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Regular City Council Meeting 11 02 2022
C
B
C
C
G
A
H
Good
morning
I
asked
the
mayor:
if
I
could
give
you
a
brief
statement
before
I
prayed
this
morning,
and
she
agreed
to
that,
and
so
people
have
asked
me
as
chaplain.
What
do
you
think
of
the
storm?
What
do
you
think
of
you
know
and
I've
been
telling
people
that
we
have
all
gone
through
the
same
storm,
but
we
were
all
in
a
different
boat.
H
H
H
Shall
we
pray
Lord,
my
savior
and
King
I
know
that
you
are
my
refuge
from
the
storms
of
life
that
beat
and
crash
against
us.
Only
you
can
sustain
us
and
keep
us
safe
against
the
attacks
of
the
enemy.
Who
wishes
to
see
us
falter
and
fail
to
attain
the
goal
that
you
have
promised
us
restoration
when
no
one
else
is
able
to
provide
support?
You
are
a
rock
of
safety
support
us
now,
our
lord,
for
we
are
tired.
We
are
weary
from
the
struggle.
We
need
your
rest.
H
H
A
Thank
you,
Carla,
okay,
I!
Don't
have
any
general
announcements
to
make
at
this
time.
Our
next
meeting
will
be
on
November
16th.
That
will
be
the
meeting
where
the
two
new
city,
council,
members
and
myself
will
be
sworn
in.
That
will
be
the
transition
of
City
councils
from
the
2022
group
to
the
2023
group.
So
I
hope
you
can
all
join
us
for
that.
A
A
So
the
very
first
day
that
I
walked
into
this
building
several
years
ago.
Gary,
Butler
and
I
became
very
good
friends
and
I
ended
up
being
on
the
board
of
directors.
For
this
wonderful,
wonderful,
Museum
that
we're
in
today
and
the
military
Heritage
Museum
took
over
this
building
almost
four
years
ago
and
with
the
help
of
Fisherman's
Village
who
owns
the
building.
A
We
negotiated
a
lease
agreement,
and
this
is
our
new
home
for
the
military,
Heritage
Museum
and
it
has
grown
to
be
one
of
the
most
outstanding
attractions
in
Southwest
Florida
and
certainly
has
become
very
popular,
not
only
in
our
community
but
all
over
Florida
as
a
destination.
For
folks
who
want
to
come
in
and
learn
about
the
folks
that
served
in
the
military
past
present
and
future.
And
it
is
now
my
honor
to
not
only
be
the
mayor
for
this
city,
but
to
serve
as
the
president
of
the
board
of
directors
of
this
wonderful
facility.
A
And
it
is
with
the
help
of
Gary
Butler
as
the
the
leader
at
the
helm
and
all
the
wonderful
folks
on
his
team
that
they
have
certainly
made
this
the
quite
the
destination
and
it's
very
popular
in
the
community
and
and
outside
of
the
community
in
Florida.
And
so
a
few
months
back,
we
established
a
new
acknowledgment
for
people
in
the
community
who
have
served
as
good
ambassadors
for
Punta,
Gorda
and
I
would
like
Gary
Butler
to.
Please
join
me
down
here
for
a
presentation.
A
So
Gary
it's
a
great
pleasure
to
give
this
to
you.
This
is
the
city
of
Punta
Gorda,
mayor's
ambassador
award,
and
this
goes
to
you
and
to
the
museum
for
all
your
outstanding
achievements
in
the
community
for
your
help
to
the
city
with
all
of
our
boards
and
committees
and
getting
our
transition
to
this
building
for
for
the
rest
of
the
next
couple
of
years,
and
we
sincerely
appreciate
everything
that
you've
done
for
the
community
and
I
for
one
could
not
be
prouder
to
be
part
of
this
organization.
So
thank
you
very
much,
foreign.
A
A
I
Thank
you,
mayor,
I,
do
want
to
say,
cut
just
a
couple,
brief
things.
First
off
it
didn't
you
know
it's
not
one
person,
it's
a
huge
team
that
built
this
Museum
and
a
lot
of
Community
Partners,
but
I
want
to
point
to
one
group
of
people
that
inspires
me
every
day.
Yesterday
we
we
opened
the
Museum
of
for
the
first
time
since
we
closed
just
before
the
hurricane,
and
we
knew
that
there
wasn't
going
to
be
a
line
out
the
door
and
we
did
have
some.
I
A
Every
time
I
walk
in
this
building,
I
I
just
get
chills,
because
it
is
so
emotional
for
me
and
I
just
I
I
thank
all
of
the
volunteers
that
work
so
very,
very
hard
to
make
this
Museum
what
it
is.
It's
the
heart
and
soul
of
the
museum,
and
we
have
several
a
couple
hundred
actually
volunteers
who
take
their
time
out
of
their
personal
lives
and
they
love
it
here.
It's
like
they
come
here.
It's
like
their
camp
and
I.
A
Think
some
of
the
wives
must
kick
them
out
during
the
day
to
make
them
go.
Someplace.
So
I
know
that
some
of
the
volunteers
come
here
because
they've
been
kicked
out
of
their
house
for
the
day.
But
but
but
you
know
you
go
up
into
the
simulator
room
someday
and
just
watch
the
interaction
with
the
folks
who
were
pilots
in
their
previous
lives.
They
were
airline,
pilots
and
they're
working
on
the
flight
simulators.
It's
just.
A
It's
just
a
fun
place
to
be:
we've
Incorporated
a
lot
of
things
with
the
local
schools
and
we're
doing
a
lot,
a
lot
of
education
programs
for
the
students.
So
there's
a
lot
of
things
going
on
here.
I.
Do
hope
that
you
will
think
of
the
museum
when
you,
when
you
feel
generous,
when
we
do
the
giving
challenge
events
and
that
sort
of
thing.
So
thank
you
again
to
Gary
and
the
staff
for
making
it
what
it
is.
So
next
thing
we
have
two
Service
Awards.
A
A
J
K
J
Know
her
very
well
to
make
sure
we
have
an
accurate
payroll.
Every
two
weeks,
Mary
Beth
has
been
with
us.
Obviously
10
years
she
started
as
accounts
payable
and
moved
up
to
the
payroll
coordinator,
she's
a
Florida
native
and
she's
very
family
oriented.
So
she
spent
a
lot
of
time
with
her
husband,
her
three
children
and
her
six
grandchildren.
I
know
she
loves
to
camp
and
go
to
Disney
she's,
very
outgoing
and
always
willing
to
help
in
whatever
area
we
need
her
to
help
in.
L
L
I'll
keep
it
short.
Hr
is
a
tiny
little
Department
in
the
city.
We
play
a
lot
of
different
roles
from
Personnel
to
after
Ian
now
as
risk
management
trying
to
get
the
facilities
reopened
and
the
Damage
restored.
So
it's
been
an
exciting
10
years
and
I'd
like
to
thank
everybody.
It's
been
a
pleasure
foreign.
M
A
youth
mentoring
group
opened
the
young
men
18
and
under
Minister
leaders.
Fred,
Matthews
and
Terrell
silver
provides
support
and
guidance
to
help
them
develop
into
successful
and
productive
leaders
and
whereas,
after
Devastation
of
hurricane
Ian,
St
Mary
Baptist
Church
partnering
with
the
Cooper
Street
YMCA
and
the
nwcp,
which
housed
the
Red
Cross
to
provide
many
individuals
in
service
they.
For
four
weeks.
N
Thank
you
so
much
for
the
this
Proclamation
I
just
wanted
to
stand
and
say,
as
we
reveal
we.
Thank
you
for
your
support
for
the
church.
We
are
doing
a
lot
of
things
to
try
to
help
the
life
as
well
as
the
the
spiritual,
but
we
know
that
we
first
have
to
deal
with
the
natural,
but
we
thank
God
for
you
all
as
we
continue
to
do
and
strive
to
enhance
this
community,
not
just
the
community,
but
the
county
too.
So,
thank
you.
N
A
Now.
Therefore,
the
city
council
of
the
city
of
Punta,
Gorda
Florida,
does
hereby
Proclaim
November
2022
as
National
American,
Indian
Heritage
Month,
and
urge
citizens
to
observe
this
month
with
appropriate
programs.
Ceremonies
and
activities.
Past
and
Julie
adopted
this
second
day
of
November
2022
signed
Leonard,
Matthews
mayor
and
accepting
is
Debbie
Harrington.
O
My
name
is
Debbie
Herring
tonight
I
serve
as
region
of
the
Charlotte
Bay
chapter
of
the
daughters,
the
American
Revolution,
and
is
one
of
our
missions
of
preservation,
historical
preservation.
We
do
honor
the
American
Indian
Heritage
as
part
of
our
projects
and
with
that
being
said,
I
wanted
to
give
a
grateful
thanks
to
Mayor
Lynn
Matthews
and
all
the
members
of
the
city,
council
and
I
am
very
proud
on
behalf
of
our
chapter,
to
accept
this
Proclamation.
Thank
you.
A
Okay,
this
is
the
time
when
we
will
accept
public
input
from
the
from
folks
in
the
audience.
So
I
just
have
a
couple
of
housekeeping
notes
that
I
will
read
before
we
begin
with
that
on
the
screen,
you
will
see
the
rules
of
conduct
that
must
be
followed
in
the
city
council
chamber
and
please
familiarize
yourself
with
those
before
you
get
up
to
speak
members
of
the
public
who
wish
to
address
the
council
should
use
the
guest
Podium
at
the
center
of
the
room.
The
podium
to
the
right
of
the
stage
is
for
staff.
A
A
Police
also
state
that
you
have
been
sworn
in.
If
you
are
speaking
on
a
quasi-judicial
hearing,
each
person
will
have
three
minutes
to
speak
and
sharing
minutes
is
not
permitted.
Speakers
are
to
direct
all
comments
to
the
city
council,
not
the
audience
or
any
one.
Individual
council
member
discussion
between
speakers
and
members
of
the
audience
is
not
permitted
when
there
are
multiple
individuals
who
wish
to
speak,
please
try
not
to
write
lengthy
comments
made
by
others
to
ensure
an
effective
and
efficient
meeting.
A
This
ensures
everyone
has
an
opportunity
to
speak
audience
and
speakers
will
be
courteous
in
their
language
and
presentation,
no
applause,
sidebar
conversations
or
booing
before,
during
or
after
any
speakers.
Please
refrain
from
talking
in
the
audience
during
the
meeting.
If
you
have
supporting
documents
that
are
being
displayed
during
the
meeting,
you
must
provide
copies
to
the
city
clerk
and
thus
will
become
part
of
the
permanent
record.
The
citizens
comments
portion
of
the
meeting
is
not
intended
to
be
a
question
and
answer
session.
This
is
for
citizen
comments.
A
Only
council
members
should
refrain
from
answering
questions
or
debating
issues
with
members
of
the
public,
and
with
that
we
will
allow
anyone
who
wishes
to
come
to
be
to
the
podium
to
speak
to
Council
on
any
matter.
Please
come
to
the
podium
state,
your
name
for
the
record,
and
you
will
have
three
minutes.
P
Good
morning
my
name
is
Michael.
Hirsch
I
live
in
Seminole
Lakes
I'm
here
to
talk
about
your
essentially
repeal
of
the
egregious
unconstitutional
sign
ordinance,
it's
little
Comfort
to
stand
here
and
say:
I
told
you
so
I'm
really
here
to
say
now.
What
are
you
going
to
do
to
make
sure
it
doesn't
happen
again?
P
Most
of
you
voted
and
passed
a
sign
ordinance
that
was
blatantly
unconstitutional.
You
should
have
known
it.
The
only
supporting
document
I
could
have
brought
with
me
is
the
Bill
of
Rights
and
that
could
be
displayed
up
there
too.
You
should
have
known
it.
Your
city
manager
certainly
should
have
known
it
and
I'm
sure
your
City
attorney
knew
it.
The
problem
was
nobody
stood
up
and
said
to
the
council
members.
P
You
can't
do
this,
it's
unconstitutional,
so
what
you
essentially
did
is
passed
an
ordinance
that
has
cost
me
and
everybody
else
in
this
room,
probably
upwards
of
150
to
maybe
two
hundred
thousand
dollars,
maybe
more.
We
need
an
accounting
of
what
it's
cost
in,
not
only
out-of-pocket
costs
for
attorneys,
court
fees,
police
overtime
and
enforcing
this,
egregious
Act
I've
been
a
journalist
all
my
life,
the
past
I've
been
in
radio
and
television,
the
past
20
some
years
as
an
author,
my
livelihood
depends
on
the
First
Amendment.
You
people
didn't
just
bump
it.
P
You
ran
it
over
backed
up
and
ran
it
over
again.
It
was
a
Kyle
schwarber,
three
492
foot
out
of
the
park,
no
doubter.
The
question
is:
what
are
you
going
to
do
to
keep
from
doing
that
again.
I
need
you
to
say
that
you
will
Empower
your
City
attorney,
not
to
be
in
fear
for
his
job
same
for
your
city
manager,
but
to
stand
up
in
public
at
a
city
council
meeting
and
say:
don't
do
that
it
will
cost
the
citizens
at
this
count
of
this
city,
a
lot
of
money.
It's
blatantly
unconstitutional.
P
It
will
embarrass
Punta
Gorda
Nationwide.
You
can't
just
sit
there
and
vote
for
it
in
ho-hum
and
walk
around
and
say.
Well,
we
had
to
do
it
because
people
were
asking
us
to
do
it.
Mr
Levin
and
our
city
manager,
you
need
to
stand
up
and
say:
don't
do
that,
and
the
city
council
needs
to
empower
them
to
do
that
and
know
that
they
won't
be
held
in
fear
of
their
jobs
if
they
actually
do
that.
The
first
amendment
is
just
about
as
important
more
important
than
anything
we
could
possibly
be
dealing
with.
Q
Q
The
work
that
he
did
to
push
forward
the
codes
for
the
building
codes
and
to
make
us
into
the
21st
century
was
really
very
helpful
and
it's
not
unnoticed.
He
was
always
available
to
talk
to
and
to
discuss
things
on
another
note:
I
worked
for
40
years
in
New,
York
City,
and
there
was
a
thing
called.
The
small
claims
court
that
you
as
a
small
business
owner,
was
terrified
to
go
into.
Q
You
knew
you
were
always
going
to
lose
when
you
went
up
there,
but
it
allowed
people
to
have
the
redress
so
that
they
feel
that
they
were
being
taken
care
of
it
made
the
business
owner
more
amenable
to
settling
any
kind
of
conflicts.
The
reason
why
I
say
that
is
it's
the
difference
between
Theory
and
reality
in
theory,
I'm
correct
that
the
person
didn't
have
a
right
to
this
merchandise
or
whatever,
but
in
reality
you're
going
to
lose
and
you're
going
to
have
to
pay
this
money.
Q
The
same
is
true
with
some
of
our
ordinances
and
what
I'm
concerned
about
is
the
ordinance
of
15-48e,
the
recording
recording
of
city
workers.
The
recording
is
dependent
on
the
city
employee
if
he
wants
to
or
not
to
be
recorded
and
therefore,
if
the
person,
if
the
employee
is
feels
good
about
the
recording
or
that
he's
on
the
side
of
the
individual
who's
making
the
recording,
he
will
allow
that
for
public
view.
Q
The
other
thing
is
that
there's
a
disconnect
between
Patrol
officers,
body,
cams
and
Marcy's
law
and
you
need
to
address
the
police,
can't
delete
those
kinds
of
images
or
redact
those
it's
part
of
the
city
council
or
the
the
the
people
who
work
in
the
government
to
do
that.
And
so
you
need
to
look
at
how
you
can
get
those
two
things
in
order
so
that
people's
informations
are
are
protected
in
public
and
again.
Thank
you
very
much
and
thank
you
for
repealing
the
the
section
Z
on
that
ordinance.
Q
That
was
very
important
to
me
and
I
hope
that
we
can
avoid
frivolous
lawsuits
in
the
future
by
being
proactive
and
have
the
City
attorney.
Look
at
these
things
to
see
what
potentially
we
could
be
sued
for.
Whoever
thought
that
Roe
v
Wade
would
be
overturned.
Whoever
thought
that
affirmative
action
was
going
to
be
over
returned.
It
requires
us
to
look
at
all
of
our
ordinances
again
to
see
what
our
liability
is.
A
R
How
are
we
going
to
keep
that
from
happening
again
and
what
are
we
going
to
do
for
the
people
that
were
negatively
impacted,
for
example,
Andrew
sheets,
who
was
fined
up
to
five
thousand
dollars?
Due
to
this
unconstitutional
ordinance
and
a
lien
was
put
onto
his
house,
he
lost
business
and
his
name
was
defamed
multiple
times.
What
are
we
going
to
do
to
keep
that
from
happening
again?
It
has
been
brought
to
multiple
people's
attention.
R
It's
free
speech
it
that's.
My
supporting
document
will
be
the
Constitution
of
the
United
States
of
America,
the
First
Amendment
freedom
of
speech.
What
is
in
that
ordinance
had
nothing
to
do
with
fighting
words.
It
had
nothing
to
do
with
inciting
violence.
It
was
blatantly
unconstitutional
freedom
of
speech.
R
What
are
you
going
to
do
to
keep
her
from
happening
happening
again?
That's
what
the
people
need
to
know
because
remember
you
all
took
an
oath
and
the
police
took
an
oath
to
serve
the
people.
You
need
to
let
the
people
know
how
you're
going
to
keep
this
unconstitutional
unconstitutionalities
from
happening
again
to
where
it
affects
the
people,
especially
someone
like
Andrew
sheets.
He
won
his
State
trial
and
he's
about
his
federal
case
is
about
to
be
settled
and
he
was
even
arrested
for
free
speech
on
public
property.
A
S
You
thank
you
Martha
Russell,
Baretta,
all
right.
First
of
all,
I
am
the
director
of
the
Blanchard
House
Museum,
which
was
the
vision
of
my
mother,
Bernice
Russell,
and
when
we
look
at
all
the
kinds
of
comments
that
are
always
made
about
the
museum,
they
make
us
very
happy.
Indeed,
I'll.
Just
read
you
one
of
them.
This
was
from
a
couple
in
2017.
we
visited
the
Blanchard
house
in
December
2017,
when
we
were
touring
Punta,
Gorda,
Florida,
rich
in
history,
with
photos,
documents
and
displays
to
educate
and
keep
your
interests.
S
This
museum
is
not
to
be
missed.
There
are
two
proposals
that
will
help
us
at
the
Blanchard
house
to
expand
to
be
more
than
we
are
we
we
have
been
around
since
2004
we
were
opened
and
then
of
course,
Charlie
came
and
then
we
were
open
now
and
then
Ian
showed
up
again.
So
we
are
closed
for
right
now,
but
we
are
opening
again.
If
you
go
to
our
Blanchard
House
Museum
the
website
blanchardousemuseum.org,
you
will
see
that
we
will
be
still
working
still
putting
exhibits
up.
S
But
what
I'd
like
to
just
ask
the
city
council
to
please
support
to
new
projects.
One
is
the
Blanchard
house
Institute,
and
this
will
be
the
expansion
of
the
Blanchard
House
Museum
through
the
preservation
of
the
gene
Cleveland
house.
In
that
expansion.
We,
of
course,
will
have
a
cultural
heritage
center,
a
museum
for
children
and
very
very
important.
We
will
be
celebrating
the
historic
Cochrane
Street
District.
We
will
come
up
with
best
practices,
we'll
have
opportunities
for
young
people
to
be
involved
in
entrepreneurship,
growing
up
here
in
Punta
Gorda.
S
What
I
knew
about
the
Cochran
Stu
District
was
its
power
and
was
its
vitality
and
with
urban
renewal
change
things
change
things
changed
and,
of
course
my
community
did
not
want
those
changes.
We
liked
who
we
were.
We
liked
the
way
that
we
served
the
entire
city.
So
I
really
ask
your
support
when
the
proposition
comes
up.
The
proposal
for
the
expansion
of
the
blanford
House
Museum,
supported
because
the
Blanchard
house
is
very
important
in
this
city
in
the
state.
S
S
That
is
just
amazing,
in
fact,
because,
right
here
on
Pine
Island,
we
had
a
maroon
Village
escaped
enslaved.
People
came
from
South
Carolina,
North,
Carolina
and
Georgia
to
Florida.
They
could
get
across
St
Mary's
River.
They
were
free
in
Florida,
and
these
individuals
hooked
up
with
the
Creek
Indians
and
established
and
almost
established
the
Seminole
maroon
Freedom
Trail.
S
T
Foreign,
my
name
is
Dave
Kalin
here
to
speak
on
item
8D,
which
references
the
sign
ordinance
I'd
like
to
start
by
thanking
you
for
giving
the
time
to
speak.
Many
of
you,
as
elected
officials,
have
taken
the
oath
of
office,
which
is
to
defend
the
Constitution
and
the
Bill
of
Rights.
