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Next
item
number:
seven:
the
consent
calendar
traffic
calming
update
it's
um
normally,
it
will
be
on
the
consent
calendar,
but
we
have
speaker
cards
and
other
speaker
people
that
would
like
to
speak
on
this
issue
tonight.
So
um
we'll
just
have
the
item
now
not
on
the
consent
calendar.
Is
that
correct.
C
A
D
F
A
G
Good
evening
Zach,
ponson
assistant
city
engineer
tonight
with
me,
I
have
Ryan
Kim
our
senior
civil
engineer,
slash
traffic
engineer
tonight,
we're
here
to
provide
an
update
on
the
Camino
Faro
topic
that
came
from
before
you
um
about
two
months
ago
and,
as
you
recall,
Planning
Commission
directed
staff
to
report
back
after
meeting
with
the
HOA
to
see
if
we
can
find
any
other
additional
Alternatives.
So
I
don't
have
a
presentation.
G
We
also
had
another
meeting
with
three
members
of
the
HOA
board
and
a
couple
different
other
members
of
the
neighborhood,
including
the
main
petitioner,
and
so
on,
Monday.
We
we
followed
up
with
the
third
meeting
or
an
additional
meeting
and
talked
about
some
of
the
Alternatives
and,
in
conclusion,
staff
is
still
recommending
the
caution,
advisory,
yellow
15
mile
an
hour
signs
in
both
the
uphill
and
downhill
Direction,
and
also
at
curved
sides
in
the
uphill
and
downhill
Direction.
G
The
HOA
board,
and
the
residents
also
asked
if
we
can
increase
police
activity
in
the
area.
Staff
has
no
problem
asking
for.
For
that
to
happen.
There
was
a
renewed
discussions
about
whether
or
not
speed
bumps
can
come
in.
Can
the
street
be
made
one
way,
can
there
be
a
cul-de-sac
and,
as
you
can
see
in
my
staff
report,
a
lot
of
those
alternatives
are
just
simply
uh
that's
not
going
to
be
recommending
any
of
those
for
the
situation.
G
Just
as
a
reminder,
this
street
did
not
qualify
for
traffic
calming
the
street
has
grades
that
range
from
five
percent
up
to
almost
11
percent
and
per
industry
standard
and
traffic
calmings.
The
city's
adopted
traffic
calming
policy.
We
don't
put
speed
cushions
on
streets
above
five
percent,
so
with
that
staff's
available
for
questions,
if
you
have
any.
D
G
um
A
lot
we
did
get
a
lot
of
email
Communications
from
this
and
um
in
regards
to
the
speed
bumps
I'm
going
to
stick
with
the
street
is
simply
just
too
steep
to
put
in
speed
bumps
in
regards
to
the
line
of
sight.
I'm
sorry
I
didn't
bring
that
up.
You
guys
had
asked
about
that
too.
On
the
previous
one,
staff
is
still
investigating
that
we
will
be
looking
at
each
and
every
intersection
out
there
during
that
field.
Meeting
with
the
HOA
members,
you
know
there
definitely
is
going
to
be
some
concerns.
G
It's
pretty
obvious
that
there's
going
to
be
increased
red
curbing
out
there
for
line
of
sight.
Some
of
these
streets
definitely
need
it
and
we
will
probably
be
coming
back
in
uh
we'll.
Probably
look
at
the
first
meeting
of
February
likely
it's
a
tentative
date
to
where
we'll
be
bringing
back
some
red,
curb
recommendations.
That'll
have
to
come
to
Planning,
Commission
and
then
city
council.
G
F
H
F
F
Besides,
finding
it
difficult
to
pull
out
without
poor
line
of
sight,
because
the
cars
are
there,
I
experienced
a
lot
of
tailgating
on
I
was
going
20
miles
an
hour,
maybe
25
at
the
most
and
residents
that
live
in.
That
Community
will
come
right
up
on
me
and
then
they
turn
on
their
Street,
which
tells
me
it's
not
necessarily
commuters.
F
Has
the
HOA
done
proactive
communication
to
their
Community
to
say,
hey
neighbor,
we
all
live
here,
we're
all
concerned
about
the
traffic
and
the
speeds.
Can
we
all
keep
it
down?
Have
they
done
proactive
education
Outreach
in
the
letters
that
we
got?
The
the
strings
that
were
being
pulled
were
safety,
there's
going
to
be
an
accident.
F
G
G
F
um
I
saw
that
in
your
presentation
last
night,
I
wasn't
exactly
sure
what
that
was.
But
to
me
it's
it's,
this
is
you
know
for
all
some
of
us
who
have
been
around
on
these
commissions
and
so
forth.
This
is
a
constant
issue
in
every
city.
It's
not
unique.
It's
not
special!
We
all
that
we
see
this
all
the
time.
G
Correct
and
those
advisory
signs
I,
you
know,
I
feel
they
are
impactful
and
when
you're
in
a
curvy
Road-
and
you
see
a
sign
up
there
and
it's
telling
you
you
got
to
curve
ahead,
it's
telling
you
to
slow
down
yeah
and
and
it
works
for
me
and
it
works.
For
you
know
most
the
people
I'm
driving
with
for.
H
G
The
the
lower
section
closest
to
Frontera
has
several
hundred
feet
where
it
ranges
from
five
percent
to
that
six
percent.
That
distance,
as
I
mentioned
in
the
staff
report,
I,
don't
think,
is
good
enough
to
put
in
one
single
hump
it'd
almost
be
right
near
the
stop
sign,
okay,
and
so
you
effectively,
especially
on
the
downhill
people,
they're
already
approaching
a
stop
sign
at
that
point.
G
They
really
shouldn't
be
speeding
at
that
point,
and
so
the
effectiveness
of
putting
a
single
hump
at
that
very
low
end
of
the
community,
I,
just
don't
think,
will
will
have
an
impact
if
there
is
ongoing,
cut
through
traffic
who's
familiar
with
the
area
and
doing
it
on
a
daily
basis.
They
would
soon
learn
after
the
first
trip
that
there's
only
one
hump
and
then
going
up.
The
hill
would
would
continue
to
their
normal
practice,
since
it
would
have
to
be
pretty.
