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San Bruno City Council Meeting April 28, 2020
7a. Title 5 (Nuisances) of Municipal Code
A
B
C
All
right
again,
everybody
see
the
presentation
and
hear
me:
I
can
yep
looks
good.
Yes,
yes,
all
right!
So
tonight
we're
going
to
take
a
couple
of
minutes
and
look
through
title
five,
which
is
part
of
the
city's
municipal
code
revision
process
and
our
agenda
tonight
is
we're
going
to
go
over
just
a
bit
of
a
background,
we're
going
to
discuss
the
policy
issues
around
title
five
and
request
some
direction
from
all
of
you
and
then
go
over
next
steps.
C
So
here's
the
background
you've
seen
this
before
for
our
prior
municipal
code
amendments,
and
so
we
started
this
process
in
late
2018
and
the
primary
focus
for
the
City
Council
was
to
review
these
chapters
of
the
municipal
code
for
internal
consistency
and
to
make
sure
they
are
consistent
with
current
law
and
in
addition
to
that,
the
City
Council
has
also
had
a
policy
discussion
for
those
required
revisions
about
a
number
of
provisions
in
each
of
those
chapters.
So,
for
example,
in
October
of
2018,
we
looked
at
a
titled
1
in
title
2.
C
C
So
then
in
November
the
City
Council
adopted
revisions
to
title
1
and
title
2,
and
then
in
July
there
was
a
discussion
of
title
2
and
the
rest
of
title
3
again
with
some
policy
direction
on
a
couple
of
key
items
and
then,
finally,
most
recently
last
month
you
adopted
revisions
to
title
4
licenses
and
regulations
and
again
also
there.
There
were
a
number
of
policy
revisions
for
consistency
with
state
law
and
issues,
for
example
such
as
vending
in
city
parks.
C
So
that's
where
we've
been-
and
this
slide
shows
where
we're
going
tonight
and
in
the
next
couple
of
meetings.
So
title
five
has
eight
chapters
and
the
title
of
the
title
is
nuisances.
So
this
is
an
important
chapter
and
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we
go
through
any
and
all
of
your
questions
that
you
have
about
it
before
we
bring
it
back.
C
So
these
eight
chapters
have
to
do
with
what's
a
nuisance,
talking
about
enforcement
and
then
talking
about
particular
kinds
of
nuisances
like
weeds,
graffiti
unruly
gatherings,
alcoholic
beverage,
sales
for
businesses
that
have
already
been
approved,
maintenance
of
distressed
properties
and
then
finally,
registration
or
foreclosed
and
abandoned
properties.
So
all
of
these
things
are
part
of
title
five,
which
is
what
the
city
does
to
regulate.
Basically,
the
look
and
feel
of
the
community.
C
We
want
to
look
to
make
sure
that
this
section
is
consistent
with
the
newly
amended
zoning
ordinance
regarding
parking,
so
we'll
spend
a
few
minutes
talking
about
that,
want
to
make
sure
that
we
take
a
pause
to
discuss
any
other
desired
amendments
about
parking,
and
this
is
by
the
way
on
private
property.
Not
on
public
property,
because
that's
what
nuisances
are
addressing
on
public
excuse
me
private
property
and
then
finally,
we
want
to
take
some
time
to
discuss
any
new
provisions
about
other
topics
that
maybe
are
currently
covered
in
in
the
chapter.
C
So
let's
take
just
a
minute
and
review
the
chapters
where
we're
proposing
only
minor
amendments.
There
are
some
of
those
in
5.08
which
is
enforcement,
nuisance
abatement
and
cost
recovery.
There
are
some
in
5.16
regarding
graffiti
and
some
in
5.22
regarding
alcoholic
beverage,
sales
and
all
of
those
are
addressed
in
more
detail
in
the
staff
report.
I'm
not
going
to
go
over
them
in
detail
right
now,
but
I'd
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions
about
if
we
go
back
to
nuisances
in
general
and
I.
Think
it's
important
this.
C
This
was
in
the
staff
report,
but
I
want
to
display
the
entire
portion
of
the
staff
report,
because
I
think
it's
important
for
the
City
Council
and
the
public
to
understand
that
title
five
has
really
been
has
really
been
proven,
proved
to
be
both
comprehensive
and
sufficient
to
address
by
code.
Many,
if
not
virtually
all,
of
the
code
enforcement
issues
in
the
city,
if
somebody
might
say
well,
that's
surprising,
because
we
still
have
code
enforcement
issues
in
the
city.
How
can
that
possibly
be?
C
And
the
answer
is
because
difficult
code
enforcement
cases
are
usually
not
the
result
of
inadequate
ordinances.
We
are
going
to
talk
about
some
potential
changes
to
the
ordinance
tonight,
but
for
the
most
part
you'll
see
if
you
read
through
the
ordinance
carefully,
as
both
the
staff
did
in
our
preparation
is
and
as
I
did
as
well,
that
most
of
the
nuisance
conditions
are
covered
in
the
ordinance.
C
Why
is
code
enforcement
often
so
difficult?
And
there
are
a
few
reasons
for
that.
The
first
thing
is
to
understand
the
distinction
between
a
public
and
a
private
nuisance
and
I
have
that
definition
in
the
staff
report
and
I
just
want
to
indicate
that
a
city
and
in
its
nuisance
ordinance
that's
designed
to
address
public
nuisances.
Private
nuisances
are
those
things
that
might
affect
one
neighbor
to
another,
but
don't
affect
the
entire
neighborhood
or
the
entire
community.
That's
the
definition
in
the
civil
code:
that's
section
34
80,
so
for
public
nuisance
you
need
the
neighborhood.
C
You
need
a
considerable
number
of
persons.
That's
what
so
that's
different
than
a
private
nuisance,
which
might
be
one
neighbor
might
be
complaining
about
what
another
neighbor
is
doing
on
their
property.
There
might
be
somebody
who's,
you
know
passing
through
the
neighborhood
and
might
see
something
that
they
might
consider
to
be
a
nuisance
to
them,
but
the
neighborhood
isn't
complaining
about
it.
So
that's
the
distinction
and
generally
what
the
city
allocates
its
resources
to
are
dealing
with
public
nuisances,
because
that's
what
taxpayer
dollars
should
go
to
is
address
public
nuisances,
not
private
disputes
between
individuals.
C
Another
reason
why
code
enforcement
is
often
challenging
is
because
some
of
the
violations
that
are
most
difficult
or
transitory,
so
these
are
things
that
the
person
might
be
complaining
about
it
and
it
might
be
a
valid
complaint.
But
then,
by
the
time
the
code
enforcement
officer
shows
up
it's
not
there
anymore.
C
So
those
are
those
are
difficult
to
deal
with,
because
in
order
to
prosecute
a
code
enforcement
case,
the
staff
has
to
personally
either
observer
from
the
violation,
and
you
would
see
that
if,
if
we
took
the
residents
word
for
it-
which
of
course
we
believe
them.
But
if
that's
all
we
had
that's,
that's
not
really
gonna
hold
up
in
a
court
to
justify
a
city
sanction
against
somebody
where
the
only
testimony
is.
Somebody
else
says
that
they
heard
or
saw
it.
C
Another
reason
why
code
enforcement
is
sometimes
difficult
is
violations
might
be
hard
to
confirm.
So
a
good
example
of
this
is
individuals
who
might
be
operating
a
business
out
of
their
home,
either
without
a
business
license
or
without
a
permit
from
the
Community
Development
Department.
The
only
way
to
confirm
that
is
to
go
into
the
house,
get
consent
to
do
that
and
basically
search
the
premises
for
evidence
of
a
business.
