►
From YouTube: City Council Special Meeting 10-10-18 Part 3
Description
No description was provided for this meeting.
If this is YOUR meeting, an easy way to fix this is to add a description to your video, wherever mtngs.io found it (probably YouTube).
B
Hi,
my
name
is
Eliza
Harris
Juliano.
Thank
you
for
having
us
mayor
and
council.
We're
excited
to
be
here
to
talk
about
the
Punta
Gorda
master
plan,
I'm,
going
to
talk
to
you
a
little
bit
about
our
team,
our
approach
to
the
project,
both
in
terms
of
management
as
well
as
substance,
and
what
we
as
a
team,
bring
to
Punta
Gorda.
That's
unique.
B
Canada
Associates
has
been
operating
for
nearly
40
years
internationally
in
14
different
countries,
but
we've
worked
with
lots
of
local
governments
throughout
the
state
of
Florida
to
build
powerful
visions
that
are
also
realistic.
We're
led
by
Brian
Canaan
who's
been
leading
that
firm
throughout
the
that
38
years.
He
would
have
loved
to
be
here
today,
but
he's
actually
participating
in
a
Uli
council.
B
B
On
Smart
Growth
issues,
we
have
a
three
studio
organization,
so
Greg
Witherspoon
leads
our
landscape
studio
and
one
of
the
unique
things
that
brings
to
our
planning
practice
is
that
they
see
those
projects
through
two
constructions.
So
we
have
a
really
firm
idea
of
what
our
projects
look
like
when
they
go
into
the
implementation
phase.
Similarly,
Toni
leads
our
architecture
studio
and
starting
with
creative
ideas
and
taking
them
all
the
way
through
to
construction
for
everything,
from
really
high-end
custom
homes
down
to
affordable
housing,
which
is
a
passion
of
Brian's.
B
Another
unique
member
of
our
team
is
Juergen
Duncan.
He
has
a
super
interesting
background.
Having
grown
up
in
a
military
family
in
Germany
and
seeing
a
lot
of
different
transportation
options
that
are
beyond
what
we're
used
to
seeing
in
the
United
States,
but
then
came
back
to
the
u.s.
and
worked
for
several
decades
in
u.s.
engineering
firms.
So
he
has
a
unique
combination
of
understanding,
urban
design
and
aesthetics
with
understanding
the
nuts
and
bolts
of
transportation
function
for
both
biking,
walking
and
driving,
and
then
Henry
Tamara.
B
Another
unique
asset
in
our
firm
is
creates
beautiful
illustrations
and
he's
moved
seamlessly
from
creating
all
of
the
hand-drawn
illustrations
into
the
digital
world
and
doing
photo
realistic
type
renderings.
So
we
think
we've
assembled
a
great
team
here,
of
course,
Jaime
Correa
you
may
be
familiar
with.
He
was
the
team
leader
of
the
2005
citizen
master
plan.
Also
with
us
is
Stan
gabber.
B
He
is
from
fish
kind
associates
which
is
really
the
go-to
firm
for
economic
analysis
in
the
state
of
Florida
and
then
Ken
Glander,
who
have
had
the
pleasure
of
working
with
in
the
past
who's
with
rwa
engineering,
which
has
offices
throughout
Southwest
Florida.
So
I'm
gonna
use
this
graphic
to
lead
you
through
the
project.
We
put
together
a
pretty
conservative
schedule
and
we
built
in
a
good
amount
of
time
for
staff
review
of
deliverables
as
well
as
coming
back
to
Council
at
different
stages
with
with
check-ins
throughout
the
project.
B
We
also
know
that
we
need
to
be
flexible,
I
think
when
we
went
into
the
project
and
in
Dustin
that
we
worked
on
with
Ken,
we
had
a
beautiful
schedule
and
then
we
found
out
everything
had
to
be
done
before
the
next
election
and
by
the
way
everyone
was
leaving
in
about
two
months
for
season.
