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San Bruno City Council Meeting February 26, 2013
10b. Local Measures to Reduce the Risk of Gun Violence
A
B
I'll
have
about
a
10-minute
presentation
with
Neil
telford,
our
chief
of
police,
here
also
available
to
answer
questions
and
the
first
question
that
the
city
staff
asked
itself
was:
is
there
anything
a
city
can
do
to
reduce
gun
violence,
and
this
topic
came
up
certainly
by
the
tragic
murder
at
the
Sandy
Hook
elementary
school.
Although
that
was
not
the
first
time
there
was
a
tragedy
involving
gun
violence.
B
There
were
certainly
other
occasions
before
that,
we're
all
very
aware
of,
and
so
we
had
a
number
of
individuals
and
government
leaders,
Jackie
Speier,
Dianne,
Feinstein,
City
and
County
of
San
Francisco
approached
the
city
and
say:
can
anything
be
done
and
if
so,
what
can
the
city
do?
And
is
it
possible
for
the
city
to
make
a
difference?
So
that's
the
question
that
we're
going
to
post
you
tonight
and
hopefully
make
some
progress
into
getting
some
answers.
B
So
there's
really
three
things
that
cities
can
do
and
we're
going
to
talk
about
all
three
of
those
tonight.
One
of
them
is
to
support
ongoing
federal
efforts,
whatever
those
are
and
we'll
talk
about
those
in
a
minute.
The
second
thing
is
to
support
ongoing
state
efforts
and
the
third.
It
is
to
adopt
local
measures
and
we'll
spend
a
few
minutes
talking
about
the
first
two
and
most
of
the
rest
of
the
time.
Talking
about
the
last
topic.
B
So,
what's
going
on
at
the
federal
level,
and
primarily
it's
President
Obama's,
very
detailed
plan,
which
we've
included
a
summary
of
in
the
staff
packet
and
what
it
essentially
does
is
calls
for
two
sets
of
actions.
One
set
that
Congress
would
have
to
take
another
set
that
could
be
done
by
executive
order,
but
in
essence
it's
universal
background
checks,
a
support
for
senator
Feinstein's
renewal
of
the
assault
weapon
ban,
a
limit
on
the
number
of
bullets
that
you
can
have
in
ammunition:
magazines,
stronger
prosecution
for
for
gun
crimes
of
some
more
research.
B
On
gun
violence
because
that's
been
stalled
recently
over
the
years
and
then
possibly
some
additional
funding
through
the
cops
program
for
cities,
although
it's
not
clear
exactly
whether
the
city
of
San
Bruno
would
get
anything
or
if
so,
how
much
it's
important
to
know
that
President
Obama's
plan
was
supported
by
a
broad
coalition
of
Mayors
throughout
the
country.
So
that's
in
essence,
what's
going
on
at
the
federal
level
and
at
the
end
of
the
presentation,
I'll
ask
you
if
the
City
Council
is
interested
in
adopting
a
resolution
to
support
that
plan.
B
The
next
question
is:
what
can
the
city
do
with
respect
to
supporting
state
efforts,
so
we've
got
a
total
of
eleven
bills
pending
right
now.
Actually
those
are
just
the
ones
that
were
introduced
since
the
beginning
of
the
year.
I
think
there
might
have
been
even
a
couple
more
introduced
in
in
december
of
last
year.
Most
of
those
bills
as
you've
seen
in
the
staff
report,
are
going
to
further
strengthen
existing
regulations,
but
those
could
be
anything
from
requiring
additional
reporting
of
ammunition
to
some
additional
funding
for
security
guards
at
schools.
B
So
we
don't
really
know
how
these
bills
are
going
to
shake
out,
and
we
don't
know
what
positions
cities
or
the
League
of
Cities
is
going
to
take
on
them.
So
at
the
end
of
the
presentation
will
be
requesting
that
you
direct
us
to
monitor
those
bills
and
report
back
to
you
if
there's
anything
of
interest,
so
we
want
to
do
for
the
next
couple
of
minutes.
B
Thanks,
it's
important
to
note
that
there's
a
sections
of
state
law
that
limit
to
some
degree
what
cities
can
do
and
that's
primarily
in
the
area
of
gun,
licensing
and
registration,
and
so
there
are
state
laws
that
say
it's
the
state
that
decides
those
issues
and
cities
can't
do
much
about
them.
However,
cities
can
do
a
number
of
things,
and
so
that's
what
we're
going
to
talk
about
this
evening.
B
So
we're
going
to
just
take
a
minute
and
look
at
each
one
of
these
for
possible
measures
and
the
first
one
is
additional
regulation
of
ammunition,
and
this
is
the
San
Francisco
ordinance
that
all
of
you
I,
think
received
a
letter
from
Mayor
Lee
in
San
Francisco,
saying
that
they
in
San
Francisco
are
going
to
recommend
an
ordinance
that
does
two
things.
First
of
all,
it
would
ban
the
sale
and
possession
of
hollow-point
ammunition
and
second,
it
would
require
dealers
who
sell
more
than
500
rounds
at
one
time
to
report
that
to
the
police
department.
