isles
website
directly.
C
C
The
commentator
is
like
three
or
four
weeks
go
by
the
time
you
get
it
for
news
that
it's
really
essential.
People
do
get
the
weekly
report
and
we
have
recommended
that
they
go
to
one
or
more
Council
persons,
and
it
has
to
be
added
to
their
list
that
it's
free
and
it's
really
interesting
to
see
the
different
cabinets
from
the
different
council
members
that
send
them
out.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
B
G
D
Have
one
other
comment
I
wanted
to?
Let
you
all
know
I
welcome
a
childhood
friend
of
mine.
It
was
we
lived
across
the
street
from
each
other
when
we
were
kids
in
Wilmington
Ohio
when
I
say
kids
like
five
years
old,
kids
and
Jim
gumley
sitting
here
in
the
front
and
he
popped
into
town
yesterday,
and
we
gave
him
a
tour
of
the
community
and
I
said
well.
We're
have
a
city
council
meeting
this
morning's
I'd
love
to
come
and
watch
the
council
meeting
and
so
Jim
is
here.
Welcome.
I
B
M
Take
you
over
oh
take
you
over
and
she
never
got
to
the
point
of
taking
me
over
so
I
ran
over
and
saw
a
little
kittens
mother
found
me
messing.
She
brought
me
back
and
let's
say
she
gave
me
my
first.
A
corporal
punishment
I
was
very
unhappy
with
that
she
was
getting
my
lunch
to
it.
We
had
coke
bottles
on
the
back
steps
and
I
perceived
to
throw
them
down
and
break
him
on
the
driveway.
M
I
got
more
corporal
punishment,
but
then
I
retaliated
and
I
ran
in
and
slam
the
cover
for
the
pantry
door
shut
owner
on
a
95-degree
afternoon,
and
there
was
no
inside
way
to
open
it.
When
my
dad
came
home
and
found
us
fortunately
early
that
afternoon,
she
parted
me
before
he
gave
me
my
real
discipline
and
I
don't
hold
that
against.
Nancy
I
eventually
got
to
see
the
kid
they
went
back
to
Springfield.
M
Both
in
district
and
region
at
the
highest
levels,
now
what
I
end
to
say
I
end
to
say,
with
all
of
this
her
dad
who
very
much
a
political
member
of
the
Republican
Party,
never
accepted
public
office,
but
he
and
her
mother
would
be
very
proud
of
Nancy
bishop
roethke
running
in
accepting
public
office
today
and
I
say
to
all
of
you
sitting
here
watching
you
today.
I
am
very
proud
and
pleased
to
see
the
civility
and
the
courtesies
and
the
efficiencies
that
you
show
here
as
City
Council
of
Punta
Gorda
Florida.
Thank.
K
A
rose
I
ever
be
noseby,
Steve,
Fabian
I
just
had
a
very
interesting
experience.
I
had
doing
some
research
on
a
project.
I
went
into
the
city
website
and
I
went
into
the
public
search
engine.
That
thing
is
fantastic:
it
really
is
great
I,
don't
know
how
many
people
use
it,
but
boy
I'll
tell
you.
If
you
want
some
information,
you
can
find
it
there.
Thank.
F
Good
morning,
bill
hughes,
I'm,
sorry
how
to
run
out
I,
don't
think
I'm
back
and
say:
Nancy
mentioned
before
that
we
have
an
underground
wiring
committee
and
some
people
are
saying
it's
all
secret.
It's
not
secret
if
he
belonged
to
the
associations
on
the
association's
website
telling
who's
on
the
committee
contact
information
and
what
we're
trying
to
do.
It's
no
secret.
So
somebody
comes
for
the
council.
The
future,
please
remind
you,
any
association.
Look
at
the
website.
Thank.
N
Cisco
PGI
I
just
want
to
thank
you,
because
I
really
really
think
that
the
low-speed
vehicles
are
going
to
be
the
wave
of
the
future.
They
reduce
our
carbon
footprint,
they're
fun
they're,
just
a
neat
little
way
to
get
around
town
in
in
load,
speed
areas
and
I'm
really
looking
forward
to
it.
So,
like
I
said
I'll
bring
one
and
you
can
take
a
spin
with
me,
sounds.