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D
A
Thank
you,
madeline.
Let's
see
we'll
call,
we
get
our
pledge
of
allegiance.
Commissioner
levin,
would
you
care
to
lead
us.
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Thank
you
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right
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minutes.
I
know
I
already
have
made
a
small
correction
which
has
been
issued
in
our
updated
packet.
Does
anyone
else
have
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comments
or
corrections
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our
minutes?.
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I'm
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to
motion
through
the
chair
right,
okay,
I
motioned
that
we
approved
the
minutes
for
february
15
2022.
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right
at
this
time,
we
would
have
time
for
public
comment
for
items
not
on
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you
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B
Yes,
I
do
have
a
conflict
with
item
7b,
642
pepperdrive.
A
All
right,
we
will
have
you
removed
from
that
when
we
get
to
there.
If
it's
not
the
only
one,
nobody
else
looks
like
all
right,
then,
moving
on
so
item
7a,
one
of
our
continued
items-
1261
claremont
drive,
I
believe,
michael,
is
delivering
our
short
presentation.
C
All
right,
hopefully,
everyone
can
see-
can
see
the
screen
yep.
Okay,
good!
C
It
is
a
second
story
edition,
with
a
total
increase
of
1273
square
feet,
the
total
size
of
the
the
home
plus
the
addition-
and
this
is
gross
square
footage.
So
it
includes
the
garage
which
would
be
3130
square
feet,
which
is
a
floor
area
of
0.53
and
lot
coverage
percentage
of
35
percent,
four
bedrooms,
three
bathrooms
with
a
remodeled
and
expanded
kitchen,
a
new
family
room
and
two
new,
upstairs
bedrooms
bathrooms.
C
This
item
went
to
the
architecture
review
committee
on
two
occasions
after
the
architecture
review
committee
meeting
in
january,
the
applicant
to
lower
the
height
of
the
overall,
the
overall
height
of
the
second
story,
addition
to
25
feet,
seven
inches
with
nine
feet,
four
inches
for
the
living
room,
plate
height
and
then
the
bedroom
side
wall
is
seven
foot
nine
inches
with
18
inch
crawl
space.
C
C
Also
included
in
the
revised
drawings
were
some
expanded,
shade
shadow
diagrams,
so
the
first
diagram
that
was
submitted
shows
the
approximate
sun
angles
for
summer
and
fall
and
then
also
winter.
So
of
course,
the
longest
shadows
that
are
cast
to
the
north
and
the
neighboring
property
at
1251.
Clermont
would
be
cast
during
the
winter
months.
C
So
what
the
what
the
diagram
shows
is
that
between
the
ex
the
existing
first
once
one
story
and
the
roof
peak
for
the
one-story
residence
there's
an
existing
shadow,
that's
a
cast
approximately
24
feet,
9
inches
and
on
the
winter
during
the
winter
at
the
peak
in
december,
and
that
would
extend
to
44
feet.
So
it
would
be
an
increase
of
approximately
20
feet
of
shade
shadow
to
the
neighboring
property.
C
This
these
diagrams
show,
in
the
light
cray
shading
area
the
shadowing
at
the
three
different
times
of
year,
again
with
the
winter
shadow
shown
in
the
light
gray
here
and
its
relationship
to
the
adjoining
property.
C
Of
course,
during
the
summer
in
june,
when
the
sun
is
high
at
its
highest
point
in
the
sky,
there
is
just
a
minimal
shadow
at
that
point
and
then
in
the
fall
there's
the
also
shadowing
to
the
neighbor.
C
I
did
want
to
include
in
the
presentation
this
evening
two
of
the
illustrations
that
were
submitted
by
the
the
neighboring
property
owner.
The
first
is
the
aerial
photo
which
shows
the
relationship
of
the
house
with
proposed
second
story.
In
addition,
in
relation
to
their
home
plus
the
home,
that's
on
fairmont.
C
And
then,
on
the
next
slide
here,
the
the
architectural
plans
are
show
a
14
foot
distance
to
the
clermont
residence
and,
as
shown
here,
the
distance
is
actually
10
feet,
2
inches
at
its
closest
and
then
with
the
indoor
living
area
and
then
the
covered
patio
area.
C
C
So
the
the
the
planet
commission
for
its
for
its
consideration
this
evening
will
need
to
to
make
a
total
of
six
findings
for
the
project
and
there
is
language
included
in
your
staff
report,
which
describes
the
fir
the
first
three
findings
which
are
use
permit,
findings
for
the
proposed
edition
and
so
they're
they're
listed
here.
I
won't
read
them,
but
we'll
just
keep
it
keep
in
mind
that
there
are
the
three
findings
for
the
use
permit
and
then
also
there
are
the
three
findings
for
the
architecture
review
permit.
C
And
then,
finally,
I'd
like
to
just
talk
about
the
third
and
last
finding
which
I
actually
revert,
the
order.
That's
in
your
staff
report
that
the
proposed
development
set
forth
on
the
plans
will
not
unreasonably
restrict
or
interfere
with
light
and
air
on
the
property
and
on
other
property
in
the
neighborhood
and
will
not
hinder
or
discourage
the
appropriate
development
and
use
of
land
and
buildings
in
the
neighborhood
or
impaired
value
thereof,
and
is
consistent
with
the
design
and
scale
of
the
neighborhood.
C
And
then
continuing
on,
I
just
wanted
to
note
that
the
city
does
not
have
a
requirement
for
applicants
to
submit
a
shadow
study,
but
in
this
case
that
that
information
was
submitted,
the
city
also
does
not
have
a
set
standard
for
a
shading
impact.
So
the
application
of
the
residential
design
guideline
would
be
basically
on
a
case-by-case
basis
and
then,
finally,
as
presented
the
proposed
second
story,
addition
will
increase
the
length
of
shadows
on
the
adjoining
property
by
about
20
feet
on
the
neighboring
property
during
the
winter
solstice.
C
So
the
recommendation
is
to
consider
and
make
the
findings
for
the
conditional
use
permit
and
also
to
consider
and
make
the
findings
for
the
architecture
review.
So
what
is
staff
is
recommending
to
the
planning
commission
this
evening?
Is
that
you
consider
the
information
presented
by
the
applicant
and
neighboring
property
owners
and
the
plans
that
have
been
submitted
and
at
this
at
the
meeting
tonight
and
determine
if
the
finding
regarding
light
and
error
can
be
made
in
the
positive
for
the
project.
C
If
the
planning
commission
finds
that
the
proposed
edition
does
not
impact
light
and
error,
then
the
planning
commission,
I'm
sorry.
If
the
planning
commission
finds
a
proposed
edition,
does
impact
light
and
error,
then
the
planning
commission
can
make
take
the
alternative
action.
That's
listed
in
the
staff
report
and
deny
the
project
and
also,
if,
if
that's
the
case,
the
planning
commission
will
want
to
also
provide
direction
to
the
applicant
as
well.
E
I
have
a
question
and
I'll
kind
of
start
with
just
saying
that
I
was
able
to
visit
the
jobs
or
the
the
property
adjacent
to
the
proposed
site
at
1251
claremont
and
was
able
to
meet
with
the
murphys
and
was
able
to
view
view
the
the
the
lots
as
they
relate
to
each
other
and
also
I
brought
with
me
a
measuring
tape
and
I'm
thankful
that
staff
has
pointed
out
the
the
significant
the
four
foot
error
in
the
the
distance
between
the
homes
the
architect's
plans
indicated.
E
There
was
more
space
between
the
proposed
site
and
the
home
of
the
neighbors,
and
when
I
was
out
there
with
my
little
plans
that
staff
kindly
printed
for
me
and
the
the
neighbor,
mr
murphy
did
point
out
the
discrepancy.
E
E
Am
I
able
to
take
into
consideration
information
that
I
gather
myself
that
contradicts
it's
given
to
me
in
staff
reports
and
my
my
other
question
that
pertains
to
that
is
whose
responsibility
is
it
to
make
sure
that
the
plans
that
we
receive
and
are
evaluating
are
accurate,
because
this
is
a
really
important
measurement
in
regards
to
the
decision
that
we're
going
to
be
making?
And
I
don't
think
that
that
should
fall
on
the
neighbor
to
point
out
that
you
know,
there's
an
error
in
the
plans
of
their
of
their
neighbor.
E
That
will
impact
their
property,
and
I
don't
believe
that
it's
a
commissioner's
obligation
to
go
out
with
a
measuring
tape
and
measure
that
also
so
I'm
just
curious.
Whether
or
not
I
can
use
that
information
in
my
decision
making
and
who's
who's
ultimately
responsible
for
these
measurements.
A
First
question:
yeah.
A
H
Very
good,
yes,
so
the
answer,
the
short
answer
is
yes,
commissioner:
you're
able
to
use
your
personal
observations
that
you
made.
While
you
were
at
the
property
you
disclosed
that
you
did
go
to
the
property
that
you
took
those
measurements
and
how
you
took
them.
H
Certainly
somebody
else
might
dispute
those
measurements
or
say
something
about
it,
but
that's
the
purpose
of
the
public
hearing
tonight
so
as
for
the
second
question,
I'll
I'll
toss
that
one
to
staff-
and
they
can-
they
can
address
that
but
you're
able
to
use
your
personal
observations.
A
I
just
ask
as
a
refinement
on
commissioner
elephant's
question.
It
looks
to
me
like
the
point
was
that
the
14
foot
measurement
was
to
essentially
a
different
wall
than
the
10
foot
measurement
or
the
10
foot
measurement
was
to
the
edge
of
that
patio
covering
or
is
it
or
was
it
just
completely
wrong?.
E
My
understanding
is
that
the
architect
marked
the
10
foot.
I
think
it
was
10
foot
four.
I
don't
have
it
in
front
of
me
or
beside
me.
Sorry.
He
had
a
mark
from
the
fence
line,
the
property
lane
to
the
to
the
murphy's,
the
side
of
the
mercy
murphy's
home
and
that
measurement.
I'm
sorry.
A
I
think
it
included
included
the
the
offset
from
the
other
side
of
the
fence.
E
C
Yeah
and
so
yeah,
so
this
was
this
was
again
submitted
by
the
neighbor
of
the
you
can
see
underneath
the
the
outline
that
was
included
in
the
architects
plans,
and
I
can
I
can
you
know
also
briefly
just
speak
to
the
plans.
I
mean
ultimately
the
architect,
you
know,
should
you
know
these?
This
should
be
accurate
from
the
architect.
C
We
don't
again.
We
don't
require
that
they.
They
include
neighboring
property
footprints
on
the
plans,
but
in
most
cases
we
have
them.
Staff
does
look
at
the
plans.
You
know
for
you
know
in
for
the
relationships,
and
you
know
in
basically
rough
terms.
So
you
know,
unfortunately,
in
this
case
we
did
not.
You
know,
catch
the
the
14
foot
or
about
the
four
foot
discrepancy
in
this
case
from
from
our
observations.
A
C
Enclosed
part
is
here:
oh
okay,
when
you
go
to
this
slide,
you
can
see
sure
you
can
see
the
roof
here.
Okay,
all
right!
Thank
you.
B
Through
the
chair,
I
also
visited
the
house
and
brought
measuring
tape
and
confirmed
those
measurements,
and,
as
far
as
I
can
see,
I
don't
believe
that
the
the
plan
as
proposed
meets
the
first
require
finding
for
the
youth
permit
and
or
the
architectural
review
parameters
that
it
says
under
the
circumstance.
A
particular
case
be
detrimental
to
the
health
safety
models.
Comfort
and
general
welfare
of
the
persons
residing
are
walking
in
the
neighborhood
of
such
proposed
use
and
then
on
the
architectural
review.
B
A
support
in
the
plane
will
not
unreasonably
restrict
or
interfere
with
lighter
air
on
the
property
on
the
other
property
in
the
neighborhood,
not
hindered
discouraged
or
discouraged
the
appropriate
developments
and
used
to
land
the
buildings
blah
blah.
But
you
know
I
think
the
the
setback
is
fathered
in
at
four
just
over
four
feet
and
it
should
be
five
feet,
but
you
know
I
don't
think
building
straight
up
from
that
is
making
the
matter
far
worse,
and
I
I
think
it's
definitely
unreasonably
overshadowing
the
house
next
door.
B
B
So
the
the
setback
on
the
the
subject
property
is
for
four
feet,
one
inch
so
that
measures
from
the
building
or
from
the
outside,
that's
from
the
from
the
property
line
to
to
the
the
the
home.
