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From YouTube: San Bruno Special City Council Meeting April 29, 2021 4a. Cost Recovery Levels of User Fees
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San Bruno Special City Council Meeting April 29, 2021
4a. Proposed Reductions to Cost Recovery Levels of Certain User Fees
A
We
will
then
move
on
to
item
four
study
session
rev
item
a
review
proposed
reductions.
I'm
sorry,
yes,
proposed
reductions
to
cost
recovery
levies
for
certain
user
fees
presented
at
the
march,
2nd
2021
city
council
meeting
and
provide
direction
to
staff,
there's
also
an
item
b
which
is
receive
community
economic
development
department,
organizational
review
report
from
municipal
resources,
group
llc,
and
I
will
turn
it
over
to
the
city
manager.
B
Tonight's
presentation
will
be
provided
by
craig
whitam,
a
consultant
from
mrg
who
has
been
assisting
us
to
bring
this
home,
and
so
you
have
a
report
that
has
been
submitted
tonight
that
has
updated
information,
responding
to
council
questions,
as
well
as
the
modifications
to
the
recommendations
that
we
made
on
march,
2nd,
and
so
all
of
those
are
shown
in
the
report
and
in
the
tables.
You
really
have
three
columns
for
the
high
level
fees
that
we're
talking
about
tonight.
That
is
a
recommendation
for
today's
date
april
29th.
B
We
show
you
what
the
march
2nd
recommendation
was
as
well
as
the
current
fee,
and
so
with
that
I'll
turn
it
over
to
craig
woodham
to
provide
a
presentation,
and
then
I
will
be
here
as
well
as
all
of
your
department.
Heads
are
available
for
tonight's
meeting
to
address
any
questions
with
regard
to
the
fees
for
their
department.
B
B
The
the
presentation
agenda
is
background
on
our
user
key
project,
draft
recovery,
draft
cost
recovery
policy
and
then
we'll
review
those
proposed
reductions
with
you
and
then
discuss
proposed
next
steps
background
on
our
fee
settings
practice
so
annually.
As
you
know,
the
city
council
reviews
fees
during
our
budget
process.
B
B
C
B
B
We
know
that
there
is
never
a
good
time
to
increase
fees,
but
it's
really
critical
that
we
have
this
discussion
now
and
in
this
discussion
with
through
baselining,
where,
where
we
should
be
with
all
of
our
fees
and
really
that's
policy,
and
so
yes,
you
have
staff
recommendations
before
you
and
we've
adjusted
those
with
your
input.
But
this
is
really
the
city
council
and
one
of
your
your
more
critical
policy
setting
rules,
which
is
cost
recovery
for
city
services.
What
services
will
be
subsidized?
B
B
B
We
are
not
the
only
entity
that
can
provide
swim
classes
and
so
we're
allowed
to
base
our
fees
based
on
that
market
or
decide
if
there's
subset
of
swim,
lessons
that
we
want
to
subsidize,
maybe
use
for
unless
we'll
subsidize
so
we've
had
those
discussions
and
there
are
a
few
categories
where
we
can
talk
about
that
again
tonight
as
a
background.
What
are
we
talking
about
when
we
say
fees,
not
just
enterprise
fees,
but
we're
discussing
feeds
for
development
reviews,
program
and
service
fees?
B
D
B
There
there's
pg
e
wildfire
mitigation
work
that
we're
we're
still
doing
today,
adjusting
city
bed
transitioning
after
school
programs
and
then
a
number
of
things
and
we
control
the
expenditures-
and
I
know
council
and
the
public
knows
that
very
well
and
there
are
a
number
of
ongoing
efforts.
This
is
not
the
only
one,
so
it
is
the
first
listed
under
our
revenue
enhancements,
but
at
tuesday's
council
meeting
we
address.
B
Development
related
community
benefit
packages
that
we're
working
on.
We
continue
to
control
expenditures
and,
as
the
public
knows
we
are,
we
have
gone
through
a
long
process
to
take
a
look
at
the
health
of
our
stormwater
fund
and
the
30
million
dollar
projects
that
need
to
be
done
for
the
health
and
safety
of
the
community,
and
we
have
an
effort,
a
valid
effort
out
now
to
address
that.
B
D
Thanks
very
much
jarvan
good
evening,
mayor
members
of
the
city
council
pleasure
to
be
here
first
we'll
discuss
the
draft
cost
recovery
policy.
We
talked
about
this
on
march
2nd
and
won't
go
into
the
same
level
of
detail,
but
in.
In
summary,
this
provides
a
framework
for
the
council
to
communicate
to
the
public
what
the
costs
are
of
its
fees
and
which
fees
it
chooses
to
subsidize
by
policy.
D
Once
this
is
established,
the
policy
can
be
reviewed
and
modified
as
the
council
experiences
the
residence
and
stakeholders
permit
activity.
This
also
creates
flexibility
for
staff
to
respond
to
circumstances
that
are
unusual.
An
example
of
that
would
be
the
recreation
programs
that
were
developed
during
the
pandemic.
D
There
are
three
types
of
cost
recovery
categories:
we
have
the
full
cost
recovery
or
near
full
cost
recovery.
We'll
talk
a
little
bit
later
about
how
will
dan
associates,
who
is
also
present
by
zoom.
If
there
are
questions
calculated
the
full
cost
of
all
of
the
fees,
then
you
have
medium
cost
recovery,
which
is
not
getting
full
cost.
Recovery
example
of
that
is
some
of
the
recreation
programs
and
then
there's
low
cost
recovery.
D
D
We
also
heard
a
discussion
during
the
march
2nd
item
in
terms
of
paying
attention
to
how
the
fees
impact
certain
groups
of
prospective
applicants
we
heard
about.
The
council's
concern
example
would
be
the
encroachment
permits
where
folks
are
trying
to
do
the
right
thing
by
installing
proper
storm
drainage.
D
D
E
C
Thank
you
good
evening,
mayor
medina
and
council
members.
So
after
the
march
second
meeting,
we
went
to
the
communities
to
the
parks
and
recreation
commission
on
march
17th
to
pretty
much
given
the
same
proposal
that
we,
the
presentation
that
we
presented
to
you
and
they
were
actually
they
gave
us
a
lot
of
very
positive
feedback.
They
also
recognized
that
the
fee
schedule
will
be
greatly
simplified
for
the
users.
C
We
built
in
flexibility
in
these
fee
ranges
in
that
we
will
have
a
cost
recovery
policy
that
would
also
kind
of
ensure
that
we
wouldn't
have
these
big
jumps
and
the
cost
to
our
programs.
Another
note
which
I
think
is
on
there
is
that
when
we
are
doing
our
as
we're
building
our
programs,
we're
being
very
mindful
of
making
sure
that
the
service
delivery
is
of
a
cost
model.
That
is
in
pretty
much
keeping
in
the
range
of
what
our
payers
are
requesting
to
pay.
D
Okay,
so
the
next
section
of
the
presentation
is
regarding
information
that
is
being
provided
in
response
to
the
mark's.
Second
questions.
The
following
slides
will
address
a
number
of
common
permits
issued
comparison
to
cities
that
have
conducted
recent
uc
studies.
That
was
a
question
during
the
march
2nd
meeting
discussion
of
equity,
small
business
impacts.
D
Okay,
so
a
number
of
permanent
permits
issues,
one
of
the
questions
on
the
second
was
you
know?
What
are
we
talking
about
in
terms
of
how
many
of
these
fees
are
issued
each
year
we
pulled
this
information
together
from
your
staff
and,
as
you
can
see,
the
volume
of
common
permits
varies
quite
significantly
and
as
staff
reviewed
that
you'll
see
later
in
terms
of
one
of
the
recommendations,
encroachment
permit,
building,
license
application
or
some
of
the
high
volume
fees
that
those
are
proposed
to
be
reduced
from
the
level
that
was
presented
on
march,
2nd.
D
D
D
D
Staff
is
recommended
tonight
that
that
gets
moved
to
94.
peddlers
again
a
reduction
and
sign
permit
as
well
recognizing
that
impacts
small
businesses,
bringing
that
from
the
full
cost
recovery
to
a
medium
cost
recovery.