B
Well,
why
would
why
would
we
want
to
consider
those
things?
Well,
the
hollow
point
ammunition
is
defined
in
state
law
as
having
quote
enhanced,
lethality
I.
Don't
think
I've
ever
heard
that
that
last
word
before,
but
I
think
that
means
they're
really
deadly
and
only
intended
to
kill
people.
So
in
the
Penal
Code,
it's
been
found
that
those
kinds
of
bullets
really
don't
have
any
legitimate
purpose
for
either
sport
or
self-protection.
B
And
so
that's
the
reason
why
they're
recommending
that
those
kinds
of
ammunition
be
banned
and
then,
second
of
all,
why
would
anybody
care
if
somebody
purchases
500
rounds
of
ammunition
at
one
time
and
I
think
the
answer?
There
is
perhaps
a
little
bit
more
obvious,
there's
no
apparent
sporting
or
home
protection
purpose
as
to
why
you
would
need
500
rounds
of
ammunition.
So
it's
the
the
possibility
that
it
would
potentially
reduce
the
risk
of
gun
violence
in
the
future
if
the
police
department
knew
of
those
kinds
of
purchases.
B
So
the
second
thing
that
cities
can
do
in
a
number
of
cities
have
such
systems
Palo,
Alto,
Lafayette
to
name
a
couple
of
examples-
is
to
have
a
permanent
system
for
gun
dealers,
and
this
would
apply
only
to
dealers
not
to
any
individuals
who
seek
to
purchase
weapons.
The
goal
is
to
ensure
that
everybody
who's
involved
in
the
sale
or
transfer
of
firearms
are
in
essence,
responsible
citizens.
So
what
can
we?
B
What
can
we
do
about
that
and,
first
of
all,
we
can
have
an
application
and
background
check
a
lot
of
that's
already
taken
care
of,
by
the
background
check,
if
you're
going
to
be
a
federally
licensed
dealer.
But
more
to
the
point,
we
want
to
make
sure
and
have
the
ability
to
say
that
those
businesses
have
to
have
appropriate
security.
Some
of
them
do
that
they
store
guns
and
ammunition
safely,
so
people
can't
get
to
them
unless
they're
intending
to
there's
a
requirement
in
some
systems
that
the
business
have
liability
insurance.
B
Actually,
that's
not
all
that
uncommon.
In
case
of
accidents,
most
businesses
have
liability.
Insurance
most
are
mandated
by
a
lease,
for
example,
if
you
that
you
have
with
the
landlord.
So
that's
not
an
unusual
requirement
and
we
would
also
propose
that
if
there
is
such
a
system
that
there
would
be
a
hearing
available
to
the
owner
of
the
of
the
establishment
if
a
permit
were
denied
or
revoked
and
that's
to
make
sure
that
the
city
can
correct
any
mistake
it
might
make
in
the
in
the
process.
B
So
the
proposal
here
is
that
the
permit
system
would
apply
to
existing
dealers
as
well.
We
only
have
two
of
them
we'll
talk
about
that
in
a
minute,
but
with
a
bit
of
a
grace
period,
which
would
end
up
being
anywhere
between
60
and
120
days.
60
days
is
kind
of
the
norm.
Usually
it
takes
another
60
days
to
get
an
ordinance
passed.
So
by
the
time
it
would
happen
is
saying
in
essence
our
dealers,
their
existing
now
would
have
you
know
three
four
months
in
order
to
apply
and
go
through
the
checks.
B
So
that's
what
what's
being
recommended
for
gun
dealers.
There
is
one
provision
in
some
of
the
cities
in
their
municipal
codes
that
say
that
people
who
have
their
firearms,
that
they
lose
them
or,
if
they're
stolen,
that
they
should
report
that
to
the
police
and
that's
actually
an
important
thing,
because
one
of
the
things
we
hear
a
lot
is
that
a
lot
of
gun
violence
is
a
result
of
weapons
that
are
illegal.
Well,
if
you've
stolen
a
weapon,
you're
not
authorized
to
have
it.
B
So
that's
the
sort
of
thing
that
we'd
want
the
police
department
to
know
about
and
be
able
to
follow
up
on.
So
that's
the
the
second
thing
that
we're
proposing
as
far
as
reducing
the
potential
risk
of
gun
violence.
The
third
thing
is
for
the
city
to
consider
using
its
constitutional
zoning
powers
to
regulate
uses
and
where
these
businesses
are
and
and
so
any
zoning
ordinance
change
would
require,
review
and
recommendation
by
the
Planning
Commission.
So
what
would
what
would
that
involve?
B
Well
right
now,
under
our
current
code
gun
dealers
are
actually
allowed
only
in
the
central
business
district
zone
and
that's
kind
of
the
core
san
mateo
avenue
zone.
Frankly,
a
bit
of
an
unusual
place
that
you
know
you'd
want
to
have
gun
dealers,
but
that's
what
it
says
are
two
existing
dealers
that
we
have,
which
is
big.
B
Five
and
golden
gate
guns,
are
actually
located
on
el
camino,
so
they're,
not
in
the
CBD
zone
there
in
the
seas
own,
so
that
makes
them
legal
non-conforming
uses,
and
what
that
means
is
any
change
to
zoning
wouldn't
apply
to
them.
