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From YouTube: AUG 29, 2019 | City Council Study Session
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City of San José
City Council Study Session: Energy Resiliency
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A
Thank
everybody
on
the
on
the
city
staff
team,
who
has
put
together
a
very
extensive
report,
help
us
better
understand
the
challenges
we
face
with
energy
resilience,
particularly
with
recent
developments
in
regulatory
developments.
Issues
of
PG&E
and
with
the
PUC
I
really
want
to
thank
Ray,
Reardon
and
Lorrie
Mitchell.
For
all
your
work
on
this
and
your
team's
I
know,
there's
no
small
amount
of
work
and
meetings
have
been
going
on
weekly
throughout
the
last
several
months.
A
We've
learned
that
these
challenges
thanks
Jim
or
Paul,
for
all
your
efforts
coordinating
all
this
Matt
Cain
owned
public
works
and
Walter
Lynn
who's
here,
Bennett
Chang
and
her
team
have
been
working
very
hard
with
our
partners
in
Sacramento
and
then
speaking
of
our
partners
and
second
I
don't
want
to
thank
Senator
Hill
for
hosting
a
subcommittee
hearing
on
de-energization
and
the
impacts,
and
we
had
staff
there.
I
was
testifying
as
well
and
we
were-
and
he
was
interesting
to
hear
I'm
told
after
I
testified.
A
There
were
a
lot
of
horror
stories
about
communication
and
issues
with
regard
to
the
energization
and
something
we
all
need
to
be
very
aware
of.
You
know.
I
think
senator
Weiner
I
know
it's
been
a
great
champion
for
four
cities
in
addressing
some
of
these
issues.
It
is
certainly
a
great
concern
to
me.
What's
happened
in
recent
months.
A
I
know
that
we
have
dodged
the
bullet
so
far
this
summer
on
any
significant
derealization
revenge,
but
I
think
we
all
know
if
we
did
have
one
and
it
was
extended
in
time
it
would
create
very
severe
challenges
for
us
and
certainly
cost
lives
and
post
safety
risks.
What
I
think
we're
all
also
concerned
about
is
energy
resilience
going
forward
with
everything
and
we're
knowing
we're
learning
about
climate
change
and
the
changing
markets.
We
have
a
lot
to
be
focused
on
with
regard
to
energy
resilience,
whether
we
have
a
D
energization
or
not.
B
Thank
you
very
much
mayor
good
morning,
mayor
members,
the
council,
I'm
Jim,
Orr,
Paul,
deputy
city
manager
and
joining
me
in
this
presentation
today
is
Ray
Reardon,
our
director
of
emergency
man,
Laurie
Mitchell,
our
director
of
community
energy
and
Walter
Lin,
deputy
director
of
public
works.
We're
here
today
to
engage
the
council
on
a
critical
and
timely
topic.
Energy
resilience.
It's
a
broad
and
complex
topic.
B
The
study
session
came
about
based
upon
direction
that
we
received
in
a
memorandum
from
the
mayor
vice
mayor,
Jones
and
councilmembers
Jimenez
for
all
isn't
fully.
The
rules
committee
took
this
up
in
June
and
directed
that
we
have
a
study
session
at
the
earliest
opportunity
the
council
could
convene
on
it.
There
was
a
significant
amount
of
work
that
this
team
and
many
others
across
the
city
did
to
prepare
for
this
study
session
and
then
on.
B
We
have
kind
of
a
series
of
elements
to
this
study
session.
Rey
is
going
to
begin
and
lay
out
kind
of
the
energy
availability
threat
assessment
again
that
focuses
on
the
PGE
public
safety
power
shutdown.
Potential
he'll
go
through
the
preparations
that
we've
done
as
a
city
in
the
event
that
does
occur,
and
the
considerations
and
the
potential
impacts
that
that
could
have
to
our
city
Laurie
will
take
up
local
control
analysis
that
will
focus
a
lot
on
both
private
utility
versus
public
utility
characteristics,
benefits
of
various
approaches.
B
To
that
we'll
move
on
to
grid
resiliency
Laurie
will
also
kind
of
describe
that
and
kind
of
how
the
grid
system
works
throughout
the
state
and
locally
Walter
will
then
focus
in
on
how
it
affects
us
directly
in
the
city
and
our
significant
efforts
at
preparing
kind
of
backup
power
generation
at
our
critical
city
facilities,
things
that
we
need
to
keep
running
regardless
of
what
happens
to
the
overall
grid,
our
police
and
public
safety,
fire
airport
regional
wastewater
facility,
sanitary
sewer
system.
All
of
those
types
of
things.
B
So
we
have
a
pretty
extensive
presentation,
probably
about
an
hour,
and
we
ask
the
council's
patience
on
that
to
kind
of
get
through
the
whole
thing,
because
we
think
some
questions
that
might
arise
early
in
the
presentation
could
be
answered
later
on
and
we
think
that
might
be
the
best
use
of
time.
But
that
will
still
leave
plenty
of
time
for
council
questions,
discussion
and
public
comment
on
the
topic
as
well,
and
so
with
that
I'll
turn
it
over
to
Ray
and
he'll
begin
good.
C
Morning,
mr.
mayor
councilmembers,
mr.
city
manager,
staff
and
members
of
the
public
that
are
attending
today's
study
session,
I
am
Ray
Reardon.
The
director
of
the
city
manager's
office
of
emergency
management,
as
is
described
by
Jim
I'll,
be
covering
the
current
threat
assessment
of
of
our
power
sources,
as
PG&E
has
been
given
the
authority
to
conduct
Public
Safety
power
shut
offs
as
I
described.
The
threat
posed
by
the
power
shut
off
program
I
need
you
to
understand
the
difference
between
distribution
and
transmission.
C
Today
you
enjoy
the
ability
to
walk
into
your
home
or
your
office
and
turn
on
the
light.
Switch.
The
power
provided
to
your
home
or
to
your
businesses
are
provided
to
you
through
the
parts
called
distribution
power
systems.
It
is
a
lower
voltage
line
that
delivered
use,
usable
consumer
power
to
homes
and
businesses.
The
transmission
section
I'll
talk
about
a
little
bit
of
the
power
grid
is
the
higher
voltage
lines
that
run
four
miles
over
hilltops
and
across
valleys.
That
brings
the
power
to
the
distribution.
C
The
amount
of
voltage
in
these
lines
are
much
higher
and
the
infrastructure
much
larger,
as
well
as
older.
Due
to
the
risk
and
devastation.
We
saw
last
year's
campfire
and
fires
prior
to
that.
The
CPUC,
the
California
Public
Utilities
Commission
authorized
PG&E
to
conduct
power
shut
offs
to
reduce
the
threat
of
igniting
wildfires
during
forecasted
high
heat
temperatures,
low
humidity,
dried
vegetation
and
windy
conditions.
C
The
term
used
by
the
National
Weather
Service
for
these
kinds
of
weather
engagements
as
red,
flag,
weather
warnings
or
alerts
to
give
you
a
sense
of
frequency
of
what
we
might
expect.
Last
year,
the
Santa
Clara
Valley
experienced
red
flag
events
on
the
eastern
hills
or
the
Diablo
range
and
four
on
the
Santa
Cruz
Mountains.
C
These
is
important
to
understand
because
those
are
two
areas
our
transmission
crosses.
Pg&Amp;E
has
produced
some
historical
data
that
they
have
not
yet
shared
with
us
in
terms
of
how
this
would
be
actuated
as
a
public
shut
off.
The
areas
that
will
be
targeted
for
the
power
shut
offs
are
in
the
areas
where
homes
have
been
built
into
the
dense
force
like
vegetation
or,
what's
also
called
the
vegetation
wildland
intermix,
the
denser,
the
vegetation,
the
steeper
the
terrain,
the
higher
the
threat
in
this,
what
they
call
the
high
fire
threat
districts
for
San
Jose.
C
It
means
in
that
top
right
diagram.
The
yellow
shaded
areas
around
San
Jose
are
in
what's
known
as
a
tier
two
and
the
rust
color
is
the
higher
threat
or
tier
three
threat.
The
distribution
shut
offs
will
be
localized
and
more
controlled
in
those
yellow
and
rest
color
areas
around
the
city
of
San
Jose.
C
The
transmission
lines
that
serve
San
Jose
run-through
also
run
through
high
fire
threat
districts
in
this
diagram.
The
red
line
running
through
the
yellow
from
the
top
right
Livermore
into
the
South
San
Jose
area,
is
one
of
four
transmission
lines
that
are
easily
seen
in
this
map
and
from
the
south.
A
high
voltage
line
from
Moss
Landing
serves
the
met
cat
power
substation
in
the
south,
so
crosses
that
rust,
color
and
yellow
color
from
the
bottom
left
into
the
center
or
the
south
part
of
San
Jose.
C
Please
notice
how
these
lines
cross
through
tier
2,
&,
3
or
high
threat
and
severe
threat
zones.
These
could
be
shut
off
because
of
the
threat
of
a
wildland
fire
or
an
actual
fire,
but
what
most
must?
But
what
we
must
also
understand
is
that
these
transmission
lines
coming
from
Livermore
actually
gets
its
power
from
a
much
further
distance,
relying
on
other
transmission
lines.
It
could
be
as
far
as
away
as
a
power
sources
in
the
Sierras
or
even
as
far
north
as
the
Oregon
border
threats
to
transmission
lines.
Far
away
can
impact
us
locally.
C
The
potential
threat
could
turn
power
off
to
some
or
portions
of
the
city
or
the
entire
city
of
most
concern
is:
what
are
we,
what
is
known
as
a
cascading
failure?
This
is
one
one
transmission
line.
The
shut
off
could
cause
failure
in
the
next
transmission
line
and
so
on,
a
cascading
effect
PG&E
and
their
wild
fire
safety
plan
submitted
to
the
CPUC
states
that
the
transmission
lines,
far
away
from
from
higher
fire
threats
locally,
could
still
de
energize
San
Francisco
or
San
Jose.
This
isn't
an
actual
written
document.
C
Since
we
learned
about
this
potential,
we
have
been
meeting
with
PG&E,
Cal,
ISO
and
many
other
organizations
to
make
sure
that
we
are
prepared.
We've
participated
in
four
workshops
of
PG&E,
including
one
that
directly
involves
city
staff
and
PG&E.
In
a
dialogue,
a
tabletop
exercise,
we
participated
in
the
pga,
wild
fire,
open
houses,
we've
conducted
a
self-assessment
of
critical
facilities
and
pennant
our
generation
needs.
We
submitted
to
PG
the
list
of
City
critical
facilities
and
power
generation
needs.
C
We
developed
a
power
vulnerability
plan
that
will
be
useful
not
just
during
a
power
shut
off,
but
also
during
or
following
an
earthquake
when
power
would
be
naturally
turned
off.
We've
created
a
crisis
communications
plan
for
managing
the
preparedness,
information
and
communicating
with
the
public
during
a
power
shut
off.
We've
conducted
three
additional
tabletop
exercises
to
explore
city
response
and
communications
with
the
public
weekly
we've
held
meetings
with
city
leadership
on
the
issues
and
various
departments
to
make
sure
we're
planning
ahead.
C
We've
met
with
this
California
Independent
System
Operator,
the
CPUC
reps,
to
understand
the
means
of
methods
of
response
and
better
coordination.
We've
met
with
the
California
Office
of
Emergency,
Services
and
other
response
partners
to
ensure
our
coordination.
We've
attended
legislative
hearings
and
I
want
to
take
the
time
to
thank
all
the
staff
who've
reprioritized
their
work
to
commit
to
the
development
of
the
power
vulnerability
plan
and
the
issues
that
we're
facing
with
this.
C
What
typically
will
take
six
to
18
months
to
put
together
an
emergency
plan
as
to
if
we
put
the
efforts
and
resources
together
in
ten
weeks,
significant
effort
by
city
staff
very
much
appreciated
life
safety
impacts.
The
city
has
taken
this
threat
so
seriously,
because
the
potential
impact
of
a
cascading
power
outage
has
been
demonstrated
in
other
events,
for
example,
in
2003,
a
blackout
that
affected
the
United,
States
and
Canada
resulted
in
over
a
hundred
deaths.
We
are
most
concerned
about
those
of
our
vulnerable
populations.
C
We
could
see
such
situations
as
wheelchairs,
running
out
of
power
devices
that
that
people
rely
on
for
medical
support,
could
be
impacted
and
run
dry
of
power.
Currently
there's
over
seventy
three
hundred
people
registered
in
what's
known
as
a
medical
baseline
with
PG&E,
but
we're
sure
there
are
more
than
that
it
that
would
rely
on
power
for
their
medical
devices.
C
Additional
life
safety
impacts,
our
traffic
light
system
does
not
have
battery
backup
at
each
intersection,
so
we
could
expect
gridlock
in
terms
of
contract
on
the
streets.
Security
and
video
surveillance
systems
would
be
affected.
Refrigeration
for
medicine,
baby
food,
this
normal
household
refrigeration,
would
be
out
limited
communications
would
be
experienced
on
cell
towers,
internet
access
and
other
phone
charging
capabilities,
so
the
primary
method
that
most
people
have
today
for
communicating
would
be
compromised.
Our
critical
facilities
also
would
be
strained
because
they're,
relying
on
backup
power
and
at
these
facilities,
backup
power
does
not
power
everything.
C
It
only
powers,
life,
safety,
support
and
some
dedicated
circuits.
So
it's
not
the
entire
facility
and
of
course,
most
of
these
conditions
will
happen
during
high
heat
conditions.
So
we
could
have
medical
issues
for
those
who
would
be
suffering
during
the
heat,
especially
without
air-conditioning,
available,
because
the
power
is
out
and
then,
of
course,
air
quality
issues
would
arise
as
well.
C
The
CPUC
recognize
that
the
power
shut
offs
would
have
significant
impacts
and
required
in
their
May
30
that
the
electric
investor-owned
utilities
must
help
critical
facility
and
critical
infrastructure
representatives,
assess
the
need
for
backup
generation
and
determine
whether
additional
equipment
is
needed.
This
would
include
the
provision
of
generators
to
facilities
or
infrastructure
that
are
not
well
prepared
or
insufficiently
prepared
for
power
shut
off.
Up
to
this
day,
PG&E
has
not
yet
agreed
to
provide
required
backup
generators
to
what
we
are
identifying
as
cooling,
centers
or
other
critical
facilities
wouldn't
have
backup
power.
C
The
impact
goes
further.
The
outage
would
go
beyond
the
physical
impacts
of
the
threat
that
I
just
reviewed.
It
would
also
have
an
economic
impact
in
terms
of
lost
productivity
and
the
businesses
in
the
area.
Commodity
spoilage.
It
creates
a
whole
new
debris
management
issue
with
the
amount
of
foods
that
be
spoiled
supply
chain
disruptions,
the
traffic
impact
would
also
disrupt
the
ability
to
deliver,
groceries
and
other
necessary
supplies
and
needs.
We'd
have
significant
cost
to
local
municipalities,
for
the
overtime
and
costs
to
respond
to
this
medical
costs,
etc.
C
These
kinds
of
issues
and
items
that
were
discussing
have
been
backed
up
by
looking
at
some
historical
data.
First
I
want
to
recognize
the
PG&E
has
promoted
a
very
large
and
deep
public
education
campaign
that
encourages
residents
to
prepare
for
a
power
outage
that
could
last
from
1
to
7
days.
