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San Bruno City Council Meeting May 28, 2013
10b. Accept Revised Grade Separation Archway Design Concept
A
B
Great
mr.
mayor
members
of
the
council
tonight
we
are
back
in
front
of
you
with
in
yet
another
iteration
of
the
decorative
bartsch
feature
on
the
san
bruno
grade
separation.
We're
very
pleased
and
excited
to
see
the
progress
of
the
grade
separation
structure,
and
it
has
progressed
now
to
the
point
where
I
know.
The
city
council
is
aware
that
trains
actually
began
to
run
on
the
top
of
the
grade
separated
structure
effective
just
day
before
yesterday
on
Sunday.
B
So
that
was
a
significant
milestone
in
the
construction
of
this
safety
improvement
in
our
town
and
one
which
signals
in
a
very
tangible
way.
The
pending
completion
of
this
very
long-term
construction
project
in
san
bruno.
The
item-
that's
in
front
of
you
tonight
is
reconsideration
of
the
decorative
arts
feature
that,
as
I
mentioned,
has
assumed
the
city
council's
attention
on
number
of
previous
occasions,
most
recently
at
your
November
27
2012
meeting.
B
At
which
time
the
city
council
made
a
final
approval
of
the
design
feature
and
some
specific
elements
having
to
do
with
signage
and
structural
supports
to
the
or
decorative
features
associated
with
structural
support
to
the
archway
feature.
Tonight.
We're
back
to
you
to
discuss
this
matter
in
a
little
bit
more
that
a
little
bit
of
additional
length
it
with
several
specific
aspects
of
the
design
of
both
the
arch
and
a
couple
of
other
of
the
area.
Improvements
associated
with
the
grade
separated
structure.
B
B
B
A
very
important
feature
of
the
archway
overall
design
in
that
part
of
our
interest
is
not
just
to
provide
a
safe
transit
of
trains
through
the
community,
which
was
the
original
interest
in
developing
the
grade-separated
structure,
but
to
provide
an
actual
amenity
sense
of
place
and
a
little
bit
of
an
excitement
about
what
about
the
entry
to
san
berdo
so
including
the
name.
You
know
the
name
of
san
bruno
in
a
way,
that's
clearly
visible
is
important.
B
The
JPB
will
be
looking
for
your
decision-making
tonight
about
exactly
where
the
lettering
should
go.
And
thirdly,
the
JPB
is
interested
in
making
sure
that
they
have
your
final
decision
regarding
the
color
of
the
interior,
illuminated
glass
on
the
archway
itself,
as
well
as
the
glass
that
was
intended
to
be
in
a
corresponding
color
inside
of
the
or
rather
on
the
elevator
tower
on
the
west
side
of
the
structure.
So
again,
mark
Simon
will
will
include
all
of
those
items
in
his
presentation.
B
So
tonight
the
JPB
is
prepared
to
show
you
the
design
feature
in
landscaping
along
the
east
side
of
the
structure
in
a
long
first
avenue
for
an
important
element
of
the
project,
because
it
is
directly
across
the
street
from
our
residents
who
live
on
First
Avenue
and
who
have
now
for
a
very
long
period
of
time,
tolerated
what
must
seem
like
endless
construction
and
then
second
and
very
important,
I
believe,
is
your
final
determination
about
the
design
and
features
associated
with
Posey
Park.
If
you've
been
down
to
the
area
of
the
construction.
C
We
are
especially
when
it
comes
to
the
archway
and
the
aesthetic
features,
pretty
much
ending
the
design
phase
and
beginning
to
enter
the
construction
phase,
and
that's
one
of
the
reasons
why
some
of
these
elements
have
such
a
criticality
to
in
terms
of
how
soon
a
decision
has
to
be
made.
We
are
delighted
that
there's
now
train
service
on
the
great
separation.
First
of
all,
it
just
cool
thing
to
see,
but
we're
just
thrilled
that
those
intersections
are
now
infinitely
safer
than
they
were
just
a
few
days
ago.
So,
thank
you
for
all
you've
done.
C
To
reiterate.
That's
the
last
design.
We
showed
you
back
in
November
the
W
which
I
said
stood
for
wonderful,
but
you
said
well,
maybe
not
in
the
medallion.
That's
a
rough.
Drawing
of
it.