It
would
only
apply
to
new
establishment
seeking
to
come
in
so
here
a
couple
of
alternatives
that
we're
going
to
ask
for
some
direction
on
one
possibility
is
you
could
direct
staff
to
prepare
an
ordinance
that
would
prohibit
any
new
dealers
and
you'd
have
to
make
some
findings
about
that?
B
You'd
have
to
say
that
well,
the
two
we
have
are
sufficient.
They
have
secondary
effects.
We
don't
really
want
any
more,
and
that
would
probably
require
some
further
study
from
from
staff
before
we
could
bring
that
forward.
Another
possibility
is,
you
could
enact
a
moratorium
on
new
dealers
so
that
you
wouldn't
have
the
risk
of
any
new
ones
coming
in
absent,
further
study.
So
that's
a
possibility
or
staff
could
explore
limiting
new
dealers
to
a
particular
zoning
district.
B
B
The
last
thing
we
could
do
is
have
some
voluntary
programs
and
you've
heard
about
these.
In
the
media
locally,
there
has
been
some
gun,
buyback
programs
run
by
both
cities
and
the
county.
This
was
one
of
the
efforts
that
congresswoman
Speier
was
was
interested
in.
These
programs
seem
very
well
used
based
on
media
reports,
but
funding
is
an
issue,
in
fact,
because
they
appear
to
be
very
well
used.
So
if
we
look
at
that,
we
need
to
come
back
to
you
with
with
some
financial
information.
B
Finally,
as
Neil
can
tell
you
much
more
about
if
you're,
if
you're
interested,
the
police
department
does
currently
work
very
extensively
with
schools
and
is
going
to
continue
those
efforts,
both
with
respect
to
emergency
preparedness
and,
most
importantly,
to
collaborate
with
with
people
call
school
safety
advocates
and
that's
a
program.
That's
designed
to
identify
youth,
that's
particularly
at
risk,
and
so,
if
we
can,
we
can
figure
out
a
way
to
prevent
gun
violence
from
starting
in
the
first
place.
B
B
Would
you
like
us
to
draft
any
amendments
to
the
zoning
ordinance
and
if
so,
can
you
give
us
some
direction
about
those
things
and
are
you
interested
in
having
us
look
further
at
some
of
the
voluntary
programs,
like
the
gun,
buyback
and
those
sorts
of
things?
So
that's
when
we'd
like
some
direction
about
this
evening,
and
that
concludes
my
presentation
and
I'd
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions
and
our
chief
of
police,
Neil.
Telford
is
also
here
to
answer
questions
to
thank.
C
The
education
community,
the
emergency
response
services
in
san
mateo
county
are
all
meeting
in
april
for
a
school
safety
summit
to
get
together
to
to
share
ideas
and
to
make
sure
that
we're
all
in
the
same
page.
So
we
did
want
to
make
you
aware
that
we
are
working
with
our
schools
to
make
a
safe
singer
in
the
community.
Thank.
A
A
I'm
getting
really
tired
and
the
people
of
this
country
are
getting
very
tired
of
these
fingers
of
grief.
People
are
killed,
26
20
little
babies
and
it
doesn't
stop
there.
His
grief
goes
out
through
thousands
and
hundreds
of
thousands
of
people.
Same
thing
happened
to
us
on
a
whole
different
level.
Here
in
San
Bruno
all
right.
We
found
out
that
because
of
a
lack
of
oversight
by
higher-ups,
the
people
we
think
are
being
taken
care
of
us.
A
The
federal
government
and
especially
our
own
PUC
san
bruno
suffered
the
loss
of
eight
people,
and
it
wasn't
only
eight
people.
It
was
all
of
this
grief
that
we
have
suffered
in
the
communities
around
us
suffer
and
now
it's
a
national
thing,
the
same
things
happening
as
I
said
now
in
town
Pennsylvania,
so
whether
it
be
pipeline
safety,
whether
it
be
gun
violence,
it
has
to
start,
unfortunately,
from
the
bottom
up,
because
it's
not
happening
from
the
top
down
and
I
think
it's
up
to
us
as
mayors
and
council
people
to
get
that
ball
rolling.
A
But
we
are
the
ones
in
the
local
communities
to
have
to
live
with
this.
So
I
think
it's
really
important
that
we
do
something
it's
not
going
to
cure
the
problem,
but
if
that
one
one
gun
that
we
were
to
prevent
being
sold
and
that
one
clip
or
magazine
whatever
you
want
to
call,
it
was
the
one
that
wasn't
sold
that
fellas
mother.
That
day
that
wasn't
taken
from
her
house.
Who
knows
what
could
have
happened
or
not
not
have
happened.
So
it's
very
important
to
me.
We
see
it
on
a
daily
basis.
A
I
signed
a
a
note
of
support
to
the
mayors
of
this
country.
There's
850
mayor's
local
mayor's
large
cities,
small
cities
that
have
gotten
on
board
with
the
United
States
Conference
of
Mayors
to
support
the
stronger
gun,
violence,
gun,
gun
initiatives,
as
far
as
as
far
as
restrictions
on
what
can
be
sold
and
the
different
types
of
firearms
and
different
types
of
magazine.