C
So
those
are
very
difficult
violations
to
contribute,
and
then
finally-
and
this
is
I-
think
what
occurs
most
often
is
residents
who
are
engaging
in
behavior
that
might
violate
our
code
can
be
resistant
and
they
can
be
resistant
to
changing
their
behavior.
Even
if
there's
a
sanction
imposed
like
a
fine
and
often
irrespective
of
what
the
amount
of
a
fine
is.
So
why
is
that?
Why
don't
most
people
just
follow
the
rules,
and
one
reason
is
that
there
might
be
circumstances
outside
of
their
control,
that
they
can't
do
anything
about.
C
Another
reason
is
there
might
be
a
dispute
between
neighbors
that
kind
of
underlies
the
issue?
It's
not
really
the
nuisance,
but
it's
something
else,
and
so,
if
you
don't
resolve
that
underlying
issue,
you're
not
going
to
ever
resolve
the
beep
sighs
another
common
reason
why
these
things
are
difficult
to
rectify.
Is
it's
expensive.
So,
for
example,
if
you're
telling
somebody
they
have
to
take
down,
you
know
half
of
their
house
or
they
have
to
take
down
a
shed.
C
They
built
that
they're,
storing
their
tools,
and
these
are
expenses
that
the
property
owner
will
will
want
to
avoid,
incurring
and
then
finally
related
to
that
there's
some
advantage
to
the
property
owner
to
retaining
the
condition.
Sometimes
it's
an
economic
advantage,
but
sometimes
there
are
other
advantages
that
are
non-economic,
and
so
these
are
things,
for
example,
where
a
property
owner
we
had
a
code
enforcement
case
many
some
years
ago
in
which
there
was
a
the
property,
was
very
distressed.
C
The
property
owner
didn't
do
anything
about
the
property,
but
we
found
out
the
reason
was
there
was
a
disturbing
event
that
occurred
in
the
property
to
the
property
owner
and
they
really
couldn't
go
back
there,
so
they
just
let
it
fall
into
disrepair.
So
once
we
found
that
out,
we
were
able
to
work
with
property
owner
to
list
the
property,
and
it
was
eventually
rectified.
So
those
these
are
all
reasons
why
some
code
enforcement
cases
are
difficult.
C
So,
with
that
background,
what
did
we
do
before?
Embarking
on
a
revision
proposed
revision
of
chapter
5?
Well,
the
first
stop
was
the
Community
Development
Department
in
requesting
staff
input
and
what
we
asked
ass
is
what's
missing
from
the
code.
What
do
you
wish
you
had
in
the
code
to
deal
with
nuisance
conditions
that
you
have
seen
out
in
the
field
where
you
would
say
to
yourself
gosh?
If
only
the
code
said
X,
then
we
could
address
this.
That
was
the
question
we
asked
staff.
So
staff
came
up
with
a
couple
of
things.
C
Surprisingly,
not
very
many.
That
was
interesting.
I
thought.
Maybe
there
might
be
more,
but
there
weren't
there
were
only
a
few,
and
the
first
thing
they
mentioned
was
parking
and
I
think
this
is
an
interest
of
the
community
and
an
interest
of
the
City
Council.
So
let's
spend
a
couple
of
minutes
talking
about
how
the
issues
are
surrounding
parking
are
relating
to
title
12.
C
So
here's
the
challenge
with
parking
and
parking
on
private
property
and
I
usually
don't
like
to
read
my
slides.
But
let
me
read
this
one,
because
I
think
this
is
important
that
we
all
are
on
the
same
footing.
Well,
the
challenge
with
parking
on
private
property
is
that
in
some
neighborhoods,
the
built
environment
is
really
not
adequate
to
accommodate
the
number
and
types
of
operable
and
inoperable
vehicles
that
residents
own
and
operate
in
those
neighborhoods.
C
That's
what
a
number
of
years
of
research
and
data
and
analysis
has
uncovered
and
that's
a
very
difficult
problem
for
cities
to
solve,
because
we
can't
really
change
the
built
environment
very
easily
and
we
can't
make
residents
change
the
built
environment.
Well,
so
that's
our
challenge
with
with
parking
and
I
think
once
articulated
I
think
well,
we'll
all
realize
that
this
really
satisfies
all
of
the
criteria.
C
In
the
last
slide
for
a
difficult
code
enforcement
matter,
you
know,
there's
an
advantage
to
the
property
owner
to
having
the
cars
parked
on
his
or
her
property,
it's
expensive
to
either
register
them
or
to
get
rid
of
them
or
to
store
them
somewhere.
There's
a
reasons
why
they
want
to
have
the
car
close
by
they
don't
want
to
have
it
far
away
might
be
circumstances
outside
of
their
control.
C
For
example,
they
might
be
living
with
the
number
of
people
in
the
household,
and
so
therefore
those
people
might
have
vehicles,
so
there's
all
kinds
of
things
that
make
parking
on
or
dealing
with
parking
on
private
property
of
a
real
challenge.
So
what
has
the
city
done
in
response
to
community
interest
in
parking?
Well,
they've
done
three
things.
The
first
thing
the
city
council
did.
C
Let's
have
the
neighborhood
agree
if
they
wish
to
have
a
permit
parking
program
to
limit
the
number
of
bars
that
are
parked
in
on
the
public
street,
so
that
that
way,
when
you
come
home
from
work
or
in
the
evening
or
whatever
or
come
home
in
the
morning,
you
have
a
place
to
park,
or
at
least
a
larger
opportunity
to
find
a
place
to
park.
So
that
was
the
first
thing
that
the
City
Council
did
in
response
to
community
interest.
C
So
that
was
done
for
a
period
of
time
and
then
the
final
thing
the
City
Council
just
recently
did-
is
they
adopted
new
zoning
regulations
that
allow
or
incentivize
or
make
easier
the
creation
of
additional
off
street
parking
on
non-conforming
private
property?
What
does
that
mean?
What
that
means?
Is
that
if
you
have
a
property
that
has
a
substandard
garage
or
maybe
only
a
one
car
garage,
and
maybe
the
car
doesn't
even
fit
in
the
garage
or
a
driveway
that
is
substandard?
It's
not
long
enough,
so
you
can
hardly
park
a
car
in
it.
C
C
Now.
It's
important
to
note
that
the
purpose
of
the
zoning
code
is
really
to
address
required
parking
for
residential
uses.
The
zoning
code
is
which
is
chapter
12
title
12
is
not
a
mechanism
to
determine
whether
we
should
or
shouldn't
have
certain
kinds
of
vehicles
or
certain
kinds
of
personal
property,
or
whether
it's
a
public
nuisance
to
display
those
things
on
private
property,
all
the
zoning
code.
C
Does
it
says
if
you
have
a
private
property,
you
have
to
have
a
certain
amount
of
required
parking
and
in
cases
where
your
neighborhood
is
impacted
or
your
property
is
impacted.
The
city
is
going
to
make
it
easier
for
you
to
park
vehicles
of
whatever
type
they
might
be
on
your
property,
so
that
they
can
be
gotten
off
the
street.
That
was
the
reason
for
the
zoning.
C
Conversely,
title
5,
which
is
what
we're
dealing
with
tonight
sorry
only
addresses
conditions
that
are
a
public
nuisance.
So
title
5
doesn't
talk
about
if
you
own
a
single-family
home
how
many
off
street
parking
spaces.
Do
you
need
what
title
5
talks
about
is,
if
you
own
a
single-family
home,
really
don't
want
you
to
be
putting
ugly
things
out
on
the
driveway.