So
in
that
complication
PJ's
recognizing
that
they
could
have
troubles
a
long
term,
issues
related
to
a
power
outage
because
of
recovery
and
turn
the
system
back
on.
They
could
have
power
out
for
7
days.
C
So
the
transmission
again
distances
away
outages
there
could
have
impacts
locally
and
in
the
end,
when
we
look
at
the
economy
of
our
Silicon
Valley
partners,
the
economic
impact
will
be
particularly
high
in
the
tech
dominant
bay
area.
These
graphics
focus
on
the
deters
data
center
losses
per
minute,
so
looking
at
the
median
costs
in
2010
from
$5,000
a
minute
to
7,000
in
2016
and
the
mean
average
of
5600
in
2010
to
now
almost
$9,000
a
minute
economic
impact.
D
Thank
you,
Ray
I
am
Lori
Mitchell
and
I'm.
The
director
of
community
energy
and
now
I'll
go
over
some
local
control
analysis
that
we
have
done
and
start
to
explain.
The
different
services
of
how
we
get
electricity,
so
is
Ray,
said,
there's
three
main
components
to
how
we
all
get
electricity
service,
so
there's
generation,
and
here
in
San,
Jose,
San,
Jose,
clean
energy
provides
generation
service
for
98%
of
our
residents
and
then
PG&E
provides
the
rest
of
that
service
on
transmission
lines.
D
Pg&Amp;E
owns
and
maintains
many
transmission
lines
in
California,
so
do
the
other
investor
owned
utilities
and
the
larger
publicly
owned
utilities
also
owned
and
maintained
that
infrastructure
and
then
the
California
Independent
System
Operator
is
responsible
for
operating
that
system
and
ensuring
that
the
system
is
always
balanced
and
we
have
enough
electricity
to
meet
our
needs.
Then,
at
the
local
level,
there's
local
distribution
lines
again.
These
are
lower
voltage,
wires
that
connect
homes
and
businesses
to
the
larger
grid
and
those
are
owned,
operated
and
maintained
here
in
San
Jose
by
PG&E.
D
So
now
I'd
like
to
just
go
through
some
of
the
service
differences
between
investor,
owned
utilities,
ccas
and
publicly
owned
utilities.
So,
first
there's
an
investor
owned
utilities
here
in
California,
there's
our
PG&E
Southern
California,
Edison,
LA
and
San
Diego,
Gas
and
Electric
in
San
Diego.
So
they
generate
they
purchase
and
they
sell
power.
They
also
own
and
maintain
distribution
lines.
They
provide
their
own
billing
service
and
metering
and
their
own
customer
service
and
call
center
CCS.
As
you
know,
but
just
as
a
reminder,
what
we
do
is
we
generate
and
we
purchase
to
me.
D
So
when
we
have
some
excess
power,
we
do
not
own
or
maintain
distribution
lines.
That's
a
partnership
with
a
local
utility
in
here,
that's
PG&E.
We
also
don't
maintain
the
meters
at
the
residents
and
businesses
or
do
that
meter,
reading
and
building
service.
We
rely
on
PG&E
for
that
and
we
do
have
our
own
customer
service
call
center
as
well
as
PG&E
has
their
own.
So
that's
a
shared
service
and
then,
in
terms
of
publicly
owned
utilities,
it's
very
much
similar
to
the
investor
owned.
D
So
here
in
in
the
Bay
Area,
we
have
several
publicly
owned
utilities,
Santa
Clara,
Palo,
Alto,
Alameda
or
some
examples,
so
they
generate
they
purchase.
They
sell
their
power,
they
often
also
own
generation
assets.
Importantly,
they
also
own
and
maintain
their
distribution
lines
within
their
jurisdiction.
They
provide
metering
services,
they
read
all
those
meters
and
provide
billing
service
and
they
also
have
their
own
customer
service
and
call
centers
so
to
provide
some
more
detail
on
this
here
in
California.
D
The
number
of
CCA
is
now
in
California,
there's
19
of
them
across
the
state
and
there's
over
40,
publicly
owned
utilities,
so
they're,
both
in
the
Bay
Area,
but
also
some
smaller
cities.
Reading
Healdsburg
in
Northern
California,
also
in
Southern
California.
Some
examples
are
Anaheim.
Burbank
Glendale
Riverside
has
a
publicly
owned
utility.
The
two
biggest
in
the
state
of
California
are
a
Los
Angeles
Department
of
Water
and
Power.
They
provide
both
power
and
water
services
to
LA
and
then
Sacramento
Municipal,
Utility
District.
D
Those
are
the
two
largest
in
California
and
then
in
terms
of
investor
utilities,
there's
actually
six
but
there's
three
main
ones
which
is
PG&E
in
Northern,
California,
Southern,
California,
Edison
and
then
San,
Diego,
Gas
and
Electric
in
San
Diego
in
terms
of
generation
services.
Cca
is
now
jet
now
offer
about
25%
of
all
generation
service
in
the
state.
So
that's
a
significant
amount
of
growth
peer
use
provide
another
25%.
D
D
It's
important
to
recognize
on
the
distribution
services.
I
are
used
to
provide
the
majority
of
that
service,
so
they
provide
75%
of
their
services
in
California
and
publicly
owned
utilities
provide
another
25%
in
terms
of
their
management
and
there's
some
key
differences.
Ccas
are
very
similar
and
that
they're,
both
nonprofit
they're
public
they're,
managed
either
by
locally
elected
or
government
appointed
officials.
D
Investor
owned
utilities,
of
course,
are
for-profit
they're,
private,
they're,
shareholder
elected
board,
appoints
a
management
team
of
private
sector
employees
in
terms
of
rate
setting,
there's
also
significant
differences,
so
for
CCA's
rates
are
set
by
their
local
governing
board
or
City
Council
for
publicly
owned
utilities.
That's
also
the
same
that
their
rates
are
set
by
their
local
governing
board
or
their
City
Council,
but
for
investor
owned
utilities.
Their
rates
are
set
by
the
California
Public
Utilities
Commission.
D
D
It's
important
to
note
that
publicly
owned
utilities
are
regulated
by
the
California
Energy
Commission,
not
the
CPUC,
which
is
primarily
an
economic
regulator
for
the
investor
owned
utilities,
some
other
key
difference
in
terms
of
financing
so
CCA's.
Typically,
low-interest
loans
are
provided
from
the
member
communities
to
fund
the
startup.
They
also
take
on
low-interest
loans
from
financial
institutions.
Here
in
San
Jose,
we
have
that
from
Barclays
for
publicly
owned
utilities.
They
typically
have
tax-free,
bronze
and
low-interest
loans
to
support
their
operations.
D
However,
investor
owned
utilities
have
stockholders
and
they
sell
bonds
and
borrow
from
banks
that
typically
higher
rates,
so
you
can
see
in
terms
of
the
rate
of
return
for
PG&E
right
now.
They're
authorized
rate
of
return
is
ten
point
two
five
percent.
However,
they
are
requesting
an
increase
in
this
rate
of
return
to
fourteen
percent,
in
particular,
to
deal
with
their
challenges
around
wildfires
in
terms
of
profit
and
that
revenue,
CCA's
and
peers
are
very
similar
and
that
rates
are
set
primarily
to
recover
costs.
D
They're
also
set
to
return
additional
revenue
to
invest
in
new
facilities
for
CCS,
that's
generation
or
defend
local
programs
and
projects.
The
same
is
true
for
publicly
owned
utilities.
Their
rates
are
set
to
recover
their
cost
and
then
to
add
an
additional
return
to
maintain
their
bond
ratings
and
invest
in
new
infrastructure
for
investor,
owned
utilities,
there's
a
key
difference
and
that
their
rates
are
also
set
to
recover
cost,
but
they're
in
additionally
set
to
return
a
profit
to
their
investor
owned
shareholders.
D
In
terms
of
Public
Power,
it's
important
to
note
that
nationwide,
it's
more
reliable,
so
on
average
Public
Power
customers
across
the
u.s.
experience
just
under
an
hour
without
power
versus
investor
owned,
are
over
two
hours
and
then
in
terms
of
cost,
there's
also
some
key
differences,
so
in
California
on
average,
publicly
owned
utilities.
Their
residential
rates
are
seventeen
point.
Four
percent
lower
and
their
commercial
rates
are
fourteen
point
seven
percent
lower.
But
it's
important
to
note
that
there's
there's
huge
variation
among
different
utilities,
but
across
the
board
they
are
typically
much
lower.
D
So
here
you
know
a
good
example
is
Silicon
Valley
power,
that's
operated
by
Santa
Clara.
Their
residential
rates
are
48
percent,
lower
than
PGA's,
which
is
significant,
and
then
their
non
residential
commercial
rates
are
26
to
38
percent,
lower
somaybe
that
operates
in
Sacramento,
one
of
the
largest
utilities
here
in
Northern
California,
their
residential
rates
are
33%
lower
and
their
commercial
rates
are
31
to
40,
7.6
percent
lower
and
even
a
small
electric
utility
alameda
municipal
power,
which
is
here
in
the
bay
area.
D
They
offer
residential
rates
that
are
fourteen
point
nine
to
31
percent,
lower
and
non-residential
rates
that
are
11
to
18
point
nine
percent
lower
and
then
finally,
you
have
Los
Angeles
Department
of
Water
and
Power
they're,
the
largest
publicly
owned
utility
in
California.
Their
residential
rates
are
31
percent
lower
and
their
non
residential
rates
are
seven
to
twenty
seven
percent
lower.
D
So
you
might
wonder
how
is
power
Public
Power
less
expensive?
How
does
that
this
happen?
Well,
there's
some
key
differences.
One
municipalities
have
a
lower
cost
of
capital.
They
can
leverage
tax-exempt
debt
to
finance
an
infrastructure.
It's
important
to
know
they
don't
pay
dividends.
They
often
have
much
lower
executive
pay
and
then
effective
public
oversight
can
create
pressure
for
cost
efficiencies
in
terms
of
energy,
affordability
and
equity.
It's
important
to
note
that
nationwide,
one
in
three
households
in
the
u.s.
faces
challenges
in
terms
of
paying
their
electricity
bill.
D
And
it's
important
to
know
that
these
these
bars
so
that
these
hot
these
things
occur.
You
know
either
almost
every
month
in
some
months
or
one
or
two
months
of
the
year,
so
we
know
that
the
financial
resources
for
many
households
will
limit
their
ability
to
prepare
for
and
recover
from
a
power
loss,
because
many
people
are
already
struggling
to
pay
their
electric
bills
in
terms
of
here
in
San
Jose.
D
It's
really
important
to
note
that
we
know
that
approximately
300,000
to
400,000
San
Jose
residents
are
low
income
and
they're
economically
vulnerable
to
a
significant
Public
Safety
power
shut
off
event.
So
here
in
San
Jose,
we
have
over
20%
of
households
that
qualify
for
the
care
program
where
they
receive
a
30
percent
discount
on
their
electricity
bill,
but
we
know
there's
many
residents
that
still
qualify
as
low-income.
However,
there
are
no
discounts
available,
so
that's
another
15
to
20
percent
of
households
here
in
San,
Jose
and
over
time.
D
This
is
something
that
we
hope
to
address
on
the
the
generation
side
with
San
Jose
clean
energy,
but
it
will
be
a
continuing
challenge
on
the
distribution
side
in
terms
of
affordability
and
equity
challenges.
There's
many
issues
to
think
about,
one
is
just
the
cost
of
spoiled
food
or
medicine
is
going
to
be
much
more
challenging
for
low-income
residents,
they're
much
more
less
likely
to
be
able
to
afford
backup
generation.
D
We
know
that
communications
during
a
public
safety,
PowerShot
ELPH
event
will
be
harder
for
non-english
speaking
residents,
and
then
we
know
that
our
disabled
populations
are
especially
vulnerable.
There's
many
people
that
have
mobility
issues
and
depend
on
electric
wheelchairs
and
chair
lifts
and
elevators
and
then
finally,
a
lack
of
public
transit
will
also
exacerbate
these
issues,
and
this
is
a
photo
for
some
stakeholders
that
testified
in
Sacramento
a
few
weeks
ago
of
their
concerns
related
to
their
mobility
issues.
D
So
next
I'll
talk
a
little
bit
about
grid
resiliency
and
some
of
the
things
that
we
can
do
to
address
these
challenges.
So
first
I
want
to
you
know
reiterate
if
there's
different
solutions
for
different
components
of
the
electrical
system,
so
again
transmission
as
Ray
reiterated.
But
I'll
reiterate
again,
are
these
high
voltage
wires
that
carry
power
across
the
large
areas
across
California
distribution
lines
again
are
lower
voltage
and
they
connect
homes
and
businesses
to
the
electrical
grid
and
then
on
site.
D
So
first
I
thought
we
would
start
out
with
a
definition
of
resiliency,
because
I
think
a
lot
of
people
have
different
ideas
about
what
that
means,
but
the
Federal,
Energy
Regulatory
Commission,
offers
an
understanding
of
resilience
to
mean
the
ability
to
withstand
and
reduce
the
magnitude.
And/Or
duration
of
disruptive
events,
which
includes
the
capability
to
anticipate
absorb,
adapt
to
and/or
rapidly
recover
from
such
an
event.
And
of
course
these
are
pictures
from
the
campfire
last
year.
D
There's
pictures
of
the
wire
and
the
transmission
lines
that
cause
that
fire
and
then
here
locally
in
the
Bay
Area,
the
very
poor
air
quality
that
we
experienced
so
in
terms
of
on-site
backup
infrastructure
that
can
help
us
in
these
types
of
events,
there's
three
primary
technologies
that
we
can
look
at
the
first
one
is
generators.
This
is
by
far
the
most
common.
We
used
solution
right
now,
however,
one
drawback
to
it
is
that
it
does
burn
fuel
to
generate
electricity,
so
optin
generators
are
run
on
diesel
or
they
run
on
natural
gas.
D
So
they
do
produce
emissions.
Another
technology
that
could
help
our
fuel
cells,
their
fuel
cells,
convert
natural
gas
or
hydrogen
into
electricity.
It's
important
to
note
that
a
natural
gas
fuel
cell
does
produce
emissions
and
those
emissions
are
often
much
higher
than
the
grid
electricity
and
then
finally,
there's
solar
paired
with
battery
storage.
D
So,
in
terms
of
distribution
level,
infrastructure,
I
thought
it'd
be
helpful
to
provide
a
couple
real
pictures
of
what
we're
talking
about.
So
here
the
first
picture
up.
There
is
a
substation.
Now
often
people
drive
past
these
and
they
think
that's
a
power
plan
or
something
else.
But
what
this
is
is
a
substation
and
what
a
substation
does
is.
It
lowers
the
voltage
from
the
transmission
lines
to
the
distribution
line,
so
there's
transformers
there
that
receive
the
power
from
the
transmission
line,
and
then
it's
converted
into
lower
voltage
electricity
to
connect
our
homes
and
businesses.
D
Here
in
San
Jose,
we
have
many
of
these
substations
and
they're
a
critical
component
to
how
we
get
reliable
electricity
service,
and
then
the
bottom
picture
is
what
most
people
are
pretty
familiar
with:
is
they're
the
distribution
poles
that
connect
to
our
homes
and
our
businesses.
So
this
is
what
we're
talking
about
when
we
talk
about
distribution
level
infrastructure,
it's
important
to
note
that
micro
grids
are
sections
of
distribution
infrastructure
that
can
island
and
when
I
mean
island.
