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City of San José, California
City Council Meeting of December 1, 2020, Evening Session
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B
B
B
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C
Returning
now
to
council
tony
I'll,
ask
if
you
could
please
call
the
roll.
C
Okay,
welcome
back
everybody
appreciate
all
the
members
of
the
community
came
out
to
speak,
many
of
whom
have
been
deeply
engaged
in
this
issue
for
some
time,
and
and
really
we
got
here
in
part
because
the
community
pushed
hard
pushed
us
and
the
community
was
also
willing
to
be
pushed,
and
by
that
I
mean
there's
a
lot
of
folks
who
have
very
settled
expectations
and
the
way
they're
building
buildings
and
the
way
they're,
developing
and
everything
from
car
chargers
to
to
to
gas
design
and
so
forth.
C
It's
required
a
lot
of
shifting,
and
I
appreciate
that
we
have
a
community.
That's
nimble
enough
to
recognize
the
imperative
of
the
need
to
move
forward,
and
so
thank
you,
everyone
for
for
your
push.
I
know
we
don't
agree
on
everything.
That's
it's
never
been
the
case.
I
think
that
everyone
agrees
on
everything
about
how
we
move
forward
and
difficult,
complex
issues
like
this.
C
But
fundamentally,
I
do
believe
everyone
on
all
sides
is
trying
to
get
to
the
right
result,
which
is
see
how
we
can
get
to
a
zero
emissions
future
and
that
zero
mission
future
certainly
needs
to
be
a
responsible
one
and
part
of
it
being
responsible.
I
believe,
also
enables,
or
requires
us
to
have
energy
sources
that
are
resilient
and
reliable
right
now
we
don't
have
that
and
we're
pushing
everybody
toward
an
electric
grid.
That
is
anything
but
reliable,
and
I
don't
need
to
remind
this
council.
C
I
know
about
the
near
daily
episodes
we
had
throughout
the
summer
and
fall
of
news
about
everything,
from
wildfires
to
power
safety
shutoffs
to
iso
directives,
to
to
impose
brownouts
to
save
on
peak
energy
or
reduce
peak
energy
flows
to
simple
failures,
as
we
had,
for
example,
in
our
downtown
on
a
pg
e
substation
that
on
a
particularly
hot
day,
just
transformer
failed,
and
we
had
thousands
of
residents
who
were
without
electricity
and
we've
been
putting
up
with
that.
C
C
That's
a
life
or
death
situation.
You
need
to
have
backup
power.
Similarly,
hospitals
data
centers,
a
lot
of
other
folks,
find
it
pretty
darn
essential
that
they
have
really
reliable
power,
and
we
don't
have
that
with
the
electric
grid
today
and
so
before
we
decide
we're
pushing
everybody
to
a
grid,
that's
not
terribly
reliable.
We
ought
to
make
sure
that
we
have
our
own
backup.
C
That
is
that
we
enable
those
who
are
truly
sensitive
to
resilience,
issues
very
sensitive
to
interruptions
of
power
to
be
able
to
have
viable
solutions,
and
for
some
time
that
solution
has
been
a
diesel
backup
and
that
certainly
works
in
many
contexts.
C
C
It's
nitrous
oxides:
it's
sulfur
oxides,
it's
particulates,
2.5
pm
that
is
particularly
devastating
and
those
who
are
well-versed
in
issues
of
environmental
justice
know
well
what
neighborhoods
are
most
subjected
to
those
kinds
of
particulates
and
those
pollutants
and
what
children
suffer
and
which
ones
don't.
And
so.
C
There's
no
question
in
my
mind
that
if
we
just
had
the
contest
simply
on
which
approach
is
going
to
have
lower
ghg
emissions
in
any
given
year,
there's
no
question
that
a
san
jose
clean
energy
supplied
electric
grid
with
a
occasionally
sparsely
used
diesel
backup
will
win
the
day
simply
on
greenhouse
gas
emissions.
C
The
problem
is
that
it's
much
more
complex
than
that,
and
what
we
have
is
what
some
folks
call
an
optimization
problem.
We
have
to
optimize
both
reductions
in
greenhouse
gas
emissions
and
resilience
and
reliability
for
those
who
are
again
really
sensitive
to
it
and,
frankly,
the
diesel
solution
isn't
all
that
reliable.
C
If
we're
considering
what
happens
when
there
is,
for
example,
a
region-wide
power
outage
and
everybody's
looking
hard
and
fast
for
that
diesel
supply,
if
it
goes
into
multiple
days,
as
we've
often
had
that
multiple
day
supply
of
diesel
and
everyone's
relying
on
the
same
supply
chain-
and
I
can
imagine
that
whatever
contract
we
think
we
have
probably
goes
by
the
wayside
when
someone
else
is
willing
to
speculate
and
pay
more
and
and
and
diesel
get
sparse.
We
also
know
that
there
are
folks
who
simply.
C
For
whom
that's
just
not
a
very
palatable
solution
for
a
host
of
other
operational
reasons,
and
so
I
think
it's
important
that
whatever
we
do,
we
recognize
that
we're
pushing
folks
toward
an
electric
grid.