So
let's
talk
about
what
those
things
are
under
the
current
definition
in
title
5.
C
So
under
are
the
zoning
code
that
the
City
Council
just
adopted,
what's
allowed
I'm
going
to
display
a
couple
of
these
things
at
the
same
time,
so
under
the
zoning
code
for
your
required
parking,
you
can
park
a
motor
vehicle,
an
operable
motor
vehicle
on
a
garage
apron.
So
that's
the
section
in
front
of
the
garage,
a
driveway
or
in
an
adjacent
side
yard
with
certain
conditions.
C
So,
for
example,
in
your
driveway,
you
can
have
a
motor
vehicle
like
a
Honda,
Civic
and
then
right
next
to
it,
you
can
have
a
trailer
with
a
with
a
camper
on
it,
for
example,
and
the
reason
for
for
this
rule
is
because
the
city
has
determined
that
we'd
rather
have
your
trailer
with
the
camper
on
it
on
your
private
property,
as
opposed
to
on
the
street,
taking
up
one
and
a
half
or
two
parking
spaces
regarding
inoperable
vehicles.
The
zoning
code
is
pretty
clear.
C
It
says
you
can't
park
them
in
the
visible
front
or
side
yards,
so
no
inoperable
vehicles
if
they're
visible
in
the
front
and
side
yards
all
right.
What
is
title
5
in
comparison,
allow
all
right
well,
operable
vehicles,
you
can
park
a
boat,
a
trailer,
a
camper
or
an
RV.
Only
one
of
those
things
in
the
garage.
That's
fine!
We
don't
care
what
you
park
in
your
garage,
particularly
because
you
can't
see
it
or
on
a
city
approved
driveway.
C
What
is
title
five
say
about
inoperable
vehicles?
Well
again,
similarly
to
the
zoning
code,
if
they're
in
your
front
or
side
yard,
we
don't
want
to
see
them,
they
have
to
be
either
screened
or
otherwise
allowed
by
the
zoning
code.
Well,
they're
not
allowed
in
the
zoning
code.
So
there
you
are
so
again
both
the
amended
zoning
code
that
the
City
Council
adopted
recently
and
the
current
version
of
title
five
are
pretty
consistent.
C
Sorry
have
to
flip
my
screen
over
here,
campers
or
RVs.
You
can
have
one
of
those
well,
it's
within
the
city
council's
policy
discretion
to
change
that.
If
they
want
to,
they
could
say
you
could
have
none
of
those.
You
can't
park
any
of
those
on
private
property
or
they
could
say
you
know
what
you
can
park,
two
of
them
on
private
property
or
more
because
if
you
don't
let
you
park
two
on
private
property.
Well,
you're
gonna
park
it
on
the
street
and
that
might
be
an
issue.
C
The
second
policy
question
is
you
could
decide
that
the
prohibitions
for
inoperable
vehicles
aren't
quite
strong
enough
and
you
could
say
you
know
what
we
don't
like
the
look
of
these
inoperable
vehicles
and
we
like
them
so
little
that
we
don't
want
any
of
them
park
anywhere
on
your
property,
where
it's
visible,
even
if
it's
screened.
So
even
if
you
have
a
fence
around
it
or
it's
behind
a
gate
in
your
side
yard.
C
If
you
can
see
that,
whether
you
can
see
it
or
not,
we
don't
want
you
to
park
it
on
your
property,
so
immediately,
you'll
notice
that
we
have
a
difficulty
with
enforcement
on
that,
because
if
somebody
decides
to
violate
that
code,
which
they
very
well
might,
then
a
warrant
might
be
required
to
get
into
private
property
if
it's
covered.
So
that
would
be
a
very
difficult
thing
to
prohibit.
C
So
those
are
the
the
possible
the
really
the
two
issues
that
came
up
when
we
were
reviewing
the
code
is
two
possible
changes.
The
City
Council
could
make
either
change
the
number
of
allowed
boats,
trailers,
campers
or
RVs
from
1
to
something
different
or
prohibit
any
inoperable
vehicle
parking,
but
again
there's
some
enforcement
problems
with
that.
C
So
related
to
this
and
sort
of
the
final
topic
in
parking
has
to
do
with
the
question
of
we'll
just
call
them
tarps
or
coverings,
and
this
has
come
up
on
a
number
of
occasions.
So
the
question
is
to
cover
or
not
to
cover
and
the
reason
why
that's
a
question
is
because
the
city
actually
can't
uncover
vehicles
on
parking
property
without
a
warrant
to
determine
just
if
they're
operable
or
if
they
have
a
current
registration.
C
So
that's
that's
the
conundrum
and
I
suppose
it's
possible
that
people
in
the
community
may
have
differing
views
about
what's
less
attractive.
Some
people
might
say:
well,
you
know
if
you
have
that
old
inoperable
car
that
you've
always
been
waiting
to
work
on.
Frankly,
it's
a
good-looking
car
I'd,
rather
look
at
that
than
a
tarp,
but
other
folks
might
have
the
opposite
opinion.
They
might
rather
see
look
at
a
tarp.
Then
then
you're
old
inoperable
jalopy
that
you're
never
going
to
get
to.
C
So
that
concludes
the
parking
topics
that
we
think
are
worthy
of
some
discussion
under
the
title,
5
of
the
code
that
there
are
just
a
couple
of
other
things
that
you
might
want
to
consider.
One
of
the
suggestions
that
our
staff
made,
which
we
thought
was
a
great
idea-
is
to
prohibit
feeding
of
wild
animals,
and
this
has
become
a
public
nuisance
in
some
areas,
especially
the
downtown
where
you
have
individuals
that
may
be
associated
with
some
businesses
feeding
pigeons
and
they
create
a
public
nuisance.
C
So
that's
something
that
that
I
think
the
council
should
definitely
consider
exploring
the
other
thing
that
staff
recommended
both
building
department
and
code
enforcement
is
some
wording,
amendments
throughout
the
code
to
conform
with
state
law
and
those
are
reflected
in
the
draft.
That's
attached
to
your
staff
report
and
unless
you
have
questions
about
them,
I'm
not
going
to
go
over
them
in
detail
right
now.
C
So
what
are
the
next
steps?
Is
we're
looking
for
some
direction
and
particularly
on
those
two
issues
parking
in
and
tarps,
and
then
we
would
be
ready
to
introduce
and
adopt
amendments
at
a
subsequent
meeting,
and
the
schedule
at
the
moment
anyway
remains
on
track
to
complete
all
11
chapters,
hopefully
by
2021.
If
we
complete
chapter
5
in
the
next,
you
know
a
month
or
two
we'll
be
will
be
a
little
less
than
half
done,
and
the
the
other
chapters
should
should
come
in
due
course.
A
You
Mark
for
the
presentation
and
for
the
public
as
well.
It's
also
that
one
of
the
things
the
council
at
asking
City
Attorney,
who
was
going
through
each
of
the
chapters
in
the
Municipal
Code
and
again
reviewing
them,
bringing
it
up
to
date,
making
sure
they're
consistent
with
the
other
chapters,
and
so
they
all
they
all
flow
in
or
in
sync,
and
appreciate
that
do
we
have
any
questions
of
marks
on
specifics
to
his
this
presentation
that
he
gave
hands
up
there.
A
B
I
just
have
I
have
a
question
and
I
guess
you
didn't
even
do
public
comment,
I
guess
my
question
mark
is
I.
Guess
it
would
have.