This
means
that
they
can
continue
to
operate
when
the
grid
loses
power.
D
So
usually
they're
able
to
do
this
because
there's
on-site
energy
generation
within
the
micro
grid,
so
this
could
be
solar,
could
be
wind,
could
be
a
combined
heat
and
power
plant
and
it
could
be
energy
storage.
It's
also
important
to
note
that
only
utilities
can
operate
distribution
infrastructure
to
serve
customers
when
that
infrastructure
crosses
a
public
right-of-way
in
terms
of
transmission
level
infrastructure.
This
is
a
map
of
all
the
transmission
lines
across
California.
You
can
see
that
they
span
quite
vast
areas.
D
Those
blue
lines
in
Southern
California
are
owned
by
Southern
California
Edison,
and
then
you
can
see
some
of
the
red
lines
at
the
bottom
or
San
Diego,
Gas
and
Electric
a
little
harder
to
see
but
down
in
Southern
California
there's
some
green
lines
are
owned
and
operated
by
a
Los,
Angeles
Department
of
Water
and
Power
there's.
Also,
some
pink
lines
are
a
little
harder
to
see
but
they're
up
near
Sacramento,
where
this
mud
also
owns
and
operates
some
transmission
lines.
D
D
It's
important
to
note
that
the
California
Independent
System
Operator
is
actually
the
entity
that
is
responsible
for
operating
all
of
these
transmission
lines,
and
it's
really
important
to
note
that
they
do
not
own
them
and
they
do
not
maintain
them,
so
they
don't
know
necessarily
the
status
of
the
infrastructure,
but
they
do
operate
so
what
the
owners
of
transmission
have
to
do.
If
there's
an
outage,
they
have
to
submit
that
to
the
California
Independent,
System
Operator
and
then
engineers
at
the
California
Independent
System
Operator
have
to
model.
D
How
are
we
going
to
still
have
reliable
power
across
the
state
and
rebalance
the
system
to
be
able
to
do
that?
So
the
California
Independent
System
Operator
is
currently
studying
the
transmission
infrastructure
and
evaluating
options
during
certain
Public
Safety
power.
Shutoff
scenarios.
We
have
been
working
very
closely
with
them
to
let
them
know
what
our
critical
facilities
are
and
and
to
let
them
know
our
concerns,
particularly
as
they
relate
to
those
cascading
outages
that
Ray
talked
about
earlier
in
terms
of
battery
storage.
D
I
thought
it
was
also
pretty
important
to
provide
some
real
pictures
of
what
are
we
talking
about
when
we
talk
about
a
battery
storage
so
that
the
first
picture
is
a
typical
home
unit.
So
these
are
images
of
a
battery
storage
unit
that
could
be
installed
at
a
residence
or
a
home.
You
can
see
it
looks
like
an
electrical
panel,
that's
just
mounted
on
the
wall,
and
then
battery
storage
can
also
be
installed
in
a
very
large
way
to
be
paired
with
a
utility
scale
powerplant,
and
so
the
pictures
at
the
bottom
are
cement.
D
C
But
they
actually
do
go
together.
This
graph
shows
the
hourly
electric
load
on
a
spring
day
in
California,
it's
the
lowest
at
night.
When
people
are
asleep,
it
starts
rising
as
people
wake
up
and
Peaks
around
noon,
then
tapers
off
starting
around
6:00
p.m.
utilities
balance
this
variable
demand
by
ramping
up
and
ramping
down
power
plants
to
control
their
output.
For
decades,
these
patterns
have
remained
relatively
predictable
as
more
homes,
businesses
and
utilities
go
solar.
These
patterns
are
changing.
C
Here
is
the
same
chart,
but
with
some
of
the
demand
meant
by
solar,
the
rest
of
the
demand
needs
to
be
met
by
traditional
power
plants,
as
solar
needs
more
demand.
During
the
day
it
means
less
conventional
energy
is
needed,
but
as
solar
production
goes
down
at
night,
conventional
energy
needs
to
ramp
up
quickly
to
meet
evening
demand
this
balancing
act
between
energy
supply
and
demand
can
waste
some
of
the
solar
energy
that's
being
generated.
C
If
solar
generates
too
much
power
utilities
need
to
manage
the
oversupply
on
the
market,
they
can
decide
to
curtail
solar
production,
which
means
they
do
not
use
some
of
the
power
that
is
generated.
Fortunately,
this
only
happens
a
handful
of
times
every
year
and
only
in
a
few
areas
like
California
or
solar
generates
significant
amounts
of
the
utilities
energy
supply.
So
what
can
be
done
to
help
address
these
issues?
C
Second
price
can
be
structured
to
incentivize
consumers
to
use
less
energy
in
the
evening,
which
would
help
reduce
the
ramping
requirement
as
the
Sun
Goes
Down
and
third,
we
can
shift
PV
generation
to
the
evening
by
storing
power
generated
by
solar
earlier
in
the
day
as
we
look
to
a
future
with
exponentially
higher
amounts
of
solar
energy
connected
to
the
grid.
These
strategies
could
enable
the
electricity
system
to
use
all
the
electricity
generated
from
solar
with
more
cushion
for
utilities
to
meet
the
evening
load.
C
So
that's
how
we're
going
to
solve
this
tricky
problem
with
the
duck
right
now.
These
challenges
are
only
faced
in
areas
like
California
and
Hawaii,
where
there's
a
lot
of
solar,
but
with
help
from
the
SunShot
initiative.
These
lessons
learned
can
be
replicated
across
the
country
as
more
states
tackle
the
same
challenges
and
solar
becomes
a
greater
part
of
our
energy.
D
See
more
images
that
attack
there
we
go
so
hopefully
that
was
somewhat
informative.
Some
people
sometimes
ask
me
what
this
duck
curve
is,
and
so
I
thought
it
was
helpful
to
provide
a
little
background.
But
essentially
you
know
in
California,
as
the
video
stated
for
facing
and
which
is
a
great
achievement,
a
lot
of
penetration
of
solar
energy
on
the
grid,
but
it's
important
how
we
manage
that
electricity
to
and
ensure
that
we
can
still
meet
nighttime
demands,
so
these
are
really
where
energy
storage
does
come
in.
D
So
this
is
a
picture
of
a
utility
scale
sort
storage
plant
for
San
Jose,
clean
energy.
We
just
signed
our
first
long-term
contract.
You
start
to
build
this
type
of
storage
and
pair
it
with
solar
energy.
We
signed
a
10
megawatt
contract
recently,
and
so
that's
one
example
of
how
utilities
are
starting
to
think
about
this
issue
and
really
manage
the
intermittency
of
renewable
energy.
So
some
of
the
benefits
of
energy
storage
are
that
it
didn't
power,
quality
and
reliability.
It
improves
the
stability
and
reliability
of
the
transmission
and
distribution
system.
D
It's
important
to
note
that
you
know
that
one
of
the
main
reasons
that
California
does
have
so
much
solar
now
is
that
the
cost
has
fallen
and
you
can
see
the
the
cost
of
utility-scale
photovoltaic,
which
is
essentially
solar,
energy
and
wind
has
really
dropped
in
recent
years.
It's
very
exciting.
It
allows
us
to
invest
in
these
technologies
in
lower
costs,
and
but
it's
important
to
note
that
the
cost
of
battery
storage
is
also
falling,
and
so
that's
pretty
exciting,
as
well
and
in
terms
of
allowing
us
to
economically
start
to
invest
in
these
technologies.
D
This
is
an
example
locally
here
of
a
new
project
that
is
fairly
exciting,
so
in
Monterey,
County,
there's
an
old
natural
gas
plan
at
Moss
Landing
and
recently
the
CPUC
approved
pee
genies
proposal
to
build
the
world's
largest
battery
solar
system
and
mas.
Excuse
me
a
battery
storage
system
in
Moss
Landing,
and
so
that's
a
very
large
system,
well
over
500
megawatts
to
just
put
that
in
scale
here
in
San
Jose.
Our
peak
vote
is
about
a
gigawatt,
so
it
would
serve
about
half
of
San
Jose.
It's
very
large.
D
It's
going
to
replace
an
aging
natural
gas
plant
there.
So
this
is
a
pretty
exciting
opportunity,
of
course,
we're
interested
as
well
in
these
types
of
opportunities,
we're
looking
at
parrying
storage
with
solar
projects
that
were
investing
in,
but
also
looking
at
opportunities
where
we
compare
storage
with
existing
natural
gas
plants.
So
they
do
not
need
to
run
as
often
as
they
currently
do
to
reduce
our
emissions
and
then
also
to
meet
our
resource
adequacy
needs
and
control.
D
Our
costs
again
and
I
thought
we
talked
a
little
bit
about
micro
grids,
again,
I
think
it's
always
helpful.
There's
start
with
a
definition:
a
lot
of
people
have
different
ideas
about
what
a
micro
grid
is.
I,
also
think
a
picture
sometimes
really
helps
here.
So
let's
first
start
with
a
definition.
So
a
micro
grid
is
a
group
of
interconnected
votes
with
distributed
energy
resources
distributed
energy
resources
are
often
solar.
You
can
think
of
them
or
storage.
D
They
are
installed
in
a
clearly
defined
electrical
boundary
or
physical
boundary
and
they
act
as
a
single,
controllable
entity
with
respect
to
the
grid.
So
a
micro
grid
can
connect
and
disconnect
from
the
grid.
It's
usually
connected
to
the
grid,
which
is
important
to
note,
because
that
makes
it
more
economic,
but
it
can
operate
in
both
grid
connected
or
Island
mode,
and
that's
where
we
can
get
some
key
resiliency
benefits.
So
you
can
see
in
this
picture
here,
there's
a
lot
going
on,
but
just
start
from
the
top.
D
D
Sometimes
they
include
a
customer
energy
management
component,
and
this
is
where
the
grid
is
telling
customers
to
reduce
or
back
off
of
usage.
You
know
that
can
come
in
the
form
of
reducing
thermostats,
sometimes
reducing
refrigeration
words
to
help
balance
the
grid.
Another
component
could
be
home
energy
storage
system.
So
those
are
those
units
located
on
a
wall.
They
look
like
electrical
panels
that
can
provide
battery
storage
to
the
community,
and
then
sometimes
they
include
a
community
energy
storage.
D
So
you
can
see
that
sometimes
they
could
also
include
larger
utility
scale
generation
paired
with
storage,
to
help
balance
that
grid,
so
lots
of
different
examples
of
them
and
we'll
one
through
here
just
a
couple
of
benefits
to
it.
So
one
it
enables
grid
modernization.
It
enables
integration
of
Smart
Grid
technologies.
D
They
ensure
that
energy
supply
is
available
for
critical
loads
and
then
finally,
microgrids
can
support
the
macro
grid
by
handling
the
variability
of
renewables
locally
and
supplying
ancillary
services
and
here's
a
photo
of
a
micro
grid
up
in
Humboldt
County.
You
can
see
their
solar
paired
with
the
generation
on
site
there
in
terms
of
funding
the
California
Energy
Commission
has
given
about
85
million
to
build
20
new
micro
grids
across
the
state
through
the
epic
program.
One
example
here
is
a
community
college
out
in
Dublin
Pleasanton.
D
D
Another
example
here
is
the
Borrego
Springs
micro
grid
and
San
Diego's.
This
is
a
new
development.
It's
a
proof-of-concept
test
as
how
to
information
technologies
and
distributed
energy
resources.
How
can
they
increase
utility
assets,
utilization
and
reliability?
So
it's
important
to
note
that
this
is
a
combination
of
utility
and
privately
owned
resources.
D
It's
a
new
development
there
that
will
include
125
residential
storage
systems
paired
with
solar
on
the
new
development,
and
the
utility
will
also
install
different
technologies
to
enable
the
micro
grid
to
island
and
provide
reliability
there
in
San
Diego
and
the
next
I'll
turn
it
over
to
Walter.
Who
will
talk
about
our
own
city
facilities
and
how
we
can
make
those
more
resilient.
F
We
have
over
400
buildings
in
our
inventory
that
can
be
as
large
as
the
regional
wastewater
facility
all
the
way
down
to
a
smaller
park.
Restroom
of
those
400
or
so
facilities.
We've
identified
129
that
we
deem
critical
to
provide
those
essential
services
to
the
community
using
the
fema
definition.
A
critical
city
critical
facility
provides
services
and
functions
essential
to
community,
especially
during
and
after
a
disaster.
F
Examples
of
such
facilities
will
be
public
safety,
service
facilities,
police
facilities,
far-far
stations,
emergency
operation,
centers,
shelters
and
evacuation
sites,
drinking
water
facilities
and
wastewater
treatment
plants.
The
photo
that
you
see
there
is
a
snapshot
of
a
j/s
map
that
we've
created
of
the
city
that
depicts
the
129
critical
sites
that
we
have
within
the
city.
It
also
showcases
where
we
do
have
emergency
backup
generation
and
those
that
do
not.
There's.
A
F
For
those
129
critical
facilities,
97
currently
do
have
backup
generation
that
are
diesel,
fueled
generators.
There
are
a
few
that
are
propane,
fueled
generators
as
well.
Those
sites
include
the
police
and
fire
facilities,
the
airport
city
hall,
the
regional
wastewater
facility,
our
municipal
water
sites,
corporation
yards
and
our
radio
communications,
as
well
as
many
of
the
fire
stations.
F
Unfortunately,
we
do
not
have
sufficient
backup
generation
at
32
of
those
sites
which
includes
our
11
warming
and
cooling,
centers,
five
sanitary
pump
stations
to
animal
care
facilities,
which
includes
Prust
phone
and
happy
Hallows,
oh
and
14
of
our
fire
stations.
Those
fire
stations
do
have
a
small-scale
backup
power
generation.
It's
the
handheld
portable
generators
that
are
enough
to
power,
the
apparatus,
bay
doors
and
the
alarm
systems,
but
not
enough
to
sustain
the
operations
of
the
full
fire
stations.
F
F
We
have
phased
them
in
in
terms
of
a
smaller
scale,
portable
kits,
especially
for
the
warming
centers,
where
a
portable
generator
would
be
brought
on
site,
mobile
air
conditioning
units
lighting
towers
and
also
charging
stations
for
cell
phones
and
other
critical
plug
load
equipment.
We've
estimated
those
to
be
about
175,000
dollars
each
in
order
to
provide
more
of
the
emergency
services
and
critical
operations
for
those
sites.
F
We
do
have
a
priority
process
in
place
where
our
fueling
trucks
would
refuel
the
emergency
backup
generators
with
the
diesel
fuel.
However,
we
only
have
four
fueling
trucks
in
our
inventory
to
larger
scale
feeling
trucks
and
to
smaller
scale
ones
that
can
only
hold
100
gallons
each
it's
a
put
in
perspective.
The
emergency
generator
here
at
City
Hall
holds
700
gallons
of
diesel
fuel
when
running
at
the
capacity
that
we
have
it
in
we'll
run
for
17
hours
or
about
two
business
days
before
it
needs
to
be
refueled.
F
The
largest
of
our
fueling
trucks
is
1,800
gallons
in
capacity.
So,
depending
on
how
widespread
the
outage
could
be
and
the
duration,
our
trucks
will
be
out
there
running
consistently
and
there
will
be
scenarios
we
have
to
prioritize
which
sites
gets
the
fuel
first
and
how
we
refuel
those
sites
on
a
consistent
basis
from
a
cost
estimation
standpoint
in
order
to
bring
more
permanent
power
to
the
sites.