I
want
to
draw
your
attention
before
we
move
on
to
all
the
other
angles
and
lines
between
the
pill,
two
posts
for
the
shelter,
the
posts
for
the
railing.
C
There
will
also
be
electric
wires
eventually,
so
one
of
the
things
that
concerned
us,
if
you
kept
the
struts,
it's
a
very
busy
visual
aspect
to
it
and
that
we
thought
by
because
the
struts
are
no
longer
structurally
essential.
They
are
decorative
entirely
that
provided
us
some
opportunities
to
try
some
different
things.
C
So
there's
a
w
again
and
there's
something
we
thought
we
could
certainly
recommend,
and
we
think
this
is
more
elegant,
more
simple.
It's
actually,
remarkably
like
what
we
originally
started.
Talking
about.
God
knows
how
long
ago,
but
anyway
we
thought
this
was
something
that
we
found
very
very
appealing.
C
We,
we
know
that
the
city
wants
to
have
its
mark
on
this
as
a
clear
indicator
which
town
this
is.
We
talked
about
the
medallion
since
it
was
going
to
hang
from
the
W
and
there's
no
W,
you
have
to
find
someplace
to
put
it
in
the
best
place.
To
put,
it
is
on
the
great
separation
itself
that
little
squiggle
to
the
right
is
the
caltrain
logo
and
I
should
add,
none
of
our
grade
separations
have
the
caltrain
logo
on
them.
C
So,
if
want,
if
you
want
to
just
to
say
San
Bruno,
that's
something
we
could
certainly
accommodate,
there's
another
way
of
hanging
the
medallion,
and
then
we
started
looking
at
some
strut
alternatives.
We
didn't
do
a
lot
with
it,
partly
because
of
our
concern
that
there
are
just
an
awful
lot
of
other
visual
features
going
on
there's
one
version
where
they
we
also
incorporate
the
medallion
another
one,
looked
like
a
V
and
then
we're
back
to
what
we
thought
the
archway
would
look
like
in
its
final
form.
C
C
Next
is
the
east
side.
You
may
recall
originally
called
for
a
fountain
water
feature.
Some
time
ago,
we
discussed
with
the
council
and
the
city
staff
eliminating
the
water
feature
and
turning
into
a
planter.
So
this
is
sort
of
our
general
concept
about
what
that
would
look
like,
and
we
do
need
sort
of
final
sign-off
on
the
idea,
although
there's
still
some
opportunities
to
tweak
that
part
of
it.
C
Next
is
the
landscaping
on
the
east
side
at
first
and
at
Huntington,
and
there
are
a
couple
of
trees
in
the
Posey
Park
area
that
were
damaged
by
the
construction.
They
were
redwoods
as
I
recall.
Is
that
correct
and
we're
replacing
them
with
these
trees,
which
will
have
some
really
remarkable
fall
foliage
on
them?
Some
nice
colors?
C
This
is
the
water
feature
at
Posey
park
and
it's
hard
to
see
it's
one
of
the
things
that's
frustrated
us
from
the
beginning,
and
we
appreciate
the
difficulty
of
providing
these
things
to
the
council
in
giving
any
sense
of
proportionality,
either
with
the
archway
or
this.
But
this
is
the
water
feature.
It's
if
you
can
see
carefully
or
closely
at
the
bottom.
It
flows
over
the
edge
in
a
couple
of
places,
there's
some
fountains,
let's
shoot
up
and
it
really
sort
of
creates,
certainly
Posey
park
as
a
dynamic
sense
of
place.
C
Where
are
we
next
here?
This
is
the
hardscape.
This
is
the
I'm,
sorry
Clara.
We
have
some
discussion
about
whether
or
not
to
have
a
curved,
paving
or
squared-off
paving,
and
if
you
see
should
be
one
more
clear.
The
next
slide
go
back
one
and
go
back
another
way.
There
we
go.
If
you
look
at
the
upper
left-hand
corner,
that
pattern
is
repeated
throughout
most
of
the
great
most
of
the
project
of
for
paving
just
creates
this.
Instead
of
squared
off,
it
creates
a
sense
of
flow.
C
It
creates
a
sense
of
of
you
unity
with
the
rest
of
the
project
and
I
apologize
for
going
so
fast,
but
we
did
provide
all
this
information
to
the
council
in
advance
and
hope
that
we
could
not
take
up
too
much
of
your
time
and
also
give
you
a
chance
to
look
at
this
stuff
in
a
setting
other
than
this
one,
because
it
as
we
know
it's
a
little
difficult
to
envision.