Again,
a
conscious
subsidy,
just
policy
decision
by
the
city
council,
but
staff
is
recommending
a
lower
level
of
crust
recovery.
D
This
is
the
impact
on
the
range
of
renovation
projects,
no
changes
to
the
proposed
fee
levels
for
building
permits,
but
this
information
was
requested
and
was
not
available
in
the
may
march,
2nd
report,
and
it
gives
you
a
sense
as
to
what
the
costs
now
are
of
permits
in
these
type
of
renovations.
Twenty
thousand
fifty
thousand
one.
D
Okay,
so
that
kind
of
is
a
summary
of
what
is
in
the
staff
report
in
more
detail
in
terms
of
what
the
council
requested
and
now
we'll
move
on
to
proposed
reductions
from
the
march
2nd
levels
and
where
that
sits
for
these
type
of
fees,
those
that
are
low-cost
health
and
safety
improvements.
Again,
there
is
a
discussion
as
an
example
on
the
water
permits.
D
We
want
to
motivate
residents
to
do
the
right
thing
on
health
and
safety
improvements
and
the
message
from
the
council,
and
it
was
a
good
one-
is
let's
not
price
these
at
such
a
high
level?
That
folks
will
not
get
a
permit.
We
want
them
to
do
that.
The
right
way
and
not
be
priced
out
of
the
activity
of
making
the
community
safer.
D
D
Okay,
so
the
low-cost
health
and
safety
improvement
fees
among
the
common
fees,
water
heater?
I
just
mentioned
current
fees
55
at
our
march
2nd
meeting
proposal
was
to
about
almost
triple
that
to
full
cost
recovery.
It
does
take
the
time
of
a
building
inspector
to
go
out
and
inspect
it,
and
this
is
basically
a
one-hour
charge,
but
upon
reflecting
on
the
council's
input,
the
recommended
approach
is
to
bring
that
down
to
78,
which
is
not
about
half
of
full
cost
recovery.
D
Similarly,
we
looked
through
the
fee
schedule
and
tried
to
identify
some
common
fees
that
are
safety
related
and
relatively
low
cost,
and
the
other
two
that
we're
recommending
for
a
lower
at
a
lower
fee
level
are
backflow
preventive
design
devices
to
protect
the
integrity
of
the
potable
water
in
front
of
folks
homes
by
any
protein
per
permit,
which
was
discussed
by
the
council
of
velasque,
and
this
is
a
common
theme.
You
know
the
same.
D
D
All
of
them
were
actual
pro
or
near
full
cost
recovery,
and
all
of
them
are
being
moved
to
the
medium
cross
recovery
recognizing,
as
the
city
manager
mentioned,
it
is
important
to
recalibrate
these
fees,
but
there
are
certain
fees
that,
given
the
impact
on
small
businesses
in
this
particular
time,
staff
thinks
it
makes
sense
to
bring
those
back.
So
I
talked
about
these
a
little
earlier
in
a
previous
slide.
D
Business
license
app
paddlers
and
signed
permit,
bringing
down
to
medium
cost
recovery
as
well,
okay.
So
these
are
the
kind
of
eye-popping
fee
levels
and
that
were
discussed
briefly
during
the
march
2nd
meeting
and
they
are
pretty
it's
exclusively
related
to
fees
in
the
planning
division,
and
these
are
fees
for
large
increases
that
were
proposed
for
large
increases
in
part,
because
these
fees
haven't
been
increased
by
a
long
time
for
a
long
time.
In
part
due
to
the
complexity
of
the
fee
levels.
D
The
number
of
public
hearings
that
some
of
these
fees
may
require
and
the
the
list
is
again
maybe
a
little
easier
to
read
in
your
staff
report.
But
we
show
you
the
proposed
fee,
which
is
still
a
significant
increase
in
a
number
of
cases,
but
significantly
less
than
what
was
proposed
on
march,
2nd
and
typically
these
fees,
I
think
it's
important
to
note,
is-
are
often
involved
with
either
commercial
entities
that
are
making
significant
investments
on
the
project.
D
So
as
a
person,
these
fees
look
large
and,
in
fact,
are
relatively
large
in
the
scale
of
the
overall
project,
not
necessarily
as
large,
but
we
again
wanted
to
present
what
was
the
current
fee
proposed
tonight
and
what
we
came
to
the
council
with
on
march,
2nd,
okay.
This
is
another
important
consideration
that
again
upon
reflection
from
the
council's
input.
When
we
were
in
front
of
you
on
march,
2nd,
the
prior
recommendation
was
if
a
fee
is
increasing
by
more
than
50.
D
Let's
spread
that
over
two
years
to
limit
the
impact
took
another
look
at
the
fees
and
the
number
of
fees
that
were
increasing
by
more
than
a
hundred
percent
and
thought
that
those
had
a
more
it
would
be
more
important
to
focus
a
gradual
increase
on
those
fees,
and
the
recommendation
tonight
is
to
spread
any
fee
that
would
be
increasing
by
100
by
four
years.
That
also
has
some
kind
of
logic
to
it.
In
that
most
cities
best
practices
are
to
go
through.
D
D
D
B
B
A
number
of
the
fees
relate
to
sections
that
are
in
our
munich
build
and,
as
the
council
knows,
we've
been
gradually
stepping
through
a
meeting
code
review.
We
do
feel
comfortable
that
we
have
done
the
analysis
and
then
based
on
council
comments
from
march
2nd.
We
went
through
and
did
another
check
to
short
consistency
with
state
law,
but
there
may
be
some
unicode
changes
that
we
want
to
recommend,
and
so
we
we
will
do
that
as
we
step
through
those
those
reviews.
B
That
will
also
be
the
night
where
we
are
considering
our
budget
adoption,
and
so
should
the
city
council
provide
direction
tonight.
We
will
incorporate
these
new
fees
and
the
revenue
into
the
budget
that
you
have
presented
to
you
when
you
adopt
your
budget
and
so
that
new
revenue
will
be
captured
in
the
2021
budget.
B
We
will
provide
notice
by
july
one
some
user
fees
will
take
effect
on
july,
one
for
some
fees,
primarily
the
development
related
fees.
There
is
a
60-day
waiting
period,
and
so
those
will
will
take
effect
on
september
1st,
and
we
are
here
tonight
to
answer
any
questions
again.
The
department
heads
are
available
as
well
as
will
dan
and
craig
widam,
who
project
managed
this
project
for
us.
Thank
you.
A
A
F
A
G
You
always
have
questions
mayor
medina,
yeah.
First,
a
comment,
a
couple
comments.
Thank
you
staff.
You
guys
said
it
right.
It's
never
a
good
time,
the
right
time
to
to
tell
somebody
that
we're
going
to
start
charging
more
for
something
nobody
wants
to
pay
more
most
people
who
work
want
to
get
paid
more,
so
we
have
kind
of
contrasting
things
happening
there,
but
as
a
council
being
that
we
haven't
looked
at
this,
our
previous
councils
haven't
acted
on
it.
G
G
B
B
B
B
G
H
Yeah,
I
can
help
a
little
bit
with
that.
So
in
general
there
aren't
many
cases
where
that
that
happens
in
recreation.
That
can
happen
when
you're
fully
subsidizing,
because
you
don't
want
to
charge
save
for
resident
use
of
a
park
and
you
don't
charge,
you
know
the
rental
of
a
gazebo
or
something
like
that.
I
think
in
your
case
you
have
an
example
would
be
I
just
had
it
and
then
it
changed
on
me.
Let
me
try
this
right
here,
it's
oh
there
we
go
so
well,
I'm
trying
to
find
it.
H
Another
example
is
in
public
records,
requests
where
you
are
only
allowed
to
charge
for
duplication
right,
usually,
if
there's
a
amanda
state
mandate
that
you
can't
charge
for
something
that
commonly
comes,
but
when
you're
looking
at
a
lot
of
the
new
fees,
it's
not
necessarily
a
new
service
being
provided.
It's
that
a
services
change
or
being
split
out
from
another
one,
so
that
you
can
ensure
that
you're
getting
a
proper
cost
recovery
for
that
service,
rather
than
being
limped
with
something
else.