If
we're
using
the
portable
kits,
it
could
be
as
as
much
as
5.2
million
dollars
or
as
much
as
14
point
three
million
dollars.
F
If
we
have
the
more
permanent
mounted
generators
at
those
sites,
we
are
looking
at
some
aspects
of
permanent
renewable
generation,
Ford
B
facilities
as
well.
That
would
include
solar
energy
panels
as
well
as
battery
storage.
Those
estimations
are
between
fifteen
to
twenty
five
million
dollars
for
our
critical
sites
that
do
not
currently
have
backup
generation.
F
We're
trying
to
evaluate
this
as
well
to
see
what
the
city's
goal
as
we
move
towards
our
newer
facilities
being
constructed,
in
particular
with
the
measure
T
general
obligation,
bond
funding,
a
sport
in
particular
and
as
an
example
for
our
station
37.
We
are
moving
forward
in
designing
that
as
a
zero
net
carbon
or
CNC
facility,
where
no
gas
lines
are
actually
being
brought
into
that
facility
and
as
Laurie
shared
with
the
gas
lines.
F
The
emissions
standpoint
is
something
that
we're
looking
at
and
in
reducing
to
electrify
more
of
our
facilities
with
that,
though,
it
does
bring
more
of
a
reliance
on
the
electric
utility.
So
unless
we
have
more
diesel
generation
for
that
backup
or
looking
at
aspects,
renewable
storage,
renewable
energy
and
storage,
we're
gonna
be
kind
of
balancing
those
between
zero
net
carbon
and
energy
rezulin.
Seen
with
that,
the
presentation
will
be
brought
back
to
Lori
to
talk
about
the
municipal
ization
of
the
electric
utility.
D
There's
different
models
in
terms
of
how
you
two
miscible
utilities
are
structured,
there's
a
department
model
where
often
the
municipal
utility
reports
to
a
city
council.
This
is
how
Santa
Clara
Alameda
Palo
Alto
many
cities
are
operated,
probably
the
majority.
The
other
model
is
where
a
Municipal
Utility
District
serves
more
than
one
city
and
they
report
to
an
independently
elected
board.
So
the
the
best
example
there
is
mud
in
Sacramento.
D
They
serve
not
only
the
city
of
Sacramento,
but
many
other
cities
in
that
region
and
then,
in
terms
of
municipal
ization,
there
there's
two
different
concepts
that
have
been
tried
by
different
cities:
there's
targeted
municipal
ization,
where
a
city
will
partially
control
some
of
the
distribution
infrastructure
within
a
city.
Typically,
this
is
where
new
development
is
going
in
and
new
infrastructure
is
installed.
D
It's
incremental
of
course,
and
there
are
fewer
regulatory
hurdles
mainly
because
the
infrastructure
is
going
in
new
and
there
isn't
the
need
to
purchase
assets
from
the
incumbent
investor
owned
utility
and
then
there's
full
municipal
ization,
where
the
complete
control
of
the
infrastructures
under
the
city's
control
in
order
to
transition
from
an
investor
to
a
menial
utility.
That's
obviously
a
much
longer-term
strategy
and
there
are
many
challenges
to
implement
that
in
terms
of
resiliency
forming
a
municipal
utility
could
provide
some
benefits
and,
of
course,
owning
the
distribution
infrastructure
increases
our
autonomy.
D
There
is
a
potential
that
we
could
mitigate
against
wildfire
and
extreme
weather
risk
by
making
investments
in
hardening
the
electricity
infrastructure.
We
could
also
invest
in
larger
scale
micro
grids
that
could
provide
some
resiliency
benefits.
But
of
course
all
of
this
must
be
balanced
with
operational
readiness.
It
requires
appropriate
staffing
and
the
ability
to
operate
and
maintain
the
infrastructure
and
provide
billing
and
customer
services.
D
So
it
was
a
very
challenging.
However,
today's
matters
are
very
successful
municipal
utility
in
recent
years
Davis,
you
know,
spurred
an
efforts
in
the
early
2000s
to
join
smud
Sur
Yolo
County
voted
in
2006
to
do
that.
Pg&Amp;E
spent
over
eleven
million
dollars
in
the
county
to
prevent
that
vote
and
it
failed
by
a
very
narrow
margin.
D
However,
of
course
Davis
still
saw
benefits
primarily
because
they
are
right
next
to
smog.
That
offers
significantly
lower
rate,
so
they
started
to
study
if
it
was
possible
for
them
to
me
as
suppliers.
As
a
city,
PG&E
was
on
record
saying
that
their
electric
distribution
facilities
are
not
for
sale
and
they
ultimately
were
not
successful
because
they
ended
up
valuing
that
distribution
infrastructure
quite
differently
on
orders
of
magnitude.
D
What
was
a
bright
spot
of
success
is
that
Davis
did
form
Seca
several
years
ago.
That's
a
valley,
clean
energy.
So
now
they
are
on
the
generation
side,
seeing
some
local
benefits
from
the
CCA.
It's
important
to
note
that
currently
they
are
working
on
possibly
still
Mena
supply,
using
and
engaging
in
the
legislature
in
Sacramento
to
do
that
and
we
are
working
with
them
as
well
as
other
cities
that
are
considering
this.
D
Another
example,
of
course,
is
San
Francisco
San
Francisco
has
a
long
history
of
trying
to
mean
a
supplier,
so
it
was
on
the
ballot
in
1930,
1937,
1939
and
1941.
However,
it
didn't
pass,
they
did
a
feasibility
study
in
the
eighties.
That
was
also
rejected
in
2001,
by
a
very
narrow
margin
proposition
to
create
a
Municipal
Utility
District
field.
D
However,
on
June
5th
of
2018
San
Francisco
voters
did
a
proposition
a
which
allowed
them
to
issue
revenue
bonds
to
invest
in
electric
infrastructure
that
is
needed
to
help
them
invest
in
more
targeted
infrastructure.
And
then
it's
important
to
note
that
today,
of
course,
San
Francisco
is
very
much
on
record
wanting
to
Mena
suppliers
and
provide
an
offer
to
buy
that
infrastructure
as
part
of
the
bankruptcy
effort.
D
The
American
Public
Power
Association
is,
which
is
a
nationwide
Association
for
publicly
owned
utilities,
does
have
a
guideline
of
general
steps
to
Mena
suppliers
that
was
in
our
staff
report.
I'll
just
quickly
go
through
some
of
the
initial
steps,
so
one
there
needs
to
be
a
legal
evaluation
and
a
negotiation
strategy
that
particularly
looks
at
the
pathway
for
sale.
So
how
are
those
assets
going
to
be
a
choir?
D
So
there
would
be
a
ballot
measure
to
allow
for
those
revenue
bonds
that
we
be
paid
back
from
the
revenues
related
to
distribution
services,
not
not
typically,
the
general
fund
and
then
finally,
a
local
entity
needs
to
prepare
for
operations.
So
there
might
be
construction
of
distribution
infrastructure
that
needs
to
be
installed.
There
might
be
equipment
that
needs
to
be
purchased,
of
course,
there's
their
staff
and
electricians
and
other
workers
that
would
need
to
be
hired
in
an
organizational
plan
to
begin
operations.
D
So,
finally,
in
terms
of
next
steps,
but
we
we
see
or
the
the
next
steps
from
this
effort
is
number
one
to
continue
to
advocate
for
funding
from
both
PG&E
and
the
state
to
provide
backup
generation
for
all
of
our
critical
facilities.
And
importantly,
there's
cooling
centers
that
Walter
and
Rey
mentioned.
We
are
also
gonna,
continue
to
engage
in
the
legislature
and
in
the
governor's
office
for
more
regulatory
oversight
over
the
power
safety
shutdown
program
and
to
improve
the
viability
of
municipal
utility
options.
D
We're
also
gonna
evaluate
options
to
install
micro
grids
to
improve
resiliency,
we're
going
to
continue
to
incorporate
storage
into
our
resource
portfolio
mix,
as
well
as
develop
rates
and
outreach
to
our
customers
to
install
on-site
solar
and
batteries
and
reduce
that
evening
usage
improve
resiliency
and
advance
our
climate
smart
goals.
We
do
plan
to
come
back
to
Council
in
the
fall
with
rates
around
time
of
years
that
will
incentivize
some
of
these
efforts
and
with
that
I'm
happy
to
take
any
questions.
A
Well,
thank
you,
everybody
for
that
very
educational
presentation
and
really
appreciate
the
enormous
amount
of
work
that
went
into
that
I.
Think
typically,
we'd
probably
hire
two
or
three
consultants
to
handle
the
breadth
of
those
topics,
and
that's
really
was
taken
on
by
our
existing
staff
and
I
know
you
guys
are
doing
a
lot
in
addition
to
trying
to
provide
this
kind
of
information
and
delve
into
these
issues.
So
so
thank
you
for
for
all
that
you've
done.
I'm
gonna
save
most
of
my
questions
because
I
have
many
but
I
really
appreciate
in
particular
laureate.
A
You
know
there
was
a
lot
of
information
already
in
the
report,
but
appreciate
you
kind
of
kind
of
dumbing
it
down
a
little
bit
for
us
around.
You
know
the
basics,
from
substations
to
different
storage
options
and
understanding
those,
because
I
think
that's
just
very
helpful
for
us
to
understand
just
in
a
concrete
way
with
what
this
looks
like
taking
on
just
the
very
narrow
question
of
how
we
improve
resilience
in
the
short
run.
A
If
there's
a
real
emergency
and
every
barrier
community
is
clamoring
for
fuel
for
their
backup
facilities
at
the
same
time,
and
whether
or
not
people
really
honor
their
contracts,
when,
when
you
know
what
hits
the
fan
so
I
I'm
really
interested
in
and
storage
as
that
alternative
and
I'm
just
hopeful
to
understand
some
context
around
the
cost.
If
we
were
decide
hey
rather
than
investing
in
a
lot
of
generation,
it's
back
up
for
these
facilities.
We
go
the
route
that
we're
going.
A
F
Mayerle
Cardoso,
we
did
do
some
preliminary
investigation
in
regards
to
what
it
would
take
to
bring
solar
and
backup
storage
for
fire
station
37,
but
then
the
design
from
the
facility
there
our
store,
I'm.
Sorry
there
is
a
solar
energy
system,
this
plan
for
the
rooftop
of
the
facility
that
would
support
about
20%
of
the
facility's
electrical
demand.
There
was
some
evaluation
terms:
potential
battery
storage
as
well
to
you
for
the
conditions
of
an
outage.
F
We
like
to
plan
for
at
least
72
hours
of
operation
with
the
backup
system,
the
cost
for
a
solar
energy
battery
system,
for
that
would
be
significant,
we're
still
looking
at
the
numbers
in
terms
of
the
size
of
the
battery
systems.
We
are
already
looking
at
between
three
to
five
large
storage
containers,
those
conex
box
size
boxes
on
the
site,
so
there
are
site
constraints,
considerations
that
we
have
to
look
at
as
well
as
the
cost
for
for
the
system
as
well.
So.
A
A
And
then
finally,
I
know
we're
gonna.
There's
me
a
lot
of
questions
about
you
know
municipal
ization,
and
how
and
it's
a
very
long
road,
that's
very
clear
and
I've.
You
know
I
had
some
conversations
with
folks
in
Sacramento
and
it's
clear
that
there
are
strong
political
forces,
not
just
PG&E
against
that.
We
need
to
rest
with
I
understand.
Ibew
is
very
adamant
against
San
Francisco's
attempts
to
municipal
eyes,
so
they're
gonna
have
to
deal
with
that
issue.
A
Obviously
there's
a
lot
of
other
ones
as
we
think
about
the
targeted
municipal
ization
route,
given
the
fact
that
we
do
have
large
development
going
under
underway
now
in
downtown
and
deer
and
on
and
bear
yes
and
other
opportunities
for
us
to
start
to
think
about
how
we
dip
our
toe
in
this
water.
Does
it
require
us,
first
of
all,
to
have
a
ballot
measure
to
get
voter
approval
for
even
targeted
position
and,
secondly,
I
assumed
we
would
still
need
state
legislation
to
enable
us
to
control
distribution
of
cross
cross
rights
away.
D
D
G
G
D
You
think
that's
the
first
question
in
terms
of
the
revenue
bonds,
I,
think
that
really
depends
on
the
infrastructure
that
needs
to
be
installed.
So
you
know,
depending
on
there's,
there's
different
ways
to
structure
that
sometimes
new
infrastructure
often
is
paid
by
a
developer
and
either
turned
over
to
the
investor
owned
utility
and
sometimes
to
a
publicly
owned
utility.
There
might
be
additional
infrastructure
investments
that
are
publicly
owned.
Utility
may
need
to
make,
and
if
that
was
the
case,
we
may
need
to
issue
revenue
bonds.
D
That
is
primarily
one
of
the
reasons
that
San
Francisco
went
out.
For
that
proposition.
A
that
passed
about
a
year
ago
is
that
they
are
installing
a
higher
voltage
distribution
backbone
that
runs
from
candlestick
all
the
way
down
to
the
Ferry
Building
on
that
portion
of
the
city
and
in
order
to
install
that
distribution
infrastructure
to
connect
all
of
that
new
development
wood,
they
needed
revenue
bond
funding
for
that,
and
so
that's
why
they
went
to
the
voters
to
get
that
authority.
D
A
F
A
H
Thank
you
again.
This
was
very
comprehensive
and
thank
you
for
taking
the
time
with
meeting
with
my
office
as
well
beforehand,
but
I
just
really
kind
of
wanted
to
reiterate
sort
of
my
concerns
because
I
remember
gosh.
When
was
about
a
dozen
years
ago,
Matt
now,
maybe
a
little
bit
more.
When
we
had
the
heatwave
combined
with
the
power
outages
here
in
San
Jose,
it
was
a
nightmare.
H
We
had
the
fire
department
going
door-to-door
to
notify
populations
who
were
non-english
speaking
very
vulnerable
populations
with
seniors
and
small
children,
and
so
I
just
wanted
to
raise
that
flag
that
we
really
need
to
keep
those
vulnerable
populations
in
mind.
When
we
talk
about
sort
of
some
of
the
hard
solutions,
around
storage
and
some
of
these
other
issues,
we
have
a
housing
crisis
that
we
didn't
have
then,
so
we
have
some
very
densely
packed
apartments
and
homes
and
some
of
these
issues
as
well
so
I
just
wanted
to
raise
that
issue.
H
I
know:
emergency
services
has
been
working
on
this,
but
I
just
wanted
to
raise
that
other
issue
with
your
folks
as
well.
When
I
saw
the
map
of
the
facilities,
for
example,
there's
a
fire
station
in
my
district
fire
station
16,
it's
basically
in
a
converted
home
in
the
neighborhood
that
it's
and
they're
very
proud
to
serve
the
neighborhood
that
they
serve,
but
there's
really
they
don't
have
any
of
those
things
and
the
whole
community
would
go
to
them
for
help.
H
J
Thank
you
that
was
really
an
informative
presentation
from
all
three
of
you.
That
was
really
helpful.
You
helped
me
actually
understand
all
different
aspects
of
the
issue
that
we
face:
I'm,
shocked,
I,
guess
I
shouldn't
be
that
PG&E
wants
to
increase
its
rate
of
return
to
14
percent
from
the
10
plus
percent.
