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A
A
A
All
right,
then,
I
guess
that
is
our
full
contingent.
Shall
we
begin
yeah
all
right.
Thank
you.
Everyone
this
evening
for
attending
our
planning
commission
meeting.
The
planning
commission
will
continue
to
hold
meetings
remotely
via
zoom
until
such
time
as
it
has
been
determined
that
it
is
safe
to
meet
in
person.
A
Please
know
that
we
want
to
hear
from
you
if
you
are
in
the
audience,
and
you
would
like
to
address
the
commission
during
public
comment
for
an
item
on
the
agenda.
Please
use
the
raise
your
hand
button,
which
should
be
at
the
bottom
of
your
zoom
application.
A
A
D
B
A
All
right,
we
have
our
pledge
of
allegiance
kelly.
Would
you
like
to
lead
us
this
evening.
C
A
Approval
of
minutes
do
we
have
any
comments
on
our
january
18th
2022
minutes
any
concerns.
C
A
B
Sorry,
I
have
a
com,
there's
a
we
skip
the
announcement
of
conflict
of
interest
and
I
have
a
conflict
with
this
and
pepper
drive.
A
Great
okay,
so
it
sounds
like
we
have
the
one
conflict
of
interest.
I
don't
think
we
have
do.
We
have
anybody
else
that
has
an
issue
all
right,
then
I
think
we
can
move
on
to
our
public
hearings.
Our
first
item
is
1261
claremont
drive.
Is
it
brandon
presenting
to
us
on
this
alrighty.
D
Yes,
I
am
here
good
evening,
commissioners,
how
are
you
guys
doing
tonight?
Well,
thank
you.
Can
you
all
see
the
screen?
Okay,
yeah
yeah,
so
I've?
I
went
with
the
powerpoint
format
that
is
preferred
for
city
council
meetings,
so
trying
to
be
more
in
line
here
so
good
evening,
again
everyone.
So
the
first
item
on
our
agenda
for
tonight
is
a
new
permit.
D
An
architectural
review
permit
at
1261
claremont
drive,
so
the
location
of
this
us
project
is
on
claremont
drive
at
the
corner
of
fairmont
drive
between
plymouth
wayne
hampton
court
just
south
of
sneeze
lane.
It
is
part
of
the
crestwood
park
number
two
subdivision
of
1955
and
it
sits
on
a
640
square
foot
loft.
D
So,
first
with
the
existing
conditions
at
the
site,
currently
the
site
at
crestmoor
or
I'm
sorry,
claremont
drive
contains
an
857
square
foot
single
story,
single-family
home,
which
has
an
far
.32
and
being
a
single
story.
Home
has
the
same
percentage
of
lot
coverage.
It
currently
has
three
bedrooms
and
two
bathrooms
moving
on
to
the
proposed
project
for
this
youth
permit.
D
D
D
So
this
is
the
chart
of
the
standard
that
is
contained
in
the
staff
report,
highlighting
that
on
the
right
side,
you
can
find
what
the
proposed
conditions
are.
The
existing
conditions
in
the
middle
so
just
to
point
out
that
the
proposed
floor
area
is
0.53,
which
is
underneath
the
zoning
requirement
of
0.55
the
floor
area
is
3130
post,
which
is
below
the
maximum
floor
area
allowed
without
a
used
permit,
and
the
lot
coverage
is
also
below
these
thresholds.
D
D
D
I
know
we've
had
several
different
conversations
about
setback
exceptions
so
just
to
briefly
touch
on
the
setback,
exceptions
that
are
contained
in
the
municipal
code.
D
This
is
a
direct
screen
shot
from
the
municipal
code
exception,
so
just
to
highlight
a
and
b
allow
architectural
features,
porches
that
etc
to
to
project
up
to
three
feet
from
a
side
and
rear
property
line,
and
the
one
in
question
we're
just
discussing
is
f,
which
reads
whenever
the
first
story
of
a
dwelling
in
an
r1
district
projects
within
a
required
side
or
rear
yard,
where
it
has
existed
for
not
less
than
10
years.
D
The
second
story
of
such
dwelling
may
be
built
or
added
so
as
to
project
to
any
such
setback,
a
degree
not
greater
than
the
projection
of
the
first
story
without
the
necessity
of
a
variant.
I
know
this
has
come
up
a
little
bit
in
our
architecture
review
reading,
so
I
thought
I
would
include
that
as
well
and
as
far
as
the
san
bruno
residential
design
guidelines
are
concerned,
the
design
guidelines
do
request
new
construction
additions
to
use
either
a
daylight
plane
or
facade
articulation
option.
D
It
clarifies
by
saying
a
daylight
plane
may
be
established
in
either
direction
as
determined
by
the
applicant
and
approved
by
the
icn
planning
commission.
However,
the
facade
articulation
is
also
an
option.
Breaking
up
the
appearance
of
two-story
facades
with
various
types
of
architectural
features,
so
in
this
particular
project
has
satisfied
the
daylight
plane
on
on
three
sides,
and
it's
also
satisfied
facade
articulation
options
on
multiple
sides,
including
on
the
the
fourth
side
by
recessing
part
of
the
wall,
using
a
chimney
feature
and
using
high
windows.
D
And
just
two,
I
know
three
of
you
were
present
when
we
had
an
arc
meeting
on
january
13th
and
at
that
for
those
who
were
not
present
at
that
arc
meeting.
The
commissioners
did
request
that
the
architect
lower
the
plate
height
by
a
foot
and
provide
finalized
rendering
so
in
the
top
right
corner,
was
the
original
height
and
plate
heights
of
those
rooms
which
was
at
27
foot.
I
was
like
27
27
11
is
what
it
should
say
and
it
was
lowered
to
26
7..
A
Does
not
appear
so
at
this
time
do
we
have
a
presentation
from
the
applicant
or
his
architect?
I
have
a
question.
I
have
a
question
here.
Sorry,
commissioner,
while
the
new
zoom.
B
Here
there's
so
many
windows
that
open
up.
I
had
a
question:
you
brandon
you
mentioned
about
plate
height
a
second
ago
being
reduced,
which
I'm
seeing
on
sheet
a
3.3.
D
A
Just
as
a
as
a
matter
of
understanding
procedures
like
are
we
making
any
condition
of
approval
that
that
is
actually
going
to
be
in
the
final
design
and
get
built
that
way?
So
there
is,
you
know,
consequences
if
somehow
this
gets
confused.
D
So
that's
the
final
height
is
as
presented
in
the
step
report
and
the
cross
sections
and
majority
of
the
plans.
So
we
should,
you
know,
definitely
consider
that
that
would
be
the
approved
height
as
presented
great
all
right.
Thank
you.
F
Yeah,
I
think
so
you
guys
can
hear
me:
okay,
oh
yeah,
okay,
yeah!
Thank
you
for
everybody
for
attending
tonight
to
answer
your
question
regarding
the
plate:
height
and
elevation.
F
Yes,
that
is
correct,
though
we
have
lowered
the
entire
plate,
height
down
about
a
foot
and
then
on
drawing
a
3.1
on
detail,
one
on
the
east
elevation.
It
shows
it
as
a
marker
point.
I
think
my
computer
might
have
rounded
up
a
half
an
inch
but
25
feet.
7
inches
is
correct.
A
Appreciate
you
joining
us,
should
we
move
on
to
our
any
comments
from
the
public
and
could
we
get
a
show
of
hands
if
anybody
who
is
in
attendance,
who
wanted
to
comment
on
this
could
raise
their
hands
at
this
time?.
A
I'm
counting
five.
I
understand
there
were
some
see
something
real
quick.
Oh
certainly
a
commissioner.
I'm
just
having
a
lot
of
trouble
with
zoom
there's.
B
B
F
The
rendering
probably
would
be
the
best
way,
especially
if
anybody's
going
to
be
commenting
on
this.
The
rendering
that
does
should
be
the
correct
height
on
there,
as
also
it
shows
like
a
better
vantage
point
of
what
the
height
would
be.
Given
that
the
elevation
is
straight
on,
it
might
seem
a
little
higher
than
the
renovation,
the
rendering.
B
F
Oh,
I
seriously
I'm
actually
the
windows
everything
was
adjusted
to
match
the
facade
on
the
front,
the
square.
When
I
took
everything
down,
I
took
the
whole
the
whole
top
down
and
I
didn't
adjust
the
any
slopes
or
anything
like
that.
So
it
would
look.
It
would
look
almost
the
same.
F
Copy
that
for
yourself,
I
can
confirm
that
yes,
okay,.
B
A
A
And
yeah
I
mean
as
long
as
we
are
clear
that
the
appropriate
measurements
will
be
delivered
for
how
they're
gonna
cut
the
boards
to
build
this
thing.
I
think
we
should
be
fine,
but
we
definitely
that
consistency
is
really
important
through
the
chair.
A
A
B
Comment:
one
more
call
question
for
brandon
brandon
there's
some
letters
in
the
in
the
packet
from
some
neighbors.
One
of
the
issues
they
bring
up
has
to
do
apparently
with
line
of
sight
while
driving
around
the
corner.
B
I'm
not
seeing
any
real
extensions
of
the
building
that
would
affect
that,
but
I
am
seeing
a
row
of
trees
or
a
kind
of
bunch
of
trees.
Has
anyone
looked
at
that
at
the
city
about
any
vehicular
dangers?
This
project
could
be
creating
because
of
trees.
D
We
did
not
look
at
the
trees,
but
I
know
the
the
letters
were
specifically
about
the
second
story
edition,
and
so
we
did,
you
know,
consider
consider
those
letters
that
we
received,
and
you
know
it
was
determined
that,
with
the
second
story
edition
being
made
to
the
right
side
of
the
building,
that
it
would
not
have
any
impact
on
the
line
of
sight
to
that
corner.
A
And
our
tree
type
that
was
anticipated
here
was
not
one
that
has
like
a
continuous
growth
down
to
the
bottom,
where
it's
like
a
thick
like
a
fur
or
something
it
looked
like
they
were
deciduous,
so
we
would
expect
a
thinner
trunk
and
then
more
leafy
bodies
higher
up.
So
that
would
not
be
expected.
Is
that
correct?
A
A
Oh
one,
two,
three,
four:
five
up
to
seven
hands.
I
understand
we
want
to
allocate
three
minutes
with
some
generosity
of
spirit
in
allowing
people
to
go
a
little
over,
and
if
you
can
keep
your
comments
under
three
minutes,
we
will
be
allowing
you
to
cede
your
time
to
another
participant
if
you
prefer.
E
B
D
A
C
Okay,
so
hello,
everyone,
my
name
is
tyson
murphy,
my
family
and
I
live
right
next
door
at
12,
51
claremont
and
we
stand
to
be
most
affected
by
this
edition.
The
architectural
review
permit
finding
number
one
stated
that
the
project
would
not
unreasonably
restrict
or
interfere
with
lightner
on
the
adjacent
properties
is
actually
very
unreasonable.
D
C
Okay,
these
are
images
from
our
backyard
and,
if
you
consider
for
a
moment
that
this
is
your
backyard
you're
looking
over
the
other
side
of
the
fence,
a
huge
structure
goes
up
on
your
neighbor's
yard.
Right
next
to
your
property
line.
At
a
height
of
I
guess
it
is
25
feet
7
inches,
yet
because
your
property
sits
on
a
lower
foundation,
it's
more
like
20
feet
above
your
yard
and,
as
you
can
see,
the
sun
barely
creeps
over
the
neighbor's
house
as
it
currently
stands.
C
Now
what
we
learned
in
the
air
see
that
was
that
no
daylight
plane
study
was
conducted
on
the
side
of
their
house
facing
our
house,
probably
because
it
was
clear
how
significant
the
shading
findings
would
be.
This
was
actually
characterized
at
loophole
by
one
of
the
commissioners.
During
that
meeting,
a
meeting
in
which
really
the
architect
did
not
have
everything
in
order
or
up
to
date
and
was
constantly
making
updates.
C
C
It's
a
breakdown
in
the
flow
of
information
that
creates
a
disadvantage
for
us
and
then,
if
you
look
the
next
page
report,
46
page
46
of
the
packet
there's
a
bird's
eye
image
of
1261
claremont
you'll,
see
there's
another
wing
of
the
house
that
juts
out
to
the
southeast
towards
fairmont
drive.
This
wing
is
surrounded
on
all
three
sides
of
the
property,
owner's
backyard,
side,
yard
and
front
yard.
C
Regarding
the
sheer
size
of
this
thing,
most
houses
nearby
are
less
than
1500
square
feet
total
size
of
this
one
that
they
want
is
3
130
square
feet.
Our
house
is
1410
square
feet
and
next
door
to
a
3
130
square
foot
structure
will
make
ours.
Look
like
his
guest
house
or
adu.
That's
a
bad
look,
and
it's
completely
out
of
scale
for
the
neighborhood
size
of
the
house
is
also
way
out
of
character
for
the
neighbor.
There
are
great
people
here
who
care
about
look
out
for
each
other.
C
This
has
become
evident
to
me
as
I've
gotten
to
know
multiple
neighbors
in
the
last
few
months,
many
of
whom
have
been
living
here
for
decades,
and
I've
been
to
realize
that
the
integrity
of
this
neighborhood
is
very
important
to
them,
and
many
of
them
are
concerned
with
this
project.
But
you
don't
need
to
take
my
word
for
it.
You
can
see
that
for
yourself
in
their
written
comments
on
pages
47
and
49
of
them,
I
do
want
to
state
for
the
record.
C
We
are
not
opposed
to
anyone
adding
on
or
proving
their
home,
and
we
also
understand
that
some
impact
cannot
be
avoided,
but
we
are
opposed
to
the
significant
impact
this
project
would
bring
to
us
into
the
neighborhood.
So
in
conclusion,
we
respectfully
ask
the
commission
members
to
deny
this
use.
Permit
application,
as
currently
submitted
for
a
revised
application
that
favors
a
more
balanced
approach
of
scaling
down
the
square
footage
to
better
fit
in
with
the
neighborhood
and
moving
the
second
story
to
the
south.
A
A
Thank
you,
mr
murphy,
should
we
call
on
the
rest
of
our
commenters.
C
B
Yes,
I
can,
can
you
hear
me
yes,
yeah,
I'm
opposed
to
this
because
I'm
directly
behind
this
building
and
it
will
cut
out
my
view
of
my
morning,
sunlight
and
also
I'm
concerned.
Are
there
going
to
be
any
windows
on
that
west
gable
hand
on
the
second
story?
Looking
out
now
on
that
wall
there
looking
west
westerly.
F
A
The
the
way
this
works
is
you
give
your
comments
and
we
can
ask
staff
to
look
into
things,
but
we
can't
really
sort
of
it's
not
a
question
and
answer
session.
It's
a
comment.
B
Okay,
okay!
Well,
if
there
is
so
that
will
be
directly
being
looked
onto
my
property
and
then
I
would
interfere
with
privacy.