G
G
Public
meetings
publicly
notice
meetings
to
deal
with
a
special
type
of
request,
either
to
expand
beyond
the
normal
allowed
building
to
get
a
variance
or
something
so
it's
it's
rather
limited
and-
and
I
was
wondering
staff
to
give
like
a
ballpark
of
how
many
of
those
type
of
activities
are
actually
done
in
a
typical
year
for
to
get
a
use.
Permit.
B
Sir
councilmember
medina,
while
director
wu,
finds
that
number
we
believe
this
in
the
staff
report.
I've
just
looked
through
all
of
the
the
fees
and
going
back
to
your
question
of
what
fees
are
we
receiving
zero
cost
recovery?
You
know
the
category
that
tony
thrasher
mentioned
as
well
as
the
only
other
one
that
I
could
find
was
in
the
library
where
you
may
recall
about
a
year
and
a
half
ago
we
eliminated
the
fee
for
late
libraries,
books,
late
library,
materials
got
it
within
the
schedule.
B
There's
a
number
of
categories
that
that
say,
and
one
of
them
are
some
of
those
are
when
the
fee
is
a
percentage
of
work
that
is
done
and
the
other
no
fee
category
is
actually
reinspection
and
so
for
development
related
items.
We
do.
We
do
not
charge
a
fee
for
the
first
reinspection,
but
there
is
a
fee
for
the
second
and
third
reinspections.
C
Last
year,
the
number
of
single
family
residential
use
permits
on
the
list
was
on
staff
reported
to
we
issued
a
total
of
five
in
2020,
a
total
of
seven
in
2019,
and
as
we
don't
normally
get
a
report
for
variance
the
number
has
been
zero
for
some
time.
Another
popular
planning
program
is
a
sign
permit.
We
also
included
that
chart.
In
2020
we
issued
a
total
of
13
and
in
2019
we
issued
a
total
21.
G
G
I
have
a
comment
on
like
on
the
sign
permits
and
and
if,
if
we
go
ahead
and
raise
the
fees
as
recommended
that
the
council
could
go
back
and
provide
like
an
incentive
program
for
new
businesses
to
to
have
a
reduced
fee
on
their
signs
or,
let's
say
in
a
certain
area,
either
downtown
town
center,
where
the
signs
are
kind
of
getting
kind
of
old
and
kind
of
old
kind
of
just
need
to
be
refreshed.
That
we
could
provide
an
incentive
and
reduction
in
and
permit
fees
to.
B
G
All
right,
I
have
two
more
questions
with
the
recreation
fees
as
where
we
have
a
business
plan
and-
and
I
I
couldn't
find
the
pricing
on
on
how
much
it's
going
to
be
for
a
san
bruno
resident
to
kind
of
join
the
pool
or
the
gym.
Do
we
have
any
additional
clarity
on
a
range
of
prices
for
for
those
fees.
B
B
So,
yes,
we
can
bring
the
new
fee
structure
for
the
recreation
and
aquatic
center
to
the
city
council.
There
will
be
sort
of
plenty
of
opportunities
to
have
dialogue
around
that
there
will
be
at
least
two
budget
years
where
we
will
be
going
through
through
through
the
budget
as
we
as
we
develop
the
fee
schedule
for
the
new
program.
So
we
can
certainly
come
back
to
the
city
council
and
provide
a
presentation
and
city
council
input
at
that
time.
F
Thank
you
so
vice
mayor
bedina
asked
I
have
three
questions,
but
vice
verdina
asked
one
of
them
in
a
slightly
different
way,
but
I
think
I
I
think
I
have
my
answer.
It
was
basically
I
was
going
to
ask
if
this
structure
would
still
allow
us
to
designate
one
or
more
economic
zones
within
the
city
where
we
might
want
to
to
move
certain
certain
specific
fees
into
a
lower
cost
recovery
tier.
F
C
D
I
F
I
And
while
there
is
some
flexibility
in
that
order,
I
think
it's
the
amount.
The
city
charges
for
those
facilities
is
likely
to
be
much
more
highly
scrutinized
than
it
is
for
the
sort
of
large
towers
that
that
I
think
you
were
referring
to
in
your
earlier
question.
So
we
have
been
advised
both
by
our
independent
review
of
the
law
and
by
our
outside
counsel,
that
we
should
sort
of
carefully
approach
what
any
substantial
increases
in
the
cost
of
those
applications
if
they
apply
only
or
primarily
to
small
cell
facilities.
F
Okay,
so
I
would
think
if
you
know
if
we
can,
if
we
can
demonstrate
and
prove
that
it's
we're
recovering
our
own
costs,
that
has
to
be
legal.
You
know
subsidize,
you
know
having
them
put
put
the
small
cell
sites
into
san
bruno
against
our
will
and
making
us
pay
for
part
of
it.
That
really
seems
pretty
egregious
right.
I
I
I
think
the
argument
on
the
other
side
and
what
perhaps
motivated
the
order
was
the
sense
that
cities
should
not
be
spending
really
any
time
reviewing
these
applications
and
so
for
lack
of
a
better
term.
How
hard
could
it
be
and
how
much
time
could
it
possibly
take
to
approve
these
on
a
ministerial
basis?
Well,
as
we
know
it's,
it
is
quite
time
consuming,
but
we,
I
absolutely
agree
with
your
sentiment
council
member
hamilton.
F
Okay,
thank
you.
My
other
question
has
to
do
with
the
the
business
license
application
fee.
So
I'm
glad
to
see
that
it
that
it's
come
down
it's
under
100
bucks
and
I'm,
I
believe
me
I
did.
I
am
listening
to
the
to
the
the
to
the
the
presentation
and
the
argument
that
it's
that,
when
you
compare
one
city
to
another,
it's
it's,
it's
not
apples
to
apples.
D
Bruno
when
somebody
comes
in
for
a
business
license
application
in
some
cities
there
is
a
very
well.
There
is
a
varying
level
of
cost
recovery,
so
some
cities
may
have
had
a
small
fee
and
when
a
user
fee
study
comes
up,
the
council
simply
says:
let's
keep
it
low.
On
the
other
hand,
certain
cities
have
different
levels
of
scrutiny
when
a
new
business
comes
in
for
an
application
in
terms
of
reviewing
the
zoning
and
having
someone
from
the
planning
shop
take
a
look
to
ensure
that
the
zoning
is
proper.
D
D
C
Sure-
and
you
explain
it
beautifully
so
council
member,
whether
or
not
we
have
the
most
efficient
process.
That's
besides
the
point.
Currently,
if
anyone
who
wants
to
open
a
business
in
city
san
bruno
they'll,
come
to
the
finance
counter,
ask
for
a
business
license
application,
then
we'll
ask
them
to
talk
to
a
planner
to
see
if
this
is
even
allowed
and
that
we
go
into
to
evaluate
zone
me
and
then
go
through
the
proper
consultation
and
then
ask
them.
C
C
H
And
just
to
speak
on
kind
of
what
your
neighbors
are
likely
doing,
there's
they
likely
have
separate
fees
or
different
charges,
that
kind
of
add
to
that
smaller
charge
that
they
have
or
they
consider
their
collection
of,
they
might
have
a
higher
business
license
collection,
and
so
they
simply
offset
the
cost.
With
that
sort
of
revenue
too,
that
was
going.
F
To
be
my
next
question
is:
is
it
possible
that
our
neighbors
would
have
a
separate
fee
for
the
fire
inspector
to
come
out
and
it's
not
part
of
their
business
lifestyle
license
application,
but
they
need
to
do
it
in
order
for
it
to
get
it
to
get
their
application?
Absolutely.
Okay,
all
right!
Thank
you.
I
think
that
is
it
for
my
questions.
J
J
B
B
We
have
a
very
small
planning
set
at
this
point,
two
current
planners
and
a
planning
manager
position.
That
is
current,
which
means
that
the
pipe
our
capacity
is
limited
because
of
our
staffing
with
additional
revenue.
We
can
increase
our
staffing
and
have
more
capacity
to
get
things
done
quicker,
so
people
are
not
waiting
or
putting.
B
B
However,
because
our
staffing
is
so
limited
now
with
with
only
two
planners,
someone
has
to
manage
all
of
those
larger
contracts
that
are
being
done
by
contracts,
so
we
still
have
reduced
capacity
available
for
let's
call
it
the
regular
work,
because
we
have
point,
for
example,
seven
five
of
our
two
ftes
managing
the
various
contracted
planners
and
then
part
of
our
director's
time
managing
the
contracting
planner.
