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B
B
B
F
F
No
problem,
thank
you
that
use
permit,
there's
a
request
for
an
amendment
and
that's
what
is
being
reviewed
this
evening.
The
project
site
is
shown
here,
a
map
to
the
right
and
some
details
on
the
left.
The
property
is
60.4
Acres,
it's
zoned
as
Regional
commercial
within
our
Marblehead
Coastal
specific
plan.
F
The
outlets
opened
in
2015.,
quick
history
on
programming
at
the
outlets
in
2017,
the
property
owners
requested
a
series
of
special
activities
through
the
city
process,
for
the
special
activity
permit
that
you
can
get
up
to
15
events
through
that
process
and,
and
that
was
awarded
at
that
time.
While
they
went
through
those
events,
they
also
requested
a
permanent
program
of
events
which,
as
I
have
mentioned,
was
approved
in
January
of
2018..
That's
also
that
that
program
is
referenced
in
the
final
attachment
that
was
within
the
the
staff
report
currently
2022.
F
There
are
amendments
requested
for
three
items.
One
was
approved
initially
within
that
program
of
events
a
car
show.
However,
the
frequency
was
specified
as
seasonal
and
the
request
is
to
have
that
change
to
be
a
weekly
recurrence.
The
other
two
were
not
specified
previously.
That's
a
bi-weekly
food
distribution
and
a
seasonal
or
holiday
partnership.
Opportunity.
F
A
quick
breakdown
of
those
event
types,
so
the
bi-weekly
food
distribution
would
be
up
to
two
food
distribution
events
per
week,
managed
by
a
military
food
bank
and
or
a
local,
religious
or
nonprofit
group,
and
there
is
a
condition
of
approval,
a
draft
condition
of
approval
specifically
tied
to
this
that's
number
51,
and
it
does
specify
two
events
per
week.
Two
hours,
each
the
seasonal
holiday
partnership
event
is
a
request
to
partner
with
local,
religious
or
nonprofit
organizations.
F
F
This
slide
does
show
that
site
plan
that
was
referenced
so
condition
53
sub
Point
e
requires
vehicles
to
route
along
the
rear
of
the
property.
There
are
existing
fixed
swinging
Gates.
At
the
entry
point,
that's
shown
between
the
green
and
blue
rectangles
on
this
site
plan.
So
staff's
recommendation
is
that
the
one
to
the
right
be
closed
and
to
have
participant
Vehicles
route
exclusively
through
the
rear
of
the
property
to
the
upper
level
of
the
parking
structure.
F
F
A
quick
summary
of
this
packet
is
within
the
the
zoning
that
we're
looking
at
the
Marblehead
Coastal
specific
plan.
There
is
a
prioritization
of
expanding
the
city's
tax
base,
while
also
operating
compatibly
with
the
adjacent
neighborhoods
events
do
support
the
success
and
long-term
viability
of
the
outlets.
That's
demonstrated
in
some
of
the
data
that
is
provided
in
the
staff
report
and
the
infrastructure
is
sufficient
to
accommodate
the
requested
events.
F
F
F
B
Thank
you
did
you
did
you
talk
to
the
applicant
about
maybe
wanted
to.
You
know,
speak
briefly
at
the
beginning
or
at
the
end
of
you
know,
public
comments
or
what.
F
B
I
think
it
should
be
now,
and
that
would
if
you
sit
here
what
they
have
to
say
so
yeah.
G
Planning
Commissioners,
my
name
is
Susan
generic
I'm,
the
general
manager
of
the
Outlets
of
San,
Clemente
I've
been
there
for
seven
years.
So
we
really
appreciate
the
time
and
effort
that
you've
put
into
reviewing
And
discussing
our
cup
modification
request.
We
also
want
to
thank
Jonathan
Lightfoot
and
the
others
that
have
been
involved
with
the
staff
report.
G
G
Event
has
been
a
tremendous
positive
impact
for
our
Center,
as
well
as
the
city
of
San
Clemente
over
the
past
five
years,
not
only
driving
Revenue
to
the
center
and
kicking
off
Saturday
sales
activity,
but
also
bringing
so
many
people
from
San
Diego,
Orange,
County
and
L.A
counties
into
San
Clemente,
where
they
shop
dine
and
enjoy
our
beautiful
Village
By.
The
Sea
stabbing
or
limiting
the
frequency
will
have
extreme
negative
impacts
for
our
families,
who
are
enjoying
this
family-friendly
event.
G
Our
customers,
who
love
adding
the
event
to
their
pre-shopping
plans
and
to
our
tenants
who
make
20
percent
of
their
sales
during
this
important
time
period
and
to
the
city
who
will
lose
tax
revenue
and
disappoint
many
people.
If
this
program
changes,
we
would
like
to
have
James
Weir,
one
of
the
co-founders
of
Cars
and
Coffee
address
the
Planning
Commission
and
the
staff
report
on
our
behalf.
H
However,
it's
not
just
the
outlets
that
benefit
attendees
leave
the
event
go
to
restaurants
and
businesses
within
San
Clemente,
creating
revenue
and
employment
for
locals,
whilst
also
contributing
tax
dollars
to
the
city.
Because
of
this,
the
San
Clemente
Chamber
of
Commerce
has
even
offered
its
support
to
the
show.
H
South,
ocas
and
coffee
has
become
so
successful
that
it's
drawn
Automotive
manufacturers
to
Showcase
pre-production
and
prototype
Vehicles,
including
McLaren
Maserati,
Jaguar,
Range
Rover,
and
many
more.
We've
also
had
a
display
featuring
all
the
featuring
cars
from
the
Hollywood
Blockbuster
Movie
4
versus
Ferrari,
how
great
that
the
people
of
our
San
Clemente
get
eyes
on
these
before
the
rest
of
the
country.
H
South
OC,
Cars
and
Coffee
has
been
chosen
to
host
episodes
of
several
television
shows,
including
the
war
including
the
world,
according
to
Jeff
Goldblum
Wheeler
Dealers
in
the
red
that
got
away
beyond
all
these
exciting
events.
The
thing
that
we're
most
proud
of
is
our
ability
to
give
back
to
our
community
and
Beyond.
Each
year
we
host
toys
for
Marines,
where
attendees
donate
toys
to
Children
of
Marines,
who
are
either
deployed
or
going
through
financial
hardship
for
the
last
four
years.
Our
generous
attendees
have
helped
us
fill
the
back
of
a
military
truck
with
toys.
H
We've
also
helped
events
for
TV
celebrity
chip
versus
charity,
Amy's
Depot,
providing
funds
to
help
do
research
on
Progeria
and
other
children's
diseases.
We
also
hosted
cruising
for
akua
an
event
designed
to
raise
awareness
and
funds
for
prostate
cancer
cancer
cancer,
which
will
include
on-site
testing
for
men.
This
event
has
been
going
on
for
22
years
and
since
that
time
it's
provided
testing
to
tens
of
thousands
of
men
and
saved
lives
of
over
3
500
through
early
detection.
H
We
also
recently
hosted
a
fundraising
event
for
the
local
Boys
and
Girls
Club
in
conjunction
with
40
year
old
San,
Clemente
company
sonance
and
the
charity
Foundation.
We
take
the
safety
and
behavior
of
our
attendees
and
the
broader
Community
extremely
seriously.
We
have
31
signs
spread
throughout
the
outlets
to
advise
attendees
of
the
rules,
as
well
as
providing
providing
safety
for
pedestrians
and
clear
directions
to
drivers
to
ensure
traffic
flows
smoothly
and
crowds,
don't
gather
early.
Additionally,
we
place
a
sign
in
the
entrance
to
Sea
Summit
indicating
residents
only
to
avoid
unnecessary
noise
and
traffic.
H
We
start
each
week
with
a
volunteer
meeting
at
7
45,
where
there
are
assigned
locations
for
each
of
the
two
shifts,
given
a
brief
of
any
expected
groups
attending
and
a
total
of
any
previous
offenders.
To
look
out
for
they're,
positioned
strategically
throughout
the
premises
intersections
pedestrian,
Crossings
and
exits
and
anywhere
attendees
may
be
tempted
to
speed
or
make
excessive
noise
there's.
Also
a
volunteer
positioned
at
the
entrance
into
sea
Summit.
Ensuring
attendees
do
not
enter
the
residential
area
unnecessarily.
H
We
do
regular
live
feeds
on
social
media
and
include
a
message
at
the
beginning
of
each
of
our
weekly
videos,
reminding
our
followers
of
the
rules
and
the
consequences
if
they
fail
to
adhere
to
them.
This
is
not
only
for
their
behavior
on
the
site,
but
also
how
they
enter
and
exit
the
premises
and
even
merge
onto
the
I5
as
they're
leaving.
Additionally,
we
call
out
offenders
on
social
media
and
ban
them
from
attending
future
events.
H
As
part
of
this
ongoing
cooperation,
we
work
together
to
coordinate
strategies
that
ensure
that
people
are
entering
and
exiting
the
property
safely
and
make
necessary
changes
to
according
to
what
the
security
recommends
under
the
new
management
of
the
outlet
security
team.
Since
March
of
this
year,
we've
made
changes
to
our
protocol
to
help
reduce
noise
noise,
improve
the
flow
of
traffic
and
to
ensure
that
we
have
members
of
the
security
team,
monitoring
the
main
entrances
and
exits
of
the
property.
H
Aside
from
my
annual
toys
from
Marines
charity
event,
South
OC
cause
and
coffee
waste
closely
with
Camp
Pendleton
to
get
Marines
on
our
volunteer
roster
with
up
to
a
dozen
joining
us
each
and
every
week
we
provide
them
with
an
official
Loa,
a
letter
of
appreciation
for
their
volunteer
hours,
which
is
good
for
their
careers.
It
also
allows
them
to
interact
with
locals
at
a
community
event,
which
is
great
for
both
the
city
and
for
Camp
Pendleton
South,
OC,
Cars
and
Coffee
has
earned
the
reputation
amongst
Kasha,
organizers
and
Regulators
as
being
a
well-oiled
machine.
H
We're
constantly
contacted
by
other
events
around
the
world
asking
where
how
we're
able
to
run
such
a
tight
ship.
The
answer
is
simple
planning
communication
attention
to
detail
and
a
lot
of
hard
work,
our
family
for
our
family
and
our
volunteers.
This
is
a
labor
of
love
and
goes
well
beyond
the
9
A.M
to
11
A.M
time
frame
of
the
event
over
the
many
years
of
Hosting.
H
This
event,
we've
experienced
we've
experimented
with
countless
plans
for
entry
and
exit
and
have
finally
landed
on
a
plan
that
works
not
only
to
limit
noise
for
the
residents
and
the
surrounding
neighborhoods,
but
also
allows
for
standard
customers
of
the
outlet
property
to
come
and
go
as
they
please
without
having
to
deal
with
the
excess
traffic
in
the
property.
From
the
event
any
changes
made
to
these
could
reduce
and
increase.
It
could
result
in
increased
noise
traffic
and
could
limit
the
access
for
Outlets
employees
and
customers.
H
Every
week
countless
people
come
up
to
my
family
and
I
and
tell
us
how
much
the
show
means
to
them
for
some,
it's
a
father
and
son,
or
father
and
daughter
time
for
others.
It's
a
family
ritual
that
spans
across
two
or
even
sometimes
three
generations,
and
for
many,
it's
simply
a
place
for
friends
to
gather
and
enjoy
the
atmosphere
of
happy
people
enjoying
what
they
love
to
do.
I'm
extremely
proud
of
what
we've
created,
not
because
of
the
success
of
the
show,
but
because
of
what
it
means
to
so
many
people.
H
These
people
who
have
now
become
our
extended
family.
My
family
and
I
moved
to
San
Clemente
from
Australia
12
years
ago,
and
South
OC,
Cars
and
Coffee
is
our
way
of
giving
back
to
a
city.
That's
become
our
home
and
thanking
the
community
that
has
accepted
us
as
their
own.
Please
note
that
the
pending
conditional
use
permit
is
only
requesting
what
we've
done
since
the
Inception
of
this
event,
2017
we're
not
asking
for
an
increase
in
frequency
or
anything
alike.
We're
simply
asking
to
continue
what
we've
been
successfully
running
for
the
last
several
years.
J
Only
thing
I
really
have
is,
under
the
attic
conditions,
53e
to
be
exact,
the
closing
of
the
metal
gates
on
the
property
those
metal
gates
are
in
place
to
secure
the
property
on
the
overnight.
We
believe
that
closing
those
Gates
during
operational
hours
will
lead
to
increased
traffic
noise
and
possible
safety
concerns
along
the
rear
of
the
property
is
our
main
trash,
compactors
delivery,
courts
and
Etc.
J
That
stuff
is
usually
done
in
the
morning
time
before
the
Outlets
open,
and
if
that
was
to
be
full
with
cars
in
line
for
Cars
and
Coffee,
it
would
create
a
great
congestion.
As
far
as
the
flashing
lights
it's
been
tried
before
before
my
time
it
doesn't
seem
to
have
worked,
and
we
disagree
that
the
lights
need
to
be
flashing.
Thank
you.
B
To
we
will
get
to
public
comments,
but
first
we
ask
if
we
have
any
questions.
Do
any
Commissioners
have
questions
at
the
moment
of
Staff
or
applicant.
C
J
It's
not
that
big
setup
for
that.
We
currently
don't
have
any
traffic
concerns
on
the
property
or
outside
the
property
as
far
as
traffic.
If
the
event
was
that
large,
there
would
be
major
traffic
concerns.
Okay,
thank.
K
You
I
have
a
question.
Thank
you.
Could
you
tell
me
how
many
people
attend
300
cars,
but
how
many
visitors
does
it
attract
I.
J
J
The
security
of
the
outlet
center
itself
is
the
same.
We
do
increase
the
security
just
specifically
for
the
event,
but
we
also
rely
on
the
approximately
30
volunteers
per
shift
that
Cars
and
Coffee
brings
to
the
event
themselves.
J
Outside
of
counting
them,
I
I
would
not
know
how
to
accomplish
that
number,
and
it
varies
week
to
week
based
on
weather
Etc.
Thank
you.
C
I
do
have
another
question,
well
didn't
mean
to
have
you
sit
down
there?
Okay,
have
you
ever
considered
limiting
the
type
of
vehicle
that
shows
up
on
a
certain
day,
say
odd
weekends
would
be
non-high
performance.
C
J
H
How
wide
the
demographic
is
and
the
the
way
in
which
we
communicate
with
people
a
lot
of
people
follow
our
social
media,
but
we
also
do
have
a
lot
of
an
older
crowd
that
doesn't
really
pay
attention
to
social
media.
A
lot
of
these
people
having
classic
cars
or
something
that
wouldn't
fit
the
SP
the
requirements
for
any
given
weekend.
We
do
limit
the
entrance
so
as
soon
we
have
a
specified
area
for
the
show,
which
is
about
three
three
to
four
hundred
cars
and
as
soon
as
that's
full.
We
count
it
off.
C
I'm
not
saying
or
just
it's
total
I
mean
just
saying:
okay,
it's
going
to
be
pre-2000.
H
We
we
could
absolutely
try
to
limit
it,
but
I
believe
because
of
how
wide
the
demographic
is.
A
lot
of
people
wouldn't
get
the
message.
We
could
try
marketing
it.
You
know
way
ahead
of
time,
but
we've
tried
this
with
other
events
that
we
own
and
it's
it's
really
hard
to
get
the
point
across
to
certain
people.
A
lot
of
people
just
don't
pay
attention
to
social
media.
L
A
L
You
mentioned
foreign,
sorry
to
turn
my
mic
on
that
helps.
You
mentioned
that
uid
offenders
of
I
guess
a
speed
limit
or
whatever
off-site,
and
then
you
somehow
prevent
them
from
attending.
How
does
that
work?
Yes,.
H
H
Course
yeah,
so
I
volunteer
as
a
train
to
snap
the
pitches
of
a
license
plate
in
a
vehicle
anytime
that
they
offend
or
break
one
of
our
rules
and
from
there
we
have
a
documented
list
of
everyone.
That's
been
banned
from
the
property.
We
also
put
it
up
on
our
Facebook
page.
We
call
it
name
and
shaming
people
that
breakout
rules
where
we
publicly
call
them
out
for
doing
these
offenses
and
they're
not
welcome
back
and
as
soon
as
they
come
up.
H
We
kind
of
reference
our
list
and
all
the
volunteers
are
made
aware
of
the
people
that
had
offended
in
the
past
and
they're
not
welcome
back,
and
we
turn
them
around.
H
L
H
It's
the
ones
that
tend
to
play
It's
the
ones
on
display.
Yes,
so
if
it's
a,
if
it's
a
show
vehicle
that
breaks
out
rules,
we
take
a
photo
of
it
and,
as
I
said,
we
put
it
up
on
social
media
and
then
from
the
amount
of
people
that
we
have
working
this
event
every
week,
most
of
the
time,
people
will
call
it
out
right
away
or
if
not,
we
do
have
a
list
that
we
reference
every
week.
H
L
H
The
at
the
northern
entrance,
the
entrance
by
Starbucks
that's
our
main
entrance,
and
if
these
people
come
in,
we
tell
them
hey
you
sped,
or
you
tried
to
peel
out
last
week.
You're
no
longer
welcome
at
this
event.
If
it
was
a
minor
offense
like
they,
they
blipped
their
throttle
and
rev
we'll
tell
them
not
to
come
back
for
a
month,
but
if
it's
a
serious
offense,
we
ban
them
indefinitely.
We
tell
them
that
they're,
not
welcoming.
H
L
You're
aware
that
the
staff
is
recommending
a
reduction
from
weekly
I
think
as
as
one
of
the.
H
Yes,
so
while
we
appreciate
the
opportunity
of
doing
this
event
weekly
from
April
to
September
and
understand
that
bi-weekly
events
might
be
viewed
as
a
way
to
kind
of
compromise
or
mitigate
concerns,
our
experience
has
shown
that
people
are
still
going
to
show
up.
Even
if
we
even
on
those
off
weeks
and
without
security,
signage
volunteers,
it
could
create
more
of
a
hectic
environment
than
if
we
were
there
to
officially
hold
it
in
a
controlled
manner,
which
is
why
we
are
asking
for
weekly
events.
H
It
could
create
I
ask
if,
if
it's
good
enough
for
75
of
the
time,
why
not
the
other
25?
You
know
we're
bringing
an
extra
20
of
traffic
to
the
outlets
in
just
the
three
hours
that
we're
operating
every
Saturday
and
after
Consulting
with
countless
employees
of
Starbucks,
rubies,
rockwells
and
other
establishments
within
the
outlets.
It's
been
confirmed
that
Saturday
mornings
are
busy
than
any
other
time
of
the
week
and
it's
better
for
revenue
for
every
other
time
of
the
week
as
well.
H
According
to
the
the
studies
done
by
independent
studies
and
then
Studies
by
the
city
as
well,
five
hundred
thousand
dollars
is
added
to
the
bottom
line
of
rubies
and
rockwells,
and
that
would
be
drastically
cut
down.
If
we
cut
25
of
our
events
out
every
year,.
H
It's
the
last
Sunday
of
every
month,
yes,
but
it's
hosted
on
the
the
beach
in
San
Clemente,
so
everyone
that
we
bring
out
in
terms
of
vendors,
those
people
are
all
invited
and
we
do
encourage
people
go
into
the
city,
but
it's
the
last
Sunday
of
every
month,
but
it
is
there's
a
much
more
strict
permitting
process.
We
have
to
pay
for
the
site
fees
and
there's
a
lot
of
extra
stuff
that
we
have
to
do,
because
it
is
a
like
a
state
planned
event.
Okay,.
H
Yeah
I
mean
it.