I
wouldn't
want
someone
just
looking
out
into
my
yard,
especially
when
I
have
a
pool
and
I'm
having
the
entertainment
and
people
over.
I
wouldn't
want
somebody
just
peeking
down
into
my
yard,
but
in
the
morning
there
they
will
obstruct
my
my
mourn
light
and
that's
a
great
concern.
B
C
Can
you
hear
me,
do
you
hear.
E
Me:
yes,
yes,
yes,
okay,
great
this
daylight
plane
or
the
solar
path
study
really
bothers
me
that
they're
able
to
exclude
the
most
affected
side.
The
side
that's
going
to
affect
the
murphy's
house
next
door.
E
E
E
E
E
B
Ng
is
nancy
green
and
I'm
roy
green.
We
live
on
glenview
drive
directly
behind
the
property.
We
noticed
in
the
renderings
that
there's
no
renderings
of
the
back
side
of
the
house
and
my
comment
is
they
should
be
included
and
for
folks
to
view.
I
think
john
gonzalez
is
making
that
same
point.
So
we
I
just
don't
understand
why
the
360
degree
set
renderings
is
not
included
in
the
plan
for
folks
to
view
and
comment
on.
C
B
Okay,
first
of
all-
and
I
don't
believe
this
should
count
against
my
time-
I
do
want
to
go
on
record
that
I'm
concerned
that
erroneous
information
was
put
about
put
out
on
the
zoom
link.
It
may
affect
its
other
some
people's
opportunity
to
purchase
participate.
Tonight.
B
San
bruno
is
elected
to
use
zoom
for
their
public
meetings
and
their
public
meetings
are
subject
to
the
public
record
meeting
legislation
and
both
in
intent
and
in
actuality,
and
I
believe
you
should
reconsider
whether
you
even
want
to
consider
this
item
tonight.
I
know
that
you've
contacted
mark
the
city
attorney
and
I'm
not
sure
how
he
would
react
if
you
do
get
a
claim
against
you,
because
you
have
not
given
adequate
and
accurate
notice
for
the
meeting.
B
B
B
The
new
occupant
sent
us
a
nice
letter
talking
about
how
the
child
was
so
cramped
and
constricted
at
shelter
creek
and
how
much
they
wanted
them
to
enjoy
their
new
expanded
home.
What
about
the
murphy
family?
Their
daughter
also
deserves
a
pleasant
comfortable
home
without
this
edifice
sprouting
upward.
Next
to
them
a
question
for
the
lease:
how
would
you
feel
if
something
like
this
was
done
to
you
and
your
child
after
you
invested
so
much
money
in
the
property?
B
Is
my
understanding
from
talking
to
the
prior
owner,
who
I've
known
even
longer
than
I
I've
lived
in
san
bruno
that
he
sold
the
property
as
part
of
a
1031
exchange
for
and
the
owner
was
buying
it?
The
purchaser
was
buying
it
for
their
son
if
it
is
indeed
a
1031
exchange,
it's
investment
property,
an
investment
property
can
be
modified,
remodeled
and
sold
or
turned
into
a
rental,
and
that
also
affects
the
the
neighborhood
the
owner.
The
current
condition
of
the
property
does
not
reflect
pride
of
ownership.
B
B
I
believe
many
of
the
problems
that
our
neighborhood
seized
with
this
project
could
have
been
avoided
if
the
applicant
had
just
listened
to
their
neighbor
and
considered
their
needs.
There's
ample
evidence
in
our
neighborhood
that
second-story
additions
can
be
friendly
to
neighbors
you
all
you
have
to
do
is
walk
around
the
neighborhood
and
look
at
what
has
been
constructed
over
the
years.
B
Thank
you
very
much.
Those
are
my
comments.
B
My
are
not
opposed
to
additions
or
changes
in
houses,
my
next-door
neighbor
actually
bumped
out
and
had
two
bedrooms
and
a
bathroom,
so
he
now
has
a
five-bedroom
three-bath
home.
My
neighbor
across
the
street
did
something
similar.
I
myself
added
on
my
house,
but
my
architect
was
ken
ibera
and
he
provided
several
options
for
us,
which
I
then
went
to
my
neighbors
and
said
we're
planning
to
change
the
house
a
little.
B
B
B
I
have
a
problem
with
that
and
I
know
the
people
who
lived
in
there
before
that
house
was
a
four
bedroom
two
bath,
so
I'm
I'm
a
little
confused.
Why
would
he
need
to
add
and
increase
it
to
three
thousand
one
hundred
some
square
feet?
B
B
B
So
in
conclusion,
I
agree
with
the
murphys.
I
think
it
would
be
terrible
if
they
wanted
to
add
solar
on
their
on
their
house.
It
wouldn't
it
wouldn't
work,
they
wouldn't
have
enough
sunlight.
I
mean
that's
a
factor,
that's
adversely,
affecting
them
and
and
the
fact
that
it's
not
consistent
with
the
neighborhood.
You
have
a
big
eyesore.
B
B
C
Yolanda,
can
you
hear
us?
Yes,
I
can
hear
you.
Can
you
hear
me
great?
Yes,
go
ahead,
hi,
I'm
yolanda
yang.
I
live
at
1241
claremont.
I
am
next
to
the
murphy
house,
two
houses
down
from
the
proposed
project
and
I
wanted
to
reiterate
and
voice
my
own
reiterate,
other
concerns
and
voice.
My
own
concerns
I
similar
to
others
and
not
opposed
to
people
making
changes
to
their
homes
if
it
does
not
significantly
impact
any
negative
way,
the
neighborhood
and
their
neighbors.
C
C
I
can
attest
that
all
of
the
afternoon
sun
comes
only
from
the
direction
over
the
murphy
house,
which
is
the
same
direction
that
would
be
over
the
proposed
project
and
that
building
a
two-story
on
top
of
the
current
house
that
would
extend
over
the
area
and
next
to
the
area
of
the
backyard,
would,
I
think,
be
a
huge
impact
to
tyson's
house,
the
murphy
house,
but
I
think
it
would
also
affect
my
house.
C
I
just
can't
state
how
important
it
is
to
get
some
afternoons
up,
for
so
many
reasons,
not
just
the
obvious,
but
I
I
feel
that
that
affects
mood
and
just
your
your
quality
of
life.
I
think
privacy
is
an
issue.
A
deck
in
the
back
on
second
story
would
be
something
where
the
privacy
issues
for
immediate
neighbors,
including
the
murphy
household,
including
john's
household
and
mine,
would
would
be
a
concern.
C
I
have
a
concern
with
property
values
declining
for
the
houses
that
are,
you
know,
particularly
very
close
to
the
current
project,
and
I
am
aligned
with
the
others
who
have
spoken
tonight
in
that
I
I
feel
this
project
is
not
consistent
with
the
neighborhood.
By
the
way
I
have
lived
in
1241
clermont
for
16
years
now,
and
I
think
this
is
a
wonderful
neighborhood.
I
would
hate
to
see
something
like
this
happen
to
my
neighbors.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you
to
everyone
that
commented.
I
believe.
F
B
Cars
can
possibly,
you
know,
navigate
very
safely
through
that
little
intersection
there.
So
when
the
when
the
house
is
increased
at
the
size
that
is
proposed,
I've
had
major
concern
of
visibility
being
the
further
constricted,
especially
coming
in
from
fairmont
into
fairmont
in
that
direction,
as
well
as
when
the
size
of
the
house
is
increased
at
such
scale.
I
I'm
concerned
that
there
will
be
more
cars,
visitors
or
residents
parking
on
the
street
on
that
particular
and
that
fairmont
section
to
cause
further
risk.
A
I
believe
we
need
to
want
to
close
our
public
hearing
before
we
come
back
for
a
discussion.
Do
we
have
a
motion
through
the
general
motion
that
we
close.
A
So
I
want
to
take
the
prerogative
of
the
cherish
time
to
ask
staff
how
serious
this
concern
is
around
the
issue
with
our
zoom
link,
because
you
know
we
like
to
comply
with
the
brown
act
and
it
does
sound
like
there's
a
concern
that
if
we
take
a
vote
on
this
today,
that
it
may
be
that
that
it's
a
aside
from
any
appeal
to
council
or
whatever
that
that
vote
may
be
invalid.
B
B
The
agenda
that
was
posted
on
friday
did
not
have
the
correct
zoom
link,
but
then
that
was
corrected
today
for
this
meeting
we
did
send
out
emails
and
also
phone
calls
to
everyone
that
had
expressed
interest
on
the
agenda
items
this
evening,
and
we've
also
talked
to
the
city,
clerk
and
the
city
attorney,
and
both
are,
you
know,
have
found
that
the
that
the
issue
is
you
know
is
unfortunate,
but
it
is
not
something
that
would
prevent
you
from
taking
action
this
evening.
A
A
E
Through
the
chair,
in
reality,
if
someone,
if
someone
try,
you
know
nor
typically
you
go
through
the
link
and
you
click
on.
Then
you
take
the
appropriate
direction
to
to
be
accepted
in
you.
Can't
do
it
much
before
several
minutes
before
starting
time
you
stay
on
and
it
says,
host
letting
you
win
it
just
spins
and
spins
and
spins.
E
A
Just
to
respond
to
that,
commissioner
johnson,
my
point
is
that
the
you
obviously
like
you
can't
use
the
link
hours
in
advance,
but
you
could
have
downloaded
the
agenda
hours
in
advance.
So
that's
that's.
Where
I'm
a
little
concerned
about
this,
that,
as
the
commenter
said,
we
could
have
had
somebody
who
downloaded
the
you
know
a
document
with
the
wrong
link.
They
were
trying
to
click
on
the
wrong
link
and
did
not
get
the
comment,
and
we
do
want
to
receive
everyone's
comments.
I
mean
it
does
sound.
A
Like
people
largely
dealt
with
that,
I
guess
I
I
just
like.
I
don't
like
the
idea
of
the
city
having
legal
liability
open
from
something
like
that.
If,
if,
if
our
city
attorney,
if
mark
zaffirano,
is
satisfied
that
there
is
precedent
for
this
sort
of
thing
and
that
that's
not
an
issue,
then
fine,
but
it
does,
it
seems
like
a
valid
concern
to
raise.
A
F
I
said
I'll
try,
my
best.
There
was
quite
a
bit.
Maybe
I'll
do
focus
on
the
the
key
points
that
it
seems
like
most
of
the
people
were
pointing
out.
F
F
If
we
place
it
on
the
other
side,
it
would
be
even
larger,
because
if
it's
on
the
corner,
we
place
it
in
the
back
and
also
have
trees,
and
it
would
have
more
of
a
transition,
and
it
just
made
more
sense
because
there's
other
houses
in
the
neighborhood
that
had
the
same
similar
design,
which
is
basically
a
second
floor
on
top
of
the
garage.
F
So
that
was
one
of
the
concerns
that
we
had
was
that
how
it
could
fit
in
where
it
doesn't
stick
out
and
by
putting
it
really
far
in
front
and
close
to
the
turning
of
that
street.
That
didn't
make
any
sense.
So
that's
why
we
placed
it
on
the
back
the
side
in
terms
of
the
elevation
and
the
foundation
of
our
side
being
higher.
The
foundation
is
the
same
for
both
houses.
I
think
the
difference
is
we
have
crawl
space
and
they
might
not
have
a
crawl
space,
but
just
wanted
to
clarify
that.
F
That's
just
that
was
incorrect
and
in
terms
of
the
style
we've
we've
gone
through
this
design
process
a
couple
of
times
already
and
our
original
design
was
different
and
we
highly
respect
the
commissioners
and
all
their
design
advice
and
every
time
we've
had
one
of
these
design
crea
reviews.
We
have
changed
our
design,
lowered
our
height
and
did
everything
we
could
to
meet
all
that
and,
in
the
end
I
feel
like.
F
We've
met
all
the
requirements,
also
in
terms
of
the
style
of
the
house
with
the
balcony
or
the
wrapping
patio,
and
all
that
that's
very
ranch
style.
I
think
it
might
look
a
little
bit
modern
with
the
coloring,
but
ultimately
it's
it's
like
a
ranch
style
house
and
I
feel
like
we.
We
followed
that
pretty
closely
in
terms
of
that
style
having
the
entrance
receded
underneath
the
porch
and
all
that
right
and
then,
let's
see
what
else.
F
I
think
that
was
that
was
that
was
the
one
of
the
big
items.
I
guess
the
second
big
item
was
we,
our
neighbor
wasn't
here
when
we
were
designing
the
project
like
he
wasn't
physically
here,
because
that
house
is
vacant,
so
I
mean,
if
he
was
here
earlier,
we
would.
F
We
would
definitely
have
consulted
him,
but
we
spent
over
about
a
year
designing
this
project
and
he
can't
you
know
he's
here
at
the
very
end
and
he
didn't
like
what
he
saw
and
but
you
know
we're
already
towards
stanford's
design
and
already
kind
of
well
into
design
review.
So
you
know
it's.
We
tread
our
best.
F
Yeah
and
we
have
the
most
respect
for
the
community,
we
don't
want
to
do
anything
out
of
the
norm
to
make
anyone
feel
uncomfortable
if
there's
needs
for
privacy.
Please
let
us
know
we'll
do
what
we
can
put
up.
Shades
glass
can
be
tinted.
I
think
one
of
the
concerns
the
west
side.
We
made
sure
that
none
of
the
windows
faced
anybody's
backyard,
and
if
that
is
not
true,
we
will
change
the
size
of
the
window
and
we
will
do
what
we
need
to
to
make
sure.
A
F
A
E
Through
the
chair,
can
mr
wong
address
concerns
for
the
the
sun
study
or
the
sun
concerns
or
lack
of.
F
I
can
address
that,
so
the
sun
study,
the
reason
why
we
gave
information
there
was-
I
mean
the
sun
changes
quite
a
bit
throughout
the
day
throughout
the
year
to
encompass
every
single
situation.
F
F
Yes,
but
in
terms
of
the
the
sun
study
I
mean
all
the
information.
Is
there
that's
necessary
for
somebody
to
figure
out
whether
or
not
they'll
be
in
shade
throughout
the
entire
year?
So.
A
Can
can
I
ask,
in
regard
to
this
concern
around
the
traffic,
I'm
honestly,
I'm
a
little
puzzled
as
to
how
a
second
story
edition
has
anything
to
do
with
visibility
around
the
corner
in
the
first
place
like
from
the
ground
level.
The
second
story
is,
you
know,
I
mean
let's
say
it's
what's
at
ground
level,
so
I'm
a
little
puzzled.
Like
I
mean
it's,
the
tree
concern
whatever,
and
I
have
a
question
about
that
for
staff
in
a
bit,
but
I
guess
I'm
honestly
a
little
puzzled.
A
F
Understood
if
I
may,
I
can
share
my
screen,
I
can
show
the
rendering
or
if
you
see
the
rendering
looking
from,
I
guess
that
would
be
if
you're
standing
on
the
east
side.