So
additional
revenue
really
allows
us
to
increase
that
height.
B
B
Yes,
so
you
will
first
see
that
during
the
budget
process,
because
right
now
we're
we're
very
fluent
in
the
cost
recovery
percentages.
So
once
we
have
some
direction,
we
will
build
revenue
projections
into
the
budget.
I
will
say,
though,
the
first
thing
we
need
to
do
is
to
build
a
enterprise,
we're
talking
development
review.
B
Let's
take
our
planning
department,
how
the
planning
department
right
now
is
budgeted,
they're
budgeted
just
as
a
regular
general
fund
department,
and
so
when
they
have
a
good
year
that
revenue
may
go
towards
the
general
fund
when
they
have
a
bad
year
in
that
not
enough
permits
or
the
revenue
isn't
covered
at
all
all
of
their
expenses.
The
general
fund
provides
a
subsidy.
B
B
From
their
fund
balance,
so
the
general
fund
isn't
going
through
this
seesaw
of
subsidizing
planners
that
work
on
current
development
projects.
And
so
we
need
to
begin
by
sort
of
establishing
that
fund
and
ensuring
that
that
fund
can
operate
sufficiently
and
sustainably
and
then
do
projections
on
when
we
can
appropriately
add.
J
J
B
J
B
J
Are
the
pri?
How
does
this
impact
some
of
the
projects
that
we've
already
approved?
I
would
just
refer
to
anything
that
might
be.
You
know.
I
don't
know.
Mills
park
youtube
huntington
without
picking
anyone
specifically
depending
on
where
they
are
in
their
process.
How
will
this
impact
their
their
their
projects.
C
C
That
will
change
we're,
also
proposing
to
realign
our
building
permits
so
when
they
are
coming
in
to
do
fun,
check
and
other
inspections,
that's
when
they
won't
be
subject
to
their
new
feed
in
terms
of
the
youtube
world
phase,
one
has
submitted
their
feet.
Phase
two
through
five
will
be
subject
to
the
new.
Please.
C
B
D
Thank
you
councilmember
for
the
question.
There
are
certain
fees
that
are
proposed
to
increase
by
100
or
about
100
of
fees
that
is
reduced
from
the
amount
that
were
proposed
on
the
march
second
item
type.
Those
fees
would
be
if
the
council
proves
this
approach
would
be
increased
by
25
on
september,
1st
of
2021
another
25
by
july
1st
of
the
next
year
and
then
25
and
25.
D
So
the
total
fee
increase
would
be
spread
over
four
years
as
a
way
to
moderate
the
impact
on
those
fee
increases
and
again
most
of
those
are
in
the
building
and
planning
fees.
Most
of
them
are
increasing.
The
total
fee
is
increasing
less
than
500
and
that's
kind
of
laid
out
in
the
staff
report.
But
it's
an
attempt
to
moderate
the
larger
pay
increases.
J
D
J
D
I'm
just
talking
about
the
typical
resident
is
not
encountering
a
the
fire
department
fee
on
an
annual
basis
compared
to
the
wreck
program,
or
you
know,
renting
out
a
room
at
one
of
your
facilities
or
the
business
license
application
and
someone's
doing
a
tenant
improvement
to
their
commercial
property.
That
might
be
a
more
common
occurrence.
That's
that's
my
only
my
only
point
on
the
frequency
and
tony
tony
usually
has
something
more
intelligent
to
add
than
what
I
said
so.
H
He
might
in
this
case
as
well,
and
then,
after
that,
let's
go
to
the
city
attorney
yeah,
so
the
what
craig
is
is
referring
to
is
that
those
fees
affect
development,
primarily.
So,
if
we're
talking
about
the
specifically
the
ones
in
fire,
for
example,
it's
the
larger
increases
are
to
like
general
permits.
H
So
you
know
compressed
gases,
combustible
material
storage
stuff
like
that
to
ensure
that
there's
compliance
and
there's
proper
storage
and
those
sorts
of
things
for
those
and
within
planning
and
building
those
are
affecting
your
development
community,
a
lot
more
than
it
is
your
residence
and
even
then,
so
those
services
are
pretty
purely
private
benefit.
So
when
they're,
you
know
doing
additions
and
such
like
that,
it's
usually
at
a
portion
of
a
project
in
their
house
as
opposed
to
something
that
they
have
to
do
for
compliance
because
of
an
existing
issue
right.
I
If
I
may,
mr
mayor
just
to
very
quickly,
follow
up
on
that,
so
yes,
I
agree
with
all
of
that
yeah.
I
think
it's
important
to
note
that
just
that
very
last
point
that
tony
made,
which
is
that
for
fees
that
residents
are
required
to
pay
for
a
permit,
and
so
that's
different
than
let's
say
a
swim
lesson,
because
residents
aren't
required
to
to
have
swim
lessons,
but
they
are
required
to
pay
a
permit
a
fee
if
they
get
a
particular
kind
of
permit.
I
So
for
those
fees,
if
there's
going
to
be
a
distinction
made
between
certain
classes
of
people,
there
has
to
be
a
rational
basis
for
that
distinction
and
so,
for
example,
distinguishing
among
residents
and
non-residents
for
the
same
fee.
Providing
the
same
service
that
residents
are
required
to
get
is
something
that
we'd
want
to
look
at
carefully
before
before
proposing
or
implementing
it.
J
B
There
really
needs
to
be
a
rational
policy
and
legal
definition,
but
what
cities
typically
do
is
they
have
a
fee
schedule
and
then
they
set
up
a
grant
program
to
incentivize
businesses
to
come
and
say
if
you
are
x
business.
We
want
that
in
the
downtown.
Here's
a
grant
to
subsidize
your
your
cost
of
your
startup
costs.
I
Right
that
that's
true,
I
would
agree
with
that
and
just
quickly
to
extend
that
a
little
bit.
Those
those
sorts
of
distinctions,
for
example,
are
already
made
in
our
ordinance
regarding
business.
License
tax
war,
for
example.
Non-Profits
may
not
have
to
pay
a
fee
in
their
their
other
exemptions,
but
when
you
take
particular
classes
of
for-profit
businesses,
for
example
and
say
these
businesses
do
have
to
pay
and
those
businesses,
don't
then
again,
we
would
need
to
look
at
that
carefully.
I
One
way
to
address
that
is,
you
can
have
a
reduced
tax
rate
for
certain
businesses
and
so
that
that's
something
that
certainly
can
be
looked
at,
but
remember
you
can't
raise
the
rate
of
business
license
tax
on
on
any
business,
the
tax
itself,
not
the
fee
for
filling
out
the
form,
but
the
tax
itself
without
a
vote
of
the
people.
So.
J
Yeah,
I'm
just
thinking,
I
think
it
would
be
too
controversial,
picking
and
choosing
which
business
gets
a
an
exemption.
I
think
that
really
it's
the
kind
of
these
the
individuals
who
have
painted
these
utility
boxes
are
the
ones
who
just
really
are
thorn
in
my
side
that
they
have
to
pay
such
a
huge
percentage
of
what
they
get
in
a
business,
because
this
is
a
really.
J
I
don't
know
this
the
process
that
has
been
laid
out.
So
I
know
we
eventually
will
be
looking
at
that
ordinance
and
we're
not
there
yet.
But
in
the
meantime,
if
there's
a
way
that,
if,
if
this
city
is
going
to
require
a
business
license
for
these
artists,
if
there's
a
way
that
we
either
exempt
them
or
we
make
the
fd
specific
to
them,
or
maybe
that
it's
a
grant
program,
but
you
know,
then
we're
still
paying
into
something
that
just
I
feel
like.
J
We
really
shouldn't
even
be
charging
a
fee
for
someone
who's
really
providing
a
service
to
our
city.
And
honestly,
it's
supposed
to
be
an
accomplishment
right
to
be
the
artist
selected
to
do
this,
and
then
it's
like
we
hand
them
a
bill
that
takes
away
what
they
just
won
a
percentage
of
what
they
just
won.