G
It'd
have
to
be
located
pretty
close
to
that
intersection,
and
what
we
have
to
do
is
we
have
to
notice
the
street
that
it's
25
miles
an
hour
as
you're
on
a
street
at
the
beginning,
and
then,
when
there's
a
hump,
you
actually
have
to
give
advanced
warning
before
that
that
now
there's
a
speed
bump
ahead,
15.,
and
so
there
has
to
be
certain
distances
between
that
25
miles
an
hour
and
that
15
miles
an
hour
and
then
the
actual
cushion
itself.
And
so
you
know
you
could
we
try
to
squeeze
one
in?
F
G
Think
we
had
it
for
the
most
the
entire
length
and
and
a
lot
of
focus
being
on.
You
know
that
cut
through
traffic,
that's
coming
through
the
neighborhood,
and
um
you
know
ultimately
it's
hard
to
see
both
ends
of
the
street
at
the
same
time.
So
you
can't
really
monitor
that
cut
through
traffic
unless
you're
following
and
driving
them
yeah
with
them
to
see
it,
because
unless
you
have
two
people
on
walkie-talkies,
you
really
almost
can't
monitor
both
ends.
G
At
the
same
time,
yeah
during
my
I've
been
out
there-
probably
a
good
four
to
five
hours
now
on
different
meetings
and
my
own
self
trips,
uh
most
the
people
I'm
seeing
driving
in
there
are
the
people
in
that
residential
that
neighborhood
per
our
data.
What
we
got
and
measuring
for
over
a
week,
our
average
daily
trips
or
about
1100
Vehicles,
there's
about
230
homes
in
this
neighborhood.
G
If
each
home
has
as
two
cars
they're
taking
one
trip
a
day,
that's
a
thousand
trips,
so
you
probably
got
close
to
a
thousand
people
in
this
neighborhood
taking
using
most
these
trips,
so
we're
not
seeing
in
theory
a
huge
number
of
cut
through
traffics.
If
there
are
some-
and
so
that
was
something
I
did
Express
at
that
latest
meeting
and
one
other
thing
I'll
bring
up
at
that
meeting,
both
meetings
we
talked
about
the
HOA
did
ask
about:
can
we
install
electronic
speed
signs
or
could
we
qualify
for
it?
G
As
we've
mentioned,
the
street
itself
didn't
qualify
for
traffic
calming
so
staff
won't
recommend
spending,
City
funds
on
a
traffic
calming
sign
or
the
electronic
feedback
sign.
We
did
offer
the
HOA
if
they
would
like
to
purchase
one
um
they
can
and
they
can
use
our
city
light
poles
to
do
so
with
an
encroachment
permit
that
is
on
and
they
just
have
to
maintain
that
portion
of
the
sign.
G
If,
for
some
reason
the
poll
gets
hit
and
damaged,
and
so
there
was
some
talk
from
the
board
members
of
how
much
an
assessment
would
be
of
40
or
50
dollars
per
household
to
to
fund
their
own
side
and
then
I
don't
know
the
outcome
of
that.
Obviously,
because
I
would
take
their
Board
hearing
and
a
huge
change
for
them,
but
that
was
something
that
was
talked
about
quite
a
bit
too.
G
uh
We
we
have
not
sent
the
sheriff
out
to
this
particular
area
um
if
we
can,
as
if
that's
one
of
the
recommendations
to
increase
activity
in
the
area,
that's
often
what
we'll
do
if
we
do
a
traffic
calming
measure,
uh
if
you
did
watch
last
night's
cave
Frontera
in
the
coast
since
fried
and
Tara
qualified,
we
notified
the
police
of
the
results
of
that
study.
They
increased
their
activity
and
they
did
cite
a
lot
of
people
on
Calle
Frontera,
this
street
not
being
qualified.
We
haven't
pushed
that
direction
out
there.
E
G
um
Ultimately,
I
would
like
to
see
that
come
as
an
HOA
request,
because
you're
now
putting
dots
and
Rumble
noise
issues
in
front
of
somebody's
house
that
are
going
to
get
1100
Vehicles
a
day
traveling
over
and
making
a
noise
issue.
So
on
Frontera,
the
city
put
in
some
some
bot
dots
and
lower
dots.
Ultimately,
I
ended
up
removing
them
due
to
noise
complaints,
and
so
we
don't
and
and
nowadays
too,
with
the
the
bike
traffic
that
we're
getting
especially
that
increased
speed
of
bike
traffic
I'm.
A
A
To
qualify,
51.,
okay:
um
is
there
anything
else?
My
generic
question
that
I'd
written
was:
how
did
the
meeting
go?
You've
kind
of
partially
this
most
recent
meeting
with
the
HOA
several
members
you
and
you've
talked
about
several
things
you
discussed
was
there
anything
else
kind
of
that
came
out
of
that
meeting.
Just.
G
The
right-of-way
on
that
street
is
only
52
feet
wide
that
we
own
you
physically,
can't
put
a
cul-de-sac
in
that
distance
and
so
one-way
streets,
we're
simply
not
just
going
to
put
bollards
up
at
one
end
and
hope
nobody
crashes
into
them
to
do
it.
To
do
it
right
is
to
put
a
curb
close
it
down.
Do
it
with
a
real
turnaround
properly
and
not
just
put
up
Ballers
that
people
will
drive
through
or
even
delineators
that
people
just
drive
over
over
time.
It's
just
not
something
staff
will.
A
Recommend
got
it
okay.
Thank
you.
I
have
no
further
questions.
Everyone
else,
good.
Okay,
with
that,
we
would
love
to
hear
from
the
public
I
see
we
have
speaker
cards
um
you'll
have
three
minutes
of
time.
uh
Each
the
pay
attention
to
the
lights
when
it
goes,
yellow
I
think
you
have
like
30
seconds
remaining
or
you
might
want
to
set
a
little
stopwatch
if
you're
worried
about
going
over
in
your
time,
because
we
will
stop
you
at
three
minutes.
J
Good
evening,
I
informed
the
neighborhood
about
Zach's
plan
to
increase
red
curbs
for
line
of
sight
issues
and
added
signage
to
slow
Vehicles
down
in
response,
I
received
a
plethora
of
emails
and
disbelief
that
that
would
be
the
answer
for
slowing
Vehicles
down.
You
may
have
received
these
and,
if
not,
I,
have
printed
them
here.
