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Regular Council Meeting 6-15-2022
D
F
Good
morning,
I'd
like
to
call
to
order
the
june
15
2022
city
council
meeting,
let
the
record
reflect
that
all
city,
council,
members
and
city
officials
are
present
or
in
the
building
before
we
do
the
invocation
and
pledge.
I
would
just
like
to
announce
that
vice
mayor
kerry
will
be
sitting
this
one
out.
She
is
having
some
serious
back
problems
and
it's
extremely
painful
for
her
to
stand
so
she's
excused
from
standing
during
the
invocation
and
the
pledge.
So
please
stand
and
join
join
me
for
this.
C
Would
you
pray
with
me
father?
We
know
that
the
continental
congress,
when
they
met
after
winning
the
war
against
england,
had
a
huge
task,
and
we
know
that
ben
franklin
stood
up
and
said
unless
the
lord
builds
the
house
it's
built
in
vain.
So
that
is
our
request
today
that
you
would
be
present
at
this
meeting,
helping
each
and
every
one
walk
through
a
place
of
peace,
strength
and
wisdom
as
they
gather
together
and
as
we
meet
for
the
betterment
of
this
community
and
this
city.
Thank
you
for
being
here.
C
F
H
C
Good
morning,
everyone
jessica
police
department.
This
is
our
new
family
member
he's
our
new
therapy
dog.
So
we
received
a
donation
a
few
months
back.
C
About
having
a
therapy
dog
program
here
in
the
city,
it's
a
trend,
that's
going
nationwide
right
now,
so
we
did
some
research
and
we
found
that
brevard
county
sheriff's
office
up
north
and
by
cocoa
beach.
They
do
a
therapy
dog
program
there
where
they
take
in
rescues
and
they
take
an
owner
surrenders.
They
train
them
to
be
therapy
dogs
for
12
weeks
over
the
over
the
course
of
12
weeks
and
they
utilize
their
inmates
to
assist
in
the
training.
C
C
So
we
have
people
from
all
over
the
country
and
they
all
left
with
a
rescue
dog.
That's
now
a
therapy
home,
so
we're
looking
forward
to
it
we're
we're
currently
in
our
weaker
two-week
bonding
period.
As
you
see
he's
very
close
to
me
already,
and
I've
only
been
with
him
for
about
a
week
and
a
half.
So
we're
super
excited
and
we're
going
to
utilize
a
chance
to
help
kids
and
veterans
and
the
elderly
when
they're
in
a
critical
incident
and
the.
C
It
just
takes
edge
off
a
little
bit,
just
to
imagine
a
child
that
you
need
to
interview
and
they're
already
upset
because
of
whatever
may
have
happened
in
their
life.
We
utilize
chance
to
come
in
there
and
just
kind
of
play
with
them
for
a
little
bit
and
it
opens
up
lines
of
communication.
So
we're
very
excited
and
thank
you
to
city
council
for
allowing
us
to
do
this
and
we're
also
going
to
use
it
for
city
employees.
J
It's
great
to
have
the
canine
train,
but
the
handler
is
doing
well
too.
C
Handler's,
a
little
edgy
right
now
definitely
a
lot
of
work,
but
I
think
it's
going
to
be
a
great
program
for
the
city.
F
Okay.
Before
we
open
up
the
floor
for
public
comments,
I
would
like
to
read
a
few
housekeeping
notes
into
the
record
since
there's
someone
so
many
people
in
the
audience
this
morning.
Procedures
for
public
comments.
There
is
a
code
of
conduct
in
the
council,
chambers
and
members
of
the
public
should
familiarize
themselves
with
the
plaque
on
the
wall
behind
the
deus
which
is
located
right
there.
F
Members
of
the
public
who
wish
to
address
the
council
should
use
the
guest
podium
at
the
entrance
door,
speak
directly
into
the
microphone
and
begin
by
stating
your
name
for
the
record.
Each
person
will
have
three
minutes
to
speak
and
sharing
minutes
is
not
permitted.
Speakers
are
to
direct
all
comments
to
the
city
council,
not
the
audience
or
any
one.
Individual
council
member
discussion
between
speakers
and
members
of
the
audience
is
not
permitted
when
there
are
many
individuals
who
wish
to
speak
on
a
subject.
F
Speakers
should
try
not
to
reiterate
lengthy
comments
made
by
others
to
ensure
an
effective
and
efficient
meeting.
This
ensures
everyone
has
an
opportunity
to
speak
audience
and
speakers
will
be
courteous
in
their
language
and
presentation.
No
applause
or
booing
before,
during
or
after
any
speaker,
if
you
have
supporting
documents
that
you
want
displayed
during
your
presentation,
they
must
be
provided
to
the
city
clerk
and
they
will
be
retained
and
become
part
of
the
permanent
record
for
the
city.
The
city
citizens,
comments
portion
of
the
meeting
is
not
intended
to
be
a
question
and
answer
session.
F
Council
members
should
refrain
from
answering
impromptu
questions
or
debating
issues
with
members
of
the
public
and
with
that
we'll
go
ahead
and
open
up
the
floor
for
public
input.
If
there's
anyone
in
the
audience
that
would
like
to
address
counsel
on
any
issue,
please
come
to
the
podium
state,
your
name
for
the
record,
and
you
will
have
three
minutes.
K
Good
morning
I'm
gary
skiplicorn,
I
know
I'm
sticking
my
neck
out
today
and
likely
the
target
of
ridicule,
I'm
going
to
assume
you've
all
seen
the
letter
to
the
editor
that
proposed
an
out-of-the-box
alternative
for
consideration
to
buy
a
portion
of
the
area.
I
stress
portion
of
the
area
of
the
city
marketplace
for
a
park.
K
This
is,
in
contrast
to
permanently
changing
the
character
of
our
charming
downtown.
Do
I
understand
correctly
that
the
council
and
city
staff
are
considering
building
a
parking
garage,
perhaps
with
a
bond
issue
to
appease
the
potential
developer?
You're
being
blackmailed
is
development
on
that
land
really,
all
that
necessary.
K
The
city
has
devoted
much
effort
to
encourage
commercial
development
opportunities
at
other
locations
and
not
at
the
center
of
downtown
with
future
sun
seeker
congestion
guaranteed
places
such
as
airport
road
taylor,
road
jones,
loop,
tucker's
grade
41,
south.
Even
the
hospital
area
are
the
areas
where
commercial
development
belongs.
K
Tell
the
landowner
developer
that
the
developer
that
the
citizens
have
spoken,
no
high
buildings,
not
even
80
foot
buildings,
especially
now
when
the
land
is
again
identified,
as
quote
under
contract
hold
the
line
on
the
current
height
limits
and
watch
the
land
price
plummet
to
a
level
that
could
support
modest
development
or
even
purchased
by
the
sale
at
city.
The
parking
problem
would
be
gone.
Here's
some
state
step
steps
to
take
I'd,
recommend
direct
urban
planning
staff
in
dover
call
to
brainstorm
the
alternative.
K
Consider
sources
of
funding
impact
fees,
which
would
be
very
appropriate
sales
tax
funds
grants
and
the
use
of
remaining
reserves
from
fishermen,
village,
sale
agreement
would
be
appropriate.
Maybe
even
rethink
the
10
million
planned
for
remodeling
of
this
building
to
discuss
to
be
discussed
later
this
morning.
K
Consider
the
november
ballot
for
a
citizen's
referendum
or
poll
to
issue
a
general
obligation
bond
for
a
park
and
not
a
parking
garage.
You
may
find
a
lot
more
citizens
support
more
than
you
think
and
even
at
their
understood,
expense.
Don't
think
of
all
the
reasons
why
you
can't
the
priority
should
be
the
quality
of
life.
The
benefits
will
outlast
us
all.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
C
C
Threatens
and
insults
people
one
has
a
right
to
protest,
but
he
doesn't
you
don't
have
the
right
to
incite
individuals
to
violence
and
to
stop
the
actions
of
our
school
system.
C
C
I
hope
that
in
the
future,
maybe
you
could
readdress
that,
just
because
of
certain
opinions
that
I
may
have
again
I'd,
I
they
did
an
excellent
job
and
have
shown
incredible
restraint
under
pressure
from
these
individuals,
and
I
think
they
should
be
commended
greatly
for
maintaining
order
and
in
our
town.
Thank
you
very
much.
F
I
I'll
be
reaching
out
to
each
one.
E
Of
you
to
schedule
meetings
I'll,
be
scheduling.
F
Is
there
anyone
else
that
would
like
to
address
counsel?
Okay,
see
none
we'll
move
ahead.
If
there's
anyone
in
the
audience
that
has
submitted
their
name
and
resume
for
a
position
on
a
border
committee,
and
you
would
like
to
introduce
yourself,
please
come
to
the
podium
and
introduce
yourself,
and
you
have
three
minutes,
seeing
none
we'll
move
on
to
the
fun
part
of
the
meeting.
I
Holden
gibbs
interim
fire
chief,
we
would
like
to
recognize
battalion
chief
joe
lindsey,
with
this
20-year
service
award
joe
currently
holds
the
rank.
A
battalion
chief
paramedic
on
bishop
for
the
city
as
a
battalion
chief
joe,
is
responsible
for
daily
shift
operations,
managing
three
fire
stations,
personnel
assignments
and
responding
as
an
incident
commander
to
all
life-threatening
medical
and
fire
calls
a
brief
history
about
joe.
He
was
born
and
raised
here
in
southwest
florida
growing
up.
He
wanted
to
be
a
marine
officer
for
fwc
and
attended
the
junior
police
academy.
I
After
a
long
year
of
medical
training,
joe
became
a
paramedic
in
2017,
with
his
knowledge
and
dedication.
Battalion
chief
lindsay
has
been
an
integral
part
of
the
fire
department's
success.
He
is
characterized
by
his
co-workers
as
one
that
leads
by
example.
It
is
easy
to
see
how
he
has
earned
their
respect.
Joe
is
committed
to
his
family,
and
I
would
like
to
personally
thank
his
family
for
their
support
and
sacrifice
during
his
time
spent
away
from
home
battalion
chief
joe
lindsey
is
truly
considered
a
leader
and
a
mentor
with
our
department.
So
congratulations.
Thank
you.
C
C
I
I
Again,
it's
my
pleasure
to
recognize
lieutenant
derek
stewart
with
his
15-year
service
award.
Derek
currently
holds
the
rank
of
lieutenant
paramedic
for
the
city
as
a
lieutenant
medic
he's
responsible
for
initial
scene
management
on
both
fire
and
medical
calls,
in
addition
to
managing
a
fire
station
and
personnel
a
little
history
about
derrick.
He
was
born
and
raised
in
florida
and
started
his
public
service
career
right
out
of
high
school
when
he
was
enlisted
in
the
military
and
became
an
army.
Ranger
derek
is
a
combat
veteran
and
served
in
both
desert
shield
and
desert
storm.
I
Lieutenant
stewart
began
his
fire
career
in
june
of
2007,
with
with
the
help
of
his
leadership
skills
quickly
promoted
to
lieutenant
in
2009
in
2014,
derek
completed
his
paramedic
training.
He
also
took
the
initiative
to
become
a
master
diver
instructor
and
has
assisted
the
advancement
of
the
department's
dive
program.
So
we're
very
proud
of
that.
I
J
C
You
I
love
the
city
of
pontegorta,
I'm
a
bradenton
guy,
manatee
county
and
my
youngest
just
went
off
to
college,
so
I'm
an
empty
nester.
G
The
things
that
we
do
it's
hard.
C
But
the
guys
do
it
with
a
smile,
we
do
it
with
a
smile
and
we
try
to
serve
the
city
best.
We
can.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
E
Good
morning,
normnar
punta
go
to
police.
Just
to
let
you
know,
kelvin
is
very
shy,
so
he's
gonna
need
a
lot
of
encouragement.
E
So
kelvin
has
a
very
interesting
life
story.
He
was
born
in
the
dominican
republic
and
at
the
age
of
five
he
moved
to
the
miami
area
when
he
was
21,
he
decided
to
move
up
to
southwest
florida
and
look
into
his
future
and
begin
his
career
in
law
enforcement.
He
joined
the
police
department
in
june
of
2000
in
june
of
2012..
E
E
Many
people
know
we
went
through
a
little
transition
a
few
years
back
and
we
had
to
rely
on
a
lot
of
young
officers
to
step
up
and
become
leaders
and
kelvin
is
one
of
those
young
officers.
His
work
ethic
truly
stood
him
above
the
rest,
I
could
guide
someone.
I
could
walk
him
through
situations
by
need.
Someone
who's
a
hard
worker
and
kelvin
truly
is
a
hard
worker
and
a
team
player.
E
He
also
has
his
beautiful
daughter
and
son
here,
his
daughter's
17
who's,
going
to
probably
play
in
the
women's
national
basketball
league
there
and
support
her
dad
in
his
retirement
years.
E
And
then
his
son
is
15.
he's
also
back
there
and
god
he's
grown
over
the
last
10
years.
Kelvin,
I'm
proud
of
you.
You
know
you're
one
of
my
one
of
my
first
officers
I
promoted
and
led
and
you've
done
a
good
job.
Now
you
gotta
say
a
few
words.
F
E
Well,
I'm
not
much.
A
Of
a
talker,
I
guess
thank
you
to
all
my
co-workers.
E
F
F
A
F
A
F
Okay,
the
next
item
on
the
agenda
is,
I
have
a
proclamation
to
read
it's
my
honor
and
privilege
to
read
this
proclamation
for
the
city
of
punta
gorda
florida,
whereas
pastor
bob
carlson
was
ordained
in
1982
and
started
his
ministry
and
his
service
to
punta
gorda
and
charlotte
county
in
1991
and
whereas
pastor
bob
has
been
the
assistant
pastor
at
the
first
methodist
church
in
punta
gorda
and
whereas
pastor
bob
has
served
at
fawcett
hospital
as
their
chaplain
as
well
as
a
member
of
their
ethics
committee
and
whereas
pastor
bob
has
been
the
president
of
the
charlotte
county
ministerial
association
and
performed
many
other
civic
activities
across
the
years
and
whereas
pastor
bob
carlson
will
be
retiring
after
40
years
of
service
to
god
and
the
community.
F
Now,
therefore,
the
city
council
of
the
city
of
punta
gorda
florida
does
hereby
proclaim
june
24
2022
as
pastor
bob
carlson
day
passed
and
duly
adopted
in
regular
session.
This
15th
day
of
june
2022
signed
lyner,
matthews
mayor
and
I
don't
see:
pastor
carlson,
no,
no,
okay,
we'll
make
sure
that
he
receives
this
proclamation.