It
is
mostly
through
social
media.
We
do
try
if,
if
there's
some
something
that
comes
up
like
foot
covid,
we
have
a
physically
standing
and
telling
every
car
that
came
in
that
this
would
be
the
last
weekend
that
we
would
be
hosting
it
for
a
while,
but
social
media
is
our
primary.
Is
our
primary
way
of
communicating
with
these
people,
but
from
our
social
media
about
94
of
the
people
that
follow
us
on
social
media
are
from
San
Clemente?
H
L
H
So
we
have
volunteers,
we
we
call
them
floating,
so
they're
going
to
be
walking
around
the
parking
lot,
making
sure
that
the
spaces
are
filled
and
we
use
our
two-way
radios
and
once
those
spaces
are
filled,
we'll
radio
to
the
front
and
tell
them
to
Cone
off
the
entrance
and
that
we're
not
letting
anyone
else
in.
B
M
M
J
J
Specifically,
for
the
show
correct,
we
have
our
normal
Staffing,
which
is
we
have
a
minimum
of
two
officers
at
all
times
on
the
show
days,
we
have
a
third
officer
during
show
times
and
we
always
have
a
manager
on
duty.
So
a
minimum
of
four.
J
Main
responsibility
is
the
outlet
center
itself
and
protection
of
the
property,
the
entire
Center,
the
entire
Center,
but
they
spend
the
majority
of
their
time
between
8
AM
and
11
A.M
parked
up
in
front
of
Starbucks,
the
three
of
them
plus
the
manager
will
be
there
and
they'll
assist
with
any
issues
that
arise
from
Cars
and
Coffee
directing
traffic
as
needed.
Crossing
people
on
the
crosswalks
Etc.
M
J
They
have
one
of
our
radios,
we're
in
constant
communication
to
them.
They
will
escalate
to
us
as
needed.
It's
a
very,
very
rare
occurrence
that
we
need
to
get
involved.
J
My
perspective
is
from
video.
There
was
someone
in
a
vehicle
who
was
told
to
follow
the
rules
by
somebody
from
Cars
and
Coffee.
They
did
not
follow
the
rules,
they
were
told
again
and
then
they
didn't
agree
with
what
they
were
being
told
to
do.
He
ended
up
getting
out
of
the
car
and
it
ended
up
becoming
a
physical
altercation.
J
Our
security
showed
up
on
the
scene,
I
believe
it
was
four
minutes
later
after
the
altercation
occurred
and
attempted
to
stop
the
fight,
they
did
not
get
involved
in
the
fight
they
would
not
get
in
in
between
and
physically
break
up,
people.
That
would
just
lead
to
a
fight
with
the
security
Personnel
James
and
his
staff
was
already
there
and
we
actually
had
the
sheriff's
department
already
on
the
property
for
a
unrelated
call,
and
they
were
there
a
couple
minutes
later.
M
J
I
think
they
do
with
within
five
minutes,
I
think
they
appear
in
the
video,
okay
and
and
there's
place
where
they
usually
are,
or
they
could
have
been.
It
could
be
out
of
the
camera
view.
That's
one
specific
camera
view,
but
we
did
we
weren't
the
ones
we
didn't
actually
stop
it.
It
actually
dissipated.
M
Do
your
security
officers
have
training
in
that
kind
of
scenario?
Do
they
have
training
and
de-escalation?
Do
they
have
training
in
how
to
handle
combative
members
of
the
public?
M
Do
they
have
training
to
spot
and
recognize
the
what
could
be
precursors
to
to
those
happening,
because
if
you
do
watch
the
video
it's
a
good
minute
before
people
start
to
fight
they're
shouting,
there's
a
number
of
opportunities
had
somebody
been
on
site
in
that
location,
which
I
believe
was
in
front
of
the
rubies
that
could
have
been
shut
down
before
it
started
escalated
and
that's
kind
of
what
I'm
leading
up
to
is
I'm
a
little
bit
trying
to
understand?
How
does
these?
How
do
you
guys?
What's
your
what's
your
mission?
M
What's
your
purview,
what
is
the
direction
for
these
individuals
when
you
have
those
kind
of
scenarios,
those.
J
Scenarios
are
few
and
far
between
we
are
prepared
to
handle
them.
We
will
not
get
physically
involved
and
put
our
hands
on
anybody,
as
the
majority
of
security
departments
would
not
do.
We
would
call
the
sheriff's
department
to
deal
with
the
situation,
but
try
to
de-escalate
as
much
as
possible.
I've
only
been
there
for
eight
months.
That
was
probably
my
second
week
there.
We
made
major
changes
after
that
incident,
which
David
reference
to
try
to
make
sure
that
never
happened
again.
J
As
far
as
I'm
aware
in
the
five
years,
this
event
has
been
going
on.
There
is
almost
zero
incidents
that
have
occurred
on
the
property
and
that's
also
come
from
the
sheriff's
department.
After
speaking
with
them
multiple
times.
M
Okay,
yeah
I'm
concerned
about
it.
It
doesn't
take
many
to
become
a
problem,
so
you
know
I,
understand
that
they're,
not
that
many
and
that's
good
I,
think
that's
all
I
really
I
had
for
you
other
than.
Are
you
saying
that
the
proposed
egress
Ingress
route
proposed
by
City
staff
through
the
back?
Are
you
saying
that
you
guys
don't
agree
with
that?
Yes,.
J
We
don't
agree
with
it
and,
as
James
referenced
like
I
said
once
again,
I'm
only
here,
eight
months,
the
event's
been
going
on
for
four
years.
Maybe
five
they've
tried
a
lot
of
different
routes.
The
current
route
works,
I,
don't
know
if
I'm
correct
in
saying
I,
don't
think
any
of
the
complaints
the
city
has
received
is
about
traffic.
J
Anything
backed
up
onto
the
streets
Etc
that
does
not
currently
occur
from
what
I've
seen
I
believe
changing
the
current
setup
will
create
that
traffic.
If
we're
going
to
force
everybody
in
One
location,
there's
going
to
be
a
line
to
get
into
that
location,
both
coming
up
Pico
coming
down
Hermosa
from
the
highway
and
I
think
we're
going
to
run
into
a
situation
with
Chick-fil-A
at
the
entrance
customers.
Employees
like
I
reference,
Waste
Management,
coming
to
pull
out
compactors
Etc
and
delivery
vehicles
trying
to
get
to
the
back
of.
M
The
right,
okay,
well,
that's
good
input.
My
last
question
is
it:
you
are
responsible
for
security,
not
the
volunteers,
100,
it's
our
property,
okay
and
that's
the
position
that
you
direct
your
officers
is
that
to
be
responsible
for
security
may
I
understand
delegating.
Perhaps
the
traffic
control,
but
I
I
personally
do
not
want
to
see
security
delegated
to
volunteers.
I!
Think
that's!
A
recipe
for
disaster
totally.
J
M
J
M
Yeah,
would
you
be
open
to
the
idea
of
inviting
our
Sheriff's
Department
to
randomly
come
through
your
property?
Have
a
show
of
presence,
you
know
be
on
site
more
frequently.
Is
that
something
that
you
would
deem
helpful.
J
This
was
done
week,
one
when
I
started
with
Sergeant
Streeter
I
talked
to
him
and
meet
with
him
very
frequently
he's
a
good
guy,
absolutely
and
I've
requested
exactly
what
you're
asked
for,
and
we
do
see
that
they
are
on
property.
I
know
there
was
supposed
to
be
a
couple
officers
here
tonight,
possibly
they're
in
the
back.
There
are
on
property
constantly,
not
just
for
Cars
and
Coffee
on
General
days
and
yeah.
We
would
so.
M
J
And
to
take
it
a
step
further
I,
don't
think
anybody
here,
including
the
supporters
of
the
event,
would
have
an
issue
with
them
enforcing
traffic
outside
the
property
that
that's
only
going
to
help
us
yeah
people.
M
M
That's
where
I
want
to
go
next,
so
maybe
the
gentleman
that's
the
organizer
could
come
forward.
I'd
like
to
speak
with
him
about
that,
your
first
little
housekeeping
on
the
numbers.
If
you
don't
mind,
does
your
website
claim
that
you
have
1500
to
3
500
vehicles
in
the
show
on
site,
weekly.
M
Apologize:
okay,
one
thing
I'd
like
to
commend
you
on
is
that
you
do
have
very
good
messaging
regarding
the
noise,
the
revving,
the
burnouts,
all
of
that
and
I
think
it
is
effective
on
site.
What
are
you
willing
to
do
to
extend
that
messaging
outside
and
off-site,
because,
honestly,
I
don't
get
any
complaints
about
that
on
site?
Yes,
it
happens
from
time
to
time,
but
it
is
contained
and
it
goes
away
quickly.
M
H
At
this
very
moment,
in
all
of
our
YouTube
and
like
social
feeds,
we
do
address
the
that
sort
of
driving
and
behavior
off
property
and
on
property
and
not
welcome,
but
we're
more
than
happy
to
add
more
of
an
emphasis
on
the
off
property.
If
that's
you
know,
if
that's
something
that
you
would
like.
M
M
What
is
missing
is
that
the
messaging
regarding
driving
through
the
streets
of
San
Clemente
and
that
that
is
really
where
we
get
the
majority
of
residents
complaining
specifically
traffic
on
Vista
Hermosa,
when
they're
going
towards
La
Plata,
that
stretch
of
not
just
on
the
on-ramp
to
the
freeway
but
beyond
the
on-ramp
to
the
freeway
going
further
north
towards
the
target
shopping
center
and
I
live
up
there.
M
I
live
in
tullagan
I,
you
know
I'm
out
and
about
and
I
do
notice
a
lot
of
people
that
are
in
those
kind
of
cars
coming
from
your
show,
coming
up
there
and
then
going
in
on
La
Plata
towards
Ortega,
Highway
and
I.
Think
we
need
more
messaging
about
driving
on
the
city
streets
in
a
courteous,
quiet
manner,
because,
honestly,
those
are
the
all
the
complaints
are
coming
from
that
type
of
driving.
What
do
you
think
you
could
do
better
to
address
that,
and
specifically
so.
H
I
think
that
we
could
copy
the
message
that
we're
giving
on
YouTube
currently
on
YouTube,
we
open
our
videos
by
saying
please
remember,
to
respect
the
rules
on
and
off
the
property
and
please
remember,
to
exit
and
enter
the
freeway
at
a
quiet
and
safe
speed.
I
believe
that
I
could
put
that
in
writing
in
a
more
visible
space
on
our
Instagram
posts
on
a
YouTube
posts
and
maybe
even
a
little
like
a
highlight.
A
highlighted
bubble
on
a
Instagram
is
in
our
rules.
Category.
M
M
What
about
would
you
be
willing
to
give
every
attendee
a
flyer
that
not
just
has
your
rules
but
really
indicates
that
the
driving
on
the
city
streets
is
just
as
important
noise-wise
speed,
wise
as
it
is
on
site
and
that
any
violation
of
that
impacts
your
brand
and
it
impacts
the
quality
of
your
program
and
the
viability
going
forward?
Would
you
be
willing
to
make
a
flyer
and
then
ever
give
that
to
every
attendee
to
make
sure
that
those
people
understand
the
importance
of
that
message?.
H
So
this
is
that
I
would
have
to
confirm
that
I'm
allowed
to
do
that
with
the
the
outlet
property.
We
had
done
flies
in
the
past
and
it
had
caused
a
buildup
of
litter
in
the
parking
lot
sure
so
I
I,
that's
something
that
we
would
have
to
discuss,
maybe
a
one-off
or
we
could
look
at
creating
a
dedicated
sign
in
the
entrance
and
exit
another,
maybe
A-frame
that
we
put
up
with
a
set
of
when
leaving
rules.
H
M
The
other
question
I
had
is
for
you
regarding
then
open
Nature,
with
which
people
can
just
kind
of
come
to
the
show
I'm,
not
talking
about
the
attendees
I'm
talking
about
the
participants.
I'll
just
be
straight
up
with
you
I'm
a
little
skeptical
on
this
Banning
notion
through
the
public
sites
of
the
social
media.
M
I
I
would
feel
more
comfortable
if
it
was
a
little
bit
more
structured
and
people
had
to
register
as
a
participant
with
their
actual
license
plate
in
a
way
that
you
and
their
email.
So
now
you
know
these.
This
license
plate
and
this
email
go
together
and
they're
stating
their
intention
to
come
to
the
show
that
way.
M
If
you
do
have
a
somebody,
that's
violating
your
rules
and
you
get
a
picture
of
their
license
plate.
Now
you
can
actually
reach
that
person
and
speak
with
them
and
tell
them
hey
you're
not
going
to
come
here
anymore,
you're
you're
for
whatever
a
month
or
permanently,
and
if
you
see
repeat
offenders,
trying
to
get
that
register,
you
can
tell
them.
No.
M
N
H
Obviously,
you
have
to
pay
at
the
gate
and
there
is
a
tremendous
backup
of
cause
that
we've
seen
so
I'm.
Not
I
wouldn't
be
too
concerned
about
the
monetary
aspect.
While
we
don't
create
a
tremendous
amount
of
Revenue,
I
mean
it's
enough
to
cover
our
overhead
and
that's
about
it
for
merchandise
and
sponsors
we
we
would
have
to
figure
out
a
way
to
do
it
while
mitigating
traffic,
it.
M
Could
be
the
kind
of
thing
that
it's
just
a
self-registration
and
then
they
can
print
something
out
put
it
in
their
Dash.
You
wave
them
through.
They
don't
have
it.
Okay,
you
need
to
go
over
here.
You
know
type
of
thing.
It
could
be
very
actually
self-service.
You
wouldn't
have
any
very,
very
little
overhead
I
would
ask
that
you
would
think
about
that,
because
I
believe
you
need
do
need
some
teeth
to
your
enforcement
because
I
what
I?
What
is,
as
has
been
explained
to
me,
the
majority
of
people.
M
H
Yes,
so
I
I
appreciate
it
first
off
I
I
think
that
that's
definitely
something
that
we
could
look
at
doing
as
it
stands
right
now.
We
don't
have
a
tremendous
amount
of
people
that
we
have
to
name
and
shame,
given
that
we've
been
doing
this
for
so
long
pretty
much
everyone
that
comes
is
very
familiar
with
our
rules
and
regulations
while
on
the
property.
If
we
do
have
someone
that
we
have
to
turn
away,
it's
maybe
one
every
other
event
or
so
so,
and
people
do
take
it
seriously.
H
We
have
right
when
they're
entering
is
where
one
of
the
security
Personnel
stationed.
So
if
we
ever
have
anyone
push
back,
we
just
have
security
come
over
and
they
say
I'm
sorry,
you
know
you're
no
longer
welcome
at
this
event,
if
you
think
that
that
would
add,
you
know
further
legitimize
the
practice,
that's
definitely
something
we
could
look
at.
H
M
M
M
Okay,
great
and
then
you
would
say
that
you
you're
overall
responsible
for
the
event
versus
say
the
management
of
the
outlet.
Mall
I
mean
you,
you
work
together,
but
really
it's
would
you
consider
the
kind
of
the
buck
stops
with
you?
Yes,
okay.
M
One
of
the
one
of
the
concerns
that
our
residents
have
shared
is
in
their
correspondence
with
us
is
that
they
don't
feel
they
have
an
Avenue
to
express
their
concerns
that
they're
not
heard
that
their
concerns
are
just
ignored
or
they're
minimized.
What
would
you
say
to
that.
H
I
think,
every
time
that
we
see
someone
complain
to
us.
If
someone
comes
up
to
us
in
person,
we're
always
more
than
willing
to
discuss
it
with
them
a
lot
of
the
time
if
we
have
any
one
complaining
or
anyone
that
wants
to
talk
about
the
the
the
organization
they'll
DM
us
on
Instagram
or
message
us
on
Facebook
and
every
time
we
take
it
very
seriously
and
always
make
sure
to
respond
to
it
in
a
timely
and
professional
manner.
H
M
Brilliant,
that's
what
I
was
going
to
ask
you
if
you'd
be
willing
to
do
and
if
you
would
be
willing
to
create
a
log
of
those
inquiries,
and
so
if
we
were
to
meet
again
so
to
speak,
you'd
have
some
statistic:
you'd
say:
hey
we've
gotten
this
many
specific
comments,
and
this
is
what
we
did
I
think
anyth
time
we
can
create
a
rubric
where
we
can
have
a
better
engagement
between
your
organization
and
our
and
our
and
our
general
public,
where
there
might
be
some
questions
or
issues
that
they
want
to
address.
M
H
I
think
as
it
stands
right
now
as
well,
a
lot
of
the
if
we
do
have
complaints,
which
we
really
do,
that
directed
to
the
outlet
property
and
if
it
is
a
serious
offense,
they
pass
it
along
to
us.
So
that's
something
we
could
also
add
to
the
registry,
but
to
be
completely
honest
with
you,
we
haven't
had
too
many
complaints
in
the
last
couple
of
years,
we
had
one
real
kind
of
person
that
wasn't
too
happy,
maybe
2019
to
20,
but
we
met
with
that
one
person
and
since
I've.
M
Got
about
a
dozen
people
might
take
issue
with
that.
So
obviously
they'll
you
know,
maybe
people's
access
to
me
is
different
than
access
to
you
and
that's
I'm,
a
public
servant,
so
I'm
I'm
supposed
to
hear
these
things.
That's
my
job,
but
that's
why
I'm
here
tonight
to
represent
those
voices
as
well
and
I
want
them
to
hear
that
the
city
is
taking
their
concerns.
They
hear
we
hear
them
we're
concerned
we're
taking
them
seriously.
M
So
perhaps
you
could
take
that
suggestion
and
then
maybe
work
with
the
outlet
mall
to
make
sure
that
if
they
get
a
complaint,
that's
all
of
them
are
forwarded
to
you
and
then
perhaps
from
time
to
time.
If
the
city
checked
in
with
you,
we
could
align
on
hey.
This
is
what
we've
got.
This
is
what
we've
done
and
we
could
have
a
better
partnership
along
those
lines
of.
M
All
right,
thank
you.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you.
Mr
chairman
I
have
no
further
questions
at
this
time.
Thanks.
L
F
F
Ways
to
modify
operations
to
try
to
address
some
of
the
comments
or
complaints
from
residents
that
have
been
received
by
the
city.
Some
of
those
involve
especially
the
stretch
along
Avenida
vistarmosa
between
the
residential
access
points,
those
streets
that
front
or
intersect
visceramosa
there,
and
so
that
the
thought
with
the
flashing
red
lights
was
that
would
break
up
the
flow.
There
was
some
thoughts
of
speeding
or
some
concerns
of
speeding
along
that
stretch
and
with
flashing
red
lights.
That
really
takes
away
the
ability
to
do
that.
F
I
will
say
that
I've
discussed
these
comments,
with
both
the
outlets
and
with
residents.
After
the
fact,
one
of
the
comments
that
did
come
back
from
the
outlets
was
it
did
serve,
maybe
to
alleviate
concerns
about
speed
eating,
but
then
you
did
add
in
more
of
lingering
vehicles
and
it
expanded
the
number
of
lingering
vehicles
on
that
street.
So
the
concern
with
noise
might
have
been
increased
by
by
that
element.
As
far
as
the
rerouting
of
traffic
there.
F
The
thinking
there
is
that
the
entrance
into
the
atlas
property
in
your
Chick-fil-A
is
very
close
as
I'm
sure
you're,
all
aware
to
the
on
and
off
ramp
from
the
freeway
and
staff
is
also
aware
of
a
number
of
concerns
from
people
referencing
out
of
town
or
is
coming
to
the
event
and
if
they're
coming
from
out
of
town,
that's
the
most
likely
access
point
with
us
being
the
Southernmost
city.
