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San Bruno City Council Meeting May 13, 2014
8. Public Hearing: Proposed Garbage Rate Increase
A
Item
number:
eight
public
hearings:
we
have
a
couple
of
public
hearings
as
evening
hold
a
public
hearing
wave
the
first
reading
and
introduce
ordinances
as
presented
to
the
notice
of
proposed
garbage
and
organic
program
rate
increase
mail
to
all
property
owners
item,
a
as
an
ordinance
opposing
a
3.93
present
rate
increase
for
ecology,
san
bruno
garbage
and
recycling
services
to
be
effective
july.
First,
2014
marked.
We
need
to
do
these
separately.
A
C
I'm
still
a
techno
peasant
as
I
was
five
years
ago,
so
thanks
Dave
for
setting
me
up
mr.
mayor
members,
the
city
council,
as
indicated
the
purpose
for
the
public
hearing
is
consideration
on
the
council's
part
of
rate
increases
for
Recology
san
bruno
for
the
providing
of
garbage
and
recycling
services
in
san
bruno.
C
D
C
For
the
first
rate
increase,
there
are
really
several
components:
one
is
the
interim
rate
year
adjustment.
The
city
currently
has
a
franchise
agreement
with
bre
ecology,
san
bruno
for
providing
garbage
service,
that's
a
a
franchise
agreement
that
was
approved
back
in
1998
and
runs
through
2019
currently,
and
that
franchise
agreement
does
call
for
annual
rate
adjustments
to
be
considered
by
the
council
based
on
what's
called
either
an
into
interim
year
adjustment
or
a
detailed
year
adjustment.
The
one
before
you
is
an
interim
rate
adjustment
and
the
calculation
for
this
rate.
C
Adjustment
according
to
the
franchise
agreement,
is
2.1
three
percent
in
it.
In
addition,
for
the
july
increase,
there
is
an
additional
two
point:
two
four
percent
for
the
second
step
of
increases
to
cover
the
cost
of
introduction
of
the
organics
program
that
began
in
2013,
the
Ritz
2.24
percent
is
included,
and
there
is
a
slight
rate.
Adjustment
downward
because
of
the
rate
increase
last
year
was
over
a
10-month
period
and
you
annualize.
It
actually
lowers
the
rate
a
little
bit,
so
the
total
is
3.93
percent.
C
C
Even
though
again
that
that
is
not
not
a
requirement,
so
notice
was
sent
to
all
the
property
owners
again
accordance
with
proposition
218.
This
mailing
occurred
on
March
21st
and
that
included
the
time
and
date
and
location
of
this
public
hearing
allowing
according
to
218
protests
to
be
filed
in
the
in
the
packet.
You
will
see
there
are
a
total
of
42
protest
notifications
provided
by
residents
and
those
are
included
my
understanding
unless
there
were
some
late
additions
and
I'm.
C
C
The
the
second
ordinance
for
the
January
15
increase
covers
the
again.
The
third
step
of
the
organics
rate
increase
the
increased
costs
for
for
organics
back
in
2013.
In
considering
the
organics
program,
the
cost
adjustment
required
by
Recology
to
provide
the
upgraded
and
additional
services
was
and
total
of
eight
point.
Nine
six
percent.
The
City
Council
requested
that
time
that
that
total
adjustment
for
the
organics
be
implemented
in
three
steps.
And
again
that's
that's.
What
is
what
is
being
done?
C
I
would
like
to
answer
one
and
comment
on
on
the
other
and
again,
better
responses
might
come
from
from
from
the
company
included
in
the
staff
report
is
a
listing
of
a
long
list
of
cities
in
San,
Mateo
County
and
the
rates
for
a
32
gallon
Toder
and
which
it
reflects
san
bruno
being
sort
of
in
the
middle
of
the
pack
of
these
various
various
cities,
and
I
think
a
reasonable
question
is
well.
Why
are
we
in
the
middle
of
pack?
That's
not
bad,
but
why
aren't
we
at
the
bottom
of
the
pack?
Why
why?
C
I
was
meaning
congestion,
the
width
of
the
streets,
the
traffic
hilly
terrain,
anything
that
contributes
or
detracts
from
the
productivity
of
an
individual
collector
in
collecting
the
garbage
and
the
recyclables
has
a
material
impact
on
the
charge
for
for
that
service.
But
I
wanted
to
go
beyond
that
that
a
little
bit
and
and
look
at
the
lowest
rate
that's
listed
here,
Foster
City.
What
now,
why
would
foster
city
be
so
much
lower
than
san
san
bruno?
C
C
Disagreement
is
all
of
the
expenses
are
consolidated
with
all
of
the
cities
and
then
by
formula
the
costs
are
allocated
out
to
the
various
cities,
and
according
to
that
formula
that
is
pretty
complex
and
I
didn't
get
into
the
details
of
the
formula.
Foster
city
pays
much
less
than
anybody
else,
so
it
so
I
guess
the
question
is
well.
Why
doesn't
san
bruno
have
the
same
contract
that
this
waste
authority
has
well
again
within
the
formula
of
The
Waste
Authority
foster
city
is
the
lowest
cost
within
this
authority.
C
If
you
take
the
average
cost
of
the
eight
cities
on
this
chart
that
are
part
of
the
authority,
the
the
cost
is
actually
two
dollars
and
fifty
cents
a
month
more.
The
average
cost
of
all
of
these
cities,
so
Foster
Foster
City,
is
an
outlier.
It's
it
is.
It
is
different
and
there
are
a
couple
couple
of
reasons
why
that
would
be
one
again
foster
city
has
wider
streets,
no
Hills,
less
congestion.
C
The
authority
has
multi-family
included
as
commercial
business,
whereas
in
san
bruno
we
have
a
separate
category
for
multifamily
that
is
actually
lower
than
the
commercial.