It's
given
now
by
authority
of
the
state
I
just
find
that
unconscionable,
given
the
situation
that
we're
in
as
a
result
of
fire
wildfires
that
they've
caused
I,
just
like
like
I,
don't
know
how
those
people
sleep
at
night.
That's
a
personal
note.
J
D
I
think
we
got
a
great
direction
from
the
council
back
in
June
and
around
the
advocacy
principles
and
I
really
think
that
is
the
the
first
step
as
as
we
teed
up
you
know,
there
there's
several
challenges,
one
in
terms
of
the
acquisition
process
of
the
assets
right
right
now
in
California,
there's
nothing
that
requires
an
investor
owned
utility
to
sell
their
assets.
So
the
only
process
is
eminent
domain
and
it's
a
very
long
legal
challenge.
D
We're
working
with
the
California
municipal
utilities
Association
some
of
these
other
cities
that
are
also
interested
in
this
option,
like
Sanford,
Cisco
and
Davis,
and
South
San
Joaquin
irrigation
district
they've
also
been
trying
to
municipal
eyes
for
about
a
decade,
so
we're
engaging
with
them
and
as
well
as
the
American
power
Public,
Power
Association
and
looking
at
legislation
that
has
worked
in
other
states
to
allow
local
entities
to
acquire
these
assets.
So
that's
one
aspect.
D
The
other
aspect,
I
would
say
that
the
principles
really
helped
is,
and
as
the
mayor
mentioned,
you
know
there
is
obviously
a
huge
labor
strategy
that
we're
gonna
have
to
put
together
and
build
a
broader
coalition
around
in
the
staff
report,
and
you
might
have
seen
there's
pretty
early
on
in
the
legislation.
The
legislative
session
this
year
when
PG&E
announced
the
bankruptcy
and
San
Francisco,
was
pretty
vocal
about
their
interest.
D
In
municipal
ization,
there
was
a
lot
of
anti
a
municipal
ization
materials
that
were
circulated
around
San
Francisco
and
that's
in
the
memo
and
the
life-sized
version
of
it
is
interesting.
It's
like
a
small
child
that
big
sure
that
you
know
makes
a
lot
of
assertions
around
the
you
know
the
pitfalls
of
a
Municipal
Utility
and
not
really
was
printed
by
the
labor
unions,
and
you
know
they
have
some
concerns
around
their
jobs
and
so
I
think
that's
a
strategy
that
we
would
have
to
work
on.
We
are
collaborating
with
San
Francisco.
D
On
that
you
know.
Obviously
there
would
have
to
be
a
union
strategy.
San
Francisco
is
you
know,
a
very
Pro,
Union,
City
and
so
they're
working
on
that
aspect
of
it,
I
think
we'll
continue
to
need
to
work
on
that
in
Sacramento
to
build
a
broader
coalition
around
that
and
then
finally,
we'll
need
to
work
on.
D
You
know
some
of
the
challenges
around
how
much
rate
payer
funds
that
PG&E
can
spend
to
lobby
against
a
campaign.
So
we
know
that
if
we
have
to
go
to
the
voters
for
revenue
bonds,
that's
what
happened
in
Davis
that
they
spent
millions
of
dollars
to
prevent
a
yes
vote
there
and
were
successful.
The
same
thing
has
happened
in
San.
Francisco
CCA
is
actually
got
legislation
several
years
ago
that
prevents
investor
owned
utilities
from
you,
ratepayer
funds
to
lobby
against
a
city
that
wants
to
form
a
CCA.
D
Smed
also
Davis
and
smug
face
that
when
Davis
tried
to
join
SMUD
smud
as
a
public
entity,
you
know
couldn't
spend
funds
to
to
mount
a
campaign
against
and-
and
there
was
a
pretty
significant
campaign
and
even
the
legislation
that
the
CCA
has
got
several
years
ago,
PG&E
spent
over
forty
million
dollars
to
try
to
defeat
that
they
didn't
actually
win,
but
it
was
a
significant
challenge.
Wow.
D
D
You
know
I,
think
in
terms
of
municipal
ization,
where
there's
new
development
there
may
be
and
I
say
short,
but
it's
probably
more
like
medium-term
opportunities
to
work
with
new
developers
there
to
possibly
own
that
infrastructure
and
what
that
would
allow
us
to
do
is
you
know
either
utilities
only
utilities
can
cross
the
public
right
away
and
so
often
larger
developments.
You
know
there's
many
streets
and
right
aways,
and
so
that
limits
the
amount
of
solar
and
storage
that
can
be
installed
in
that
geographic
area.
D
So,
by
owning
some
of
that
distribution
infrastructure,
we
could
enable
possibly
a
larger
micro
grid,
and
so
some
of
the
sections
of
the
city
would
have
some
more
resiliency
benefit.
So
you
know
we
think
that's
something
but
we're
actively
exploring.
We
will
definitely
come
back
to
council
when
we
have
some
more
firm
recommendations
around
that,
but
we
think
you
know
we
need
multiple
strategies
on
this,
both
short
medium
and
longer-term
and
obviously
full
Mena
civilization
is
a
longer
term
strategy.
J
D
It's
currently
under
construction,
but
my
understanding
might
actually
still
be
in
design,
but
my
understanding
is,
the
developer
will
pay
for
that.
So
you
you
see
that
across
California,
now
that
a
lot
of
new
developments
have
solar,
that's
actually
the
California
Building
Code
now
requires,
and
a
lot
of
developers
are
pairing
that
with
storage
on-site,
so
I
would
assume
that
that
development
that
developer
will
pay
the
same
developer
that
constructs
the
homes
will
also
install
the
solar
and
the
storage
to
enable
those
technologies.
Okay,.
J
Great,
thank
you
with
regards
to
bringing
our
facilities
up
to
handle
critical
power
short
power,
outages
that
do
not
have
them
the
30
to
175,000
to
bring
them
up,
including
the
service
kit.
How
quickly
could
that
be
implemented?
I'm
very
concerned
that
a
wild
fire
occurs
tomorrow,
we're
shut
down,
and
we
don't
have
the
capacity
in
our
cooling
centers
in
our
fire
stations
and
other
really
critical
places
to
our
residents
that
we
need
to
get
up
and
operating.
So
how
quickly
could
we
implement
that
great.
F
Question
I
councilman
Foley
we've
been
doing
that
research
as
well
to
you
with
the
heightened
concern
that
a
PSPs
event
can
happen.
Many
jurisdictions
and
larger
companies
are
looking
at
the
same
thing.
We've
been
doing.
Our
research
and
a
lot
of
the
stock
for
generators
have
been
going
pretty
quickly,
even
those
that
are
on
a
rental
basis
and
they
already
accounted
for
larger
corporations
that
are
just
proactively
spending
the
money
to
lease
out
those
rental
units
in
case
of
need.
So
the
stock
is
very,
very
short
at
this
point.
F
In
coordination
with
our
suppliers,
we've
gotten
some
feedback
that
it
could
take
several
months
or
upwards
of
a
year.
It's
actually
get
these
equipments
and
get
them
procured
built
and
then
delivered
out
to
the
city.
So
it
is
a
very
long
timeline
to
get
this
type
of
equipment
in
place,
not
just
because
of
the
current
storage
as
well
as
the
time
that
it
takes
to
build
the
infrastructure
as
well.
J
J
F
And
we've
already
built
that
in
place
as
well.
We
do
have
ten
portable
generators
in
our
inventory
and
in
our
stock.
It
is
an
evaluation
that,
depending
on
the
size
of
the
generator
and
the
electrical
need
of
the
particular
facility
that
we're
bringing
it
to,
we
need
to
right-size
those
as
well.
We
don't
want
to
be
over
heal
and
we
don't
want
to
have
a
under
capacity
for
the
generators
are
bringing
in.
J
You
let
us
know
which
cooling
centers
I'm,
assuming
some
of
those
are
community
centers,
which
ones
have
the
backups
and
which
ones
don't.
It
would
be
really
important,
because
in
our
emergency
plan
we
are
to
Camden.
Community
Center,
for
example,
is
our
congregating
area
if
it
doesn't
have
a
cooling
center.
The
backup
that
is
functional,
I,
wouldn't
want
folks
to
head
over
there,
thinking
they're
going
to
benefit
from
anything
and
only
to
find
grid
and
heat
when
it's
supposed
to
be
cool
out.
Yes,.
F
J
Also,
not
what
I
wanted
to
hear.
Okay.
Thank
you.
I
appreciate
that
I
think
the
the
backup
generation
is
really
critical
that
we
do
what
we
can
as
quickly
as
possible.
We
don't
know
when
a
wildfire
emergency
is
going
to
occur.
Nor
do
we
know
when
an
earthquake
is
going
to
occur.
That
will
also
result
in
the
same
complications,
the
same
problems
and
the
same
risk
to
our
residents
having
survived
or
Thor
lost.
J
My
house
in
the
1989
earthquake
I
know
what
happens
when
you're
in
gridlock
and
you
can't
resolve
the
problem
and
and
how
everyone's
trying
to
get
home
at
the
same
time
and
our
infrastructure
is
overloaded.
In
those
days
our
cell
phones
didn't
work
the
and
may
not
this
time
either
and
that's
a
whole
other
issue.
I
understand,
but
it
I
would
encourage
us
to
make
that
a
priority
to
install
the
backups
that
we
need
to
at
the
cooling,
centers
and
other
places
that
folks
are
going
to
need
to
go.
Thank
you.
E
E
One
thing
I
would
say
before
I
ask
a
few
questions.
Is
that
I
think
we're
we're
in
a
very
unfortunate
and
opportune
time,
given
what's
happening
with
PG&E
and
so
I
just
wanted
to
express
very
publicly
that
I'm
totally
supportive
of
moving
forward
with
their
essentially
having
everything
on
the
table
to
figure
out
figure
out?
If
it's
bringing
it,
you
know
the
energy,
the
transmission
and
all
that
infrastructure
in-house
and
so
I
appreciate
all
the
work
you're
doing
and
try
to
figure
out
what
paths
are
available
and
what
doors
we
should
be
walking
through.
E
So
I
appreciate
that
a
few
questions
one
is
the
the
eighty
four
point:
five
million
dollars
that
was
already
I,
guess
been
allocated
through
the
epic
program.
I
think
you
have
it
on
the
what
I'm
curious
about
is.
Are
there
did
the
city
of
the
same
as
they
receive
any
of
that
funding
did
or
and
if
not,
how
do
we
make
sure
we're
sort
of
in
the
ball
game
to
receive
some
of
that
money?
Sure.
D
Not
sure
about
that,
but
also
part
of
the
advocacy
work
that
we're
doing
in
Sacramento
is
around
ensuring
there's
more
funding
for
critical
facilities
and
microgrids
and
resiliency
efforts.
You
know
you're
right,
there's
many
challenges
from
PG&E
and
you
know
there's
many
stakeholders
that
are
looking
to
improve
resiliency.
So
that's
a
large
amount
of
the
efforts
that
we're
spending
time
on
in
Sacramento
to
advocate
for
funding.
Okay,.
E
Thank
you.
The
other
question
I
have
is
around
something
you
mentioned.
I,
think
you,
you
stated
it
very
well,
because
I
think
my
sense
of
a
micro
grid
was
oh
well,
it's
just
not
connected
to
the
grid,
but
in
fact
it
is
connected
to
the
grid
it
just
it
has.
As
far
as
my
understanding
everything
I've
seen,
it
has
the
ability
to
sort
of
be
an
island
if
necessary,
right,
okay,.
D
E
D
D
So
some
important
things
are
just
note
about
electricity
is
that
it
always
has
to
be
balanced
right,
there's
always
load
and
generation,
and
at
the
macro
level
that's
what
the
California
Independent
System
Operator
is
doing
so
they're
powering
up
and
powering
down
all
of
the
time.
But
what
a
micro
grid
can
do
is
to
do
that
locally
and
so
there's
less
burden
on
the
on
the
larger
power
grid
and.
D
Yeah,
it's
similar
cost
savings
to
if
you
were
to
install
solar
and
storage
on
your
house
right,
you're,
using
less
electricity
from
PG&E
or
San
Jose,
clean
energy
and
so
you're
able
to
lower
your
own
bill,
and
so
those
same
benefits
benefit
a
micro
grid.
So
if
you
think
of
a
university
campus,
many
campuses
have
tried
this
and
been
a
successful
model
where
the
that
campus
can
lower
its
electricity
cost,
because
it's
generating
more
electricity
on-site
verses
from
the
utility.
D
Now,
of
course,
there's
no
free
lunch
in
order
to
get
those
benefits,
they
have
to
invest
in
that
infrastructure
right.
So
there's
the
capital
costs
of
this,
the
solar
and
the
storage
that
they've
had
to
install
and
either
they
financed
that
through
bonds
or
cash
or
in
the
case
of
some
residents.
Some
of
it
can
be
financed
through
lease
payments.
So
all
of
that
needs
to
be
balanced.
Okay,.
E
The
other
question
I
had
it
may
be
a
silly
question,
but
what
what,
when
does
a
micro
micro
grid,
cease
becoming
a
micro
grid?
When
does
it
become
a
macro
grid?
For
lack
of
a
better
word,
you
know,
I
mean,
is
it?
Is
it
geography?
Is
it?
Is
it
the
amount
of
generation?
Is
it
store?
I
mean
trying
to
understand
sort
of
when
we're
not
talking
about
micro
grids
any
longer
yeah.
D
I
think
when
we're
not
talking
about
microgrids,
you
can
think
of
you
know
the
status
quo
today.
Right
we're.
You
know
in
my
neighborhood
there's
local
distribution
lines
that
connect
all
of
the
houses.
Some
people
might
have
solar.
But,
however-
and
you
know
those
benefits-
it's
often
grid
connected,
but
it
can't
island
if
there's
a
power
outage,
you
know
we're
all
just
without
electricity,
so
I
would
say.
D
The
status
quo
is
really
when
we're
not
talking
about
a
micro
grid
and
when
you're
talking
about
a
micro
grid,
I
think
the
main
benefit
is
in
a
power
outage.
It
can
island
and
provide
those
resiliency
benefits
and
also
enable
more
solar
and
more
storage,
so
I
would
think
it
as
most
of
the
infrastructure
you
see
today
is
without
a
micro
grid.
So.
E
For
example,
the
city
of
Santa
Clara,
has
you
know
their
own
generation?
They
do
everything
PG&E
does
for
Santa
Clara
if
you're
looking
at
the
state
of
California,
they're,
quite
foreign,
seemingly
an
island
sure,
and
so
would
they
be
considered
a
micro
grid
of
sorts
within
the
broader
infrastructure
and
I.
Guess
that's
what
I'm
getting.
D
You
can
think
of
it
like
that.
You
can
think
of
it.
I
think
one
of
the
challenges
there,
where
yes
you're
right,
that
they
have
some
benefits
with
you
know,
say
there
was
a
larger
cascading
outage
that
you
know
potentially
de-energize
the
rest
of
the
Bay
Area.
The
benefits
that
Santa
Clara
has
is
that
they
have
some
gasifier
generations
similar
to
Metcalf,
but
we
haven't
here
in
San
Jose,
but
they
own
the
distribution
wires
and
they
don't.
D
They
don't
have
enough
generation
to
power
everything
in
Santa
Clara,
but
because
they
own
that
distribution
infrastructure
they
possibly
may
be
able
to
power
some
of
their
critical
facilities.
We've
been
meeting
with
them
and
and
they're
also
working
through
this.
