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From YouTube: City Council Meeting 9-20-17 Part 4
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A
That
was
like
a
community
that
you
said
you
all
came
here
for
and
so
I
urge
you
to
vote
to
make
us
multi-generational
again.
I'm
72,
so
I'm
part
of
the
the
elderly
group,
but
I'd
love
to
see
young
faces.
I
want
us
again
to
be
the
community
that
you
say
you
moved
here
for
and
so
I
asked
you
to
consider
making
us
again,
not
a
Sun
City,
but
a
city
Ponta
Gorda
like
the
old
fishing
community,
the
community
that
came
together
that
was
united
and
not
separated.
Thank
you.
B
My
name
is
Sarah
Smith
and
I
have
been
sworn
and
I
have
lived
in
Punta
Gorda,
since
1998
and
I
have
come
to
speak
on
this
issue
before
this
council
now.
This
is
the
third
time
we
moved
here,
knowing
that
that
property
was
owned.
Single-Family
all
of
us
that
bought
our
property
built
our
homes
relied
on
that
we
feel
like
it's
a
contract.
It
is
commitment,
you
are
our
elected
officials
and
we
look
to
you
to
fulfill
that
commitment.
B
B
C
Randy
Thomas
I've
been
sworn,
and
my
wife
and
I
just
purchased
a
home
here
in
Punta
Gorda
in
April,
and
we
are
back
for
a
couple
of
weeks
to
try
to
fill
it
with
furniture
and
things
like
that.
One
of
the
reasons
we
picked
Ponte
Gorda
is
because
it's
about
the
size
of
a
city
back
in
Wisconsin,
where
I
have
my
summer
home
that
was
Sturgeon
Bay
about
9,000
people.
What
I
liked
about
Ponte
Gorda
rather
than
going
to
Fort
Myer
or
some
other
of
the
bigger
cities,
as
they
drove
right
by
us.
C
It's
small,
it's
easy
to
get
around
and
I'm,
not
saying
I'm
old,
but
I
do
like.
You
know
the
traffic
patterns
where
you
can
get
around
and
not
worry
about
someone
cutting
you
off
in
town
like
they
do
on
the
highway
170
I
75,
so
I
really
didn't
prepare
anything.
I
I
think
that
development
is
good,
but
Ponte
Gorda
doesn't
have
high
rises,
but
when
you
start
building
condos
they're
high-rises
that
are
spread
out,
no
they're
not
high,
but
they
are
still
there.
C
Aqui
esta
is
pretty
busy
already
and
the
traffic
is
pretty
fast,
and
so
maybe
the
City
Council
needs
to
look
at
widening
that
Street,
regardless
of
what
happens
to
this
property,
but
I
picked
Ponte
Gorda
to
retire
it
and
I'm,
hoping
that
it
stays
that
quaint
little
place,
that
I
thought
it
was
when
I
purchased.
Thank
you.
D
E
My
name
is
Mike
gage
I,
recently
moved
to
Punta
Gorda
from
Naples
I,
also
kind
of
gravitated
towards
the
small
town
feel
my
family.
There,
Canadian
snowbirds,
so
I
got
I,
get
the
perspective
up
north
and
I
kind
of
want
to
tell
you
about
Brockville
Ontario,
that's
another
small
town,
community,
similar
demographics
and
like
Quinta
Gorda.
E
They
had
something
special,
they
really
tried
to
protect
it
and
they
wanted
to
limit
development
when
you
walk
down
Main
Street
now
it's
depressing
there's
one
out
of
every
five
businesses
that
are
still
open,
they've
lost
their
identity,
they
tried
to
shield
themselves
and
they
they
lost
it
all.
Now.
The
only
thing
you
can
recognize
is
the
Walmart,
the
TGI
Fridays,
the
Chili's.
E
They
tried
to
stem
all
development,
and
now
it's
just
a
drive-by
town
I,
don't
want
to
see
that
happen
to
Punta
Gorda
I
moved
here,
because
you
know
there
is
something
special
there's
an
identity
here
that
we
need
to
protect.
But
in
order
to
protect
it,
you
need
to
foster
a
healthy
amount
of
sustainable
growth,
not
just
shut
down
everything.
So
I
encourage
Council
to
support
the
development
of
the
IKEA.
Stop
travelling.
F
How
are
you
go
over
I?
Had
this
horn
I
love
hearing
what
young
people
like
this
have
to
say
and
yes,
the
council
does
have
a
responsibility
of
the
community.
The
council
has
the
responsibility
to
the
entire
community,
not
just
a
segment
of
the
community
that
lives
in
PGI
or
in
this
particular
neighborhood
that
may
be
affected
or
tangent
to
this
development.
The
councillors
responsibility,
I,
don't
need
to
tell
you
because
I've
been
up
there,
also
your
responsibility
to
do
what's
best
for
the
overall
health
wealth
in
the
future
of
the
city.
