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From YouTube: San Bruno Town Hall Meeting December 19, 2010
Description
San Bruno Town Hall Meeting
regarding the Glenview Fire and Explosion
December 19, 2010
Taped by San Bruno Cable TV
A
A
We
would
first
of
all
like
to
thank
you
for
coming
out
on
this
very
blustery
and
rainy
day
and
welcome
to
our
third
town
hall
meeting.
We
will
conduct
the
meeting
today
in
a
similar
manner
in
which
the
others
were
conducted.
Opening
statements
will
be
made
followed
by
questions
from
you.
We
have
volunteers
present
with
question
cards.
Just
raise
your
hand
to
obtain
a
card.
We
will
do
our
best
to
see
that
the
appropriate
individuals
answer
your
questions.
A
It
has
now
been
three
and
a
half
months
since
the
terrible
tragedy
of
september.
The
ninth-
we
have
come
a
long
way,
both
at
the
site
where
hydra
seeding
is
holding
the
ground
together
and
retaining
wall,
construction
and
replacement
is
underway,
and
also
from
the
point
of
outreach
to
the
community
and
group
and
individual
programs.
You'll
hear
more
about
that.
In
a
little
bit.
A
A
A
B
B
I
had
a
voicemail
earlier
this
morning
from
sue
bullis,
and
I
don't
know
if
sue
is
here.
Sue
are
you
here,
no
sue
bullish,
you
may
remember
lost
her
husband,
her
son,
her
mother-in-law
and
their
beloved
pet,
and
today
she
was
taking
flowers
to
the
site
of
their
former
home
to
pay
respects
and
to
reflect
on
what
has
gone
before.
B
B
It
will
take
a
long
time,
but
we
are
all
here
for
the
long
haul,
and
I
want
you
all
to
know
that
as
well.
As
you
know
your
own
names,
we
will
be
here
for
the
long
haul
now.
Furthermore,
at
the
very
beginning,
back
at
st
roberts,
just
days
after
the
catastrophe
we
held
the
first
town
hall,
and
we
told
you
then
that
we
would,
on
a
regular
basis,
convene
town
halls
to
keep
you
apprised
of.
B
We
have
a
number
of
people
who
are
here
this
afternoon.
The
first
is
mark
rose,
kind,
he's
come
here
from
washington,
d.c
mark.
Why
don't
you
raise
your
hand,
he's
representing
the
national
transportation
safety
board
today
he
will
respond
to
questions
you
have,
as
you
know,
the
national
transportation
state
safety
board.
We
know
it
as
ntsb
came
out
with
their
periodic
report
to
us
as
they
committed
to
do.
B
What
we
do
know
as
a
result
of
the
metallurgical
lab
results,
are
that
some
of
the
most
common
reasons
for
an
explosion,
be
they
corrosion,
either
internally
or
externally,
be
they
third-party
impact
through
damaging
the
pipe
or
through
a
pre-existing
leak.
All
of
those
have
been
ruled
out
now.
So
it's
a
situation
where
we're
ruling
out
potential
reasons
for
this
explosion,
but
the
most
common
reasons
have
now
been
excluded,
so
the
ntsb
is
moving
forward
with
its
investigation.
B
B
B
We
also
have
representatives
from
the
internal
revenue
service
and
the
department
of
insurance
who
are
ready
to
answer
any
questions
you
may
have
about
tax
or
insurance
matters,
and
we
also
have
a
representative
from
the
county
of
san
mateo,
roberta
hauser
and
roberta.
Would
you
there?
You
are
for
those
of
you
that
don't
know
this.
One
of
the
very
important
programs
that
we
wanted
to
make
sure
was
put
in
place
was
a
program
for
support
mental
health
support.
B
B
B
B
The
meeting
oftentimes
goes
longer
than
7
30,
but
it
is
a
a
support
group
for
any
and
all
of
you
that
may
need
assistance
during
what
is
without
question
a
traumatic
event
in
your
lives
and
one
that
we
recognize
is
important
to
address
and
to
the
extent
that
you
would
like
to
meet
in
a
group
setting
that
group
is
available
for
those
of
you
that
don't
want
a
group
setting
and
would
like
one-on-one
counseling
that
is
available
to
you
as
well.
You
should
know
that
pg
e
has
already
committed
to
provide
those
services.
B
B
We've
brought
together
all
the
experts
and
we
will
address
all
the
questions
that
you
have
and
let
me
just
leave
you
with
this
last
thought.
We
are
not
going
away.
We
are
here
for
you
and
will
continue
to
be
here,
for
you.
I've
just
seen
someone
in
the
audience
who
was
at
the
burn
center
in
at
saint
francis
is
that
is
isn't
that.
B
B
You
know
loretta
is
it's
loretta
gould?
She
she
used
to
be
a
volunteer
in
my
office
many
years
ago,
and
I
went
and
visited
her
at
the
burn
center
and
I
can
say
this
now
loretta,
you
look
pretty
bad,
but
you
look
pretty
good
right
now
and
that's
why
we
need
to
be
hopeful
and
optimistic
because
modern
medicine
and
the
burn
center
at
saint
francis
does
remarkable
work
and
we're
thrilled
that
you're
here
today.
Congratulations.
A
C
C
C
C
C
C
C
C
It
is
our
goal
to
find
out
from
those
directly
affected
by
this
catastrophe,
how
best
to
use
or
distribute
these
generally
donated
funds.
Again,
no
decision
has
been
made
regarding
these
funds
and
not
one
cent
has
been
spent.
However,
I
would
like
to
make
clear
what
the
money
will
not
be
used
for.
It
will
not
be
used
for
any
city
expenses
such
as
repairs
to
the
city's
infrastructures
or
staff
salaries.
C
C
If
you
or
anyone,
you
know,
needs
immediate
help,
please
see
the
staff
and
red
cross
representatives,
and
I
believe
there
are
several
here
today
who
I'm
there's
several
people
right
back
there
and
they
will
be
available
at
the
back
of
the
room
at
the
end
of
the
meeting.