So
everything
happened
to
happen
much
quicker
than
we
anticipated,
so
we're
very
flexible
on
this,
and
we
we
we
flexed
the
realities
of
the
situation.
B
You
asked
us
what
we
did
to
change
the
scope,
so
I
just
want
to
highlight
a
couple
of
small
but
but
important
changes.
We
added
a
presentation
back
to
counsel
at
the
end
of
the
first
phase,
because
we
know
you're
really
interested
in
this
economic
piece,
and
so
we
wanted
to
make
sure
to
get
that
back
to
you
as
soon
as
we
could.
We
also
think
it's
pretty
important
to
have
a
council
approval
of
the
vision
before
we
get
too
deep
into
the
implementation
phase.
B
So
we
added
that
step
at
the
end
of
the
master
plan,
Charette
phase
and
that's
exactly
what
we
did
recently
in
the
city
of
Titusville,
where
we
have
an
approved
vision
that
we
then
moved
forward
into.
In
that
case,
an
amendment
of
their
comprehensive
plan
and
as
part
of
that,
the
actual
implementation
plan
moves
into
phase
C.
Now
we're
certainly
thinking
about
implementation
throughout.
But
that
plan
is
in
the
last
phase.
B
B
Moving
into
the
first
phase,
one
of
the
big
things
we
focus
on,
of
course,
from
a
design
lens
is
the
physical
character
of
the
place
as
people
experience
it
on
the
ground.
And
then
we
also,
of
course,
have
the
ability
to
go
up
to
30,000
feet
and
see
the
big
picture
using
our
GIS
and
mapping
analysis.
B
One
of
the
things
that
you
asked
for,
but
that
we
also
do
on
a
regular
basis,
is
look
at
what
the
competitive
landscape
looks
like
both
in
how
we
can
exceed
expectations
relative
to
other
projects
in
the
region
and
sometimes
in
the
state,
and
also
if
there
are
pieces
that
we
want
to
emulate
from
other
projects
that
citizens
like
to
visit
or
or
experience.
And
then
the
2005
master
plan
review
is
also
part
of
this
step.
Of
course,
we
have
a
wonderful
asset
with
Jaime
Correa
being
on.
B
Our
team
can
really
understand
the
original
intent
of
the
plan,
but
at
the
same
time
as
canid
associates
coming
in
fresh,
we
have
a
new
perspective
and
we're
not
married
to
any
of
those
recommendations.
We
want
to
give
them
the
proper
weight,
given
the
extent
of
public
involvement
that
went
into
those.
We
also
need
to
make
sure
we're
hearing
new
voices
moving
forward
in
the
process.
I'm
gonna
hand
it
over
to
Stan
governor
to
talk
specifically
about
the
economic
piece.
C
Good
morning,
mayor
and
council
Stan
governor
with
fish
kind,
&
Associates,
thanks
for
having
us
here
today,
so
fish
kind
associates-
intends
to
provide
the
economic
and
the
market,
expertise
that
informs
the
planning
elements
and
the
engineering
elements.
So
our
areas
of
expertise
include
land
use,
demand,
market
demand,
development
potential
and
absorption
rates
and
how
all
these
kinds
of
economic
matters
and
factors
affect
fiscal
conditions
and
economic
conditions
as
we
go
forward
in
the
development
process
and
in
the
planning
process.
C
In
addition
to
the
market
economics,
our
plan
is
to
deliver
to
you
a
fully
calibrated
fiscal
impact
analysis
model.
This
is
a
model,
it's
a
tool
which
allows
you
to
evaluate
the
costs
and
revenues
on
an
average
basis,
costs
and
revenues
of
particular
land
use
choices
or
particular
geographic
area
choices
that
you
may
want
to
examine
to
find
out.
You
know:
are
these
things
fiscally
sustainable?
Do
we
have
surplus
revenues
or
negative
revenues
from
a
particular
area
or
a
land
use
type
choice,
and
then
we
can
evaluate
those.
C
The
goal
is
really
to
identify
potential
revenue
sources
to
provide
you
with
a
fiscally
sustainable
set
of
options
and
directions
which,
in
particular,
keys
off
of
the
2016
annexation.
