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Regular City Council Meeting 1-19-2022
A
D
F
G
D
Thank
you,
pastor
prayer,
one
thing
before
we
begin:
if
it's
okay
with
everyone
on
council,
I
would
like
to
move
up
agenda
item
6e,
and
I
would
like
to
put
it
between
3c
and
4a,
if
everyone's
okay
with
that,
because
we
have
someone
here
who
would
like
to
go
and
attend
a
funeral
service
today.
So
thank
you
if
you're,
all
okay
with
that,
we'll
move
that
up
okay!
Thank
you.
D
J
So
the
first
thing
we
have
is
recognition
of
the
city's
sixth
place
finish
nationwide
for
populations
less
than
75
000
in
the
center
for
digital
government
digital
cities
survey
we've
been
in
this
for
seven
straight
years,
we've
been
in
the
top
in
florida.
In
some
cases,
the
only
city
in
florida
to
have
this
award
and
really
what
this
is
doing
is
the
digital
cities
survey
takes
into
consideration
how
we
use
digital
media
to
be
able
to
communicate
with
the
public.
J
D
And
while
we're
giving
out
awards,
I
I
attended
the
pontagorda
history
center.
Southern
supper
dinner
on
saturday
night
on
behalf
of
the
family
of
augustus
c
freeman
and
accepted
the
the
hall
of
fame
inductee
award
for
him,
and
I'm
going
to
present
this
to
the
city
manager
to
keep
in
his
custody
until
such
time
as
the
freeman
house
is
restored
to
its
natural
glory.
So
here
is
this
award.
A
Proclamation
city
of
pontigorda
florida,
whereas
human
trafficking
is
a
nationwide
public
health
and
civil
rights
crisis.
Its
victims
and
survivors
are
everywhere,
with
the
city
of
punta
gorda
being
no
exception,
and
whereas
human
trafficking
includes
both
labor
and
sex
trafficking,
with
both
international
and
domestic
victims
and
whereas
anyone
can
become
a
victim
of
trafficking.
While
women
and
girls
are
the
primary
victims.
Victims
survivors
come
from
every
background
race,
gender
sector
orientation
and
economic
status.
A
Traffickers
target
individuals
who,
for
any
reason,
are
vulnerable,
and
whereas
young
people
are
particularly
vulnerable
to
trafficking
and
exploitation,
but
face
many
barriers
in
reporting.
What
has
happened
to
them?
Florida's,
safe
harbor
act
recognized
that
any
youth
under
the
age
of
18
who
comes
forward,
will
no
longer
face
criminal
prosecution
and
will
instead
receive
comprehensive
trauma-informed
services.
A
Now,
therefore,
the
city,
the
city
council
of
city
of
panagorda
florida,
does
hereby
proclaim
the
month
of
january
2022
as
human
trafficking,
awareness
and
prevention
month
pass
and
duly
adopted
a
regular
session.
This
19th
day
of
january
2022,
city
of
puna,
gorda,
florida,
lynn,
r,
matthews
mayor
and
I
believe
karen
was
accepting
this,
but
I
think
she's
running
a
little
late.
So
I
will
keep
this
and
give
this
to
her.
When
I
see
her
great.
D
D
F
F
F
F
F
K
Good
morning
gary
skiplicorn
punta
gorda
resident
for
about
10
years.
My
background
is,
I
spent
35
years
in
the
federal
government
as
an
engineer,
project,
engineer
and
program
manager.
I've
had
a
long-standing
concern
that
was
illustrated
the
last
council
meeting
and
that
was
the
lashley
splash
pad.
K
Heaven
forbid
that
we
shouldn't
hold
anything
away
from
the
children.
It's
really
should
be
one
of
our
top
priorities,
but
my
observation
is:
had
we
had
a
serious
problem
with
requirements:
crete
lacking
solid
project
management
oversight
and
little
concern
for
budgets,
which
leads
me
here
today
to
talk
about
the
city
hall,
restoration
project,
you'll
be
seeing
a
presentation
later.
K
K
K
K
K
Now,
on
a
broader,
broader
stage,
every
project
seems
to
be
a
must
do
so.
What
projects
are
we
going
to
defer
or
cancel
in
order
in
order
to
fund
this
campus,
we
can't
continue
to
plan
and
execute
projects.
This
way
we
have
57
identified
in
the
capital
improvement
plan,
including
big
tick
items
such
as
boca
grand
flood
control,
freeman
house,
water,
waste
water
treatment
system
septic
to
sewer.
In
my
final
statement,
we
must
improve
our
project
management
control.
K
D
L
L
L
In
order
to
create
a
subdivision
to
be
called
seagrove
on
gill
subdivision
for
the
property
at
509
gill
street
ponte
gorda,
florida,
more
particularly
described
on,
exhibit
a
attached.
This
resolution
authorizing
the
mayor
and
city
clerk
to
execute
the
plat
authorizing
the
city
clerk
to
forward
the
resolution
and
the
original
final
practice
to
the
charlotte
county
clerk
of
the
circuit
court
for
recording
at
the
applicant's
expense
and
providing
an
effective
date
so
you're
at
this
moment
at
this
time.
L
B
J
F
J
D
G
D
I'm
okay,
this
would
be
and
the
very
beginning
of
the
meeting,
because
quasi
hearings
are
always
in
the
beginning
of
the
meeting,
so
I'm
thinking
of
the
whole
meeting
so,
okay,
all
right
all
those
in
favor,
please
signify
by
saying
aye
aye
oppose
motion
carries
unanimously.
Thank
you
all
right.
The
next
hearing
is
src-01-19.
Yes,.
B
So,
as
the
city
attorney
stated,
this
is
a
resolution
for
a
final
plot
approval
for
whipperwill
triangle,
subdivision
the
large
triangle
at
whipperwill,
thrasher
and
turtledove
boulevard.
It's
considered
a
minor
subdivision,
currently
vacant
property,
the
property
is
zoned
general
single
family.
So
that
would
be
what
is
permitted.
The
required
minimum
lot
area
is
9
600
square
feet.
The
proposed
three
lots
range
from
13
091
square
feet
up
to
nineteen
thousand
seven
hundred
and
sixty
five
square
feet
in
area.
B
B
B
B
The
utility
and
drainage
easements
are
included
on
all
interior
lots
now
and
the
utility
department
was
just
requesting
that
water
and
wastewater
lines
be
installed
prior
to
filing
a
plant
approval.
If
not,
the
developer
is
reminded
that
no
water
and
sewer
is
provided
until
the
developer
puts
it
in
at
their
own
expense.
B
D
L
It
will
run
with
the
land
and
actually
be
there
forever
unless,
unless
the
owner
of
the
property
comes
back
in
for
a
vacation
of
the
plat,
it's
not
something
that
the
city
can
unilaterally
do,
and
I
know
of
no
circumstance
where
a
plat
can
be
made
conditioned
upon
construction
by
a
certain
period
of
time.
This
is
not
the
equivalent
of
a
special
exception.
L
L
This
really
doesn't
fit
that
same
category,
so
I
would
be
uncomfortable
in
tying
the
approval
and
even
the
revocation
of
the
action
based
on
non-development.
I
mean
we
have.
We
have
lots
in
the
plat
of
tribute
that
probably
you
know,
are
still
vacant
and
that's
just
that's
just
the
nature
of
of
platts.
It's
a
subdivision.
B
Staff
would
not
have
any
knowledge
of
how
they
would
be
sold,
but
they
would
be
developed
individually.
There
wouldn't
be
one
unless
again,
they
vacated
the
plaque
after
it's
planted
to
have
one
large
structure
across
all
the
property,
but
they
would
be
developed
individually.
I
don't
know
what
the
I
we
don't
know.
What
the
intent
of
the
owner
of
the
property
is
on,
how
he
will
develop
it.
D
D
There's
a
big
concern
about
the
setbacks,
especially
at
the
corner
of
turtle,
dove
and
whipperwell,
because
we're
in
the
process
of
redesigning
that
intersection
already
and
there's
a
very
big
concern
about
the
line
of
sight
and
safety
at
that
corner.
So
I
want
to.
I
want
to
be
on
the
record
to
state
that
I
I
want
to
make
sure
that
whatever
gets
built
there,
that
it
must
comply
with
setbacks
that
are
approved
by
the
city,
because
that's
going
to
be
a
very
critical
thing
for
safety
concerns.
D
That's
people
are
already
complaining
that
when
they
come
off
of
turtledove,
they
don't
pay
attention
to
the
traffic
sign
and
they're
blowing
right
through
that
stop
sign.
So
my
concern
is
really
safety
related
not
only
for
vehicles
but
for
people
who
walk
and
people
who
bike
and
that's
a
huge
area
for
all
of
those
three
things.
So
that's
that's.
A
very
big
concern.
D
A
B
D
D
C
Debbie,
when
something
like
this
is
being
considered,
is
there
any
kind
of
a
traffic
study?
That's
done.
I
all
of
the
questions
that
I'm
getting
are
concerning
how
this
is
going
to
affect
traffic
with
you
know,
you've
got
people
flying
through
intersections
now,
you're
going
to
have
driveways
and
I'm
just
curious
just
does.
Is
there
anything
we
can
do
to
try
to
make
it
safer?
Thank
you.
M
So
for
the
record
mitchell
lawson
urban
design
have
been
sworn
under.
The
current
codes.
Traffic
studies
are
not
required
for
for
this
type
of
application.
There
are
certain
thresholds
that
are
in
the
code,
like
thirty
thousand
square
feet,
of
of
commercial
or,
more
and
and
an
increase
in
residential
density.
M
The
underlying
future
land
use
and
zoning
for
this,
for
this
proposed
subdivision
are
not
changing
so
the
land
and
the
infrastructure.
The
road
network
in
that
area
was
designed.
We
hope
for
the
maximum
residential
potential
of
the
of
of
the
proposed
land
uses.
So
there's
no
technical
need
for
a
a
traffic
study
just
to
dig
into
the
weeds
a
little
bit
more.
M
C
A
M
L
N
D
D,
I
will
ask
the
one
question:
are
you
planning
on
selling
each
of
these
lots
and
then
people
individually
will
build
on
them?
Yes,
okay,
all
right!
Thank
you.
This
is
a
public
hearing.
If
anyone
would
like
to
comment
on
this
agenda
item,
please
come
to
the
podium
state,
your
name
for
the
record
and
that
you've
been
sworn.
D
L
B
C
D
C
D
I
D
L
Yes-
and
this
is
a
quasi-digital
public
hearing
to
consider
a
request
by
brian
brunderman
authorized
agent
for
james
p
and
donna
marie
mahoney
property
owner
for
a
special
exception,
pursuant
to
chapter
25,
section
16.8
under
gordon
code,
to
allow
a
third
driveway
to
be
constructed
to
provide
access
to
a
newly
constructed
attached
garage
addition
to
an
existing
single-family
residence,
which
is
permitted
by
special
exception.
Pursuant
to
chapter
26,
article
10,
section
10.3
h10.
L
D
B
B
B
The
proposal
will
not
adversely
affect
access
or
use
of
neighboring
properties
and
no
adverse
impacts
are
anticipated,
must
maintain
a
20-foot
separation.
There's
approximately
50
linear
feet
from
the
closest
existing
driveway
on
the
property
to
the
proposed
new
driveway,
the
maximum
width,
one
driveway
up
to
24
feet
and
driveways.
Two
and
three
shall
not
exceed
16
feet
in
width.
The
existing
circular
driveway
each
are
12
feet
in
width
and
the
proposed
third
driveway
is
20
feet
in
width,
so
it
does
meet
this
criteria.
B
No
driveway
shall
be
located
closer
than
seven
and
a
half
feet
from
an
adjacent
property
line,
and
the
proposed
third
driveway
is
approximately
19
feet
from
the
side
property
line
and
the
driveway
must
meet
all
the
other
regulations
in
chapter
26.
