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San Bruno Planning Commission Meeting 11-17-09
Whole meeting
A
We've
located
the
back
also
for
those
viewing
and
hearing
viewing
and
hearing
this
meeting
this
evening,
you
wish
to
follow
along
the
agendas
and
staff
report
on
they
are
available
on
the
san
bruno,
CA
gov
and
all
Planning
Commission's
are
recorded
and
televised
on
cable
TV,
one
and
replay
the
following
thursday
at
two
o'clock
police.
I
ask
you
to
turn
off
your
cell
phones
for
the
remainder
of
the
meeting
and
roll
call.
Please.
B
D
B
A
A
D
A
A
living
area
with
a
one-car
garage
which
equals
2,
2015
9
square
feet
and
results
near
like
coverage
of
forty-four
percent
upper
sections,
12
point
200.0,
30
b,
point
1
and
12
point
200.00
a
2
and
12
200
030
b3
of
a
san
berdo
Municipal
Code,
the
applicant
is
Patrick
Mara
and
a
staff
report
place.
Thank.
E
You
good
evening,
chair
Johnson
and
members
of
the
Commission.
The
application
is
for
a
second
story,
addition
to
a
house,
it's
located
at
131
Anza
way.
This
house
originally
had
a
floor
area
of
1123
square
feet.
The
current
owner
didn't
edition
of
746
square
feet
back
in
1996.
That
was
before
the
Commission
at
that
time,
for
the
expansion
and
also
for
a
minor
modification
to
continue
with
existing
3
foot
setback,
so
that
previous
edition
from
1996
is
included
in
our
current
calculation
for
the
expansion
or
area.
E
The
current
proposal
is
for
468
square
foot
addition,
so
that
would
create
a
second
floor
to
the
existing
one
story
home.
The
application
also
includes
a
new
second-story
terrace,
which
is
located
off
that
new
second-story
master
bedroom
suite
and
is
located
approximately
in
the
center
of
the
roof.
So
the
project
is
before
you
for
three
reasons
this
evening.
The
first
is
that
they're,
proposing
2059
square
feet
of
living
area
with
a
one-car
garage
as
you're
aware
at
the
threshold
with
a
one-car
garage,
is
1825
square
feet.
E
The
second
reason
before
you
it's
over
the
fifty
percent
expansion
and
floor
area
and
again
that
does
include
the
previous
edition
from
1996.
And
thirdly,
it
is
slightly
over
the
lock
coverage
requirement
and
that's
actually
an
existing
condition.
They
have
in
a
covered
patio
to
the
rear
of
the
house
and
it's
just
barely
over
and
so
we're
making
that
official.
E
With
this
application
as
well,
staff
worked
with
the
applicant
quite
a
bit
in
developing
their
application
in
terms
of
how
much
floor
area
would
be
appropriate
with
a
one-car
garage
and
then
also
in
regards
to
the
design
considerations,
and
so
they
did
make
quite
a
few
changes
to
get
to
architectural
review
and
then
also
to
get
to
this
point
this
evening.
So
staff
does
now
find
with
those
changes
that
the
addition
is
well
integrated
into
the
existing
house
and
it
would
be
compatible
and
consistent
with
the
neighborhood.
E
E
At
that
time
they
concurred
with
staffs
recommendations
for
the
design
which
the
applicant
agreed
to
implement,
and
the
art
committee
also
thought
that
time
that
the
living
area
of
2059
square
feet
are
just
over
2,000
is
an
appropriate
size
with
a
one-car
garage
at
that
location,
and
there
were
a
couple
of
considerations
that
went
into
that
discussion.
First
of
all,
there
really
is
ample
street
parking
on
anza
way.
It's
not
particularly
parking
impacted.
E
They
do
have
a
driveway
that
can
accommodate
two
small
cars
or
or
at
least
one
car
in
their
driveway,
and
they
have
shown
pictures
to
staff
that
show
that
their
vehicles,
their
vehicle,
does
fit
into
the
garage
that
they
have
currently.
Secondly,
when
they
did
that
addition
in
1996,
they
actually
relocated
the
kitchen
and
did
quite
a
bit
of
work
on
the
inside.
E
So
the
kitchen
is
now
actually
immediately
behind
the
garage,
and
so
they
would
have
had
to
really
substantially
reshape
the
entire
floor
plan
of
the
house
to
be
able
to
provide
the
side
by
side
garage
which,
in
fact,
in
this
case,
would
be
very
difficult
to
fit
or,
like
we've,
sometimes
seen
in
this
style
house.
The
tandem
garage
and
would
have
meant
relocating
their
kitchen.
So
the
combination
of
those
factors,
the
architectural
review
committee
and
staff-
does
think
that
this
is
an
appropriate
amount
of
living
area
with
the
one
car
garage.
E
Staff
send
a
courtesy,
notice
and
legal
notice
to
neighbors.
We
have
not
heard
any
concerns.
We
did
get
a
letter
of
support
from
the
next
door
neighbor,
particularly
in
regards
to
the
second
story
window.
There
had
been
some
discussion
along
the
way
about
whether
that
would
be
a
bay
window,
but
staff
recommended
a
regular
window
in
the
next
door.
E
A
F
Good
evening
my
name
is
Albert
buzzer,
Z
and
actually
we've
been
living
in
this
house
for
16
years
at
that
time.
Unfortunately,
when
we
did
the
addition,
we
didn't
have
the
third
kids
at
that
time,
and
we
actually
would
appreciate
the
approval
of
having
this
addition,
because
we
have
three
kids,
that
they
are
staying
home
and
they
going
to
the
cappuccino
school
and
that
if
you
study
school
and
that's
why
we
needed
this
extra
space.
Basically
thank.
A
A
The
next
item
on
the
agenda
is
Smith
Lane
and
it's
a
request
for
a
parcel
map
of
the
subdivision
of
one
log
into
three
Lots,
a
plant
unit
permit
for
the
development
of
three
new
homes
per
Section.
Twelve
point:
twenty
twelve
point:
eighty
eight
and
twelve
point
1
16
of
the
San
Bernardino
visible
code
and
a
staff
report.
