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From YouTube: San Bruno Planning Commission Meeting Sept. 20, 2016
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San Bruno Planning Commission Meeting
September 20, 2016
trt 1:28:20
B
A
E
B
Cheer
bsod
I'd
like
to
bring
to
your
attention
this
evening
that
staff
is
recommending
that
the
agenda
be
reorganized
to
move
item
e
on
your
agenda
pertaining
to
Caltrans
property
at
northwest
corner
of
san
bruno
avenue,
west
and
Glen
View
Drive
to
the
beginning
of
the
agenda.
We
have
a
spokesperson
here
for
that
item
that
has
other
commitments
this
evening.
So
it
would
be
helpful
if
we
could
have
that
item
first
on
the
agenda
very
good.
If.
A
A
F
Thank
you
and
good
evening
planning
commissioners.
As
indicated
the
item
before
the
Planning
Commission
tonight
is
a
temporary
use.
Permit
request
to
establish
an
off-site
construction
staging
area
within
the
crestmore
neighborhood
site
itself,
as
seven
acres
in
total
area
is
located
on
the
northwest
corner
of
san
bruno
avenue.
England
edrive
site
is
currently
owned
by
the
state
of
California
and
is
leased
by
the
Church
of
the
Highlands
sites.
Undeveloped
and
currently
provides
parking
for
recreation
visitors
at
the
southernmost
end
of
the
site.
F
As
the
Planning
Commission
is
aware,
the
rebuilding
of
the
infrastructure
within
the
crestmore
neighborhood
has
been
ongoing
since
the
explosion
and
fire.
The
subject
site
has
been
used
for
staging
to
support
the
ongoing
infrastructure
improvements
within
the
crestmore
neighborhood.
These
improvements
include
replacement
of
underground
utilities,
repair
and
replacement
of
Street
sidewalk
and
street
lights,
and,
additionally,
the
replacement
of
the
Earl
Avenue
glenview
dr
park.
F
The
san
bruno
Municipal
Code
allows
construction
staging
areas
lasting
up
to
one
year
with
a
temporary
use
permit
from
the
Planning
Commission.
As
you'll
recall,
the
Planning
Commission
approved
a
number
of
temporary
use
permits
to
accommodate
the
ongoing
infrastructure
improvements
within
the
kress
poor
neighborhood.
And
if
you
turn
to
your
staff
report
and
reference,
Exhibit,
D
you'll
see
that
there's
two
storage
yard
their
storage
yard
number,
one
and
storage
yard
number
two
swords
yard
number
one
is
located
at
the
southernmost
end
of
the
Caltrans
property
in
storage
yard.
F
Number
two
is
the
northernmost
storage
yard
in
April
2012,
the
Planning
Commission
originally
approved
a
temporary
use
permit
for
the
area
referred
to
as
storage
yard.
One
one
year
later,
that
original
temporary
use
permit
was
extended
for
an
additional
year
in
June
of
2013,
the
Planning
Commission
approved
a
temporary
use
permit
to
expand
the
construction
staging
area
to
include
the
area
referred
to
as
storage
yard.
F
Two
in
May
of
2014,
the
Planning
Commission
approved
a
request
to
expend
to
extend
the
temporary
use
permit
for
storage
yard,
one
in
storage
number
two
for
another
year
and
they
did
the
same
in
April
2015.
Lastly,
in
May
of
2016,
the
Planning
Commission
approved
a
request
to
extend
a
temporary
use.
Permit
for
storage
yard
number
two.
At
that
time,
storage
yard
number
one
was
not
needed.
F
However,
staff
recently
became
aware
that
Caltrans
needed
to
temporarily
store
soil
at
storage
yard
number.
Two
specifically
there's
going
to
be
10,000
cubic
yards
of
soil
stored
at
this
location.
This
material
would
be
used
for
the
Doyle
Drive
project
located
in
San
Francisco.
Therefore,
there
is
now
a
need
to
utilize
storage
yard
number,
one
for
the
ongoing
infrastructure
improvements
within
the
crestmoor
neighborhood.
The
ongoing
infrastructure
improvements
are
anticipated
to
begin
in
october
of
2016.
It
would
last
through
fall
of
2017.
F
The
same
conditions
of
approval
would
go
forward
with
this
application.
I
just
want
to
highlight
a
few
of
those
conditions.
Condition
of
approval
number
5
requires
the
applicant
to
mainly
maintain
the
construction
staging
area
and
a
clean
and
orderly
condition.
Any
trash
dirt
and
debris
shall
be
cleaned
and
removed
on
a
daily
basis
and
cannot
be
stored
on
site
condition
of
republican
requires
the
applicant
to
remove
all
equipment
and
materials
and
thoroughly
clean
the
staging
area
and
any
immediate
properties
affected
by
the
dust
or
debris
within
14
days
of
the
contract
notice.
Stantial
completion.
F
Lastly,
condition
of
approval.
Number
11
requires
the
parking
area
at
the
corner
of
glenview,
dr
and
san
bruno
avenue,
to
remain
available
for
residents
that
use
the
nearby
trails
and
for
the
church
of
the
highlands.
One
thing
that
is
important
to
note
is
that
her
exhibit
d
you'll,
see
the
existing
storage
yard
number
one
area
as
a
result
of
the
the
next
stage
of
infrastructure
improvements,
the
storage
area,
storage
yard
area
will
have
to
expand
and
is
going
to
expand
in
the
westerly
direction.
F
This
is
important
to
note
because
it
was
still
allow
for
residents
to
utilize
that
area
for
parking
to
access
the
recreation
areas
over
all
staff
supports
the
temporary
use
permit
request.