F
So
thank
you
on
his
behalf.
All
right,
we
have
a
public
hearing
on
the
agenda.
Next,
do
people,
we
don't
have
to
swear
anyone
amd
no.
J
E
And
this
is
the
first
reading
of
an
ordinance
which
I'll
read
by
title
only
an
ordinance
of
the
city
of
punta
gorda
florida
relating
to
the
calling
for
and
ordering
of
a
binding
referendum
to
be
held
in
the
city
of
punta
gorda
on
november
8
2022
to
determine
whether
a
majority
of
the
electors.
Voting
in
such
referendum
are
in
favor
of
certain
proposed
charter.
E
Amendments
proposed
by
the
city
of
punta
gorda
charter
review
committee,
requesting
that
the
charlotte
county
supervisor
of
elections
conduct
the
election
in
accordance
with
the
applicable
laws
and
regulations
providing
ballot
language,
directing
that
the
notice
of
election
be
prepared
and
published.
Providing
for
inclusion
in
the
charter
and
providing
for
severability
scrivener's
errors
and
an
effective
date.
E
F
E
I
guess
I
can
speak
to
this.
This
is
the
the
culmination
of
the
work
of
the
charter
review
committee
they've
prepared
the
various
ballot
questions
that
I
think
they
discussed
with
you
in
their
recent
presentation.
E
This
is
a
duty
of
the
city
council,
pursuant
to
the
charter,
to
adopt
this
ordinance
as
it's
being
proposed.
H
Comments,
could
I
ask
you
a
question
for
the
record?
Yes,
I
had
several
people
inquire
about
the
legality
of
extending
somebody's
term
by
referendum
when
they
were
voted
for
a
two-year
term
to
suddenly
give
them
extra
years
just
to
make
it
convenient
for
the
calendar.
Could
you
address
that
again?
I
know
I
know
you
wrote
me,
but
I'd
like
it.
E
On
the
record,
well,
you
know
the
charter
is
the
city's
constitution
and
the
chart
and
the
and
the
charter
is
really
in
control
of
the
members
of
the
public
who
vote
for
approval
of
the
charter
amendments,
and
so,
if
it's
the,
if
it's
the
will
of
the
people
to
amend
the
charter
as
provided,
which
would
result
in
an
extension
of
the
terms,
then
it
is
legal
to
do
so.
A
If
I
may
ask
a
question,
one
of
my
committee
members
had
asked
in
regards
to
the
second
question,
with
adjusting
the
salaries
equal
to
30
percent
of
the
commissioners
and
35
percent
for
mayor.
If
whether
or
not
it
would
be
appropriate,
just
to
kind
of
add
knowing
that,
obviously
that
the
numbers
can
change
but
giving
an
idea
of
what
the
numbers
are.
Currently,
they
just
thought
that
just
seeing
a
30,
you
know
30
to
35
percent
increase,
not
most
of
citizens
may
not
know
what
the
current
salary
is.
E
Understood
I
think
that
that,
along
with
any
ballot
question,
there's
a-
I
won't
say,
an
obligation,
but
an
opportunity
for
education
by
various
organizations
who
might
support
or
oppose
it
would
not
be
appropriate
for
us
to
seek
to
modify
the
language
as
as
you
might
feel,
to
be
an
appropriate
thing
to
do,
and
there
is
also
a
75
word
limitation
in
how
many
words
can
be
in
the
ballot
question.
So
it's
it's
a
it's
a
valid
and
a
legitimate
question,
but
this
would
not
be
the
opportunity
for
us
to.
E
F
And
the
and
the
county,
commissioner
salaries
are
done
by
state
statute,
so
there's
no
control
over
that
at
the
county
at
state
level.
Okay,
all
right!
This
is
a
public
hearing.
Does
anyone
wish
to
speak
on
this
issue?
If
you'd
like
to
speak,
please
come
to
the
podium
state,
your
name
for
the
record,
and
you
have
three
minutes.
F
Does
anyone
wish
to
speak
on
this
issue?
Last
call:
does
anyone
wish
to
speak
on
this
issue,
move
to
close
public
hearing?
Second,
we
have
a
motion
and
a
second
to
close
the
public
hearing.
All
those
in
favor,
please
signify
by
saying
aye,
aye
aye
opposed
motion
carries
unanimously
motion
to
approve.
Second,
we
have
a
motion
and
a
second
to
approve
the
legislative
ordinance
agenda
item
3a
any
further
discussion.
F
E
Yes-
and
this
is
a
resolution
which
I'll
read
by
title-
only
a
resolution
of
the
city
council
of
the
city
of
punta
gorda
florida
amending
the
budget
for
the
fiscal
year,
beginning
october,
1st
2021.
By
providing
for
supplemental
appropriations.
The
amounts
identified
in
exhibit
a
providing
for
severability
and
providing
an
effective
date.
D
Good
morning
chris
and
simeone
for
the
record,
so
we
had
several
appropriations
that
were
needed.
We
have
contribution
revenue
that
is
for
park
benches,
some
building
permit
revenue
to
help
with
professional
services
and
then,
in
addition
to
water
utility
tax
revenue
to
help
with
the
security
measures
at
the
annex,
building
total
is
129
thousand
six
hundred
and
thirty
dollars
when
you
net
out
the
inter
fund
elimination,
that's
ninety
four
thousand
six
hundred
and
thirty
dollars.
F
F
We
have
a
motion
and
a
second
to
approve
consent
agenda.
All
those
in
favor,
please
signify
by
saying
aye,
aye
aye
opposed
motion,
carries
unanimously
all
right,
we'll
move
on
to
the
regular
agenda.
The
first
item
is
america
and
bloom:
a
request
for
planners
at
the
bailey
brothers
park.
E
Good
morning,
richard
polk
with
america
in
bloom,
we're
a
group
of
community
volunteers
tasked
with
beautification
of
downtown.
We
operate
under
the
umbrella
of
team
pinagorda,
and
I
wish
to
thank
council
for
letting
us
do
what
we've
done
down
there.
We
we're
pleased
with
our
results
and
hope
that
council
is
just
by
way
of
a
little
information.
E
The
barbara
and
alan
shulman
foundation
has
entirely
funded
the
project
downtown
to
date.
They've
spent
fifty
eight
thousand
one
hundred
and
forty
nine
dollars
on
doing
that
job.
E
So
I
think
it's
a
pretty
generous
group
or
a
family
in
addition
to
that,
they
have
established
a
foundation
to
provide
maintenance
and
plants
in
perpetuity
for
downtown.
That's
been
established
under
the
charlotte
foundation,
so
we've
come
a
long
way.
We
have
a
little
request
today
we
are
going
to
request
that
you
would
add,
allow
us
to
add
four
planters
at
bailey
brothers
park
now
that
it's
being
used
for
the
food
trucks
and
that
and
a
little
little
work
over
there.
So
that's
our
request.
E
What
we
need
is
your
authorization
to
do
that
and
to
allow
us
to
tie
in
there
is
a
drip
irrigation.
Currently
in
the
park,
so
it's
all
we
would
need
to
do-
is
attach
to
that
and
again
it'll
be
minimal.
You
know
minimal
watering,
so
we
would
be
putting
up.
We
would
be
putting
four
planters
at
the
entrance
two
at
each
entrance,
as
you
can
see,
with
the
yellow
dots.
F
Any
questions
for
mr
paul.
Thank
you
very
much
to
all
of
the
folks
involved
in
this
project.
It
has
been
really
really
heavily
received
in
a
very
popular
way.
I
constantly
see
posts
on
social
media
about
how
beautiful
the
downtown
is.
I
constantly
and
it's
like
last
week
on
facebook,
there
was
a
a
thread
that
went
on
and
on
and
on
with
probably
45
comments
about
people
making
comments
about
how
beautiful
the
flowers
are
downtown.
So
thank
you
all
for
all
that
you
do
with
it's.
It's
a
really
cool
project
and
I
really
hope.
E
I
would
like
to
state
that,
while
they
were
here
at
the
end
of
april
for
our
site
inspection,
we
received
two
commendations,
you
probably
know
for
for
history
park
and
and
the
veterans
memorial
park.
They
they
cited
them
as
outstanding
locations,
cool.
F
E
F
Thank
you
very
much,
and
I
think
this
would
be
a
nice
enhancement
to
the
bailey
brothers
park
as
well.
All
right
any
questions,
no
questions
make
a
motion
to
approve
a
second.
We
have
a
motion
and
a
second
to
approve
the
planters
at
the
bailey
brothers
park.
Any
further
discussion,
all
those
in
favor,
please
signify
by
saying
aye,
aye
aye
opposed
motion
carries
unanimously.
Thank
you.
F
F
C
Good
morning
for
the
record,
joan
lebeau
urban
design
director
and
over
the
past
year,
you've
received
copies
of
the
drafts
of
the
updates
to
the
land
development
regulations
form
base
codes.
You
received
article
3
for
the
regulating
districts,
article
7
for
the
architectural
standards
and
at
the
last
meeting
the
remaining
articles
were
presented
and
there
were
some
items
that
we
didn't
quite
get
completed.
C
So
in
order
to
move
forward
onto
the
next
portion
of
the
project
we'd
like,
and
that
will
be
the
code
testing
that
will
come
back
in
september
to
council
staff
will
present
the
code
testing.
So
you
can
actually
see
what
we
heard
at
from
you.
As
you
were
going
through
these
meetings.
Over
the
last
year
in
parking
we
talked
about
residential
parking.
C
It
was
originally
proposed
that
one
unit
per
residential
unit
and
council
opted
to
move
that
up
to
two
spaces
per
dwelling
units,
but
the
chart
that
we
had
also
included
some
commercial
properties
that
was
being
proposed
at
one
space
per
1,
000
square
foot
of
commercial
development,
and
we
wanted
to
know
if,
as
we're
moving
forward.
If
as
proposed,
that
would
be
the
number
we
would
use.
H
G
C
H
H
C
C
For
the
record
mitchell
austin
urban
design
so
for
parking
regulations,
there's
a
wide
array
of
of
standards.
Most
parking
requirements
are
based
on
suburban
development
standards
in
redevelopment
areas
and
infill
location
urban
locations
like
downtown
ponte
gorda
across
the
country.
Typically,
you
see
reductions
from
those
suburban
standards
so
anywhere
from
absolutely
no
parking
requirements
to
around
one
space
per
thousand
square
feet.
Maybe
even
one
space
per
five
or
six
hundred
square
feet
of
commercial
space
is
is
fairly
typical.
C
There
are
different
ways
to
say
that
and
those
codes
vary
widely,
but
this
is
a
pretty
good
standard,
especially
for
a
place
like
puna
gorda,
which
doesn't
obviously
have
any
public
transit
or
any
other
reasonable
means
for
people
to
get
around
other
than
an
automobile.
So
you
are
requiring
some
parking,
but
it
it
really
is
enabling
small
lots
to
be
built
upon,
because
cars
do
take
up
a
great
deal
of
space.
H
J
C
Density,
we
were
good
on.
It
was
reviewed
as
proposed
and
then
basically,
when
we
come
back
in
september,
we'll
have
some
visuals
that
you've
been
asking
for
that
will
identify
those
items
that
we've
proposed
in
the
code.
J
F
C
At
that
time,
when
we
present,
we
will
be
asking
for
some
confirmation
from
council
as
to
the
height
the
parking
in
september
and
september.
Okay,.
C
A
A
lot
of
questions
I'm
getting
is
that
we're
trying
to
move
forward,
putting
some
pen
to
paper
to
have
some
visuals,
so
we
can
start
looking
at
what
this
would
look
like.
What
costs
you
know
affecting
the
whole
city,
etc,
correct
right
now
it's
just
been
discussion
and
it's
been
a
lot
of
things
thrown
around.
So
I
think
you
know
I
just
wanted
to
put
on
the
record
the
fact
that
going
forward
with
this
doesn't
mean
a
definitive.
E
Ultimately,
the
land
development
regulations
are
going
to
need
to
be
approved
by
at
a
public
hearing,
and
so
you
know
there
may
still
be
some
changes
as
a
result
of
your
receipt
and
consideration
of
public
comment.
So
nothing
is
really
cut
in
stone
until
the
second
reading
of
that
ordinance,
because.
J
A
I
would
just
like
to
make
another
comment
too,
if
appropriate
here
just
to
be
on
the
record
that
I
think
there's
been
a
lot
of
confusion
too.
As
far
as
there's
been
comments
about
rushing
and
we
feel
like
we
just
started
looking
at
this-
and
you
know-
why
is
everything
coming
to
a
head
in
november,
because
november
has
been
thrown
out
a
lot
and
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
I
just
want
to
go
on
the
record
that
the
reason
why
we're
doing
this
is
that
we
have
a
deadline
with
the
state.
A
We
have
a
deadline
with
a
state
to
give
them
information
and
direction.
Now
that
doesn't
necessarily
mean
that
we
have
to
change
anything,
so
it
could
incense.
You
know,
come
to
fruition
in
september
and
that
we
may
decide
as
a
council
not
to
change
anything
and
that
would
be
submitted
to
the
state.
Obviously
I
understand
the
work
that's
been
put
into
this,
but
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
for
some
people
that
are
confused,
that
we're
not
rushing
it
just
to
rush
it
for
a
november
deadline,
we're
rushing
it
to
comply
with
state
regulations.
A
J
The
and
part
of
that
confusion,
too,
is
when
you
talk
about
the
state
and
november
deadlines.
You
know
we
have
to
have
a
letter
into
the
state
that
says
we
intend
on
changing
xyz
in
our
comp
plan.
This
is
only
one
article.
We
have
15
articles
that
we
have
to
submit
to
the
state.
This
is
just
one,
so
we
have
to
get
through
that
whole
process
and
then
all
that
has
to
come
back
to
council,
because
council
has
to
approve
that
before
we
submit
the
letter
to
the
state.
J
J
So
the
state
requires
account
plan
to
be
updated
every
year,
every
single
seven
years,
and
we
were
two
years
ahead
of
that
when
we
started
this
process,
which
everyone
thought
would
be
adequate
time
to
get
through
it
get
the
comp
plan
addressed
submitted
to
the
state.
So
we
could
get
all
the
final
approvals
now
we're
almost
behind
the
eight
ball
right.
Okay,
taking
up
that
two-year
period
and.
E
By
way
of
further
clarification,
it's
somewhat
like
the
tail
wagging
the
dog.
Yes,
we
need
to
amend
the
comprehensive
plan,
but
we
need
to
adopt
the
land
development
regulations
so
that
we
know
what
to
put
into
the
amended
comprehensive
plan
because
they
need
to
be
consistent
because
it
has
to
be
consistent
with.