The
effect
of
that,
if
you
look
at
the
rates
that
has
the
effect
of
having
a
higher
residential
rate
than
it,
otherwise
would
if
it
wasn't
structured
that
way,
there's
there's
not
a
right
or
wrong.
C
That
is
the
way
our
structure
is,
and
it's
different
and
the
third
thing
I
was
able
to
identify,
as
in
fact
in
foster
city
the
franchise
fee
that
is
paid
there
as
five
percent
in
san
bruno,
it's
ten
percent,
so
those
factors
lead
to
foster
city
being
significantly
lower
than
san
bruno,
but
significantly
lower
than
any
other
member
of
The
Waste
Authority.
Also,
so
it's
it's
not
a
factor
of
San
Bruno,
it's
a
factor
of
foster
city
being
different
than
everybody
else.
The
other.
C
The
other
question
that
I
heard
that
I
just
wanted
to
comment
on
again
is:
is
the
city
sufficiently
notifying
folks
in
san
bruno
of
the
of
the
hearing?
Tonight
and
again,
we
are
following
the
requirements
of
proposition
218
notification
of
property
owners
and
the,
and
there
is
a
process
where,
if
there
are
protests
received
from
fifty
percent
plus
one
of
the
property
owners,
the
city
council
would
actually
be
barred
from
taking
this
action
in
order
to
count
the
votes
or
count
the
protests.
C
We
are
notifying
the
property
owners
and
advising
them
how
to
protest.
If
account
holders
tenants,
other
people
were
given
an
equal
and
and
promoted
that
they
would
have
an
equal
voice
or
an
equal
protest.
It
would
be
somewhat
disingenuous
because,
according
to
the
prop
prop
18,
we
wouldn't
be
able
to
count
those
those
votes
in
the
first
place.
So
in
order
to
avoid
confusion
of
the
process,
it
seems
to
me
that
this
is
the
the
best
way
to
best
wait
way
to
go
and
we
promote
the
public
hearing
for
it.
Just
like
we
do.
C
We
place
an
ad.
We
we
promote
it
on
on
the
city
webpage.
The
information
is
there
for,
for,
for
the
the
rate
increase
and
so
I
think
you
know
again
to
be
fair
to
the
process
of
prop
218
and
not
to
confuse
the
public.
This
seems
like
the
appropriate
way
to
address
it.
So
with
that
I'd
be
glad
to
answer
any
questions
or
if
you
had
any
questions
for
Recology
any.
A
E
Non-Conforming
duplex
at
192
and
194
Cyprus,
the
orange
house
on
top
of
cypress
hill
I,
understand
with
increased.
You
know,
everything's
going
up
I
understand
that.
But
if
the
purpose
of
the
Recology,
including
the
green
bins
and
the
blue
bins,
is
to
minimize
and
reduce
our
garbage
rates,
then
I'd
like
to
know
why?
E
Because
between
me
and
my
tenants
at
194,
we
don't
feel
half
of
one
of
the
small
grey
bins
and
yet
I'm
paying
for
two
of
them,
and
it
just
seems
like
if
the
purpose
of
encouraging
a
recycling
effort
is
successful
and
we
are
in
fact
filling
the
blue
bins
and
the
green
bins
and
all
the
rest
of
it.
When
do
we
get
some
credit
for
not
producing
as
much
garbage?
E
F
F
Property
owners
definitely
can
protest,
but
I
just
want
to
make
sure
and
for
the
public's
sake
that
everybody
knows
who
can
protest
this
thing
and
really
it's
requiring
fifty
percent
and
that's
the
state
loss,
not
anything
that
San
Bruno
came
up
with
it's
virtually
impossible,
so
it
really
lies
with
our
Council
to
protect
us
from
these
rate
increases
and
I
protest.
The
garbage
rate
increases
for
the
following
reasons:
I
believe
that
ecology
has
repeatedly
has
extended
their
contract
and
we
have
no
open
competition
in
this
anymore.
F
When
you're,
comparing
us
to
the
other
cities,
it's
apples
and
oranges,
because
if
not
all
the
companies
get
a
chance
to
bid
on
service
in
our
city,
we're
never
going
to
know
whether
or
not
we're
getting
good
service.
So
if
we
were
to
open
it
up,
the
next
time
and
I
apparently
set
2018
will
have
a
chance
to
see
what
we
can
really
get.
F
It
said
that
in
one
year,
comparing
january,
two
thousand
thirteen
to
january2014
that
nine
percent
increase
in
rate
that
were
pain
resulted
only
in
a
one
percent
decrease
in
our
waste
stream.
So
if
we're
trying
to
reach
the
state
75%
mandate-
and
we
only
generated
a
one
percent
reduction
by
paying
almost
nine
percent
more-
is
that
what
we
really
want
to
do
is
that
a
good
return
on
our
money-
and
I
don't
think
so-
one
easy
way
to
reduce
our
rate
or
waste
stream
is
like
on
our
agenda.
You
know
it's
two
pages,
but
there's.
F
G
I'm
Jeffrey
Tong
at
3660,
fleetwood
I
oppose
the
rate
increase
for
several
reasons.
Number
one,
philosophical
I,
believe
that
this
company
up
to
your
decision,
is
increasing
or
having
this
composting
program
to
justify
this
rate
increase,
and
if
they
tomorrow
decide
that
they're
not
going
to
have
it
or
they're
going
to
change
the
plans
is,
are
the
rates
increase
is
going
to
decrease,
or
are
they
just
going
to
keep
going
up?
Second
reason:
I,
believe,
is
that
the
composting
program
is
absolutely
ridiculous,
because
compost
is
coming
from
our
own
yards.
