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B
A
F
F
That's
just
a
nice
little
intro
slide
and
I'm
sure
that
you
all
remember
the
game
of
telephone
often
played
by
elementary
school
kids,
where
you
whisper
something
to
your
neighbor
and
they
repeat
it
and
you
go
around
the
room.
And
then
you
see
how
that
message
comes
back
right.
It
doesn't
always
go
according
to
plan.
F
Unfortunately,
a
lot
of
emergency
communication
depends
very
heavily
on
voice
communication
and,
if
you're
reading,
these
notes
here
voice
communication
is
an
almost
absurdly
slow
way
to
transfer
information
and
in
data
it's
about
50
bytes
per
second,
a
even
a
mediocre
data
connection
is
easily
about
20
million
times
faster
and
that's
before
you
throw
in
you
know
some
elements
of
emergency
voice.
Communication
such
as
speaking
phonetically
and
you
know,
confirming
information
to
avoid
errors.
F
F
F
F
It's
their
irvine
disaster
emergency
communications
group,
laguna
niguel,
has
just
approved
basically
officially
partnered
with
lnax
lnx
had
been
around
for
a
little
bit
before
that,
but
that's
the
amateur
radio,
high-speed
data
volunteers,
supporting
laguna
niguel
san
juan
capistrano,
through
tri-cities
races
of
the
organization
that
serves
san
clemente
and
also
dana
point,
has
a
node
up
on
the
chrome
reservoir
in
san
juan
capistrano
and
mission.
Viejo
has
some
mesh
nodes
at
its
facility,
its
city
hall
facility.
F
F
F
F
I
have
a
self
propagating
text
chat
server.
I
have
a
next
cloud
server
which
works
like
dropbox.
It's
a
very
full
featured
service
and
I've
integrated
into
that
a
google
docs
like
collaborative
document,
editing
platform.
So
you
can
right
from
your
browser.
You
can
real
time
collaboratively
edit
documents
on
this
service
and
that's
I
have
others
that
I'm
supporting
also,
but
I
didn't
want
to
list
everything
and
really
anything.
That's
available
on
the
internet
can
probably
be
supported
on
the
mesh
next
slide.
Please.
F
F
F
If
you
can
see
this
I'll
try
to
get
out
of
the
way
the
mesh
is
actually
quite
well
developed
in
southern
california,
but
we're
in
a
little
bit
of
a
mesh
black
hole
here
in
san
clemente.
This
lonely
node
down
there.
That's
me
if
if
san
clemente
invests
in
a
little
bit
of
equipment
and
it
can
be
volunteer,
provided
it
can
be
city
provided
everything's,
it's
very,
very
flexible.
That
would
enable
police,
fire,
medical
and
volunteer
facilities,
city
facilities
to
gain
access
to
this
network.
A
Yeah
bill
you've
been
working
with
this
for
quite
some
time,
and
I've
been
very
active
on
disaster
preparedness,
especially
with
the
communications
we're
interested
in
sustainability
of
the
communications
work,
for
example,
if
we
were
to
if
the
city
was
to
to
buy
all
this
equipment
and
things
and
install
it
in
appropriate
positions.
Obviously
you
have
to
be
studies
on
that,
but
can
this
be
operate
on
a
standby,
for
example,
a
solar
battery
operation,
rather
because
if
the
power
goes
out
that
takes
everything
else
out
too
right.
F
It
it
would
take
out
most
people's,
you
know:
cox
provided
internet.
Certainly
your
area,
cellular
towers
would
probably
stay
up,
but
I'm
sure
you've
all
been
in
circumstances
where
all
the
lines
are
full
and
you
can't
make
an
outgoing
call.
Even
though
you
have
coverage,
that's
a
bandwidth
issue
and
it
it
happens,
and
it's
actually
very
likely
to
happen.
If
there's
ever
an
incident.
F
Arden
mesh
equipment
is
almost
really
quite
optimized
for
solar
and
battery
operation
and
races
and
arden
volunteers
usually
have
a
decent
cache
of
batteries.
To
keep
things
running.
When
the
lights
go
out,
it'll
run
fine
off
a
generator
solar
panels.
Batteries,
it's
very
versatile,
so
it
doesn't
as
long
as
it's
hooked
up
that
way.
It
doesn't
need
utility
power
and
it
it
actually
never
needs
the
internet.
A
F
There's
I
mean
any
time
you're
on
the
internet,
you're,
probably
at
grave
risk
of
that
probably
fair
to
say
right,
but
the
mesh
is
not.
Oh,
it's
not
available
to
the
public.
It's
limited
to
federally
licensed
volunteers
and
to
the
agencies
that
we
serve
and
just
like,
the
the
big
internet.
Anybody
who
has
access
to
it
can
browse
around
and
explore
the
different
services
available,
but
they
wouldn't
have
access
to
the
actual
services
unless
they
were
appropriately
credentialed
got
it.
A
So
I
think
what
bill's
doing
here
is
just
feeding
in
a
little
bit
of
information
that
it'll
give
us
a
that'll
add
to
a
foundation
for
disaster
preparedness
for
the
community,
and
I
think
there
is
some
need.
Communications
is
key,
as
we
all
know,
without
that
we're
just
yelling
at
each
other
and
hopefully
somebody's
listening.
D
I
have
a
question
hear
me:
yeah,
yes
yeah.
I
have
a
question
bill.
I
I
may
have
missed
it.
Maybe
I
just
missed
it
at
the
very
beginning,
but
I'm
not
sure
what
this
thing
is.
I
I
know
that
it
connects
up
with
races
and
some
things,
but
I'm
not
sure
what
its
applicability
is.
Can
can
you
take
me
through
that
and
and
or
maybe
you
guys
can
tell
me
to
shut
up
and
say
we'll
tell
you
later,
but
I
don't
know.