If
you
guys
want
to
take
a
look
at
them
in
response
to
his
plan,
we
would
appreciate
the
added
red
curb
to
assist
in
the
line
of
sight
issue
for
these
residents.
J
However,
with
added
red
curbs,
this
will
decrease
the
amount
of
space
for
parking
for
the
neighborhood.
With
that
being
said,
in
agreeance
with
the
red
curb,
we
would
like
to
propose
City
permit
parking
for
New
Providence
residents
only
on
Camino
Faro.
This
would
decrease
the
amount
of
people
parking
on
Camino
Faro
from
Highland
light
and
from
the
apartments
on
Frontera.
J
Cars
will
slow
down
the
average
due
to
turning
in
and
out
of
their
streets
with
that
being
said,
being
so
close
to
the
number
of
51
and
having
82
percent
of
the
residents
in
agreeance
that
there
should
be
more
than
just
a
sign
posted
to
slow
traffic
down
when
in
the
traffic
calming
category,
the
city
would
then
be
responsible
for
purchasing
a
sign
that
flashes
slow
down
while
saying
a
car's
speed.
This
would
be
much
more
effective
than
just
a
regular
sign.
Personally.
I
do
not
believe
that
this
is
the
answer.
J
However,
it
may
be
a
small
step
in
the
right
direction.
I
understand
the
city
believes
that
Camino
Faro
is
too
steep
for
Speed
pumps,
but
this
neighborhood
needs
to
slow
the
cars
down.
Therefore,
I
propose
making
Camino
Faro
a
one-way,
Street
I
understand
this
would
widen
the
road.
However,
using
that
space
and
adding
a
bike
lane
on
one
side
would
then
narrow
the
road
leading
to
slower
speeds
going
up
the
hill.
J
This
would
not
only
make
it
safer
for
pedestrians
to
cross
the
road
cars
to
turn
out
of
their
streets,
but
it
would
also
minimize
the
cars
cutting
through
to
Cali
Frontera
from
Hermosa
I
understand.
We
cannot
have
it
all
and
there
are
budgets,
but
I
do
believe
this
would
be
the
most
cost
effective
option
with
the
most
impact.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
A
J
K
A
C
F
L
A
M
Good
evening,
good
evening,
everyone
that's
my
daughter.
My
wife
want
to
start
by
taking
the
time
to
address
some
of
the
things
that
zoc
brought
up
regarding
the
engineering
of
the
street
and
I.
Just
have
some
questions.
um
We're
talking
about
the
grade
of
the
street
and
this
Warrior
of
speed,
humps
I
just
was
curious.
How
many
speed
humps
accidents?
M
We
don't
know
how
many
accidents
have
been
caused
by
speed
humps.
Do
we
so
we're
worried
about
11
grade
and
speed,
humps
and
we're
saying
no
to
the
speed
bumps
and
we're
talking
about
signage
Sir,
Mr
Cosgrove,
you
drove
the
street.
What
was
the
residential
speed
limit
posted
for
our
street
on
Camino
Faro?
M
M
Okay,
I
can
assure
you
it
doesn't
people,
don't
people
speed
down,
not
because
it's
a
hill,
Cali
Frontera
is
already
for
traffic
calming
measures
and
guess
what
Frontera
and
Hermosa.
Besides
the
light
right
there
that
is
inundated
with
traffic.
There's
a
street
that
ties
him.
It's
Camino
Faro
the
residential
neighborhood
encompassed
around
it.
M
M
I
don't
need
to
tell
you
what
I
do
you
can
probably
already
assume
what
I
do
for
a
living,
but
I've
been
on
these
calls.
I've
resuscitated
these
kids
and
I
failed
to
bring
them
back
to
life
it's
ugly
and
if
you
guys
are
going
to
be
the
ones
that
go
tell
the
parents
that
you
were
informed
that
you
could
have
done
something-
and
you
didn't
I
hope
you're
there
for
that,
because
it's
not
a
good
conversation
to
tell
the
parent
that
their
kid
is
dead
because
they
got
hit
by
a
car.
M
It's
already
been
brought
to
your
attention
that
it's
a
hazard,
so
you
can
put
on
the
HOA.
The
HOA
can
put
it
back
on
you,
but
in
the
meantime
the
residents
pay
the
price
for
it
and
ultimately,
a
kid
gets
killed
by
a
car
every
day.
So
it's
not
a
matter
of
if
it's
a
matter
of
when
so
this
finger,
pointing
that
we're
doing
when
it
comes
time
who
do
you
think
they're
going
to
come
for
now
that
you
guys
have
the
information
now
that
you
guys
have
been
informed?
M
N
Hi,
my
name
is
Nancy
Stoll.
Thank
you
for
hearing
me.
I
live
on
Kamina
ankla,
which
is
the
street
just
before
Frontera,
so
that's
the
absolute
they
are
flying
by
the
time
they
hit
my
street
so
to
be
able
not
be
hit
by
a
car
to
walk
my
dog.
We
go
two
blocks
up
and
I
try
to
cross
over,
because
that
is
where
the
uh
dog
receptacle
is
and
to
get
the
bags.
N
So,
as
we
cross,
I
mean
I,
look
both
ways,
we're
careful
and
the
next
thing
you
know
someone
flies
around
that
corner
and
I.
Don't
know
how
many
times
I'm
looking
at
the
headlights
right
at
my
face
and
they're
like
just
get
out
of
the
way
and
I'm
not
happy
about
that.
You
know:
I
I
shouldn't
have
to
be
so
afraid
to
walk
in
our
neighborhood,
so
there
have
been
many
accidents
and
many
other
things.
N
We
need
to
calm
it
down,
I
mean
I,
have
flagged
people
down
to
slow
down
and,
of
course,
you
know
give
me
the
finger
whatever,
but
I
want
to
do
something
to
slow
that
down,
because,
yes
I'm
afraid
either
it's
a
child
adult
it
could
be
an
older
person
or
someone
like
me,
who's
middle
age
and
just
walking
their
dog
and
gets
hit
by
a
car.
So
anyways,
that's
what
I
wanted
to
say.
Thank
you
very
much.
O
O
Honking
and
we've
had
our
car
hit
on
Camino
Faro
before
uh
at
night,
and
it
was
my
son's
brand
new
car.