J
F
J
C
C
F
B
So
just
to
read
that
again,
the
city
of
punta
gorda
requires
an
accessible,
functional,
secure
and
welcoming
city
hall
that
rehabilitates
and
protects
the
existing
1926
city
hall
structure
for
continued
use
and
provides
space
for
council
members
and
citizens
to
meet
in
both
a
fit
for
purpose
council
chamber
and
in
smaller
group
settings
and
coupled
with
that,
as
this
is
a
historic
building,
part
of
his
contributing
structure
to
a
historic
district.
We're
following
the
u.s
department
of
the
interior
standards
and
guidelines
for
rehabilitating
historic
buildings
and
one
of
their
requirements.
B
B
For
the
council
chambers
themselves.
There
was
overall,
a
consensus
that
we
needed
to
have
a
larger
audience
capacity
and
improved
deus
for
the
council,
members
and
city
clerk
and
city
manager
and
city
attorney
that
we
would
have
better
technology
and
audio
visual
capacity,
including
broadcasting.
Within
this
space.
B
There
would
also
be
dedicated
space
for
council
members
outside
of
the
council
chamber.
So
a
conference
meeting
room
for
meeting
constituents
office
workspace
for
council
members,
so
they
can
work
here,
create
a
welcome
plaza
entry
so
that
we
take
that
civic
space
that
exists
in
front
of
the
historic
building
today
and
actually
enlarge
that
provide
a
focal
point
of
entry
to
the
new
addition
and
complex
security
to
have
a
secure
facility
for
both
council
members
and
the
general
public
somewhere,
where
everybody
can
feel
safe
and
that
meetings
can
be
held
respectfully
rethink
office.
B
And
just
kind
of
give
a
reminder
of
what
the
civic
campus
is,
so
we
drew
the
borderline
around
the
city,
annex
historic
city
hall,
and
this
current
1970s
edition
that
we're
sitting
in
today.
So
this
historic
city
hall,
is
there
in
blue.
The
current
edition
that
we're
all
seated
in
is
that
green
edition
to
its
right
and
the
city
annex
is
further
up
the
page.
B
We
did
not
take
into
account
the
government
parking
lot,
that's
immediately
adjacent,
but
we
did
take
account
of
all
the
exterior
space
around
those
three
buildings
and
we
have
had
with
banks
engineering
as
civil
engineering
consultant.
We
have
had
a
pre-application
meeting
with
southwest
florida,
water
management
district,
and
we
don't
see
any
major
issues
with
anything.
That's
been
proposed
on
the
site.
B
So
analysis
of
the
existing
historic
city
hall,
with
the
current
extension
that
we're
sitting
in
today
we're
going
to
preserve
the
historic
features
of
the
existing
building,
but
we
also
need
to
rehabilitate
the
interior,
so
it
works
efficiently
and
well
for
modern
office
needs.
It
was
considered
that
this
addition,
it
obviously
has
no
historic
value.
It's
not
considered
to
have
any
particular
aesthetic
value.
The
building
systems
throughout
both
historic
city
hall
and
this
structure
are
in
poor
condition
will
require
replacement
and
we
do
have
water
intrusion
problems.
B
As
we'll
talk
about
later,
the
existing
structure
is
considered
too
small
to
meet
your
current
needs.
It
has
poor
ada,
accessibility
and
ada
accessibility,
as
a
side
note
is
required
both
to
the
deus
itself.
For
instance,
one
day
you
may
well
have
a
council
member
who
requires
ada
accessibility,
or
you
may
already
have
had
that
and
had
to
work
around
it.
B
We
also
have
the
issuers,
unfortunately,
you
know
too
well
after
hurricane
charlie.
Obviously,
flooding
is
a
major
issue
throughout
southwest
florida
and
as
it
stands,
both
one
of
your
primary
council
spaces
here,
the
council
chambers
and
all
of
the
first
floor
of
historic
city
hall
is
vulnerable
to
flooding
base.
Flood
elevation
is
approximately
four
feet
above
where
we're
standing
today.
B
So,
if
you
all
imagine
water
up
to
the
top
of
the
heads
of
the
audience,
that's
roughly
what
would
be
flooded
out
on
a
hundred
year
flood,
which
means
there's
a
one
percent
chance
of
that
flood
occurring
in
any
given
year.
So
that's
relatively
likely
it's
much
more
likely
than
you're
going
to
be
in
an
accident,
and
you
still
wear
a
seatbelt
to
protect
against
that.
B
B
At
the
first
floor,
when
you
walk
around
the
lane
ceiling,
hides
the
existing
high
ceiling
and
also
means
you
lose
a
lot
of
daylight
through
the
existing
windows,
and
you
can
see
there
in
the
middle
we've
shaded
red.
That's
what
we
consider
the
area
of
primary
historic
interest
to
the
interior,
which
is
the
entrance
hall
from
the
front
door
and
the
staircase
going
up
the
red
line,
the
bold
red
line
across
the
top
of
each
plan,
that
is,
the
area
of
water
intrusion
to
the
structure,
and
we
have.
B
There
are
significant
issues
there,
which
are
basically
all
a
result
of
the
original
construction
of
the
building
and
would
be
difficult
to
modify.
It
also
equates
to
that
area
of
the
elevation
of
the
building,
which
is
was
obviously
done
for
economic
reasons
at
the
time.
If
you
look
at
the
exterior
of
the
building,
the
south
east
and
west
elevations
all
have
many
moldings
pilasters,
the
back
doesn't
and
it's
a
cheaper
brick.
It
was
built
in
a
much
cheaper
way.
They
didn't
special
mold,
the
bricks
or
anything
so
at
corners,
you'll
notice.
B
They
actually
kind
of
interlock
like
this
and
parts
of
the
bricks
actually
project.
So
it
gives
lots
of
places
for
water
to
get
into
the
building
and
unless
you
put
a
coating
on
the
outside
of
that
that
waterproof
that
completely
you're
almost
always
going
to
have
water
intrusion
issues
at
that
area.
B
B
So
we
remove
the
ability
of
rain
to
even
get
to
that
wall,
and
then
we
don't
have
to
worry
about
it.
We
just
have
to
clean
up
what's
there
for
the
historic
stair,
although
it
may
seem
perverse
to
say
that
we're
no
longer
going
to
use
it
as
a
stair,
but
keep
it
as
a
historic
artifact
to
the
building.
B
B
So
mitigating
flood
risk
for
civic
uses.
We
have
those
existing
buildings,
we're
showing
how,
when
the
flood
water
comes
in,
covers
the
first
floor
of
the
historic
building
this
building
and
the
parking
garage
of
the
annex
so
both
as
a
fema
requirement.
Florida
building
code
requirement
all
of
the
new
addition,
which
is
the
white
there
on
the
right,
is
above
flood
elevation.
It's
only
the
entrance
stairs
and
the
entrance
ramp
that
would
be
covered
and
you
can
make
out
perhaps
between
those
two
images
middle
and
right
that
we're
actually
proposing
raising
the
floor.
B
B
And
we
have
three
options
for
you
and
option.
One
is
very
much
meeting
your
express
needs
of
today.
So
there's
no,
it's
the
most
economical
because
it's
the
smallest.
It's
essentially
a
single
story
edition
and
it
meets
what
you
need
today
with
the
estuary
program
having
moved
out
of
the
historic
building,
but
it
doesn't
give
you
anything
extra
option.
Two
is
effectively
a
two-story
structure
which
provides
a
records
room
at
a
new
second
floor.
So
it's
that
much
higher
above
base
flood
elevation
than
in
option
one.
B
It
provides
office
space
which
would
be
finished
for
any
immediate
expansion
or
future
needs
and
option.
Three
provides
a
third
floor
of
office
space
which
you'll
see
later
in
the
costings
is
provided
as
shell
office
space.
So
that
is
for
needs
that
you
may
well
have
in
the
future
as
the
city
grows
and
city
staff
grows.
B
B
One
of
the
things
that
we
had
to
look
at
by
city
ordinance
at
this
point
in
design
process
is
to
have
this
project
designed
as
a
sustainable
project
and
then
there's
a
requirement
in
the
ordinance
to
prove
that
there's
a
10-year
payback
on
any
sustainable
measures
that
were
taken
city
staff,
directed
us
to
look
at
leed
certification
for
the
project
as
a
way
of
meeting
that
sustainable
ordinance.
So
we
have
a
lead
consultant.
Lead
is
the
program
that
is
run
by
the
united
states,
green
building
council.
B
It's
the
most
recognized
certification
program
and
effectively
that
certification
program
attests
to
the
fact
that
you
have
put
in
place
in
the
design
and
construction
the
measures
necessary
to
produce
a
sustainable
building.
We
were
actually
a
little
shocked
that,
given
what
you
have
instructed
us
to
provide
and
what
we
brought
to
the
table,
that
certification
was
highly
probable
and
it
would
not
require
any
investment
or
very
little
investment
beyond
what
we've
already
been
directed
to
do
and
silver,
which
is
the
second
level
there's
four
in
all
so
it'll
just
be
one
of
the
bottom.
B
So.
I
think
that
that
needs
to
be
clear,
and
I
think
this
resolves
that
very
well.
We
have
to
have
the
first
floor
at
that
higher
elevation,
that's
the
minimum
that
it
has
to
be
at.
So
we
have
a
monumental
stair
entry
from
the
street
there,
which
leads
straight
to
the
sidewalk
and
coming
up
the
side
under
that
lower
portico
to
the
right
is
a
ramped
entry
from
the
parking
lot.
B
It's
also
meets
the
requirement
of
the
us
department
of
the
interior
that
you
have
a
project,
that's
compatible,
but
that's
differentiated.
So
that's
why
we
used
the
same
materials.
We
used
the
brick.
We
used
the
white
stucco
that
you
have
in
the
existing
historic
structure,
but
we
reversed
them.
So
the
brick
gives
you
the
podium
down
to
grade
just
like
the
historic
city
hall
does,
and
then
we
use
the
white
of
historic
city
hall
above
that.
B
And
in
the
floor
plan
you
can
see
the
new
council
chambers
to
the
right.
So
if
I
I
know
the
public
can't
see
it,
but
on
your
screens
I
believe
you
can
see
my
cursor
the
we
have.
The
steps
coming
in
from
below
you
come
in
a
front
vestibule
and
members
of
the
public
coming
from
the
parking
lot
would
rise
up
the
ramp
here
and
remain
under
cover
where
they
can
then
enter
by
the
set
of
doors
into
the
vestibule,
and
you
have
a
single
point
of
entry
at
that
point.
B
The
semicircular
form
works
well
both
with
the
council
chamber
itself
and
also
makes
a
very
efficient
use
of
the
land
available,
there's
actually
very
little
land
available
to
us
to
do
this,
the
to
the
left
of
that
semi-circle.
So
on
council
members
screens
in
this
area.
That's
that
what
remains
of
the
brick
paved
area
and
that's
where
new
transformers
and
electrical
panels
will
go
for
both
the
electrical
service
to
the
new
edition,
with
historic
city
hall
and
to
the
city,
annex
and
so
they're.
B
Within
then,
the
secure
office
space
for
council
members
and
staff,
we
have
a
replacement
staff
conference
room
to
replace
that
opposite
and
somewhat
larger
to
meet
the
needs
of
staff.
We
have
a
mayor's
office
which
has
room
for
both
a
full
desk
accompanying
shelving
and
conference
setup
facility
within
that
mayor's
office,
and
then
we
have
a
larger
council
members
space
which
we
can
discuss
in
more
detail
as
to
how
that
could
be
broken
down
into
like
a
receiving
space
in
a
workspace
and
so
forth.
B
B
B
We've
provided
when
you
cut
first,
come
through
that
semi
secure
entry,
there's
a
new
opening,
that's
cut
through
the
less
good
part
of
the
rear,
historic
elevation.
So
there's
a
kind
of
a
landing
here
if
you
like,
which
is
a
lobby
space
for
the
city
clerk's
department.
There
is
a
platform
left
in
there
to
go
down
the
four
feet
that
you
need
and
a
stair
also,
and
that
would
be
where
the
city
clerks
would
have
their
public
interface
with
a
glazed,
glazing
and
desk
and
so
forth.
B
B
At
the
what
you
could
consider
the
second
floor
of
this
base
option,
we
have
the
a
new
mechanical
penthouse,
which
is
above
the
new
addition.
So
the
new
addition
is
essentially
single
story,
although
the
ceiling
height
is
obviously
higher
in
the
council
chamber,
and
the
second
floor
is
only
of
office
spaces
only
within
the
historic
building
that
is,
for
the
finance
department
as
it
is
today,
the
bathrooms
are
refitted
so
that
they
are
ada
compliant,
which
does
mean
that
they'll
only
be
one
commode
in
each
bathroom.
B
The
historic
city
hall
is
they'll,
just
be
a
discrete
glass
railing,
so
you
can't
actually
use
it,
but
that
landing
can
become
breakout,
space
and
usable
and
it
provides
secure
access
to
the
finance
department.
So
the
finance
department
can
actually
control
who's
walking
in
and
it's
easily
legible
from
below.
For
members
of
the
public
who
are
coming
to
the
finance
department.
B
The
view
from
the
parking
lot
shows
that
colonnade
that
allows
people
to
come
under
cover
up
that
ada
accessible
ramp,
and
it's
perfectly
wide
enough
that
you
can
have
people
traveling
in
both
directions
and
the
view
from
harvey
street
doesn't
particularly
change,
because
we
try
to
tuck
as
much
of
the
addition
as
possible
behind
historic
city
hall
and
between
it
and
the
annex.
We
have
to
respect
fire
codes
with
regards
to
distance
from
the
annex.
We
can't
literally
be
right
up
against
it.
B
We
could
but
it'd
be
exceedingly
complex
and
so
the
view
from
harvey
street
really
barely
changes
and
the
council
chamber.
This
is
a
first
stab
at
how
that
could
be
fitted
out.
We
have
the
city,
manager
and
city
attorney
city
clerk
and
room
for
one
other
staff,
member
on
either
side
there
at
a
slightly
lower
elevation.
So
there
is
a
raised
deus
city
manager,
city
clerk
and
the
other
staff
members,
they're
they're
about
a
foot
higher
than
the
public,
and
then
yourselves
are
18
inches
higher
there
at
the
council.
B
Members
that
you
can
see
in
the
ark
the
ceiling
is
about
four
feet
higher
than
this
one.
So
I
think
that's
respectful
and
appropriate
for
a
space
that
is
larger
and
has
a
greater
number
of
people
in
it.
