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From YouTube: Punta Gorda City Council 8 26 2015 Part 3
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Description
A
This
is
an
aerial
photograph
of
of
mines
that
are
a
long
prairie
creek
in
the
DeSoto
County
portion
of
prairie
creek,
and
each
one
of
these
black
squares
or
rectangles
is
a
a
mind,
pitt
lake
as
we
call
them.
These
are
former
mine
operations
that,
when
they're
done
what
results
is
basically
a
lake
and
that
sometimes
might
be
a
euphemism
there.
A
It's
a
whole
big
hole
in
the
ground
with
water
that
may
not
necessarily
be
good
quality,
but
nevertheless,
all
of
those
lakes
expose
the
surficial
aquifer
to
the
to
the
two
losses
due
to
evaporation
and
arm,
and
what
we
are
attempting
to
do
is
to
prevent
that
from
happening
to
the
two
shale
Creek,
to
the
extent
that
it
causes
a
problem
down
the
road
for
for
the
city.
This
is.
A
A
I
can't
see
it
here,
hopefully
on
your
monitor
is
better,
but
the
bottom
line
is
that
shale
Creek
is
the
mines
that
have
been
permitted
for
shale
Creek,
primarily
have
not
yet
been
under
construction.
There
are
a
few
and
there's
one
all
the
way
to
the
eastern
part
of
the
watershed,
where
there's
a
big
lake
that
shows
one
that
has
been
in
existence
for
quite
some
time,
but
most
of
the
shale
Creek
mines
have
not
begun
excavation.
A
If
they
have
it's
only
minimal
excavations,
and
so
you
know
what
we
have
is
an
opportunity
to
try
to
regulate
those
mines
from
going
too
far
in
terms
of
removing
water
from
the
surficial
aquifer
and,
and
so
with.
The
assistance
of
dr.
Kincaid
I
came
up
with
a
lumen
loss
to
tell
you
what
we're
talking
we're
talking
about,
based
on
evaporation
rates
that
are
locally
adjusted,
we're
talking
about
a
loss
of
approximately
3
million
gallons
of
water
per
day
as
a
result
of
evaporation
when
these
mines
are
built
up.
A
Compare
that
with
the
I
think
the
testimony
earlier
was
that
we
withdraw
3
to
4
million
gallons
of
water
per
day
for
drinking
water
supply.
So
almost
the
entire
amount
of
our
drinking
water
supplies
being
evaporated
potentially
by
the
lakes
upon
build-out
and
also
evaluated
the
flow
in
shale
Creek,
and
there
are
certain
times
of
the
year
when
the
flow
and
shale
Creek
is
is
minimal
to
non-existent
and
so
on.
A
We
have
a
Judy
ott
from
the
from
the
Charlotte
Harbor
national
estuary
program
is
going
to
be
a
witness
for
us
who's
going
to
be
testifying
about
how,
when
the
water
gets
down
to
where
it's
nothing,
the
quitters
struggle,
so
you've
got
to
try
to
maintain
some
degree
of
flow.
So
I
calculate
roughly
that
if
we
could,
if
we
could
get
the
minds
to
reduce
the
surface
area
of
their
ultimate
lakes
by
twenty-five
percent,
when
they're
done
that
might
result
in
enough
stream
flow
to
keep
that
least
some
water
flowing
to
to
shale
Creek.
A
A
First
with
the
miners
is
to
make
a
settlement
proposal
directly
to
the
County
Commission
and
force
the
County
Commission
to
consider
either
accepting
our
proposal
or
coming
back
with
a
counter
or
rejecting
up,
at
least
at
least
for
taking
a
formal
position
to
the
city,
to
the
County
Commission
and
asking
them
to
consider
that
position
and
I'm
not
sure
how
much.
Quite
frankly,
the
County
Commission
understands
what
what
this
problem
is
doing
to
shale
Creek
and
I.
A
This
is
a
provision
in
the
comprehensive
plan
that
is
directly
intended
to
protect
the
shale
Creek
and
prairie
creek
watershed
so
I'ma
blow
up
in
just
a
moment,
but
it
recognizes
the
importance
of
of
the
damn
it.