G
It
should
go
back
to
our
own
yards.
It's
it's!
It's
something
that
people
in
San
Bruno
need
to
really
understand
to
live
within
our
harmoniously
with
in
our
environment.
In
that
education,
with
whatever
they
charge
us,
you
can
educate
the
people
once
and
forever.
They
will
be
able
to
maintain
the
property,
but
when
you
charge
us
forever
in
a
day
and
claim
that
you're
going
to
be
doing
the
composting
for
us
it
it,
it
basically
just
negates
whatever
effort
this
composting
program
is.
G
H
Hi
I'm
Rick
Fenton.
I
live
at
32
linden
a
long
time
san
bruno
resident,
I
I,
don't
necessarily
opposed
it
or
I'm,
definitely
not
for
it.
But
if
you
could
just
clear
something
up
for
me
that
gentleman
was
talking
about
flat
streets
and
hilly
streets
and
I'm
wondering
you
know,
I
mean
then
the
time
it
takes.
H
H
And
then
the
you
know,
if
that's
if
that
a
question
is
you
know,
they're
the
same,
then
why
should
it
be
more
expensive
for
us
to
pay
garbage
in
san
bruno
than
it
is
in
foster
city?
The
other
things
that
you
mentioned
aside.
I
understand
that
different
contract
and
etc.
But
if
you
know
it's
a
moot
point,
if
they
get
paid
the
same,
then.
I
Thank
you,
sir.
My
name
is
anthony
surance
son.
I
live
on
evergreen
I'd,
like
to
submit
a
formal
protest
to
against
this
proposition.
I
feel
that
already
we're
paying
a
decent
amount
of
cost
in
what
we
pay
for
both
water
and
for
trash
and
removal
of
all
this
product.
Now
we're
looking
at
rates
of
increasing
if
any,
were
close
to
nine
percent,
for,
as
a
distinguished
gentleman
said
for
a
one
percent
return.
I
It
seems
like
it's
a
waste
of
money,
we're
not
going
to
meet
objectives,
we're
not
going
to
meet
the
goals
that
are
in
front
of
us
and
also
the
organics
program.
Although
it
is
a
very
lovely
program
in
theory,
I
think
it's
a
feel-good
program.
People
at
home
can
do
that
on
their
own
power
of
their
own.
Well,
they
don't
need
the
city
to
be
funding,
something
like
this
and
then
turning
around
and
charging
us
to
go
ahead
and
have
this
little
bin
at
my
house,
which
now
a
month
to
four
bins.
I
So
at
what
point
does
this
end
am
I?
Gonna
have
a
fifth
in
for
my
oil
I'm
gonna
have
a
six
bin
for
my
daughter's
waste,
diapers
and
so
on
and
so
forth.
At
what
point
do
we
stop
charging
the
residence
for
another
fee?
Another
thing:
another
service:
that's
going
to
continually
try
to
make
people
feel
better,
but
in
the
return
is
not
really
in
the
overall
effect,
bringing
a
return
up
we're
trying
to
target
in
the
chief.
Thank
you
thank
you.
J
I'm
Pete
antoniak
on
the
president,
shelter
creek
I've.
Also
as
a
public
works
officer
in
the
Navy
and
understand
you
had
a
contract
was
competitively
bid
and
I
guess
they
were
the
lowest
bidder
than
over
time.
They
raised
the
rates
as
if
they
were
approached
me
as
public
lost.
Her
first
thing,
I
would
do
is
hand
it
off
to
an
engineer
on
my
staff
to
go
over
and
find
out
why
the
rates
are
going
up.
J
J
What
I
here
tonight
is
someone
saying
essentially
well,
other
people
have
lower
other
people
have
higher
we're
different
and
that's
about
it
I'm
a
little
surprised
that
the
the
level
of
detail
as
far
as
why
the
rates
are
going
up
and
as
well
the
course
officer,
I
would
say,
okay,
the
engineer
verified
this
is
all
valid
now
to
go
along
with
it.
But
I
don't
see
that
here
tonight,
I'm
a
little
a
little
little
perplexed.
All.
A
G
L
A
Seconded
close,
the
public
hearing,
the
question
favorite
hi,
okay,
we
have
a
couple
of
questions
need
to
be
answered.
Maybe
we
should
talk
to.
Let's
see,
marks
efron--oh
first
regarding
someone
has
confusion
as
to
who
can
protest
and
who
can't
protest
and
if
they
all
protest
to
what
gets
counted
right.
B
So
the
prompt
to
18
does
specifically
say
that
the
city's
required
to
male
protest
ballots
to
record
owners
of
property
and
the
rule
is
one
one
parcel
one
vote.
That's
that's
what
it
says.
So
if
a
record
owner
of
the
property
submits
a
protest,
then
that
protest
is
counted.
If
somebody
else
signs
their
name
to
a
protest
for
that
parcel
and
says:
I
live
there
and
I
pay
the
bill,
then
that
is
also
counted
as
a
response
in
the
in
the
city's
tabulation.
B
So
at
the
end,
when
all
of
those
are
collected,
regardless
of
who
signs
it
and
how
many
there
are,
the
city
adds
them
all
up
and
makes
a
determination
of
whether
there
are
fifty
percent
plus
one
or
not,
and
so
in
this
case
tonight
the
City
Council
is
being
asked
to
make
that
determination
based
on
the
the
protests.
So
it's
often
asked
why
aren't
these
things
mailed
to
account
holders
or
wired
they
mail
to
tenants?
B
Actually,
the
answer
to
that
is
because
the
city
doesn't
have
any
way
of
knowing
necessarily
who
the
tenants
are
and
who
pays
the
bill.