B
Can
I
can
I
address
that
point
really
quickly,
because
we
will
not
have
a
solution
to
that
when
this
comes
back
to
you,
and
so
just
so,
everyone
knows
clearly
what
we're
talking
about.
We
had
a
process
ran
arts
commission,
where
we
paid
artists
to
develop
graphics
for
utility
boxes
and
I'll
probably
get
the
numbers
wrong,
but,
for
example,
we
paid
them
college
five
hundred
dollars
or
provided
them
a
500
stipend
to
paint
and
then.
B
Who
were
selected
through
a
a
a
process
then
had
to,
like
all
of
our
vendors,
have
to
get
a
business
license,
because
we
are
paying
them
money.
We
require
whether
it's
a
construction
contract
where
it's
a
million
dollar
contract
or
50
000
professional
services,
every
vendor
in
the
city
that
does
business
with
the
city
having
a
business
license,
and
so
these
artists
had
to
get
a
business
license
and
they
had
to
both
pay
the
administration
fee
because
they
were
a
new
business
and
two
pay
a
the
business
tax,
whatever
that
was,
it
was
likely.
B
I
don't
remember
the
structure
for
artists,
but
let's
call
it
a
percentage
or
a
hundred
dollars,
and
so
they
may
have
received
a
five
hundred
dollar
stipend,
but
when
they
say
he
had
ninety
in
the
business
tax,
they
received
three
and
so
the
mechanism.
For
that,
because
we
can't
change
the
policy
and
say
artists,
don't
have
to
pay
a
a
business
license
administration
fee
when
we
contract.
C
B
A
Councilman
racine,
can
I
ask
a
question
on
that
point
just
for
clarity.
So
that's
what
I
was
going
to
say
when
they
put
in
an
application
for
their
time
their
supplies,
the
expenses
even
the
mural.
Over
at
the
train
station
there
was
expenses
for
the
transportation
of
it,
etc.
That's
what
I
was
going
to
ask,
because
why
wouldn't
that
then
just
be
included
in
that
artist,
saying
I
need
x,
which
also
encompasses
that,
and
I
think
you
said
that
that
is
that
is
viable,
correct,
see,
manager,
you're,
iran,
mute.
B
I
B
J
Thank
you
and
I
can't
find
it
now,
but
there
is
I.
I
know
that
we
did
talk
about
the
city
attorney
and
I
talked
about
a
potential
change
in
in
the
rule
and
as
opposed
to
the
fee,
because
other
cities
that
are
doing
this
are
paying
the
same
or
even
less,
for
their
artists
to
do
the
utility
boxes,
and
I
think
that
was
really
going
to
be.
The
question
was
going
to
be.
One
of
the
questions
was
like.
Why
are
we
doing
it
this
way?
J
But
I
think
I
don't
want
to
have
a
whole
conversation
on
it
without
you
two
talking,
but
there
are
some
we've
city
attorney
zephron
and
I
have
had
quite
a
few
conversations
around
this
and
my
understanding
is
that
there
will
be
an
ordinance
coming
to
us
at
some
point
that
we
will
likely
be
able
to
adjust.
That
will
address
this
issue.
J
D
Typically,
with
the
water
heater
you're
going
to
send
out
a
building
inspector,
it
will
take
less
than
an
hour
to
check
to
ensure
that
it
is
installed
properly.
So
that's
where
the
156
full
cost
recovery
comes
from
and
again
that's
a
high
number
in
relation
to
how
much
the
water
heater
costs
itself.
So
the
recommendation
is
to
bring
that
down.
D
J
B
J
J
J
I
I
think
I
couldn't
make
that
decision
without
actually
understanding
how
many
appeals
we're
getting,
and
I
I
don't
know
I
I
think
that
it's
already
so
difficult
with
I'm
thinking
of
cell
towers,
in
particular,
where
the
way
that
the
rule
was
written.
You
know
that
was
approved
locally
here
by
by
the
city
council
prior
to
my
being
on
it,
but
where
the
administration,
the
really
the
appeal,
goes
to
the
city
manager
and
appeals
to
the
planning
commission,
I
I
don't
remember
receiving
that
many
of
them.
A
But
I'm
not
sure
if
the
city
attorney
wants
it,
but
I
if
I
may
expand
because
I
just
so
when
you
answer-
are
these
just
in
regards
to
building
or
these
in
regards
to
like
when
we
had
an
appeal
about
the
someone's
home
needing
to
be
cleaned
up,
there
was
an
appeal
right
that
we
went
through,
so
is
it
all
encompassing
when
we
talk
appeal
or
is
it
just
so?
The
council
member
sounded
like
was
like
on
buildings
or
you
know
because
they
have
an
investment.
So
the
attorney.
J
A
I
Sure
I
I
think
I
understand
the
question
as
well
as
the
the
nuance
regarding
you
know,
which
which
kinds
of
appeals
so
you're
you're
both
correct.
There
are
a
variety
of
different
kinds
of
appeals,
and
one
kind
is
appeals
of
building
projects,
let's
just
say
to
either
the
director
or
to
the
planning
commission
or
to
the
city
council
and
then
there's
a
variety
of
other
appeals
like
the
mayor
mentioned
that
have
to
do
with
permits
issued
by
various
departments
like
the
police
department.
I
We
we
don't
experience
a
great
number
of
appeals,
but
when
we
do
have
those
appeals,
they
are
really
extraordinarily
time
consuming
and
some
of
them
involve
literally
dozens
of
hours
of
both
staff,
time
and
city
attorney
time
to
process
properly.
These
appeals
are
important
and
we
take
them
seriously.
I
It's
very
important
to
make
sure
that
people's
due
process
rights
are
protected
when
they
appeal
and
to
make
sure
that
the
the
process
is,
is
you
know,
done
done
well
and
make
sure
that
we
protect
the
city
against
risk
if
the
property
owner
or
the
appellant?
If
it's
not
the
property
owner
decides
you
know
that
they
want
to
go
to
court
and
sue
we.
We
need
to
have
a
good
record.
C
B
It
will
be
a
separate
resolution
from
the
from
from
the
budget.
I
think
we
do
adopt
our
masterpiece
federal
as
a
separate
resolution,
but
what
I'm
saying
is
now
sort
of
the
time
to
engage
on
issues,
concerns
and
feedback
and
if
there
are
any
significant
ones,
we
would
like
to
know
that,
and
I
just
want
to
be
clear
on
the
process,
because
you
know
we're
building
the
budget
and
bringing
you
a
comprehensive
package
of
things
to
to
review
and
approve
with
the
budget
on
june
22nd.
J
J
While
I
was
on
planning-
and
I
and
I
do
understand
how
much
time
it
takes,
and
so
that's
why
I
don't
think
the
amount
of
money
that's
being
increased
is
going
to
make
that
much
of
a
difference
to
the
city,
but
it
might
make
a
difference
to
a
homeowner
that
is
paying
already
to
have
their
adu
build
or
to
have
their
house
built
to.
You
know
whether
they
want
to
lodge
a
complaint
or
somebody
who
may
not
even
know
how
to
do
it,
know
the
process
and
then
think
I
now
have
to
pay
another.
J
However
much
money
to
you
know
just
to
have
my
complaint
heard,
and
so
I
don't
you
know,
I
think.
If
the
city
wants
to
do
cost
recovery,
then
it
would
be
significantly
more,
but
I
think
just
to
double
it
is
only
going
to
impede
you
know
your
your
single
family,
homeowner
from
appealing
the
big.
The
big
businesses
are
going
to
appeal
whether
it's
700
000.,
so
so
I
would
just
say
that
I
disagree
with
those
increases
altogether,
all
three
of
them
and
then
the
last
one
is
really
more
of
a
comment.
J
I
do
love
the
idea
of
the
grant
around
the
around
the
science
and
would
just
encourage
you
all
to
consider
adding
it
or
expanding
the
small
business
attraction
program.
That's
in
our
initiatives
already,
so
that
we
don't
have
to
worry
about
waiting
another
year
to
get
it
on
the
initiatives
since
we're
going
to
be
revisiting
this
on
in
the
budget
cycle,
and
it
could
be
part
of
the
grant
program
for
attracting
small
businesses
again
and
expanding
to
maybe
improving
the
quality
of
the
existing
businesses.
E
Thank
you,
mr
mayor.