That's
proposing
the
the
addition.
C
C
So
yes,
there
so
there
is.
The
fireplace
is,
is
right
in
this
this
area
here.
So
it
encroaches
by
approximately
two
feet
into
that:
the
side
yard.
So
should
we
measure
from.
H
B
I
Yeah
so
like
the
others,
I
did
also
going
to
the
site
this
weekend
and
met
with
the
murphy
family,
and
this
dimension
was
pointed
out
to
me
as
being
inaccurate,
and
I
agree
that
it's
very
inaccurate
there's
a
four-foot
bust
in
the
dimension
and
the
fireplace
popping
out
at
least
two
feet
is
going
to
reduce
that
even
further.
I
What
was
you
know
really
striking
to
me
was
the
the
deck
in
the
rear.
It's
really
close
to
their
fence,
with
what
they're,
what
they're
proposing
to
build?
It's
quite
large
in
reviewing
some
information.
I
guess
some
other
architects
submitted
some
analysis,
and
maybe
some
of
the
letters
from
the
murphys
indicated
that
this
the
architect
or
the
owner
is
saying
that
that
deck
is
a
requirement
which
struck
me
as
odd
the
it's
not
at
exit.
I
It's
you
know
it's
got.
It
has
regular
windows,
it
means
beat.
Grass
is,
is
that
the
window
is
good
enough,
so
the
deck
is
just
it's
very
close.
It's
basically
looming
over
the
other
of
the
property,
so
I
found
it
very
strange.
I
I
note
that
the
revised
shadow
study
is
showing
the
shadows
at
noon
when
the
shadows
are
the
smallest
at
different
times
of
the
year
generally.
In
my
experience,
those
they
usually
show
morning
noon
and
afternoon.
Typically,
so
you
know
I'm
seeing
kind
of
a
pattern
here,
whether
it
be
intentional
or
not,
that
you
know
some
things
are
not
not
accurate
or
not
helpful
or
and
because
of
that
they've
come
across
as
misleading
to
me
and
yeah.
So
I
think
for
me,
I'm
I'm
a
no
on
this.
I
I
I
would
like
the
deck
move
back
or
eliminated
totally.
I
think
the
roof
should
be
a
hit
roof
at
the
back
rear
to
help
minimize
the
shadowing,
and
I
think
all
the
dimensions
should
be
accurate.
Just
like
I
stated
last
time,
I
did
not
appreciate
that
the
dimensions
were
just
typed
in,
but
the
physical
drawings
were
not
the
scale.
So
I
think
I
agree
with
a
lot
of
the
analysis
of
the
architects
too
that
that
relieved
this.
They
pointed
out
that
in
the
garage
it
doesn't
even
work.
I
There's
a
stairwell
blocking
one
of
the
parking
spaces
very
odd,
and
you
know
they
did
come
up
with
a
you
know
proposed
alternate
that
does
meet
the
the
spirit
and
the
letter
of
the
residential
design
guidelines.
I
It
will
definitely
be
more
difficult
to
build,
but
I
think
you
know
why
I
have
these
guidelines
if
they
can
just
be
kind
of
tossed
away
whenever
so,
that's
my
two
cents.
I
think
I
don't
have
any
issues
with
the
look
of
the
house.
There's
a
lot
of
talk
about
it
doesn't
fit
the
neighborhood.
I
completely
disagree
with
that.
I
There's
a
whole
mishmash
hodgepodge
of
houses
in
that
area.
Just
like
all
of
san
bruno,
I
don't
think
that's
about
valid
argument
from
my
point
of
view,
but
I
think
the
other
other
issue
with
this
house
are
enough.
H
I
think
it
would
be
important
to
pause
for
just
a
moment,
because
it
it
seems
that
commissioners
are
issuing
their
opinions
on
the
project
rather
than
asking
questions
of
staff,
which
is
what
I
think
you
the
chair
had
asked
for,
and
it
would
be
important
to
get
public
comment
on
the
record
before
commissioners
make
further
substantive
comments
regarding
the
project.
So
I
would
say
that
if
commissioners
right
now
have
any
questions
about
the
staff
report,
now
is
the
time
to
ask
them.
C
Yes,
not-
I
haven't,
have
not
been
in
mr
murphy's.
A
J
Hi
good
evening,
folks,
I
question
first
thank
you
mark
for
interjecting
there.
I'm
gonna
refrain
from
commenting
and
just
ask
a
question.
I
also
visited
the
site
for
the
weekend
and
met
with
the
murphy
family.
I
just
want
to
be
crystal
clear
on
one
thing:
the
discrepancy
between
the
measurement
between
the
two
homes
is.
Does
that
I'm
a
bit
confused
so
we're
acknowledging
that
there's
a
discrepancy
and
then
we
just
looked
at
and
the
the
board
packet
had
a
shadow
studies
that
were
shared
by
the
architect.
C
Respond
to
that,
so
I
think
what
the
what
the
result.
The
result
is
that
the
you
know
during
particularly
in
winter
when
the
shadows
are
the
longest
at
noon.
Time,
at
least
from
the
information
we
received
from
the
architect,
the
shadow
cast
an
additional
20
feet.
So
what
what
that
does
based
on
the
the
revision
is,
since
the
the
how
the
home
is
closer
than
was
shown
on
the
architect's
plans
and
there's
a
larger
wall
segment.
C
That's
also
on
that
side
that
the
shadowing
would
be
greater,
I
think,
would
be
the
you
know
the
takeaway
there
that
the
shadows
would
actually
extend
deeper
into
into
the
lot
and
the
in
the
open
yard
area
during
well
at
pretty
much.
You
know
at
all
times
of
the
year,
but
in
particular
you
know
in
the
winter,
when
the
shadows
are
the
longest.
A
C
Again
on
this,
this
was
the
slide
which,
which
shows
the
location
of
the
house,
and
you
can
see
underneath
it
the
the
line
that
the
architect
drew
for
the
location
of
the
house
and
then
I'll
go
back
to.
A
The
shadow
study
submitted
by
the
architect,
so
it
does
appear
to
contain
the
same
error,
yeah.
C
So
right
exactly
so
so
you
know,
since
more
of
the
house
is,
is
in,
would
be
in
this
full
shadow
area
during
the
winter
and
then
as
you
as
you
go
back
as
well.
Probably
you
know
more
than
one
time
of
the
year
you
know,
as
in
the
spring
and
in
the
fall
as
well.
There
would
be
more
shadowing
just
by
by
virtue
of
the
relationship
between
the
two
structures.
E
E
I
I
noticed
that
there
also
was
a
discrepancy
that
the
murphys
pointed
out
and
that
I
see
has
also
been
corrected
in
the
new
staff
presentation
tonight,
that
the
the
the
building
at
1181
is
significantly
longer
and
it
carries
down
basically
the
junction
of
those
fences
and
that
deck
looks
directly
down
and
kind
of
it.
It
looms
over
the
building
there.
Yes,
thank
you
yeah!
That's
a
really
good
description
of
it.
E
The
the
deck
actually
comes
really
fairly
close
to
to
the
home
at
1181
fairmont,
and
I'm
just
wondering
from
staff.
If
there's
any
considerations
that
we
should
be
making
from
a
code
or
from
a
the
perspective
of
the
design
guidelines
with
regards
to
privacy
or
or
anything
else
related
to
that
that
information
well,
first
I'd
like
to
clarify
that
the
deck
is
certainly
not
required.
C
And
then,
second,
the
deck
does
maximize
its
its
footprint
into
in,
in
terms
of
what's
allowed,
the
the
rear,
setbacks,
10
feet
and
decks
can
encroach
four
feet
so
they're
they're,
taking
advantage
of
a
full
encroachment.
So
certainly
the
the
placement
and
size
of
the
deck
can
be
considered
by
the
commission
and
and-
and
you
know
whether
it's
there.
E
At
all,
both
both
for
privacy
concerns
and
for
for
light
and
air.
I
K
A
F
A
F
Oh
wait:
I
got
a
bunch
of
comments.
Do
you
want
to
go
first
or
should
I.
A
Yeah,
I
mean
the
one
thing
like
I,
the
the
thing
that
was
left
over
for
me
from
the
previous
session
was
trying
to
understand
what
the
I
mean.
It
sounds
like
the
way
the
design
guidelines
were
written.
There
was
sort
of
the
it
appeared
that
the
design
was
being
encouraged
away
from
facing
a
second
story,
addition
being
over
the
side
facing
the
street,
that
there
was
the
idea
that
that
would
loom
over
the
street,
and
so
it
was
pushed
towards
using
the
side
facing
neighbors.
A
F
So
the
floor
plan
that
was
created
was
derived
from
the
layout
below
it's
functionally,
designed
to
fit
very
quickly
properly
in
terms
of
like
cost
and
everything
so
to
move
everything
over.
It
changes
the
complete
floor
plan
and
intent
of
the
client,
and
yes,
it
will
be
definitely
a
much
larger
cost
than
to
have
it
the
way
it's
built
the
way
it's
designed
right
now,.
F
Several,
so
let
me
start
with
the
first
one
is:
I
have
no
intentions
of
deceiving
anybody
with
the
drawings.
Let
me
put
that
out
there
very
clear
and
very
factual,
and
it
is
my
mistake
for
not
having
that
wall
at
the
correct
length
and
I
I'm
coming
completely
clean
the
way
I
got.
Those
lines
was
from
google
maps
and
I
took
the
map
diagram
and
I
drew
it.
So
if
you,
google,
google
maps
the
shape
of
their
house
is
what
it
shows
over
there.
F
It's
a
bit
of
a
massive
model,
so
it
was
never
really
intentionally
supposed
to
be
like
an
exact
layout
of
their
house.
However,
after
realizing
that
is
completely
off,
given
the
packet
that
you
guys
sent
us,
I
took
liberty
to
revise
the
the
shade
diagram
to
show
the
actual
layout
of
the
house
on
top
of
the
shade
study,
and
it
was
actually
really
helpful.
So
thank
you.
F
The
person
who
did
that,
but
it
also
reveals
a
couple
interesting
items-
is
that,
because
the
way
that
the
house
is
closer
to
the
lion,
they're
not
actually
getting
less
sun,
if
anything,
we're
covering
less
of
their
backyard.
F
So
it's
not
so
because
the
way
it
is
we're
actually
come
less
the
way
I
drew
it
before,
pushing
it
back.
It
would
make
sense
to
show
that
we're
covering
more
of
their
backyard,
but
because
it's
actually
closer
to
the
property.
I
mean
we're
actually
covering
less.
That's
one
point
I
really
want
to
make
very
clear
and
if
the
presenter
allow
me
to
share
my
screen,
I
can
actually
show
you
exactly
what
I'm
talking
about
so
we're
all
on
the
same
page
and
that's
okay,.
D
L
F
Okay,
shoot
quite
a
bit
okay,
so
here's
the
sun
diagram,
here's
the
updated-
and
one
thing
I
really
wanted
to
point
out-
is
that
yes,
I
know
that
there's
certain
sundiagrams
that
show
three
times
of
the
year
or
three
times
of
the
day
before
a
specific
day
showing
the
way
the
shadow
is
the
way
the
sun
diagram
is
basically
illustrating
is
the
worst
case
scenario,
and
so
that
you
know
like
what's
the
worst
that
could
happen,
and
obviously
it's
winter
and
it's
covering
here,
but
during
the
summer
it
has
almost
no
impact
on
this
house
and
during
the
equinox.
F
The
part
where
it
does
impact
is
right
here.
So
the
difference
is
this
part
actually
didn't
draw.
So
now
it
juts
out.
So
I
mean
it's
actually,
I'm
covering
less
of
the
the
back
and
then
I
looked
at
some
of
the
letter
and
the
pictures
of
their
back
darts.
It's
like
a
kind
of
a
side
yard
their
the
greenery.
Their
backyard
is
basically
right
here
and,
to
be
honest,
it's
actually
all
the
way
over
here.
F
The
porch
is
right
here
and
so
in
essence,
we're
not
really
covering
that
much
of
the
backyard
and
yes
the
morning
you'll
get
shade,
as
everybody
else
gets
shade.
It's
at
a
lower
point.
So
that's
why
I
always
tend
to
measure
the
worst
case
scenario
at
the
highest
point,
and
it's
just
clearer
in
that
sense.
F
So
that's
my
comment
for
a
sunshade
diagram.
I
think
that
it's
actually
better
now
that's
updated.