Obviously
we
get
some
participants
from
further
south,
but
the
majority
would
be
coming
in
from
that.
F
Vistermosa,
off-ramp
and
and
routing
in
this
way
would
direct
them
off
of
Vista
Hermosa,
where
some
of
those
residential
complaints
have
come
from.
It
is
a
very
lengthy
route
in
there,
so
you
would
have
room
to
queue
easily
over
100
cars
from
that
location
to
the
upper
deck
of
the
parking
structure.
It's
also
not
the
only
access
point
there
are.
There
is
an
access
point
through
the
parking
garage
through
the
back
of
the
parking
garage
up
to
the
top.
F
However,
I
would
like
to
also
mention
that,
even
during
the
event,
there
is
demand
for
those
Tesla
charging
stations,
so
we
would
need
to
maintain
that
access
point.
The
outlets
did
express
some
concern
as
well
that
during
the
event
they
get
some
people
looking
to
chart
and
charge
their
vehicles
that
are
impatient
with
the
traffic
measures
that
are
already
in
place,
and
so
this
one
would
further
cause
challenges
there.
F
O
O
If,
obviously,
we
do
see
overall,
it's
just
too
much
for
that
intersection
with
the
flashing
lights
or
just
the
routing,
then
that's
something
that
we'd
have
to
kind
of
take
into
consideration.
There
are
other
entrances
to
these
sites.
There's
three
main
entrances
off:
Vista
Hermosa
we're
just
trying
to
focus
it
once
where
you
can
get
that
queuing
more
on
site
at
one
place.
Instead
of
all
three.
L
So
is
there
directional
signage
for
coming
in
and
going
out
so
that
when,
let's
say,
for
instance,
it
doesn't
get
rerouted?
This
way
you
can
direct
traffic
out
towards
the
Vista
Hermosa
exit,
as
opposed
to
having
them
turn
across
and
head
towards
Pico,
which
is
probably
an
issue.
Is
that
part
of
it
or
not?
F
L
F
So
so
the
following:
the
existing
wording
of
the
condition
there
is
a
sign
plan,
that's
shown
in
the
staff
report
that
would
be
modified.
They
do
already
have
volunteers
and
signage
at
the
rear
of
the
property,
but
there
would
be
some
modifications
to
that
sign
program
to
indicate,
for
instance,
display
Vehicles
access
here
at
the
the
primary
turn
off
of
the
front
of
the
outlets
to
that
rear
that
rear
Road.
F
L
Okay,
because
the
diagram
that
you're
referring
to
I
assume,
it
says
parking
analysis
attachment
three.
It
shows
the
arrows
just
coming
in
and
then
heading
to
the
back
of
the
property,
so
they'll
be
exiting
the
same
way:
correct.
Okay
and
do
you
have
people
I
mean
I,
assume
display
vehicles
are
coming
and
going
during
that
two
hour
period,
correct
okay,
so
they
can
come
and
go
down
on
that
same
path,
correct,
okay,
so
they're
not
allowed
to
come
out
on
the
other
intersections.
Is
that
what
you're
proposing.
F
L
F
Does
that
work,
I'll
respond
first
from
staff
have
been
on
site
and
I
know
that
our
Deputy
community
community
development
directors
visited
as
well.
So
from
my
experience
there
there
is
a
wave
of
vehicles
that
show
up
just
before
9
A.M,
but
it
is
scattered.
There
are
some
vehicles
that
show
up
at
8
30
in
park
for
a
bit
in
the
general
lot
before
they're
able
to
go
into
the
main
lot.
There
are
some
vehicles
that
show
up
at
10
30
and
are
there
for
a
shorter
period
of
time.
F
So
it's
there
there
isn't
from
what
I've
seen
there
is
a
queue
that
starts
to
build
as
we
get
to
that
8
45
9
o'clock
entry
window,
but
it's
it's
not
all
of
the
cars
arriving.
At
the
same
time,.
F
I
have
not
seen
that
many
or
lined
up
to
enter
I
would
say
from
my
experience:
I've
not
seen
more
than
30
Vehicles
waiting
to
get
in
because
they
they
are,
as
has
been
noted,
pretty
clear
about
the
start
times,
and
they
they
do
block
off
the
entry
beforehand
as
as
well.
So
people
know
that
it's
a
rolling
event,
you
don't
have
to
be
there
at
a
certain
arrival
window
and
that
does
help
with
staggering
the
entry
of
vehicles.
Okay,.
L
B
This
might
be
a
Zack
question,
so
the
flashing
lights
at
the
intersection
that's
been
tried
before
did
I
hear
that
correctly.
Yes,.
O
B
Has
and
how
did
it
well
from
the
city's
perspective,
did
it
help
her.
O
I
haven't
actually
gotten
feedback
from
our
staff
on
that,
but
I
Jonathan
I
think
it
did
help
in
certain
situations.
If,
if
I
I
did
have
some
concerns,
because
ultimately
we
don't
want
to
keep
AVH
Vista
Hermosa
on
flashing
at
all
times
on
weekends,
especially
considering
if
an
event
happens
on
the
freeway,
it's
often
a
bypass,
wrap
and
so
I
don't
want
to
have
the
flashing
lights
as
an
ongoing
every
weekend
type
of
thing,
because
at
some
point
that
freeway
is
going
to
back
up
and
people
are
going
to
jump
off
it.
O
For
other
reasons,
and
so
I'll
add
on
to
what
that
other
question
was
before
in
terms
of
breaking
up
the
traffic
getting
off
the
freeway
you're
typically
hit
with
a
green
light,
so
it's
shifting
cars
into
a
10
and
10
cars.
You
know
wave
as
they
come
into
the
next
signal,
so
you're
kind
of
off
that
you're
already
broken
up
by
getting
off
the
freeway
by
your
signal,
so
that
helps
all
these
signals,
kind
of
talk
to
each
other
and
get
the
people
in
and
the
and
the
participants
do
from.
O
My
experience
like
to
show
up
in
a
little
bit
of
batches,
you
and
your
friends
they're
all
got
their
certain
type
of
car.
They
show
up
and
they'll
get
off
with
five
or
ten
of
their
friends
at
the
same
time
and
they're,
usually
in
that
same
wave
of
hitting
the
green
light
at
the
same
time
too,
and
so,
but
the
the
flashing
lights
is
something
that
I'm
hoping
not
to
see
full
time
every
time
unless
it's
something
that
truly
is
seen.
B
B
Thank
you,
I
assume,
you're
generally
familiar
with
the
weekly
event.
P
P
B
B
Is
there
do
you
guys
have
kind
of
specific
thought
to
really
Target
I,
don't
want
to
say
Target,
but
you
know
be
aware,
be
a
presence
and
enforce
as
needed.
Traffic
laws
off-site.
P
So
the
main
issue,
I've
seen
is
obvious,
is:
is
Mr
Hermosa,
going
leaving
the
event
towards
the
freeway.
That's
the
biggest
issue,
I've
seen
I
get
the
most
complaints
about
that
area
and,
of
course,
when
I
sit
there
they
most
of
them
behave.
I
mean
there's
a
few
outliers
that
I've
stopped
inside
it
before,
but
for
the
majority
of
them,
when
I'm
there,
they
behave,
but
I
mean
other
than
other
than
them
other
than
actually
seeing
them
do
do
a
violation,
then
there's
not
much.
P
I
can
really
do
but
I
think
the
flashing
red
lights
is
a
good
thing.
It
keeps
the
flow
of
traffic
going
and
also
it
prevents
people
from
speeding,
because
if
they
have
a
green
light,
they're
just
gonna
floor
it
past,
whatever
light
they're
at,
but
if
they
have
an
actual
red
light,
they
have
to
come
to
a
stop
slow
down
and
then
continue
on
the
way.
I
think
that's
that's
what
would
help
prevent
a
lot
of
the
speeding
and
the
excessive
noise
and
stuff
like
that
chair.
B
You,
sir,
thank
you.
You
might
not
have
seen
officer
Roberts,
Deputy
Roberts,
but
there's
a
proposed
traffic
flow
plan
that
the
the
car
exhibitors
would
have
to
exit
and
enter
just
at
that
Chick-fil-A
entrance.
Not
all
the
way
further
down
on
Vista
Hermosa,
so
there'd
just
be
as
little
time
as
possible
on
Vista
Hermosa
between
Chick-fil-A
and
the
freeway,
so
that
you
know
would
help
them
not
pick
up
speed
on
Vista
Hermosa
Okay.
B
So
are
you
or
or
someone
from
the
sheriff
generally
try
and
be
there
every
Saturday
morning
in
the
in
the
vicinity?
There.
Q
P
Every
Saturday,
but
obviously
some
days,
I'll,
have
off
right.
I
try
to
be
there
as
much
as
I
can.
Obviously,
if
something
else
happens
in
the
city,
I
have
to
attend
to
that
as
well.
But
I
know
my
partners,
they're
always
cruising
by
around
there
and
stuff
like
that.
We
don't
have
an
actual
set
somewhat
specifically
assigned
to
that
location
during
the
time
frame,
but
we're
all
aware
of.
What's
going
on,
so
we
ought
to
try
to
make
a
presence
throughout
the
event
at
least
a
couple
times.
B
Okay
got
it
and
in
your
experience,
has
there
been
what
would
you
would
consider
an
excessive
problem
with
the
attendees
there
or
no.
P
Not
that
I've
seen
I
mean
I've
come
across
a
couple
of
issues
that
I've
that
I'll
handle
and
handle
in-house
before
it
actually
reaches
our
dispatch
or
anything
like
that.
Most
of
the
volunteers
will
flag
me
down
or
something
and
say:
hey,
there's
a
car
driving
around
quickly
or
something
or
someone's
being
verbally
computational
with
a
staff
or
something
I'll
go,
handle
it
and
then
once
I
show
up,
I
tell
them
to
go
away,
I'll
give
them
the
license
plate
and
their
name
and
tell
them
they're
banned
from
the
site.
B
Okay,
just
as
an
aside
I
I
think
we
all
probably
in
the
city
and
the
residents
really
appreciate
your
guys.
You
know
General
presence
there
and
and
and
high
visibility
to
to
you
know,
I'm
sure
your
visibility
helps
keep
people,
you
know
better
behaving
than
some
of
them
might
otherwise
want
to
be
so.
Thank
you.
I
didn't
want
to
have
any
questions
for
the
officers.
No.
M
So
one
of
the
Israeli
Public
Safety
is
kind
of
the
big
deal
here
and
then
you
have
the
traffic
enforcement,
so
two
kind
of
subjects
so
obviously
you're
a
motorcycle
officer,
so
you're
you're,
your
primary
focus
is
on
traffic.
Is
that
correct?
Yes,
sir?
Okay?
M
P
M
Great
because
I
think
that's
kind
of
what
I
would
like
to
see
more
of
that
kind
of
a
Hands-On
interactive
would
really
go
a
long
way
so
now
Switching
gears
to
the
traffic
enforcement.
M
All
of
the
concerns
I
get
from
residents
are
on
Vista
Hermosa
and
it's
mainly
noise.
I
know
that
the
CHP
they're
they're
responsible
for
the
freeway
so
we'll
exclude
that,
but
just
to
be
comprehensive,
that's
a
a
big
source
of
the
noise,
but
the
other
one
is
just
people.
You
know
motorists
going
up,
Mr
Hermosa
as
they
exit
it's
the
AFT,
it's
the
10
30
to
11
30
window,
so
I've
been
in
several
conversations
with
Captain
Benfield
about.
Can
we
and
I
guess
it
would
be?
M
You
spend
a
little
bit
more
time
in
that
window
on.
You
know
that
little
stretch
of
Vista
Hermosa,
just
north
of
the
freeway,
with
radar
to
enforce
our
traffic
laws
and
that
I
think
would
go
once
once.
There's
a
an
established
pattern
that
there's
a
motorcycle
officer
there
with
a
radar
gun
it
it
usually
self-corrects
yeah
right,
so
it's
kind
of
like
strong
enforcement
for
a
while
and
then
after
a
while
self-corrects.
Would
you
be?
Would
you
be
open
to
that
of.
P
Course
I
mean
I've
sat
there
before
with
radar,
yeah
and
I've
gotten
guys
for
speeding
before
okay
I,
usually
just
I
s,
I
usually
would
sit.
Just
east
of
east
of
the
on-ramp
and
I
would
catch
guys,
mostly
entering
the
freeway
quickly.
Okay,.
M
M
Would
just
go
a
long
way,
I
think
with
community
relations
to
know
that
we're
doing
that.
P
It
alleviates
problems,
especially
for
the
event
and
then
outside
directly
outside
the
event,
but
I
will
thanks,
of
course,
yeah
sit
out
there
with
radar
up
closer
or
past
the
community
perfect.
M
Because
my
feeling
is
that
you
guys
actually
are
the
key
to
making
this
work.
You
know,
I
think
that
the
operator
the
mall
they're
they're
doing
their
best.
You
know
I
mean
they're,
not
perfect,
there's
areas
where
they
can
improve.
M
We've
talked
about
that
tonight,
but
really
it's
the
partnership
with
the
city
to
help
bring
that
last
bit
of
enforcement,
in
that
they
can't
do
I
think
really
does
make
a
big
difference
so
I
wanted
to
you
know
that's
what
my
conversations
with
Captain
Benfield
were
regarding
was
that
the
importance
of
that
yeah
to
making
this
whole
thing
work
and.
P
I
do
know
that
CHP
does
do
citations
directly
on
on
the
five
near
Vista
Hermosa,
because
I
have
seen
them
testify
in
court
and.
L
As
long
as
you're
up
there,
this
is
probably
out
of
ignorance,
but
is
there
an
enforceable
law
with
regard
to
noise,
because
these
vehicles
are
noisy
even
at
low
speed
and
I've?
Seen
signs
where
no,
you
know
the
noise
is
enforced?
Is
that
something
you
know.
P
So
for
you,
basically,
you
can't
modify
your
your
exhaust
at
all
or
have
unusual
loud
noise
per
the
per
the
California
vehicle
code.
I,
don't
have
a
measuring
device
because
the
the
maximum
for
a
vehicle
every
vehicle
is
80
decibels.
I
don't
have
an
actual
actual
measuring
device
for
that.
But
almost
every
car
there
on,
like
I,
would
say,
like
90,
have
some
type
of
loud
exhaust,
so
it's
kind
of
hard
to
just
sit
there
all
day
and
write
everyone,
a
citation
business
and
then
that
would
just
deter
people
from
going
to
the
event.
P
But
there
is
yes,
a
section
that
you
could
use.
There
is
a
California
vehicle
code
section
that
we
can
use
as
far
as
just
loud
noise
for
vehicles.
C
Thank
you.
Officers
I
want
to
talk
real,
quick
about
the
access
and
egress
from
the
event
area
itself
that
parking
lot
and
I'd
say
30
of
the
people
come
in,
probably
from
the
back
now.
Sixty
percent
come
in
the
front
because
when
they
open
the
gate,
everybody
dashes
for
a
a
prime
parking
space.
It's
kind
of
people
get
in
line
if
they
want
to
real
early
if
they
want
the
premier
space,
so
I
think
both
are
being
used
currently.
C
But
my
observation
is
for
the
spectators
exiting
in
the
front.
Every
single
turn
off
in
the
parking
lots
are
manned.
Each
intersection
is
manned
by
a
staff
and
it
becomes
a
real
public
event
parade
at
three
miles
an
hour
whatever.
And
what
do
you
think
the
importance
is
of
maintaining
that
I
know
the
kids
love
it.
That's
where
people
take
pictures
of
selfies
with
them
standing
in
front
of
the
car,
that's
going
by
whatever
and
I.
Think
that's
a
big
part
of
the
event
is
that
your
observation
also.
H
Yes,
absolutely
in
terms
of
the
the
flow
of
the
traffic
people
love
watching
it
from
that
kind
of
frontmost
area.
We
do
utilize,
the
back
of
the
property.
Currently
it's
up
to
the
discretion
of
one
of
our
most
senior
volunteers.
That's
been
with
us
for
quite
some
time.
H
We
do
it
currently
I'd
say,
as
you
said,
that
was
pretty
you
hit
the
nail
on
the
head
with
that
about
30
to
40
of
the
traffic
does
go
around
the
back
currently,
but
you
know,
driving
in
front
of
those
businesses.
I
think
it's
a
great
way
for
people
to
kind
of
catch,
an
eye
catch
a
glimpse
as
to
what
is
actually
in
the
property
and
will
make
them
want
to
go
in
the
property.
K
James
I
just
have
a
quick
question
for
you.
We
heard
from
the
from
the
officers-
and
it
sounds
like
you
know,
he's
spending
some
time
there,
but
maybe
not
enough
time
there.
What
is
your
thought
about
paying
some
extra
funds
towards
getting
a
full-time
officer
there?
It's.
H
H
You
know
like
purchasing
signs
paying
for
cones,
paying
the
insurance
on
our
business
and
all
the
other
operating
expenses
that
go
along
with
it.
So
I
think
it
would
kind
of
depend
on
the
cost
commitment,
but
if
it's
something
that
was
reasonable,
that
we
could
pay
full
within
the
budget
that
we
already
have
that's
something
that
would
be
open
to
doing.
Yes,
if.
K
K
But
I
understand
your
security
personnel.
We
didn't
get
your
name
I'm.
Sorry,
we
keep
calling
you
Mr
security
Michael.
Thank
you,
I'm,
still,
probably
going
to
call
you
Mr
security.
You
said
you
made
some
major
changes.
You've
only
been
there
eight
months,
but
after
the
fight
in
March
that
you
made
some
major
changes
and
if
you,
if
Gentlemen
people,
stay
up
there,
what
exactly
were
those
major
changes.
J
Making
sure
that
there
is
somebody
always
posted
up
front,
one
officer
guaranteed
standing
there
at
all
times.
Most
of
the
time,
it's
three
to
four,
the
signage
radios,
the
staff
for
Cars
and
Coffee
did
not
have
radios
at
a
point.
They
now
all
communicate
via
radio.
They
have
one
of
our
security
radios,
so
we
are
completely
in
tune
with
them.
We
meet
with
them
in
the
morning
before
the
event
starts,
like
I,
said,
Sergeant
Streeter
meeting
with
him
early
on
asking
for
any
assistance
for
any
enforcement.
J
That's
available
changes
that
I
requested
on
their
social
media,
Pages
they've
used
to
post
videos.
They
never
mentioned
the
rules.
Now
they
mention
the
rules
at
the
beginning
and
the
end
of
the
video,
their
social
media,
Pages
say
the
rules,
no
speeding,
no
burnouts
Etc
little
things
that
were
just
obvious
to
me.
Coming
in
from
the
outside
and
I
would
like
to
add
on
to
the
the
comments
about
the
the
restaurants.
That's
a
great
point
about
the
people
lining
up.
J
I
didn't
think
of
that
you
can't
get
a
seat
on
the
Ruby's
patio
at
801
when
they
open,
specifically
because
the
kids
want
to
sit
there,
mostly
with
their
grandfathers
and
watch
the
cars
go
by
and
that
continues
to
Starbucks.
Now
we
have
tables
are
pressed
and
Panera
Bread
that
whole
route,
it's
basically
a
parade
route,
that's
what
it
is
and
if
that
was
moved
to
the
back
side
of
the
building.
Besides
the
effects
that
we
feel
would
happen
with
traffic.
That
would
take
away
a
big
part
of
the
event.
K
K
J
B
Now
is
your
chance
to
tell
us
so
I'm
going
to
open
the
public
hearing,
and
if
you
want
to
speak
on
this
issue,
if
you
haven't
already
fill
out
a
blue
speaker
card,
we
have
them
up
front
and
give
them
to
staff
here
and
we'll
add
you
into
the
list.