Please.
H
Thank
you.
The
item
before
you
as
a
request
for
a
personal
mop
and
a
planned
unit
permit
to
allow
the
development
of
three
new
single-family
homes.
Subject.
Site
is
located
along
sneath
lane.
It
is
currently
a
vacant
site
of
about
17,000
425
square
feet.
There
are
existing
single-family
homes
to
the
rear
of
the
site
in
the
city's
pump
station
to
the
west
of
the
site
to
prepare
the
site
for
the
planned
development,
the
applicant
would
be
required
to
remove
approximately
21
eucalyptus
trees,
as
you
know
it
on
your
site
inspection.
H
This
is
pretty
heavily
wooded
site
at
this
point
also
noted
a
condition
of
approval
that
would
require
a
clear
area
around
the
houses
to
be
maintained
for
the
fire
department
as
a
condition
of
approval,
so
that
would
require
all
these
eucalyptus
trees
to
be
removed.
The
applicant
as
I
indicate,
is
requesting
a
plan.
H
Munich
commit
to
allow
a
little
bit
more
creative
site
planning
to
encourage
a
cluster
development
at
this
site
and
what
that
pupae
would
allow
would
be
reduced
lot
size
for
each
of
the
new
single-family
residences,
as
well
as
reduced
setbacks,
and
what
you're
getting
in
exchange
for
that
reduced
lot.
Size
and
reduce
setbacks
is
about
12,000
square
feet
in
open
space,
so
each
parcel
created
would
be
just
for
the
single-family
homes
and
then
the
rest
of
the
area
around
it
would
be
maintained
as
common
open
space.
H
So
they
would
be
establishing
a
homeowner's
association
as
well
as
CCN
ours,
to
maintain
that
common
open
space.
As
you
noted
on
the
landscape
plan
to
the
east
of
the
property
of
the
homes,
there's
a
small
little
area
that
would
then
be
kind
of
a
common
gathering
place
a
landscaped
feature
for
all
the
homeowners
to
enjoy
the
architecture.
Review
committee
reviewed
this
the
home
design,
as
well
as
the
site.
Look
at
the
October
15th
maiden
the
committee
recommended
adding
to
guest
parking
spaces
and
the
applicant
was
able
to
revise
the
plan.
H
H
We
have
the
color
board,
as
well
as
a
color
sample
and
I
think.
Actually
one
of
the
our
committee
members
actually
wanted
happier
colors
or
brighter
colors.
So
the
applicant
has
prepared
a
few
different
options
for
your
consideration
on
the
board.
Is
the
original
proposed
colors
and
then
he's
prepared
three
different
alternatives
for
your
review
and
consideration
and
as
well
as
I
indicated
that
trellis
feature
has
been
added
to
the
middle
building.
H
The
architect
has
also
reviewed
the
landscape
plan
to
incorporate
trees
that
are
more
appropriate
for
San
Bruno's
climate
and
staff
would
like
to
add
a
condition
of
approval
to
require
that
all
the
new
trees
planted
be
at
least
24
inch
box
size
trees.
So
that
would
be
a
condition
in
addition
to
the
ones
that
you
have
in
front
of
you,
and
we
would
add
that
condition
under
the
plan
unit.
Permit.
H
C
Done
they
have
to
have
a
extension
if
it's
permitted
at
all
by
staff
approval,
and
so
my
question
is
in
in
this
document,
under
the
planned
unit,
finding
number
7,
it
says
the
applicant
demonstrated
they
plan
to
obtain
a
building
permit
in
six
months
and
tend
to
complete
construction
within
a
reasonable
time.
Will
there
be
a
time
certain
for
the
permit
for
this
work?
The.
H
C
B
We
we
could
amend
it,
but
the
actual
the
PU
p
finding
is
actually
straight
out
of
our
municipal
code.
Those
are
the
findings
you
have
to
make
for
4p,
you
p,
so
what
we
could
do
is
add
in
it
at
an
additional
finding
that
basically
states
that
they
will
also
build
it
within
once
they
pull
a
building
permit.
They
will
build
it
within
the
time
frame
specified
within
the
code.
C
B
C
H
A
G
Good
evening,
commissioners
I
didn't
really
prepare
anything
I,
hope
the
drawings
and
the
boards,
and
so
on,
speak
for
themselves.
So
if
you
have
any
direct
questions,
I'd
be
happy
to
answer
them.
There's
one
thing
that
we
wanted
to
add
about
the
the
green
design
is
I
talked
to
the
owner
and
we're
probably
going
to
pursue
doing
photovoltaics
on
the
roof,
since
two
of
the
units
have
really
good
southern
exposure
and
pitched
roofs,
and
then
the
middle
unit
would
probably
do
something
on
the
on
the
eastern
side.
A
C
C
A
D
D
A
I
You
and
good
evening,
as
stated,
the
applicant
has
applied
for
a
use
permit
to
locate
a
limousine
service
within
the
m1
industrial
zoning
district.
The
site
is
located
on
the
east
side
of
montgomery
avenue
between
atlantic
avenue
and
scott
street.
It's
a
5,000
square
foot
parcel
and
is
developed
with
a
2500
square-foot
warehouse.
The
warehouse
is
set
50
feet
back
from
the
front
property
line,
so
is
located
on
the
rear
half
of
a
lot
and
a
front
half
a
lot.
I
There
is
four
parking
spaces,
as
well
as
a
to
landscaping
strips
which
total
400
square
feet,
which
immunity
which
actually
meet
the
municipal
code
requirements
for
landscaping
in
this
district.
The
applicant
currently
operates
a
limousine
service
called
quick
silver
town
car
service
and
they
operate
out
of
San
Francisco.
The
fleet
consists
of
eight
vehicles.
However,
it
is
important
to
note
that
there
are
two
full-time
drivers
that
take
their
work
vehicles
home.
So
at
the
subject
site
there
will
be
a
total
of
six
vehicles,
not
eight,
but
six
vehicles
at
the
side
I'm.
I
Regarding
employees,
there
will
be
one
dispatcher
who
will
be
present
during
all
hours
of
operation.