Article
10
and
the
proposed
driveway
meets
all
those
regulations.
B
C
B
Okay,
so
back,
I
can't
remember
when,
in
the
code
it
was
changed.
We
had
another
request
for
a
third
driveway
on
a
single
street
for
a
garage
edition.
There
was
no
way
staff
could
get
through
it.
I
think
we
went
through
the
variance
process.
This
has
been
at
least
seven
eight
nine
years
ago,
I
believe
maybe
10.
B
B
Technically
he
could
remove
one
section
of
the
circular
driveway
make
a
long
entrance
into
it
going
across,
but
that
of
course,
will
take
up
most
of
the
yard
and
and
it
would
make
a
hard
turn
for
anything,
but
it
we
allow
it
when
they
meet
the
criteria,
so
I
I
mean
it
would
be
up
to
council
if
you
wanted
to
remove
that
requirement.
What.
G
Mark
so
my
concern
is
similar,
but
a
little
bit
different
twist
I
mean
I,
I
think
this
should
have
come
before
us
when
or
it
should
have
been
resolved
when
the
garage
was
permitted,
because
I
feel
like
we're
kind
of
being
backed
into
a
situation
that
if
we
don't
approve
this,
then
he's
got
a
garage
to
nowhere
and
it's
and
he
wastes
his
money.
So
we're
kind
of
being
put,
I
think,
in
an
unfair
situation
that
this
should
have
all
been
handled
all
at
once.
G
So
that
being
said,
we
are
where
we
are
on
this,
so
we're
going
to
have
to
make
a
decision
on
this
one,
but
in
the
future
I
think
we
need
when
there's
something
like
this
coming
up.
You
know
similar
to
what
I
had
talked
about
with
the
canal
situation.
At
the
end
of
canals.
I
brought
that
up
before
I
think
city
staff
needs
to
think
it
through
a
little
bit
and
then
look
to
the
future
about
what
what's
going
to
happen
and
let's,
let's
approve
these
things.
You
know
all
at
once,
so.
B
We
did
advise
the
applicant
that
a
special
exception
would
be
required
should
they
wish
to
move
forward.
With
this
we
only
approved
the
garage
edition
without
any
driveway
to
it.
They
removed
that
portion
of
it
when
they
submitted
their
building
permit.
It
was
at
their
risk
to
construct
that
garage
before
applying
for
the
special
exception.
L
D
A
Melissa
correct
me:
if
I'm
wrong,
just
a
little
clarification
when
this
originally
came
for
the
garage,
I
think
what
you
said
is
originally.
They
could
have
extended
that
circular
driveway,
without
an
exception
or
whatnot
to
to
go
to
the
garage
so
in
a
sense
that
was
kind
of
could
have
been
the
original
plan.
So
it's
not
as
if
it
was
approved
without
a
garage
to
nowhere
without
a
driveway.
A
They
they
had
something
that
they
could
have
put
in
place
so
what's
happening
now
is
that
they
decided
that
their
original
thought
of
extending
that
circular
driveway,
maybe
isn't
working
for
them.
So
they've
come
back
to
do
that.
Driveway.
Is
that
correct?
That
is
correct.
So
I
think
that
kind
of
clarifies
a
little
bit
that
wasn't
necessarily
approved
without
an
option
you
know
originally.
In
other
words,
a
garage
wasn't
approved
with
no
option
for
a
driveway
at
all.
That
is
correct.
L
K
Hello,
I'm
brian
brunderman.
I
have
been
sworn
on.
The
general
contractor
representing
mr
mahoney
and
I'd
just
like
to
clarify
the
garage
has
not
been
built.
The
permit
has
been
applied
for
which
is
what
started
this
entire
process.
I
think
staff
has
been
very,
very
thorough
in
the
entire
process
recommended
that
we
get
a
special
exception,
which
mr
mahoney
decided
that
he
would
wait
and
go
through.
The
special
exception
process
has
been
many
many
months
getting
here,
so
the
garage
is
a
proposed
garage
at
this
point
in
time.
K
The
permit
all
the
applications
is,
is
complete
and
in
the
building
department's
file
waiting
for
this
approval
before
they
will
approve
the
plan
as
we
have
it
designed.
So
I
just
wanted
you
to
know
your
back's
not
up
against
the
wall
with
the
staff's
done
a
very
good
job
in
in
regulating
this
and
making
sure
it
gets
done
to
to
code.
D
A
K
A
K
B
D
B
D
This
a
public
hearing-
this
is
a
public
hearing.
All
right
do
we
have
any
other
questions
for
staff
before
we
open
the
public
hearing.
Okay,
this
is
public
hearing.
If
anyone
would
like
to
comment
on
this
agenda
item,
please
come
to
the
podium
state,
your
name
for
the
record
and
that
you've
been
sworn.
You
have
three
minutes.
D
A
D
A
Can
we
still
have
a
little
discussion?
We
can
okay
sure.
So
I
guess
probably
the
only
thing
that
maybe
would
have
made
it
a
little
clearer-
and
this
is
just
you
know
would
be-
I
know
it
said
newly
constructed
garage
so
maybe
to
put
proposed
or
future
construction,
or
maybe
that
would
have
been
a
little
bit
more
clarification
for
to
know
that
the
growth
had
been
constructed.
D
And
that's
a
very
good
point
and
I
think
I
would
like
to
see
on
the
cover
sheet
of
each
agenda
item
what
the
intended
action
really
needs
to
be
and
what
the
what
the
push
points
are
for
us
to
be
aware
of,
because
I
think
just
looking
at
the
cover
sheet
sometimes
doesn't
give
us
an
idea
until
we
get
into
the
meat
and
potatoes
of
the
of
the
agenda
item.
And
we
have
to
read
all
the
the
documents
that
are
attached
before.
We
understand
what
the
intent
is.
G
A
D
B
Good
morning,
lisa
hannon
zoning
official
staff
has
received
a
request
from
the
downtown
farmers
market
to
expand
over
into
the
herrell
court
parking
garage
area
sidewalks.
This
is
mainly
due
to
the
chris
or
the
annual
parades,
along
with
the
early
voting
times,
weekends
that
they
have
to
leave
taylor
street
open
between
harold
court
and
olympia.
F
Good
morning
john
wright
kind
of
go
to
chamber,
I'm
representing
jerry
priscilla
today
he's
unfortunately
unable
to
attend
due
to
a
family
bereavement.
He
is
the
saudi
farmer's
market.
We've
been
talking
about
after
cobit
conditions
and
restrictions
were
lifted.
The
saturday
farmers
market
is
now
getting
full
and
there's
more
and
more
people
want
to
take
part.
He
has
an
issue
when
we
do
have
these
parades
on
saturdays.
The
early
voting
presents
problems
and
idiots
like
me
that
do
the
sullivan
street
craft
fair
cause
him
even
more
concerns,
so
we
needed
a
back-up
plan.
F
The
original
application
that
I
think
some
of
you
have
referred
to
recently
was
quashed
because
it
does
have
or
did
have
vendors
potentially
going
all
the
way
around
herald
court
on
the
u.s
41
side.
That
was
pulled
back
we're
now,
just
looking
at
extending
it
a
little
bit
along
herald
court
and
down
the
breezeway.
D
C
I
think
it's
brilliant.
I
think
I
think
it's
a
win-win.
I
think
the
merchants
will
benefit
because
people
who
don't
want
to
take
the
time
to
park
and
go
walking
around
they
see
that
totally
different
with
the
farmers
market
being
what
draws
them.
I
I
I
think
you
guys
came
up
with
a
perfect
solution.
Thank
you.
F
I
do
want
to
remind
you
that
when
the
market
started
saturdays
in
downtown,
ponegorda
were
not
a
particularly
prolific
day
for
retail.
Now
it
is
packed.
It's
it's.
It's
the
draw
and
with
your
permissions
I
think
he's
going
to
put
as
part
of
the
market
on
their
footprint.
A-Frame
signs
that
say,
market
extended
extra
vendors.
This
way
so
it'll
drive
people
down
into
the
breezeway
and
utilize
that.
A
A
D
J
L
O
Incorporated
the
change
that
had
been
recommended
about,
I
can't
hear
you
I'm
sorry,
I'm
sorry.
So,
at
the
previous
meeting,
where
this
was
discussed,
it
was
pointed
out
that
our
location
is
going
to
be
changing.
It
incorporate
language
indicating
that
the
meetings
might
be
held
at
other
locations,
as
noticed.
So
that's
the
only
additional
change.
Are
there
any
questions?
Would
you
like
me
to
go
through
the
presentation
again
questions.
G
I
had
a
question
actually
about
what
you
just
said
before
you
said
that
I
mean
de
facto,
because
if
you
change
this,
then
we're
going
to
be
changing
all
the
bylaws
right
for
all
the
committees
yeah,
my
thought
is
wherever
the
council
meets,
is
the
de
facto
council
chamber.
So
why
do
we?
If
I
mean
it
just
seems
to
be
like
a
lot
of
writing
for
really
it's
a
difference
without
a
distinction
I
mean.
Is
that
what
they
say
I
mean
we're
meeting
here.
So
it's
the
chamber
well.
D
G
D
G
My
point
is:
do
we
really
need
to
do
that
because
wherever
we
meet
is
the
de
facto
chamber?
I
mean
this?
We're
not
saying
in
the
bylaws
that
we're
meeting
at
this
address
we're
saying
that
we're
meeting
at
the
chamber
I'm
just
trying
to
clean
this
up
for
the
future,
because
you're
gonna
be
we'll
be
changing
a
lot
of
bylaws
for
really
no
reason.
G
L
G
A
Yeah,
I
was
just
wondering
if
there's
something
easier,
just
to
make
life
easier,
to
say
that
you
know
the
address.
Usually
is
this,
however,
in
lieu
of
construction
or
blah
blah
blah
might
be
other
locations?
I
don't
know
if
I'll
make
it
easier
for
you
guys,
because
you
figure,
if
you
change
it
now,
when
we
come
back
you're
going
to
have
to
amend
it
back
actually
the
way
that.
O
O
O
L
L
L
L
C
O
O
J
C
D
D
D
C
D
L
Yes,
this
is
a
resolution
which
I'll
read
by
title.
Only
a
resolution
of
the
city
council
of
the
city
of
punta
gorda
florida
amending
the
budget
for
the
fiscal
year,
beginning
october,
1st
2021,
by
providing
for
supplemental
appropriations
and
the
amounts
identified
in
exhibit
a
providing
for
several
ability.
If
any
of
the
parts
they're
here
of
are
declared
invalid.
Providing
for
reading
by
title
only
and
providing
an
effective
date.
E
Good
morning
chris
and
simeone
from
finance
good
morning,
so
the
budget
amendments
that
are
presented
here
are
to
increase
revenue
as
well
as
increase
the
expense.
So
we
have
one
grant
appropriation,
which
is
on
the
consent
agenda
item
to
accept
the
award
that's
for
5879,
so
we
would
be
increasing
the
grant
revenue,
as
well
as
the
expenditure
for
the
rifle
program,
and
then
we
had
some
additional
insurance.
E
D
Do
we
have
a
second
okay?
Sorry,
I
didn't
hear
you.
Okay,
we
have
a
motion
and
a
second
to
approve
the
resolution
amending
the
budget
for
fiscal
year,
beginning
october,
1
2021.
any
further
discussion.
All
those
in
favor,
please
signify
by
saying
aye
aye
opposed
motion
carries
unanimously
and
we
have
another
resolution.
C
D
D
D
D
D
N
N
That
survey
was
finalized
in
may
of
22
of
2020.