It
would
have
helped
to
have
numbers
so
I
appreciate
you
bringing
this
to
us
because
I
know
it's
been
an
issue
that
has
come
up,
but
one
thing
I
don't
know
is
how
many
complaints
you
get
about
each
area.
C
All
right
we're
having
an
audio
difficulty,
that's
a
good
question
I,
so
I
don't
actually
get
any
complaints.
Those
complaints
all
go
to
the
code
enforcement
department
and
they're
they're
tracked
and
logged,
so
I
don't
have
an
answer
to
that,
but
it
it
was
apparently
enough
of
them
or
complaints
were
sufficiently
persistent
that
the
code
enforcement
officers
sort
of
put
this
at
on
their
list
as
something
that
they're.
You
know
that
they
occasionally
or
at
least
more
than
occasionally
encounter.
C
C
What
I
can
tell
you
is
that
past
years,
before
City,
actually
I
had
heard
that
there
was
an
effort
to
reduce
or
eliminate
the
number
of
RVs
art
on
private
property,
and
that
was
met
with
I
will
just
say
a
great
deal
Costin
some
of
the
council
members.
May
you
know,
that's
probably
the
reason
why
Idol
5
says
you
can
have
one
okay.
B
C
City
Council
tonight
and
then
at
the
next
meeting
we
would
bring
the
ordinance
back
for
introduction.
Yes,
look
in
the
City
Council
to
comment
on
the
ordinance
and
then,
if
there
are
comments,
we
could
bring
it
back
again.
If
there
are
major
revisions
or
revisions.
Those
revisions
can
be
made.
You
know
at
the
time
and
it
can
factor
an
option.
There's
two
more
meetings
to
answer
your
question:
okay,.
B
A
I
thought
is
ring.
We
do
any
quick
questions
I'm,
seeing
that
we
do
have
one
member
of
the
public
that
wishes
to
speak.
So
you
know
I'm
free
to
do
it.
If
we
want,
we
can
take
the
member
of
the
public.
If
that's
okay
and
then
we
can
come
back
to
us
and
then
Linda
I
can
start
back
with
you
and
then
we'll
just
go
down
the
list.
Is
that
all
right
perfect?
A
Thank
you?
Okay,
all
right,
so
I'm
seeing
one
hand
up
and
I'm
seeing
mr.
Steven,
Seymour
yeah
I
think
you
can
go
ahead,
I
think
you're
unmuted
and
once
you
give
it
a
test,
even
here
yet
I'm.
Can
you
hear
me
we
can
hear
you
perfectly
just
get
Melissa
to
get
ready
and
when
you're
ready
go
ahead.
Sir,
that's.
E
E
We
have
all
sorts
of
other
medication
issues
that
we
could
take
into
consideration
and
that
is
through
the
permitting
process.
Unfortunately,
the
permitting
process
that
we
have
right
now
is
very
cumbersome,
but
there
are
many
city
is
who
have
permitting
processes
that
would
allow
us
to
ensure
that
people
don't
basically
collect
cars.
I
mean
the
only
reason
people
would
have
to
park
in
their
front
lawn
is
to
collect
fire
in
any
city.
E
That
wants
to
decide
to
say
that
it's
okay
in
there
city,
ordinance
to
park
cars
on
their
front
lawn,
is
a
city
that
I
don't
know.
I'm
really
concerned
with
I
have
to
live
in
that
city,
whose,
if,
if
I
understand
this
correctly,
is
considering
that
option
and
I,
don't
think
that's
an
option
that
we
can
consider.
I
think
that
San
Bruno
lends
itself
to
a
city
that
should
be
basically
put
higher
on
a
pedestal
or
right.
E
E
It
doesn't
seem
right
and
if
you
can
do
it
down
here
for
those
of
you
who
are
up
on
the
hill,
if
you
can
do
it
down
here,
if
we
make
this
something,
that's
okay
and
it
alleviates
some
of
the
pressure
on
on
I
hate
to
say
this,
because
I
don't
like
to
divide
the
city.
I
think
that
and
I'm
not
trying
to
divide
the
city.
I
think
that
we
are
living
in
different
neighborhoods
in
our
neighborhood
on
the
east
side
is
more
congested,
then
on
the
west
side.
E
But
if
it
can
happen
here,
then
it
can
happen
all
throughout
the
city
and
I.
Don't
think
that's
something
that
we
want
in
San
Bruno
and
if
we
have
staff
and
legal
who
are
trying
to
push
this
through
I
think
you
can.
You
should
consider
whether
or
not
they
should
be
the
staff
and
legal
that
you
hold
and
have
because
there
are
others
who
would
protect
our
communities
and
I
know
that
my
wife
wants
to
talk.
So
maybe
we
could
reset
the
clock.
A
B
F
F
So
you
know
it
should
only
be
considered
if
it's
within
the
neighborhood
well,
a
lot
of
people
are
very,
very
uncomfortable
to
call
on
their
neighbors,
so
what
they
do,
they
call
someone
else
from
outside
the
neighborhood
and
have
them
call
in
because
unfortunately,
too
often,
we've
heard
the
code
enforcement
might
have
told
them
who
called
being
their
neighbors
and
they
stopped
calling
10
20
30
years
ago,
they're,
just
they
don't
feel
safe
about
it.
So
that's
one
thing
to
consider
another
to
consider
is
the
only
reason
we're
here.
F
Thinking
about
parking
on
lawns
is
because
we
haven't
been
consistent.
We
have
not
been
consistent
in
enforcing
the
rules
and
I.
Just
really
think
we
could
do
a
lot
better
and
when
it
comes
down
to
it,
I
have
a
small
driveway.
So
you
know
I
have
the
luxury
of
being
able
to
get
a
car
that
fits
within
that
and
we
went
down
from
two
cars
to
one.
F
I
think
that's
where
the
burden
is
it's
on
me
to
follow
the
regulations,
and
you
know
if
I
was
holding
on
to
somebody's
junker
for
20
years,
I
I
think
the
city
should
have
the
right
to
say
you
know
what
you're
bringing
this
neighborhood
down
and
also
in
the
long
run.
We
don't
know
what
tomorrow
holds,
but
if
people
are
parking
on
their
lawns,
my
house
value
is
gonna.
Go
down
as
it
is,
we've
already
confirmed
earlier
today
that
we're
at
the
bottom
of
the
list,
forgetting
our
street
specs.
So
we
have
broken
down
streets.
F
We
have
cars
blocking
sidewalks,
you
add
a
car
to
lawns.
I,
don't
know
if,
if
this
is
a
place,
I
would
want
to
consider
living
in.
Possibly
it's
just
the
standard
keeps
dropping
instead
of
trying
to
keep
it
up
and
plan
and
be
proactive,
look,
the
bar
gets
lower
and
lower,
and
we
can
do
a
hell
of
a
lot
better
than
the
best.
Thank
you.
F
So
that
is
a
big,
very
big
concern
and
plus
you
know,
and
then
Huntington
Avenue
between
will
say
Florida
and
Sam
Phillippe.
There
are
people
like
to
park
their
boats
there
and
let
them
sit
there
for
four
weeks
for
months
and
there's
no
enforcement
on
that
at
all.
Unless
somebody
calls
it
in
so
I
like
to
see
and
that's
impacting
the
the
neighborhood
to
everybody
uses
that
that
area
to
park
that
lives
on
that
strip
of
the
road.
F
So
I
would
like
to
see
that
you
know
cleaned
up
and
enforced
and
and
also
to
reiterate
blocking
the
sidewalks,
and
that
is
a
big
issue
regarding
you
know.
Blocked
inside
work
for
pedestrians
have
the
right
away.