Additionally,
there
will
be
two
other
employees
who
will
be
present
during
weekdays
during
normal
business
hours
and
then
there's
also
one
part-time
bookkeeper.
That
will
be
there
three
or
four
times
a
week
I'm
when
analyzing
this
project
staff
really
took
a
close
look
at
the
existing
neighborhood
in
this
neighborhood
consist
of
some
single-family
homes
and
many
auto-related
uses,
and
when
you
go
out
to
that
neighborhood,
you
really
notice
that
parking
is
extremely
parking,
impacted
neighborhood,
so
parking
is
a
concern.
I
I
Also,
a
condition
of
approval
has
been
added,
prohibiting
any
washing
maintenance,
repair
or
bodywork
of
any
motor
vehicles
on
the
side,
staff
finds
that
the
limousine
business
is
consistent
with
the
intent
of
the
zoning
district
and
is
consistent
with
the
other
auto-related
uses
within
that
district.
With
that
staff
does
recommend
the
Planning
Commission
approve,
use,
permit
09
027
based
on
findings
effect
1
through
3
and
conditions
of
approval
1
through
18
I'm
available
to
answer
any
questions
that
you
may
have.
Thank.
G
My
name
is
Philip
macvean,
general
manager
of
Quicksilver
town
car
we've
operated
a
corporate
sedan
service
in
San
Francisco.
Since
1992
we
have
no
specialty
vehicles,
we
operate
six
lincoln
town
cars,
one
toyota
prius,
and
one
chevy,
suburban.
We've
had
this
fleet
level
for
about
seven
years,
I,
don't
anticipate
any
changes.
We
are
looking
to
move
closer
to
the
san
francisco
airport
and
have
covered
storage
for
all
of
our
vehicles.
F
A
A
E
You
the
application,
is
for
a
temporary
use
permit
for
a
construction
staging
area
in
the
city
parking
lot,
which
is
located
south
of
the
fire
station,
and
so
you
may
recall
that
the
municipal
code
was
amended
to
really
specify
that
a
construction
staging
area
did
need
to
be
approved
by
the
Planning
Commission.
That
was
a
change
made
in
2007,
so
we
haven't
seen
a
lot
of
these
applications
come
before
you,
but
you
have
the
authority
to
approve
a
construction
staging
area
for
up
to
one
year
under
the
Municipal
Code.
E
The
applicant
is
under
contract
with
the
city
to
do
the
landscape
improvements
to
the
medians
on
el
camino,
real
you've
probably
seen
this
project
happening.
The
applicant
in
fact
was
not
originally
aware
that
the
temporary
use
permit
was
required,
and
so
they
have
been
using
that
southeast
corner
of
the
parking
lot
since
approximately
July
24,
and
so
they
have
complied
now.
E
That
they're,
aware
of
the
situation
and
we've
been
coordinating
with
them,
as
well
as
with
our
own
internal
city
staff,
to
make
sure
that
the
process
is
followed
completely,
and
so
they
are
proposing
to
use
the
seven
parking
spaces
that
are
in
the
southeast
corner,
since
they
have
been
using
it
now.
For
some
time
we
have
seen
that
they
have
kept
the
site
very
clean
and
we
have
not
received
any
concerns
or
complaints
from
any
of
the
neighbors.
So
staff
does
have
some
confidence
at
this
time
that
it
can
go
forward
in
an
appropriate
fashion.
E
So,
due
to
the
high
visibility
of
this
location,
we
have
included
several
strict
conditions.
Specifically,
we've
asked
that
the
site
be
cleaned
on
a
daily
basis.
We've
specified
that
they
cannot
store
any
building
materials
or
plants.
Only
the
equipment
can
be
stored
at
that
location,
and
we've
also
specified
that
there
should
be
no
maintenance
of
the
equipment
on
the
site.
The
project
is
expected
to
be
completed
in
March
of
2010.
E
However,
staff
would
recommend
approving
the
temporary
use
permit
through
July
of
2010
in
case
of
any
unforeseen
conditions,
and
this
would
be
one
year
from
the
time
that
they
actually
started
the
construction
project,
and
so
we
also
have
added
a
condition
since
we're
not
sure
exactly
when
it
will
end
that
they
remove
all
equipment
and
clean
the
site
within
14
days
of
the
completion
of
the
project,
and
so
staff
would
recommend
approval
of
a
temporary
use
permit
based
on
findings
1
through
3
and
subject
to
conditions,
one
through
seven
I'm
available
for
questions.
Thank.
B
A
D
A
D
A
D
A
B
Thank
you,
as
as
the
Planning
Commission
remembers
just
a
few
short
weeks
ago,
the
Planning
Commission
and
the
City
Council
met
in
a
joint
format
to
review
the
residential
design
guidelines.
The
draft
version
I
was
not
there
at
the
meeting,
but
I
heard
that
Lord
did
an
excellent
job
in
my
place,
presenting
the
residential
design
guidelines
and
where
we've
got
to
through
to
this
point
through
a
subcommittee
process.
That
includes
two
planning
commissioners,
as
well
as
to
City
Council
members,
and
because
it
was
a
short
timeframe,
a
study
session.
B
We
were
able
to
get
through
the
document
itself,
but
not
to
the
policy
changes
that
were
recommended
by
the
subcommittee.
That
would
both
make
this
a
more
effective
document,
as
well
as
a
document,
that's
consistent
with
the
Municipal
Code.
So
there
are
three
areas
where
we
are
recommending
policy
change
or
code
changes.
We
did
get
the
same
presentation
to
the
city
council
last
week
and
they
provided
us
with
feedback
and
feel
free
to
stop
me
at
any
time.
B
If
you
have
any
questions
or
if
you
want
to
give
me
feedback
and
want
any
one
of
the
individual
policies.
The
first
has
to
do
with
a
consistency.
Finding
and
not
many
people
in
san
bruno
know
that
not
all
editions
or
exterior
modifications
to
a
single
family
or
to
the
family
homes
actually
have
to
go
through
an
architectural
review
process.