That
is
not
reliable
and
not
dependable,
and
we
hope
all
that
changes
in
the
years
ahead.
C
But
pg
e
is
many
years
and
tens
of
billions
of
dollars
away
from
fixing
its
problems,
and
I
haven't
heard
anyone
yet
offer
a
solution
because
there's
no
simple
solution,
it's
complex
and
it
requires
probably
multiple
solutions
and
what
we
want
to
do
is
to
get
to
uninterrupt
uninterruptible
supplies,
electricity
that
are
zero
emissions
and
we're
just
not
there
yet,
because
the
technology
is
not
there.
C
So,
if
we're
going
to
find
a
zero
emissions
path
for
anything
more
than
say
four,
six
or
eight
hours,
which
is
typically
what
you'll
have
in
a
a
battery
storage
microgrid,
for
example,
if
you're,
if
you're
just
getting
storage
for
a
microgrid
or
for
a
particular
industrial
installation,
that's
fine
for
a
few
hours,
but
it
won't
last
multiple
days
and
I
think
an
awful
lot
of
experts
seem
to
believe
that
distributed
generation
is
a
long-term
answer
and
we're
several
years
off
from
the
zero
emission
microgrid
that
doesn't
depend
on
diesel
generators
and
we'd
love
to
see
the
cost
of
energy
storage
and
batteries
drop,
because
we
know
that's
going
to
be
really
important
in
the
years
ahead
to
get
us
to
that
future.
C
There's
also
another
option-
and
I
know
that's
been
said
about
bloom
energy
tonight,
but
bloom
energy
is
right
now
piloting
a
hydrogen
fuel
cell
hydrogen,
that's
not
extracted
from
natural
gas,
but
rather
hydrogen.
That's
separated
from
water
through
hydrolyzer.
That's
fueled,
with
renewable
energy.
Lots
of
challenges
getting
that
implemented.
C
If,
in
fact,
obviously
we
get
the
hydrogen
generation
in
place,
all
that's
going
to
take
several
years
and
we
know
we're
not
there.
I
should
note
that
the
users
who
are
highly
sensitive
electricity
reliability
aren't
just
in
the
private
sector.
I
mentioned
hospitals,
but
the
city
is
also
one
of
those
users
and
we've
been
struggling
mightily
to
come
up
with
our
own
solution
on
the
microgrid
front.
C
I
think
folks,
probably
remember
a
couple
years
ago
we
directed
staff
to
go
march
off,
knowing
that
we
had
all
these
power
safety,
shutoffs
and
other
problems
to
go
figure
out.
How
we're
gonna
go
build
out
some
microgrids
and
it
turns
out
it's
really
expensive
and
really
hard
to
do,
and
it
may
be
that
the
first
significantly
sized
microgrid
is
one
that
is
going
to
probably
be
launched,
maybe
launched
by
google,
because
they
have
the
resources
to
do
it
and
god
loved
them
for
trying
it
and-
and
we
know
it's
hard.
C
I
know,
there's
been
a
lot
said
tonight
that
they're
somehow
suggesting
like
there's
some
slippery
slope
that
we're
creating
with
the
exemption
that
staff
has
proposed
has
been
a
couple
different
iterations
of
it
and
somehow
I
know
this
means
that
we're
just
going
to
be
over
run
with
natural
gas
and
building
all
kinds
of
stranded
assets
of
natural
gas
infrastructure.
So
I
asked
that
okay,
so
this
is
pretty
narrow
in
order
to
qualify
for
it,
you
have
to
meet
carb
standards,
as
I
understand
it,
that's
that's.
C
Okay,
so
not
a
lot
of
folks
can
take
advantage
of
this,
whether
you're
using
natural
gas
or
not.
Yes,
bloom
is
one
of
them
and
and
so
kerry.
Roughly
how
many
bloom
boxes
do
we
have
in
this
city?
You
have
any
idea.
G
C
Okay,
so
we
have
roughly
20.
and
the
exemption
the
staff
has
proposed,
and
I
prefer
the
second
exemption
that
was
articulated
in
the
november
25th
memorandum
because
it
has
a
hard
end
date.
That's
not
included
in
the
first
memo.
I
think
the
second
memo
strikes
a
good
balance
in
saying:
look.
We
need
an
end
date
to
this
we're
trying
to
drive
innovation
in
this
space.
C
C
I
don't
know-
maybe
10
more,
but
I
don't
see
this
as
being
the
exception
that
swallows
the
rule
by
any
stretch,
because
that
hasn't
been
our
experience,
and
I
know
we
as
a
city
have
looked
at
bloomboxes
and
it
turns
out
that
it's
a
pretty
expensive
solution
and
you
need
to
be
awfully
awfully
sensitive
to
power
interruptions
for
this
to
make
economic
sense
and
so
far
it
hasn't
made
sense
for
the
city
in
our
conversations,
and
so
I
don't
think,
there's
a
lot
of
users
of
these
out
there.