If
you
look
at
the
rendering
you'll
see
the
direction
of
the
house
coming
out
right.
So
if
you
imagine
another
10
12
feet
going
up,
if
you're
walking
along
the
street,
it
would
be
rather
towering
so
and
so
by
pushing
it
back
when
you're
walking
along
the
street.
F
You
see
like
a
first
like
a
one-story
house
versus
a
two-story
house
and
therefore
it
would
be
less
distracting,
basically
a
little
bit
smaller
in
order.
A
F
We
stayed
completely
within
our
existing
footprint.
We've
only
taken
one
side
of
the
the
building.
F
B
F
So
my
point
is
that
if
this
is
the
second
story,
if
we
place
it
on
this
side
over
here,
what
would
happen
is
if
you
were
standing
over
here
and
you're
looking
this
way,
instead
of
being
only,
I
believe,
13
feet,
it
would
be
25
feet.
So
a
good
example
would
be
this
rendering
over
here.
So
because
this
set
back
pretty
far,
it
would
seem
a
little
bit
smaller
and
further
away.
A
I
I
guess
I
mean
to
be
honest.
I
think
it
would
care
less
about
what
the
visual
impact
is
to
somebody
walking
along
the
streets.
Then
we
would
care
about
the
neighbors
and
about
street
visibility
in
terms
of
traffic
safety,
and
I
said
it
doesn't
seem
like
this
impacts
traffic
safety
regardless,
but
that
this
you
know
the
what
happens
within
the
footprint
of
the
building
doesn't
seem
like.
It
affects
sight
lines
along
the
street
in
terms
of
you
know
not
having
a
car
hit
a
pedestrian
or
something
well.
F
So
if
you
were
here,
it
would
be
much
much
higher
you
would,
it
would
be.
It
would
be
more
tiring,
talking
taller
as
you're,
making
the
turn,
and
we
wanted
to
avoid
that.
It
would
look.
It
would
look
more
overbearing
if
that
was,
if
that
our
goal
was
to
be
less
overbearing,
and
the
point
is,
if
you
put
on
this
side,
closer
to
the
root
and
closer
out,
and
on
top
of
that,
if
you
were
to
do
that,
it
would
be.
I
mean
we're
following
also
the
other
designs
at
the
house.
B
E
I
would
concur
with
them
with
commercial
harmony
and
I'd
only
see
it
as
if
it
was
placed
on
the
other
side
and
that's
on
the
table,
so
that's
probably
not
even
relevant.
It
would
just
be
a
distraction,
but
certainly
not
a
safety
factor.
E
This
actually,
maybe
not
something
that
would
be
as
pleasantly
to
look
at,
but
we'll
really
be
addressing
a
safety
issue
and
and
and
it's
not
even
relevant,
so
I
guess
the
only
relevancy
that
I
could
see
is
that
if
you
were
to
restructure
it-
and
you
were
to
comply
with
you
with
the
requests
of
the
neighbors-
is
that
you
were
to
move
it
to
the
other
side.
I
think
your
points
are
well
taken
in
the
fact
that
it
is
a
destruction.
It
could
potentially
be
a
safety
factor.
E
You
know
all
those
kinds
of
things,
but
this
at
this
particular
time.
It
isn't
from
my
point
of
view.
It
isn't,
it
isn't
relevant,
it
isn't
safety
and
it
seems
to
be.
You
know,
you've
pointed
out
the
facts
pretty
clearly,
which
I
appreciate.
A
We
have
an
additional,
it
looks
like
I
have,
commissioner
leffen.
C
I
think
commissioner
madden
had
his
hand
up
first,
since
I'm
gonna,
let
him
I'm
gonna,
let
him
fire
first.
Certainly.
B
B
B
That
said,
I
don't
think
this
house
has
any
effect
on
that
on
this
design.
I
think
it's
just
kind
of
inherent
to
the
intersection
that
it's
just
about
to
a
tea
intersection
of
narrow
streets,
and
this
house
just
happens
to
be
there,
so
I
think
it's
just
kind
of
the
nature
of
the
design
of
the
streets,
not
so
much
the
house.
C
Sure
I
wanted
to
concur
that
I
am
not
seeing
much
in
the
way
of
traffic
concern.
C
All
I'm
seeing
is,
is
building
going
upwards
in
that
area
and
not
interfering
with
the
sight
line
of
traffic
and
then
regarding
the
the
reason
why
they
set
the
the
upper
floor
edition
where
they
did
about
the
garage,
it
seems
as
though
it
provides
the
kind
of
step
backs
that
our
code
requires
as
far
as
frontage,
along
with
streets.
C
I
do
know
that
that
the
code
that
we
follow
requires
that
there
not
be
just
a
flat
plane
of
two-story
home
facing
the
street,
and
I
do
understand,
logically,
why
they
put
the
edition
where
they
did,
because
it
does
offer
some
visual
relief
from
the
front
and
provides
that
kind
of
articulation
and
stuff
back.
That's
that's
required.
C
I'm
kind
of
going
through
my
little
list
of
questions
here.
Many
of
them
were
addressed
the
four
foot,
one
setback
on
the
right
hand,
side
of
the
property.
It
sounds
as
though
that
was
basically
grandfathered
in
with
the
prior,
the
prior
stack,
so
that
check
from
my
list.
C
B
Yeah
so
I've
I've
put
the
the
elevations
up.
They
are
in
the
architecture
review
packet.
There
was
one
comment
from
neighbors
that
they
were
not
available,
but
they
they
are
in
the
market.
The
planning
commission
packet
this
evening,
so
you
can
see
the
the
rear
elevation
that
includes
the
the
deck
and
also
the
side
elevation
that
includes
the
deck.
B
So
the
window,
the
small
window
on
the
second
floor,
which
is
above
eye
level,
is
for
the
closet
and
then
the
two
other
windows
above
eye
level
are
for
the
restroom
and
then
the
other
clear
story
window
above
eye
level,
is
in
the
the
front,
bedroom
yeah.
C
B
So
the
deck
does
extend
to
to
the
side,
and
then
it
it
also.
You
can
see
it's
also
also
its
relationship
to
1181
fairmont,
so
it
appears
that
it
would
be
facing
towards
their
rear
yard.
As
the
speaker
mentioned,.
C
And
as
far
as
screening,
it
looks
to
me
as
though
there's
some
landscaping
that
may
be
providing
screening
can.
Can
somebody
elaborate
on
that.
B
I
believe
there
is
a
plant
key
here,
it's
hard
to
tell
which
oh,
let's
see
it's
actually
a
bunch,
it's
actually
a
boxed
hedge,
so
it
would
not
be.
It
would
be
a
very
small
plant
at
ground
level
below
the
fence
height
and
there's
only
one
tree
in
that
corner.
That
would
be
taller
yeah.
The
the
one.
F
Is
but
if
we
need
to
add
taller
trees
in
that
location,
that's
what
we
can
accommodate
yeah
I
mean
if
you
did
something
like
replace
the
box
edges.
A
I
see
commissioner
b
asadi
with
a
hand
up.
B
Yeah,
thank
you
eric
carlos
I'm
kind
of
struggling
with
this
one,
because
I
understand
everyone's
concerns
about
it
being
a
larger
home,
but
you
know
just
a
few
blocks
away
in
that
same
neighborhood.
We
had
all
the
crest
more
fire
homes
that
we
allowed
to
be
even
bigger
than
this.
B
B
I've
not
seen
one
done
like
this.
If
the
architect
could
possibly
explain
how
to
read
this,
I
would
appreciate
it
usually
when
we
see
shadow
studies,
it.
F
F
Okay,
so
the
sun
december,
the
two
decembers,
that's
basically
where
the
the
angles
of
which
the
sun
will,
if
you,
if
it's
shining
it's
like
between
those
two
senses
where
the
sun
will
travel
and
between
march
and
september,
it
will
travel
to
the
other
side
and
so
that
you
can
see
the
path
the
of
where
it's
going
to
be
going.
So
throughout
this
path,
we'll
be
creating
angles
throughout
you
know
the
the
day,
depending
on
the
month,
it
is,
and
so
to
know
how
high
the
sun
is.
F
It
changes
between
the
seasons,
so
at
the
bottom,
at
the
winter
time,
it's
29.8
degrees
and
then,
during
the
summer,
it'll
be
much
higher
and
which
is
75
degrees
and
so
that
basically
kind
of
shows
you
the
height
as
well
as
the
direction
of
the
sun.
F
Given
this
specific
point
on
the
planet,
I
guess,
but
that's
that's
how
it
would
so
if
you
basically
draw
basically
a
straight
line
anywhere
on
this
map
across
to
where
you
want
to
see
the
height
or
where
the
sun
angle
is,
you
could
given
the
way
it's
shown,
because
the
key
information
is
the
angles
and
of
the
direction
of
the
sun
and
the
orientation
of
the
house
from
north
to
south
or
yeah.
F
I'm
sorry
was
that
is
that
clear
or
left?
Please
ask
you
know
the
questions
that
that
was
yeah.
I
prefer
shadow
studies,
though
this
this
is
for
public
consumption.
This
is
something
you
have
to
sit
and
calculate,
and
it's
not
very
consumer
friendly,
and
I
think
that's
what
you're
going
to
want
to
push
back
from
the
neighbors,
because
this
looks
like
trying
to
hide
something.
But
I
mean.
A
Just
to
ask
is
it
basically
that
if
so
the
point
at
the
center
of
that
diagram,
where
you,
whether
you
have
the
plus,
where
those
two
axes
come
together,
what
we're
seeing
there
with
the
june
and
june
the
march
or
september
equinox
ones,
those
are
the
direction
of
the
sunrise
and
sunset
points
on
that:
okay,
yeah
so
set
and
then
run
yeah,
and
then
we
have
the
and
then
the
angle,
that's
given
is
the
the
apogee
the
the
peak
angle.
Yes,
of
that
specific.
A
Yeah,
I
do
at
least
understand
it
correctly.
Yeah
it's
a
little.
It
takes
a
little
effort
to
interpret.
A
B
Yeah,
I
agree
with
the
commissioner
b
asadi,
I
mean
this
shadow
study.
Diagram
is
not
very
user
friendly
at
all.
Normally,
what
I'm
used
to
seeing
is
the
actual
shadows
projected
at
different
times
of
the
year
at
different
times
of
the
day
morning,
noon
winter
fall
spring
summer,
etcetera.
B
So
I
I
don't
think
this
is
a
very
helpful
diagram.
It
doesn't
seem
to
account
for
the
second
story
edition.
Maybe
I'm
misinterpreting
it,
but
I
don't
see
any
change
or
drastic
change
in
the
line.
Work
where
that
shadow
would
kind
of
change.
It
just
seems
like
the
nice
smooth
oval
all
around,
I'm
not
sure
if
you're
showing
the
extent
of
the
shadow
there
or
not
or
just
position
of
the
sun.
Somehow
so
I
agree
that
it's
not
very
helpful
and
again
I
I
do
have
like
he
already
mentions
a
couple
times.
B
C
Yeah,
I
also
had
I
struggled
to
understand
the
shadow
study.
In
fact,
when
I
was
reviewing
the
packet,
I
did
see
that
page
and
didn't
it
did
not
dawn
on
me
that
that
was
an
actual.
It
sounds
like
maybe
not
shadow
study,
but
more
of
a
sun
study.
It
doesn't
tell
me
the
effect.
C
It
doesn't
illustrate
the
effect
that
the
the
new
edition
would
have
as
far
as
casting
shadow
on
the
neighbors,
and
I
think,
a
question
that
I
have
for
staff
surrounding
that
is,
first
of
all,
I'm
more
familiar
with
shadow
studies
on
larger
commercial
projects.
I'm
curious
whether
or
not
this
was
a
requirement
or
something
they
architected
to
satisfy
a
request,
but
also,
even
regardless
of
the
shadow
study
or
the
results
of
what
the
shadow
study
would
even
tell
us
is.
B
Yes,
through
the
chair,
the
the
shadow
study
is
not
required
for
editions,
second
story
editions,
and
so
this
was
the
the
fact
that
the
applicant
provided
it
was.
You
know,
an
additional
piece
of
information,
certainly
the
on
a
broader
scale
and
one
of
your
findings
that
that
were
this,
where
the
planning
commission
has
some
discretion
is
regarding
light
and
error.
So
you
know
in
general,
does
the
you
know
does
the
proposal
you
know
impact
light
and
air
to
the
property?
B
So
we
don't.
That
is
not
typically,
you
know
measured
for
a
single
family
resident
residents,
but
certainly
that's
something
that
the
planning
commission
could
take
into
consideration.
B
This
is
a
little
bit
more
in
your
wheelhouse
than
money,
but
solar
blocking
sunlight
on
somebody's
roof
where
they
potentially
could
put
solar.
Can
somebody
clarify
what
those
rules
conditions
whatever,
because
I
I'm.
A
Pretty
sure
we
can't
build
something,
that's
going
to
put
a
shadow
onto
somebody
else's.
My
understanding
is
there
is
there
is
there?
Is
state
law
around
this
issue,
but
it
doesn't
apply
to
cutting
off
the
possibility
of
deploying
solar
in
a
situation
like
this,
because
I
have
concerns
around
solar
productivity.
Since
I
work
in
the
industry
myself,
but
I
don't-
I
don't
see
that
being
applicable
here
and
I
think
staff
may
clarify
that
it
may
not
apply
in
residential
cases
anyway.
It
usually
is
a
more
large
industrial
scale
situation.
A
I
I
would
have
to
say
you
know
that
I
I'm
not
familiar
with
the
laws
that
would
you
know
that
effect
would
affect
this,
but
I
it's.
I
believe
it's
the
fact
that
if
you
there
may
be
an
issue
if
you're
impacting
someone
that
already
has
solar,
I'm
not
you
know
that
may
be
actually
more
of
a
of
a
civil
issue.
I
don't
know
if
there's
you
know
what
the
legal
precedence
is
for
that
yeah.
A
B
Yeah,
I
appreciate
the
changes
that
the
architect
and
homeowner
has
made
to
make
the
place
more
in
line
with
surrounding
properties.
They've
done
well
on
that.
My
main
concern
is
overshadowing
the
one
two
five
one,
and
can
I
ask
how
far
I
know
that
the
setback
is
five
feet,
they're
stuck
with
that?
That's
the
original
setback,
but
how
far
is
that
the
wall
of
the
building
from
the
main
wall
of
next
door?
Two
five,
one,
two
five
one.
B
Well,
let
me
see
I'll
go
back
to
the
screen
share,
although
actually
I
may
go
back
to.
B
Yeah
that
I
think,
there's
a
bit
of
distortion
here.
Let
me
go
to
back
to
this,
even
though
this
is.