We
would
recommend
that
the
Planning
Commission
approve
the
request,
subject
to
the
findings
and
conditions
of
approval
within
the
staff
report.
This
concludes
the
staff
presentation
had
behaved
happy
to
answer
any
clarifying
questions.
I'd
also
like
to
point
out
that
Harry
burrows
the
project
manager,
is
available
to
answer
any
questions
as
well.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
D
A
A
A
E
A
F
B
G
H
H
The
project
I'm
just
going
to
kind
of
break
it
down
into
three
components
based
on
what
the
use
permit
is
for.
First,
addressing
the
proposed
living
area
staff
found
in
our
analysis
that
the
second-story
additions
primary
purpose
is
to
add
a
master
bedroom
and
bathroom,
along
with
the
rear
facing
deck,
and
the
reason
why
staff
found
no
issues
with
the
proposed
expansion
of
living
area
is
that
we
found
that
the
total
count
of
four
bedrooms
and
two
and
a
half
bathrooms
should
be
sufficient
for
a
one-car
garage.
H
We
visited
the
site
found
that
there's
a
curb
cut
running
the
width
of
the
driveway,
which
is
approximately
17
feet
we
conferred
with
the
owner
that
it
could
allow
two
smaller
cars
to
park
in
the
driveway
and
staff
found
that
the
addition
would
not
be
expected
to
result
in
additional
occupants
which
is
generally
associated
with
greater
parking
demand.
And,
lastly,
the
neighborhood
has
greater
street
parking
relative
to
other
neighborhoods
in
the
city
and
I
guess.
One
one
last
item
is
that
we
did
not
receive
any
public
comments
on
this
item.
H
H
We
can
recommend
that
Planning
Commission
support
that
that
request
today.
Secondly,
looking
at
the
gross
floor
area
increase
as
staff
did
our
analysis,
we
found
that
that
proposed
addition
integrates
well
into
the
existing
single-family
home.
It
conforms
with
the
residential
design
guidelines.
There
were
a
couple
architectural
comments
that
we
wanted
to
address
that
were
addressed
between
the
architectural
review
hearing
and
the
Planning
Commission
hearing,
first
being
changing
the
roof
style.
The
first
proposal
that
came
before
staff
and
went
to
the
Architectural
Review
Committee
hearing
was
had
a
gambrel
roof
proposed
for
the
second
story.
H
As
you
can
see
on
the
proposed
elevations
they've
worked
with
staff
on
a
compromise
that
incorporates
a
hip
and
able
combination,
roof,
front-facing,
hip
roof
and
rear
facing
gable
and,
again,
just
wanted
to
comment
that
we
didn't
receive
any
public
comments
back
on
the
design
of
the
project.
Either
staff
was
able
to
find
that
with
the
proposed
combination
roof
that
it
does
integrate
with
the
rest
of
the
home.
H
Actually,
they
ended
up
switching
the
windows
out
of
the
second-story
facing
their
neighbors
and
they're,
going
to
rely
on
windows
to
the
rear
of
the
home
to
provide
for
light
for
the
new
master
bedroom
instead.
So
that
satisfies
that
condition.
Well,
the
one
window
that
is
on
that
elevation
is
going
to
be
above
a
high
level
condition
number
for
adding
one
or
more
visual
relief
elements
to
the
north
or
left
side
of
the
addition.
They
did
that
by
adding
a
belly
band,
an
additional
window
and
item
number
five
minimizing
the
prominence
of
the
proj
door.
H
They
added
a
character
style
door
to
the
garage
so
overall
for
this
project,
given
that
we
didn't
receive
any
public
comments
against
the
project
or
having
any
complaints
with
the
project
and
given
the
staff
analysis
that
I've
presented
to
you
today,
staff
recommends
that
the
Planning
Commission
approved
this
request
for
a
use
permit
based
on
findings,
one
through
six
and
subject
to
conditions
of
approval
1
through
28,
happy
to
answer
any
questions
you
might
have.
This
concludes
my
staff
report.
Thank
you.
Any.
E
B
If
I
could
comment
on
that,
I
think
that
the
staff
position
on
that
would
be
we
could.
You
could
recommend
a
condition.
Be
added.
I
would
suggest,
though,
that
it
be
worded
such
that
the
attic
space,
if
desired,
for
expanded
use,
be
considered
through
the
city's
permitting
process
and
that
all
required
approvals
and
permits
be
obtained
in
advance
of
using
that
area
for
habitable
space.
I
B
Probably
wouldn't
meet
minimum
requirements.
I
think
the
important
thing
is
to
put
people
on
notice
that,
in
order
to
do
any
sort
of
expansion
of
habitable
space,
including
any
attic
area,
they
would
need
to
obtain
any
permits
and
approvals
to
do
so.
So
if
they
don't
meet
minimum
requirements,
they
would
not
obtain
permits
and
approvals.
G
A
G
Think
I've
been
on
his
commission
about
20
years
or
so
and
I've,
never
to
my
recollection,
I
heard
a
condition
of
approval
regarding
habitable
attic
space
I,
don't
really
I
kind
of
don't
understand
where
that's
coming
from
we've
had
issues
with
underground
basement
havells,
but
I.
Never
that
I
can
remember
had
anything
to
do
with
the
with
attic
half
habitable
space.
I
I
just
don't
see
the
need
to
to
put
that
in.
E
G
B
B
Typically,
if
somebody
does
something
without
permits,
it
becomes
a
code
enforcement
matter.