So,
first
of
all
I
want
to
thank
staff
for
really
listening
to
our
comments
last
time
and
going
through
all
of
the
comments
and
all
the
review,
it
really
looks
like
our
comments
were
all
taken
to
heart.
So
definitely
the
extra
work
in
putting
this
together
is
appreciated,
bringing
all
that
back.
I'm
definitely.
E
You
know
feeling
more
comfortable
with
the
the
approach
we're
taking.
Now
it's
a
staged
approach.
It's
a
something!
That's
going
to
be
more
digestible
to
the
people
that
this
affects
directly
and
it
starts
putting
us
on
the
right
track
to
where
we
want
to
be
fiscally.
So
definitely
appreciating
that
you
know
I
I
was
concerned
a
little
bit
about.
You
know
the
incentives
that
we
create
by
by
pricing
things
certain
ways
and-
and
I
think
the
vice
mayor
first
raised
the
issue
of
incentives.
E
I
should
say
only
because
we
we
raise
the
permit
fees
too
high,
so
you
know
I,
I
think,
there's
an
opportunity
there
to
sort
of
keep
an
eye
on
things
to
make
sure
that
we
are
not
going
afoul
of
our
of
our
intent,
which
is
really
to
serve
the
public
better
and
provide
a
structure
where
we're
you
know
doing
our
job
of
protecting
the
community.
So
that's
it
for
for
my
comments,
I
I
there
wasn't
anything
specific.
G
As
a
former
inspector,
when
you
give
somebody
a
free
chance
to
fix
something,
you
dis-incentivize
them
to
do
it
right
the
first
time,
and
so
if
somebody's
got
a
building,
permit
or
encroachment
permit
and
the
rebar
is
supposed
to
be
set
a
certain
way
and
you
come
out
for
the
inspection
and
it's
like.
Oh,
it's
all
wrong.
G
Okay,
it's
free
I'll,
see
you
next
time.
No,
I
think
we
should
stop
that
practice
and-
and
it
should
be
a
full
inspection
fee
of
that
time-
that
it
took
that
inspector
to
drive
out
there
take
a
look
when
the
work
should
have
been
done
right,
the
first
time
we're
dealing
with
professional
licensed
contractors,
and
they
should
do
things
right
the
first
time
and
we
shouldn't
subsidize
their
mistakes.
So
I'm
I'm
gonna
really
strongly
suggest
that
we
revise
that
because
we
shouldn't
be
paying
for
somebody's
mistakes.
A
A
We
show
up
between
the
designated
time
and
now
we're
not
there.
There
are
some
cities
that
say
we
give
you
a
pass
the
first
time,
but
now
we're
going
to
charge
you
the
next
time,
because
our
staff
has
now
had
to
go
out
to
that
isn't
able
to
provide
service
to
somebody
else.
So
that's
accounting
to
what
the
vice
mayor
said
and
on
the
filming.
A
A
A
A
Maybe
it
comes
to
director,
but
I
don't
know
if
that's
inclusive,
but
I
also
do
know
just
from
history.
Is
that
sometimes
before
we
may
even
get
a
a
an
appeal
it
has
maybe
gone
through,
I
can
think
of
an
example.
I
won't
mention
it
but
an
example
where
many
staff
members
had
sat
and
went
back
and
forth
for
I
think
a
couple
days
and
could
come
to
no
resolve.
So
I
think
we
have
to
be
mindful
of
that.
A
A
I
also
want
to
thank
something
I've
been
asking
for
for
years,
and
I
think
it's
a
good
thing
is
credit
card
recovery.
We,
you
know
the
county.
For
years
years,
you
pay
by
a
credit
card
like
your
property
tax,
you
go
and
pay
for
a
building
or
encroachment
at
the
county,
and
you
want
to
use
your
credit
card.
You
may
be
getting
some
good
points,
but
you're
also
paying
for
what
the
county
has
to
pay
to
utilize
that
credit
card.
A
So
in
essence,
we
have
been
subsidizing
that,
and
I
appreciate
that
that
finally
has
come
up,
because
I
think
that
is
time
you
can
still
pay
by
a
check
and
still
be
paid
by
cash,
but
credit
card
fees
have
gone
up
from
the
old
days.
So
those
are
some
of
my
comments
right
now.
Staff
city
manager
want
to,
shall
we
say,
close
this
up
in
any
way.
B
B
We
are
often
inspecting
homeowners
that
take
out
a
homeowner's
permit
newport
and
we
cannot
have
a
reinspection
fee
for
the
licensed
contract,
no
a
reinspection
fee
for
the
licensed
contractors
and
no
re-inspection
fee
for
the
homeowners.
And
so
what
we've
done
is
sometimes
there's
a
simple
mistake:
hey
you
know
what
you
have
to
change,
that
one
thing
and
we'll
come
back
out
and
and
so
in
order
to
be
amenable
to
those
things
we
have
historically
had
the
first
reinspection
free.
B
But
there
is
that
first
reinspection,
knowing
that,
sometimes
things
happen
and
we
we
have
historically
been
amenable
to
that.
With
regard
to
the
film
permit,
we
did
have
a
brief
discussion
with
among
staff
and
we're
going
to
look
into
start,
bringing
that
back
as
simply
an
hourly
rate,
but
we
frankly
do
not
have
any
or
many
at
all,
but.
C
C
B
B
That
we
are
presenting
here
and
then,
mr
mayor,
you
mentioned
credit
card
processing
fees
where
we
currently
do
not
charge
a
credit
card
processing
fee.
We
are
looking
into
that
and
and
may
add
a
credit
card
processing
fee,
there's
sort
of
a
long
conversation
that
we
can
have
into
credit
cards.
Processing
fees,
but
one
of
one
of
the
biggest
challenges
with
credit
card
processing
fees
is
that
the
cost
we
pay
is
actually
dependent
upon
the
card
you
use,
and
so
people
that
use
a
high
malice
card.
B
In
addition,
there
is
state
law
that
does
not
allow
a
processing
fee
on
utility
payments,
and
so
we
would
need
to
adjust
that
and
there
are.
But
there
are
models
around
where
we
can
set
up
our
automatic
pay,
so
people
can
do
more
bank
charges
or
for
bank
debits
than
credit
cards,
and
so
we
are
looking
into
that
and
it's
sort
of
interesting.
We
brought
up
that
topic
because
at
our
finance
department
budget
meeting
today,
we
we
talked
about
that
very
safe
topic,
so.
A
And
again,
honestly,
in
this
county
there
are
a
town-
and
I
think,
a
city
you're
not
allowed
to
use
credit
cards
when
you're
doing,
building
and
encroachments.
You
must
have
check
in
one
town
that
I
know
of
it's
checks,
only
no
cash.
So
I'm
not
saying
that
that's
the
answer,
I'm
just
saying
everybody's
a
little
different,
but
and
on
on
the
appeals.
A
B
B
G
B
B
Direction,
otherwise
we
will
build
them
into
the
feed
schedule,
as
for
polls
we'll
take
another
look
at
it,
but
in
our
final
and
our
last
analysis
they
are
at
the
lowest
cost
recovery
level,
although
we
are
increasing
proposing
to
increase
those
costs.
So
I
would
just
ask
if
there's
anything
that
we
talked
about
where
one
council
member
mentioned
it,
please,
let's
revisit
those,
so
we
walk
out
here
for
clear
direction
because
we
are
building
the
budget
around
these
proposed
fees.
B
To
the
degree
they're
being
raised
as
well
as
anything
else
so
and
for
example,
film
permit,
there
were
a
couple
council
member
comments
and
I
think
staff
is
comfortable,
just
transitioning,
that
to
a
net
cost
model
or
an
hourly
rate
based
on
actual
costs,
and
so
then
anything
else.
We
would
ask
for
clear
direction.
A
G
Yeah,
just
as
a
former
public
works
inspector,
when
you
get
an
encroachment
encroachment
permit,
you
typically
are
licensed.
So
if
we're
talking
on
the
building
side,
where
somebody
gets
a
home
owner
builder
permit,
then
I
could
see
some
flexibility,
but
the
penalty
that
was
described
by
our
city
manager.
That
doesn't
seem
legal
that
we're
charging
more
for
than
an
actual
cost.