It
recognizes
the
importance
of
the
creeks
that
that
feed
water
to
the
dam
and-
and
so-
and
this
is
again
this
is
in
this
comprehensive
plan.
This
is
not.
A
There
should
be
a
mechanism
for
preventing
them
from
starting
now
because
of
because
of
these
prohibitions,
but
even
still,
even
if
the
county
feels
like
they
can
grandfather
these
older
mines
in
and
and
on
a
case-by-case
basis.
As
you
can
see
in
paragraph
2
f,
they
can
approve
these
some
of
these
mines,
even
in
the
area
of
that's
supposed
to
be
protected
by
that
half
mile
buffer
first
they're
required
to
show
that
it
will
have
no
negative
effect
on
the
quality
or
quantity
of
water
within
hendrickson
damn
well.
A
A
A
A
At
least
half
of
that
Lake
is
within
the
zone
where
there
should
be
an
absolute
prohibition
with
respect
to
these
mines
and
and
most
of
Lake,
one
is
clearly
within
a
half
mile
prohibition
of
lake
one
so
I
believe
that
that
simply
requiring
them
to
reduce
the
overall
square
footage
of
the
lake
area
for
each
of
the
mines,
because
it's
the
cumulative
impact
that
we're
concerned
about
and
I
want
to.
I
want
to.
A
It's
clear
from
my
review
of
the
permits
from
both
the
county
and
and
Swift
mud
that
all
they're
looking
at
is
the
direct
impact
of
the
individual
mind
and
and
in
the
words
of
the
counties
of
the
consultants,
on
behalf
of
the
mind
that
presented
their
report,
the
impacts
of
loss
of
water
due
to
evaporation
of
an
individual,
minus
de
minimis
and
that's
pretty
much
true
to
it-
depends
on
how
much
square
footage
of
lake
erie
they
have.
But
even
our
consultant
would
agree
with
that.
But
it's
not
the
individual
impact.
It's
the
compute!
A
It's
the
cumulative
impact
of
all
those
lakes
that
theoretically,
would
be
constructed
on
if
pursuant
the
permits
have
been
granted.
So
that's
why,
if
you
reduce
e
mine,
irrespective
of
how
big
it
was
to
twenty
five
percent,
ultimately,
the
cumulative
impact
of
all
those
minds
together
would
still
allow
for
some
water
to
be
flowing
to
shale
Creek.
Notwithstanding
the
evaporation,
David.
C
A
Of
every
mind
that
I
showed
you
in
that
yellow
weekend,
with
some
exception
that
were
outside
of
the
buffer
area.
All
of
those
all
of
those
mines
are
proposed
to
have
lakes.
Very
few
of
them
have
been
have
been
constructed
to
the
extent
that
we
saw
in
Soto
County,
for
example,
and
so
we're
not
seeing
much
impact
yet
to
the
quantity
of
water
or
reduction
quantity
of
water
to
shale
Creek,
because
the
mines
haven't
been
constructed,
and
that
was
one
of
the
arguments
unfortunate
that
their
consultants
made
was
theirs.
A
A
What
I'm,
asking
the
City
Council
to
do
is
to
authorize
the
mayor
to
send
a
letter
to
the
County
Commission,
asking
them
to
consider
the
language
that
we've
proposed
as
an
amendment
to
their
proposed
amendment
to
report,
so
that
any
mind
that
seeks
a
renewal
or
extension
would
be
required
to
reduce
the
amount
of
their
surface
area
of
the
lake
by
twenty
five
percent
and
that
no
permit
can
be
expanded
beyond
that
which
is
currently
permitted
to
increase
the
surface
area.
And
what
I
didn't
put
it
in
in
this
version,
but
certainly
would
be.
A
Okay
is
that
if
they
can
continue
to
dig
deeper
and
not
cause
any
environmental
impacts,
they
might
be
able
to
offset
the
loss
of
the
25-percent
surface
area
of
lake
by
deeper
work
on
it.