C
Obviously
this
isn't
a
backup
source.
This
is
an
ongoing
source
that
would
run
continuously
24
7,
I'm
mindful
of
the
implication
of
that,
but,
as
I
said
before,
it's
not
merely
greenhouse
gas
emissions
that
we
are
concerned
about,
though,
certainly
that
is
a
core
concern,
but
also
other
kinds
of
environmental
pollution
and
clearly
the
boom
bloombox
provides
a
better
alternative
than
the
diesel.
With
regard
to
all
those
other
pollutants,
I
mentioned,
I
think,
there's
sort
of
a
broader
issue,
I'm
real
concerned
about,
which
is,
I
might
call
it
the
hearts
and
minds
issue.
C
You
can
be
sure
that
news
will
travel
far
and
wide
and
those
failures
are
noted
and
they
undermine
our
ability
and
our
momentum
to
be
able
to
build
the
case
to
getting
to
that
all-electric
future.
Particularly
when
the
failures
happen,
and
we
know
they're
going
to
happen,
the
the
grid
will
shut
down
on
us.
We
are
going
to
have
blackouts
and
when
that
does
happen,
it's
policies
like
this.
C
So
I
I
am
certainly
willing
to
support
the
alternatives
that
staff
has
presented.
As
I
mentioned,
I
think
I'm
most
inclined
to
support
the
march
25th,
I'm
sorry,
the
november
25th
iteration.
C
C
G
Yes
and
I'd
ask
lisa
joyner
to
add
in
in
sort
of
the
how
does
the
normal
hardship
exemption
process
work
when
plans
are
submitted
to
planning
and
building.
J
G
C
Okay,
so
I
guess
let's
say
is:
I
would
support
something
that
maintained
that
state
carb
standard
in
whatever
distributed
energy
resource,
is
used
using
the
language
from
the
25th.
I
would
also
support
a
definition
of
hardship
exemption
that
includes
the
verbiage.
That's
at
the
top
of
that
paragraph
that
it
would
be
necessary
for
public
health
safety
or
economic
welfare
in
the
event
of
an
electric
grid
outage
to
ensure
that
hardship
would
incorporate
those
concepts
that
is
necessary
in
the
event
of
electric
grid
outage.
I
think
that
would
be
awfully
important.
C
I
I
do
want
to
ask
a
couple
questions
about,
and
and
these
thanks
for
joining
us
if
either
you
or
rosalind
could
respond.
I
know
that
there
was
a
letter
from
the
local.
I
believe
it
was
plumbers
and
pipefitters
about
something
relating
to
a
expanded,
alternative
water
source
requirement,
and
I'm
not
familiar
at
all
with
that.
Can
you
tell
us
what
that's
about
what
that
entails?.
C
Okay,
I
understand
yeah
okay,
so
I
guess
I
would
say,
I'm
reluctant
to
impose
anything
like
that,
but
certainly
happy
to
look
at
it
when
staff
has
had
an
opportunity
to
digest
it.
I
do
support
the
future
of
work
workshop
concept
that
the
local
has
proposed
to
help
our
workforce
transition
to
an
all-electric
future.
We
could
certainly
use
more
electricians.
That's
for
sure
we
know
that's
a
huge
constraint
in
all
of
our
construction
as
well
as
our
own
city
operations
is
hiring
electricians,
so
we
need
to
get
more
trained.
C
I
don't
know
is
dr
brower
still
on,
or
is
he
I
believe,
he's?
Well,
that's,
okay!
I
think
it
may
be
hard
to
pull
anybody
back
at
this
point.
C
Yeah,
I
don't,
I
don't
see
him
on
so
I
won't.
I
won't
ask
him
any
questions
at
this
time.
I
am
particularly
interested
in
this
larger
question
about
how
we
get
this
transition
in
place
to
get
from
here
to
our
all
electric
zero
emission
future
and
every
expert
I've
talked
to,
and
I've
talked
to
about
a
half
dozen,
none
of
whom
have
any
affiliation
with
any
of
the
companies
who
have
weighed
in
so
far
because
I've
been
very
interested
in
this
issue.
C
They
have
all
said
you
just
can't
get
there
just
by
jumping
to
electric,
it
doesn't
work.
There
are
lots
and
lots
of
problems
that
we've
got
to
figure
out
and
certainly
we're
all
familiar
with
the
issues
of
the
duct
curve
and
intermittency
problem
of
renewables
and
what
it
would
do
if,
if
we
were
in
mass
simply
to
go.
C
To
electric
sources
that
resemble
what
we've
got
in
our
in
our
power
mix
with
san
jose
clean
energy,
if
you
didn't
have
some
other
sources
johnny,
but
it
seems
to
me
that
there's
that's
just
one
example
of
many
challenges
we
have
and-
and
this
is
a
really
complex
problem
to
solve-
and
we
don't
do
it
simply
by
hoping
the
technology
will
be
there.
I
think
we
need
to
set
a
really
clear
standard
for
what
we're
willing
to
tolerate
what
that
bridge
looks
like
and
then
push
together.