I
think
what
we're
hearing
from
one
Commissioner
is
that
in
this
circumstance
there
may
be
a
special
condition
in
that
there
may
be
larger
attic
space
available
for
such
an
expansion
and
to
put
this
property
owner
on
notice
that
any
sort
of
expansion
of
habitable
space
would
require
permits
and
approval.
We
don't
typically
do
that.
I
would
agree-
and
I
was
we've
ever
done-
it
not
going
to
disagree
with
that.
I
Through
the
chair,
I
kind
of
definitely
agreed,
I,
don't
kind
of
I
definitely
agree
with
Commissioner
smooth.
If
we're
gonna
do
it
might
as
well
have
a
boilerplate
that
way.
I
don't
I'm
not
comfortable
with
having
it
has
a
special
you
know,
circumstance
or
whatever
the
situation
may
be.
It's
going
to
be,
you
know
x,
is
what
you're
going
to
have
to
find
you
a
little
treasure
on
them.
Every
everything
should
be
out
with
the
ex
you
know
I
mean
it
should
be
boiler
plated.
Then
that's
at
least
that's
my
feeling.
B
C
Yeah
to
the
chair,
I'm
going
back
to
look
at
the
attic
space
on
hearing.
While
there
is
a
great
while
there
is,
the
volume
that
is
concerning
the
head.
Height
is
pretty
small
for
it
to
be
of
any
use,
it's
a
strip
of
land
or
a
strip
of
roof
space.
That
I,
don't
think,
lends
itself
to
a
special
condition
like
I
can
understand
the
intention
of
it.
C
E
C
D
D
A
J
The
first
proposal
we
had
introduced
was
was
denied
because
of
the
roof
style
and
it
wasn't
complementing
with
the
other
era
houses
in
the
area.
Our
whole
point
of
doing
this
was
to
get
as
high
of
a
ceiling
in
the
master
bedroom
as
possible.
We
wanted
like
the
vaulted
ceiling.
Look,
so
we
had
done
what
we
were
supposed
to
do
as
far
as
changing
the
roof
style
to
hip
and
clip
I
believe
it
was
and
that
that
didn't
go
over
too
well
with
the
Commission.
J
F
J
J
Additionally,
some
of
these
neighborhood
houses
appear
to
have
second
floor
additions
that
do
not
match
up
that's
the
same
exact
roof
as
their
single
for
nor
do
many
of
them
have
hip
roots,
but
our
proposal
does
actually
incorporate
these
of
a
hip
roof
which
reduce
the
vigil
impact.
The
gable
portion
is
over
60
feet
away
from
the
street,
where
90%
of
the
other
houses
we
have
pictures
of
our
20
feet
away
from
the
street,
so
the
actual
visual
part
of
the
second
story
is
is
very
far
back.
J
So
it's
it's
not
really
in
view
as
much
as
you
as
much
as
the
other
homes
over
where
it's
20
feet
away
from
the
street.
Now
we
presume
that
the
houses
and
the
photos
were
also
subject
and
met
the
guidelines,
and
we
think
that
our
project
alone
does
meet
the
guideline,
but
upon
further
review
further
view
with
the
context
of
the
neighborhood
also
meets
the
guidelines
and
we're
hoping
that
you
could
please
approve
these
plans
is
this
would
actually
be
with
you
know,
just
nothing
but
time
and
money.
J
You
know
for
our
architects
to
keep
changing
plans.
I
mean
they're,
not
here
tonight,
obviously
because
they
were
to
charge
this
more
for
money
to
come
so
with
the
attic
space
issue.
I'm,
really
not
too
clear
on
on
how
that
what
would
be
an
issue
at
this
point,
because
we're
going
to
plan
on
removing
the
attic
in
the
back
area
and
building
up
and
the
front
of
it
would
be
a
gable.
So
there
would
be
no
attic
space
whatsoever
in
our
proposed
add-on.
J
J
G
D
D
A
G
D
F
We
have
gin
de
item
5b,
which
is
811,
read
avenue,
and
the
item
before
the
Planning
Commission
tonight
is
a
use.
Permit
request
to
expand
the
existing
home
by
greater
than
fifty
percent.
The
site
is
located
on
the
south
side
of
reed
avenue
is
currently
developed
with
a
one-story
single-family
dwelling,
the
existing
home
contains
986
square
feet
of
living
area,
which
includes
two
bedrooms:
one
bathroom
a
living
room,
dining
room
kitchen
plus
an
attached,
262
square
foot.
One
car
garage.
F
The
applicant
is
proposing
a
786
square
foot
ground
floor
addition
to
the
rear
of
the
existing
home.
The
addition
would
contain
a
new
family
room.
They
remodeled
and
relocated
kitchen,
as
well
as
a
new
master
bedroom
in
master
bathroom.
The
family
room
would
also
include
a
vaulted
ceiling
which
corresponds
to
a
12
foot
ceiling
height.
If
approved
a
constructed.
This
would
be
a
three-bedroom
two-bathroom
home
with
1743
square
feet
of
living
space
and
a
273
square
foot.
One
car
garage.
F
The
project
was
reviewed
by
the
architectural
review
committee
at
the
August
eleventh
2016
meeting
at
that
meeting.
The
architecture
review
committee
forges
the
project
onto
the
Planning
Commission.
With
a
few
recommendations.
Those
recommendations
were
to
include
drought-tolerant
landscaping
in
the
front
yard,
to
relocate
the
detached
accessory
structure
to
the
fifo
public
utility
easement,
as
well
as
updates
incorporating
certain
updates
to
the
project
data
chart
and
throughout
the
entire
plans.
Those
plans
were
updated
to
address
those
comments.
F
One
thing
I
would
like
to
know
is
that
staff
and
the
architecture
review
committee
recommended
that
would
window
trim
be
incorporated
on
all
proposed
windows
there
by
matching
the
existing
windows.