Everyone
has
three
minutes
a
piece.
B
S
Good
evening,
Patrick
hannibram,
a
local
resident
here
in
Marblehead
I've,
been
attending
the
Cars
and
Coffee
myself
with
my
car
for
the
last
five
years
and
it's
a
wonderful
event.
Simon
and
James.
They
put
on
a
great
great
show
the
camaraderie
of
people,
the
different
backgrounds,
ethnicities,
old
people,
young
people,
it's
just
a
great
great
event,
I've,
never
seen
or
heard
any
bad
bad
things
about
it
at
all.
You
know
no
problems
tonight.
I
didn't
even
know
about
the
fight
they
were
talking
about
until
tonight,
but
it's
a
wonderful
event.
S
I
think
you'll
see
if
you've
been
you've
noticed.
Even
the
kids
lining
at
Chick-fil-A
I
mean
kids.
These
days
they
can't
they
can't
get
out
and
see
these
cars.
These
are
exotic
cars.
You
know
when
I
grew
up
as
a
kid
I.
For
me
to
see
one
of
those
you
had
to
pay
to
go
somewhere,
you
know,
but
it's
a
good
family
event.
S
I
think
you
know
you
see
grandparents
with
their
grandchildren
like
myself,
bringing
them
and
I
look
at
the
kids.
I
see
the
kids
out
there
that
they
get
to
go
out
and
look
and
touch
and
see
these
things
and
they've
taken
everything
away
from
these
kids,
no
auto
shop
anymore.
None
of
that
and
it's
just
a
it's
just
a
great
atmosphere
and
I
I
watch
that
and
I
see
the
job
that
that
James
does
and
it's
very
well
done
and
I.
S
Just
think
I
mean
the
economic
for
the
business
is
a
no-brainer.
You
know
I
think
that's
great
what
they
do,
but
from
for
me
on
a
personal,
I
I,
just
think
it's
a
wonderful
thing,
I!
S
Think
of
the
kids
that
get
to
touch
and
see
and
do
all
this
and
with
today's
economy,
it's
not
costing
anybody,
not
anybody
to
bring
their
family
and
attend
and
usually
they'll
go
spend
their
money
afterwards
at
the
store,
so
I
just
I
hope
that
you
guys
consider
redoing
the
permit
and-
and
we
really
enjoy
it,
appreciate
your
time.
T
Hey
thanks
for
the
opportunity
to
speak
today,
I'm
an
18-year
resident
of
San
Clemente
I've
been
going
to
the
show
since
Inception,
and
what
I'd
say
is
that
you
know
it's
not
just
about
the
cars
I
mean
most
of
the
time
when
I
go
to
the
show.
I
just
take
my
my
daily
driver,
rather
than
my
quote,
show
car
and
I
would
say
it's
really
about
the
people.
T
I
see
other
residents
and
friends
that
I've
met
through
the
show
and
while
I
love
cars,
I
love
my
dog
even
more
and
there's
a
ton
of
dogs
there.
And
you
know
it's
it's
a
it's
an
amenity,
that's
one
of
my
favorite
amenities
of
the
city,
just
like
the
beach
Trail
and
it's
something
I
look
forward
to
every
week
and
you
know
I,
think
James
and
Simon
and
Sarah.
They
do
a
great
job
managing
it.
T
And
you
know
if
anybody
revs
up
their
engine,
you
know
they're
on
it
right
away
and
I
I
wouldn't
characterize.
You
know
not
all
the
cars
are
older
cars
with
loud
exhausts.
T
You
know
the
and
I
would
say
the
99
of
the
cars
are
very
respectful
and
the
ones
that
aren't
just
one
attention,
and
then
you
never
see
him
again.
So
I
would
appreciate
your
support
and
I'll
say
that
every
time
I
go
to
the
event
you
know,
I
spend
my
money
at
Starbucks,
we'll
go
to
breakfast
at
Rockwell's
afterwards,
and
you
know
it
keeps
it's
another
reason
to
keep
me
in
the
city
and
I
spend
my
money
every
week
when
I
go
so
I
appreciate
your
time
today.
Thank
you.
U
Good
evening,
commission
Rick,
Lefler,
San
Clemente
resident
I
want
to
speak
specifically
to
the
security
Public
Safety
comments
that
commissioner
Cosgrove
brought
up
and
I've
got
a
couple
of
minutes
of
experience
in
policing
and
crowd,
control
and
special
events
and,
first
of
all,
it's
a
great
event.
We
got
to
figure
out
a
way
to
keep
this.
This
going,
I
really
really
like
it.
The
outlets
is
a
great
partner.
I
know
Miss
generic,
actually,
our
San
Clemente
beaches
and
parts
Foundation
she
found
a
place
for
us
to
meet.
U
She
loves
San,
Clemente,
loves
doing
everything
for
us
and
I
the
I
don't
know
the
gentleman
and
his
father
that
have
the
the
the
event
but
I
think
it's
a
they're,
really
sincere
I
used
to
take
my
car
up
there,
but
didn't
got
to
be
a
bunch
of
trust
fund,
kids
with
500
000
countaches
and
just
my
little
55
Ford.
Just
you
know,
I
didn't
so
anyway,
but
I'll
make
a
point
to
go
back
up
there.
Let's
bring
up
the
pub
public
safety
issue,
15
or
12
or
15
people
with
best
are
not
security.
U
I
mean
I
know
that
they
can
probably
help
Monitor
and
do
what
they
need
to
do
for
the
car
show
specific
the
security
at
the
outlets
specifically
they're,
geared
to
to
be
security
at
the
outlets,
not
for
a
special
event
like
this
and
there's
different
degrees
of
security.
It
sounds
like
this
security
that
they're
providing
is
a
very
low
degree
of
security.
What
they
won't
get
involved,
I,
don't
know
what
their
training
is.
They
could
be
trained
in
840
PC
laws
of
arrest
and
intervention.
U
I
I
doubt
that
they
are
certified
in
that
many
security
companies
are
and
I
really
think
that
you
need
to
find
or
require
dedicated
security
for
the
actual
lot
and
and
where
the
cars
are
probably
I
hear
it's
500
000
they're
bringing
in
for
two
stores
I
can
imagine
what
it
is
for
all
the
stores,
but
I
know
10
10
man
hours,
two
security
people,
5
hours,
a
piece
10
out
man
hours,
probably
build
it
about
500
bucks
and
they
would
actually
be
840
trained
uniformed
and
and
would
actually
be
able
to
intervene.
U
U
It's
not
manned,
it's
not
a
manned
substation,
it's
a
room
where
officers
can
go
and
get
access
to
a
computer
and
a
telephone
and
kind
of
do
reports
and
do
that
which
they
do
spend
time
there,
but
they're,
not
there
all
the
time,
and
so
you
really
should
think
about
requiring
a
trained
security
team
of
a
couple
of
of
security
officers
there.
All
the
time
to
deal
with
these
situations
also
would
be
a
great
deterrent.
People
see
real
security,
walking
around
it's
a
great
deterrent
and
they
feel
better
about
going.
U
I
know
a
lot
of
people
stop
going
because
of
the
fights
and,
and
they
would
come
back,
they
just
would
feel
better
about
it.
They
would
pay
for
themselves.
So
we're
also
very
lucky
to
have
Roberts
and
Bruno
who
boy
they
have
been
great
for
traffic
in
general
in
the
city.
We're
very.
V
It
going
Commissioners,
my
name
is
Jay
small
and
I
I'm,
a
big
person
behind
facts
matter.
So
I
wanted
to
be
here
as
a
business
owner
somebody,
that's
actually
you
know.
I've
been
partnered
with
James
and
his
dad
for
about
three
years.
V
I
asked
my
finance
controller
this
morning,
how
much
revenue
we've
generated
as
a
business
off
of
South,
OC,
Cars
and
Coffee
as
we're
related
in
the
you
know,
the
automotive
industry,
it's
about
six
hundred
and
seventy
thousand
dollars
and
give
or
take
about
two
and
a
half
years,
which
is
about
a
fifth
of
our
total
revenue
intake
I'm,
a
huge
proponent
of
the
show,
I've
been
a
you
know,
support
of
it
as
a
as
a
business
owner
from
that
angle,
but
I've
also
been
there
every
Saturday
as
a
volunteer
for
I,
don't
give
or
take
two
years.
V
I
was
actually
there
when
the
fight
took
place.
There's
not
a
whole
lot
of
people
that
didn't
come
back.
I
just
want
to
point
that
out.
I
was
also
in
the
Marine
Corps,
for
you
know
four
and
a
half
years
and
have
a
bunch
of
vets
that
work
for
me
that
were
also
there.
The
desk,
the
de-escalation
of
force
was,
was
actually
pretty
quick.
I
think
the
fight
lasted
all
of
about
six
and
a
half
minutes
the
videos
online
security
did
get
involved.
V
The
cops
were
there,
so
I'm
not
appreciate
the
input,
but
you
know
they
do
a
great
job.
I
do
think
that
you
know
James
and
his
dad
continually
look
to
the
community
for
input
on
what
they
can
do
to
improve
the
you
know,
just
the
general
upkeep
of
the
event.
You
know,
they've
had
multiple
conversations
with
me.
I've
offered
my
employees
who
do
show
up,
and
you
know,
act
and
support
as
volunteers
on
their
time.
V
You
know
all
in
all
this.
This
event
is
really
important
to
business
owners.
You
know,
2020
2021
was
pretty
difficult,
it's
an
entrepreneur,
you
know,
South
Ocean,
Cars
and
Coffee
was
pretty
important
to
me
from
that
perspective.
Now
we're
looking
at
a
potential
recession
in
2023,
so
as
a
business
owner.
One
of
many
that
had
gotten
support
from
South,
OC,
Cars
and
Coffee
be
a
real
bummer.
V
If
this,
the
show
didn't
continue
to
exist
because
to
be
quite
Frank,
it
does
help
a
lot
of
businesses
stay
in
a
realm
of
stability.
If
you
will
so
hope,
you
consider
the
permit
I.
Think
it's
a
great
thing
for
the
city
on
last
point
is
I
think
you
said
earlier
Goodwill
from
the
you
know
from
individuals
in
the
community.
The
show
is
the
community
I
just
wanted
to
point
that
out.
There's
a
you
know
a
lot
of
San
Clemente.
V
You
know
individuals
that
go
to
the
show
they
we,
you
know
the
show
is
the
community,
so
you
know
I
know
these
guys
take
the
complaint
seriously.
They
reach
out
to
the
community,
to
you
know,
help
with
that
and
I
hope.
It
goes
on
so
appreciate
your
time.
Thank
you.
W
I,
don't
know
if
any
of
you
guys
look
at
what's
going
on
with
our
youth
today
when
it
comes
to
Vehicles,
there's
a
lot
of
streetcar
takeovers
and
different
things
going
on
in
different
communities,
where
they're
being
Reckless
abandoning
driving
with
you
guys,
because
they're,
maybe
extremely
Reckless,
doing
donuts
in
the
little
streets
jumping
out
of
cars
while
they're
moving.
This
event
gives
the
students
an
opportunity
to
see
how
an
event
should
be
run,
how
you
should
manage
yourself
and
your
vehicles
at
an
event.
W
It
consumes
positive
influence
and
allows
them
to
see
an
opportunity
to
have
talk
with
adults
and
other
people
that
can
give
them
viable
options
for
careers,
Industries
and
living
opportunities.
They
see
Vehicles.
They
may
not
ever
see
anywhere
else
and
see
that
it's
capable
they
can't
achieve
these
goals.
Local
residents
have
made
it
and
have
these
vehicles.
They
may
see
Vehicles
they've
only
dreamed
about
be
able
to
share
with
their
friends,
and
all
these
opportunities
are
made
by
it
possible
by
this
event.
W
So
without
events
like
this
in
our
community,
these
students
don't
get
a
positive
influence
of
how
an
event
should
be
run
and
how
they
should
behave
themselves.
They
only
see
the
options
they
see
on
YouTube
and
other
options
of
poor
events
of
kids,
acting
with
malice
and
bad
bad
ideas.
So
having
an
event
like
this
in
our
community,
I
think
helps
to
limit
those
other
events
that
we
see
around
other
communities
and
gives
students
a
positive
influence
and
a
positive
reason
of
how
to
behave.
Thank
you.
I
Langley
I've
been
a
resident
in
and
around
San
Clemente
for
more
than
30
years
and
I've
been
to
that
coffee's,
Cars
and
Coffee
and
I
really
enjoy
it.
I
have
to
say,
but
I'm
here
representing
Saddleback
Church,
San
Clemente,
we
do
buy
a
weekly
food
distributions
and
we
serve
the
community
seniors
military
and
families.
So
I'd
like
to
thank
the
outlets
for
their
generosity
in
providing
us
with
a
space
where
we
can
in
the
safe
and
orderly
manner,
serve
these
families
at
a
time
of
financial
stress.
I
So
we
do
get
a
nice
turnout
every
other
week.
We
appreciate
the
inclusion
to
be
included
in
the
community
conditional
use
permit,
because
that
will
allow
us
to
provide
this
service
to
the
community
on
a
consistent
basis.
We
draw
Community
to
the
outlets.
Our
volunteers
come
from
across
Orange
County
to
serve
there,
and
so
we
do
bring
some
economic
benefit
to
the
com
to
the
outlets
as
well.
I
We
also
invite
the
employees
of
the
outlets
to
come
and
partake
in
our
grocery
distribution
anyway,
again
so
much
thanks
to
the
outlets
for
their
willingness
to.
Let
us
serve
the
community
and
I'd
like
to
thank
the
planning
staff
also
for
recommending
that
we
do
be
included
under
this
conditional
use
permit.
So
thank
you.
E
Hello
or
to
represent
rockwells
I'm,
an
employee
there,
I've
lived
in
capistran,
Beach,
All,
My,
Life
I
work
every
Saturday
and
five
days
a
week
I'm
there
in
the
morning.
I
want
to
thank
sue
for
dropping
off
boxes
to
rock
walls.
This
morning,
I
was
busy
by
myself
on
the
floor
and
when
they
were
finished
they
rolled
over
enough
for
four
families
there.
E
My
Cook's
got
to
take
some
things:
home
I
mean
they're
every
other
Wednesday
or
every
Wednesday
when
they
do
this,
and
the
cars
are
lined
up
really
nicely
everybody's
getting
their
food.
Also,
the
Cars
and
Coffee.
My
nephew
never
has
been
working
and
volunteering
with
him
for
a
long
time.
We
get
so
much
people
coming
in
to
eat
families
to
come
and
eat.
We
have
our
Bakery
track
in
the
parking
lot
we're
serving
hot
chocolate,
coffee
burritos.
It
helps
us
so
much.
Our
staff
is
doubled
because
we
have
so
many
people
coming
in.
E
B
X
What
is
breakfast
just
for
breakfast?
We
are
the
busiest
restaurant
in
the
chain
on
Saturdays,
so
it's
quite
a
big,
quite
a
big
benefit
for
us
and
not
to
mention
I'm
a
little
envious
and
jealous
that
I.
Don't
have
one
of
these
Great
Cars
because
there's
something
else,
but
you
know
David's
done
a
fantastic
job
there
and
the
outlet
centers
Susan
and
her
team
and
security.
X
It's
just
you
know.
Without
it
I
don't
know
how
we
would
have
survived
getting
through.
You
know
the
pandemic.
It
was
horrendous.
We
were
operating
at
one
point
in
time,
just
to
goes
and
take
out
cells
so
to
be
open
and
expanded
patio
and
and
having
to
deal
with
all
the
the
craziness
on
the
weekends
and
especially
Saturday.
It's
fantastic
with
all
the
families
there
and
and
so
on,
but
I
know
I've
occupied
a
little
bit
of
time
here.
Yeah.
Y
Oh
having
a
car
show,
it's
been
great,
I
mean
good
for
business,
I
might
save
801.
We
opened
the
doors
at
8
o'clock
when
foreign.
Y
The
car
show
is
that
we
were
able
to
hire
people
from
local
schools
to
work
as
a
host
work
in
a
restaurant,
and,
if
you
guys
decide
to
discontinue
the
car
show
they
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
kids
are
going
to
be
losing
their
jobs
or
they're
going
to
be
reducing
the
hours.
So
just
take
that
in
consideration,
but
yeah
great.
AA
Z
Z
Z
What's
so
bad
about
it,
but
a
car
somewhere
to
stop
traffic,
or
these
guys
have
been
playing
with
it
for
five
years,
who
know
dummies
at
it
and
I
think
that
Conjuring
is
working
together
is
great
and
the
officers
and
I've
talked
to
some
of
the
you
know
guys
and
yeah
put
a
policeman
up
on
the
corner
or
have
them
invite
the
high.
You
know
the
highway
patrol
and
put
a
car
in
the
show,
I
mean
think
outside
the
box.
To
bring
more
of
this
together
then
pull
it
apart.
Z
Not
every
kid's
going
to
be
surfing
every
kids
want.
They
need
this
and
they're,
not
all
going
to
be
computer.
People
I
got
mechanics
sitting
here
to
work
for
me
and
I
got
family,
but
they're
really
hurt
when
they
think
they're
going
to
take
that
away
so
I
to
your
heart.
If
anything
else
don't
mess
with
the
youth
when
it's
working,
please
that's
all
I
got
to
say
thank
you.
AB
My
name
is
Hal
Culp
I'm,
a
19-year
resident
of
San
Clemente
I
live
in
short,
Cliffs
I'm,
also
a
volunteer
at
the
car
show
every
week.
One
of
my
jobs
is
to
do
direct
traffic,
I'm
stationed
behind
Rock
Wells
and,
as
stated
earlier,
we
bring
in
about
30
of
the
traffic.
We
have
modified
the
traffic
patterns
over
the
my
course
on
duty
as
a
volunteer.
AB
Initially,
every
every
car
came
in
through
the
front
entrance
and
we
had
cars
backed
all
the
way
out
onto
Vista
Hermosa,
because
we
asked
people
to
come
in
down
by
Chick-fil-A
that
caused
a
huge
traffic
pattern
problem
and
so
by
using
the
back
entrance,
has
alleviated
some
of
our
issues
and
cars
that
are
are
noisy
or
louder
than
others.
We
direct
that
direction,
so
I
am
not
in
favor
of
moving
forward
with
Section
5e
I
think
it
will
cause
more
problems.
AB
A
lot
more
problems
than
what
we
have
today,
I'm,
also
not
a
fan
of
reducing
the
number
of
weekends
for
a
portion
of
the
year.
The
car
show
is
set
up
to
be
a
weekly
car
show
and
what
ends
up
happening
is
we
see
family
gatherings
from
week
to
week
to
week
many
families
come
they
bring
five
or
six
cars,
they
have
three
generations.
This
is
a
great
thing.
AB
I
myself,
I've
met
many
many
many
people
at
the
car
show
I'm
now
I
probably
have
30
or
40
more
friends
than
what
I
had
when
I
started.
In
addition,
I
met
wonderful
people
like
Elizabeth
that
works
for
rubies
who's,
who
sells
coffee
and
donuts
in
the
morning.
So
I
think
there
is
great
Community
here.
I
think
the
volunteers
are
like
family
Sarah,
Simon
and
James
are
are
great
people
to
be
with
and
I
can't.
Imagine
you
guys
altering
the
the
current
structure
of
the
car
show
it
just
to
me.
AB
It
doesn't
make
great
sense.