For
example,
you
could
have
four
people
living
in
a
apartment,
for
example,
and
each
one
of
them
says
well:
I
pay
$25
toward
the
cost
of
the
of
the
garbage
bill,
and
each
one
of
us
wants
to
protest.
Well,
the
city
wouldn't
be
able
to
count
all
four
of
those
protests,
because
you
only
get
one
one
vote
per
parcel.
A
C
The
larger
that
well
I,
guess
the
largest
portion
of
the
increase
is
again
related
to
the
organics,
even
though
it's
a
portion
of
the
three
of
the
three
three
step
that
was
inert
that
was
proposed
back
in
the
middle
of
2013
and
at
that
time,
a
consulting
firm,
a
renown
firm
that
is
vast
experience
in
reviewing
garbage
franchise.
Garbage
services
was
retained
by
the
city
to
review
that
that
proposal
and
those
rates
that
were
proposed
so
so
that
was
great
detail
was
done
there.
C
The
other
part,
the
the
2.1
three
percent
increase
is
according
to
the
franchise
agreement,
is
not
based
on
specific
increases
in
costs
for
an
interim
year.
The
calculation
is
simply
eighty
percent
of
the
applicable
CCP
I
adjustment,
and
that's
where
the
2.13
arises
is
from
the
CPI
adjustment.
When
there's
a
detailed
year,
which
is
about
every
three
years,
then
every
line
item
and
every
expenditure
is
scrutinized
either
internally
or
in
some
instances
by
outside
consultant,
but
in
a
detailed
year
every
expense
is
reviewed
in
an
interim
year.
L
C
A
M
Thank
you
for
letting
me
speak
and
the
32-gallon
cart
was
the
the
city
mandate
back
when
there
was
not
a
20-gallon
card.
So
each
resident
does
need
to
maintain
a
minimum
level
of
service
at
their
home
staff
and
council
asked
Recology
to
implement
a
20-gallon
option
for
those
residents
that
don't
produce
and
don't
fill
a
32
gallon
and
more
and
more
residents
are
moving
to
that
20
gallon,
especially
since
the
organics
program
rolled
out.
So
there
is
a
20
gallon
option
for
residents
at
this
time,
so
someone
can
move
from
the
32
to
the
20.
A
M
M
Actually
have
to
defer
it
back
to
gym,
because
it
is
an
ordinance
with
in
san
bruno.
I
believe
that
each
resident
each
address
needs
to
maintain
a
minimum
level
of
service
which
would
be
20
gallons.
So,
if
you
share
it
would
not
meet
the
minimum
level,
but
that's
my
understanding
of
the
ordinance
okay.
A
M
A
Bruno
is
good
at
recycling,
which
brings
me
to
organic
rates.
Somebody
said
gee
were
paying
nine
percent
for
one
percent
return
what's
going
on
there.
I
think
I
think
the
kickoff
was
six
months
and
it
was
just
a
kind
of
a
trial
period
before
we
get
into
it.
So
maybe
you
can
talk
to
us
a
little
bit
about
the
organics
and
the
fact
that
we
can
actually
get
some
of
that
organic
matter
back
instead
of
having
to
do
it
ourselves.
We
can
actually
pick
it
up
and
use
it
sure.
M
I'd
like
to
clarify
that's
the
diversion
rate
that
the
city
of
san
bruno,
the
last
published
rate
by
Calvary
cycle,
was
in
2012.
That
was
before.
We've
even
implemented
our
organics
program
and
we
were
at
fifty-three
percent
and
the
gold
estate
white
goal
is
seventy-five
percent
diversion
by
2020.
So
that's
thirty,
two
percent
increase.
M
So
by
pulling
the
organic
matter
out
of
your
garbage,
we're
reducing
the
garbage
tonnage
is
what
Cal
recycle
will
look
at,
is
the
overall
garbage
tonnage
and
then
the
the
various
programs
in
which
a
city
has
to
it
to
encourage
diversion
okay.
So
that's
Recology
is
working
with
with
city
staff
and
with
council
to
implement
as
many
programs
to
helped
with
the
version
as
we
can
to
get
to
that.
M
Seventy-Five
percent
state
goal
by
2020
and
an
answer
to
your
question
and
because
we
have
been
doing
this
program
out
for
were
in
the
fifth
month
of
organics.
We
were
very
proud
to
have
an
organic
material
distribution
about
a
month
ago
and
we
held
it
up
at
vector,
shelter
and
we
had
several
residents
come
and
fill
not
just
one
bucket,
but
several
buckets
full
of
beautiful
black
rich
organic
material,
which
has
been
very
beneficial
in
their
gardens,
especially
since
the
water,
since
you
know
we're
having
somewhat
of
a
drought.
M
A
M
So
our
our
labor
wages
we
have,
we
have
Union
staff
and
our
union.
Our
wages
are
based
on
a
union
contract
and
our
union
contract
is
different
than
Recology
San,
Mateo
County,
so
they're
their
wages
will
differ
from
ours.
When
we
go
into
negotiations,
we
look
at
the
cost
of
doing
business
and
and
the
ratepayers,
and
we
do
our
best
to
keep
the
rates
of
our
drivers
competitive.
Yet,
at
a
rate
that
won't
affect
our
ratepayers
in
san
bruno
and.
M
Factors
are
taken
into
consideration
when
we
look
at
the
total
cost
of
doing
business
in
a
city
will
have
to
look
to
see
whether
if
it
is
a
hilly
route,
it
the
the
labor
hours
that
it
will
take
will
be
longer,
wear
and
tear
on
the
vehicles
and
the
amount
of
fuel
that
is
more
necessary
and
in
a
Hillier
neighborhood.
So
those
are
taken
into
consideration.
I
think.
A
H
Was
what
you
use
to
negotiate
a
contract
with
a
city?