I'm
sorry,
and
from
there
we
presented
to
city
council
the
findings
and
looked
at
some
preliminary
cost
options
regarding
rehabilitation
of
this
1978
edition
opposed
to
constructing
a
new
building,
and
at
that
time
it
was
more
cost
effective
to
do
the
latter
as
well
as
do
the
rehabilitation
that
needed
to
be
done
in
the
city
hall.
N
Historic
section,
also
from
that
report
there
became
three
primary
areas
that
the
building
did
need
to
focus
on
primarily
the
building
envelope,
and
that
is
again
the
roof
system,
the
walls,
the
again
failing
mechanical
and
plumbing,
as
well
as
the
indoor
air
quality
and
those
types
of
things.
And
again
we
talked
about
the
lack
of
accessibility
as
well
as
a
lack
of
security,
meaning
sometimes
people
don't
know
to
come
in
the
back
door.
N
N
Put
it
out
to
proposals
and
staff
got
back
several
proposals
and
through
our
procurement
process
we
went
with
our
consultant,
which
is
goodwin
mills
in
colwood,
julian
norman
webb,
who
is
here
today
is
our
lead
consultant
on
that
and,
yes,
you
do
see
a
long
list
of
sub
consultants
with
a
project
as
large
as
this
is.
It
does
require
different
specialties.
So
there's
a
different
landscape
architect,
there's
a
different
lighting
person,
there's
a
different
ones
for
the
mechanical
system,
the
rehabilitation.
N
So
it
does
create
a
larger
project
team
and
then,
as
far
as
the
stakeholders
go
primarily
city
council
will
be,
will
be
leading
the
charge
on
this.
So
we
will
be
bringing
back
every
stage
of
the
process
to
get
opinions
and
feedbacks,
knowing
that
this
is
the
only
format
that
you
can
publicly
discuss
and
give
staff
direction
as
well
as
we
do
include
all
of
the
city
staff
that
would
have
a
vested
interest
in
the
facilities,
meaning.
N
N
So
what
have
we
done
thus
far?
So
there
has
been
a
lot
of
stuff
going
on
behind
the
scenes,
so
we
kicked
off
the
project
in
september
with
our
project
meeting
reviewed
the
scope
of
work
for
the
consultant.
What
are
some
initial
goals
that
we
got
from
the
survey
that
we
had
previously
done?
Then?
In
october
and
november
we
sent
out
some
interviews
for
both
staff
and
council,
and
then
we
had
individual
meetings
with
the
consultant
with
all
the
council
members
that
we've
all
already
have
received
the
site
survey.
N
So
all
of
the
survey
work
for
the
city
hall,
building
that
it
sits
on
has
been
completed.
We've
got
a
copy
of
the
summary
of
the
interviews
and
those
were
included
in
the
agenda
package
and
we
just
recently
have
received
the
preliminary
purpose
and
needs
statement
as
how
we're
going
to
govern
the
project
going
forward.
N
So
the
preliminary
need
purpose
statement
that
the
consultant
has
developed
for
the
city,
based
upon
all
of
the
information
that
he
has
gathered
thus
far,
is
that
the
city
of
ponegor
requires
an
accessible
function,
secure
and
welcome
in
city
hall.
That
rehabilitates
and
projects
protects
the
existing
1927
city
hall
structure
for
continued
use
and
provides
space
for
council
members
and
citizens
to
meet
in
both
a
foot
for
purpose,
council
chambers
and
in
small
group
settings.
N
N
So
during
the
interview
and
and
that
we
have
done
there
were
several
areas
that
consistently
we
heard
common
threads
and
common
themes
that
everybody
is
on
the
same
page
with
meaning.
Obviously
we
need
to
preserve
the
historic
character
of
the
city
hall
in
the
historic
building
that
it
does
need
to
be
a
cohesive
plan
that,
obviously
we
need
to
improve
our
council
chambers.
N
We
do
need
some
dedicated
space
for
city
council
members.
We
need
to
create
a
welcome
entry
or
plaza
giving
it
a
sense
of
you
know.
Public
gathering
and
that
type
of
stuff
from
the
seat
from
the
street
view
definitely
needs
some
type
of
more
enhanced
security
for
the
overall
building
for
council
for
staff
in
the
general
public,
and
there
was
a
common
thing
about
re
looking
at
what
space
is
used
for
what
purposes.
N
N
But
the
levels
of
agreement
is
where
it
varied.
So
our
consultant-
I
don't
know
if
you
want
to
come
join
me-
has
prepared
just
basically
to
kind
of
get.
The
discussion
started
a
concept
plan
just
to
kind
of
give
a
general
idea.
The
room
size
in
the
diagram
is
about
2
400
square
feet.
The
actual
room
we're
in
right
now
is
just
over
a
thousand
square
feet.
N
N
N
G
N
No
well
again,
based
upon
some
of
the
comments
that
we
did
receive.
There
was
obviously
everybody
said
it
needed
to
be
larger,
but
everybody
didn't
see
the
need
that
we
needed
a
500
area,
so
it
was
really
based
upon
all
the
opinions
that
we
got.
It
does
not
necessarily
represent
that.
That's
the
way
we're
going.
It
was
just
to
show
you
from
what
we
have
to
what
it
could
be
in
this
size
space.
N
G
N
F
O
Just
sorry,
julian
norman
webb
project
architect,
so
the
reason
why
it's
2400
square
feet
is
a
function
of
who's
in
the
room.
So
98
people
at
seats
with
a
central
aisle
take
up
a
certain
amount
of
space
and
what
we
heard
was
a
seven
person
deus,
which
had
to
be
curved
so
that
you
could
adequately
talk
to
each
other
while
also
addressing
the
public.
So
it's
laying
that
out
and
then
the
size
comes
out
what
it
is.
O
So,
for
instance,
if
you
chose
a
deus
that
was
left
less
curve
than
this,
because
this
is
almost
a
semicircle.
So
it
improves
the
interaction
between
you
as
council
members,
but
if
it
was
flatter-
and
it
was
more
addressing
the
public
directly
and
you
were
sitting
more
side
by
side,
then
that
curve
would
flatten
and
the
room
would
become
that
much
smaller
for
the
same
number
of
people.
So.
G
O
You'd
have
to
come
up
with
a
participation
factor
per
person
per
city,
and
I
don't.
I
don't
think
that
that
data
exists
across
cities
and
counties,
because
you'll
go
some
cities
which
are
far
smaller
like
this
one,
and
you
know
we
already
see
that
there's
a
higher
participation
here
than
in
some
other
municipalities.
I've
been
in
so
that
I
wouldn't
say
that
there's
a
general
rule
where
you
just
say:
10
000
people
equals
x
numbers
of
people
in
the
audience.
C
N
D
I
think
the
one
question
we
haven't
even
addressed
is
when
we
build
this.
What
do
we
think
our
future
attendance
is
going
to
be
forget
today
and
tomorrow
and
next
year
this
this
community
keeps
growing.
We
keep
getting
more
interaction
with
the
residents
in
the
city
and
we
get
a
lot
of
people
that
come
to
these
meetings
on
a
typical
day
when
it's
not
covered
related.
J
Yeah
and
let's
go
back
to
some
of
the
base
assumptions
for
engineering
purposes,
which
is
more
data-driven.
So,
first
of
all,
if
you
have
a
dyas,
that's
the
configuration
that
was
shown
how
much
space
does
that
require
in
that
configuration
as
far
as
width
of
the
room.
So
now
you
have
the
width
of
the
room,
that's
taken
up.
So,
given
that
width
and
knowing
the
amount
of
space
you
want
between
seating
and
how
you
want
the
seating
configured,
what
can
you
put
in
that
space
as
far
as
audience?
J
Participation-
seating,
that's
just
a
function
of
length,
so
you
already
know
the
width.
So
when
you
talk
about
the
number
of
seats
to
determine
the
length,
then
it
came
back
to
looking
at
some
of
the
staff
comments
and
the
public
meetings
and
public
information
sessions
that
were
held
and
how
many
had
to
be
in
that
room.
Given
the
past
presentations
and
what
we
see
as
future
presentations
along
with
staff.
J
That
now
has
a
separate
room
to
be
in,
given
those
numbers
and
the
aggregate
of
that
it
was
apparent
that
upwards
of
a
hundred
people
would
be
needed
so
that
you
could
then
accommodate
not
only
for
the
city
council.
But
when
you
look
at
the
number
of
chairs
on
the
dyas,
you
also
have
all
the
boards
and
committees
that
meet
in
the
same
room
and
have
separate
staff
requirements
than
city
council
does
and
the
number
of
people
that
come
to
this
public
hearing,
so
that
we
don't
have
to
take
it
off
site
somewhere
else.
J
G
N
N
D
I
can
tell
you
that
I
don't
like
the
idea
of
a
wall
between
us
and
the
residents.
I
think
that's
I've
never
seen
one
of
those
in
any
community
that
I've
ever
been
involved
in,
and
I
think
it
it
totally
puts
a
wall
up
between
us
and
and
who
we're
communicating
with
86
that
as
far
as
I'm
concerned,
county
is
actually.
J
D
N
And
that
was-
and
that
is
primarily
you
know
the
main
reason
that
that
you
all
are
safe.
You
know,
and
that,
and
that
is
that-
and
we
have
seen
you
know
in
general,
there
are
a
lot
of
municipalities
that
are
either
redoing
or
revamping
their
chambers
for
the
sole
factor.
You
know
they
were
all
built
to
have
people
closer
together,
where
now
that
you
know
with
the
social
distance
they're
trying
to
make
them
better
and.
C
A
I
was
just
gonna
kind
of
echo
that
one
thing
we
all
need
to
keep
in
consideration
is
that
we
already
redistrict.
We
just
went
through
redistricting,
who
knows
in
10
years.
We
could
have
another
district,
that's
going
to
come
about
so
again,
whatever
we
decide
we're
going
to
live
with
for
many
many
many
years.
So
I
think
again,
just
echoing
that
we
need
to
think
of
way
in
the
future
that
just
this
little
redistricting
look
at
how
much
potential
growth
we're
coming
into
the
city.
So
I
don't
agree
with
the
wall.
A
I
I'm
I'm
not
really
fond
of
the
wall.
I
do
like
the
central
podium,
though,
because
right
now
I
know
it's
kind
of
like
look
to
your
left
and
look
to
your
right.
Where
is
everybody,
and
I
like
the
down
the
middle,
you
know
so
everybody
kind
of
has
a
defined
flow,
but
again
as
far
as
when
we're
coming
up
with
that
number,
I
just
want
everybody
to
think
about.
You
know
20
years
in
the
future,
what
this
city
will
probably
look
like
so
and
we're
not
going
to
build
this
again.
N
J
Conceptual
diagram,
yeah.
What
we've
seen
in
a
lot
of
cases
is
at
the
end
of
the
dice,
which
you
see
both
ends.
You
actually
have
a
partition
that
goes
from
the
end
of
the
dice
over
to
the
wall.
It
leaves
the
whole
center
open,
but
it
prevents
people
from
just
walking
back
behind,
especially
in
this
configuration,
and
it
can
be
something
that's
a
gate
style
so
that
you
can
come
out.
People
can
come
in
if
you
like,
but
it
can
also
be.
J
The
whole
way
across
it
can
just
be
something
that
secures
the
ends
so
that
people
can't
just
walk
back
and
forth
and
be
as
simple
as
that,
and
that
seems
to
be
very
effective
also
with
the
center
podium
that
allows
for
micro
and
remember,
you're,
only
seeing
seating
here,
you're,
not
seeing
all
the
other
amenities
like
when
you
have
that
style
dice
on
the
front
of
the
center
podium,
the
large
screen
that
can
be
there.
So
you're
all
looking
at
a
specific
screen
to
see
exactly
what's
being
presented,
it's
very
pleasing,
it's
very
big.
It's!
J
It
makes
it
very
easy
to
do
presentations
as
well
as
the
ones
you
have
on
the
sides.