So
I
ask
you
to
to
think
long
and
hard
about
your
decision
and
I'd
like
you
to
encourage
you
to
continue
with
the
way
that
the
proposal
was
originally
written
to
extend
the
shelf
for
all
purposes
at
the
outlets,
and
the
last
thing
I'd
like
to
add,
is
I've
also
been
a
volunteer
at
the
outlets
to
direct
traffic
for
the
most
recent
Christmas
tree
lighting,
and
so
I
have
experience
for
other
events
and
the
events
don't
even
equate
to
each
other,
they're
they're
so
different
in
nature.
AB
But
you
know
when
you
have
people
that
understand
traffic
and
can
move
traffic
along
and
encourage
people
to
to
follow
the
rules.
It
really
makes
a
big
difference,
so
I
applaud
the
outlets
for
what
they're
doing
for
their
events
as
well.
As
you
know,
the
car
show
in
itself.
So
thank
you
so
much.
Q
Just
because
of
the
nature
of
the
the
camaraderie
and
the
fact
that
it's
every
Saturday
you
don't
have
to
sit
and
figure
out.
Your
calendar
I've
been
going
to
car
shows
for
50
years
and
the
fact
that
you
know
what's
going
to
happen
every
Saturday,
it's
just
it
brings
such
a
sense
of
community
and
these
it's
just
especially
the
kids
when
I
see-
and
you
like.
Q
You
can't
limit
it
really
to
cars
that
are
like
pre-2000,
because
if
a
guy's
got
a
10
year
old
monster
that
he's
working
on
and
he's
wrenching
on,
he
or
she,
because
we
have
a
lot
of
girls,
it
just
encourages
them
to
be
involved,
be
enthusiastic
and
about
the
sport,
and
it's
probably,
the
most
inclusive
car
show
I've
ever
seen,
because
you
can
run
what
you
brung.
It
doesn't
have
to
be
fancy,
it
doesn't
have
to
be
finished.
Q
It
doesn't
have
to
be
of
any
category
whether
you
got
the
million
dollar
cars
or
you
got
the
beaters
it
just.
It
creates
a
whole
sense
of
its
own
community
and
it
spills
over
and
I.
Think
really
weekly
is
the
way
and
the
traffic
pattern
that
little
parade
at
the
end,
I
mean
it's
literally.
It's
lined
up
like
the
Rose
Parade
and
the
people
that
want
to
get
out
of
there
in
a
quicker
way.
We
go
around
the
building.
It
seems
to
be
good,
except
for
you
get
these
few
people
that,
frankly,
do
stupid
things.
Q
I
was
a
member
of
the
Topanga
Plaza
Sunday,
Cars
and
Coffee
for
many
years,
and
our
sign
said
no
revving,
no
Burns,
Out
burnouts,
don't
be
an
idiot
and
it
kind
of
really
kind
of
it
took
care
of
things
so
anyway.
Thank
you
very
much
and
I
really
encourage
you
to
keep
it.
AC
I've
never
got
up
to
speak
before
so
I'm
a
42
year
resident
of
San
Clemente.
My
husband
takes
the
pictures
at
Cars
and
Coffee
and
speaking
for
the
Youth,
there's
been
some
kids
that
are
learning
photography,
taking
pictures
of
the
cars
and
and
that's
another
good
thing
for
the
Youth
to
do
and
I
just
support,
Carson
coffee,
my
husband
is
there
every
single,
Saturday
and
I'm
sorry
I
get
teary-eyed,
but
I'm,
not
a
speaker
and
when
I
have
to
get
up
and
say
something
I
cry.
N
You
I
I
I've
grown
up
in
San
Clemente
I've
been
a
volunteer
at
the
cars
of
coffee
for
the
last
like
couple
years
and
it
so
well
organized,
as
opposed
to
like
other
car
meets
that
aren't
as
organized
and
I
think
that
they
put
an
emphasis
on
what
they
want.
The
like
volunteers
to
kind
of
do
now.
Granted
the
volunteers
aren't
like
official
security
but
at
the
same
time,
kind
of
keep
their
eye
on
everything.
N
I've
worked,
multiple
positions
like
all
over
spread
out,
like
I've,
been
in
front
of
the
sea,
Summit
people
and
I've
talked
to
Residents
coming
in
and
out
there
walking
their
dogs
and
they
love
that
show.
I've
worked
in
the
back
and
seen
traffic
go
by.
You
know
in
and
out
as
opposed
to
having
all
the
traffic
go
through
that
back
end.
N
I,
don't
think
that's
gonna
really
help
anything
per
se
if
most
of
the
people
that
are
there
to
see
the
cars
and
they're
going
to
be
there
for
the
beginning
of
the
show
that
would
just
cause
congestion
in
the
back
and
that's
where
a
lot
of
the
employees
Park
and
the
outlets.
So
that
kind
of
you
know
gets
their
cars
in
the
way
of
the
parade,
I
guess
but
like
what
I.
What
I
want
to
say
is
that
they
don't
they
have
way
more
of
an
emphasis
control
of
the
show.
N
You
know,
there's
people
that
are
complaining
that
cards
are
too
loud,
but
I
want
to
say
that
doesn't
really
affect
the
show
too
much
like
if
people
are
complaining
about
cars
that
are
over
by
target
or
up
and
down
Hermosa
doesn't
necessarily
mean
they
came
to
the
show.
You
know
I
want
to
say
that
that
I
know
people
that
go
up
and
down
lapada.
N
They
go
out
in
the
Ortega
and
they
use
that
direction
to
go,
but
that
doesn't
necessarily
kind
of
reflect
the
show
so
like
if
people
are
upset
and
they're
complaining
letters
to
you
about
different
things,
it
doesn't
really
necessarily
mean
that
you
know
it's
the
show's
fault
per
se.
Does
that
make
sense?
It's
like
I'm
trying
to
express
that
yeah
I'm
a
little
nervous
too
babe
public
speaking,
is
a
little
rough,
but
but
I
love
the
show
and
I
love
the
camaraderie
that
people
go
I've
I've
been
living
in
San
Clemente.
N
N
AD
Good
evening,
sir,
my
name
is
Alma
Hassan
I'm,
a
local
San,
Camino,
High,
School
student
and
part
of
the
auto
Academy,
something
that
Cars
and
Coffee
kind
of
holds
for
me,
and
like
is
important
to
me,
is
that
it
kind
of
brought
the
sense
of
motivation
that
I
was
kind
of
you
know
lacking
because
you
know
seeing
like
all
the
cool
cars
you
know,
it's
always
exhilarating
kind
of
seeing
them
in
the
movies
you
know
playing
in
the
games,
but
kind
of
sitting
face
to
face
into
like
probably
one
of
my
dream
cars
that
I've
probably
seen
a
couple
times
there.
AD
But
it's
something
that
you
know
it's
obtainable
like
the
last
Saturday
I
was
talking
to
someone
when
I
went,
and
he
was
just
telling
me
like
a
bunch
of
knowledge
and
insight
and
advice
that
what
I
should
do
at
this
young
age
to
kind
of
pursue
my
dream
and
my
career
into
like
obtaining
these
cars,
and
it's
just
it's
crazy
that,
like
he
like,
told
me
that
much
stuff,
because
nowadays
people
are
kind
of
monopolizing
their
knowledge
and
not
really
sharing
it.
AD
So
you
know
kind
of
this
guy
kind
of
breaking
down
all
the
main
aspects
of
you
know.
Sharing
these
tips
of
advice
was
kind
of
shocking,
so
you
know
I'm
glad
that
he
did
that
and
definitely
cars
and
coffees
is
a
way
to
kind
of
build
bondship
with
other
people.
You
know
see
the
elderly
people
kind
of
the
people,
that's
been
in
the
car
industry
for
a
very
long
time.
AD
So
it's
you
know
it's
it's
it's
inspiring
and
you
know
I'm
I'm
glad
that
San
Clemente
holds
this
because
there's
a
lot
of
stuff
in
San
Clemente
like
Friday,
Night
Football,
you
know
the
whole
city
kind
of
shuts
down
to
kind
of
support
the
boys-
and
this
like
Saturdays,
is
kind
of
like
that
special
time
kind
of
appreciate.
All
the
you
know:
people
the
guys
and
the
girls
and
that
are
interested
in
an
automotive
aspect
of
life.
So.
B
B
Okay,
seeing
none
will
close
the
public
hearing
and
open
up
for
commission
discussion.
L
I
guess
I'll
do
that,
thanks
to
everyone
for
coming
out
and
support,
it's
obvious
that
you
know
we're
looking
at.
A
L
L
You
know
thinking
back
of
the
outlet
mall
and
it
would
struggle.
You
know
struggled
quite
a
bit
for
a
few
years.
There's
people
who
are
against
it
from
the
beginning,
but
it's
here
and
I
think
it's
a
it's
a
huge
benefit
for
our
community
and
obviously
this
car
show
has
been
and
a
kind
of
an
injection
of
Revenue
and
excitement.
I
think
for
our
city
and
I
appreciate
the
fact
that
it's
run
so
well.
I.
Think
that
says
a
lot
about
our
city
that
we
have
and
we
have
an
event
like
this.
L
L
The
other
thing
is
the
the
weekly
versus
you
know:
bi-monthly
versus
you
know:
I
am
a
fairly
organized.
Individual
I
have
a
calendar,
but
if
something
doesn't
happen
on
a
regular
basis,
I
start
to
lose
track
of
it
and
I
think
you
know
if
the
thing's
going
to
work
and
if
we're
going
to
come
up
with
a
program
that
works,
you
know
I
agree.
I
should
be
there
every
week.
L
I
know
that's
not
something
that
staff
is
recommending,
but
I
think
you
know
the
regularity
of
the
event
is.
What
brings
the
excitement
if
it's
once
a
month?
It's
going
to
be
hard
to
track.
People
are
going
to
come
down
here
and
go
oh
gosh.
It
wasn't
wasn't
going
on
I'm
not
coming
back.
You
know,
I,
just
think
it's
going
to
throw
it
out
of
rhythm
I.
Think
the
event
has
some
Rhythm
I
believe
there
were
some
good
suggestions.
L
Commissioner,
Leffler
I
think
brought
up
the
really
all
the
complaints
that
we've
heard
have
been
off-site
related.
So
I
think
that
you
know
we
should
add
a
condition
that
there's
some
full-time
monitoring
by
the
CHP
and
I
know
that
costs
money.
But
there's
I
I
think
I've
I
heard
from
the
operator
that
that
can
be
worked
out.
So
I
would
recommend
that
we
that
we
consider
that
you.
L
L
L
C
Crandall
I'd
like
to
compliment
everybody
that
spoke,
including
the
high
school
student
and
I,
share
the
passion
for
old
cars,
not
necessarily
the
new
high
performance
ones,
but
I
think
most
of
the
people
who
spoke
probably
are
more
in
that
category
and
mine
couldn't
make
noise
if
they
wanted
to
there
anywhere
from
a
Model
A
to
a
57
Morris
Minor
they're
not
going
to
leave
much
rubber
on
the
road,
but
I
agree
that
the
noise
is
an
issue.
C
We've
received
numerous
letters
that
we
all
wrote
and
when
I
say
numerous
I
think
what
do
you
think
12,
probably
12
letters
and
weighing
the
response
this
evening
with
the
complaints,
I
have
to
say
I'm
impressed
with
the
passion
that
everyone
here
has
for
not
just
the
event
but
the
operator
and
the
outlets
and
what
they
provide.
The
city.
C
There's
a
lot
of
benefit
and
there's
a
lot
of
importance
in
the
city,
making
sure
that
the
outlets
do
well
too
many
cities
have
vacant
shopping
centers
around
and
we
need
to
partner
with
the
outlets
to
make
sure
in
good
and
bad
times.
C
C
I
know
you
don't
make
a
decision
on
this,
but
we've
got
a
proposal
from
staff
that
we
go
alternate
weeks
for
half
the
year,
which
would
mean
12
lost
events
six
months
two
times
a
month,
something
like
that.
C
D
C
Answers
my
question
very
good,
so
I
am
in
support
of
all
of
the
events,
because
every
single
one
of
them
benefit
the
citizens
of
San
Clemente,
as
proposed
and
I,
do
want
to
somehow
make
sure
some
of
the
security
issues
are
pursued.
C
So
somehow,
in
the
resolution
or
in
the
motion
directing
them
to
look
into
that
see
what,
if
it's
possible,
to
get
an
officer
during
the
event
I'd
like
to
see
it
pursued
but
I,
don't
think
I'd
mandate
it
as
part
of
the
a
requirement.
It
would
just
be
that
they
work
with
staff
to
address
those
issues.
C
Don't
I
don't
want
to
see
it
all
be
in
the
back.
I
think
we
need
the
correct
the
parade
environment
going
down
the
front
on
exiting
I,
really
like
it,
because
the
cars
have
to
stop
it.
Every
single
intersection,
all
the
way
down
that
Parade
route.
So
there's
no
speeding
at
the
within
the
property
where,
in
the
back
there's
only
I
think
at
the
main
entrance
is
a
stop
sign.
C
It
could
get
a
little
dicey
exiting
out
of
there
for
some
of
the
cars,
so
I'd
say
that
could
be
worked
out
with
staff,
but
I'd
like
to
see
the
exiting
out
the
front.
B
C
I
think
that
would
be
preferential,
but
I,
don't
think
it
would
be
a
violation
if
staff
finds
that
operationally
it
doesn't
work
I'd
want
them.
The
flexibility
to
alter
that
as
needed.
I
agree
with
that.
Okay.
M
Yeah
I'll
push
us
forward.
First
of
all,
I
want
to
ask
the
audience
to
bear
with
us
why
we
sort
this
out.
I
know
it
sounds
simple
to
you
just
let
it
do
what
it's
doing
now.
M
So
in
order
to
do
what
you're
doing
it
takes
work
on
our
part
to
figure
this
out.
Does
that
make
sense,
so
I
want
to
also
Echo
what
others
have
said.
You're
coming
down
here
is
important,
your
voicing
the
community's
interest,
and
we-
and
that
is
part
of
this
process
and
we've
had
over
the
my
tenure
here.
M
Many
such
situations
with
different
permitting
where
you
do
have
competing
interest
and
we
need
to
come
to
a
resolution,
and
this
is
the
Forum
where
that
happens
in
an
apolitical
way,
we're
all
technicians
here,
we're
not
political,
we're,
not
politicians.
We
are
serving
you
as
public
servants
with
specific
policy
skills
to
craft.
M
These
policies
make
these
findings
and
make
and
make
it
work
for
the
community,
and
so
I
want
to
thank
you
for
being
here,
but
I
also
want
to
reflect
that
there
are
people
that
have
that
live
in
the
community
that
are
impacted
and
have
concerns,
and
we
need
to
their
part
they're
our
neighbors
too.
M
So
it's
complicated
because
we've
got
a
series
of
the
original
outlet,
mall
zoned
for
a
retail
and
restaurant,
then
they
add
to
it
permits
to
do
other
things
outside
of
that
scope
right
the
current
last
time
they
we
came,
they
came
together
for
the
city
they
put
together.
The
package
there's
208
events
in
there
that
was
approved
in
that
approval
was
a
seasonal,
Auto
Show
that
the
contemplation
at
that
time,
when
it
was
applied
for
by
the
outlet
mall
two
times
a
year,
that's
what's
currently
on
the
books.
M
M
So
please
bear
with
us.
While
we
go
through
this,
because
these
are
documents
that
we're
trying
to
sort
through
tonight
there,
in
addition
to
the
208
events
that
were
previously
approved,
the
permit
is
being
amended
for
three
things:
the
bi-weekly
food
distribution,
which
I
don't
hear
any
concerns
about
that.
That
sounds
wonderful
and
no
impact,
no
complaints.
That's
that's
all
good!
So
no
issues.
There
then
there's
the
seasonal
holiday
partnership
events
12
per
year.
M
There's
not
a
lot
of
information
about
that.
I!
Don't
know
how
many
people
are
coming
to
that,
but
it
seems
that
that
probably
is
within
the
scope
of
the
current
208
events.
It's
not
extraordinary,
it's
not
different
and
then
the
third
item
is
the
weekly.
Now
moving
from
a
seasonal
car
show
to
a
weekly,
that's
the
third
item
and
I
think
that's
where
we're
trying
to
figure
out.
M
How
do
we
do
that
and
represent
everybody's
interest
in
a
fair
way
and
do
it
by
our
general
Municipal
Code
do
and
do
it
by
our
city
policy,
which
does
can
require
permits
for
these.
For
large-scale
events,
many
of
you
probably
familiar
with
the
city's
Fiesta
event.
That's
a
comparable
event
to
the
weekly
car
show
in
terms
of
the
size
of
attendees,
and
there
goes
a
lot
of
planning
into
that
one
day
a
year.
M
So
I'm
gonna
direct,
my
colleagues
to
the
resolution
that
is
before
us
from
the
staff
it's
PC,
22-031
and
I'm
on
page
23.
M
B
B
It
does
maybe
before
you
work
towards
that,
the
rest
of
us
should
be
heard.
On
our
perspective,
perfect.
B
L
B
Maybe
maybe
from
a
knot
of
the
head,
what
I
heard
you
guys
were
opposed
to?
Was
you
didn't
like
the
forced
routing
of
the
vehicles
behind
the
center?
You
did
not
like
the
flashing
lights,
which
I'm
not
sure
that
was
I,
think
that
was
just
an
option
and.
J
L
K
Well,
I
want
to
thank
the
public
for
coming
out.
Thank
you
very
much
and
yes,
we
have
also
heard
from
other
members
of
the
public,
with
their
letters
and
and
a
couple
of
phone
calls
to
try
to
find
a
balance
is
going
to
be
very
important
here.
I,
don't
know
that
we
can
satisfy
everyone,
so
I'm
I'm,
going
to
bring
my
concerns
with
also
being
sensitive
to
your
concerns
and
your
passions.
K
My
concern
is
always
number
one
for
me
is
always
going
to
be
safety
and
when
I
hear
from
some
members
of
the
public
that
they
have
concerns
about
safety
going
forward
because
of
large
number
of
people
Gathering
it
it's
going
to
be
part
of
one
of
my
topics.
We
live
in
strange
times.
Things
happen
that
we
never
thought
would
happen
before
and
I
don't
want
to
see
that
happen
in
our
suite
town.
Here
we
will
have
a
lot
of
out
of
town
visitors.
K
At
all
times
of
the
years
we
are
a
destination
I
think
the
car
show
is
a
wonderful
addition
to
the
community
and
going
forward.
I
also
want
to
have
a
little
wisdom
and
I
want
to
provide
the
public
with
a
sense
of
security,
but
not
only
a
sense
of
security.
I
want
to
provide
them
with
real
security.
I
appreciate
the
volunteers,
but
as
numbers
grow,
I
think
paid
security,
as
mentioned
tonight,
would
be
a
great
benefit
and
I
think
the
public
is
deserving
of
that.
We
we've
all
read
the
news.
K
We
all
know
what's
going
on,
and
things
are
changing
and
I
think
we
need
to
be
aware
of
that
and
show
some
wisdom
towards
these
days
ahead
of
us.
I
wish
it
would
change
back
to
the
good
old
days
where
we
can
let
our
kids
walk
home
from
school
and
play
until
the
street
lights
come
on.
But
those
days
seem
to
be
gone
and
we
have
to
take
extra
steps
to
make
sure
that
we
do
protect
everyone
that
comes
into
our
city
and
leaves
our
city.
K
So
I
would
recommend
that
either
the
sponsors,
the
promoters,
the
outlets
I,
don't
know
how
this
works
as
far
as
where
the
revenue
would
come
and
how
it
would
be
a
partnership.
But
I
would
recommend
a
full-time
motor
officer
there
that
you
have
to
pay
overtime
for
for
those
specific
hours
of
operation
and
I
would
recommend
hiring
Professional
Security
with
the
rating
that
was
recommended
tonight.