C
C
One
of
those
interests
I
know
is
the
fact
that
their
employers,
who
are
telling
us
that
they
need
this
and
we're
entering
a
very
difficult
time
economic
period.
Well,
we've
been
in
it
for
a
while,
but
it's
going
to
get
worse.
I
think
we
know
with
the
looming
shutdown
order
from
the
state
when
we're
in
double
digit
unemployment,
we're
going
to
appreciate
every
one
of
those
employers.
C
C
We
are
likely
to
hear
other
kinds
of
news
from
elsewhere
in
the
bay
area
like
we
heard
from
volunteer
and
others,
because,
let's
face
it,
this
is
a
very
high
cost
area
and
we
know
in
very
very
difficult
times.
Employers
are
making
decisions
based
on
regulatory
burdens
and
costs,
and
we
just
need
to
be
very
sensitive
to
that.
C
So,
for
all
those
reasons,
I
appreciate
the
balancing
act
that
the
staff
has
tried
to
to
perform
here.
These
are
very
difficult
problems.
I'm
very
confident,
though,
that
we're
on
a
great
path
we
are
going
to
be
the
largest
city
I
think
is
this
is
approved
in
the
country
to
embrace
an
all-electric
future
that
is
going
to
require
a
lot
of
hard
and
painful
adjustments.
I
know
because
I
hear
plenty
of
frustration
from
various
folks
in
different
the
building
community
and
elsewhere,
and
we
know
change
is
hard.
C
J
Thank
you
mayor.
You
clearly
have
a
very
deep
knowledge
of
this.
This
topic,
my
I
don't
pretend
to
have
as
deep
a
knowledge
and
I
do
have
some
some
questions.
Carrie.
J
First
of
all,
the
outreach
you
touched
on
it
a
little
bit,
but
I
did
want
to
ask
I
I
understand
my
staff
got
the
list
of
the
people
who
had
been
contacted,
but
how
many
of
them
actually
attended
from
the
I
haven't
heard
a
lot
from
the
business
and
developer
community,
the
people
who
will
be
basically
implementing
this,
this
ordinance
in
their
in
their
work,
how
many
of
them
actually
attended
or
spoke
with.
You
contacted
you
about
this
topic
and
what
were
their?
G
Well,
thank
you
yeah.
We
did.
We
sent
out
a
list
of
to
labor
developers,
businesses,
we
vetted
that
list
across
other
city
departments
as
well,
including
economic
development
and
planning
building
code
enforcement.
So
we
really
look
to
say:
hey
who,
in
our
entire
organization
did
we
think
kind
of
would
would
want
to
participate
and
would
have
some
strong
opinions
and
interest
in
shaping
this
ordinance.
G
I
know
that
there
were
over
200
participants
and
ken,
if
you
can
think
specifically
about
which
of
the
sectors
and
in
total
how
many
folks
participated.
That
would
be
great,
but
council
member.
G
I
also
want
to
acknowledge
that
in
and
while
we
sent
out
emails
while
we
asked
the
mayor's
office
to
send
out
emails,
you
know
one
area
that
would
be
a
space
for
improvement
for
future
efforts
is
to
really
ensure
that
if
there's
folks,
we
absolutely
believe
need
to
be
at
the
table,
such
as
the
pipefitters
union
and
others
that
that
we,
you
know,
be
more
assertive
in
our
efforts
to
contact
them
and-
and-
and
you
know,
I
guess
just
do
a
better
job
in
that
regard,
and
so
so
we
acknowledge
that
and-
and
I
think
in
the
in
the
future-
you'll
see
better
participation
there.
G
But
ken
could
you
just
give
us
an
overview
of
kind
of
the
categories
and
sheer
number.
B
Yeah,
excuse
me:
you
had
a
list
that
encompassed
labor
groups,
equipment
manufacturers
for
all
electric
construction,
real
estate
builders
and
developers,
neighborhood
associations.
The
list
went
on
and
on.
We
had
five
public
webinars
over
the
past
five
months
since
july
and
those
those
the
attendance
of
those
workshops
ranged
from
over
20
to
over
40,
depending
on
the
the
event.
J
Right
so
I'm
just
asking
I'm
just
asking
of
the
attendees,
so
I
understand
what
what
the
outreach
went
to,
but
in
terms
of
attendees,
did
you
see
that
kind
of
attendance
from
from
the
the
labor
community,
the
business
community?
B
Yeah
and
each
of
the
workshops
were
predominantly
attended
by
the
builder
and
developer
and
real
estate
community.
J
Okay,
perfect,
that's
I
very
helpful,
that's
what
I
needed
to
know
and
then
I
I
do
want
to
clarify
our,
and
maybe
this
question
is
for
rosalind.
I
wasn't
clear
from
the
memos
are
projects
that
are
already
approved
exempt
from
this.
It
sounded
like
the
the
plumbers
and
the
steam
fitters
were
are
very
concerned
about.