What
we're
talking
about
so,
as
the
city
manager
said,
we
do
have
some
critical
and
important
decisions.
C
Next
slide
Clara.
We
do
have
also
a
a
mock-up.
It's
a
sectional
mock-up
that
we'll
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
in
a
real
moment
or
two,
but
we
know
it's
difficult
to
fully
understand
what
the
lighting
will
look
like
at
night.
Since
we're
not
outdoors
and
it's
lights
are
on,
and
so
we
want
to
actually
build
a
model
for
a
couple
of
sections
of
it,
not
the
whole
archway
to
show
what
the
lighting
effect
would
be.
That'll
be
that's
actually
at
the
site.
C
We
can
talk
further
about
that
and
then
there's
a
last
decision
field.
Paoli,
the
design
architects
recommended
that
the
pedestrian
and
vehicular
underpasses
have
some
color
to
them.
Frankly,
none
of
us
are
thrilled
with
the
color.
We
don't
think
we
need
it,
but
since
we've
demonstrated
it
to
you
in
past
iterations,
we
thought
we
ought
to
make
sure
that
you
at
least
know
what
we're
thinking
about
give
you
to
make
the
decisions,
so
the
set
of
decisions
that
we're
facing
right
now.
C
The
reason
why
we
have
to
make
the
decision
about
that
the
struts
right
now
is:
we
need
to
order
the
steel
for
the
archway.
Although
the
struts
will
not
be
critical
to
supporting
the
archway,
they
will
be
attached
to
it
and
we
have
to
order
basically
every
we
have
to
order
the
steel
preformed
in
a
way
that
will
accommodate
struts
or
whatever
you
want
to
call
them
and
those
decorative
features.
If
you
want
them,
so
we
kind
of
have
to
make
that
decision,
if
not
now
that
very,
very
much
resembling
now.
C
D
Or
can
you
explain
you
know,
and
I
can
appreciate
when
you
when,
when
you,
when
the
decision
makers
or
the
designers
were
trying
to
simplify
things,
can
you
explain
what
we're
looking
at?
We
we
have
some
verticals
are,
we
also
have
would
appear.
I
know
what
the
railing
is.
The
guardrail
is
what
about
the
the
other
panels
that
are
on
each
side
of
the
of
the
arch
each
end
of
the
arch
are
those
on
the
same
plane
or
are
they?
Are
they
the
screens
that
are,
on
the
other
opposite
side,
actually.
C
What
you're,
seeing
there
are
the
screens
that
are
on
the
east
side?
I
should
add
by
the
way
one
of
the
concerns
that
council
had
the
past,
with
the
w
or
whatever
it
might
have
been.
Was
the
accessibility
and
my
temptation
of
might
provide
to
people
trying
to
jump
on
the
archway.
This
will
certainly
solve
that
problem.
Is
that
correct?
We
do
also
have
other
staff
here,
Alex
Jenkins
from
HNTB
Ashkelon,
II
from
caltrain,
and
also
Raphael
work
with
whom
you're
well
familiar
by
now,
but
what
you're
seeing
is
what's
on
the
east
side?
E
Blackboard
is
actually
semi-circular
in
in
plan
view,
so
the
arch
is
actually
closer
to
you
than
the
grade
separation.
So
that's
standing
off
some
distance,
so
in
the
past
remember
we
were
showing
it
actually
flush
with
the
great
set
now
we're
showing
it
away
from
the
platform,
and
that
was
for
the
reason
that
mark
was
talking
about
was
we
wanted
to
preclude
people
from
jumping
on
it
or
playing
on
it
or
what
have
you?
So?
D
D
D
E
E
Right
so
I
guess
the
question
was:
if
you
didn't
build
an
arch,
what,
with
the
with
the
shelters,
be
the
whole
length
of
the
platform,
and
the
answer
is
no
it's
a
little
similar
to
on
the
west
side.
You
have
some
portions
that
are
shelter,
then
you
have
some
gaps
that
are
windscreen
and
some
that
are
just
railing,
as
you
see
so
really
all
that's
added
to
this
image
is
the
orange
itself.
Okay,.