It
shows
it
has
less
impact
and
the
other
thing
I
wanted
to
mention
was
the
deck.
So
originally
we
didn't
have
a
deck
for
this
project.
F
However,
the
deck
was
placed
in
there
so
that
we
can
break
up
that
facade,
because
one
of
the
comments
was
that
our
facade
might
be
too
large
and
one
way
to
break
it
up
was
to
place
a
deck
cutting
across
it
and
that
made
sense,
and
so
we
you
know,
went
forward
and
did
that
it
has
no
intention
of
peering
over
into
somebody's
yard.
F
It
was
trying
to
actually
break
up
those
things
to
make
it
less
like
large
and
booming,
and
then
the
other
thing
was
basically
the
design
intent
of
this
is
to
make
it
less
alone
over
anything
and
placing
it
over.
There
makes
a
lot
of
sense
in
the
back,
because
it's
kind
of
tucked
away
in
terms
of
sun
impact,
you
can
see
it
from
the
sun
diagram.
It's
it's
you're
going
to
get
some
shade,
but
it's
not
like
recovering
the
entire
backyard
full
of
shade.
F
F
Well,
so
this
is
actually
a
comment
from
the
owner,
and
so
he
really
wanted
to
make
sure
that
everybody
knows
this.
After
the
comments
from
our
last
meeting,
he
met
with
general
contractor
per
and
he
he
would
be
providing
like
a
16-foot
high
nylon
traffic
and
dust
screen
between
the
two
houses
to
make
sure
that
very
minimal.
If
not
any
dust
would
get
into
our
neighbor's
house
in
terms
of
parking,
because
that
was
a
large
issue
for
the
the
previous
meeting
too.
F
So
he'll
make
sure
the
contractor
will
make
sure
that
he
arranged
the
trucks
to
be
parking
on
the
driveway
and
not
to
take
up
more
parking
spaces
on
the
street.
F
And
then
yeah,
but
he's
willing
to
help
out
in
any
way
to
make
it
smoother
for
everybody
but
yeah,
that's
that's
all
I
really
have
I
I
think
that
covers
my
comment.
A
Thank
you
yeah.
I
mean
I
think
I
mean
the
concern
that
commissioner
madden
raised
is
simply
that
I
am
you
know
eyeballing
this
and
knowing
you
know,
having
looked
at
plenty
of
shadow
patterns
like
the
3
to
6
pm
window,
you
know
the
the
late
afternoon
on
that
winter
is
gonna,
be
you
know,
I
mean
it's
more
or
less
the
entire
roof,
but
I
mean.
A
Right
but
yeah
I
mean
like
it's
like:
I
have
a
two-story
house
next
to
me
and
that's
you
know,
but
all
right
are
there
any
other
questions
from
commissioners
for
the
architect
or
shall
we
move
on
the
public
comment
through
the
chair,
commissioner?
Be
a
thought
of
you?
Would
the
architect
care
to.
F
Explain
the
staircase
in
the
garage-
yes,
of
course,
yes,
I
was
prepared
for
that
yeah.
That
was
a
kind
of
a
tricky
design.
I
think
you
guys
can
still
see
my
screen
and
so
the
staircase
does
loom
over
or
it
does
the
step
over
the
garage
and
the
height.
It's
gonna
be
seven
foot
ten,
so
it
does
clear.
You
know
it
does
work.
Is
it
a
bit
of
a
tricky?
F
A
J
F
Yeah,
absolutely
no
originally
we
didn't
have
the
whole
back
was
like
kind
of
a
sighting.
However,
because
one
of
the
comments
was
brought
up
was
that
it
was,
we
don't
want
the
wall
to
be
tombing
or
too
daunting.
You
can
tell,
I
believe,
from
the
first
set
of
drawings
to
the
second
side,
I
believe,
that's
when
it
changed
or
at
some
point
we
had
actually
no.
J
A
very
clear
line
between
the
second
and
the
first
to
make
it
less
of
a
tall
wall.
So
just
thank
you
so
just
we're
holding
any
comment
on
the
deck
is
there
and
I'm
not
an
architect?
Is
there
any
other
way
for
you
to
accomplish
that
without
the
deck?
Yes,.
F
There
is
there
another
way:
yeah
I
mean
we
would
put
siding
horizontal
siding
at
that
part.
Basically,
that
creates
some
sort
of
line
that
goes
across
the
first
and
second
floor,
so
that
it
has
visually
something
that
separates
it,
a
deck.
Does
that
really
well,
but
if
that
is
growing
into
like
a
very
large
concern
for
everybody,
we
can
figure
out
a
way
to
either
make
it
smaller,
remove
it
or
whatever
we
need
to
do.
E
Yeah,
I
did
have
a
question
for
the
architect,
and
that
is
when
I
did
go
out
to
visit
the
site,
although
not
super
substantial.
The
dust
just
seemed
to
be
at
least
a
couple
feet
of
height
difference
between
the
subject
foundation
and
the
murphy
foundation,
which
does
seem
to
be
a
little
bit
downhill
from
them,
and
I
was
just
wondering
if
that
was
taken
into
consideration
at
the
shadow
study,
and
I
I
think,
if
I'm
not
mistaken,
you'd
probably
have
to
do
some
sort
of
survey
to
confirm.
E
F
Originally,
we
were
looking
to
take
up
the
full
allowable
height
for
the
second
story.
We
chose
not
to
and
kept
it
a
couple
feet
down
and
after
the
next
we
took
it
down
another
feat,
so
we
had
no
intention
of.
We
only
took
the
height
up
to
what
we
thought
we
needed,
but
we
didn't
want
to
take
up
the
whole
thing
in
terms
of
the
foundation
of
the
murphys.
I
mean
it's,
they
are
at
a
downhill
slope,
so
I
think
they.
F
They
probably
noticed
that
difference
greater
because
the
way
their
house
is
designed
and
the
porch,
because
one
day
their
porch
is
kind
of
integrated
into
their
house.
So
they're
kind
of
like
slab
on
grade
so
immediately
they're,
going
to
feel
like
a
16
to
20
inch
difference
between
the
house
and
the
other
house,
but
you
know
they're
on
a
slab
on
braid
versus
a
foundation
and
then
a
crawl
space
and
then
the
finished
floor.
So
in
my
mind
the
slopes
there
they
may
be
a
little
bit
lower,
but
it's
nothing
out
of
the
ordinary.
M
Yeah,
I
so
okay!
Thank
you.
This
is
a
question
for
the
mr
wong
and
I
also
had
the
opportunity
to
visit
the
the
actual
261
the
site,
as
well
as
a
neighbor
site
and
had
the
chance
to
go
inside
and
and
at
a
time
where
the
sun
was
directly
showing
it
was.
I
think
it
was
about
about
10
45
to
about
11
30..
So,
mr
wong,
I
just
wanted
a
couple
of
things.
M
I
think
that
in
breaking
up
the
wall
into
one
I
mean
a
deck
doesn't
break
up
a
wall
from
my
perspective,
but
I
mean
belly.
Bands
and
other
ways
of
material
is
what
creates
changes
a
wall,
but
I
didn't
adapt,
doesn't
there's
an
illusion,
possibly
and
there's
a,
but
in
most
cases
people
don't
see
it
don't
see
a
deck
and
the
wall
on
the
outside
is
usually
done
in
a
different
way.
M
So
I
you
know,
I
I
feel
that
that
large
wall
that's
a
concern
that
that
doesn't
resonate
with
me
and
and
in
looking
at
the
sun
situation.
I
think
that's
the
biggest
issue
on
the
table
is
the
sun.
You
talk
about
it.
I
think
you
mentioned.
It's
just
in
the
morning,
but
it's
just
in
the
morning
365
days
out
of
the
year,
and
so
I
know
there
are
rainy
days,
and
I
know
that
there
are
times
that
there
isn't
sun
showing
or
out.
M
However,
it
is
every
day
and
the
entire
length
of
the
house
of
the
murphy's
house,
their
living
room,
their
sun
room,
the
kitchen
area,
the
bedrooms
on
that
side
are
all
sun
generates
into
those
rooms,
they're,
not
small
windows,
and
it
is
the
sun
that
creates
the
environment.
So
I
just
think
it's
important
to
recognize
that
it's
it's
not
just
in
the
morning,
but
it's
the
entire
house
all
day
long
and
so,
and
so
I
you
know,
the
murphy's
sun
room
is
an
as
an
extension
of
their
living
space.
M
M
Now,
whether
that's
relevant
or
not,
it's
it's
an
opinion
that
in
cases
it's
really
important
to
take
all
of
that
into
consideration,
and
I
appreciate
the
fact
of
being
able
to
go
out
there
and
there
was
a
time
before
the
pandemic,
that
we
were
actually
on
site
all
the
time
and
we
can
actually
make
more
cognizant
decisions
and
have
more
opportunity
for
observations,
and
this
really
showed
me
the
importance
of
that
and
had
I
just
read
it
on
paper,
seen
it
on
the
diagram,
see
the
the
sun
studies
and
all
those
it's
not
the
same
as
being
there
and
watching
it,
and
I
must
say
that
if
it
was
my
home,
I
would
absolutely
want
to
protect
that
level
of
sun.
M
So
I'm
hoping
that
there's
going
to
be
an
opportunity
for
some
creativity
here
I
did
learn.
I
don't
miss
information
that
I
received
from
the
murphys.
I
did
learn
that
they're
trying
to
reach
out
to
you
they're,
making
every
effort
to
to
try
to
work
things
out
with
you.
I
know
that
no
one
was
living
there.
M
However,
they
have
not
been
reached
up,
and
I
think
that
some
of
this
could
be
mitigated
with
that
opportunity
of
having
that
discussion
with
you,
whether
I
mean
I'm
only
doing
this
from
them
from
one
side,
so
be
aware
that
I'm
not
making
a
judgment,
I'm
just
stating
a
piece
of
information
and
that
there
is
opportunity
to
have
a
creative
discussion,
and
they
know
that
this
is
a
tremendous
investment
in
your
time.
I
know
that
the
horrendous
dollars
that
it
takes
to
get
to
this
point.
M
However,
I
think
a
lifelong
decision
neighbors
and
I'm
always
a
believer
of
bringing
it
back
to
the
drawing
board
and
being
able
to
have
more
discussion
to
come
out
with
an
outcome
that
really
satisfies
two
parties
and
two
parties
are
going
to
be
living
next
to
each
other
for
a
very
very
long
time.
So
I'm
certainly
not
going
to
make
my
decision
or
express
my
decision
at
this
point,
but
I
do
want
to
convey
that
I
do
take
into
consideration
the
importance
of
that
sunlight
and
and
just
in
the
morning.
F
F
However,
if
you
look
at
very
clearly
during
the
winter
months,
regardless,
if
we
did
build
the
second
story
or
not,
they're
gonna
be
receiving
the
same
amount
of
shade
it's
the
same
during
the
summer,
they
won't
be
getting
some
shade
in
the
morning,
but
ultimately
it's
it's
going
to
be
about
the
same.
However,
once
we
get
to
here,
yes,
this
part
right
here,
this
section
this
will
be.
F
This
will
be
the
worst
case
scenario
for
them
during
that
time
of
year,
but
in
terms
of
the
impact
their
backyard
is
over
here,
it's
right
here
and
I
understand
that
they
have
their
whole
living
room
actually
designed
along
the
side
of
the
wall,
but
there
are
overhangs
over
here
already,
and
this
is
like
an
alleyway
just
something.
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
all
like
aware
of.
F
And
if
you
can
take
use
of
this
backyard
even
more,
it's
all
the
pictures,
there's
trees
here
and
things
this
is
not
utilized
yet
so
they're
viewing
their
backyard
for
sun
and
usage
is
really
right
here.
M
Through
the
chair,
if
I
I'm
just
not
going
by
memory
that
particular
area
that
you're
pointing
it's
a
little
harder
to
see
that
versus
using
a
pointer,
but
I
do
find
that
if
I
can
remember
that
that
was
a
that
was
a
cemented
patio
off
to
the
side
by
a
fireplace
it
was
not
even
quite
usable.
If
that's
the
area,
we
have.
F
I
actually
have
the
pictures
from
they
submitted
it
as
part
of
their
their
letter
and
it's
pretty
clear.
So
let
me
share
that
to
make
sure
we're
on
the
same
page.
F
Okay,
can
everybody
see
that
so
this
is
the
backyard?
Let
me
zoom
a
little
bit
more.