You
know
for
the
viewing
of
the
public.
You
don't
see
also
in
the
front
what
people
see
when
they're
sitting
at
that
center,
so
that
they
can
see
what's
being
presented
as
they
talk
and
present
to
council
when
they're
putting
things
up
for
you
to
see.
So
there's
a
lot
of
amenities
that
go
with
this
configuration
that
this
facilitates
very
well.
G
So
so
I'm
not
for
or
against
the
wall,
but
I
am
absolutely
for
security.
Given
the
current
political
climate,
that's
even
permeating
into
our
little
community
here
there
needs
to
be
security
and
it
needs
to
be
significant
security.
It
can't
be
just
you
know,
you
know,
god
forbid,
something
ever
happens,
we'll
wish
we
had
security.
So
let's
not
wish
and
let's
make
sure
that
there's
security,
whatever.
C
G
C
L
Yeah,
I
was
not
amongst
the
stakeholder
group
right,
and
rightly
so,
but
and
with
all
due
respect,
councilmember
lockhart
we
do
have-
and
I
presume
we're
going
to
continue
to
have
quasi-judicial
hearings
in
council
chambers
and
the
center
podium
does
not
work.
Well.
When
you
have
contentious
hearings
with
somewhat
irate
respondents,
there
needs
to
be
an
appropriate
separation
between
between
the
two
and
possibly
even
since
I'm
the
prosecutor
in
the
code
enforcement,
a
wall
behind
me
but
but
materials,
but
seriously.
L
I
Actually,
on
that
note,
the
fort
myers
city
council,
their
designs,
maybe
one
we
can
look
at-
they
have
one
like
that
and
the
wall
is
curved
in.
So
it's
not
like
a
straight
wall,
it
doesn't
look
like
a
wall,
but
it
is
a
wall,
and
so
it
has
the
protective
elements,
but
it
also
has
that
double
aspect.
There
I
mean
that's
just
one
to
look
at.
M
M
L
M
D
J
D
G
E
G
I
was
going
to
wait
and
make
this
comment
later,
but
it's
probably
appropriate
now.
Another
comment
that
I
received
is
that
we're
calling
this
a
rehabilitation,
it's
really
more
than
that,
it's
a
rehabilitation
and
an
expansion-
and
I
think
it's
a
little
disingenuous
to
just-
can
keep
titling
it
as
a
rehab.
A
I
think
the
easiest
personally
is
putting
my
business
hat
on
would
be
give
us
a
couple
options.
You
know
low
end
100,
let's
say
a
high-end
150,
I'm
just
spitballing
and
let's
see
the
price
difference
between
that,
because
I'm
100
with
you,
it's
got
to
be
not
to
exceed
and
that's
what
we're
going
to
work
with
in
our
budget.
So
if
it
comes
back
that
150
is
going
to
be
over
what
we
want
to
do
everything
else,
then
we're
done.
If
it's,
you
know-
and
I
think
that's
probably
personally
my
answer
to
that.
D
G
I
I
would
go
one
step
further
again
to
your
point.
Is
I'd
like
to
know
so
what
what
can
we
afford
for
the
whole
project
and
and
then
we
managed
to
that,
because
my
concern
is
if
we
come
back
and
we
look
at
this
and
we
manage
to
a
number
for
this-
that's
one
piece
and
now
and
we
made
a
decision
on
a
much
smaller
number,
because
it
was
just
this
piece.
Well
then,
we're
going
to
look
at
other
pieces
of
this
and
and
manage
I'd
rather
be
managing
the
whole
project
to
a
whole
number.
N
G
What
what
can
we
comfortably
afford
to
do
and
that
gets
your
and
point?
It's
not
gonna
be
more
than
that
and
that'll
drive
the
decision
about
whether
we
can
because,
hey,
I
might
say,
well
yeah,
oh,
that's
only
we
could
afford
200.
That's
not
that
big
a
number,
but
you
add
that
to
everything
else
and
it's
a
big
big
number.
N
All
of
those
options
will
have
a
cost
associated
with
it,
so
that
you
may
be
for
the
whole
project,
correct
yeah,
so,
based
upon
the
information
we
get
today,
the
next
step
would
be
to
design
those
30
conceptual
plans.
And,
yes,
they
could
have
one,
that's
a
hundred
room
capacity,
one!
That's
150
one,
that's
whatever
with
what
we
heard
that
you
may
want,
and
then
here
is
the
cost
options
associated
with
those
and
then
based
upon
that
next
discussion.
C
A
J
Yeah-
and
there
are
there's
certain
things
that
that
we
have
to
know
first
of
all-
and
there
are
certain
base
amenities
that,
regardless
of
how
you
do
the
fit
and
finish
that
you
have
to
have
one
of
those
is
the
dice,
so
you
have
to
have
a
dies.
How
many
seats
is
that
configuration
acceptable?
That's
step,
one,
a
hundred
seats
step
two.
Now,
whether
or
not
you
do
stadium
seating,
whether
or
not
you
do
chairs
like
this
or
whether
or
not
you
do
theater
seating,
a
whole
different
thing.
J
J
That's
three
things
that
we
have
to
look
at
now
and
then,
when
you
talk
about
security
when
you're
exiting,
of
course,
a
raised
dice,
you
always
have
the
accessibility
issues
with
getting
to
it
and
when
you
leave
from
getting
from
it,
so
do
you
want
to
raise
dice?
Do
you
want
it
on
the
level
floor
with
you
know,
seating
behind
those
kind
of
things
are
also
a
question.
It
doesn't
have
to
be
raised
and
many
are
not
then
the
other
thing
after
that
is
when
we
talk
about
the
amenities
that
are
behind
it.
J
So
when
we
look
at
the
type
of
room
that
the
council
would
have
to
meet
with
constituents
to
meet
with
other
people
having
a
printer
that
you
can
use,
you
know
those
type
things
you
can
do
away
with
that
all
together
and
certainly
cut
a
lot
of
money.
But
it's
not
going
to
be
functional
for
you
as
a
council,
whether
there's
five
six
or
seven
people
in
the
future.
So
you
have
to
discuss
that
that
we're
coming
up
to.
But
as
you
go
step
by
step
through
this,
the
first
thing
is
the
dice.
J
D
It
has
to
be
a
curved
dies.
We
know
that
for
sure
that's
kind
of
imperative,
because
this
is
the
only
opportunity
we
have
to
talk
to
each
other.
And
if
you
have
a
straight
dice
we
can't
even
see
each
other.
So
that's
that's
imperative
and
I,
since
all
the
boards
and
committees
have
seven
people
and
alternates,
I
think
it
would
be
important
for
us
to
have
seven
seats
at
the
diocese.
J
We
want
them
properly,
spaced
still,
but
that
gives
the
end
spaces
so
that
everyone
can
see
each
of
the
staff
on
the
ends,
and
I'm
only
saying
that
you
know
my
preference,
I
can
sit
anywhere.
You
want
me
to
I'll
sit
outside
if
you
want,
but
I
prefer
to
not
be
sitting
here
facing
you
like
this.
Simply
because
I
can't
see
the
audience
if
we're
making
presentations
conversation
the
perception
of
the
team.
J
J
J
Also
then
leaves
this
space
for
your
podiums
for
public
hearings,
your
center
podium,
for
you,
know
public
participation
and
presentation
which
gives
you
a
nice
presentation
desk.
It
gives
you
something
to
to
put
your
monitors
on
that
you
can
see
in
the
front
etc
and
leave
your
space
open
here
for
your
personal
computers.
So
all
of
that
that
facilitates
the
wall
is
another
thing.
Whether
or
not
you
want
the
concept
to
continue
with
a
security
wall
like
that
or
do
you
want
an
abbreviated
wall?
J
D
A
D
I'm
not
a
real
fan
of
the
center
podium
idea.
I
I
he
made
a
great
point.
I
didn't
even
yes,
I'm
not
I'm
just
not
a
fan
of
it.
I
think
this
is
much
more
effective
when
we
have
staff
at
one
side
and
then
we
have
residents
can
come
to
the
other
side
and
and
people
who
present
applications
for
different
things.
I
think
this
is
more
effective.
D
Personally,
I
think
when
somebody
comes
to
the
podium
as
an
example
at
the
county
commission
meetings,
they
have
that
center
podium
they've
got
their
back
to
the
audience,
and
people
in
the
audience
can't
hear
what
they're
saying
at
the
podium
they
just
can't.
I
go
there
every
couple
months
for
the
mpo
board
meetings,
and
I
can
tell
people
in
the
back
are
like
straining
to
hear
what's
going
on
at
the
podium,
because
the
microphone
system
in
there
is
terrible
by
the
way.
So
I
you
know,
I
think,
that's
kind
of
an.
K
C
Just
for
discussions
sake,
I
disagree
with
you
not
so
much
because
I
think
one
podium
is
the
answer,
but
I
don't
when
you
have
it
set
up
like
this.
The
people
who
are
speaking
forget
that
they're
supposed
to
be
talking
to
us
they're
talking
to
the
audience
they
show
they
do.
I
think
we
need
to
make
counsel
the
object
of
their
attention
because
they're
supposed
to
be
talking
to
us
and
if
people
in
the
back
can't
hear
us,
we
need
to
turn
up
the
sound
system,
not
redesign
the
room,
but
this
is
not.
C
This
is
not
conducive
at
all.
To
anything
I
mean
there
they
can
be
talking
to
you
know
she.
Somebody
could
be
talking
to
donna
and
we're
out
of
the
conversation.
So
I
I
disagree.
I
don't
think
they
should
be
alongside
the
diocese.
They
shouldn't
be
the
end
of
the
diocese
like
we
have
it
here.
You
want
to
put
them
where,
like
greg
and
and
david
are
sitting
but
not
yeah,
I
was.
C
G
D
J
That
stand
here
also
have
their
back
in
this
case,
to
the
presentation
screen,
which
isn't
always
good
because
they're
turning
and
but
remember
that
when
you
have
the
curved
dies,
you
also
have
that
center
space
that
you
don't
want
to
be
wasted
space,
because
space
is
money.
So
when
you
do
have
something
in
the
center,
it
does
take
up
some
of
that
space
and
gives
you
an
opportunity
for
presentation.
J
But
you
can
also
configure
say
that
you
have
the
you
can't
have
tall
podiums
in
the
center,
because
then
that,
of
course,
you'd
have
to
have
those
on
the
side.
But
you
can
have
side
podiums
for
testimony
in
the
center
table
for
presentation
also
where
people
sit
not
stand
like
when
staff
makes
a
presentation.
J
D
O
D
F
O
I
I'm
saying
I
mean
in
terms
of
conceptually
I
mean
it's
a
larger
room
but
the
design.
I
would
look
at
fort
myers
city
council,
their
their
city
room
because
they
do
what
we're
talking
about
they're
the
circle.
They
have
the
wall,
but
it's
pushed
in
as
opposed
to
straight
across,
and
it
also
has
the
piece
here
so
you're
facing,
but
it
doesn't.
It
feels
like
you're
like
the
audience
is
part
of
you.
I
think
it's
a
good
design.
G
G
N
That's
that's
why
we
have
so
many
sub-consultants,
because
we
did
incorporate
all
of
the
specialties
that
we
needed
to
put
a
cohesive
plan.
Okay!
Well,
let's
move
it
along
okay.
So
now
we
talk
about
your
dedicated
council
space.
So
are
we
looking
at
offices
we're
looking
at
workstations?
Are
we
looking
at?
You
know
the
size
of
that
room?
We've
heard
that
some
people
wanted
to
hold
more
of
their
cabinet
meetings
there
or
other
larger
meetings
with
constituents
in
a
separate
room.
N
G
G
If
I
think
how
I'm
going
to
use
this,
I
mean
if,
when
I'm
preparing,
I'm
doing
a
lot
of
the
work
I
do
that
at
home.