Unfortunately,
he
made
his
first
payment
and
it
got
totaled
um
and
then
we've
also
had
our
car
stolen.
Just
recently,
in
the
past
month,
we've
had
her
crushed
stolen
off
that
street,
so
um
I'm
agreeing
with
Chloe
I
like
the
idea
of
the
one
way
it
sounds
like
the
speed.
Humps
are
not
viable.
O
However,
I
do
think
a
speed
hump
prior
to
getting
to
Camino
Uncle
going
down
the
hill
would
help,
because
the
length
of
our
house
is
not
very
long,
but
those
cars
are
flying
to
that
stop
sign.
They
really
are
going
fast
and,
like
Nancy
said
she
has
to
walk
up
the
street
because
Crossing
there
is
very
dangerous.
I
have
16
year
old,
daughter,
starting
to
drive
and
I.
Don't
even
want
her
walking
across
the
street
to
our
car
out
there.
So
um
a
one-way
Street
would
be
great,
and
that's
my
two
cents.
P
I
I
appreciate
what
Zach
has
done
and
I
get
his
points
and
I.
Think
they're,
probably
well,
founded
I've
lived
in
this
neighborhood
since
1990,
and
we
have
seen
reductions
in
speeds
and
stuff
like
that.
But
there
are
still
problems.
We've
seen
the
increase
in
the
city
of
the
kids
on
e-bikes
and
all
that
sort
of
thing,
so
they're
zipping
down
the
street
to
there's
a
lot
of
issues
on
the
street.
P
The
sight
line
thing
I
think
is
a
great
fix,
but
foreign
those
houses
are
small
and
people
have
stuff
in
their
garages,
there's
no
place
for
their
cars
and
there's
usually
three
cars
per
household.
So
a
lot
of
our
neighbors
Park
on
that
street.
The
apartments
are
overloaded.
How
many
people
they
pack
in
those
apartments
they're
parking
on
our
street
Highland
like
they
can't
park
on
their
streets.
We
can't
park
on
our
streets.
We
have
to
park
on
a
public
Street
on
Faro.
P
So
if
you
reduce
I
mean
increase
the
red
curbs,
we
have
less
parking
for
ourselves,
so
I'm
not
so
inclined
to
want
a
one-way
Street,
I,
don't
know
if
that's
really
going
to
be
effective.
I
think
I
want
to
talk
to
the
HOA
myself
about
some
of
these
flashing
lights.
I
think
that's
a
reasonable
expectation.
What
maybe
we
can
do
in
our
part,
even
though
it
is
a
city
street,
not
an
HOA
Street
but
I.
P
I
Good
evening,
let's
see
I
was
one
of
the
board
members
that
met
with
staff
on
site
and
um
I.
Guess
we
acknowledge
that
um
what
we
would
like
we're
not
going
to
necessarily
be
able
to
get,
which
would
be
the
speed
bumps
because
of
a
liability
issue,
but
one
of
the
suggestions
he
came
up
with
besides
the
line
of
sight,
which
is
absolutely
necessary,
but
that
doesn't
necessarily
necessarily
slow
people
down
it
just
makes
it
safer
for
the
people.
I
um
So
all
the
neighbors
would
get
the
idea
they
have
to
go.
Slow
they'll,
probably
run
the
board
out
of
town
after
everybody
gets
the
tickets,
but
it
would
once
they
start
complaining
to
each
neighbor
that
boy,
you
know,
I
can't
afford
these
tickets
that
might
help
slow
people
down
beyond
that,
because
that
looks
like
a
first
phase
kind
of
an
idea.
I
One
possible
idea
that
had
not
come
up
the
other
day
that
one
of
the
neighbors
suggested
to
us.
He
said
you
know
there's
some
of
those
communities
where
they
have
like
a
striped
hash,
almost
like
a
crosswalk
across
the
street
on
their
speed
bumps,
and
they
had
seen
uh
situations
where
they
did
just
the
stripes
but
didn't
have
a
speed
bump
and
it
made
people
think
there
was
a
speed
bump
and
it
might
slow
folks
down.
I
I,
don't
know
if
that's
an
issue
or
not
when
I
asked
him
about
whether
or
not
the
flashing
signs
is
there.
Are
there
any
studies
that
really
create
a
body
of
evidence
that
they
actually
were?
Staff
mentioned
that
actually
there
are
those
things
and
people
do
get
the
idea
to
slow
down
and
we
as
a
board
if
the
city
can't
afford
it.
We
may
look
at
that
ourselves.
I
A
A
Okay,
thank
you.
um
We
all
understand.
This
is
a
very
passionate
issue.
By
the
way
um
I
have
a
couple
questions
follow-on
questions.
There
was
I
heard
a
couple
requests
for
permit
parking
to
try
and
thin
the
parking
out
there
is
that
is
that
an
option
available
to
Residents.
They
just
have
to
approach
you
guys
with
an
application
or
something
there.
G
Is
an
application
for
it?
We
don't
get
too
many.
We
only
have
a
couple
in
the
entire
city:
um
I
can
get
with
the
HOA.
It
would
be
something
that
I
would
want
the
HOA
to
formally
adopt
and
approach
the
city
with
I'd
like
to
do
the
line
of
sight
study
first
to
see
how
much
it's
truly
affecting
the
area,
so
those
things
could
potentially
go
hand
in
hand.
G
If
that's
the
direction
we
want
to
go,
they
can
always
approach
the
city
and
ask
it's
a
matter
of
Staff
resources
of
how
soon
we
can
get
to
those
types
of
things
with
a
permit
parking
system
like
that,
we
would
be
notifying
the
surrounding
neighborhoods
and
HOAs.
This
is
a
public
street,
so
they
have
a
right
to
to
comment
on
that
too,
and
so
that
is,
that
would
be
something
there
is
a
process
to
it.
G
G
We
did
have
a
brief
conversation
about
that
in
the
field
and
and
it's
something
I
would
like
to
see
their
their
HOA.
Do
it
be
the
formal
applicant
of
as
a
formal
adopted
thing
that
they're
asking
for,
um
because
that
is
a
pretty
big
step
and
I'd
rather
not
divide
a
community
on
it
too,
though,
um
one
of
the
issues
I
brought
up
with
the
HOA,
if
they
do
do
that,
we're
probably
going
to
ask
that
question
of.