A
So
that's
a
start,
but
I
think
at
a
local
level
leave
were
the
first
city
in
san
mateo
county
that
has
initiated
something
like
this
and
I
think
it's
very
important
to
do
a
couple
things
get
behind
merrily
in
san
francisco
and
support
the
resolution
that
he's
proposing
I
think
that's
important
and
it
would
like
staff
to
look
at
the
the
permitting
issues
that
you
mention
our
possibilities
in
our
town.
Maybe
some
of
those
things
are
being
done
already
and
maybe
they're
not
and
I
think
that's
at
least
a
start.
A
D
This
this
topic
I
think
right
now,
national
is
a
very
emotional
topic
and
I
just
want
to
take
a
really
brief.
Second
here
to
kind
of
take
some
of
the
emotion
out
of
that
and
look
realistically
some
of
the
things
that
were
mentioned
here
and
see
what
effect
we
could
really
expect
to
see
out
of
some
of
these
things.
So
I
just
wrote
down
a
few
notes
and
down
regarding
a
limit
on
our
on
the
requirement
to
report
500
rounds.
D
So
if
somebody
purchases
500
rounds
of
ammunition
at
a
local
store,
it
gets
reported
to
the
police
department.
First
of
all,
are
we
prepared
to
follow
up
on
those
reports
and
if,
if
we
find
that
somebody
does
have
500
grounds
legally,
what
can
we
do?
Are
we
in
a
position
where
we
can
say
no,
you
can't
own
500
rounds
of
ammunition,
and
can
we
confiscate
that
ammunition
or
I
mean
what
would
we
do
with
that
information?
D
C
Okay,
so
that
marks
exactly
right.
So
what
that
would
do
is
that
would
it's
it's
essentially
an
earning
early
warning
system
if
the
ammunition
is
legally
sold
in
the
city,
there's
nothing
that
would
prohibit
the
individual
from
owning
500
rounds
of
ammunition.
But
again
it's
it's
just
letting
that
law
enforcement
agency
know
that
this
individuals
purchased
500
rounds
of
ammunition.
We
would
then
look
and
see
is
theirs
or
other
recent
purchases.
D
C
D
And
again,
I
hate
to
sound
like
a
spokesman
for
the
NRA,
but
you
know
one
of
their
arguments
is
that
if
you,
if
you
make
certain
things,
illegal
legal
owners
are
affected
by
this
people
that
abide
by
the
law
are
affected
by
this,
but
those
that
choose
not
to
obey
the
law
are
going
to
continue
doing
exactly
what
they're
doing
so.
I
want
to
make
sure
that
if
we
do
decide
to
put
something
on
books,
it's
not
just
there
to
pay
lip
service
to
this,
but
that
we're
actually
doing
something.
D
C
That
information
is
in
an
intra
nationwide
database,
the
firearms
serial
number
all
of
that
is
entered
so
that
alerts
any
law
enforcement
agency
in
the
country.
That's
running
that
firearm.
That
will
let
them
know.
This
is
a
stolen
firearm.
Should
an
individual
go
to
resell
that
firearm
or
again
in
a
legal
manner,
then
that
would
indicate-
and
that
would
flag
that
firearm
and
hopefully
get
that
firearm
recovered.
The.
D
D
C
The
other
case
we
still
those
weapons
or
some
have
been
recovered.
Some
of
them
are
still
outstanding.
So
it's
hard
to
tell
because
I
don't
know
what
happened
to
those
firearms
in
the
cases
where
they
haven't
been
recovered
and
have
those
been
used
in
a
crime,
and
we
just
haven't
discovered
that
yet,
okay.
D
But
really
I
mean
there's.
There
would
be
really
nothing
to
indicate
it,
because
San
Bruno
has
two
gun
stores
that
we
might
have
more
gun
violence
in
other
cities
and
I.
Don't
know
what
the
other
cities
have,
but
I
mean
we
talked
a
lot
about
regulating
the
stores.
But
again
those
are
outlets
for
illegal
weapons,
unless
somebody
steals
them
I
think
maybe
having
some
requirements.
D
Mark
I
think
you
didn't
review
that
in
terms
of
how
they
physically
secure
their
inventory
would
have
more
of
a
benefit
and
actually,
if
somebody
were
to
move
their
gun
store
to
another
city,
that's
unregulated
I
would
almost
rather
have
them
here
where
we
can
regulate
them
rather
to
say
no,
don't
don't
come
to
our
city
and
go
somewhere
else
where
you
can
do
whatever
you
want.
I
think
the
tip
line
is
probably
a
good
idea.
You
know.
I
was
also
thinking
around
really
focusing
on
dangerous
individuals
rather
than
focusing
on
the
weapon.
D
Also,
when
we
talk
about
tip
lines,
maybe
we
could
encourage
a
system
where
people
identify
people
that
are
likely
to
commit
crimes,
people
that
are
likely
to
be
violent
and
get
that
information
to
the
police
so
that
we
can
maybe
follow
up
on
that
again.