Summer
report
were
done,
a
lot
of
work
in
terms
of
identifying
areas,
ranking
them
with
a
really
good
table
matrix.
C
What
are
the
key
annexation
areas
that
we
want
to
start
with,
based
on
the
matrix
based
on
the
public
input,
adding
to
that
fiscal
impact,
analysis
tool
which
tells
you
you
know?
How
do
we
balance
this
financially?
How
do
we
identify
the
new
revenue
sources
and
then
add
to
that
market-based
reality
with
real
world
market
economics
to
drive,
demand
and
development
potential
and
hand
you
a
road
map
for
next
steps?
For
how
do
we
go
to
the
next
level?
C
How
do
we
grow,
and
this
is
the
kind
of
thing
that
we're
really
excited
to
do,
because
we
get
to
do
that
not
only
in
a
real-world
sense
but
on
a
what-if
sense,
so
working
with
Canaan
and
working
with
the
other
partners
in
the
team,
and
what
we
really
like
to
do
is
to
examine
what
happens
when
we
apply
different
types
of
design
standards,
different
types
of
urbanization,
alternatives
and
test
those
fiscally
to
see
what
kind
of
revenue
generation
they
could
potentially
make
for
you.
So
with
that
I'll
turn
it
back
over
thanks.
B
Dan,
so
the
part
of
this
project
is,
of
course,
the
master
plan
Charette.
This
parsha
portion
of
the
schedule
includes
not
just
the
Shred
itself,
but
the
lead
up
to
it,
as
well
as
the
documentation
and
approval,
but
this
is
really
core
to
how
we
involve
the
public
in
the
on
a
regular
basis,
whether
we
call
it
a
workshop
or
a
shret.
We
understand
that
we're
working
collaboratively
with
the
public
we're
going
in
informed,
but
at
the
same
time,
without
preconceived
notions
of
what
the
solutions
might
be
and
then
up
with
really
creative
options.
B
We
start
that
process
off
with
a
pre
Charette
visit.
This
is
an
opportunity
for
us
to
work
with
stakeholders
to
with
key
leaders
that
you
identify
in
the
community,
perhaps
yourselves
and
staff,
to
decide
what
we
should
focus
the
conversation
in
the
Charette
on
as
a
starting
point
and
we've
already
started
to
throw
out
to
you.
Some
of
some
of
those
things
we
think
you're
going
to
want
to
focus
on
such
as
we
know,
redevelopment
in
particular
height
downtown,
is
a
major
issue.
B
Transportation
is
always
a
major
issue
within
these
land-use
plans
and
that's
really
part
of
Kanan
specialty.
Finding
the
intersection
between
urban
design,
transportation
and
land
use
I
in
particular,
have
a
specialty
in
biking
and
walking,
I
biked
to
work
on
a
regular
basis
and
I'm
on
the
board
of
bike,
walk
Central
Florida
in
my
home
area,
as
well
as
working
on
those
issues
nationally
and
we're
very
rare
of
national
trends
and
how
those
might
affect
the
future
possibilities
within
Punta
Gorda
and
making
sure
those
factor
into
our
planning
during
the
first.
B
So
we've
we've
actually
split
the
Charette
into
two
weeks,
which
is
a
new
model
that
we're
working
with
that
first
week
is
focused
on
learning
from
the
community,
setting
the
big
direction
and
we'll
begin
to
throw
out
solutions
and
ideas
from
our
creative
design
team.
We
understand
that
there
was
a
significant
public
engagement
process,
the
first
time
these
photos
all
represent.
That
and
hi
may
you'll
see
and
many
of
them,
and
so
we
want.
B
And
then,
when
we
come
back,
we'll
have
had
the
opportunity
to
do
a
little
research
on
any
ideas
that
came
up
that
we
may
not
have
been
planning
for
as
well
as
refining
solutions,
and
so
we
can
come
back
with
a
really
concrete
idea
that
we
can
communicate
to
the
public
about
what
the
future
might
look
like.