F
This
development
meets
that
criteria
I'm
stunned
by
people
who,
when
we
have
our
city
staff
and
sworn
testimony
of
experts
say
these
are
the
facts.
This
is
the
comprehensive
plan.
This
is
the
future
land
use
map.
This
project
meets
this
criteria,
yet
there
are
those
who
disagree
with
that.
I
mean.
How
do
you
disagree
with
the
facts?
F
You
know
don't
bother
me
with
the
facts.
I
know
what
I
want
to
believe
and
I.
Don't
want
confuse
me
with
the
facts,
I'm,
sorry
to
say
that
I
mean
insult
anyone,
but
you
know
it's
it's
a
dilemma.
We
have
a
responsibility
to
support
our
city.
Goodness
knows
how
much
it's
going
to
cost
our
city
in
our
city,
government
and
our
and
our
city
residents
to
pay
for
what
has
happened
and
Absa
hurricane
tore
up
with
the
canals
and
the
sea
walls.
Our
budget,
understandably,
is
not
all
that
healthy.
F
We
continue
to
draw
in
our
reserves
to
put
into
our
budget.
That's
not
a
healthy
budget
and
it's
not
a
healthy
City.
We
need
to
take
that
into
consideration
the
taxes,
the
revenues
and
everything
that
will
come
with
this
development
with
the
construction
and
people
who
were
moved
here
over
time
is
going
to
be
healthy
for
our
city.
Yes,
we
want
to
maintain
it
as
a
quaint
little
charming,
there's
nothing
in
this
development
that
violates
that
that
desire
in
that
interest
and
I
encourage
you
to
support
it.
Thank
you.
Thank.
D
H
A
G
Do
change
is
hard
and
I
think
a
lot
of
people
just
stick
to
that
I've
wall
being
very
young
I've
experienced
change
in
many
levels,
I
moved
from
very
large
city
to
very
small
city
where
I
graduated
with
30
people
in
my
class
and
then
I
had
the
honor
of
moving
to
Punta
Gorda.
While
I
took
a
little
bit
of
adapting
I've,
adapted
and
I.
Think
a
lot
of
people
are
scared
to
adapt
by
nature.
G
We
are
adaptable,
it
doesn't
matter
what's
thrown
our
way,
just
like
I
stores,
I
hear
about
her
can
Charlie
be
all
adapted.
We
all
came
together
just
like
we
did
this
past
week.
I
have
got
an
experience,
the
best
and
selfless
people
this
past
week
and
how
to
come
together
and
it
all
comes
from
the
small
town.
However,
I
also
think
this
town
thrives
of
talent
and
passion
and
different
generations.
G
I
J
D
J
I
Okay,
so
I
have
a
question
in
regard
to
the
word
scale
at
our
last
in
November,
I
brought
up
the
issue
of
particularly
at
the
perimeter
where
we
have
Buttonwood
village
and
we
have
the
manufactured
homes,
and
then
we
have
a
three-story
over-over
parking
and
I
realized.
There
is
a
what
it
looks
like
a
buffer,
I
guess.
I
I
K
Glad
that
you
brought
that
up,
I,
remember
the
discussion
about
scale.
Part
of
that
was
because
the
buildings
that
were
proposed
in
last
PD
were
considerably
larger
than
these
buildings.
They
were
the
same
height,
but
they
were
considerably
larger.
These
buildings
meet
your
code
and,
in
fact,
are
consistent
with
some
of
the
larger
buildings.
This
is
an
actual
Google
Earth
photo.
K
So
you
see
in
terms
of
like
the
the
building
here
and
if
you
can
see
over
there
as
well,
there
there
the
same
length
you
get
because
we've
superimposed
our
buildings,
you
don't
completely
get
the
the
apples-to-apples,
but
it's
pretty
darn
close
one
of
the
things
that
we
are
looking
to
do.
As
we
said.
As
you
look
at
the
site
plan,
you
can
see-
and
you
can
see
it
better
here
than
when
you
when
I
show
you
the
line.
Drawing
you
can
see
that
we've
left
significant
green
space.
There
is
already
existing
vegetation.
K
The
existing
visited
vegetation
that
are
not
exotics
because
we
are
required
to
remove
exotics
will
remain.
We
will
supplement
that
with
with
with
additional
trees,
the
idea
being
to
create
that
buffer.
Similarly,
you
have
the
green
space
here
again,
it's
a
long
way
from
the
single-family
till
you
get
to
the
buildings
that
are
over
here,
the
lake,
the
green
space
additional
landscaping
all
intended
to
create
that
buffer.
K
You
we
intend
to
leave
an
on
site
plan,
shows
vegetation
and
a
buffer
that
will
be
planted.