D
F
F
F
G
B
Well,
I
I
can
speak
from
the
fire
department.
We
currently
don't
have
it
developed
into
our
system.
We
have
multiple,
I
I
guess-
failure
modes
in
place
and
how
our
different
radio
communications
can
fail.
We
also
have
a
backup
system
with
our
vhf
frequencies
that
in
my
career
we've
once
we've
had
to
go
to
for
about
an
hour.
H
Oh
we've
in
my
entire
career
we've
never
used
that
system
at
all,
so
we
operate
under
the
800
megahertz
and
that
would
go
through
ecb
and
then,
if
they're
connected
to
that
system,
then
they
would
facilitate
that.
But
we
have
never.
I
have
never
experienced
that
and
would
not
be
able
to
even
comment
on
them.
Unfortunately,
sorry
about
that.
F
F
Here's
a
example:
it's
mashed
volunteers
have
cameras,
pan
tilt,
zoom
cameras
that
can
be
set
up
quickly
in
the
field
to
provide
eyes
to
you
know
a
sheriff
eos.
You
know
field
eoc
and
they
do
that
during
the
swallows
parade.
That's
something
that
they
do
every
year
just
to
keep
their
skills.
Fresh
mesh
equipment
has
also
had
the
first
reports
on
a
handful
of
fires
last
year.
F
F
Certainly,
this
is
not
something
that
police
and
fire
would
need
to
be
trained
on
city
staff,
either
your
races
members
train
on
this.
So
when
needed
for
a
community
event
or
an
incident,
they
would
be,
they
would
be
called
on
and
they
would
support
the
equipment
and
you
know
help
you
leverage
the
services
that
are
available.
G
F
Well,
that's
a
great
question.
Thank
you.
A
prudent
next
step
after
the
kind
of
backbone
system
that's
described
in
the
proposal
is
set
up
would
be
just
to
look
at
the
city's
calendar
of
events
like
we
have
the
ocean
festival.
We've
got
concert
series.
Those
would
be
good
opportunities
to
deploy
the
equipment
kind
of
get
some
field,
training
for
your
races,
volunteers
and
that'll
help
kind
of
build
the
rapport
that's
going
to
be
needed
to
work
effectively
together
during
an
incident.
G
So
so
you'll
need
a
contact
person
in
the
city,
I'm
not
sure
of
how
many
of
them
to
make
sure
this
training
goes
on
correct.
I
mean
you
just
can't
come
in
and
say:
okay,
we're
set
up
and
there's
gonna
have
to
be
some
kind
of
point
of
contact
to
see.
What's
to
coordinate
this
stuff,
I
I
would
imagine.
F
F
F
C
Got
a
couple
of
questions
directed
I'll
first
direct
them
to
chief
manhart
and
chief
milan.
Would
would
you
find
the
the
part
about
this?
That's
intriguing
to
me:
is
the
camera
capability
possibly,
would
you
eat
like
rob?
First,
would
would
you
find
any
benefit
to
this
say
on
4th
of
july
or
the
surf
festival?
If,
if
you
were
able
to
access
or
get
some
additional
camera
coverage
on
your
areas,
there
that
you
might
be
able
to
access?
Would
that
be
something
you
think
might
be
beneficial
yeah.
I
Thanks
for
the
question
rick
in
regards
to
the
cameras
we're
pretty
well
suited
with
coverage
on
the
beach
and
water,
we
have
cameras
down
at
t
street
that
cannot
see
all
the
way
past
lost
winds.
We
have
a
camera
up.
On
top
of
the
pier
tower.
We
have
a
camera
up
at
north
beach,
so
all
the
areas
of
the
beach
are
covered.
C
C
Okay,
so
if
let's
say
there
was
a
disaster
and
and
I'll
assume
the
police
department,
the
fire
department,
marine
safety,
they're,
all
pretty
well
self
taken
care
of,
but
but
cells
were
down
and
the
internet
was
down.
Could
you
possibly
see
a
use
for
this,
so
you
could
stay
in
communication
with
your
people.
A
C
E
H
Yeah
cameras,
absolutely
I'm
a
proponent
of
that
so
yeah
the
more
the
merrier
that
would
definitely
help
us
out,
but
once
again
I'll
defer,
you
know.
I
know
we
had
a
representative
from
my
ecb
talk
about
the
mass
communications.
So
when
you're
asking
about
individuals
and
committee,
I
would
always
defer
to
them
because
they're
the
experts
in
that.
H
But
communications
is
paramount
right
during
an
emergency
like
that,
and
I
don't
have
all
the
intricate
knowledge
to
to
really
give
you
a
professional
opinion,
what
you
should,
what
you
shouldn't
use,
and
so
that's
why
the
previous
member
that
was
down
here.
That's
the
person
who
should
weigh
in
on
that.
C
Yeah,
okay,
well.
Well,
my
comment
would
be
again
to
me.
The
most
intriguing
thing
is
possibility
of
getting
some
enhanced
camera
on
on
some
of
our
major
events,
where
we
don't
already
have
that
capability
and
if
irvine
and
san
juan
is
using
it,
you
know,
or
at
least
at
least
addressing
the
the
possibility
of
using
it
to
where
they
have
a
program,
and
since
it's
not
going
to
cost
the
city
of
anything,
I
I
don't
see
why
not?
I
I
mean
that's.
I.
F
What
I'm
showing
here
is
that
one
of
the
pan
tilt
zoom
cameras
on
saddleback
mountain,
and
this
can
be
controlled.
I've
been
moving
it
around
and
this
is
all
done
without
the
internet.
So
I
expect
the
cameras
that
we
have
and
I
could
be
wrong.
They
may
be.
You
know,
kind
of
ad
hoc
together,
but
a
lot
of
the
cameras
that
I
think
we
depend
on
also
depend
on
commercially
provided
internet
service.