And
so
we
can
focus
in
that
second
week
on
gaining
consensus.
This
has
been
very
successful
for
us
in
the
past.
B
This
particular
solution,
not
just
the
pretty
picture,
but
the
actual
idea,
sieved
a
90%,
positive
approval
rating
from
this
community,
and
that's
a
really
strong
way
to
go
into
that.
Council
approval
session
and
you'll
also
know
if
there's
any
issues
where
consensus
is
lacking.
So
that
is
that
will
lead
us
into
the
implementation
stage
and
in
terms
of
implementation,
you've
asked
us
to
focus
on
the
land
development
code,
which
is
great
because
that's
an
area
of
strength
for
us.
B
We
we're
going
to
be
starting
to
assess
the
complexity
of
the
code,
all
the
way
back
in
the
first
phase,
when
we
just
do
an
overview
of
what
level
of
change
could
be
needed.
So
we
know
going
into
the
public
meetings
what
kind
of
environment
your
code
is
producing
now
and
then
coming
out
of
the
Charette
with
a
real
vision
in
place.
B
We
can
do
a
deep
dive
and
say
what
standards
have
to
change
to
make
the
future
look
different
than
it
would
look
under
the
current
standards
and
we
were
experienced
at
working
this
goal
into
the
Charette.
We
did
this
as
part
of
our
destin
project,
where
we
produced
both
technical
drawings
and
engaging
visuals
that
help
the
public
understand
what
changes
to
the
code
might
result
in
if
they
like
these
particular
types
of
built
environments
and
we're
actually
working
right
now
on
one
of
the
largest
form-based
codes
and
really
land
development
codes.
B
In
the
country,
if
certainly
the
state,
if
not
the
country
in
Orange
County,
it's
a
comprehensive
overhaul,
it
hasn't
been
comprehensively
looked
at
since
1956
and
so
we're
getting
into
pretty
much
every
issue.
You
could
possibly
get
into
from
very
suburban
and
rural
situations
to
much
more
urban
situations.
Hime
Acharya
also
has
significant
code
experience,
and
then
we
will
have
our
engineering
team
to
ground
truth
any
of
these
ideas.
B
So
in
terms
of
management,
you're,
always
I'm,
always
the
first
person
that
you
can
call
and
I'll
make
sure
you
get
the
answer
that
you're
looking
for.
Of
course,
we
have
open
channels
so
that,
if
you
have
a
question
about
economics,
you
can
talk
directly
to
stand,
so
he
can
describe
it
in
all
of
its
wonderful
detail.
But
ultimately,
Kanan
will
be
responsible
for
managing
the
sub
consultants,
making
sure
the
trains
run
on
time
and
managing
the
quality
of
the
deliverables
so
I'm
gonna
hand
it
over
to
Ken
from
rwa
Thank.
D
You
Liza
good
morning,
mayor
city,
council,
again
I'm
Kendall
and
ER
I'm
with
art
of
engineering.
As
she
mentioned,
we
have
a
headquarters
down
in
Naples,
but
we
have
a
major
office
just
down
the
road
in
Fort
Myers
and
also
just
north
of
you
and
Venice,
but
we're
a
full-service,
firm
land
use
planning
civil
engineering
surveying
mapping.
But
from
this
local
knowledge
perspective,
I
want
to
kind
of
frame
this
portion.
By
stating
you
know
our
team.
The
partnership
we
established
really
provides
a
strong
synergy
of
these
various
perspectives
and
expertise.
D
That's
going
to
allow
us
to
really
navigate
really
through
this
master
plan
development
effort,
but
drilling
down
as
a
local
firm.
In
support
of
this,
we
have
developed
a
local
knowledge
and
a
positive
relationship
with
our
involvement
working
in
the
city
over
the
years
and
as
a
result,
have
gained
a
solid
familiarity
with
the
comp
play
in
2040,
your
land
development
regulations
and
really
all
the
extensive
planning
initiatives
and
documents
that
you've
established
since
that
2005
master
plan
citizens
master
plan,
but
as
a
local
firm.