I,
don't
know
the
legality
of
us.
You
know
following
up
on
somebody
just
because
her
neighbors
think
they're
they're
crazy,
but
in
a
lot
of
case
I
mean
we've
had
we
had.
F
I,
just
once
have
I
agree
with
the
mayor.
I
think
it
we
need
to
do
something.
It's
a
start,
I
questioned
500
rounds.
What
did
that
number
come
from
seems
like
a
lot
so
I
think
we
need
to
study
that
I
think
the
lot
the
Lawson
stolen
program
is
great.
I've
seen
the
buyback
program
has
been
very
successful.
Hundreds
of
guns
have
been
taken
off
a
public
views,
I
keep
hearing
about
background
checks.
F
How
I
think
there's
an
assumption
that
people
feel
safe
because
there
are
background
checks,
but
you
know
now
we're
seeing
that
the
president's
promoting
a
you
know
stronger
background
checks,
so
we
need
to
learn
a
lot
more,
but
I
think
we
do
need
to.
You
know,
take
a
stand
and
start
and
I.
We
should
endorse
the
resolution
by
Mayor
Lee
and
we
should
really
start
studying
this
because,
like
the
mayor
said,
we
say
one
life
from
an
illegal
gun,
I
think
we're.
You
know
we're
we're
ahead.
G
Thank
you.
I
have
some
questions
the
longer
line
of
councilman
Salazar,
as
well
with
the
500
rounds.
If
that's
reported
to
our
police
station,
is
there
going
to
be,
or
has
anyone
thought
about
a
method
of
sharing
that
with
everyone
else,
we're
so
close
to
me
we're
across
the
street
from
millbrae
sal
city?
It
doesn't
seem
like
it
would
do
much
good
if
it's
just
us
who
knows
about
it,
so
that's
I
think
how
to
share
it
or
if
we
share
that
kind
of
information
or
the
other
cities
share
it.
G
How
many
gun
stores
and
all
that
stuff
I
think
we
do
need
to
look
at
it?
It's
it's
scary
to
think
that
there's
a
store
with
the
people
could
access
or
hat
and
have
accessed
illegally
and
stolen
guns
and
what
they
can
do
with
it.
But
the
other
concern
I
have
that
I
didn't
hear
anyone
mentioned
was
at
home
dealers.
Do
we
have
any
way
of
regulating
people
who
deal
guns
from
their
homes?
I
know
it's
there's
people
who
have
antique
collections
and
gun
collections,
but
I
don't
know
if
we
regulate
that
at
all.
So.
B
C
B
G
D
E
B
I
think
we're
getting
a
couple
of
things
confused
the
business
license
is
one
thing
that
business
license
doesn't
really
matter
that
doesn't
confer
any
right
on
anybody
to
engage
in
a
business
in
a
zoning
district
that
it's
otherwise
not
permitted.
So
if
you
have
a
federal
license
to
sell
weapons
and
you're
in
the
business
of
selling
guns
in
san
bruno,
you
can't
sell
them
from
your
home.
Okay,.
B
Well,
that's
that's
hard
to
say,
probably
not
unless
somebody
told
us
that
you
know
we
don't
go
around
looking
at
everybody's
window
to
see
if
they're
selling
guns
in
their
home
out
of
their
home.
So
it's
not
an
activity
that
I
think
would
come
to
our
attention
unless
there
were
some
crime
that
occurred
or
unless
there
were
some
report
of
that
occurring
to
the
police
department
or
to
our
code
enforcement
I.
Think
that's
an
interesting
point.
Thank.
E
G
G
The
other
thing
I
would
like
us
to
either
add
to
or
think
about
when
we
are
going
to
support
the
Senate
and
Assembly
state
bills.
Is
it's
great?
It's
something
that
we've
all
encountered.
We
have
these
wonderful
laws.
We
have
coding.
You
know
codes
that
we
want
everything
to
look
great.
We
want
things
to
happen,
but
we
don't
fund
the
enforcement
of
them.
So
I
know
there's
over
300
law,
federal
laws,
regulating
guns
on
the
books,
but
I
know
for
a
fact
that
the
funding
to
have
the
people
regulate.
G
Those
laws
has
been
cut
over
fifty
percent
in
the
last
eight
years.
So
you
know
it's
like
put.
We
need
to
put
our
money
where
our
mouth
is
kind
of
thing
and
encourage
the
funding
of
that
enforcement.
I
agree
with
cannon
and
the
mayor.
We
need
to
do
something
I
mean
it's
it's
an.
It
is
an
emotional
subject,
but
I
think
we
can
daddy
what
has
been
done
in
other
places
successfully
and
come
up
with
some
things
around.
H
H
My
name
is:
excuse
me.
My
name
is
James
man.
I'ma
san
bruno
resident
I
got
married
across
the
street.
Making
75
have
been
around
here
for
a
while,
and
this
is
a
very
topic
that
I've
been
following
for
a
while
I've
been
a
member
of
a
group
called
legal
community
against
violence
arising
out
of
the
101
California
Street
shooting
back
in
nineteen
ninety
three
familiar
with,
and
they
have
a
wonderful
source
of
information.