So
hold
everybody.
Let's
see,
let's
see
that.
F
All
right,
so
this
is
the
spot.
I'm
talking
about
right
here.
Let
me
see
if
I
can
zoom
a
little
more,
so
this
is
that
this
part
right
here
is
the
back
spot
at
the
very
back
corner
and
that
doesn't
really
get
affected
that
much,
but.
M
Okay,
if
you
can
leave
it,
just
work
that
that
grassy
arrow
is
really
what's
considered
their
backyard.
The
other
portion
is
gravel
and
the
trees,
but
their
entertaining
area
is
right.
Where
that
grass
it
extends
from
their
sun
room
to
the
end
of
that
grass
area
and
a
bit
out
into
the,
but
that
is
their
primary
backyard
where
that
greenery
is
on
on
the
ground
right.
I
I.
F
Understand
that
and
that's
where,
when
you
look
at
the
worst
state
case
scenario,
sun
diagram
like
that
area,
isn't
really
that
much
impacted
even
with
the
second
story,
is
what
I'm
trying
to
say.
M
F
F
So
that's
why
it's
important
to
look
at
the
worst
case
scenario,
because
you
can
make
a
case
for
any
point
in
time
of
day,
so
it's
best
to
choose
the
worst
case
and
then
just
only
analyze
that
and
so
that
there
is
like
so
everyone's
looking
at
the
same
worst
case
scenario.
F
M
F
Yeah-
and
I
just
want
to
bring
everybody
on
the
same
page
just
because
this
is
you
know,
third
go
and
things
can
get
wonky
at
this
point.
So
just
facts:
yeah.
J
You
know
what
I
am
through
the
chair.
I
think
commissioner
lincoln's
hand
was
up.
Oh
there's,
nothing,
I'm
happy
to
defer.
B
E
Thank
you.
I'd
normally
be
happy
to
let
you
go
first,
but
it
does.
It
does
relate
to
the
worst
case
scenario
in
the
shadowing
and
it's
my
understanding
that
the
noon
is
actually
noon.
E
Time
is
when
the
sun
highest
in
the
sky
and
casts
the
least
amount
of
shadow,
and
it's
going
to
be
the
morning
hours
where
we're
looking
at
the
worst
case
scenario
where
the
sun
is
going
to
be
behind
the
subject
lot
based
on
the
the
travel
of
the
sun,
and
it
seems
that
we
we
maybe
are
not
connecting
on
this
one.
F
E
F
E
F
E
E
Perhaps
the
shadow
that
would
be
cast
during
the
morning
time
would
have
a
greater
impact
on
somebody
who
wants
to
enjoy
the
light
through
their
living
room
windows,
whereas
you
know
perhaps
they
wouldn't
be
sitting
outdoors.
So
I
I
think
that
we
can't
value
a
shadow
over
the
house
any
less
than
a
shadow
over
the
yard.
E
I
guess
is
what
I'm
saying
and
the
longest
shadow
would
be
during
the
morning
hours,
which
is
not
shown
in
in
the
shadow
study,
and
I
and
I
do
recognize
the
shadow
study
was
optimal
and
you
did
step
up
and
do
that.
So
I
don't
want
to
discount
that.
But.
F
Yeah,
my
my
biggest
thing
is
a
usable
area,
so
a
value
of
the
space
is
defined.
How
well
it's
functioning
and
using
are
being
used
if
the
cat,
the
house
itself,
cast
as
a
shadow
on
the
shadow,
that's
being
casted
by
another
house.
Essentially
it's
just
it's
the
same
thing
unless
they're
having
coffee
on
top
of
the
roof.
I
don't
see
you
know
it's
like
it's
usable
space.
So
what
I'm
trying
to
say
is
that
the
shadow
cast
on
top
of
the
roof
is
not
usable
space.
F
The
fact
that
my
original
drawing
showed
their
house,
like
with
a
large
yard
that
that
would
be
a
worst
case
scenario
than
what
it
is
now.
A
Okay,
thank
you.
Yeah
no
problem
I'll
just
observe
that
as
someone
in
the
solar
industry
I
kind
of
like
sun
on
the
roof.
Sorry,
so
you
know,
I
said
this
is
this:
is
we
don't?
I
I
observed
the
last
meeting
and
I
will
make
a
point
again
that
you
know
like.
I
believe
we
should
update
our
guidelines
to
respect
that,
but
I
don't
think
it's
fair
to
expect
a
design
that
was
submitted
under
the
existing
guidelines
to
observe
a
guideline
that
wasn't
there.
A
J
Thank
you
lower
my
hand
here
now.
Mr
wong
quick
question
for
you.
J
So
a
couple
things,
so
I
appreciate
the
amount
of
time
that
you
and
the
applicant
have
putting
in
to
have
put
in
and
put
into
this,
and
you
know
the
commission
has
also
spent
a
lot
of
time
on
this
thinking
about
it
discussing
it
because
the
third
time
it's
in
front
of
us,
I
wanted
to
pick
up
on
something
that
commissioner
johnson
said
that
I
don't
think
you
responded
to
so
what
what
has
been
your
level
of
dialogue
and
interaction
with
the
murphys
I
you
know
I
haven't
talked
to
them.
I.
F
Mean
to
be
fully
honest,
I
didn't
know
they
were
trying
to
contact
me
either.
My
phone
number
is
on
the
drawings,
so
I
know
I
to
be
honest.
I,
like
nobody
was
in
that
house
before
when
we
started
the
design
process
and
by
the
time,
oh,
we,
you
know
we
knew
they
were
there.
I
knew
it
there
because
I
lived
there.
F
I
don't
know
that
somebody
has
moved
into
the
neighbor's
house
was
when
we
had
the
first
meeting,
and
by
that
time
I
mean
everybody
was
fairly
up
in
arms
already,
and
it's
it's
gotten
much
further
than
that.
So
I
apologize
for
not
having
the
courage
to
walk
over
there
and
ask
him.
You
know
what
to
do
but
fairly
along
in
the
process,
and
I
think
at
this
point
it's
like,
I
feel,
like
we've
done
everything
properly.
F
We've
tried
our
best.
I
think
it's
just
an
unfortunate
situation.
If
we
were
to
have
met
the
first
day,
then
things
might
have
changed,
but
the
fact
remains
that
it
was
an
empty
house
and
I
know
I
didn't.
I
didn't
even
know
that
somebody
moved
in
the
first
time
I
heard
about
them.
Is
at
the
first
commission
review
meeting
and
by
that
time
again
it
was.
It
was
fairly,
you
know,
anyways.
I
hope
that
answers
the
question.
B
J
E
Hi,
I
know
you're
so
tired
of
hearing
from
me,
but
I
did
actually
find
some
verbage
specific
to
solar
panels
in
the
design
guidelines
on
the
city's
website.
I
got
real
familiar
with
it
today
and
in
section
3.12.2,
it's
it's
a
section
talking
about
design
with
sensitivity
to
adjacent
neighbors
and
the
second
point
on
that
said
avoid
planting
tall
trees
that
would
block
sunlight
from
the
neighbors
windows,
private
outdoor
space
or
solar
panels.
A
A
So
we,
our
our
guidelines,
do
not
advise
on
shading
the
roof
for
hypothetical
future
panels.
Our
current
standards,
as
it
only
concerns
existing
installations
and,
as
I
said,
I
think
we
should
change
that.
But
my
understanding
of
the
current
standards
is
that
we
do
not
have
any
kind
of
standard
around
hypothetical
future
solar
installations.
A
D
N
Hello,
my
name
is
patricia
murphy
and
I
live
at
1251
claremont.
I
want
to
start
off
by
saying
that
facts
are
important.
The
diagrams
should
not
be
subjective,
they
should
be
accurate
and
I'm
sorry.
I
disagree
with
what
most
of
what
mr
wong
has
said
to
me:
we're
a
family
that
simply
wants
to
enjoy
our
new
home
in
our
neighborhood.
We
did
not
want
to
have
to
expend
the
resources
we
have
to
date
and
we
had
no
other
choice.
N
These
plans
set
forth
will
unreasonably
restrict
and
interfere
with
the
light
and
air
in
our
property
building
a
looming
wall
four
feet.
One
inch
from
our
property
line
that
cast
shadows
on
our
house
for
multiple
hours
of
the
day
for
the
majority
of
the
year
is
unreasonable
in
any
standard,
especially
when
there
are
other
options
for
this
project
design.
N
N
N
Sunlight
is
a
critical
function
to
element
of
our
enjoyment
of
the
house
to
a
heat
source
and
the
health
of
the
occupants
of
our
home.
The
majority
of
windows,
the
living
room,
the
dining
room,
the
both
bathrooms,
my
daughter's
room,
our
bedroom,
is
a
light
source
for
this
house.
From
this
side
of
the
house,
we
understand
that
zoom
meetings
and
covered
restrictions
have
made
in-person
meetings
and
site
visits
challenging,
but
we
will
welcome
anyone
else
that
wants
to
come
to
our
site,
and
we
appreciate
the
commissioners
that
have
come
and
conducted
site
visits
today.
N
N
We
respectfully
ask
this
commission
to
reject
the
architect's
proposal
due
to
its
discrepancies
that
make
it
possible
to
rely
on
the
accuracy
of
these
drawings.
We
also
want
the
commission
to
reject
the
daylight
plane
option
chosen
by
this
architect
chosen
by
the
circuit,
the
san
bruno
residential
design,
guidelines
regarding
daylight
planes
states.
The
planning
commission
has
the
authority
to
project
these
architects,
those
and
daylight
sites
plan
size.
L
B
A
couple
of
comments
I
want
to
bring
up
the
the
the
design
guidelines
of
the
city
clearly
say
that
the
design
should
be
done
in
a
matter
of
sympathetic
to
nearby
houses.
A
daylight
plane
would
certainly,
if
it
were
implemented
here,
would
certainly
mitigate
this.
B
I
I
don't
know
if
you
saw
it,
but
I
submitted
a
couple
of
solutions
that
that
I
feel
would
would
certainly
work
and
look
much
better.
I
do
have
an
argument
with
the
architect
that
he
said
the
cost
would
be
significantly
higher
because
if
he
were
to
move
that
wall
over,
I
do
this
business
all
the
time.
It
would
be
a
small
percentage
of
the
money
they're
going
to
be
spending
on
this
edition
and
remodel
a
very
small
percentage.
I
do
designs
like
this
all
the
time.
B
I
couldn't
disagree
with
the
architect
more,
that
this
is
the
worst
case
scenario
that
he
did
at
noon.
That's
the
best
case
scenario
that
he
did.
I
don't
know
if
he's
trying
to
be
deceiving,
but
but
definitely
he
it
was
done
in
in
his
interest
and
not
the
interest
of
the
neighbor
worst
case
scenario
would
be
what
most
architects
do
is.
It
was
brought
up
by
one
of
the
planning
commissioners
and
that
you
would
do
a
sun
study
at
9,
00
a.m,
noon
and
3
p.m.
B
He
did
not
do
one
at
9
00
a.m
and
there's
no
way
that,
after
reviewing
this
that
the
sun
shadow
is
better
than
before.
I
also
noticed
that
when
he
was
asked
by
planning
commission
if
he
considered
the
floor
levels,
differences
between
the
two,
he
said
a
lot
of
work
that
he
never
answered.
The
question.
B
B
I
just
want
to
say
that,
even
though
it's
a
hassle
to
redesign
it
now,
whatever
he
does
now,
the
neighbors
have
to
live
with
for
the
next
30
40
50
years,
so
a
few
months
that
he
might
have
to
do
or
a
few
weeks
of
redesigning.
This
thing
is
certainly
going
to
help
out
in
the
years
to
come
when
this
was
permanently
built.
Thank
you
very
much.
D
Thank
you.
I
was
encouraging
to
hear
the
comments
about
the
shade
study,
but
I
still
feel
that
that
initial
picture,
that's
you
know
that
the
architect
submitted
that
he
agrees
now
show
doesn't
show
the
property
in
the
way
it
actually
is
as
large.
It
is
and
as
far
as
it
comes
over
toward
the
other
house,
that's
shape.
Study
is
still
wrong.
I
mean
it
says
that
it's
supposed
to
be.
It
can
be
44
feet.
44
feet
is
it's
a
50-foot
lot
right?
It
would
be
clearly
across
the
whole
most
of
that
lot.
D
So
I
I
just
don't
accept
that
that's
valid.