In
addition,
behind
the
mangoes
mangoes
have
to
remain
mangoes
grow.
You
know
they
have
to
remain
behind
that.
We
will
place
some
additional
vegetation.
It's
not
going
to
cover
me.
It's
a
three
story
of
a
parking
building.
It's
not
going
to
cover
it,
but
we're
not
as
concerned
and
I
know.
K
This
is
a
concern
for
those
that
live
in
the
condominiums,
but
from
a
compatibility
standpoint
along
this
location,
you
have
condominiums
adjacent
to
condominiums
and
the
scale
and
the
height
and
the
size
of
the
buildings
are
identical
to
what
is
permitted
on
the
there
and
identical
to
many
of
the
not
all
of
them.
You
have
some
smaller
and
two-story
buildings
there
and
I
recognize
that,
but
you
have
a
mix-
and
this
is
consistent
with
the
some
of
the
buildings
that
you
have
here
along
with
the
single-family
here.
K
The
sing
of
families
I
showed
in
the
earlier
slide,
looks
out
either
all
the
single-family
either
looks
at
an
existing
buffer,
where
those
mangroves,
as
testimony
was
presented,
grow
to
30
to
40
feet.
The
only
difference
the
only
exception
to
that
would
be
those
here
who
look
out
over
over
a
boat
basin
and
then
beyond
the
boat
basin
to
a
significant
green
area.
Much
of
it
preserve
again
existing
vegetation
and
those
mangroves
that
grow
to
a
height
before
you
get
to
the
the
condominiums
there.
K
So
we
think
that
the
site
plan
is
taken
into
account
where
we're
adjacent
to
single-family.
We
have
moved
the
buildings
as
much
as
possible,
tuck
them
in
utilize,
the
existing
vegetation
to
buffer
them,
where
there
wasn't
the
the
large
preserved.
We
have
created
areas
again
because
of
the
angle
that
you
see
here.
This
is
all
the
area
that
was
left
it's
where
the
the
nest
was.
That
was
never
verified
as
an
eagle,
but
we
left
the
300
foot
diameter
around
it
and
in
case
of
that,
so
you
have
that
large
green
area.
K
L
Just
a
quick
question
be
clear:
mr.
Hamilton
brought
up
the
case
that
there
would
probably
be
some
sea
Larson
for
the
doctor
facility,
not
for
the
others,
and
that
we
I
have
a
mission
here:
you're
not
going
to
really
be
pushing
a
dirt
for
at
least
18
months.
So
I
would
assume
that
we
wouldn't
need
to
have
any
seawall.
The
document
facility
installed
prior
to
a
two-year
period
would
that
be
correct.
Nope.
K
K
L
D
A
M
K
K
191
comes
from
the
site
plan
that
was
submitted
as
part
of
the
permitting
for
the
Water
Management
District
and
the
Army
Corps
of
Engineers.
That
permitting
was
done
not
by
my
client
but
by
the
bank
that
took
over
this
project
in
the
interim,
because
they
felt
that
having
those
permits
in
hand
would
add
to
the
value
of
the
project
was
which
it
does
we
will
have
to
him.
We
have
always
stated
this
will
have
to
go
in
and
modify
because
we
that
that
one
hundred
ninety
one
is
not
our
site
plan.
K
N
You
know
for
the
record,
Ian
Vincent
and
Jerry
stole
most
of
my
thunder
on
this.
What
she
said
is
exactly
correct:
I
actually
did
the
permitting
for
the
previous
owner,
and
it
is
not
unusual
for
any
project
whenever
you're
someone
who
does
not
intend
to
be
the
ultimate
user,
you
typically
develop
a
footprint.
You
come
up
with
a
this
is
where
we
would
like
to
see
development
and
that
way,
you're
able
to
identify
wetland,
impacts,
wetland
preserves,
you
know
the
amount
of
impervious
that's
gonna
be
allowed
on
a
project.
N
The
amount
of
stormwater
it's
gonna,
be
required
for
a
project,
as
Jerry
said,
the
Water
Management
District
and
in
the
Army
Corps.
For
that
matter,
the
water
managers
district
does
not
regulate
uses
or
densities.
They
truly
don't
care
if
you're
going
a
thousand
feet
high
and
making
it
whatever
you
want
to
make
it
they
care
about
impervious
areas,
stormwater
management,
wetland
impacts
and
flooding,
and
the
Army
Corps
is
even
a
little
less.
Specifically.
N
They
really
truly
just
care
about
the
actual
wetland
impacts,
so
that
hundred
ninety
one
acres
was
yeah
that
one
hundred
ninety
one
units.
Sorry,
it's
been
a
lot
of
numbers
and
I
haven't
had
lunch
yet
so
blood
Sugar's
dropping
191
units
really
was
based
on
a
footprint
because
the
bank
needed
to
get
it
entitled
to
have
something
that
they
were
able
to.