You
know
the
immediate
future,
and
I'm
wondering
if
projects
that
are
already
approved
are
not
are
not
included
in
this
ban
right.
They're
exempt.
A
Yes,
council,
member
davis,
that
is
correct
for
so
projects
that
have
received
their
planning
entitlements
would
be
exempt
and,
of
course,
projects
would
be
subject
to
this
after
the
effective
date.
A
Yeah
well,
projects
that
are
currently
entitled
today
are
definitely
exempt,
and
if
projects
do
get
their
entitlement
prior
to,
I
believe
it's
the
august
deadline
of
next
year,
they
would
be
accepted.
That's
correct,.
J
Okay,
thank
you,
that's
very
helpful
and
then
I
think
this
question
is
for
carrie.
The
mayor
touched
on
this
a
little
bit
about
resiliency
and
our
availability
of
backup
power
during
public
safety
power.
Shutoffs.
Can
you
expound
on
that
a
little
bit?
What
are
our
options?
Are
options
really
limited
to
diesel
generators
or
fuel
cells
or
I'm
assuming
batteries
are
are
in
that
mix,
but
I
don't
know
the
the
extent
of
that.
I
have
lori
coming
on
my
office
hours
tomorrow
to
talk
about
that
a
little
bit
for
individual
homes.
Well,.
G
Perfect
well
I'll
start
and
then
zach.
If
you
can
sort
of
fill
in
the
gaps.
If
I
miss
anything,
and
that
would
be
really
helpful,
so
you
know
clearly
diesel
generators
are
the
the
primary
or
most
common
source
of
backup
power
and
they're,
really
designed
to
last
for
short-term
power,
outages
so
a
day
two
days,
they're
not
designed
for
these
power
safety
shutoffs,
and
so
so
we
see
battery
storage
increasing,
but
certainly
not
for
large-scale
operations.
G
At
this
point,
although
trajectory
seems
to
be
moving
very
quickly
and
then
and
then
there
are
fuel
cells
as
well,
so
there's
not
a
lot
of,
as
you
know,
not
a
lot
of
options
out
there
today
and
we.
Our
hope
is
that,
as
we
and
other
cities
move
away
from
natural
gas,
that
that
opens
the
space
for
innovation
and
opens
customers
up
to
purchasing.
B
Only
that's
basically,
I
you
know
echo
what
what
kerry
said
and
you
know
for
no
interruption.
Sort
of
you
know
a
data
center
kind
of
application.
Yes,
battery
is
not
gonna,
be
that
for
longer
than
you
know,
let's
say
four
hours
or
if
you
had
a
lot
of
them,
maybe
six
or
eight.
You
know
for
a
more
limited
load
sort
of
support.
B
If
you
install
batteries
with
with
solar,
you
know,
that's
going
to
the
solar
is
going
to
recharge
the
battery
every
day
and
depending
on
the
weather,
you
know
you're
going
to
be
able
to
to
have
that
go
longer
and
recharge
every
day.
J
Right
and
as
we
saw
with
wildfires
intersecting
with
the
power
shutoffs,
that's
not
exactly
completely
reliable,
either
right,
of
course,
yeah.
J
Yeah.
Okay,
so
I
I
appreciate
that
that's
very
helpful.
I
just
we
we
as
a
council-
and
I
personally
am
very
committed
to
our
our
climate,
smart
plan
and
our
goals
to
reduce
greenhouse
gas
emissions
in
our
city,
and,
I
think,
kerry.
You
said
it
very
well.
J
We
need
to
be
flexible
but
committed
to
our
long-term
objective,
and
I
I
appreciate
all
the
work
that
you've
that
you've
done
to
to
craft
that
flexibility
as
well
as
our
commitment,
and
I
I
personally
I
want
to
encourage
the
adoption
of
the
the
green
technology
that
that
already
exists
and
that's
available,
but
at
the
same
time
you
know
the
mayor
mentioned
that
I
think
it's
important
for
us
to
be
pragmatic
about
our
current
limitations
and
the
cost
effectiveness
of
what
is
available,
as
as
we've
just
heard,
about
the
the
reliability
of
what
is
available
as
well
in
the
long
term
and
in
light
of
public
safety
power.
J
Shutoffs.
That's
that's
really
important,
so
I
I
want
to
encourage
the
the
adoption
of
of
what's
available,
but
also
the
development
and
innovation
of
green
tech
and
I
think,
having
a
timeline
and
providing
that
bridge.
J
I
liked
the
way
you
put
that
mirror,
providing
that
bridge
is
going
to
be
important
to
us
one
of
the
as
we've
as
we've
heard,
and
I
think
a
public
commenter
also
noted
the
technology
just
isn't
there
yet
for
completely
greenhouse
gas,
free
and
cost
effective
fuel
cells,
and
I
I
I'm
sensitive
to
that
and
the
need
for
uninterruptible
power
supplies
for
for
public
health,
public
safety
and
and
and
economic
hardship.
J
So
I
think
we
I
I
agree.