You
know
on
an
angle
below
the
surface
so
that
the
amount
of
sand
that
they're
able
to
extract
wouldn't
change,
but
just
the
resulting
surface
area
of
the
lake
would
be
reduced
so
that
less
water
would
be
evaporated
and-
and
on
top
of
that,
and
it's
very
important,
we
would
ask
that
that
the
County
Commission
consider
granting
a
continuance.
A
Postponing
the
hearing
that
set
for
September
11th
so
that
the
parties
have
an
opportunity
to
come
up
with
settlement
criteria.
25%
might
be
too
much.
Maybe
it's
something
less
than
twenty
five
percent,
maybe
there's
something
else
that
could
be
done,
but
we
have
not
had
an
opportunity
to
have
a
intelligent
discussion
about
how
can
this
be
resolved
now.
A
Let
me
also
suggest
that
I'm
not
proposing
a
settlement,
because
I
think
there's
any
weakness
to
our
case
and,
quite
in
part
of
me
says
I'd
like
to
go
forward
now
that
I've
had
all
the
discovery
and
saw
what
their
case
is.
I,
don't
believe
they
can
support
their
case,
but
our
burden
is
very
high.
You
never
know
what
the
judge
is
going
to
is
going
to
say
see
and
to
the
extent
that
we
can
save
considerable
amount
of
fun
legal
fees
and
costs.
I
would
hope
we
could
do
that.
A
And
I
will
say
to
you
that
before
all
is
said
and
done
just
to
get
to
the
end
of
the
of
this
particular
proceeding
were
looking
at
least
double
what
we
spent
so
far
and
if
the
if
the
county
and
or
the
mines
do
an
appeal,
then
it's
more
than
that.
So
hopefully
we
can
reach
a
settlement
that
would
protect
the
the
water
and
also
still
give
the
mine
miners
an
opportunity
to
get
something
out
of
their
investment.
But.
C
I
would
I
would
almost
challenge
the
attorneys
for
the
miners
that
they're
pushing
this
just
so
that
they
keep
increasing
their
tab.
I
mean
this
is
the
is
really
ridiculous
that
we're
not
being
able
to
come
to
some
conclusion.
I
also
I,
think
your
letter
is
good,
but
I'm
very
much
concerned
that
this
won't
be
sufficient
for
the
Commission
to
take
action.
I'm
wondering
whether
we
should
request
first
of
all,
a
postponement
of
the
hearing
date,
but
have
an
actual
face-to-face
meeting
with
our
commissioners
to
discuss
this
specific
issue
because
I
don't
think
they
understand.
C
I
agree
with
you.
It's
not
an
easy
issue
to
understand
and
they're
getting
pushed
back
from
the
minors.
You
know,
and
it's
not
yet
quote,
not
having
any
effect
on
our
water
when
we're
looking
at
again
down
the
pike-
and
this
is
not
just
punta
gorda-
this
is
Charlotte.
County
I
mean
this
there.
Yes,.
B
A
I
mean,
as
I
phrased
it
in
the
draft
letter.
These
are.
These
are
charlotte
county
residents
that
are
affected
by
their
impact
to
the
drinking
water
supply.
I,
you
know,
I
would
welcome
anything
that
we
can
do
to
bring
this
to
an
amicable
resolution.
I
think
if
you
you
need
to
do,
make
it
and
in
the
form
of
a
settlement
proposal,
so
that
they've,
so
that
they
are
obligated
at
least
to
discuss
it
and
respond,
even
if
they
reject
it.
A
At
least
they
have
to
take
time
to
do
that
and
and
couple
that,
with
a
continuum
continuation
of
the
hearings,
so
that
we
have
time
up
to
this
point
and
like
I
said,
I
got
a
call
from
the
county
attorney
that
they
are
pushing
very
hard
to
maintain
the
September
11th
day.
In
fact,
they
they
they
want
me
to
fly
in
our
expert
witness
so
that
they
can
oppose.
Take
his
deposition,
I
offer
to
make
the
witness
available
by
telephone
he's
based
in
in
nevada,
and
that
was
I
was
told.
That
was
unacceptable.
A
A
D
A
Nothing
secret
about
what
we're
going
to
present
it
hearing
and
that's
what
discovery
is
all
about.