D
E
D
C
Yeah,
but
the
only
reason
it's
a
proposal
is
because
it's
been
in
this
drawing
since
the
beginning:
it's
something
we
can
pass
on
or
we
can
choose
a
different
color
if
you
prefer.
Okay,
there's
also
lighting
underneath
there
and
that
lighting
does
have
the
ability
to
control,
not
just
the
brightness,
but
the
color.
Is
that
correct
yeah?
So
you
can?
You
can
affect
different
colors
with
the
lighting
I'm.
You
can
make
it
orange
at
Halloween
if
you
wanted,
or
if
the
Giants
win
another
world
series.
Okay,.
D
D
My
again
I
can
appreciate
the
you
feeling
that
it
might
be
too
busy,
but
as
a
designer
and
and
wanting
to
see
structure,
whether
or
not
it
is
functional
or
not,
I
believe
the
struts
are
necessary
and
my
my
solution
that
I've
drawn
on
all
of
these
all
of
these
sketches
was
just
to
add
another
leg.
Instead
of
a
you
instead
of
a
w,
then
you
just
come
back
down
because
there
was
gap
to
bring
down
another
another
diagonal.
So.
D
E
B
G
D
D
I'm
fine
with
the
change
on
the
east
side
of
landscaping
in
lieu
of
water
feature:
I,
I,
really
gotta,
I,
guess
that
was
when
were
main
concern
and
I
really
don't
understand
the
paving
pattern
why
you
know
I
almost
chuckle
when
I
see
the
explanation
that
the
paving
pattern
was
was
modeled
after
an
artichoke,
so
I
think
that's
what's
really
busy.
You
know
in
the
page.
H
D
C
A
G
Thank
you.
I
appreciate
Ken's
comments
but
I
like
the
cleanliness
of
it
or
the
elegance
of
just
the
plain,
archway
and
I
like
where
the
medallion
is
so
I
would
leave.
That
word
is
I
like
the
green
tinted
glass,
so
there
so
there
and
then
the
mustard
underneath
color
you
can
let
that
one
go.
I
really,
I
think
part
of
what's
deceiving
is
the
concrete
that's
showing
on
this
is
gray,
but
that's
not
what
it's
painted
now
and
I,
really
like
the
color
that
it's
being
painted
it's
a
kind
of
a
warm
beige.
G
G
H
G
H
H
Now
that
the
design
can
be
done
in
structurally,
more
simple
fashion.
Is
that
going
to
somehow
reduce
the
price
and
I
think
one
of
the
urgency
items
we
talked
about
before
was
actually
integrating
the
structure
into
the
platform
itself.
It
looks
like
that
requirement
went
away,
and
possibly
that
buys
us
a
little
more
time
in
terms
of
the
construction
of
this
thing.
So
being
that
we
can
extend
the
time
frame
and
being
that
it's
a
simpler
structure,
can
we
expect
to
see
some
savings,
probably.
C
H
In
terms
of
the
structural
stability,
the
city
gets
pretty
windy
at
times
in
without
having
that
any
support
in
the
center.
Is
there
any
s?
Have
you
guys
done
some
kind
of
structural
analysis
on
how
much
play
there
is
on
on
the
structure
and
whether
that's
going
to
weaken
the
Plexiglas
'it's
in
there
cause
cracking
that
might
make?
Well,
it.
C
E
You
sue
no,
it's
a
good
question
in
order
to
make
a
self
supporting
arts
like
you
see
there.
What
you
actually
have
is
is
it
of
steel
and
runs
inside
it
which
is
sort
of
the
skeleton
behind
it
and
then
the
cladding
is
static.
So,
in
order
to
accomplish
this,
we
actually
had
to
add
more
steel.
That's
part
of
the
reason
why
I
was
looking
at
mark.
E
Shane
know
the
cost
isn't
going
to
go
down
because
we've
added
more
steel
into
the
the
arch
of
south
and
we've
taken
some
of
the
steel
away
from
this
drugs.
So
we
did
look
at
the
wind
and
in
order
to
exactly
right,
the
wind
is
actually
what
governs
the
design
in
this
case,
and
so
we
had
to
do
a
beefier
steel
section
to
account
the.
E
H
C
G
I
As
far
as
the
start
on
the
underneath,
the
mustard
color,
not
a
fan,
I
saw
the
both
designs
on
the
arch
I
do
like
the
version
we
have
up
here.