That
is
the
first
role
of
government
is
to
protect
the
people
under
the
Constitution
and
the
Bill
of
Rights.
T
When
we
look
at
the
sign
ordinance
and
what
it
has
created
over
the
past
duration
of
its
enactment
has
been
just
nothing
short
of
shameful
as
we
move
forward.
I
would
encourage
each
one
of
you
to
consider
this
very
carefully
because
just
54
short
years
ago,
a
black
Baptist
pastor
was
assassinated
for
his
political
views
in
free
speech,
speech
that
is
now
accepted
and
cherished
in
our
heritage,
As,
Americans
and
African-Americans-
that
we
are
all
equal
wasn't
so
just
60
years
ago.
T
V
V
V
This
hurricane
I've
been
through
myself
through
two
of
them,
and
my
parents
went
through
a
third,
and
so
this
isn't
one
of
those
we
are
not
in
an
area
where
it's
one
one
in
a
hundred
years,
so
I
think
we
should
be
honest
with
ourselves,
so
I'll
be
following
the
money
and
I'm
also
going
to
follow.
How
long
does
it
take
for
our
community
to
get
back
to
where
we
were
so
we're?
V
This
is
going
to
be
a
process
for
all
of
us
and
a
lot
of
compassion
and
understanding
and
hard
work
to
get
through
this
I'd
also
like
to
quickly
mention
about
those
who
haven't
voted
yet
I
still
suggest
that
you
keep
the
city
council
for
the
next
six
years
for
two
years.
Instead
of
four
doesn't
reflect
on
any
of
you.
It
has
to
review
again
with
process.
V
It
gives
the
charter
Review
Committee
a
chance
to
give
all
of
us
a
report
card,
including
the
citizens
and
the
businesses
and
all
of
us,
not
just
the
city
council,
and
how
we
relate
to
one
another
in
these
next
six
years
in
getting
through
and
making
a
comeback.
So
I
cannot
support
four-year
terms,
I've
seen
what
happens
with
our
Charlotte
County
Commissioners,
so
I'm
against
that,
and
the
other,
of
course,
is
the
referendum.
With
regard
to
casinos
in
Charlotte
Harbor.
V
W
Wendy
Mueller
that
you
thought
I
was
going
to
talk
about
freedom,
but
I'm,
not
I.
Just
want
to
thank
everybody:
the
Public,
Works
division,
the
offices,
the
council,
the
attorney
and
the
city
manager.
I
cannot
believe
that
we've
come
back
so
quickly,
so
organized
and
cleaned
up
just
wish.
Some
of
these
people
had
been
here
not
that
I
want
you
to
have
been
here,
but
the
difference
between
Charlie
and
Ian
is
phenomenal,
and
we
owe
it
to
all
of
you.
Thank
you.
X
X
It's
not
q,
a
all
right,
all
right,
I,
wonder
how
many
people
were
jailed
as
a
result
of
it
on
July
27
2021.
The
board
was
advised
via
email
about
the
necessity
of
respecting
and
protecting
Americans
right
to
protest
and
Free
Speech.
What
changed
your
minds
to
jail
people
after
that
for
signs
for
political
expression
in
a
public
forum.
X
X
Y
Putin's
locking
people
up
right
now
for
protesting
the
war
he's
got
a
big
disinformation
campaign
to
try
and
tell
the
truth.
You
get
put
in
jail
and
a
lot
of
people.
Look
at
that,
and
they
say
that's
terrible,
that's
terrible,
but
this
city
council
is
doing
the
exact
same
thing:
you're
you're,
not
like
The
Wizard
of
Oz
you're,
not
little
little
pushions
you're
little
Putin's.
Y
You
have
to
understand
that
one
of
the
things
that
makes
this
country
great
is
the
ability
to
say
what
we
want
to
say
when
we
want
to
say
it
any
way.
We
want
to
say
it
and
people
like
you
do
not
have
the
right
to
tell
us.
We
can't
the
Constitution
guarantees
that,
and
you
worry
about
how
do
we,
you
wonder
how
you
got
into
this
big
mess.
Y
This
big
mess
started
several
years
ago
when
people
started
protesting,
your
police
that
were
overly
abusive
and
heavy-handed
in
what
they
were
doing
and
in
a
lot
of
ways.
Very
corrupt
and
people
started
monitoring
that,
following
that
videotaping
them
and
seeking
public
records
when
they
came
to
seek
public
records,
you
guys
all
played
this
title
10
chapter
119,
to
violate
their
rights
by
making
them
paid
absorbitant
fees
for
every
single
record.
Y
Every
single
thing
needed
to
be
redacted
when
it
didn't
you
withheld
records
intentionally
from
these
people
requesting
records
and
then
in
order
for
them
to
enforce
the
law,
title
10
chapter
119.
They
have
to
sue
you,
but
in
order
to
sue
you,
they
have
to
prove
that
you
did
not
give
them
the
records
They
asked
for
and
to
do
that
they
needed
to
videotape
asking
for
the
records.
So
what
did
you
do?
Then?
You
made
it
a
crime
to
videotape
inside
public
building.
Y
You
told
people
coming
to
pick
up
the
records
that
you
can't
videotape
you
asking
for
the
records,
which
is
a
violation
of
title
10
chapter
119,
it's
a
crime.
You
can't
put
a
condition
on
the
release
of
public
records
and
you
did
that
and
when
that
wasn't
enough,
these
people
got
anger
and
they
went
out
and
started
protesting.
Y
He
led
you
down
that
dark
path,
because
that's
what
you
wanted
to
hear.
The
first
thing
that
you
should
do
to
straighten
out
this
mess
is
fire
him
because
he
lied
to
you
and
then
after
he
lied
to
you,
he
told
you
he
could
support
this
in
court
and
then
he
took
all
the
taxpayers
money
to
go
fight
it
and
now
you're,
where
you
are
today
and
he's
still
supporting
it.
You
are
God,
you've,
gotten
bad
advice
from
a
bad
attorney,
and
you
need
to
do
something
about
that.
Y
W
A
U
Good
morning,
I'm
Ken
Rowland
I'm,
a
resident
of
Punta
Gorda
Isles
we've
been
here
22
years
now.
I
am
a
licensed
real
estate
broker
and
winding
down
that
business
and
want
to
get
involved
more
in
the
community
on
a
personal
level
as
well
as
second
I
had
some
experiences.
That
I
think
will
be
helpful
in
the
conduct
of
business
of
this
committee
and
I.
Don't
know
what
else
to
say
other.
Maybe
the
council
has
questions
from
me.
U
AA
Good
morning,
I'm,
Jacqueline,
paschko
and
I'm,
currently
serving
as
an
alternate
on
the
historical
preservation,
advisory
committee
and
I,
would
be
interested
in
in
serving
in
a
regular
seat
and
I
think
that
everyone
that
comes
to
this
town
as
a
resident
in
this
town
should
step
up
and
and
do
service
here
and
I
feel
that
it's
serviced
to
the
town
and
also
in
something
that
you're
interesting
interested
in.
So
this
is
interesting
to
me
and
I
love.
AA
AB
Good
morning,
can
you
hear
me
it's
going
to
be
an
easy
one.
Everybody
take
a
deep
breath,
smile,
it's
going
to
be
okay,
I
just
want
to
introduce
myself.
My
name
is
Harry
Wahlberg
and
I
submitted
an
application
to
be
on
the
PGI
Canal
advisory
committee.
I
lived
here
for
12
years
with
my
wife.
We
love
Punta
Gorda,
we
enjoy
boating
and
we
love
living
on
the
water.
AB
I
have
a
I
can't
believe.
I
have
to
have
notes
on
myself,
but
I
do
prior
to
moving
here.
I
lived
in
Long
Island,
New,
York
and
I've
been
active
in
boating,
since
I
was
10
years
of
age.
I
have
a
keen
interest
in
keeping
our
waterways
safe,
clean
and
properly
maintained,
to
provide
for
ease
of
navigation
I'm.
Also
a
member
of
the
Charlotte
County
Alligator
Creek
Waterway
advisory
committee
I.
Think
it's
a
benefit
to
have
somebody
that's
on
both
committees.
AB
Z
B
B
A
AC
Before
I
relinquish
my
seat
for
the
CRA
member,
there
is
an
item
on
the
general
city.
Council,
consent,
consent,
agenda,
item
7e,
which
is
an
invoice
for
services
that
were
rendered
on
behalf
of
the
CRA.
That
item
needs
to
be
brought
forward
to
the
CRA,
instead
of
being
on
the
city
council's
consent
agenda.
AC
A
A
A
AE
A
K
C
Thank
you
I'd
like
to
speak
a
little
bit
about
a
couple
of
the
projects,
but
first
we'll
go
over
the
marina
data.
We
had
the
September
information,
but
I'll
go
right
to
the
October
information.
You
can
see
that
in
October
post
storm
we
had
annual
rentals
still
of
25
semi-annual
of
two
our
monthlies
are
still
holding
in
the
range
of
20..
Transients
was
up
a
little
bit
after
the
storm.
C
We
did
have
a
lot
of
in
and
out
pre
and
post
in,
of
course,
and
The
Moorings
that
we
have
out
there
right
now
are
for
a
lot
of
the
boats
that
were
moored
in
the
harbor
were
moved
to
secure
Anchorage,
so
we
don't
have
all
of
those
back.
Yet
we
have
one
live
aboard,
that's
still
under
our
program
for
liver
boards.
Many
of
those
are
then
moving
to
monthly.
C
If
able
and
do
additional
or
other
slips
that
comply
with
our
submerged
land
lease
and
the
community
room.
Of
course,
we
won't
be
seeing
any
usage
of
that
for
paid
community
room
because,
due
to
storm
damage
intermed
office
complex,
we
have
offices
that
are
moved
into
that
community
room
temporarily.
C
C
Of
course,
they
have
offices
that
are
local,
also
and
had
impact
on
their
offices,
but
in
addition
to
that,
they
do
want
to
conduct
additional
building
assessments
now
to
ensure
that
any
damage
that
occurred
from
Hurricane
e
into
historic,
City
Hall
would
be
added
into
their
Design
Concepts,
if,
indeed
that
was
needed.
So
they'll
finish
those
evaluations
and
then
we'll
be
back
on
track
to
get
the
60
plans
in
by
the
time
we
get.
C
The
plans
in
I
have
third
party
review
permits
from
the
state
everything
back
to
the
consultant
and
then
put
it
out
for
bid
get
a
Contractor
on
board.
We
should
be
well
on
the
way
to
having
staff
back
into
their
primary
offices
so
that
it
doesn't
impact
the
construction
schedule
itself,
so
we're
still
basically
on
track
with
the
project
with
the
consultant.
C
So
when
we
look
at
Gilchrist
Park
Harbor
walk
phase
two,
which
it
appears
we're
not
going
to
look
at
no
there.
It
is
so
when
we
look
at
phase
two,
the
contractor
has
been
moving
along
quite
nicely.
Actually
even
post
storm.
They
were
immediately
back
and
cleaning
up
the
storm
damage.
Unfortunately,
on
the
bottom
right,
some
of
the
nice
trees
that
you
see
that
were
planted
are
no
longer
planted
they're
now
in
the
wind,
so
to
speak.
C
So
many
of
those
were
laying
over
and
had
to
be
replaced,
but
the
contractor
has
done
a
nice
job
of
that
they
cleaned
up
all
the
damage
on
their
site
from
the
hurricane
they've
been
installing
the
diagonal
pavers
continuing
to
move
the
parking
up.
The
street
they've
had
some
base
put
down
for
new
parking
areas.
They
continue
to
move
forward
on
the
project,
there's
a
little
bit
of
a
delay
due
to
equipment
and
tree
damage
on
the
playground.
For
that
part
of
the
opening.
C
The
AC
Freeman
house
Rehabilitation,
we
have
a
draft
scope
for
the
construction
manager
at
risk,
completed
that's
being
reviewed
by
the
Florida
Department
of
historic
resources,
we're
still
waiting
on
all
the
designations
to
see
where
that
falls
out.
We
did
have
some
additional
damage,
a
small
amount
that
was
a
hole
in
the
side
of
the
building
that
was
immediately
remediated,
so
it's
plugged
up
and
we
don't
have
any
additional
damage.
C
Once
we
get
our
seamar
on
board,
we're
going
to
then
look
at
our
funding
sources
and
how
it's
designated
if
it
is
on
historic
register
and
bring
that
back
to
council.
So
we
can
discuss
the
ultimate
use
of
the
structure
that
use
then
what
it
requires
as
far
as
remediation
and
new
construction
and
then,
given
that
what
it
may
cost
and
given
that
cost,
where
the
funding
may
come
from
so
there's
a
large
discussion
there.
C
Abcd
that
has
to
come
back
to
council
say
that
we
can
then
move
forward
with
the
rehab
of
the
AC
Freeman
house.
When
we
look
at
lastly
spark
spark
bed
Lashley
park,
splash
pad,
we
do
have
the
contract
awarded
gordian
for
construction.
Of
course,
city
council
approved
that
September
7th
city
council
meeting.
We
will
be
looking
for
their
final
with
the
subs,
their
final
schedule
so
that
they
can
begin
the
construction.
Of
course,
everything's
been
delayed
a
little
bit
by
the
storm,
of
course,
before
it
was
all
delayed
by
covid.
C
Now
we
can
say
it
was
delayed
by
the
storm,
so
at
least
there's
a
reason.
So
we
have
to
wait
until
we
get
that
in
and
then
we
are
ready
to
begin
construction
of
that
Splash
Pad,
so
that'll
be
a
very
nice
thing.
We
already
have,
of
course,
the
equipment
in
that
we
had
pre-purchased
so
that
we
could
lock
the
price
and
have
it
on
site
when
we
were
ready.
C
C
We
are
moving
forward
with
those
and,
of
course,
the
remaining
projects
in
the
CRA
itself.
Just
in
general,
a
lot
of
cleanup
has
occurred.
We're
still
moving
forward
with
the
cleanup
in
that
zone,
we're
looking
at
more
construction
and
demolition
debris.
Now,
because
much
of
the
yard
debris
vegetative
type
debris
has
been
cleaned
at
least
one
pass
and
then
we'll
be
going
back
through,
but
the
CRA
itself
we're
still
working
on
things
like
their
Hail
Court
Center.
There
was
some
damage
there
that
we're
working
on.
C
Of
course,
Bayfront
Center
was
generally
a
total
loss,
but
Harold
Court
you'll
notice,
there's
some
doors
that
are
missing
on
the
bottom
of
Harold
Court
Center.
That's
never
been
locked,
24
7,
so
the
doors
are
missing
because
the
storm
sprung
the
hinges
and
required
new
hinges,
doers
and
frame
in
some
case,
and
if
you
do
have
them
closed
the
way
they
close
when
people
come
down
the
stairwells
they
get
to
the
bottom
and
can't
get
out.
So
it's
interesting
to
watch,
but
not
a
good
idea.
C
So
we
do
have
those
off
so
that
the
stairwells
are
accessible
and
that
when
people
Park
they
do
have
that
means
of
egress,
so
it
remains
safe
if,
indeed
the
elevator
we're
not
working,
there
were
a
fire
or
something
we
need
a
way
out
and
all
the
stairwells
are
open
and
ready
for
that
use.
So
that's
it
for
now.
Thank
you.
AE
C
Yes,
the
vessels
themselves,
our
PD
has
been
watching
that
we
have
the
45-day
rule
where
45
days,
we
can't
do
anything
until
the
owners
of
the
vessels
have
an
opportunity
to
take
all
means
necessary
to
move
and
Salvage
their
vessels.
After
that,
we
can
start
looking
if
they're
derelict
vessels,
but
then
there's
a
notification
process
that
you
go
through
for
that
also
before
you
can
actually
take
action
and
get
someone
in
to
move
something.
C
If
there's
things
that
are
happening
such
as
we
did
have
some
Mangrove
issues
and
there
were
some
different
things
that
a
couple
of
the
vessels
there
actually
caused.
We've
taken
action
to
make
sure
that
that
was
mitigated
and
corrected,
but
the
boats
themselves.
We
can't
yet
touch,
but
we
do
have
them
on
the
list
and
when
the
time
comes,
we'll
be
able
to
take
further
action.
AE
C
A
little
different
that
one
they're
now
the
storm
hit,
there's
a
rationale
that
comes
into
play,
but
we
did
because
of
the
size
of
that
vessel.
We
had
to
bid
that
one
out
it
didn't
come
under
our
normal
removal
and
Salvage
contract.
We
had
that
bit
out
and
ready
to
actually
remove
the
vessel
storm
hit.
So
now
the
vessel
is
under
a
different
criteria,
but
we
do
have
people
that
now
are
have
submitted
and
are
under
contract
or
will
be
so
that
they
can
remove
that
size
of
vessel.
C
AE
A
I
ask
because
there
is
a
there's,
a
group
of
several
dozen
Great
Loop
voters
that
are
coming
down
the
West
Coast
of
Florida
and
they
were
going
to
go
to
Fort
Myers
Beach
and
they
will
possibly
be
looking
for
a
temporary
Mooring
and
so
I
wanted
to
find
out
how
many
Mooring
balls
and
how
many
available
slips
we
might
have.
If
they
decide
to
stop.
A
AB
A
Foreign,
thank
you
yes,
I
concur.
This
has
been
an
incredibly
quick,
cleanup
and
I
thank
everyone
once
again
on
the
city,
staff
and
all
of
our
volunteers
and
all
of
the
crews
that
are
working
very
tediously
Around,
the
Clock,
the
Howard,
the
holler
guy
and
all
of
his
people
are
working
seven
days
a
week
and
they
were
at
my
house,
seven
o'clock,
ment.
What
debris
was
left
on
my
street.
They
started
on
Sunday
at
like
four
in
the
afternoon
and
they
filled
the
truck
before
they
got
to
my
house.
My
husband's
like.
A
AE
A
A
C
Get
back
to
you.
Certainly,
we've
had
a
discussion
on
what
our
legislative
priorities
may
be.
We
have
our
lobbyist
here
row
would
be
just
yep.
Thank
you
to
help
facilitate
discussion.
There
have
been
some
comments
on
what
may
be
good
items
for
us
to
pursue.
There
have
been
some
questions
about
the
control
we
may
have
over
our
rental
units.
There's
been
the
EOC
and
Fire
and
Rescue
information.
C
Of
course,
all
the
water
quality
initiatives,
things
that
we
had
on
last
year's
a
letter
to
our
delegation,
which
included
septic
to
sewer,
which
is
a
very
large
lift.
Even
if
we
did
get
some
money,
there's
a
large
remaining
amount
for
that.
Unless
we've
got
a
substantial
allocation
that
we
would
need
to
be
able
to
come
up
with
and,
of
course,
any
water
quality
initiatives
that
helps
support
the
goals
of
improvement
of
water
quality
in
Charlotte
Harbor
and
the
canals
themselves.
Those
type
of
water
quality
initiatives
are
always
on
the
Forefront.
C
We
have
a
large
wastewater
treatment
plant
project
that,
of
course,
we
have
some
funding
for
even
through
State
revolving
Loan
Fund,
but
that
project
is
70
to
80
million
dollars.
That's
a
very
large
lift
to
help
comply
with
state
regulations,
not
necessarily
increasing
capacity
substantially,
but
it
does
take
the
capacity
we
have
make
sure
the
plant
can
manage
it
properly,
given
our
Peak
loads,
that
we
have
and
also
then
improves
the
quality
of
the
discharge.
C
That
right
now
goes
down
a
very
deep
hole,
but
you
know
someone's
always
Downstream,
so
those
type
things
are
some
of
the
items
that
were
discussed
and
that
we
may
want
to
bring
forward
to
our
delegation
with
that.
I
would
just
ask
Council
what
your
thoughts
are
on
items
that
we
may
be
looking
at
say
that
our
lobbyists
could
help
us
pinpoint
some
of
the
opportunities
that
may
exist
and
anything
that
you
may
have
Insight
of
what
the
legislature
itself
may
be
looking
at.
C
C
Are
we
able
to
blame
that
on
the
Storm,
it's
another
Ian
thing
so
Ro,
if
you
would
just
introduce
yourself
to
council
again,
of
course
we
have
last
meeting
of
this
Council
next
time.
You're
in
front
of
us
there'll
be
a
new
Council,
but
everyone's
in
the
room.
So
it's
a
good
information
for
everyone
to
hear.
AG
Morning,
everyone
thank
you
for
having
me
here
today
and
thank
you
for
moving
me
up
in
your
agenda.
I
appreciate
that
so
I
can
make
my
flight
home
to
Tallahassee
I'm
Rosanna
Catalano
I'm
your
lobbyist
I'm
with
anfield
Consulting
I've,
worked
with
you
all
I
think
we're
going
on
about
five
years
now.
So
wonderful
group
to
work
with
and
I'm
excited
to
represent
you
all
at
the
state,
capitol
Greg
brought
to
my
attention.