The
project
art.
The
project
architect
is
not
agree
with
this
recommendation
and
did
not
update
the
plans
accordingly,
as
proposed
a
use
permit
is
required
for
exceeding
50
percent
threshold
and
it
the
addition
results
in
fifty
percent
expansion.
The
proposal
meets
all
other
development
standards
of
the
r1
zoning
district.
Specifically,
the
proposal
needs
the
floor
area
lot,
coverage,
setbacks
and
height
requirements.
F
Staff
finds
that
the
proposal
is
consistent
with
the
design
and
scale
of
the
surrounding
residential
neighborhood,
which
primarily
consists
of
one
in
some
two-story
single-family
homes.
Additionally,
staff
finds
that
the
addition
complies
with
the
residential
design
guidelines.
Specifically
fiber
cement,
horizontal
siding,
is
promotional
proposed
along
the
face
of
the
addition
and
textured
stucco.
Finish
is
proposed
just
above
that
fiber
cement
base
along
the
real
elevation,
the
gable
end
would
incorporate
reclaimed
wood
siding
from
the
existing
home
regarding
the
window
trim.
F
As
noted
staff
in
the
architectural
review
committee
recommended
that
the
proposed
windows
incorporate
wood
window
trim,
the
residential
design
guidelines
specify
that
windows
that
lack
a
recess
from
the
face
of
the
wall
with
no
window
trim
should
be
avoided.
The
residential
design
guidelines
also
indicate
that
wood
trim
is
encouraged
on
stucco
homes.
Therefore,
staff
continues
to
recommend
that
wood
window
trim
be
incorporated
for
all
proposed
windows.
The
staff
would
encourage
the
Planning
Commission
to
incorporate
an
additional
condition
of
approval,
which
would
read
as
follows:
wood
window
trim
shall
be
incorporated
for
all
proposed
windows.
F
A
separate
window
trim
detail
shall
be
submitted
at
the
time
of
building
permits.
The
middle
Steph
did
notify
all
property
owners
within
300
feet
of
the
subject
property,
and
we
have
not
received
any
comments
regarding
this
project
with
that
staff
would
recommend
that
the
Planning
Commission
approve
the
use,
permit
request,
subject
to
findings,
one
through
six
and
conditions
of
approval,
one
through
26,
with
the
additional
condition
regarding
window
trim.
I'd
be
happy
to
answer
any
clarifying
questions
that
you
have.
Thank
you
thank.
A
K
Good
evening,
Commission
I'm,
Steve
Randall
the
project
architect
so
I
think
everything's
been
to
explain
pretty
well
for
the
project.
Matt,
who
have
been
working
with
the
planning
departments,
been
very
helpful
and
help
me
helping
us
get
everything
sorted
away,
it
does
seem
is
if
the
only
issue
that
we
have
is
the
trim
around
the
windows
and,
as
Matt
explained
to
me,
that
is
a
standard
requirement
that
they
put
on
all
of
their
projects.
K
The
issue
I
have
with
that
it
shot.
If
I
should
go
into
that
at
this
point,
or
please
is
that
the
house
is
what
would
be
considered
a
minimal
traditional
house.
These
are
post-war
postorbital,
true
houses
that
are
simple
in
detail.
They're
they're
meant
to
be
traditional
feeling,
but
not
necessarily
with
a
lot
of
detail
on
them.
K
This
particular
house
has
been
wrapped
in
red
wood,
siding
with
a
that's
been
painted,
and
the
window
trim
around
the
existing
windows
is
a
sizable
two-by-four
around
each
window,
which
works
with
the
red
wood,
siding
that
they
have
that's
typical
for
that
period.
That's
typical
for
that
style.
It's
typical
for
the
type
of
windows
that
were
original
in
the
house.
K
The
decision
to
make
the
addition
heart,
stucco
and
part
fiber
board,
siding
and
then
partly
recycle
part
of
the
back
part
of
the
house,
where
the
we're
taking
off
a
lot
of
that
red
wood
siding
and
using
it
again
on
the
upper
middle
of
the
rear
addition,
so
that
we
can,
you
know,
utilize
that
material
without
having
to
dispose
of
that
very
good
rid.
Would
it
always
is
good.
It
seems
to
last
quite
a
long
time,
especially
if
it's
been
painted
and
then
to
use
the
fiber
board
siding
on
the
lower
level.
K
There's
a
product
by
james
hardie
called
the
rustic
and
it
it
is
a
very
good
replica
of
that
type
of
siding.
It's
a
flat,
smooth
plain
look,
and
it
has
just
a
little
bit
of
V
to
the
groove
of
it,
and
it
would
I
think,
compliment
that
existing
without
trying
to
match
it,
because
we
really
can't
match
it
exactly
because
it
is
red
wood
siding.
We
don't
want
to
have
to
try
to.
You
know
mimic
necessarily
what's
there,
but
try
to
complement
it.
K
K
It
does
also
on
the
bay
if
you'll
notice,
on
the
Bay,
where
the
breakfast
room
is
on
the
back
of
the
house,
I
think
it
might
get
a
little
bit
complicated
with
we
got
when
we
would
have
to
have
wood
window
trim,
then
we'd
have
a
very,
very
thin
piece
of
stucco.
You
know
on
the
edge
of
that
at
the
corners
of
that
Bay
on
those
three
windows.
That
was
another
reason.
I
didn't
feel
like
that
was
going
to
work
too.
Well,
there.