C
Right
well
but
bill,
I'm
expanding
on
that.
So
let's
say
we
the
surf
festival,
fourth
of
july,
whatever
we
contact,
you
guys
and
say:
hey
gee,
you
know
we.
We
we
really
like
to
have
a
couple
of
camera
locations
set
up
for
this,
that
we
don't
have
now.
Do
you
think
you
would
be
with
enough,
certainly
lead
time.
You
would
be
able
to
facilitate
that.
F
A
And
public
works
is
working
on
looking
at
the
bill's
proposal
on
the
thing
and
it
would
need
a
couple
of
access
to
some
good
sites
so
that
they
get
sufficient
radio
coverage
for
the
community
and
then
that
would
lock
that
down
as
far
as
the
cameras
and
and
all
the
other
abilities.
So
it
is
quite
a
quite
a
little
thing.
There
joe
jeff's
comment
on
it.
G
Yeah
so
who
would
bill's
point
of
contact
be
in
the
city?
You
know
I'm
kind
of
an
organizational
person,
wanna
know
how
things
fit
in
the
organization
and
who
reports
to
who
and
things
like
that,
and
you
know
you
want
to
avoid
freelancing,
and
so
there's
a
lot
of
to
this
stuff
that
I
don't
understand.
G
So
that's
some
of
the
questions
I
would
need
answered.
I
I'm
just
not
sure
how
much
of
the
time
it's
going
to
take
of
of
staff
or
or
our
three
emergency
service
departments,
and
things
like
that,
I
I
don't
have
a
problem
with
the
the
cost.
It's
pretty
minimal
and
photos
are
right,
you're.
I
you
know
you're
right
rick
on
that,
but
I
just
don't
understand
how
it's
all
going
to
mention
in
the
organization
right
now.
F
Now,
because
tri-cities
races
is
not
exclusively
a
racist
organization,
we
are
also
what's
called
an
aries,
which
is
the
amateur
radio
emergency
services
group,
and
we
can
activate
you
know
on
our
own,
but
it's
it's
not.
That
would
be
it's
not
a
common
thing
and
it
doesn't
really
mean
on
our
own
but
say
if
a
school
principal
my
kids
go
to
a
nearby
school,
they
know
some
of
what
I
do.
If
they
ask
for
help,
I
I
could
help
them
and
I
it
wouldn't
be
it
wouldn't
be
a
tri-cities
races
event.
F
G
G
There's
a
lot
of
motivation
and
interest
on
bill's
part,
and
I
appreciate
that-
and
I
just
I
think
if
zeod
is
that
who's
going
to
be
in
charge
of
this
program,
who
should
understand
it
better
than
any
of
us.
I
think
if
he
gives
a
thumbs
up
to
something
like
this,
then
I
support
that
also,
but
I
just
I
just
want
to
make
sure
it
fits
in
with
it
doesn't
make
more
work
for
emergency
services
guys
and
for
part
of
the
city.
G
But
if
it's
something
that's
going
to
definitely
help
us
and-
and
he
has
a
contact
point-
a
department
or
someone
like
that.
That
is
all
for
it.
Then
I
don't
think
it's
that
whole
a
whole
bunch
of
money
to
you
know
we're
wasting
to
do
it.
But
until
then
I
I'd
like
to
have
someone
from
the
city
that
supports
the
whole
thing.
A
Yeah
and
zyad's
ziad
is,
is
the
contact
point
for
the
city.
He
is
the
disaster
preparedness
officer
at
this
point
and
he's
taken
a
handle
on
this
also,
so
it's
it's
moving
along.
It
just
needs
support
from
the
inside
like
us
too,
on
that
thing,
so
any
other
questions
that
come
to
mind
at
this
point.
F
You
very
much
if
I
can
make
one
more
just
brief
statement.
You
know,
tri-cities
races
is,
you
know,
looking
forward
to
serving
dana
point
san
juan
capistrano
and
san
clemente
as
a
san
clemente
resident,
I'm
particularly
interested
in
serving
san
clemente
and
I've
got
a
decent
cache
of
equipment
that
can
be
used
to
create
these
data
networks
within
the
city.
A
A
A
A
Yeah,
the
as
I
understand
the
arden,
it's
you've
got
the
racy's
voice
communications,
and
this
brings
it
to
this
next
technological
advanced
into
the
digital
age,
where
you
can
actually
use
it
for
documents
and
video
and
all
so.
It's
could
be
a
real
asset
to
us
all.
Right
item
number
five
minutes
from
our
meeting
on
april
27th
and
they
had
a
chance
to
look
over
the
the
minutes
for
to
do
an
approval
on.
F
A
E
E
A
That's
involved
in
this
thing
and
I
think
the
city
wants
to
buy
their
own
hardware.
If
we
pursue
this
and
then
that
way,
they
can
maintain
it
and
all-
and
we
don't
have
to
worry
about
the
volunteers
using
their
own
personal
stuff
for
city
business
as
it
were,
but
they
can.
They
can
interface
with
the
with
these
transmitters
receivers
on
their
own
personal
hardware.
A
A
E
A
Yeah,
it's
very
fortunate
that
I
I
I
think
it's
fortunate
that
zyad
was
the
interim
public
works
director
until
the
city
contracted
with
miguel
gomez,
who
is
now
the
interim
and
allow
that
takes
a
lot
of
that
off
zayed
and
he
can
concentrate
a
little
bit
more
on
the
disaster
preparedness
and
he
is
really
a
proponent
of
of
this
program.
So
got
some
positive
feelings
on
that.
One
good.
E
Chair
for
cuda,
if
I
could
so
for
the
next
meeting,
the
committee
would
like
to
have
ziad
mazbooty.
Our
deputy
public
works
director
for
do
a
presentation
on
cert.