I
think
we
need
to
take
that
measured
approach
and
continue
to
re-evaluate
in
future
years,
and
I
I
I
think
another
commenter
it
might
have,
it
might
have
been
shiny,
who
said
things
are:
are
evolving
quicker
than
than
they
used
to,
and
and
so
that's
why
we
have
a
timeline
in
why
staff
put
forward
that
timeline
on
the
november
25th
supplemental.
J
With
that
and
then
I
would
also
like
to
include
that
the
clarification
that
we
include
the
state
standards
for
distributed
energy,
the
carb
standards-
and
I
don't
know
exactly
where
that
goes.
But
that's
my
motion.
E
J
Thank
you
so
another
commenter
said
our
work
is
not
done
and
implied
that
that
we
should
maybe
finish
the
job
this
evening,
and
I
just
want
to
say
it
is
true
that
our
work
is
not
done
and
it
will
not
be
done
tonight,
but
we
will
continue
to
make
progress
with
this
action
and
as
technology
advances,
we
are
committed
to
continuing
to
take
further
action.
Thank
you.
C
Thank
you,
councilman.
D
Perez
thank
you
mayor
and
appreciate
the
presentation
and
the
work
from
from
staff,
and
certainly
all
the
commentary
from
our
community
that
came
in
today,
and
obviously
this
has
been
a
a
pretty
hot
topic
over
the
last
couple
weeks,
as
was
mentioned,
receiving
several
hundred
correspondents,
the
majority
of
which,
speaking
out
in
opposition
to
some
of
these
latest
supplementals,
and
I
wanted
to
kind
of
dive
in
on
on
some
of
this.
But
I'll
I'll
do
some
highlights.
D
First,
I
think,
just
in
general,
you
know
appreciate
the
the
community
out
of
the
kids
that
have
helped
get
us
this
far.
As
the
mayor
pointed
out,
and
and
certainly
our
city
staff
that
have
done
the
work
and
knowing
that
passing,
this
ordinance
is
really
going
to
cement
our
commitment
that
we
set
out
to
make
years
ago
on,
preserving
our
environment
and
specifically
reducing
our
production
of
greenhouse
gas
emissions.
Here
in
the
city
of
san
jose
and,
quite
frankly,
being
the
largest
city
to
pass
an
ordinance
like
this.
D
Should
we
pass
it
setting
a
president
for
for
the
rest
of
our
country
and
one
that
I
think
we've
stood
on
now
for
for
a
number
of
years,
as
I
think
we
have,
we
have
made
a
statement
to
recognize
the
impacts
that
we,
as
human
beings,
are
having
on
our
environment
and
we're
having
on
this
world
and,
quite
frankly,
the
the
world
that
we
are
leaving
for
future
generations.
D
And
so,
having
said
that,
I
I
certainly
was
looking
forward
to
this
item
coming
a
couple
weeks
ago
and
and
obviously
was
concerned
about
the
the
timing
and
the
introduction
of
the
the
the
supplemental,
the
initial
supplemental
and
the
exemption,
and
what
appeared
to
be
a
lack
of
of
analysis
presented
to
the
council
in
order
to
to
make
a
decision-
and
I
know
the
mayor
spoke
briefly
yet
eloquently
about
such
pollutants
like
knocks
and
socks
and
and
that
may
have
convinced,
councilmember
davis-
that
he
understands
the
issue
deeply.
D
But
I
don't
think
any
of
us
in
the
council
can
claim
that.
This
is
an
issue
we
understand
very
well,
and
what
I'm
most
concerned
about
doing
is
is
approving
any
further
exemptions.
With
so
little
or
what
appears
to
be
so
little
analysis,
and
certainly
when
that
exemption
or
those
exemptions
come
with
so
much
opposition
from
our
environmental
advocates
that
it
that
have
helped
get
us
to
this
point
and
certainly
what
was
not
presented
in
the
initial
memorandum
from
our
staff
now.
D
Having
said
that,
I'll
be
clear,
as
I
pointed
out
already,
I
am
no
expert
either
and
in
fact
I'm
at
the
moment,
neither
for
or
against
these
exemptions,
where
I
certainly
lean
is
on
the
side
of
our
environmental
advocates
and
I'm
not
comfortable
with
these
additional
exemptions
prior
to
knowing
that
the
proper
analysis
was
conducted,
and
personally,
I
appreciate
bloom
and
having
to
get
to
learn
about
them
as
a
as
a
local
company,
especially
for
what
they
did
for
our
state
and
our
community
this
this
summer
and
this
year,
and
specifically
that
they
are
a
san
jose
based
company.
D
But
this
decision
is
about
it's
not
about
that.
It's
about
the
future
that
we're
trying
to
create
again
for
for
future
generations
to
come
and
and
continuing
that
progress
as
leaders
in
environmental
justice,
and
so
I
did
want
to
ask
staff.
D
Maybe
you
can
start
with
an
explanation
on
on
how
we
got
here
with
these
these,
these
last
two
or
last
minute,
two
supplemental
memos.
After
what
was
really
a
a
lot
of
time
and
work
that
went
into
this
effort,.