F
B
It's
important
to
you
know
just
basically
understand
what
is
going
on
at
the
neighbor's
home
that
the
white,
the
white
area
you
see
is
a
covered
patio
and
then
you
can
see
how
this
the
house
steps
back
in
so
that
the
the
main
outdoor
living
area
is,
you
know,
probably
at
least
20
feet.
You
know
where
it
steps
back
the
most
feet
at
the
furthest.
Point:
yeah:
okay,
that's
not
too
bad,
but
that's.
That
would
be
my
main
concern
that
it's
overshadowing
the
house
next
door
and
maybe
cutting
out
their
sunlight.
A
I
don't
see
any
further
hands,
so
I
did
want
to
come.
I
mean
like
I
like,
I
definitely
you
know
being
in
the
industry
myself,
the
the
fact
that
this
basically
I
mean
it
does.
It
definitely
looks
like
this
makes
rooftop
solar
not
viable
on
this
property,
which
is
unfortunate,
but
it
doesn't
have
solar
deploy
and,
as
I
understand
it,
both
our
city
code
and
the
state
law.
A
Don't
I
mean
they
don't
make
that
an
allowable
reason
under
the
circumstances-
and
I
mean
I
think
we-
it's
really
important-
that
people
who
are
you
know,
planning
to
build
for
their
homes,
have
certainty
that
they
know.
You
know
you
follow
the
rules,
you
go
through
the
steps
and
you
get
your
permit
and
you
don't
have
sort
of
unpredictable
extensive
redesigns.
A
To
be
honest,
there
was
a
comment
earlier
about
making
an
exception,
and
I
think
exactly
the
problem
is
that
this
is
not
an
exception.
They
have
kicked
all
the
boxes,
they
are
they're
doing
this
the
right
way,
they're
doing
it
according
to
our
code,
and
I
think
they
actually
would
merit.
You
know
to
take
some
of
your
concerns
to
city
council
about
adjusting
our
daylight
ordinance
so
that
the
next
time
somebody
has
this
situation.
A
They
are
following
a
set
of
rules
that
pushes
them
in
a
slightly
different
direction
that
I
I
think
we
could
have
had
next.
You
know
the
exception
that
we
could
have
made
is
earlier
in
the
process
if
it
was
structurally
plausible
to
rotate
that
around
you
know,
I
get
the
concern
about
the
people
like
the
building
to
have
more
of
a
step
back
and
feel
less
imposing
from
the
street,
but
it
seems
like
it
actually
would
have
probably
made
the
neighbor
neighbors
happier
and
and
left
the
north
eastern
side
of
the
next
door.
A
Neighbor
more
sun
access
if
it
had
been
rotated
the
other
direction,
but
this
seems
awfully
late
in
the
process
to
force
that
kind
of
major
structural
redesign
again
that
it
that
they
have.
They
have
followed
our
code,
and
so
I'm
I.
I
don't
see
that
that
we
can
really
justify
entirely.
You
know
rejecting
a
permit
for
it
on
that
basis.
At
this
point,.
B
Yeah
a
question
for
either
michael
or
brandon:
can
you
show
us,
in
the
code
the
how
they're
able
to
get
around
the
daylight
plane
by
picking
any
side
except
the
critical
side?
B
So
this
needs
to
be
a
misinterpretation
of
the
code.
You
don't
when
you're
on
a
corner
a
lot.
D
Yeah,
so
that's
actually,
it
is
not
codified.
It's
in
the
residential
design
guidelines,
and
so
we
can
definitely
pull
that
up,
but
it
was
the
slide
in
the
powerpoint.
So
it
does
say
that
when
doing
a
second
story
addition,
someone
has
to
comply
with
either
the
daylight
plane
or
facade
articulation
options.
D
That
is
one
area,
though,
where
you
know
as
a
planning
commission,
you
do
have
some
discretion,
because
the
the
residential
design
guidelines
says
that
has
to
be.
You
know,
applied
as
satisfactory
to
the
arc
or
the
planning
commission.
You
know
so
you
you
could
authorize
for
that
section
to
have
the
other
side
comply
with
the
daylight
plane
as
well.
D
However,
as
mentioned
that
is
it's
not
in
the
code,
it's
in
the
residential
design
guidelines
as
as
a
one
or
the
other
option,
but
did
you
want
to
pull
that
up?
Michael
yeah.
B
I
was
just
looking,
I
can't
remember,
which
page
it
was
on
so
many.
Many
years
ago
I
used
to
design
houses,
I
probably
designed
over
200
houses,
doing
structures,
not
architecture,
but
in
almost
every
city
in
the
bay
area.
You
would
see
this
16-foot
plane
and
a
45-degree
angle,
that's
at
all
sides
of
the
house,
and
this
definitely
doesn't
meet
that.
So
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
not
doing
something
here.
That's
in
violation
of
the
spirit
of
the
I
guess:
it's
not
a
code,
but
the
design
guy.
B
What
I,
what
I've
put
up
here
is
under
section
3.6.2.
It
says
new
construction
and
addition
shall
conform
to
either
the
daylight
plane
or
facade
articulation
options
described
below
so
the
daylight
plane
option
is
the
first
example,
and
then
you
zoom
in
on
that
a
little
bit
sure
sure.
A
B
Yeah,
it's
actually
more
strict
than
what
I
used
to
see,
but
my
memory
could
be
fogging
than
a
house
in
15
years,
but
yeah.
So
then
the
so
again
there's
the
two
options.
The
second
is
the
facade
articulation
option
which
basically,
you
know,
allows
for
the
step
backs
and
the
the
setback
for
the
front
of
the
house.
B
So
it's
you
know
that
option
is
locating
second
floor
walls
facing
front
property
lines
at
least
five
feet
back
from
the
the
front
wall,
setting
the
side
and
rear
second
floor
walls
set
back
for
three
feet
of
the
of
the
entire
perimeter,
so
that
was
what
brandon
described
you
know
so
so
this
particular
the
architect
chose
to
to
use
the
the
facade
articulation
option
here,
which
the
design
guidelines
allow
you
to
do
either,
but
it
just
does
not
require
you
to
do
both.
B
So
they
didn't
do
that
for
the
entire
length
of
the
house,
though,
on
that
side
right
well,
but
yes,
but
we
look
yeah,
we
look
at
the
perimeter,
so
we
look
at
the
entire
perimeter
of
the
house.
So
if
the,
if
the
second
story
was
you
know,
proposed
to
be
over
the
entire
house,
we
would
we
look
at
the
entire
perimeter
of
the
house.
B
B
You
know
some
some
examples
and
you
can
see
the
you
know.
For
example
the
blue
house,
on
the
the
right
hand,
side
which
is
similar
to
this
one,
except
you
know
without
the
addition
going,
you
know
over
the
main
portion
of
the
house,
but
you
can
see
that
there
are.
B
You
know,
situations
where
you
do
do
have
the
the
higher
second
wall,
the
you
know,
the
the
orange
colored
house
or
terracotta
color
colored
house
also
has
you
know
again
uses
the
second
floor,
step
back
example
or
or
type
of
style,
as
opposed
to
the
the
other
style,
and
I
think
you
know
the
intent
was
was
to
not
necessarily
make
san
bruno's
design
guidelines
as
restrictive
as
some
communities.
I
know
I've,
you
know.
B
I've
worked
in
many
communities
which
have
what
commissioner
madden
is
describing,
which
is
kind
of
the
wedding
cake
requirement
where
it
does
require
that
the
entire
structure
be
set
in
from
existing
side
setbacks
at
a
certain
certain
degree
and
and
sometimes
applies
daily
planes
to
all
sides
of
the
home.
So
again,
san
bruno's
guidelines
are
not
that
restrictive.
A
Do
you
have
any
other
remarks
on
this
topic?
I
guess
I'll
say
for
myself
that,
as
I
said
before
I
mean
I
I
I
think
this
merits
like
putting
on
the
agenda
for-
and
I
know
that
this
is
a
it's
a
lengthy
process
and
there's
a
lot
of
other
things
going
on,
but
it
does
seem
like
daylight
access.
The
daylight
plane
requirement
could
stand
to
rethink
to
say
like
do.
A
We
want
that
particular
portion
of
the
rule
to
be
you
know
specific
to
like,
rather
than
having
the
option
of
articulation
or
daylight
to
actually
require
a
daylight
analysis
for
each
side
of
the
house
that
faces
a
neighbor,
but
I
think
it
would
be
unfair
to
say
that.
Okay,
you
followed
the
guidelines
that
exist,
we're
now
rewriting
the
guidelines
and
making
you
follow
them.
I
mean
that
seems
like
it
has
to
be
something:
that's
a
future
concern.
Not
it
doesn't
seem.
You
know
fair
to
somebody
who's
invested.
A
However,
many
thousand
dollars
in
the
design
work
that
we
you
know
that
applies
to
them.
If
we're
changing
the
rules
in
midstream,.
B
Yeah,
I'm
not
suggesting
we
change
the
rules,
midstream
I
am
suggesting.
I
think
we
should
revisit
this
issue
in
the
future,
not
requiring
someone
to
do
a
shadow
study
but
to
apply
the
rule
on
the
property
line
where
he's
or
the
setback
is
already
violating
the
norm.
It's
an
existing
condition.
I
get
that,
but
this
setback
requirement
or
the
daylight
plane
requirement.
I
should
say
it's
being
interpreted
extremely
liberally
in
my
opinion,
and
you
know
it
should
be
on
the
critical
property
lines.
B
So
I
think,
if
there's
a
way
to
strengthen
that
language
for
future
city
guidelines
or
codify
it
or
whatever.
I
think
that's.
That
would
be
a
wise
thing,
because
I
think
more
and
more
people
are
gonna
start
getting
solar
and-
and
you
know
it
doesn't
make
sense
to
mess
that
up
for
everybody.
E
I
do
concur
with
all
the
comments.
The
one
thing
is
just
because
I've
done
some
recent
solar
research
when
there
was
something
impacting
your
house,
so
the
company
will
look
at
other
ways
for
it
to
be
able
to
solar
to
be
doesn't
help
in
one
area
it
does
they
do
restruct
move
things
around
to
make
sure
that
it
happens
in
it
and
99
of
the
times
it
it
is.
It
is
possible
to
get
that
solar
in
and
it's
not
a
one
shot.
A
You
know
I
I
I
mean
you're
a
bit
you're,
basically
right
in
general,
commissioner
johnson,
but
I
mean
looking
at
this.
That's
why
I
was
saying
that
you
know
if
I
had
been
sitting
in
a
meeting
much
earlier
in
this
process
like
I
would
have
suggested
that
we
should
make
an
exception
to
our
rules
about
the
step
back
along
that
southeast
side.
A
In
order
to
leave
more
insolation
of
the
eastern
half
of
the
home
to
the
north,
I
mean
it
really
does.
To
be
honest,
like
just
you
know,
I
mean,
without
an
actual
you
know,
full
diagram,
like
commissioner
madden
was
discussing
it's
hard
to
say
100
for
certain,
but
it
sure
looks
like
this
is
going
to
make
a
solar
system
non-viable
on
that
that
property
to
the
north,
that
it
will
fully
occlude
the
roof
for
too
much
of
the
overall
time.
A
Which
I
mean
you
know
like
rooftop,
solar
doesn't
have
to
be
a
hundred
percent
of
grooves
and
you
can
sign
up
for
the
peninsula
clean
energy,
100
and
so
on,
like
at
a
neighborhood
level.
In
some
ways
it
makes
sense
to
you
know
you
deploy
a
mega
pack
at
the
substation
and
you
do
commercial,
solar
in
some
ways
that's
cheaper,
but
it
is
still
like.
I,
I
think
that
it
merits
revisiting.
A
I
agree
with
commissioner
madden
that
that
that
we
should
consider
in
future
revising
this
standard
so
that
there
is
some
kind
of
daylight
requirement
on
any
side
that
that
faces
a
neighbor.
But
but
I
think
that
is
a
topic
for
the
future
rather
than
a
standard,
because
I
it
just
it
does
seem
unfair
to
you
know
to
force
whatever
ten
thousand
dollars
in
rework
or
whatever
it
is
to
on
the
basis
of
changing
that.
A
A
I
have
a
question
for
staff,
which
is
whether
something
like
if
the
trees
along
the
actual
outer
corner,
where,
like
you
know,
if
you're
trying
to
make
that
turn
between
fairmont
and
claremont,
so
that
there
there
are
trees
marked
actually
along
that
outer
perimeter
of
their
property
against
the
sidewalk.
A
Do
we
have
sort
of
traffic
enforcement
standards
where,
if
those
trees
got
really
bushy
and
created
an
actual
sight
line
shoe
I
mean,
leaving
aside
the
parked
cars
which
themselves
are
going
to
create
some,
but
is
that
something
where
code
can
compel
like?
Hey
you
gotta
get
it.
You
know
yard
service
to
trim
this.
B
Yes,
we
so
we
have
a
basic
35
foot
vision
triangle
to
start
with,
so
that's
applied
at
the
at
the
curb,
so
basically,
nothing
over
three
feet
could
be
within
that
area.
This
I
know
the
way
people
folks
have
described
this
this
corner
and
I've
grown
up
myself.
You
know
it
is
you
know
the
concern
would
be
for
people
trying
to
turn
left.
If
there
was,
you
know
a
lot
of
trees
and
being
able
to
see
around
there,
but
so
I
mean
one
of
one
approach
would
be.
B
A
A
I
personally,
I
didn't
feel
like
we
needed
an
additional
condition.
I
mean
the
design.
Intent
seems
to
be
that
these
are
trees
where
it's,
the
canopy
is
higher
up
at
the
the
choice
of
the
types
of
trees,
but
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
if
that
became
a
concern
like
there's
a
you
know,
hey
buddy,
you
gotta
trim
your
trees
that
if
it
actually
became
a
legitimate
safety
concern
and
we're
having
problems
with
line
of
sight
around
there,
that
we
have
a
mechanism
in
the
future
to
enforce
that.
E
And
last
comment:
we're
looking
at
traffic.
Some
of
the
comments
were
topic
and
visibility.
E
E
If
you
take
a
look
at
that,
and
there
are
ways
they
can
do
that
maybe
a
red
zone,
they
can
do
a
couple
of
things
to
to
avoid
some
of
those
things,
that's
kind
of
an
easier
fix,
but
at
least
you
take
a
look
at
it.
Put
it
in
place
to
to
see
if
there
is
any
concerns
with
that
it
is
a
very
wide
corner.
You
know
I
before
the
meeting
make
a
point
of
looking
at
it.
E
E
Oh
another
thing
I
was
on
google
earth
as
we
were
speaking
and
I
think
one
of
the
gentlemen,
one
of
the
speakers
there
was
a
swimming
pool
directly
behind.
I
didn't
see
that
I
did
see
a
pole
on
the
second
house
behind,
but
there
were
trees
there.