As
far
as
that,
taking
Irene's
comments,
the
cleaner,
less
clutter.
I
also
have
a
concern
on
the
support
as
well
it
on
occasion
it
can
get
windy
in
san
berdo
and
I.
Do
wonder?
Is
that
going
to
be
to
where
it
rattles
or
I
mean
I?
I
Understand
it's
everything's
great,
just
like
the
price
won't
go
down,
but
it
hopefully
won't
go
up,
but
it's
somewhere
in
the
middle.
So
if
that's
the
support
mechanism
that
we're
going
to
have
and
then
the
wind
comes
and
it's
there
and
I
can
tell
you've
councilmember
Salazar
0
you're
not
going
to
be
able
to
come
back
and
ask
for
more
money
to
support
that
better.
I
C
A
Do
it
the
question
I
will
comment
on
the
medallion
I'd
like
to
see
it
fairly
three-dimensional.
So
it
stands
out.
So
it
has
some
shims
shadow
and
some
pop
to
it.
Not
just
a
sign
type
of
thing.
So
I'd
like
to
see
you
know
the
lettering
and
and
the
surround
of
the
medallion
actually
stand
out.
So
it
really
does
say
you
know
san
bruno,
not
just
a
sign.
Okay
and
as
far
as
caltrain
I
think
Sandra
knows
enough.
Nice.
C
A
I
Paving
I
have
the
same
concerns
that
have
been
raised
by
getting
yourself
the
elevator
I'm
in
favor
mr.
mayor
the
way
you'd
addressed
it.
I
need
to
understand
better
the
water
feature.
I
guess
I'm
having
a
visual
and
I've
been
on
the
subcommittee
of
driving
through
and
saying
just
it's
an
added
feature.
I
understand
the
gym.
Saying
too
is
that
there's
possibly
a
maintenance?
So
what
is
that
cost?
What
is
the
cost
of
that
versus
that?
What
is
not
only
to
maintain
it,
but
also
yeah?
C
Are
two
different
water
feature
related
decisions?
The
one
we're
asking
for
tonight
only
is
the
original
plans
called
for
a
water
feature
on
the
east
side
with
the
subcommittee
and
through
extensive
conversations
with
the
staff
we
we
were
directed
and
we
agree
what's
eliminated
from
the
east
side
and
that's
why
there's
a
planner
a
set
of
planter
boxes.
There
planner
features
that
we
put
in
place
and
we
showed
you
one
of
those
slides.
C
C
You
know
we're
just
working
as
closely
as
we
can
on
the
city
staff
to
try
to
figure
it
out
it.
We
do
appreciate
the
fact
that
we
had
to
bring
this
to
the
council
and
fairly
short
notice.
It's
one
of
the
reasons
we
tried
to
provide
as
much
information
at
a
time
so
that
you
didn't
come
here
and
receive
these
things
for
the
first
time,
which
we've
also
been
known
to
do
so,
I
thought
we
were
actually
learning
a
lesson
or
two
from
her
prior
performance.
Well,.
I
A
H
B
Wanted
to
clarify
that
they
there
is
a
decision
in
front
of
the
city
council
tonight
to
having
to
do
with
the
east
side
treatment
at
the
station
site
itself,
and
it
might
be
a
good
idea
as
you're
moving
towards
doing
here,
mr.
mayor,
to
take
these
issues
one
at
a
time.
So
you
have
the
arch,
you
have
the
colors
associated
with
the
arch.
You
have
the
lettering,
the
struts
you
also
have.
C
D
If
I
can,
if
I
can
interject
being
on
the
subcommittee
for
ten
years
now,
I
really
do
not
recall
any
discussion
of
a
water
feature
on
the
east
side.
So
the
discussions
that
have
gone
on
through
the
subcommittee
and
leading
up
to
tonight
I
believe
that
you
know
we
are
at
least
the
subcommittee
is
a
society
that
you
know
that
the
landscape
replacement
is
you
know
it's
the
way
to
go
with.
D
We've
only
really
seen
it
in
plan
view,
we've
seen
a
couple
of
artists,
renditions
of
how
it
might
look
from
a
distance
so,
but
not
in
a
lot
of
detail.
I
know
that
this
you
know,
there's
there's
been
some
sort
of
pattern
and
then
there's
been
a
pattern
of
trees.