As
most
of
you
know,
this
is
not
unusual.
N
I
have
multiple
projects
right
now
that
I'm
on
my
third
fourth
major
modification,
for
you
know
the
Tucker's
great
parcel
at
I-75,
we've
gone
from
commercial
to
industrial,
to
residential
to
commercial.
So
it
it
really
is
not
unusual
and
I.
Don't
think
that
anyone
myself
or
anyone
else
on
the
team
has
ever
been
trying
to
mislead
anyone.
By
saying
we
have
our
permits,
we're
ready
to
construct
tomorrow.
I
think
we've
said
all
along.
We
fully
recognize
both
of
those
permits
are
going
to
have
to
be.
Gonna
have
to
be
modified
and.
N
Thousands
and
thousands
of
dollars
in
engineering
and
everything
else
and
you
you're
the
last
thing
you'd
want
to
do
is
I
mean
imagine
the
scenario
where
they
went
through
the
process
got
this
plan
approved
and
then
you
guys
said
no
go
single-family
every
day,
so
you
just
you,
don't
do
it
until
you
have
at
least
one
of
the
birds
in
the
hand.
I
do
want
to
speak
just
a
little
bit
about
this
conversation
about
you
know,
there's
49
acres,
that's
not
developable
and
mr.
N
Levin
said
it
very
well
in
that
with
the
water
major
district
and
the
Army
Corps
I
cannot
say
this
enough.
There
is
nothing
that
would
prohibit
them
from
developing
the
entire
property
under
their
rules,
as
Miss
Matthews
very
clearly
pointed
out.
Yes,
they
would
have
to
mitigate.
It
would
not
be
a
project
that
I
wanted
to
work
on,
because
it
would
be
difficult,
but
there
is
nothing
that
would
prohibit
it,
so
it
it
is
important
to
keep
that
in
mind
that
I
think
it
was
mr.
Brown
who
said
that
it
was.
N
It
was
being
deceiving
to
say
that
were
being
good
people
by
preserving
those
wetlands
because
it
was
preordained.
No,
it's
not.
We
don't
were
going
to
go
in
for
a
permit.
If
we
didn't
have
this
site
plan,
you
made
us
go
to
single-family
of
it.
We
could
potentially
go
back
and
go
hey.
We
have
to
go
single-family,
we
need
another
one
hundred
units,
we're
gonna
impact,
nother,
twenty
acres
of
wetland
and
we
would
get
there
eventually
so
I
I
just
wanted
to
get
that
on
the
record
and
Miss
Matthews.
M
N
Joking
around,
oh,
you
brought
up
the
idea
of
saying
well,
let's
look
at
what
the
real
density
on
this
property,
because
49
acres
is
being
preserved,
I've
been
involved
with
multiple
counties
and
helping
with
comprehensive
plans
and
land
development
regs,
and
all
these
things
to
deal
with
how
you
do
balance
that
and
the
problem
is
I
think
was
mr.
Levin,
who
said
if
you
had
a
property
that
was
all
wetlands,
you
certainly
would
not
want
to
prohibit.
N
You
know
you
wouldn't,
as
a
city
say
you
can't
develop
anything,
so
you
have
to
allow
some
form
of
development
whenever
you
cross
into
that
war
and
I.
Had
this
conversation
with
the
county,
you
know
back
in
the
Inga
days
when
you
cross
into
that
world
of
saying.
If
I
preserve
it,
it
no
longer
counts
toward
my
density.
You
are
absolutely
incentivizing
the
developer
to
impact
more
wetlands,
because
if
I
say,
if
I,
this
is
a
perfect
property,
I
have
a
hundred
acres.
I
have
49
acres
of
Preserve,
but
I
have.
N
However,
many
five
hundred
and
whatever
units
of
single-family
density
that
I
can
cluster
and
I
can
preserve
my
wetlands
as
soon
as
you
say.
Well,
okay,
you
have
preserved
the
wetlands
and
that
no
longer
counts
toward
your
density
and
I'm
getting
five
additional
units
for
every
acre
of
wetland.
I'm
allowed
to
impact
with
guess
what
my
49
acres
just
became
fifteen
acres,
because
I
need
that
additional
density,
even
if
I
am
clustering,
so
I
understand
what
you
were
saying,
but
there's
a
reason
that
that
I
would
say
uniformly
across
Florida.
N
L
L
Back
it
back
in
the
November
meeting
when
we
discussed
the
very
first
one
and
we
discussed
the
numerous
traffic
concerns
relative
to
Kia
stock
Kia
stars
rated
as
a
D
and
with
this
impact
that's
rating,
and
we
also
talked
about
as
the
other
properties
get
developed.