I
think
it's
much
worse
than
that,
but
then
there
have
been
all
these
problems
that
we've
seen
alone
in
terms
of
getting
correct
information.
It's
been
very
difficult
to
get
correct
information.
Last
time
mr
wong
told
us
he'd
been
working
on
this
for
a
year,
but
the
house
was
only
purchased
at
may
27th.
D
A
If
people
are
seating
time
to
other
speakers,
we
want
to
like
accumulate.
I
don't
know
how
do
you
have
what
what
is
our
policy
on
that?
Mr
zesterano.
H
Sorry,
mr
chair,
thank
you
for
the
question
so
generally
there
there
is
not
an
opportunity
for
individuals
to
add
time
to
other
speakers.
Everybody
gets
three
minutes
and
they're
welcome
to
take
all
of
those
three
minutes.
If
they'd
like.
O
Yes,
thank
you
hi,
I'm
yolanda
yang,
I
live
at
1241
clermont,
two
houses
away
from
the
proposed
project.
I've
lived
in
this
neighborhood
for
about
16
years
and
I
did
write
a
letter
to
the
planning
commission,
which
was
submitted
in
a
package
that
the
murphy
household
at
1251
claremont
submitted.
O
I
am
reiterating
my
primary
concern
from
last
month
because
I
do
have
several
new
points.
My
primary
concern
is
with
the
proposed
second
story.
Addition
is
that
it
will
significantly
and
permanently
block
the
sunlight
and
sunshine,
as
has
been
discussed
tonight.
I'm
not
just
talking
about
sunlight
at
noon,
as
was
shown
in
the
drawings.
O
Having
sunlight
and
sunshine
significantly
blocked
does
cause
a
significant
negative
impact
to
1251
claremont
with
regard
to
their
overall
quality
of
life.
It
will
decrease
their
property
value
and
it
may
even
increase
risks
of
serious
health
issues
such
as
depression
in
the
in
the
winter,
with
seasonal,
affective
disorder,
which
for
which
there
is
a
well-known
association.
O
As
has
been
raised
earlier
tonight,
the
there
have
been
inaccuracies
in
what
was
stated
by
the
architect
last
month.
The
architect
said
that
they
had
been
working
on
the
project
for
a
year,
as
one
of
our
neighbors
has
already
mentioned.
And
yes,
the
house
in
question
was
sold
in
late
may,
so
it
couldn't
have
been
a
project
in
the
making
for
a
year.
O
The
commission
chair
last
month
said
that
if
the
concerns
had
been
raised
earlier
that
the
commission
maybe
would
have
been
able
to
ask
the
the
project
to
turn
that
proposed
second
story
by
90
degrees,
but
that
it
was
too
late
in
the
process
to
ask
it
now.
I
feel
that
some
of
these
inaccuracies
and
the
re-evaluation
of
the
time
frame
of
events
is
a
reason
to
reconsider.
O
I
also
think
that
it's
really
important,
as
has
been
raised
about
that
violation
of
the
required
setback
from
the
fence.
I
know
that
the
house
has
been
grandfathered
in
in
terms
of
the
setback
violation,
but
I
really
think
that
that
needs
to
be
grounds
for
being
especially
careful
to
avoid
the
foreseeable
significant
negative
impact
to
the
neighbor
and,
as
you
know,
as
we
have
been
discussing,
all
of
these
things
really,
I
think,
are
in
violation
of
the
spirit
of
the
san
bernardino
housing
guidelines.
B
Okay,
thank
you
and
mark
I'm
glad
you're.
Here
I
want
to
state
for
the
record
that
we
were
told
at
the
last
meeting
that
we
could
give
our
minutes
to
somebody
else
to
speak.
I
believe
mr
murphy
was
was
told
that,
and
now
we're
being
told,
we
can't
that's
a
problem
with
the
process
and,
frankly,
there's
several
problems
with
the
process
that
the
planning
department
has
imposed
on
the
planning
commission.
I'd
like
to
talk
to
you
about
it
sometime,
but
not
now,
for
the
record,
I
did
not
get
a
postcard
notice.
B
B
There's
been
discussion
of
the
patio,
the
patio
was
a
structural
part
of
the
original
design
of
those
two
houses
that
are
the
the
murphys
and
the
one.
Next
to
them.
I
looked
at
those
houses
in
1979
when
we
bought
our
house
here,
but
the
whole
thing
about
the
process.
Here,
it's
been
like
peeling,
an
onion
each
time
you
find
some
thing.
You
find
something
else.
If
you
take
the
layer
of
the
onion
off
and
what
we
found
is
error
after
air.
B
I
have
trouble
assigning
credibility
to
the
current
shade
study.
It
was
presented
at
the
last
minute,
as
has
other
things
that
have
not
been
in
the
board
packets
or
the
packets,
for
the
planning
commission
and
that's
something
that's
happened
from
the
very
beginning.
B
Staff
work
needs
to
be
improved.
I
think
the
planning
commission's
entitled
to
better
staff
work-
things
like
this
should
have
been
resolved
at
the
very
beginning,
and
you
shouldn't
be
wasting
your
time
on
this.
I
also
want
to
go
into
a
comment
that
was
made
by
one
of
the
commissioners
about
the
homes
built
after
the
fire
and
explosion
and
about
their
size.
There's
no
home
down
there,
that's
anywhere
near
the
size
of
this
one.
B
After
the
addition,
two
people
down
there
have
managed
to
build
five
bedroom
homes
on
a
much
smaller
total
square
footage
footprint,
and
if
they
can
do
it,
you
can
do
it,
but
the
bottom
line
is
the
expire.
Explosion
was
a
tragic
event
and
forced
the
people
to
rebuild.
They
didn't
want
to
build
a
new
house.
They
wanted
to
live
on
the
one
they
had,
but
unfortunately
it
was
taken
from
them.
B
Finally,
there's
been
a
lot
of
talk
about
whether
these
are
guidelines
or
they're,
not
guidelines
at
one
time
you
send
something
back.
You
say
you
redesign
it
in
accordance
with
the
guidelines
other
times
you
say
well,
they're
only
guidelines,
and
we
can't
really
follow
them.
I
I
think
you
need
to
the
city,
needs
to
make
a
decision
about
how
serious
they
are
about
their
guidelines.
B
I
visited
the
murphy's
house,
I've
known
the
I
knew
the
owner
of
the
previous,
the
previous
owner
of
the
other
house.
I've
worked
with
him
30
years
ago,
so
I'm
familiar
with
that
one.
I
would
encourage
this
planning
department
to
visit
the
homes
that
are
affected
by
this,
and
I
applaud
the
planning
commission
for
doing
so.
L
D
Betty
can
you
hear
us?
Yes,
yes,
go
ahead.
Well,
I'm
betty
coons.
I
live
at
12,
30
claremont
drive
and
I
have
lived
here
since
1974,
so
that
gives
me
quite
a
while
that
I've
been
here
and
I've.
Never
I've
known
several
residents,
who've
lived
in
that
house
and
I
have
never
had
them
feel
that
they
needed
more
room.
I'm
concerned
with
this
is
a
young
couple
with
one
child
and
they
need
all
that
room
for
one
child.
D
My
goodness
we
had
three
children
in
our
house,
and
so
I
just
think
it's
a
little
unfair
for
them
to
feel
like.
Oh,
we
have
to
have
a
bigger
house
and
since
they've
bought
this
in
in
may
they
don't
keep
up
the
yard,
it's
a
mess
and
they
don't
have
it
mowed
or
anything
which,
when
I
was
living
here
when
I
first
moved
in,
we
got
a
notice
from
the
city
that
we
needed
to
mow
our
lawn.
D
I
was
home
with
three
young
children
and
a
husband
that
traveled
so
I'm
kind
of
concerned
about
that,
and
I
do
agree
with
everyone.
The
architect
seems
to
be
changing.
Everything
from
time
to
time.
Did
he
come
to
this
project
at
first
and
look
at
the
project
and
take
pictures
then?
Or
did
he
wait
till
he
had
a
good
deal
going?
I'm
sorry,
it
just
is
unfair
to
the
murphys.
D
They
just
bought
their
house.
They
haven't
lived
there
very
long.
I
knew
the
lady
lived
there
before
sweet
lady
and
I
loved
going
to
her
house,
because
you
could
sit
and
look
and
sit
inside
and
still
see
the
sun
outside
the
way
they're
going.
There
won't
be
any
sun,
so
I
think
you
really
need
to
get
your
act
together
at
the
planning
commission.
Maybe
it
does
mean
we
need
to
take
some
changes
because
there's
lots
of
things
going
on,
but
don't
make
them
fight
this
battle
on
their
own.
This
is
not
fair
to
them.
L
My
husband
and
I
have
lived
here
for
over
20
years
in
the
san
bruno
christmas
ii
area
and
we
walk
around
the
neighborhood
just
about
three
times
a
day,
walking
our
dogs
and
we
can't
help
but
notice
that
a
lot
of
these
homes
have
less
than
a
less
than
five
foot
setback
in
many
of
the
homes
around
here
in
the
neighborhood,
and
so
with
this
regard
for
the
sun,
shading
of
even
with
what
the
murphys
have
is,
what
and
between
their
house
and
their
next
doors
house,
four
foot
setback,
and
so
I'm
just
wondering
well
with
those
many
challenges.
L
There
will
be
many
challenges.
If
my
next
door
neighbor
were
to
want
to
build
another
level
on
their
house
and
want
to
block
my
son
and
with
you
know
many
homes
that
are
less
than
three
foot
setbacks,
then
you're
gonna
have
you
know,
and
someone
else
won
are
those
all
going
to
be
approved.
Then,
with
disregard
to
the
shading
guideline.
L
I
just
you
know
wondering
if
it's
a
you
know
and
and
if
the
murphys
say,
for
example,
someone
wants
to
put
a
second
level
next
to
their
house
and
they
want
to
put
in
solar
panels.
You
know
how
are
they
going
to
come?
You
know,
accomplish
you
know
getting
solar
energy
when
the
sun
is
being
blocked.
L
That's
just
not
right.
You
know.
I
just
want
the
planning
commission
to
take
into
consideration
that
you
know
setbacks
are
very
important
and
if
they
want,
if
next
door
neighbor
wants
to
build
a
second
story
and
block
my
son,
then
you
know
it's
very,
very
devastating
to
their
property
value
to
their
quality
of
life.
And
you
know,
I
don't
think
you
know,
I
don't
think
that's
fair
at
all
so
and
I
think
guidelines
should
be
set.
L
As
of
this
point
forward,
not
you
know
after
this
point,
so
this
model
raised
a
very
big
concern
looming
over
a
lot
of
the
neighbors,
with
less
than
five
feet
set
back
and
that's
my
point.
Thank
you.
A
A
K
The
shading
is
less
impactful
because
the
houses
are
closer
together.
I
that
that
is
quite
a
statement
and
we
do
not
have
slab
on
gray.
We
have
crawl
space
so
and
then
he
also
said
that
we
get
the
same.
K
We
get
the
same
amount
of
shadow
in
the
winter
with
their
store.
Their
house
now
is
the
first
story,
as
we
would.
If
their
house
is
a
second
story,
no,
we
don't
have
an
alleyway,
also
in
though
he
said
he
found
out
about
us
in
november,
after
his
first
set
of
plans
was
rejected
due
to
major
consistencies
with
the
design
guidelines
he
could
have
reached
out
to
us,
then,
to
ask
us
our
opinion
on
things.
K
K
That
is
not
factored
into
the
shadow
study
and
the
reason
that's
important
is
because
higher
elevation
casts
longer
shadows
than
something
that's
the
same
elevation
regarding
the
property
owner,
mr
lee,
he
stated
on
the
november
4th
call
that
he
was
willing
to
meet
with
his
neighbors
discuss
their
concerns.
K
He
said
we're
definitely
open
to
speak
to
any
of
our
neighbors
and
seeing
how
we
could
work,
not
intrude
in
your
space
in
terms
of
visual
design.
I
texted
mr
lee
about
having
this
conversation
with
the
concerned.
Neighbors,
no
response,
I
even
texted
him
that
we
at
least
one
other
neighbor,
were
willing
to
pitch
in
to
help
him
fray
the
cost
of
the
redesign,
no
response.
K
K
As
you
know,
we
took
the
architectural
plans
to
some
of
to
another
architect
and
you've
heard
some
of
those.
In
the
beginning,
it
was
discussed
the
the
distance
from
the
property
line
to
our
side
wall
on
his
plans
was
fourteen
six.