So
I
couldn't
quite
tell-
and
I
don't
need
clarification
for
that,
but
I
just
wanted
to
note
that
I
couldn't
see
a
pole
directly
behind
the
house.
B
I'll
just
start
talking:
yeah
yeah,
I
I
see
the
pool
in
the
google
earth
and
there's
a
very
large
tree.
E
B
It
and
the
house
it
looks
like,
though
the
leaves
are,
and
the
branches
are
way
up
above
so
you
probably
could
see
from
the
balcony
over
to
the
pool,
but
you
will
be
staring
through
some
some
tree
trunks
and
whatnot,
but
I
think
most
of
the
leaves
are
up
much
higher.
But
there's
a
very
large
tree.
There
there's
a
decent
sized
tree
in
the
back
corner
to
the
neighbor
to
the
north
as
well.
B
B
E
I
just
also
the
chair.
I
want
to
comment
down.
I
started
on
the
architectural
review
and
there
was
compliance
in
all
of
the
areas.
I
really
do
like
the
changes
that
were
made
to
the
building.
I
like
the
balance
of
the
way
aesthetically
it
looks
and
wrap
around
portland
there's
a
lot
of
a
warm
fabric,
appearance
to
it,
and
then
that
that
step
out
window
with
the
garage
there's
good
balance
in
the
colors
in
that
there's
been
some
some
good
changes
to
that.
A
I
somewhat
regret
that
this
was
that
we
didn't
look
at
I.
I
don't
know
whether
there
are
other
structural
concerns
or
it
would
raise
the
cost
to
implement.
I
do
somewhat
regret
that
we
didn't
get
a
chance
to
look
at
a
version
that
rotated
the
whole
edition.
I
I
just.
I
can't
see
that
as
a
reason
to
reject
it
at
this
stage
in
the
process
like
if
we're.
If
we
are
have
exhausted
our
comments,
then
I
think
we
need
to
request
a
motion.
A
A
Condition
of
approval
that
the
lowered
height
will
be
implemented
that
any
documents
hand
it
off
to
contractors,
will
give
the
correct
measurements
and
that
will
the
final
product
will
meet
that
requirement,
and
I
think
the
architect
was
fine
with
you
know,
I
mean
that
it's
not
like
that's
hard
to
satisfy
you
just
need
to.
You
know,
make
sure
the
diagrams
are
all
appropriately
adjusted.
B
I
hear
you,
but
I
I
feel
strongly
that,
since
this
is
a
main
feature,
we
were
presented
information
that
was
not
updated
as
we
asked
and
that's
why
I'm
voting?
No,
I
don't
want
to
set
a
precedent
if
you
just
type
a
number
on
on
the
elevation
and
you're
good
to
go
and
then
produce
renders
that
are
not
reflecting
that
change
either.
So
that's
why
I'm
voting
now.
E
Madden,
would
you
consider
consider
it's
fine?
I
respect
your
your
decision
that
they
will
have
to
meet
that
requirement
with
that
information
before
within
that
10-day.
You
know,
though
it
was
a
10-day
approval
process
in
that.
Does
that
change
anything
for
you?
It
won't
change.
A
I
I
actually
have
a
question
for
staff
that
maybe
could
kind
of
break
this
deadlock,
which
is
like
I'm
still
I'm
a
little
concerned
around.
The
brown
act
implications
of
this,
and
I
am
wondering
if
it
is
an
option
to
say
we
actually
defer
the
vote
to
the
next
meeting
and
allow
anybody.
So
what
I'm
wondering
is,
is
there
a
way
to
say
at
the
next
meeting?
A
You
only
get
to
speak
if
you
a
new
participant,
if
you,
if
you
actually
missed
this
meeting
because
of
the
issue,
because
it
is
sort
of
like
where
the
law
requires
that
you
get
your
opportunity
to
comment.
It
does
not
require
that
you
get
to
come
back
and
comment
again,
but
if
somebody
actually
missed
it
and
and
that
would
give
time
for
a
redraw
of
the
rendering
as
well
to
satisfy
commissioner
madden's
concern.
A
I
don't
know
what
the
timeline
is
that
the
applicant
had
in
mind
to
build
this,
whether
the
additional
one-month
delay
is
is
really
onerous
for
them.
I
know
I
mean
I
don't
love
the
idea,
but
I
I
have
been
concerned
around
how
this
the
commenters
point
about
the
zoom
link
is
well
made,
and
so
I
guess
I
wonder
if
that
is
a
realistic
option.
A
B
Recommendation,
you
can
also
specify
you
know
any
any
additional
items
that
you
want
to
see,
corrected
or
clarified.
You
know
with
the
plans,
it's
a
little
more
challenging
to
you
know,
limit
public
participation.
You
know
just
to
those
that
haven't
heard,
but
you
know
you
could.
B
You
know
certainly
encourage
folks
if
you
were
to
continue
it
and
and
hold
another
public
hearing
to
just
have
folks
limit
comments
to
anything
that
they,
you
know
have
previously
raised
as
issues
just
to
try
to
shorten
the
public
comp
time.
But
you
know
we
do
if
you
do
continue
the
public
hearing
that
does.
That
does
mean
you
have
to
make
the
you
know
the
item
available
for
public
comment
and
that
should
not
be
limited,
but.
A
You
you
would
probably
want
to
limit
it
to
certainly
no
more
than
the
three
minutes
and
encourage
speakers
to
only
discuss
items
that
they
did
not
bring
up
last
time
and
we
will,
we
will
have
to
to
some
degree
count
on
the
goodwill
and
good
faith
of
the
participants.
I
guess.
A
Through
the
chair,
yes,
mr
v,
asadi,
let's
go
ahead
and
dive
on
that
grenade.
I'm
in
motion.
A
I'm
I'm
actually
going
to
second
that
myself
and
I
would
like
to
ask
mr
wong
if
he
would
be
so
kind
as
to
adjust
those
diagrams
and
perhaps
update
the
foliage
along
that
line,
as
we
discussed
with
the
box
hedges
being
replaced
with
something
that
would
create,
you
know
either
a
a
standing,
non-running,
bamboo
or
a
cypress,
or
something
that
creates
more
of
a
privacy
screen,
because
that
seemed
to
be
a
pretty
significant
concern
for
people
as
well,
and
I'd
also
like
to
add
that
he
do
something
a
little
more
than
that
for
a
shadow
study.
A
B
Yeah
so
yeah
we
do
do
apologize.
We've
we've
switched
over
to
a
new
software
system
called
primegov
where
everything
is.
A
Entered
in
so
they're,
it
has
been
challenging
for
staff
to
make
sure
everything's
correct,
so
we
apologize
I'm
just
for
the
participants.
I
know
people
have
had
their
hands
up
for
this.
This
is
consumed
a
fair
amount
of
our
evening
and
the
commission
does
have
other
business
to
get
to.
I
do
want
to
emphasize
that
if
you
do
come
back,
we
really
need
you
to
not
just
repeat
the
same
comments.
We
do
take
your
concerns
very
seriously,
but
you
know
everyone's
time
staff's
time
and
the
commissioner's
time
is
valuable.
E
F
B
C
A
All
right,
since
that
was
a
continuance,
there's
no
appeal
involved
and
we
should
just
move
on
to
our
next
item,
which
is
642
pepper
drive.
I
believe
we
get
a
staff
presentation
from
mr
wofford
and
I
need
to
recuse
myself.
Yes,
so
if
madeleine
could
remove,
commissioner
morgan
from
the
participants
set
temporarily.
D
Hello
again,
everyone
can,
you
see,
being
here
everything:
okay,
good,
okay,
well,
hello,
again.
The
next
item
on
our
agenda
is
a
youth
permit,
an
architectural
review
permit
at
642,
pepper,
drive.
D
This
proposed
project
is
located
on
pepper
drive
between
caine's
and
cedar
avenue
in
the
mills,
part
5
of
division
on
a
5,
000
square
foot
lot.
D
D
So
this
this
set
of
the
plants
here
shows
the
upper
floor,
which
would
have
an
expanded
kitchen
and
dining
room
located
in
the
rear
of
the
home,
and
the
lower
floor
would
be
expanded
also
to
include
a
new
entertainment
room
downstairs.
D
The
proposed
project
is
out
of
the
cross
section,
so
there
are
no
changes
to
the
front
of
the
home.
It
would
just
be
an
extension
towards
the
back
so
that
she's
an
elevation
from
the
downhill
side
at
the
top
and
an
elevation
from
the
rear
at
the
bottom.
D
So
as
part
of
the
2020
update
to
the
parking
code
included
this
caveat,
it
included
several
sections
for
non-performing
single-family
homes
and
additions.
So
in
this,
subsection
of
the
parking
code
was
for
single-family
residences,
with
one
off
covered
parking
space,
which
is
what
this
home
has
and
item.
Two
of
this
section
of
the
code
states
that
any
addition
to
a
single
family
home
with
one
cover
up
parking
space.
D
That's
over
250
square
feet
shall
provide
two
off
street
park
spaces,
only
one
of
which
must
be
covered,
so
that
was
one
of
the
biggest
changes
from
the
2020
parking
code.
Update
that
changed
to
how
parking
was
handled
for
additions
in
the
past.
And
now-
and
that
concludes
I
I
apologize.
I
thought
I
included
the
table
as
well
for
this
project,
but
it
is
also
in
the
staff
report.
A
A
D
A
D
A
Is
there
any,
would
you
like
a
presentation
or
oh
it's
some,
some
applicants
want
to
bring
it's
up
to
you.
If
you
weren't
planning
to
then
the
commissioner
madden
could
just
proceed
with
this
question
or
they
have
one
prepared.
B
Okay,
yeah,
I'm
not
sure
if
you
were
president
of
the
last
or
farc
commission,
but
I
have
some
concerns
about
the
roof,
design
and
drainage
and
from
what
I
can
tell.
I
don't
think
they've
been
addressed
and
it
looks
like
the
problems
may
be
getting
worse.
Now,
the
more
I
look
at
this.
B
So
what
I'm
seeing
is
you're,
basically
doing
a
hip
roof
in
the
back
to
match
the
hip
roof
in
the
front,
but
you're
not
from
what
I
can
tell
adding
any
downspouts
for
the
new
roof
and
you've
got
the
cricket
in
the
middle
that
will
spill
out
to
the
left
and
right
on
the
plan
not
connected
to
any
downspouts
and
you're,
losing
the
existing
downspout
in
the
upper
left
corner
of
the
old
room.
B
F
Yes,
so
I
was
here
for
the
previous
meeting
and
I
remember
our
concerns
and
we
have
updated
the
plans
to
downsize,
so
we
could
update
where
the
downspouts
could
be
proposed,
as
was
we're
going
to
add
roof.
B
Crickets,
so
to
help
address
the
solving
of
the
drainage,
so
it
will
be
directed
onto
the
subject:
property
or
the
public
driveway
and
away
from
the
neighbors,
because
we
have
another
project,
that's
very
similar
to
this
design,
and
once
we
got
to
the.
B
And
their
main
issue
is
not
the
bike,
not
the
rainwater
not
directing
it
to
the
adjacent
property,
so
they
will
look
into.
B
B
It's
very
noisy
the
occupant
of
the
house
number
one,
but
also
it
doesn't
have
anywhere
to
go
once
you
get
down
to
the
basement
or
the
down
to
the
crawl
space.
So
it's
hard
to
expect
it's
hard
if
it's
blocked
it's
hard
to
fix
all
those
things
yeah.
So
the
the
owner's
aware
of
our
design
of
doing
internal
dreams
as
well,
one
is
being
directed
back
to
a
public
way.
C
Yeah
hi-
I
am
only
really
just
reviewing
this
these
drawings
because
they
were
absent
from
the
first
staff
packet,
so
forgive
me
for
sounding
a
little
slow.
Am
I
right
in
seeing
that
the
the
roof,
as
I
did
not
sit
on
the
arc
review,
so
this
is
all
brand
new.
C
The
roof
on
the
existing
building
is
basically
going
to
remain
and
you're
putting
an
addition
on,
but
not
replacing
the
roofing
structure
from
the
first
and
you're
kind
of
putting
this
little
I've
never
heard
of
a
cricut
before,
but
you're,
basically
putting
on
a
mini
roof
on
the
new
structure
and
putting
kind
of
this
little
dre
drain.
That's
in
this
funny
little
valley,
it
looks.
C
I
have
never
seen
anything
like
this
and
it
looks
really
unusual
to
me
and
if
I
were
a
neighbor
peeking
out
on
this,
I
would
be
not
delighted
to
to
see
something
like
this.
It
really
looks
kind
of
patched
together
and
a
little
suspect.
So
I
guess
my
question
for
the
applicant
is
why
the
roof
is
designed
this
way,
because
it's
so
unusual.
F
D
C
Okay,
so
the
fro
from
the
front,
the
precise
front
and
the
precise
rear
it
will
look
original
but
from
the
sides
it's
going
to
have
this
regular
roof,
yeah
mini
roof
profile.
C
A
All
right
in
that
case,
should
we
move
on
to
asking.
If
there's
any
public
comment.
B
B
A
A
All
right
do
we
have
any
additional
conversation
or
questions
for
staff.
It
seemed
like
that
issue
with
the
roof
was
the
only
thing
that
was
people
were
concerned
with
having
dealt
with
some
drainage
issues
on
my
own
property.
A
I
know
you
know
avoiding
water
damage,
it's
a
big
deal
and
having
odd
shapes
in
your
roof,
you
definitely
need
to
route
the
water
out
of
those
properly,
but
I
think
you
know
if
staff
has
analyzed
it
and
it's
satisfied
that
it's
not
going
to
impact
the
neighboring
property
in
particular,
then
you
know
that's
sort
of
the
key
question.
B
Question
for
staff:
can
we
mandate
that
these
roof
drains
get
ex
extra
scrutiny
and
that
they
get
hard
connected,
so
they
daylight
at
the
sidewalk
these
this
this
roof
design
is
just
I'm
not
meaning
to
offend
this
architect.
It's
wrong.
B
It's
just
wrong,
and
it
shouldn't
be
this
way,
and
I
don't
want
the
neighbors
coming
back
to
us
saying
you
know
the
excess
water
is
messing
up
my
foundation
and
whatnot,
and
I
think
that
the
house,
the
number
of
downspouts
you're,
going
to
need
here
to
make
this
work,
is
going
to
be
excessive
as
well.
So
if
there's
a
way
we
can
make,
the
building
department
really
check
this
out.
B
If
he
wants
to
go
with
this
roof,
it's
his
prerogative.
I
guess
it
meets
all
the
requirements,
but
it's
just
it
shouldn't
be
this
way.
If
we're
trying
to
save
a
few
bucks
and
it
might
be
causing
more
more
more
issues
down
the
road.
So
if
there's
a
way
we
can
put
that
stipulation
in
there
when
we
vote,
I
would
really
appreciate
it
through
the
chair.
I
have
a
question
for
the
architect.