I
would
say
only
about
ten
to
twenty
percent
of
them
have
to
do
that.
That's
only
if
they
require
minor
modification
if
they
require
you
sperm
enters
something
that
requires
discretionary
review.
B
If
not,
it
goes
straight
to
a
building
permit
somewhat
unique
about
San
Bruno,
although
our
planners
do
our
best
to
recommend
changes
during
the
building
permit
process
that
would
make
it
more
potential
architectural
e
compatible,
there's
nothing
than
within
the
code
that
states
that
the
homeowner
would
have
to
implement
these
changes.
So
what
we
one
of
the
first
recommendations
in
subcommittee
was
that
these
residential
design
guidelines
should
apply
to
any
homeowner.
That's
proposing
exterior
changes
to
the
home,
so
anyone
that's
changing
the
look
of
their
home
or
bumping
out.
B
In
addition,
something
that
would
change
the
appearance
they
would
have
to
be
compatible.
The
residential
design
guidelines,
in
the
way
that
this
would
occur,
is
amending
the
municipal
code
to
say
that
any
addition
or
any
exterior
change
that
requires
a
building
permit,
requires
the
Community
Development
Director
to
make
a
finding
that
that
design
is
consistent
with
the
basic
design
principles
within
the
minute
within
the
residential
design
guidelines
and
the
reason
the
subcommittee
and
staff
feels
that
this
is
a
good
route
to
go.
Is
that
number
one
it
gives
teeth
to
the
residential
design?
B
Guilin
actually
put
something
within
our
municipal
code
that
someone
on
staff
for
lower
level
additions
actually
has
to
make
that
finding,
but
at
the
same
time
it
allows
flexibility
so
that
the
homeowner
doesn't
have
to
meet
each
letter
within
the
residential
design
line
design
guidelines.
It
just
has
to
make
the
general
spirit
or
intent
of
the
design
guidelines.
So
that's
the
first
half
of
this
area.
The
second
is
that
the
same
finding
would
be
applied
to
things
to
items
that
are
heard
by
the
architectural
review
committee
or
the
Planning
Commission.
B
B
Okay,
we,
what
we
will
do
is
that
was
a.
It
was
basically
a
written
form
of
what
I'm
saying
what
I'm
giving
the
presentation
of
night
showing
what
the
Polish,
what
the
policy
changes
and
the
reason
behind
the
policy
change.
What
we
will
do
is
include
it
when
we
actually
take
these
code
amendments
and
the
residential
design
guidelines
to
the
Planning
Commission
will
also
provide
you
with
that
table.
I
apologize
for
that,
but
not
not
being
in
there.
B
B
B
Within
the
current
code,
there's
two
landscaping
requirements
or
two
impervious
surface
requirements.
The
first
is
that
you
have.
You
can't
have
more
than
eighty
percent
of
pervious
surface
within
your
lot
and
what
for
people
listening
at
home
before
the
Planning
Commission
stake,
impervious
surface
doesn't
allow
rain
water
to
drain
into
it.
Pervious
surface
is
landscaped
area
or
some
type
of
pavers
that
actually
allows
rain
water
to
drain
into
the
ground.
B
So
we
have
the
eighty
percent
requirement,
but
that
applies
to
the
entire
lot,
so
you
could
actually
meet
that
twenty
percent
pervious
surface
requirement
anywhere
with
on
within
your
lot,
which
leads
to
a
lot
of
homes
in
San
bernot
a
lot,
but
in
certain
areas
a
lot
of
homes
in
san
bruno
completely
concrete
front
yards.
This
has
to
this
leads
to
two
problems:
eh,
it's
a
drain
on
our
stormwater
system.
By
having
this
every
all
the
rainwater
go
directly
to
our
stormwater
system,
which
is
which
is
older.
B
You
know
you're
putting
a
lot
of
burden
on
that
system
and
there
from
an
aesthetic
standpoint.
It's
not
something
that
we
encourage
within
the
city
to
have
a
completely
concrete
front
yard
and
have
not
have
landscaping
and
pervious
materials
in
there.
So
with
that
in
law.
With
that
in
mind,
the
residential
design
guidelines
proposed
requirements,
and
we
are
proposing
three
different
options.
B
The
first
two
options
would
actually
amend
the
municipal
code
and
require
that,
even
if
we
came
across
a
case
where
someone
already
has
asked
the
completely
concrete
in
the
front
yard,
the
city
would
have
the
ability
to
actually
make
them
change
that
to
meet
these
requirements.
So
the
first
is
that
you
would
have
to
amend
it
so
that
there
has
to
be
pervious
surface
material
within
the
front
yard,
but
it
would
not
specify
that
it
has
to
be
living
Lance
landscaping
material,
but
it
could
be
pavers
or
something
along
those
lines.
B
The
second
option
would
say
be
about
the
same,
but
it
would
also
say
that
that
has
to
be
living
plant
material
so
that
certain
that
all
of
it
would
have
to
be
living
plant
material
and
the
third
option
would
say
you
keep
it
in
the
residential
design
guidelines.
But
you
don't
actually
amend
a
municipal
code,
so
it
would
be
more
of
a
slow
progress
where
you
would
only
be
able
to
influence
the
applications
that
are
before
you
and
not
problem
areas
within
the
city
to
relay
the
City
Council's
recommendation
on
this.
B
We
enforce
the
current
Municipal
Code.
So
with
that
those
are
recommended
changes.
The
next
step
with
this
is
after
we
get
your
three
get.
Your
direction
will
make
the
changes
that
were
recommended
at
the
joint
study
session
and
then
take
it
through
the
approval
process,
which
includes
back
to
the
Planning
Commission,
for
both
the
design
guidelines
and
the
municipal
code
changes
and
then
to
the
City
Council
for
final
approval.
So
we
could
take
any
questions.
Thank.
F
The
track,
commissioner,
my
question
is
towards
the
third
option,
which
is
lost
track
of
each
option
I'm
talking
about,
but
essentially
the
idea
is
that
if
someone
decides
that
they're
going
to
not
plant
grass
and
not
grow
anything
on
it,
but
that
topsoil
is
exposed
or
they
do
zero
scaping.