I
will.
I
can
get
in
touch
with
him
and
schedule
that,
but
since
he's
also
the
one
that's
overseeing
the
arden
mesh
proposal,
it
may
be
a
benefit
to
have
him
present
from
the
city's
perspective.
A
G
A
E
D
C
Well,
anyway,
this
is
we.
I
think
we
need
to
remember
as
a
committee
that
this
was
something
that
was
on
our
work
plan,
and
this
isn't
something
that
that
bill
or
anybody
else
you
know,
is
trying
to
run
through
the
city
and
then
we're
reviewing
it.
This
is
actually
something
that
that
nick
has
looked
into
and
and
presented
as
part
of
our
work
plan,
and
any
way
that
I
think
the
city
council
expects
that
we
look
at
anything
that
could
possibly
enhance
our
public
safety
aspect
in
in
any
any
way,
disaster
preparedness.
C
So
that's
why
we're
going
through
this
I
mean
you
know,
nick's
done
a
lot
of
he's
had
a
lot
of
experience
in
disaster
preparedness
and
in
his
career,
and
so
he's
used
that
experience
to
to
contact
and
and
and
try
to
figure
any
way
that
we
can
enhance
this.
This
is
why
why
we're
doing
it,
it's
part
of
our
work
plan
as
a
whole.
So
again,
I
just
think
we
need
to
remember
this,
isn't
something
that
somebody's
trying
to
push
through
the
city
from
the
outside.
G
G
C
Technology,
you
know
so
I
I
share
gary's
feeling
also
that
I
I
know
what
they're
saying
I'd
like
to
have
somebody
really
demonstrate
or
show
on
a
on
a
board
how
this
you
know,
connects
and
works.
It
would
make
it
easier
for
me,
but
I,
like
I
said
I
still
I'm
thinking,
ostensibly
that
it's
probably
not
a
bad
thing
I
just
I
would
like
to
have
somebody
really
be
a
little
more
clear
on
how.
F
G
C
G
A
D
Sure
there
are
multiple
things
happening
along
in
these
avenues,
especially
with
the
state
opening
up
a
faucet
of
money,
and
it's
just
a
matter
of
will
the
city
be
able
to
attach
to
some
of
that
money?
There's
conditions
on
some
of
it.
Some
of
it's.
You
know
to
do
with
housing
and
such
but,
like
I
say,
there's
virtually
a
faucet
of
money
out
there
right
now
between
mental
illness
and
homelessness,
how
it
gets
distributed.
D
That's
all
up
there,
there's
a
just
a
lot
of
different
things
that
are
going
on
different.
A
lot
of
cities
are
experimenting
with
different
approaches,
and
really
it's
a
it's
like
a
myriad
of
stuff
and
and
some
of
them
have
already
been
shut
down.
The
city
of
fullerton
just
recently
shut
down
their
safe
parking
project
that
they
were
doing
and
I'm
real
curious
to
find
out
why
that
got
shut
down,
because
it
was
a
lot
of
accolades
as
it
opened.
D
But
now
you
know,
proof
will
be
in
the
pudding
of
why
it
was
actually
shut
down.
I'm
not
sure
I
I've
heard
rumors,
but
I
want
to
find
out
the
facts.
So
that's
that
you
know
if,
when
chief
manhart
gets
off
the
phone,
maybe
we
can
come
back
to
him,
but
I
I
wanted
to
ask
him
about
a
homeless
encampment
of
a
pretty
significant
size.
It's
just.
D
H
D
D
H
Not
that
I
know
of,
but
I
can
refer
that
to
the
behavioral
health
bureau.
On
june
the
city
council
meeting
on
june
15th,
I
have
captain
nate
wilson
who's,
the
head
of
a
new
division
with
our
department,
the
behavioral
health
bureau
and
they're
gonna,
he's
gonna
break
down
what
this
new
system
is
and
and
how
to
work
and
provide
outreach
efforts
and
also
enforcement.
On
top
of
that.
So
I'll
talk
to
him
about
that.
But
you
know
one
of
the
issues
are
the
location
you're
talking
about.
H
If
we
went
down
there
we
observed
any
kind
of
criminal
activity.
That
case
would
have
to
be
filed
in
san
diego
county.
So
that's
that's.
Why
that's
why
we
don't
go
into
other
jurisdictions
and
do
that
but
yeah
I'll
I'll
talk
to
nate
and
find
out
if,
if
we
can
at
least
contact
his
peer
in
that
county
and
try
to
address
the
situation.
A
D
A
A
B
So
it's
definitely
something
around
orange
county.
That
is
a
concern
of
ours.
We
do
get
fires
out
of
homeless
encampments.
Typically,
when
we
go
to
them
all
of
ours
have
been
smaller.
I
know,
l.a
county
has
had
some
large
fires
and
even
with
some
structural
damage
from
the
fires,
the
getty
fire
was
a
big
one
of
which
lawsuit
did
come
out
of
it.
So
it's
definitely
something
we
watch
it's
we
work.
We
try
to
work
with
the
sheriff
and
and
the
city
to
try
to
manage
those
a
bit,
but
it's
it's.
B
A
B
B
So
in
those
mutual
threat,
zones
are
very
clearly
identified
with
maps
they're
identified
in
our
computer-aided
dispatch,
another
big,
probably
the
biggest
mutual
threat
zone
that
we
have
with
multiple
agencies
coming
in
just
to
kind
of
give
you
an
example
is
out
there
on
the
91
in
anaheim,
l.a
county
orange
county
corona,
cal
fire.
All
of
these
different
fire
agencies
are
converging
into
one
area
as
a
mutual
threat
zone.
B
What
we
do
and-
and
the
agreement
that
we
all
have
we
have
communication
plans
set
up
the
one
for
down
in
your
area
is
called
pros,
so
it's
pendleton
riverside
orange
and
san
diego
counties.