B
Which
one
of
these
drawings
shows
your
down
spouts
on
this,
we
didn't
put
our
our
elevations
are
not
up
to
date
with
from
the
previous
architecture,
meeting
of
the.
A
Sounds
well
yeah
and
I
I
was
more
concerned
about
the
previous
one
because
it
did
seem
like
a
matter
of
contention
where
there
could
be
a
you
know,
a
legal
action
over
it
from
the
commenters.
Then
I
was
you
know
I
would
personally
be
comfortable
voting
on
this
one,
but
I'm
if,
if
somebody
wants
to
make
a
motion
that
we
continue
this
one
as
well,
they
can
vote
on
that.
B
Sure
I'll
make
a
motion
that
you
continue
this
one
on
the
condition
that
the
drawings
we
updated
to
show
all
the
drainage
from
the
roof,
meaning
downspouts
on
the
new
and
existing
portions
of
the
roof,
the
crickets
and
some
kind
of
acknowledgement
that
they
will
be
draining
to
the
street
and
not
to
the
neighbor's
property
through
either
a
hard
connection
that
goes
below
any
sidewalks.
Or
something
like
that.
E
A
All
right,
then,
we
will
discuss
this
at
a
later
date
march.
15Th.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
Sorry,
I
missed
your
last
name
eugene,
but
that
closes
our
hearing
on
this
topic
and
we
should
proceed
to
find
my
agenda
again.
Our
housing
element
presentation.
I
believe.
D
G
Right
good
evening,
chair
harmon
members
of
the
commission,
michael
smith,
planning
department
staff
today
we're
going
to
go
over
to
or
tonight
we're
going
to
go
over
what
we're
doing
on
the
housing
element.
G
So
tonight's
agenda,
we'll
begin
with
a
background
on
the
housing
element
process
and
move
on
to
an
overview
of
the
city's
arena,
which
is
regional,
housing
needs,
allocation
and
staff
recommendation
for
how
the
city
can
accommodate
the
the
arena.
Allocation
discussion
will
then
shift
to
housing
policies
which
includes
policies
regarding
affirmatively
furthering
for
housing
or
affh.
G
Then
we'll
have
a
brief
discussion
about
the
housing,
trust
fund,
rezonings
and
public
outreach,
and
we
then
close
the
presentation.
By
going
over
the
schedule
we
have
put
together
for
the
housing
element,
and
just
so
you
know
this
is
a
similar
presentation
that
staff
gave
to
the
council
last
last
month.
G
G
G
The
housing
element
will
include
demographic
information
to
provide
background
and
setting
staff
wanted
to
share
some
of
this
information.
Some
of
the
highlights
of
this
information
with
you
for
our
city,
so
first
off
the
san
bruno's
population,
have
been
growing
at
a
rate
that
is
greater
than
the
county
as
a
whole,
with
a
population
growth
of
about
13
percent
in
the
city,
from
2000
to
20
to
2020
compared
to
nine
percent
for
the
overall
county.
G
G
Now
a
little
about
income.
San
bruno
has
a
slightly
higher
percentage
of
lower
income
households
than
most
of
the
county
and
region
with
44
of
households
earning
less
than
80
percent
of
area
median
income
compared
to
40
percent
of
households
in
san
mateo,
county
overall
and
39
of
households
in
the
bay
area
as
a
whole.
G
G
G
In
2020,
the
average
sales
price
of
a
single
family
home
in
san
bruno
was
approximately
1.2
million
and
that's
an
increase
of
116
between
2010
and
2020.,
and
you
know
we're
already
in
2022
now
and
I'm
sure
the
prices
have
continued
to
go
up
since,
since
this
data
was
tabulated,
it
was
happening
with
the
web
rental
prices.
They
have
increased
by
66
percent
between
2009
and
2019..
G
G
The
this
slide
shows
the
different
income
categories
for
san
mateo
county
with
the
corresponding
family
size,
and
so
this
is
what
we
call
the
area,
media
and
income
table
that
we
use
for
for
the
county,
and
this
is
specific
to
the
county
and
not
to
the
city.
G
So
everyone
in
this,
the
county
is
using
the
same
numbers.
G
The
association
of
bay
area
governments,
aka
abag,
working
with
the
housing
methodology
committee,
then
distributes
a
share
of
the
region's
housing
needs
to
each
city,
town
and
county
in
the
region.
G
G
G
Continued
residential,
build
out
of
the
tcp
alone,
which
anticipates
up
to
1610
units,
would
not
be
enough
to
satisfy
the
city's
sixth
cycle
rena
requirement.
However,
it
should
be
noted
that
the
projects
within
the
tcp
area
may
seek
density
bonuses
or
concessions
which
may
result
in
the
development
of
more
more
units
on
each
site.
G
So
now
we're
going
to
take
a
look
at
what
we
were
allocated
in
this
current
cycle.
That
we're
about
to
enter
into,
or
so
not
the
current
cycle,
but
this
the
cycle
that
we're
about
to
enter
into
so
and
that's
the
sixth
cycle.
We've
been
allocated
three
thousand
one
hundred
and
sixty
five
units.
So
if
you
look
back
at
the
previous
slide,
we
said
eleven
hundred
and
fifty
five,
and
so
now
we're
at
thirty
one
hundred
and
sixty
five
units.
So
this
is
a
very
substantial
increase
over
the
previous
cycle.
G
G
G
And
this,
and
also
on
this
chart,
you
can
see
going
going
back
to
the
ami
that
we
mentioned
on
the
previous
slide.
You
can
see
how
our
arena
allocation
is
broken
up
by
ami,
so
we
have
the
very
low
low
moderate
and
then
these
are
the
market
rate
column
right
here
and
then
you
have
your
total.
G
G
We've
identified
another
752
units
within
the
tcp
area
that
we
think
can
be
developed
on
sites.
We
have
the
tanforan
area,
which
is
I'm
sure
you
guys
have
read
the
news.
Lately.
We,
a
new
buyer,
has
purchased
that
site
and
if
you're
familiar
with
the
envisioning
tanforan
document
the
city
put
out
and
has
on
the
website,
the
city
is
looking
at
a
minimum
of
a
thousand
units
at
that
site.
G
Then
we
have
single
family
area
and
infill,
and
that
includes
the
many
school
sites
that
we
have,
such
as
crestmoor
and
angville,
among
other
small
development
areas
and
so
we're
estimating
about
442
units
there
accessory
dwelling
units
or
adus
345,
and
this
is
based
again
over
the
next
eight
years-
and
this
is
based
upon
the
the
big
uptick
we've
had
in
adu
approvals
over
the
past
two
years.
Since
state
law
changed
and
then
we
have
the
bay
hill
specific
plan
at
415
units,
which
is
which
was
just
approved.
G
G
According
to
hcd
development
projects
that
have
either
been
approved,
issued
a
building
permit
or
received
their
certificate
of
occupancy.
Since
the
beginning
of
the
arena,
projection
period
may
be
credited
toward
meeting
the
arena
allocation
based
on
the
affordability
and
unit
count
of
the
development.
These
products
are
considered
pipeline
projects.
G
The
projection
period
is
the
time
period
for
which
the
regional
housing
need
is
calculated.
The
projection
period
for
the
sixth
cycle
is
june,
30th,
2022
to
december
31st
2030.,
identifying
which
projects
that
can
be
credited
towards
the
arena's
sixth
cycle.
Rina
is
important
in
determining
the
remaining
number
of
units
that
we
have
to
plan
for.
In
order
to
meet
our
total
arena.
G
According
to
this
methodology,
we
have
686
units,
and
so
what
you
see
here
is
a
breakdown
of
some
of
the
projects
that
have
come
before
you
over
the
past
few
years
and
more
recently,
271,
I
think,
was
approved
in
2021.
That
came
before
you
not
that
long
ago.
But
these
are
the
projects
that
you
see
that
aren't
built,
but
the
units
that
we've
entitled
or
approved.
G
G
Rezoning
would
include
the
allowance
for
proposed
housing
at
tanfran,
as
we
discussed
earlier
with
a
thousand
units
where
housing
is
not
currently
a
permitted
use.
So
so
right
now,
housing
is
not
permitted
on
the
tanfran
site,
and
one
thing
I
did
forget
to
mention
is
that
the
tanfran
site
to
do
housing
on
that
site
will
require
override
because
pursuant
to
the
alucp
for
the
san
francisco
international
airport,
housing
is
not
a
permitted
use
at
that
site,
and
so
this
app
kind
of
shows
you
how
we're
looking
at
distributing
the
units
throughout
the
city.
G
To
me
to
me
to
meet
our
arena
allocation
and
for
the
for
the
tanforan
site,
which
is
where
the
biggest
number
of
units
in
one
area
is
projected
to
be.
We
will
be
doing
a
master
planning
process
for
the
tan
fran,
and
that
will
start
in
the
coming
months.
G
In
addition
to
tan
fran,
some
other
notable
sites
include
invol,
crusmore
high
school
170
san
bruno,
which
is
one
of
the
vacant
lots
across
from
the
caltrain
station,
a
few
sites
within
bay
hill
840
san
bruno
avenue,
850
el
camino,
real,
which
is
the
vacant
lot,
where
the
hotel
used
to
be
750.
El
camino,
real,
which
I
believe
is
the
melody
toyota
site,
300
el
camino,
real
and
590
el
camino.
Real
density
for
these
sites
was
calculated
based
on
density
of
projects
already
approved
and
nearby.
G
But
more
conservatively
evaluating
the
current
site's
inventory
list
density
was
calculated
very
conservatively
with
tcp
sites
at
50
dwelling
units
per
acre,
real
world
densities.
In
many
cases,
as
staff
found
out.
After
doing
some
research
were
actually
50
to
100
percent
higher
than
what
staff
had
estimated
back
in
2015
when
they
were
calculating
potential
densities
for
that
site.
G
So
I'll
say
that
again,
so
what
they
did
in
2015
was
they
looked
at
all
the
tcp
sites
they
had
put
on
the
site's
inventory
list
and
they
just
calculated
them
all
at
a
base
50
to
all
units
per
acre,
but
in
actuality
such
sites.
That
came
forward
such
as
mills
park
and
111,
which
I
think
I
have
a
slide
later
on
to
kind
of
show
you
you
can
it
compares
you
can
kind
of
see
for
yourself
how
what
staff
estimated
and
what
we
actually
got
and
what
what
the
increase
was
and
here's
that
slide.
G
So
again,
so
did
some
research
and
you
can
see
here
that
in
our
pre
in
our
current
excuse
me,
as
you
say,
current
in
our
current
housing
element,
we
estimated
that
111
san
bruno,
for
instance,
get
32
dwelling
units
in
actuality.
It
got
approved
at
62
dwelling
units,
and
that
was
without
a
density
bonus
and
that
was
a
difference
of
49
and
then
we
have
mills
park.
It
was
estimated
at
195.
G
We
actually
got
the
427
and
then
so
forth,
and
so
on.
Some
of
these
numbers
get
a
little
bit
closer.
You
know
21
to
23..
This
is
the
the
skyline
college
project
at
3
300
college.
We
estimated
75,
we
got
70.,
so
that
was
one
of
the
few
that
actually
came
in
lower
and
then
we
have
170
san
bruno,
which
is
a
project
we're
currently
reviewing.
So
but
this
is
a
big
increase,
we
estimated
12
and
we're
getting
42.
G
so
so
clearly,
developers
are
finding
ways
to
get
more
housing
on
the
sites
than
even
we
anticipated
so
well
estimating
for
them
for
our
site's
inventory
now.
Is
that
we're
going
based
upon
what
developers
are
telling
us
and
we're
putting
those
numbers
in
instead
of
just
using
a
base
number
of
like
50
units
per
acre,
or
something
like
that?
G
G
The
large
portion
of
the
next
housing
element
update
will
focus
on
various
goals,
programs
and
policies
to
encourage
the
development
of
housing
and
ways
to
improve
access
to
housing
units.
The
next
housing
element
update
will
review
existing
programs
and
consider
additional
measures,
along
with
a
timetable
to
implement
these
policies.
G
A
summary
table
of
all
those
existing
goals
and
policies
is
attached
to
the
staff
report
as
attachment
number
three
for
reference
in
case
you're,
just
interested
in
seeing
what
kind
of
policies
were
to
were
developed
in
the
past,
and
you
probably
get
get
you
thinking
about
what
you'd
like
to
see
in
the
future
staff
is
working
with
21
elements
in
the
weeks
ahead
to
consider
new
goals
and
policies
to
incorporate
into
the
draft
housing
element.
G
In
fact,
I
think
we
have
a
meeting
tomorrow
so
prior
to
drafting
specific
new
goals
and
policies.
Staff
wanted
to
make
sure
that
the
commission
just
simply
saw
what
we
have
already
and
just
make
you
aware
of
the
requirement.
G
G
In
general,
san
reno's
higher
resource
neighborhoods
are
located
in
the
hills
on
the
west
side
of
the
city.
The
most
under
resourced
neighborhoods
in
san
bruno
are
located
east
of
el
camino
real
and,
as
I
said,
staff
is
currently
working
with
our
outside
consultant
to
work
on
those
policies
and
we'll
be
bringing
them
to
the
community
within
the
next
few
months.
G
Staff
will
also
be
including
new
implementation
policies
in
the
housing
element
update
for
the
city's
housing
trust
fund.
San
bruno
currently
has
a
balance
of
approximately
3.9
million
dollars
in
its
housing
trust
fund
and
is
anticipating
receiving
millions
more
as
a
result
of
the
youtube
project
that
was
approved
last
year,
which
included
a
development
agreement.
G
This
critical
mass
of
funds
represents
an
opportunity
for
the
city
to
the
to
deploy
the
resource.
The
resources
to
assist
the
community's
housing
needs
planning
staff
will
be
issuing
a
request
for
a
proposal
to
housing
consultants
in
2022
within
the
next
few
months
to
select
a
consultant
who
can
assist
staff
with
developing
a
program
for
the
use
of
those
housing
funds
policy
program.
Suggestions
currently
being
considered
by
staff
include
the
following.
G
G
There's
the
ones
that
fall
under
developing,
affordable
housing
by
providing
land
or
loans
for
affordable
housing,
there's
the
ones
that
fall
under
the
category
of
rehabilitation
and
preservation
of
existing,
affordable
homes
and
apartments,
housing,
assistance
which
comes
in
the
form
of
rental
assistance,
or
for
lower
income
residents
and
social
services
to
allow
people
to
stay
at
home,
such
as
transportation
and
home
care
and
other
special
services
for
people
with
special
needs.
So
this
is
an
area
that
again
we
we
have
the
money,
and
now
we
need.
G
You
know
we
need
some
assistance
for
how
we
can
better
use
that
money.
So
this,
especially
since
we're
expecting
more
so,
we
can
help
the
community
and
their
housing
needs.