G
Thank
you
councilmember
it.
As
the
item
was
put
on
the
agenda
bloom
energy
reached
out
to
us
and
indicated
that
they
had
not
been
tracking
the
issue
and
had
concerns
and,
on
behalf
of
their
businesses,
had
concerns
that
certain
companies
would
be
challenged
to
operate
without
interruption.
Given
the
ongoing
power
outages.
G
When
the
grid
is
more
stable
and
right
now,
unfortunately,
the
grid
is
just
not
stable,
and
so
that
created
some
hardships
for
for
our
businesses
that
felt
they
could
not
be
down
for
six
to
seven
days.
D
Thank
you
and
I
guess,
kind
of
diving
into
some
of
the
the
opportunities
that
we
have
here.
I
I
want
to
understand
a
little
bit
better
on
on
on
sort
of
the
decision
we
may
make
with
what
our
environmental
advocates
are
asking
for,
which
is
your
original
memo
versus
what
looks
like
now.
A
motion
for
the
the
second
supplemental
memorandum
that
came
out,
and
so
I
wanted
to
see
if
staff
can
answer
a
couple.
D
Questions
number
one
there's
been
some
allegations
kind
of
thrown
around
in
regards
to
the
the
co2
emissions
and-
and
the
mayor
pointed
out
that
I
think
clearly
what
it
looks
like
in
the
use
of
generators.
Diesel
generators
that
the
the
co2
emissions
potentially
would
be
would
be
less
than
a
fuel
cell
running
365..
D
C
And
just
to
be
clear,
I
said
it
would
be
greenhouse
gas
emissions,
not
co2,
just
to
be
clear.
Okay,.
G
Yeah,
so
so
the
the
the
analysis
that
we
did
assumes
that
the
diesel
generators
would
only
run
three
and
a
half
days
a
year,
and
so
we
looked
at
a
five-year
period
and
said
you
know
using
san
jose
clean
energy
during
normal
operations
and
then
reverting
to
diesel
back
up
for
those
three
and
a
half
days,
which
may
be
too
short
to
acknowledge
that
the
bloom
energy
fuel
cells
are
about
six
and
a
half
times
more
polluting
from
a
greenhouse
gas
standpoint
than
the
using
the
diesel
backup,
and
that's
because,
as
we've
noted
there
once
they're
on
they're
on
continuously-
and
so
you
know,
part
of
the
question
is
sort
of
who
needs
that
and
that's
where
we,
you
know,
could
consider
moving
to
the
hardship
exemption
and
and
then
how
would
you
run?
G
Could
you
continue
to
refill
your
diesel
generator
over
a
longer
period
of
time?
Historically,
we've
seen
that
we
have
companies
have
been
able
to
to
keep
the
diesel
generators
operating
diesel
generators,
though,
do
create
localized
increased
air
pollution
in
in
the
form
of
nox
and
particulates,
and
so
that
would
be
exposure
to
those
those
residents
in
that
area.
So
you
know,
there's
there's
good
and
bad
to
both
in.
G
In
the
long
term,
though,
we
don't
think
that
natural
gas,
fueled
fuel
cells
make
sense
for
for
our
climate
objectives,
so
definitely
a
compromise
to
hit
our
business
goals
and
our
climate
goals,
but
in
in
the
longer
term,
continuing
to
operate
natural
gas
fuel
cells
would
not
meet
our
climate.
Both.
D
And
so-
and
you
you
may
have
mentioned
that
that
maybe
you
you'd
made
some
too
conservative
of
assumptions
on
the
maybe
three
days,
so
if
it
were
were
more
and
you
have
some
power
safety
shutoffs.
The
difference,
though,
that
you
were
calculating
was
around
six
times
worse,
so
I
mean
maybe
it's
five
times
worse
or
something.
Is
that
what
we're
assuming
right?
It's
still
a
number
of
times.
G
Yes,
so
so
using
our
three
and
a
half
days,
it's
it's
six
and
a
half
yeah
or
I'm
sorry,
6.5
times
more,
and
you
know
we
didn't
include,
you
do
have
to
start
up
and
test
diesel
generators
once
a
month.
We
didn't
include
that.
So
if
I
sort
of
clean
up
my
math
a
little
bit,
it's
probably
four
and
a
half
times
more
polluting.
D
Okay,
I
think
I
don't
know
just
a
potential
example
as
well.
I
think
of
we
didn't
necessarily
fully.
You
know,
I
think,
take
the
time
to
analyze
this
as
robustly
as
maybe
you
would
have
wanted
to,
and
certainly
as
I
would
have
wanted
to,
but
appreciate
that.
Obviously
we
have
this
opportunity
now
to
kind
of
talk
through
it,
and
I
would
agree
with
you
there
that
it
still
looks
like
it
would
be
a
number
of
times
greater.
D
Can
you
speak
a
little
bit
more
in
detail,
because
I'm
certainly
not
an
expert
on
on
some
of
these
localized
particulates
and
and
sort
of
what
those
impacts
are
in
a
trade-off
for
fuel
cells?