We
have
a
comm
plan,
that's
already
set
up
and
established
what
frequencies
we'll
use
that
we
can
all
talk
on.
B
B
The
first
thing
that
all
the
chief
officers
are
going
to
do
is
we
pinpoint
whose
dirt
it's
burning
on
and
then
we
pinpoint
which
dirt,
which
direction
it's
going
and
who
the
threats
to
so
depending
on
the
time
of
year,
just
because
location
doesn't
mean
it's
a
threat
to
orange
county.
But
on
a
day
like
this,
where
it's
warm
and
we
have
a
wind
out
of
the
south,
pushing
towards
the
north
that
fire
may
be
a
threat
to
orange
county.
B
B
If
it's
burning
in
pendleton
or
san
diego
county
and
burning
toward
orange,
we'll
go
unified
command
with
them.
We
establish
a
establishment
process
to
establish
who
the
ordering
point
is
going
to
be
so
that,
as
we
start
ordering
additional
resources,
we
need
to
make
sure
that
we're
not
double
ordering
assuming
the
other
guy's
ordering.
So
we
have
a
plan
in
place
for
that
and
then
you
know
a
lot
of
the
times.
We
go
down
into
that
north
end
of
camp
pendleton
and
it's
burning
deeper
into
pendleton.
It's
not
a
threat
to
orange
county
and
we.
D
B
B
So,
and
you
know
the
other
big
piece
of
that
is
depending
on
who
the
threat
is,
is
who
brings
the
checkbook
to
establish
who's
going
to
who's,
going
to
be
making
the
payments
to
pay
for
the
fire
as
it
continues,
especially
if
it
goes
into
an
extended
attack?
So
there's
a
a
process
that
we
use.
We,
we
have
mutual
threat
zones
out
the
ortega
and
that's
with
the
cleveland
national
forest
and
cal
fire
for
the
state
lands
in
riverside.
B
B
We
did
have
a
fire
down
there.
I
want
to
say
it's:
two
years
ago
now
turned
out.
It
was
actually
burning
on
state
parks,
property
in
the
county
of
san,
diego
burning
towards
christianitos
right
there
by
the
carl's
jr,
and
so
we
burned,
probably
about
12
acres,
never
came
into
orange
county,
but
was
a
threat
to
orange
county.
B
The
fire
went
undetermined,
but
there's
a
lot
of
homeless
activity,
no,
no
other
causes
in
the
area,
but
unless
you
can
truly
pinpoint
you
know
and
the
hard
thing
with
with
homeless
encampment
fires,
because
everybody's
usually
gone
a
lot
of
them
will
still
go
undetermined
human
caused.
But
unless
you
can
figure
out
the
material
first
ignited
the
ignition
source
and
the
event
that
brought
those
two
together,
you
need
to
have
all
three
of
those
to
truly
determine
the
origin
and
cause
of
a
fire
and
a
lot
of
times.
B
There's
multiple
competing
sources:
everybody's
gone,
so
you
don't
know
the
intent.
So
a
lot
of
those
will
be
legally
defined
as
undetermined
fires,
but
they
come
out
of
areas
where
there's
a
lot
of
human
activity,
whether
it's
homeless,
whether
it
was
kids,
you
know
a
lot
of
times,
they're
all
gone
by
the
time.
Other
people
get
there,
so
they
can
be
difficult
to
truly
pinpoint
to
homeless
activity,
homeless,
encampment,
but
we've
at
least
started
tracking
those
human-caused
fires
that
come
out
of
areas
where
there's
homeless
activity.
B
No
there's,
actually,
we
were
actually
just
flying
it
yesterday.
They
pendleton
does
a
really
really
good
job
of
maintaining
their
fire
breaks
along
the
borders
and
the
edges
of
orange
county.
They
also
have
different
environmental
regulations
to
when
you
look
at
their
fire
breaks.
They're
five,
six
dozer
blades
wide,
which
you
don't
see
here
in
orange
county
because
of
a
lot
of
our
restrictions.
B
So
every
year
it
happened
two
years
ago.
They
turn
it
pendleton's
very
smart.
They
turn
all
of
their
fuels,
maintenance
programs
into
training
programs.
So
what
they
do
is
they
bring
in
all
the
fire
bulldozers
from
across
the
state
they
offer
them.
You
know
it's
also
hard
to
to
to
find
areas
to
practice
your
skill,
so
they
bring
dozers
from
literally
northern
california.
Our
dozers
participate
every
year
and
by
the
end
of
it
all
of
camp
pendleton's.
B
Very
large
fire
breaks
are
completed
like
I
said
they
just
finished
theirs
la
two
weeks
ago.
They
get
free,
labor
out
of
all
the
fire
departments
and
we
get
free
training
out
of
camp
pendleton.
So
it's
a
mutual
benefit.
But
if
you
look
at
that
area,
where
gary's
talking
about
there
are
great
fire
breaks
all
along
the
edges
of
camp
pendleton
and
they
do
a
very
aggressive
job
with
that.
D
Well,
there's
probably
no
less
than
500
bills
out
there,
but
there's
nothing
that
directly
impacts
the
city.
There's
there's
a
a
lot
of
different
bills
that
could
impact
police
enforcement
and
the
way
the
police
are
able
to
handle
and
perform.
But
as
far
as
that
would
just
we
would
just
see
the
repercussions
of
that,
but
there's
nothing
directly.
D
D
D
There's
there's
one
or
two
exceptions:
they've
actually
amended
it
a
couple
times
here
and
there's
a
couple
things
that
but
anyways
somebody
could
actually
commit
a
crime
and
then,
if
they
felt
that
they
were
too
roughly
handled
by
the
police,
then
they
could
literally
sue
for
it
would
allow
for
them
to
be
compensated.