That
would
also
require
a
que
ésta
as
access
that
that
could
sometime
impact
and
we
there
was
discussion
that
we
would
preemptively
or
proactively
look
at
what
we
needed
to
do
in
the
future
to
improve
que
ésta
and
it's
in
its
active
in
our
because
I
recall.
L
O
O
L
O
L
D
L
I
P
I
Yeah
just
a
comment
relative
to
the
the
price
point
that
was
mentioned,
and
there
was
a
comment
about
you
know
we
might
not
approve
it
if
it
was
not
certain
I'm,
not
so
sure
about
that.
I
think
that
we
need
diversity
in
our
community
and
I
think
that
diversity
of
price
point
is
would
be
healthy
for
us
so
that
we
have
a
diverse
community
and
so
I
think
you
know
that's
just
my
own
two
cents
worth
thanks.
Thank.
H
Read
fellows
once
again
for
the
record:
I
have
been
sworn
I
just
want
to
address
a
couple
of
comments
that
I
heard
in
regards
to
the
traffic
study
that
we
did
produce.
As
I
said
before.
This
is
a
traffic
report
prepared
by
my
firm,
signed
and
sealed
by
myself.
As
a
professional
engineer,
you
talk
about
common
sense
and
just
grab
the
numbers
out
of
the
air.
That's
not
how
we
deal
with
reports.
H
We
use
fundamental
transportation,
engineering
principles
and
based
upon
those
we
come
up
with,
not
the
formulas
we
plug
in,
but
the
ratios,
and
we
do
do
a
common-sense
smell
test
after
that.
Looking
at
the
numbers
in
deciding
hey
does
this
make
sense
and
in
general
I've
been
practicing
engineering
for
traffic
engineering
for
over
20
years.
The
residential
trip
generation
rates
really
haven't
changed
that
much
over
that
time
period.
What
we
use
is
called
the
Institute
of
Transportation
engineers
traffic.
H
H
Now,
there's
ubermann
spurt,
ation
options,
including
buses,
and
you
know
high-speed
or
whatever
is
going
on,
but
also
you
might
even
know
from
your
own
grandchildren
how
many
of
them
actually
going
and
getting
their
drivers
licenses
with
social
media
things
and
uber,
and
everything
that
they
don't
even
want
a
license.
They're
at
home
on
their
computers
or
talking
through
social
media.
They
don't
meet
at
the
malt
shop
anymore.
So
what
I'm
trying
to
get
at
is
basically
what
we're
talking
about.
H
It's
pretty
conservative
here
as
far
as
our
trip
generation
rates
go
and
also
the
key
takeaway.
Once
again
is
we
looked
at
the
background
traffic
in
the
area,
and
this
is
based
on
data
from
the
city
and
from
Charlotte
counties.
Nothing
that
I
just
pulled
out
of
the
air
again.
This
is
based
on
data
provided
within
your
community
Charlotte
County
and
the
city
of
Punta
Gorda.
H
Then
we
grow
that
in
our
time
horizon
which
I
said
before
was
2021
and
that's
a
compounded
growth
rate
of
over
five
percent
over
five
years,
which
is
a
lot
of
growth,
even
after
that
adding
our
trip
generation,
which
we
think
is
conservative,
adding
that
background
traffic
we
are
still
within
the
adopted
level,
services
that
are
within
the
city
of
Punta
Gorda
and
Charlotte
County
codes
and
I
answer
any
questions.
If.
A
K
Like
to
address
the
two
remaining
issues
that
were
raised,
the
first
being
the
concerns
about
the
parallel
boat
slips,
I'll
point
out
and
included
in
the
experts
report
that
you
have
policies
within
your
comp
plan
that
encourage
additional
slips
in
the
silly
objective.
22B
point:
one
point:
one
of
your
coastal
and
I'm.
Sorry
twenty-eight
point
one
point:
one
Intracoastal
management
of
an
Punta
Gorda
will
continue
a
development
pattern
which
is
characterized
by
the
location
of
water,
dependent
and
water
related
uses
in
its
waterfront
areas,
objective
to
make
sure
it's
a
be
ornate.
K
No,
it's
a
B
actually
to
be
three
point:
one
improve
access
from
the
waters
of
the
Peace
River
in
Charlotte
Harbor
to
the
city
of
Punta
Gorda,
by
improving
the
number
and
quality
of
boat
slips.
Moorings
and
shore
side
support
facilities
for
cruising
boaters,
an
objective
to
be
point
six
point
one:
the
city
shall
maintain
and
enhance
its
traditional
economy
in
the
areas
of
boating
fishing
and
tourism.
So
your
comprehensive
plan.
When
you
look
at
a
proposal
and
consistency
with
the
comp
plan,
you
look
at
the
entire
comprehensive
plan.
K
There
are
a
number
of
policies
that
you
have
that
look
to
see
increases
in
things
like
boat
slips
and
mooring
facilities.