Also,
please
again
take
the
flyers,
so
I
thank
you
once
again
for
attending
this
meeting
and
I
hope
it's
helpful
to
everyone.
C
B
B
Hopefully
you
have
these
at
your
places,
but
in
case
you
don't
you
can
see
any
of
the
the
people
standing
over
here
to
to
access
them
the
san
bruno
recovery
resources.
This
is
a
document
where
we
try
to
just
put
all
of
the
numbers
that
you
may
need
on
one
piece
of
paper.
So
if
they're
extra
copies
you
want
to
take
them
for
family
or
friends,
there's
a
whole
stack
of
them
and
katie
ferrick
from
my
staff
has
them
in
the
back
of
the
room
and
you
can
access
them
through
her.
B
The
internal
revenue
service
is
here
they
have
a
room
outside
of
this
main
room
in
which
you
can
go
and
specifically
meet
with
your
questions
relative
to
whether
or
not
anything
you've
received
is
taxable
they've
also
put
together
a
q,
a
with
potential
questions
that
you
may
be
asking
yourselves
and
the
answers
that
they
have
come
up
with.
I
must
tell
you
that
I
did
not
have
a
very
pleasant
meeting
with
the
irs
commissioner,
no
surprise
to
any
of
us.
B
B
But
in
the
meantime,
the
irs
representatives
are
available.
If
you
do
want
to
ask
questions
now,
conceivably,
anything
that
you've
received
in
that
fifteen
thousand
dollar
range
can
be
attributed
to
the
cleanup
associated
with
the
fact
that
fire
retardant
was
sprayed
over
everyone's
home
and
a
case
can
be
made
that
cleaning
up
after
the
fire
retardant
is
sufficient
to
make
good
on
the
the
money
that's
received.
B
Having
said
all
that,
I'm
not
satisfied
with
the
irs
position
and
intend
to
fight
them
any
way
that
I
can
and
we'll
pursue
that
in
the
new
year.
I
think
now
we're
going
to
have
brief
opening
remarks.
Mr
rose
kind
is
going
to
update
you
on
the
ntsb
report
that
came
out
this
last
week
and
then
we'll
have
the
other
representatives
speak
briefly,
three
to
five
minutes
and
then
we'll
open
it
up
to.
D
Questions
first,
thanks
very
much
just
for
inviting
us
and
having
us
here.
It's
really
a
pleasure
to
come
and
speak
with
you,
instead
of
just
having
press
releases
and
emailed
questions,
etc.
So
it's
really
great
to
be
here
and
explain
what
we've
been
finding
and
I'm
just
going
to
cover
three
things
very
quickly.
D
One
is
our
process.
We
actually
have
a
very
straightforward
mission
and
that
is
to
identify
the
probable
cause
of
this
accident
and
then
issue
safety
recommendations
to
ensure
this
tragedy
does
not
happen
again,
not
here
not
anywhere,
and
that
process
involves
a
very
thorough
and
complex
obtaining
a
factual
information.
That's
the
first
part
we're
here
on
site
for
nine
days.
It
continues.
The
second
part
is
to
analyze
that
data,
and
then
the
third
final
piece
is
a
board
meeting
which
held
in
the
public.
D
Second,
a
big
concern
for
everybody,
of
course,
is
so
what?
If
you
find
something
we're
going
to
wait
a
year
to
hear
about
it
at
any
point?
If
the
ntsb
identifies
something,
that's
a
significant
safety
risk,
it
will
issue
urgent
safety
recommendations
if
something
had
been
found
when
we
were
on
site
here
before
something
would
have
been
issued
at
that
time.
D
If
factual
information
comes
out-
and
we
believe
not
just
here-
but
for
the
country
at
large-
that
there's
more
information
that
needs
to
be
obtained
or
an
urgent
safety
recommendation
issued,
that
would
be
done
if
there's
a
hearing
and
information
comes
out.
So
just
so
you
know,
if
something
is
identified,
an
urgent
safety
recommendation
would
come
out,
and
what
does
that
mean?
Yes,
a
letter
goes
to
the
organizations
that
are
affected,
but
it
becomes
public
domain
there'll,
be
a
press
release
it'll
be
on
our
website,
you'll
know
about
it.
D
So
if
there's
an
urgent
recommendation,
it
could
come
out
at
any
time
and
will
be
public,
and
the
other
thing
I
wanted
to
point
out
about
that
is.
Our
expectation
is
that
there
are
other
parties
involved
like
cpuec
pg
e,
et
cetera
fans.
That
know,
what's
going
on
related
to
the
to
the
factual
information,
that's
coming
out
and,
frankly,
it's
our
expectation
because
pg
e
knows
more
about
their
capabilities
and
limitations
and
cpuc
about
their
oversight,
etc.
Really,
it's
our
expectation
if
something
needs
to
be
done,
they're
the
ones
to
make
that
happen.
D
So
if
they
see
something
they
don't
have
to
wait
for
us
and
in
fact
the
directives
already
come
out
to
deal
with
some
of
the
factual
information
that
was
released
on
tuesday.
So
there
should
be
multiple
areas
for
people
if
things
are
identified.
The
other
things
just
to
know
is
more
factual.
Findings
will
be
coming
out
again.
All
of
it
won't
be
held
and
released.
You
see
these
coming
out.
I
would
just
caution
you
not
to
speculate
too
soon.
D
Part
of
the
reason
these
things
take
time
is
it
very
often
the
first
24
7
news
cycle,
everybody's
decided,
what's
happened,
and
I
can't
tell
you
pretty
much
in
almost
all
instances
when
the
full
report
comes
out,
it's
not
even
close
to
what
the
actual
cause
was.
That's
why
these
are
both
complex
and
so
thorough,
and
the
other
thing
you
should
know
is
right.