It
will
allow
for
greatly
improved
indoor
air
quality
and
it
will
also
allow
clear
story,
lighting
and
the
way
that
we've
located
the
council
chamber
means
all
those
windows
are
on
the
north
side,
so
you're
not
getting
any
direct
sunlight
through
them.
You're
not
getting
any
glare,
but
you'll
get
a
lot
of
natural
light.
B
Actually
in
the
council
chamber
itself,
which
I
think
always
makes
for
a
much
more
appropriate
space
and
a
much
nicer
space,
the
we
will
mold
the
walls
down
each
side
with
the
ceiling,
so
that
you're
not
just
kind
of
hanging,
monitors
and
so
forth.
But
we
can
integrate
those
into
the
room
itself,
along
with
all
the
electronics
and
so
on
that
feeds
them,
and
there
is
an
audio
visual
room
at
the
back
of
the
council
chamber,
so
there'll
be
a
window
into
the
space,
so
whoever's
operating
that
can
see
what
is
occurring.
B
So,
looking
back
at
the
plan,
if
I
just
backtrack-
because
I
know
I
know
off
by
heart-
but
that's
it's
easy
for
me,
where
the
space
is
at
the
back
of
the
historic
building
here
with
that
stair.
That
goes
up
towards
the
finance
department
and
the
future
second
floor
and
other
options
that
space
there.
That
I
said
ensures
that
the
north
wall
of
the
historic
building
becomes
an
interior
wall.
That
is
actually
a
double
height
space,
because
we
want
to
maintain
the
historic
integrity
of
city
hall.
B
So
what
we've
done
there
is
we've
taken
a
cut
through
the
building,
and
you
can
see
that
orange
line
on
the
key
plan.
That's
where
we're
slicing
the
building.
So
it's
a
bit
like
taking
a
cake
slicing
it
that
there
and
looking
back
towards
the
new
addition,
so
you've
got
the
historic
building
on
the
right
and
the
new
addition
on
the
left
and
the
stair
that
you're,
seeing
on
the
right
with
a
landing
that
then
curves
back
up
around.
B
B
And
then
this
view
is,
as
you
come
into,
that
city
gallery,
looking
straight
ahead
towards
where
the
fire
department
extension
was
on.
Your
left
is
the
stair
down
to
the
city
clerk
and
you
can
see
the
glass
wall
there
on
the
left
and
just
as
a
sidebar
comment,
any
new
partitions
that
we've
put
in
the
historic
building
we've
done
in
glass,
so
that
you
don't
compromise
the
historical
integrity
of
the
interior
of
the
historic
building.
B
And
you
read
it
still
as
the
historic
space
it
was,
but
you've
still
created
those
secure
divisions
and
that's
the
underside
of
that
stair
leading
up
to
the
finance
department
and
the
elevator
is
immediately
to
your
right
and
those
two
people
walking
towards
us
to
the
right
of
that,
because
it's
on
your
be
oblique,
it's
rather
black.
But
that's
the
glass
to
the
council
members
area
and
up
above
the
fire
department.
You've
got
the
clear
story
window
where
you're
seeing
the
oak
tree
through
it.
That's
on
harvey
street.
B
It's
it's
not.
I
mean
it's
the
size
of
the
city
clerk's
current
office
in
the
immediate
space
adjacent,
but
it
gives
it
gives
the
city
somewhere
to
hold
small
gatherings
where
you
might
well
have
food
and
drink
which
would
be
outside
of
council
chambers
itself.
So
we're
only
talking
about
gatherings
of
perhaps
20
people,
but
it's
that
kind
of
scale,
and
that
would
look
out
onto
the
landscaped
area
on
harvey
street,
which
obviously
is
quite
beautiful
with
the
tree
there.
B
And
that's
option
two
which
from
the
streets,
I
don't
think
anybody
would
really
notice
the
difference
from
harvey
street.
You
may
be
able
to
make
out
that
kind
of
at
the
back
of
the
drive
there,
where
you
access
city,
annex
parking,
that
there
is
two
stories
there.
But
again.
I
think
we
discreetly
tucked
it
away,
so
I'm
not
sure
how
many
people
would
actually
notice
and
we've
we've
tried
to
keep
our
heights
down,
because
we
don't
want
to
overshadow
the
historic
city
hall.
We
don't
want
to
be
some
new
structure,
that's
looming
over
it.
B
We
want
to
be
respectful,
so
even
on
the
tallest
option,
we're
trying
to
keep
the
mass
of
the
building
to
an
absolute
minimum
with
regards
to
its
effect
on
its
neighbors,
so
option
three
is
the
one
where
we
provide
additional
shell
office
space
for
your
future
needs
on
the
basis
that
this
is
an
investment
for
the
next
50
years.
Then,
given
the
growth
of
southwest
florida,
it
does
seem
likely
that
you
might
well
have
you
know
that
require
that
need
in
the
future.
B
So
the
first
floor
stays
exactly
the
same
as
in
the
previous
option.
The
second
floor
stays
exactly
the
same
as
in
the
previous
option
and
the
third
floor.
That's
the
red
there
providing
that
new
shell
office
space
for
the
future,
with
its
own
bathrooms
and
mechanical
space
and
access
to
the
same
elevator,
shaft.
J
If
I
could
just
make
a
comment
about
that
also,
while
it
is
labeled
as
future
space,
the
space
itself
can
have
some
very
useful
current
applications.
Also,
you
could
have
public
charrettes
in
there
anytime.
You
want
to
set
up
easels
anytime
you're,
looking
for
public
space
for
staff
presentations,
all
of
those
things
we
always
have
to
go
somewhere
else,
but
with
this
space
you
can
always
use
that
for
the
needs
that
we
have
when
we're
doing
those
type
presentations
or
having
public
venues
or
large
public
meetings.
J
B
Certainly,
can
it's
just
it's,
it's
obviously
less
capital
investment
immediately
right
and
it's
it's
always
a
hard
call.
There
are
buildings
that
design
like
that.
So
you
make
sure
everything
is
sized
for
that
third
floor.
The
problem
is,
is
when
you
come
to
build
that
third
floor.
You
have
to
rip
up
all
of
that.
Roofing
you've
got
to
remove
all
of
those
parapets
and
then
start
from
there.
So
building
that
third
floor
becomes
much
more
expensive
right.
F
J
B
And
you
you
would
take,
for
instance,
the
elevator
out
of
commission
during
that
process
at
a
future
date.
If
you
did
that,
and
so
a
lot
of
the
the.
B
G
This
type
of
plan-
this
is
how
well
at
lemon
bay
high
school.
It's
designed
like
this.
They
actually
have
another
floor
for
the
future
for
planning,
so
they
planned
in
their
design
of
the
high
school
for
the
growth
of
the
student
population
mark
so
because
I've
seen
the
cost
estimates
for
all
three
of
these.
G
Because
there's
going
to
be
a
lot
of
fixed
costs
to
prepare
for
the
eventuality
of
that
in
the
second
option,
the
second
option
actually
becomes
more
expensive
than
okay.
Do
you
have
that?
What
I'd
like
to
see
is
let
what
would
that
number
be?
So
we
have.
We
have
a
cost
for
option
one.
We
have
a
cost
for
option
two.
We
have
a
cost
for
option
three.
G
What
would
the
cost
for
option
two
be
if
we
were
going
to
prepare
for
doing
option
three
sometime
in
the
future
and
then,
let's
just
say,
we
were
going
to
do.
Take
two.
How
much
more
would
three
be
to
do
that?
Let's,
I
know
it's
very
hypothetical,
because
you
know
what
the
costs
are,
but
so
what
would
we
pay
today
to
do
option
two
and
prepare
for
three
and
then
what
would
three
be
later?
G
G
That's
what
I'd
like
to
see
that
because
I
think
it's
very
tempting
to
do
to
and
prepare,
but
I
have
a
feeling
that
when
you
look
at
that,
when
you
look
at
it
that
way-
and
you
look
at
that
type
of
progression,
right,
you're,
gonna,
you're,
gonna,
say
well
option
three
becomes
a
lot
more
realistic
and
thrifty
than
to
to
go
the
other
way.
I.
B
B
B
B
And
it's
hard
for
me
today.
We
could
do
it
at
the
next
stage,
because
we'll
have
actually
developed
the
structure
in
more
detail
and
so
on.
But
I
would
I
would
hazard
a
guess
that
the
extra
cost
you
would
pay
today
to
allow
the
third
floor
to
be
built
in
the
future
would
be
20
to
30
percent
of
the
difference
that
I
currently
show
between
two
and
three.
B
G
G
I
mean,
because
I
mean
that's
the
best
you
could
do,
because
you
don't
know
what
it's
going
to
be
20
or
30
years
right
now.
Absolutely.
But
if
we
finished
two
in
preparation
for
three
and
then
immediately
said,
should
have
had
a
v8
and
we
immediately
started
to
do
option
three.
You
could
cost
that
that's
what
I'd
like
to
see.
B
B
G
Because
I
think
I
think
three
is
going
to
be
the
like.
You
said
it's
the
most
efficient
to
do
it
today.
If
we
can
find
the
money
it
makes
the
most
sense,
but
it's
without
knowing
that
progression
and
where
you
go
to
four
all
of
a
sudden
two
looks
a
lot
more
appetizing
because
it's
cheaper
than
three
today
well,
I
would.
B
Say
off
the
record
that
if
you
do
what
you
say,
you're
I
mean
a
million
and
a
half
extra
seems.
You
know
that
to
me
seems
the
ballpark
without
prices
doing
anything
more
than
they're
doing
today,
and
that
is
a
major
caveat.
Today
I
mean
I
have
a
project
where
we're
providing
emergency
generators
and
so
on
and
it's
a
year
till
the
generator
comes
in,
and
that
sounds
okay.
G
We
could
take
that
battery
and
put
it
in
a
stack
to
power
this
building.
And
then,
when
you
have
another
truck,
go
and
another
one
another
one
that
stack
is
expandable.
It
can
get
big
enough
to
practically
power
the
city.
So
can
we
plan
for
and
then
you
don't
have
a
generator
right
and
you
have
power
solar
cells
that
recharge
keep
those
batteries
topped
up?
G
G
B
To
address
that,
and
and
many
other
things
to
be
honest
to
to
go
to
a
higher
level
of
lead,
certification
almost
inevitably
requires
in
florida
the
project
to
include
solar
panels,
which
is
one
reason
why
we
didn't
suggest
going
above
silver
because
they
typically
don't
have
a
10-year
payback
at
this
time.
So
that's
kind
of
the
lead
side
of
it.
J
And
back
to
what
you
were
saying
so
essentially
option
two:
if
it
took
five
hundred
thousand
dollars,
say
to
improve
option
two,
so
you
prepare
in
the
future
for
option
three
and
then
option
three
becomes
for
construction,
two
million
instead
of
one
point
two,
then
you
know
that
you've
increased
your
cost
by
almost
a
million
dollars
where
you
could
have
built
it
today.
You've.
G
B
So
that,
then,
is
the
views
from
the
surrounding
streets
of
option
three,
so
you
can
see
again,
I
would
say
from
marion
avenue
it
is
not
terribly
visible
and
actually,
since
we
did
these
renderings,
the
thought
is
that
if
you
did
go
to
option
three,
that
we
might
actually
look
at
cladding,
that,
in
the
kind
of
material
that
you
see
on
some
of
the
residential
houses,
immediately
adjacent
the
metal
roofs,
and
we
can
do
that
in
a
manner
that
actually
that
third
story
reflects
the
sky
and
actually
disappears
visually
to
some
extent,
so
that
you
read
really
a
two-story
building
with
a
not
terribly
discernible.
B
Addition
above
from
harvey
street,
you
do
start
to
notice
the
larger
mass
between
the
two
buildings,
but
it's
set
back
quite
some
distance
that
I
don't
think
that's
problematic
and
from
the
parking
lot,
although
obviously
immediately
adjacent
at
the
moment,
you
have
a
one-story
building.
If
that
lock
was
ever
built
to
your
current
form
based
code,
then
the
building
that's
built
there
is
going
to
basically
be
the
same
height
as
this.
This,
the
top
of
the
third
option,
is
38
feet
above
base
flood
elevation.
B
Many
residential
districts-
and
I
believe
this
is
true
for
you
too,
the
maximum
building
height
is
35
foot
above
base
flood
elevation.
So
we're
only
talking
about
something:
that's
three
foot
higher
than
you
could
build
in
a
residential
district
and
it
only
equates
to
about
two
feet
higher
than
the
top
of
the
annex.
B
We
have
the
probable
construction
cost
opinions
there,
so
the
historic
building
renovation,
that
price
is
constant
throughout
each
option,
because
it's
the
same
scope
of
work
each
time,
the
construction
of
the
new
addition
we've
priced
at
475,
a
square
foot
which
you
know
if
somebody
had
said
that
three
years
ago
I'd
have
said.
Well,
that's
that's
pretty
nice,
but
unfortunately,
today,
that's
just
the
street
market
value.
To
give
you
an
idea,
we're
doing
other
public
forty
thousand
square
foot
purely
administrative
buildings
at
425,
a
square
foot.
B
There's
there's
a
lot
of
infrastructure
cost
in
the
ground
for
this
because
of
everything,
that's
pre-existing
between
the
two
buildings.
So
I
I
think
at
this
point
in
time.
That's
a
reasonable
number.
It
does
include
some
allowance
for
cost
escalation
if
this
was
to
be
bid
according
to
schedule-
and
we
do
have
a
contingency
at
the
end
there
also
to
allow
for
anything
that
kind
of
develops
as
the
project
moves
forward.
B
The
construction
of
the
third
floor
as
shell
space
we've
done
at
350,
a
square
foot,
the
roofed
exterior
space
includes
the
front
entry
portico
there
and
also
the
ramped
access
from
the
public
parking
lot.
The
elevated
exterior
improvements
is
the
monumental
stair
and
the
space
around
that
at
the
very
front
and
then
landscaping.
We
have
an
allowance
and
the
council
chamber
technology.
We
have
an
allowance.
B
I
must
admit
I
took
a
second
look
at
that
when
my
engineer
told
me,
but
he
showed
me
what's
been
going
on
with
previous
council
chambers
and
if
you're
broadcasting,
as
well
as
doing
the
internal
audio
visual,
then
that
is
what
it
runs
at
and
then
we
have
the
professional
fees
which
obviously
haven't
changed
from
the
last
time
in
a
permitting
fees
allowance.
Also,
so
you
basically
end
up
with
eight
million
dollars
as
an
opinion
for
option
one
so
effectively.
A
single
story.