What
I'm
asking
you
is:
do
you
pay
the
driver
in
san
bruno
more
than
the
driver
in
foster
city
or
less?
Is
it
the
same?
Because
if
it's
the
same
then
what
your
the
criteria
that
you're
using
doesn't
doesn't
matter
to
me
because
you
pay
him
the
same
regardless
of
what
so?
Why
should
you
come
to
me
and
say?
Well,
it
costs
me
more
san
bruno.
If
it
doesn't.
A
San
mateo
county
and
things
talk
about
cities
and
I'm.
Let
me
just
throw
this
in
maybe
and
I
don't
want
to
speak
for
you,
but
maybe
it's
the
fact
that
in
san
bruno
we
need
more
drivers
for
a
longer
period
of
time
because
of
the
terrain
versus
even
if
they
were
paid
the
same
less
drivers
for
a
shorter
period
of
time
in
another
city.
M
C
Mayor,
maybe
if
I
could
just
clarify,
I
guess
my
comment.
I
was
the
one
that
brought
up
the
issue
of
productivity.
I
did
want
to
point
out,
even
though
the
contract
that
the
waste
authority
has
is
with
with
recology.
It
is
a
separate
and
independent
company
from
recology
san
bruno.
So
it's
not
one
company
served
serving
both
areas.
There
are
two
separate
companies
and
when
I
was
describing
productivity,
I
was
an
attempt
to
describe
the
compensation
for
an
individual
worker.
C
What
I
was
describing
was
the
number
of
worker
hours
that
it
takes
to
collect
in
in
an
area
and
when
it's
hilly
or
there's
more
congestion
or
there's
more
narrower
streets,
the
process
is
slower,
meaning
that
it
it
take.
The
the
workers
are
out
there
for
a
longer
a
period
of
time
or
there's
more
workers
compared
to
another
jurisdiction.
That's
the
descriptive
of
productivity,
rather
than
what
an
individual
or
two
individuals
actually
make
in
compensation.
Okay,.
L
And
I'm
not
sure
if
you
can
answer
these
but
I'm
going
to
throw
them
out,
I
was
counting
up
the
different
protests
and
out
of
all
the
protests,
sixty
percent
of
them
30,
we
forgot
x-38
use
the
same
form
so
that
it's
a
form
letter
protest
and
which
is
fine,
but
I.
Think
some
of
the
information
that
is
on
here
is
erroneous
in
some
ways
or
needs
to
be
clarified
and
I'm,
hoping
you
can
do
that.
So
at
the
end
of
this
particular
form,
it
says
the
plan.
L
The
plan
75%
of
waste
reduction
over
six
years
should
not
lead
to
a
need
for
additional
vehicles.
Fewer
vehicles
will
be
needed
to
go
to
the
landfill
and
the
weekly
service,
resulting
in
rate
increases
is
not
defensible
and
I.
Just
I
have
a
few
comments
and
then,
if
you
would
elaborate
or
clarify
if
I'm
incorrect,
so
people
have
to
see
people
need
to
understand
you
produce
you
produce
what
you
produce.
You
have
recyclables,
you
have
green
waste,
you
have
organics,
you
have
real
trash
garbage.
You
you're
producing
the
same
amount
in
most
cases.
L
What
you're
doing
with
the
way
the
program
works
is
you're
putting
in
different
containers
and
it
goes
to
different
places
and
it
gets
processed
so,
regardless
of
what
we
each
produce,
it
all
has
to
go
away
and
it
all
has
to
go
somewhere
and
it
all
has
to
have
something
happen
to
it,
and
all
those
things
cost
money
either
for
drivers.
Time
vehicles
that
how
long
far
away
the
organics
processing
goes.
L
They
all
cost
money,
even
though
you're
doing
a
good
thing
and
you're
recycling
and
you
have
less
garbage
and
you
have
less
to
take
to
the
landfill
the
rest
of
it
still
has
to
go
somewhere.
It's
not
like
it
magically
disappears
and
nothing
has
to
happen
to
it.
So
I,
just
I
I
think.
Maybe
what
we
also
need
to
look
doing
is
a
re-education
of
people
and
explanation,
maybe
or
an
additional
step
in
some
of
this
one
of
the
other
things.
Somebody
said
that
everyone
should
just
compost
at
home.
L
That
would
be
great
if
we
could
and
if
people
would
but
I
know
people
who
don't
want
to
bother
or
they
don't
have
the
space
or
the
time.
There's
people
in
apartment
buildings
they
can't
they
they
have
nothing
to
compost
to,
because
there's
no
landscaping
so
it's,
but
they
don't
want
to
put
that
stuff
in
the
landfill
either.
So
you
know
we
all
here
up
here
have
to
pay
the
same
rate.
We
vote
for
a
rate
increase.
We
have
to
pay
it
too.
We
don't
get
any
special
benefits
from
it.
L
So
we
look
very
carefully
about
what
we
do
to
charge
people
and
it
affects
us
just
as
much.
It
affects
our
mothers
and
fathers
hands
are
our
kids
that
live
in
the
city
or
whatever.
So
it's
not
something
we
do
lightly.
It's
not
something.
We
do
for
no
reason,
it's
it's
something
that,
in
our
opinion,
either
well.
If
we,
if
we
vote
that
way
in
my
opinion,
anyway,
needs
to
be
done.
So
if
you
want
to
elaborate
on
what
I've
made
comments
about,
I
would
appreciate
it.
You.
M
Are
exactly
right
about
the
the
three-car
process?
It
it
costs.
You
are
doing
a
shift
from
the
grade
to
the
green.
During
for
this
program,
it
does
cost
to
process
recycling,
it
does
profs,
it
does
cost
a
process
organics
and
it
does
cost
a
whole
garbage.