How
is
that
calculation
allocated
I
mean
it
seems
like
if
someone
decides
I'm
gonna,
totally
neglect
my
lawn?
Oh,
my
front
yard
and
I'm
trying
to
figure
out
how
that
works.
That.
B
Would
that's
a
that's
a
good
question,
something
we
would
have
to
work
out
within
the
code.
I
believe
performance
standards
for
commercial
require
that
the
landscape
being
actually
be
living
landscaping.
We
also
have
requirements
within
our
municipal
code
related
to
you
know,
tall
grass
and
dead
grass
when
it
comes
to
the
fire
season,
but
I
think
that's
the
recommendation
that
we
could
take
that
if
someone
does
want
to
do
you
know
zero
scaping
or
they
do
want
to
do.
You
can't
just
have
a
dirt
front
yard
to
meet
the
requirement
I.
F
B
Will
the
way
the
City
Council
move
forward
with
it
is
that
they
said
they
wanted
to
see
some
living
some
living
plant
material
there?
What
they
really
want
to
see
and
what
we're
going
to
address
within
the
zoning
code
as
we
do
our
whole
sustainability
audit
within
the
zoning
code
is
that
it
be
a
native
drought-tolerant
landscaping,
something
that
may
not
actually
require
irrigation
or,
if
you
know
at
most
requires
minimal
drip
irrigation
or
something
that's
easy
to
maintain.
B
So
I
think
that
if
we
did
do
something
like
you're
saying
and
actually
something
similar
to
what
the
City
Council's
said
is
like
they'd
like
to
see
some
mixture.
So
if
you
did
want
to
have
some
bar
for
some
rocks
in
your
front
in
the
art
that
it
also
be
mixed
in
with
some
drought-tolerant
landscaping,
I.
F
D
F
The
water
is
going
to
drink
just
right
off
the
curb
into
the
into
the
storm
water
system,
but
if
I
create
in
such
a
way
that
I
can
make
some
swales
or
some
really
if
I
can
create
some
depressions
or
create
some
kind
of
environment
where
I
can
mitigate
water
from
running
off,
then
I'm
actually
satisfied
the
intent,
but
not
really
done
too
much
and
I'm
thinking
in
that
direction,
where
you
get
the
intent,
but
you
know
I
essentially
do
not
keep
recruiting
an
overburdening
situation.
Correct.
B
B
D
C
B
Yes,
it's
not
actually
a
certain
percentage
of
the
yard
lyst
that
you
could
use
this
parking,
but
it
dictates
where,
within
the
front
yard
that
you
could
park
you're
allowed
to
park
on
the
driveway
and
on
the
short
side
of
your
yard.
So
if
you,
if
you're
looking
at
a
home-
and
you
have
a
driveway
in
the
garage-
is
center
to
the
left
of
the
home
to
park
on
the
left
hand
side
but
not
able
to
park
on
the
wide
side
of
your
lot,
which
is
the
right
side.
C
They
could
hit
an
awful
lot
of
properties
in
san
bruno,
which
essentially
means
that
you
could
have
a
law.
That's
almost
asking
to
be
floated
simply
because
enforcement
is
totally
impractical,
not
to
mention
that
if
a
majority
of
the
citizens
that
were
affected
didn't
like
it,
you
just
end
up,
reversing
it
as
soon
as
you
put
it
out.
So
what
I
was
trying
to
think
of
was
how
can
you
do
some
of
these
approaches
and
have
them
be
practical.
C
One
of
the
things
I
would
suggest
is
staff
is
and
I
think
you've
done
probably
done
part
of
this,
but
not
just
in
their
thinking
on
Taylor
Street
there's
some
areas
that
are
all
concrete
in
front
of
the
residential
areas
and
in
those
cases
it's
almost
hard
to
see
anyone
coming
out
there
and
being
required
to
jackhammer
all
that
concrete.
So
the
first
instance
is
what,
if
you
have
virtually
the
entire
front
paved
already,
how
does
your
new
ordinance
affect
us.
C
B
Community
development
director
has
the
discretion
to
either
waive
the
requirement
or
reduce
the
requirement
on
a
case-by-case
basis,
and
this
is
because
you
have
many
homes
and
Taylor
that
have
maybe
five
foot,
seven
foot
setbacks,
or
just
one
of
them
in
you
know
some
of
a
lot
of
it.
Maybe
it's
just
25
foot
wide
lot,
where
a
lot
of
its
dedicated
to
a
pathway
or
some
way
they
actually
get
to
the
home.
Where
would
it
be
practical
to
have
sixty-five
percent
or
whatever
percentage
landscaping
within
the
front
yard?
B
So
I
think
that
would
reduce
the
number
of
cases
that
we
would
actually
have
to
take
on.
I
think
the
vents
analogy
is
probably
the
best
one
when
we
amended
our
fence
codes
when
a
fence
goes
have
been
amended
throughout
the
years.
It
has
left
a
lot
of
fences
with
in
san
bruno
inconsistent
with
the
fence
code
and
we
typically
only
enforce
those
our
code
enforcement
division
is
on
a
complaint
basis,
so
we
only
enforce
those
when
we
get
a
complaint
or
we
we
see
something,
that's
caught
it
causing
a
problem.
B
So
I
think
we
would
take
the
same
approach
to
this
or,
if
it
would
say
there
was
storm
water
problems
within
the
immediate,
immediate
neighborhood
in
terms
of
capacity.
I
think
that
we
would
have
to
go
and
take
a
look
at
what's
causing
those
problems
that
that
ended
up
being
the
homes.
We'd
have
to
find
some
way
to
mitigate
that.
Well,.
F
C
I
just
had
a
couple
more
good.
If
I
could
how
about
there,
there
are
quite
a
few
places
that
are
not
paved,
but
people
are
parking
vehicles
in
a
way
that
doesn't
meet
the
allowable
residential
parking
on
this
figure.
That
staff
provided
is
that
one
that
you
would
approach
only
on
a
complaint
basis
also.