Can
they
open
up
their
streets
at
night
nighttime
parking?
G
Also,
though,
and
so
if
there
are,
it-
is
a
crowded
neighborhood,
where
their
Drive
approaches
are
very
close
to
each
other.
But
there
are
cars
parked
there
during
the
day.
We
would
probably
ask
that
question
of
why
can't
they
park
at
night
so
with
they
are
going
to
ask
for
due
to
the
loss
of
parking
on
Farrow.
Why
can't
the
HOA
also
increase
their
own
parking
on
their
private
streets?
Okay,.
A
G
The
way
we
put
it
is,
let's
do
the
line
of
sight
study
come
back
to
the
Planning
Commission
with
that
red.
Curbing
recommendation
well
likely
be
early
February
then
we'll
know
how
much
it
is.
We
can
do
some
preliminary
talks
with
the
HOA
or
a
primary
petitioner
or
something
from
the
community
about
what
the
process
is
for
it,
and
so
we
can
get.
We
can
get
a
head
start
on
that
Community
permit.
You
know
that
private
parking
issue.
We
definitely
do
need
to
look
at
that
line
of
sight
study.
G
G
G
G
F
G
F
F
F
G
G
If
it's
repeat
people
cutting
through
and
similar
to
the
single
speed
bump
idea
once
you've
driven
it
once,
you
know,
there's
nothing
else
after
that
yeah
at
least
with
radar
signs
and
even
temporary
signs.
A
lot
of
people
have
that
perception
that
there's
a
police
officer
watching
that
sign
and
ready
to
go,
but
if
we
do
increase
the
presence
of
the
temporary
trailer
I'd,
like
it
not
be
said
at
a
certain
time
frame,
just
that
we
increase
the
frequency
of
putting
it.
F
F
F
K
F
That's
here
think
about
a
committee,
a
safe
traffic
in
our
neighborhood
committee
of
volunteers
that
live
there
that
can
periodically
post
notes
on
people's
homes
and
put
the
leaflets
out
that
we
have
this
committee.
This
is
our
concern.
This
is
our
charge.
This
is
what
we're
going
to
be
doing
and
update
the
community
and
make
it
such
that
the
awareness
level
goes
up
so
that
the
way
you
all
feel
tonight,
everyone
in
your
community
would
be
feeling
as
well,
so
I
would
I
would
uh
having
come
from
other
communities.
F
We've
were
that
what
that
that
was
something
we
did
and
it
was
very
effective
and
we
had
an
acronym
of
something
about.
You
know
again
unsafe
traffic
in
our
neighborhood
or
something
of
that
degree,
and
we
did
periodic
leaflets
that
defined
it.
Excessive
speeds
that
kind
of
thing
to
just
constantly
remind
our
neighbors
that
we're
all
living
here
together.
F
We
need
to
be
responsible
drivers,
so
that
would
be
like
rather
get
a
suggestion
right
and
then
maybe
we
could
come
back
and
with
an
agendized
item
where
we
could
actually
take
an
action
and
we
could
look
at
the
speed
signs
based
on
how
we
did
with
the
trailer.
We
could
look
at
um
other
Notions
that
you
know
come
forward,
maybe
from
this
committee,
uh
and
then
we
could
just
keep
going
until
we
get
this
dialed
in.
G
And
if
I
could
add
to
that,
maybe
it
helps
what
I've
often
told
communities
is,
even
though
you
may
not
qualify
now
we,
you
can
always
petition
for
us
again.
um
I
I,
obviously
don't
have
Staffing
to
constantly
be
looking
at
the
same
community
over
and
over
again
every
month.
But
you
know
we
often
look
at
things
in
a
season
and
say
maybe
next
season
when
we
do
this
you'll,
maybe
it
does
qualify
and
similar
to
last
night.
G
If
you
did
watch
it,
we
go
through
our
manual
and
we're
going
through
those
steps
and
that's
what
we're
educating
the
community
about
a
lot
of
times.
It
is
increased
police
presence,
putting
the
signs
out.
So
all
these
are
actually
listed
in
our
manual
and
it
kind
of
escalates
to
that
point
where
that
end
result
is
speed,
cushions
type
of
thing
and
so
on.
Frontera,
that's
why
I
ended
up
with
electronic
speed
signs
instead
of
speed
bumps
and
that's
what
ended
up
getting
approved
on
that
street
that
qualified.
G
If
that
doesn't
work,
they
can
come
to
us
again
and
say
six
months
a
year
and
say
hey
this:
isn't
working?
Can
you
come
back
out
and
reconsider
that
next
step,
that's
no
different
from
people
who
qualify
or
the
streets
that
don't
we're
always
wanting
to
come
back
out
there
and
you
know,
do
what
we
can
staff
time
permitting?
Obviously,
because
we
do
get
a
lot
of
requests
just
yesterday.
Another
one
came
in
you
know.
So
every
week
is
another
kind
of
group
of
you
know
citizens,
and
this
isn't
unique
to
any
particular
area.
F
Yeah
I
just
wanted
to
put
out
the
notion
that
some
problems
require
iteration
right
and
so
I
wanted
to.
Let
the
community
members
that
are
here
tonight
know
we're
willing
to
iterate
with
you
until
this
gets
to
the
point
where
you
feel
it's,
it's
improved
enough
and
we're
in
us
with
you.
This
is
not
something
that
we're
just
trying
to
move
off
our
plate,
uh
so
we
just
need
to
work
through
the
process,
and
maybe
you
can
look
at
the
you
know
after
you
do
these
things
maybe
include
looking
at
the
enfor.
F
You
know
selective
enforcement
see
how
that
works.
Try
it,
you
know,
ask
them
to
try
it
for
a
week,
see
how
that
works,
and
it
would
be
nice
if
they
did
have
that
committee,
because
then
that
committee
could
get
some
of
those
results
and
put
it
out
to
the
community
hey.
This
is
what
we
found
out.
You
know
that
type
of
thing
that
continual
feedback
loop
is
enormously
effective.
D
uh
We're
in
discussion,
correct,
yeah,
okay,
um
I,
totally
understand
the
frustration
and
the
fear
this
problem
generates,
but
we're
here
kind
of
analyzing
what
staff
is
summarized
for
us.