So
there
are
many
costs
involved
in
taking
these
away
from
your
home
and
we're
just
charging
into
the
$27
for
weekly
service
to
remove
all
three
of
those
those
containers,
Recology
doesn't
just
put
out
the
rate
increase
and
go.
Thank
you
and
walk
away.
M
We
are
really-
and
we
really
want
this
organics
program
to
be
successful.
We
are
out
in
the
community
we
went
to.
We
had
a
booth
at
Operation,
Clean
Sweep,
trying
to
educate
the
residents.
We
are.
We
had
an
organics
101
class
here
last
night
for
residents
to
come
and
ask
all
kinds
of
questions.
We
want
this
program
to
succeed
and
we
are
out
in
the
community
and
if
there
is
a
8,
if
there
is
a
way
we
can
get
out
there,
that
will
benefit.
Particular
customers
were
willing
to
do
it.
M
We
and
to
Councilwoman
Irene
O'connell's
comment
about
people
composting
in
the
backyard
she's
correct
there
isn't
and
there
isn't
that
Avenue
for
everyone.
We
need
to
be
able
to
be
fair
to
all
residents
who
want
to
do
the
right
thing
for
the
environment
and
be
able
to
compost
and
recycle.
We
implemented
we're
implementing
this
organics
program
at
shelter,
creek
at
a
large
multi-family
that
normally
wouldn't
be
able
to
have
a
compost
program
because
they
don't
have
a
backyard.
We've
got
several
residents
on
board.
We've
held
an
informational
night
there.
So
again
we
are.
M
D
D
Don't
know
that
it
would
necessarily
change
my
mind
on
out
on
the
direction
that
that
staff
is
proposing
that
we
go
in
tonight,
but
there
was
definitely
some
very
thoughtful
analysis
that
was
done
and
I
do
appreciate.
The
comments
coming
in
you
know
regarding
the
whole
process
of
the
protest
period.
D
I
know
that
the
law
states
that
you
know
we
are
barred
from
taking
action
if
we
meet
the
fifty
percent
and
that's
certainly
one
one
way
to
sort
of
change
the
direction
of
this
but
I
mean
that
certainly
doesn't
bar
the
people
of
San
Bruno
from
voicing
their
opinion
and
whether
or
not
the
state
of
California
legally
recognizes
their
the
right
to
protest.
This
rate
I
believe,
if
enough
people
did
state
their
voice
it
as
an
example
when
crestmore
school
was
closing,
somebody
took
the
initiative
to
do
an
online
petition.
D
We
literally
got
hundreds
City
Council
got
hundreds
of
protests
to
closing
the
school,
and
in
that
case
the
City
Council
had
absolutely
no
authority
to
do
anything
on
that,
but
we
got
those
emails
and
I
think
we
we
read
them
all.
We
took
note
of
that
and
I
think
it
would
have
made
a
choice.
So
even
if
the
state
of
California
doesn't
legally
give
you
that
right
to
stop
it
state
your
opinion
we're
all
residents
here,
we
I
know
all
of
us
make
an
effort
to
make
ourselves
available
to
the
public.
D
So
if
those
comments,
if
you
want
to
make
those
comments,
whether
or
not
you
receive
the
form,
whether
or
not
you
send
a
formal
form,
I
mean
we've
got
notes
here
that
are
handwritten
one
sentence
postcards
and
they
do
they
do
matter.
They
matter
to
me
and
I
certainly
do
read
them
and
I.
Take
these
into
consideration
when
we
make
these
decisions.
The
mayor
and
I
are
the
the
sub
committee
that
reviews
these
things
every
year
before
they
come
to
the
council,
and
you
know
there
was
a
few
comments.
D
Mr.
antoniak
and
somebody
else
made
a
comment
about
you
know:
do
we
do
we
vet
these
numbers?
Do
we
know
that
they
make
sense
and
I'm
a
numbers?
Guy
and
I
do
when
we
get
these
things.
There
is
a
contractual
agreement
that
on
the
off
years,
I
forget
the
official
term
is,
but
on
these
years
we
are
contractually
obligated
to
look
at
or
to
take
a
percentage
of
the
Consumer
Price
Index.
That
consumer
price
index
is
is
a
number
that's
agreed
upon
globally,
and
so
we
verify
that.
D
That
number
is
in
fact
correct
that
the
number
that's
being
presented
to
us
and
then
the
rest
of
it
is-
is
contractual.
When
it
comes
to
organics.
We
looked
at
the
numbers.
There
were
some
real
costs
that
recology
incurred
in
implementing
the
program
and
when
it
first
came
to
us
the
mayor
and
I,
we
recommended
that
we
not
implement
organics,
and
so
it
was
delayed
until
we
felt
that
there
had
been
enough
justification
and
there
was
enough
of
a
push
believe
it
or
not.
D
There
were
people
that
were
asking
for
organics
the
number
of
protests
this
year
to
me
it
looks
like
it's
down
and
a
decade
ago,
San
Francisco
is
doing
and
they've
they've
had
success.
With
that
I
lived
in
san
francisco,
and
I
know
I
had
to
sort
the
garbage
in
and
it
is
it's
it's
an
ugly
messy
job
to
do
and
we
get
charged
more
for
the
privilege
of
doing
it.
D
So
I
understand
I,
wasn't
crazy
about
having
to
do
it,
but
my
wife
and
I
we're
sorting
our
stuff,
and
you
know
we're
doing
what
we
believe
is
the
right
thing.
So
I
just
wanted.
You
know
put
that
out
there
that
we're
not
completely
immune
to
what
you
guys
experience
and
and
I
do
sympathize
with
the
people
that
are
on
fixed
incomes
and
I
know
it's
it's
not
much
of
a
relief
to
say
this,
but
you
know
sometimes
doing
the
right
thing
does
cost
a
little
bit
more.