Option
gives
you
everything
you
have
expressed.
B
You
need
today,
but
literally
nothing
more
as
mitchell.
Quite
rightly
put
it
it's
kind
of
no
slack
and
just
in
time,
production.
There's
absolutely.
You
know
nothing
extra
and
that
that
actually
has
in
a
sense
it
has
less
square
footage
of
office
space
than
you
have
today,
because
it
doesn't
allow
for
the
estuary
program
to
come
back
into
this
facility
so
that
office
square
footage
is
actually
lost.
But
the
square
footage
you're
going
to
have
is
laid
out
so
much
more
efficiently
that
I
don't
have
any
concerns,
just
housing.
B
A
Yes,
with
the
way
that
the
chambers
are
going
to
be
built
now,
what
parking
is
it
taking
away
from
what
we
have
right
now.
B
So
the
count
the
new
council
chamber
is
effectively
built
on
the
grass
area
behind
this
building.
So
it
would
require
the
removal
of
that
one
tree
on
the
right
there
adjacent
to
the
parking
lot
and
we'd
have
to
remove
two
trees
on
the
kind
of
parking
island
optics.
That
will
be
where
the
new
transformer
will
be
for
this
project,
but
then
we
can
re-landscape
and
provide
more
trees
and
landscapes.
A
And
I
the
only
other
comments
that
I
had
from
my
committee
were
that
again.
Separation
of
the
podiums,
I
think,
is
very
important.
Okay
and
also,
I
know
at
one
point
vice
mayor-
was
talking
a
lot
about
a
knee
wall
security.
I
don't
know
that
that
was
in
there.
You
know
kind
of
a
security
from
the
audience
to
the
device.
F
F
B
So
my
takeaway
for
right
or
wrong
was
that
the
wall
was
considered
too
obstructive.
It's
obviously
very
simple
to
take
that
central
podium
and
make
two
podiums
out
of
it.
B
B
We
could
have
those
two
central
podiums,
and
I
would
suggest
that
transparent
glass
division,
then
on
either
side
could
be
had.
If
you
wanted
to
restrict
the
public
from
literally
being
able
to
walk
up
to
your
deus
desk.
A
With
that
and
the
only
other
comment
I
had
really
gotten
and
and
again,
this
is
just
from
a
few
people
that
have
looked
at
it.
Is
that
aesthetically
that
looking
from
the
outside
a
couple
comments
that
were
made
were
that
you
have
the
historic
building,
which
you
know
obviously
looks,
looks
historical
for
lack
of
better
terms,
and
you
have
the
new
addition
that
looks
so
contemporary,
and
is
that
too
much
of
a
stark
difference
between
keeping
the
historical
part
but
then
showcasing?
B
B
Because
and
again
it's
some.
It's
a
becomes
something
of
a
money
issue
but
for
instance,
if
those
front
columns,
I
think
it's
good
that
they're
different
from
the
others.
So
they
are
actually
square
in
plan,
but
for
instance,
we
could
start
to
flute
them.
So
then
you
get
a
little
play
of
light
and
shadow
across
the
columns
and
so
forth
and
that
that
provides
a
slightly
more
mellow
appearance.
B
B
You,
the
the
council
chamber,
remains
you
know
secure
and
private
and
people
can't.
You
know,
protest
at
the
doors
and
be
immediately
visible
outside,
but
it
it
kind
of
strikes
that
balance
between
having
a
somewhat
introvert
council
chamber
and
yet
a
building
that
is
definitely
open
and
accessible
and
democratic.
H
My
team
felt
that
you
kept
the
architectural
standards
by
making
it
be
the
line
you
know
like
you've
got
the
line
of
city
hall,
because
even
the
top
part
is
straight.
It's
not
like
this.
H
They
felt
that
it
was
nice
that
it
went
straight
across
kept
it
modern,
but
yet
it
felt
like
it
was
part
of
the
of
the
outer
envelope.
They
really.
They
really
appreciated
that,
and
you
know
frankly,
it
wasn't
even
something
I
had
noticed,
but
my
team
brought
it
up,
so
I
just
thought
I
would
share
that
with
you.
Thank.
B
F
G
J
The
structure
we're
in
right
now,
of
course,
was
built
in
1978,
so
that's
almost
45
years
ago,
the
ada
act
was
signed
into
law
by
president
bush
in
1990,
so
obviously
well
after
this
was
even
constructed
or
thought
of
so
you
know
when
you
look
at
what
this
building
itself
in
this
structure.
I
believe
there
was
some
calculation
that
if
you
even
tried
to
upgrade
everything
that
it
took
at
substantial
expense
and
make
this
ada
compliant
at
substantial
expense,
you
would
end
up
with
less
than
20
seats
in
the
audience
you
would
have
18.
J
I
believe
it
was
so
you
would
end
up
with
a
very
small
council
chamber
that
keeps
people
out
not
open
and
inviting,
like
it's
suggested
and
still
at
substantial
expense.
So
this
is
one
structure
that
we
have
the
government
center
parking
lot
that
you
see
in
your
capital
improvement
titles
of
the
projects.
This
is
in
total,
the
government
center
and
this
construction
project
between
council
chambers
and
historic
city
hall
is
one
structure
that
we're
looking
at
renovating.
H
J
Go
for
we
certainly
based
on
your
preference.
We
can
start
to
go
over
our
one
percent
sales
tax.
We
could
do
that
first
and
show
you
where
some
of
the
assumptions
are,
and
that
would
give
you
an
idea
of
what
maybe
you
could
use
for
whatever
option
you
choose
and
then
we
could
go
into
further
discussion
on
what
direction
you
want
to
go
with
it.
If
that's
what
you'd
like
to
do.
F
F
F
I
don't
know
that
I
like
it
anywhere
near
as
option
number
two,
but
that's
my
personal
choice
and
I
had
comments
from
my
my
committee
group
also
that
they
they
liked
option
number
two
because
of
that,
but
also
when
we
get
into
the
cost,
that's
going
to
be
a
real,
determining
factor
of
what
we
have
to
decide
and
so
option
number
three:
okay,
so
there
you
have
it.
F
So
it's
a
starting
point
and
we'll
get
into
the
one
percent
sales
tax
option
and
see
where
we
go,
because
we've
got
to
figure
out
where
the
money's
going
to
come
from.
At
this
point.
Okay,.
J
You
very
much-
and
we
have
also
discussed
some
things
with
the
county
they've
seen
some
of
their
projects
come
in
at
over
500
per
square
foot,
so
this
is
certainly
appropriate.
The
number
that
they're
projecting
and
they've
seen
projects
as
well
go
from
7
million
to
11
million
on
some
general
simplified
construction.
F
F
Debbie's
not
feeling
all
that
great,
so
she's
gonna,
probably
excuse
herself.
Okay,
all
right.
We
are
back
in
session
and
under
the
next
budget
agenda
item,
we're
going
to
start
with
the
one
percent
sales
tax
fund.
F
D
Okay,
so
the
one
percent
chris
and
simeone
for
the
record,
I'm
finance
director-
and
these
are
basically
construction
and
capital
improvement
program
and
we'll
talk
about
the
one
percent
sales
tax
first.
So
this
is
for
fiscal
year
23
through
fiscal
year
27,
and
this
program
only
includes
through
december
31st
2026,
as
that
is
our
current
extension
period.
D
D
D
So
we
do
show
you
the
proforma,
based
on
what
was
approved
by
city
council
last
year,
and
then
we
show
you
the
tier
two
and
unfunded
portions
of
the
projects
that
have
increased
due
to
cost
in
this
pro
forma.
You
see
in
fiscal
year,
2025
the
2
million
dollars
was
a
repayment.
D
So
in
fiscal
year
2022
we
had
anticipated
an
interfund
loan
from
the
special
use
fund,
specifically
the
fisherman's
village
sale
of
land,
to
continue
to
move
our
projects
forward,
but
then
paying
that
back
and
then
also
it's
important
to
note
on
here
and
the
undesignated
projects
when
you
look
at
fiscal
year,
2027
with
those
increased
revenues,
and
we
have
approximately
7.8
million
dollars
available
in
this
five-year
plan.
D
D
Those
are
some
of
the
projects
that
are
considered
somewhat
of
priority
because
they're
kind
of
in
process,
and
so
the
extra
funds
we
would
have
to
try
and
find
so
harbor
walk
west
area
2,
currently
is
in
progress
and
is
expected
to
be
completed
early
in
fiscal
year,
23.
D
D
You
just
had
that
presentation.
Currently,
what
was
in
the
unidentified
is
option
two,
so
we
can
come
back
to
that
in
a
minute,
complete
street
airport
road
improvements.
D
We
have
approximately
250
000
coming
from
impact
fees
and
then
689
000,
currently
unfunded
on
that
project.
Ponce
de
leon
park
improvements.
This
project
has
been
done
in
phases,
so
some
of
those
that
had
three
different
funding
sources.
We
had
700
000
from
the
special
use
fund
from
the
fish
sale
of
the
fishville
land.
D
Next
we
have
the
harborwalk
ada
us41
south
bronx
bridge
ramp-
that
is
an
f
dot
project.
So
currently
fda
has
allocated
367
thousand
dollars
towards
that
project.
But
with
the
estimated
in
costs
it's
123
000,
that's
unfunded,
u.s,
41,
bridge
approach,
lighting.
We
have
120
000
allocated
and
380
000
unfunded
we
get
to
the
next
one.
Is
freeman
house
preservation
this
project?
We
are
trying
to
get
a
grant
for
if
we
do.
If
we
are
successful
in
that
grant,
we
would
still
have
to
find
a
portion
of
that.
But
currently
unfunded
is
600.
D
D
Then
we
have
the
ada
improvement
city
wide
and
we
have
130
000
in
each
year
scheduled
bayfront
activity
center
we've
got
165,
000
unfunded,
public
safety
building
expansion.
D
D
Then
we
have
sri
street
complete
street
improvements.
We've
been
doing
this
project
in
phases
and
there's
about
90
000
unfunded
on
that
project.
Complete
street
cooper
street
improvements.
D
There
was
approximately
a
million
put
aside
an
unfunded
tier
two
and
the
rest
of
the
project.
Approximately
three
million
is
unfunded,
complete
street
us
17,
there's
519
000
in
the
plan,
and
that
would
be
for
the
architectural
or
like
city
standards
such
as
lighting
for
that
project.
That
project
was
originally
going
to
be
done
by
the
city,
with
f
dot
help
but
f
dot
took
that
project
over.
D
We
have
the
traffic
signal
burnt,
store,
road
and
home
depot.
We
have
345
000
in
the
unfunded
tier
2
and
755
000
unfunded
and
us41
complete
street
airport
to
carmelita.
D
D
the
orange
highlighted
items
again
were
the
ones
that
we
considered
more
priority
because
they
were
currently
under
moving
forward.
C
G
J
I
J
H
When
I
went
to
chief
briggs
retirement
thing,
one
of
the
officers
gave
me
a
quick
tour
and
if
we
have
any
more
fire
fighters
join
they're
going
to
be
sleeping
in
the
trucks.
J
D
Well,
it
does
for
the
one
percent
sales
tax
the
when
we
get
to
when
we
move
back
and
talk
about
general
construction.
D
That
was
our
suggestion
is
that,
with
the
public
safety
impact
fees
start
doing
the
construction
and
fisc
the
design
and
engineering
and
fiscal
year
trying
to
get
started.
H
J
J
You
can
see
the
orange
that
those
are
the
ones
that
are
moving
forward
that
are
more
priority,
so
their
position
on
that
list
doesn't
mean
that's
the
priority
that
we're
moving
the
project
forward
because
the
ones
in
orange
aren't
you
know
the
first
five
or
six
they're
down
the
list
various
locations,
because
they
were
important
to
move
forward
and
are
moving
forward.
But.
J
J
J
If
you
look
at
the
sheets
in
the
packet,
it
gives
you
a
lot
of
good
information.
It
gives
you
the
account
that
it's
paid
from
the
estimates,
the
justifications,
the
priority
and
goals
from
our
plans
that
each
ranked
is
by
priority
and
goal
the
community
impact.
And
then,
when
you
look
at
the
financial
information,
it
not
only
tells
you
what
the
calls
for
design
construction
equipment
et
cetera
is
independently,
but
also
the
funding
sources
and
how
their
list
where
they
come
from
and
then
any
operational
impact.
J
F
A
J
Kristen
can
correct
me,
though,
okay,
so
basically
what
we
have
funded
on
the
right
hand.
Side
is
an
additional
four
million,
eight
hundred
and
seventy
thousand.
J
So
when
we
look
at
the
9.8
that
you
see
as
the
total
project
cost
and
take
the
4
million
off
on
the
right,
the
870
was
really
what
we
still
needed
to
fund
to
get
our
5.8
million
previously,
because
that
was
a
previous
cost
testament.
Plus
we
had
the
design
of
the
project.
We
have
other
expenses,
such
as
we're
leasing
the
military
heritage
museum.
We
have
employees
that
are
at
the
herald
court
center
instead
of
here,
and
they
were
aside
from
that
also
those
project
expenses.
So
this
was
not
just
construction.
J
J
9.2
is,
what's
included
in
this
suggested,
set
of
numbers
that
you're
looking
at
right
now.
So
when
you
look
at
the
unfunded
tier
2,
for
example,
you
have
things
like
public
safety
building
expansion,
funding
that
other
159,
the
1.2
in
the
historic
district.
All
that
unfunded
tier
2
comes
out
to
3.8
million
dollars
that
you
see
at
the
bottom.
J
So
that's
3.8
in
unfunded
tier
2
that
are
kind
of
like
the
next
priority
over
then
we
have
the
far
right
column
which,
if
you
add
all
these
orange
numbers
down,
except
the
4
million
for
city
hall.
You
come
to
the
number
on
the
bottom.
That's
highly
er!
That's
in
bold
there
that
says
2.061
million.
So
we
know
if
we
do
all
the
unfunded
tier
2
for
3.8
million
and
all
the
priority
projects
in
the
orange,
except
for
the
4
million
of
city
hall.
We
need
3.8
and
2
million
is
5.8.
J
So
if
you
add
another
4
million
for
city
hall,
we
need
9.8
total
to
do
all
those
projects
as
they
currently
are
presented
here.
So
if
you
look
at
our
ending
balance
in
2027,
we
have
7.8
almost
7.9
and
we
have
2
million,
that's
being
paid
back
that
if
that
becomes
a
funding
source.
Instead
of
paying
that
back
to
the
special
use
fund,
7.8
and
2
million
is
9.8.