Now
a
public
hearing
is
under
consideration
by
the
board.
D
This
would
be
a
hearing
where
witnesses
and
other
panelists
would
participate
again
to
help
us
in
our
fact-finding,
and
the
last
thing
I'm
just
going
to
mention
which
the
congressman's
already
identified
and
is
in
your
handout,
which
is
the
factual
information,
was
released.
One.
The
data
that
have
come
out
now
have
identified
that
there
is
no
external
corrosion,
no
excavation
damage,
no
dents,
gouges,
etc,
and
no
prior
leak
was
found.
D
The
other
side
to
know
is
that
the
survey
charts
reported
that
this
was
a
seamless
pipe.
What
we
found
was
a
fairly
long,
longitudinal
seam
in
this
pipe.
That
was
supposed
to
be
seamless
and,
as
many
of
you
may
know,
now,
there's
four
short
pipe
segments
that
are
attached
to
it
as
well,
which
means
there
are
welds,
obviously
to
attach
those
pipes,
and
what
we
have
found
is
that
some
of
those
welds
have
been
welded
from
the
outside
and
the
inside
other
only
from
the
outside.
D
By
the
way
it's
a
great
example
of
you
thought
you
had
a
seamless
pipe
now,
there's
four
times
two
eight
different
segments
to
be
looked
at
very
in
depth.
That's
part
of
the
complexity
that
we
have
to
deal
with
and
just
to
give
you
a
sense
of
again
the
depth
of
what
we
have
to
go
through
is
right.
Now,
ntsb
investigators
are
trying
to
determine
from
1956
what
the
welding
practices
were.
Should
we
be
seeing
external
internal
welds
or
is
the
external
okay?
That's
part
of
what
we're
trying
to
deal
with
right
now.
D
B
Sirozca,
let
me
ask
you
one
question:
before
you
sit
down
you,
you
mentioned
that
there
was
an
external
weld
on
some
of
the
pipe
and
an
external
internal
weld
on
some
of
the
pipe
and
you're
going
back
to
1956
practices
to
see
what
was
appropriate.
Then
my
question
is
whether
it
was
appropriate
then
or
not.
B
D
So
that's
a
great
question:
what
you're
really
asking
about
is
we
need,
first
of
all,
just
to
go
find
out
if
the
pipe
that
was
laid
met,
the
requirements
at
the
time-
and
the
second
part,
of
course,
is
what
do
we
know
now
about
what
I
mean.
Let's
just
say
at
the
time,
internal
external
was
the
way
to
go,
or
maybe
it
was
only
internal.
D
B
B
All
right
next
we're
going
to
hear
from
fimsa.
I
know
that
this
drives
you
nuts,
because
we
tend
to
use
acronyms
because
the
the
the
names
of
all
of
these
federal
agencies
are
too
long,
and
that
should
be
a
bill.
I
introduce
at
some
point
too,
but
this
is
zach.
Barrett
he's
the
director
of
state
programs
for
the
pipeline
and
hazardous
materials,
safety,
administration.
E
Thank
you.
Can
you
guys
hear
me
thanks?
I've
got
this
powerpoint
presentation
because
I'm
used
to
going
a
lot
deeper
into
the
state
programs
and
probably
what
you're
interested
in
so
we'll
try
to
skip
through
this
fairly
quickly.
I'd
like
to
begin
by
expressing
my
heart
felt
sympathies
for
this
community
and
your
family.
From
talking
with
the
mayor
and
some
of
the
folks,
you
guys
have
really
pulled
together,
as
people
tend
to
do
at
the
wake
of
this
tragic
incidents,
and
you
should
commend
yourselves
for
that.
E
Absolutely
I've
been
asked
to
come
here
today
to
speak
to
you
about
state
programs
like
we
have
with
here
in
california,
the
california
public
utilities.
Commission
the
way
the
state
programs
typically
work
is
there
are
52
state
programs
currently
in
place.
Alaska
and
hawaii
don't
participate
in
state
programs.
Pipeline
safety
encourages
state
programs
to
be
in
place.
There's
like
two
over
two
million
miles
of
distribution
pipeline
transmission
pipeline
intra-state
pipeline
that
state
programs
oversee
in
behalf
of
for
fimsa.
E
E
Femsa
has
two
types
of
agreements
that
you
know.
First
of
all,
we
we
give
grant
money
to
encourage
states
to
participate
in
the
pipeline
safety
program
in
2009
it
was
30
and
a
half
million
dollars
in
2010
it
was
36
and
a
half
million
dollars
to
reimburse
states
for
their
pipeline
safety
programs
and
what
they're
doing
is
their
inspection
of
of
pipelines
or
in
their
investigation
of
incidents
in
their
day-to-day
businesses,
so
so
that
that
equated
to
about
64
percent
of
their
federal
funding
or
64
of
their
total
program.
E
Cost
in
2009
was
provided
by
our
agency
prior
to
that
in
2008
and
2007,
the
funding
wasn't
there
and
states
shared
the
the
the
burden
of
the
funding.
They
funded
their
programs,
approximately
60
of
the
time
there
california
puc,
has
what
we
call
a
6105
certification
with
us.
That
means
that
they
can
inspect
the
pipelines
and
also
they
can
enforce
against
those
pipelines.
E
Most
all
the
states
that
we
have
matter
of
fact.
All
52
of
the
states
that
we
have
have
that
type
of
agreement
with
us.
Some
states
also
act
as
interstate
agents
for
us
up,
like
in
washington
state
where
we
have
an
agreement
with
them
to
inspect
the
interstate
pipelines,
which
is
our
primary
core
piece
of
business
interstate.
If
a
state
program
doesn't
have
a
pipeline
safety
program
in
place,
we're
the
backstop
for
that
it
falls
to
femza,
to
inspect
the
pipelines
and
and
on
behalf
you
know,
it's
always
refers
to
us.