G
But
nonetheless,
are
we
distinguishing
between
a
homeowner
builder
or
a
licensed
contractor.
So
so
I
believe
the
way
it
works
in
our
building
department.
A
homeowner
can
get
a
builder
a
home
homeowner
permit
to
do
something
in
their
home
and
that's
one
thing:
if
they
make
a
mistake:
they're
they're,
not
the
professional
and
oh
okay.
Sorry,
you
know
come
back
and
fix
that
compared
to
a
licensed
contractor
who
pulled
the
permit,
made
the
mistake
and
the
inspector
needs
to
come
back
and
see
it
redone.
G
A
B
B
And
so
that's
why
it
is
treated
consistently
across
the
board
with
regard
to
the
legality
of
the
cost
structure
for
the
re-inspection,
the
the
feed
model,
I
believe
addressed
that
and
the
additional
cost
in
in
sort
of
the
detailed
model
with
the
re-inspection
it
was.
It
was
deemed
that
that
was
an
appropriate
level
charge
to
have
the
initial
fee,
plus
25
percent
plus
50.
We
will.
H
Yeah,
so
the
plus
25
is
well,
you
can
infer
it
as
a
penalty,
it's
actually
recovering
costs
that
wasn't
previously
recovered
right,
because,
if
you're
not
charging
for
that
second
one,
but
you
then
start
to
charge
for
the
third,
and
you
incur
that
25,
that's
merely
recovering
the
cost
that
you
hadn't
for
the
second
right,
because
you
had
to
get
to
this
third
or
second
to
get
to
the
third
right.
So
it's
not
actually
a
penalty,
it's
just
back
recovery
of
what
wasn't
recovered
from
the
second.
I
hope
that
makes
sense.
A
B
G
G
Is
there
a
mechanism
that
we
could
waive
the
fee?
That
would
seem
like
if
it
was
a
really
interesting
case
that
we
could
waive
the
fee
if
it
was
something
pretty
pretty
straightforward
that
which
it
seemed
like.
I
could
recall
that
the
two
casino
incidents
where
it
was
pretty
straightforward
that
that
someone
in
that
position
was
pretty
much
asking
for
almost
like
forgiveness.
I
think
in
a
way
it's
kind
of
like
it
was
pretty
clear
and
cut,
but
anyhow
that's
that's
where
I'm
coming
from
on
it.
G
I
I
don't
want
to
to
inhibit
somebody
from
from
appealing
some
a
decision
that
they
feel
is
is
wrong
and
on
their
part,
but
at
the
same
time
it
costs
money
to
have
these
appeals.
So
I'm
kind
of
struggling
with
that
a
little
bit
and
not
sure
exactly
how
to
how
to
be
better.
How
can
we
provide
a
better
solution
to
that
problem?.
A
I
Thank
you,
mr
mayor,
in
response
to
that
vice
mayor
medina,
I
I
do
remember
a
couple
of
other
appeals.
I
think
there's
been
maybe
two
or
three
appeals
involving
trees,
but
be
that
as
it
may,
I
I
don't
yeah,
I
actually
don't
recommend
the
city
council
or
anyone
waiving
those
fees,
and
the
reason
is,
I
think,
really
given
by
your
example,
which
is,
if
you're
only
waiving
fees
for
certain
kinds
of
applicants
or
certain
kinds
of
situations,
you're
prejudging
something
about
that
application,
and
so,
in
order
to
maintain
your
neutrality.
F
So
my
position
on
the
appeals,
were
you
know
I?
Obviously
I
don't
want
to
see
us
in
a
position
where
we're
discouraging
people
from
appealing
if
they
feel
that
they've
that
they
have
a
case.
But
I
think
waiving
the
appeal
fee
would
encourage
people
who
know
they
don't
have
a
case
from
appealing
anyway,
just
as
a
you
know,
just
to
be
spiteful,
you
know,
and
and
just
to
make
the
city
jump
through
an
extra
hoop.
F
So
I,
and
just
as
a
as
kind
of
a
point
of
a
point
of
order,
I
would
recommend,
for
this
part
of
the
of
the
meeting
that
if
there's
a
specific
request
to
make
a
change
that
the
council
members
say,
I
would
like
to
do
this
and
then
we
can
have
a
show
of
hands
to
see
if
there's
support
for
it
and
and
for
their
discussion
as
needed.
But
I
think
that
would
be
just
as
a
suggestion.
It
might
be
a
better
way
to
go
through
it,
because
I
have
a.
A
Okay,
why
don't
we?
Why
don't
we
try
to
get
it
on
the
appellant
fees,
because
that
was
asked,
but
then
council,
member
hamilton,
asked
the
good
thing:
that's
right!
We're
going
to
go
back
to
the
manager
to
based
on
our
second
round
of
comments,
see
if
there's
something
else
we
have
to
hone
in
on.
I.
F
A
J
All
right,
no
I'm
sorry,
my
hand
was
up
because
I
I
wanted
to
make
sure
and
city
manager
grogan
mentioned
the
appeals.
I
just
wanted
to
also
add
that
the
other
request
was
if
we
could
do
that
grant
program
as
part
of
the
existing
initiative,
so
that
we
don't
like
I
said,
have
to
wait
another
year
for
to
to
suggest
it
as
an
initiative
so,
but
we're
on
appeals
right
now.
So
I
guess
at
this
point
is
there
I
don't
support
increasing
any
of
the
appeals,
even
what
I've
just
heard
right
now.
J
E
Thank
you,
mr
mayor,
so
I
I
think
the
vice
mayor
raised
some
good
points,
just
in
kind
of
refreshing.
My
memory
of
what
we
have
seen
in
in
the
past
decade,
there's
only
been
a
handful
of
appeals,
and
I
believe
I
don't
know.
I
think
we
may
have
overturned
one
ever
and
I
don't
think
any
of
those
were
really
related
to
you
know
a
homeowner's
projects.
They
were
all
very.
A
F
Hamilton,
so
my
comment
from
before
regarding
appeals
was
only
that
I
wouldn't
wouldn't
support
waving
the
fee
altogether.
I
would
be,
I
would
support,
leaving
them
where
they
are,
and
the
councilmember
salazar
actually
helped
me
decide
that
by
saying
these
don't
happen
very
often,
so
it's
not
like
we're
leaving
a
lot
of
revenue
on
the
table
by
by
not
raising
the
fees,
so
I
would
support
leading
more
there
and.
A
So
the
point
of
this
I
have
a
hard
time
just
saying,
because
all
of
that
time
that
was
spent
on
that
example,
I'm
trying
to
give
without
giving
more
specifics
was
so
time
consuming
called
us
all
together
for
a
special
meeting
waited
the
applicant
almost
did
not
show
up
and,
and
it
was
going
to
be
done
and
then
they
walked
through
the
door.
So
I
have
a
concern
just
waving
it
period
and
then
two
at
some
points
too.
I
think
there
are
some
things
that
really
shouldn't
be
appealed.
A
There
was
no
need
for
an
appeal
based
on
what
it
was
was
factual
was
to
the
point
they
spent
a
day
on
it,
city
staff,
and
you
had
to
come
so
I'm
not
being
solidified,
but
I
don't
believe
they
should
be
waived,
don't
believe
they
should
be
lowered,
but
I
also
know
we
have
to
keep
up
with
with
staff
time,
but
I
do
appreciate
so
the
the
one
I
think
we
overturned
was
a
tree
and
it
was
to
come
out.
He
they
appealed
it.
A
B
Thank
you,
mayor
medina,
just
a
clarification
on
council
member
tom
hamilton's
comment
with
regard
to
the
appeal
of
staff
decisions,
and
so
it's
not
just
city
manager,
decisions
and,
and
honestly,
there's
sort
of
a
few
of
that
nature
that
sort
of
enter
the
appeal
realm.
Most
of
them
are
actually
on
the
development
side,
and
so,
as
per
our
code,
the
director
of
community
and
economic
development
is
empowered
to
make
certain
decisions
and
those
could
be
appealable
parking.
B
To
the
planning
commission
and
then
that
could
also
be
potentially
appealed
from
planning
commission
to
the
city
council.
So
even
those
because
they're
involving
development
will
require
a
substantial
amount
of
staff,
work
and
and
public
meetings,
and
so
you
just
shouldn't
infer
from
that.