AG
Some
of
the
concerns
that
you
all
have,
and
some
of
the
things
that
you
wanted
to
put
on
your
legislative
agenda,
I
think
they're,
all
wonderful
things,
powerful
things.
One
of
the
things
I
do
want
to
keep
impressed
to
you
is
that
priority
at
the
Capitol
is
usually
given
to
things
that
have
statewide
impact.
So
I
think
many
of
these
do
sort
of
check
that
box.
AG
That
Greg
brought
to
my
attention
and
then
I
think
after
Statewide
impact
I
think
the
legislature
looks
at.
Are
you
working?
Is
it
a
regional
project?
Is
it
something
that
a
group
several
communities
are
working
on
and
I
think
those
are
how
the
funds
are
given
out
if
you're
looking
for
an
appropriation
I
do
think
with
regards
to
Vacation
Rentals
I,
think
that
is
something
that
obviously
we
would
always
monitor
for
you
all
and
keep
you
apprised
with
regards
to
Vacation
Rentals
and
if
there's
any
changes
in
the
statutory
language.
J
AD
All
right,
I
would
I
would
Echo
those
comments.
That
is
the
number
one
complaint
that
I
get
from
citizens
and
it
is
not
while
it
is-
and
this
is
a
this-
is
a
retirement
community.
Let's
face
it,
and
people
want
peace
and
quiet
and
they
don't
want
to
be,
and
not
every
Airbnb
is
bad.
I
mean
I
have
airbnbs
in
my
neighborhood
that
people
complain
to
me
about
and
most
of
the
times,
they're
just
fine,
but
every
once
in
a
while.
You
get
a
big
party
house
going
in
there.
AD
You
know-
and
that's
that's
just
not
right-
and
this
is
not
just
a
regional
issue,
because
when
we
were
over
in
Hollywood
Florida
I
found
out
that
you
can
Google
this
and
there's
a
there's.
A
effort
over
there
that
they're
trying
to
to
overturn
that
as
well
and
and
people
also
don't
understand
how
this
go,
because
there
are
municipalities
that
can
regulate
it
and
the
reason
they
can
regulate.
It
is
because
they
were
grandfathered.
They
had
an
ordinance
prior
to
so
so
people
people
don't
get
it,
they
don't
understand.
Why
can
they
do
it?
AD
And
why
can't
we
do
it?
And
my
only
answer
is
that
that
all
you
can
do
is
code
them
to
death.
You
I
mean
make
sure
they
have
a
business
license,
because
if
they're,
not
they
don't
have
business
license
they're
not
paying
their
taxes,
that's
tax
fraud!
Okay,
so
you
can
get
them
on
that!
You
can
you
you.
AD
Can
you
can
code
them
on
every
single
little
thing,
but
then
that
that
puts
the
burden
on
our
citizens
to
constantly
have
to
to
report
and-
and
they
can't
do
it
anonymously
anymore-
to
report
and
then
on
our
police
department
and
on
our
code
enforcement
people
to
have
to
go
out
there
and
check
this
and
it's
just
it's
just
it's
not
right.
It's
not
fair,
it
isn't
the
same
way
all
across
the
the
state
and
and
it
it's
something
that
I
I
would
like
to
not
have
just
reported
on.
AD
A
I,
don't
disagree
with
any
of
that
and
I
think
if
you
take
a
look
at
some
of
the
legislation,
that's
currently
on
the
ballot,
this
fall
for
other
municipalities,
I
believe
it's
Marco
Island
has
a
major
movement
going
on
that
have
a
ballot
issue
on
on
the
referendum
on
this
ballot.
With
regard
to
short-term
rentals
and
I,
don't
know
all
the
details
on
it,
because
it's
changed
a
few
times
since
it
was
first
proposed
but
I,
but
I
do
believe
that
they
left
that
on
the
ballot.
A
So
I'm
going
to
be
anxious
to
learn
more
about
that
and
find
out
exactly
what
they're
trying
to
accomplish,
because
they
have
a
huge
amount
of
short-term
rentals
in
Marco,
Island
and
also
in
Naples
for
that
matter,
but
but
I
know
that
they're
trying
to
give
their
residents
the
peace
of
mind
again
because
that
has
become
a
real
problem.
So
that
is
definitely
something
we
want
to
look
at
John.
M
M
The
airport
actually
got
80
grant
for
one
of
its
big
Investments
recently
after
the
last
storm,
so
I'm
thinking
for
the
EOC.
The
time
is
now
specifically
because
of
the
hurricane
and
the
regional
planning
council
could
actually
get
in
front
of
that
to
make
it
quote
a
regional
project,
so
I
think
that's
a
viable
one.
Okay,.
L
AG
One
thing
I
did
want
to
mention,
as
we've
gone
around
the
state
and
met
with
our
incoming
leaders
at
the
Florida
Capitol
One
of
the
issues
that
is
going
to
be
addressed
this
session
and
probably
next
session
is
affordable,
housing.
So
I'm
not
sure
if
you
have
anything
that
falls
under
that
umbrella
or
in
that
basket.
But
I
did
want
to
make
sure
that
you're
aware
that
that
is
going
to
be
an
area
that
the
legislature
will
be
active
in
and
opening
statutes
on
in
the
next
two
years.
C
Anyone
else,
okay,
the
water
quality
objectives
that
we
talked
about.
Many
of
those
were
on
last
year's
letter
that
was
submitted
that
was
included
in
the
package
just
for
reference.
Some
of
those
that
were
on
last
year
were,
for
example,
the
million
dollars
for
the
Force
main
that
we
put
out
Riverside.
That
would
be
able
to
take
several
Point
sources
out
of
Charlotte
Harbor
because
they
could
then
tie
into
public
sewer
instead
of
the
mobile
home
parks,
for
example,
that
have
their
own
treatment
plant,
but
still
has
a
discharge.
C
C
So
what
we'd
like
to
do
is
try
to
come
up
with
some
of
the
points
that
we
could
then
flush
out
and
put
together
as
far
as
our
presentation
to
the
legislators,
if
you
have
any
specific
items
that
even
from
this
discussion
or
prior
discussions
that
you'd
like
to
see
on
that
list
to
make
sure
we
get
there.
Obviously
it
sounds
like
some
comment
about
short-term
rentals
or
something
with
that.
Maybe
one
from
water
quality
we
still
from
last
year
have
the
septic
to
sewer
project,
which
we
could
at
least
get
comment
back
on.
C
AG
D
C
And
you
know
they're
always
asking,
as
you
well
know
more
than
me,
but
what
are
the
outcomes
of
funding
they
provide
if
it's
a
training
center
like
last
year,
how's
that
going
to
help
the
local
community?
What's
it
going
to
do
for
training,
quantify
the
outcomes
of
that,
so
water
quality
is
no
different.
If
you
can
quantify
the
end
result,
then
the
funding
level
was
much
more
likely.
Yes,.
AG
A
AC
Please
raise
your
right
hand.
Do
you
swear
the
testimony
you're
about
to
give
will
be
the
truth,
the
whole
truth
and
nothing
but
the
truth.
When
you
approach
the
podium,
please
state
your
name
and
indicate
that
you
have
been
sworn
mayor.
The
first
item
on
the
agenda
is
ax-03-2022,
which
is
the
second
reading
of
an
ordinance
that
I'll
read
by
title.
AH
A
A
K
AH
A
D
AC
This
also
is
the
second
reading
of
an
ordinance
which
I'll
read
by
title.
Only
an
ordinance
of
the
city
council
of
Punta,
Gorda,
Florida,
rezoning
properties
generally
described
as
3200
and
3240
Cooper,
Street,
Punta,
Gorda,
Florida
and
more
particularly
described
in
exhibit
a
attached
tier
2
containing
11.0
plus
or
minus
Acres,
from
its
current
Charlotte
County
zoning
classification
of
industrial
General
to
city
of
Punta,
Gorda,
planned
employment,
centers
special
purpose
planned
development,
zoning
District
provided
for
conflict
and
severability
and
provide
an
effective
date.
AH
A
A
R
AC
This
is
a
legislative
ordinance.
Second
reading
of
the
ordinance
which
I'll
read
by
title.
Only
the
Learners
of
the
city
council
of
the
city
of
Punta,
Gorda
Florida,
amending
the
provisions
of
chapter
17,
Public
Utilities,
article
Roman
numeral,
one
General
Provisions
water
rates
and
article
Roman
numeral,
two
use
of
public
and
private
sewers
and
drains
sewer
rates,
Punta
Gorda
code
to
increase
monthly
utility
rates,
providing
for
conflict
and
severability
and
providing
effective
date.
J
AI
O
AD
AF
A
A
AC
M
No,
it's
not
it's
for
this
because
it's
the
resolution
was
listed
improperly
before
it's
not
to
approve
a
district,
it's
actually
to
join
the
trail,
and
that
was
made
clear.
It's
it's
not
to
do
it.
The
district
was
destroyed
in
1968.
That's
not
to
do
anything.
The
city
already
has
a
marker
on
the
site.
AC
G
G
A
M
M
G
M
One's
even
what
I'm
saying
you've,
not
even
read
it,
because
if
you
read
it,
you
see
that
this
is
not.
This
is
not
anything
binding.
This
is
simply
us
joining
the
trail.
We've
already
decided
already
to
support
this
before
this
is
just
a
follow-up.
It's
no
listen!
This
is.
This
is
a
follow-up
on
what
we
decided
on
city
council
when
we
decided
to
support
the
June
Cleveland
house
being
part
of
the
expansion
of
the
museum.
We.
M
We
know
is
again
you're,
not
you're,
not
no.
There
is
no
addition
to
a
business
district
that
business
district
was
destroyed.
1968..
That
is
not
what's
happening.
This
is
this.
This
is
actually
you
someone's.
Let
me
do
the
presentation,
because
that
is
not
what
we're
doing
the
business
district
was
destroyed.
The
street
was
renamed.
That
is
not
what
we're
doing.
M
Saying
it
was,
it
was
mislabeled
on
the
agenda.
This
is
not
what's
happening.
This
is.
There
is
no
additional
business
district.
This
business
district
existed
already.
It
was
destroyed
by
City
action.
Then
the
city
actually
has
a
marker,
barely
Park,
where
a
restaurant
used
to
be
denoting
it
there.
This
has
nothing
to
do
with
creating
a
business
district.
Well,.
AD
A
M
A
G
AC
Yeah
I'm
a
bit
confused
and
my
comments
were
addressed
to
the
requirements
that
the
city
council
has
regarding
the
preparation
of
an
agenda
and,
quite
frankly,
right
now
I'm
looking
at
three
different
forms
of
the
agenda.
There
was
an
agenda
that
was
in
my
packet
that
I
picked
up
on
Monday
that
has
on
a
regular
agenda
paragraph
eight
item
8B
and
8C,
which
first
a
a
b
says:
City
support
for
resolution
to
be
added
to
the
November
16th
agenda
in
the
support
of
the
addition
of
historic,
Cochrane,
Street
business
district.
AC
M
Has
11
to
222
a
resolution
proposed
city
council
supporting
the
addition
of
historic
college
and
free
business
district
and
then
a
resolution
inside
part
of
the
agenda
packet.
It
is
a
resolution
of
the
city
council,
City
Punta
Gorda,
supporting
the
addition
of
historic
country,
business
districts
located
in
the
pond,
Accord
historic
district
to
the
National,
Black,
Wall,
Street,
Trail
and
otherwise
provided
respect.
Therefore,
again
no
one's
opening
their
their
item.
This.
This
is
in
the
agenda
for
today,
I.
AD
Have
the
item
open
right
here
and-
and
it
is
exactly
what
I
read
here-
I'm
not
opposed
to
this
at
all,
but
I
I
did
not
follow
the
process,
and
this
really
isn't
any
different
than
the
resolution
that
I've
tried
to
put
forth
at
the
last
meeting
regarding
the
additional
two
days
and
I
was
required.
I
read
it
in
to
the
record
and
I
asked
that
it'd
be
put
on
the
agenda
today
and
we
voted
we
discussed
and
vote
on
today.
So
I
mean
there
is
a
process
and
a
procedure
to
follow
and
I.
AD
M
G
AC
M
E
G
M
AC
So
my
concern
as
the
City
attorney
is
simply
that
the
public
be
given
proper
notice
as
to
what
is
on
the
agenda
so
that
they
could
be
available
to
make
whatever
public
comments
they
wish
to
make.
With
respect
to
the
item
now
again,
this
is
the
agenda
packet
that
I
picked
up
on
Monday
and
the
item
in
the
packet.
The
title
says-
and
this
is
the
agenda
document
itself-
City
support
for
the
resolution
to
be
added
to
the
November
16th
agenda
and
the
support
of
addition
of
the
historic
Cochran,
Street
business
district.
AC
M
E
AD
AD
G
M
G
M
AF
AF
M
G
A
Let's
hold
up
for
just
a
minute
as
a
point
of
order.
The
way
this
has
to
work.
If
you
have
an
agenda
item
such
as
this,
it
has
to
come
to
the
council
for
a
discussion.
First,
it
has
to
be
a
discussion,
especially
when
there's
a
resolution
that
has
to
be
adopted.
You
can't
do
it
all
at
one
time.
The
council
has
to
have
a
discussion
and
in
theory
and
concept
they
approve
it
and
then
at
the
next
Council
agenda,
then
you
can
ask
for
the
resolution
to
be.
AB
C
And
I
will
say
that
the
policy
is
that
up
until
the
one-on-ones
on
Monday
morning,
because
of
comments
that
may
come
in
over
the
weekend
from
either
Council
people
or
people
that
they've
discussed
things
with
items
can
be
changed
up
until
that
point
and
that's
why
you
see
a
different
version
than
is
actually
on
the
website
now,
because
these
were
changed
and
updated
on
the
website
Monday
morning.
So.
D
A
AB
D
D
AB
AB
M
M
Right
and
out
of
that,
it
was
finding
a
funding
source
to
be
able
to
do
so.
So
in
doing
so,
I
met
with
leadership
in
the
Department
of
State
and
discussed
with
them,
preserving
the
house
as
well
as
revitalizing
our
downtown
as
an
expansion
Museum,
and
they
then
recommended
a
funding
source
which
was
a
grant
from
the
Department
of
State,
and
it
ended
up
being
that
the
governor
actually
put
additional
money
at
the
last
minute
into
the
budget.
M
So
we
were
actually
able
to
get
the
funding
to
be
able
to
preserve
and
move
the
house
and
basically
create
this
process,
and
so
this
is
called
a
Black
Wall
Street
Trail.
This.
This
relates
to
Black
Rose
Creek,
which
was
in
Tulsa
Oklahoma,
which
was
a
very
Dynamic
business
district,
which
100
years,
the
anniversary
of
it
being
destroyed
last
year,
was
the
first
bombing
in
the
United
States
of
a
domestic
place.
So
this
is
a
presentation.
I
did
before
state
senator
Kevin
Matthews
in
the
Tulsa
Regional
Chamber.
M
After
this,
this
meeting
I
had
with
them,
they
actually
moved
to
the
state
of
Oklahoma,
is
actually
doing
bipartisan
legislation
to
actually
make
Punta
Gorda
the
trailhead
for
the
trail
and
add
14
cities
in
Oklahoma
to
the
trail.
So
just
in
short,
this
is
just
the
mission
of
the
Blanchard
House
Museum.
M
The
what
we
try
to
do
is
combine
the
historical
research
best
education,
The,
Innovation,
Economic,
Development,
good
governance
principles.
This
is
the
Institute
we're
created,
and
basically
it
came
out
of
my
time
on
service
in
city
council
was
recognizing.
If
you're
going
to
do
real,
Economic
Development,
you
actually
have
to
empower
local
elected
officials.
M
What
this
Trail
does
is
that
it
actually
create
the
national
platform
for
which
the
cities
along
the
trail
can
actually
then
argue
to
their
residents.
It's
important
to
focus
on
these
areas.
So
this
is
a
tale,
a
Trail
of
Two
Cities,
the
Greenwood
business
district
in
Tulsa
Oklahoma
and
the
cognancy
business
district
in
Punta,
Gorda
Florida.
These
were
both
very
Dynamic
areas
that
were
very
essential
to
the
economies
of
those
cities.
M
Yeah
just
a
little
brief
thing
on
our
history,
because
the
reason
why
Punta
Gorda
was
chosen
to
be
the
trailhead
for
the
city
is
because
we
have
a
very
unique
history
as
actually
redefining
ourselves,
despite
National
odds.
So,
despite
being
in
a
place
where
there
were
severe
Jim
Crow
laws,
Punta
Gorda
always
acted
in
a
different
way,
and
so
we're
actually
what
you
call
the
little
town
of
unity
built,
and
it
was
actually
a
biracial
settlement
founding
and
development
of
the
town.
M
We
were
seen
as
a
model
for
even
despite
National
Norms
of
how
people
treat
each
other
Punta
Gorda
actually
always
acted
at
odds
to
that.
So
during
the
so,
basically,
we
were
looked
at
as
a
model.
Community
for
our
social
governance
and
Tulsa's
looked
at
as
a
model
for
it's
Economic
Development,
and
so
this
is
the
marriage
between
these
two
concepts.
So
just
a
brief
history
of
our
area.
You
know
we
really
came
out
of
Hickory
Bluff,
which
is
on
the
Charlotte
Harbor
Side.
M
This
was
an
area
that
was
founded
together
with
Lieutenant
Nathan
decoster
and
for
African-American
soldiers.
They
created
that
settlement
which
later
led
to
coming
over
to
this
side.
This
you
have
basically
Dan
Smith.
My
great
grand
Uncle
led
the
survey
team
that
actually
brought
the
railroad
from
Bartow
to
here,
and
he
was
actually
hired
by
Future,
Governor,
Albert
Gilchrist
and
from
this
they
built
this
town,
which
in
1887
was
was
incorporated.
M
It
was
actually
despite
the
times
it
was
actually
incorporated,
as
a
combination
of
African-American
European
American
together
also
is
unique
in
that
the
first
religious
service
held
here
actually
held
by
by
Dan
Smith,
actually
was
both
Jewish
and
Christian,
and
so
from
the
very
beginning
we
defined
odds.
One
of
the
noted
features
of
our
history
also
was
that
we
desegregated
our
schools
voluntarily.
There
was
no
press,
no
police,
no
craziness.
Just
the
parents
decided
that
the
time
had
changed
it
was
there,
so
just
a
few
other
things
about
our
town.
M
M
So
African-American
business
is
located
in
the
central
business
district
until
the
1920s,
then
Moore
then
started
developing
around
where
the
churches
are
still
till
today.
So
that's
Cocker,
Street
business
district.
This
was
a
vital
part
of
the
Punta
Gorda
economy.
Until
the
1960s,
arguably
was
the
heartbeat
of
the
city.
M
The
historic
district
was
lost
because
in
1965
city
council
started
to
indulge
the
ideas
of
urban
renewal
and
after
a
three-year
battle
with
residents,
the
residents
actually
going
all
the
way
to
HUD
to
to
protest
having
their
neighborhood
destroyed.
To
put
in
public
housing,
which
wasn't
needed,
the
city
decided
to
go
within
the
domain
and
destroy
all
his
houses.
In
doing
so,
it
destroyed
the
critical
mass
of
residence
which,
within
the
business
district,
didn't
fail.
M
So
as
a
child,
I
saw
the
very
end
of
the
cockatree
business
district,
which
now
it's
been
renamed
as
Martin
Luther,
King
Boulevard.
This
is
a
dream
Cleveland
house.
So
this
we
go
into
a
bold,
exciting
new
chapter,
so
the
expansion
Adventures
museum
is
actually
through
moving
the
gene
Cleveland
house
next
to
the
Blanchard
House
Museum,
and
this
this
Museum.
This,
like
I
mentioned,
was
supported
by
480
800
grant
that
was
approved
by
Governor
DeSantis
back
in
June,
and
this
Helm
was
the
home
of
Miss
Jean
wedding
girl,
Cleveland.
M
She
was
a
institution
of
Punta
Gorda.
She
was
a
longest
standing
city
clerk
of
the
city
until
retirement
in
1960
1957..
This
is
also
one
of
the
few
remaining
types
architecturally
left
in
the
city,
the
what
we
call
Annex,
plus
the
expansion
one,
it
houses,
the
historic
caucus
business
district
2.0,
which
is
focused
on
the
Redevelopment
of
this
area,
also
is
Florida's.
M
First,
cultural
heritage
center
and
youth
Museum
and
then
lastly,
it's
a
place
to
encourage
and
cultivate
each
entrepreneurial
interests
of
Punta,
Gorda
and
Charlotte
County
Youth,
so
basically
just
went
into
that
also
we'll
housing,
a
restaurant
inside
so
actually
having
a
tangible
in
terms
of
adding
to
the
city
coffers
financially.
This
is
just
shows.