The
other
thing
that
I
would
point
out-
and
this
is
a
real
concern
for
me-
is
that
this
is
a
rezoning
and
the
rezoning
has
certain
criteria
that
you
have
to
meet
and
we
came
prepared
to
address
those
criteria.
K
The
city
does
have
specific
criteria
for
how
you
determine
if
a
something
that
is
not
the
normal
sea
wall
or
dock
or
boating
facility,
if
it's
out
of
your
ordinary,
they
have
criteria
that
talks
about
safety
and
whether
it
is
creates
a
safe
environment,
whether
it
impacts
boating
safety.
We
did
not
come
prepared
to
discuss
that
because
those
criteria
are
contained
in
your
code
and
incorporated
into
a
separate
process,
which
is
the
process
that
would
approve
those
actual
parallel
voting
facilities.
Therefore,
we
have
not
introduced
any
evidence
into
the
record.
K
K
And
finally,
there
were
concerns,
and
and
and
and
a
lot
of
comments
about
over
building
and
we're
putting
too
much
on
this
site
and
in
the
400
plus
units
who
are
proposing
or
too
much,
and
that's
why
I
pulled
up
this
slide.
This
is,
as
I
indicated,
an
actual
google
slide.
So
what
you
see?
That's
Punta,
Gorda
Isles,
and
that
is
indicative
of
the
development
versus
the
green
space
in
Punta
Gorda
Isles.
This
is
our
proposed
plan.
K
Yes,
we
are
proposing
a
large
number
of
units,
but
when
you
look
at
this
plan-
and
you
look
at
the
green
space
that
will
be
preserved
and
you
look
at
how
that
looks
in
comparison
to
Punta,
Gorda
Isles
and
the
single-family
development
that
surrounds
it
judge
for
yourself
whether
what
we're
proposing
is
over
building
of
the
site,
we
ask
that
you
approve
this
proposed
plan
development.
Thank
you.
D
D
We
did
not
get
into
many
details,
but
we
did
meet
and
you
know
they
did
show
us
some
of
what
they're
proposing
here
and
I
I
do
believe
that
they've
taken
in
all
of
the
consideration
that
we
have
given
them
over
these
two
long
processes
and
I
really
think
they
have
a
unique
product
and
to
the
housing
elements
that
we
have
in
our
comprehensive
plan.
I
really
do
feel
like
this
would
be
an
addition,
and
you
know
the
the
site
itself
right
now.
It
did
suffer
a
little
bit
damage
I
did
drive
by
there.
J
K
L
Q
Right
I'll
say
something:
a
little
story.
There
was
a
story
of
this
guy
narcissus
and
he
he
was
cursed
for
viewing
himself
in
the
mirror
in
this
pond,
where
he'd
be
first
look
at
himself,
he
looked
at
himself
and
it
became
so
transfixed
at
his
image
that
he
ceased
to
eat
and
drink,
and
he
died
on
the
spot
often
times
when
he
teaches
this
authority,
such
as
the
story
saying
and
our
sisters
loved
himself
too
much.
He
didn't
heal.
He
actually
maintained
his
self
image
at
the
expense
of
itself.
Q
Reality
I
say
this
because
we
are
not
as
resilient
a
city
as
we
like
to
believe.
We
are.
We
we
believe
were
in
some
fiscal
position
that
we're
not,
and
we
expect
the
public
expects
the
public
officials
to
act
in
a
manner
which
is
consistent
with
maintenance
of
the
self
image
which
is
not
true.
I'll
give
you
example:
when
we
talk
about
reserves,
I
looked
at
it,
research
on
Marco
Island,
who
just
got
impacted
by
Armagh.
Q
They
have
49%
reserves,
Keywest
impacted
by
irma
19%,
Erbs,
Punta
Gorda,
7.5%
reserves,
the
the
minimum
of
the
government
finance,
Officers
Association
recommends
the
city
have,
and
this
is
not
talking
about
cities
that
are
impacted
by
who
knows
what
storms,
crazy
madness
is
17.5%
and
I
say
this,
because
we
often
talk
about
preserving
our
lifestyle
in
our
way.
The
only
way
we
can
preserve
our
lifestyle
is
if
we're
able
to
actually
maintain
our
lifestyle
in
the
midst
of
chaos.
Q
Q
We
have
200
less
businesses
than
we
had
before
Hurricane
Charley
before
Hurricane
Charley,
the
city
was
in
stagnation
and
we
were
significantly
better
off
than
we
are
right
now
as
the
city
in
terms
of
our
fiscal
position,
the
only
way
we
can
fix
this
is
if
we
have
three
options,
we
raise
taxes
which
I
think
since
we're
an
older,
fixed
income
community,
that's
off
the
table
to
cut
services.
We
have
very
robust
services.