The
experts
came
up
with
the
manuals
they're,
basing
the
decisions
on
and
from
what
our
Traffic
Engineers
saying.
D
The
speed
bumps
potentially
could
cause
more
Danger
than
we
currently
have,
and
that's
not
a
risk.
I
want
to
take
being
I
got
to
trust
the
experts
on
That
We're,
Not
Gonna
go
against,
or
at
least
I'm
not
going
to
go
against
that,
but
I
certainly
support
the
um
Zach.
If
you
are
considering
um
and
I
think
it
has
to
would
have
to
go
to
council.
To
get
some
additional
policing
on
the
street
is
that
the
process.
D
Feel
that
might
be
better
than
just
counting
the
cars
and
whatnot
what
they
find
out
and
see
and
can
ticket,
and
uh
um
that
will
certainly
uh
I
think
be
in
the
minds
of
your
co-residents
in
the
neighborhood
that
hey
um
we're
all
in
this
together.
Let's
get
the
speed
down
but
um
I'm,
assuming
uh
we
direct
staff
to
um
implement
the
phases
that
they're
showing
now
but
I'd,
also
like
to
encourage
getting
additional
um
policing
on
the
street.
If
we
can
get
it.
G
And
I
think
we
can
make
that
recommendation
without
technically
a
finding
or
an
action.
So
we've
point
taken
it's
due
to
the
number
of
complaints
we
we've.
We've
asked
for
that.
Just
on
complaint
spaces
too.
If
we
just
start
seeing
a
wave
of
complaints
without
a
formal
study,
we
can
ask
the
police
to
increase
their
presence
as
long
as
it's
not
set
in
a
hey.
We
want
you
out
there
every
Monday,
that's
where
it
starts
getting
Troublesome,
because
they
have
duties
that
they
need
to
spread
out
over
time
and
so
and.
D
G
uh
Correct
and
some
of
the
bigger
ones
we
talked
about
um
the
red
curbing
will
be
coming
back
to
a
hearing,
so
the
HOA
and
the
residents
will
be
notified
of
that
red
curbing.
So
we
will
be
here
in
you
know
two
months
talking
about
red
curb
in
this
area
and
how
many
stalls
and
how
many
street
parking
stalls
are
being
removed,
and
so
that'll
be
kind
of
that
next
phase
for
this
community.
G
G
Oh,
we
usually
put
it
out
there
for
a
few
days
depending
on
what
kind
of
weekend
it
is
so
that
we're
we're
moving
it
around
a
lot,
because
it's
it's
in
high
demand
um
and
so
we'll
often
move
it
around
quite
a
bit
and
those
RSVPs
I
believe
I've
heard
their
numbers
are
a
little
down.
So
it's
it's
encouraging
to.
If
anybody
knows
any
volunteers
to
volunteer
for
the
Police
Service
RSVP,
um
the
um
those
their
services
are
helpful
in
setting
that
up
and
getting
it
out
there.
So
it's
based
on
their
availability.
B
um
I
appreciate
you
coming
out
tonight.
It
takes
uh
to
take
your
time
to
do
this.
We
all
appreciate
it.
It
helps
us
understand
the
situation,
a
parent
of
four
kids,
they're
all
grown,
but
I
remember
trying
to
get
them
to
learn
how
to
drive,
and
the
fear
of
you
know
just
just
coming
back
to
your
own
house
when,
when
you
have
such
a
busy
street
I
think
we
all
understand
that
that
feeling
uh
again,
like
we
all
said
here,
this
is
not
the
end.
B
E
G
E
Mainly
this
other
suggestion
would
be
that
it
is
going
to
be
a
continuing.
You
know,
item
and
I
think
right
now,
the
sheriff
and
the
speed
trailer,
but
I
also
think
he
should
be
talking
to
your
council
members,
because
they're
really
the
power
of
the
purse
and,
if
we're
talking
about
you,
know
a
construction
project,
one
way
or
ending
a
street
with
bollards.
E
You
know
you
that's
going
to
be
a
discussion
between
the
council
and
the
HOA
as
to
how
who
pays
um
so
the
squeaky
wheel
gets.
The
grease.
I
would
also
start
talking
to
the
council,
because,
while
we
are
quasi-judicial
we're
75
percent
administrative
meaning
following
the
code
but
not
the
power
of
the
purse,.
F
F
Q
Q
The
site
is
comprised
of
three
buildings
under
one
ownership
and
approximately
13
000
square
feet
is
located
within
the
community
commercial
2
Zone
and
is
a
multi-tenant
site
improved
with
56
parking
spaces
just
to
give
a
little
background
flights
and
irons
is
a
fine,
dining
restaurant.
It
has
been
in
operation
for
four
years
and
it
has
a
type
41
license
for
for
beer
and
wine.
The
suite
that
it's
proposing
to
go
into
was
previously
occupied
by
CB
cycle,
which
has
been
vacant
since
2019..
Q
So
the
request
before
you
today
is
for
a
conditionally
used
permit
to
allow
for
the
full
service
of
alcohol
for
into
indoor
and
on-site
consumption
at
the
restaurant,
with
the
specified
hours
and
as
well
as
a
shared
parking
to
address
the
non-conforming
parking
conditioner
site.
It
should
be
noted
that
if
the
applicant
were
to
in
the
future
propose
any
outdoor
seating
um
that
would
be
considered
a
substantial
modification
to
the
application
would
require
a
an
amendment
to
the
conditional
use
permit.
Q
So
here
we
have
the
existing
Suite
as
well
as
the
adjacent
two
Suites,
uh
that
the
space
would
be
expanding
into,
which
is
Suites
372
through
374,
immediately
adjacent
to
the
site
or
to
the
to
the
sweep.
Here
we
have
a
blow
up
version
of
the
proposed
expansion
area,
which
includes
storage,
freezer
area
and
additional
seating
for
the
restaurant
as
well
as
bathrooms.
Q
uh
The
expanded
area
would
result
in
38
additional
seats
and
the
existing
seating
is
um
44
seeds,
and
so
this
this
in
total,
with
the
expansion
result
in
the
sweet,
Bean
4207
square
feet
in
total
size,
so
SAS
completed
a
breakdown
of
the
parking
for
the
entire
Center,
uh
as
well
as
identification
of
the
hours
of
operation
for
the
different
uh
businesses
and,
as
you
can
see
here
that,
with
the
total
parking
spaces
provided
on
site,
we
have
56.