This
is
one
of
the
groups.
We
have
a
Celtic
Festival,
Every
Spring
and
that's
just
that's
a
group
called
Blue
Sky.
M
So
the
Black
Wall
Street
Trail
is
a
National
public-private
Partnership
across
the
industry
is
to
build
an
economic
and
cultural
trail
that
will
honor
and
connect
the
Golden
Age
of
historic,
African-American
business
districts
and
inspire
a
new
generation
of
Black
Wall
Streets
around
the
country
as
a
source
of
share
of
prosperity
and
a
pride
for
all
Americans.
We
seek
to
educate
and
establish
National
platform
for
civic
engagement,
governance,
entrepreneurship,
Heritage
and
culture,
basically
any
place
which
had
a
business
district
that
was
destroyed,
the
urban
renewal
or
just
as
a
need,
sees
an
area.
M
Also,
our
strategy
with
the
Oklahoma
legislators
also
was
to
get
this
Trail
designated
as
a
National
Historic
Trail,
so
we
started
so
our
goal,
for
this
is
to
actually
have
this
done,
for
the
anniversary
in
2026
for
the
National,
Park
Service
foundation,
and
so
already
moving
on
that
already,
you
may
have
seen
the
movie
Green
Book
well
in
this
I'll,
get
to
a
cool
part
on
this.
The
green
book
actually
was
a
travel
guide
that
showed
people
how
to
navigate
areas
of
the
South
that
were
dangerous
in
the
Jim
Crow
days.
M
It
basically
highlighted
all
you
know
the
hotels.
You
can
stay
at
the
gas
stations,
the
restaurants
that
would
serve
you
things
like
that.
So
this
actually
was
a
a
feature
of
life
and
so-
and
this
actually
came
out
of
a
Jewish
guide
that
existed
first,
which
was
where
you
could
safely
travel
as
a
Jewish
person,
and
so
it
was
inspired,
Mr,
Hugo,
green
I'm.
Sorry,
he
from
Harlem
actually
took
the
idea
and
applied
it
to
African-American
community.
So
what
we're
doing
here?
M
We're
taking
the
empowerment
of
local
elected
officials,
we're
taking
the
concept
of
highlighting
these
historic
business
districts,
we're
putting
together
with
the
National
Park
Service
and
it's
things
and
then
the
idea
of
promoting
small
business,
and
this
is
what
you
call
Black
Wall
Street
Trail.
So
this
is
developing
an
immersive
economic
and
cultural
Trail
honoring
connecting
the
Golden
Age
of
historic
African
business
districts
to
inspire
uplift,
New
Generation,
Black,
Wall
Streets
around
the
country,
similar
Trails,
exist
at
a
freedom
trail
Purple,
Heart,
Trail,
someone
to
Montgomery
National,
Historic
Trail.
You
know
civil
rights
Trail.
M
One
other
feature
of
this
is
that,
along
the
trail,
it's
to
recognize
the
Local
Heroes.
Basically,
the
people
who
were
the
entrepreneurs
who
created
this
time
as
well
as
cataloging
them
I
actually
was
had
a
meeting
with
Google.
Yesterday
we
were
talking
about
a
lot
of
technology
companies,
because
the
technology
now
exists
where
you
actually
can
talk
to
a
group
of
Elders,
maybe
ask
them
2
000
questions
and
actually
gain
enough
responses
that
you
can
actually
have
a
pretty
much
an
AI
rendition
that
you're
actually
able
to
speak
to
this
person.
M
So
we
want
to
be
able
to
have
in
each
Community
catalog
that
also.
This
is
where
I'm
going
to
the
edtech.
So
we're
looking
at
also
having
both
this
be
a
physical
Trail,
as
well
as
a
virtual
Trail.
Additionally
working
with
residential
recruiters
there,
so
there's
a
firm
that
actually
specializes
in
small
historic
cities
and
bringing
the
appropriate
businesses
and
so
for
everyone.
On
the
trail.
We
are
also
planning
to
have
economic
analysis,
A
leakage
study
to
determine
exactly
which
businesses,
basically,
what
the
spending
of
residence
already
is.
M
The
the
two
Florida
Liga
cities
conferences
looking
at
the
National
League
of
cities,
conference
working
with
the
National
paralytic
Council
National,
Park,
Service
and
U.S
Chamber
of
Commerce,
and
also
looking
at
right
now
working
to
try
to
get
leadership
Florida
to
have
one
of
its
annual
conferences
in
our
area
and
so
looking
to
speak
there
as
well
and
like
our
governor,
gave
this
contribution,
and
so
Oklahoma
is
actually
right.
Now
working
on
putting
in
appropriation
to
support
the
trail.
M
Also
and
then
I
have
the
what
council
he
was
former
mayor
from
Haines
City,
he's
now
working
all
the
cities
along
27.
So
basically,
what
this
resolution
is?
It's
pretty
much
direct
language
which
of
us
doing
this
any
other
city.
That's
going
to
join
the
trail.
This
is
basically
what
it
does
and
basically,
in
short,
it's
it's
language
which
just
to
empower
its
local
officials
to
be
able
to
do
this,
and
so
this.
M
This
is
just
basically
saying
that
we
seek
to
use
our
unique
sociology
as
a
model
to
honor
and
connect
the
Golden
Age
of
historic,
African-American,
business
districts
and
Inspire
uplift
New
Generation,
the
black
wall
streets
around
the
country,
and
so
these
are
just
some
of
our
figures
before
key
on
Henry
Samuels
was
famous
entrepreneur
here
in
Punta
Gorda.
He
came
and
started
a
great
number
of
businesses.
The
man
on
the
right
actually
was
at
Sharpie
town.
M
M
So,
as
I
mentioned,
what
what
the
ways
that
communities
joined,
the
trail
is
through
resolutions,
proclamations
or
letters
of
support,
and
so
this
was
face.
A
resolution
that
put
forward
you
know
being
the
discussed
later,
that
y'all
can
review
more
carefully,
but
basically
it
it
gives
a
history
of
Punta
Gorda
in
its
unique
history.
Then
it
goes
into
the
history
of
of
Tulsa.
M
It
goes
a
history
of
the
funding
and
support
by
the
state
of
Florida
and
Department
of
State
and
then
basically,
what
what
it
is
is
to
name
Punta
Gorda,
as
as
the
trailhead
for
the
national
Black,
Wall,
Street
Trail,
and
then
let's
be
transmitted
to
our
State
delegates
and
the
governor,
because
they
they
supported
this
very
tangibly.
So
that's
basically
it.
A
AA
A
M
There's
no
carving
out
one
what
we're
doing
we're
simply
recognizing
history,
it's
like
any
other.
It's
like
any
other
situation
where
it's
recognized
as
a
national
place
like
I
mean
like
the
Freeman
house,
will
be
recognized
as
a
National
Place.
It
does
nothing
all.
This
is
part
of
the
concept
and
I
think
this
is
where
the
standard
standing
came.
Is
that
the
cognitive
business
district
was
a
part
of
Punta
Gorda
for
most
of
its
history,
it
only
disappeared
due
to
action
taken
in
68.
M
Oh
no,
what
this
does
is.
It
brings
us
tourism
dollars.
Basically,
Heritage
tourism
is
one
of
the
strongest
I
mean
the
reason
why
Oklahoma
is
so
behind.
This
is
because
Heritage
tourism
is
one
of
the
strongest
aspects
of
Tourism.
What
this
does
is
bring
us
Heritage
towards
people
who
are
interested
in
Punta
Gorda
in
this
unique
history,
but.
M
This
is,
this
is
ethereal
Cochran
Street
business
district
was
destroyed.
What
we're
trying
to
do
is
just
Revitalize
downtown.
One
thing
that
happened
in
68
was
that
a
fiction
of
something
called
the
East
Side
came
about
which
never
existed
before.
We
always
had
one
historic
district,
and
what
happened
was
at
that
point.
The
city
made
a
decision
to
blight
part
of
the
city,
thinking
that
it
was
disposable.
The
problem
was
in
doing
so.
M
AA
M
There's
no
National
Park.
This
is
a
trail.
National
Trail,
not
a
park.
The
Park
Service
funds,
everything
that
deals
with
culture
alike,
for
example,
there's
the
golden
gichi
historical
Corridor.
Is
this
between
Wilmington
North
Carolina
down
to
St
Augustine?
There
is
no
restriction
on
traveling
or
doing
anything
between
Wilmington
North,
Carolina
and
St
Augustine
Florida.
This
is
a
trail
there.
There
is
nothing
physical
involved.
What
this
is
is
support.
What
this
does
is
it
equates
us
the
area,
so
Punta
Gorda
actually
can
receive
investment.
M
D
AF
M
M
AF
E
First
off,
thank
you
for
the
presentation,
I
think
that's
what
we
were
missing
as
Council
on
the
agenda.
We
just
saw
this
and
didn't
have
a
lot
of
back
backstory,
so,
if
I'm
understanding
correct
what
this
would
do,
if
we
were
in
support
of
this,
is
basically
just
to
put
a
marker
in
that
area
that
this
is
what
you
know
what
the
history
historic
value
of
it
was,
and
if
anybody's
Googling
and
looking
at
the
history
of
these
Black
Wall
Street
Trails.
Basically,
we
would
be
on.
A
I
C
P
I
A
M
M
M
It's
similar.
This
is
a
shared
National
narrative
building
you
do
the
similar
Freedom
Trail
is
one
that
discusses
the
freedom
that
people
took
in
terms
of
starting
in
Florida,
going
to
Oklahoma
and
going
to
Texas
a
source
of
Pride
for
all
Americans.
The
seminal
nation
was
a
nation
that
was
formed
out
of
actually
two
different
peoples
that
were
seeking
freedom
in
Florida,
so
Florida
literally
was
the
Beacon
of
Hope.
M
So
the
the
applicants
came
here
because,
basically,
during
the
time
of
the
revolution,
if
you
sided
with
the
British
side,
you
were
guaranteed
freedom,
and
so
after
the
British
lost
the
War
of
1812,
all
those
forts
in
Northeast
Florida
actually
became
African
forests,
and
so
it
became
a
place
where,
if
you
can
just
cross
the
Saint
Mary's
River,
there
were
people
here
to
welcome
you.
And
so
actually,
when
we
talk
about
the
Underground
Railroad
a
lot,
it
was
actually
illegal
by
law
for
the
press
to
discuss
what
was
happening
in
Florida,
because
there
was.
M
These
two
peoples,
together
created
a
nation,
taught
seminals
and
they
actually
fought
two
Wars
to
keep
their
people
free
and
and
the
result
of
the
third
war
which
did
not
lose
it.
Just
it
just
was
resolved
was
that
because
Florida
was
going
to
become
a
slave
state
in
1845,
the
agreement
was
made
that
the
black
members
of
the
Seminole
Nation
could
actually
be
given
free
passes
to
Oklahoma,
and
then
some
of
them
also
went
on
to
Texas
in
New
Mexico.
M
So
you
actually
find
communities
where
you
have
actually
Creek
speaking
Black
Seminoles
still
living
there,
and
so
this
is
something
which
they
also
were
wildly
excited
about,
because
this
this
is.
This
is
a
history
which
is
not
told
in
this
one
didn't
Punta
Gorda,
we
really
highlighted,
and
so
we
actually
did
and
we
did
exhibits
in
combination
again.
M
Another
National,
Historic
Trail,
there's
a
this
is
a
story
which
actually
was
written
and
discussed
it,
but
I
want
to
get
to
I
discussed
about
the
Black
Seminoles
I
just
want
to
get
to
the
point
with
the
atitaki.
So
these
were
the
two
exhibits
which
were
done
and
again
this
will
help
send
all
this
to
you.
M
A
P
AD
M
A
M
A
AC
Yes,
mayor
and
Council
I
have
purposefully
kept
my
comments
regarding
the
Circuit
Court
judge's
decision
short,
because
I
was
certain
that
some
would
perceive
them
as
sour
grapes,
but
given
the
fact
that
the
Integrity
of
the
city,
council
and
City
attorney
was
challenged
this
morning,
I
have
a
couple
of
comments.
I'd
like
to
make
first
to
answer
some
questions.
There
were
only
two
people
who
were
brought
before
the
city
council
City's
code
enforcement
board
with
respect
to
the
violations
of
the
city's
sign
code.
AC
No
one
was
arrested
by
the
city
for
violation
of
the
city's
sign
code.
There
were
arrests
made
by
Charlotte
County
for
reasons
other
than
violations
of
our
sign
code.
Also
to
dispel
the
the
conspiracy
theory
that
was
presented
this
morning,
the
Genesis
of
our
sign
code
revisions
was
actually
a
U.S
Supreme
Court
decision
read
versus
town
of
Gilbert
Arizona.
AC
In
that
decision,
the
U.S
Supreme
Court
found
an
ordinance
that
was
substantially
similar
to
the
city's
sign
code
as
being
violative
of
the
First
Amendment,
because
it
was
predominantly
content-based
restrictions
on
speech.
I
had
advocated
to
the
city
council
for
a
number
of
years
following
the
the
Supreme
Court's
decision,
in
that
case
of
the
need
to
amend
the
city's
sign
code
to
be
consistent
with
the
finding
of
the
U.S
Supreme
Court.
AC
Regarding
the
content,
neutrality
of
our
ordinance
in
the
course
of
developing
the
city's
signed
code,
there
were
certain
instances
of
use
of
indecent
speech
and
questions.
Whether
or
not
the
city
could
constitutionally
regulate
the
indecent
speech
that
was
appearing
on
flags
and
other
signs
following
the
the
presidential
election.
AC
After
doing
a
substantial
amount
of
legal
research
on
the
issue,
I
relied
upon
a
U.S
Supreme
Court
decision
in
Pacifica
Foundation
versus
FCC,
which
was
a
case
that
that
child,
where
the
Pacifica
Foundation
owned
radio
stations,
one
of
which
broadcast
a
a
political
satire
monologue
by
comedian,
George
Carlin
utilizing
a
number
of
the
quote:
unquote
dirty
words
as
he
used
it
in
as
a
supreme
court,
recognized
them
in
a
radio
broadcast
that
could
be
heard
by
children
under
the
age
of
17..
It
was
broadcast
during
the
day
and
the
U.S
Supreme
Court
upheld
the
regular.
AC
The
the
findings
of
the
Federal
Communications
Commission
that
the
broadcast
of
indecent
speech
as
they
were
defined
by
the
FCC
was
constitutional,
given
the
fact
that
it
was
intended
to
protect
children
from
exposure
to
such
indecent
language
I
was
also
familiar
and
researched.
What
was
widely
quoted
and
still
is
today,
a
U.S
Supreme
Court
decision
in
a
California
case
called
Cohen
versus
California.
AC
AC
AC
The
judge
considered
the
precedent
established
by
the
U.S
Supreme,
Court
and
Cohen
versus
California,
and
also
considered
the
precedent
of
the
U.S
Supreme
Court
in
Pacifica
Foundation
versus
FCC,
and
notwithstanding
the
fact
that
the
Cohen
case
was
not
a
signed
case
and
was
a
disturbance
of
the
peace
case.
The
U.S,
the
the
local
judge,
determined
that
our
ordinance
as
related
to
indecent
speech,
was
and
and
and
even
though
recognizing
that
it
was
intended
to
protect
children
under
the
age
of
17.
AC
The
judge
determined
that
our
case
was
our
sign
code
was
in
violation
of
the
precedent
established
in
those
in
the
Cohen
case
and
others
rejecting
the
U.S
Supreme
Court's
decision
as
precedent
in
the
Pacifica
versus
FCC
case,
and
and
indicated
that
that
our
ordinance
with
respect
to
the
indecent
speech
language,
our
sign
code,
was
unconstitutional.
He
nowhere
determined
that
it
was
blatantly
unconstitutional.
AC
He
determined
that
it
was
constitutional,
unconstitutional
and
I
had
and
I
had
I
didn't
struggle.
I
advised
the
city
council
that
it
was
probably
in
the
best
interest
of
the
city
council
not
to
take
an
appeal
of
the
Circuit
Court
judge's
decision
because
of
the
uncertainty
of
the
of
what
our
U.S
Supreme
Court
currently
might
say.
With
respect
to
our
case.
AC
AC
Stating
false
statements
under
oath
perjury
is
an
exception
to
the
right.
Free
speech,
slander
and,
and
libel
is
an
exception
to
free
speech.
There's
a
whole
host
of
other
well
understood
classifications
of
speech
that
are
considered
to
be
exceptions
through
the
first
amendment's
right
of
free
speech
and
as
I
had
researched
the
case
law
and
again,
relying
predominantly
on
the
Pacifica
Foundation
versus
FCC
case,
which
which
it
intended
to
address
the
same
concerns
we
had
when
we
adopted
our
ordinance,
recognized
indecent
speech
as
an
exception
to
the
right
of
free
speech.
AC
AF
AC
Right
so
I
was
not
and
am
not
directly
involved
in
that
case,
but
it
was
my
understanding
that
the
that
Mr
sheets
was
cited
for
things
that
were
not
directly
related
to
the
sign
language.
On
the
sign
itself,
it
was
his
behavior
that
caused
the
the
Sheriff's
Office
to
enforce
their
codes,
not
the
city
sign
code,
okay,.
A
M
I
I
had
problems
with
this
shortly
after
it
was
passed
because,
again,
like
David,
said
that
the
purpose
of
this
was
actually
to
ameliorate
to
create
a
Content
neutral
code
based
on
our
passcode.
The
issues
I
saw
was
that
I
found
that
some
of
some
of
us,
some
of
our
members,
were
actually
using
the
code,
then
as
a
way
to
actually
openly
basically
say
to
restrict
speech.
I,
don't
like
seeing
this
sign.
I,
don't
like
seeing
this.
AA
M
And
I
found
that
once
we
added
the
intent
behind
it,
that
actually
did
I
did
see
it
as
becoming
restricted
of
speech,
but
I
didn't
say
anything
because
it
was
going
through
litigation,
so
I
just
waited
until
it
was
done.
But
I
I
am
happy
we're
here,
because
I
do
feel
that
in
the
air
there
is
some
intent
to
restrict
speech
through
this
and
so
I
think
it's
better.
We
take
that
language
out
of
the
code.
A
AC
It
would
not
need
to
come
back
before
the
Planning
Commission
it,
but
the
the
procedure
has
always
been
that
before
we
present
to
you
an
ordinance
for
adoption
that
we
presented
to
you
that
the
text
or
the
the
concept
for
your
discussion
and
then
determination
as
to
whether
you
would
authorize
the
preparation
of
the
ordinance
So
pursuant
to
that
policy.
That's
what
I
put
on
the
agenda
today
and
again
would
request
your
authorization
to
prepare
an
ordinance
that
would
come
back
before
you
amending
the
code
as
I
provided
in
my
memo.
A
AB
D
A
AC
A
AC
AJ
AJ
We
made
some
changes
to
our
comprehensive
plan.
We
have
several
drafts
waiting
to
be
reviewed
against
the
final
Land
Development
regulation
changes
and
they
will
be
added
to
the
updated
then
to
the
comprehensive
plan
Elements,
which
we
will
then
submit
at
the
end
of
this,
of
2023
to
the
Department
of
Economic
Opportunity.
At
last
council
meeting
you,
you
approved
the
transmittal
of
the
letter
to
the
Department
of
Economic
Opportunity.
It
has
been
received
by
them
and
we
are
scheduled.
We
are
on
their
timeline.
AJ
D
AJ
AJ
Building
Heights
the
old
Community
benefits
program
has
been
redesigned
and
it
now
ensures
that
developers
have
to
provide
value
for
certain
things,
and
so,
as
we
get
through
the
presentation,
you'll
see
how
those
contributions
are
much
better
defined,
and
then
we
have
recommended
edits.
Some
of
you
provided
a
very
nice,
a
substantial
amount
of
Corrections
that
need
to
be
made,
and
those
will
be
added
to
the
final
draft
that
will
come
before
you
back
in
I.
Think
before
you
went
on
vacation.
AJ
We
we
had
one
meeting
where
we
discussed
the
parking
changes,
which
was
a
big
topic
among
everybody.
So
in
the
old
code
it
was
one
space
per
dwelling
unit.
It
is
now
two
spaces
per
dwelling
unit,
so
we
have
taken
that
first
draft
and
changed
it.
We
maintained
the
office
and
Retail
and
institutional
medical
government
amount
of
one
space
per
1000
square
feet.
There
is
no
Industrial
in
those
areas
and
the
marina,
then
we
kept
at
one
I
space
per
boat
slip
for
two
boat
slips.
AJ
In
addition,
at
that
same
meeting
we
discussed
Building
height
and
there
seemed
to
be
a
consensus
on
the
80
feet.