That's
what
the
sidewalks
are
made
for
people
you
know
have
in
strollers
have
difficulties
getting
around
it's
a
safety
issue.
They
have
to
go
into
the
street
to
get
around
the
vehicle,
so.
F
A
You
Tim
I'm,
seeing
no
other
hands
lissa
city
clerk
sees
something
I.
Don't
then
we're
going
to
go
ahead
and
end
any
public
comment
and
bring
it
back
to
Council
as
we
bring
it
back
to
council
I
want
to
they
just
want
to
clarify
for
all
of
us
is
that
in
reading
the
staff
report
I
did
not
see
or
unless
I
overlooked
it.
A
My
colleagues
can
correct
me
that
it
was
proposing
for
somebody
to
park
on
their
lawn
in
the
front,
so
I'm
gonna
ask
the
city
attorney
to
and
I'm
sorry
colleagues
I,
just
kind
of
want
to
ant
address
that,
because
that's
not
what
I
kind
of
was
reading
so
I
want
to
make
that
clear.
I
also
want
to
make
clear
the
process.
A
This
process
is
for
guidance,
and
this
process
is
for
feedback
from
Council,
so
our
legal
counsel
or
our
city
manager
does
not
make
policy
the
council
does,
but
they
do
have
to
bring
it
to
us
after
getting
staffs
input
and
give
us
what
they
know
and
we
give
them
direction
to
how
we
want
to
see
it
molded
so
to
to
feel
that
somebody
is
pushing
their
their
desire
on
us.
I.
A
C
Mr.
mayor,
thank
you
so
gosh
I
sure
hope,
I
didn't
give
anybody
the
impression
that
either
the
staff
report
or
the
presentation
or
the
PowerPoint
or
anything
that
staff
is
suggesting
suggests
that
people
can
park
their
cars
on
the
lawn.
The
answer
is
that
they
can't
do
that
now
and
there's
nothing
in
the
proposed
changes
to
the
ordinance
that
they
would
be
able
to
do.
C
G
G
It
is
not
a
buy
right.
It
still
has
to
go
through
a
discretionary
approval
process
through
staff,
and
so
certainly
all
of
the
aesthetic
concerns
that
I
think
are
inherent
with
additional
parking
on
private
property.
In
the
front
of
the
house
will
certainly
be
looked
at
when
those
requests
are
made.
I
think
the
other
thing
that
I
want
to
say
as
a
follow-up
to
Mark's
presentation
is
that
the
City
Council
is
aware
of
that.
We
are
looking
into
code
enforcement
and
ways
to
improve
our
code
enforcement.
G
And
there
may
be
additional
recommendations
that
may
very
well
involve
changes
to
the
cold
or
it
may
simply
involve
changes
to
how
we
perform
code
enforcement,
and
so
I
just
want
council
to
know
that.
And
that
really
wasn't
the
thrust
of
tonight's
conversation,
that
the
thrust
of
tonight's
conversation
was
to
keep
with
this
process
of
going
systematically
through
the
Municipal
Code
and
make
adjustments
for
consistency
and
get
feedback
from
Council.
On
anything
that
you
feel
that
we
should
be
looking
at.
A
Okay
appreciate
those
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
that
a
council
understands
because
I
don't
want
anyone
to
get
that
impression
that
the
standard
is
dropping
and
that's
we
want
people
to
park
on
their
lawn,
so
I,
don't
think
that's
what
staffs
in
scene
way
I,
don't
believe
the
council
but
wants
to
see
that
either.
So
with
that
Linda
did
we
want
to
go
back?
Did
you
want
me
to
go
back
to
you?
Would
you
like
me
just
to
go
around
I
can
hit
on
everyone
whatever
you
wish?
Oh.
A
H
H
I
think
the
uncertainty
a
little
bit
of
the
confusion
there
for
the
long
parking
we,
the
council
did
approve
the
allowance
of
yard
parking,
and
that
was
all
shown
with
pictures.
So
so
maybe
on
the
next
phase
that
we
could
bring
some
photos
in
that
showed
what
that
additional
parking
area
would
would
include.
H
H
I'm
fine
with
it
remaining
the
same
I
think
I've
seen
there's
more
of
a
problem
with
inoperable
vehicles
than
that
in
quantity,
then
more
than
one
camper
and
there's
no
need
to
change
that
I'm.
Happy
with
that.
Mr.
mayor,
do
you
want
me
to
continue
going
through
the
list
or
we
want
each
person
to
kind
of
shot
at
each
item?
Mark.
A
H
You
sure
it
wasn't
noted
this
question
I
do
have
is
the
tiny
up
on
vacant
properties.
There
are
a
number
of
them
that
have
remained
in
a
certain
degraded
State
I'm,
looking
at
I,
believe
it'll
be
codes,
5:24
and
526
to
have
those
kind
of
match
each
other
a
little
bit
better.
I
remember
when
a
lot
of
properties
were
being
foreclosed
and
the
code
enforcement
department
had
to
arrange
a
an
agreement
with
the
property
owner
to
to
have
somebody
maintain
those
properties.
H
If
I'm,
correct,
I
think
that's
something
that
we
should
be
doing
with
these
vacant
properties
that
are
in
high
visible
areas
on
El
Camino,
where
the
weeds
just
get
to
be
super
high,
and
then
eventually
somebody
has
to
go
out
there
and
code
enforcement
gizmo
notice,
and
they
they
cut
it.
But
it's
those
vacant
property
should
be
on
a
maintenance
program
that
was
similar
to
the
abandoned
properties
for
for
the
foreclosures
to.
H
They
should
be
out
of
view
entirely
and
those
vehicles
that
need
to
put
a
tarp
on
for
a
temporary
basis,
that's
understandable,
but
to
leave
a
vehicle
in
a
driveway
with
the
tarp
on
and
now
we
can't
tell
if
it's
if
it's
actually
operable
I
think
maybe
perhaps
the
solution
there
is
to
have
the
license
plate
displayed
with
that
type
of
tarp,
so
that
it
could
be
determined
that
that
vehicle
is
operable
or
inoperable
without
having
to
get
a
search
warrant.
My
last
question:
our
clarification
is
for
feeding
of
wild
animals.
C
H
There
are
a
number
of
people
that
actually
try
to
save
these
cats.
I
have
a
bigger
heart
for
the
kitties
than
for
the
pigeons,
so
I
think
getting
some
feedback
and
there's
a
couple
groups
that
could
be
contacted.
That
can
give
you
actually
what
they're
trying
to
do
I
think
they're
also
trying
to
catch
them
and
and
trying
to
find
homes
for
them.
So
one
way
to
get
to
get
them
to
you
is
to
actually
feed
them.
H
B
C
B
I
think
if
we
can
get
that
and
then
the
numbers
I
mentioned
earlier
around
the
campers
and
like
how
big
of
a
problem
is,
is
that
would
be
great
since
we're
approving
all
of
five
I
wanted
to
go
to
page
94
in
the
packet?
It's
section
five
point:
zero.
Eight
point:
zero,
four:
zero,
the
administrative
fine.
It
says
that
the
amounts
of
the
fine
imposed
pursuant
to
this
article
shall
be
set
forth
in
a
schedule.
Fines
established
by
resolution
of
the
City
Council.
B
C
Good
question,
so
those
are
part
of
the
master
fee
schedule
which
the
City
Council
does
approve
each
year
and
I
think
the
the
amounts
are
hundred
two
hundred
and
five
hundred,
although
I'm
not
a
hundred
percent
sure
of
that
so
five
hundred
for
the
third
offense,
but
the
City
Council
is
welcome
to
review
those
at
during.