However,
based
on
just
a
straight
application
of
the
parking
regulations
would
result
in
76
parking
stalls.
Q
However,
not
all
of
the
uses
do
operate
at
the
same
time
and
in
the
parking
survey
that
was
conducted
the
last
week
of
November
of
the
site.
Identif
was
conducted,
Monday,
Wednesday,
Friday
and
Saturday
from
the
hours
of
12.
uh
in
the
afternoon
to
7
pm
and
the
maximum
parking
occupancy
that
was
identified
was
39
percent
or
22
stalls.
Q
So
the
proposed
operations
and
conditions
associated
with
the
business
would
be
limiting
the
proposed
expanded
area
during
normal
business
hours,
which
would
be
eight
to
five.
So
restricting
that
seating
in
that
area,
as
well
as
to
ensure
consistency
with
other
typical
restaurant
uses
for
full
alcohol
service
either.
In
this
application
there
would
be
no
live
entertainment
as
well
as
Amplified
music.
The
application
has
been
reviewed
by
the
city's
code
enforcement
division,
as
well
as
the
sheriff's
department,
ABC
and
all
are
in
support
of
the
application,
have
not
had
any
issues
with
the
business
owner.
Q
uh
Steph
is
proposing
one
modified
condition
for
consistency,
uh
and
that
would
be
modifying
condition,
1.7
B,
to
restrict
the
use
of
the
expanded
area
during
the
business
hours
as
I
as
I
previously
identified.
uh
So
basically,
there
would
be
no
allowed
seating
in
the
expanded
restaurant
area
um
during
normal
business
hours,
and
that
would
be
consistent
with
the
condition
7.9
provided.
Q
So
in
conclusion,
um
with
with
the
application
of
the
um
the
shared
parking
agreement,
the
project
is,
in
conformance
with
all
the
applicable
development
standards,
as
well
as
conditions
of
approval
applied
to
ensure
consistency
with
the
general
plan,
as
well
as
the
design
guidelines,
staff
is
recommending
approval
of
the
application,
and
that
is
exempt,
uh
is
existing
facility
and
is
recommending
approval
on
the
subject
to
the
tax
resolution.
Conditions
of
approval.
A
E
E
Q
Q
That's
where
their
Prime
generation
is
it,
and
given
that
it
is
a
fine,
dining
restaurant
uh
most
of
the
usage
of
the
restaurant
during
that
time
period
is
prepping
for
in
the
evenings,
and
so
if
he
does
have
staff
there,
it
makes
most
sense
to
you
know
uh
service
a
couple
of
customers
while
they
are
doing
that.
So
that's
the
intent
of
the
business
owner
and
he
was
uh
okay,
closing
off
the
proposed
expanded
area
which
could
easily
be
done
because
of
the
doorways
there.
uh
So
he
is.
He
is
accepting
of
that
condition.
Q
So
yeah
the
um
the
project
is
subject
to
um
modifications,
whether
they're
in
considered
in
substantial
compliance
or
not,
and
that's
subject
to
the
city.
Planner's
determination
so
um
proposed
expansion
of
that,
given
that
there's
an
existing
conditional
use,
permit,
there's
a
shared
parking
agreement.
uh
That
would
be
something
that
would
not
be
considered
in
substantial
compliance
and
would
require
unnecessary
an
amendment
to
the
existing
permit.
So
that's
something
that
would
um
be
applicable
here.
D
F
F
Q
F
Q
F
F
There's
and
there's
56
on
site,
correct,
okay,
so
the
whole
idea
is
that
um
there
are
additional
parking
uh
requirement
would
be
met
because
it's
going
to
occur
after
5
PM
when
all
the
other
businesses
are
essentially
closed.
That's
correct,
okay,
um
I
mean
that
seems
pretty
basic
and
straightforward.
F
I
did
go
on
site,
I
did
validate
all
those
parking
spots
and
there
are
interestingly
16
spots
underneath
the
building
I
talked
to
the
manager
there,
who
was
quite
helpful
and
he
indicated
that
the
staff
either
Parks
underground
in
those
spaces
or
off-site,
and
they
won't
take
those
56
spots
up
um
and
that
the
other
yeah.
So
it's
it
seemed
and
I
asked
him
too
about
the
lunch
and
he
told
me
it's
minimal
and
their
business
really
is
dinner.
F
B
A
R
You
thank
you
so
much.
Thank
you
for
uh
for
having
me,
and
you
know,
trying
to
helping
me
John
has
been
you
know,
insanely
helpful
and
walking
me
through
a
lot
of
things
and
making
me
understand
a
lot
of
the
problems
and
a
lot
of
the
issues
that
we
concerned.
I've
been
uh
like.
He
mentioned,
I've,
been
in
business
for
four
years,
a
little
four
years
at
that
location,
and
if
you
guys
were
at
the
restaurant,
you
can
see
that
I
can
see
the
parking
lot
every
single
day
when
I'm
there.
R
So
you
know
so
I
didn't
really
perceive
any
problems
with
the
parking.
uh
My
business
in
reality
is
old,
even
in
business
and
most
of
my
neighbors,
you
know
leave
by
five
o'clock
six
o'clock,
the
latest,
so
the
entire
space
belongs.
You
know
to
us
our
neighbors
pretty
much
the
customers
that
come
to
us
as
neighbors.
They
uh
I
want
to
say
the
majority
of
them
walk
to
the
restaurant
because
they
live
so
close.
R
So
we
have
a
neighborhood
right
to
the
you
know,
to
the
left
and
uh
and
obviously
across
the
street,
on
coming
to
the
Australia.
We
have
the
Dana
Point
couple
Beach
area,
which
a
lot
of
the
people
work
uh
and
walk.
I
mean
I'm
really
here
to
answer
any
questions
you
might
have
within
you
know
within
the
space-
and
you
know,
hopefully
we
can.
We
can
move
move
forward
with
this.
E
F
A
R
You
know
you
know:
San
Clemente,
when
I
first
moved
to
Orange
County
I
moved
to
San
Clemente
South,
San
Clemente,
so
I
lived
there
for
four
years.
Then
I,
you
know
my
wife
and
I.