D
You
know,
fortunately,
I,
don't
think
that
the
the
numbers
that
we're
proposing
here
are
dramatic
I
mean
I.
When,
when
we
looked
at
some
other
rates,
I
was
definitely
opposed
to
the
big
number
things
here.
We're
talking.
You
know
roughly
twelve
dollars
a
year,
so
I'm
hoping
it's
not
going
to
really
hurt
anyone
financially
to
do
this.
D
I'm
hoping
the
organics
program
is
really
going
to
pick
up
steam.
I
know
that
the
young
people
are
definitely
pushing
for
this.
In
my
in
my
day,
job
I
I
work
with
a
lot
of
tech
companies
in
the
area
and
I
noticed
that
all
of
these
companies
have
a
fully
embraced
the
organics
program
and
every
single
business
has.
You
know,
they've
made
provisions
for
separating
it,
and
the
20-somethings
are
just
all
over
this.
They
really
believe
in
it.
D
For
us
40-somethings
and
for
you
know
above
it's
a
little
harder
to
accept,
but
I
do
really
I
really
believe
that
this
this
program
is
going
to
help.
You
know
it
like
I
said
it's
messy,
it's
not
convenient,
but
we
have
to
do
something.
The
landfills
are,
you
know
we're
running
out
of
places
to
put
trash,
and
this
is
one
way
to
turn,
but
we
normally
throw
out
into
something
useful
that
can
actually,
you
know,
go
back
into
your
yard
or
into
somebody
else's
yard.
D
N
Share
a
couple
things
I
think
that
gentleman
Anthony
had
asked
you
know:
is
there
a
point
that
where
it
ends
the
additional
costs,
the
additional
totes
are
we
at?
Where
we're
at?
Do
we
see
anything
coming
up
and
the
horizon
of
things
being
modified
changes,
more
additional
costs
for
different
type
of
programs
for
more
totes
cans
or
containers?
I,
think
that
was
one
of
his
questions
specifically
it
as
it
may
not
have
been
addressed.
M
There
isn't
much
more
that
you
can
pull
out
of
your
gray.
Can,
besides
recycling
and
organics,
we
are
internally
doing
our
own
type
of
sorting
where
we
will
take
em
on
your
bulky
item:
pickup
we're
taking
out
the
textiles
and
things
of
that
sort
and
getting
those
recycled
properly,
we're
recycling
mattresses
separately,
so
they're
not
going
into
a
landfill.
So
to
answer
your
question:
if
there's
going
to
be
an
additional
cart,
no,
they
don't
foresee
an
additional
cart
coming
your
way,
more
diversion,
there's
always
probably
going
to
be
more
diversion
available.
M
Everything
we're
seeing
all
the
manufacturers
or
manufacturing,
lauren,
cardboard
containers
or
some
sort
of
compostable
item,
so
there's
we're
seeing
less
and
less
styrofoam
and
things
of
that
sort.
So
everything
that
you
purchase
should
be
eventually
be
able
to
go
just
in
the
blue
or
the
green,
so
I'm,
hoping
in
the
future
we're
going
to
eliminate
a
cart
by
eliminating
the
gray.
N
Thank
you.
You
had
more
questions.
Okay,
so
also
I'm.
Listening
to
some
of
the
comments
here,
I
think
it's
important
when
we
bring
these
forward
to
have
the
validation
of
the
costs,
there's
quite
a
bit
of
a
staff
report,
but
I
think
when
we
get
into
basic
terms,
I
think
most
people
understand
if
we
sit
sit
out
and
explain
as
to
why,
in
the
rationale
to
it,
obviously
there's
contractual
obligations
within
the
contract
that
exists.
N
I
know
when
the
comment
was
made:
nine
percent
with
as
far
as
cost
with
the
one
percent
as
far
as
decrease
I,
think
there
needs
to
be
something:
that's
better
articulated
that
quantifies.
What
does
that
mean?
Because
on
the
outset,
when
you
hear
those
everybody
would
say
well,
this
isn't
a
good
deal.
I
wouldn't
do
it
at
my
home
as
far
as
a
more
personal
business
transaction,
so
I
think
there
needs
to
be
something
that
quantifies.
What
does
that
really
mean?
N
So
in
this
period
of
time
it
equates
that
one
percent
means
what
as
far
as
tons
oh
and
what
is
the
foreseeable,
you
already
said
it
was
about
five
months.
Obviously,
there's
been
more
time,
there
was
a
pilot
program.
Now
it's
out
to
the
community
I
think
there
needs
to
be
something
that's
more
clearly
defined
and
substantial
to
that
did
want
to
point
out.
This
is
mr.
Medina's
back
good,
see
you.
The
agendas
are
on
front
back,
so
we
do
do
those
city
clerk.
N
Does
that
and
I'm
sure
she
noted
as
far
as
the
the
agendas
as
far
as
running
back
well,
the
packet
packet
that
I'm
that
I
have
here?
These
are
but
good.
Thank
you,
I
mean.
Could
you
got
to
save
everywhere,
so
my
understanding
also
is
that
it's
a
state
requirement
as
far
as
requiring
weekly
pickups.
If
that's
it's
not
about
the
city
imposing
us
on
about
the
county,
that
is
a
state
requirement
and
I
know
back
in
our
history.
There
was
a
resident
that
actually
sued
the
city.
N
So
that's
something
that's
been
long
holding
because
I
know
some
of
the
as
councilmember
Salazar
said.
Some
of
the
comments
were
well.
If
we're
doing
the
weekly
or
the
organics,
which
is
costing
more
money
than
let's
go
to
a
biweekly
now,
can
you
explain
to
one
of
the
comments
that
I
read
in
here?