D
They
worked
18
years
up
there,
so
I
apologize
but
privilege
of
working
with
Kanan
and
really
through
that
effort.
They
brought
a
lot
of
successes
through
that
visioning
effort,
mainly
through
their
expertise
of
that
outside
that
fresh
perspective,
that
we
as
staff
and
others
in
the
professional
community
down
there
just
hadn't
seen
in
a
long
time,
and
that
was
successfully
recognized
as
you
could
see
in
that
90
percent
approval
was
really
important
to
us.
D
Additionally,
the
engagement
of
the
partners
from
the
local
firms
and
the
professionals
that
they
were
insured,
the
city
staff
at
that
level
really
involved
and
was
so
key
to
the
successes.
But,
of
course,
Elijah
mentioned
the
implementation
part
of
any
sort
of
master
plan.
It
will
be
those
local
firms,
those
local
professionals
that
are
instrumental
in
taking
the
projects
and
taking
those
initiatives
and
moving
those
through
and
it's
no
different
than
a
firm
like
RW
8.
D
To
be
able
to
work
as
being
part
of
that
and
moving
that
continuity
through
the
process,
but
so
to
wrap
up.
We
have
a
strong
engaged
partnership
with
the
team,
the
various
perspectives
from
the
historical
and
the
prior
knowledge
of
jaime
and
the
local
knowledge
that
our
firm
can
provide
and
then
that
obviously
strong
outside
expertise
and
fresh
perspective
that
their
overall
Keenan
team
can
provide.
So
thank
you
and
I'll
turn
it
back
over
to
Elijah.
B
So
you
specifically
talked
about
how
we
translate
theory
into
practice,
and
this
is
another
area
where
we
feel
like
we're
really
strong,
because
Keenan
use
our
self
as
a
research
based
firm.
These
are
just
a
few
examples
of
some
of
our
transportation
research.
Not
only
would
we
do
this
background
research,
that's
original
or
based
on
national,
invest
standards,
but
we're
implementing
it
daily
in
our
projects.
But
since
we
have
a
professor
on
our
team,
I'm
gonna
hand
it
over
to
him
to
really
delve
into
this
I.
E
Must
apologize
for
something
I
did
14
years
ago
in
the
summer
of
2014.
I
did
something
that
some
of
my
colleagues
will
find
unreasonable,
skee
and
even
crazy.
What
did
I
do?
I
took
a
phone
call
from
Tim
Punta
Gorda
and
in
less
than
30
minutes
and
in
less
than
30
seconds,
I
decided
to
lead
one
of
the
greatest
grassroot
design
efforts
in
the
history
of
the
state
of
Florida.
E
It
only
took
me
30
seconds
to
understand
that
on
the
tragic
night
of
August
13
of
2004,
the
visual
identity
of
the
city
of
Punta,
Gorda
and
the
sense
of
security
of
its
citizens
had
been
totally
shattered
by
Hurricane.
Charley
I
knew
this
feeling
because
I
had
lost
my
own
house
during
the
events
of
Hurricane
Andrew
in
1992.
E
During
that
phone
call,
I
recognize
that
Punta
Gorda
was
a
thriving
community
with
historic
buildings
and
neighborhoods
retail
areas.
Civic
institutions,
places
of
recreation
and
people
living
in
isolated
developments
around
regional
highways
and
along
one
of
the
largest
networks
of
canals
would
direct
access
to
the
ocean
in
the
west
coast
of
Florida.
This,
for
me,
was
a
real
place
with
real
people.
E
Six
months
later,
I
arrived
to
a
Sacred
Heart
Catholic
Church,
with
a
team
of
collaborators
who
are
not
interested
in
precooked
ideas.
No,
ladies
and
gentlemen,
that
is
not
what
we
wanted.