So
they'll
see
what
we
have
I
have
no
problem.
You
know
making
making
our
presentation
in
an
abbreviated
fashion
to
the
commissioners
in
the
hope
that
they
may
not
have
understood
what
the
circumstances
are
or
what
our
concerns
are,
but
I'm
hoping
that
we're
not
to
now,
even
at
first.
E
Mean
we've
already
asked
for
a
joint
meeting
and
that
that
was
turned
down,
and
you
know
the
process
that
they've
gone
through
it,
particularly
on
the
expedit
expediting
of
the
hearing,
was
not
done
in
in
a
public
Commission
meeting
from
what
I
understand
it
was
a
polling
of
the
committee
shares
to
move
forward
on
that.
So
I
think
we
should
send
the
letter,
and
you
know
at
least
get
it
on
some
kind
of
public
agenda
and
if
we
can
work
with
them
to
get
this
meeting
set
up.
I
don't
know
where
it's
going
to
go.
B
A
Hope
that
that
by
the
mayor
and
city
council
asking
for
a
continuance
to
let
them
know
that
we
would
like
to
discuss
this
with
them.
That
the
first
thing
that
would
do
was
grant
a
continuance
and
that's
something
that
the
attorneys
can
do
as
long
as
the
committee
as
long
as
they're
directed
by
the
Commission
to
do
that.
I
know
that
I
believe
that
there
is
a
a
pre
agenda
meeting
of
the
County
Commission
on
September
third,
where
they
could
do
this
at
a
public
setting.
A
If
that
needed
to
be
done,
I
can't
I
can't
hold
off
preparation
and
because
there's
still
a
lot
of
work
to
be
done,
which
was
stopped
when
we
thought
we
were
going
to
be
sucked
down
trying
to
settle
this
case.
So
the
quicker
that
we
we
ask
for
a
continuance
and
get
the
County
Commission
to
understand,
at
least
to
grant
a
continuance
to
maintain
the
status
quo.
So
we
can
then
discuss
on
a
less
expedited
basis,
perhaps
so
that
they'll
have
an
opportunity.
We
would
have
an
opportunity
to
give
them
an
informed
presentation.
B
B
B
B
C
C
F
C
C
A
B
B
B
G
D
G
F
G
Yes
and
I
was
going
to
bring
that
up
at
the
next
meeting
because,
though
all
the
appointments
will
be
at
the
next
meeting,
so
I
think
that's
the
order
that
we
should
do
it
in
okay.
Thank
you
very
much,
okay
and
then
finally,
for
the
Board
of
Zoning
Appeals.
We
have
one
unexpired
term
and
six
eligible
applicants.
G
G
D
G
G
D
C
The
city
of
Punta
Gorda
has
been
invited
to
participate
in
symposium
on
meeting
market
demands.
Creating
walkable
urban
communities
I've
been
invited
to
participate
on
the
mayor's
panel
at
lunchtime,
and
we've
also
have
an
invitation
to
participate
on
a
shark
tank
in
which
our
city
manager
has
agreed
to
participate
on.
So
we
will
be
doing
that
and
that
date
is
October
15th.
So
that's
an
all-day
workshop.
Others
are
invited.
The
idea
is
to
bring
together
individuals
who
are
looking
to
develop
walkable
communities,
so
there
would
be
investors
there,
etc.
F
Also
yeah
could
I
just
get
a
comment
there
sure
when
I
got
the
phone
call
from
and
Pierce
about
it,
they
were.
She
was
really
really
complimentary
about
punta
gorda
and
the
things
that
we
have
done
since
since
10
years
ago,
11
11
years
ago,
since
our
in
our
recovery
and
she
said
that
community
communities
were
asking
to
be
a
part
of
the
shark
tank
and
she
said
we
want
punta
gorda
to
be
one
of
them
on
the
shark
tank.
C
G
F
F
F
Like
Mark
Cuban
and
those
kind
of
people-
and
they
present
their
idea
and
they
want
to
get
their
idea
of
funded
and
then
they
offer
them
a
stake
in
the
company.