B
We
typically
yes,
and
what
what
what
usually
happens
is
will
get
neighborhood
complaints
that
basically
say
I'm
tired
of
everyone
on
my
block
parking.
This
way,
can
you
please
go
out
there
and
then
we'll
go
out
there
and
we'll
tag
the
homes
would
notice
to
complies,
and
generally
that
solves
a
problem
for
a
while
till
it
until
it
comes
back.
You
know.
Part
of
the
problems
in
those
neighborhoods
are
lack
of
parking
because
people.
B
Some
of
it,
you
know
over
the
years.
If
we
enforce
this
rule
will
be
the
struggle,
won't
be
there
anymore,
because
it's
more
difficult
to
park
over
a
slight
landscaped
area
than
it
would
be
to
park
over
even
most
of
those
areas
that
people
park
in
the
front
yard,
some
of
them
may
be
dirt.
Some
may
be
dead
lon,
but
a
lot
of
them
are
the
ones
that
have
been
come.
Our
concrete.
C
It
almost
seems
to
be
unreasonable
on
the
face.
Thank
you
and
I
think
I.
Think
generally
I
was
on
I
am
on
the
committee.
That's
involved
with
this,
and
this
is
then
one
of
the
most
problematic
things
I'd
like
to
mention
it
to
the
Commission
as
a
whole.
When
we've
met
with
the
council
representatives
a
lot
of
times,
the
issue
has
been
well.
We
now
have
this
document
as
guidelines
for
for
good
development,
more
or
less.
C
But
the
question
immediately
comes:
is
our
people
going
to
look
at
this
and
say:
oh
that's,
nice
and
do
whatever
they
want,
or
is
there
going
to
be
some
kind
of
ordinance
that
says
they
have
to
pay
attention,
because
if
there
isn't
many
people
are
not
going
to
pay
any
attention
at
all
the
problem
being
that
it
brings
up
some
questions
like
this,
which
I
think
are
very
challenging.
I
thank
the
Commission
for
their
patience.
C
A
Okay,
I
have
a
question:
if
there
are
homeowners
who
purchased
their
homes
that
were
paved
fully
or
I
just
compromise
with
Annie
any
greenery,
is
there
any
opportunity
or
funds,
or
we
know
that
budgets
are
so
drastically
at
these
times,
but
is
there
anything
that
they
were
to
come
of
people
to
come
and
say
you
know
we
would
love
to
do
this?
We
need
support.
Is
there
anything
that
available
to
them?
I.
B
Don't
I'm
not
aware
of
any
fines,
I
mean
it.
There
are.
You
know,
through
a
redevelopment
agency,
if
they're
doing
larger
projects,
we
have
helped
out
with
construction
with
low
interest
loans
and
things
along
those
lines,
but
I
can't
think
of
anything
that
would
help
with
actually
breaking
up
concrete
and
landscaping
landscape.
In
turn,.
D
A
Sure,
oh
there's
so
much
criteria
around
around
be
knowledgeable
for
that
project,
but
you
don't
through
this
in
thinking,
oh
gee.
That
would
be
great
to
think
that
there
are,
as
a
community
of
will
say,
these
were
paved
by
you
know
back
years
ago
and
would
like
to
see
this
happen.
But
it
really
isn't
a
project.
That's
affordable
in
this
particular
time,
so
hoping
that
there
was
some
redevelopment
of
sims
4
but
I'm
sure
that
if
there
was
you'd
bring
it
to
our
attention
and.
B
They
our
policy,
is
that
you
know
you
have
to
have
an
encroachment
permit
you're
actually
to
storm
this
street,
but
we
generally
don't
bow
an
encroachment
permit
to
go
for
that
long.
We
allow
them
to
be
within
the
driveway
while
they
have
an
active
permit
or
honor
or
they're
in
the
process
of
getting
a
building
permit
and
you
to
store
things
during
the
construction
process.
Okay,.
B
D
D
What
can
we
do
to
encourage
sustainable
landscaping
limit
lawn
areas?
You
know
what
what
items
can
we
add
to
this
I
mean
we're
giving
it
I
agree
with
going
with
changing
the
code,
so
that
there's
some
teeth
to
this.
But
what
can
we
do?
In
addition
to
that?
To
encourage
people
to
use
sensible
landscaping,
I.
B
So
I
mean
it's
going
to
be
a
real
chance
to
take
a
look
at
everything
from
a
sustainability
point
of
view
and
do
the
sustainability
audit
and
see
where
we're
missing
right
now,
where
we
could
do
better
and
don't
be
the
leaders
within
that
area
and
a
lot
of
it
would
be.
It
could
be
no
way
you
can't.
You
can't
have
long
in
your
front
yard
or
you
can
have
a
certain
percentage,
along
with
in
your
front
yard,
and
the
rest
has
to
be
drought-tolerant
landscaping.
B
D
Well,
just
my
opinion,
I'd
be
in
a
favor
of
item
1
and
2,
combined
together
with
with
some
sort
of
promotion
of
sustainable
landscaping,
the
limit
on
lawns-
or
you
know,
maybe
the
community
development
director
having
some
latitude
to
approve
creative
designs.
You
know
someone
make
him
up
with
something
new
or
something
different
and
there
should
be
some
latitude
for
you
to
work
with
that.
D
D
A
There
any
other
comments
or
questions
for
for
staff.
My
last
question
is
on.
There
is
quite
a
sore
this
new
trend
towards
I,
don't
want
to
say
at
the
Turf
that
you
type
of
grass
it's
been
many
of
the
fairs
they
are
presented
in
golf
courses
in
football
fields.
Has
there
have
been
any
any
projects
in
san
bruno
that
have
there
that
are
visible
to
the
public
and
what's
your
thinking
around
it,
yeah.
B
I
I
haven't
seen
I,
know,
I've
heard
of
people
with
in
san
bruno
installing
and
I
know
that
it's
becoming
more
and
more
popular
I,
don't
know
offhand
of
any
of
the
addresses
or,
if
there's
been
any
any
of
it
done
within
the
front
yards
of
the
most
familiar
with
it,
seeing
it
on
the
football
fields
and
soccer
fields,
and
it
really
does
I
mean
I
think
it
is.
