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From YouTube: City of Punta Gorda City Council 8-31-16 Part 2
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A
A
E
F
Think
it's
a
commercial
project,
I
mean
I,
don't
know
why
we
want
to
change
that
I
mean
as
juror
said,
I
mean
she
really
did
do
an
excellent
job
explaining
it
I.
Don't
want
to
open
that
Pandora's
box.
I
mean
this
is
a
commercial
endeavor.
It
is
in
everything
it
is
commercial
and
I.
Don't
know
why
we're
trying
to
change
it
to
fit
into
something
residential.
It's
not
residential,
antique.
G
I
completely
agree,
I've
thought
about
this
and
I
what
if
we
had
of
a
residential
hotel
that
people
could
stay
in
for
months
on
end
and
they
do.
It
would
be
no
different,
except
that
this
one
is
RVs.
You
know
and
I'm
not
willing
to
open
I,
don't
think
we
are.
We
want
to
open
as
Jared
put
at
the
Pandora's
box
and
and
allow
our
impact
fees
to
be
have
a
complete
list
of
is
once
we
start
it.
G
H
When
we
discussed
this
the
last
time,
I
was
looking
for
a
word
that
we
could
use.
It
would
be
the
test
and
I
tried
to
bring
up
mail,
didn't
realize
that
that
wasn't
enough,
but
there's
one
word
that
comes
up
twice
or
several
times
in
this
and
that's
the
word
transient
and
hotels
are
transient.
Hotels,
I
think
this
really
needs
to
be
treated
the
same
way.
H
I
think
I
can
check
into
a
residence
inn
and
actually
have
in
my
career
in
state
three
or
four
months
because
of
a
job
to
do,
and
that
was
up
a
residence
inn
and
it
was
a
transient
thing.
It
wasn't
a
permanent
and
there
I
can
even
receive
mail
actually
so
wrong.
I
think
the
key
word
here.
The
test
that
I
was
looking
for
when
we
discussed
his
last
night
is
the
word
transient.
So
I'm
inclined
to
let
it
weigh
as
a
commercial
property.
I
J
E
C
The
comments
I
received
were
somewhat
all
over
the
board,
didn't
get
really
a
definitive
direction,
which
is
why
it's
back
as
a
discussion
item
when
you
go
through
the
actual
ordinance
for
the
mobile
food
dispensing
vehicles,
we
start
with
the
definitions,
which
are
all
pretty
straightforward
when
we
get
into
the
requirement.
Sections
first
requirement
is
proof
of
the
valid
license
from
the
state
of
Florida.
You
know
that
they
can
operate,
that
they've
gone
through
the
health
department
and
things
that
are
required.
C
Staff
would
be
inclined
to
think
that
we
should
have
that
submitted
as
part
of
an
application.
The
second
part
is
a
site
plan.
This
became
somewhat
controversial
yesterday.
I
had
the
opportunity
to
meet
with
Patti
Allen
and
the
fire
marshal
to
look
at
possible
mobile
bending
and
something
that
I
was
not
aware
of.
Is
that
for
any
of
the
mobile
vendors
that
cook
they
have
propane
propane?
C
Has
a
separation
requirement
from
any
point
of
ignition
or
opening,
so
a
site
plan
would
actually
be
a
very
certain
public
safety
issue
that
would
need
to
be
a
technical
review
by
staff
to
ensure
that
we
are
creating
a
public
safety
issue,
the
notarized
affidavit
from
the
property
owner.
There
was
objection
to
requiring
that
to
be
notarized
without
the
notarizing.
We
don't
know
who
signed
it.
We
don't
know
where
it
came
from.
C
The
affidavit
basically
puts
the
owner
on
notice
that
they
are
going
to
allow
the
mobile
vendor
its
employees
and
customers
to
access
to
the
bathroom
facilities
and
that
they
will
also
you
know
if
they
have
trash
that
will
be
up
to
the
property
owner
or
business
owner
to
allow
them
to
dispose
of
it.
There.
C
E
C
The
make
model
year,
the
peach,
mobile
food
dispensing
vehicle
that
that
is
kind
of
a
standard.
Some
of
the
municipalities
asking
for
menus
that
might
and
the
purpose
for
that
is
possibly
to
determine
if
they
will
be
cooking
and
whether
there's
an
issue
with
propane
or
not
also
the
something
that
ours
does
not
contain,
which
probably
should
is
disposable
of
any
gray
water
or
used
grease.