Since
we
bought
the
restaurant,
we
uh
we
bought
a
place
in
Laguna
Niguel,
but
uh
you
know:
I
have
a
special
place
for
San
Clemente,
so
I
was
really
thrilled
to
be
able
to
open
a
business.
You
know
here
and
to
succeed
and
survive.
You
know
covet
and
everything
else
with
uh
you
know
the
help
of
the
city.
R
It's
been
great
so
now,
with
the
expansion,
just
kind
of
finishes,
the
idea
and
the
uh
and
the
dynamic
that
we,
you
know
that
we
started
with
and
we
are
restaurant
first
and
a
bar
second,
you
you
know
where
culinary
Concepts,
so
we
we're
scratch
kitchen.
We
make
everything
in-house.
So
that's
why
we're
there
during
the
day
uh
and
yeah
you
know,
might
as
well
be
open
to.
You
know
to
help.
You
know,
alleviate
the
the
payroll
to
be
able
to
keep
educating
our
staff.
C
Thank
you,
chair
McCann,
uh
Adam,
atamian,
Deputy,
community
development,
director
and
city
planner.
This
item
uh
is
being
requested
to
be
tabled
in
order
to
provide
staff
additional
time
needed
to
review
issues
and
finish
preparing
materials
before
this
Planning
Commission
considers
it.
We
would
request
that
the
item
be
tabled
at
this
time.
Staff
will
re-notice
this
project
for
the
January
18
2023
meeting.
Since
this
was
noticed
as
a
public
hearing.
C
E
E
F
One
of
the
things
that
I
felt
would
be
helpful
when
we,
when
you
guys
come
forward,
would
be
some
analysis
as
to
the
problem
and
root
causes.
So
in
other
words,
I,
think
the.
When
we
visited
last
time
it
was
the
problem.
Was
it
takes
too
long,
but
that's
a
really
broad
problem
statement
and
it
would
be
helpful
if
we
had
either
that
refined
and
or
root
cause
to
what's
taking
so
long.
F
You
know
that
too,
like
with
this
upgrade
to
our
system,
here's
the
problems
we
think
we're
going
to
solve
with
that
and
then
whatever
else
you
guys
want
to
do
just
so,
we
had
some
kind
of
connection
to
problem
root,
cause
analysis.
This
is
the
solution,
type
of
thing,
if
that
that's
just
my
thought,
as.
C
A
good
way
to
proceed.
Thank
you,
commissioner.
Cosgrove
staff
does
appreciate
those
types
of
comments
just
to
manage
expectations.
This
is
a
city
council,
initiated
item
and
so
staff
can.
We
will
provide
some
background
uh
based
on
our
experience
of
processing
applications
and
working
with
the
code.
C
However,
the
um
I
don't
want
to
I,
don't
want
to
speak
on
behalf
of
the
city
council
as
far
as
the
the
root
causes
that
that
they
feel
are
were
required
to
initiate
this
type
of
action,
but
staff
will
definitely
have
some
background
on
what
is
being
proposed
and
why
it
uh
and
what
it
would
address.
As
far
as
streamlining
is
concerned,.
A
E
A
C
C
uh
This
comes
to
you
uh
for
uh
typically
to
assist
staff
and
the
Planning
Commission
in
determining
uh
vacations
uh
and
uh
time
away
from
the
city
uh
for
coordination
purposes.
One
thing
I
will
mention
and
I
apologize.
The
attachment
that
I
had
identified
did
not
make
it
into
the
packet.
I
can
go
and
put
something
up
on
the
screen
to
uh
to
show
that
holiday
calendar.
C
C
It
is
the
day
before
the
uh
Thanksgiving,
and
so
it
might
be
uh
wise
for
the
Planning
Commission
to
decide
whether
they
want
would
like
to
hold
that
meeting
staff
would
prefer
that
we
have
a
determination
as
far
as
what
meetings
are
are
definitely
canceled
for
next
year,
so
that
we
can.
We
can
schedule
applications
uh
far
in
advance,
rather
than
waiting
a
meeting
or
two
ahead
of
time
to
determine
whether
we
want
to
cancel
so
I
will
leave
it
at
that.
C
A
E
A
F
A
D
To
talk
about
before
Adam
does
that
I
highly
recommend
it
for
anybody.
Who's
has
its
slightest
interest
in
it,
I've
been
in
to
it
a
number
of
times
and
learned
something
new
each
time,
and
it's
well
worth
the
effort
and
will
make
you
um
a
better,
rounded
commissioner,
and
give
you
a
lot
of
insight
into
other
job
possibilities.
D
C
C
uh
Typically,
we
have
done
an
alter,
alter
alternate
alternate
years
with
four
and
three
planning
Commissioners.
Technically,
we
would
have
the
funding
this
year
to
actually
send
everybody
only
because
it's
local,
the
league
puts
this
Academy
on
every
year
and
it
is
not
always
in
Southern
California.
Sometimes
it
requires
hotels
as
well,
since
it
is
local
we
we
could
send
everybody.
C
The
only
thing
is
we'd
want
to
be
cognizant
of
um
which
meetings
and
and
the
schedule
that
people
are
in
just
so
that
there's
no
inadvertent
quorums,
but
that's
not
difficult
to
work
around,
um
and
so
this
Planning
Commission
Academy
does
occur.
March
29th
through
the
31st
in
2023,
in
Garden,
Grove
and
so
I
I'll
leave
it
up
to
the
Planning
Commission.
C
To
tell
me
how
many
people
are
interested
going
this
year,
knowing
that
there's
an
opera,
there
will
be
an
opportunity
next
year,
however,
since
it's
in
Southern
California
this
year,
I
assume
that
next
year,
it'll
be
North
and
so
you'd
have
to.
If
you
want
to
postpone
it
this
year,
it'd
be
nice
to
know
that
around
this
same
time,
in
2024
you'd
be
available
for
four
days
or
so
of
travel
and
uh
and
staying
in
overnight.
Accommodations.
A
D
D
um
We
just
finished
a
year
and
I
want
to
thank
white
for
being
a
recording
secretary
and
making
sense
out
of
what
we
say
and
she's,
the
only
one
that
can
and
staff
and
the
whole
uh
commission
I
think
we've
come
gelled
and
come
together
and
are
working
well
together
and
let's
do
it
again
next
year.
This
is
the
last
meeting
of
the
year.