H
If
you
want
to
go
on
website
to
get
statistics
on
laws
and
what's
going
on,
if
you
want
to
get
updated,
though,
by
the
way
they
change
their
name
last
dragon
and
that's
stumbling
over
my
mind.
It
was
but
if
you,
google,
legal
community
against
violence,
you
can
get
this
information
first
point
I'll
be
I'll.
Try
to
be
brief
is
I
believe,
it's
important
to
focus
activities
that
will
have
an
effect,
because
we
have
a
tremendous
opponent
here.
H
That's
well
financed
and
extremely
low
organized
the
gun
owners
of
america,
the
National
Rifle
Association
that
fight
these
things
tooth
and
nail.
So
the
only
thing
that
gets
through
are
very
watered-down
week
and
effective
at
laws
and
regulations,
for
example,
you're
going
to
do
away
with
hollow-point
bullets
that
really
isn't
what's
happening
as
far
as
really
I
think
where
people
are
being
killed.
H
The
city
sure
hollow-point
builds
are
terrible
things,
but
that's
not
what's
killing
people
every
day
we
face
about
34
people
dying
in
this
country,
the
equivalent
of
the
virginia
tech
massacre
day
after
day,
and
nobody
cares.
Nobody
says
it's
not
on
the
news:
you're
not
going
to
see
helicopters
and
SWAT
teams.
That
happens
every
day,
and
you
mentioned
the
Sandy
Hook
sure
that's
terrible,
but
we
do
nothing
about
that.
So
I
I
would
the
point
being
is
we
should
focus
on
resolutions
that
have
a
real
effect
like
the
buying
back
the
guns
etc?
H
Some
of
these
other
resolutions,
so
the
problem
with
it
I
see,
is
you
pass
them
and
really
it
doesn't
affect
the
level
of
violence
and
the
NRA.
The
gunner
of
America
see
the
pass
laws,
laws,
don't
protect
you.
You
have
to
have
the
good
guy
with
the
gun
to
protect.
You
remember,
that's
not
the
argument.
Okay,
all
right,
the
other
point
is
nobody's
mentioned
money
in
this
thing.
H
Really,
the
idea
being
is
the
effect
of
gun
violence
on
us
as
taxpayers,
on
our
society,
where
people
not
only
are
killed
but
their
main,
their
disabled
for
their
lives,
they're
going
to
go
on
welfare
on
assistance
for
the
rest
of
their
lives,
we
lose
them
as
taxpaying
citizens
or
any
money,
it's
millions
and
millions
of
dollars.
We
have
to
pay
as
taxpayers,
so
even
if
you're
not
emotionally
involved
in
this
thing,
you're
losing
money.
Because
of
this
supposed
to
write,
don't
an
ak-47
and
that's
something.
H
I
think
these
information
we've
really
got
to
get
out
to
people
to
focus.
On
that
saying,
look
you
know
you're,
supposedly
going
to
have
a
right
to
advocate
we're
losing
a
ton
of
money
every
day,
as
taxpayers
etc,
because
of
this
supposedly
sacred
right
that
we
have
as
to
have
guns
in
this
country,
etc.
So,
I
think
that's
just
one
important
factor,
I
think
should
be
focused
on
okay,
that's
about
it.
I
want
to
be
brief
and
thank
you
very
much.
I
Yes,
I
good
evening,
my
name
is
Ryan
Mahoney
annum
about
a
14-year
risen
in
san
bruno
and
right
now,
I
feel
like
I'm
about
the
loneliest
guy
in
the
room.
I
am
pro
two
way
and
I
wanted
to
address
a
few
issues
that
were
brought
up.
If
anybody
is
an
avid
shooter,
the
purchase
of
500
rounds
is
absolutely
nothing
in
scale.
I
I'm,
an
avid
shooter
I've,
been
shooting
for
over
20
years
to
purchase
500
rounds
is
like
purchasing
a
single
box
of
ammo
for
some
of
the
spends
time
going
to
the
range
and
shoots
for
several
hours
at
a
time
so
number
wise.
As
far
as
the
amount
of
rounds,
that's
nothing.
Okay,
you
can
buy
a
525
round,
brick
of
22
ammo.
I
That's
this
big
500
rounds
of
45
ACP
takes
up
about
this
much
space,
so
I
go
through
300
rounds
in
a
weekend
when
I
go
shooting
so
500
rounds
as
a
number
being
reported
is
really
kind
of
silly,
the
9-millimeter
or
not
mine.
Sorry,
the
ban
on
hollow
point,
ammo
hollow
point.
Ammo
is
designed
to
stop.
Ok,
if
you
know
anything
about
ballistics,
a
round
ball
ball.
Ammo
is
designed
to
penetrate
it
will
go
through
a
person.
I
Nine
millimeter
Amma,
which
is
the
primary
home
defense
around
in
hollow
point,
is
designed
to
expand
on
the
impact
and
prevent
over
penetration.
So
if
you're
in
a
close
quarter,
environment
such
as
an
apartment,
complex
or
whatnot-
and
somebody
is
in
your
house
there
anything
to
do
you
harm-
you
want
hollow
point
ammo,
because
it
will
penetrate
the
person
but
not
over
penetrate,
go
through
walls
into
other
people's
apartments
causing
more
damage.