Actually,
ten
two.
I
think
that
makes
a
difference
in
the
shadow
study
additionally
sheet.
A
three
point:
four
shows
you
know
the
plate
line
that
outer
wall
that
would
face
our
property
as
seven
foot.
Six
and
mr
wong
does
not
provide
measurements
for
the
floor
to
frame
height
of
the
second
story
windows.
K
I
don't
think
they're
going
to
be
very
high.
His
comment
was
quote:
we
put
those
as
high
as
possible
if
anything
from
the
inside
we'll
be
looking
into
the
clouds,
you
won't
be
looking
at
the
backyard
of
anybody's
house.
I
don't
think
that's
true.
Those
windows
don't
look
very
high
and
it'll
directly
back
down
upon
our
backyard.
K
Regarding
the
shadow
study,
one
the
shadows
by
the
second
story-
deck
are
unaccounted
for,
so
are
the
longer
shadows
from
the
higher
foundation.
They're
unaccounted
for.
His
inputs
for
distance
between
the
two
houses
are
inaccurate.
His
orientation
is
off
at
10
degrees.
That's
in
the
packet,
the
rear
to
front
side
yard,
lock
direction
is
shown
at
48
degrees,
east
of
north.
On
his
study
for
google
earth,
it
is
approximately
58
degrees,
east
of
north,
and
you
know,
number
five.
The
shadow
study,
as
has
been
said,
only
accounts
for
surname.
K
That
is
when
the
sun
is
highest
and
the
impact
is
the
least.
So
you
know
it
does
not
show
the
impact
for
morning
hours.
K
And
then
I
had
a
question
for
the
staff.
If,
if
you
guys
could
please
outline
your
processing
criteria
used
to
evaluate
a
project,
are
you
simply
taking
the
architect's
plans
of
face
value?
Is
there
a
process
of
verification
for
the
information
contained
in
the
architectural
plans?
So
could
you
elaborate
on
that.
A
Well,
I
think
you're
technically
over
it
in
view
of
there
were,
was
a
desire
by
some
others
to
see
that
we
are
letting
that
slide.
L
Hi,
some
of
you
have
probably
met
me
but
to
those
who
don't
stella
un
murphy.
I
would
like
to
say
these
things
in
me
and
my
job's
defense
on
the
weekend.
Weekend
days,
my
my
dog
loves
to
be
in
the
sun
and
she
sticks
my
little
tongue
out.
Now,
that's
for
my
opinion
for
my
dog,
here's
mine,
the
construction
closer
to
my
room
than
any
other
room.
L
N
Thank
you
good
evening.
I
am
carolyn.
I
live
on.
Fairmont
drive
two
doors
down
from
the
proposed
project,
and
I
do
also
agree
that
it
appears
to
be
an
unreasonably
overshadowing
of
the
house
next
door.
I'm
also
concerned
about
the
very
large
deck
not
only
looking
into
the
home
on
the
1181
fairmont
drive,
but
the
potential
to
look
into
quite
a
few
backyards
that
are
all
very
close
together
in
that
area
you'd.
I
don't
know
if
all
of
you
realize
that
the
homes
and
along
that
entire
area
are
all
single
story.
N
Homes-
and
you
know
the
the
proposed
property
is-
is
quite
large.
It
looks
like
a
giant
hotel
going
up
on
the
corner,
it
does
it
doesn't
match,
but
I
really
feel
for
the
murphys
and
I
think
I
would
be
devastated
if
that
gigantic
building
was
going
up
next
door.
So
I
just
wanted
to
voice
my
concern
and
and
my
hope
that
this
can
be
resigned
in
a
way
that
is
a
lot
more
aesthetically,
pleasing
and
matching
to
the
neighborhood.
A
Here
I
do
see
mr
wong's
hand
up,
but
I'm
not
sure
it's
appropriate
to
engage
in
a
back
and
forth.
I
don't
know
if
mark
has
an
opinion
on
that.
I
think
we've
we've
had
our
conversation
with
the
applicant
at
this
point
and
we
should
be
moving.
You
know,
closing
the
public
hearing
and
moving
on
to
our
final
discussion.
A
H
Say
that
if
mr
wong
has
anything
else
to
say
at
this
time
he
can
he
should
be
allowed.
H
Well,
no
he's
the
he's
the
applicant's
architect
and
so
he's
he's
the
applicant
okay.
So
I
would
provide
him
with
an
opportunity
to
respond,
but
okay
other
other
than
that.
I
would
close
it
off
at
that
point.
So
you
don't
get
into
the
back
and
forth
that
I
think
okay.
A
H
Of
the
of
the
testimony.
F
Can
everybody
hear
me?
Oh
good,
okay,
yeah!
No!
This
is
actually
not
a
comment
from
me.
It's
actually
from
the
owner.
So
I
just
wanna
say
this
is
from
kevin
and
just
to
clarify
one
of
the
things
that
was
incorrect
was
that
he
didn't
try
to
communicate
with
the
neighbors.
He
actually
did.
He
sent
everyone
a
letter
with
his
information
and
when
that
was
done,
the
only
thing
that
he
got
returned
was
the
petition
against
his
house,
and
that
was
that
was
it.
F
So
I
just
want
to,
and
that's
factual,
that's
there's
like
the
letter.
It's
so
that's
when,
and
the
last
thing
I
want
to
put
in
is
like
we
need
to
like
stick
to
the
facts.
Just
stick
to
the
facts.
Okay,
that's
it
that's
all!
I
got.
A
All
right,
I
don't
see,
see
any
hands
of
anyone
that
has
not
spoken
at
this
time.
Shall
we
have
a
motion
to
close
the
public
session
and
then
we
can
bring
it
back
between
staff
and
the
commission.
B
G
A
A
couple
times
runs
from
the
commission
and
once
from
a
commenter,
I
guess
I
am
a
little
concerned
about
about
the
question
of
sort
of
like
where
the
responsibility
lies
for
ensuring
that
some
of
these
measurements
are
are
accurate,
and
again
I
mean
part
of
that
is
that
some
of
this
stuff
is
optional,
that
some
of
this
stuff
was
not
required
to
be
done
at
all,
and
so
perhaps
there
wasn't
the
same
attention
to
validating
those
measurements
as
if
it
was
something
that
was,
you
know,
validate
the
mandatory
things
and
not
so
much
the
optional
things,
but
I
guess
like
what
the
I
am
sort
of
curious
to
understand
like
how
much
can
I,
as
a
commissioner,
rely
on
the
document
put
in
front
of
me.
A
You
know
the
angles
on
it
at
least
suggested
you
know
sort
of
better
afternoon
sun
than
we
might
have
expected
it's
mostly
impact
in
the
morning,
but
then
there
you
know
our
questions
raised,
of
how
accurate
that
is,
and
I
suppose
we
don't
you
know
we
don't
want
a
situation
where
the
staff
can
be
flooded
with
just
you
know:
infinite
work
for
a
relatively
you
know,
it's
a
residential
project.
It's
a
the
staff,
does
not
have
the
bandwidth
to
go
out
and
take
separate
measurements.
H
I
may
mr
chair
just
very
briefly
address
that,
so
I
think
the
the
theoretical
question
of
who's
responsible
for
for
what
is
really
less
important
than
the
question.
That's
for
you
this
evening,
which
is
simply
what
evidence
is
there
in
the
record
that
either
supports
findings
that
are
in
your
staff
report
or
does
not
support
those
findings,
and
you
might
reasonably
determine
that
because
of
certain
inaccuracies
that
the
findings
are
not
supported.
A
Okay,
thank
you.
Were
there
any
further
questions
from
commissioners.
E
I
I
do
have
comments.
I
don't
have
any
questions
but
as
I
was,
you
know
thinking
about
this
and
really
studying
in
on
the
design
guidelines,
because
I
I'm
kind
of
embarrassed
to
say
I
have
really
relied
on
staff
in
the
past
to
both
present
the
municipal
code.
So
the
you
know
the
definite
requirements
that
are
are
needed
for
these
projects
and
then
I've
not
thoroughly
read
letter
by
letter,
the
design
guidelines,
I've
browsed
them
and
I've.
Let
staff
present
them
as
they
relate
each
project.
E
But
this
one
really
really
prompted
me
to
sit
down
with
the
website
and
really
look
through
and
kind
of,
tease
out
what
I
think
these
design
guidelines
mean
to
us
and
in
the
decision-making
process,
and
you
know,
as
they're
written
you
know,
it
says,
while
the
zoning
ordinance
establishes
firm
standards
subject
to
variances
under
special
conditions,
the
city's
other
adopted
ordinances
require
more
discretionary
review
and
I
think
that's
why
we're
here
right,
because
if,
if
every
you
know,
if
every
code
was
met
by
every
project-
and
that
was-
and
there
were
no
design
guidelines,
we
wouldn't
be
here
really
to
exercise
our
discretion
right.
E
I
mean,
with
the
exception
of
you,
know,
exemptions
and
things,
but
I
I'm
what
I'm
kind
of
feeling
recently
is
that
these
design
guidelines
are
just
as
important
as
as
many
a
codes
and
and
as
I
was
going
through
them.
E
I
really
I
found
really
a
what
that
indicates
to
me
that
the
the
project
as
as
designed,
doesn't
conform
to
the
letter
or
the
spirit,
as
people
said,
of
the
design
guidelines
and
there
are
illustrations,
literal
drawings
and
examples
in
the
design
guidelines
that
that
show
situations
just
like
this,
where
there's
a
true
story
proposed
next
to
a
one
story,
and
that
there
should
be
a
side
that
back
a
significant
side
setback
so
that
there
is
consideration
given
to
the
existing
home.
E
E
I
I
think
it'd
be
detrimental
to
the
comfort
of
the
adjacent
neighbors
at
1251.
Claremont
and
also
to
1181
fairmont,
even
though
we
haven't
really
heard
from
them
because
of
the
significant
impact
on
on
daylight
sky
exposure,
sun
access
and
and
privacy,
primarily
for
the
fairmont
address
and
same
thing
for
and
same
for.
Let's
see
here
I
mean
it's
a
new
municipal
code
that
was
in
the
one
of
the
other
findings.
E
I
I
think
that
it
unreasonably
restricts
again.
The
light
will
impair
the
value
of
the
adjacent
property,
and
I
do
I
do
feel
like
the
the
height
with
the
higher
ceiling
plates
is
not
consistent
with
the
other
ones
in
the
area
which
are
more
of
a
low
profile
ranch
or
the
occasional
iclear-esque
home.
E
Like
the
murphy's
home,
you
know
I
could
kind
of
go
on
for
a
little
while,
but
but
I
I
personally
don't
feel
like
this
is
an
appropriate
design
and
I
actually
really
do
like
the
idea
that
was
proposed
by
the
architect
forgotten.
His
name
at
the
moment
is
mr
leslie.
E
I
felt
like
that
was
a
really
interesting
line
of
consideration.
He
actually,
instead
of
pivoting
the
addition
90
degrees,
he
considered
an
l-shape.
E
Addition
on
the
upper
story
with
a
significant
setback
that
I
think
would
mitigate
a
lot
of
the
concerns
with
light
and
air
and
sun
and
sky.
E
I
have
more
but
I'll,
let
other
commissioners
kind
of
chime
in
and
I'll
I'll
pitch
in.
If
there's
any
more
that,
I
would
like
to
say
mr
morgan.
B
B
I
think
the
design
as
it
is,
would
it
be
it's
so
close
to
the
morphe
residents
that
it
this
two-story
straight
wall.
There
would
overshadow
that
properly
completely
and
it
would
be
overpowering.
I
certainly
wouldn't
like
it
and
I
think
it
would
devalue
their
home.
So
I
I
don't
like,
maybe
not
in
favor
of
this
design,.
A
Do
you
have
any
other
commissioners
wanting
to
add
anything
at
this
time?
M
Well,
you
know,
and-
and
I
mean
I
do-
support
my
commissioner's
points
of
view-
quite
intelligent,
looking
at
all
the
all
the
thinking
behind
it
and
looking
at
the
neighbor's
house
on
fairmont
it,
it
didn't
appear
from
a
point
of
intrusion,
it's
on
the
side
and
it
didn't
appear.
That
was
as
big
of
an
issue
as
it
is
on
the
on
the
murphy
side,
but
that,
I
think,
is
a
is
an
issue
I
do.