But
I
think
it's
important
to
have
an
office
here,
that's
shared
so
that
when
we
need
to
meet
with
an
individual
or
constituent
or
somebody
that
we
could
do
it
in
a
private
professional
environment.
D
I
I
would
somewhat
agree
with
that.
I
think
we
could
use
one
shared
office
for
all
of
us.
We
don't
each
individually
need
an
office
because
we'll
never
use
it
that
much.
I
would
never
hold
my
cabinet
meeting
here.
First
of
all,
we're
doing
them.
Most
of
us
are
doing
them
through
zoom
anyway,
right
now
anyway,
and
I
won't
have
them
at
my
house
ever
again
unless
they
all
get
vaccinated,
it's
just
my
husband's
personal
preference
that
we
don't
do
that.
So
I
think
we
we
need
a
conference
room
that
can
seat
12
people.
D
That's
my
my
perception,
because
this
one
across
the
hall
is
insufficient
and
we've
been
using
it
for
partially
storage
of
chairs
and
other
things,
so
it's
become
kind
of
a
catch-all
sort
of
a
room,
but
we
need
a
conference
room
that
can
seat
12
people.
I
disagree
on
the
audio
visual
ins
in
this
five
and
a
half
years.
I've
been
on
council.
I've
never
had
anybody,
do
a
an
audio
visual
presentation
other
than
a
laptop
sitting
at
the
table
talking
to
people.
So
I
don't.
C
C
G
So
so
when
I
say
av
equipment
I
mean
I'm
not
talking
about
professional
equipment,
but
I
do
hold
in
person
meetings
and
I
appropriate
the
boardroom
at
the
isles
yacht
club
to
do
that.
So
when
I
say
av
equipment
I
mean
what
we
need
is
a
monitor.
It
doesn't
even
have
to
be
a
tv,
but
it
should
be
a
monitor
hanging
on
a
wall
that
you
could.
G
I
Yeah,
I
was
just
agreeing
with
with
mark,
in
that
I
mean
the
accounting
is
going
through
a
lot
of
growth
there
for
the
city
as
well.
In
terms
of
dynamics,
I
think
we
need
to
have
enough
technology
to
be
on
time
to
be
able
to
be
pretty
much
integrated
with
the
rest
of
the
world.
I
think
we
have
to
have
enough
for
that
or
it
might.
H
J
Just
to
boil
it
down
instead
of
fit
and
finish
that
you
see
here,
picture
the
conference
room
across
the
hall,
yes
bigger
with
a
conference
table
in
it
and
just
for
the
sake
of
discussion
on
one
end,
you
have
something
that
might
facilitate
a
refrigerator
or
a
workstation
that
you
would
have
a
wireless
printer
that
you
can
come
in.
You
can
set
there.
J
You
can
open
your
computer,
you
can
print
things
if
you
like,
and
a
separate
section
that
may
have
a
few
chairs
that
you
can
sit
at
if
you're
talking
to
constituents,
as
opposed
to
at
the
conference
table,
might
be
a
little
bit
more
intimate
setting
that
you
can
sit
and
talk
and
discuss
things
on
the
other
end,
of
course
yep.
You
have
some
examples
here
where
what
was
the
next
slide.
J
Well,
the
one
at
the
top,
of
course,
there's
a
square
room
fit
and
finish
again
aside.
On
the
other
end,
you
would
have
the
tv
that
everyone
can
see
from
or
the
monitor
everyone
can
see
from
the
conference
table.
You
can
connect
your
computer.
So
on
one
end
you
have
amenities
where
you
can
actually
sit
work
print
if
you
need
to
have
a
refrigerator
there
to
put
different
things
in.
On
the
other
end,
you
would
have
your
monitors.
You'd
have
a
conference
table
in
the
middle
and
a
very
benign
functional
ring.
I
I.
F
G
D
Would
agree
with
that,
and
another
thing
I
would
like
to
state
is
this
conference
room
should
be
exclusive
to
the
city
council.
I
have
actually
had
people
that
wanted
to
meet
with
me
and
the
conference
room
across
the
hall
was
not
available
because
it
was
being
used
by
someone
and
that's
not
acceptable,
because
we
don't
have
an
office.
J
D
A
Now,
just
to
piggyback
on
the
exclusivity
for
city
council-
and
I
don't
know
how
much
work
this
would
create,
but
I
know
a
lot
of
rooms
will
have
where
actually
they
have
a
calendar
and
you
book
them-
and
you
know
during
this
time
this
count
this.
This
meeting
can't
talk
today.
This
room
is
being
used
by
x,
y
and
z.
That
could
be
something
too.
So
that
way,
it's
not
just
necessarily
exclusive
to
city
council,
but
it's
a
book
basis
kind
of
thing.
I
don't
know.
A
C
You
know
the
school
teacher
in
me.
I
would
like
to
have
some
place
where
I
could
go
for
it
like
a
morning
and
let
everybody
in
the
city
know
that
on
tuesday
mornings
I'm
in
the
office
and
if
they
want
to
stop
by
and
talk
to
me,
I'm
there.
I
think
that
that
would
you
know
I
when
I
was
teaching,
I
got
a
lot
more
one-on-ones
by
being
available
after
school
than
I
I
ever
did
with
schedules.
J
N
In
essence,
the
annex
parking
garage
into
this
building
in
some
way
shape
or
form.
The
other
things
that
did
come
up
was
whether
or
not
the
departments
that
were
housed
in
this
building
still
belonged
in
this
building
and
if
we're
revamping
space
for
those
sold
purposes
or
not
as
well
as
are
we
looking
at?
N
N
So
anything
in
city
hall
or
the
rehab
and
new
construction
would
that
contain
some
type
of
generator?
Would
there
be
any
need
to
run
facilities
there
or
those
types
of
things?
So
those
are
the
types
of
things
that
we
heard,
that
kind
of
bridge
the
entire
campus
together.
But
again
that
is
not
included
in
the
current
scope
of
work.
J
So
let
me
expand
on
that
a
little
bit
since
we're
expanding
the
footprint
of
this
through
reconstruction
and
we're
modifying
city
hall,
of
course,
in
the
old
garage
that
is
the
clerk's
office
right
now,
right
now,
finance
the
space
that
they
have
and
city
clerk
the
space
that
they
have
functions
well,
finance
does
a
lot
of
work
independently,
probably
the
most
that
we
have
that
interaction
is
between
myself
and
kristin,
or
you
know
kristin
and
different
department,
heads
et
cetera.
That
goes
here.
As
you
come
see
me
the
clerk's
office.
J
Of
course
we
want
that
an
area
that's
very
accessible
to
the
public,
because
a
lot
of
people
come
in
there
for
a
lot
of
reasons,
but
then
there's
some
interaction
between
the
public
and
the
clerk's
office,
and
then
they
might
come
over
to
the
annex.
Building
too
the
annex
building
is
its
own
project.
You
know
it's
it's
ongoing
right.
Now,
it's
being
done
so.
The
question
with
the
connection
was
simply
because
the
footprint's
going
to
be
expanded
and
you're
from
here
to
there
from
the
annex.
J
If
someone
comes
into
the
security
envelope
here
and
then
they
have
to
go
to
the
annex,
they
walk
outside
of
the
security
envelope
and
then
they
have
to
go
into
another
security
envelope
there.
So
it's
two
complete
separate
things.
If
you
have
staff,
specifically
that's
going
from
one
building
to
the
other,
a
simple
connection
between
the
two
buildings
ground
level-
that's
over
here
near
the
parking
garage,
would
be
a
simple
test
to
keep
everyone
inside
the
security
envelope
without
having
to
walk
outside,
especially
in
different
weather
conditions
or
outside
the
security
envelope.
J
J
Security
proposal,
so
that's
what
included
or
expanded
to
include
city
hall
annex.
I
don't
believe
that
there's
any
work
that
needs
done
in
the
annex
that
project's
being
done
now,
unless
we
connect
the
two
to
maintain
that
security
envelope
and
security
for
staff,
space
planning
for
all
campus
offices
and
the
physical
connection,
new
campus
server
room
you
get
to
the
ups,
actually
the
generator.
So
the
thing
with
the
generator
is
yes,
it'll
maintain
our
servers,
etc.
J
But
if
you
come
in
here
in
an
emergency
situation-
and
you
pick
up
your
phone
and
power's
off,
it
won't
work.
So
do
you
want
the
generator
to
facilitate
some
of
the
critical
services
like
a
telephone?
You
know
that
it
may
not
do
now
or
in
these
offices
or
the
office
that
you
may
go
into.
You
know
if
you're
back
there
and
there's
no
power,
and
you
have
to
do
something,
that's
the
question
about
the
generator
and
those
are
basically
all
of
it.
So.
G
Comment
about
the
generator,
if
I
could
my
automotive
background,
electric
vehicles
when
you're
driving
your
electric
vehicle
when
that
battery
capacity
gets
down
to
80
percent,
it's
no
longer
feasible
to
be
used
for
a
vehicle,
but
it
can
power
your
house
for
days
and
and
those
can
be,
and
that
is
one
of
the
subsequent
uses
of
these
batteries.
So
I
would
think
that
we
ought
to
look
into
rather
than
a
generator.
G
We
ought
to
look
at
creating
the
opportunity
and
you
could
stack
these
together.
I
mean
you
could
run
the
whole
city.
Eventually
I
mean
if
you
had
a
big
enough
stack
of
these
things,
we
would
get
green
points
for
that.
We
would
and-
and
we
could
probably
get
those
for
fairly
cheap,
because
if
they're
not
going
to
be
used,
they're
going
to
have
to
be
destroyed
and
there's
an
expense
of
doing
that
so,
rather
than
a
generator,
I
would
look
again
trying
to
be
progressive
into
the
future.
G
Vehicles
as
they're,
replaced
and
and
they'll
be
plenty
of
them.
As
far
as
the
connection
is
concerned
to
the
building,
I
would
think
just
something,
so
you
don't
you
can
not
get
rained
on
and
you
don't
have.
If
you
have
to
go
between
the
buildings
is
really
all
you
need.
I
don't
know
that
security.
You
know
trying
to
join
the
buildings
and
create
a
security
envelope,
maybe
like.
D
N
So
again,
upcoming
milestones
the
space
needs
and
site
analysis.
This
is
primarily
for
the
historic
section
we
will
be
getting
those
within
the
next
month.
Sometime
in
march
and
april,
we
will
come
back
based
upon
all
of
the
information
we
got
today
with
three
plan
options
for
you
to
look
at
with
the
potential
cost
associated
with
each
of
those
options
so
that
we
can
refine.
N
You
know
what
direction
you
want
to
go
in
then
we'll
proceed
into
the
60
plans,
which
will
include
some
3d
renderings
and
again
another
set
of
cost
options,
and
then
sometime
around
august
oops
that
should
be
21..
I
apologize
to
september
of
2022
is
when
we're
looking
for
final
construction
plans,
which
would
put
us
probably
to
start
construction
sometime
around
january
of
2023.
D
D
J
D
D
J
J
I
don't
think
that
the
current
project
budget
is
going
to
fund
it,
so
kristin
will
come
in
and
she'll
tell
you
where
other
monies
are.
If
you
want
to
allocate
other
monies,
that
could
be
anything
from.
You
know
the
savings
that
you've
had
from
the
fish
bill.
Sale
being
you
know,
as
far
as
money,
that's
sitting
out
there
to
one
percent
sales
tax
money,
so
you're
going
to
have
to
make
a
decision
on
that,
but
I
mean
just
the
base
project
that
we've
discussed.
D
F
E
So
yes,
as
the
city
manager
has
mentioned,
there
are
other
funding
sources.
Also,
our
one
percent
sales
tax
money
is
coming
in
better
but
again,
with
the
current
environment
that
we've
been
looking
at.