Q
I
think
we
were
proud
of
enormous
to
cut
that
so
number
three,
the
only
other
option
we
have
would
be
to
increase
our
commercial
activity,
and
this
is
a
very
good
example
of
a
very,
very
well
designed
means
of
increasing
our
commercial
activity.
Another
thing
I'd
say
this
is
because
we
only
have
the
three
options
is
one
two
or
three
one
and
two
I
know.
Q
Teresting
has
really
don't
want
number
three
we
have
to
have,
and
one
thing
we
come
to
this
is
that
we
often
forget
that
patna
gorta
is
130
years
old,
Punta
Gorda
had
a
year-round
economy
for
a
very,
very,
very
long
time.
It's
only
now
that
we
have
this
seasonal
thing.
We
only
go
a
few
miles
north
to
Venice.
Venice
is
a
similar
sized
city.
Q
They
have
a
year
run
economy,
they
don't
have
a
season,
they
don't
have
a
season
because
they
have
actual
critical
mass
of
enough
businesses
inside
their
city
that
people
do
not
need
to
leave
their
city
to
get
their
needs
met,
and
so
we're
saying
this
is
that
everything
we
do
to
turn
things
down.
We
only
hurt
ourselves
when
we
make
ourselves
more
susceptible
to
bigger,
bigger
problems.
With
this
said
to
our
north,
we
have
Northport,
which
is
very
serious.
We
now
have
Charlotte
Harbor,
which
is
very
serious.
We
have
Babcock
Ranch,
which
is
very
serious.
Q
We've
managed
to
maintain
a
position
of
being
the
jewel
on
the
crown,
simply
by
being
the
the
the
only
city
in
the
county
at
this
point
now
we're
the
only
place-
that's
really
not
thinking
about
sustainability,
and
we
were
like
saying
sustainable.
We
were
really
not
thinking
about
it.
We
actually
have
to
act
in
a
manner
that
we
are
important.
Our
people
are
important.
We
can't
only
think
in
this
very
very
sectional
way
when
we
make
decisions
like
this,
we
have
to
think
about
the
actual
macroeconomic
effect
that
decision
will
have
on
the
economy.
Q
We
think
only
about
this
neighborhood
or
this
neighborhood,
this
neighborhood,
we
forget
that
were
part
of
a
greater
body,
and
we
think
of
this.
We
have
to
think
about
this
in
a
manner
that
this
is
good
for
Punta,
Gorda
or
not.
This
is
something
that
is
actually
good
for
Punta
Gorda.
This
is
something
that
will
help
its
residents
live
a
more
sustainable
life.
This
will
allow
us
to
be
able
to
get
into
a
better
fiscal
position
that
we
can
actually
deal
with
things
like,
for
example,
FEMA
reimburses.
Q
Q
We
don't
we're
not
this
place,
we're
not
twenty
years
ago
we
actually
as
a
council
this
past
councils,
not
ours,
but
in
the
past
they
decided
that
having
reserves
was
not
important
for
the
city
and
so
they're
gone,
and
so
now
we're
in
a
very,
very
fragile
situation.
This
is
something
that
we
have
to
rectify
and
so
I
just
think
that
this
is
important.
So
with
that
said,
the
other
side
of
this
is
I.
Q
This
no
question
at
all
from
a
legal
standpoint,
the
applicant
has
done
everything
that
they're
asked
to
do.
Staff
has
confirmed,
and
we
have
expert
testimony
which
says
this
is
substantiate
it.
We
everything
we
need.
The
answer
really
so,
according
to
the
parameters
we
offer
within
is
is
yes
this.
This
is
good
for
us,
within
our
perimeters
and
on
a
macroeconomic
level.
There's
no
question:
this
is
good
for
our
economy,
so
I'm
fully
in
support
of
it.
Thank.
L
Just
like
to
add
a
little
bit
to
this,
but
I
promise,
it
won't
be
quite
as
long
because
I
have
to
celebrate
my
new
year
later
tonight.
Okay,
in
addition
to
what
jaha,
Sain
and
also
there
was
a
comment
about
the
price
point
of
the
of
these
of
these
condominiums
relative
to
who
we
would
be
attracting
whether
it
would
be
children
or
not.
I.
L
Just
would
like
to
point
out
that
there's
discussion
in
the
business
community
that
a
number
of
us
have
been
involved
in
we're
a
city
that's
soon
going
to
be
able
to
have
another
additional
4
million
gallons
of
water
a
day
we're
a
city
that
has
a
very
vibrant
expanding
airport.
There
are
a
number
of
things
that
are
happening
in
Punta
Gorda
that
could
be
attractive
to
bringing
other
year-round
businesses
like
around
our
Airport
etc.
L
However,
what
we
lack
is
housing
and
the
fact
is
is
if
you
do
bring
in,
if
we're
fortunate
enough
to
attract
a
business
other
than
just
other
than
a
destination.