J
What
do
we
need
over
here
to
do
all
those
projects,
including
the
middle
tier
of
city
hall,
9.8
million,
and
what
do
we
have
available?
9.8
million,
so
it's
balanced
from
that
perspective,
if,
indeed,
you
want
to
take
the
9.8
from
city
hall
and
add
another
1.5
to
that
so
we'd
be
at
11.3,
then
total,
which
would
include
10.7
for
construction
and
then
the
other
miscellaneous
costs
that
are
in
there
for
design,
for
example.
The
gentleman
that
was
just
here
would
pay
him.
J
G
So,
just
just
so
I
understand,
then
so
we
balance
right
doing
the
extra
or
the
expansion
at
the
public
safety
building.
We
balance
so
we're
not
talking
about
a
trade-off
between
the
one,
that's
already
in
this
money,
so
we're
only
looking
for
1.5
and
that
includes
being
able
to
do
all
the
rest
of
this
stuff,
including
the
public
safety
building.
J
Well,
that
includes
everything
in
tier
2
and
what's
in
the
orange
now
there's
another
million
dollars
in
the
public
safety
building,
for
example,
that
will
be
funded
in
later
years
because
we're
not
there.
Yet
we
have
to
go
through
design.
Then
we
have
to
go
through
actually
concepts
design
and
then
we
get
to
construction
that
will
be
funded
at
a
later
time.
It's
not
part
of
the
6.9,
that's
funded.
G
F
From
2016,
when
we
did
the
fisherman's
village,
land
sale,
I've
been
begging
the
city
staff
to
not
use
the
money
in
that
special
use
fund
until
we
absolutely
needed
to
use
it.
You
will
attest.
We've
been
in
these
meetings
for
six
years
now,
and
this
is
the
absolute
time
that
we
should
probably
use
that
money
and
my
opinion
is
that
should
be
at
least
two
million
dollars
of
the
funding
source.
F
I
this
is
the
money
was
to
be
used
for
a
one-time
use.
This
is
the
perfect
opportunity
to
take
that
money
and
add
it
to
what
we
need
it
for
and
it'll
at
least
get
us
to
the
option,
two
level
with
what
we
have
left
over
after
we
do
the
unfunded
tier
two
and
the
things
in
orange,
plus
the
two
million
that
gets
us
to
at
least
option
two,
and
then
we.
If
we,
if
you
guys,
are
supportive
of
option
three,
then
we've
gotta
come
up
with
a
million
and
a
half.
D
So
a
couple
options,
so
fishville
would
have
another
170
000
available.
If
we
want
to
say
hey
just
finish
up
using
that
we
did
have
the
that
taking
of
the
bel
air
property
that
we're
going
to
be
selling.
So
if
the
sale
from
that
could
be
used
towards
the
city
hall,
because
it
is
again
a
what
would
be
a
one-time
revenue,
we
were
thinking
on
the
ada
improvements
citywide,
maybe
the
first
two
years,
23
and
24
could
be
towards
the
historic
city
hall,
because
there
are
going
to
be
ada
improvements.
D
We
don't
want
to
take
the
whole
five
years
because
there's
other
city
projects
that
need
ada
funding
as
well.
Then,
if
any
again,
we've
we've
been
conservative
in
our
revenue
numbers.
You
know
we
always
try
to
be
conservative,
but
we
would
say:
maybe
if,
in
the
next
year
anything
comes
in
higher,
we
would
start
setting
those
aside
specifically
for
historic
city
hall,.
D
D
Maybe
we
use
that
in
the
meantime
and
can
find
a
different
funding
source
for
that
later
when
it,
when
it
does
move
forward.
D
G
F
J
F
J
Well,
we
have
option
two,
that's
essentially
funded,
and
you
know
personally,
I
think
that
gives
us
some
flexibility
into
the
near
future
with
some
of
our
conference
rooms
and
different
things
that
if
we
had
to
rob
them,
we
could
turn
into
office
space
and
those
kind
of
things.
J
But
if
the
money
is
available
and
approved,
if
we're
looking
at
long
term
option,
three
is
certainly
the
one
that
long
term
is
of
more
benefit
to
the
city,
especially
if
we
turn
that
into
some
current
use,
not
just
for
future
office
space,
but
if
we
have
current
use
for
that,
whether
it
be
you
know,
public
meeting
space
or
any
of
the
other
things,
I
enumerated
it's
really
for
what
we
can
use
it
for
now,
as
we
grow
into
that
space,
not
in
the
future,
and
I
think
part
of
that
goes
back
to
the
infrastructure
cost
we
would
have
to
spend.
J
If
you
know,
I
think,
at
the
very
minimum
we
should
provide
for
that,
but
if
we're
spending
a
lot
of
infrastructure
cost
just
so,
we
can
build
that.
You
know
in
five
years
or
ten
years
and
all
of
a
sudden
we've
cost
another
million
or
a
million
and
a
half
dollars
that
he
referenced.
Then
I
think
from
business
model.
It's
it's
more
palatable
to
build
that
now
and
use
the
space
that
they
would
build
as
we
grow
into
it
in
the
future
and
then
we're
set
for
quite
a
while.
F
D
J
Essentially,
on
this,
you
can
see
that
you
know
we
kind
of
took
the
middle
of
the
road
on
the
9.2
option,
just
because
that
was
the
middle
and
we
didn't
know
which
way
it
was
going.
J
But
if
indeed
the
other
option
is
the
preference.
We
think
that
the
revenues
are
still
conservative.
So
if
we
dedicated
any
additional
revenues
to
that
project,
and
then
we
have
a
source
such
as
the
belair
property
that
we
can
add
that
number
to
it,
which
takes
the
overall
requirement
down.
J
We
know
that
that's
coming
into
city
council
soon
to
determine,
if
indeed
you
want
to
put
that
out
for
bid,
and
if
you
do
one-time
money
we
could
dedicate
to
the
project
and
then,
of
course,
something
like
you
know:
the
million
in
the
unfunded
tier
two,
which
is
the
henry
street
property.
If
you
look
at
that,
you
know
we
already
have
almost
two
million
funded
there,
so
that
million's
been
sitting
there
for
a
while
waiting
for
either
peace
river
or
something
to
happen
on
henry
street
before
we
have
to
even
start
spending
that
money.
H
C
E
E
The
magistrate
more
or
less
disappeared
and
and
in
fact
on
your
on
on
the
consent
agenda,
was
an
invoice
for
the
magistrate
and
it
took
a
lot
to
get
the
law
firm
that
the
magistrate
worked
for
to
to
get
the
magistrate
to
do
what
needed
to
be
done
in
order
to
finalize
it
and
that
took
an
inordinate
amount
of
time
now,
even
before
the
magistrate
got
involved,
because
the
courts
weren't
all
that
familiar
with
this
type
of
proceeding,
it
took
a
while
to
get
the
court
to
do
what
it
needed
to
do.
E
So
it
was
just
you
know,
one
thing
after
another
that
caused
delays
that
were
clearly
not
anticipated,
but
we
are
finally
over
and
so
you'll
hear
have
coming
before
you
an
opportunity
to
decide
what
to
do
with
that
property.
J
F
J
Well,
we
were
what
we
were
looking
at
and
we
talked
about
getting
some
comps
is
really
the
value
of
the
lot
is
really
the
number
we're
looking
at
anticipating
getting
back
from
that
the
house
itself.
Of
course
you
could
fix
it
up.
I
guess
if
you
were
so
inclined,
but
you
know
it
may
just
be
torn
down
and
rebuilt
into
something
different.
D
D
C
G
F
I
took
a
screenshot
of
that
screen
and
the
difference
between
two
and
three
is
9.194
million
versus
10.794
million.
So
it's
a
it's
roughly
a
million
and
a
half.
So
all
right.
Let's,
let's
do
a
vote
and.
F
F
A
Yes,
can
I
ask
a
question
on
slide
six,
if
you
could
just
explain
it
for
the
record.
I
had
a
question
as
to
you
know.
Looking
at
that,
you
see
the
one
percent
sales
tax
and
the
number
is
you
know
constant.
Then
it
goes
down
in
27,
but
yet
are
the
reserves
are
increasing
so.
D
Yeah
yeah,
so
the
biggest
reason
before
that
was
there
was
the
revenues
were
higher
than
the
expenditures
in
that
year.
So
again
it
was
based
on
the
five-year
plan
or
the
plan
that
we
had
last
year.
A
I
guess,
but
the
question
is
proposed
because
I
guess,
when
you're
looking
at
reserves,
you're
kind
of
thinking
the
fact
that
it's
reserved
for
something
else-
and
the
question
was
that
well,
if
we're
trying
to
get
all
this
done,
why
are
our
reserves
going
so
much
higher?
Why
are
we
not
just
using
that
money
to
get
things
done
right.
D
And
you'll
notice
on
this
one,
even
though
we
call
it
beginning
reserves
when
we
have
it
at
the
end,
we're
calling
them
undesignated
projects,
because
council
at
any
time
can
decide
hey.
This
is
the
project
I
want
to
fund
so
there
they
have
to
be
used
on
projects
and
infrastructure
projects.
It's
not
as.
A
D
Exactly
and
I
think
a
lot
of
times
in
the
plan,
we
had
all
these
projects,
but
not
all
of
them
are
able
to
move
forward
at
the
same
speed.
Thank
you.
J
You
may
have
said
this,
but
it's
very
important
to
have
a
lot
of
these
projects
in
the
plan,
whether
they're,
funded
or
not,
because
when
we
look
at
grants
and
different
opportunities
that
arise.
One
of
the
first
questions
is:
do
you
have
it
in
an
approved
plan
and
when
we
can
say
yes,
then
the
application
is
going
to
move
forward.
So.
D
Okay,
okay,
so
we'll
move
back
to
general
construction,
if
that's
okay
and
it
should
go
fairly
quickly.
A
lot
of
these
projects
are
projects
that
we
have
annually.
So
I'll,
probably
just
focus
on
the
ones
that
have
changes
but
again,
general
construction
fund
accounts
are
for
capital
improvement
projects
again
that
are
available
from
general
funds,
sometimes
they're
from
special
revenue
funds.
Other
sources
are
grants,
transfers,
financing
and
contributions
and
again
they
generally
provide
a
citywide
benefit.
D
So
again
we
put
together
the
five
year
plan
and
we
show
you
the
various
revenue
sources
up
top.
So
that's
where
you
see
your
general
fund
revenues,
impact
fees
from
parks,
mobility
and
public
safety,
helping
to
fund
some
of
these
projects,
and
some
of
these
projects,
like
I
said,
you'll,
see
on
multiple
slides,
so
some
of
the
one
percent
sales
tax
you
might
see
on
this
slide
as
well,
because
again,
there's
multiple
funding
sources.
D
So,
under
general
funding
we
have
the
national
pollutant
discharge,
elimination
system,
that's
annual
20
000
per
year
storm
sewer
reconstruction
is
75
000
per
year
and
again,
both
of
those
anytime.
The
funds
aren't
spent.
They
do
carry
over
because
sometimes
there's
larger
projects
that
are
needed
to
be
done
and
they're
accumulating
the
funds
for
bridge
repair.
It's
normally
10
000
per
year,
however,
for
fiscal
year
23
they
needed
a
little
bit
additional.
I
think
they're
working
on
three
different
bridges
next
year,
so
that
is
why
they
asked
for
a
little
increase
the
drainage
improvement
program.
D
This
is
the
swale
drainage
that
we're
talking
about
so
last
year
it
had
been
reduced
to
200
000
per
year.
After
looking
at
the
program,
the
division
thought
they
needed
300
000
per
year
to
continue
to
fund
those
projects,
lashley
park,
playground
and
interactive
fountain.
This
project
did
increase
it's
now,
an
estimated
905
thousand,
so
50
000
was
from
general
fund
and
then
we'll
talk
about
some
of
the
other
funding
sources.
D
As
we
move
down
the
list,
freeman
house
preservation,
we
talked
about
before
on
the
general
fund
side,
that's
32,
000
from
insurance
proceeds,
the
wooden
composite
pathways,
peers
and
docks.
Currently,
we've
been
budgeting
a
hundred
thousand
per
year.
The
division
did
ask
for
an
increase
in
26
and
27
to
150
000
again
as
our
infrastructure
ages.
They
anticipate
more
repairs
on
the
channel
in
basin
dredging
at
the
boat
club
area.
D
Part
of
this
project
had
us
a
concrete
dock
replacement.
12
000
had
been
set
aside
in
fiscal
year
2022.
The
current
estimate
for
that
project
is
30
000..
So
in
fiscal
year
23
we
need
an
additional
18
000.
D
king
street
improvements
also
increased.
It
was
80
000
increase
overall,
but
this
project
was
being
funded
from
two
funding
sources,
so
again,
20
from
general
funding
and
80
for
mobility
impacts.
So
this
project
did
increase
16
000
for
the
general
fund
from
when
we
looked
at
it
last
year,
railroad
crossing
rehabilitation.
Again
these
are
based
on
the
railroad
coming
to
us
and
telling
us
which
crossings
they
plan
on
rehabilitating.
D
We
did
complete
one
of
the
four
in
fiscal
year
2022
for
fiscal
year
23
through
25.
We
did
increase
the
estimates
a
little
bit,
but
again
we
will
be
at
whatever
comes
from
the
railroad.
So
hopefully
we
did
increase
it
enough.
D
D
D
We
currently
have
the
funds
set
aside,
and
this
is
where
we're
going
to
put
some
more
funds
from
park,
impacts
to
cover
that
increasing
cost
to
the
lashley
park,
playground
and
interactive
fountain,
we'll
probably
have
to
do
a
small
interfund
loan
and
then
pre-pay
it
back
with
those
park,
impact
fees,
henry
street
property
improvements,
again,
multiple
funding
sources
and
some
of
the
funding
for
like
say
for
the
hounds
on
henry
park.
We
have
it
scheduled
in
25-27
again.
D
D
under
mobility
impacts
in
fiscal
year
22
we
have
approximately
222
000
for
sidewalk
improvements
and
then
we're
using
funds
for
the
future
years
for
specific
projects,
so
historic
district
infrastructure,
king
street
improvements
and
the
complete
street
airport
road
improvements
for
public
safety.
This
is
where
we're
going
to
ask
for
the
450
000
to
be
used
in
fiscal
year,
23
to
get
moving
on
design
and
engineering
for
that
expansion
project
and
then,
in
the
out
years.
D
D
The
next
schedule
is
the
unfunded
projects,
and
this
just
put
this
one.
This
particular
slide
is
a
slide
for
that.
You've
already
seen
all
these
projects
on
either
the
general
construction
or
the
one
percent
sales
tax.