C
C
C
You
know
if
one
owner
gave
a
vendor
authority
to
be
on
there
if
they
sell
the
property,
the
new
owner
would
need
to
also
authorize
them
to
be
on
their
their
property.
Under
the
food
dispensing
vehicle
operating
standards.
There
was
a
list,
and
some
of
it
is
a
little
bit
repetitive
from
the
prior
session
section,
because
we
again
we
go
back
to
the
state
issued
license
requirement
that
is
listed
there.
We
say
that
the
local
business
tax
receipt
be
displayed,
prominently,
displayed.
C
C
C
C
One
that
has
been
questioned
is
the
use
of
sound
equipment
bells
or
other
devices
that
produce
sound,
which
is
audible
outside
of
a
mobile
home.
Dispensing
vehicle
shall
be
prohibited
that
is
prohibited
in
general
and
chapter
14
of
the
city
code.
To
allow
for
mobile
bending
would
be
an
exception
to
what
is
say
cited
in
chapter
14
of
the
city's
Code
of
Ordinances.
C
We
do
not
allow
mobile
fending
vehicles
on
the
public
right
away
unless
there
was
express
permission,
ie
special
exception,
special
event,
especially
event
type
of
thing
going
on.
You
know,
in
those
instances
yeah
they're
part
of
a
group
they
may
be
on.
The
may
have
been
approved
on
a
public
right
away,
but
otherwise
our
ordinance
would
not
allow
somebody
to
just
pull
up
to
a
curb
and
set
up
on
a
street
corner
to
operate
and
some
of
our
verge
dunnedin.
C
C
We
define
when
they
are
not
actively
conducting
business
for
them
to
remove
the
vehicle
from
the
site,
the
one
area
that
would
absolutely
need
to
be
amended
as
the
signage
when
this
was
drafted,
we
just
kind
of
copied
what
was
allowed
for
the
vending
carts
and
and
the
parks
that
predates
the
mobile
vending
trucks
that
are
entirely
wrapped
in
signage
and
really
as
the
vehicle
to
sign
so
maybe
signage
other
than
what
is
already
on.
The
behavior
would
be
limited
to
one
portable
a-frame
sign
now.
C
So
many
feet
of
of
the
site.
One
question
was
the
users
and
a
temporary
tents,
canopies
or
other
shade
structures
in
conjunction
with
it,
the
code
currently
wouldn't
allow
them
to
put
up
temporary
shade
structures,
additional
chairs
tables
or
anything
else.
The
concept
of
a
mobile
food
vending
business
is
that
you
get
woke
up
customers
and
they
take
the
food
and
go
it's
kind
of
a
takeout.
It's
not
a
sit-down
roof.
We're.
E
G
C
So
if
you
did
it
on
a
regular
basis,
they
a
mobile
bender,
had
a
regular
agreement
with
a
business
that
they
SAT
up
there
every
day
and
they
went
out
there
every
day
and
put
up
a
couple
of
10
by
tens.
Then
that's
going
to
fly
in
the
face
of
everything
else
in
the
code
where
we
do
not
allow
any
temporary,
canopies
or
tents.
E
C
Yeah,
we
do
not
allow
them
to
sell
alcoholic
beverages,
that's
pretty
much
regulated
by
the
state
in
order
for
somebody
to
do
that,
they
would
need
a
catering
license
for
their
alcoholic
beverage.
That's
usually
very
specific,
there's
a
couple
of
them
in
town
that
do
have
that
catering
license
that
they
can
their
license.
C
Everidge
license
travels
with
them
wherever
they
set
up,
and
we
say
it's
unlawful
to
operate
unless
you're
in
compliance
with
this
section,
and
that's
pretty
much
what
our
says
from
staffs
perspective,
we
actually
we
would
like
to
change
the
signage
portion
and
clarify
on
the
site
plan.
We
need
to
ask
about
the
propane
and
we
need
to
ask
how
they
would
be
disposing
at
the
gray,
water
or
briefs.
C
E
In
this
situation
that
you
spoke
about,
were
you
able
to
find
an
area
where
this
would
work?
Yes,
okay,
I
mean
I,
guess
that's
the
balance
that
we're
trying
to
achieve
here,
which
I,
don't
you
know,
everybody's
all
over
the
board,
with
their
different
parameters
for
their
food
trucks.