So
we
stuck
with
that
when
we
talked
with
our
consultants
in
the
updated
version
of
the
code
testing
that
will
be
brought
to
you
next,
so
we
increased
the
maximum
height
for
the
medical
uses
from
60
feet
to
80
feet,
and
then
we
reduce
the
maximum
height
in
that
same
area
for
non-medical
uses
from
60
feet
back
down
to
the
original
35
feet.
So
those
were
the
two
changes
for
Building
height.
AJ
With
that
I'm
going
to
turn
the
presentation
over
to
Mitchell,
and
we
will
begin
the
contribution
program
changes.
We
do
find
that
it
is
a
streamlined
program.
We
reduce
the
categories
that
were
provided
when
we
presented
originally.
We
did
not
know
how
Council
would
feel
about
that.
So
there
were
quite
a
bit
of
ambiguity
in
the
presentation
on
community
benefits,
so
we
reduced
the
categories
for
the
developer
to
contribute
down
from
seven
to
four.
We
limited
it
to
Key
areas.
AJ
Only
there
are
program
requirements,
as
I
said
that
will
strengthen
the
detail
in
which
the
contribution
is
made
and
the
developer
is
required
to
do
it.
It's
not
a
small
item.
It
will
be
a
substantial
impact
on
his
development.
If
he
chooses
to
utilize
it
and
then
the
approval
process
is
in
two
stages,
it
will
have
City
staff,
technical
review
and
city
council
final
action
on
all
the
final
proposals.
C
I
want
to
make
two
comments
before
we
go
there,
one
some
of
well.
This
zone
is
still
in
the
CRA.
So
when
you
look
online
at
this
intent
of
the
CRA
and
the
encouragement
for
redevelopment
to
increase
the
tax
base
with
private
contribution,
when
you
look
at
some
of
the
parking
like
one
per
thousand
square
feet
of
retail,
it
is
still
in
the
CRA
and
part
of
what
would
be
deemed
the
parking
plan
that
enhances
the
parking
required
down
there.
C
Number
two
is
that
previously,
if
you
were
at
80
feet
and
you
wanted
to
go
higher,
you
could
buy
up
through
the
community
benefits
that
Jane
referenced,
and
obviously
that
was
not
something
that
was
well
received.
So
this
turns
that
inside
out
and
while
developer
still
has
to
provide
something,
if
you're
going
to
be
at
the
80
foot,
height
and
Council
didn't
specify
this
specifically,
but
there's
two
things
one.
You
are
now
required
to
provide
the
city
more.
F
Thank
you
for
the
record
Mitchell
Austin
Urban
Design.
As
John
LeBeau
stated,
we
have
streamlined
the
developer
contribution
program.
Just
as
a
point
of
clarification.
There
is
a
main
street
overlay
District
that
nests
within
the
proposed
downtown
core
regulating
District.
The
developer
contribution
program
is
not
applicable
within
that
Main
Street
overlay.
The
purpose
of
the
Main
Street
overlay
is
to
protect
existing
historic
structures
and
streetscapes.
AC
AC
Yes,
is
there
any
reason
why
you
can't
call
that
development
developer
mitigation,
as
opposed
to
contribution
I
mean
mitigation,
is
consistent
with
the
idea
that
developers
to
be
consistent
with
the
case
law
relating
to
regulatory
takings
may
be
required
to
mitigate
or
offset
the
impacts
associated
with
their
project.
The
idea
of
contribution
suggests
that
they're
being
they're
paying
for
a
benefit
that
they
wouldn't
otherwise
be
entitled
to.
Okay,.
F
Yes,
certainly
we
can
we
can.
We
can
take
that
advisement
and
and
modify
the
text
so
that
it
reflects
that
I.
Think
for
our
purposes
in
the
department
and
plan
is
really
about
the
the
content
of
the
program.
The
the
nomenclature
surrounding
it
definitely
needs
to
be
compliant
with
with
legal
president.
F
So
this
system
is
designed
as
a
points-based
system,
where
the
the
con,
the
contributions
we'll
stick
with
that
nomenclature
for
the
presentation
police,
the
these
contributions,
that
the
developer
makes
earn
them
points
and
those
points
can
be
converted
into
additional
dwelling
units
per
acre
or
additional
Building
height
in
terms
of
feet.
The
example
on
the
screen
shows
how
public
parking
could
be
added
to
a
site
or
public
open
space
which
may
lead
to
additional
points
allowing
additional
residential
density
or
Building
height.
F
It's
important
to
know
that,
no
matter
how
many
points
could
be
earned
through
this
program,
they
could
only
be
converted
up
to
the
maximum
allowable
Heights
and
densities
within
the
program
for
each
of
the
regulating
districts.
So
there's
no
way
to
exceed
those
maximum
maximums
foreign,
the
first
and
one
of
the
the
first
category
is
Workforce
housing
and
again
this
is
a
maximum
of
20
points
could
be
earned.
F
They
receive
a
point
for
every
percentage
if
they
are
doing
moderate
income
housing,
which
would
be
approximately
80
to
100
120
percent
of
area
median
income.
They
would
receive
one
point
for
every
1.5
percent
of
the
total
number
of
units
on
project
that
were
proposed
to
be
so
restricted
again
the
maximum
they
could
earn
through.
That
is
20
points.
F
So
additional
requirements
these
units
could
be
either
for
sale
or
when
rental
dwellings,
the
Punta
Gorda
Housing
Authority,
has
a
a
role
in
helping
us
review.
Those
proposed
agreements,
the
minimum
time
frame
for
affordability,
is
40
years
from
the
date
of
first
occupancy
of
the
structure,
and
these
restrictive
covenants
must
be
recorded
so
that
they
carry
with
the
land
final
approval
for
any
any
of
these
proposed
agreements
is
by
City
Council,
which
I
think
is
keeping.
F
Public
open
space-
this
is
again
is
a
points.
Calculation.
There
are
three
levels
from
five
to
fifteen
percent
of
the
total
Site
Area,
so
the
maximum
one
could
earn.
Is
that
10
points
for
15
percent
of
the
site
area?
The
minimum
development
size
of
a
lot
is
20
000
square
feet.
Under
this
portion
of
the
program,
the
the
open
space
created
that
public
open
space
will
be
privately
owned.
It
must
be
accessible
to
the
public
from
a
public
Street.
A
right-of-way
vehicular
circulation
areas
do
not
qualify
explicitly
for
this
program.
F
F
C
So
just
so,
let
me
stop
there
just
for
a
second
each.
One
of
these
is
said,
final
approval
by
city
council,
and
what
that
means
is
that
city
council
will
be
provided
the
project,
the
Heights
and
the
checklist,
so
that
you
can
ensure
check,
check,
check.
They
got
there
by
following
what
you
approved,
so
it
doesn't
allow
any
changes
to
the
ordinance
once
it's
written
and
approved,
but
it
does
allow
you
to
verify
that
all
criteria
was
met
by
the
developer.
Before
final
approval
was
given.
F
So
in
terms
of
of
best
practices
and
planning
for
providing
public
parking
in
a
Redevelopment
area
like
this,
we
definitely
need
to
re-evaluate
the
existing
parking
utilization
in
the
downtown
area.
The
last
of
value
such
evaluation
was
done
in
2006,
which
is
quite
a
long
time
ago.
We
need
to
identify
those
potential
sites
for
Parking
Solutions,
whether
they're,
public-private
partnership
areas
or
Public
public
are
exclusively
city.
C
Over
time
since
this
will
be
part
of
the
discussion,
because
this
is
not
baked
into
the
presentation
itself-
I
just
want
to
bring
up
a
couple
points
that,
when
you're
doing
the
required
amount
of
parking.
So
if
you
had
250
units,
you
had
to
put
500
on-site
spaces
we're
going
to
have
to
decide
as
part
of
our
parking
plan,
which
is
what
this
is
geared
to
do.
C
If
they're,
not
on-site
spaces,
the
cost
that
they'll
go
and
do
on
off-site
Spaces
itself,
if
you're
doing
surface
parking
and
it's
on
or
directly
adjacent
to
the
site
like
street
parking
adjacent
to
the
site.
That's
a
good
thing!
If
it's
further
away
from
that,
do
we
want
to
guide
it
towards
our
parking
structure?
C
Because
if
you
get
into
third-party
agreements
with
deed
restrictions
and
the
property
changes-
and
things
happen,
it's
really
geared
towards
the
city
maintained,
owned
and
maintained
parking
structures
which
then
would
be
available
to
the
public
24
7,
as
was
stated
so
that
may
not
be
at
the
same
cost
as
on-site
parking
if
you're
building
it
in
a
structure
and
have
to
relocate
that
to
the
city
structure.
It
might
be
something
less
because
this
is
for
public
parking
not
related
to
this
site.
C
Specifically
it's
to
improve
the
parking
and
say
the
downtown
core,
if
someone's
going
to
eat
at
a
different
restaurant
or
going
to
a
hardware
store
or
whatever
this
parking
would
be
utilized,
24
7
for
anyone
in
that
category.
So
it's
an
incentive
that
the
developer
could
provide
additional
off-site
parking
in
the
city's
parking
structures
for
public
use,
24,
7.
and
then
the
question.
As
far
as
we
know.
If
you're
allowed
80
feet,
it's
not
just
by
right.
C
Under
this
proposal,
you
have
to
mitigate
some
of
the
circumstances
that
come
with
the
higher
density
in
Heights
and
provide
that
to
the
city.
Do
we
want
to
require
that
some
of
that
mitigation
be
off-site
parking
to
help
enhance
the
city's
parking
situation
other
than
the
developed
site
as
part
of
your
calculation?
So
all
of
those
are
things
that
need
to
be
discussed
as
we
move
this
forward
subsequent
to
their
rest
of
the
presentation,
foreign.
F
AF
Question
I'm
sorry
to
interrupt
where
it
says
that
this
is
a
restrictive
recorded
Covenant
that
it
has
to
be
used
for
medical
uses.
Are
we
cutting
off
our
nose
to
spite
our
face
here
by
limiting
it
so
much
I
mean
what
happens
if
the
city
grows
and
the
medical
part
moves
a
different
direction
and
you've
got
somebody
who's
sitting
on
property
that
says
Medical
Only.
F
F
So
this
is
a
separate
piece
it
overlays
on
top
of.
So
if
they
choose
to
use
medical
uses,
then
that
would
be
in
place
if
the
hospital
relocates
and
the
center
of
gravity
for
those
medical
uses
moves
to
that
location,
then
this
becomes
a
redundant
portion
of
the
code,
and
at
that
time
we
would
just
remove
it
at
that
point
in
the
future.
G
I
M
Y
M
I
see
two
all
right:
I
see
the
medical
use
here
now,
I
know.
As
of
now
the
medical
overlay
goes
to
my
list.
Is
this?
Does
it
move?
Is
it
moving
over
I
I
asked
the
question
because
I
know
Property
Owners
right
now
that
are
relying
on
the
65
feet,
they're
just
waiting
for
our
code
down,
basically
for
downtown
to
come
back
and
then
they're
going
to
build
on
it.
F
M
So
it
is
an
increase
another
thing
for
non-medical
uses.
That's
what
I'm
saying
I,
don't
know
what
these
people
they
possibly
do.
Medical,
maybe
don't,
but
they
purchase
a
land
with
the
purpose
of
basically
because
our
downtown
used
to
go
that
far
and
so
they
their
use,
has
not
been
determined
yet
so
don't
want
to
restrict
their
property
rights
by
reducing
the
height
on
their
property.
It.
F
F
F
M
Let
me
ask
this
is
kind
of
it's
in
the
realm,
but
I'm
related
question.
The
builders
said
yesterday
our
FEMA
50
rule.
Is
it
one
year
cumulative
I
asked
because
Charlotte
County
is
looking
at
at
eliminating
that
making
it
based
on
the
permanent
so
that
people
don't
get
taken
out
and
then
the
opposite
extreme
is
Lee
County
since
five
years,
in
their
primary
visit.
That
too
I
was
wondering.
AB
F
A
higher
level
of
of
compliance
with
under
the
the
community
rating
system,
so
that
is
a
points
gaining
provision
policy
provision
that
the
city
has
made,
which
enables
greater
discounts
on
flood
insurance
for
every
one
within
the
community.
So
it's
a
very
careful
balance
that
one
has
to
strike
to
ensure
that
the
private
property
rights
and
the
general
well-being
of
the
public
are
are
balanced.
F
AJ
F
F
So
without
further
Ado,
we
do
have
as
one
of
the
deliverables
from
the
from
the
consultant
on
this
project
what
they
call
code
testing,
and
this
is
really
taking
drilling
down
into
an
individual
property
and
saying
what
impact
would
this
have
if
these
codes
were
put
into
place,
what
could
be
developed
on
these
sites?
Realistically,
given
all
of
the
parameters
of
the
code,
so
we
wanted
to
test
two
locations.
We
have
actually
several
like
eight
or
nine
different
locations,
but
here
we're
just
going
to
discuss
two
briefly.
F
The
first
is
Village
Center
and
we
looked
at
a
parcel.
That's
just
under
two
acres
of
land
and
under
that
Village
Center
Provisions,
the
base
density,
residential
density
is
30,
dwellings
per
acre
and
the
base
Building
height
is
35
feet
and
the
proposed
development
is
50
residential
dwellings
and
8
800
square
feet
of
commercial
space.
The
parking
requirements
would
be
118
spaces.
The
parking
Illustrated
or
provided
in
the
The
Proposal,
which
you
see
in
this
diagram
here,
is
138.
F
This
is
about
what
can
realistically
fit
on
the
site,
so
the
existing
conditions
today.
This
is
a
vacant
lot,
I
apologize
for
the
screen,
Clarity
with
Sunshine
a
little
difficult
to
see,
and
the
illustration
here
is
what
could
be
built
on
that
site
based
on
the
site
plan
and
those
parameters,
so
26
units
per
acre
and
three
buildings:
8
800
square
feet
of
commercial
space
facing
Marion
Avenue,
some
on-street
parking
provided
and
predominantly
on-site
parking
for
the
development
requirements,
foreign.
F
The
proposed
development
that
that
they
came
up
with
really
parking
is
driving
a
lot
of
the
site
planning.
At
this
point
with
the
with
the
parking
requirements
so
residential
dwellings,
they
managed
to
get
64
dwellings
on
site
and
7
600
square
feet
of
commercial
space,
parking
requirements,
144
spaces
and
they
ended
up
with
a
147.
So
the
density
is,
is
only
32
units
per
acre
with
a
maximum
of
35,
but
again
just
the
the
building,
the
building
sizes,
the
the
number
of
parking
spaces
required,
is
really
driving
those
restrictions
at
that
point.
F
So
again,
in
order
to
achieve
those
residential
densities
and
building
Heights,
the
developer
must
require
those
points
through
the
program
which
would
be
12
points
total.
They
have
managed
to
do
that
by
providing
some
moderate
income
dwellings,
a
total
of
two,
which
would
be
three
percent
of
the
project
on
site
for
two
points
and
twelve
thousand
eight
hundred
square
feet
of
public
open
space
and
one
pocket
park,
and
one
Plaza.
This
is
15
of
the
total
Site
Area
for
approximately
10
points.
F
F
So
again
the
existing
conditions
vacant
lot,
just
as
point
of
reference
again
under
the
base
code
allowances.
This
is
the
development
that
could
be
provided
on
the
space
under
the
developer
contribution
example.
This
would
be
the
development
again,
the
increased
Building
height,
but
a
greater
setback
from
the
public
right-of-way
with
that
building
with
the
public
open
space,
Plaza
area.
F
So
the
next
example
for
for
code
testing
that
we
want
to
look
at
is
the
the
downtown
core
and
we're
looking
at
a
parcel
that
we
all
know
and
love
colloquially
known
as
City
Marketplace.
It
is
approximately
5.61
Acres
on
two
blocks
in
the
core
of
the
downtown
area:
the
development
rights
for
this
area.
We
have
residential
density
at
30
units
per
acre
building
Heights
are
restricted
to
35
feet
within
the
Main
Street
overlay
area,
which
covers
a
small
portion
of
this
site
and
50
feet
within
the
downtown
core.
F
F
D
AF
F
The
big
change
from
from
the
current
code
is
really
residential
density,
so
having
going
from
15
units
an
acre
which
is
a
very
Suburban
level
of
of
residential
to
30,
which
is
a
much
more
small
town,
Urban
kind
of
residential
density.
We
discussed
previously
in
a
previous
presentation
the
the
schoolhouse
apartments
that
are
on
Goldstein
street,
that
one
development,
which
is
historic
and
predates
all
zoning
within
the
city,
is
actually
32
units
per
acre.
So
it's
it's
very
comfortable.
It's.
C
F
AD
So
that
hasn't
really
answered
my
question
in
the
you
know:
have
we
or
are
we
going
to
do
any
testing
to
see
if
this
is
commercially
viable
I
mean
not
not
just
the
base,
but
the
the
developer
contributions?
I
mean
if
it's
not
commercially
viable,
then
we're
going
to
be
looking
at
it
for
another
20
years.
F
So
the
discussions
that
we've
had
with
with
private
sector
developers
and
and
I
personally
have
had
conversations
with
developers
that
I've
met
in
other
contexts
other
than
doing
City
business
that
have
discussed
these
types
of
projects,
these
types
of
infill,
residential
commercial
projects
and
typically
they're.
Looking
at
a
three
to
five
story:
buildings
so
50
to
80
feet
in
Building,
height,
they're,
looking
at
residential
densities
between
35
and
50
units
per
acre
and
the
big.
F
The
big
piece
of
the
puzzle
that
they
say
is
missing
from
when
I
describe
this
in
quick
terms
to
them
in
the
elevator
pitch,
they
say,
parking's
an
issue.
Typically,
what
they're
seeing
in
these
types
of
markets
is,
is
1.5
to
1.7
parking
spaces
per
unit
is
the
actual
demand
for
projects
here
in
Southwest,
Florida
or
lower,
and
again
it
depends
on
unit
mix
and
unit
like
the
unit
size
is
how
many
bedrooms
they
expect
to
have
the
price
point.
How
many
of
these
units
do
they
expect
to
go
to
I?
F
It
is
a
it
is
a
so
the
residential
density,
commercial
intensity.
Those
are
realistic.
The
parking
for
commercial
they
say
is
realistic
in
terms
of
what
they
could
possibly
build,
but
the
residential
parking
requirements
are
high.
They
do
say
that
the
fact
that
we
don't
have
a
fixed
route
transit
in
this
context,
where
in
other
contexts
like
Fort
Myers,
Cape
Coral
they
do
so.
That
makes
a
little
bit
of
a
difference.
AD
So
the
points
then
to
get
the
extra
parking.
That's
the
part
that
I'm
asking
is
that
commercially
viable?
Is
somebody
actually
going
to
Pony
up
to
do
one
point
for
10
spots
up
to
20
points
which
would
be
200
spots
I
mean
or
is
that
has?
Has
anybody
tested
that
with
a
developer
to
say,
would
you
pay
that
kind
of
money
to
get
a
little
bit
of
extra
Heist?
Does
that
make
sense
so.
C
A
piece
you're
talking
about
a
hundred
million
dollar
project
that
would
cost
two
hundred
fifty
thousand.
So
that's
not
a
terrible
thing,
but
it's
how,
under
the
discussion
for
parking
you
structure
what
they're
allowed
to
do
and
where
that
makes
it
more
viable
I'm,
not
sure
we
have
that
part
nailed
down
yet
until
we
have
that
discussion,
but
the
other
one.
As
far
as
the
project
that
has
come
in
have
any
complied
with
this
level
of
requirement.
A
They're,
just
for
the
record,
there
is
a
project
underway
in
Cape,
Coral
and
another
one
in
Fort
Myers
that
falls
under
these
kind
of
General
parameters.
They've
been
advertising
it
on
the
news
in
the
last
few
weeks.
So
maybe
we
could
take
a
look
at
some
of
those
projects
and
and
see
how
we
compare,
but
that
I
I
see
the
renderings
on
the
news
every
night
and
what
they're
showing
is
basically
what
we're
talking
about
here.
D
A
Also
think
that
some
of
the
the
additional
points
you
know
I
was
never
a
fan
of
community
benefits,
and
the
term
just
makes
me
crazy,
but
developer
mitigation
points.
If
we
elect
to
include
those
I
think
some
of
those
should
be
required
to
be
parking.
Public
parking
I
think
not
just
make
it
an
optional
part
of
the
add-ons.
If
we're
going
to
give
them
50
feet
by
right,
and
then
they
have
the
option
and
to
add
up
to
30
points
of
additional
benefits
than
I.
A
Think
some
of
that
needs
to
be
mandatory
parking
for
public
parking
and
that
will
put
into
into
play
our
long-term
public
parking
issues
that
we've
been
having.
So
no
matter.
What
way
we
do
it.
However,
we
structure
it
whether
it's
in
public
parking
in
our
garage
or
another
parking
garage
structure,
or
you
know,
spaces
that
can
be
purchased
from
someone
else.