You
know
within
within
the
area,
but
not
a
lot
of
discussion
in
our
detail
as
far
as
how
that
water
was
going
to
travel
and
how
it
was
going
to
spill
spill
out
in
certain
areas.
C
I
understand
it's
true:
the
subcommittee
did
make
it
pretty
clear
that
the
east
side
should
be
landscaped
and
not
include
water
feature,
and
we
proceed
accordingly
and
really.
What
this
is
about
tonight
is
to
give
you
an
idea
of
where
we
ended
up
with
the
landscaping
getting
sort
of
final
sign-off
on
the
idea
that
we're
going
to
landscape
it.
There's
still
some
flexibility,
I
mean
plans
or
plants.
We
can.
We
can
make
some
of
those
decisions
and
what
we
plant
there
pretty
late
in
the
process.
D
D
J
J
J
It
looks
it
probably
the
closest
will
be
on
on
your
on
your
printout
rather
than
the
screen,
but
that's
pretty
close.
You
know
what
you
can.
Actually,
if
you,
if
you
actually
go
out
to
the
grade
separation
site,
you'll,
see
the
color
that
they're
actually
painting
the
walls
now,
and
that
would
be
the
same
colors
here.
J
A
A
I
G
Yeah,
what
about
green
guys,
because
that
the
rest
of
its
going
to
be
yeah,
because
the
rest
of
us
going
to
be
the
color
this
color,
the
rest
of
the
concrete?
It's
not
going
to
be
gray!
Is
that
correct,
so
right,
you're
going
to
have
a
you're
going
to
have
this
color
of
concrete
with
a
not
much
different,
color
medallion?
So
in
my
opinion,
you
should
have
something
that
pops
out,
which
would
be
a
contrasting
color,
which
would
be
the
green
to
go
with
arch.
Can.
C
H
G
C
And
that
goes
back
to
certainly
as
councilman
Ibara
said,
this
has
been
something
that's
been
incorporated
into
Posey
park
for
a
long
time,
but
we
do
want
to
be
sensitive.
It
is
a
significant
maintenance
commitment
that
this
it
is
on.
According
to
our
construction
and
maintenance
agreement
is
the
city's
responsibility,
so
we
don't
want
to
just
barrel
through
without
a
full
recognition
that
this
could
be
something
that
can
get
complicated.
We've
all
seen,
fountains
that
aren't
necessarily
well
maintained
or
the
dolphin
don't
work
all
the
time.
C
D
I'd,
like
I'd,
like
it
I,
like
repeat
the
water
feature,
pulls
apart
I'd
like
a
little
more
information
as
to
help.
You
know
how
we're
going
to
deal
with
maintenance.
I
also
like
to
know
a
little
bit
more
about
how
caltrain
is
an
assuming
caltrain
is
going
to
maintain
their
landscaping
or
are
they
etsy.
C
D
Any
well-
and
it
is
yeah
and
I've,
seen
I've
seen
maintenance
at
the
other
stations,
especially
at
the
great
subs
I've,
been
paying
attention.
So
those
those
are
ongoing
things
and
so
I
just
wanted
to
be.
For
my,
for
my
knowledge,
no
no
better!
That
caltrain
is
doing
this
in
the
city
is
going
to
be
asked
to
do
this.
F
Honorable
mayor
council,
member
just
for
clarification
based
on
power,
memorandum
of
understanding
with
JPP
JPB
is
responsible
to
maintain,
including
the
landscape
in
the
station
Posey
park
will
be
serious,
responsibility
will
receive,
is
responsibility,
the
water
feature
itself
or
f,
will
be
replaced
with
landscape.
Dance
still
will
be
the
city's
responsibility.
Well,.
D
B
B
Engaged
other
than
in
reviewing
the
design
for
accuracy,
as
in
terms
of
conformance
with
previously
represented
design
concepts.
The
we
have
not
had
the
opportunity
to
do
a
detailed
evaluation
of
I
heard
tonight.
There,
water
flowing
down
the
sides
and
fountain
aspects
of
this
that
may
present
unknown
maintenance
related
issues
for
the
city.
We
do
not,
to
my
knowledge,
have
any
significant
water
features
anywhere
else
in
towns.
So
this
isn't
something
that
we
have
a
great
deal
of
experience
with
I.