K
In
addition
to
the
security
that
you
already
have
and
the
great
volunteers
that
you
have
as
far
as
the
traffic
and
the
routing
I
agree
that
the
parade
needs
to
continue.
It
sounds
like
it's
a
wonderful
event
for
families
to
come
in
early,
get
a
cup
of
coffee
and
sit
with
their
kids
and
watch
the
parade
as
far
as
how
it
works.
Exiting
and
injuring
I'm
going
to
give
this
to
someone
who
you
know
the
rest
of
the
commission
and
the
staff
to
figure
that
out.
B
My
thoughts
on
it
are
as
follows:
I
appreciate
everyone
coming
out,
I
appreciate
the
individuals
that
wrote
letters,
I
did
read
all
of
them.
First
and
foremost,
I
appreciate
sounds
like
The.
Operators
have
really
led
the
charge
on
some
charity
work.
Significant
amount
of
charity
work
which
I
appreciate
it
seems
to
me.
B
My
perception
is
that
it's
exceptionally
well
run,
especially
on
a
you
know,
sounds
like
it's
generally,
basically,
a
non-profit
event,
which
is
extraordinarily
popular
with
people
I'm,
supportive
of
it
being
weekly
I
agree
with
commissioner
Camp
entirely
that,
if
you
have
to
remember,
is
it
does
this
weekend
or
next
weekend
or
oh
I
forgot,
and
you
know
it
needs
to
be
weekly
in
my
opinion,
I'm
glad
to
hear
the
officers
saying
that
they're
generally,
you
know
trying
to
monitor
it
and
and
enforce
around
the
perimeter.
B
Every
week
you
know
yeah
they
have
callouts
to
other
spots,
but
in
my
opinion,
that's
sufficient.
That
I
don't
think
we
need
to
mandate.
You
know
paid
extra
person
dedicated.
It
sounds
like
they're
already.
You
know
aware
of
the
event
and
they're
trying
to
you
know,
support
it
and
enforce
in
the
vicinity
on
a
regular
basis,
and
given
especially
that
you
know
it's
not
really
a
for-profit
business
effectively.
B
I
don't
see
the
need
for
that.
I,
don't
see
the
need
for
additional
paid
Security
on
site,
because
that's
not
what
the
complaints
have
been
about.
The
complaints
haven't
been
about.
You
know
it's
a
bad
environment,
there's
lots
of
fighting
on
on
site
or
whatever
that
hasn't
been
the
problem.
The
problem
is
off-site
noise,
so
I
don't
see
that
addressing
or
helping
anything
as
an
opinion.
I
do
think
that
you
know
you
guys
should
have
some
security
that
is
willing
to
get
involved
and
break
up
a
fight
sitting
around
saying.
B
Stop
it
guys
that
doesn't
seem
particularly
helpful,
I'm
supportive
of
the
event
effectively
going
on
unchanged
from
how
it's
currently
operating
I
prefer
the
Chick-fil-A
entrance
for
the
show
cars
but
I.
Like
commissioner
Crandall's
idea,
I,
don't
think
it
should
be
mandatory,
I
think
stat,
because
if
all
of
a
sudden
we
dictate
something
and
then
it
starts
queuing
up
to
the
freeway.
B
That's
a
terrible
idea,
so
I
think
staff
should
have
flexibility
on
that
and
I
like
the
idea
of
the
cars
going
along
the
parade
route
in
front
and
not
being
forced
behind
the
Center.
So
those
are
my
comments.
I'm
open
to
a
motion
I
would
suggest
that
we
focus
on
recommended
changes
to
what's
been
proposed
and
if
we
don't
need
to
talk
about
everything,
if
there's
no
provisions.
M
M
M
M
Okay,
so
you're
good
with
that.
Okay,
the
SEC
that
number
c
has
to
do
with
security
and
management
for
the
car
show
with
set
forth
in
a
security
and
management
plan.
F
That's
a
fair
question,
commissioner:
Cosgrove
within
attachment
six,
the
former
approved
plan
there's
two
elements
of
a
security
plan.
There's
a
general
security
plan
at
the
beginning
of
that
packet.
That
would
remain
unchanged.
Then
there
is
an
outlet
specific
security
plan
that
would
be
updated
with
any
conditions
that
the
commission
implements
this
evening.
That
section
of
the
former
approved
grouping
events
would
be
stricken
and
then
replaced
with
okay,
an
updated
description
by
what
you
decide
this
evening.
M
Okay,
great
because
I
I
think
it
would
be
helpful
if
we
did
have
a
Cars
and
Coffee
specific
Security
Management
plan
and
for
me
having
that
reviewed
by
staff
annually
to
adjust
would
be
a
something
a
feature
I'd
like
to
see.
In
that
plan
we
don't
need
to
have
a
public
hearing,
but
I
think
if
it
was
reviewed
by
staff
I
think
that
would
be
a
nice
feature
to
have
and
I
would
like
to
so.
If
that's
what
we're
talking
about
and
see,
I
think
that
would
be.
M
That
would
be
adequate
as
it
indicates
here
that
would
be
reviewed
and
approved
by
the
community
development
director.
Dee
I,
don't
have
any
comments
about
C.
All
right
number
e
is
where
we
talk
of
what
you
guys
have
already
been
discussing
in
terms
of
the
entrance
and
exits,
the
Ingress
and
egress,
and
all
of
that
number
F.
This
is
where
I
wanna
I
would
like
to
talk.
Zero
in
on
F
property
ownership,
I'll
provide
a
minimum
of
four
security
Personnel
per
event.
M
What,
as
commissioner
loffler
has
indicated,
I
think
what
we
ought
to
do
is
be
a
little
bit
more
prescriptive
and
that
the
I'm
not
I'm
not
sold
at
four
is
the
minimum,
but
I
think
it.
They
need
to
have
at
least
two
security
officers
that
are
hired
by
the
operator
managed
by
them
and
that
have
the
training
that
I
believe
was
referred
to
earlier.
M
The
840
trained
and
uniform
security
I'm
open
to
whether
it
should
be
larger,
but
a
minimum
of
two
of
those
type
of
security
officers
and
I
do
think.
It's
I
do
think
having
a
paid
OC,
sheriff's
deputy
from
8
to
noon.
You
know
and
that,
as
part
of
the
security
plan,
that
coordination
has
worked
out,
whether
they're
you
know
partially
on
officer
on
site
partially
an
officer.
M
That's
on
the
motorcycle
that
can
leave
that
up
to
the
outlet
mall
Security
executive,
as
well
as
the
operator
in
the
city,
to
kind
of
do
that,
but
I
think
having
the
operator
pay
for
a
secure,
a
deputy
from
eight
to
noon
dedicated
that
Deputy
has
dedicated
this
event
would
go
a
long
way
so
I'd
like
to
that's
what
I'm
looking
at
as
far
as
f
is
concerned.
M
So
whenever
we
get
to
a
motion,
Mr
chair,
I
would
like
to
for
C
and
F
modify
that
to
include
you
know
what
those
suggestions
when
we
get
to
that
point,
and
if
anybody
wants
to
word
Smith
that
that's
fun
by
my
that
by
me.
C
Yeah
I've
got
a
question
for
Adam
on
other
special
events.
This
is
a
morning
event
nobody's
been
drinking.
C
They've
only
been
one
incident
that
I'm
aware
of
that.
That
became
an
altercation.
What
do
we
require
for
other?
Let's
say
special
event
permits
of
you
know:
1500
people.
D
That's
a
tough
question
to
answer,
but
I
appreciate
it
most
of
the
events
that
we
would
have
that
generate
that
amount
of
people
would
be
a
special
event
permits
which
are
issued
by
the
beaches.
Parks.
D
That's
that's
going
that
varies
depending
on
the
type
of
event
in
a
lot
of
the
city's
partnered
events.
Ocsd
provides
the
security
for
that.
What
I
can
say
is
the.
There
are
a
number
of
factors
that
dictate
how
secure
the
number
of
security
Personnel
is
identified
in
venues
where
there
are
it's,
it's
in
an
enclosed
space,
a
lot
of
the
times,
there'll
be
people
stationed
at
the
entrances
and
exits
and
then
a
number
identified
for
the
for
the
amount
of
people
that
are
there.
But
it
depends
on
the
event
and.
C
Most
of
it
used
to
be
management
staff
rather
than
trained
security
staff.
Well,.
D
We
do
require
specifically
security
staff
that
have
the
word
Security
on
them.
It's
in
the
operator's
best
interest
to
ensure
that
those
people
wearing
shirts-
that
say
security
actually
are
security.
In
case
there
is
an
incident.
There
is
an
expectation
that
people
wearing
a
shirt
to
Security
will
be
able
to
provide
that,
but
again,
a
lot
of
the
other
events
that
where
security
is
required
are
events
where
there
is
alcohol
involved.
D
If,
if
not,
it's
an
event
based
around
alcohol,
but
I
can
tell
you
for
events
with
alcohol
in
later
days
that
are
outside
I'm.
Thinking
of
like
the
the
micro
brew
fest,
which
draws
somewhere
between
three
and
five
hundred
people,
we
typically
would
require
like
two
or
three
security
personnel
in
in
reviewing
these
conditions
of
approval.
I
I
see
four
security
personnel
as
a
number
that
we
would
typically
require
for
similar
events,
but
this
is
a
unique
situation
in
that
it's
in
the
morning.
There
is
it's
not
an
alcohol-based
event.
D
The
unique
feature
about
this
event,
though,
is
probably
the
larger
size
of
it,
just
the
the
square
footage
of
it,
and
so
we
want
to
make
sure
that
there's
a
you
know
that
it
doesn't
take
somebody,
you
know
four
minutes
to
get
to
the
other
side
of
the
event.
Should
there
be
an
issue,
those
are
our
concerns
and
that's
what
that's?
What
we
put
into
the
conditions.
B
B
B
I
have
a
question
for
you.
Adam,
aside
from
the
one
fight,
are
you
or
Jonathan
aware
of
any
other
significant
on-site
confrontations
or
problems
that
would
require
the
need
of
security.
F
I
am
not
I'm,
not
I'd.
Add
to
that
that
we
do
when
we
review
permits
like
this
review,
the
recommended
conditions
with
ocsd,
so
I
have
reviewed
the
proposal
with
Sergeant
Streeter.
He
did
not
recommend
changes.
F
My
apologies
sorry
I'll
speak.
Closer
I
was
commenting
that,
after
the
report
was
drafted,
I
did
review
the
recommended
conditions
of
approval
with
Sergeant
Schrader
ahead
of
time.
On
a
couple
of
occasions.
He
did
comment
that
he
did
not
see
a
need
for
additional
security
Beyond
this.
If
the
commission
is
considering
a
dedicated
Deputy
I
do
have
some
information
on
the
potential
structuring
of
that.
If
there
were,
if
you
are
to
go
that
way,
I
can
answer
some
questions.
There
too,.
K
F
Correct
he
didn't
indicate
a
need,
a
request
to
expand
or
go
beyond
what
was
referenced.
K
In
that
was
reference
there
for
the
four
correct
okay,
so
we
were
looking
at
maybe
dropping
that
down
to
two
okay,
so
that
would
be
at
the
four
and
then
what
what
information
do
you
have
on
on
paid.
F
Sure
so,
obviously
I'm
not
the
the
end
and
most
insightful
on
this,
but
I
asked
these
questions
so
I
could
at
least
provide
some
preliminary
information
on
this.
The
ocsd
does
staff
on
occasional
on
occasion,
special
events.
They
are
overtime
staffed,
so
they
do
have
to
find
deputies
that
will
take
those
overtime
options.
Their
pool
for
deputies
that
are
available
to
take
those
overtime
options
is
much
smaller
currently
than
it
was
in
the
past.
So
we've
seen
that
at
the
city
level,
with
requests
for
Staffing,
it
July
4th
Etc.
F
So
the
captain
benfield's
position
on
that
is
that
we
would
likely
not
be
able
to
request
and
get
filled,
have
a
deputy
volunteer
to
take
that
overtime
position
every
week.
And
so,
if
the
commission
were
interested
in
that,
probably
the
best
way
to
frame
a
condition
would
be
to
set
a
target
number
of
opportunities
frame,
the
condition
in
a
way
that
the
outlets
would
be
responsible
for
for
reimbursing
the
city
for
the
costs
incurred,
and
then
the
city
would
just
have
those
overtimes
scheduled
on
a
rolling
basis.
F
Whenever
a
deputy
is
able
to
claim
that
shift
and
and
then
we
would
get
reimbursement
from
the
outlets,
I
would
recommend
that
we
specify,
if
the
if
the
commission
is
interested
in
going,
that
direction,
specify
a
number
so
that
the
outlets
can
discuss
and
and
budget
accordingly.
For
something
like
that,.
K
And
again,
this
would
be
the
responsibility
of
the
outlets,
not
the
the
event,
sponsors
or
James.
D
I
should
write
a
phone
book
to
sit
on.
No
Jonathan
is
looking
up
that
information
in
the
meantime,
I
will
answer
in
the
affirmative
to
that
question.
Well,.
K
While
Jonathan
is
looking
up
and
thank
you
for
the
for
the
information
I
could
be
in
support
of
this
going
forward
and
to
change
it
to
the
weekly.
If
there
was
the
security
and
if
there
was
the
opportunity
to
have
the
outlets
assist
with
the
additional
time
for
the
sheriff,
you
know
he
does
he's
there
on
and
off,
but
not
on
a
regular
basis.
K
It
would
be
eight
to
twelve
as
far
as
the
forest
security
that's
recommended
here
by
Captain,
Benfield
I,
wouldn't
want
to
change
that
or
he
was
in
agreeance
with
that
I'm
not
sure
that
dropping
it
down
to
two
would
it
would
alter
his
opinion
on
that?
I
I
wasn't
quite
clear
on
that,
so
and
and
again
with
the
with
the
security
Personnel.
Would
that
also
be
part
of
the
outlets,
or
is
that
the
event
coordinator
or
events
under
their
responsibility.
K
You
reframe
that
question
the
security
that's
listed
here,
the
four
Personnel
wearing
shirts,
vests
and
jackets.
Clearly,
labeled
security
item
number
or
item
f
is
that
the
responsibility
Outlets
to
provide
correct.
D
And
just
to
clarify
all
of
these
conditions
are
the
requirement
of
the
outlets.
They
are
the
applicant.
They
are
the
owners
of
the
cup
if
they,
if,
if
as
long
as
security
is
provided,
they
don't,
they
don't
have
to
actually
pay
for
it
themselves,
but
they
are
responsible
for
ensuring
the
compliance
with
these.
C
C
And
I
may
propose
that
this
policy
be
reviewed
by
the
Orange
County
Sheriff's
Department
approved
as
adequate,
so
they
could
say
if
they
won't
think
they
need
an
officer.
Then
that's
what
is
required
because
so
far
they
don't.
The
sheriff's
department
doesn't
deem
it
necessary,
but
that
they
have
the
chance
to
review
it
and
request
it.
If
necessary
and.
J
B
C
B
It
seems
to
me
the
city
ought
to
have
some
input
in
that
like
if
they,
if,
if,
if
the
sheriff's
department
recommends
hey,
we
think
there
should
be
a
security
that
they're
not
the
ones
making
the
decision.
That
would
be
a
recommendation
to
City
whether
it's
City
staff
or
back
to
the
Planning
Commission
or
whatever,
to
take
that
into
consideration.
B
M
B
C
B
I
propose
I
motion
that
we
approve
for
discussion
purposes.
I
won't
get
into
do,
I
need
to
all
the
mumbo
jumbo.
B
B
Recommend
that
we
I
don't
quite
have
quite
a
word
this,
but
state
of
preference
for
car,
show
exhibitors
to
be
directed
to
the
Chick-fil-A
Northerly
entrance
and
exit
for
entering
and
exiting
the
property
subject
to
flexibility
based
on
staff
and
ongoing
input
if
there's
excessive,
queuing
or
whatever
that
they'll
be
allowed.
Some
flexibility
on
that
and
I'm
fine
with
all
the
other
conditions
as
written.
That
would
be.
My
recommendation
promote
my
motion.
C
Now,
for
commissioner
loffler
and
Cosgrove,
would
you
guys
on
F
want
to
put
a
requirement
that
the
city
review
the
security
plan
with
Orange
County
Sheriff's
Department.
C
K
So
it
just
occurred
to
me
that
Captain
Benfield
was
looking
at
twice
monthly
when
he
weighed
in
on
the
security.
It
wasn't
weekly
so
now
from
twice
monthly,
it's
going
to
weekly,
so
that
does
change
the
security
aspect
of
this
correct,
oh
because
it's
twice
monthly
so
that
so
now
it's
a
weekly
weekly
event
with
a
thousand
people
coming
weekly.
Instead.
A
K
C
Changes
and
it
can
be
raining
and
all
sorts
of
things
can
happen.
Okay.
B
K
I
I'm,
still
with
the
the
the
paid
sheriffs
I,
I'm
I'm,
still
feeling
that
we
need
to
have
the
the
additional
presence
of
the
Sheriff
Deputy.
Okay,.
F
Guess
it
overtime
rate
is
just
under
100,
so
if
we're
looking
at
having
a
deputy
for
five
hours,
for
instance,
that'd
be
about
five
hundred
dollars
per
weekend
that
they
do
fill
that
position.
Thank
you.
I.
M
Would
I
just
my
input
here,
Mr
chair
is
we
have
two
I'm
just
trying
to
be
specific
to
the
resolution.
Sure
item
C
talks
about
a
Security
Management
plan.
M
So
if
we
do
that,
I
think
that
would
be
an
improvement
regarding
F.
Now,
that's
the
actual
execution
of
the
security,
where
the
staff
is
currently
indicating
that
the
property
ownership
provide
a
minimum
of
four
security
Personnel
per
event,
which
is
an
expansion
from
what
they
have
now
they
have
three
in
a
manager.
So
my
only
concern
there
is
to
make
sure
that
they're,
properly
trained,
I,
don't
know
the
terminology
versus
a
guard
versus
a.
M
Someone,
that's
maybe
more
highly
trained,
but
that
could
be
worked
out
in
the
security
plan
and
see
so
maybe
we
don't
need
to
be
prescriptive.
We
can
just
let
the
mall
and
we
can
let
the
pub
our
public
safety
director,
our
chief
of
police,
as
well
as
our
community
development
director,
come
up
with
that
plan
and
they
can
indicate
the
level
of
skills
and
so
forth.
M
M
The
only
thing
that
again
I'm
trying
to
speak
for
the
residents
that
have
voice
concern
is
again
the
traffic
on
Vista,
Hermosa
and
I
do
think
it's
going
to
be
an
improvement
if
we
can
get
our
motorcycle
officer
on
Vista
Hermosa
on
Saturdays,
at
least
in
that
10
30
to
11
30
window.
But
that's
that
to
me
is
the
key
to
addressing
those
concerns.
M
So
I
don't
know
that
we
need
to
be
specific,
I,
don't
think
we
can
be
specific
and
mandate
that,
but
I
think
we
expressed
it
tonight
that
that's
our
desire
and
I
would
like
that
portion
of
this
to
be
specific,
you
know,
can
be
addressed
in
again
back
to
item
C,
so
I
think
if
we
left
I
think
C
is
the
key.
The
only
other
thing
that
I
would
like
to
suggest
that
is
an
absent
from
all
of
these
conditions.
M
I
would
propose
a
I
think
it
would
be
I
bear
with
me
while
I
get
back
to
the
page.
With
my
notes,
the
conversation
I
had
earlier
with
the
operator
around
enhancing
their
Communications
about
the
traffic
on
our
city
streets,
in
other
words,
asking
them
to
expand
their
communication
to
their
audience
from
the
on-site.