It's
not
it's
not
clear,
and
you
know
how
much
more
resilient
they
will
be
because
they
are
connected
to
the
larger
macro
grid.
D
So
I
wouldn't
call
that
a
traditional
micro
grid
where
they
can
just
island
and
everybody
in
Santa
Clara
will
have
power,
but
they
certainly
have
some
benefits
and
that
there's
generation
and
they
own
the
distribution.
The
other
benefit
is
that
when
the
grade
comes
back
up,
they
may
be
able
to
supply
power
and
get
that
power
up
more
quickly
than
we
may
with
PG&E,
because
PG&E
will
be
inspecting
and
looking
at
a
larger
service
territory.
Okay,.
H
E
Right:
okay,
thank
you.
I
appreciate
that
the
other
question
I
have
is
related
to
some
of
the
other
and
I
think
the
gentleman
from
Public
Works
and
maybe
nc'
answers
some
of
the
questions,
but
reminding
me
the
cooling
centers.
You
know
I'm
thinking
about
the
overnight
warming
locations,
for
example,
they've
moved
locations,
and
so
can
you
remind
me
the
cooling
centers
have
they
have
we've
been
moving
them
around
I
know
we
just
brought
Bascom
online
and
so
I'm
curious
how
we
handle
that
right.
E
K
Remit-
this
is
a
really
good
question
and
I
think
it
also
has
been
raised
several
times.
I
want
to
outline
how
we
would
approach
it
in
the
case
of
an
emergency.
So
you
understand
that.
Well.
This
is
absolutely
critical
that
we
think
about
this
in
the
short
and
medium
term.
We
have
a
way
that
we'll
handle
this.
So
if
we
are
in
a
situation
either
through
a
planned
power,
shut
off
or
an
earthquake,
that
requires
us
to
activate
those
centers
for
Mascara
sheltering
heating
or
cooling.
K
E
I
appreciate
that
I
guess
the
one
thing
that
comes
to
mind,
as
you
were
talking
is:
is
there
and
I'm
sure
you've?
You
guys
have
thought
about
this,
but
oh
there
are
circumstances
in
which
there
such
a
disastrous
event
that
it
impacts
the
Bay
Area,
and
so
one
would
say
those
folks,
maybe
wouldn't
be
able
to
provide
them.
Some
of
the
folks
wouldn't
be
able
to
provide
the
mutual
aid
so.
K
Yeah,
this
is
literally
the
thing
that
keeps
me
up
at
night,
and
this
is
where
we
look
at
things
like
using
the
airport
as
a
bridge
in
to
bring
in
the
necessary
equipment
the
ability
to
helicopter
things
in
to
where
you
need
them
to
be
all
of
those
kinds
of
things
that
we
think
through
in
the
case
of
a
major
disaster
where
the
transportation
routes
are
paralyzed
and
bridges
are
out.
So
part
of
what
we're
also
looking
at
is
both
with
this
power.
Safety
shutoff
and
the
larger
plan
is
what
are
those
transportation
corridors?
K
What
are
those
routes
through
and
who
are?
Who
has
the
equipment
and
the
capability
to
handle
those
one
of
the
one
of
the
lessons
learned
from
the
series
of
a
continuing
series
of
hurricanes
that
the
southeast
in
particular
has
affected
is
the
need
to
do
that
kind
of
activation
early
and
forcefully
and
to
really
frankly.
In
my
opinion,
one
of
the
things
I
was
actually
talking
about.
K
My
father
with
my
father
about
this
is
to
make
sure
that
we
are
engaging
deeply
with
the
military
capabilities
that
are
out
there,
because
the
organization
that
has
the
ability
to
do
this
kind
of
forward
lift
stuff
move.
These
resources
in
place
in
North
American
context
is
really
the
National
Guard
and
the
military,
and
so
not
just
relying
on
adjacent
police
and
fire,
but
going
immediately
to
where
we
need
that
and
asking
for
those
kinds
of
resources
to
be
deployed
in
the
case
of
a
large-scale
catastrophe.
Ok,.
E
Thank
you
so
much
I
appreciate
it
and
then
just
one
last
question
I.
You
know
just
out
of
the
memo
I
think
on
page
14
says:
well:
32
facilities
do
not
have
general
or
have
sufficient
levels,
our
backup.
Actually
that's
the
last
part
of
the
sentence,
but
that
really
stood
out
to
me
and
so
what
I'm
curious
about
a
do?
We
I'm
sure
we
have
an
inventory
as
to
where
those
32
locations
are
I.
E
F
E
E
D
That's
a
great
question,
and
it
probably
requires
a
little
bit
of
explanation
so
in
California,
if
you
are
using
a
device
that
requires
a
lot
of
medical
device,
that
requires
a
lot
of
electricity.
You
call
you
qualify
for
a
special
rate
that
basically
lowers
your
utility
bill,
because
you
have
a
medical
condition
and
in
order
to
get
that
rate,
you
sign
up
as
a
medical,
baseline
customer.
Now,
that's
just
an
economic
rate
right.
It
was
never
intended
for
this
type
of
purpose
to
identify
all
customers
that
might
be
vulnerable
in
an
outage.
It
was
medical.
D
What's
going
on
and
more
importantly,
that
they
have
a
place
to
go,
so
they
have
said
that
they
will
call,
and
they
will
also
Dornoch
those
medical,
baseline
customers.
But
you
know
an
area
that
we
have
identified.
That's
particularly
concerning
is
there
isn't
you
know
there?
They
are
not
telling
them
well,
where
should
they
go
to
plug
in?
And
so
that's
why?
We
think
the
cooling
centers
are
very
important
in
terms
of
a
place
for
them
to
go,
because
if
they
don't
have
another
place,
what
they
might
do
is
just
call
911
and.
E
D
No,
they
identified
to
be
on
that
rate
and
then
I
would
just
say
the
other
challenge
with
PG&E.
As
you
know,
myself
and
many
people
have
a
PG&E
account
for
many
many
years
right.
Maybe
they
got
their
poesy
account
20
years
ago,
and
their
contact
information
is
not
up-to-date,
and
so
that's
another
challenge
just
with
customers
generally,
is
that
they
might
not
have
a
current
address,
especially
now
that
a
lot
of
us
receive
bills
electronically.
They
might
not
have
the
right
phone
number.
E
To
really
think
about
this
is
you
know:
I
recently
got
appointed
to
the
smart
cities
committee
and
I
know
we
often
talk
about
big
data
and
how
to
use
data,
and
so
I'm
curious
about
is
in
in
the
many
many
tentacles
that
the
city
has
and
people
in
the
residence
lives
in
every
way
we
touch
residents,
I
gotta.
Imagine
there's
a
way
to
get
some
of
this
data,
or
maybe
it
already
existent
to
flesh
it
out.
So
that
way
we
can
do
our
part
and
and
supplement
what
P
Jeanne's
doing,
which
I
believe
is
inadequate.
C
Have
thought
about
that?
Ray
Reardon,
director
of
Emergency
Management?
It's
a
good
question,
because
one
of
the
key
things
that
we've
been
doing
is
working
with
the
county.
There's
a
Public
Health
and
all
some
conditions,
that's
their
responsibility.
But
we
see
our
our
engagement
with
that
very
much.
C
So
we've
been
working
with
the
county
on
their
lists
and
they
manage
that
because
a
lot
of
those
has
to
do
with
HIPAA
laws
and
what
information
could
be
shared
or
not,
but
we
have
been
working
with
them
to
better
understand
the
vulnerable
populations
that
are
out
there
that
do
require
the
medical
devices
we've
also
been
working
with
the
fire
departments
also
been
table
topping.
How
can
they
support
care
facilities
and
other
homes
that
that
may
lose
power
to
that?
C
E
We
live
in
a
very
diverse
city,
diverse
County,
and
so,
even
when
you
reach
people,
these
extra
layers
of
language
of
just
culture,
just
a
lot
of
different
things,
and
so
I,
don't
envy
the
work
ahead
of
you,
because
it's
gonna
be
very
challenging
and
so
I'll
just
end
with
this
question
is:
when
do
you
think
because
I'd
like
to
see
sort
of
if
there
is
in
fact
an
increase
in
people
that
we've
identified
and
as
that
work
sort
of
moves
forward?
Is
there
gonna
be
a
space
in
which
you
would
tell
us
hey?
E
C
E
A
A
A
Do
I
mean
I
know
this
would
probably
be
very
dependent
on
demographics,
particularly
around
age,
but
even
have
a
ballpark
sense
about
whether
that's
about
the
right
number
or
not
I.
Imagine
other
cities
would
have
if
we
were
confident.
Other
cities
did
a
good
job
of
identifying
such
residents.
I
mean
we
look
at
our
number
it's
around.
What
seven
tenths
of
one
percent
of
the
population
is
there
any
way
we
can
know
by
comparison?
Are
we
particularly
low
relative
to
what
we
think
the
numbers
are
there
identified
in
other
cities,
I
mean.
D
In
terms
of
just
medical,
baseline
raids,
I,
don't
think
so,
but
in
terms
of
the
more
complex
issue
of
what
other
customers
author
are
gonna
have
needs,
you
know,
I,
don't
know,
I,
think
we're
early
in
that,
and
you
know
many
cities
have
faced
these
challenges.
You
know.
Another
challenge
is
just
is
the
the
end
customer
for
PG&E
right
some
communities?
D
You
can
think
of
mobile
home
parks
where
there's
a
meter
in
the
front
in
many
residents
behind
that
meter
that
you
know
the
utility
would
not
have
information
about,
they
might
just
send
the
bill
to
the
mobile
home
park
owner
right.
There's
those
types
of
challenges
that
have
been
challenging
for
many
cities
as
these
public
safety
power.
Shutoff
events
have
happened,
just
communicating
to
all
of
the
people.
D
That
might
be
impacted,
so
you
know
I
would
think
we
have
done
some
early
planning
on
that
in
terms
of
our
communications
plan
and
the
Tabletalk
precis
is
that
Ray
has
said
and
and
I'll
say
the
other
thing
that
we're
doing
to
supplement
those
is.
We
have
been
messaging
emergency
preparedness,
both
on
San
Jose
screen
energy
site,
and
the
city
has
been
doing
this
as
well,
and
a
lot
of
good
work.
That's
gone
into
that
with
Rosario
Thank.
A
G
Thank
you.
A
lot
of
my
questions
have
been
answered
and
I
appreciate.
My
colleagues
asking
those
I
think
we're
all
kind
of
on
the
same
baseline.
If
you
will,
in
terms
of
information,
so
I'm
going
to
start
with
with
the
backup
generation,
so
I
know
that
PG&E
has
not
yet
agreed
to
provide
any.
Is
there
any
ways
way
that
we
can
make
a
case
to
the
CPUC
and
compel
them
maybe
show
them
our
threat
assessment
and
how
vulnerable
our
city
would
be?
Is
that
is
that
a
viable
path?
It.
B
Counts
from
arenas
we
were
just
talking
about
that
yesterday
and
maybe
I'll
ask
Louisa
to
kind
of
comment
on
that.
Rae
has
led
a
series
of
meetings
with
PG&E
we've
been
very
clear
about
our
needs.
We've
communicated
to
them
that
the
Public
Utilities
Commission
says
they
have
a
responsibility
in
that
area.
So
we
are
asking
our
attorneys
to
kind
of
engage
their
attorneys
on
that
and.
D
B
G
Thank
you
Jim.
Yes,
we're
in
the
process
of
setting
up
a
meeting
with
PG
knees,
Council
to
talk
specifically
about
backup
generation
and
their
duty
under
the
CPUC
interim
D
energization
guidelines.
In
addition
to
that,
we
are
engaging
the
CPUC
level
in
two
main
proceedings.
The
first
proceeding
is
the
wildfire
mitigation
plan.
We
filed
comments
on
behalf
of
the
city
on
August
21st.
G
In
those
comments,
we
requested
the
CPUC
to
direct
PG&E
to
provide
further
analysis
of
the
risk
and
mitigation
activities
related
to
D
energy
de-energization
events
that
may
cause
a
blackout
in
areas
such
as
San
Jose.
We
will
continue
to
participate
in
the
proceedings
specifically
on
the
September
19th
there's
a
workshop
in
which
PG&E
will
present
its
a
wildfire
mitigation
plan,
and
we
will
have
an
opportunity
to
ask
questions.
More
importantly,
we
are,
we
will
engage
in
the
de-energization
proceeding
itself.
The
CPSU
recently
opened
the
phase
2
of
this
proceeding.
G
G
Unfortunately,
the
cost
issues
are
not
being
considered
quite
yet,
but
the
CPC
issued
a
list
of
questions
on
several
topics
which
include
de-energization
strategy
and
decision
making,
process
and
de-energization
of
transmission
lines.
So
we
are
coordinating
with
staff
at
this
point
to
answer
to
those
to
provide
an
answer
to
those
questions
and
will
continue
to
engage
with
the
CPUC.
Thank
you.
It
sounds
like
it's.
It's
a
whole
process
in
itself
to
to
get
that
going
so
I
appreciate
it.
G
I
think
the
silver
lining
and
in
the
debriefing
with
with
Laurie
the
silver
lining,
is
now
we
have
this
assessment
plan.
We
now
know
if
the
big
one
hits
where
we
are
vulnerable
and,
if
anything
I
think
that's
our
silver
lining
right
now
we
have
this
plan.
Now
we
can
have
this
plan
I'm
gonna,
move
on
to
the
the
solar
program.
I
know
as
part
of
next
steps,
you're
going
to
incentivize
some
customers-
and
my
question
was
it:
is
this
part
of
the
when
we
incentivize
the
customers?
D
Sir,
a
provide
a
little
preview,
but
we'll
talk
about
it
more
when
we
bring
that
item
to
Council
bit,
PG&E
is
moving
toward
time-of-use
rates
and
so
I
think
we've
talked
a
little
bit
about
this
before.
But
what
that
means
is
right
now:
customers
pay
a
rate
and
it
doesn't
change
by
the
hour
of
the
day,
most
customers
that
that's
changing
toward
where
they'll
provide
different
pricing
at
different
hours
of
the
day
and
really
the
thought
and
the
policy
behind
that
where
the
CPUC
is
pushing
municipal
utilities.
To
do
that
really
relates
to
that
video.
D
We
saw
in
the
duct
curve
where
we
want
to
provide
economic
signals
to
customers
who
reduce
their
usage
at
night
when
the
dirtiest
power
plants
are
operating
and
the
sellers
come
offline,
and
so,
like
all
other
PG&E
rates,
we're
gonna,
follow
that
and
offer
our
discount,
but
we'll
bring
that
to
Council,
and
we
think
those
rates
will
incentivize
solar
and
storage.
The
other
thing
that
we'll
do
is
complete
the
final
enrollment
and
San
Jose
clean
energy.
Those
are
the
net
energy
metering,
customers
and
present
a
plan
to
council
around.
D
G
D
We're
in
the
early
stages
of
that,
and
we
will
bring
a
programs
roadmap
to
council
and
that's
certainly
something
that
will
be
included
in
there-
is
options
for
renewable
energy
resources
and
how
we
can
partner
both
the
rates
and
educational
items
and
then
also,
you
know,
perhaps
providing
some
targeted
incentives
to
your
customers
that
are
most
economically
challenged
with
those
technologies.
So
that
will
be
a
roadmap
that
will
bring
in
this
spring.
D
G
So
so
I
look
forward
to
that.