You
know
the
when
cities
start
to
regulate
the
amount
of
long
that
you
could
have
due
to
water
issues
or.
B
C
C
D
B
Alright,
the
first
is
an
update
on
current
developments.
This
is
something
I
presented
to
the
City
Council
about
a
month
ago,
just
to
I
know.
The
Planning
Commission
has
requested
that
we
follow
up
on
some
developments
that
you've
approved
to
give
you
the
status
of
them,
and
it's
it's
a
as
the
Planning
Commission
nose
during
the
boom
between
2002
and
I'd,
say
2007.
B
The
Planning
Commission
and
city
council
approved
over
1500
units
within
San
Bruno,
most
of
those
most
of
those
were
built,
but
another
none
of
a
number
of
them
have
been
paused
at
this
point
that
are
not
going
forward.
Some
are
under
construction
right
now,
but
moving
slowly.
It
seems
like
the
number.
One
thing
that
you
hear
is
not
so
much
a
demand
based
situation
right
now,
but
lending
just
isn't
there,
especially
for
the
larger
developments.
B
So
I'll
take
you
through
about
10
different
developments
here
quickly,
because
you
could
stop
me
at
any
time
and
I'm,
starting
with
the
one
of
the
smaller
ones.
The
first
is
peace,
lutheran
church
site.
This
is
just
north
of
the
intersection
of
san
bruno
avenue
in
glenview.
It's
where
the
church
is.
They
were
proposing
to
subdivide
their
property
and
build
five
new
homes.
It
almost
made
it
to
the
architectural
review
level.
B
Unfortunately,
at
the
last
second
about
a
month
ago,
the
applicant
decided
not
to
move
forward
with
the
project,
so
there
is
no
project
at
this
time,
but
what
the
church
is
proceeding
to
do
most
likely,
as
do
the
lot
split
themselves,
to
set
it
up
for
a
developer,
so
they
can
sell
that
parcel
and
they
said
that
they
do
have
people
that
may
be
interested
in
ultimately
developing
the
five
homes
on
the
site.
So
that's
something
you
may
see.
The
second
is
cedar
grove
town
homes.
B
As
you
know,
this
is
on
the
corner
of
cedar
and
pepper.
What
ended
up
being
ashley?
It's
not
townhomes.
It
started
as
townhomes.
It
ended
up
the
single-family
homes,
rather
very
large,
large
homes,
although
a
lot
of
it
was
a
basement
area.
This
one,
the
developer,
who
presented
to
you,
is
no
longer
in
business
as
a
developer.
Like
many
midsize
or
small
developers,
they
didn't
weren't
able
to
withstand
the
current
economy.
They
were
out
of
the
Central
Valley
and
a
majority
of
Central
Valley
construction
and
development.
B
Businesses
are
no
longer
in
existence,
so
this
was
one
that
fell
victim
to
the
current
economy.
The
developer
is
now
the
development
itself.
The
approvals
itself
are
now
for
sale
for
2.7
million
dollars
and
they're
shopping.
The
project,
the
churches.
My
guess
is
that
when
this
project
does
come
back
and
it
will
come
back
at
some
point-
is
that
it's
going
to
be
for
smaller
homes.
B
A
good
thing
is
that
we've
seen
a
trend
nationwide
that
where
people
were
proposing
three
to
five
thousand
square-foot
homes
during
the
boom
because
of
energy
costs
because
of
construction
costs
and
because
the
sustainability
people
are
generally
going
back
down
to
more
traditional
sizes.
You
know
at
least
under
2,400
square
feet
somewhere
around
that
or
below
2,000
square
feet.
B
Third
project
is
also
around
the
same
size
and
next
door
to
that
peace,
lutheran
church
project,
it's
on
the
corner
of
glenview
asst
glenview
and
san
bruno
avenue
little
over
an
acre
in
size
and
the
Planning
Commission
over
three
years
ago
now
approved
the
Glen
View
Terrace
project.
There
was
an
extension
of
the
approval
given
believe
last
year.
We
have
this.
We
have
seen
very
little
activity,
it's
also
for
sale
for
three
about
three
million
dollars
for
the
16
units.
They're
rather
large
units
and
I
would
also
guess,
with
this
one.
B
You'll
see
them
come
back
and
downsize
the
homes
when
they
actually
proposed
them.
Skycrest
also
near
there
24
single-family
homes
were
approved.
Here's
an
example
of
one
on
the
photograph
within
the
PowerPoint
12
have
been
constructed
about
half
of
been
sold
a
little
less
than
half
have
been
sold.
The
others
have
been
rented
out
so
they're
fully
occupied.
The
developer
also
came
back
and
requested
an
extension,
and
they
do
have
an
extension.
B
He
thinks
that
the
market
may
turn
around
around
2012
and
that's
when
he's
expected
to
go
forward
again
the
12
additional
homes
and
start
construction
there
downtown
cinema
site.
This
is
probably
our
the
project
the
planners
were
most
excited
about.
This
is
to
tear
down
a
bank
building,
as
well
as
two
bars
next
door,
build
15,000
square
feet
of
retail,
as
well
as
48
condominiums
like
most
developers.
The
the
problem
is
that
there's
lending
there's
lending
issues.
We
have
seen
some
recent
activity
with
this
one,
even
a
phone
call
today.
B
That's
it
appears
that
something
may
be
coming
through
in
terms
of
investments
where
people
used
to
get
London
is
lending
from.
You
know
eighty
seventy
percent
of
their
lending
from
American
banks,
the
banks-
aren't
lending
big
projects
like
this,
so
you're
either
having
to
find
out
of
the
country
banks.
Are
you
having
to
find
private
investors
to
make
up
that
difference
so,
right
now,
the
developer
is
out
of
con.
B
B
Park
plant
Plaza
condominium
conversion.
This
is
on
Whitman
way.
It's
actually
interesting
one.
This
is
one
that
was
apartment.