K
The
other
reason,
one
of
the
other
reasons
is,
you
know,
I
I
feel,
like
you
know,
we're
trying
to
build
these
houses
with
more
green
consciousness,
and
you
know
if
we
use
wood
trim,
that's
another
product,
it
is
not,
then
it's
a
renewable
resource,
but
it's
also,
you
know
one
that
is
no
less
desirable
in
the
green
movement.
I.
K
K
I
do
I
did
notice
that
it
is.
It's
been
used
quite
a
bit
in
san
bruno,
this
technique
of
stucco
to
wood
trim
around
windows.
It
it's
not
actually
that
common.
If
you
look
at
houses
that
were
built
at
this
period,
when
this
house
was
originally
built,
you
will
see
houses
that
are
partly
collaborative
lap,
siding
with
a
stucco
other
parts
of
it.
I
do
have
a
picture
of
a
house.
It's
like
that.
That's
an
original
1939
house.
That's
done
like
this
I'm
happy
to
show
that
to
you.
K
K
Of
course,
okay,
so
this
is
a
minimal
traditional
house
in
a
nearby
neighborhood
the
lower
floor.
It's
a
two-story
house.
The
lower
floor
is
a
stucco
siding.
You
see
the
upper
floor
is
a
lap
siding
the
existing
windows
where
the
stucco
is
don't
have
a
wood
trim
around
it.
You'll
see
there
on
the
back
of
the
house,
you'll
see
same
condition,
no
trim
at
the
window,
and
actually
they
have
a
lap
siding,
but
they
have
a
very
minimal
trim
at
the
windows
on
the
upstairs
actually.
B
Thank
you
through
the
chair.
If
I
could
our
associate
planner
mad
new
bomber
to
come
back
up
to
the
podium
and
and
maybe
provide
a
little
bit
more
information
to
the
Commission
regarding
the
residential
design
guidelines,
I
would
be
interested
in
seeing
what
options
there
may
be
in
conversation
with
the
architect
to
provide
some
appropriate
trim
to
better
accent
these
windows
and
maybe
matt.
B
If
you
could
start
in
with
a
little
bit
more
information
for
the
commission
on
the
intent
of
the
residential
design,
guidelines
and
kind
of
lead
us
a
little
bit
in
the
direction
of
what
might
be
auctions
to
provide
some
some
more
accents.
Some
more
trim,
accent,
and
maybe
the
architect
can
work
with
us
a
little
bit
to
suggest
an
option
that
the
Commission
could
look
at.
Thank
you.
F
There
is
a
section
regarding
window
trim
within
the
design
guidelines,
section
3.8
point:
four
states
avoid
windows
that
lack
a
recess
from
the
face
of
the
wall
and
have
little
or
no
trim
at
the
Jamz
heads
and
sills
additionally,
that
state
or
that
specific
section
goes
on
to
state
wood
trim
is
also
encouraged
on
stucco
houses
unless
the
window
frames
are
recessed
at
least
three
inches
from
the
outside
face
of
the
wall.
So
in
this
particular
instance,
there
are
some
different
options
for
the
Commission
to
discuss
option.
F
One
would
be
to
go
ahead
with
staffs
recommendation
in
to
require
wood
window
trim
on
all
proposed
windows
there.
By
matching
the
existing
window.
Trim
and
staff
would
favor
this
option.
Another
possible
option
for
consideration
would
be
to
recess
the
windows
against
the
stucco
finish,
and
the
guidelines
go
on
to
again
state
that
the
window
should
be
recessed
at
least
three
inches
Eve.
Another
possible
option
would
be
to
incorporate
a
stucco
foam
trim,
which
is
discouraged
by
the
residential
design
guidelines,
but
that
should
be
on
the
table
for
consideration.
F
Lastly,
there
this
is
an
extreme
option,
but
it
could
be
to
move
away
from
the
stucco
finish
and
incorporate
horizontal
Hardie
board
along
all
exterior
elevations,
thereby
they,
therefore
they
could
in
court
hardy
trim
as
well.
So
I
would
say
those
are
the
four
options
for,
for
the
planning
permission
to
consider
the.
I
F
D
K
K
As
I
was
saying
so
that
we
can,
there
are
a
couple
of
examples
of
there
that
are
similar
to
what
I'm
proposing
I
did
look
around
the
neighborhoods
in
the
area
this
afternoon
to
see
if
I
could
see
any
other
examples
and
I
did
find
it
hell
a
couple
of
places
that
I
did
take
photographs
of
there
in
my
phone.
If
you
need
to
see
those,
but
you
know
I,
think
that
I
think
that
we
would
prefer
our
poor
stupid,
that
it
be
accepted
as
it
is.
K
I
do
feel
that
it
is
an
appropriate
way
to
detail
this.
The
windows
themselves
are
good
they're,
going
to
be
we're
specifying
milgard,
vinyl
windows
of
them,
of
their
Montecito
series
and
they're
a
nice
pretty
hefty.
You
know,
trim
jam
around
them
and
there's
a
slight
reveal
that
they
will
have
to
the
stucco
wall
itself.
It's
not
as
if
it's
just
going
to
be
flat
flat,
I
think
that's
really
all
I
can
give
you
other
than
showing
you
a
couple
of
other
pictures.
K
G
K
How
it's
done!
That's
how
it's
that's,
how
you
normally
trim
many
of
these
window
manufacturers
build
their
windows
to
have
the
stucco
returned
to
them.
There's
a
thin
on
the
window,
jamb
itself
that
nails
to
the
shearing,
the
plywood,
sharing
on
the
outside
right.
The
stucco
comes
along
and
gets
applied,
and
it
the
river
there's
a
there's
a
jam
to
it.