G
G
G
And
going
back
to
the
whole
el
camino
thing,
so
you
know
that
in
spring
of
2021
the
city
did
approve
the
mixed-use
zoning
along
el
camino,
real
and
so
that
opened
up
housing
to
that
area
down
to
the
middlebury
border.
But
we
still
do
have
that
that
limitation
on
the
number
of
floors-
and
we
do
also
have
a
density
limit
there
as
well
to
date
the
only
project.
I
believe
that
we
have
in
that
general
area
of
the
city
for
housing
was
the
271
el
camino
real
in
in.
G
In
talking
to
developers,
staff
has
seen
that
there
is
a
desire
to
see
more
height
there
and
more
number
of
floors
to
make
to
make
them
residential
pencil.
G
Now
we're
going
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
public
outreach
that
we're
doing
as
part
of
the
housing
element
update
and
that
we
intend
to
do
so.
We
started
process
for
for
the
public
outreach,
and
this
is
the
e-part
portion
of
the
housing
element
update.
G
Eventually,
this
presentation
that
I'm
giving
to
you
now
will
probably
make
it
up
on
that
webpage
as
well.
It
has
lots
of
resources.
G
In
december
of
2021,
the
city
promoted
a
survey
directed
to
individuals
who
have
or
have
had
challenges,
affording
or
maintaining
housing,
and
we
are
expecting
to
get
the
results
from
that
survey
back
within
this
month
and
then,
between
the
september
and
november
of
2021.
201
elements
hosted
the
listening
sessions
between
jurisdiction,
south
and
stakeholder
organizations
focused
on
housing
issues.
G
The
meetings
introduce
staff
to
organizations
that
are
dealing
firsthand
with
trying
to
house
people,
and
then
staff
will
be
doing
more
public
engagement
activities
over
the
next
few
months.
To
supplement
the
outreach
that
I
discussed,
that
I've
already
discussed
that
we're
doing
through
our
consultants
and
we're
hoping
to
get
more
input
on
the
types
of
policies
programs,
the
community
needs
to
provide
housing
for
all
san
bruno
residents.
G
The
outreach
will
primarily
be
conducted
remotely
using
an
and
using
online
surveys
and
virtual
meetings,
but
staff
is
assessing
the
possibility
of
possibly
trying
to
do
engaged
stakeholders
in
person
with
a
pandemic.
A
loss.
G
So
on
the
sky,
now
is
the
schedule
that
we
put
together
for
the
housing
element.
You
can
see
we're
still
here
in
the
red
bar.
This
is
what
we
have
left
in
front
of
us,
which
is
pretty
much
the
year
of
the
rest
of
this
year,
and
we
need
to
get
it
to
hcd
right
here
at
the
end
on
this
red
bar
by
january,
31st
of
2023,
and
that's
that's
at
the
end.
G
We
actually
have
to
give
it
to
them
before
then,
so
that
they
can
review
it
and
take
a
few
months
and
then
provide
comments,
and
so
it
is
a
lengthy
process
when
we
are
expecting
to
get
comments.
They've
added
a
lot
of
new
requirements
to
the
housing
element.
This
year,
southern
california
and
the
san
diego
region
have
already
gone
through
this
process,
not
that
many
cities
were
able
to
get
their
housing
elements
adopted
first
time
around.
G
So
we
are,
you
know,
we're
in
it.
We're
trying
to
do
our
best
to
represent
the
city.
Do
good
work
make
sure
that
our
housing
element
is
top-notch
and.
G
Yeah,
so
that
kind
of
brings
me
towards
the
end:
does
anyone
have
any
questions
or
want
me
to
go
back
to
a
slide
before
I
turn
before
I
log
out
or
take
it
off
the
screen.
A
E
Just
a
question
of
interest
here,
when
you
talk
about
on
the
southern
end
of
el
camino,
consider
revisiting
the
site
limits.
You
know.
I
just
find
it
so
interesting
now
that
we
can
change
any
of
this,
but
on
the
on
the
east
side,
it's
san
bruno
all
the
way
down
to
santa
clara,
I
believe,
and
on
the
west
side
of
el
camino,
it's
melbrae
starting
from
from
sort
of
the
the
millbrae
furniture
place
it
used
to
be
there.
You
know
it's
just
really
it's
just
just
the
way
it
was.
E
You
know,
lay
of
the
land
way
back
in
the
time.
It's
the
way
it
is,
but
just
any
thought
to
any
discussion
around
that
is
there
anything
you
need
to
think
about
my
business.
My
building
is
right
on
sentai
nest,
which
is
right
on
the
order
line
of
milwaukee
san
bruno
and,
quite
frankly,
people
think
it's
mulberry,
because
the
the
melbourne
sign
starts
north
of
my
building,
but
it
really
is,
I
mean
san
bruno
continues
all
the
way
down
to
jose
jose's
little
shopping
strip.
Mall
can't
think
of
his
last
name.
Offhand.
G
E
G
So
so
I
think
what
you
were
talking
about
is
how
the
when
you're
on
el
camino
real
one
side
is
in
san
bruno
and
the
other
side,
and
in
millbrae
yeah
I
mean
we're.
G
We
do
talk
to
our
peers
in
the
bray
and
coordinate
with
them
on
on
what
we
were,
what
we
are
proposing
to
do
right
now,
as
far
as
looking
at
that
corridor
and
increasing
heights,
it's
not
something
that
we'll
be
necessarily
proposing
in
the
in
the
housing
element,
but
it's
something
that
can
be
looked
at
as
a
program
to
evaluate
in
the
eight
year
cycle
of
the
housing
element.
E
Right
because
I
mean
in
reality,
you're
talking
about
the
south
end
of
no
of
san
bruno
and
jason,
two
mobre,
my
goodness,
we
are
definitely
it's
not
even
like
there's
a
property
line.
It's
just
across
the
street
yeah.
It's
really
an
awkward
and
awkward
situation.
E
B
Yeah,
michael,
I
I
have
a
long
list
here.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that,
whatever
studies,
you
guys
are
doing
or
hiring
people
to
do
on
behalf
they're,
considering
these
things,
I'm
pretty
sure
they
are,
but
just
for
the
record,
I'm
assuming
the
population
is
going
to
go
up
quite
a
bit
once
all
these
things
get
built,
and
that
means
more
people
and
we
need
more
will
we
need
more
schools,
more
police
stations
and
an
upgrade
of
the
infrastructure
of
the
city
for
sewer
and
water.
B
Those
type
of
things
I
assume
there'll,
be
a
traffic
study
involved,
especially
I'm
always
weary
of
these
projects,
where
we're
going
to
put
a
ton
of
housing
and
no
car
parking.
It
sounds
great.
We
have
transportation
all
around,
but
people
want
to
still
want
to
have
a
car.
They
want
to
live
in
a
place
where
they
can't
park.
So
I'm
assuming
we're
going
to
be
seeing
a
lot
of
proposals
where
there's
very
little
parking
relative
to
the
number
of
units.
B
I
think
the
height
limit
is
something
citywide.
That
would
obviously
need
to
be
revisited.
I
think
you
mentioned
it
several
times,
but
we
need
to
balance
that
you
know.
No
one
wants
a
bunch
of
shadows,
we
get
that,
but
we
also
want
to
try
and
maintain
some
or
create
open
space
as
well,
and
you
know
the
only
and
the
pencil
these
projects
out
financially.
B
So
I
think
that's
something
that
definitely
needs
to
get
looked
at.
I
also
have
a
question
about
you
know.
Are
we
looking
to
maximize.
B
Properties
that
can
be
purchased
versus
rentals,
or
are
there
any
rules
to
that
ratio,
or
are
we
going
to
let
these
developers
just
build
huge
structures
with
tons
of
studio
apartments
in
them?
Is
there
any
kind
of
you
know,
rules
for
that
that
we
need
to
you
know,
put
in
there
and
then
and
then
just
the
last
one
is
again
going
back
to
population.
Is
how
many
children
do
we
expect
to
occupy
these
new
places
again,
because
you
know
schools,
you
know
I
think,
we've
closed
some
schools
recently.
B
Will
we
need
to
find
new
locations
or
reopen
them?
I
think
we
might
be
selling
off
or
the
district
may
be
selling
off
of
those
school
properties
and
we
build
all
these
place
all
these
homes,
and
then
we
have
more
kids
and
where
will
they
go
to
school?
So
I'm
not
sure
if
the
study
can
get
that
precise
to
predict
how
many
adults
versus
kids
would
be
moving
into
san
bruno,
but
that's
kind
of
just
my
laundry
list.
There.
G
Yeah
yeah
there's
there's
a
lot
there,
so
let
me
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
schools
aspect
of
it.
So
for
for
every
project
we
do
coordinate
with
schools.
You
know
we're
required
by
law,
I
believe
to
send
them
our
tentative
maps,
and
that
gives
them
a
an
idea
of
what
is
being
proposed
as
far
as
housing,
development
in
the
city
and-
and
that
happens
regardless
of
housing
element
or
not.
Now
we
don't
necessarily
meet
with
school
district
staff
to
discuss
that
unless
they
ask
us
to.
G
You
know
that
they
want
me
with
us,
but
we
do
get.
We
do
give
them
the
information
and
then
their
people
evaluate
it,
and
then
they
evaluate
their
their
infrastructure
needs
on
their
end
to
kind
of
address
that
so
so
that's
one.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
you
knew
that
that
that
was
happening
and
that
that
there
is
that
internal
coordination
staff
doesn't
have
control
over
the
process,
but
but
the
flow
of
information
is
there.
G
Let
me
see
that
the
height
limit,
so
we're
not
we're
not
proposing
any
zoning
changes
at
this
time
with
that
with
the
housing
element,
with
the
exception
of
the
and
fran
and
possibly
some
other
areas.
That
might
be.
Let
me
see
north
of
380..
So
most
of
what
you
see
kind
of
in
the
tcp
area
is
you
know
it's
a
great
plan.
G
We
already
have
the
height
limits
we
need,
and
so
now
we're
just
waiting
and
working
with
developers
on
getting
those
projects
through
the
process
and
so
we're
leaning
on
the
tcp
quite
a
bit
for
for
more
housing
and
then
there's
like
the
little
pockets
here
and
there
within
the
hills,
such
as
the
crestmoor
school
site
and
the
engball
school
site.
G
Those
are
already
you
know,
those
are
those
are
r1
and
so
they're
going
to
be
developed
at
eight
units
per
acre,
and
so
there's
really
no
no
up
to
eight
units
per
acre.
I
should
say
so:
there's
really
no,
no
change
in
those
places
other
than
the
use
would
turn
over
and
be
and
be
housing.
G
Remind
me
of
some
some
of
your
other
questions.
You
had.
B
Yeah,
just
assuming
the
studies
will
take
into
consideration.
You
know
our
your.
We
are
talking
about
schools,
but
you
know
fire
stations,
police
stations,
infrastructure
and
traffic.
B
B
B
I
don't
know
if
that's
a
trend,
that's
been
happening,
things
get
built
and
then
they
don't
get
occupied
right
away
because
the
cost
is
still
too
high
or
there's
some
other
issue
with
okay.
My
kids
got
to
walk
45
minutes
to
a
school
because
there's
another
school
nearby,
this
new
thing
we've
just
developed.
All
those
kind
of
things
are
kind
of
what
I'm
worried
about.
G
I
see
yeah
I
so
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
transportation
aspect
over
the
traffic.
We
are
doing
an
environmental
analysis,
we're
starting
off
with
an
initial
study,
and
there
will
be
studies
to
see
if
we
have
the
sewer
capacity
and
water
capacity
and
they
will
be
analyzing
the
traffic
as
well
as
that.
G
That
is
something
that
is
happening
in
kind
of
in
the
background
of
what
staff
is
doing
on
the
front
end
and
we're
providing
that
information
to
our
environmental
consultants
to
make
sure
that
that
is
being
analyzed
and
along
with
that
is
the
other
services
that
we
need,
which
would
include
the
police
and
fire
as
well,
so
that
that
would
be
included
in
the
in
the
environmental
document.
G
The
parking
we're
not
proposing
any
parking
changes
at
this
time
I
mean
things
are
still
in
flux
and
if
that's
the
direction
we
receive,
you
know
that
is
something
we
will
definitely
take
a
look
at,
but
at
the
state
level,
what
we're
noticing
is
that
projects
are
coming
in
for
review
and
they're
using
state
level
policies
to
provide
less
parking,
especially
if
they're
within
the
tcp
area,
because
most
of
that
is
within
a
half
mile
of
the
caltrain
station
or
the
or
the
bart
station,
and
so
those
projects
are
coming
in
with
less
parking.
G
B
G
You
know
I
who
who
say
I
don't
I
don't
know
what
exactly
will
come
from
the
tan
fran.
You
know
you
know
specific
planning,
process
or
master
planning
process.
G
I
I'm
assuming
that's
that's
going
to
be
its
own
thing,
that
kind
of
happening
to
the
side,
and
so
I
think
those
are
some
of
the
things
that
they'll
they'll
look
at
and
think
about
as
they're
as
they're
developing
those
rules
for
how
that
site
is
going
to
be
developed,
but
the
housing
element
is
probably
up
a
few
levels
from
there
and
so
it's
more
of
a
high
level
policy
document.
It's
not
going
to
get
down
into
those
those
details
about
how
sites
are
specifically
developed
in
that
nature.
E
It
prompted
some
questions,
as
commissioner
madden
was
speaking.
You
know
that
I'm
certain
these
studies
will
take
into
consideration
so
many
expansions
of
thinking
here,
but
but
the
millennials
and
the
and
gen
z
are
very
different
thinkers.
You
know
they
are
they're
really
much
more
tuned
into
food,
ecology
and
rights,
and
I
mean
just
many
many
new
ways
of
thinking
and
transportation
is
not
a
priority
for
them.
E
It's
interesting
and
parents
in
today's
world
are
not
letting
their
children
walk
to
school,
and
so
it's
just
even
just
thinking
of
of
traffic
flow
and
more
parents
will
be.
You
know,
they're
already
driving
they're
already
in
I've,
never
seen
that
for
the
last
10
15
years,
quite
honestly,
and
and
it
will
be
even
more
so
in
future-
so
it's
just
fine.
I
find
it
so
interesting
to
think
about
the
planning
stages.
What
needs
to
be
thought
behind
the
scenes
to
make
to
bring
all
these
kind
of
pieces
together.
E
A
Here
you
have
any
other
hands,
or
I
have
my
own
set
of
considerations,
comments.
G
Will
we
need
the
will,
you
want
any
slides
from
the
slideshow.
A
Yeah
there
was,
there
was
if
you
go
back,
there
was
a
particular
slide
and
I
think
this
is
just
a
typo.
It's
basically,
I
think
it's
a
minor
issue.
I
don't
have
the
number
of
the
slide,
but
there
was
the
the
buffer.
Basically
I
know
my
recollection
is
that
we
presented
a
10
buffer
at
council
and
council
said.