But
this
is
kind
of
a
new
we're
trying
to
get
this
started
again
because
there
was
pushed
back,
and
now
everybody
was
okay
with
it.
E
So
now
we're
back
on
track
and
I
I
mean
I
would
like
to
see
us
keep
these
until
we
know
that
we're
really
restricting
somebody
with
these
parameters.
I
think
most
of
it
makes
a
lot
of
sense
because
we
want
to
know
who's
out
there,
who's
conducting
business,
how
they're
conducting
business
and
that
they're
not
creating
any
kind
of
safety,
and
we,
you
know,
we
definitely
want
them
on
developed
property,
which
I
think
is
the
best
solution.
Kim
yeah.
E
The
only
one
thing
to
that
I
know
the
the
gentleman
that
was
here
with
the
icy
truck
who's
fabulous
I
mean
he
does
have
music,
that
he
plays
kind
of
like
an
ice
cream
truck
type
of
thing.
It's
part
of
the
whole
motif,
so
I,
don't
know
how
we
could
allow
for
that.
If
it's
not
something,
that's
totally.
F
G
C
C
That
was
the
big
hurdle
it
you
know,
wasn't
so
much
the
other
things
that
anybody
you
know
from
the
mobile
vending
community
was
was
concerned
with
it
was
that
application
fee,
which
brings
us
back
to
the
point
that
the
council
will
need
to
set
whatever
the
application
fee
is
going
to
be,
because
we
will
have
to
bring
that
back
by
a
resolution
to
establish
a
feat
given
the
our
current
fees
staff.
Staffs
recommendation
would
be
a
one-time
two
hundred
fifty
dollar
application
fee.
C
E
If
they're
a
standalone
business
with
just
the
food
truck,
this,
maybe
Karen
Smith
question
what
what
will
their
local
business?
What
would
they
be
classified
under?
We
know
like
what?
What
are
they
going
to
be
paying
if
they're
coming
into
the
city
brand
new?
There
are
new
business,
they
want
to
start
a
food
truck.
What
will
they
be
charged
for
LBT
ezza.
B
C
H
H
J
You
two
points
I
wanted
to
make,
one
of
which
has
already
been
sort
of
addressed
when
we
first
unprepared
the
original
ordinance
and
the
research
we
did
at
that
time.
You'd
be
amazed
how
detailed
many
of
the
ordinances
are
with
Rick
with
regulations
and
trust
me
when
I
tell
you.
Ours
is
as
simple
as
we
thought
we
could
make
it,
and
the
second
point
addresses
Terry's
comments
regarding
redundancy.
J
The
one
side
of
requirements
as
it
relates
to
what
needs
to
go
in
through
an
application
is
sort
of
a
administrative
side
of
the
ordinance,
but
in
order
to
enforce
violations,
they
need
to
be
set
out
separately
so
that,
if
something
isn't
done,
we
can
address
it
as
a
requirement
in
the
coordinate.
So
there
is
a
some
redundancy
there,
but
its
necessary
for
enforcement.
E
E
K
A
E
E
L
As
listed
on
the
on
the
slide,
we
have
Gilcrest
park,
hard,
walk
west
Gilchrist
park,
restroom
and
playground
facility,
as
are
co-located
along
with
harborwalk
West
at
us,
41
southbound
underpass,
that's
cross
street.
All
those
three
projects
occur
in
our
about
Gilchrist
Park,
the
fourth
project,
harborwalk
East,
behind
the
justice
center-
that
is
a
small
boardwalk,
widening
improvement.
So
those
four
projects
are
kicking
off
the
first
one
in
September
and
the
other
three.
Hopefully
all
go
in
October
so
beginning
at
that
time
and
we'll
need
to
make
closures
to
the
harbor
water.
E
L
L
So
for
Gilcrest
park,
this
is
area
one
the
playground
and
the
underpass.
The
detour
will
be
from
essentially
mcgregor
street
down
to
marion
avenue
and
then
up
marion
avenue
to
Taillow
Street.
The
length
of
that
closure
is
due
to
the
construction
locations.
There
won't
be
access
beyond
the
event
center,
and
this
is
the
closest
point
where
we
can
get
to
traffic
signals
so
that
we
can
cross
safely
on
US
41
southbound.
L
The
area
of
longest
construction
will,
of
course,
be
area
1
after
we
get
the
other
two
projects
underway.