It's
designed
to
take
that
stuck
of
material
as
a
return
into
the
jam
of
the
window.
K
D
B
Again
through
the
chair,
we
were
just
as
staff
like
to
make
the
recommendation
that
the
windows
have
a
trim,
I
think
they're
being
described
as
non
trim
windows,
basically
by
the
architect
and
/,
the
residential
design
guidelines,
we're
recommending
that
the
windows
either
receive
a
trim
feature
or
be
recessed.
Thank
you.
A
G
Okay,
just
I
just
got
to
get
this
straight
in
my
head.
The
stucco
is
really
going
to
be
applied
to
the
to
the
addition
to
the
rear
sides
and
to
the
back.
The
front
essentially
is
going
to
have
sighting.
Essentially
it's
the
entire,
the
old
house,
where
the
existing
house
will
have
sighting
on
it
and
all
the
windows
on
the
siding
our
proposed
width
trim.
C
C
So
the
new
section
is
all
in
stock.
Oh,
it
is
different
from
what
the
what
the
front
of
the
building
looks
like.
Essentially,
you
do
not
have
to
follow
the
the
valence
and
the
shutter
or
trims
of
what's
in
the
front,
it'll
just
look
bad,
so
I
don't
agree
with
putting
the
same
trim.
That's
there
right
now
on
the
stucco,
it'll,
look
horrible.
G
E
It's
not
very
often
I
disagree
with
another
Commissioner,
but
I.
Don't
think
it's
fair
to
refer
to.
Having
trim
applied
to
the
back
windows
is
looking
horrible.
It's
it's.
What
the
design
guidelines
ask
for
and
I
think
it
would
look
fine
either
way
for
my
part,
so
whether
it's
further
dot
design
guidelines
that
has
wood
trim
in
the
back
or
or
it's
done
as
the
manufacturer
recommends
stucco
right
up
to
the
window
and
call
it
good.
I
was
I'm
good,
either
way,
but
horrible,
I
don't
think,
applies
to
either
detail.
Thank
you.
G
C
F
F
E
E
B
It
would
not
be
necessary
to
match
the
the
trim
that
you're
speaking
to
mr.
Mishra,
that
you're
speaking
to
is
its
existing
at
on
the
northwest
elevation.
So
the
idea
would
be
that
it
would
be
wood
trim,
it
would
not
need
to
be
scalloped
or,
as
you're
you're,
seeing
there
on
the
front
elevation
the
existing
front
elevation
northwest.
So
the
idea
is
to
to
provide
a
wood
trim
feature
to
accent
these
windows,
and
we
could
certainly
work
with
the
architect
and
property
owner
in
turn,
the
wood
treatment.
I
30,
chair,
Virginia
I'm,
a
big
emotion,
I,
make
a
motion
that
we
approve
use.
Permit
16,
dashes
05
based
on
findings
of
fact,
one
through
six
editions
of
approval
1
through
25
I.
Don't
think
that
we,
the
condition
I,
don't
know
which
one
it
is
I
was
looking
forward
in
here
in
regards
to
the
trip
on
the
windows.
I,
don't
know
its
guidelines
as
far
as
I'm
concerned,
I
don't
think
we
need
to
force
the
back
of
the
house.
Have
wood
trim,
that's.
C
F
A
L
Evening,
commissioners,
Michael
Smith
planning,
department,
style,
subject:
property
139,
Florida
Avenue
is
located
in
historic,
Cupid's
row
area
on
Florida
Avenue
between
Milton
and
Huntington
avenues.
The
subject
lot
is:
substandard
in
size
and
and
irregularly
shaped
measuring
a
little
less
than
4,000
square
feet
with
a
50
foot
wide
frontage
and
32
foot
wide
rear
property
line,
the
existing
right
side
setback
is
also
substandard,
bearing
between
three
feet
at
the
front
and
only
inches
towards
the
rear.
L
The
property
is
currently
developed
with
a
two-story
dwelling
with
two
bedrooms
and
two
baths
and
860
square
feet
of
living
space
on
the
upper
floor
and
a
210
square
foot
detached
garage
and
a
214
square
foot,
unpermitted
deck
and
enclosed
room
at
the
rear
of
the
building.
At
the
ground
floor,
the
applicant
is
proposing
to
remove
the
detached
garage
located
on
the
side
of
the
building
and
construct
a
new
1296
square-foot
two-story
addition
on
the
east
side
of
the
building.
L
The
addition
would
include
a
426
square
foot
garage
and
increase
the
foray
of
the
building
by
a
thousand
and
70
square
feet
for
total
square
footage
of
2296
gross
and
a
floor
area.
Ratio
of
point
53,
where
point
55,
is
the
maximum
committed
with
the
approval
and
construction
of
this
proposed
project.
It
would
resolve
a
code
enforcement
case
for
illegal
construction
regarding
a
room
at
the
ground
floor,
room
and
bathroom
at
the
ground
floor
of
the
residents
and
the
rear,
deck
and
stairs.
If
approved,
the
2-bedroom
2-bath
residents
would
become
a
three
bedroom.
L
L
This
project
was
originally
reviewed
by
the
Architectural
Review
Committee
in
March
of
this
year
and
was
forwarded
to
the
Planning
Commission,
with
a
recommendation
for
approval.
The
Planning
Commission
then
reviewed
it
and
it's
April
meeting
of
this
year
and
voted
to
return
the
project
back
to
staff
because
of
unresolved
concerns
about
the
close
proximity
of
the
existing
dwelling
to
the
side,
property
line,
that's
the
right
side,
property
line
and
the
building's
unconventional
floor
plan.
That
was
a
concern
at
that
time
to
address
these
concerns.