E
If
there's
not
a
state
program
placed
like
in
alaska
and
hawaii
we're
responsible
to
go
out,
there
inspect
those
pipelines,
do
the
investigations
and
that
sort
of
thing.
So
with
that
to
try
to
stay
within
the
three
to
five
minutes,
I
would
leave
it
to
you
to
be
around
here
afterwards
and
to
answer
your
questions
and
do
what
we
can
to
tell
you
about
pipeline
safety
and
state
programs.
Thank
you.
F
F
F
They
are
very
thorough.
They
are
very
detailed.
I
marvel
at
the
detailed
work
that
these
folks
do,
and
we
are
I'm
here
to
assure
you
that
we
are
in
the
process
of
of
examining
that
which
they
found
and
we'll
take
enforcement
action
when,
where
appropriate,
at
the
end
of
that
process,
the
documents
that
were
in
the
chronicle
this
morning
that
were
referred
to
in
the
chronicle
this
morning
are
the
very
first
stages
of
our
audit.
Our
investigation
of,
what's
going
on
that,
was
conducted
beginning
in
may
of
2010.
F
You'll.
Also
note
from
the
press,
of
course,
that,
thanks
to
congresswoman
spears
efforts
to
the
efforts
of
senator
padilla,
similar
member
hill
and
others,
we
have
four
more
staff
allocated
to
us.
Those
people
are
in
the
process
of
being
hired.
We've
hired
one
we're
in
the
process
conducting
the
interviews
early
next
week
for
the
remaining
folks.
F
A
G
Well
good
afternoon
and
thank
you,
congresswoman
speer
and
mary
juan
for
the
invitation
again
to
participate
in
this
town
hall,
and
thank
you
all
for
coming
out
and
joining
us
today
on
this
very
wet
sunday.
I'm
going
to
briefly
talk
about
four
points
and
then,
of
course,
we'll
be
happy
to
take
any
questions
you
might
have.
I
want
to
cover
what
we've
done
since
september,
9th
in
terms
of
safety
safety
to
our
gas
transmission
system.
G
G
And
then
I
want
to
touch
on
the
ntsb
findings
that
you've
heard
already
quite
a
bit
about
today.
In
terms
of
our
safety,
we
pg
e
has
completed
a
complete
re-leak
survey
of
our
entire
gas
transmission
system,
including
the
three
pipelines
that
serve
the
san
francisco
peninsula
and
in
specific
to
san
bruno.
We
continue
to
patrol
line
132
the
line
that
ruptured
on
an
ongoing
basis
and
that
will
continue
until
the
findings
from
the
ntsb
are
concluded,
and
we
know
exactly
what
we
are
going
to
go
after
and
specific
to
san
bruno.
G
There
has
been
a
lot
of
activity
around
here
in
terms
of
excavating
pipelines
to
ensure
we
look
and
check
on
the
integrity
of
those
pipelines.
More
specifically,
there's
been
some
activity
around
highway
101
near
7th
street.
On
our
pipeline
we
call
line
101
where
we
actually
dug
up
the
pipe
to
ensure
that
the
pipeline
itself
was
not
making
contact
with
what
we
call
a
casing,
which
is
a
bigger
piece
of
pipe
that
goes
underneath
the
freeway,
and
then
our
pipeline
goes
through
that,
should
that
casing
contact
occur
over
a
long
period
of
time.
G
G
We
will
reach
out
to
our
large
customers
to
our
sophisticated
gas
customers
who
get
a
discount
on
their
gas
transmission
rate
each
and
every
day,
and
in
return
for
that
reduce
the
amount
of
gas
they
utilize.
If
that
gas
is
needed
for
small
residential
and
small
business
customers,
should
the
temperature
get
down
to
32
degrees,
the
temperature
for
which
we
design
for,
and
we
call
an
abnormal
peak
day
at
pg
e?
Should
it
get
to
those
freezing
temperatures?
G
In
terms
of
line
132,
I
shared
previous
town
halls
and
I've
shared
just
briefly
here.
All
of
our
focus
has
been
been
focused
on
being
prepared
for
this
winter.
We
have
not
done
any
significant
work
on
activities,
including
new
routes,
for
line
132,
but
I
want
to
re-emphasize
what
we
stated
earlier
and
that
is
that
pipeline
will
not
go
back
into
the
same
place
for
which
it
ruptured.
G
We
will
find
a
new
route
for
that
pipeline
and
any
activity
around
line
132
and
the
rerouting
of
132
will
include
working
with
the
city
of
san
bruno
elected
officials
and
the
cpuc
the
decision
to
what
we
do.
There
is
critical
to
the
entire
san
francisco
peninsula
and
everybody
needs
to
be
engaged
to
ensure
we
have
the
right
decision.
G
We
are,
we
are
conducting
an
extensive
project
to
go
back
and
look
at
the
original
documents
by
which
every
one
of
our
pipelines
were
built
and
ensure
that
those
discrepancies
don't
exist
in
any
of
our
other
records.
It's
critical
that
that
information
be
right,
and
we
take
this
very
very
seriously
again.
Thank
you
for
the
invitation
today
and
I
look
forward
to
your
questions.
A
A
I
So,
following
on
what
the
chief
said,
our
primary
immediate
interest
is
to
make
sure
that
the
investigative
all
of
the
necessary
investigative
activities
have
been
completed.
When
that
is
done,
we
will
fill
in
the
hole
and
then
evaluate
whether
the
glenview
street
and
sidewalk
area
can
be
made
safe
for
pedestrian
and
vehicle
travel.
I
I
A
E
A
A
I
Yes,
we
will
put
the
email
addresses
and
contact
names
and
information
that
is
best
and
most
expedient
for
members
of
the
public
to
connect
with
the
various
agencies
that
are
here
today
and
any
others.
We
will
post
those
on
our
website
if
you
don't
have
internet
access
or
would
prefer
to
receive
that
information
in
a
different
manner.
Please
let
us
know
at
the
back
of
the
room
and
we'll
make
sure
that
you
receive
it.