With
the
increase
in
pricing,
costs
have
been
substantial,
increases
they're,
not
like
normal
inflationary
increases.
E
E
J
J
You
know
ac
freeman
waited
so
enough
said,
so
we
do
have
to
look
at
all
these
factors
when
we're
looking
at
this
last
time,
city
council,
when
we
discussed
gilchrist
park-
and
you
know
finishing
up
the
harbor
wall
projects
and
all
of
that
approved
project
manager-
that
we
could
hire
and
put
on
board,
say
that
we
had
them
for
various
projects
and
had
control
of
that
and
were
more
efficient
than
hiring
outside
agencies.
To
do
the
same,
so
we
do
have
extra
project
managers
coming
on
board
in-house.
J
O
D
P
P
P
The
u.s
bicycle
route
system
is
it's
a
national
network
that
is
growing
in
number
throughout
the
united
states,
and
these
are
bicycle
routes
that
go
across
31.
Different
states,
they've
been
officially
approved
by
state
transportation.
Agencies
like
the
fdot
and
ashtow
ashto
stands
for
the
american
association
of
state
highways
and
transportation
officials,
and
this
is
all
coordinated
and
directed
by
venture
cycling,
which
is
a
non-profit
organization
that
encourages
travel
by
bicycle
throughout
the
united
states,
and
this
is
what
we
have
currently
17
800
miles
in
31
different
states.
P
It
actually
goes
all
the
way
from
the
the
northeast
all
the
way
down
to
key
west
and
we're
currently
talking
with
different
national
municipalities
within
that
area
to
update
their
proposed
routes
with
they're
already
designated.
But
we
go
back
every
few
I
mean
so
many
years
and
make
sure
that
they
haven't
changed
their
plans
or
anything
u.s
bike
route.
1,
I
mean
90,
I'm
sorry
goes
from
tallahassee
to
jacksonville.
P
That
also
continues
from
across
the
southern
tier
of
the
united
states.
So
what
the
proposal
here
is
u.s
bike
route,
15
and
there's
14
miles
right
now
in
georgia,
and
this
is
going
to
be
extended
down
to
madison
florida
and
then
continue
on
down
the
western
coast
of
florida.
So
we
can
reap
some
of
the
benefits
here
on
the
western
part
of
the
state.
P
P
We
need
a
letter
of
support
or
resolution
to
the
fdot,
which
signifies
signifies
the
local
support,
and
so
this
was
the
original
initial
plan
where
we
had
coming
through
punta
gorda
and,
as
you
can
see,
it
kind
of
eliminated,
a
lot
of
the
downtown
area.
So,
based
on
the
comments
that
we
received
at
the
october
meeting,
we
met
and
we
came
up
with
this
new
route.
P
This
route
now
will
come
through
down
from
17
and
then
continue
on
to
go
to
the
harbor
walk
and
around
the
area
there
and
then
to
go
down
to
the
linear
park
and
then
shreve
road
street
two.
So
this
is
all
available.
It's
always
updated
on
bribe
with
gps.
If
you
want
to
copy
those
numbers
at
all
three,
four
six,
three
four
eight
two
eight
that
can
always
be
listed.
You
can
look
at
that
at
any
time
that
any
hospitality
changes
their
route.
Then
we
update
it
on
our
map
and
it'll
be
continuously
updated
there.
P
G
P
No,
not
at
all
now
there's
no
requirement
by
any
local
municipalities
to
do
anything.
If
you
would
like
signage
that
says,
u.s
bike
route
15
along
that
route,
then
that
can
be
worked
out
where
we
can
work
together
on
providing
signage.
That's
up
to
individual
municipalities
too.
The
maintenance
is
just
whatever
your
normal
maintenance
is
because
we're
not
building
anything
we're
not
adding
any
additional
amenities
or
anything
so
there's
nothing
more
than
pure
normal
maintenance.
C
C
P
Either
one
I
mean
I,
as
I
mentioned
before,
a
long
distance
cyclist,
my
husband
and
I
decided
to
test
some
of
these
rides.
A
couple
of
weeks
ago,
we
came
up
during
the
christmas
holidays
and
spent
the
night
in
panagorda.
We
had
a
wonderful
stay,
great
restaurants.
You
have
all
these
wonderful
amenities
here,
and
this
is
the
type
of
place
we
like
to
come
in
bicycle.
P
We
started
out
going
over
to
the
aisles
because
I
didn't
see
the
linear
park
exit
there
yet,
and
so
we
went
south
and
then
we
came
upstream
went
north
on
shreve
and
then
hit
linear
park
and
went
east
there,
and
it
was
beautiful.
I
thought
it
was
wonderful.
Now
we
were
the
time
we
were
here
was
during
the
holidays,
so
it
was
between
christmas
and
new
year's
and
there
was
not
a
lot
of
normal
everyday
traffic,
so
we
did
not
experience
any
any
safety
issues
at
all.
P
We
were
not
with
our
pantiers
since
we
had
been
there.
We
did.
My
husband
did
comment
because
he's
a
straight
a
to
b,
cyclist
where
I
like
to
stop
and
see
the
smell
the
roses
along
the
way,
and
he
commented
that
on
harbor
walk
we
were
definitely
very
cautious
of
the
pedestrians.
That's
where
I
found
more
pedestrians
there
than
anywhere
else
bicycling
through
the
area,
and
so
there
were
times
we
got
off
and
walked
our
bikes.
P
I
I
think
this
is
a
good
map
to
to
start
with.
If
you
find
later
there
and
again,
there
are
not
many
cyclists
that
do
this
at
one
time.
It's
usually
like
you
know
one
or
two
at
a
time
that
come
through
it's
not
normally
a
group.
If
a
group
does
it,
they
would
definitely
stay
off
of
the
pedestrian
areas.
M
C
P
I
and
I
totally
agree
I
do.
I
do
a
lot
of
walking
too,
but
it
was
an
incredible
experience
to
either
bike
or
walk
it.
So
it'd
be
nice
to
offer
that,
and
then
I
think,
if,
if
you
find
in
time,
you
know
we
can
always
change
this.
This
is
something
that's
you
know
can
be
twice
a
year.
We
can
look
at
this
and
move
it
over
to
the
streets
if
it
gets
to
be.
You
know
too
much
well.
C
P
P
And
let
me
just
see
if
there's
anything
else
we
had
here
and
again,
we
just
have
to
have
the
local
input,
both
from
the
city
of
punta
gorda
and
then
charlotte
county,
and
the
benefits
will
have
improved
routes
for
the
cyclist.
It
definitely
is
positive
impacts
for
your
health
and
the
environment,
and
then
your
the
economic
development
for
bicycle
tourism,
I
think,
would
be
very,
very
supportive
here
I
really
enjoyed.
P
We
stayed
the
first
night
when
we
came
up
a
couple
weeks
ago.
We
stayed
at
the
wyvern
river
hotel,
that
was
nice,
but
last
night
I
stayed
at
the
spring
hill
suites
and
they
offered
bicycles
there.
I
noticed
that
free
bicycles
for
it,
so
I
thought
that
was
I
mean
for
for
you,
so
I
thought
that
was
really
nice.
So
just
one
other
comment,
I'll
have
is
that
everglades
city
is
was
designated
a
trail
town
in
2019.
P
This
is
something
that
the
office
of
greenways
and
trails
designates
throughout
the
state
of
florida,
everglades
city
right
now
is
the
only
designated
town
in
southwest
in
south
florida,
and
I
would
encourage
the
punta
gorda
to
look
at
the
benefits
of
having
your
town
designated
to
trail
town.
It
won't
bring.
P
You
know,
like
a
huge
amount
of
people
to
the
area,
but
it
just
puts
you
on
the
map
as
being
bicycle
friendly.
You
have
all
of
the
amenities
here
that
bicyclists
like,
and
so,
if
you
just
want
to
be
on
the
map,
look
at
the
website
just
go
to
florida.
State
trail,
towns
and
you'll
see
all
the
ones
that
are
listed
right
now,
they're
mostly
in
north
and
central
florida.
P
L
P
M
M
M
So
these
quarter
vision
studies
are
a
long-range
planning
tool
they're
intended
only
to
guide
future
fdot
projects
as
they
come
along.
This
is
not
a
project
that
generates
projects
on
its
own.
It
is
a
it
is
a
study
that
is
intended
to
guide
any
future
spending,
so
they
don't
spend
money
the
wrong
way,
so
they
design
projects
that
fit
the
overall
community
intent.
M
We
I,
as
planning
staff,
have
many
years
and
and
discussions
with
fdot
only
gotten
to
see
a
project
after
it
got
to
like
60
design
plans.
So
they'd
made
all
the
decisions
that,
from
a
planning
perspective,
need
to
be
made
before
I,
we,
the
local
government,
really
even
saw
the
project.
So
that's
the
what
this
process
is
trying
to
avoid
is
avoiding
that
they're,
almost
at
the
finish,
they're
ready
to
get
to
the
finish
line
and
you're
like
well
wait
a
second.
M
M
M
So
those
discussions
resulted
in
the
engineering
staff
saying
that's
way
above
my
pay
grade
city
of
pontogordo.
We
need
to
kick
this
to
the
fdot
planning,
studio
staff
and
they
initiated
a
planning
study
based
on
the
city
council's
request
to
move
forward
with
a
planning
study.
That
document
was
substantially
complete.
It
still
needs
to
be
approved
by
fdot
central
office
in
tallahassee.
M
Again,
this
process
was
heavily
influenced
by
not
only
the
local
government,
the
the
elected
officials,
but
also
by
outreach
to
area
businesses
and
other
key
stakeholders
and
property
owners
along
the
court
or
like
the
church,
chambers,
commerce,
individual
business
owners.
It
was
a
very
extensive
process.
M
M
M
This
project
was
really
in
the
works
prior
to
the
planning
study
process
that
that
we
discussed
in
the
previous
two
projects.
So
this
is
one
where
the
city
got
60
percent
plans
here.
City,
look
at
these.
This
is
what
we're
going
to
do
to
your
town
and
it
was
sort
of
a
last-minute
scramble
to
get
any
sort
of
substantive
comments
and
changes
and
revisions
into
that
process.
We
did
manage
to
get
a
little
bit
of
a
delay
in
their
comment
process,
so
they
were
able
to
accept
some
comments.
M
We
reached
out
to
the
various
homeowners
associations
along
that
portion
of
the
corridor
and
asked
them
for
input.
We
received
substantive
input
from
seminole
lakes,
homeowners,
property
owners
association
as
well
as
burnt
store,
meadows
and
burnt
store
aisles
so
that
those
comments
went
into
the
design.
There
will
be
some
some
enhancements
to
pedestrian
crossing
features,
etc.
That
are
the
direct
result
of
those
inputs,
but
the
big
overarching
issues
that
we
as
a
city
had
were
really
not
able
to
be
accommodated
in
this
project,
which
is
really
a
maintenance
project.
It's
capital
maintenance
roadway
resurfacing.
M
M
Most
of
that
section
that
section
of
the
corridor
is
a
county
road
as
far
as
the
city
is
concerning
always
maintained
it
when
there
is
development
activity,
because
there
are
a
few
parcels
that
are
in
the
city
that
that
have
access
to
that
road,
we
have
told
them
that
they
need
to
go,
get
driveway
permits
from
the
county.
We
don't
regulate
that
road,
maintain
that
road
and
have
never
never
done
so.
M
M
D
M
M
C
M
M
M
M
The
volumes
even
projecting
all
the
way
out
to
2045
with
anticipated
growth
and
development,
doesn't
come
anywhere
close
to
failing
the
roadway.
We
don't
really
need
three
lanes,
so
there's
you
know,
is
there
any
potential?
There
is
what
the
study
was
intended
to
look
at.