Maybe
we
should
bump
that
up
to
15,
which
is
more
in
line
with
the
the
hcd
guidance,
and
it
looks
like
that
was
done,
which
I
really
appreciate,
because
I
shared
council's
thoughts
on
that.
A
A
D
A
So
that's
fine,
then
okay,
I
just
want
to
make
sure
I
understood
what
happened
there,
glad
to
know
that
we
are
definitely
looking
at
the
alucp.
I
really
like.
A
You
know
we
have
the
template
now
from
the
newer
project
in
south
san
francisco,
and
I
it
is
actually
sort
of
puzzling
to
me
that
we
aren't
looking
at
simply
saying
how
about
you
know.
South
san
francisco
and
san
bruno
get
together
and
go
to
the
airport,
lands
commission
and
say
how
about
we
just
make
that
the
rule,
rather
than
seeking
an
exception
or
an
override
in
each
individual
case
that
the
you
know,
the
the
zoning
has
been
that
you
essentially
couldn't
add
housing
at
all.
A
Whatever
the
rules
are
in
terms
of,
you
must
build
the
certain
noise
standards
and
blah
blah,
but,
like
you,
can't
sue
the
airport
over
noise
like
it's,
you
know,
like
you,
caveat
emptor
right
and
it
does
seem
like,
rather
than
making
an
exception
property
by
property,
that
we
should
just
make
that
the
new
rule
for
everything.
G
Yeah,
we've
definitely
had
those
conversations
internally.
I
I
hear
what
you're
saying
and
I
think
that's
a
great
idea.
I
know
that
we
are
coordinated
with
our
counterparts
in
south
city
on
a
similar
but
similar
thing
related
to
the
airport,
but
it
would
guess
it
would.
If
we
simply
did
that
city-wide,
it
would
open
up
housing
and
even
say
the
the
parking
lot
for
caltrain
and
some
of
those
properties
around
there,
which
are
kind
of
encumbered
by
this
as
well.
A
And
there's
I
know
the
east,
the
east
side
of
my
own
neighborhood
of
bel
air
and
kind
of
just
along
just
north
of
380
as
well.
There's
areas
that
you
could
potentially
talk
about.
I
mean
they're
not
going
to
be,
I
think,
considered
right
now,
but
so
yeah,
it
just
seems
like
as
a
long-term
thing,
even
looking
after
the
next
arena
cycle.
Like
that,
you
know
like
this,
is
it's
just
kind
of
a
you
know
our
current
rule
is
by
default.
You
can't
do
it
at
all
and
it's
like
well.
A
A
I
really,
I
really
hope,
we'll
see
that
moving
forwards.
Let's
see,
I
have
several
notes
regarding
the
height
limits.
A
I
definitely
think
I
mean
I
think
it
just
was
an
unfortunate
oversight
when
we
did
the
ballot
initiative
to
raise
our
height
limits
along
the
tcp
area
that
we
didn't
include
the
southern
el
camino
I
mean
it
just
seems
like
that
seems
like
an
obvious
thing
to
go
back
to
the
voters
and
if
we're
gonna
go
back
to
the
voters,
raise
that
we
might
as
well
include
some
other
areas,
and
I
hope
there
are
considerations
around
what
that
might
be
like.
A
I
know
if
you
know
we
have
this
housing
in
the
eastern
part
of
bay
hill.
That's
expected.
A
A
I
guess
I
don't
know
whether
I
obviously
like
I
guess
I'm
recruit
recused
on
bail
issues
not
allowed
to
vote
on
anything
because
I
am
married
to
a
googler,
always
the
full
disclosure,
but
it
does
seem
like
an
area
where
you
know
like
we
could
expand
that
exemption
from
the
height
limits
deeper
into
bay
hill.
So
and
you
could
roll
that
into
a
initiative
for
dealing
with
the
south
end
of
el
camino,
so
I
hope
we're
looking
at
more
opportunities.
A
A
That
seems
like
real
opportunity
area
and
it
you
know
once
it's
committed
as
a
three-story
thing
like
it's
going
to
sit
there
for
30
years,
and
so
it
seems
like
we
should
be.
You
know,
thinking
about
being
more
aggressive
with
that.
Do
you
know
offhand
how
many
acres
tanforan
is.
A
A
A
That
is
well
provisioned
with
parking,
and
you
know
I
before
I
moved
to
san
bruno,
I
commuted
through
san
bruno.
I
was
I
was
coming
up
so
a
lot
of
days.
I
was
driving
from
mountain
view
to
san
bruno
in
order
to
take
the
right
there,
because
the
millbrae
station,
of
course,
milibrae
loves
to
boast
about
how
they're
this
transit
hub,
but
because
of
the
way
the
bus
splits
san
bruno
has
twice
as
many
trains.
A
And
so,
if
you
are
a
commuter,
it's
a
lot
more
attractive
and
yeah
yeah.
It
just
seems
like
I
mean
there,
definitely
there's
an
advantage
of
putting
jobs
directly
adjacent
to
transit
as
well.
So
don't
get
me
wrong
on
that,
but
in
terms
of
our
ongoing,
you
know
our
own
jobs,
housing
balance,
which
is
going
to
be
brought
closer
to
the
average
for
the
region
by
bay
hill.
A
You
know
we
had
historically
been
more
of
a
residential
community,
a
better
balance
than
some
of
the
other
cities,
but
that's
really
going
to
be
the
case
so
much
after
bay
hill
is
built
out,
and
I
think
we
really
want
to
avoid
aggravating
that
and
that
we
want
to
make
sure
that
any
office
that's
added
is
at
least
fully
offset
by
additional
housing,
if
not
more
given
the
overall
deficit
for
the
region.
A
That's
why
I
really
hope
that
I
know
you've
said
like
the
thousand
is
a
minimum
and
you
know
if
we
saw
the
kind
of
you
know,
50
more,
that
we
saw
on
some
of
the
other
projects
like
that
would
be
fantastic
and
it
just
seems
like
a
thousand
is
a
low
number
of
du
per
acre.
I
mean
it's
not
even
the
mullen
density
right,
mall
intensity
is
30.
B
G
D
B
Yeah
through
the
chair,
so
I
think
what
we
need
to
remember
with
tamron
of
the
folks
that
bought
it,
the
alexandria
folks,
you
know
they're
they're
they're,
you
know
developers
of
life,
science,
campuses
and
so
what
what
we
anticipate
happening
is
you
know
they're
going
to
carve
out
us
probably
a
site
for
housing,
and
it
will
be
pretty
high
density.
B
You
know,
because
the
units
won't
lobby
spread
out
over
the
entire
campus,
so
you
know
we're
just
waiting
to
see
where
we,
the
reason
we
kept
it
with
a
thousand
is
that
was
consistent
with
what
the
re-envisioning
tamphran
literature
that
we
put
out.
So
you
know
again
we're
hopeful
that
they'll,
you
know,
provide
some
more,
but
you
know
it'll
be
up
to
them.
B
They
have
committed
to
providing
the
thousand
one
thousand
units
and
we
don't
know
how
that's
going
to
be
configured,
but
we
do
anticipate
it
would
be
a
higher
density
type
pro
product,
probably
closer
to
the
bart
park
station
than
any
kind
of
you
know,
pedestrian
or
plaza
or
mixed
use
area
that
they
create.
A
Perhaps
a
little
bit
of
retail
and
restaurants
or
other
amenities
there
by
the
bar
station.
So
again
we're
just
waiting
to
see
what
the
plans
are
going
to
look
like
yeah,
I
mean,
I
think
anything
that
we
can
do
to
encourage
them
to
say
is
10
I'm
trying
over
is
10
4
in
itself
already
exempted
from
the
three
story.
A
Yeah,
I
thought
so,
but
I
was
just
it
was
it's.
I
don't
have
the
map
in
front
of
me
so
yeah,
so
I
mean,
if
they're
looking
at
doing
at
least
five
and
potentially
taking
advantage
of
bonuses
to
bring
that
up
to
seven
or
something
then
that
you
can
like
you
just
you
know.
I
mean
like
I,
I
like
pan,
four
and
mall
don't
get
me
wrong.
A
I've
shopped
there
and
gone
to
the
movies
there
for
years,
and
but
I
think
that
you
know
it
has
these
vast
just
open
pavement
parking
lots
which
are
just
you
know,
99
of
the
time
like
largely
empty,
and
it
seems
like
that
site.
A
Has
so
much
potential?
You
know
the
city
overall
is
so
well
positioned
in
the
peninsula
to
be
like
20
to
25
minutes
from
everything
in
the
entire
region,
and
we
should
be.
We
should
be
making
better
use
of
the
land
yeah.
A
So
I
I
know
I've
talked
with
michael
about
michael
laughlin
about
this
a
little
bit.
I
have
concerns
around
the
fact
that
there
doesn't
seem
like
we
have
formally
stated
our
case
that
we
have
the
100
probability
development
on
some
of
these,
but
there
is
a
a
principle
from
hcd
around
discounting
your
inventory
by
this
probability
of
development.
A
I
think
it
seems
like
we
have
a
very
clear
case
for
certainly
the
pipeline
projects
that
those
are
essentially
100
they're,
going
to
be
there
they're
baked
in
they're,
going
to
get
done
one
way
or
another,
but
then
some
of
these
other
areas,
like
the
single
family
area,
infill
ones,
I'm
not
clear
that
those
are
as
certain
that
the
infill
parcels
that
are
under
consideration.
A
Whether
those
will
come
up
to
be
questioned
by
hcd
if
they
might
be
need
to
be
considered
for
discounting
the
adus,
I
think
were
discussed
at
council
and
that's
great
I
mean
I
we
we've
been
doing.
I
really
appreciate
the
best
work
on
getting
our
our
adu
rules,
streamlined
and
and
we're
you
know
we're
doing
really
well
producing
that,
and
so
I
think
we
have
a
strong
case
for
that
component
of
our
inventory.
A
Coming
to
some
of
the
concerns
that
commissioner
madden
raised,
I
mean,
I
think
you
know
like
we,
we
had
gosh
when
I
started
coming
to
council
meetings
after
I
moved
into
the
area.
I
mean
this.
The
work
that's
been
ongoing
for
updating
our
storm
drains
and
and
water
lines
and
sewer
lines.
It
looks
to
me
like
we
are,
if
anything
over
provisioned
relative
to
this
prospective
growth
in
terms
of
our
utility
capacity.
Like
I
mean,
obviously,
the
investments
that
we
have
planned
have
to
keep
happening,
but
we
have
planned
for
a
robust
system.
A
It
seems
to
me,
and-
and
I
I
would
say
in
regard
to
the
the
school
concerns
god
grant
us-
that
we
should
actually
need
to
reopen
some
schools.
A
I
mean,
I
know
so
many
people
whose
children
have
left
the
area
and
the
really
like
the
instigating
factor
in
my
getting
involved
in
in
caring
about
land
use
at
more
than
an
academic
level,
was
having
one
of
my
best
friends
leave
the
area
because
she
couldn't
see
raising
a
kid,
and
so
I
really
if
we,
if
we
become
a
welcoming
enough
town,
that
families
with
children
would
like
to
live
here.
That
would
be
a
good
thing
so,
and
you
know
she's
now
in
salt
lake
raising
her
daughter.
So
you
know.
A
You
know,
eighth
of
an
acre
style
at
the
smallest
single-family
homes,
picking
up
the
entire
thing
and
consuming
the
playing
fields,
but
it
it
does
seem
like
it
is
not
outside
the
power
of
the
city
council
to
rezone
that
to
allow
for
bungalow
courts
or
townhouses
or
whatever
it
is.
That
allows
you
to
get
the
same
number
of
units
and
potentially
even
more
units,
and
you
know
you
sell
them
for
a
little
less
per
unit
for
the
same
amount
of
money
total
and
the
developer
thing
is
pencil
for
them.
B
Comment
on
that,
the
summerhill
homes
is
probably
going
to
be
presenting
a
proposal
to
the
city
very
soon
for
housing
on
the
site,
with
with
a
plan
to
you,
know,
still
provide
feels
there
so
and
I
think
just
getting
back
to
your
kind
of
larger
questions.
B
So,
on
the
you
know,
in
terms
of
the
probability
of
the
sites
being
developed,
we
the
the
amount
of
the
number
of
inquiries
or
preliminary
plans
they're
in
process
now,
both
both
within
the
tcp
area
and
then,
of
course,
we
have
the
ingpal
prop
the
school
site,
which
you
know
they
actually
have
an
official
application
in
with
an
application
coming
in
for
crestmore.
B
You
know
these.
These
are
very
solid.
You
know
the
probability
is
extremely
solid
for
the
sites
that
we
have,
that
we
are
laying
out,
and
so
we
we've
met
with
21
elements.
D
B
And,
and
through
the
chair,
I
just
also
wanted
to
remind
you
at
some
point.
We
will
want
to.
A
Open
it
up
to
the
public
to
see
if
there's
any
anyone
that
wishes
to
also
speak
on
this
item.
I
think
I
was
just
like
glancing
back
at
mine.
I
think
that's
all
I
I
have
were
there
any
other
hands
either
just
for
general
questions
before
we
go
to
public
comment
or
specific
slides.
C
A
All
right
do
we
have
a
motion
to
close
the
public
hearing
through
the
chair?
Almost
oh,
I
guess
do
we
have
any
action
today.
So
do
we
need
to
close
the
hearing
it
is.
It
is
good
that
you
go
ahead
and
make
a
motion
to
close
a
public
comment.
Okay,
all
right,
sorry
go
ahead.
Rick.
C
B
Yeah
there
so
two
two
items
just
first
looking
for
volunteers
of
the
march
10th
architecture,
review
committee.
B
Yeah,
it
would
be
helpful
if
I
could.
I
can
do
it
as
well.
Okay,
thank
you,
val
all
right,
very
good
and
then
the
other
item
was
this
afternoon.
I
did
send
an
email
regarding
a
conference
for
planning
commissioners
that's
being
held
in
san
ramon.
If
anyone
is
it
is,
you
know
a
bit
of
a
time
commitment
and
it
is
unfortunately
short
notice.
We
just
found
out
about
it
that
it's
in
it's
in
march,
but
if
you
are
interested
in
attending
attending
that,
please
let
us
know.
A
And
we
can
register
for
you,
I
I
will
say
I
went
to
a
kind
of
educational
conference
up
at
sonoma
state
before
the
pandemic,
and
I
found
it
really
interesting.
A
A
Items
doesn't
look
like
it,
no,
okay,
all
right,
then
we
are
up
to
our
adjournment.
The
time
is
10
19
p.m.
Our
rec's
next
regular
meeting,
not
rex
negler,
will
be
held
on
march
15th
2022
at
7
pm.
Hopefully
we
can
get
through
those
continued
items
reasonably
quickly
and
the
public
will
cooperate
with
not
saying
the
same
thing
all
over
again
and
I
will
see
all
of
you
next
month.