It's
a
staff
level
appeal
that
it's
more
quick.
F
Through
the
mayor,
so
to
clarify
the
the
what
I
what
I
was
hearing
through
council
comments
is
that
these
appeals
don't
happen
very
often.
But
what
you're
saying
is
that,
as
a
council
member,
you
wouldn't
necessarily
see
a
whole
lot
of
appeals
because
there's
a
lot
there's
a
lot
of
them
happening
at
the
staff
level.
Is
that
is
that
fair
to
say
and
do
we
have?
I
hate
to
I
hate
to
even
ask,
but
do
we
have
any
metrics
to
know?
You
know
how
many
appeals
on
in
general?
F
F
G
A
A
B
B
No
problem
incorporating
that
idea
with
that
strategic
initiative,
but
it
is
important
to
point
out
and
remind
council
that
we
currently
do
not
have
resources
to
begin
that
strategic
initiative.
We
at
this
point,
I
cannot
tell
you
when
that
strategic
strategic
initiative
will
begin.
We
will
be
coming
back
to
you
with
an
update
on
all
of
your
strategic
initiatives
and
provide
you
with
the
new
status,
what
the
budgetary
allocations
and
a
projection
on
when
work
will
begin,
and
so
we
can
certainly
add
it
to
the
concept
of
that
initiative.
B
F
So
I
would
like
us
to
go
back
to
the
what
I
brought
up
earlier
regarding
the
administrative
review
for
a
wireless
facility.
So
we
we've
already
established
that
that
that
does
not
apply
to
smell
the
small
cell
towers,
which
my
understanding
from
what
the
city
attorney
told
us.
That's
where
there
would
be
that
where
it
could
be
get
sticky.
G
A
B
G
Yes,
thank
you.
The
one
thing
I
I
didn't
know
I
noticed
wasn't
going
up,
was
the
administrative
fines
for
nuisances
and
those
fine
levels
were
set
at
least
12
years
ago,
and
it
seems
like
if
the
fines
should
be
kind
of
following
along
inflation
as
well.
So
why
wouldn't
we
having
the
citations
go
up
the
administrative
fines.
I
I
The
state
law
was
recently
amended
to
actually
allow
for
additional
fines
for
building
code
violations
of
certain
kinds,
and
then,
when
we
brought
the
particular
section
of
the
municipal
code
to
you
that
had
those
fines
in
it,
we
made
sure
there
was
a
provision
in
there.
That
said,
as
amended
by
the
the
recent
state
law,
so
you
are
now
still
charging
the
maximum
amount
of
fines
that
are
available.
I
I
So
there
there
is
plenty
of
litigation
to
go
around
regarding
whether
particular
fines
are
or
are
not
excessive
and,
for
example,
the
city
of
los
angeles.
The
case
I
reported
on
a
couple
of
months
ago
is
being
sued
over
a
penalty
on
a
parking
ticket
that
adds
up
to,
I
think
about
a
hundred
dollars
as
an
excessive
fine
and
the
cities.
I
A
I
appreciate
you
taking
that
time
because
I
do
know
and
as
you
we
all
know
right
that
we're
going
to
get
emails
when
we
do
and
say
hey,
I
saw
this
and
why
not
just
do
that
and
even
when
it
came
to
firework
stands,
you
know.
Why
didn't
you
at
the
time
when
you
raced
it
from
500
000,
because
that's
what
state
law
allowed
us
to
do?
We
can't
supersede
that.
So
we
have
general
general
law
cities.
We
have
government
votes
et
cetera.
So,
but
thank
you
for
that,
mr
city.
Mr.
G
A
I
Attorney
well,
I
actually
haven't
looked
at
what
san
jose
is
doing
beyond
just
a
short
blurb
that
I
was
provided
with.
So
I
don't
really
know
exactly.
I
haven't
spoken
to
city
attorney,
so
I
don't
know
a
lot
of
details
about
that.
What
I
do
know
is
that
general
law
cities
are
limited
by
state
law
and
charter.
Cities
are
going
to
be
limited
by
both
their
charter
and
the
excessive
fines
provision
of
the
constitution,
as
are
general
law
cities
as
well.
I
B
B
F
So
I
don't
I
don't.
I
don't
necessarily
think
we
should
that
that's
going
to
be
a
disincentive
for
folks
to
to
you
know
intentionally
or
whatever
you
know,
try
to
get
something
by
the
first
inspector
or
anything
like
that,
and
I
and
I
and
I
don't
think
because
I
don't
think
it's
going
to
end
up
being
a
deter
deterrent
for
a
licensed
contractor
and
I
think
it
would
hurt
homeowners
more.
E
I'll
I'll
chime
in
I
agree
that
I
I
don't
think
we
need
to
charge
a
reinspection
fee,
we're
bumping
up
the
initial
fee.
I
don't
know
that.
There's
a
lot
of
second
visits
that
are
required
for
a
lot
of
the
permits
that
we're
issuing
and-
and
I
agree
with
council
member
hamilton-
that
it's
better
to
provide
an
incentive
to
homeowners
to
to
get
their
work
permitted
and
do
it
and
not
have
to
worry
about
getting
dinged
with
an
additional
cost
on
their
projects.
J
B
Sure
there's
a
charge
for
the
first
inspection
for
the
first
reinspection,
so
the
second
inspection
there's
no
charge
for
the
second
re-inspection,
which
would
be
the
third
inspection
there's
the
initial
fee,
plus
25,
and
for
the
third
reinspection
there
is
the
fee
initial
fee
plus
50.
You
know
as
a
caveat.
B
If
I
will,
I
will
say
that
sort
of
a
change
like
this
may
be
one
of
those
changes
that
some
of
our
routine
customers
are
used
to
and
we
may
get
negative
feedback
for
a
change
where
they're
the
customers
that
used
to
dealing
with
us
may
say.
Well
in
your
structure,
I
used
to
get
the
first
reinspection
for
you
that
way
for
the
last
15
years,
and
now
I
have
to
pay
for
that,
and
so
we
may
get
negative
feedback.
J
I
I'm
really
mixed
on
this
one,
I'm
okay,
I'm
okay
with
leaving
it,
as
is
that,
if
just
not
not
knowing
not
yeah,
not
knowing
the
metrics,
I
think
makes
a
big
difference
for
me,
but
I
think
right
now,
I'm
okay
with
leaving
it,
as
is,
if
the
third
one
means
that
you
know
you
haven't
done
it
in
the
re-inspection.
So
that's
kind
of
like
your
grace
period
and
the
third
one
is
punitive
because
you're
paying
the
same
amount
plus
the
25
percent.
A
A
G
A
Okay,
we
might
as
well
throw
that
in
as
city
manager
so-
and
let
me
say
sometimes
it
was
they
allowed
the
first,
but
by
the
second
again
staffs
resources.
It's
time
and
where
it
is,
is
that
the
person
who
made
the
appointment
whether
it
was
the
resident
or
it
was
the
company
they
were
then
held
for
a
re-inspection
fee
per
se?
I
think
that's
what
they
called
it
for
missed
appointment,
any
thoughts
on
that
city
manager
or
to
our
consultants.
B
B
They
are
not
charged
a
missed
inspection
fee,
but
they
are
charged
the
next
time
for
that
sort
of
first
inspection,
and
so
in
the
event
that
a
missed
inspection
only
results
in
one
inspection,
the
city
would
recoup
the
same
amount
of
revenue.
We
would
only
have
a
revenue,
because
the
second
reinspection
is
free
right.
The
we
would
only
have
sort
of
a
true
revenue
loss
if
there
was
a
missed
inspection
and
there
needed
to
be
more
than
two
inspections
for
that.
For
that
permit.
A
Okay-
and
I
may
have
just
skipped
a
beat
here-
no
disrespect-
and
maybe
you
just
said
it
and
I
didn't
interpret
it
correctly,
so
I'm
referencing
I
make
an
appointment
for
tomorrow.
I
have
an
appointment
between
two
and
four
and
the
inspector
comes,
and
then
they
come
back
again.
They
come
at
two
they're
calling
me
they
come
back
at
3
30..
I
don't
show
up.
I
don't
call
and
that's
what
I'm
referencing.