D
Think
it's
interesting
to
have
a
water
feature,
but
I'm
not
totally
married
to
it
because
I'm
just
it's
unfortunate
that
we
have
to
think
about
vandalism
that
we
have
to
think
about
the
unexpected
and
in
it
and
when
I
say
about
maintenance-
and
this
is
not
the
old
park
ill
posing
park
was
a
bunch
of
trees
and
a
couple
of
benches.
This
is
now
a
Plaza.
D
That's
going
to
need
a
lot
more
than
just
cleaning
paper
out
of
the
water
or
something
this
can
be
trashed
in
no
time
with
papers
and
leaves
and
garbage,
and
everything
and
I
think
it
needs
some
real.
You
know
significant
thought
as
to
how
we're
going
to
keep
this
image
up
of
a
clean
nice
plaza
area
and
if
it
means
sacrificing
water
to
be
able
to
have
the
city
maintain
a
nice
clean,
plaza
area
as
a
gateway
to
our
city,
then
I
think
we
need
to.
You
know
really
make
that
hard
decision.
C
We
purposely
divided
some
of
these
issues
into
two
different
categories.
One
were
critical
and
you've
addressed
all
those
already
okay.
Others
are
important,
which
means
that
the
time
is
running,
but
we
don't
have
to
have
a
decision
tonight.
I
think
it's
eminently
reasonable
for
the
city
to
ask.
What
is
it
getting
yourself
into
in
terms
of
maintaining
this
was
feature
I'm.
I
Just
going
to
say,
since
a
night,
that's
right
that
marking
you
were
saying
was
on
this
item.
I.
Think
it's
the
manager
said
it
wasn't
critical.
We
had
to
have
a
decision
on
this
tonight,
but
I'm
also
interested
in.
For
me,
the
water
feature
I
like
the
idea
I
like
something
different,
something
to
add
the
aesthetics
anew
and
in
this
community,
but
I
also
and
one
as
many
people
know
with
the
budget.
I
I
want
to
have
a
plan
and
I
want
to
know
what,
how
not
you,
how
we're
going
to
maintain
it
with
current
staffing
and
resources
and
funds.
So
you
know
I
know,
there's
a
lot
of
technology
out
there,
and
but
we
do
have
to
think
about
vandalism.
We
definitely
think
about
graffiti.
We
have
to
think
about
site
visibility
to
make
sure
that
things
are
out
in
the
open.
So
I
need
to
have
more
of
information
on
that.
B
H
E
E
I
I
G
I,
like
the
shape
of
what
you
have
I
like
the
idea,
I
like
the
curve
of
it
I,
think
it's
a
very
elegant
addition.
I
can
very
concerned
as
the
other
gentlemen,
are
that
it's
going
to
be
a
mess
in
no
time.
Remember
the
wind
and
remember
the
the
trash
that
comes
that
gets
blown
down.
Is
it
possible
to
keep
the
to
keep
everything
except
the
actual
water
part
and
maybe
make
those
in
make
it
into
benches
and
put
blue
tile
on
the
back
so
that
it
has
that
look
to
it?
G
C
I
would
think
the
decision
is
not
all
that
dissimilar
to
what
we
just
did
on
the
east
side,
which
is
it
it's
an
opportunity
to
landscape
and
turn
it
into
something.
It's
more
than
just
a
cement
structure
that
looks
like
it
was
meant
to
be
a
fountain
in
it's
just
an
empty
box
instead,
but
I
mean,
as
Raphael
said,
every
time
we
changed
on.
This
has
been
in
that
this
has
been
in
the
project
design
virtually
from
the
beginning.
So
that's
one
of
the
reasons.
A
D
I'd
like
to
keep
the
water,
it's
just
that
you
know
it's.
It's
it's
been
in
yeah,
it's
been
here,
it's
been
drawn
for
10
years,
but
it's
always
been
drawn
like
this.
It's
always
been
a
bird's-eye
view.
There's
been,
you
know,
you
need
a
magnifying
glass
to
really
understand.
What's
going
on,
I,
see
it
better
now
than
I
have
in
10
years
is,
you
know,
is
seeing
this
slow
so
to
say
that
it's
been
here.
D
It's
you
know
we're
supposed
to
be
the
client
we're
supposed
to
be
the
ones
that
are
making
the
decisions
or
whether
we
like
it
or
not,
and
it's
almost
as
if
I'm
looking
at
it
from
a
distance
I'm
looking
at
it
a
this
is
what
you
know.