Why
they
cannot
be.
M
N
Then
you
know
I
as
well
had
voted
on
the
first
time
of
the
compost
program.
I
had
voted.
No,
then
it
was
held
off
and
brought
back
I
think
with
a
little
better
structure
in
the
way
was
going
to
be
implemented.
So
this
would
be
the
last
phase
as
far
as
the
increase
for
the
organics
and
then,
of
course,
it's
a
contractual
obligation
as
far
as
the
way
councilmember
Salazar
said
it
on
how
it
is
derived
for
the
additional
cost
and
then
at
the
when
is
the
next
time
we're
having.
K
Dobb
briefly,
I
I
complement
my
colleagues
on
admitting
that
they
were
never
that
they
were
initially
not
involving
enamored
with
the
organics
I
kicked
and
screamed
when
we
had
to
when
we
get
those
three
bins.
What
30
years
ago,
no
I
was
not
in
favor
of
organics
I
believe
I've
become
somewhat
of
an
environmentalist
now
and
seeing
that
you
know
I,
understand,
I
understand
what
the
cost
of
landfill
as
I
understand
the
cost
of
doing
business
I
believe
we
have
a
good
service
I
believe
this.
K
The
state
mandates
certain
things
so
that
someone's
neighbor
does
not
become
a
problem
or
a
nuisance.
I
appreciate
the
explanations
for
the
difference,
the
the
apples
and
oranges
throughout
throughout
our
County
on
different
services
and
with
that
said,
I
believe
we
have
one
of
the
least
expensive
services,
its
twenty
seven
dollars
for
a
weekly
pickup
per
month.
It's
a
cost
of
doing
business.
It's
a
service,
whether
you
fill
up
a
bin
or
not
garbage,
has
to
be
picked
up
and
I
believe
we're
in
the
right
direction.
Whether
we
things
would
change
whatever.
K
Who
knows
what
you
know
what
we
would
have
been
doing?
30
years
ago
you
know
and
how
far
we've
come
so
I
complement
Recology
on
what
they've
done
and
I
do
appreciate.
The
community
outreach
I
do
appreciate
engaging
you,
know
the
residents
and
near
the
organizations
to
try-
and
you
know,
alleviate
you
know
and
answer
the
questions,
and
you
know
this
direction.
We're
taking
so
I,
wasn't
in
favor
back
when
it
was
proposed,
but
I
am
I'm
sold
now.
Thank
you.
M
A
M
Ahead
I,
just
I
did
want
to
let
everyone
know
that
back
when
we
rolled
out
organics
and
councilmember
Salazar
asked.
When
can
we
see
some
concrete
numbers?
When
can
we
see
if
this
is
working
and
we
committed
to
june?
So
I
am
pleased
to
say
that
we
are
coming
back
in
june
to
a
council
meeting
with
the
presentation
to
show
you
the
the
benefits
and
the
effects
that
composting
is
having
here
in
san
bruno
great.
L
You
I
was
I've,
been
frantically
searching
for
a
comment
that
was
made
in
the
staff
report.
Some
of
the
people
who
protested
were
on
fixed
income,
and
that
was
partly
why
they
protested.
But
my
understanding
is,
if
you
reach,
if
you
have
a
certain
level
of
income,
you
can
apply
for
and
get
twenty-five
twenty-five
percent
reduction
on
your
rate.
So
could
you
elaborate
on
that?
Please
yeah.
M
That
is
a
it's
called
the
believe.
It's
called
the
low
income
rate
if
you
will,
and
that
is
handled
through
the
city
of
San
Bruno.
So
it
would
be
it's
handled
through
the
water
department
and
I
believe
that
covers
I'm,
not
the
expert
on
this
part,
but
it
covers
your
may.
Your
water
rate,
your
cable,
REE
and
and
your
garbage
rate,
possibly-
and
you
do
continue
to
use
the
32-gallon
Toder
with
that
ink
that
discounted
rate
so
I
do
encourage
some
of
the
people
that
protest
it
to
definitely
look
into
and
see.
M
A
Right
I
think
the
council
was
said
everything
I
would
want
to
hear
jazz
I'll
just
to
reinforce
what
Michael
said.
I
do
sit
on
that
committee,
I,
don't
take
it
lightly
at
all.
We
really
look
at
it
closely.
I've
been
on
it
for
a
number
of
years
and
I
can
remember
before
I
was
on
the
council
before
I,
even
thought
of
getting
it
to
city
government
I
sanburne
who
initiated
recycling,
which
is
the
little
bins
and
I
think
we
actually
wanted,
was
at
the
Putnam
award
yeah.
A
We
were
one
of
the
first
of
the
state
and
believe
me,
a
lot
of
people
complained
about
having
bends
and
what
we
gonna
do:
the
yellow,
the
red
and
all
its
kind
of
stuff
we
have
evolved
into.
You
know
an
organic
waste
community
I
complained
like
everybody
else
and
I'm
doing
it,
and
you
know
what
very
little
garbage
which
translate
the
very
little
landfill
which
translate
to
making
our
goal,
and
so
we've
come
a
long
way,
actually
made
use
of
the
organic
materials.
A
And
if
you
want
to
grow
some
vegetables,
you
kind
of
have
to
hold
them
back,
because
it
goes
crazy.
But
it's
unfortunately
the
cost
of
doing
business.
We
try
to
keep
it
as
low
as
we
possibly
can.
We
have
a
unique
community
all
up
down
the
peninsula.
It's
fine
for
people
to
say
you
know
we're
paying
more
we're
paying
less
than
somebody
else.
If
you
really
look
at
what
we're
paying
for
what
we're
getting
it's,
what
we're
paying
for
what
we're
getting!