L
Staff
first
spoke
to
a
representative
of
a
serve
surveying
land
surveying
company,
the
representative
from
the
company
estimated
that
it
would
cost
approximately
five
thousand
dollars
to
survey
the
property
and
would
require
surveying
other
properties.
On
the
subject
block
the
company
in
question
was
very
familiar
with
this
neighborhood
in
describing
it
as
a
difficult
one
to
survey
because
of
the
irregular
shape
of
the
lots
and
a
lack
of
proper
monuments.
L
L
Given
this
information
staff
concluded
that
the
proposed
addition
does
not
involve
the
non-conforming
west
side
of
the
residents
and
the
high
cost
of
the
request
for
a
survey
and
the
possibility
of
impacting
other
properties
in
the
process
and
the
fact
that
there
are
similar
zero
lot
line,
conditions
can
be
found
amongst
a
lot
of
properties
within
this
neighborhood
that
the
applicant
should
not
be
required
to
produce
a
site
survey
for
the
sub
property.
Is
it
also
be
noted
that
land
surveys
are
not
commonly
required
for
residential
additions?
L
Even
when
buildings
have
zero
lot
lines
conditions,
these
oding
ordinance
allows
these
legal
non-conforming
situations
to
remain
with
the
provision
that
they
not
be
enlarged
in
a
manner
that
would
increase
the
degree
of
nonconformity,
which
is
not
the
case
here.
They
are
not
messing
with
the
non-conforming
side
of
the
building
they're
building
to
the
opposite
side
of
the
building.
Furthermore,
the
project
would
resolve
a
life
safety
issue.
The
removal
of
the
existing
windows
on
the
non-conforming
right
elevation,
thereby
increasing
fire
protection.
The
aarc
members
reviewed
and
agreed
with
staff
explanation
regarding
this
particular
issue.
L
So
the
other
issue
that
was
raised
at
the
April
planet
commission
meeting
was
the
unusual
floor
plan
that
was
proposed
at
that
time.
The
original
floor
plan,
which
the
commissioners
reviewed
had
a
c-shaped
plan,
sort
where
two
bedrooms
were
accessed
towards
the
front
of
the
plan
and
one
bedroom
was
accessed
at
the
rear
of
the
plan
and
it
kind
of
had
what
I
call
like
a
c-shape
a
c-shaped
flow
through
it.
The
talking
this
was
awkward.
L
The
aarc
members
did
express
some
concern
about
potential
for
the
ground
floor,
crawlspace
to
be
converted
into
habitable
space
and
a
staff
to
consult
with
the
city
attorney
about
requiring
a
deconstruction
tortoise
crawlspace.
The
applicant
was
amenable
to
the
deed
restriction
requirement,
which
has
been
concluded
as
a
condition
of
approval
number
nine.
The
addition
would
tie
into
the
a
of
the
addition
would
tie
in
with
new
stucco
cladding
new
windows
trim
and
new
roofing
material.
L
To
give
it
a
seamless
and
consistent
architectural
vocabulary,
review
existing
building
the
department,
mailed
hearing,
notices
to
residents
within
300
feet
of
the
subject,
property
and
no
comments
were
received.
So
staff
is
recommending
at
this
point
we
feel
like
we
have
addressed
the
Commission's
comments
from
April
and
we
are
recommending
that
you
approve
the
project
based
on
findings,
one
through
six
and
subject
to
conditions
of
approval
one
through
29,
and
this
concludes
my
staff
presentation,
I'm
developed
for
Russians
chronixx.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Mike.
C
L
C
K
E
L
So
I
was
trying
to
go
that
into
that
a
little
bit
earlier,
but
so
most
buildings
have
consistent
floor
plates
throughout
the
the
main
living
level.
This
building
has
a
step
up
existing
step
up
to
one
of
the
bedrooms
above
towards
the
front
of
the
building,
so
so
that
you
have
essentially
two
floor
plates
I'm,
albeit
one
is
only
so
the
so
the
floor
plate
beneath
that
bedroom
is
slightly
higher
than
the
rest
of
the
house
floor
lesson
before
the.
H
K
C
Sure
I
have
two
more
push
the
sexual
appreciation.
Sir
I'll
I'm
just
not
satisfied
with
the
engineer
ALS
land
surveying
company
not
wanting
to
review
a
project
because
it
will
open
up
a
can
of
worms.
I
mean
I'm
tempted
to
just
abstain
on
this
project
at
this
point,
which
I
probably
will
do
because
I'm
actually
not
satisfied
with
the
full
plan.
Oh,
but
I'm
still
going
to
ask
my
flesh.
C
L
The
point
I
was
trying
to
get
across
is
that
in
rectifying
where
the
property
lines
may
be
for
this
property,
which
is
the
subject
property
that
we
are
concerned
about,
that
it
would
require
rectifying
the
property
lines
for
adjacent
properties
and
through
that
process,
it
could
come
about
that.
Some
of
those
adjacent
properties
may
be
encroaching
on
other
lots
that
are
next
door
start.
B
Basically,
the
information
that
we
received
back
from
this
surveying
firm
is
that
there
are
a
number
of
survey,
discrepancies,
point,
discrepancies
in
this
area,
missing
points
of
survey,
etc.
This
would
be
a
very
complicated,
expensive
survey
to
perform.
That
was
one
bit
of
information,
another
bit
of
information
that
the
senior
planner
provided
is.
We
don't
typically
require
this
kind
of
information,
a
survey
in
a
circumstance
likes
like
this.
We
have
many
situations
in
this
community
where
we
have
zero
lot
line
conditions.