What
we
wanted
to
know
was
what
each
and
every
one
of
your
citizens
thought
was
the
most
appropriate
thing
for
the
city
of
Punta
Gorda,
and
the
only
way
to
do
that
was
to
by
means
of
what,
at
that
time,
we
called
aggressive
crowd.
E
I
have
a
second
confession
to
make
these
days,
I
spend
most
of
my
available
time
at
the
University
of
Miami,
where
I'm
a
professor
of
urban
design
and
as
a
professor
I,
spend
most
of
my
time
thinking
about
how
to
turn
theory
into
practice.
So,
let's
start
by
asking
us
that
question.
What
is
theory
theoria
was
the
word
used
by
the
Greeks
and
it
meant
a
mental
scheme.
A
way
of
seeing
the
world
theory
is
in
fact,
the
mental
capacity
to
gain
perspective,
to
form
judgments
and
to
form
ideas
about
the
world.
E
I
have
learned
that,
if
I
observe
something
long
enough,
I
can
eventually
gain
in
the
wreck,
vision
of
its
essential
features
and,
as
a
consequence,
we
can
produce
cities
in
architecture
in
which
beauty,
economy
and
functionality
are
intermingled
to
produce
places
where
you
can
find
everything
you
need
for
your
daily
living
at
walking
distance,
including
food
production,
to
turn
theory
into
practice.
We
can
offer
what
David
Hume
the
greatest
greatest
Irish
philosopher
call
a
remedy
for
the
obstructions
of
beauty.
E
That
is
what
we
offer,
and
that
is
who
we
are.
Ladies
and
gentlemen,
this
is
a
moment
charged
with
a
new
and
infinite
possibilities.
Please
allow
us
to
do
this
together.
One
more
time
allow
us
to
become
the
guiding
force
for
your
citizens
for
your
business
owners,
your
public
officials
and
stakeholders,
and
thank
you
for
having
us
here.
One
more
time.
B
Thank
you
so
much
Jaime,
so
to
start
to
wrap
up
you're,
really
giving
us
a
challenge.
That's
within
our
core
expertise.
What
we
do
as
a
firm
at
Kane
and
associates,
and
our
partners
as
well
is
create
powerful
visions
that
communities
can
move
forward
with
into
creating
great
sustainable
places
for
people
to
spend
their
time.
We
do
that
through
really
robust
conversations
with
the
public.
B
We
do
that
by
engaging
all
of
the
different
disciplines
that
we
have,
both
within
our
firm,
which
include
not
just
planning
but
architecture,
transportation,
landscape
architecture
and
by
partnering,
with
great
professionals
in
fields
like
economics
and
engineering,
so
that
we're
not
boxed
in
by
any
particular
professional
perspective,
but
we're
able
to
come
up
with
really
unique
ideas
and
solutions
that
don't
necessarily
fit
in
a
neat
box,
and
we
think
we
brought
the
right
team
together.
We
have
the
perspective
of
the
two
thousand
five
plan,
as
well
as
Himes
ongoing
creativity
in
the
University
of
Miami.
B
We
have
the
really
the
most
trusted
firm
for
financial
analysis
by
local
governments
in
the
state
of
Florida.
We
have
a
great
partnership
with
an
existing
local
firm
that
we
want
to
move
forward,
and
you
know
I
think
similar
to
what
hi
may
was
trying
to
get
across.
We,
we
have
really
a
team
of
people
who
are
leaders
in
our
profession.
B
That's
out
there
that
we're
aware
of
nationwide,
so
we
think
we've
put
together
a
great
team
with
both
our
national
expertise,
locally
grounded
in
the
past
and
the
future,
and
we
hope
that
you'll,
let
us
put
all
that
to
work
for
you
in
putting
together
this
vision
for
the
future
of
Punta
Gorda.
Thank
you.
Thank.
A
C
We
can
always
re-enable
the
CRA
if
the
county
will
allow
it
there's
Home
Rule,
which
allows
you
to
capture
some
of
the
ad
valorem
revenues
from
the
city
that
you
can
implement
as
a
revenue
source
and
within
certain
areas
of
the
CRA.