I
So
my
personal
opinion,
it's
a
silly
idea
for
banning
hollow
point
because
it
has
high
lethality,
it's
designed
to
be
a
man
stopping
round
for
personal
protection.
Nobody
buys
hollow
point
ammo
in
bulk,
Mo's
mo
that
has
bought
in
bulk,
is
purchased
for
target
practice
and
for
training
rounds.
The
price
of
a
box
of
nine
millimeter,
a
mist,
use
9-millimeter
example.
It's
the
most
common,
a
box
of
20
rounds
of
nine-millimeter
hollow
point,
runs
you
about
twenty-five
dollars
where
a
standard
box
of
fifty
nine
millimeter
ball
animal
runs
you
about
thirteen
dollars.
I
So
that's
where
you
get
the
idea
of
number
of
500
rounds,
plus
the
banning
of
9mm.
Excuse
me
all
the
point.
It's
kind
of
silly
I'm,
an
avid
shooter
I've,
been
shooting
for
over
20
years.
I
have
never
committed
a
crime.
I,
don't
plan
to
so
I
see
no
reason
why
we
should
keep
enacting
legislation
that
keeps
taking
away
the
rights
of
the
law
abiding
citizen.
All
the
problems
we
have
are
not
gun.
Violence
problems
there,
people,
violence,
guns,
are
just
the
tools.
As
you
just
said,
you
know
somebody
was
bludgeoned
and
stabbed.
I
What's
the
next
step,
do
we
we
ban
hammers
and
knives?
Yes,
it's
easier
to
do
more
damage
with
a
firearm
that
it
is
most
other
available
tools,
but
that's
all
the
gun
is
a
gun
is
a
tool.
It's
neither
good
nor
bad.
It
all
depends
on
the
person.
That's
using
it
and
I
just
feel
I
had
to
come
down
here
and
say
something
because
I
I
hear
a
lot
of
emotional
pleas,
but
emotion
has
nothing
to
do
should
have
nothing
to
do
with
what
is
right
and
what
is
wrong?
I
D
Michael
to
the
chair,
I
wanted
to
ask
another
question
so,
regarding
city's
ability
to
limit
who
can
own
a
gun,
do
we
have
any
any
saying
that
can
if
somebody
has
been
declared
mentally
incompetent,
if
somebody
is
in
a
Philly,
a
gang
member,
for
example,
somebody's
committed
some
level
of
crimes
and
federal
law
would
consider
well
something
I.
Guess
if
you're
a
convicted
felon,
you
probably
couldn
own
a
gun,
but
right
now,
can
we
go
beyond
that.
So.
B
In
general,
I'll
take
a
first
stab
at
that
and
then
Neal
can
can
add
some
of
his
thoughts.
The
the
laws
that
restrict
people's
ability
to
possess
guns
exist
at
the
state
level,
not
at
the
local
level,
and
so,
if
the
state
says
felons
can't
have
a
gun,
then
felons
can't
have
done
the
the
city
can't
say
well,
I,
don't
know
if
you're
convicted
of
a
parking
ticket
you
can't
have
done
so
that's
the
kind
of
law
that
the
the
city
wouldn't
be
able
to
pass.
B
E
C
So
500
rounds
for
an
avid
shooter
I
mean
it's
a
lot
of
rounds,
but
if
you're
an
avid
shooter,
you
could
go
through
500
rounds
over
a
period
of
time.
I
think
it's
if,
if
gun
or
the
sale
of
ammunition
was
reported,
law
enforcement
within
24
hours
and
we
knew
John
Smith
is
an
avid
target
shooter
and
we
knew
John
Smith
goes
through
and
we
see
the
John
Smith
purchases
a
thousand
rounds
of
ammunition
a
month.
C
That's
that
may
not
raise
any
red
flags
if
we
see
something
come
in
that
another
individual
who,
out
of
the
blue
purchases
500
rounds
one
day
a
second
date
purchases,
another
500
rounds,
there's
something
that
may
raise
an
issue
and
again
as
this
thing
as
we
progress.
If
that's
the
direction
that
you
choose,
we
can
do
a
little
more
research
and
learn
a
little
more
on
that
in
terms
of
the
hollow
point
round.
He
is
exactly
the
speaker
was
exactly
correct.
The
whole
ground
is
designed
to
do.
One
thing:
stop
an
individual
and.
D
G
Yes,
following
up
on
that
question,
is
it
more
a
function
of
the
caliber
of
the
bullet,
rather
than
the
shape
this
I'm
I'm?
Well,
I
mean
if
it
if
it's.
If
we
ban
hollow
points
that
are
bigger,
I
think
I've
got
the
terminals
rate
bigger
than
the
9-millimeter,
then?
Is
that
a
better
thing
to
do
than
just
ban
them
totally
or
a
more
effective
thing
to
do?
I
think.