M
I
don't
know,
maybe
I'm
just
you
know
on
the
optimistic
side,
I'd
like
to
think
that
since
the
murphys
want
to
continue
to
have
this
guy
are
open
to
having
discussion.
It
looks
like
mr
wong
may
not
be,
however,
certainly
not
to
his
advantage.
M
He
not
you
know
to
not
be
willing
to
be
open
to
create
good
neighbor
opportunities.
M
M
It
could
be
a
win-win.
Is
that
worth
the
investment
to
do
that?
So
I
just
I
just
posed
that
thought
out
there
for
tossing
it
around
for
thinking
about
it.
So
that's
why
I
am
right
now,
trying
to
you
know
I
always
try
to
figure
out.
If
is
there
a
way,
a
possibility
that
it
could
be
an
opportunity
for
a
better
solution
that
comes
through
them?
M
B
I
just
want
to
add
that
it's
a
lot
less
expensive
to
change
the
design
on
paper
that
isn't
reality.
So
that's
right.
A
M
A
There
we
go
yeah,
I
know
I
had
to.
I
had
to
move
room
because
the
microwave
interferes
with
my
internet
and
I
think
when
I
moved
back
at
dj
boys.
In
any
case,
you
know.
A
A
A
You
know
I
mean
it's
normal
for
r1
neighborhoods
to
have
some
two-story
houses
in
them.
You
know
like
that's
pretty
common
throughout
the
town
throughout
california.
You
know
we.
We
see
these
second-story
editions
regularly,
as
you
know,
as
you
know,
and
they're
they're
generally
not
controversial,
but
I
do
you
know
between
the
the
measurement
issues
and
just
you
know,
as
I
said
the
last
month
and
it
just.
It
really
does
seem
clear
that.
A
This
is
going
to
you
know.
This
is
going
to
impair
a
significant
portion
of
the
productive
hours
for
potential
solar,
which
isn't
you
know
it's
not
in
our
code,
but
you
know
people's
enjoyment
of
the
mornings
on
through
their
windows
and
potential
productivity.
It
is
at
least
a
concern,
and
so
I
really.
I
really
hope
that
over
the
next
you
know
the
coming
year
issue.
A
We
can
figure
out
a
way
to
make
these
guidelines
more
objective
and
clearer,
but
it's
a
for
me
at
least
a
fairly
difficult
decision
around
the
degree
to
which
there
should
be
discretion
over
this
sort
of
thing
that
that
I
think
we
we
really
would
like
designers
to
have
more
certainty,
rather
than
it
being
a
matter
of
people's
taste.
A
That
said
it,
I
am
getting
the
impression
that
there
is
not
a
majority
to
approve
these
permits.
Having
heard
from
the
commissioners-
and
so
I
think
the
question
is
assuming-
that
is
the
case,
which
it
certainly
looks
like
how
do
we
ensure
that,
when
this
project
comes
back,
that
it
comes
back
in
a
form
that
we
can't
approve-
and
I
don't
know
if
staff
or
mr
zapperano
has
any
thoughts
around
that?
Oh
I
see
a
hand
from
commissioner.
I
Yeah,
well,
one
way
is
to
vote.
No,
no,
I
know
that's
gonna
start
the
process
over
for
this
architect
and
the
homeowner,
and
I
don't
know
if
there's
a
way
that
the
staff
could
wave,
if
there's
any
kind
of
reapplication
fee
that
they
have
to
go
through
or
something.
But
to
me,
it's
very
obvious
that
when
you
go
out
to
the
site,
this
is
the
murphys
side
yard,
which
is
really
in
the
backyard
most
homes
that
we
look
at
they're,
surrounded
by
houses
on
both
sides
and
their
backyard
is
in
the
rear.
I
I
As
most
of
you
know,
I'm
an
engineer.
I've
designed
lots
of
houses.
Yes,
there
will
be
a
cost
increase
to
to
have
to
set
those
walls
back
from
the
walls
below
not
to
stack
them,
but
guess
what
that's
what
everyone
has
to
do
in
almost
every
other
city?
To
do
what
they
want
to
do
to
their
houses,
so
to
me,
I'm
all
for
letting
this
architect
and
homeowner
redesign
their
house
to
conform
with
something
that
is
in
line
with
the
standards,
the
the
guidelines.
I
There
are
very
simple
things
that
could
be
done
here
to
help
this
out
with
my
costs,
and
if
that
means,
I
have
to
vote
no
on
this
to
do
it,
I'm
prepared
to
vote
no
on
it.
If
there's
a
way
to
continue
this
great,
I
don't
know
if
that's
going
to
prolong
this
even
more
or
you
know-
maybe
just
saying
no
at
this
point
in
time
is,
is
a
way
to
set
the
message
that
you
know
things
need.
There
needs
to
be
a
major
redesign
on
this
job.
I
I
I
J
B
A
Oh,
do
we
sorry,
I
I
just
your
hand
was
up
commissioner
johnson.
M
I
just
want
to
post
one
other
another
thought
out
there
a
couple
things
you
know
the
applicant
can
appeal
to
the
city
council
and
it
could
be
approved
and,
and
the
other
thought
is
with
the
apple
could
be
willing
to
come
back
with
a
redesign,
and
I
I'm
wondering
if
we
brought
him
back
on,
would
he
be
open
to
that?
He
might
just
say
you
know
what
I'm
willing
to
come
back
with
a
redesign
simply
because
denial
could
be
worse.
M
A
Well,
I
think
at
this
time
we
have
a
motion
on
the
floor.
I
don't
know
if
mr
zapparano
has
an
opinion
on
whether
we
should
simply
call
a
vote,
or
you
know,
have
further
discussion.
H
So
there
is
a
motion
and
I
believe,
a
second
that's
appropriate
now
to
take
any
additional
discussion
from
planning
commissioners,
I
see
there's
at
least
one
other
hand
up
and
then
based
on
that
discussion,
the
person
who
made
the
motion
could
request
that
the
question
be
called
to
vote
on
the
motion
or
somebody
could
make
a
substitute
motion,
for
example,
and
that
would
take
precedence
over
the
original
motion
and
perhaps
there
is
an
opportunity
to
to
check
with
the
architect
to
determine
whether
he
would
be
willing
to
to
voluntarily
redesign
the
project
before
any
of
those
motions
are
actually
voted
on.
H
But
that's
up
to
you,
the
commission.
E
I
just
have
a
I
do,
have
one
question
and
I
also
little
little
miss
design
guidelines
that
have
a
little
little
blurb
that
relates
to
our
choice
of
what
we
can
do.
I
guess
my
question
is:
if
we
were
to
deny
what
would
that
mean
for
the
applicant
compared
to
if
we
asked
them
to
come
back
with
an
alternate
design,
but
in
in
practice,
what's
the
difference
there,
because
we're
kind
of
essentially
doing
the
same
thing
right.
C
If,
if
you
deny
it,
the
applicant
would
have
the
ability
to
appeal,
as
commissioner
johnson
mentioned,
if
it's
denied,
then
the
outcome
can
make
a
brand
new
application.
You
know
and
go
through
the
arc
process
and
the
planning
commission
process
once
again.
A
H
And
also
just
to
add
on
to
that
answer,
commissioner
election.
So
the
the
planning
commission
can't
require
the
applicant
to
redesign
their
their
project.
They
could
approve
it.
They
could
continue
it
you,
you
can
deny
it,
which
is
why
it's
usually
a
good
practice
if
you're
thinking
that
there
might
be
inability
to
redesign
the
project
to
ask
the
applicant
whether
they're
willing
to
do
that
or
not
and
continue
the
matter.
H
B
Okay,
given
what
city
train
stepharana
just
said
I'll
withdraw
my
emotion,
we'll
ask
the
applicant
if
he
would
be
willing
to
make
changes
and
if
not,
then
I'll
come
back
again.
F
All
right,
can
everybody
hear
me?
Yes,
okay,
okay,
yeah
a
little
bit
disappointing,
but
I
understand
where
you
guys
are
coming
from
and
speaking
for
a
donor
right
now.
Basically,
we
really
did
try
to
do
our
best
to
follow
the
planning
design
guidelines
and
worked
with
them
throughout
the
whole
process
to
make
sure
that
we
were
on
the
right
track
and
apparently
once
we
got
to
the
stage
it's
been
derailed
for
various
reasons,
however,
we
are
in
the
spirit
of
making
things
work
with
our
neighbors.
F
F
You
know
moving
in
like
halfway
through
the
design
and
all
that
stuff.
So
to
cut
it
short,
we
are
willing
to
make
changes
and
work
to
get
to
the
next
commission
meeting
to
review
this.
It
is
our
we
do
not
want,
however,
to
have
to
start
to
process
over,
because
that
would
that
just
doesn't
it's
so
long
and
it
doesn't
make
sense
and
they
want
to
move
in.
So
definitely
we
would
like
continue
if
that's
possible.
A
C
It
back
to
yourselves,
but
I
I
would
just
recommend
that
you
not
if,
if
you
are
you
know,
leaning
towards
having
the
applicant
come
back
with
redesign
that
you
not
set
a
date
specific
for
that
we
will
we'll
do
a
brand
notice
for
that
meeting.
One
month
is
not
typically
enough
time
for
us
to.
C
Prepare
the
staff
report,
do
the
noticing
and
then
get
it
to
you
with
a
staff
report
before
the
meeting,
so
it
is
possible,
but
I,
but
we
we
would
like
to
you
know,
do
the
full
re-noticing
of
the
neighborhood
and
also
you
know,
make
the
plans
available
to
the
neighbors
once
they're
submitted
as
well.
So
there's
a
few
things
we'd
like
to
do
so
just
suffice
to
say:
if
that's
the
direction
just
to
make
your
motion
so
that
it's
not
a
thought
to
a
future.
F
F
This
change
will
completely
redesign
the
floor
plan
and
the
function
and
how
people
live
the
way
it's
used,
then
everything
the
architectural
intent
usually
like
months
and
months
and
just
this-
and
I
just
want
to
make
that
very
clear,
so
I
won't
be
able
to
commit
to
that
right
away
without
talking
to
the
neighbor
and
seeing
what
is
doable
and
then
I
assume
that
if
we
have
the
neighbor's
blessing,
you
would
be
fine
with
that
right.
I
Mr
wong,
we
don't
want
to
do
this
anymore,
so
I'm
sure
you
want
to
get
this
going
to
to
me.
You
need
to
satisfy
that
requirement
or
I'm
going
to
make
a
motion
to
deny
your
application.
I
If
I
don't
have
that
commitment,
I'm
going
to
make
a
motion,
I
apologize
I'm
not
trying
to
be
ultra
tough
on
you
here,
but
this
is
the
heart
of
this
issue
and
if
you
can
comply
with
that,
remove
the
deck
and
keep
the
rear
of
the
house
a
hip
roof
to
further
minimize
the
sun
impacts.
You
will
have
my
support
in
a
future
arc
meeting
or
planning
commission
meeting.
If
you
did
not,
you
did
not
have
my
support
along
with
totally
accurate
drawings.
H
That
I
I'm
sorry
to
interject
so
that
we
don't
have
a
back
and
forth
between
the
commission
and
the
applicant.
I
think
right
now,
there's
no
motion
on
the
table
because
it
was
withdrawn.
I
think
the
issue
was
asking
that
the
applicant
either
commit
to
a
redesign
or
not.
I
understand,
kushner
madden
is
trying
to
press
the
architect
for
specific
aspects
of
that
redesign.
H
But
I
think
we
have
an
answer
from
the
architect
about
redesign
and
if
you
have
any
other
questions,
then
you're
certainly
welcome
to
ask
them,
but
the
architect
may
or
may
not
be
in
a
position
to
answer
them
and
you'll
you'll
need
to
vote
accordingly
on
whatever
motion
is
on
the
table,
I
understood.
I
So
last
last
time,
will
you
comply
with
the
the
daylight
plane
that
is
in
the
code
along
this
property
line
between
you
and
the
murphys?
Yes
or
no.
I
Asking
you
to
do
it's
amazing.
F
That's
completely
okay,
like
you
said
my
job
as
an
architect
and
what
I
do
is
draw,
and
I
just
redrawing
is
part
of
the
process,
I'm
okay
with
that.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
it's
clear
that
it's.
If
I
don't
do
this,
I
I
basically
don't
get
the
motion,
and
if
I
do
it,
I
get
the
motion
and,
according
to
I'm
sorry,
I
need.
H
To
I
need
to
stop
this
back
and
forth
exchange.