You
may
be
able
to
find
public-private
partnerships
and
contributions
from
development
community
in
terms
of
ad
valorem,
tax,
givebacks
and
things
like
that.
So
that's
not
uncommon
to
see
CRA
sunsetting.
If
we're
lucky,
we
can
work
with
the
county
and
get
them
reenacted.
D
I've
been
with
the
firm
for
just
a
few
months,
but
speaking
with
my
colleagues
back
in
the
2010
era,
we
did
some
coordination
with
staff
on
the
height
analysis
and
also
partnered
with
them,
as
a
team
on
presenting
in
front
of
a
Planning
Association
Redevelopment
Association.
Regarding
the
density
and
the
myths
of
such
a
thing
and
me
in
a
previous
firm
I,
was
able
to
in
the
private
sector
a
lot
of
due
diligence
work
for
some
private
sector
clients
within
your
city
limits
here.
F
One
of
the
things
that's
very
important
here
is
I'm
citizen
involvement
and,
as
Jaime
pointed
out,
it's
good
to
see
you
Jaime
that
we
need
a
robust
involvement.
The
problem
I
that
we
have
on
the
the
timeline
is
it's
very
long,
and
so,
when
I
look
at
months,
it
perhaps
puts
the
charettes
in
the
middle
of
summer,
which
is
gonna
miss
season,
so
we
would
need
to
like
you
suggested
we're
flexible
all
right,
you
know,
move
all
that
up.
So
are
you
able
to
move
all
that
up?
F
B
Yeah
we're
absolutely
we've
already
identified
some
areas
where
we
can
compress
that
schedule.
Certainly
the
normal
lead-up
we
would
do
for
a
Charette
can
be
rolled
into
phase
one.
It
really
depends
on
how
comfortable
counsel
is
with
moving
forward,
having
not
seen
the
results
of
phase
of
the
first
phase
and
as
long
as
you're
comfortable
with
that,
we
are
absolutely
comfortable
with
that.
Well,.
F
We
already
know
how
much
feedback
we
get
from
residents
when
we
try
to
make
decisions,
just
normal
decisions
and
people.
You
know
like
to
say
why
would
you
make
a
decision
like
that
when
we're
away
and
we'd
like
to
say
well,
you
know
other
communities
don't
make
stop
making
decisions
when
you're
down
here,
but
that
I
think
in
this
case
it's
such
a
major
thing
that
we
need
to
make
sure
we
provide
that
opportunity.
F
The
other
one
is
you
mentioned
that
your
Charette
process
now
has
been
broken
down
into
two
phases
and
but
that's
something
new.
So
can
you
speak
to
you?
What's
the
advantage?
I
know
you
kind
of
talked
about
it,
but
why
did
you
decide
to
do
that
and
how
it
has
that
really
benefited
the
process?
Sure.
B
And
again,
we
are
flexible
so
if,
for
some
reason
that
doesn't
work
in
the
local
context,
we're
perfectly
happy
to
do
it
the
old-fashioned
way
and
we're
competent
to
do
that
as
well.
What
it
does
is,
it
enables
us
to
have
a
little
more
breathing
room
to
really
flesh
out
some
of
the
solutions
and
check
the
feasibility
of
them
before
we
ask
the
public
to
make
a
consensus
decision
around
those,
but
at
the
same
time
we've
been
very
successful
with
the
other
approach
too.
So
we're
open
to
both
options.
I'm,
not
saying
change.
G
As
far
as
the
timeline
goes,
I
think
it's
extremely
critical
that
we
that
we
funnel
as
much
as
possible
into
the
first
half
of
2019,
because
that's
going
to
be
the
key
time
when
everybody
is
going
to
be
available
to
participate,
we
know
and
Jaime
can
attest
from
2005
how
many
people
in
this
community
will
be
actively
involved
in
this
process.
So
I
think
it's
critical
and
I
certainly
would
like
to
see
that
timetable
moved
up
substantially.