This
was
the
portion
that
we
considered
unfunded
on
any
of
the
projects
that
are
already
in
the
plan,
and
then
we
also
do
show
you
a
project
within
city
boundaries,
that's
being
done
by
fdot
as
well.
That
hasn't
been
mentioned
before,
but
the
us41
at
carmelita
street
extension.
D
This
following
slide
are
completely
unfunded
projects
at
this
time,
so
they
have
zero
funding
sources
at
all.
At
the
moment,
the
first
two
are
new
are
new
and
the
rest
is
the
exact
same
information
that
was
provided
last
year.
We
did
not
go
ahead
and
increase
the
estimated
costs
yet
since
they're
not
ready
to
move
forward,
but
the
first
project
is
the
living
shoreline.
Tiki
point:
harbor
walk
both
the
city
and
schnepp
have
applied
for
grants.
We
are
waiting
for
grant
agreements
so
hopefully
that
project
will
be
funded.
D
The
next
one
is
lashley
pier
and
the
lashley
pier
is
we're
currently
estimating
at
a
million.
So
we
had
a
project
to
do
some
sidewalk
work
over
at
the
marina
and
public
works
when
they
went
to
go
review
that
found
that
there's
some
degrading
of
concrete
underneath
the
pier
that
will
need
some
work.
We
have
put
an
estimate
in
of
a
million
dollars.
We
don't
know
if
that's
enough,
but
currently
that
is
a
project.
That's
maybe
coming
forward
at
some
point.
F
C
I've
I've
been
and
for
the
record
brian
clemens
interim
public
works
director.
I've
been
going
out
and
looking
at
it,
I'm
trying
to
keep
an
eye
on
it,
but
I
didn't
expect
this
to.
We,
we've
been
trying
to
get
someone
to
inspect
it
for
quite
some
time,
and
I
didn't
expect
it
to
get
drawn
that
out
this
far.
C
F
D
D
I
won't
read
it
to
you,
but
some
of
them
are,
you
know
again
talking
about
building
heights
need
for
street
lighting
on
sullivan
and
taylor,
additional
garbage
maintenance,
downtown
additional
infrastructure
in
the
historic
district
in
electric
charging
stations
that
are
pay
as
you
go
encouragement
of
development
of
the
city
marketplace
with
any
potential
viable
developer:
encouragement
of
the
county
to
develop
an
elevated
parking
lot
or
structure
at
the
event
center
beautification
of
u.s
41
corridors,
commercial
annexation,
having
a
forum
for
businesses
to
discuss,
permit
issues
with
staff
and
online
availability
for
all
permit
functions.
D
So,
despite
a
lot
of
things
that
we've
seen
increasing,
we've
had
to
continue
to
try
to
work
to
keep
those
costs
down
our
current
financial
policy.
Again,
we
try
to
have
current
revenues
equal,
our
current
expenditures,
and
we
try
to
avoid
the
use
of
one-time
revenues
to
fund
ongoing
expenditures
and
again
we
continue
to
progress
towards
achieving
a
balanced
budget
without
relying
on
reserves.
So
that's
a
city
strategy
and
goal.
D
D
Other
revenue
estimates
were
projecting
anywhere
from
zero
to
two
percent
increases,
but
that's
over
our
fiscal
year,
22
projections,
so
our
projections
are
coming
in
higher
than
original
budget
for
fiscal
year
2022.
So
again
we
still
try
to
be
conservative,
but
still
taking
advantage
of
those
increased
revenues
that
we're
seeing.
D
We
estimate
one
percent
increase,
but
once
all
the
budgets
are
done,
then
we
will
actually
do
the
correct
allocation
and
adjust.
Accordingly,
we
did
find
we
had
an
awarded
map
grant
starting
for
october
1
2022,
so
that
would
give
us
an
extra
eighty,
two
thousand
three
hundred
and
twenty
five
dollars
in
revenue
with
the
associated
increase
in
expenditures
in
our
pro
forma
and
for
fiscal
year
2023
we
did
estimate
the
safer
grant
for
the
fire
department.
An
application
has
been
submitted.
D
D
A
K
A
Question
was
proposed
is
a
10
increase
in
workers.
Comp
in
regards
to
the
policy
amount
that
you're
paying,
or
is
it
in
regards
to
the
claims
that
we've
had
because
we
saw
a
safety
officer
is
going
to
be
hired,
the
thought
was:
isn't
the
safety
officer's
job
is
to
keep
workers
comp
costs
down?
Yes,.
D
So
that
will
be
coming,
but
our
the
policy
is
what
we're
estimating
the
10
increase
in
and
what
happens
is
we
have
our
policy
with
our
workers
comp
and
our
general
liability
together?
So
sometimes
some
years
they
go.
One
goes
up
more
than
the
other,
so
on
average
we've
seen
10
increases,
but
some
years
it's
actually
been
less
or,
and
then
the
general
liabilities
a
little
higher.
D
C
C
1819
was
a
really
bad
year
for
our
workers.
Comp
claims
so
we're
anxious
to
see
that
one
roll
off
of
our
history
and
then
we'll
get
some
better
things
so
kind
of
expecting
a
bigger
increase
this
year
than
normal
and
then
next
year
we
should
see
a
decrease,
and
yes,
we're,
certainly
hopeful
that
the
addition
of
the
safety
position
is
going
to
help
limit
the
number
of
injuries
that
we
get
on
the
job
as
well.
J
And
one
of
the
things
we've
seen
with
that
and
an
adjustment
on
top
of
that
also
is
that,
as
we
progress
through
the
years
and
staff
has
been
reduced
somewhat,
we
used
to
have
people
in
various
departments,
especially
operating
departments
that
were
functioning
as
sort
of
a
training
officer,
and
they
would
make
sure
I
mean
the
amount
of
training
that's
required
in
each
of
those
departments
is
enormous,
and
some
of
that
just
they
do
not
now
have
the
time
to
get
to
which
increases
our
liability
increases
our
potential
claims
and
increases
the
ability
for
someone
to
say
well,
I
was
never
told
when
they
do
get
hurt
and
lawsuits
to
the
city,
so
this
has
the
potential
of
not
only
providing
adequate
training,
so
our
employees
stay
safe,
but
also
reducing
the
liability
of
the
city
substantially.
D
Thank
you,
so
six
percent
increase
in
health
insurance
and
we
hope
to
get
our
health
insurance
number
soon.
So
we'll
probably
be
able
to
come
back
to
you
with
that
early
july
defined
contribution,
pension
plan
up
matt.
We
are
currently
matching
up
to
10
percent,
the
general
pension
cost.
Citywide
again
we
have
been
using
a
flat
amount
city-wide.
So
sometimes
that
does
affect
the
general
fund
either
up
or
down
it
just
depends
who's
retiring
or
entering
the
drop
program.
D
D
Again
the
departments
did
an
awesome
job
really
trying
to
stay
within
the
three
percent
guidelines
that
had
been
given
by
council.
So
we
only
mentioned
the
ones
that
had
to
go
over
three
percent
and
the
reasons
why
so
for
city
clerk
they
had
an
additional
need
for
some
equipment
for
their
new
position.
D
D
Right-Of-Way
increases
are
for
training
of
new
employees
and
additional
additional
costs
for
cdl
training.
As
you
know,
the
cdls
are.
We
can
no
longer
use
an
in-house
program,
we
have
to
go
out
and
the
costs
are
a
little
more
expensive
police
department
for
repair
and
maintenance
for
autos
boats
and
various
specialty
equipment,
veterinary
services
for
the
third
canine
and
uniforms
to
include
an
upgrade
of
rain
gear
to
provide
higher
visibility
for
safety.
D
There's
a
temporary
handyman
in
there
for
facilities
for
half
a
year
in
urban
design.
They
had
an
increase
in
their
planning,
comprehensive
planning
studies.
So
originally
it
had
75
000..
It's
now
150
000.
general
liability.
D
Again,
we
have
an
estimate
of
5
percent
when
we
get
those
rates
they're
usually
towards
after
we've,
already
completed
our
budget,
and
we
make
the
adjustments
and
then,
after
the
approval,
computer
overhead,
as
three
percent
increase,
we
were
able
to
keep
that
at
three
percent
working
with
it
using
some
carryover
funds
that
they
had
available
for
this
year.
D
They
don't
always
have
that,
but
they
did
have
some
and
kind
of
reducing
the
list
to
make
sure
to
what
we
could
actually
get
to
within
the
in
the
fiscal
year,
rental
space
for
city,
council
and
board
meetings,
and
then
we
had
some
funding
in
there
for
operating
expenditures
at
halo
court.
There
was
a
few
things
we
didn't
include,
so
we
had
to
up
that
for
some
like
the
telecommunication
costs
that
were
needed.
So
we.
G
D
J
J
D
D
That
also
includes
the
millage
rate
for
the
county,
staying
the
same,
which
was
really
on
the
cra
side,
I'm
so
sorry
and
then
no
change
in
transfers
for
the
road
resurfacing
program,
the
drainage
program
we
talked
about
hundred
thousand
dollar
increase,
and
then
these
are
all
the
projects
that
had
the
increases
in
fiscal
year,
23
that
we
talked
about
previously.
D
D
D
D
I
could
not
get
that
to
work
yet
this
year,
because
of
fiscal
year,
24.,
there's
just
some
large
pieces
of
equipment
that
were
causing
it
to
be
over.
However,
I
was
able
to
keep
the
average
at
the
840
over
the
five-year
plan,
so
you'll
see
200
000
extra
in
24
and
then
100
000
each
reduced
in
26
and
27..
D
Again,
when
we
look
at
next,
when
we
come
back
next
year
and
working
at
this
plan,
the
divisions
will
evaluate
their
equipment
determine
if
they
can
maybe
have
something
that
will
last
an
extra
year
and
move
things
out
so
a
lot
of
times
from
one
year
to
the
next.
You
see
things
moving
back
and
forth
between
years
trying
to
determine
where
they
really
will
be
replaced.
J
And
these
are
based
on
our
replacement
policies
in
actual
use.
So
we
look
at
the
equipment
each
piece
each
year,
so
one
of
its
safety.
Of
course
I
mean
you
can
stretch
things
too
far,
sometimes
but
you'll
see
in
the
budget
reappropriations
at
the
end
of
the
year.
Sometimes
there's
pieces
of
equipment
that
haven't
been
purchased.
That's
because
we
could
stretch
it
out
a
little
further
and
if
it's
not
needed,
we
don't
do
it
but
inversely.
J
If
someone
says
it's
a
really
critical
need
at
the
beginning
of
the
year,
it's
going
to
fall
apart
and
by
the
beginning,
and
next
year
it
hadn't
been
purchased.
It's
probably
not
needed.
So
we
also
look
at
the
justifications
and
make
sure,
what's
actually
said,
is
what's
needed
so
that
we
can
have
a
very
few
revenue
requirement.
Spikes
in
our
capital
plan,
like
kristen,
said
so
we
can
even
it
out
each
year
and
over
the
course
of
the
five
years.
D
D
And
then
we
have
our
service
level
enhancements.
This
is
per
the
five
year
planning
recommended
planning.
The
only
position
that
was
moved
out
from
fiscal
year
23
to
24
was
the
finance
position.
D
So
this
is
just
a
reminder
of
what
that
plan
was
and
which
divisions
were
requesting
positions,
and
then
each
division
did
have
to
provide
an
updated
justification
to
support
these
positions.
D
So
for
again,
we
have
the
human
resources
safety
officer
or
coordinator,
which
is
a
one
fte
which
is
full-time.
Equivalent
annual
costs
are
approximately
77
100
and
there's
one-time
costs
for
a
vehicle
and
computer
equipment
city
records.
City
clerk
has
a
records
coordinator,
82
500,
overall
69
500
is
considered
the
annual
cost
13
000
for
scanner
and
computer
equipment
got
the
buyer
assistant
66
600
again.
Sixty
three
thousand
is
the
annual
three
thousand
for
one
time
costs.
D
Facilities
maintenance
worker
three:
ninety
eight
thousand
one
hundred
annual
cost,
approximately
fifty
nine
thousand
one
hundred
with
thirty
nine
thousand
for
a
vehicle
and
equipment,
a
right-of-way
worker.
Ninety
two
thousand
nine
hundred
annual
cost.
Fifty
four
thousand
nine
hundred
and
one-time
cost
of
thirty
eight
thousand
again
for
vehicle
and
equipment.
D
A
police
detective,
150,
000
so
again,
85
87
000
is
the
annual
approximate
costs
with
60
63
000
for
vehicle
and
equipment
and
evidence
in
crime,
scene
tech
also
in
the
police
department.
So
the
police
detective
obviously
is
a
swarm
position.
The
next
position
was
a
non-sworn
position.
D
73
700.
They
would
so
that's
all
annual
costs.
They
would
share
a
vehicle
with
the
current
position.
D
Firefighters
currently
in
the
plan
is
seven
full-time
firefighters,
six
hundred
and
sixty
thousand
eight
hundred,
we
gave
you
the
per
costs
annually
of
eighty
nine
thousand
three
hundred
per
firefighter
with
one
time
cost
per
firefighter
of
five
thousand
one
hundred
and
again
it's
important
to
know.
We
have
submitted
the
grant
application.
D
J
If
you
remember
last
year,
when
we
talked
about
the
nine,
we
were
talking
about
the
fact
that
on
the
apparatus,
we
haven't
increased
staffing,
since
9
11
happened
with
the
world
trade
centers.
So
when
we
have
three
shifts
and
we
have
three
stations,
nine
people
just
increases
our
staffing
by
one
person
per
shift
per
station
and
we're.
D
D
D
And
then
we're
looking
at
fiscal
year,
22
original
budget
to
fiscal
year,
23
original
budget
or
currently
as
it
stands,
so
you
got
a
9.8
percent
increase
overall
and
again,
a
lot
of
that
is
the
increased
cost
that
we're
experiencing.
D
We
provide
you
the
pro
forma,
so
you
can
see
how
that
looks.
We
started
with
a
13.2
percent
minimum
operating
reserve
requirement.
So
that's
the
very
bottom
line.
But
when
you
look
at
the
whole
pro
forma
in
total,
when
you
get
to
fiscal
year
27
you
can
see
as
we
that
revenues
over
under
expenditures.
You
can
see
we're
still
having
to
use
some
reserves
and
you
get
to
about
a
million
dollars
in
fiscal
year
27.