That
study
was
eliminated
so
in
the
current
work
program,
draft
tentative
work
program,
which
is
like
the
preview
of
what
they
intend
to
do.
M
If
it's
adopted
that
that
study
is
eliminated,
I
have
discussed
city
planning.
Staff
has
discussed
with
fdot
staff
the
possibility
of
doing
a
planning
study
similar
to
the
way
that
it
was
conducted
with,
with
41
northbound
in
the
downtown
area,
to
look
at
these
universal
issues
and
see
if
there
is
any
way
to
incorporate
some
of
those
features
into
the
roadway
resurfacing
project.
M
M
D
Well,
we
just
need
to
keep
in
mind
that
that
is
one
of
the
two
primary
hurricane
evacuation
routes
and
I
would
not
want
to
see
any
lanes
taken
out
of
service
and
in
fact
that's
why
they're
thinking
about
widening
jones
loop,
because
from
taylor
to
the
to
piper
road,
they
want
to
make
it
six
lanes
same
reason.
Yes,.
M
So,
if
the
city
council,
so
this
project
is
a
roadway
resurfacing
project,
if
it
carries
on
without
a
planning
study,
will
have
very
limited
input
into
the
process,
because
all
they're
going
to
do
is
resurface.
The
roadway
there
are
also
some
infrastructure
issues.
We
just
had
a
meeting
a
virtual
meeting
yesterday
afternoon
regarding
drainage
issues
along
the
particularly
the
the
olympia
avenue
portion
of
this.
So.
M
M
D
M
M
M
M
M
M
The
county
and
fdot
are
entering
into
a
cooperative
funding
agreement
regarding
this
and
they're.
Trying
the
county
is
pushing
to
accelerate
that
project
as
much
as
possible,
which
we
should
certainly
encourage
to
provide
port,
charlotte
and
charlotte
harbor
area
sun
seekers
with
a
better
connection
to
I-75
and
hopefully
encourage
any
through
traffic
to
use
those
facilities
instead
of
plowing
through
our
downtown
as
fast
as
possible.
M
The
next
project
that
I
wanted
to
highlight
was
the
north
jones
loop
road
feasibility
study.
This
is
a
county
road
project
limits
are
from
piper
to
burnt
store,
which
it's
really
just
east
of
41,
that
the
the
the
road
are
the
project
limits
terminate
because
they
didn't
want
to
have
to
deal
with
the
railroad
tracks.
As
part
of
the
study
it
was
completed
in
2021,
there
are
recommendations,
it's
really
sort
of
a
three-part.
M
They
have
a
traffic
circulation
section
which
they're
looking
at
from
the
interstate
to
indian
springs
road,
there's
an
interchange
area
which
is
actually
part
of
the
interstate
highway
system,
so
that
has
to
be
considered
under
another.
You
know
different
state
and
federal
programs
and
then
there's
the
strategic
and
modal
system
component,
which
is
really
the
intersection
between
piper
and
jones
loop.
M
The
strategic
intermodal
system
is
a
state
designated
system
of
transportation
facilities.
This
segment
of
jones,
loop,
road,
piper
and
17,
and
the
airport
are
part
of
that
strategic
intermodal
system.
So
that's
why
that
that
intersection
is
considered
separately
so
that
traffic
circulation
piece
fdot's
position
is
that's
primarily
on
the
road
owner.
M
The
next
one
is
taylor,
road
pathway-
and
this
is
from
north
jones.
Loop
road
to
airport
road
and
this
project
is,
is,
is
entering
into
its
second
phase
in
engineering
design.
They
completed
a
project
design
environmental
study.
Back
in
last
year,
they
recommended
splitting
it
into
two
separate
projects:
project
one
is
funded
for
engineering
design
in
2024
from
north
jens
loop,
road
to
airport,
road
and
construction
is,
is
in
and
out
year.
So
we
don't
know
when
that
may
occur,
but
this
project
is
significant,
potentially
because,
of
course,
the
terminus
point.
M
M
M
M
M
I
cannot
speak
to
the
overall
funding
implications
there.
I
do
know
that
this,
the
federal
transportation
act,
has
more
funding
in
it,
so
there
may
be
more
funding
for
capital
projects
most
of
the
state
gas
tax
money
actually
goes
towards
maintenance
of
facilities
both
at
the
local
and
at
the
state
levels.
M
So
the
vacation,
as
it
were,
from
those
excise
taxes
on
gas
that
we
currently
pay
could
potentially
have
a
significant
impact
on
on
day-to-day
maintenance
of
these
facilities,
as
well
as
the
timing
of
roadway
resurfacing
projects,
which
is
another
maintenance.
That's
a
capital
maintenance
project.
Okay,
thank.
C
D
D
L
This
ordinance
was
drafted
after
the
last
opportunity
for
discussion
by
the
city
council.
We've
we've
the
the
gist
of
it.
Is
you
know,
starting
at
the
bottom
of
the
page,
we've
we've
established
the
hours
that
the
parks
would
be
closed
between
the
hours
of
1
am
and
5
am
we've
carved
out
from
the
prohibition
activities
of
jogging,
walking
and
bicyclists
that
are
actually
engaged
in
those
activities
within
the
paved
portion
of
the
of
our
multi-use
trail.
L
So
that's
that
includes
the
harbor
walk
and
other
trails
within
our
parks
and
then
specifically
identified
what
the
paid
portion
was
to
make
sure
that
some
of
the
amenities
that
would
otherwise
be
used
during
the
park
open
times
would
not
be
permitted
to
be
used
during
the
closed
park
time.
So
hopefully,
this
is
consistent
with
the
direction
that
the
city
council
gave
at
the
last
meeting
that
this
was
discussed
and
if
it
meets
your
approval,
we'll
advertise
it
and
get
it
before
you
for
adoption.
D
Several
things
were
brought
to
my
attention
about
the
drafting
of
the
ordinance
and
I'll
just
bring
these
up
for
discussion.
One
is
when
there
is
an
event
at
lashley
park
where
there
is
security
involved.
The
security
rvs
need
to
be
present
on
on
the
harbor
walk
area
behind
the
stage
area.
So
that
is
one
thing
that
needs
to
be
accounted
for
in
the
ordinance.
D
L
The
the
very
first
part
of
the
proposal
says,
except
as
otherwise
authorized
through
permit
issued
under
the
authority
of
the
city
council,
so
those
the
activity
that
you
were
just
referring
to
would
be
provided
for
in
the
permit
that
would
allow
them
to
conduct
those
activities.
Notwithstanding
the
app
okay,
the
ordinance.
D
All
right
and
then
someone
sent
me
an
email
which
I
forwarded
to
the
city
manager,
about
accessibility
to
the
boat
ramp
and
the
harbor
walk
associated
with
the
boat
ramp
area,
because
people
do
go
out
fishing
at
night
and
they
need
to
be
able
to
have
access
to
that
area
and
they
don't
want
to
be
cited
if
they're
going
out
fishing
there's
also
people
who
fish
on
the
piers
at
night,
and
so
we
may
want
to
take
into
account
those
three
things.
Well,
the
two
things
anyway.
J
D
D
J
C
L
C
D
L
At
the
last
city
council
meeting,
we
were
given
specific
directions
on
what
changes
should
be
incorporated
in
the
lease
and
and
a
meeting
was
requested
by
the
representative
of
the
learn
to
sale
organization.
We
had
a
telephone
con
conference
to
discuss
the
revisions
that
were
requested
by
this.
The
council.
L
The
draft
that's
before
you
is
what
incorporated
the
revisions
and
some
minor
clarifications,
and
hopefully
this
will
be
acceptable
to
the
learn
to
sell
inc
and
acceptable
to
the
city
council.
But
that
remains
to
be
seen.
So
I
understand
that
that
lauren
sale
representatives
wanted
to
be
able
to
make
their
comments
directly
to
you,
instead
of
through
the
city
attorney,
which
I
hope
you'll
allow
them
to
do.
That.
H
Morning,
I'm
bob
frazier
from
learn
sale.
It's
really
fairly
simple.
There's
really
only
two
issues
that
were
brought
up
in
the
city
council,
meaning
that
really
for
us
were
non-issues.
One
is
the
drafts.
Are
our
boats?
They're
sail
boats,
they
are
center
boarded,
but
the
center
boards
come
up
and
we
go
out.
They
draw
about
six
inches.
We
normally
tell
them
out
because
our
students
aren't
capable
of
selling
them
out
of
that
basin,
so
we
normally
tell
them
out.
H
Occasionally
we
will
sell
them
out,
but
we
don't
use
the
center
board
when
we
do
that.
So
the
draft
is
not
an
issue.
We
never
requested
the
city
dredge,
we
don't
need
it
dredged
and
we
will.
You
know
we
can't
fund
it
we're
a
non-profit
organization.
We
have
five
thousand
dollars
in
free
cash
and
we
run
about
thirty
thousand
a
year
and
we
struggle
to
get
those
kind
of
donations.
So
there's
no
way
we
can
fund
it.
H
H
I
do
have
one
other
comment,
because
it's
in
the
lease
that
if
we
go
for
expansion
of
any
docs,
we
have
to
become
to
the
city
council.
We
have
no
problem
with
that.
I
just
want
to
make
for
the
record
that
this
signing
of
the
lease
along
with
it
there
is
an
expansion
of
our
docs
and
that
that
was
what
we
presented
back
on
march
17th
in
2021.
We
showed
the
picture
of
what
the
docks
would
look
like.
There's
been
some
minor
alterations,
but
they're
really
minor.
So
this
is
all
part
of
it.
H
The
documents
to
do
that
were
prepared
by
hans
wilson.
Those
documents
are
to
the
city
too
paralegal
and
I
guess
they're
ready
for
signing.
So
as
soon
as
we
signed
the
lease,
we
would
expect
that
those
are
also
signed
and
submitted
and
we
paid
hans
wilson
5600.
I
think
56
no
6700
6700
to
prepare
those
things.
So
we
didn't
we've
never
asked.
In
all
the
years
we've
been
in
business,
providing
this
service
to
the
town,
we've
never
asked
the
city
to
fund
anything.
H
C
Yeah,
I
would
just
like
to
say
that
I
appreciate
the
job
that
learn
to
sail.
Does
I
think
you,
your
organization
is
a
wonderful
asset
to
our
community
and
if
there
was
ever
anything
we
do.
That
shows
that
we
are
truly
a
waterfront
community
teaching
our
youth.
How
to
sail
and
be
on
the
water
safely
has
got
to
lead
the
way.
So.
Thank
you
very
much.
I
would
also
like
to
say
just
a
minute
mark.
C
I
would
also
like
to
say
that
I
think
we
can
learn
a
valuable
lesson
from
this
entire
thing,
and
that
is
that,
when
you're
dealing
in
city
government,
you
cannot
have
gentlemen's
agreements,
because
when
the
gentleman
leave
the
room,
nobody
remembers
what
the
agreement
was,
and
I
think
that's
the
problem.
With
this
entire
thing,
there
was
a
gentleman's
agreement
between
learn
to
sale
and
our
pr.
C
G
C
G
So
at
the
last
council
meeting
we
gave
you
direction
to
add
the
dredging
in
there
and
I,
for
one,
was
in
favor
of
that,
because
we
were
under
the
impression
that
they
needed
to
have
a
dredge,
but
the
fact
that
we
don't
need
to
have
a
dredge
the
fact
that
they
don't
need
to
have
it
dredged
and
as
long
as
they're
willing
to
stipulate
that
they're
never
going
to
come
back
and
ask
us
to
dredge
it
in
the
future.
To
me,
it's
a
non-issue,
so
I'm
I'm!
Okay
with
that.
D
D
Second
of
all,
the
the
newly
drafted
lease
also
says
that
you
are
interested
in
leasing
the
south
dock
area,
and
I
have
a
problem
with
that,
because
that
is
it's
written
right
into
the
lease
is
what
I'm
reading.