I
think
it
would
be
great
to
also
maybe
target
some
of
those
who
are
most
vulnerable
with
what
some
of
these
features,
because
I
know
I
get
that
this
strategy
that
you've
laid
out
for
us
is
multi-layered
and
in
part,
is
it's
onerous
on
on
homeowners,
and
that
part
of
it
is,
is
what
we're
gonna
do
and
with
new
development
and
then
in
question
of
how
we're
going
to
store
or
offer
backup
generations.
G
Okay,
so
I
I
know
that
you
mirror
what
PG
PG
need
does
with
their
care
program.
But
I
I
saw
that
you
that
you
recognize
that
there's
about
a
15%
difference
or
15%
of
resident,
that's
still
qualify
for
low-income
I,
understand
we're
still
in
our
early
stages,
and
we
are
trying
to
target
that
2020
to
mark
for
the
for
that.
120
days
of
reserve,
will
you
when
will
you
be
able,
or
when
will
we
be
able
to
to
target
that
15%
yeah.
D
I
think
there
are
some
things
that
we
can
do
to
try
to
leverage
funding
from
other
sources
there,
one
of
the
things
and
therein
that
you'll
hear
the
transportation
and
Environment
Committee
on
climate
smart.
There
are
some
statewide
programs
that
provide
funding
to
your
low-income
residents
to
help
with
solar
and
storage
grid.
Alternatives
is
a
nonprofit
similar
to
Habitat
for
Humanity,
where
they
install
solar
and
storage
on
home,
so
we're
hoping
to
connect
residents
to
those
opportunities.
D
So
you'll
see
that-
and
you
know
both
in
our
recommendations
around
climate
smart,
but
also
in
our
programs
roadmap,
but
I
would
really
say-
and
you
know
it's
probably
2022
and
beyond,
when
we
can
offer
some
targeted
discounts
to
those
customers.
It's
definitely
something,
though,
that
we're
already
starting
to
do
analysis.
D
Work
on
you
know,
as
you
might
imagine,
a
lot
of
CCA's
take
different
approaches
to
rate
discounts
and
investments
in
programs
that
they
provide
and
there's
no
right
answer,
there's
a
lot
of
different
options,
and
so
it
we
think
it's
important
to
frame
that
up
for
council
and
get
your
input
orally
on,
so
that
when
we
do
have
funding
available,
we're
ready
to
go,
but
certainly
one
of
the
things
that
we're
considering
here
in
San
Jose.
Just
because
of
you
know
the
population
and
the
type
of
customers
that
we
serve
from.
B
D
About
in
the
$40,000
annual
income
range,
but
then
there's
a
pretty
large
population
about
15
to
20
percent
of
our
customers
that
are
below
approximately
about
eighty-five
thousand
a
year
for
a
household
of
three,
which
is
low
income
here
in
the
Bay
Area
that
are
not
eligible
for
any
type
of
discount
on
their
utility
bill.
And
so
we
do
see
that
as
a
as
a
need
and
possibly
an
area
where
we
can
provide
some
benefits
to
those
customers.
I'm
really.
G
G
D
Have
that
number
off
the
top
of
my
head,
but
several
dozen
substations
within
the
area-
and
you
know
that's
why
we
put
the
picture
in
the
presentation
around
that.
Often
they
get
confused
for
generation
plans,
but
their
transformers
that
are
stepping
down
the
voltage
until
they
were
voltage
to
serve
distribution.
I'm.
G
Learning
so
much
about
energy
generation,
I
appreciate
it.
That
was
I.
Think
that's
the
end
of
my
questions.
I
appreciate
all
the
work
that
you're
done
I,
especially
the
the
work
that
you've
condensed
in
ten
into
ten
weeks.
I
heard
earlier.
That
normally
would
take
about
six
to
nine
months,
and
so
thank
you
so
much
for
reprioritizing
your
workload
for
allowing
us
to
have
this
assessment.
This
threat
assessment
completed
so
that
we
can
take
the
next
steps
and
make
sure
that
we're
prepared.
Thank
you.
F
That's
what
we're
considering
really
bare-bones
just
to
keep
the
cooling
aspects
in
place
for
the
full
breadth
of
the
operations
of
the
senator,
whether
it's
the
kitchen,
the
operations,
the
lighting,
the
PCs
things
I
nature!
That's
where
that
bigger
load
comes
in
bigger
storage
for
for
fuel,
etc.
That
is
just
to
keep
the
main
operations
in
place
for
those
centers
as
we
go
along
so
I.
I
I
F
It's
really
about
site
conditions
as
well,
so
we
want
to
make
sure
that
whatever
we
are
putting
in
it
is
going
to
work.
It's
gonna
be
efficient.
It's
going
to
supply
what's
needed,
so
without
that
initial
dedicated
engineering
side
of
it,
we
will
need
those
soft
costs,
but
you're
correct,
depending
on
what
is
available.
If
it
is
a
right
fit,
we'll
definitely
look
into
that
as
well,
and
the
million
dollars
is
a
rough
cost
estimate.
It
could
be
lower,
but
we
wanted
to
ensure
that
if
needed,
we
have
that
yeah.
E
So
if
I
could
just
weigh
in
a
little
bit
Walter
just
to
kind
of
help
out,
so
certainly
we
would
be
buying
a
product
that
technically
is
off-the-shelf,
but
it
would
be
designed
to
meet
the
load,
and
so
these
these
generators
are
extremely
large.
We
have
them
and
many
of
our
fire
stations
right
now,
I,
don't
know
what.
How
would
you
describe
the
size
of
it?
You
know
20
feet
by
10
feet,
wide
very
large
pieces
of
equipment,
but
yeah.
We
don't
specifically
design
the
piece
of
equipment.
E
We
just
make
sure
the
piece
of
equipment
can
meet
the
night,
the
needs
of
the
facility
and
that's
where
the
design
comes
in.
Obviously,
there
is
supporting
infrastructure,
a
pad
and
and
conduits
and
such
that
go
into
it.
I
think
what
Walters
right?
A
million
is
very
rough
I'm
sure
some
would
be
less
and
maybe
some
might
be
more,
but
I
think
that's
kind
of
an
average
extremely
rough
order
of
magnitude
estimate.
Okay,.
I
I,
just
you
know,
okay,
this
is
not
my
area
of
expertise,
so
I'm
questioning
out
of
as
a
novice,
but
nothing
I
can
find
for
off-the-shelf,
even
semi
truck
trailers
sized
you
know,
generators
come
anywhere
near
a
million
dollars
and
I
understand
determining
the
load,
but
certainly
they
make
off-the-shelf
generators
that
work
for
different
loads
right.
So
you
determine
your
load
and
then
you
go
look
on
the
shelf
for
the
right
generator
that
matches
that
load.
I
That's
not
you
know
to
explain
the
pad
or
the
the
conduits
that
we
might
need
to
be
done,
but
that's
different.
It
sounded
like
you
know.
There
was
a
big
estimate
here
for
some
of
these
generators
and
we're
also
not
talking
all
of
these
facilities
extremely
large
right
somewhere.
Community,
centers
and
stuff.
I
also
would
remind
us
that
we're
talking
about
during
an
emergency
situation
right
we're
not
talking
about
business
as
usual
right,
so
we're
not
talking
about.
Let's
just
go
around
our
day
day-to-day
and
utilize.
I
The
same
amount
of
you
know
electricity
that
we
would
be
using
we're
in
an
emergency
situation.
So
we
would
hope
that
people
are
changing
right.
A
little
bit
of
how
you
might
be
responding,
and
we
sort
of
say
all
right:
what
is
the?
What
is
the
necessity
that
we
need
to
actually
run
these
facilities?
I
You
know
for,
for
a
you,
know,
a
certain
period
of
time
during
an
emergency
type
situation
and
and
then
and
then
go
from
there
versus
just
what
looked
like
what
it
sounded
like,
because
I
was
looking
at
the
screen
going
wow.
That
is,
it's
kind
of
scaring
us
with
a
with
a
14
million
dollar
price
tag
right
on
I'm
trying
to
shore
up
some
of
these
other
facilities
and
I
appreciate
the
sort
of
the
initial
approach
of
well,
let's
at
least
get
some
of
these
portable
smaller
generators
right
to
do
the
bare-bones.
Yes,.
E
Just
tell
you
from
my
own
experience
installing
the
generators
and
the
fire
stations
in
the
last
Bob
bond
program
was
quite
complicated,
so
generators
need
to
be
operated,
I
think
we're
probably
operating
them
once
a
month
or
some
sort
of
standard
like
that.
The
environmental
considerations
on
the
operation
of
each
generator
is
pretty
significant
in
terms
of
how
we
tenuous
sound
and
emissions
and
all
of
these
things
and
I
think
that's
what
Walter
is
getting
to
the
site.
E
Conditions
really
drive
up
a
lot
of
the
cost,
there's
the
unit
itself,
but
then
how
we
place
that
unit
and
how
we
operate
that
unit.
In
compliance
with
all
these
rules
and
regulations,
it
does
drive
the
cost
up
and
it's
you
know
it's
it's
a
kind
of
interesting
how
kind
of
complicated
it
gets
to
just
have
an
emergency
generator
at
a
fire
station,
but
I
think
your
questions
are
completely
JIT.
I
think
there
may
be
ways
for
us
to
kind
of
economize.
E
I
I
F
I
Right
there
that
are
sort
of
not
prepared,
at
least
for
this
emergencies,
type
of
situation,
because
every
other
solution
we're
talking
about
is
much
more
longer-term
right
and
we
recognize
that
yeah.
So
at
a
bare
minimum.
You
know
we
have
this
approach
where
we
can
get
these
smaller
generators
and
kind
of
have
some
bare
bones,
but
even
to
ready
all
of
our
you
know.
Important
facilities,
especially
like
the
firefighter
I,
mean
sorry
that
the
fire
stations
and
then
the
warming
and
cooling
locations.
I
F
If
I
may
add,
the
labor
to
install
these
larger
units
can
be
very
significant
as
well,
and
what
the
equipment
needed,
whether
it's
cranes
or
flatbed
vehicles
to
bring
the
equipment
in
that
adds
to
the
costs
absolutely
compared
to
are
we
speaking,
though,
for
21
out
of
the
32
sites,
so
11
of
the
cooling
centers
and
then
be
21
remaining
sites?
Those
are
sanitary
pump
stations
and
fire
stations.
We
have
calculated
those
to
be
smaller
generators,
so
those
are
only
$100,000
at
each
of
those
sites.
F
H
Talk
about
this
we're
talking
about
generators
and
supplies
for
city
buildings.
So
in
my
district
there
you
know
it
has
one
of
the
cooling
centers,
but
it's
very
small
and
could
not
hold
very
many
people.
And
so
in
the
past,
some
of
things
I've
done
in
previous
life,
has
been
able
to
pre
position
equipment
and
which
requires
maintenance
and
all
sorts
of
other
issues
as
well,
but
also
really
develop
strong
relationships
with
faith-based
organizations.
H
Because
in
this
sort
of
type
of
scenario
they
will
actually
be
opening
their
doors
and
I'm
districts
like
mine,
people
are
gonna,
go
there
and
and
they're
also
bigger
and,
in
my
case,
newer
facilities
than
what
the
city
has
to
offer,
and
so
I
just
wanted
to
throw
that
out
there
and
I'm
willing
to
talk
offline
and
assist
in
any
way
that
I
can
on
doing
that.
But
again,
I
do
think
pre
positioning
those
equipments
equipment
and
supplies
ahead
of
time
with
our
partners
as
well.
H
C
You
that's
a
very
good
comment
on
the
emergency
management
side.
We
are
engaging
not
just
the
county,
but
our
partners
and
the
nonprofit
organizations
and
cbos
the
faith-based
organizations
and
we're
considering
that
as
part
of
our
whole
protocol,
it's
just
not
just
relying
on
our
own
sources,
but
what
other
resources
are
available
in
the
community
to
help
us
reach
those
particularly
vulnerable
populations?
That
will
go
out
that
way.
Yeah.
H
And
also
to
include
that
we
may
need
to
provide
some
of
these
smaller
generators
in
their
facilities,
because,
frankly
again,
our
city
is
very
diverse
right,
but
in
my
district
the
cooling
center
is
not
adequate.
For
you
know
more
than
a
few
dozen
people
all
right,
a
couple
dozen
folks
and
so
are
gonna
rely
on
some
other
facility.
H
K
So
I
had
a
question
about
the
the
backup
generators
I.
Think
Dave
said
that
we
have
to
like
every
now
and
then
turn
it
on
to
keep
it
running
or
whatever,
but
in
the
case
of
a
emergency
where
the
grid
was
shut
down,
what
is
the
capacity
for
actually
relying
on
the
backups
as
our
kind
of
main
source
of
energy
for
a
long
period
of
time?
Can
we
use
them
for
a
week
a
month?
What
is
a
very.
F
Good
question
council
married
yep,
so
to
follow
what
Dave's
comment
we
do
have
a
preventative
maintenance
program
as
well,
so
our
emergency
generators
they're
checked
a
monthly
to
ensure
that
they
do
operate
correctly.
We
do
ensure
what
the
fuel
levels
are
and
top
those
off
to
the
point
where
it
is
not
all
the
way
full.
We
have
to
leave
some
room
for
expansion
on
the
fuel,
but
we
keep
them
as
full
as
possible,
just
ready
to
go
for
an
emergency.
F
The
run
time
depends
on
what
emergency
loads
are
connected
to
the
generator
and
those
electrical
draws.
So,
for
example,
as
mentioned
earlier,
the
City
Hall
generator.
We
can
sustain
17
hours
of
operation
until
the
fuel
supplies
is
depleted.
Obviously
we're
gonna
build
in
a
plan
where
we
will
refuel
as
we
go
along,
so
it
will
never
be
all
the
way
depleted,
but
for
17
hours
from
the
existing
connected
load.
The
existing
connected
load
is
for
the
essential
equipment
within
City
Hall
as
well
too.
So
it
cannot
power
all
of
the
aspects.
We
will
do.
F
Some
lighting,
some
PCs
I,
think
sign
nature,
but
the
access
control,
the
security
functions,
emergency
lighting,
the
Network,
Operations
Center.
Those
will
still
run
as
plan
for
some
of
the
smaller
sites.
It
really
depends.
Those
generators
can
be
very
small,
our
garages
occasions,
that
are
between
eight
to
ten
hours
of
operation
and
we're
also
looking
at
scale
back
operations
as
well,
so
for
those
pieces
of
equipment
that
we
don't
need
ticking.
Those
may
be
offline,
restricting
the
usage
to
prolong
the
fuel.
B
I
would
add
to
that
were
working
with
departments
to
turn
what
are
the
critical
functions
they
have
to
keep
going
and
ensuring
that
we
have
the
power
to
supply
them
and
then
shutting
down
other
operations.
So
we're
not
going
to
keep
every
city
function
operating
it's
the
critical
functions
that
have
to
keep
going
and
that
can
reduce
the
demand
for
the
energy
to
kind
of
prolong
the
kind
of
fuel
and
and
the
backup
power
capability
and
extend
its
life
and.
K
Is
our
going
off
that
we
just
told
me,
is
our
City
Hall,
built
or
in
a
way
that
we
can
prioritize
function,
a
B
and
C
and
then,
like
flip
the
switch
or
shut
everything
else
down?
Or
do
we
have
to
go
floor
by
floor
and
just
say
you
know,
turn
off
this
PC
so
you're,
not
drawing
from
the
17
hour
supply
source
city.