Is
this?
What
you
want
and
said?
Well,
jeez
can
I
get
closer
to
look
at
it,
no
yeah.
This
is
about
as
close
as
you
can
get
so
I
can
appreciate.
A
A
H
A
D
Is
there
a
designer
there
is
someone
that
has
been
working
on
this
water
feature,
I'm
sure
and
that
that
person
may
be
able
to?
You
know,
be
able
to
explain
it
a
little
better.
You
know
and
I
say
no.
The
water
is
going
to
come
here
and
you're.
You
know
here
this
sort
of
stuff
and
you're
going
to
you're
going
to
see
water
coming
down,
and
it's
going
to
look
neat
as
it
comes
down.
You
know
to
this
session
and
such
so
well.
D
I
also
wanted
to
add
that
you
know
with
what's
on
the
drawing
what's
on
the
screen
now.
This
is
definitely
what
we
were
looking
at.
You
know
way
back:
when
is
the
treatment
for
a
two-track
alignment
on
on
First
Avenue,
so
it's
again
going
to
use
a
magnifying
glass
but
I
believe
that
the
First
Avenue
residents
are
going
to
be
treated
with
some
nice
buffer
of
landscaping
and
somewhat
of
a
landscape
that
terrorists
hill.
That.
C
G
C
B
I
might
mr.
mayor,
there
are
some
pictures
that
we
actually
saw
that
the
jpv
has
that
I
think
show
a
better.
They
show
a
street-level
view
of
the
landscaping
along
the
wall
at
first
avenue
and
since
we're
going
to
bring
back
the
water
feature
at
Posey
park,
I
think
it
would
be
useful
to
bring
that
back
as
well,
so
that
you
can
actually
see
this
is
very
difficult.
This
is
very
difficult
to
interpret.
I
would
hate
for
you
to
make
your
decision
based
on
something
you
can't
really
see.
That's.
B
C
C
We've
been
talking
for
quite
some
time,
and
unfortunately
this
is
the
best
example.
We
can
give
you
an
I
liken
it
to
trying
to
buy
an
eight-foot
sofa
when
you're
looking
at
a
three
inch
square
fabric.
Swatch
I've
never
been
very
good
at
that.
So
I
just
want
to
reiterate
that
we
are
building
a
mock-up.
It's
only
if
a
couple
of
sections,
one
at
the
very
top.
So
you
get
an
idea
how
thick
it
is
and
one
closer
to
the
bottom.
C
So
you
get
a
sense
of
the
proportion
of
that
it's
a
scale
mock-up
of
those
two
sections
that
will
include,
but
this
perforated
metal
and
will
include
the
plexiglass
and
include
the
lighting
scheme
so
that
you
can
come
see
it
at
night.
It's
in
a
protected
part
of
the
site
so
that
it
doesn't
require
you
to
wear
a
hard
hat.
When
you
look
at
it
or
anything
like
that
and
we'll
work
with
the
city
staff
to
find
out
when
it
makes
the
most
sense
for
you
either
to
go
collectively.
C
If
you
have
to
go
as
a
city
council
or
perhaps
go
individually,
I,
don't
know
if
it
qualifies
as
a
serial
communication.
If
it's
us
telling
you
something
but
we'll
work
that
out
and
have
that
information
and
have
that
that
mock-up
available
for
you
to
go
see.
So
you
can
fully
understand
what
we're
trying
to
do
with
the
lighting
and
what
kind
of
landmark
it
will
be.
Okay,
sounds.
A
D
H
One
question
back
on
the
color:
the
San
Bruno
underpass:
where
was
that
mustard,
yellow
or
whatever
have
you
decided?
Is
there
a
potential
to
take
the
color
that
there
now
painting
on
the
structure
and
use
that
underneath
the
overpass
Samba
all
the
overpasses,
so
that
you're
not
introducing
another
another
color?
Just
that
would
my
okay,
that.
H
H
B
B
It
mr.
mayor,
if
we
might
I
I,
would
suggest
that
we
bring
back
three
items
to
you.
One
is
the
landscape
treatment,
better,
better
plan
view
pictures
of
the
landscape
treatment
along
first
avenue,
the
water
feature
and
design
landscape
treatment
at
Posey
park
and
thirdly,
the
lighting
underneath
the
station
site
at
san
bruno
avenue.