D
when
the
cra
sun
sets,
which
we
hope
will
be
by
fiscal
year,
25
that
will
bring
that
revenue
back
into
the
general
fund
and
again
we'll
have
some
expenditures
also
associated
with
that,
but
and
you
can
use
that
for
other
sort,
other
other
reasons,
but
again,
if
you're
looking
out
over
more
years,
if
we're
still
using
those
plan
use
of
reserves,
we
would
be
going
under
our.
J
Okay,
basically,
when
we
look
at
this
just
to
summarize
that
again,
so
we
have
higher
percentages
right
now
in
our
reserve,
but
we
know
that
we
have
a
planned
use
of
those
reserves
so
that
we
balance
our
operating
budget
and
that's
a
planned
use.
So
when
we're
looking
over
our
five
year
pro
forma,
we
can
see
that
percentage
decreasing
and
our
target
16.67,
which
is
gfoa
national,
recommended
practice.
J
So
16.67
is
decreasing
because
revenues
still
exceed
expenses
with
everything
that's
proposed
by
about
a
million
dollars,
but
we
also
know
that,
with
the
cra
sunsets,
that
million
dollars
comes
back
into
the
general
fund.
That
means
we're
short
a
million
dollars.
We
gain
that
million
dollars
so
over
a
five-year
plan,
we're
breaking
even
on
budget
and
we're
hitting
our
reserve
target,
which
is
incredible
now
that
doesn't
include
the
next
things.
Kristen's
welcome,
but.
C
H
J
That's
you
know
better
than
we
saw
last
year
and
continues
in
the
plan
that
we
presented
last
year,
we
had
some
below
the
line,
revenues
that
we
anticipated
would
come
in
some
savings
that
we
have
some
additional
funding,
some
additional
revenue
sources.
When
people
talk
about
ad
valorem
with
our
increases,
we
anticipated
that
that's
going
to
be
more
than
we
had
projected
conservatively
that
kristen
had
in
our
revenues,
and
we
counted
on
that
to
actually
make
the
proforma
better
moving
forward,
and
it
has.
D
Yes,
so
the
16.7
percent
is
anything
that
we
do
annually.
So
a
lot
of
things,
a
lot
of
our
capital
projects
and
are
that
are
being
funded
by
general
fund-
are
more
annual
type
projects
they're,
not
one
time
so
like.
If
I
were
looking
at
fiscal
year,
23
the
one
I
would
take
out
would
probably
be
the
250
000
for
the
public
safety
building,
because
that
one's
not
annual,
but
we
have
the
10
000
for
bridge
repair.
D
D
Yes,
okay
and
then
we
have
a
capital,
outlay
reserve
and
that's
specifically
for
the
program
of
our
five-year
plan,
and
you
see
how
it
stops
in
2024.
That's
because
we
only
bring
it
over
to
the
the
beginning
balance,
and
then
you
see
the
capital
outlay
net.
D
That
is
where,
since
we're
budgeting
the
whole
amount,
we
need
that
whole
amount.
Anything
that
we
didn't
spend
would
then
move
down.
So
we
just
try
to
keep
it
flat.
So
that's
why
we
can't
show
the
full
amount,
but
we
show
it
on
the
other
slide
of
what
you
really
would
have
at
the
end
of
each
of
those
years,
but
in
the
pro
forma
doesn't
work
as
easily,
so
we
show
it
this
way.
J
Bear
in
mind
dude
16.67,
as
you
know,
is
basically
two
months
worth
of
operating
reserve.
8.33
is
112..
So
when
you
get
to
that
target,
we
have
two
months
worth
of
reserve
that
you
know
for
cash
flow
and
different
purposes.
That
is
there.
If
an
emergency
happens,
we
have
unexpected
loss
of
revenues.
We
have
emergencies
that
happen
during
a
hurricane
two
months
in
that
much.
D
D
You
know
the
city
is
doing
a
pain
classification
study,
including
factors
for
the
florida
minimum
wage
requirements,
so
any
results
that
come
from
that
study
are
not
currently
in
this
pro
forma.
The
referendum
for
the
mayor
and
council
members
increases
to
the
percentage
of
the
county.
Commissioner
rates
is
not
in
here.
D
D
We
have
also
applied
for
a
cops
grant
to
move
two
officers
from
later
years
up
front.
So
if,
if
we
were
awarded
that
and
that
happened,
we
would
have
to
increase
expenditures
in
fiscal
year,
23
through
the
first
three
years
of
the
grant
for
the
vehicles
and
for
the
city's
match
it
will,
by
the
time
we
get
to
the
out
years,
it
should
be
a
pretty
much
cover
all
those
additional
expenses.
J
And
that
keeps
it
consistent
with
what
was
proposed
last
year.
The
first
two
in
here
were
also
comments
from
last
year's
budget
presentation
that
we
had
union
negotiations.
It
was
fire
last
year
and
also
the
paying
classification
study
which,
right
now,
we've
lost
almost
twice
as
many
people
that
we
did
last
year
to
surrounding
jurisdictions
that
have
increased
their
their
pay.
D
D
It's
a
lot
of
uncertainty
for
economic
forecasts.
You
can
talk
to
many
different
people
or
look
online
and
see
lots
of
different
forecasts
of
what
people
think
are
going
to
happen
over
the
next
year
or
two,
and
then
we
have
our
american
rescue
plan
funds,
so
we're
waiting
till
we
get
our
pay
plan
study
to
then
present
you
a
plan
of
maybe
how
we
can
spend
those
funds.
J
J
People
like
surrounding
jurisdictions
will
say
when
we
look
at
their
proposed
increases
that
they
may
get
july,
1
they're
getting
substantially
higher
increases
than
we
are,
and
you
know
we
have
a
lot
of
homesteaded
properties
that
are
three
percent
and
all
the
different
things
that
impact
ours,
but
we
anticipate
it
will
come
in,
hopefully
better
than
we've
originally
projected
or
kristen
has.
J
When
I
say
we
I
mean
her,
but
certainly
we
know
that,
with
other
jurisdictions
being
able
to
fund
things
at
all
at
once,
because
they've
gotten
higher
increases
and
also
more
urpa
money,
it
puts
us
in
a
challenging
position
in
some
cases.
D
I
I'll
share
with
you.
The
june
1
estimate
was
a
little
over,
I
think
was
like
10
or
11
percent,
which
is
smaller
than
we've
heard
some
other
counties.
We
don't
rely
on
that
number
because
they've
been
doing
better,
but
in
the
past
they
were
so
off
sometimes
so
we
had
stopped
relying
on
our
june
1
number.
F
I
I
had
someone
ask
me
yesterday
about
with
all
the
houses
that
are
now
selling
for
well
over
a
million
dollars
in
in
the
in
the
city
limits.
F
How
is
that
going
to
affect
how
much
additional
tax
money
comes
to
the
city,
and
I
said
well,
first
of
all,
you've
got
to
remember
that
our
taxes
are
paid
in
arrears
here,
which
is
always
that's,
always
blown
my
mind
since
I've
moved
here.
It's
the
first
place.
I've
ever
lived
where
you
pay
your
taxes
at
in
november
or
december,
based
on.
F
But
so
a
lot
of
the
house
sales
from
this
year
will
not
be
reflected
until
next
year's
tax
bill.
Because,
as
when
I
moved
in
my
house,
like
we
built
a
brand
new
house
and
moved
in
in
september,
we
didn't
pay
taxes
on
the
actual
house
until
the
following
year.
So
that's
how
it
goes
on
the
tax
rolls.
So
you
any
of
the
house
transactions
during
this
calendar
year
for
the
most
part,
are
not
going
to
be
reflected
until
next
year's
tax
increase.
D
J
Do
hope
that
that
will
increase
somewhat
okay
and
kristen
has
certainly
taken
taking
into
consideration
the
increases
in
that
ad
form
that
we'll
receive
over
the
five-year
lightsaber.
So
some
of
that's
below
the
line
so
that
we
can
do
better
than
anticipated.
Knowing
the
costs
are
also
increasing.
D
D
D
When
we
were
working
on
this
budget
last
year
we
had
estimated
a
five
percent
increase
in
the
contractor
costs
and
what
we
received
was
a
21
percent
increase
so
again,
based
on
just
labor
costs,
going
up
in
combat
and
other,
like
fuel
costs,
going
up
that
they're
experiencing
we're
expecting
that
they're
going
to
probably
ask
for
another
substantial
increase.
So
we
currently
used
a
percentage
of
20
percent.
D
F
D
This
is
their
list
after
being
prioritized
of
projects
for
the
like
upcoming
year
and
again,
we
tried
to
put
in
here
which
ones
are
annual
subscriptions,
because
again
that's
what
we're
seeing
nowadays
versus
one-time
costs.
We
do
have
our
replacement
program,
which
is
always
annual
based
on
a
four-year
life
of
computers.
D
And
then,
every
year
we
try
to
give
you
the
slides,
showing
the
the
effect
of
the
millage
rate
on
homesteaded
residences.
So
this
is
just
homesteaded
residences,
with
the
three
percent
increase
that
is
allowed
this
year,
based
on
the
consumer
price
index.
Because
again
it's
the
consumer
price
index
or
three
percent
at
the
maximum.
So
this
year
is
a
maximum
year
and
you
can
see
how
much
leaving
the
millage
rate
at
the
3.95
would
account
for
how
much
additional
adolem
tax
on
these
various
levels
of
home.
J
And
you
can
see
that
in
those
two
you
have
to
remember
that
it
says
base
for
2022.
It
doesn't
necessarily
mean
your
house
is
valued
at
that.
It
means
that
last
year
you
paid
this,
and
this
is
what
you'll
pay
this
year,
your
house
could
have
gone
up
from
600
to
a
million
too,
but
that
doesn't
mean
this
does
obviously,
and
we
don't
get
that
revenue.
This
is
base.
D
Okay
and
as
we
get
more
information
we'll
be
bringing
you
back,
some
more
slides
to
go
over
and
more
updates
on
the
general
fund.
As
we
move
forward.
F
F
C
Good
afternoon
I
just
have
a
few
on
board
and
committee
items.
We
saw
the
same
vacancies
that
we
had
before
board
of
zoning
appeals
to
alternates
code
enforcement
board,
two
alternates
utility
advisory
board.
We
do
have
three
vacancies,
but
we
have
one
board
member
who
is
up
for
reappointment
and
has
indicated
his
interest
now
and
being
reappointed.
C
So
that's
good
news
and
then
we
have
two
vacancies
coming
up
on
the
building
board.
We
did
put
an
advertisement
in
the
newspaper,
so
hopefully
that'll
generate
some
interest.
We
always
you
know
hope
for
some
response
to
an
ad,
but
we'll
see.
F
C
C
J
Yes,
thank
you
just
two
things.
First
of
all,
as
usual,
thank
you
for
being
engaged
in
this
whole
process,
and
I
don't
just
mean
looking
through
the
paperwork
and
listening
to
the
presentation.
I
know
you
actually
dig
in
and
have
good
questions
that
help
us,
because
without
those
questions
and
insight,
we
don't
have
near
as
much
to
go
on
and
can't
provide
comprehensive
information
for
you
to
make
good
decisions.
So
thank
you
for
that.
J
Secondly,
one
of
the
things
today
was
the
charter
review
committee
recommendations
and
in
the
report
or
discussion
with
chartered
review
committee,
there
were
recommendations
outside
of
that
that
they
asked
the
council
consider
so
we'll
have
another
ordinance
that
mr
levin
has
prepared.
That
will
bring,
for
example,
the
economic
development
incentive
that
we
talked
about
and
we'll
be
able
to
have
discussion
on
that
and
determine
if
you
want
that
to
also
move
forward.
So
we
can
meet
the
deadline
for
questions
on
the
ballot.
F
F
Okay,
city
clerk,
I
don't
think
she
has
anything
else.
F
I
don't
see
anybody
peeking
around
the
corner
under
my
comments,
only
just
one
thing
just
for
everyone's
general
knowledge.
Our
meetings
did
you
have
anything
else?
Okay,
thanks
for
general
knowledge,
our
meeting
scheduled
for
july
and
august
has
changed
due
to
summer
break
for
the
council,
so
our
meetings
in
july
are
not
the
first
and
third
wednesday
as
they
normally
are.
F
G
Sure
I
there
was
a
tourism
development
council
meeting
last
friday.
I'll
give
you
a
couple
of
notes
there.
It
appears
that
the
dinesh
wedding
was
very
successful.
At
least
that
was
the
conversation
that
was
at
the
meeting
and
because
of
that,
you
know
that
kind
of
word
gets
out.
I
guess-
and
so
there's
another
wedding
similar
to
that.
That's
coming,
maybe
a
couple,
and
so
we're
going
to
be
considering,
probably
or
whatever
permits,
whatever
we
need
to
for
a
big
wedding
and
that
lashley
park
coming
in
probably
august.
G
Their
reasons
were
that
it
just
put
too
much
burden
with
significant
contractual
uncertainty
and
they're
a
volunteer
organization
that
doesn't
mean
that
they're
not
going
to
continue
to
work
with
the
tdc,
because
they
will
it
wasn't
and
there
wasn't
any
animosity
or
anything
like
that.
It
was
just.
They
said
this
just
doesn't
work
for
us,
so
they'll
continue
to
work
there
and
then
an
individual
and
I'm
not
sure
who
it
was
now.
G
But
he
brought
up
the
issue
about
parking
in
punta
gorda
and
there
was
some
discussion
about
that
and
the
need
for
a
city
and
county
cooperation,
and
the
reason
this
is
notable
is
because
commissioner
constance
made
the
comment
that
this
issue
has
risen
to
the
top
of
the
county
priority
list
so
and
specifically
talking
about
a
parking
structure
in
front
of
the
event
center,
so,
regardless
of
the
rumors
that
appear
to
be
propagating
on
social
media
regarding
where
that
might
be
we're
talking
about
in
front
of
the
event
center.
C
Some
good
news
wanted
to
share
that.
I
got
a
letter
from
the
department
of
state
last
week
saying.
I
C
F
F
C
Clerk,
since
you
were
talking
about
the
august
24th
council
meeting,
I
just
want
to
point
out-
I
didn't
hear
you
say
it,
but
that
we'll
be
at
the
military
heritage
museum
on
the
24th.
That's
right!
All
of
the
advisory
boards.
C
Well,
the
majority
of
them
for
july
have
been
cancelled
to
allow
staff
to
move
everything
over
to
the
museum
and
hopefully
we'll
have
a
couple
boards
that
will
meet
before
council
for
a
trial
run,
but
we're
working
closely
with
with
it
and
and
the
folks
at
the
military
heritage,
museum
we'll
be
meeting
with
them
later
this
week
and
to
talk
about
you
know
for
the
move
sure
so
great.
Thank
you.
Man
thanks
yeah.