I
think
that
that
may
be
something
that
would
at
least
get
us
on
the
right
track
to,
but
but
make
it
mandatory
as
part
of
the
point
accumulation.
C
And
that's
part
of
that
parking
discussion,
but
back
to
that
question,
so
the
one
that
was
approved
recently
that
everyone
thought
was
great
was
the
one
behind
Justice
Center.
So
how
many
dwelling
units
did
they
outbreak
or
how
many
parking
spaces
did
they
have
per
residential
unit
and
how
much
Green
Space
did
they
have
that
was
open
to
the
public?
That's
the
question.
Yes,.
F
So
in
terms
of
their
parking
requirement
their
parking,
provided,
they
were
at
two
spaces
per
residential
unit.
The
public
open
space
that
they
provided
was
approximately
five
percent
of
the
site
area
and
they
provided
additional
on-street
public
parking,
which
is
completely
non-restricted,
I,
think
it
was
either
14
or
16
additional
spaces,
so
their
residential
density
went
from
15
to
I.
Believe.
C
In
the
core,
but
that
one
did
comply
with
these
requirements
complied
with
parking
required
with
density
and
required.
Five
percent
open
space
that,
when
met
day's
requirements
under
the
new
code,
given
what
you
just
said
that
was
commercially
viable
and
then
they
provided
additional
space
around
the
outside
for
public
parking.
Also.
D
AD
So
I'll,
while
we're
waiting,
I
guess,
maybe
I'll,
just
make
a
comment
that
I
was
going
to
make
later
anyway
that
I'm
I'm
a
little
bit
concerned
with
this
Council
providing
binding
direction
to
the
staff
on
this
stuff.
The
reason
being
that
this
is
the
last
meeting
of
this
Council
and
I
think
we
need
to
provide
the
new
council
members
they're,
going
to
be
seated
in
two
weeks
the
opportunity
for
input
on
this.
AD
So
for
a
couple
reasons
we
don't
we
have
a
time
frame,
October
31st
of
2003.
We
can't
afford
to
give
the
staff
direction
to
go
down
a
road
and
then
have
new
council
members
disagree
with
that
direction
and
then
vote
it
down,
and
then
we
have
to
start
all
over
again.
So
I
think
it's
absolutely
critical
that
we
defer
this
any
direction.
AD
We
could
certainly
have
the
presentation
and
have
discussion
and
they're
all
here
in
the
room,
but
I
think
that
we
have
to
wait
to
give
the
staff
any
direction
on
any
anything
coming
out
of
the
out
of
the
the
presentation
today
so
that
they
have
an
opportunity
for
input
so
that
we
don't
spin
the
staff
around
and
have
them
re.
Do
it
and
then
redo
it.
AD
You
know
a
few
weeks
later
and
I
also
think
we've
talked
a
lot
about
the
parking
and
I
think
any
direction
that
we
would
give
staff
right
now
in
terms
of
parking
is
a
little
bit
premature
because
that's
a
critical
part
of
this
and
we
haven't-
had
an
opportunity
to
even
meet
with
the
County
Commissioners,
yet
to
find
out
what
we
can
actually
do.
What
are
we
going
to
be
able
to
do?
What
are
we
going
to
pay
for
and
that
way
we
can
again
give
staff
more
succinct
and
and
actionable
Direction.
AD
That's
going
to
move
us
towards
October
31st
2023
that
much
quicker,
so
I
would
make
a
motion
that
we
table
providing
any
direction
to
the
staff
at
the
conclusion
of
this
presentation.
Until
we
have
an
opportunity
at
a
future
council
meeting
so
that
the
new
council
members
had
an
opportunity
for
input,
a
second
that.
A
Think
it's
important
that
we
move
some
of
this
forward
so
that
they
can
continue
finishing
the
ldrs
that
have
to
be
adopted
so
that
we
can
move
everything
forward
and
move
on.
We
have.
We
have
already
had
discussions
about
what
what
we
want
for
a
building
height.
The
city
staff
has
listened
to
us.
We
have
been
relaying
all
the
way
through
this
all
the
comments
that
have
been
made
by
a
lot
of
the
the
residents
who
were
very
upset
about
the
proposal
from
the
Geist
companies.
A
Think
it's
important
that
we
do
adopt
some
of
this
stuff
today,
so
that
we
can
continue
moving
forward
and
we
can
continue
to
do
code
testing
but
I
think
they've
come
up
with
a
reasonable
compromise
to
what
was
originally
proposed,
which
would
have
been
100
foot
tall
buildings
that
we
don't
want.
We
clearly
know
we
don't
want
that
in
this
community
at
least
I
I
cannot
support
100
foot
buildings
in
this
community.
I,
don't
think
it's
appropriate,
especially
in
the
city
center,
downtown
I.
A
Think
that
you
know,
if
you
look
at
the
at
what
they're
proposing
they're
basically
saying
you
can
have
50-foot
buildings
and
then
you
can
add
points
up
to
a
maximum
all
in
no
exceptions,
80
feet
tall,
that's
what
we
discussed
and
we
had
a
consensus
of
at
least
three
of
us
several
months
ago
about
that
and
I
think.
That's
part
of
the
discussion
today
that
that
we
want
to
establish
a
hard,
definitive
height
requirement
that
we're
not
going
to
exceed
they've
done
that
they've
they've
already
Incorporated.
A
All
these
defined
developer
mitigation
benefit
points,
so
I
think
I.
Think
we've
we've
got
things
down
to
where
they've
accommodated
all
the
things
we
asked
them
to
accommodate
and
I
think
we
have
to
keep
moving
things
forward
and
not
just
keep
deferring
it
and
I
mean
no
disrespect
to
incoming
council
members.
That's
not
my
point
at
all.
I
think
we
have
been
as
a
council.
This
Council
has
been
discussing
this
for
a
long
time.
Jaha
and
I
have
been
on
this
Council
for
six
years.
A
AF
I
would
just
like
to
move
the
elephant
in
the
room,
which
is
that
there
are
people
who
don't
want
me
to
vote,
because
they
know
what
I
stood
for
when
I
was
elected
and
what
I
stand
for
now
and
you're,
hoping
that
there'll
be
somebody
else
sitting
here.
That
will
agree
with
you
and
what
I
want
to
say
is
that
I
attended
every
charette,
I
attended
every
Workshop
I
attended
every
meeting
and
if
my
vote
isn't
good
enough
to
count,
you
should
have
kicked
me
off
two
years.
AD
AD
I'm
not
expecting
is
I,
don't
know
who's
going
to
be
sitting
in
that
seat
in
a
couple
weeks,
I'm
not
looking
at
at
a
vote.
What
I'm
saying
is
that
there
are
going
to
be
different
people
sitting
here
that
have
different
opinions.
Maybe,
and
those
opinions
need
to
be
heard
and
the
fact
of
the
matter
is
no
matter
what
we
vote
on
today.
It's
not
binding
because
they
or
me
could
bring
it
back
at
a
future
council
meeting
for
to
rehash
this
whole
thing
over
again.
So
what
I'm
saying
is
we
don't?
AD
We
shouldn't
be
doing
that
today?
It's
not
binding
anyway,
we're
going
to
go
through
the
whole
thing
only
to
have
to
go
through
the
whole
thing
over
again,
so
the
presentation
is
fine.
I
have
no
problem
with
the
presentation
and
I'm
not
advocating
for
100
foot
buildings,
either
I
had
said
in
the
previous
meeting
that
I
would
be
amenable
to
the
80-foot
buildings
as
long
as
we
resolve
this
parking
thing,
but
the
parking
thing's
not
resolved
either
and
it's
a
long
way
from
being
resolved
until
we
meet
with
the
county.
AD
So
it
is
an
amount
about
who's.
Voting
it's
about
trying
to
be
efficient
and
move
this
thing
forward
quickly.
It's
not
going
to
matter
there's
going
to
whatever
we
do
today.
There's
gonna
be
discussion
in
a
couple
of
weeks
and
and
we
just
why
do
it
twice?
I
mean
I-
wouldn't
have
even
done
this
presentation
today
at
all,
but
they're
all
here
so
they've
seen
it.
So
we
probably
don't
have
to
go
through
the
presentation
again,
but
we
would
have
to
have
the
discussion.
B
AC
As
I
hear
the
discussion
I,
don't
think
any
of
the
comments
are
conflicting.
The
what
what
the
agenda
item
is
requesting
is
to
give
direction
for
the
preparation
of
an
ordinance
which
then
would
be
subject
to
public
hearings
before
the
new
Council,
where
the
new
Council
can
decide
whether
the
ordinance
as
it
was
presented
is
adequate
or
to
make
recommendations
based
on
the
testimony
at
the
public
hearing
to
make
changes.
So
right.
AD
S
M
Have
a
very
good
reason
why
this
needs
to
be
delayed.
The
fact
that
we're
discussing
the
medical
overlay
District
I
serve
as
a
trustee
on
Shore
point
and
I
can
tell
you
for
a
fact
that
short
Point
needs
100
feet
and
so
in
the
fact
that
there
have
been
changes
in
leadership
City,
actually,
especially
talking
about
medical
things.
Part
of
our
conversation
needs
to
actually
be
with
those
most
impacted:
witches
short
Point,
Hospital,
so
I
just
thinking
just
just
in
that
regard
right
there.
M
E
I
know
we
have
a
motion
on
the
table,
but
just
as
discussion
speaking
of
metal
over
medical
overlay.
Actually
it's
one
thing:
I
was
going
to
bring
up
when
appropriate,
but
you
know
one
thing
I
did
want
to
discuss
today
is
giving
guidance
I
personally
think
that
medical
overlay
needs
to
be
at
100
feet
and
I
had
some
other
questions
too.
A
A
A
C
C
We
had
the
height
and
the
open
space,
which
was
five
percent
of
the
site
plan
that
was
accessible
to
the
public,
does
match
and
meet,
and
actually
they
came
in
as
a
PD,
so
they
could
get
that
65
feet
actually,
so
they
could
make
that
density
work
with
the
other
requirements
that
does
meet
what
we're
discussing
currently,
but
that
is
that
piece
of
property
and
that
size
and
that
developer.
So
moving
that
to
another
parcel,
you
know
property
values,
Etc,
that's
where
really
the
parking.
C
If
someone
says
you
know
these
25
spaces
I
have
to
put
here
instead
of
those
spaces,
I
could
use
that
for
or
whatever
the
number
is,
ten
thousand
square
foot
of
retail,
which
would
be
a
constant
return
and
more
retail
downtown
and
increase
that
amount.
Maybe
those
spaces
would
then
be
more
lucrative
put
into
a
parking
structure
as
part
of
the
parking
plan
we're
talking
about.
C
Even
though
the
on-site
surface
parking
is
much
cheaper
than
the
structure.
That
also
then
prevents
some
of
the
retail
that
may
occur
some
of
the
return
on
investment
long
term.
That
might
be
better
to
pay
for
some
off-site
parking
and
allow
them
to
develop
that
on-site
or
require
some
additional
off-site
parking.
Also,
so
that's
all
part
of
the
discussion.
F
Sorry
I
apologize
again
again:
Mitchell
Austin,
Urban
Design,
so
back
to
the
the
City
Marketplace
site.
Part
of
this
site
is
covered
by
the
proposed
Main
Street
overlay,
historic
district,
so
the
site,
as
it
looks
today,
and
an
example
of
a
development
that
could
be
constructed
under
the
proposed
code
with
those
unmitigated
development
allowances,
would
remind
everyone
that
the
front
20
feet
of
that
piece
of
land
is
actually
a
parcel
of
land
that
the
city
owns.
They're
highlighted
in
yellow
and
then
the
proposed
Main
Street
overlay
would
would
cover
that
box.
F
F
So
again
in
the
the
developer
mitigation
example,
the
maximum
would
be
40
units
per
acre
and
80
feet
in
Building
height
if
they
are
located
within
the
that
area
of
the
site.
It's
located
within
the
Main
Street
overlay
does
not
qualify
for
any
of
those
additional
developer
mitigation,
particularly
with
regards
to
Building
height.
F
F
C
Again
on
this
one
part
of
the
discussion
is,
you
can
see
the
35-foot
along
Marion,
and
one
of
the
initial
discussions
was
that
you
didn't
want
taller
buildings
up
against
shorter
buildings,
so
across
the
street
that
35
foot's
consistent,
but
then
directly
behind
it.
You've
got
70
foot,
so
is
that
35
feet
along
Marion?
Is
that
too
short?
Should
there
be
a
little
more
allowance
there
for
office
space
or
roof
line
or
more
architectural
features
on
the
top?
C
That's
one
of
the
discussion
points
and
then,
of
course,
when
you
look
at
this,
if
you
have
an
allowance
of
80
feet,
this
at
39
dwelling
units
per
acre
and
70
feet
would
look
like
this.
If
the
developer,
you
can
see
in
this
one
that
there's
more
open
space,
there's
more
space
between
buildings,
it's
less
dense.
So
if
a
developer
wants
to
do
this,
that's
what
they're
going
to
be
required
to
provide.
C
If
the
developer
does
not
provide
the
city,
the
mitigation
tools
to
handle
that
level
of
density,
pedestrian
traffic
and
residents
downtown,
then
they
would
only
be
able
to
build
to
the
base
code,
which
was:
can
you
put
that
back
up?
This
is
the
only
thing
that
would
generally
be
allowed,
although
that
doesn't
keep
the
corner
open,
like
the
other
one,
if
there's
no
mitigation
from
the
developer
for
the
higher
density
in
Heights.
A
Thus
was
when
we
had
our
one-on-ones,
we
talked
about
the
the
50
Feet
being
from
grade,
not
from
BFE,
so
we're
talking
about
potentially
another
six
to
eight
feet
if
it
were
above
BFE,
so
I
think
we
have
to
clarify
that.
But
if
we're
talking
about
80
feet
all
in
somebody's
going
to
have
to
make
that
work
one
way
or
the
other,
they
have
to
back
into
that
number.
A
C
No
I'm,
sorry
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
this
picture
and
correct
me
if
I
wrong,
because
I
frequently
am
but
the
70
feet
that
you
see
here
if
that
building
is
measured
as
70
feet
above
BFE.
If,
for
example,
in
this
picture,
BFE
was
six
to
eight
feet,
just
say
that
would
generally
give
you
what
80
feet
from
grade
would
look
like,
because
right
now,
you're
looking
at
70
feet,
but
that's
above
BFE,
and
if
that's
six
or
seven
feet,
you
heard
77
78
76.
C
M
C
M
Was
going
to
share
was
that
one
thing
as
Mitchell
mentioned?
Is
it's
been
denuded
and
in
reality,
when
you
build
a
proper
downtown
you're
going
to
have
your
awnings
you're,
going
to
have
your
Landscaping
your
trees
and
everything?
So
what
residency
is
going
to
be
it
like
in
your
eye
level
and
so
I
think
to
some
degree
we
get
overly
concerned
about
height,
because
it's
really
something
you
won't
see.
I
mean
I've
lived
in
many
cities
and
I
can
tell
you.
I
have
no
idea
how
high
any
buildings
are
if
they're
designed
properly
I.
M
Think,
in
our
case
being
that
we
are
in
historic
City
that
part
of
the
accoutrements
are
going
to
be
things
like
the
awnings
and
outdoor
cafes
and
and
the
trees
like
that.
So
I
think
that
that
this,
for
our
purposes
of
making
regulations
is
cool.
But
I
do
think
that
with
presenting
the
residents
we
do
need
to
actually
show
Sometimes.
Some
some
street
level
looks
of
how
it's
going
to
look
in
reality,
as
opposed
to
kind
of
like
from
a
helicopter
View.
F
No,
that
is
sorry
no,
that
is
all
that
City
staff
has
I.
I
would
like
to
reiterate
the
point,
though,
that
the
reason
that
the
current
code
allows
building
Heights
to
be
measured
from
base
flood
elevation
is
that
we
do
not
want
to
penalize
any
private
property
owner
their
their
development
rights
for
building
a
more
resilient
structure,
so
the
way
that
the
current
code
is
written,
we
measure
building
Heights
from
base
flood
elevation.
F
The
current
staff
interpretation
of
that
is
that
it's
not
only
what's
on
the
FEMA
rate
map,
but
FEMA
rate
map
Plus,
what's
required
by
the
Florida
building
code,
which
is
one
foot
of
free
board
so
base
flood
elevation
as
we're
currently
implementing
it
is,
is
that
base
flood
elevation
on
the
flood
insurance
rate
map,
plus
one
foot
of
free
board
under
the
Florida
building
code?
And
again
we
want
the
city
to
be
as
resilient
as
possible
to
possible
coastal
flooding
events.
F
So
the
the
twenty
thousand
square
foot
restriction
for
the
developer
mitigation
is
only
for
the
open
space.
So
if
they
wanted
to
use
the
open
space
contribution
level
or
mitigation
measure,
they
would
have
to
have
a
larger
lot.
The
parking
requirement
for
residential,
let
two
spaces
per
dwelling
that
is
universal
based
on
Council
Direction.
E
F
And
see
yes,
this
within
the
So
within
the
draft
code,
there
are
three
different
sets
of
parking
requirements,
there's
one
for
those
regulating
districts
that
are
not
within
the
downtown
core
again
residential
dwellings
stay
the
same.
We
increase
the
requirements
for
office,
retail
medical,
institutional
Etc
because
we're
less
likely
to
have
public
parking
in
those
areas
within
the
downtown
core.
We
have
lots
that
are
greater
than
twenty
thousand
square
feet.
F
F
For
something
so
there's
a
parking
exemption
below
currently
it's
written
as
below
20
000
square
feet.
So
if
you
have
a
19,
999
square
foot
lot,
you
would
be
exempt
from
those
parking
requirements.
You
would
have
to
demonstrate
that
that
there
is
available
public
parking
either
on
street
or
in
a
garage
or
somewhere
on
an
adjacent
site,
so
that
you
could
legitimately
meet
the
parking
demand
in
that
area.
We'd
own
a
compound
situations,
but
yes,
we
we
haven't,
as
a
city
invested
substantial
sums,
have
the
last
15
years
in
public
parking.
F
AD
Correct
me,
if
I'm
wrong,
my
understanding
is
the
reason
the
current
code
is
one
per
dwelling
is
because
at
public
with
public
money,
we
build
Herald
Court,
specifically,
so
that
that
to
encourage
development
in
the
downtown
core
to
reduce
the
parking
burden.
So
that
is
why
Herald
Court
exists.
That
is
why
we
have
one
space
per
right:
okay,
I
just
want
to
be
clear.
Yes,.
C
AD
C
Sir,
and
if
it's
under
20
000
square
feet,
if
you
say
Jesus
part
of
that
whole
discussion
on
parking,
you
could
also
say
there
needs
to
be
some
level
of
contribution
towards
the
parking
plan
to
mitigate
the
requirement
of
parking
at
these
spots.
Because,
obviously
there's
you
know,
if
you
look
at
City
Marketplace
in
the
last
couple
weekends
there's
a
substantial
number
of
cars
parked
on
that
and
as
soon
as
that
stops,
which
will
probably
not
be
long
regardless
of
development
days,
are
going
to
be
on
the
street
again.
A
I
A
Okay,
okay
and
we're
talking
we're
talking
about
the
the
FL.
The
elevation
overall
with
I,
keep
wanting
to
say
the
bad
word
with
mitigation
points
to
to
be
50
feet
by
right,
plus
a
possible
additional
30
feet
up
to
a
maximum
of
80
feet.
All
in
no
exceptions
does
everyone
agree
to
that
based
on
what's
presented
today,.
D
A
E
B
AD
A
A
AF
A
AF
On
the
only
thing
with
that
is
you're
limiting
future
development,
because
what,
if
the
county
and
the
City
end
up
building
a
parking
garage-
and
you
don't
need
that,
but
you
really
need
park
space
now,
you've
got
it
in
our
our
long-term
plans,
our
comp
plan,
everything
that
they
have
to
provide
parking.
Okay,
that's
why
I
wanted.
E
A
I
I
mean
I
really
think
that
a
lot
of
this
stuff
is
a
reasonable
compromise.
We
we've
talked
about
this
back
and
forth,
and
originally
we
were
going
up
to
a
potential
of
100
feet
downtown
and
we
all
said
well.
Most
of
us
said
we
didn't
want
to
see
that
I.
You
know
I
I'm,
I'm
fairly
sure
that
a
lot
of
this
is
a
lot
more
palatable
to
the
residents
that
we
represent.
C
E
F
D
E
AF
I
would
just
like
to
add
that
Workforce
housing
doesn't
mean
section,
eight,
oh,
no,
it
doesn't
mean
fully
subsidized.
Sometimes
we
pay
up
to
a
thousand
dollars
more
than
what
the
people
are
required
to
pay
so
that
they
can
live
in
Workforce
housing.
So
it's
you
know:
it's
not
fifty
dollars
a
week
month,
whatever
so
I
mean
I
I,
don't
think
price
of
property
may
not
be
the
deciding
factor,
because
there
are
sources
available.