So
again,.
D
D
G
D
Yeah
yeah,
actually
I
do
know
about
that.
It
it's
murky
right
now,
because
the
cities
costa
mesa,
enacted
several
laws
that
would
prohibit,
put
regulations
on
where
sober
living
homes
could
be
established.
How
many
they
kind
of
a
zone
kind
of
thing
so
not
to
overwhelm
cities
and,
as
it
turns
out,
the
state
now
decides.
Despite
the
fact
that
cities
won
several
legal
battles
on
this
and
everything
now
all
sudden
the
state's
coming
around
going
like.
Well,
that's
that's,
not
good.
D
D
G
Yeah,
I
think
we're
running
pretty
much
ahead
of
schedule.
Justin
at
it
has
gotten
all
the
different
districts
together,
the
seven
districts
we
have
and
he's
got
him
into
blocks
now.
So
we
really
got
our
geological,
a
map
together
and
pretty
well
organized.
So
we
know
what,
if
someone
calls
up?
You
know
they
say.
Well,
I
live
on
this
street.
Well,
we
know
what
block
and
what
section
they're
going
to
be
in
so
rick
and
I
are
planning
to
get
together
shortly.
G
So
once
rick
and
I
get
together
and
and
talk
about
that
and
get
an
outline
together,
then
we'll
make
a
presentation
to
council
and
show
where
we,
where
we
have
come
so
far,
and
what
we
would
like
to
do
to
get
some
input
on
it
before,
because
up
until
now,
we
haven't
really
wasted
or
spent
a
bunch
of
money.
We're
wasting
much
time.
One
of
the
really
nice
things
that
happened
when
justin
mank
was
doing
the
seven
districts
brian
brauer
came
up.
G
Not
a
problem
yeah,
and
so
he
has
overlays.
So
you
we
could
do
an
overlay
of
a
certain
map
area
to
show
where
all
the
sober
living
homes
are
all
detox,
centers,
all
short-term
lodging
units
you
know
and
or
anything
if
everybody
wants
to
get
into
where
sex
offenders
live
or
whatever
it
may
be.
So
people
could
call
up
on
the
city
website
and
and
see
where
these
occupants
are
so
we're
pretty
excited
about
when
they
came
up
with
that.
G
That
was
a
pretty
neat
addition
to
it.
So
they're
doing
a
great
job
over
there
and
I
think
rick
and
I
hopefully
this
the
next
couple
of
two
or
three
weeks
we'll
get
together
and
then
we'll
we'll
talk
to
adam
to
see
when
we
could
present
at
the
council.
So
that's
about
where
we
are.
You
got
anything
rick.
E
If
you
would
like
to
update
the
council,
I
think
the
easiest
way
to
do
that
would
be
to
do
a
presentation
on
the
neighborhood
watch
program
and
then
I'll
work
with
the
city
managers
office
to
provide
the
time
of
the
meeting
for
the
council
members
if
they
have
not
been
able
to
watch
that
particular
meeting
so
that
they're
updated
on
it.
But
there's
really
nothing.
You
need
to
get
council's
direction
on
before
moving
forward
with
with
the
neighborhood
watch
program,.
A
C
E
What
I'm
saying
is:
I
don't
think
that
this
needs
to
go
to
council
for
a
an
approval
before
you
simply
carry
out
the
neighborhood
watch
program.
The
council,
you
know
everything
that
we're
discussing
is
in
a
public
forum.
The
council
watches
these
meetings
and
if
they
have
a
concern
about
the
way
that
this
is
moving
forward,
they
can
call
it
up.
We
have
the
maps
available
to
show
today,
if
you'd
like
to
to
do
that.
C
C
G
G
So
our
intent
was
to
have
a
district
chief,
seven
of
them
and
then
every
block
would
have
a
block
captain
that
would
report
to
that
district
chief,
so
justin
has
it
all
now
in
all
in
seven
districts
are
in
sections
like
this
or
in
blocks,
and
then
we'll
we'll
be
starting.
The
next
meeting
with
rick,
and
I
we're
going
to
start
on
how
we're
going
to
start
filling
those
positions
and
what
our
our
criteria
is
going
to
be
for
the
next
couple
months.
G
G
D
Yo,
can
I
interject
something
here:
real,
quick,
I'm
sure
when
you're
saying
that,
where
the
sober
living
homes
are
that
you're,
just
that's
just
a
over
mistake
or
kind
of
a
miscommunication
in
your
part,
because
I'm
sure
you're
familiar
that
people
that
are
drug
and
alcohol,
rehab
type
people,
they
are
protected
under
the
ada
and
they're
a
protected
class
of
people
and-
and
that
would
probably
be
illegal.
If
you
did
so,
I'm
sure
that's
not
exactly
what
you
meant
is
that
correct.
D
G
E
C
Yeah,
I
I
mean
I
think
we
can
find
out
where
those
are
now
just
by
going
on
online
you
now
you
can't
publish
people's
names
that
are
actually
there
as
patients,
but
the
the
places
that
are
that
are
licensed
certified
sober
living
facilities.
It's
I
think,
it's
public
knowledge,
I've
I've
been
able
to
find
out
where
they
are
easily.
C
But
that's
like
that's,
basically
it
what
you're
looking
at
now,
those
little
those
little
blue
lines
are
within
an
actual
district
and
all
the
little
blue
segments,
approximately
anywhere
between
18
and
20.
Some
odd
are
what
will
be
the
actual
blocks
within
those
districts
and
you
know
have
a
block
happen
and
have
all
their
stuff.
So
throughout
the
city
I
mean
gosh,
I
think,
there's
I
think,
there's
close
to
200
actual
block.
You
know
actual
segmented
blocks
somewhere
in
there,
so
it's
actually
pretty
pretty
extensive.