Thank
you.
A
All
right,
the
last
one,
why
aren't
we
notified
by
phone
or
email
contacted
by
the
people
who
are
in
charge
of
funds
that
are
to
be
given
to
victims?
We
need
cash
funds.
I
believe
councilwoman
o'connell
already
addressed
that
issue
and
she
gave
you
some
phone
numbers
and
she
is
available
here,
along
with
the
flyers
that
were
given
out
earlier
to
to
assist
you
in
in
those
respects.
D
So
we
know
about
them,
and
my
understanding
is
that
when
our
folks
were
here
for
nine
days,
they
were
unavailable.
They've
been
identified,
and
our
folks
will
be
here
in
the
first
couple
weeks
of
january
to
interview
not
only
them,
but
even
more
people
actually
with
pg
e
san
bruno
and
cpuc.
So
they'll
be
here
in
the
first
couple
weeks
of
january's,
not
just
for
those
two.
But
a
bunch
of
other
folks
have
been
identified
for
us
to
interview
as
well.
B
D
So
I
had
to
go
get
my
update
as
well,
because
I'm
just
going
to
read
this
to
you,
which
is
that
first,
there
was
visual
non-destructive
testing
that
was
done
and
that
included
examining
the
condition
of
the
whales.
They
were
evaluated
by
visual
inspection,
x-ray,
radiography
magnetic
particle
inspection
to
look
at
any
defects
or
regularities,
pipe
thickness.
Surveys
we're
conducting
using
ultrasonic,
thickness
testing,
and
I
have
emails
of
everyone.
You
can
call
to
ask
about
what
these
really
mean,
because
they're
very
highly
technical
and
the
ruptured
surfaces
now
are
actually
being
evaluated.
D
I'm
using
low
magnification
optical
microscopes
samples
have
already
been
cut
for
evaluation,
they're
undergoing
examination
by
high
magnification
optical
microscopes
scanning
electron
microscopes,
and
this
basically
allows
us
to
look
at
the
origination
of
the
fracture,
how
it
propagated
and
any
failure
mechanism
that
would
have
been
in
there.
That's
the
venue
for
the
ntsb,
so
looking
at
the
current,
if
anything
we
find
applies
to
anything
currently
there
that
would
fall
to
pg
e
or.
D
B
B
The
first
question
is
one
that
I
should
attempt
to
answer.
When
will
we
know
if
the
act,
meaning
the
bill
that
jackie
spear
introduced
and
jerry
hill
introduced
to
declare
that
the
money
is
non-taxable
will
be
approved
or
not
so
the
situation
is
as
follows.
I
have
introduced
a
bill
in
the
111th
congress
that
is
coming
to
a
close.
B
B
There
is
a
simpler
solution
and
that's
what
I
want
the
commissioner
to
exercise
in
the
tax
code.
He
has
discretion
in
which
he
can
exercise
that
discretion
to
deem
that
all
payments
made
by
pg
e
under
the
circumstances
are
not
taxable
and
that's
where
I
am
focused
right
now,
because
it's
a
much
swifter
resolution,
because
tax
time
is
no
later
than
april
15th.
B
We
know
that,
and
many
of
you
want
to
actually
file
your
returns
before
then,
but
we're
going
to
run
through
a
couple
of
these
questions
and
then
I
have
a
question
for
p
genie,
but
I
don't
know
that
we
have
anyone
here,
that's
authorized
to
answer
it
and
if
not,
then
you'll
have
to
get
back
to
us.
Okay
have
any
impact
on
the
well.
Let's
see
now,
let's
try
this
one
well,
we
need
to
pay
taxes
on
money
received
from
pg
e.
J
J
That's
why
me
and
my
staff,
with
excellent
tactile
knowledge
is
in
the
back
conference
to
help
you
answer
any
specific
questions.
We
also
have
flyers
like
this
with
q,
a
that
actually
answers
specific
to
your
situation,
because
the
money
that
you
received
might
be
in
different
situations,
different
scenarios,
all.
B
B
J
And
it
depends,
and
the
reason
is
that
it
depends
on
what
is
this
15
000?
Fifteen
thousand?
That's
one
five
is
going
toward
if
your
home
is
damaged
in
the
extent
of
the
fifteen
thousand
dollars,
and
that
is
your
basis
of
the
home,
then
no,
it
will
not
be
recognized
as
income,
so
it
doesn't
not.
It
does
not
need
to
be
included
in
your
tax
return.
J
Right
is
the
damage.
To
that
extent,
if
the
damage
is
to
the
extent
of
the
fifteen
thousand
dollars
and
that
fifteen
thousand
dollars
is
used
to
repair,
then
obviously
there's
no
recognition.
Okay,
the
question
becomes,
it
depends
if
you
do
not
have
fifteen
thousand
dollars
of
loss.
If,
let's
say
your
loss
is
five
thousand
dollars,
then
yes,
however,
if
this
is
reference
to
your
principal
residence,
as
I
understand
this
may
happen
to
your
rental
or
your
business,
but
if
it's
relevant
to
your
principal
residence,
then
no.
J
B
H
And
also,
let
me
and
also
I
think,
congress
congresswoman
spears
made
a
very
good
point
early
on
talking
about
the
fire
retardant
and
then
smoke.
So
if
anyone
had
fire
retardant,
every
house
I
understand
was
sprayed.
So
you
would
not
have
to
declare
that
fifteen
thousand
dollars
or
that
twenty
25
000
is
gross
income.
H
H
Do
you
have
to
pay
taxes
on
it?
For
the
most
part,
we
got
a
clear
answer
and
congresswoman
spears
stated
earlier
with
that
fire
retardant
smoke.
If
you
receive
those
dollars,
ten
thousand
fifteen
thousand
dollars,
your
house
is
much
work
more
more
worth
more
than
fifteen
or
twenty
five
thousand
dollars.