There
will
be
some
minor
changes
to
that
detour,
but
by
and
large,
if
you're,
trying
to
walk
from
the
hospital
to
Fisherman's
Village
you're
going
to
need
to
follow
that
route
for
the
duration
of
the
area,
1
construction.
L
L
In
addition,
one
complicating
factor
is
if
you're
trapped,
if
you're
a
pedestrian,
traveling,
north
or
south,
bound
on
US
41
cross
street,
there's
an
access
staircase
that
leads
you
down
to
harbor
walk,
that's
not
an
ATA
accessible
route,
but
is
an
existing
facility.
We
will
need
to
have
some
signage
there
and
we
will
also
need
to
have
informational
signage
on
US
41,
notifying
those
pedestrians
that
they
can't
access.
L
A
K
L
Starting
point
will
be
when
construction
commences
we're
hoping
that
that
is
in
October.
It
may
slide
to
November,
depending
on
the
timing
of
the
contractor,
that
contract
hasn't
been
awarded.
Yet
the
end
point
we're
projecting
will
be
December
of
17
depending
again
on
the
contractor,
their
timing.
We
may
have
to
request
an
extension
of
that
grant
project
grant
funded
project
so
now
we'll
know
before
december
17.
If
we
need
to
request
that
extension,
how
far
out
it
will
need
to
go
based
on
the
project
status
at
that
time,
but
until
december
of
17.
L
H
F
H
H
We've
talked
in
terms
and
we're
doing
this
I
think
is
on
Coronado
with
the
sharrows.
Then
maybe
we
could
have
a
share
of
going
on
Reata
one
way
and
marrying
the
other
way
for
the
bicycle,
as
Mary
is
a
four
lane
road,
and
if
you
took
the
right
lane
and
made
it
a
share
on,
then
you
made
rieta,
which
is
typically
not
as
quite
as
busy.
I
don't
know.
K
F
A
E
E
Whenever
I
go
to
port
charlotte
every
time,
I
go
to
Port
Charlotte,
there's
always
somebody
riding
their
bike
and
I
know
the
sheriff's
office
tickets
them
heavy
for
that.
So
you
have
to
make
sure
that
people
understand
these.
It's
are
in
the
road.
They
need
to
be
riding
with
the
full
of
trap.
Current
license
very
basic.
A
The
good
news
is
that
we're
doing
them
all
at
once
are
it's
very
closely
knit
together
we'll
be
able
to
have
our
staff
there
inspecting
the
work
closely
knit
together
and
some
projects
will
be
getting
done
earlier
than
others,
and
the
good
news
is
that
we
have
them
all
funded
based
on
our
projections.
We
don't
have
the
bids
back,
yet
it's
all
gonna
be
done.
Life
will
be
greater.
F
L
Yes,
Pokemon:
go
players
will
be
frustrated
by
their
inability
to
get
to
the
site,
but
construction
site
safety
will
be
paramount.
This
final
slide
here
that
I
wanted
to
show
you
is
the
boardwalk
widening.
This
detour
route
is
from
Harbor
walk
east,
taking
you
down
Marian
into
Nesbitt
and
up
into
the
park
that
secondary
detour
route
in
the
park.
That's
to
get
people
from
this
point
safely,
back
down
to
the
detour
route.
L
This
portion
of
the
harborwalk
will
be
open
to
local
traffic,
so
the
people
using
the
condos
will
be
able
to
access
the
harborwalk,
but
there's
no
accessible
route
from
this
existing
harborwalk
sidewalk
up
on
to
let
Esplanade
or
to
the
connecting
sidewalk
network
in
the
city.
So
it's
it's
not
that
the
designated
detour
route,
which.
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E
F
L
E
I
A
F
A
A
L
My
last
contact
with
the
with
the
friends
of
the
go
cross
park
playground
was
that
they
were
rapidly
approaching
their
goal.
I
believe
they're
still
short
on
collections,
but
their
goal
was
one
hundred
thousand
dollars,
which
is
a
phenomenal
amount
of
money
to
raise
in
a
community.
This
small
in
just
a
couple
of
months,
so
they've
done
a
fantastic
job,
regardless
of
where
they
end
up.
But
if
anybody
wants
to.
E
L
L
L
F
You
know
this
is
really
going
to
be
bad.
We've
done
so
much
work
there
that
people
don't
really
realize
I
mean
this.