No
revving,
no
burnouts,
none.
You
know
all
of
that
to
include
you
know
that
stays
but
add.
B
I'll
modify
my
motion
to
include
all
those
things
you
reference.
So
I
heard
that
c.
The
Security
Management
plan
should
be
reviewed
annually,
with
City
staff
and
and
the
head
of
our
local
law
enforcement
and,
additionally,
that
they
have
a
the
you
know:
emphasis
on
the
off-site
noise
and
speeding
issues
and
the
email
for
complaints
and
and
keeping
track
of
of
that
log.
I'll
modify
my
motion,
including
those.
B
I
think
we'll
take
seven
minute
break.
Let's
return,
oh
at
ten
to
nine.
B
Which
I'm
sure
those
who
are
remaining
are
happy
about
item
8B
conditional
use,
permit
22-342,
The,
Happening
social
organization,
657
Camino
de
los
mares
Suite
130?
Do
we
have
a
staff
report.
AE
AE
This
property
is
located
within
the
community
commercial
for
zoning
District.
It's
primarily
used
as
a
commercial
center
with
a
predominantly
more
medical
uses
than
personal
services.
The
Applause
is
made
up
of
three
Parcels.
As
seen
in
the
image
we
have
655
653
and
657
Camino
de
los
Mars
that
make
up
the
plaza
and
all
have
a
reciprocal
parking
agreement
which
totals
240
parking
spaces
for
all
tenants
on
site.
AE
So
let's
go
into
more
detail
with
this
use,
so
it's
a
membership
based
social
organization
that
caters
to
young
adults
with
disabilities.
Their
main
goal
is
to
provide
an
environment
where
they
can
come
and
socialize
and
participate
in
group
activities
and
I
know
the
activities
in
the
next
slide.
These
disabilities
of
the
individuals
are
listed
below,
but
are
not
limited
to
autism,
Down
syndrome,
cerebral
policy
and
learning
disabilities.
AE
The
happening
this
is
the
social
organization's
name
is
proposing
one
employee
and
45
members
at
one
time,
they'll
be
providing
three-hour
sessions
per
day
between
the
hours
of
10
a.m
and
9
pm.
AE
So
the
activities
they'll
be
provide,
providing
and
again
not
limited
to.
These
are
movie
Nights
video
games,
board
games
and
air
hockey.
The
per
the
business
plan
of
the
happening,
the
main
mode
of
transportation
for
the
members,
will
be
through
public
transit
or
OC
access
shuttles
for
those
individuals
that
cannot
drive
themselves.
AE
So
the
required
amount
of
parking
for
this
use
is
23.5
parking
spaces.
After
applying
the
parking
ratio
for
a
group
instruction,
the
code
does
not
have
a
a
use
listed
in
the
parking
section
of
the
code
for
a
social
organization.
So
in
that
instance,
the
the
code
allows
staff
to
use
a
similar
use,
and
in
this
case
it
was
group
instruction
and
that
parking
ratio
was
one
per
employee
and
one
per
two
members.
AE
So
looking
at
the
entire
site,
the
total
amount
of
parking
spaces
is
234
parking
spaces
with
a
parking
supply
of
240,
which
makes
it
keeps
the
plaza
in
compliance
with
parking
requirements.
There
is
I
won't
note
that
there
is
a
condition
of
approval
which
requires
that
the
members
be
the
park
on
site
for
those
that
could
drive
themselves
at
the
park
and
walk
or,
if
they're,
being
dropped
off
at
the
park
and
walk
to
the
site.
Given
that
there
is
no
the
pickup
or
drop-off
Zone
on
this
property.
AE
So,
regarding
noise
and
visual
impacts,
staff
finds
that
these
are
mitigated,
given
that
the
the
use
will
be
operating
entirely
indoors.
There
is
no
live
entertainment
being
proposed.
The
nearest
residential
property
is
east
of
the
the
subject
site
and
is
separated
by
an
adjacent
open
space
east
of
the
property.
On
the
subject
property
there
are
also
no
exterior
building
or
site
modifications
to
accommodate
the
use,
and
we
have
existing
utility
services
that
support
the
proposed
use.
AE
Some
conclusion
staff
finds
that
the
use
is
in
compliance
with
code
requirements
and
consistent
with
General
plan
policies,
and
we
do
have
some
public
comments
that
were
provided
to
the
Commission
in
the
staff
report
and
via
email.
One
comment
did
address
concerns
regarding
the
amount
of
handicapped
spaces
and
the
possibility
of
some
parking
spaces
being
used
by
another
property
south
of
the
subject
site
so
per
staff
analysis
and
recommendation.
R
I'll,
keep
it
short
and
sweet.
My
name
is
Stratton
Palmer,
the
owner
of
the
happening.
I
want
to
thank
you
guys
for
your
time.
I
just
want
to
share
the
importance
of
this
Venture
I've
been
working
professionally
in
this
field
for
over
15
years
now
started
off
as
a
behavioral
specialist
for
the
school
district,
local
school
district
and
then
more
recently,
as
an
executive
level
at
an
adult,
Day
program.
R
In
that
time,
I've
saw
a
real
void
in
this
community,
and
that
was
this
social
aspect
having
a
location
where
these
individuals,
this
community,
could
come
be
with
their
peers
and
have
a
fun
time,
and
so
just
wanted
to
say.
Thank
you
again
for
this
adventure,
and
hopefully
I
can
catch.
You
guys
approval
in
this
and
I'm
so
excited
for
the
fact
that
be
here
and
the
opportunity
to
have
this
business
in
the
happening
in
the
beautiful
city,
San
Clemente.
C
Question
for
the
applicant,
with
from
your
experience,
how
many
of
your
members
require
a
a
family
member
to
attend
with
a
percentage-wise.
R
Most
are
more
of
the
higher
functioning
level
where
most
will
be
coming.
Getting
dropped
off
and
independently
and
participating
at
The,
Happening,
independently,
I,
would
say.
R
C
B
R
Correct
so
the
how
the
business
is
going
to
be
ran
in
in
the
terms
and
conditions,
individuals
that
require
any
behavioral
intervention.
R
So
if
any
behavioral
interventions,
if
it's
physical
non,
you
know
verbal
anything
that
they
have
or
if
they
have
medical
conditions
that
are
uncontrollable,
such
as
you
know,
seizure
disorders,
epilepsy
or,
if
they
have
life
living
skills
needs
such
as
bathrooming.
They
have
to
be
accompanied
by
a
parent
guardian
or
an
outsourced
caregiver,
and
so,
when
signing
up
all
members
fill
out
a
basically
a
report,
not
acknowledging
the
terms
and
conditions
and
also
stating
you
know
the
needs
that
they
have
and
when
expressing
those
needs,
they
must
be
company.
B
Okay,
it
just
seems
to
me
and
I:
don't
have
zero
expertise
in
your
field,
but
that
you
would
need
two
people.
One
is
just
as
a
backup
if
you
get
you
know,
occupied
or
involved
with
something
that
someone
else
has
a
need,
and
it
seems
like
a
community
that
you
know,
has
a
higher
need
for
help,
probably
than
other
communities
that
one
just
you
know
kind
of
shocks
me
as
being
adequate.
How
would
you
respond
to
that.
R
Totally
understandable
and
so
I
currently
also
work
for
a
local
church.
I
run
a
Ministry
called
Summit,
which
is
a
special
needs
Ministry
and
it's
kind
of
ran
the
same
way.
Although
I
am
the
one
staff
member
that's
employed
through
the
church,
I
do
have
leaders
and
so
I'm
walking
away
from
the
microphone.
We
do
have
individuals
that
come
that
need
a
caregiver
and
those
caregivers
are
responsible
for
that
individual.
R
So,
although
my
presence
is
there,
The
Happening
isn't
basically
responsible
for
the
supervision,
and
this
is
very
it's
acknowledged
on
the
websites
very
clear
to
the
web.
You
know
to
the
families
that
The
Happening
isn't
responsible
for
supervision.
The
individuals
that
are
coming
by
themselves
are
high
functioning,
have
jobs,
money
live
on
their
own
and
don't
require
that
one-on-one
attention,
and
so
the
individuals
that
would
require
do
and
will
be
accompanied
by
a
care
provider.
So,
although
it
is
just
me,
I
will
have
those
outsourced
care
providers
there.
B
R
K
R
R
How
it's
going
to
be
ran
is
we're
going
to
be
having
classes
once
members
sign
up,
they
will
be
booking
classes.
Like
David
stated
we
have
that
occupancy
requirement
that
condition.
So
once
we
meet
that
requirement
once
family's
book
that
that
class
it
will
fill
up
so
no
longer
any
no
other
families
can
apply
or
join
that
class.
So
so,
yes,
so
we'll
have
three
classes
throughout
the
day.
R
So,
although
the
hours
are
opening
from
nine
to
or
ten
to
nine,
we
won't
necessarily
be
present
in
having
active
classes
that
entire
period
it'll
be
broken
down
into
almost
like
gym
classes.
How
gyms
run
it
where
there's
classes
a
three
it'll
be
three
hour
sessions,
so
right
now
to
start
off,
we
gave
it
a
very
broad
time
period
because
I'm
developing
a
census,
so
once
families
start
up,
you
know
I'll
be
able
to
see
basically
what
time
periods
people
are
coming
and
time
frames.
R
Insurance
also
just
basically
just
the
the
way
I
want
to
run
it
just
from
safety
wise
to
keeping
an
eye
on
everything
and
just
to
keep
everything
in
coordinates
to
you
know
how
I
want
it
to
be
ran.
I
wanted
to
have
it
be
a
fun
space
where
you
know,
there's
gonna
be
a
lot
of
activities,
it'll
be
ping-pong,
pool
tables,
and
if
there's
more
than
that,
there
will
be
a
line
for
ping
pong
or
a
line
to
play.
R
R
L
AE
AE
AE
Correct
that
includes
the
three
Parcels
that
were
shown
in
the
vicinity
map
at
the
beginning
of
the
presentation.
AE
L
L
AE
Yes,
the
this
is
a
fair
question
and
we
staff
under
understand
the
concern
and
we
actually
went
back
and
forth
with
the
applicant
as
well
with
this,
and
it
was
probably
about
a
three
week
process
to
get
some
answers.
But
we
were
concerned
with
that
that
ratio
they
were
providing,
and
there
were
questions
on
whether
there
was
a
state
requirement
that
would
require
more
Staffing.
We
were
able
to
have
a
call
with
the
Department
of
Social
Services.
AE
It
was
staff,
the
applicant
and
a
few
staff
members
from
the
social
services
department
and
the
applicant
presented.
The
the
business
plan
and
the
social
services
department
confirmed
that
they're
not
required
to
have
any
more
given
that
they're
they're,
not
a
daycare
if
they
clearly
specify
in
their
plan
and
contract
with
these
members
that
they're
not
providing
care
supervision,
they're,
not
responsible
for
them,
and
that
should
be
stated
when,
when
members
sign
up
for
for
this
membership,.
B
AF
You
yeah
I'm
Elizabeth,
Luna
I'm,
the
fiance,
so
I
just
wanted
to
say
that
this
you
know
I
might
be
biased
because
he's
my
fiance
but
I
definitely
will
be
there
all
the
time.
So
it
won't
just
be
him,
but
I
will
be
there
all
the
time,
and
this
is
definitely
a
need
in
the
community
watching
him
and
being
inside
him.
The
whole
time
always
been
running.
AF
The
summit
with
Mountain
View
has
been
amazing
to
see,
and
you
know
he
has
a
true
gift
at
what
he
does
and
so
I
don't
want
to
cry,
but
like
this
is
definitely
like
super
needed
and
I
just
feel,
like
you
know,
seeing
all
the
we
have
80
kids
that
come
to
Summit,
and
this
is
like
one
day
during
the
week
on
every
Thursday
and
it's
only
you
know
an
hour
and
a
half
and
so
giving
them.
AF
So
I
know
it
might
seem
crazy
that
you
know
there's
only
one
or
two
people
being
staff
members
there,
but,
like
you
said,
there's
going
to
be,
you
know
the
ones
that
actually
do
need
the
attention
and
do
need
the
care
they're
going
to
be
coming
with
a
staff
member
like
my
sister,
she
is
epileptic,
and
so
she
would
be
attending
and
we
have
a
you
know:
full-time
staff
member
who
would
be
coming
with
her.
AF
So
you
know
just
because
there's
special
needs
or
have
a
disability
doesn't
mean
that
they're
not
capable
of
making
their
own
decisions
and,
like
he
said,
a
lot
of
them
have
jobs.
A
lot
of
them
will
have
their
own
apartments
and
a
lot
of
them
are
capable
of
making
their
own
decisions.
So
you
know
I,
don't
think
that
Staffing
will
be
an
issue
because
you
know
they're
all
very
capable
of
making
their
own
decisions.
So
that's
all.
Thank
you.
AA
I'm
Gary
Fitzpatrick,
my
wife
and
I,
have
known
Stratton
for
years
and
to
give
you
some
perspective
to
what
will
be
happening
there
most
of
the
adults
that
will
be
coming
to
The,
Happening
have
known
Stratton
for
years
and
years
and
years,
Stratton
worked
for
Kappa
unified
for
years
in
special
ed
and
then
worked
at
a
day
program
that
my
son
attends
and
he
facetimes
these
kids.
He
talks
to
these
kids.
He
answers
theirs
called
their
calls
more
than
we
do.
AA
AA
This
has
been
something
that
we've
wanted
for
years
and
years
and
years,
and
we
fully
support
it
and
in
addition
to
that,
the
parents
come-
and
you
know,
there's
overlap
and
you
know
he's
gonna
have
a
lot
of
presence
there
and
so
much
support.
You
won't
believe
it
it's
it's
a
tremendous
opportunity
for
San
Clemente,
in
my
opinion,
to
be
very,
very
Cutting
Edge
on
something
that
is
really
really
missed.
So
thank
you
for
considering
it.
AG
Hi,
my
name
is
Pam.
Napel
I
was
not
going
to
say
anything.
I
was
coming
just
to
support
these
people
that
I
love,
but
as
I
was
waiting
for
the
first
agenda
item.
My
daughter
called
me
27
times,
she's
a
special
needs,
adult
wondering
how
it
was
going.
AG
She
attends
the
midweek
program
that
they
mentioned
Summit
and
it's
the
highlight
of
her
week.
She
asks
every
single
day
of
tonight
is
Summit
and
I've
said
for
a
long
time.
It
needs
to
be
something
that
happens
more
than
for
an
hour
and
a
half
a
week.
AG
These
adults
don't
have
anything
like
this.
Once
they
get
out
of
the
school
program
in
ADP
the
four
years
after
High
School.
AG
That's
it
that's
the
end
of
it
for
them,
and
this
community
of
young
adults
have
such
a
love
for
one
another,
and
it's
incredible
to
see
all
different
abilities
disabilities
abilities
to
you,
know,
read
or
write.
My
daughter
can't
read
right.
She
can't
tell
time,
but
they
love
and
support
one
another
and
want
to
be
together.
AG
So
for
something
like
this
to
be
offered.
This
is
something
that
I
wish
was
available
in
every
city
in
the
United
States,
because
there
is
a
population
that
has
nothing
outside
of
if
they
work
or
if
they
do
a
day
program,
there's
no
social
connection
for
them
other
than
an
hour
and
a
half
a
week.
So
I
would
encourage
you
to
approve
this
and
allow
this
to
be
an
example
of
what
could
be
available
for
special
needs
adults
across
our
great
country.
AG
B
L
Younger
go
first,
I.
Think
it's
great.
It's
a
needed.
I
agree.
We're
not
going
to
look
for
problems
here,
but
I'm,
familiar
I'm
very
familiar
with
that
location
and
parking
is
already
a
problem
there.
So
you
know
my
maybe
suggestion
might
be.
Is
there
any
way
that
we
can
I
know
it's
shared
parking
but
provide
like
drop
off
I
designate
spaces
for
for
drop
off,
because
there's
no
room
back
there
I
mean
there's
a
I,
don't
even
think
it's
a
24
foot
Drive
aisle
in
the
back
and
it
gets.
L
You
know:
I've
been
it's
10.
It's
10
a.m,
through,
what's
the
hours
again
today,
yeah
I'm
not
concerned
about
the
evening,
but
during
the
day
with
all
the
medical
there's,
just
a
lot
of
people
coming
and
going-
and
you
know
I'd
be
concerned
about
the
safety
of
you
know.
People
do
I
have
a
time
limit.
L
No
I
just
I
did
you
guys
consider
that,
because
there's
no
drop
off
back
there
and
there's
very
little
room,
and
as
you
mentioned,
if
there's
you
know,
parents
that
are
congregating
and
you've
got
the
young
adults
there
as
well.
It
could
get
a
little
dicey
in
the
back,
so
I
don't
know,
that's
just
something
that
I
think
might
be
worth
considering.
I
understand
a
shared
parking
and
there's
an
owner.
I.
Think
that
owns
that
whole
center
right,
I.
L
AE
If
I
may
provide
some
inside
their
commissioner
camp,
we
did
discuss
that
at
the
development
management
team
review
process
and
we
saw
the
potential
effects
to
that.
There's
already
we're
at
234
parking
spaces
for
the
entire
Plaza.
There's
a
parking
supply
of
240,
so
adding
a
pickup
and
drop-up
Zone
would
reduce
the
number
of
parking
spaces.
L
AE
I
believe,
there's
probably
a
few
Stratos
I,
don't
know
if
you
can
confirm
there's
a
few
along
the
the
closest
to
the
the
building
that
are
Green,
Stripe
I.
Believe
that's
a
term
with
the
time
limit.
AF
L
R
Will
be
all
indoor
and
I
one
thing
to
limit
the
the
flow
of
traffic
and
the
drop
off
is
you
know
there
is
like
on
that
diagram
like
two
entrances
to
that
Plaza,
and
so
one
thing
that
we
would
be
happy
to
to
do
is
one
have
signage
on
the
streets
with
entrance
and
exit
to
create
a
flow
of
traffic.
So
really,
you
know
encourage
families
to,
and
it
would
be.
You
know
on
my
end
through
our
website
signups
and
all
that
would
be
more
than
happy
to
provide.
R
You
know
verbiage
to
families,
letting
them
know
that,
although
sorry
Gary,
you
want
to
hang
out
for
20
minutes
that
we,
you
know
due
to
you,
know
nearby
businesses
to
drop
off
walk.
You
know
your
individual,
you
know
your
son
or
daughter,
or
you
know,
whoever
you're
providing
care
for
to
the
happening
and
head
back.
C
C
Just
a
quick
one
on
that
David,
so
they've
got
23.5.
C
Needed
if
they
have
30
percent
of
the
people
within
a
a
person
with
them,
so
that's
about
12
or
13
to
I
only
seems
like
they're
going
to
use
15..
So
if
there's
a
way
staff
can
review
the
parking
level
we
can't
and
Adam.
We
can't
designate
a
private
parking
lot
spaces
and
we
don't
enforce
that
anyway
correct.
D
D
Could
we
could
regulate
that
if
you
make
it
a
condition
of
approval,
I
would
just
say,
From
staff's
perspective
that
it's
difficult
on
a
project
like
this,
because
I
don't
believe
that
the
property
owners
are
here.
There's
multiple
owners
and
a
condition
like
this.
That's
not
understood
as
whether
it
would
be
permitted
by
the
property
owner
may
may
affect
their
ability
to
carry
out
in
a
cup
with
such
a
condition.
What
I
would
say
is
I
believe
that
David
has
a
condition
of
approval
that
we've
we've
applied
to
other
projects.
D
When
these
types
of
issues
have
come
up
from
I
will
say
we
staff's
not
recommending
that
we
include
it
because,
based
on
the
application
and
how
we
anticipate
this
use
going,
we
don't
really
anticipate
a
whole
lot
of
traffic
problems.