J
Receipt
and
and
that's
and
that's
the
depending
part,
because
if
the
insurance
company
has
refunded
you
for
a
portion
of
what
you
spent
on
the
cleanup
and
that's
one
of
the
questions
that
are,
you
know,
of
course,
from
our
national.
We
have
a
ruling
on
that,
and
that
is
inclusive
in
this
packet.
We
have
couple
of
very
well
expert,
knowledgeable
agents
in
the
back
that
can
assist
you
with
specific
questions
to
your
situation,
whether
or
not
you
receive
insurance
money
or
whether
or
not
you
know
you
need
receipts
in
this
situation.
B
All
right,
here's
another
question:
I
you
know
I
I
have
I've
talked
to
the
commissioner
about
this.
He
said
he
was
going
to
send
me.
You
know
people
that
can
make
respond
to
these
questions
and
I
got
to
tell
you
well.
I
appreciate
the
straightforward
answer
you
given.
I
have
I'm
not
very
pleased
with
your
answers.
B
H
B
What
I
want
you
to
do
is
report
back
to
the
ins,
to
the
commissioner
of
the
internal
revenue
service,
that
he
should
do
the
simple
thing,
which
is
to
use
his
discretion
so
that
we
have
don't
have
to
go
through
this.
You
know
charade,
frankly,
as
it
relates
to
the
money
received
by
these
persons
who
have
lost
their
homes,
lost
portions
of
their
homes
are
coping
enough
and
don't
need
the
irs
breathing
down
their
necks.
B
H
B
J
So
it's
okay!
So
in
this
situation,
if
a
taxpayer,
if
the
person
in
question
has
a
property
that
they
receive,
five
hundred
thousand,
you
said
from
50
000,
okay,
50
000,
and
they
have
a
basis
of
250
000.
Now,
if
the
money
is
spent
on
using
for
the
purpose
of
you
know
incurring
the
causes
during
the
stay
in
a
hotel
or
during
the
stay
of
the
time
frame
that
they
lost
their
home,
then
no
in
that
situation
that
money
is
not
taxable
do.
J
Oh
sorry,
the
question
is
whether
or
not
the
money
that
you
receive
from
a
charitable
conservation
contribution
would
be
taxable
and
it
depends
on
the
circumstances
that
you're
in
normally
generally
it's
not
taxable
okay.
But,
however,
if
you
receive
money,
that's
coming
from
insurance
and
receiving
money,
that's
coming
from
pg
e,
in
addition
to
receiving
the
money,
that's
from
a
charitable
contribution-
and
it
all
depends
on
your
basis
in
the
home.
B
Okay,
this
is
what
I'm
going
to
do.
There's
a
series
of
questions
here:
okay,
it's
like
10
or
15,
which
basically
you're
punting
on
you're
saying
it
just
depends.
So
this
is
what
I'm
going
to
tell
everyone
who's
gathered,
and
I
want
you
to
convey
this.
I
will
convey
it
to
him
as
well.
I
want
the
commissioner
to
come
to
san
bruno
and
we're
going
to
have
a
town
hall
specifically
on
issues
relative
to
the
internal
revenue
service
and
we're
going
to
convince
him
that
he
needs
to
do
the
right
thing.
B
A
F
In
south
san
francisco,
just
north
of
the
area,
I'm
going
to
ask
kirk
johnson
to
answer
the
question
as
to
what
the
the
status
is.
We
have
certainly
we've
certainly
told
him
to
turn
the
pressure
down
by
20
and
the
and
the
pressure
remains
reduced
across
the
the
entire
peninsula
and
and
now
in
a
couple
of
of
locations
in
in
the
east
bay.
So
mr
johnson
can
tell
you
the
the
specifics
of
the
situation.
A
mile
and
a
half
north
of
here.
G
I
I
believe
the
question
is
probably
focused
on
the
segment
of
pipe-
that's
north
of
here
that
has
been
brought
up
in
the
news
several
times,
and
so
engineering
is
ongoing
with
that
we're
in
the
process
of
trying
to
get
engineering
completed,
getting
permits,
completed
and
construction
will
take
place
as
soon
as
all
those
permits
and
a
construction
time
period
is.
Is
there
we
would
expect
that
to
occur
in
2012
at
the
latest
2013,
but
everything
is
moving
along
as
quickly
as
we
can
make
it
move.
A
F
A
H
H
H
H
So
we
are
convening
our
special
board
on
tuesday
I've
communicated
to
about
six
families
in
the
last
few
days.
Unfortunately,
we've
narrowed
down
our
gifts
to
the
55
families.
It's
not
that
we
won't
consider
any
other
requests,
but
our
priority
is
to
55
displaced
families.
So,
and
I
don't
really
want
to
give
my
cell
phone
number
right
now,
but
I
want
you
to
see
my
face
and
I
will
be
here
after
the
meeting
and
please
feel
free
to
come
up
to
me.
Thank.
A
I
Or
extensive
work
has
been
done
in
the
canyon
already
to
secure
the
canyon
from
an
erosion
control
perspective
city
staff.
Our
engineers
are
monitoring
that
constantly
and
they
are
satisfied
that
the
work
done
and
the
and
the
monitoring
that's
occurring
is
sufficient
to
secure
that
the
canyon
will
not
continue
to
erode
away.
I
I
Lastly,
the
canyon
is
not
safe
for
you
to
walk
in
or
to
go
near,
it's
there's
a
very
steep
drop-off,
and
until
that
area
is
reforested
and
open
to
the
public
it
is.
It
is
not
safe
for
people
to
be
walking
in
or
around
the
area.
It
is
a
very
steep
drop-off
and
we're
concerned
for
your
safety
in
the
current
state
of
the
canyon,
from
a
public
accessibility.
B
G
The
the
rating
of
the
pipeline
is
determined
at
the
time
it's
built
and
constructed
and
tested,
and
so
that
pipeline,
whether
seamless
or
seemed
the
pipeline
maop
maximum
available
operating
pressure
is
400
pounds
line.