E
C
E
C
A
C
H
Yeah,
that's
correct,
so
I
spoke
at
the
last
city
council
meeting
and
obviously
we've
discussed
it
too
that
we're
having
problems
with
bicycles,
e-bikes
in
particular
throughout
the
city.
So
I
pulled
the
stats
just
for
this
year
and
we've
had
11
vehicle
versus
bicycle
accidents
and
out
of
those
11,
eight
of
them
have
been
involved
in
with
miners
on
the
bikes
and
they've
resulted
anywhere
from
complaint
of
pain
to
multiple
fractures.
So
I
mean
it's,
one
was
one
was
too
many
and
11
is
completely
unacceptable.
H
H
But
when
somebody
else
violates
that
they
lose
regardless
and
bicyclists
are
the
same
way
and
we
just
we
want
drivers
and
vehicles
to
be
aware
of
the
of
the
bicyclists,
and
we
also
want
the
bicycles
to
do
everything
they
can
do
to
be
safe.
And
so
that's
so
tomorrow,
tomorrow's
gonna
be
fun.
So
if
you
guys
are
interested
come
on
out
or
anybody
watching,
please
sign
up
and
participate.
It'll
be
a
good
time.
H
H
Yeah,
that
was
that
that
was
really
unfortunate,
and
you
know
that
is
it's
just
not
good
and
yeah,
and
you
know
we
just
want
everybody
to
be
safe
and,
unfortunately
that
it
doesn't
take
a
whole
lot
of
people.
You
know
to
get
involved
in
that
kind
of
behavior
to
where
it
becomes
unsafe
and
yeah
that
I
really
yeah.
I
really
hope
that
doesn't
come
to
any
more
cities
and
hope
everybody
kind
of
learned
that
that's
probably
not
a
good
idea
to
do
that.
G
H
A
H
Yeah,
it's
construction's
going
and
it's
looking
really
good.
Walls
are
up,
and
I'm
hoping
I'm
hoping
sometime
in
august
that
we
completely
move
from
aliso
viejo
down
here
and
have
all
assets
come
out
of
city
hall.
So
that's
construction
is
going
forward.
The
guys
are
doing
a
great
job
and
could
happen
sooner,
but
I'll
I
will
take
ex
whatever
I
can
get,
but
yeah
sometime
in
august
is
the
target
date.
H
B
B
Another
thing
that
we
have
scheduled
for
the
middle
of
june
is
a
tabletop
exercise
with
the
command
staff
from
the
sheriff's
department.
So
ed,
and
I
will
both
be
there-
county-wide
drill
on
evacuations
some
of
the
we
had
one
last
year
right
before
our
fires,
and
it
proved
to
be
helpful
and
now
we're
going
to
do
another
one
with
some
lessons
learned
from
last
year
and
continue
to
move
that
forward.
B
B
The
difference
is
with
older
communities
versus
newer
communities,
and
really
the
biggest
difference
is
communities
that
are
built
with
a
different
fire
code.
So
a
lot
of
our
success
last
year
in
irvine
had
to
do
with
fire
codes.
Fuel
management,
fuel
modification
zones
defensible
space
as
well
as
the
structures
themselves
that
are
fire
hardened
built
under
a
completely
different
code.
B
Telega
is
is
very
similar
to
some
of
the
areas
that
we
saw
that
were
that
we
were
working
in
last
year
in
the
irvine
and
lake
forest
area
as
compared
to
the
southern
portion
of
san
clemente
will
be
a
different
challenge
and
even
some
of
the
coastal
canyons,
with
how
overgrown
some
of
those
are.
An
older
community
is
much
more
similar
to
what
some
of
the
fires
we've
experienced
in
laguna.
So
we
were
able
to
look
at
all
of
that
from
the
from
the
sky.
B
Also,
look
at
the
border
between
pendleton
and
san
clemente
to
see
the
work
that
is
done
annually
by
camp
pendleton
to
help
us
and
help
san
clemente,
one
of
the
other
things
that
we
have
coming
up
june,
7th
through
11th.
I
talked
a
little
bit
about
how
camp
pendleton
gets
cheap
labor
by
turning
them
into
training
exercises.
B
Well,
every
year,
camp
pendleton
burns
off
acres,
tens
and
tens
of
acres
of
area
around
their
impact
zones
to
help
control
fires
and
their
goal
is
to
keep
their
fires
on
the
base,
and
so
the
seventh,
through
the
11th.
We
have
what
we
call
fire
school.
We
literally
set
it
up
and
run
it
like
an
incident
and
what
we
do
is
they.
They
literally
start
fires
in
certain
areas.
B
We
let
it
burn
for
about
three
or
four
minutes,
and
then
we
send
three
fire
engines
to
go
put
them
out,
and
these
are
areas
that
that
get
burned
every
year.
So
it's
annual
grasses.
It's
not
large
heavy
vegetation,
that's
burning
and
it's
an
annual
thing
that
we
do
so.
We
look
forward
to
that
and
you'll
see
engine
companies
from
all
over
southern
california
participating
in
it.
So
if
you
do
see
some
smoke,
the
first
you
know
the
7th
through
the
11th,
that's
what
we're
doing
down
there
and
once
again
it's
it's.
B
The
main
purpose
is
fuels
management
and
mitigation,
and
then
the
last
update,
hopefully
we'll
have
a
a
trek,
59
new
brand
new
truck
59
in
service
by
time
of
our
next
meeting,
our
goal
right
now,
they're
putting
finalizing
some
radios
and
we
should
have
brand
new
100
103
foot
aerial
in
place
june
12th
was
the
last
date
that
I
heard
so
hopefully
it'll
be
in
service.
I
can
see
some
pictures
of
it
in
the
fire
station
by
our
next
meeting
and
that's
kind
of
my
updates.
Unless
you
have
some
other
questions.