Permitted
uses
could
occupy
the
space
and
create
you
know
a
similar
being
a
similar
situation.
However,
we
do
have
a
condition
of
approval
that
talks
about
a
management
plan,
a
parking
management
plan
that
would
be
reviewed
by
staff,
should
there
be
negative
impacts
of
the
use
on
surrounding
Properties
or
tenants
or
other
land
uses
I.
C
B
For
the
record,
I
would
be
too
I.
Think
that's
a
great
idea.
I
would
I
would
think
like
about
three
spaces,
because
people
could
come
in
right
in
front
drop
them
off
and
leave
they're
overparked
based
on
the
numbers,
and
we
know
they're
not
going
to
use
all
of
their.
You
know,
assigned
spaces.
So
I
would
love
to
see
a
condition
like
that
where
the
applicant
attempts
to
work
with
the
landlord
and
get
a
few
spaces
designated
as
temporary
parking
or
whatever.
D
If
I,
if
I,
could
just
clarify
David,
do
you
have
that
condition?
Yes,.
AE
D
I
apologize,
I'll
have
David,
read
this
out.
I
think
this
covers
all
of
the
condition.
The
issues
that
you're
discussing
now
it
gives
staff
the
flexibility
to
work
with
the
applicant
in
the
future.
If
and
when
issues
arise
and
all
of
those
kinds
of
pick
up
and
drop
off,
things
could
be
part
of
this
management
plan
very
good.
AE
Okay,
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
read
it
and
just
to
clarify
part
of
the
staff's
recommendation
is
to
include
this
Condition.
It's
currently
not
in
the
resolution,
so
this
would
be
a
condition
7.27
if
parking
becomes
a
negative
impact
on
surrounding
Properties
or
land
uses,
the
property
owner
or
designee
shall
submit
a
parking
management
plan
to
be
reviewed
and
approved
by
the
community
development
director.
Should
implementation
of
the
parking
management
plan
not
mitigate
the
negative
impact
conditional
use,
permit
22-342
may
be
modified
or
revoked
by
the
Planning
Commission.
D
If
it's
any
consolation
any
business,
that's
not
capable
of
complying
with
conditions
of
approval
that
were
applied
to
a
project
would
be
under
the
same
scenario.
D
So
if
you
apply
conditions
that
they
cannot
uphold,
the
the
options
would
be
that
they
either
don't
agree
to
the
conditions
or
they
try
to
operate
and
not
meet
those
conditions,
and
the
code
is
very
clear
on
the
ramifications
of
that
that
the
potential
revocation
could
occur.
D
That
would
be
our
last
option
and
staff
has
had
a
lot
of
success
with
these
parking
management
plans.
So
I,
that's
not
a
concern.
From
staff's
perspective,
like
I,
said
before,
and
I'll
clarify
what
David
said.
Staff's
recommendation
is
what's
in
the
the
resolution.
That's
before
you,
we
are
supportive
of
including
a
condition
like
this,
but
based
on
our
experience,
working
with
land
uses
and
businesses
of
we
don't.
We
wouldn't
anticipate
that
it's
entirely
necessary.
But
if
you
want
additional
assurances
we're
more
than
happy
to
add
this
condition.
B
My
two
cents
would
be
that
we
don't
have
the
condition
and
just
suggest
to
the
applicant
to
try
and
work
out
with
the
landlord
to
get
some
drop-off
spaces,
because
the
the
applicant
here
is
I
mean
that
would
be
like
the
tail
wagging
the
dog.
Here's
the
little
fish
and
the
big
thing.
It's
really.
The
landlord
who's
got
a.
C
I
agree:
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
staff
knew
that
we
were
comfortable
with
eliminating
a
couple
of
parking
spaces
that
would
be
eliminated
for
just
loading
and
as
long
as
staff
knows
that
we're
we're
good
yeah,
although
for
perpetuity
I,
don't
know
how
we
do
that.
If
there's
changes
in
staff.
B
And
protect
them,
and
I
too
want
to
thank
the
applicant.
This
seems
like
a
fantastic
use.
Much
needed
I
can't
wait
for
it
to
be
open,
so.
K
K
The
business
plan-
okay,.
C
Okay,
I'll
go
ahead
and
make
a
motion
then
that
we
determine
the
project.
Is
capital
categorically
exempt
from
the
requirements
of
SQL
pursuant
to
SQL
guidelines,
section
15
301
and
then
we
adopt
resolution
pc22034,
approving
conditional
permit,
22,
342,
The,
Happening
social
organization,
subject
to
attached
conditions
of
approval
and
I
think
we
determined.
We
were
not
going
to
add
the
7.27
that
David
had
read
to.
O
Ready
there
we
are
good
evening
planning,
Commissioners
chairman
Cannon.
My
name
is
Zach
ponson
I'm,
your
assistant
city,
engineer
from
the
public
works
department.
Tonight
with
me,
we
have
oh,
my
God
Ryan
Kim,
our
senior
traffic
engineer.
Sorry,
it's
been
a
long
night
tonight
in
front
of
you.
We
have
a
traffic
calming
petition
for
the
coast
HOA.
This
will
involve
three
streets
and
we're
combining
them
all
into
one
project
that
we're
after
this.
O
O
The
the
city
has
a
long
history
of
working
with
the
coast
for
for
a
couple
decades
now,
we've
actually
done
several
different
things
in
this
neighborhood
to
help
address
their
their
speeding
concerns
from
the
neighborhood's
perspective.
They
see
a
lot
of
cut
through
traffic
and
they
do
see
some
higher
speeds
and
particularly
on
Kai
Frontera.
O
In
the
past,
this
the
city
has
done
a
lot
of
different
things.
The
HOA
actually
created
a
neighborhood
speed,
Watch
program.
O
We've
increased
police
enforcement
in
the
neighborhood
we've
also
installed
raised
bot
dots
around
radiuses
and
curves
to
try
to
help
control
speed.
We've
done
additional
speed
signs,
speed
limits
of
25
miles
an
hour
added
signs,
we've
removed
center
lines
on
several
of
the
main
streets
and
we've
added
Edge
striping
on
several
of
the
main
streets
we've.
The
city
actually
also
installed
two
different
median
Islands
one
down
in
the
dip
and
then
one
further
up
the
hill
on
Calle
Frontera
that
are
in
the
center
of
the
street.
O
We've
also
added
decorative
pavers
that,
like
a
red
stamped
concrete,
that
kind
of
gives
a
little
bit
of
a
rumble
feel
note.
Ultimately,
the
bot
dots
were
removed
when
you
have
those
right.
Next
to
your
house,
you're
hearing,
you
know:
3
000
cars
a
day,
Rumble
their
ways,
past
your
house.
So
due
to
complaints,
the
HOA
requested
that
those
got
removed
several
years
back
so
part
of
that
traffic
calming
process
we
do
meet
with
the
public.
O
We
looked
at
three
different
petitions
that
came
in
originally,
it
came
in
with
just
Kai
Frontera,
the
lower
section,
a
resident
in
that
neighborhood
gathered
his
signatures,
and
the
city
held
a
public
meeting
in
the
field
on
September
29th,
where
about
50
residents
of
the
neighborhood
and
so
I
believe
a
couple
of
the
HOA
representatives
were
there.
They
showed
up
in
in
that
neighborhood.
They
they
requested.
Several
additional
streets
be
be
looked
at,
those
other
streets
are
Calle,
Juarez
and
Calle
Vallarta
and
staff
included.
O
Those
in
our
analysis
of
the
Kaya
Frontera
traffic,
calming
studies
and
so
I
I
will
add
in
the
staff
report.
I've
added
a
lot
more
details,
so
this
presentation
is
a
little
bit
quicker,
but
the
HOA
at
one
point
during
this
back
and
forth
that
we
have,
with
the
HOA
asked
for
close
to
20,
stop
signs
in
the
neighborhood.
O
We
informed
them
during
this
meeting
that
traffic
calming
doesn't
really
include,
stop
signs
unless
they're
warranted
for
traffic
counts
and
trying
to
enter
streets,
and
so
we
looked
at
one
of
the
more
popular
and
heavily
trafficked
intersections.
Did
a
study
for
them
showed
them
that
it
wouldn't
actually
even
trigger
on
that
heaviest
one.
Therefore,
none
of
their
20
would
actually
qualify,
so
they
dropped
their
request
to
have
us
look
at
all
those
intersections
and
the
HOA
formally
said.
Please
just
look
at
these
three
streets.
O
So
that's
what
we
have
in
front
of
you
tonight,
Calle
Frontera.
In
our
study
we
found
about
3
000
vehicles,
average
daily
traffic
trips
per
day,
with
a
that's
on
the
lower
section
of
Chaya
Vallarta,
where
it's
kind
of
flat
in
between
the
dip
and
the
uphill
section
the
85th
percentile
was
found
to
be
pretty
high
at
36
miles
per
hour,
the
ankai
Juarez,
the
we
had
about
1700
vehicles
per
day
with
a
speed
that
was
between
29
and
30
miles
per
hour
on
Cairo
Vallarta.
O
We
had
a
lot
less
traffic,
we're
600
vehicles
per
day,
but
with
a
little
bit
higher
speeds
of
34
miles
per
hour,
the
when
we
look
at
the
eligibility
of
traffic
calming
we,
we
go
through
a
spreadsheet
and
we
try
to
determine
the
street
score,
we're
looking
for
to
qualify
for
traffic
calming
per
our
traffic.
Our
traffic
control,
our
traffic
calming
policy
and
resource
manual
sets
our
guidelines
for
wind
traffic
calmings
to
take
place,
we're
looking
for
a
score
of
51
on
an
eligible
spreadsheet,
which
I'll
show
you
a
little
bit
later.
O
O
Ryan
thought
it
could
be
a
51,
so
the
report
says
51
but
technically
I
think
it
could
be
a
56.
because
we're
technically
near
the
middle
school
which
has
a
park
and
a
school.
So
therefore
it
could
technically
double
qualify.
O
The
upper
section
of
kind
of
art
excuse
me
back
on
the
lower
section.
It
does
so
with
the
score
of
51,
it
does
qualify
for
traffic
calming
traffic
is
good.
Staff
is
going
to
be
recommending
an
addition
of
two
electronic
speed
feedback
signs
on
that
mid,
the
flat
mid
flat
flat
section
of
Caya
Vallarta.
Excuse
me:
Kaya
Frontera,
the
upper
section
of
Kai
Frontera
did
not
qualify,
received
a
pretty
low
score.
23.
O
staff's,
not
recommending
anything
on
that
section
of
the
street.
The
speed
was
pretty
low
up
there.
The
counts
are
pretty
low
up
there.
It
does
have
that
median
up
there
and
the
rumbled
decorative
pavers,
perhaps,
and
the
steepness
of
the
streets
probably
also
helping
control
speeds.
There
had
a
score
of
45.
Therefore
it
was
below
the
51
trigger
point
of
qualifying
and
even
though
it
didn't
qualify,
staff
is
recommending
a
couple
changes
to
that
street
to
see
if
it'll
help
reduce
some
speeds
there.
O
It's
it
does
see
quite
a
bit
of
cars,
so
1700
cars
obviously
means
there's
getting
some
cut
through
on
that
streak.
There's
only
I'm
guessing
20
or
30
houses
on
the
street,
so
obviously
they're,
not
all
those
houses,
so
kayak
Juarez
we're
recommending
some
yellow
advisory
curve
and
15
mile
an
hour.
Speed
signs
and
enforceable
speed
will
still
be
25
miles
an
hour,
but
we're
hoping
those
signs
will
help
reduce
the
speed
on
that
block.
O
O
Currently
vayarther
does
not
have
Edge
lines,
it
has
center
lines
and
due
to
this
curviness
and
the
steepness
of
the
street,
we're
going
to
recommend
keeping
the
center
lines
actually
sometimes
we'll
remove
those
due
to
the
amount
of
bins
on
Vallarta
we're
going
to
recommend
keeping
those
out
there.
O
This
is
just
a
location
map
of
the
sections
of
the
three
streets.
We
were
kind
of
looking
at
Vallarta
kind
of
has
that
middle
section,
but
also
that
lower
right
section
Juarez
is
the
lower
left.
Little
elbow
and
by
arcter
is
the
upper
Street
up
there
in
your
packet
you'd
be
able
to
read
this
a
little
better.
O
It
has
some
of
those
the
ADT
volumes
and
the
85th
percentile
volumes
of
where,
where
we
were
seeing
the
traffic
so
often
the
questions
we
get
are
you
know
wires,
are
recommendations
for
signage
striping
and
speed
signs,
and
and
not
just
going
straight
to
speed,
bumps
I
quoted
on
our
little.
O
My
presentation
here,
I
didn't
have
it
in
the
in
the
agenda
report,
but
I
put
in
here
a
section
out
of
our
speed,
hump
policy
speed
humps
will
be
considered
after
the
following,
after
following
the
process
of
the
traffic
calming
policy
and
resource
manual
and
after
implementing
other
non-intrusive
tools
for
controlling
speeds,
so
I
emphasize
the
after.
Like
I
said
during
our
study
session,
we
haven't
really
always
gone
through
our
whole
toolbox
before
we've
jumped
to
speed
bumps
and
with
newer
staff.
O
Here
we're
going
to
probably
start
proposing
going
through
that
toolbox
and
following
our
policy
you
as
the
Planning
Commission,
can
always
disagree.
You
can
always
say
hey.
We
just
disagree.
We
think
speed,
humps
or
speed.
Cushions
are
a
better
fit
for
this
area.
So,
as
your
recommendation,
you
can
do
as
you
see
fit.
O
If
you
start
trying
to
put
a
speed
bump
on
a
steep
Street
or
on
a
curve,
we're
going
to
advise
you,
there's
safety
issues
behind
certain
things.
So
if
you
do
disagree
with
staff,
we'll
we'll
respectfully
ask
our
opinion
or
let
us
raise
our
hand
and
express
some
concerns
if
there's
a
safety
issue.
So
so
that's
that
last
sentence
there
of
just
you
know,
can
you
consider
other
things?
Yes,
but
that
Street's
design
is
something
we
need
to
take
into
consideration.
O
These
are
the
worksheets
they're
they're
in
your
agenda
report,
but
in
case
we
needed
to
look
at
them
tonight.
I
just
put
them
in
the
slides,
goes
over
the
scores
from
each
of
these
streets.
O
This
is
the
location
of
where
we're
recommending
the
two
electronic
speed
signs.
We
have
gotten
permission
from
the
four
adjacent
neighbors
to
each
sign
that
have
said,
go
ahead
and
put
it
on
the
street
light
pole
in
front
of
my
house,
because
these
are
signs
that
will
flash
each
time.
Three
thousand
cars
go
by,
so
these
are
the
locations
that
we're
recommending
for
the
speed
signs
on
Frontera
and
so
those
speed
signs.
It
is
just
one
sign
in
each
Direction.
O
O
The
cautionary
The
Advisory
signs
on
Juarez
are
shown
in
these
locations
that
curvy
section
down
lows:
there's
no
houses
on
that
section
or
on
the
North,
the
upper
section
of
the
street.
There
there's
no
houses
on
that
section
of
the
street,
but
we're
recommending
that,
as
you
enter
the
block
you're
going
to
see
a
15
mile
an
hour
and
hopefully
slow
down
before
you
head
into
that
neighborhood
or
that
that
block
excuse
me.
O
This
is
just
the
lower
section
you
can
see
how
Vallarta
has
that
sharp
Bend
almost
a
90
degree
turn
on
that
on
the
top
sheet.
There
people
are
probably
going
pretty
slow
through
there
anyway.
That
Hill
is
actually
pretty
steep,
so
that
Hill,
even
if
it
did
qualify,
isn't
something
we
would
recommend
speed
humps
on
anyway.
O
So
with
that
staff's
available
for
any
questions,
if
you
have
any
and
like
I
said,
we
have
Ryan
Kim
here
for
any
technical
questions
too.
L
O
The
add
addition
of
the
edge
lines
is
something
that
staff's
actually
doing
on
a
lot
of
streets
right
now:
we're
Paving
80
over
80
streets
right
now
and
we're
actually
adding
Edge
lines
where
we
can,
and
so
we're
kind
of
taking
a
proactive
step
going
forward
in
our
street
program.
Lately
with
me
and
my
the
new
staff
that
we
got
here,
we're
going
to
try
to
be
a
little
bit
more
proactive
on
the
edge
lines,
so
Vallarta
is
kind
of
a
no-brainer
for
us
it
doesn't
have
them.
O
It's
got
the
width
enough
to
add
them
next
Paving
cycle,
we'd,
probably
add
them
anyway.
So
we're
going
to
add
them
right
now.
As
part
of
our
recommendation,
the
cautionary
The
Advisory
signs
on
Kaya
Flores,
it's
a
pretty
cheap
alternative
to
potentially
seeing
if
it's
something
that
can
help
them.
You
know
they
are
seeing
a
lot
of
cut
through
traffic.
So
it's
a.
We
have
a
budget
for
adding
signs
to
streets,
and
this
is
something
that's
pretty
affordable.
O
O
You
know
we
did
do
public
noticing
this
we
gave
in
in
due
to
the
large
area
of
it.
We
we
sent
it
to
the
HOA
and
asked
Courtney
to
include
it
in
their
their
mailer,
because
they
don't
have
a
monthly
meeting.
They
didn't
have
something
that
could
so
they
did
the
the
main
applicant
for
Calle
Frontera,
Mr
eckel.
He
was
notified.
He
knows
the
date.
We
did
an
update
the
council
recently
because
this
was
brought
to
council
during
oral
Communications
and
we
gave
an
update,
stating
we
will
be
here
tonight.
O
So
many
of
those
people
attended
that
a
couple
of
people
were
here
earlier:
Mr,
eckel's,
wife,
I'm,
sorry,
I,
apologize,
I
forgot
her
first
name
but
Candice.
O
B
C
I'll
make
a
motion:
okay,
I,
moved
at
the
plan
commission
forward
to
the
city
council,
a
recommendation
to
implement
traffic
coming
measures
on
Kai,
Frontera,
Kaya,
Juarez
and
Kai
Vallarta
per
the
staff
report.
Second,.
B
No
old
business
reports
from
Commissioners
and
staff
did
Mr
ponson
reports
of
Commissioners
and
staff.
Did
you
want
to
tell
us
what's
going
on
with
Kai
Farrell.
O
L
AD
O
Send
her
an
email
tomorrow
saying
it
will
be
coming
to
the
next
meeting.
The
main
petitioner,
oh
I
did
speak.
I
did
speak
with
a
couple
members
of
the
HOA
she's
gonna
probably
want
to
speak
at
that
update,
okay
and
so
I'll
be
bringing
that
forward
on
that
next
meeting.
Okay.
D
No
update
other
than
we
will
have
a
December
20th
December
21st
Planning
Commission
meeting
the
first
Planning
Commission
meeting
after
the
new
year
once
in
a
while
that
one
gets
canceled,
because
it's
very
close
to
the
end
of
the
winter
furlough,
where
the
city
offices
are
closed.
This
is
sort
of
one
of
those
years.
B
B
D
Don't
have
anything
on
the
agenda
right
now,
but
if
the
commission
would
prefer
not
to
host
hold
that
meeting,
we
can
simply
push
things
off
once
in
a
while.
There
is
something
where
an
applicant
would
like
to
get
something
on,
but
if
we
know
that
people
are
still
going
to
be,
you
know
out
of
town
or
on
vacation
mode,
you
can
give
the
direction
to
us.
Just
let
us
know
that
it
would
be
preferable
not
to
hold
that
meeting.