132
is
con,
is
made
up
of
both
seamed
and
seamless
pipelines,
and
all
of
that
has
been
tested
for
a
rating
of
400
pounds.
B
E
I
think
what
she's
referring
to
is
her
gas
integrity
management
regulations
and
for
a
pipeline
which
has
not
been
pressure
tested
before
the
five
years
prior
to
that
pipeline
becoming
a
high
consequence
area.
There's
a
benchmark
set.
The
company
has
to
look
back
and
find
the
highest
pressure.
That
pipeline
has
seen
within
those
previous
five
years.
E
B
B
B
E
It's
an
increase
in
pressure.
You
know
we
don't
use
the
term
spike.
Okay,
there's
an
increase
in
pressure,
whether
or
not
that
pressure
was
increased
over
the
previous
benchmark.
That
was
set
in
that
previous
five
years
is
the
question
I
can't
speak
to
that,
but
that's
something
that
the
public
utilities,
commission,
I'm
sure,
is
looking
into.
B
All
right
375.,
so
I'm
just
trying
to
understand
at
what
point?
Is
there
something
beyond
direct
assessment
that
is
done
if
it's
based
on
spiking
or
an
increase
in
pressure?
If
it's
375
psi
it
bumped
up
to
386,
if
nothing
had
happened,
if
it
hadn't
have
exploded,
would
you
have
required
anything
beyond
the
typical
direct
assessment
that
pg
e
has
been
doing
with
that
kind
of
of
a
spike.
E
G
Each
person
involved
should
have
a
direct
linkage
to
someone
who
can
answer
that
specific
question
for
you
and
if
you
don't,
if
you
want
to
come
forward
at
the
end
of
this
meeting,
we'll
take
your
name
and
make
sure
that
account
rep
reaches
out
and
answers
any
question
you
might
have
about
any
of
the
real
estate
programs.
Pg
e
has.
G
G
The
lines
when
they're
originally
constructed
many
of
them
have
had
a
hydrostatic
test
in
terms
of
the
integrity
management
program,
the
tools
in
terms
of
the
integrity
management,
the
tools
we
now
use
and
started
earlier
this
decade,
all
the
lines
in
the
san
francisco
peninsula.
We
have
used
the
ecda
method,
external
corrosion,
direct
assessment.
If
that's,
if
that's
the
question.
B
E
E
So
that's
that's
the
ecda.
If
you're
looking
to
try
to
address
an
external
corrosion
threat,
that's
what
you've
identified
through
your
gathering
of
information
and
you're
integrating
of
information
as
the
threat
to
that
pipeline
segment.
That
is
appropriate
to
do
as
you
gain
and
learn
more
information.
Obviously,
that
can
trigger
you
to
have
to
do
more
different
assessments
and
use
different
tools.
B
F
D
F
H
B
B
A
G
H
H
B
F
H
B
G
I'll
we'll
get
back
to
you
and
I'll
follow
up
on
the
questions
and
make
sure
we
understand
what
they
were
earlier,
but
in
in
general.
What
I
want
to
state
is
line.
132
has
a
maximum
allowable
operating
pressure
of
400
pounds
for
the
length
of
the
line
up
into
essentially
the
location
where
our
regulator
station
is
at
that's
roughly
on
the
border
between
san
francisco
county
and
san
mateo
county.
G
All
of
the
line
line
132
for
integrity
management
purposes.
We
used
ecda
external
corrosion,
direct
assessment.
It
was
used
throughout
the
pipeline,
so
everything
on
line
132
that
operates
at
400.
Pounds
was
treated
the
same
in
terms
of
specifics
on
a
location,
we'll
have
to
look
at
the
drawings
and
get
back
to
you
on
those.
B
Correct
so
what
is
pg
e
doing,
knowing
now
that
it's
not
corrosion?
It's
not
third-party
damage,
it's
not
a
pre-existing
leak.
I
mean
we're
starting
to
focus
in
on,
for
instance,
welds.
Are
you
doing
anything
along
that
transmission
line
to
look
at
wells,
particularly
with
the
contractor
that
put
that
pipeline
in
at
132.
G
Well
specific
specific
to
the
lines,
I
think
that
brings
up
the
significant
point
we
have
here,
and
that
is
once
we
determine
what
caused
the
issue.
We
can
then
determine
what
the
tools
are
necessary
to
check
the
integrity
of
the
pipelines.
Now
that
we
have
an
issue
that
we
know
about
that
previously
we
were
unaware
of,
and
so
we
can't
speculate
as
to
what
that
is.
I
think
the
key
issue
here
is
the
pressure
and
those
pipelines
have
been
reduced
by
20
percent.
G
That's
a
significant
change
in
the
safety
factor
and
in
fact
the
cpuc
issued
an
order
for
every
pipeline
with
similar
characteristics
in
our
service
territory
to
again
reduce
the
pressure
by
20
percent.
I
those
are
the
the
immediate
actions
taking
place
to
ensure
that
we
have
adequate
safety
factors,
significant
safety
factors
in
those
pipelines.
G
Once
we
have
an
answer
once
we
know
exactly
what
caused
it,
then
all
the
regulators,
all
of
us
involved,
will
sit
down
and
ask
what
is
the
appropriate
tool
and
what
can
we
do
to
check
the
integrity
of
the
pipeline?
I
know
that's
what
everybody
wants
to
get
to
that's
what
we
want
to
get
to,
but
we
can't
speculate
as
to
what
that
is
and
fool
ourselves.
We've
got
to
know
the
cause.
G
Let's
first
talk
about
conservation
and
that's
a
significant
part
of
our
plan
for
meeting
all
of
our
winter
load
in
the
san
francisco
peninsula
for
december.
There
is
a
separate
plan
for
simply
san
mateo
and
san
francisco
counties
for
those
to
use
less
gas
than
they've
used
in
the
previous
years.