That.
C
C
They
can,
of
course,
provide
additional
Green
Space,
which
gives
us
more
Breathing
Room
between
buildings,
Etc,
more
pedestrian
access,
more
public
access
to
those
spaces,
and
the
way
that's
proposed
I
would
allow
them
to
get
to
the
buy
right
height
with
mitigation,
to
provide
additional
public
space,
which
seems
to
be
a
good
thing.
Okay,.
A
E
Z
Afternoon
Melissa
Reichert
assistant
city
manager,
un
asked
me
to
come
back
to
council
with
the
outcomes
report
from
our
FY
2022
strategic
plan.
I
have
provided
you
that
within
your
packet,
I'll
just
touch
on
a
couple
of
highlights.
There
were
38
items
that
were
complete,
did
15
had
substantial
progress
and
six
were
moved
to
fiscal
year
2023.
In
most
cases,
what
would
happen
is
one
part
of
a
project
would
be
delayed,
so
that
would
push
other
items
that
were
associated
with
that
project
backwards.
Z
You
know
that
our
strategic
plan
was
developed
based
on
our
Mission
Vision
vision
and
values,
and
that's
one
of
the
reasons
why
it
is
so
easy
to
have
success
within
their
strategic
plan.
Our
biggest
challenges
this
year
were
supply
chain
issues
and
the
costs
of
supplies
increasing,
as
well
as
some
staffing
positions
that
went
unfilled
for
portions
of
the
Year.
Our
biggest
success
drivers
were
relationships
that
we
have
not
only
with
the
community
but
with
our
vendors
and
also
within
our
organization.
Z
Inter-Departmentally
we've
had
all
hands
on
deck
for
a
number
of
situations
where
people
are
working
in
departments
that
isn't
their
home
department
just
to
get
things
done
and
then
certainly
our
success
is
because
of
the
support
of
city
council
and
the
direction
of
city
manager.
Greg
three
part
of
my
presentation
is
an
overview
of
what
was
accomplished
the
previous
fiscal
year
and
we've
talked
as
I
sat
here
today
and
listened.
Z
It
all
pays
off
in
the
end
and
it
pays
off
for
our
residents
the
Boca
Grande
project.
We
were
able
to
bring
in
another
two
and
a
half
million
dollars
this
year.
In
grant
funding,
another
million
dollars
was
awarded
to
us
the
previous
year,
the
AC
Freeman
house
again,
another
five
hundred
thousand
dollars
coming
from
outside
the
community.
Z
A
number
of
annexation
agreements
were
approved
and
other
agreements
this
past
year,
everything
from
the
shell
Creek
a
permit
to
a
submerged
land
leases
for
Lashley
Marina.
The
state
revolving
Loan,
Fund
application
went
in
for
the
wastewater
treatment
plant
and
the
three
annexations
that
staff
had
committed
to
working
on
this
past
year
were
act
were
accomplished
as
well.
Z
Z
One
of
the
big
successes
for
the
police
department
this
year
and
our
fire
department
was
at
Public
Safety,
Youth
Academy.
It
was
really
really
enlightening
to
see
the
city
get
involved
in
shaping
the
future
of
the
youth
in
our
community.
So
this
was
a
great
project
and
we
look
forward
to
this
continuing.
Z
Z
Gilchrist
Park,
that's
their
Project's
moving
right
along
and
you'll
be
glad
to
know
that
after
the
hurricane,
that
is
one
project
that
really
hasn't
skipped
a
beat.
Our
contractor
was
on
site
basically
the
day
after
the
hurricane
and
was
starting
to
work
on
getting
that
construction
site
prepared
to
be
recommissioned.
Z
Complete
Street
projects
also
continued
to
move
forward
the
wastewater
treatment,
plant
improvements
and
expansion
at
the
end
of
the
fiscal
year.
We
were
at
that
90
percent
design
got
word
this
morning.
We
have
a
hundred
percent
design
plans
in
which
is
that's
really
good.
We
can
move
that
project
forward.
Z
We
are
still
continuing
to
look
for
that
additional
funding
and
grants
for
that
project
though,
and
then
the
master
plan
we
talked
about
that
this
morning
and
then
I'll
just
touch
briefly
on
the
last
48
hours
of
the
fiscal
year
and
some
of
the
things
that
went
on
in
those
those
hours
we
were
able
to
get
fueling
Services
set
up
water
and
wastewater
Services
were
completely
restored.
Within
that
first
two
days
we
had
Howard
the
hauler
actually
staged
in
town.
Z
Within
those
two
days
we
were
starting
to
find
out
that
the
landfill
was
closed
and
that
was
causing
a
backlog
of
garbage
to
deal
with,
and
that
has
continued
to
be
a
concern.
Power
was
already
slowly
coming
back
out
on
the
75
Southbound
Bridge
was
closed
to
the
sun
due
to
the
Sunseeker
issue.
At
the
same
time,
they
also
closed
interstate
75
at
mayaka,
so
we
were
really
cut
off
from
the
world
when
it
came
to
supplies.
At
that
point
in
time
it
was
kind
of
kind
of
scary
for
a
bit
there,
Fred.
Z
Right
we
found
out
that
we
had
roof
damage
to
a
number
of
our
buildings
things
and
we
already
had
inspectors
out
on
the
street
48
Hours
within
48
hours,
they're
out
assessing
damage.
We
stood
up
a
survey,
one
two,
three
tool
within
a
matter
of
days
where
we
were
able
to
map
where
all
of
the
damage
was
within
the
community,
and
we
were
already
taking
reports
of
the
seawall
damage
and
boats
and
debris
debris
and
things
that
needed
to
be
removed
and
financial
Financial
Services
was
already
up
and
running.
Z
We
didn't
miss
a
beat
there
either,
so
it
ended
on
quite
a
a
scary
note,
but
I'm
going
to
say
it
was
a
really
good
note
because,
as
all
of
you
were
intimately
involved
in
a
lot
of
those
situations
too,
you
saw
how
City
staff
was
able
to
come
together
and
and
do
their
jobs
and
and
do
jobs
that
weren't
necessarily
Theirs
to
move
the
community
forward.
So
all
in
all
I
think
I
had
I'd
sum
it
up
as
a
pretty
good
year
and
certainly
open
to
any
feedback
or
questions
that
you
have.
A
N
A
I
only
have
one
comment,
and
that
is
that
in
previous
years
since
I've
been
on
Council,
when
the
EOC
meetings
took
place
for
the
city
staff,
the
council
members
were
always
included
and
we
were
not
this
year.
I
did
sit
in
on
a
couple
of
staff
meetings,
but
we've
we've
been
invited
to
attend
all
the
EOC
meetings
before
and
we
were
not
this
time.
I
would
like
to
see
that
get
back
into
place
for
any
future
situations.
Z
C
Let
me
add
something
on
the
I
was
going
to
say
it
in
my
comments
anyway,
but
two
things
with
the
debris:
removal
were
upwards
now
of
a
hundred
thousand
cubic
yards.
We
may
end
up
with
about
150
000
cubic
yards,
so
that's
all
in
so
we're
at
least
two-thirds
finished
that
we're
still
banging
out
a
average
of
a
thousand
tons
per
day,
two
million
pounds
per
day
of
debris.
That's
a
lot
of
debris.
That's
been
moved
the
sea
wall
assessments.
C
Of
course
we
have
the
canal
assessments
that
are
moving
forward,
but
Seawall
assessments,
the
800
locations
that
have
been
have
been
identified,
have
stored
damage
as
storm
damage
have
been
in
identified
and
they're
being
placed
on
a
GIS
map.
So
we
have
the
locations
of
all
the
damaged
areas
and
we're
about
20
percent
through
upwards
of
processing
that
takes
those
800
locations
and
identifies
those
by
category
of
damage.
C
So
many
your
footage
Etc,
so
that
we
can
get
the
total
linear
footage,
put
the
scope
out
and
then
get
contractors
to
continue
to
work
based
on
female
approval
of
the
mapping,
the
assessments
and
the
linear
footage
that
we'll
provide.
So,
there's
still
a
lot
going
on
on
a
daily
basis,
a
lot
of
people
in
the
field.
We
have
some
of
the
weight,
goods
and
and
appliances
that
will
be
picked
up
again
by
appointment.
As
of
this
Friday
I
believe
that's
starting.
C
So
there's
a
lot
of
things
that
are
still
going
on
a
lot
of
work.
That's
being
done!
Some
of
the
things
you
don't
see,
for
example,
debris
is
not
being
picked
up
yet
by
our
forces,
but
the
people
that
are
working
on
those
type
of
things
are
completely
engaged
in
other
areas
where
we
needed
to
accomplish
various
things
so
that
we
could
move
the
city
forward.
Our
parks
are
open.
C
Our
athletic
courts
are
open,
we're
working
feversely
on
the
things
that
haven't
yet
been
able
to
be
reopened,
such
as
the
playground,
so
we're
making
a
lot
of
Headway.
You
know
Lashley
park
the
boat
that
was
in
the
tree,
the
top
of
the
boat.
You
know
our
guys
got
that
out,
so
we
can
make
sure
that
part
of
the
the
harbor
walk
was
open.
So
there's
still
a
lot
going
on
and
a
lot
that's
been
done
since
these
first
48
Hours.
A
Thank
you.
Thank
you
very
much.
It's
nice
to
see
the
after
effects
of
the
Strategic
plan
and
the
fact
that
there
are
measurable
things
that
have
been
accomplished
in
the
last
year
and
it
just
shows
how
intensely
busy
the
city
staff
have
all
been
in
the
past
12
months,
keeping
the
city
moving
forward
and
that's
just
the
highlights
of
all
the
major
projects
that
were
going
on.
A
So
thank
you
for
all
the
hard
work
and
thank
you
Melissa
for
making
that
a
living
document,
because
I
think
it
makes
a
big
difference
when
there's
trackable
and
measurable
items
on
that
on
that
document
that
can
be
followed
through
and
and
I
think
it
also
helps
the
city
manager.
You
know
evaluate
people
at
the
end
of
the
year,
especially
for
department
heads
to
keep
everybody
on
track,
so
appreciate
it.
Okay.
The
next
thing
is
the
evaluation
for
the
city
manager.
C
Facilitate
okay,
so
I'd
just
like
to
say.
First
of
all,
it's
always
a
pleasure
working
with
the
city
and
city
council
to
get
things
accomplished,
and
you
know
what
I've
listed
a
lot
of
that
ties
in
with
the
Strategic
plan,
because
certainly
I
don't
do
it
all
by
any
means.
But
I
am
able
to
be
involved
in
much
of
this
and
help
facilitate
and
direct
a
lot.
That
happens
so
I
appreciate
the
recognition
that
you've
provided
during
the
evaluation
process
and
positive
or
negative
comments.
C
L
M
L
K
A
L
K
Okay,
going
through
the
boards
and
committees
items
still
have
a
number
of
vacancies.
We
are
starting
to
see
some
applications
come
in.
So
that's
good
news.
Board
of
zoning
appeals.
We
have
one
regular
and
two
alternates
burnt
store
aisles
Canal
advisory
committee.
We
have
two
seats
code
enforcement
board,
two
regular
seats
and
two
alternate
seats:
the
historic
preservation,
Advisory
Board
won
alternate
and
Planning
Commission
to
alternates
last
under
vacancies,
utility
Advisory,
Board,
two
seats,
so
under
nominations.
K
We
have
four
seats
on
the
historic
preservation,
Advisory
Board,
and
we
have
four
individuals
that
we're
putting
forth
the
nomination.
Since
we
have
four
seats
and
four
nominations.
If
you
would
like
to
nominate
all
in
case,
we
get
any
additional
before
the
next
meeting
and
then
you'll
have
more
to
choose
from.
You
can
nominate
one
person,
two
people.
K
However,
you
want
to
proceed
with
it
if
you've
had
a
chance
to
look
over
their
resumes,
but
I
did
want
to
bring
some
of
the
names
forward
so
that
we
could
continue
to
have
a
quorum
on
that
board
without
without
nominating
and
it
and
eventually
appointing
a
couple.
People
we're
not
going
to
be
able
to
move
forward
with
a
conducting
business
on
hpab,
okay,.
A
So
the
the
four
names
that
are
up
for
grabs
here
are
Beth
magnin
at
for
reappointment,
Lucille
Ponte
for
reappointment
and
Jacqueline
paschko
from
an
alternate
seat
to
a
regular
seat
and
Casey
nemec
for
the
fourth
seat,
correct
that
is
correct.
Okay,
so
we
can
either
nominate
all
or
nominate
an
appoint
for
or,
however,
you
want
to.
A
K
C
Any
gunman
I'd
like
to
further
make
is,
when
you
look
at
the
left
side
of
the
room
and
all
the
people
that
are
over
there,
there's
been
a
lot
of
work.
That's
been
accomplished
in
the
last
few
weeks
by
people
that
are
in
the
room
and
we
certainly
appreciate
the
effort.
That's
going
into
it.
People
are
still
slammed
with
everything
from
information
requests
or
when's
this
going
to
happen
or
that
going
to
happen
to
physically
controlling
Crews
and
making
sure
the
city's
safe
and
everything
from
A
to
Z.
C
So
I
really
appreciate
the
work,
that's
going
into
it
by
a
city
staff.
Everything
they've
done
to
keep
operations
running,
because
without
that
we
would
be
in
much
worse
shape
than
we
are
now
I
know.
We
still
have
things
we're
working
through
and
working
out
and
lessons
that
we've
learned
to
improve
next
time
when
it
happens.
Hopefully
it
won't
be
for
quite
some
time,
but
it
gives
us
time
to
to
learn
and
improve
things
that
we
currently
do.
I
know
that
public
works,
for
example,
has
been
slammed
and
then
still
has.
C
We
don't
even
have
our
debris
until
the
FEMA
contractors
are
finished.
We
don't
have
our
debris
up
and
running
yet,
and
you
know
questions
everywhere,
and
everyone
wants
things
taken
care
of,
and
rightly
so,
and
everyone's
working
very
hard
to
make
that
happen.
So
thank
you
for
everything.
That's
done!
No
one's
missed
a
paycheck.
You
know
we're
a
great
Mary
Beth
here
today
was
kind
of
something
that
when
people
see
her,
everyone
always
loves
her
because
they
get
a
paycheck.
So
it.
C
We
really
do
I
just
keep
reiterating
there's
a
lot
of
work.
That's
still
ongoing
and
it's
day
and
night
there's
emails
that
are
coming
in
all
hours
of
the
day
or
night,
and
we
have
people
that
are
answering
them,
and
you
know
probably
tired
of
hearing
from
me
and
he's
just
really
making
things
happen.
So
thank
you
for
everything.
You've
done.
We
have
temporary
accommodations.
We've
got.
C
A
And
I
apologize
for
all
the
emails
this
past
week,
especially
all
of
you
guys,
I,
know
Brian.
You
probably
hate
me
I
I.
For
some
reason,
I
I
was
the
information
Central.
Apparently
this
past
week
and
I
think
I've
sent
45
50
emails
and
I
copy
Greg
on
everything,
if
I
send
them
directly
to
staff,
but
I,
usually
I
usually
try
to
make
sure
that
I
incorporate
the
department
head
that
it's
relevant
to
and
then
and
copy
Greg.
A
A
Oh
yeah,
well,
maybe
yeah.
No,
there
were
a
lot
this
week
and
I.
You
know
I
have
a
lot
that
I
can
put
in
my
newsletter.
That's
for
sure
why
can't
I
have
the
mulch
that's
being
done?
Oh
man
anyway,
I
have
a
question
for
you
before
we
move
on.
What's
the
situation
with
the
Christmas
tree
and
Christmas
decorations,.
C
I
AC
D
A
That
yeah
we
we
do
have,
we
do
have
parting
comments
and
parting
gifts.
When,
when
the
next
meeting
comes
up
but
I
agree,
I
will
reiterate
what
Mr
Levin
just
said.
It
has
been
a
pleasure
and
an
honor
serving
with
both
of
you
and
you
will
be
missed
and
we
will
Look
to
You
for
wisdom
from
time
to
time.
Should
we
meet
it
and
we
really
appreciate
everything
that
you
both
have
done
and
contributed
to
the
city
and
devoting
your
your
life
and
your
efforts
to
making
the
city
better.
A
We
really
appreciate
it,
and
just
a
last
minute
notice,
I've
mentioned
it
before
and
I've
talked
to
all
of
you,
but
November
11th
at
11.
A.M
in
this
room
is
the
Veterans
Day
ceremony
and
everyone
is
invited
to
participate.
If
you
would
like
to
join
us,
just
let
me
know
so.
I
can
tell
Gary
Butler
how
many
of
the
staff
will
be
here
for
any
of
you
who
might
like
to
participate
that
that
day
as
well
and
that's
all
I
have
Mrs
Kerry.
AF
AF
He
was
here
doing
what
he
could
do
to
secure
the
buildings
and
there,
as
I
said
before,
there
was
a
lot
of
damage
and
we
had
a
lot
of
terrified
residents,
but
his
presence
and
I
think
the
presence
of
a
lot
of
the
staff
they
also
came
in
to
keep
things
going
was
just
it
meant
so
much
to
the
residents,
and
you
know
we.
We
don't
really
do
much
with
the
Housing
Authority,
but
I
I
feel
that
you
know.
Maybe
we
need
to
just
tell
him
thanks,
because
what
he
did
was
remarkable.
AF
They
also
were
totally
without
internet
for
three
weeks
and
during
that
time
they
had
their
audit
and
of
course,
HUD
doesn't
wait
for
anybody
so
without
internet
they
had
to
do
an
audit,
which
was
also
amazing,
so
I
would
just
like
to
say
that
I,
you
know
I
love,
all
of
you
and
I
think
you
are
all
phenomenal,
but
it
doesn't
stop
at
the
staff
doors.
It
goes
out
into
the
City
and
we
are
really
blessed
to
have
him
in
charge
of
our
housing
authority,
and
he
did
not
pay
me
to
say
that.
A
C
M
M
M
AA
M
AB
M
All
right,
it
says,
were
there
there's
no
vision
the
people
perish
who
we
are.
We
are
small
historic,
southern
town
formed
in
tradition
of
unity,
collaboration
to
Enterprise,
based
on
our
Roots
as
a
Pioneer
City,
we're
the
balance
of
old
Florida,
gulp
close
to
living
and
called
on
by
seasonal
residents.
As
long
as
we
maintain
our
Punta
Gorda
values,
with
your
empathy
for
our
neighbors
protection
of
our
national
environment
and
support
of
our
small
businesses
will
Thrive
well
into
the
future.
We
value
our
elders
and
others
cherish
our
children.
M
Our
elders
embrace
the
role
of
leaving
a
legacy
through
creating
opportunities
for
those
coming
after
them,
and
our
young
people
work
to
maintain
our
way
of
life.
In
order
for
Punta
Gorda
to
maintain
this
historic
identity,
we
must
hold
them
to
these
values.
We
can
only
do
this
if
we
operate
in
a
sustainable
manner
where
we
are
right
now
right
now,
we're
not
sustainable.
Our
small
City
way
of
life
is
threatened.
M
The
city
has
had
to
raise
taxes
to
avoid
going
bankrupt
in
five
years,
because
it
currently
lacks
the
commercial
tax
base
needed
to
cover
the
cost
of
services.
I.
Recently
asked
a
well-respected
retail
recruiting
firm,
which
is
hired
by
small
cities,
to
revitalize
their
historic
downtowns
to
perform
an
economic
leakage
study
on
downtown
Punta
Gorda.
M
They
found
that
Punta
Gorda
is
losing
180
million
dollars
a
year
in
commercial
Revenue,
due
to
no
longer
having
a
true
downtowns
or
retail
districts
comprise
of
small
businesses
downtown
so
where
City
residents
obtain
most
of
their
goods
and
services,
downtowns
or
residents
will
live
a
walkable
distance
for
small
businesses.
As
pointed
out
in
the
study,
most
of
the
goods
and
services
consumed
by
our
residents
are
done
so
outside
of
the
city.
M
This
has
led
to
a
severe
shortage
of
commercial
taxes
needed
by
the
city
to
maintain
the
high
level
of
services
provided
to
our
residents.
When
cities
have
a
high
have
a
healthy
level
of
commercial
revenues,
the
residents
from
taxes
can
remain
low
because
commercial
taxes
cover
the
cost
service
is
not
being
paved
basic,
Financial
picture
of
the
city.
What
is
a
millage
millage
is
a
term
that
represents
a
tax
rate
levied
on
real
estate
or
other
property.
One
mill
is
one
thousandth
of
a
dollar
or
one
tenth
of
a
cent.
M
The
cost
of
the
city
to
provide
services
or
residence
is
about
5.1
Mills,
the
residential
tax
of
residence
is
currently
pay
is
3.9
Mills.