You
know
the
master
fee
schedule
process.
We
usually
don't
like
to
put
them
directly
in
this
ordinance
because
it's
it's
easier
to
adopt
Remender
resolute
than
it
is
to
amend
an
ordinance.
So
that's
why
we
have
a
masterpiece
code.
C
B
Okay,
okay,
so
then
the
next
part
is
page
294
also
it
says
payment
of
fine
and
it
says
that
fine
payment
shall
be
mailed
or
tender
to
the
city,
clerk
of
San,
Bruno
and
I.
Just
wanted
to
I,
don't
know
if
that's
the
process.
I
had
not
heard
that,
and
so,
if
that's
what's
happening
great,
if
it's
not
happening,
maybe
we
just
need
to
corrected
I,
don't
our
fines
being
sent
to
the
city
clerk
Martin.
You
got
on
you
within
15
calendar
days,
yeah.
C
B
B
C
B
B
B
So
this
said
that
the
deadline
is
stated
in
the
City
Council's
resolution
and
so
I
guess
my
question
around
the
abatement
is
I
I'm,
imagining
that
that's
not
part
of
the
master
fee
schedule.
This
is
a
separate
resolution
and
how
can
we
review
that
because
I
know
some
of
these
abatements
have
been
going
on
for
a
long
time
and
I'm
wondering
if
the
City
Council
will
have
an
opportunity
to
shorten
that
period
of
time,
though,.
C
This
is
probably
worth
taking
a
quick
look
at,
but
I
think
the
resolution
that's
being
referred
to
here
is
the
resolution
that
the
City
Council
would
adopt
in
the
event
of
an
abatement.
So,
for
example,
there
aren't
abatement
resolutions
that
are
just
pending
and
waiting
to
be
used.
It's
a
resolution
that's
adopted
in
a
particular
circumstance
when
an
abatement
is
required,
because
in
order
to
have
an
abatement
you
you
have
to
go
to
court,
you
can't
enter
private
property
without
a
warrant
or
without
some
sort
of
court
order.
C
So
what
happened
in
the
past
is
that
there's
been
a
problem
on
the
property.
The
city
goes
to
court.
We
get
an
order
in
case
I'm.
Thinking
of
the
gentleman
appealed.
There
was
a
resolution
that
says
resolution
to
abate
it,
and
then
he
didn't
abate
it.
So
then
the
city
had
to
pay
to
abate
it,
and
then
that
amount
has
been
reported
now
against
the
property.
So
that's
usually
how
the
process
works.
Okay,.
B
B
Regarding
weed
removal,
I'm
just
curious,
I,
don't
know
anything
that
again.
This
is
new
to
me
from
a
municipal
standpoint,
but
as
far
as
the
sidewalk
goes
and
the
weeds
on
the
sidewalk
I
know,
we
have
some
weeds
right
now
that
I
will
get
to.
But
in
some
areas
it
just
looks
a
little
in
dire
need
of
some
TLC
and
I'm.
Just
wondering.
Is
there
anything
that
we
can
place
in
here
or
anything
that
is
alright?
C
So
that's
an
interesting
question
so
remember
this
title
deals
with
things
on
private
property,
not
on
public
property,
so
weeds
in
the
sidewalk
er
on
public
property,
and
the
provisions
of
weeds
in
here
are
really
designed
to
address
not
just
nuisance
conditions,
but
mainly
fire
hazards,
all
right
with
respect
to
weeds
in
the
sidewalk
there's
another
section
of
our
code,
which
is
in
an
upcoming
chapter,
I'm.
Sorry
I,
can't
remember
which
one
it
is
that
talks
about
the
requirement
for
adjacent
property
owners
to
maintain
the
sidewalk
in
front
of
their
homes
right
so
I.
C
B
Is
it
I
think
just
to
make
sure
that
there
can
they're
cohesive?
Is
this
a
good
place
to
put
place
it
where
it
would
balance
it
out
as
a
nuisance,
or
would
you
recommend
waiting
until
we
cover
that
code
and
I?
Don't
know
if
we're
gonna
cover
that
code
cuz,
it
sounds
like
that's
a
whole
different
section,
yeah.
B
C
B
B
B
C
Slightly
confusing
thanks
for
for
asking,
so
the
original
code
said
that
if
your
alcohol
establishment
was
approved
before
the
old
zoning
code,
which
I
think
was
2003,
then
those
activities
are
based
on
a
different
set
of
standards.
In
other
words,
there
are
legal
non-conforming
and
they
can
continue.
So
the
only
thing
I
wanted
to
make
sure
is
that
by
amending
this
code,
you
didn't
suddenly
extend
that
day
to
2020
right.
So
now
everything
between
2003
in
2020
is
automatically
legal
non-conforming.
No,
we
want
to
just
keep
that
2003
date.
B
C
B
Guess
another
question
is:
would
it
be
possible
and
I
guess
the
problem
would
be
from
an
administrative
standpoint,
is
how
you
actually
enforce
it,
but
I'd
be
curious
to
know
if
it
would
be
possible
to
somehow
add
if
we're
talking
about.
You
know,
individuals
who
can
have
cars,
a
venn
member
of
cars
or
inoperable
vehicles.
Is
there
any
way
to
add
to
the
definition
of
nuisance
people
who
are
parking
their
cars
to
go
to
the
airport?
B
C
So
that
is
a
difficult
problem
to
solve,
and
it's
a
problem
that
is
I
think
best
addressed
by
the
residential
permit
parking
program,
that
sort
of
exactly
what
that's
designed
to
address,
where
there's
an
influx
from
an
external
source
of
individuals
parking
and
taking
up
street
parking
that
should
be
able
to
be
used
by
the
neighborhood.
The
the
difficulty
with
with
having
it
in
in
this
title
or
any
other
title
is
again.
C
This
is
private
property,
only
not
public
property,
but
the
the
difficulty
is
yes,
of
course,
with
respect
to
enforcement,
you
know
it's
it's
not
a
nuisance.
If
the
same
car
anywhere
we're
not
going
to
be
able
to
find
out.
Why
are
you
parking
there?
So
we
can't
ask
people:
why
did
you
park
your
car?
And
yes,
we
know
there
are
reports,
of
course
people
parking
in
in
neighborhoods,
so
they
can
go
to
the
airport.
We've
seen
people
through
it.
We
know
that's
happening
best,
address
I,
think
by
a
residential
permit
parking
program.
Okay,.
B
C
I
see
it
I
understand
yeah.
So
this
this
was
added
to
be
consistent
with
new
California
laws
having
to
do
with
building
and
plumbing
codes,
and
the
only
thing
of
course
relating
to
cannabis
is
making
sure
that
there's
evidence
if,
if
there
is
cannabis,
being
grown
on
the
property
which
is
allowed
under
state
law,
that
the
agreement,
the
rental
agreement,
if
it's
a
problem
that
prohibits
it.
So
it's
not
something
that
normally
staff
would
enforce.
Unless
there's
a
complaint
that
there's
more
than
the
allowed
amount
of
cannabis
beet
road
on
the
road
on
the
property.
C
So
that's
that's
a
good
question,
probably
something
we
might
want
to
check
with
the
police
department
about
I.
Don't
know
that
the
city
can
require
additional
registration
of
private
property
over
and
above
what
the
state
requires
and
I'm
taking
a
guess
at
this.