It's
focused
entirely
on
this
county
and
that's
for
december
much
of
december
already
has
moved
through
in
terms
of
next
month.
We
have
a
a
more
broad-based
conservation
program,
and
that
is
there's
a
discount
on
your
bill.
G
G
Well,
they're
already
they're
the
references
we've
already
put
in
a
lot
of
what
we
call
regulator,
stations
in
the
city
of
san
bruno
and
by
regulator
stations.
We
can
limit
the
pressure
if
you
limit
the
pressure
on
those
to
zero
pounds,
that's
the
equivalent
of
an
automatic
shutoff
valve.
We
have
put
those
in
many
locations
on
cross
ties
up
in
through
this
area
and
then
the
broader
plan,
of
course,
is
much
much
greater
in
scope.
B
G
Area
the
the
route
that
that
pipeline
takes
has
not
been
determined,
but
in
terms
of
the
location
of
the
pipe
that's
been
taken
out
of
service.
It's
been
taken
out
of
service
again,
roughly
half
a
mile
south
of
of
of
san
bruno
avenue
on
on
skyline
boulevard
at
just
at
the
near
the
watershed.
If
you
will,
and
if
you're
traveling
south
you'll
see
it
on
your
right
hand,
side
and
then
the
other
connection
point
is
on
crestwood
at
a
place.
G
We
call
healy
station
and
that's
the
other
location
it
that
the
ultimate
route
that
we
need
to
get
to
needs
to
bring
gas.
From
that
point,
the
point
south
of
san
bruno
avenue
in
and
around
in
some
route
over
to
heli
station,
that's
a
segment
of
pipe
roughly
one
and
a
half
miles.
That's
currently
out
of
service,
and
again
we
haven't
done
any
routing
on
that
and
if
we
do
and
when
we're
ready
to
do
that,
to
have
that
discussion,
we
will
be
talking
to
the
city
of
san
bruno.
Other
officials
in
the
cpuc.
B
B
B
A
B
H
B
B
A
All
right,
this
is
a
very
long
statement,
but
I'm
just
going
to
read
a
small
portion
of
it
because
it's
followed
by
a
question.
It's
talking
about
ops
office
of
pipeline
safety,
the
agency
issued
a
warning
to
pipeline
operators
in
1988
that
proposed
a
dire
dire
solution.
These
recent
failures-
and
these
are
pipeline
well
failures-
have
caused
ops
to
reevaluate
the
safety
of
continued
operation
of
all
pre-1970
pipelines
with
the
out-of-date
wells.
Why
isn't
ntsb
issuing
an
urgent
safety
recommendation
for
all
gas
pipelines
with
these
pre-1970
wells
throughout
the
country?
Now.
D
B
My
understanding
is
that,
if
you
receive
up
to
thirteen
thousand
dollars,
it
is
not
subject
to
a
gift.
Tax
is
pg
e
willing
to
either
pay
the
tax
on
any
money
over
thirteen
thousand
dollars.
So
everyone
who
is
grappling
with
this
issue
can
rest
easy
that
one
way
or
the
other
either
we
get
the
the
irs
commissioner
to
address
this
with
his
prerogative
that
he
has
or
pg
e
will,
will
actually
pay
the
the
tax
on
the
money
that's
been
given
today.
G
Congresswoman
spear,
my
name
is
kirk
johnson,
I'm
the
vice
president
of
gas
engineering
and
operations,
but
but
I
seriously
will
take
that
note
back
and
we
will
get
back
to
you.
I
will
make
a
call
immediately
after
to
our
our
legal
staff
and
our
finance
staff
and
see
if
that's
a
a
potential
solution
to
this
ongoing
problem.
B
Shareholders,
not
rate
payers
yeah,
it's
a
question
to
pg
e
shareholders,
not
rate
payers
yeah.
We
we
get
that
so
so
everyone
understands
there
is
a.
There
is
a
kind
of
walk
around,
which
is
for
those
that
receive,
for
instance,
the
fifteen
thousand
dollar
gifts
or,
however,
it's
been
defined
that
for
the
portion
that
exceeds
13
000
to
the
15
000,
whatever
the
tax
would
be
on
that
pg
e
would
pay
for
it,
and
then
there
wouldn't
be
an
issue
surrounding
it.
B
But
I'm
actually
concerned
about
this
issue
for
all
of
you
and
for
the
next
catastrophe,
where
there
is
a
deep
pocket
that
is
going
to
be
able
to
help
make
people
whole
again
that
they
just
should
not
be
subject
to
the
irs.
You
know
creating
that
kind
of
a
constant
consternation,
so
so
we're
going
to
pursue
this
no
matter
what,
but
there
is
potentially
a
a
an
opportunity
to
try
and
address
it
for
you
specifically,
so
that
you're
not
any
more
anxiety
ridden
than
you
already
have
been.
B
So
I
think
I'm
going
to
conclude
my
remarks
again
by
saying
thank
you
very
much
for
your
attention
and
for
the
manner
in
which
you've
asked
your
questions,
and
I
wish
you
a
blessed
new
year
and
happy
holidays
and
again
we
will
convene
a
meeting
in
january
with
the
irs
commissioner.
So
all
of
you
that
have
questions
will
be
able
to
level
them
appropriately
at
the
commissioner.
Thank
you.
A
All
right,
thank
you
and
I
will
conclude
my
remarks
with
two
items.
First
of
all,
the
city
of
san
bruno
invites
you
to
a
gathering
of
the
glenview
neighborhood
the
flyers
in
the
back.
Please
get
it
on
the
way
out.
It
will
be
held
saturday
january
8th
right
here
at
the
senior
center
there's
going
to
be
some
music,
some
food,
some
children's
activities
and
some
talking
with
neighbors
and
city
officials
and
it's
co-hosted
by
11
or
12
other
non-profit
organizations.
So
please
we
look
forward
to
seeing
you
there
also.