This
is
the
18
increase
from
the
year
before
which
our
residents
do
recognize.
In
this
year's
tax
notice.
This
difference
between
5.1
and
3.95
is
has
to
be
covered.
There
are
three
options
that
are
available
in
this
reality:
one
increase
taxes
on
a
population
that
is
largely
on
fixed
income,
two
reduce
the
level
of
services,
three
increase
the
commercial
tax
base.
M
One
I
personally
believe
the
increasing
taxes
on
a
larger,
largely
retired
population,
on
fixed
income
should
not
be
an
option.
Two.
Our
residents
are
accustomed
to
high
level
services,
so
reducing
Services
is
politically
not
an
option.
The
cost
of
delivering
services
to
our
residents
is
higher
than
what
is
in
the
numbers,
because
it's
been
mastered,
the
reducing
the
number
of
essential
staff
positions,
keeping
our
staff
pay
level
less
than
Market
rates
and
the
use
of
reserves.
And
it's
you
know-
we've
talked
about
the
16.7
reserves.
M
We
want
to
have
on
hand
because
emergency
situations
we
want
to
have
money
to
spend
because
FEMA
only
reimburses
they
don't
pay
at
the
beginning.
So
number
three
increasing
the
commercial
tax
base
to
be
in
balance
with
our
increasing
population
is
the
only
responsible
option.
In
doing
so,
the
tax
burden
of
residence
can
be
reduced.
M
Reducing
taxes
is
becoming
more
more
prudent
in
the
certain
rise
of
insurance
costs,
but
this
year
I
was
talking
with
several
insurance
companies,
and
these
new
flood
maps
are
coming
into
effect
this
year,
and
this
is
something
we've
really
got
to
consider
being
that
many
of
our
residents
have
mortgages
and
the
increasing
cost
of
insurance
and
now
higher
taxes
that
their
debt
to
loan
ratios
will
become
a
sustainable.
If
a
new
residents
it
will
become
much
more
expensive
in
our
community
to
live
due
to
these
loss
increases
the
loss
of
the
commercial
tax
base.
M
Our
city
council
changed
the
building
code
from
downtown
to
approximately
that
of
a
suburb,
rather
than
downtown
business
district
that
had
been
since
1885..
As
a
result,
this
is
after
Charlie
as
a
result,
240
businesses
were
lost
and
since
then
there's
been
neither
the
population-based
rooftops
nor
the
critical
mass
of
business
activity
to
restore
Punta
gorda's
downtown
business
district.
As
a
result,
Honda
Gorda
is
still
not
economically
recovered
from
Hurricane
Charlie
due
to
political
decisions,
not
economic
realities,
in
addition
to
the
post-trial
changes
to
the
building
code
and
not
following
a
best
practices.
M
Urban
Design
we've
also
denied
our
older
residents
who
live
in
areas
far
from
downtown
area
such
as
many
parts
of
PGI,
from
having
ready
access
to
goods
and
services
within
their
neighborhood,
something
very
important
to
a
population
of
largely
older
retirees.
What
is
the
evidence
of
the
loss
of
the
commercial
base?
M
In
addition
to
the
obvious
lack
of
a
downtime
business
district
run
downtown
a
place
where
our
residents,
up
until
time
of
Charlie,
were
historically
able
to
obtain
their
goods
and
services
in
Punta
Gorda,
where
the
spending
would
contribute
directly
to
city
coffers
and
keeping
the
cost
of
living
low
and
I.
Had
this
leakage
study
so
I
had
the
numbers
here.
M
This
is
the
study
had
on
the
city
and
you
see
to
the
ones
going
to
the
right.
Those
are
the
things
which
we
are
spending,
but
not
spending
within
the
city
of
Punta
Gorda.
So
the
numbers
extrapolated
are:
we
lose
a
million
dollars
a
year
in
limited
service,
eating
Place
sales.
We
lose
300
000
in
full
service
restaurant
sales.
We
lose
29
million
dollars
in
general
merchandise,
sales.
We
lose
4
million.
In
shoe
sales,
we
lose
11.5
million
in
clothing
sales.
We
lose
6.5
million
in
health
and
personal
sales.
M
We
lose
20.5
million
in
grocery
sales
and
we
lose
5.1
million
in
in
electronics
and
appliance
sales.
What
is
Smart
growth?
Smart
growth
means
having
commercial
development.
That's
in
Balance
to
residential
growth.
When
I
was
a
child.
Punta
Gorda
had
5
000
residents.
Now
it
has
19
000
off
season
and
went
around
32
during
season.
Yet
over
this
time
the
amount
of
cursor
of
revenues
is
not
paced
with
the
cost
of
services.
M
It
went
from
1960
3900
to
2021
about
19
800.,
so
in
in
growing
this
we
become
vulnerable
because
you
need
to
have
this
the
commercial
service
base
in
order
to
balance
out
the
cost
of
living
service.
At
this
point
now,
because
the
taxes
we
bring
in
are
less
than
the
price
that
of
Service
delivery,
we
it
keeps
the
city
in
a
dangerous
situation,
so
why
do
we
need
down
more
residential
downtown?
There's
an
adage
well
known
in
the
real
estate
profession?
Retail
follows
rooftops.
M
This
means
there
has
to
be
a
minimum
concentrated
population
in
particular
area
to
justify
a
commercial
Enterprise,
one
of
the
most
critical
losses
to
our
downtowns
president
Charlie
was
a
loss
of
hundreds
of
units
of
senior
housing
downtown.
These
residents
created
a
critical
mass
of
economic
activity
that
supported
our
downtown
businesses
without
the
return
of
downtown
residences.
Are
a
few
remaining
downtown.
M
M
There
are
no
Vacuums
in
physics,
there's
a
saying
the
nature,
of
course,
a
vacuum.
This
refers
to
belief
by
Aristotle.
That
nature
contains
no
vacuums,
because
the
denser
surrounding
material
contain
your
world
would
immediately
filled.
Basically
what
this
means
is
that
Punta
Gorda
for
104
years
has
been
the
historic
downtown
of
the
Tri-County
area.
At
least
we've
left
it
for
the
last
20
years.
Our
Bluff
is
now
being
called
in
that
in
not
being
the
downtown
other
areas
in
the
county
are
now
developing.
So
we
now
have
Charlotte
Harbor
along
Bay
Shore.
M
We
have
Sunseeker,
we
have
Westport,
we
have
our
adopted
point.
We
have
Tucker's
grave.
We
have
Epcot
Ranch.
We
have
North
Point
Welland
park
for
the
first
time
in
140
years,
we're
not
going
to
be
the
default
downtown.
This
is
critical
because
these
residents
from
other
places,
spend
in
our
city
and
they
hope
to
keep
our
taxes
low
for
our
residents.
I
had
a
meeting
with
the
planning
director
of
Northport
and
I
joke.
Thank
you
for
not
having
a
downtown.
You
keep
our
taxes
low.
Well.
M
M
This
is
important
because
we
also
want
our
downtown
to
be
an
attractor
for
people
from
these
other
areas,
because
at
this
point
we
don't
have
the
workforce
housing
for
people
to
live
in
our
city,
so
we
need
to
make
it
so
they
are
attracted
to
come
here.
So
they're
also
see
our
city
as
a
place
to
come
and
work
and
keep
providing
services
to
our
residents,
attainable
housing
and
form-based
codes.
It's
been
recognized.
M
The
single
greatest
contributor
to
the
shortest
of
Workforce
in
affordable
housing
is
a
fixation
and
the
current
local
governments
and
creating
density
and
zoning
rules
that
predominantly
allow
for
the
construction
of
single-family
detached
housing.
The
irony
is
that
the
small
town,
Americana
building
types
and
walkable
streets
that
are
so
considered
to
be
attractive
and
representative
historic,
small
cities
and
towns
are
largely
prohibited
by
being
instructed
due
to
zoning
and
density
rules.
These
missing
middle
housing
structures,
which
are
home-scale
buildings
of
varying
densities
that
are
in
the
middle
between
single
family,
detached
and
small
Apartments.
M
M
M
So
therefore
the
residents
are
actually
within
walking
distance
of
somewhere
they
can
eat
and
as
long
as
the
structure
maintains,
is
consistent,
exterior
look
that
supports
the
city's
overall
aesthetic.
There
is
less
concern
about
use
where
the
residential
or
commercial
and
the
natural
parsing
configuration
historic
districts
is
to
have.
The
majority
of
parking
on
the
street
is
because
this
outside
connection
that
differentiates
historic
districts
from
Suburban
zones
in
a
suburb
people
can
go
into
a
garage
enter.
M
The
house
never
interact
with
Neighbors
in
a
historic
district
because
parking
for
most
residents,
this
is
on
the
street.
Residents
have
to
interact
with
each
other.
This
is
the
characteristic
of
downtown
living.
The
abundance
or
lack
of
parking
is
the
factor
which
the
viability
of
a
use
is
determined
rather
than
in
arbitrary
restriction
when
imposed
by
our
use
of
a
property.
M
This
is
something
which
I've
noticed
also
we've
been
on
this
18-year
cycle
since
1968,
which
city
council
is
meeting
decisions
increasingly
at
odds
with
the
city's
long-term
interests
by
harming
the
downtown,
as
mentioned
earlier
in
1968
against
the
interest
of
residents,
the
city
decided
to
destroy
a
neighborhood
through
the
imposition
of
public
housing
which
was
not
needed
by
the
residents.
In
doing
so,
the
result
was
the
business
district
was
destroyed
and
that
led
to
the
decline
of
the
city
itself
well
into
the
80s,
also
as
I
mentioned
earlier.
M
Just
for
the
note
for
the
record,
there
is
no
such
place
as
the
East
side.
This
is
a
fiction
created
by
people
who
are
not
from
Punta
Gorda,
who
do
not
know
our
history.
Punta
Gorda
has
had
a
single
downtown
for
his
entire
history.
It
was
not
until
city
council,
between
65
and
68
imposed
this
idea
of
a
social
segregated
City
on
the
Punta
Gorda,
that
decline
of
downtown
began.
M
M
There
were
just
as
many
historic
homes
East
the
41
as
there
were
West
before,
and
this
these
actions
greatly
harmed
the
historic
Integrity
of
the
downtown
historic
district,
2004
and
five
city
council
imposed
building
code
on
downtown
to
prevented
it
from
revitalizing
its
downtown
business
Corps
and
moved
to
a
significant
number
of
senior
houses
away
from
downtown
culling.
The
residential
population
needed
to
support
downtown
commercial
District.
M
22-23
we've
already
begun
to
the
wrong
foot
in
that
we're
denying
best
practices
in
Urban
Design
and
preventing
three
and
a
half
of
five
districts
residents,
from
benefiting
from
expert
planning
advice.
Due
to
our
rejection,
the
best
practices,
we've
turned
a
large
portion
of
PGI
into
a
food
desert
residents
being
miles
from
food
or
essential
services.
Our
master
plan
accounted
for
the
particular
needs
of
the
retiree
population,
which
at
this
point
we
lose
50
percent
of
every
five
to
seven
years,
due
to
not
being
a
suitable
place
to
age
in
place.
M
When
I
was
a
child.
Sun
City
Center
was
the
place
to
retire
to,
but
at
that.
But
at
that
time
it
ceased
to
attract
new
residents
and
eventually
fell
into
a
relative
obscurity
as
compared
two
generations
ago.
We
faced
a
similar
fate
if
we
do
not
change
our
ways
and
become
a
better
Community
to
Asian
place
and
to
raise
a
family.
Private
owners
become
a
place
that
only
caters
to
the
young
active
retiree.
It
does
not
adequately
accommodate
the
needs
of
older
retirees.
M
M
They
may
not
be
a
parent
to
new
residence,
so
I
invited
aarp's,
Florida,
subject
matter
expert
to
our
city
council
to
share
her
perspective
on
our
Citywide
master
plan
and
our
current
trajectory
as
a
city
I
invited
Dr,
Kathy
black,
who
was
a
next
Avenue
top
50
National,
influencer
and
aging,
a
Hartford,
geriatric
faculty
scholar
and
a
fellow
engineer,
ontological
Society
of
America.
She
led
Florida's,
first
age-friendly
community
and
to
age
friendly,
Community
consultant
for
AARP
Florida.
M
She
she
serves
as
advisory
role
in
Aging
for
four
state
departments,
including
the
Florida
Department
of
Elder
Affairs,
Departments
of
health
and
transportation,
and
the
Florida
consensus
Center
she's
a
professor
of
Aging
studies
at
University
of
South
Florida.
She
spoke
on
the
importance
of
livable
communities
and
to
provide
us
expert
advice
in
aging
to
ensure
that
we
were
designing
our
Citywide
master
plan
in
a
manner
that
provides
the
best
built
environment
for
our
residents
to
best
be
able
to
maintain
their
quality
of
life
and
age
in
place.
M
I
have
the
meeting
as
you
can
see,
on
YouTube
it
was
the
city
council,
meeting,
September,
18,
2019.,
she's
speaking
between
13
minutes
and
46
seconds
and
46
minutes
and
40
seconds.
In
my
decision
making
of
city
council
I
was
taking
into
account
whether
these
actions
were
taking
within
the
livability
communities
of
eight
domains,
livability
and
the
eight
to
eighty
cities
philosophy,
the
livable
communities
enhances
personal
Independence.
M
It
allows
residents
to
remain
in
their
homes
and
communities
as
they
age
and
provide
opportunities
for
residents
of
all
ages,
ability,
levels
and
backgrounds
to
engage
in
fully
in
Civic
economic
and
social
life.
According
to
AARP,
the
livable
Community
is
101
to
safe
and
secure.
It
offers
choices
where
one
can
live
and
get
around
it.
Equitably
serves
residents
of
all
ages,
ability,
levels,
incomes,
races,
ethnicities
and
backgrounds.
Livable
communities
include
essential
features
that
allow
residents
of
all
ages
and
backgrounds
to
thrive.
M
M
Why,
as
I
mentioned
earlier,
we've
created
food
deserts
for
older
residents
and
PGI,
because
we've
chose
not
to
follow
the
expert
advice
of
our
consultant,
who
works
in
direct
concert
with
aerp
and
creating
the
best
conditions
for
residents
to
Asian
place
in
eliminating
districts.
Three
two
three
four
and
most
of
the
five
from
the
Safeway
master
plan,
because
we
didn't
like
the
expert
device
and
suggesting
we
place
small-scale
commercial
development
PGI
so
that
our
our
older
residents
and
children
could
be
near
to
essential
business
services.
So,
at
the
end,
Dr
Black
spoke
very
candidly.
M
She
said
in
her
entire
career
she'd,
never
seen
a
community
plan
so
little
for
its
future.
She
said
even
the
villages
with
this
explicit
focus
on
retirement
living
recognizes
the
importance
of
building
Workforce
housing
for
those
who
provide
them
services
and
charter
schools
for
their
children.
She
said
that
we're
operating
like
a
water
tower,
placing
everything
at
the
top
and
nothing
for
the
future
8
to
80..
She
left
us
with
an
important
perspective
to
reflect
on
this
concept
is
called
8
to
80..
M
It
means
that
the
very
same
environment
that
an
eight-year-old
needs
to
thrive
an
80
year
old,
needs
to
thrive,
meaning
that
if
we
build
our
environment
to
take
care
of
the
youngest
and
oldest
members,
everyone
else
will
be
taken
care
of
it's.
For
this
reason,
the
downtown
living
be
provided
to
seniors
again,
like
it
was
in
the
past.
As
our
seniors
grow
older.
Many
would
like
to
downsize
into
more
manageable
living
environment,
the
very
same
house
or
apartment
that
is
ideal
for
downsizing
seniors.
M
A
very
same
configuration
that
a
starter
house
for
working
family
in
restricting
the
housing
types
in
our
city.
We're
not
only
reducing
the
ability
for
our
Workforce
to
live
in
our
community,
where
salaries
will
be
contributing
to
our
economy
rather
than
to
the
communities
where
they
live.
We
also
are
reducing
the
ability
for
our
older
retirees
to
be
able
to
continue
to
live
in
their
Community
as
they
grow
older.
M
The
reason
we
lose
so
many
of
our
neighbors
to
other
communities
as
they
age
is
because
we're
not
built
to
accommodate
the
needs
of
an
aging
population,
walkability,
ready
access
to
goods
and
services,
ready
access
to
Social
and
enrichment
activity
and
socialization
is
essential
because
we're
a
city
with
a
high
percentage
of
seniors.
We
cannot
afford
to
pretend
we
are
not
and
take
the
initiative
to
create
the
best
conditions
for
our
residents
to
thrive
in.
M
We
should
walkable
communities
which
essential
Goods
services
and
social
activities
are
near
enough
to
our
residents,
so
they
can
access
them
within
close
proximity
of
their
homes.
One
of
the
main
reasons
we
lose
so
many
of
our
residents
to
other
communities
is
one
that
becomes
harder
and
harder
to
drive
to
access
goods
and
services
on
demand
and
two
the
size
of
homes
that
many
of
our
residents
become
hardest
to
manage
as
they
age.
Yet.
City
council
does
not
allow
for
zoning.
M
It
allows
for
downsize
housing
inventory
that
will
be
suitable
for
our
seniors
to
move
into
and
maintain
their
independence.
Our
reality
most
of
our
residents
are
retirees
and
Olympics
incomes.
They
wish
to
live
in
a
city
where
they
do
not
have
to
worry
about
increasing
taxes
and
where
they
know
they
have
enough
financial
reserves
in
place
for
natural
disasters
like
hurricanes,
downtown
residents,
patronize
downtime
businesses
on
a
daily
basis.
Our
current
building
code
restricts
the
building
of
desperately
needed
downtown
residences.
M
Our
downtown
can
be
restored
to
re-adopting
building
codes
that
reflect
the
city's
historic
architectural
forms.
Form-Based
codes
are
a
way
to
ensure
development
is
done
in
architectural
forms
that
represent
our
city.
Farm
based
codes.
Allow
us
to
return
to
the
low
rise,
mixed-use
building
store,
downtown
being
the
main
architectural
feature
of
our
city
was
Hotel.
Punta
Gorda,
its
height,
including
decorative
features,
can
serve
as
a
maximum
height
for
downtown
core,
as
this
was
the
historic
High
skyline
of
our
city.
M
These
low-rise
downtown
buildings,
in
addition
to
housings
shops
and
boutiques
on
the
ground
floor,
will
provide
housing
for
downsizing
seniors
and
above
when
we
currently
lose
this
50
like
I
mentioned.
If
we
are
the
retirees
friendly
City,
we
say
we
are.
We
should
make
this
city
more
livable
for
seniors
through
providing
walkable,
downtown
housing
options
to
them.
In
doing
so,
we'll
be
supporting
the
growth
of
our
downtown
small
businesses,
which
provide
needed
goods
and
services
and
keep
our
residences
our
taxes
low.
M
In
order
to
maintain
our
way
of
life,
we
have
to
return
to
our
true
identity
as
a
small,
historic
City.
The
sermons
is
the
county
seat
and
holder
of
the
County's
historic
downtown.
We
have
the
opportunity
to
celebrate
who
we
are
through
infusing
our
values
into
our
architectural
framework.
In
doing
so,
we
will
be
providing
our
city
residents
with
what
we
need
in
the
future.
When
I
came
to
council,
my
vision
was
to
create
the
conditions
in
which
our
children
and
Elders
came
once
again.
M
Thrive
I
feel
this
Foundation
has
been
laid
with
the
new
form-based
codes
expert
advice
on
urban
planning.
We
both
have
within
our
staff
and
as
higher
Consultants.
We
can
very
easily
within
the
next
18
to
24
months,
Rectify
54
years
of
regressive
policies
through
facilitating
the
development
of
dynamic,
walkable,
responsive,
downtown
living
and
working
Corridor,
in
which
our
elders
and
our
young
families
can
once
again
Thrive
I'll
leave
this
achievable
goal
for
the
incoming
Council.
M
M
So
our
Legacy
is
this
effective
local
government
decisions
come
from
interviewing
stakeholders
directly
impacted
on
the
issues,
research
on
best
practices
on
the
field
of
inquiry,
expert
staff
review
and
robust
public
input
on
the
issue
is
this
combination
of
expert
advice,
research
and
public
input
that
an
elected
official
can
make
an
informed
decision
that
will
have
a
long-term
positive
impact
in
the
community,
though
there
may
be
peer
social
pressure
to
do
so.
It's
very
important.
M
The
future
city
councils
guard
against
making
decisions
based
on
the
results
of
holding
a
close
circle
of
friends
on
their
opinions
on
an
issue.
This
leads
to
one
year
or
less
Vision
Horizon
decision
making
whereby
to
govern
responsibly.
An
elected
official
should
have
a
10
20,
50-year
Vision
Horizon,
making
decisions
because
city
council,
Bingo
City
Council
has
been
a
great
honor
and
privilege
to
serve
our
community.