I
think
that's
going
to
be
a
really
big
component
of
how
it's
how
successful
the
project
will
be.
G
We
certainly
would
love
to
have
the
expertise
of
any
of
the
firms
that
are
that
are
applying,
but
certainly
the
the
previous
expertise
from
Jaime,
knowing
what
goes
on
in
Punta
Gorda
would
be
helpful
to,
but,
but
certainly
if
there
is
a
way
that
you
could
condense
that
timeline
and
as
Nancy
alluded
to,
maybe
even
combining
that
Charette
process
and
maybe
even
having
it
back-to-back
rather
than
break.
You
know
breaking
it
out
in
two
totally
separate
sessions:
I
think
that
would
be
very
helpful
to
moving
things
forward,
a
little
quicker
sure.
B
We
can
absolutely
accelerate
that
I
think
I
said
to
Ken
pretty
sure
we
had
the
first
public
meeting
for
Dustin
before
the
ink
was
dry
on
the
contract,
so
that
was
probably
a
little
faster
than
we
would
have
liked
to
go.
I
think
we,
we
probably
had
our
we
were
having
this
session
in
in
what
would
be
2019,
so
we're
ahead
of
schedule.
F
Just
one
more
as
it
comes
to
speak
to
the
financial
analysis,
part
of
it
do
you
speak
to
that.
You
know
we
have
economic
downturns.
We
went
through
a
horrible
one
in
2008
and
there
were
a
lot
of
things
that
were
potentially
on
the
table
to
be
done
here
in
Punta
Gorda.
That
would
have
never
materialized
because
of
that.
So
how
do
we
address
that?
Because
everything
is
cyclical,
so
how
would
it?
How
do
you
address
that
in
your
recommendations,
yeah.
C
C
Yours
has
you
have
some
sort
of
natural
amenities
and
you
have
some
coastal
advantage
which
allows
property
values
to
grow,
but
there's
a
lot
of
internal
interior
counties
that
are
facing
terrible
economic
conditions
that
never
recovered
from
that,
and
then
you
know
they're
not
coming
back
and
they're
facing
more
problems
like
in
DeSoto
with
the
you
know,
downturn
and
citrus,
and
things
like
that.
So
yeah
economic
downturns
are
real.
What
we
don't
see
in
this
cycle
is
a
huge
run-up
in
pricing
and
real
estate
pricing.
C
What
we
don't
see
is
a
substantial
amount
of
overbuilding
and
so
yeah
there'll
be
a
downturn,
probably
in
the
next
two
to
four
years.
Interest
rates
are
on
the
way
up,
there's
a
lot
of
global
economic
uncertainty.
Those
things
are
factored
into
absorption
and
demand
outlook,
but
we
don't
see
the
kind
of
irrational
exuberance
in
this
cycle
that
we
saw
in
2007
and
so
yeah
we'll
see
a
downturn,
but
we
probably
won't
see
a
plummeting.
You
know
on
the
order
of
60%
in
residential
prices,
which
is
what
we
saw
in
2007.
C
We
won't
see
90
percent
decline
in
residential
building
permits,
because
there's
still
a
lot
of
demand,
that's
out
there.
So
yeah
there'll
be
a
demand
downturn.
It
won't
be
as
bad
as
2007
and
and
it's
the
kind
of
thing
that
that
does
affect
revenue
forecasts
and
how
we
implement.
So
you
know
normally
in
the
economics
world,
we
don't
forecast
the
end
of
the
world.
If
we
had
forecasts
the
end
of
the
world
in
2007,
we'd
have
been
better
off
because
that
would
have
been
correct.
A
Along
that
line
too,
it's
interesting
to
note,
because
many
people
have
said
that
after
Hurricane
Charley,
there
was
a
surplus
of
insurance
funds
that
went
to
a
lot
of
the
development
that
you
see
now.
So
that
was
another
little
anomaly
that
the
the
city
went
through.
One
more
question:
I
wanted
to
know
how
many
projects
has
Jaime
worked
with
Cannon
and
what
cities
were
those
projects
and.