B
B
I
know
that
there's
some
requests
to
make
sure
that
people
are
vaccinated,
so
I've
offered
for
a
council
member
duncan
that
I
can
drive
him
around
in
my
vehicle
and
we
can
kind
of
look
at
some
things,
but
ride-alongs
and
fire
engines
are
probably
fingers
crossed.
Hopefully
june
15th.
We
start
to
see
that
lighten
up
a
little
bit
and
the
fire
stations,
but
we'll
see
how
that
goes.
I
A
I
Rip
currents
are
the
main
contributing
factor,
creating
potential
life-threatening
situations
along
our
coast,
so
learn
to
swim,
always
swim
near
a
lifeguard.
In
fact,
we
encourage
those
visiting
the
beach
to
talk
to
a
lifeguard
to
find
out
where
those
rip
currents
are
and
where
the
safe
place
to
swim
is
alcohol
and
swimming
definitely
do
not
mix
and
swim
with
a
buddy.
Those
are
some
of
the
safety
tips
and
the
city
just
posted
a
psa
for
national
beach
safety
week
on
the
city
instagram
account.
I
So
you
can
see
that
right
there,
so
officially
we'll
have
school
gets
out
on.
The
third
is
the
last
day
of
school,
so
our
official
summer
will
start
on
june
4th.
So
this
weekend,
you'll
see
full
summer
staffing
and
on
june
4th
through
labor
day
you'll
see
full
summer
staffing
on
the
beach
here.
Our
junior
lifeguards
registration
went
well
on
may
12th.
We
have
a
waitlist
for
most
sessions
and
we
start
on
june
7th.
I
They
run
three
weeks
and
there's
a
morning
and
an
afternoon
session,
so
we'll
see
a
lot
of
happy
junior
lifeguards
back
in
the
program
since
we
did
not
run
the
program
last
year.
We're
super
excited
about
that
attended,
a
planning
meeting
for
the
july
4th,
so
we're
excited
to
have
the
fireworks
again
off
the
end
of
the
pier.
I
So
that
is
definitely
a
go.
The
water's
been
as
warm
as
69
in
the
last
two
weeks
right
now,
it's
66.,
but
it
dropped.
It's
been
dropping
in
the
morning
since
about
63-62,
and
we've
had
quite
a
bit
of
surf
so
this
weekend
supposed
to
be
three
to
four
four
to
five
on
monday.
So
with
the
crowds
with
the
holiday
weekend,
I'm
sure
we'll
be
very
active.
I
I
You
know
it's
been
pretty
good,
however,
in
the
last
couple
weeks
I
think
we've
had
a
little
bit
of
an
uptick
south
of
t
street
and
we've
notified
adam
and
adamson
his
park
rangers
down
there.
But
it's
it
has
you
know
like
in
years
past.
It's
been
really
bad,
but
it's
just
been
like
one
or
two
down
south
of
tower
seven
between
tower
seven
and
tower
nine.
A
A
A
A
The
there's
talk
about
having
the
eoc
moved
to
city
hall
from
the
public
works
buildings,
so
that'd
be
interesting.
Also,
I'm
interested
in
getting
face-to-face
meetings
of
the
community,
and
so,
whenever
that's
available,
hopefully
I'll
be
the
first
one
to
let
you
guys
know
and
we
can
get
get
going
on
there,
and
we
can
actually
do
some
demonstrations
of
different
equipment,
different
projects
and
be
very
interesting.
A
G
C
C
C
C
G
E
E
E
What
we
regulate
are
residential
land
uses
that
cover
a
broad
category
of
of
uses
and
the
one
that
most
silver
living
homes
would
fit
into
is
called
a
boarding
house
and
what?
What
makes
our
regulations
not
discriminatory,
which
is
where
other
cities
have
gotten
into
the
trouble?
Whether
or
not
they've
won
lawsuits.
E
The
state
of
california
has
proposed
legislation
to
further
limit
the
ability
of
local
municipalities
to
regulate
sober
living
homes,
specifically
different
than
they
do
with
other
group
homes.
This
san
clemente's
ordinance
covers
boarding
houses,
and
this
is
these
are
regulations
based
on
the
number
of
rental
agreements
or
leases
that
exist
within
a
particular
dwelling
unit.
E
E
Medical,
the
provision
of
medical
services
in
residential
properties,
those
regulations
are
handled
by
the
state.
We
look
at
that
regulations
that
maintain
the
the
quality
of
a
residential
neighborhood,
and
if
anybody
has
any
additional
questions
on
that,
I'm
always
more
than
happy
to
to
answer
those.
C
One
more
quick
thing
and
I'm
sorry
I
forgot
I
got
so
involved
in
other
stuff,
but
I
just
wanted
to
to
recognize
a
a
exemplary
citizen
that
passed
away
a
week
ago.
I
know
many
of
you
probably
know
him
bill
hart.
He
was
actually
part
of
the
public
safety
task
force
that
wrote
the
matrix
that
we
were
given
when
we
first
started.
C
This
just
recently
ran
for
city
council
he's
been
a
member
of
the
planning
commission
he's
the
current
president,
or
was
the
current
president
at
the
time
of
his
passing
of
the
friends
of
san
clemente.
That
benefits
the
parts
and
reps
gives
scholarships
to
to
kids
that
can't
afford
to
go
to
camp
here.
C
He's
also
was
past.
President
of
the
pure
pride
foundation.
It's
done
a
ton
of
work
for
getting
the
peer
back
up
to
snub
and
he's
been
a
friend
of
the
beaches
and
harbors
for
for
years.
A
a
true
advocate
for
the
city,
there's
been
nobody
over
the
last
20
years,
but
in
more
years
of
volunteer
service
to
the
city,
and
we
again
we
just
lost
a
a
great
citizen,
and
I
just
wanted.