Yes,
it's
not
appropriate!
So
yeah
I
apologize.
So
it's
really
not
fair
to
put
the
applicant
in
a
position
of
having
to
answer
these
detailed
questions
about
the
about
the
the
diagrams
of
the
drawings
on
the
spot.
At
the
meeting,
I
think
the
question
is:
we've
been
doing
that.
H
B
H
I
A
But
I
think
that
is
the
intent
here.
Yes,
commissioner,
madden.
I
M
We
have
a
a
statement
from
our
attorney
and
I
think
that
we
need
to
take
that
into
consideration.
I
Ask
questions
and
get
answers:
we've
been
doing
it
all
night,
so
you
know
I'm
asking
him
if
he's
willing
to
do
comply
with
the
daylight
plane,
and
he
now
says
yes,
yeah.
A
That's
fine,
so
the
appropriate
motion,
then,
if
we
are
going
to
expect
a
redesign
to
that,
we
would
move
to
continue
until
such
time
as
the
new
design
is
available.
That's
basically
that's
right.
H
I
B
A
I
think
I
have
to
recuse
myself
at
this
point
right
and
we
can
remove
commissioner
morgan
from
the
panel
642
pepper
drive.
Do
we
have
a
staff
report.
G
G
D
G
Hello,
everyone
I
apologize,
I'm
I
have
a
little
bit
of
a
cold,
so
pardon
me,
I'm
a
little
slow
tonight
or
anything.
G
G
G
The
applicant
described
that
there
would
be
an
installation
of
a
cricket
in
the
interior
of
the
joined
roofs
raised
in
the
middle,
with
a
two
percent
slope
in
each
direction
and
water
will
be
drained
either
to
an
undercurved
drain
to
the
home's
own
landscaped
area.
I
did
speak
with
the
chief
building
official
about
these
plans
and
she
confirmed
that
the
plans
would
meet
the
san
bruno
building
code
and
drainage
would
be
reviewed
further
for
compliance
in
the
building
permit
phase
of
the
project.
G
I
Thank
you.
So
the
the
cricket
in
the
middle
is
going
to
basically
capture
about
30
to
40
of
the
water
on
this
roof.
You've
got
the
the
ridges
the
two
ridges
on
the
hip,
roofs,
those
middle
portions
will
slope
down
onto
the
cricket
and
then
the
crickets
will
go
left
to
right.
I
I
G
Yes
and
I
believe
the
elevations
also
when
I
spoke
to
the
applicant,
he
said
there
would
be
gutters
around
the
entire
perimeter
of
the
roof
from
the
cricket
and
on
each
side
of
the
roof
as
well.
I
Okay,
good,
I
just
want
to
make
sure,
there's
no
waterfall
coming
off
those
crickets
and
because
there's
water
and
noise
associated
with
that.
So
thank
you.
G
I
I
think
I
think
you
can
see
the
the
rim
of
the
gutter
on
the
the
roof
line
here,
so
that
it
would
come
from
the
cricket
into
the
gutter
and
then
out.
The
the
downspouts.
H
G
Yes,
I
I
think
the
applicant
might
be
here
as
well
to
ex,
if
you
had
any
additional
questions
at
ei.
Eugene
is
here
as
well.
D
A
D
D
K
Thank
you
that
was
correct
on
what
brandon
said
regarding
met
commissioner
manny's
question
there
will
be,
the
cricket
will
be
draining
into
the
gutter
into
a
new
dance
box.
A
All
right
are
there
any
other
questions
from
the
commission
or
staff
for
the
applicant
that
look
like
it
do
we
have
any
public
comment
on
this
topic
at
this
time.
If
you
would
like
to
comment
your
three-minute
comment,
please
raise
your
hand.
A
All
right
do
we
need
a
motion
to
close
a
public
comment.
B
B
A
A
Thank
you.
It
sounds
like
we
do
not
have
a
lot
of
comment
on
this
one.
Do
we
have
a
motion
at
this
time.
E
I
I
agree
totally,
I
don't
know
if
that's
gonna
make
me
vote
no,
but
it's
it's
not
good.
A
I
will
just
observe
I
mean
like
I
I
don't
know,
I
don't
know
how
much
people
spend
times
people
spend
looking
at
their
neighbors
houses.
I
mean
I
like.
I
have
a
two-story
house
to
one
side
and
the
one-story
house
to
the
other,
and
I
you
know
I
go
out
in
my
backyard
to
play
with
my
cats
or
whatever,
but
I
don't
really
actually
look
that
much
at
the
neighbor's
house.
M
So
their
my
personal
opinion
doesn't
really
matter.
The
fact
is
that
they've
met
they've
met.
What
we
have
asked
them
to
continue
to
do,
and
they've
met
that.
So,
given
that
situation,
I
move
that
we
that
we
approve
this
project.
I'm
sorry
I
don't
have
the.
M
A
M
A
D
Chair
vice
chair,
madden
yay,
commissioner
biasode.
B
B
B
F
G
Hello
again,
this
project
is
for
119
acacia
avenue
a
use
permit
21014.
G
G
The
location
of
this
project
is
on
case
avenue,
just
north,
just
south
of
san
felipe
in
huntington
park
and
on
a
750
square
foot
lot.
G
The
current
existing
conditions
at
the
site
are
a
single
family,
home
of
1800
1806
square
feet
of
gross
floor
area
with
three
bedrooms
and
two
bathrooms.
In
2021
there
was
an
adu
added
of
366
square
feet
and,
according
to
record,
there
was
an
addition
made
to
this
home
of
391
square
feet
in
1999.
G
G
I
do
apologize
in
the
I
I
saw
in
the
in
the
chart
that
was
put
into
the
staff
report.
It
did
say
0.55,
but
the
far
is
0.5.
G
G
This
project
does
require
a
use
permit
because
it
proposes
to
exceed
allowable
lot
coverage
using
the
formula
in
the
municipal
code
with
the
adjusted
lot.
The
allowable
lot
coverage
would
be
1814
square
feet.
G
This
is
a
site
plan
of
showing
the
in
different
shadings
what
exists
and
what
is
being
proposed.
There
is
a
an
adu
in
the
the
upper
left
portion
of
the
site
and
the
the
addition
will
be
in
the
lower
left
portion
with
an
unenclosed
porch
underneath
it.
G
G
And
these
additions
show
how
the
the
home
would
look,
particularly
that
bottom
left
elevation
shows
that
addition
of
the
third
bedroom,
in
line
with
the
rest
of
the
house,
the
street
level
of
the
house,
as
that
unenclosed
search
that
is
being
proposed
beneath
it.
I
I
I
G
I
B
Okay,
how's
that
much
better
okay.
Thank
you
very
much
yes
to
thanks
for
the
question.
First
of
all,
with
regard
to
the
low
triangular
area
between
the
existing
residents
and
the
and
the
new
bedroom,
no,
that
was
not
intended
to
try
and
keep
the
floor
area
below
250
square
feet.
We
had
that
there
from
the
very
beginning,
that's
intended
to
preserve
the
light
and
air
coming
into
the
existing
master
bedroom
and
and
keep
privacy
between
the
two
bedrooms.
B
B
And
the
second
question,
I
believe,
was
with
regard
to
the
windows
overlooking
the
on
the
above
the
laundry
window
and
the
new
bed
windows
that
there's
an
existing
deck
on
the
house
right
now,
which
comes
even
closer
to
the
property
line
than
it
is
now,
and
the
the
residents
currently
use
that
quite
extensively.
B
B
A
A
All
right
that
concludes
our
public
hearings.
Oh
yes,
and
I
should
remark
appeal,
there's
a
10-day
appeal
period.
If
anybody
wishes
to
appeal.
A
Do
we
have
our
agenda,
has
a
conductive
business
item
between
our
public
hearings
and
items
from
staff?
Michael,
could
you
clarify
what
that's
about
so
this.
C
Is
this
is
part
of
our
new,
our
new
software
called
primego,
which
generates
agendas
and
templates?
So
it's
it's
really
for
anything
yeah.
It's
not
really
clear.
Even
to.
A
C
I
mean
yeah,
just
just
the
the
the
one
item
from
staff
which
is
just
looking
for
volunteers
for
the
april
14
arc
meeting.
So
we
have
johnson
dorazo.
A
I
don't
know
with
us
anymore,
it
doesn't
look
like
I.
My
understanding,
at
least,
is
that
that
is
a.
That
is
an
action
that
has
to
ultimately
come
from
the
city
council.
Would
that
be
your
understanding,
michael
yeah,
so
just
yeah
just
to
let
you
know
we
do
have.
C
Something
on
in
our
work
program
for
later
this
year
to
look
at
the
residential
design
guidelines
to
more
objectify
them,
and
so
that
is
that
is
something
that
is
in
the
works,
but
it
would
be
later
in
the
year,
but
but
this
but
it,
but
your
comments
are,
you
know,
are
are
heard,
and
you
know,
as
hidden
staff
agrees
with
with
your
comments
based
on
you
know
the
way
that
this
particular
the
claremont
project
panned
out,
you
know
right
now
we
do
have
our
design
guidelines.
C
The
two
options
for
how
the
daylight
plane
is
is
is
applied,
and
that
is
for
you
know,
except
for
you
know,
new
new
homes.
It
is
optional
and
how
it's
applied,
but
but
your
points
well
taken
that
it
should
be,
you
know
applied
where
it
can
be.
You
know.
I
You
know
do
the
most
the
most
good
separation
between
projects,
great
yeah,
because
I
mean
like
commissioner
left
and
I
refreshed
myself
on
the
guidelines
earlier
today.
I
I
knew
them
pretty
well
years
ago
when
I've
done
houses,
one
or
two
in
san
bruno
helping
my
sister
with
her
house,
but
I
think
you
know
one
thing
I
noticed
right
away
is
it's
it's
dated
2010
and
you
know
a
lot
of
things
have
changed,
especially
with
regard
to
solar.
So
we
should,
I
think,
really
tighten
things
up,
so
we
avoid
what
happened
this
evening
as
best
we
can
and
what
happened
in
previous
meetings,
where
there's
some
ambiguity
or
the
spirit
of
the
of
the
guideline.
It's
not
his.
I
You
know
loopholes
in
the
spirit
are
being
exploited
by
people
and
you
know
he's
advocating
for
his
client.
I
understand
that,
but
at
the
same
time
I
think
we
saw
at
least
since
I've
been
here.
This
is
the
the
most
blowback
pushback,
whatever
you
want
to
call
it
from
the
neighborhood.
Certainly,
and
I've
never
seen
a
no
vote
before
that
practically
happened
tonight.
So
I
think,
just
for
the
sake
of
everyone
involved.
I
A
I
I
to
clarify
my
point:
was
that
we,
as
the
commission
like
like
it's,
not
our,
we
do
not
have
the
right
to
direct
staff
to
do
anything.
In
particular,
it's
the
city,
council
directs,
the
city
manager
and
the
security
manager
directs
the
staff,
but
certainly
this
is
something
that
I
would
have
been
considering
talking
to
the
city
council
about
saying,
like
you
know,
just
in
my
role
as
a
citizen
as
well
as
the
commissioner
saying
like
hey,
can
we
get
this
on
the
agenda?
A
So
if
that
is
on
the
agenda
and
we're
going
to
have
that
kind
of
study
session,
I
definitely
100
approve
of
that.
I
The
murphys
may
still
be
listening.
I
would
encourage
them
to
go
to
the
city
council
as
well,
and
maybe
kind
of
just
tell
them
what
happened
here
and
and
that
you
would
appreciate
them,
accelerating
this
process
or
reviewing
it.
E
I
know
it's
cumbersome
and
it's
ridiculous
and
I
totally
don't
get
it
and
it's
stuff
which
is
confusing,
but
I
think
that
if
we
want
to
continue
talking
about
it,
I
think
that
we
need
to
send
a
request
to
staff
to
agenda.
I
I
A
I
A
A
I
see
their
hair
this
time,
so
we
will
close
that
section.
Were
there
any
other
items
from
members
or
subcommittee
reports,
I
think
we
have
any
particular
subcommittees
recently.
A
It
does
not
look
like
it
all
right,
then.
I
will
declare
this
meeting
adjourned.
The
next
regular
meeting
will
be
held
on
april
19
2022
at
7
p.m.
Thank
every!
I
thank
everyone
for
their
time,
patience
from
staff
and
the
public
and
have
a
good
rest
of
your
week.