Complex
built
in
the
60s
was
approved
to
go
to
condominiums
during
the
late
80s
I
mean
during
their
early
80s,
when
there
was
a
big
condominium
craze,
including
the
shelter
creek,
well
shelter
creek
came
online
and
was
right
across
the
street
at
the
same
time
as
this.
So
after
this
was
after
this
project
received
approval,
they
got
to
approvals.
B
They
got
their
map
approval
the
tentative
map,
approval
which
allows
them
to
subdivide
the
actual
units
they
kept
that
on
file,
but
they
repealed
their
use
permit,
which
is
their
local
approval,
so
that
they
could
get
back
some
of
the
fees
that
were
associated
with
that
well
now,
they're
coming
forward
again
with
their
use
permit
requests
to
meet
their
local
requirements,
they're
doing
a
number
of
upgrades
to
the
front
of
the
building.
This
will
come
to
you
within
the
next
couple
months.
B
The
thing
to
note
you
know
there's
also
a
lot
of
concern
about
longtime
residents.
Our
code
is
actually
pretty
good
and
covering
residents
if
you're,
a
senior
citizen
or
you're
disabled
you're
able
to
stay
in
there
for
a
number
of
years
without
having
rate
increases.
If
you
choose
to
stay,
you
also
have
first
right
to
purchase
the
units
if
you
live
within
their.
If
you
choose
to
move,
the
developer
has
to
pay
for
four
months
of
living.
Expenses
is
four
months
of
rent,
as
well
as
your
moving
expenses.
B
So
there's
a
lot
of
things
built
within
there
to
encourage
the
developer
to
keep
the
current
residence
and
offer
them
affordable
prices
to
purchase
the
unit
rather
than
just
making
everyone
leave.
As
this
converts
the
miramonte
subdivision,
this
one
is
70
single-family
homes
built
on
the
former
Carl
Sandburg
site.
This
actually
has
gone
forward.
All
the
building
permits
have
been
pulled
about
half
of
been
sold.
They
expect
construction
to
finalize
within
the
next
year
or
so,
and
hopefully
all
the
homes
have
been
sold.
What's
interesting
about
this
one.
B
Is
it's
consistent
with
the
nationwide
trend
of
smaller
homes?
They
came
back
with
a
number
of
smaller
floor
plans
and
those
are
the
ones
that's
sold
right
away,
so
it
I
think
it
did
to
find
reduce
the
price
point
to
make
them
more
affordable,
but
people
are
generally
getting
used
to
smaller
homes
and
that's
what
the
developer
decided
to
go
forward
with
the
next
development
has
been
recently
named
acapella
at
the
crossing.
This
is
SN
Kay's
development.
B
The
second
is
a
hundred
and
eighty-seven
unit,
building
expected
sometimes
middle
of
next
year,
maybe
springtime
early
summer
of
next
year,
and
that
would
be
for
sale,
product
slightly
larger
units,
but
they're
all
quality
units
and
thanks
there's
a
lot
of
demand
for
rental
housing
still
within
the
crossing,
so
they're
excited
to
get
that
online
tree
tops
probably
our
most
troublesome
developments.
This
was
originally
approved
to
go
through
for
about
three
years
ago
to
go
from
a
308
unit
to
a
510
unit.
B
They
actually
tried
to
sell
the
project
for
a
while
that,
could
they
weren't
successful,
so
they
actually
want
to
go
forward
themselves
now
with
the
remodel
of
the
existing
308
units,
so
we're
working
with
them
right
now
on
building
code
issues
to
see
what
they
would
have
to
meet
in
terms
of
building
code.
So
we're
we're
doing
that
with
them
right
now
and
hopefully
that
will
the
neighborhood
will
see
some
positive
improvement
with
that
within
the
next
year
or
so
crossing
retail.
This
is
another
project.
B
That's
actually
just
broke
ground
and
under
construction,
12,000,
250
square
feet
or
retail
and
restaurant
space
about
5,400.
Of
that
space
has
already
been
leased
out
to
restaurant
call.
It's
going
to
be
called
jacks
at
San
Bruno,
it's
a
mark
of
VC
brothers,
who
are
the
local
family
that
good
three
brothers
that
grew
up
in
the
area
that
own
boulevard
cafe
in
daly
city.
This
is
going
to
be
their
higher
end.
Restaurant
and
they're
excited
about
moving
in
here.
B
It's
been
really
fun
to
work
with
them
and
see
their
project
go
forward
from
when
they
first
went
forward.
They
first
proposed
it
to
where
it
is
now
some
of
the
plans
that
have
been
promoted
proposed
and
the
type
of
interior
improvements
that
were
approved
by
the
City
Council
in
general.
In
regards
to
other
activity,
I
think
that
Planning
Commission
is
seen
that
agendas
that
used
to
be
full
of
67
use
permits
in
the
past
now
have
two
or
three
use
permits.
B
We're
averaging
over
the
last
two
years
about
forty
use
permits
a
year
where
it
was
about
80
use
permits
a
year
during
the
three
peak
years
of
2000,
say
middle
of
two
thousand
four:
five,
six
and
27.
So
we're
not
seeing
but
I
think
what
we're
seeing
is
people
who
were
doing
thousand-square-foot
additions
now
or
maybe
doing.
B
Two
three
hundred
square
foot
additions
and
remodeling
their
homes,
so
we
have
seen
a
decrease
in
building
permit
activity,
but
they're
still
building
permanent
construction
activity
out
there,
that's
just
less
dramatic
than
it
was
before
some
new
businesses
Hooters
is
opening
up
in
tanforan,
Planning
Commission
reviewed
that
application.
It's
expected
for
a
December
opening,
there's
also
a
store
called
romper
room,
which
is
a
kids
play
type
store.
B
That's
also
proposed
to
be
opening
the
building
permit
process
right
now
and
a
Brazilian
steakhouse
I
think
you
saw
that
as
an
application
is
proposed
in
the
downtown
area
to
where
the
old
kids
kuts
is
so
that's
kind
of
a
summary
of
the
ten
prod.
Ten
major,
I
believe,
is
ten
major
projects
in
san
bruno.
So
I
could
take
any
questions
that
you
have
at
this
time.