Business
such
as
gonna
go
across
the
harbor,
which
is
I,
think
it's
great
that
it's
coming,
but
if
we're
able
to
bring
another
pulse'
feeder
in
or
a
number
and
other
Cheney
brothers
in,
they
will
be
employing
professional
people
that
this
is
in
their
price
point,
and
this
will
allow
a
company
to
say:
ok,
we
can
come
here
and
our
employees
can
help
find
a
place.
L
D
I
I
Think
one
of
other
people
mentioned
as
a
community
will
stagnate
and
and
I've
really
looked
very
hard
at
the
numbers
and
understanding
the
numbers
of
what
our
staff
is
presented
and
how
things
were
calculated
and
and
I
think
that
what
what
my
perception
is,
what
has
been
presented
is
a
pretty
well
thought-out
arrangement
that
is
going
to
lower
the
impact
on
aqui
estoy
I'm
willing
to
to
let
our
processes
take
their
place
and
let
our
canal
maintenance,
our
canal,
Advisory,
Committee,
examine
navigation
and
things
like
that.
But
I
think
this.
I
This
could
be
a
compliment
to
the
community
and
help
us
achieve
many
of
our
goals,
and
one
of
the
goals
we
helped
achieve
this
morning
is
when
we
had
approved
the
first
reading
of
the
Walmart
annexation,
I,
I,
don't
and
I
think
this
would
would
help
us
as
well.
I.
Don't
believe
that
what
we
are
doing
is
selling
out
to
a
developer,
as
some
people
might
might
insinuate.
I
think
that
what
we're
doing
is
is
examining
a
plan
and
in
looking
at
how
it's
going
to
contribute
to
the
community.
So.
M
M
If
that
could
be
considered
to
be
low-rise
units,
that
would
show
a
exercise
of
good
faith
on
the
part
of
the
developer
and
that
that
is
the
parcel
of
part
of
the
parcel
that
is
closest
to
the
single-family
homes
that
people
have
built
over
there.
I
I
do
have
a
bit
of
a
problem
with
that
part
of
the
project.
M
I
am
absolutely
adamantly
opposed
to
a
dry
storage
building
being
added
to
the
site
plan
at
this
point
number
one:
it's
not
part
of
the
application,
so
therefore
I,
don't
even
think
it
should
be
considered
in
our
discussions
today,
but
I
also
think
it's
a
very
bad
idea.
I
think
it's
going
to
be
a
horrible
looking
building
another
albatross
right
there
adjacent
to
the
single-family
homes
if
it's
approved.
All
of
that
said,
the
application
does
meet
all
the
criteria
that
the
city
has
asked
for
so
I'm
very
torn
about
how
I
feel
about
it.
C
J
I
wanted
to
read
into
the
record
my
proposed
revision
to
paragraph
Roman
numeral
3.
That
would
be
part
of
the
ordinance
if
you
were
so
inclined
to
adopt
it.
I
would
I'm
just
gonna
read
it
the
way
it
should
should
be
revised
and-
and
it
will
come
back
before
you
in
that
form.
Second
reading,
except
as
limited
by
the
approved
construct
concept,
site
plan,
those
uses
and
development
standards
for
the
planned
development
village
PDV
attached
here
to
and
incorporated
here
in
as
a
d
shall
be
permitted.
J
City
council
hereby
eliminates
the
requirement
for
a
minimum
of
5
percent
of
the
gross
area
of
a
planned
development.
Village
PDV
to
be
designed
to
be
designated
for
shopfront
or
workplace
buildings
such
as
commercial
uses
on
the
subject
site
are
not
are
not
compatible
with
the
surrounding
community
and
the
proposed
condominium
community
containing
23
buildings,
a
clubhouse
and
recreation
area,
parallel
boat
slips
and
multi
slip
docking
facility
more
fully
integrates
the
project
into
the
existing
neighborhood.
I
D
L
I
think
we
believe
ourselves,
because
if
it
got
binded
in
where
the
city
were,
if
some
of
the
property
would
be
deeded
back
to
the
city,
then
the
city
has
a
maintenance
issue
that
we
have
to
do.
Also.
Consider
so
I
think
it's
premature
for
us
to
discuss
it
at
that
time.
Yeah.
Although
I
would
like
to
see
us
discuss
this.
Obviously,
in
the
future,
one.
J
Of
the
options
that
might
end
up
being
mutually
advantageous
is
if
we,
in
discussions
down
the
road
suggested
to
the
owner
of
the
property,
that,
by
putting
some
of
that
area
into
conservation
easements,
they
could
get
a
tax
break
at
the
same
time,
providing
the
public
facilities
might
be
that
advantageous.
So
these
are
things
that
remain
open
for
future
discussion
and.