So
my
concern
is
that
that
dock
is
reserved
for
residents
who
are
live,
aboard
boaters,
who
have
permits
to
use
that
dock
with
their
dinghies.
L
But
I
wanted
to
make
sure
that
that
the
insurance
provisions
that
are
intended
to
protect
their
use
of
the
lease
area
would
include
their
non-exclusive
use
of
the
south
dock.
That's
why,
in
the
whereas
clause,
it
has
a
sentence
that
says
the
tenant
seeks
to
lease
the
south
area
to
facilitate
its
learning
sale
programs.
D
L
Then
then,
if
the
city
council
doesn't
want
to
give
them
that
opportunity
again,
we
can
take
that
out
of
the
lease,
but
as
as
long
as
they
were
using
it,
and
it
was
my
understanding
that
they
were
going
to
be
allowed
to
use
it,
but
on
an
on
a
non-exclusive
basis,
the
text
is
drafted
in
that
consideration.
Okay,
can.
H
I
address
this
because
I
think
it's
important
the
only
time
we
are
going
to
use
it
is
to
ada
compliance,
and
that
was
the
original
agreement
with
the
with
howard
kunic
in
the
city
we
will,
when
there's
disabled,
we
will
bring
them
down
on
the
city
docks
because
it's
got
the
ramp
and
all
we'll
bring
our
boats
over
and
load
them
and
so
and
then
the
other
time.
Occasionally
we
use
them
when
we're
loading
people
for
a
sailing
program,
particularly
adults,
we
don't
want
them
to
go,
be
put
in
any
danger.
H
L
No,
it
is
it
is
they
it's
included
in
the
lease
and
it
has
to
be
if
they're,
if
they're,
all
the
protections
that
we
want
to
get
from,
the
associate
from
the
group
for
using
the
city's
property
are
included.
So
there's
no
misunderstanding:
if
there's
a
lawsuit
against
us-
and
we
say
well,
your
lease
said
that
you
would
indemnify
us
and
they'll
say:
well,
it's
not
in
the
lease.
L
J
L
J
L
D
L
L
I
L
I'm
I'm
uncomfortable
at
this
moment,
including
that
in
here
and
how
long
of
a
delay
that
might
take
to
get
this
finalized.
I
highly
recommend
we
adopt
the
lease
as
it's
drafted,
with
the
understanding
that
they
have
the
ability
to
come
in
and
ask
for
expansion
and
the
city.
Will
you
know
not
withhold
any
or
unreasonably
withhold
approval
of
that,
so
that.
D
L
H
Excuse
me:
we
have
submitted
the
drawings
to
the
city,
they've
been
done
by
hans
wilson,
they're
part
of
the
the
submission
that
is
going
to
be
signed.
I
hopefully
signed
for
the
fdep
and
the
army
corps
of
engineers,
so
those
plans
are
already
there.
They
are
also
the
plans
that
we
submitted
with
minor
alterations
back
on
march,
17th
and
2021..
H
So
what
I'm
suggesting
here
is
that
we
go
forward
with
the
lease
and
these
submissions
any
any
additional
changes
or
deletions.
We
come
back
to
you
as
a
city
council,
but
we've
already
done
all
this
all
we'd
be
doing
is
delaying
this,
and
let
me
tell
you
what
the
delay
has
cost
us.
The
price
of
plastic
has
jumped
dramatically.
We
were
buying
docks
for
twenty
two
twenty
two
hundred
and
fifty
dollars.
Those
same
docks
are
thirty.
Nine
hundred
we
this
plan.
We
now
are
scaling
back
all
our
plans.
H
This
is
going
to
be
a
three-year
implementation.
We
can't
we
can't
do
it
quickly
because
we
no
longer
have
the
funds
so
I'd
like
to.
I
don't
want
to
delay
any
longer,
because
we
we
have
a
mac
fund
that
will
run
out
in
the
mid-summer
and
by
the
time
we
get
all
this
in
place.
We're
going
to
be
pushing
right
up
against
there.
So
I'd
ask
that
the
city
approve
what
we've
submitted.
L
So
the
paragraph
that
addresses
that
reads
as
follows:
it
is
understood
that
the
tenant
may
wish
to
expand
its
facilities
within
the
north
dock
area.
However,
tenants
shall
not
construct
any
additions,
alterations
or
improvements
to
the
leasehold
without
the
prior
written
consent
of
the
city.
I
think
that
if
you
adopt
the
lease
as
it's
presently
drafted-
and
they
come
before
the
city
with
with
all
the
plans
and
approvals
that
they
need
to
get
from
the
state,
what
have
you
and
the
last
thing
they
need
to
get
from
the
city
is
the
city's
permit.
J
H
J
J
H
None
of
it,
yes,
we
have
to
in
order
to
go
forward.
We
have
to
get
an
fdp
in
an
army
corps
of
engineer
extension.
We
had
permission
for
a
thousand
square
feet,
but
unfortunately,
when
we
went
back
to
the
fdep,
they
included
the
city
docks
with
our
thousand
square
feet.
So
that's
why
this
whole
thing
has
started
over
again.
So.
L
D
L
L
K
H
L
L
J
D
J
D
E
E
J
E
C
C
C
C
P
J
K
J
Me
just
nutshell:
this,
I
think
quickly,
this
one
when
I
looked
at
this
is
the
642
725
that
was
left
after
you
approved
everything
in
previous
meetings.
So
this
was
just
the
amount
from
last
year
that
remains
so.
The
only
question
here
is
really
what
you're
doing
with
the
642-725,
which
and
then
of
course,
the
120
from
the
health
insurance
reserve.
That's
been
tagged
along
each
budget
year
that
says:
here's
your
10
to
12,
plus
120
000.
So
the
question
I
think
this
is
asking
is:
do
you
want
to
make
that
120?
J
000,
that's
been
there
for
years,
part
of
the
permanent
reserve
and
the
642
that
was
left
over
from
last
year.
That
is
undesignated.
Do
you
want
to
make
that
part
of
the
permanent
reserve,
which
is
another
2.3
percent?
So
then
you
would
be
adding
actually
just
about
3
percent
extra
total.
That's
what
it
all
means.
G
I
mean
I
completely
agree
with
getting
our
reserves
back
to
where
they
need
to
be,
and
to
me
to
to
make
part
of
that
permanent
is
a
good
thing
and
to
accelerate
another
part
of
it
is
even
a
better
thing.
So
I
think
the
if
we
have
the
ability
to
do
that.
We
may
as
well
take
the
opportunity
to
do
it
and
and
let's
let's
it's
fiscally
sound
to.
D
D
A
J
Well,
we
know
at
the
end
of
our
five
year.
Yes,
we
know
at
the
end
of
our
five
year
pro
forma
too.
We
still
weren't
where
we
wanted
to
be
with
reserves
right,
and
at
that
time
we
had
said
that,
hopefully,
in
that
five
year
period,
we'd
have
at
least
300
000
a
year.
That
would
add
an
extra
1.5
million
at
the
end
of
the
five-year
period
that
we
could
add
to
our
reserves.
J
D
F
D
E
D
D
With
that,
that
would
be
fine,
I
mean
you
could
so
if
we
took
enough
money
out
of
that
642
000
to
fund
a
half
a
percent
to
the
to
the
reserve
account.
Are
you
all?
Okay
with
that?
Yes,
okay,
okay,
so
take
a
half
a
percent
out
and
then
we'll
figure
out
what
to
do
with
the
rest
of
it
and
when
we
have
the
next
budget
discussion
well,.
J
D
E
E
D
I
D
I
I
G
A
Again,
I
think
it's
just
a
perception
if
we
put
it
in
reserves
and
it's
there,
then
maybe
something
other
you
know
another
funding
source
comes
up,
and
now
we've
moved
that.
So
we
kind
of
you
know
try
not
to
look
at
that
so
much
anymore
because
and
focus
on
anything
else.
If
it's
just
sitting
out
there,
it's
more
tempting
to
use
it.
A
D
D
A
D
E
C
D
E
When
we,
when
we
do
our
budget
update,
we
bring
you
everything
we
get
our
marching
order,
we'll
bring
you
the
long
range
plan
is
our
starting
point.
We
kind
of
bring
you
what
we
think
are
issues
kind
of
get
your
direction
on
how
you
want
us
to
start
building
the
budget
such
as,
like
you
know,
merit
increases
or
what
percentage
increase
are
they
allowed
to
increase
their
operating
budgets?
Things
like
that
and
then
the
divisions
will
work
on
their
budget
building
we
review
it.
E
O
O
We
have
two
alternates
on
the
code
enforcement
board.
We
have
one
alternate
on
the
historic
preservation
advisory
board,
one
vacancy
on
the
police
officers,
pension
board
and
one
vacancy
on
the
general
employees
pension
board.
Oh
I'm
sorry,
that's
nominations
under
nominations
and
for
general
employees,
pension
board.
We
have
mr
william
page.
O
D
J
I
don't
want
to
apologize,
but
I
will
apologize
for
extended
length
of
meetings.
We
have
a
lot
we're
trying
to
accomplish,
and
I
appreciate
you,
bearing
with
us
to
get
a
lot
of
these
things
done.
That
is
a
lot
of
the
information
that
we
need
to
continue
to
move
things
forward.
So
next
meeting
will
be
a
shorter
meeting
which
will
be
good
and
then
we'll
bring
some
of
the
other
things
back
at
the
end
of
february.
But
that's
all
I
really
have
at
this
point.
L
L
L
D
Okay,
thank
you.
Anybody
have
a
problem
with
this
okay,
okay
city
clerk.
Did
you
have
anything
else?
I
did
not
think.
Okay
under
mayor
comments,
just
a
couple
of
quick
things,
just
a
reminder
that
the
state
of
the
city
is
next
wednesday.
This
at
the
chamber,
lunch
at
the
pgica,
I
think
most
everybody
is
registered
for
that,
and
I
know
jaha
you're
going
to
tallahassee.
Are
you
going
to
be
going
melissa?
D
Okay,
anybody
else
mark,
no
okay,
so
city
manager
and
council,
member
cummings
and
myself
will
be
going
to
tallahassee,
there's
a
lot
of
bills
being
presented
at
the
legislature
that
we
have
to
really
keep
a
tight
eye
on
there's
some
stuff
that
could
really
mess
with
home
rule.
So
I
encourage
you
to
read
all
the
stuff
that
you're
getting
from
florida
league
of
cities
there's
some
stuff
that
could
seriously
impact
us
and
all
of
our
obligations
with
regard
to
adopting
ordinances
and
other
things.
D
So
just
keep
reading
and
at
some
point
we're
going
to
be
writing
letters
to
the
legislature-
and
I
just
want
to
make
you
aware
that
there
will
be
letter
writing
this
year.
So
I
will
bring
it
to
everybody's
attention
before
we
do
any
letters,
but
we
sent
some
letters
last
year
and
it
did
do
some
good.
So
I'm
really
happy
to
say
that
that
helped
and
I
think
I
think
we
need
to
continue
doing
that,
because
we
need
to
have
a
presence
in
tallahassee
and
jerry
paul
is
up
there
advocating
for
us.
D
So
we're
going
to
hope
to
keep
things
going
in
a
good
direction.
We've
already
passed
the
first
subcommittee
in
the
senate
for
the
fire
safety
training
facility,
which
is
awesome.
It
has
to
go
before
three
or
four
committees,
but
it
passed
the
first
committee
last
week
unanimously.
So
that's
a
very
big
plus
in
our
in
our
corner
and
hopefully
representative
grant
and
our
two
senators
will
keep
pushing
forward
for
those
projects
that
we
put
on
our
legislative
agenda
and
that's
all
I
have
council
members,
mr
cummings
anything.