For
you
know
a
percentage
of
the
company
in
exchange
for
their
their
money
and
their
expertise
and
and
they're
really
can
be
brutal
to
these
guys.
They
come
in
and
they
present
it
and
they
can
really
be
nasty.
But.
B
D
D
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O.O
a
talk
further,
mostly
what
they
they've
invited
people
from
all
over
the
country,
experts
in
in
creating
walkable
communities
and
what
they're
hoping
to
do
is
have
this
panel.
That
would
kind
of
like
a
shark
tank
idea
of
then
offering
suggestions.
I,
don't
know
if
there's,
but
the
southwest
florida
community
foundation
is
a
part
of
this.
So
I
don't
know
if
there's
any
money
behind
it,
but
I
certainly
would
be
nice.
I
would
certainly
ask.
C
Okay,
yes,
definitely
the
other
thing
is
invited
to
participate
with
the
tour
de
cure.
American,
Diabetes,
Association
and
I.
Think
I
sent
out
an
email
to
to
you
about
this,
but
basically
they
finally
have
the
details.
So
they
have
different
kind
of
again.
It's
a
bicycle
race,
route,
kind
of
thing
and
they're
asking
for
help
at
their
way
stations
and
the
rest
stops.
C
So
there
is
one
that
they've
asked
for
a
team
of
us
to
participate
in
or
whatever
so
I
will
send
information
out
to
you
and
anyone
else
that
might
be
interested
dissipating
and
maybe
we
could
put
the
actual
race
in
our
weekly
report
or
any
other
bicyclist
that
might
want
to
participate
and
I.
Think.
The
other
part
that
I
have
is
from
the
MPO
and.
C
That
just
had
a
meeting
on
Monday
and
obviously
we
recognized
our
former
mayor
baby
in
there
he's
recognized
very
nicely.
Then
we
also
talked
about
moving
burn
store
road
into
the
MPOs
project,
priority
list
for
FDOT-
I
think
you've
already
heard
about
that,
and
it's
been
included,
obviously
in
a
number
of
our
transportation
programs
and
keep
keep
pushing
it
up.
This
is
just
one
more
thing
that
you
might
be
able
to
do.
C
It's
particularly
important
because
we're
also
looking
at
federal
monies,
although
we
know
if
we
get
federal
funds,
it
delays
projects
so
just
kind
of
keep
pushing
it
in
any
way.
They
also
is
an
update
on
the
twenty
forty
long-range
transportation
costs
feasible
plain
looking
at
the
long
range
transportation
plan
for
2040,
it's
going
to
be
on
the
website
for
the
NPO.
There
is
a
public
comment
period
until
October
fifth,
when
the
MPO
meets
next.
So
if
anyone
is
interested,
please
take
a
look
go
on.
C
B
C
C
D
C
C
D
E
D
D
B
C
B
Peace,
river
wildlife.
How
would
an
I
met
on
friday
afternoon
with
the
chair
and
vice-chair
for
the
piece
of
wildlife
center
and
they
have
concluded
that
they
no
longer
want
to
negotiate
with
the
owner
and
they
have
asked
city
to
take
over
those
negotiations
and
should
counsel
desire
I'd
be
happy
to
work
with
staff?
I
can
tell
you
my
head.
I.
A
B
A
D
A
C
E
D
E
B
E
E
C
Okay,
thank
you
so
much.
Thank
you
anything
else
before
we
adjourn
I
need
to
to
take
notice
that
the
City
Council
of
the
City
of
Punta,
Gorda
Florida,
will
conduct
a
meeting
pursuant
to
section
4
47.6
05
florida
statutes
to
discuss
collective
bargaining
in
the
matter
of
the
International
Association
of
firefighters
negotiations
on
August
26,
which
is
today
immediately
following
the
regular
city
council
meeting.
C
This
meeting
will
take
place
in
the
third
floor
conference
room
city
hall
annex
here
at
this
address,
persons
in
attendance
will
include
the
city
council,
city
manager,
human
resources
manager,
finance
director,
fire
chief
and
fire
operations
chief
needed
just
to
give
notice
of
that
now.
There's
any
comments.