We
have
many
conditions
where
we
have
through
time,
uncertain
boundary
configurations.
B
Given
the
information
at
hand,
missing
survey
points
complex,
the
cost,
the
fact
that
we
don't
typically
do
this
and
the
fact
that,
in
terms
of
what
was
being
proposed,
the
objective
here
is
to
correct
code
violation
to
make
the
property
safer.
They
were
achieving
that
and
that
seemed
like
that
should
be
the
focus
in
this
circumstance.
B
The
Commission
had
indicated
some
interesting
and
concern
about
property
boundaries.
We
respected
that
we
looked
into
that.
We
discovered
this
information
and
we're
reporting
back
to
you,
basically
that
the
focus
of
this
is
to
correct
a
code
violation
make
the
property
safer.
We
believe
they've
done
that
or
doing
that.
We
don't
typically
require
this
kind
of
survey
information.
This
would
be
an
extra
burden
on
the
property
owner
and,
moreover,
the
survey
company
is
indicating
to
us.
They're
missing
survey
points
would
be
very
complicated
and
complex
undertaking
and
very
costly.
D
C
Why
were
the
full
plate
then
not
be
corrected
in
the
circumstance?
It
seems
that
they've
gone
through
the
effort
of
trying
to
appease
the
plan
commission
based
on
previous
comments,
but
did
not
go
all
the
way
to
actually
rectify
the
problem
of
a
full
plate,
a
floor
plan
that
looks
pretty
haphazard
on
the
first
floor
and
the
second
floor,
I'm
still
not
satisfied
with
the
first
board
left,
I'm
flowlayout
seems
like
they're,
creating
a
split
level,
regardless
with
additional
ten
steps
or
additional
four
steps
on
each
side
of
five
steps
in
each
other.
C
Does
yo
creo
cattle
a
four-point,
a
8.2
I'm,
sorry
8.1
existing
in
them
to
demolish
second
floor
plan,
you'll,
see
that
they're
stairs
currently
in
between
existing
and
existing
bedroom
in
the
hallway
I
understand
that
that
was
taken
out.
But
then,
if
you
go
to
a
four
point,
eight
point
three:
now
you
have
that
bathroom
with
that
bedroom
and
the
bathroom
web
bedroom
on
the
same
level.
C
C
L
But
but
anyway,
so
the
the
right
side
of
the
floor
plan.
It
has
crawl
space
underneath
it,
but
to
put
a
garage
in
they
built
off
of
the
other,
the
left-hand
side
of
the
floor
plan,
where
it's
slightly
higher,
so
that
they
could
put
be
able
to
make
functional
use
of
the
ground
floor
and
put
a
garage
in
there.
So
the
right
side
of
that
floor
plan.
You
could
not
put
a
garage
underneath
there.
C
B
The
next
step
would
be
to
prepare
construction
documents,
construction
drawings
and
go
through
a
plan
check
process.
So
as
the
design
professional
develops,
those
construction
plans
construction
documents
and
goes
through
a
thorough
plan
check
and
review
process
through
our
building
division.
These
kinds
of
things
the
details
that
you're
talking
about,
would
certainly
be
picked
up,
broader
circulation
issues.
A
L
So
saying,
with
a
sheet
a3,
when
you
came
to
the
circulated
to
the
left
hand
side
of
the
building,
you
came
to
kind
of
a
dead
end
and
then
to
get
to
that
back
bedroom.
You
had
to
go
through
stairs
that
were
off
the
dining
room,
and
so
you
had
stairs
that
were
right.
Next
to
each
other.
You
had
the
stairs
going
down
to
the
one
room
behind
the
garage,
and
then
you
had
three
steps
up
to
that
bedroom
at
the
back
of
the
plan,
and
so
what
they've
done?
L
Is
they
remove
those
few
steps
up
to
that
bedroom?
At
the
back
of
plan
it
provided
a
nicer
flow
with
it,
the
l-shaped
hallway,
to
provide
all
that
on
the
left-hand
side
building,
and
so
it
just
it
just
makes
more
sense
that
way
and
to
see
the
disconnected
bedroom
at
the
back
of
the
plan.
It's
two
stairways
side
by
side.
M
M
We
also
closed
the
other
window
and
on
the
west
side
and
this
commission
they
said
those
the
three
floor
above
the
different
from
the
west
side
of
the
because,
because
the
existing
one
bedroom
on
the
a1
is
already
is
a
three
stair
is
above
the
other
floors.
So
what
we
do
is
be
just
move
the
stair
from
the
back
side
to
the
earth
to
the
living
room
there
to
make
it
L
shape
for
the
all
the
new
addition
back
room
there
so
make
it
ASAP
address
decoration
on
the
fungus
on
the
on
the
plan.
M
A
M
My
computer
is
done
tomorrow,
morning's
I'm
still
waiting
for
the
earth.
The
camp
computer
computer
come
in
to
fix
my
computer,
so
I
didn't
have
any
additional
information.
Anything
I
should
bring
today.
So
what
are
youse
is
just
a
matter
or
the
information
micro
send
to
me,
sir.
The
email.
I
think
it
is
the
last
Friday
they
are
so
yeah.
M
M
A
E
E
M
E
D
D
A
C
A
B
D
B
G
D
B
C
E
I
E
B
Permits
for
shoring
and
encroachment
were
paid
for
and
picked
up
today
at
City
Hall.
So
we've
had
a
neighborhood
meeting
permits.
Initial
permits
have
been
picked
up.
We
expect
to
have
a
pre-construction
meeting
on
Thursday
morning
with
representatives
of
saris
Regis,
and
we
expect
to
see
mobilization
to
begin
next
week.