So
I
apologize
it
if
it
turns
out
to
be
wrong
because
I've
never
been
asked
that
question,
but
probably
that's
a
preemption
issue
in
that
the
state
occupies
the
field
of
vehicle
registration
and
it's
I
think
it's
unlikely
that
at
least
there
might
be
a
problem
with
that.
A
D
Hey
you
know,
I,
think,
just
on
that
point,
I
think
that
and
I
know
you
haven't
gone
through
this
process
before
a
lot
of
these
things.
Councilmember
Mason
but
I
think
sending
an
email
to
mark
prior
to
these
meetings
can
think
you
have
a
lot
of
great
questions,
a
lot
of
good
details
that
he
might
be
more
prepared
for
some
answers,
or
at
least
be
able
to
give
you
someone's
answers.
I
know,
that's
always
I
found
very
helpful
and
I
and
Javon
I
appreciate
this
statement.
D
D
Think!
Oh,
yes,
yes,
I'm
on
prohibiting
any
inoperable
vehicle
from
being
screened,
I
think
it
just
takes
I
think
it
they
should
just
shouldn't.
Be
there
I
think
it
just
takes
away
from
our
authority
to
do
anything
and
I
guess:
I
guess
the
question
I
was
gonna
have
is
what
is
the
definition
of
screened?
Is
it
anything
that
sort
of
go
ahead?
Mark.
C
That's
that's
also
a
good
question,
so
some
of
those
definitions
are
really
in
the
zoning
code
and
one
of
the
things
that
we
we
didn't
have
time
to
do
before
tonight's
meeting
is
checked
to
understand
with
unity,
Development
Department.
What
does
that
really
mean
and
I
think
for
a
practical
standpoint?
It
certainly
means
a
fence.
C
It
could
be
a
hedge
that
is,
is
tall
enough,
that
you
can't
see
it
from
the
public
right-of-way.
But
this
is
one
of
those
areas
where
it's
really
goal
is
to
not
see
it
from
public
right-of-way
and
so
often
times
it
is
involving
the
exercise
of
discretion
by
enforcement
officer.
You
know
if
you
can
see
the
tip
of
the
antenna
of
the
inoperable
car
is
that
enough?
So
it's
hard
to
say:
if
you
can
see
the
whole
thing,
everybody
would
agree.
C
We
would
have
a
effort
by
the
code
enforcement
department
to
abate
inoperable
vehicles
on
private
property
and
we
do
have
part
of
our
processes
that
would
allow
us
to
do
that.
It's
an
involved
due
process
because
you're,
essentially
taking
away
somebody's
private
property
and-
and
so
other
cities
have
done
that
at
some
significant
expense.
But
that
is
something
that
the
city
can
do
from
an
operational
standpoint.
It's
a
matter
of
time
and
resources.
D
Maybe
the
problem
is
I
I've
seen
several
vehicles
now,
there's
one
up
in
the
Glen
View
neighborhood,
there's
one
up.
In
fact,
in
the
back
yard
of
the
house,
fire
on
rosewood
of
these
inoperable
vehicles
and
I
would
hate
living
next
door.
Knowing
that
you've
got
a
vehicle
park
in
the
backyard,
it
probably
has
some
sort
of
gasoline
in
the
tank,
and
it's
just
a
hazard
and
so
I
think
when
they're
unseen,
we
just
we
have
the
potential
for
a
hazard
and
with
that
house.
D
Fire
on
rosewood
that
had
to
be
I
know
not
had
to
be
I,
know
very
scary
for
the
neighbors.
This
runni
neighbors
tarps
I
think
it
just
creates
a
another
problem
in
the
community.
I
think
it
should.
The
tarp
looks
good
for
about
the
first
month
and
then
the
San
Bruno
winds
and
the
elements
tear
it
up
and
before
you
know
it,
it's
just
at
arc
and
I
think
that
just
again-
and
it
leads
for
more
problems
when
you
can't
see
what's
going
on.
D
But
you
know,
I
mean
the
goal
here
and
I
think
you
know
for
the
few
residents
who
spoke.
We
want
to
be
proud
of
our
city,
we
want
it
to
be
a
beautiful
city.
We
don't
want
something
where
we
allow
for
additional
for
people
to
just
leave
inoperable
vehicles
on
a
driveway
somewhere,
where
you
know
the
weeds
are
growing
underneath
the
tires
and
underneath
the
vehicle,
and
it
just
it's
it's
it's
not
it's
unsightly
and,
and
that's
not
a
neighborhood
that
I
want
to
live
in.
Thank
you.
I
Thanks
mark
for
for
the
study,
I
think
we're
doing
really
great
I'm
revisiting
all
these
things
and
getting
everything
aligned
with
our
zoning
and
getting
the
principal
code
up-to-date.
So
really
appreciate
you
staying
on
task
with
this
I
had
you
know,
I'm.
Looking
in
the
report
on
the
definition
of
inoperable,
vehicle
and
notice,
one
of
the
conditions
that
could
render
it
that
could
define
it.
I'm
in
an
operable
vehicle
is
lacking.
A
current
registration
and
there
are
the
DMV
does
allow
people
to
register
a
vehicles.
I
Non-Operational
doesn't
mean
that
it
doesn't
that
can't
that
it
doesn't
run.
It
just
means
that
they
are
not
planning
on
using
it
on
the
road
and
they
don't
get
a
new
tag
and
they
are
still
compliant
basically
with
the
state
regulations
on
the
vehicle.
So
if
we
designate
those
vehicles
that
are
basically
compliant
with
the
state
as
inoperable
as
well
based
on
this
definition
with
those,
then
also
run
afoul
of
our
ordinance
and
being
able
to
have
those
in
a
driveway.
C
That's
an
interesting
point,
and
you
know
the
what
we
want
to
try
to
figure
out
is:
what
is
the
issue
that
we're
trying
to
solve
and
clearly
it
it
doesn't
matter
to
to
anybody
who
lives
in
the
neighborhood
or
any
member
of
the
public,
whether
the
vehicle
has
a
tag
on
it?
That's
expired
or
not.
Expired
right
that
that's
not.
The
point
point
is
the
appearance
of
the
vehicle
and
the
fact
that
vehicles
that
are
not
operational
are
more
likely
to
appear
as
a
public
nuisance.
That's
what
we're!
C
What
we're
trying
to
get
at
so
the
fact
of
are
they
registered
or
not,
or
do
they
have
a
certificate
or
don't
they
is,
is
probably
not
the
way
to
address
the
light
of
inoperable
vehicles,
but
that
is
something
we
can
look
into
and
talk
to
the
police
department
about.
We
did
discuss
these
sorts
of
issues
with
them
regarding
parking
on
streets,
which
is
another
topic
because
they're
you,
the
registration,
has
to
be
expired
for
more
than
six
months
where
you
can
tow
the
vehicle
as
I
recall.
C
So
there
are
lots
of
restrictions
in
terms
of
towing
vehicles
go
and
you
can
cite
them,
but
then
people
don't
pay
and
and
then
so
what
the
vehicle
is
still
there.
So
if
we
really
want
to
address
the
problem,
it's
really
the
appearance
of
it
or
saying
that
you,
you
can't
have
these
on
on
private
property,
but
I'll.
Look
at
that
the
definition
and
look
at
the
in
a
non
operational
registration
to
see.
If
that's
something
that
we
could
look
at
yeah.
I
And-
and
it's
curious
that
that
aesthetics
becomes
an
issue
here,
because
I
can
have
a
really
nice-looking
car
with
no
engine
in
it,
it's
inoperable
and
I
can't
use
it.
It's
sitting
there
just
taking
up
space,
but
if
it
looks
nice
and
nobody
complains
about
it,
then
it's
okay,
I
could
have
just
an
old
rust
bucket.