C
C
G
G
G
G
Maybe
this
is
something
that
needs
to
be
studied
further,
so,
but
but
thinking
about
it
that
way,
the
seller
is
confronted
with
somebody
who's
buying
the
Sam,
you
Nisshin,
they
pay
cash
for
it
and
then
they
say:
oh
no,
you
I
need
your
name
and
address
and
they
say
what's
John
Smith
on
you
know
100
Keysha
and
walk
away,
and
you
know
it's
false
name.
It's
a
not
the
right
address,
so
I
guess
I!
Guess
we
need
to
keep
working
on
it.
It's
my
question.
Grieco.
J
I'll
just
go
on
that
topic
since
out
was
last
discussed.
Obviously,
we've
already
indicated
that
it
can
be
ordered
online,
so
there
is
no
sure
way
of
knowing
exactly
and
it's
not.
It
was
going
to
be
recorded,
there's
also
fake
IDs.
So
the
intent
could
be
the
store
owner
to
go
ahead
and
take
that
information.
How
are
we
gonna
hold
the
dealer,
the
store
dealer
that
they
will
report
that
within
a
time
frame,
do
we
have
the
resources
that
was
brought
up
earlier?
J
I
do
agree-
and
it
wasn't
too
long
ago
in
this
community
or
maybe
a
little
bit
longer,
then
that
we
and
the
chem
prior
counsel
said
to
casinos
in
this
town
is
enough
and
they
reviewed
that
I'm.
Okay,
with
having
staff
look
into,
are
we
saying
the
two
is
suffice?
I
think
we
should
look
into
the
zoning
aspect.
I
think
this
city
in
this
community
has
looked
at
things
like
that
before
I
think
it
would
be
good
for
us
to
review
that
again.
J
Some
of
the
ideas
that
we
have
from
the
buyback
program
that
you
have
listed
in
here
I
think
are
some
appropriate
measures
and
the
security
for
the
business
and
storage
liability
insurance.
The
hearing
applying
you
know
all
those
things
I
think
those
are
some
positive
things
that
this
community
can
do
I
like
to
see
what
we
can
do
on
a
local
basis.
I
To
answer
her
question
that
she
asked
as
far
as
the
purchasing
of
the
ammo
California
already
has
a
state
law
that
requires
you
to
be
18
years
old,
to
buy
a
rifle
ammunition,
provide
ID
for
the
purchase
and
be
21
to
buy
handgun
ammunition.
So
you
cannot
just
go
into
a
store
and
buy
ammunition
without
presenting
some
kind
of
identification.
You
have
to
have
it
for
multiple
caliber
items
like
there
are
rifles
that
will
fire
handgun
ammo.
You
still
have
to
be
of
the
legal
age
to
buy
that
particular
caliber.
I
J
E
A
B
B
Right,
of
course,
will
monitor
the
state
legislation
and
get
back
to
you
on
that,
we'll
let
you
know
how
that
turns
out
in
terms
of
the
permit
system.
I've
heard
some
general
support
for
that,
but
desire
to
have
more
information
and
study
specifically
of
the
san
francisco
request
that
we
ban
hollow-point
ammunition
and
the
500
rounds.
So
is
that
correct,
yeah.
A
B
B
And
then
on
the
potential
draft
amendments
to
the
zoning
ordinance,
I've
heard
I
I
think
at
least
a
majority
indicating
to
look
at
those
those
aspects
to
do.
Some
further
study
see
see
what
we
could
do
or
two
gun
shops
that
we
have
sufficient.
If,
if
so,
why?
If
not,
why
not?
And
as
I
indicated
that
would
ultimately
wind
its
way
to
the
Planning
Commission
first,
but
is
there
some
general
support
for
staff
to
look
at
that
as
part
of
the
zoning?
The
zoning
code
I
think.
D
So,
and
there
is
one
business
right
now-
that's
a
one
location,
that's
I
guess
permitted
to
be
a
gun
dealer,
but
it's
currently
not
operational.
That's
so
that's
right
and
so
would
any
new
any
changes
to
the
current
zoning
affect
either
of
the
of
those
three
businesses,
the
two
that
are
in
operation
and
the
one
that's
not
or
are
we
talking
about
absolute,
just
netting
you
it's.
B
Going
to
depend
on
how
long
the
the
business
that
is
currently
not
in
operation,
whether
it
stays
out
of
operation,
our
zoning
code
provides
what's
called
a
six-month
amortization
period.
So
if
a
use
is
discontinued
for
upwards
of
six
months
after
a
change
in
zoning,
then
it's
it's
determined
that
the
use
can
lapse
so
that
there's
no
more
right
to
operate.
A
legal
non-conforming
use
anymore.
Okay,.
E
D
If
we
do
decide
to
move
forward
on
that,
I'd
like
to
know
like
to
have
some
evidence
that
that
we
would
be
what
the
expected
benefit
would
be
of
limiting
the
Dempster,
especially
in
economy,
where
we
don't
want
to
have
empty
storefronts.
If
we
decide
absolutely
no
more
gun
stores,
I'd
like
to
know
that,
what's
going
to
have
some
some
positive
benefit
and
and
also
anything
else,
that
we
do,
that
might
impact
the
current
businesses
that
we
do
probe
a
little
deeper
into
what
the
the
impact
would
be
to
them.