F
Hall,
the
electrical
connection
is
already
structured
in
that
fashion,
where
we've
already
identified
those
critical
circuits.
Those
critical
electrical
panels
that
must
be
connected
to
the
emergency
generator.
There's
been
some
discussion
on
whether
we
need
to
connect
more
equipment
to
those
emergency
panels
that
connected
the
emergency
generator
just
to
keep
essential
critical
functions
at
City
Hall
running
as
well
too.
We
can
that
will
depletes
the
fuel
a
little
bit
faster,
but
we
can
engage
into
a
strategy
where
we
refuel
at
a
higher
frequency
and
I.
C
That's
done
through
the
Emergency
Operations
Center,
the
coordination
link
and
bringing
out
those
outside
resources
mentioned
the
mutual
aid
resource.
The
same
thing
with
that's
a
coordination
point,
so
the
federal
government
and
the
state
government
is
can't
come
in
and
start
operating
because
they
have
to
have
that
interface
and
that
coordination
like
to
provide
us
with
resources
as
they
come.
Okay,.
K
Shifting
over
to
batteries
that
one
of
the
first
things
on
the
air
set
and
I
tend
to
agree
is,
is
I.
Think
the
potential
of
storing
energy
is
preferable,
in
my
opinion,
to
having
a
backup
generator.
We
could
you
know
pick
between
the
two,
but
my
understanding
is
the
battery
technology
at
this
point
is
still
in
development
to
a
phase
where
we
can't
necessarily
rely
on
it,
because
I
think
we
can
store
energy
but
holding
the
charge
is
the
issue
is
that
right.
D
Yes,
that
technology
is
developing,
it
has
improved
somewhat
and
I
would
say
for
a
backup
generation.
I
think
it's
there,
but
what
that
means
is
you
have
to
install
a
larger
batteries
instead
of
there's
different
hour
durations
and
typically,
you
know.
Some
batteries
have
been
sized
at
the
four
hour
duration
and
that
may
not
be
sufficient
for
backup
and
to
provide
resiliency,
so
we're
probably
looking
more
at
an
eight
hour,
duration
battery
or
longer,
and
so
what
that
means
is
it's
just
a
larger
battery,
and
so
it's
likely
going
to
be
somewhat
more
expensive,
but.
K
D
Yeah,
that's
a
great
point
and
I'm
happy
to
answer
that
so
and
you
know
how
these
solar
plus
storage
systems
would
operate.
Is
that
it's
important
that
they
would
be
operating
actually
continuously,
so
you
wouldn't
only
start
to
rely
on
that
battery
during
an
emergency
event,
you
would
use
it
often
with
on-site
solar
to
ship
that
generation
later
in
the
day,
so
you're
discharging
the
battery
at
night
and
you're
not
drawing
the
same
amount
of
energy
from
the
utility
grid
at
night.
So
so
it
would
be
used
to
address
that
issue.
Okay,.
K
A
Thanks
I
I
know
we're
still
trying
to
figure
this
out,
but
just
to
follow
up
on
on
the
questions,
questions
account
summary
yep
I
assumed
that
if
we
were
to
go
at
solar
storage
approach
that
we
would
use
the
storage
to
address
intermittency
challenges
on
a
daily
basis,
but
perhaps
during
the
red
flag,
type
conditions.
We
then
say:
okay,
halt
usage
of
the
battery
and,
let's
just
use
it
for
storage
in
case
someone
pulls.
The
plug
is:
is
that
possible?
I.
D
Think
it's
possible
I
think
we'd
have
to
work
with
the
manufacturers,
and
you
know,
obviously,
a
design
and
engineering
team
to
make
sure
that
that's
possible
to
operate
that
way
and
one
of
the
challenges
with
the
red
flag
conditions
and
really
expand
on
this
more.
But
they
my
understanding
they
can
occur
all
the
way
from
May
through
November.
So
it's
a
it's
a
large
period
of
the
year
and
just
making
sure
that
we're
planning
through
those
operations
when
we
get
those
warnings,
I
think
one
challenge
might
be.
A
C
On
the
red
flag
conditions,
the
anticipations
and
we'll,
we
will
have
48
hours
and
notification
ahead
of
times,
because
they
can
predict
a
lot
of
that.
But
in
the
situation
that
occurred
in
June
of
this
year
up
in
the
Napa
area,
they
had
a
four-hour
window
of
notification,
so
that
does
it
does
vary,
and
we've
been
fortunate
this
year,
not
to
have
a
red
flag
warning
yet
knock
on
wood,
but
by
this
time
last
year
we
had
already
had
several
so
yeah.
C
It
does
carry
on
through
November,
and
we
also
have
to
pay
attention
that
this
is
not
just
about
hot
weather.
This
can
also
happen
during
the
cold
weather
during
the
winter.
When
high
winds
take
place,
they
can
be
doing
power
shut
offs
then
as
well,
and
so
this
becomes
now
an
annual
or
a
year
long
program,
not
just
during
the
heat
events.
C
A
That's
depressing,
thank
you,
helpful
information,
though
you
know,
I
know
that
sacrament.
There
is
a
lot
of
discussion
around
how
PG&E
has
the
ability
to
guard
to
their
transmission
lines
to
isolate
shutdowns
for
some
nuns
non-dedicated
segments,
so
they
can
de-energize
a
segment
and
continue
to
run
the
transmission
line
forward
from
where
it's
de-energized
and
I'm
just
wondering.
Is
there
much
hope
for
the
feasibility
in
which,
if
a
transmission
line
does
get
shut
down,
you
could
still
essentially
isolate
that
and
keep
distribution
lines
going
in
a
local
area?
Well,
the
transmission
lines
shut
down,
yeah.
D
I
think
that's
a
great
question.
Thank
you,
and
so
the
California
Independent
System
Operator
and
collaboration
with
the
utilities
and
local
entities
are
doing
a
lot
of
modeling
around
that
and-
and
that
is
really
the
USA's
job-
is
to
ensure
that
there's
reliable
power
available.
So
you
might
imagine,
there's
transmission
lines
that
go
down
for
maintenance
all
the
time
and
you
know,
there's
transmission
owners
submit.
There's
outage
requests
to
the
Eyres,
though
now,
if
it's
plan
maintenance,
the
ISO
might
deny
that
because
they
might
say
no.
D
We
need
that
transmission
line
to
provide
reliable
power
if
it's
a
forced
outage
and
they
need
to
take
it
out.
Then
the
ISO
has
a
lot
of
engineers
and
modeling
experts
to
figure
out
what
lines
they
can
reroute
power
to,
and
so
we've
been
working
pretty
closely
with
them
and
I
think
in
most
situations
they
do
think
that
they
can
rebalance
the
system.
D
However,
one
thing
that
caught
all
of
our
attention
and
the
is
opened
out
a
study
pretty
recently
around
there
was
an
event
in
July
where
there
was
a
fire
up
near
the
California
Oregon
border,
where
there's
a
large
inert
I
on
the
transmission
line,
where
we
import
power
from
the
Pacific
Northwest,
they
D
energized.
That
line
that's
a
very
high
voltage,
500
kV
line
where
we
import
a
lot
of
power,
and
so
you
know,
ultimately,
they
were
able
to
rebalance
the
system.
D
But
there
Engineers
did
a
lot
of
modeling
that
they
concluded
that
if
that
happened
again
where
they
needed
to
take
down
the
inner
ty
on
the
California
Oregon
border
and
potentially
there
was
also
an
outage.
For
example,
the
the
scenario
that
they
looked
at
was
Diablo
Canyon,
which
is
the
big
nuclear
power
plant.
If
there
was
a
fire
located
there
and
that
unit
got
de-energized
in
that
case,
they
would
need
to
curtail
over
2000
megawatts
of
load
throughout
the
state,
and
you
know
they
are
putting
together
plans
of
how
they
would
need
to
do
that.
D
But
that
might
look
like
rolling
blackouts,
which
many
of
us
live
through.
In
the
early
2000s,
where
it
absolutely
isn't
great,
you
know
what
happens
in
that
case
is
that
certain
cities
would
go
through
periods
of
time
or
where
the
the
power
is
essentially
shut
down.
I
would
say
that
the
benefit
of
that
is
to
be
definitely
would
prefer
that
situation
over
a
cascading
outage,
which
is
uncontrolled
and
takes
down
large
portions
of
the
transmission
system,
so
I
would
say,
at
least
on
the
positive
front.
D
A
You
Laurie
I
know
we
didn't
talk
about
it
much
today,
but
it
was
in
the
report.
The
fuel
cells
and
I
know
we've
been
exploring
that
a
little
bit.
We've
got
a
local
company
here
and
just
moved
their
headquarters
in
bloom
and
I
understand.
You
know
we
made
the
comparison
of
the
GHG
profile
of
of
a
fuel
cell
versus
PG&E,
provided
power.
I
understand
it's
not
favorable,
but
relative
to
a
backup
generator
which
uses
natural
gas
from
D,
so
I
assumed
it
would
be
favorable
is
that
is
that
fair
and.
D
A
D
D
You
know
there
is
this
concept
of
using
potentially
solar
energy
to
split
water
into
hydrogen
and
then
oxygen
as
a
byproduct,
and
that
could
be
a
clean
fuel
source
for
a
fuel
cell
instead
of
using
natural
gas,
which
is
primarily
how
most
fuel
cells
are
deployed
now
and
so
I
think
that
might
be
an
option
is
that
technology
matures
and
and
potentially
becomes
commercially
available?
And
so
that's
something
that
we
could
potentially
look
at.
Okay,.
A
Putting
that
aside,
then,
just
for
the
moment
as
we
look
at
fuel
cells
today,
do
they
provide
at
all
viable
option
or
alternative
to
us
to
generation,
backup
generation,
because
I'm
just
I'm
getting
more
and
more
worried
about
the
prospect,
relying
on
backup
generators
again,
knowing
the
greater
uncertainties
or
whether
or
not
fuel
you
can
get
to
the
site
in
terms
of
cost
and
feasibility
is
that
it
is
that
a
decent
option.
I.
D
A
Thank
you
and
then
finally,
just
around
individual
homeowners
and
on-site
resilience
there's
a
lot
of
discussion.
Certainly
in
that
and
the
report
about
this,
and-
and
there
are
lots
of
solar
I-
think
we
have
the
third
largest
most
widespread,
the
solar
deployment
of
any
C
in
the
country,
so
we've
got
a
lot
of
residents,
are
using
solar
and
we'd
love
to
see
doing
it
and,
as
I
recall,
there's
some
kind
of
infrastructure,
that's
needed
for
folks,
using
relying
on
solar
to
actually
be
able
to
get
off
the
grid.
A
D
It's
a
great
question:
I
can
answer
some
of
that.
So,
typically,
when
you
put
solar
on
your
house
or
you
put
in
also
a
battery
storage,
typically
a
grid
connected
so
with
a
lot
of
people
sometimes
don't
understand,
is
that
when
the
grid
goes
down
even
though
their
solar
generating
it
does
not
supply
power
to
the
house,
and
there
there's
reasons
for
that.
D
The
main
reason
is
that
the
utility
does
not
without
energy
to
back
flow
onto
their
system,
so
if
they've
de-energized,
because
they
have
an
issue
on
the
distribution
infrastructure
that
they
need
to
repair
dangerous,
to
have
electricity
flowing
back
onto
the
system
and
so
typically,
what
happens?
Is
the
powers
without
power
now
to
get
around
that?
And
there
are
some
new
installations
that
are
going
in
which
have
the
ability
to
island?
D
That's
a
concept
that
we've
talked
about
where,
if
the
utility
grade
goes
down
the
home,
the
solar
energy
can
still
power
part
of
the
home,
but
there's
a
lot
of
electrical
infrastructure
that
needs
to
be
included
for
a
homeowner
to
look
at
that
option
and
the
cost
vary
depending
on
the
size
of
the
home
and
and
what
infrastructure
needs
to
get
installed.
And
so
that
is
an
area
where
we
could
help,
certainly
among
educated,
about
how
solar
technology
works
and
how
solar
still
excuse-me
storage
technology
works.
F
A
Thanks
Laurie
well,
this
has
been
really
really
helpful
and
my
colleagues
agree
that
this
is
certainly
critical
for
us
to
to
understand
more
deeply
I.
Don't
have
any
cars
by
sea
mr.
Beakman
running
down.
So
why
don't
you
come
on
down
and
offer
your
public
comment
and
then
you
can
fill
out
a
card
on
your
way
out
great.
A
B
B
Want
to
be
upfront
that
this
team
did
an
amazing
job
came
over
this
10-week
period
of
pulling
all
this
together,
but
it's
important
now
that
we
really
focus
our
proposals
in
advance.
The
things
that
we
you
know
we
heard
from
the
council
day,
what's
important,
so
we'll
be
doing
that,
but
there's
gonna
need
to
be
some
investment
around
making
these
a
reality.
Yeah.
A
A
fair
point,
and
certainly
that
investment
means
more
people
or
consultants
or
someone.
It
was
right.
Do
enough
a
lot
of
this
research
and
and
heavy
lifting
so
I
get
it
folks
who
work
very
hard
to
get
us
at
this
point
and
we're
gonna
need
to
make
decisions
about
really
where
we
go
deeper,
because
we
can't
do
it
all
yeah.
B
E
Thank
you
look
up
the
federal
bay
UIC
website.
It
is
doing
important
work
in
in
Bay.
Area
irune
see
preparedness
with
the
agency
SF
card.
You
should
all
be
aware
of
talk
from
my
speech
here.
I
have
always
been
impressed
with
the
honest
efforts
of
the
Clean
Energy
Community
Advisory
Commission
is
been
talked
about
in
the
Bay
Area
for
a
few
years
now,
but
the
city
government
Commission
process
itself
could
be
a
part
of
an
important
cause
of
how
to
reintroduce
and
work
as
a
friendly
go-between
for
people
and
their
government.
E
Pg&Amp;E
seems
to
have
developed
practices
of
death
and
in
how
to
create
a
feature
of
social
infrastructure
and
social
change,
I
feel
in
San
Jose.
We
are
becoming
more
aware
how
we
can
learn
from
this
and
what
is
hopefully
becoming
it's
mistaken,
backward
logic
or
social
engineering.
I
feel
local
Santos
energy
ideas,
work
towards
good
ideas
of
the
environment
and
democracy,
and
that
can
allow
for
a
strong
local
voices
that
can
work
to
be
sure
no
one
will
be
harmed
or
even
left
fearful
of
their
local
government.
E
I
hope
everyone
in
the
community
can
really
consider.
There
are
several
programs
that
can
offer
a
simple
positive
good
for
the
future
of
San
Jose
at
this
time
and
the
remaining
time
to
use
my
own
positive
voice
in
what
I
feel
the
community
and
energy
program
can
be
about.
Important
activists
are
being
killed
in
Honduras
to
make
sure
dams
can
be
built
to
eventually
send
electricity
to
the
US.
I
hope
people
of
San
Jose
will
consider
this
and
not
want
to
buy
Honduran
electricity
in
the
future.
E
To
also
note
San
Jose
local
energy
also
wants
to
fully
leave
natural
gas
or
fracked
gas
with
a
possible
economic
disruption
process
based
on
proct
and
natural
gas.
San
Jose
is
the
line
is
lining
itself
up
to
be
with
people,
businesses
and
ideas
whose
moral
arc
is
working
towards
a
more
positive
future.
Thank
you
for
this.
Thank
you
very
much.