That's
my
daily
driver
and
it
completely
deteriorate,
s--
everybody's
property
values,
but
it
runs
and
I
Drive
it
every
day
and
it's
parked
on
the
street
and
that's
okay.
So
that's
where
I
kind
of
have
some
some
problems.
I
This
is
where
we're
trying
to
define
these
things
based
on
a
problem
and
and
I
understand.
The
problem
is
that
there
are
some
ugly
cars
that
don't
drive
that
people
have
complained
about,
but
at
the
same
time
you
know
if
we
do
this
blanket
sort
of.
Is
that
anything
that
doesn't
run
can't
be
there?
And
you
said
on
the
street:
they
won't
tow
it
for
six
months,
but
you
know
so.
How
long
is
it
six
months
sitting
in
a
driveway
where
it's
deemed
a
problem
or
is
it
you
know
one
month
in
the
driveway?
I
Is
it
a
year
in
the
driveway
multiple
years
you
know:
do
we
wait
until
there's
weeds
growing
under
the
thing
before
we
say
it's
an
issue,
so
you
know
I
I
feel
like
we
really
need
to
have
a
little
bit
more
definition
and
guidance
for
people
to
know
what
what
is
appropriate
if
we
are
going
to
make
any
changes,
I
mean
I.
Think
right
now,
there's
enough
in
what
I'm
seeing
here
well,
we
could
definitely,
with
with
complaints
from
enough
neighbors,
take
action
on
some
of
these
things.
I
So
I
don't
know
that
we
need
to
necessarily
change
a
lot
of
that
and
then
just
regarding
tarps
are
we
using
the
term
tarp
and
car
cover
interchangeably?
Because
again,
that
could
make
a
big
difference
right.
You
could
have
a
very
nice
car
cover
on
a
very
nice
car
parked
out
there
and
do
that
now
the
those
cars
now
get
categorized
along
with
the
ones
that
are
using
tarps
to
disguise.
C
You
put
your
finger
on
another
problem,
a
potential
problem
with
with
saying
we're
going
to
eliminate
all
tarps
is
how
do
you
define
that
and
you're
you're
right
council
member
Davis
indicated
that
part
or
whatever
it
is
or
cover
might
look
good
in
a
certain
period
of
time
and
maybe
not
later
so
we
do
have
parts
of
the
nuisance
of
title
five
to
talk
about
things
that
are
dilapidated.
So
that's
a
word
that
it's
used
and
obviously
that's
a
judgment
call.
C
So
that's
a
situation
where,
if
the
tarp
or
cover
or
whatever
it
is,
is
dilapidated,
we
could
say
no
you've
got
to
get
rid
of
it.
But
the
answer
to
that
isn't
going
to
be
we're.
Gonna
take
your
car
from
you.
The
answer
is
you're
going
to
get
a
new
tarp
for
it
right
or
a
new
cover.
So
so
it's
the
the
potential
penalty
has
to
match
what
is
what
that's
creating
the
nuisance,
and
if
the
nuisance
is
created
by
an
ugly
cover,
then
the
solution
to
that
nuisance
is
getting
a
new
cover.
Okay,.
I
I
The
pigeons,
yeah
I
think
that
that's
definitely
a
problem
for
most
things
and
listening
the
mortgage
concerns
about
the
cats
you
know.
I
get.
You
know,
cats
actually,
feral
cats
do
provide
a
service
in
that
they
eliminate
some
vermin
that
are
loosing
the
art.
But
if
people
aren't
careful
about
how
they
how
they
feed
them,
they
could
also
potentially
attract
other
undesirable
animals
like
raccoons
and
skunks
foxes
and
those
those
animals
then
attract
coyotes
and
mountain
lions
and
probably
don't
want
to
track
those
things
into
our
neighborhood.
I
I
C
A
A
I
A
C
So
normally
what
would
happen
is
there's
a
complaint
from
somebody
in
the
neighborhood
says
you
know
he's
had
his
his
camper
shell
out
there
for
six
years
and
hasn't
done
anything
about
it.
Code
enforcement
would
go
to
the
person
and
say
have
you
had
it
out
here
for
six
years
and
the
person
says
yes.
Well,
probably
that's
an
unreasonable
amount
of
time.
C
I
think
the
the
intent
of
that
is
to
allow
people
to
use
their
their
camper
shells
during
the
year
during
camping
season,
whatever
that
might
be,
or
if
they're
retired,
maybe
throughout
the
year,
but
not
to
have
it
as
a
storage
place
for
for
those
shells.
So
the
distinction
is
that
the
the
property
is
being
used
by
the
resident
as
opposed
to
it's
just
a
place
to
store
it,
and
that
is
hard
to
determine
you're
right.
Mr.
mayor
is
that
it's
not
well-defined.
We
can
certainly
take
a
look
at
that.
Okay,.
A
A
C
I
mean
so
so
there
is
a
definition
in
the
code
about
what
constitutes
operability
and
I.
Don't
have
it
at
hand,
but
I
know
there's
a
number
of
factors
that
staff
would
use
to
determine
that
again.
It's
not
an
easy
thing
to
do.
The
person
doesn't
have
to
allow
you
to
turn
it
on.
The
person
doesn't
have
to
comply
with
the
request
to
turn
it
on
to
see
if
it
is
operable
so
really
that
determination
has
to
be
made
in
the
worst-case
scenario,
from
the
public
right-of-way
visually
by
the
code
enforcement
officer.
C
A
And
I,
let
go
some
of
the
comments
of
my
colleagues
made
about
you
know
additional
RV
or
boats
I
agree.
Keep
in
mind
what
had
happened
years
ago
from
a
memory
was
that
an
initiative
was
placed
to
not
allow
any
of
those
on
the
side
on
Khan,
Street,
Street
I
think
it
is
a
very
close
vote.
Maybe
64
saqib
up
65
votes,
but
it
did
cause
quite
a
stir
in
the
community.
Some
folks
believed
it
was.
You
know
what
you
couldn't
could
have,
and
you
know
your
your
how
your
home
is
your
castle.
A
The
other
thing
is
is
on
the
aspect
of
graffiti.
Most
of
that
has
been
kept
and
was
expanded
some
years
ago,
as
far
as
making
sure
things
were
locked
up,
making
sure
how
it
was
quantified
and
defined
as
as
time
to
change,
but
are
we
still
under
the
same
premise
as
far
as
mitigation
is
concerned,
whether
it's
24
hours
for
gang
or
profanity,
and
it's
under
the
72-hour
notice,
if
it's
other
than
that,
two
businesses
are
residential.
Yes,.
C
A
Has
been
a
big
help,
but
I
do
know
that
one
ain't
place
continues
it
and
again.
If
folks
can
go
back
in
time
on
what
it
was
like,
it
was
horrific
here,
but
they
are
told
they
have
to
take
cautions,
whether
its
lighting,
whether
its
vegetation
or
something,
and
then
they
will
be
assessed
that
money.
So
I
appreciate
that
I
think
I'm
good
for
now
mark.
Is
there
any
more
information
or
if
we
provided
you
enough
too
much
information.
C
To
me:
well,
this
is
very
helpful.
I
think
I've
got
all
the
comments.
Written
down,
I'll
go
over
them
with
our
staff.
You
know
in
the
coming
days
and
we'll
bring
backup
staff
report
and
with
some
more
some
of
the
information
you
know,
that's
been
requested
and
then
provide
some.
Those
changes
to
the
ordinance
that
reflects
your
direction.
Okay,.