Is
you
know
the
downtown
flooding
bet
went
on
for
a
year
really,
and
that
was
all
closed
and
noisy
at
all
that
kind
of
stuff,
but
because
it
wasn't,
and
that
was
there
and
everything
was
closed.
There
was
really
no
light
at
the
end
of
that
tunnel.
F
F
A
K
G
A
On
schedule
so
that
the
next
council
meeting
will
have
on
spark
we
design
contract
on
the
agenda
we
may
or
may
not
have
the
West
Henry
development
on
the
next
agenda
depends
on
what
we
hear
back
from
the
then
they
get
the
push
back
later
and
then
at
50
1
p.m.
on
September.
Seventh,
remember:
we
have
our
first
budget
public
hearing,
so,
okay.
J
E
B
Yes,
under
boards
and
committees
under
vacancies,
we
have
one
unexpended
Isles
canal
advisory
committee
and
they
continuing
vacancies
for
one
experiment:
ility
advisory
board
under
nominations.
We
actually
have
three
items.
The
items
that
were
listed
under
appointments
really
should
have
been
included
under
nominations,
hope
that
doesn't
allows
any
confusion,
but
we're
not
making
a
point
in
any
appointments.
Today.
Okay,.
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B
E
B
E
D
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K
K
A
M
Good
morning,
patty
Allen
general
manager,
Fisherman's
Village
Howard
I'd,
like
to
tell
you
a
little
bit
about
your
staff
that
works
for
you.
As
you
all
know,
we
just
completed
our
major
project
in
center
court
and
Scotty's
rebuild
not
one
time
during
the
whole
process,
and
then
there
were
struggles.
Did
any
of
your
staff
give
us
a
hard
time
on
anything.
I
want
to
call
out
Randy
Cole,
Smitty
Terry
Jen
Mullen.
Are
everybody
on
your
staff
has
done
an
incredible
job
when
we
were
faced
with
problems,
they
found
solutions
for
us
and
I.
M
Hopefully,
I
didn't
miss
I'm
sure
I
missed
people,
but
everyone
has
been
just
incredible
during
this
process
and
even
yesterday
talking
to
Terry
and
bring
in
gen
over,
it's
never
a
problem
for
them
to
come
over
and
help
it
never
is
a
problem,
and
that
goes
to
your
leadership.
All
of
our
leadership
in
the
wonderful
place
that
we
live
in.
So
I
just
wanted
to
publicly
say
thank
you
very
much
for
having
a
great
staff,
because
it
makes
my
job
a
lot
easier.
Thank
you.
N
Kiran
turnbull
punta
gorda
isles.
Thank
you
for
your
time
and
patience.
As
we
know,
the
punta
gorda
isles
city,
seawall,
maintenance
fee
is
eighteen
dollars
and
fifty
cents
per
foot
for
people
with
a
30-foot
sea
wall
and
two
dollars
and
seventy-five
cents
per
foot
for
properties
with
200
feet
of
sea
wall.
It
quite
a
large
discrepancy.
Past
weekend,
an
online
conversation
took
place
among
Birds
store
and
PGI
property
owners
and
I
just
like
to
share
a
few
of
the
comments
that
were
posted.
N
N
We've
you
see,
while
maintenance
like
roads,
curbs
schools,
etc,
houses
are
taxed
by
their
value
size
and
lot
size.
Why
not
waterfront
the
seawall
fee
system
has
been
a
concern
for
40
years.
As
we
all
know,
every
year
citizens
bring
forward
this
concern
and
city
officials
expend
time
and
resources
fielding
this
concern.
Each
time
the
seawall
fee
is
increased,
the
discrepancy
among
lot
size
and
fee
grows
becoming
more
obvious
to
citizens.
N
N
This
concern
will
continue
to
be
an
issue
on
a
yearly
basis.
Until
the
fee
system
is
corrected,
a
move
to
a
more
equitable
fee
system
would
benefit
current
and
future
property
owners
and
the
City
Council
action
on
this
issue
would
enhance
the
community's
perception
of
city
government
by
demonstrating
an
interest
in
equity
among
property
owners,
as
well
as
responsiveness
to
their
concerns
in
the
best
interest
of
current
and
future
Burt
store
and
PGI
property
owners
and
the
city,
please
consider
moving
the
seawall
fee
to
an
ad
valorem
tax
or
to
another,
more
equitable
assessment
system.