It
looks
like,
as
an
overall,
you
know,
sort
of
I
guess
statement,
you're
saying
that
that
the
fuel
cells,
natural
gas
fuel
cells
are
not
necessarily
going
to
be
helping
us
meet
our
climate
goals,
and
so,
but
are
you
able
to
kind
of
dive
deeper
on
some
of
those
those
trade-offs.
G
So
certainly
so,
when
you're,
when
you're
operating
diesel
generator
there
are
there
are,
you
know,
criteria,
pollutants
that
are
emitted
during
the
the
fire
or
the
operation
of
that
that
diesel
generator
those
tend
to
be
more
localized
in
nature.
G
In
in
a
you
know,
certain
vicinity
around
the
operation
of
the
diesel
generator
and
the
you
know,
bloom
energy
cells
so
are
are
cleaner
in
terms
of
the
near-term
nearby
exposure
to
to
residents,
but
then
more
polluting
from
a
greenhouse
gas
perspective,
and-
and
so
you
know,
our
thought
is
over
the
next
decade.
G
Pg
e
has
indicated
that
they
will
require
that
decade
to
stabilize
the
grid,
and
so,
if,
in
the
december
20
23
time
frame,
we
can't
say
hey
dude,
you
know
how
does
it
look
like
technology
is
evolving
and
and
how
what
shape
is
the
grid
in?
We
would
be
in
a
more
confident,
comfortable
position
to
message
to
our
potential
incoming
businesses
and
new
construction
that
hey.
You
can
count
on
the
grid
to
run
your
business,
it's
okay
to
develop
here,
and
so
so
that's
the
where
the
the
real
trade-off
is.
G
We
knew
going
into
it
that
the
natural
gas
fuel
cells
are
significantly
worse
for
climate,
and
so
I
don't
know
if
we
had
had
more
time
if
we
would
have
done
much
more
research,
because
it's
pretty
widely
known.
D
Okay,
thank
you
and
I
guess
the
difference
between
sort
of
your
original
memo
versus
the
second
supplemental
and
the
emotions
on
the
table.
Do
you
have
an
analysis
on
the
impact
to
our
climate,
smart
goals,
what
what
the
what
this
difference
might
be,
depending
on
which
one
of
those
directions
we
go.
G
We
we
don't
because
the
thing
is
that
we
assume
that,
in
by
2030,
these
natural
gas
fuel
cells
would
most
likely
not
be
operating,
so
we
sort
of
get
to
the
same
place,
but
we
get
there
10
years
later,
which,
as
some
of
our
environmental
community
have
commented
today
and
and
in
the
past,
it's
the
next
decade.
That
is
really
the
most
important
that
we
act
so
so
we
wanted
to
limit
the
sort
of
increase
over
time.
G
So
each
each
fuel
cell
kind
of
you
know
requires
obviously
an
offset
somewhere
else,
but
but
it's
the
same
type
of
trade-off.
We're
making.
When
we
look
at
the
the
power
mix
for
san
jose,
clean
energy
right,
so
we're
making
these
trade-offs
in
almost
everything
we
do
to
try
and
not
have
one
decision
have
a
ripple
effect
to
impact
negatively
all
the
other
climate,
smart
actions,
and
so
so
it's
definitely
a
trade-off.
G
But
to
directly
answer
your
question,
I
can't
tell
you
how
we
would
make
that
up
today,
because
we
need
to
look
at
kind
of
how
many
we
think
would
be
permitted
and
then
and
then
how
quickly
we
could
adjust.
But
I
am
confident
that
the
faster
we
can
get
people
out
of
their
cars
and
out
off
the
roadways
and
reduce
congestion
that
that
will
have
a
very
significant
impact
in
achieving
our
climate.
Smart
goals.
D
Okay,
but
just
to
reiterate,
as
you
you
have
now
twice,
we
don't
have
that
analysis
on
on
sort
of
the
specific
trade-offs
or
impacts
to
our
climate.
Smart
goals
between
this
latest
supplemental
and
your
original
direction.
G
A
D
It-
and
I
I'm
not
intending
on
anybody
to
try
to
answer
that
question
right
now.
Obviously,
what
I'm?
What
I'm
indicating
is
that
we
didn't
do
that
analysis
ahead
of
time
and
we
make
assumptions
all
the
time
on
impacts,
as
you
mentioned
right
now,
carry
in
regards
to
vehicle
miles,
travel
right,
based
on
a
decision
we
make.
We
make
assumptions
on
on
what
sort
of
changes
may
occur
in
people's
driving
habits.
D
We
don't
truly
know
the
answer
to
those,
but
in
this
case
I
think
we
may
even
be
able
to
make
more
educated
assumptions,
because
we
can
just
reach
out
to
bloom
and
try
to
get
an
idea
of
how
many
people
they
might
be
working
with,
and
we
have.
I
think
it's
a
little
odd
that
we
don't
even
know
necessarily
how
many
bloom
boxes
are
out
there.
When
I,
I
assume
we
should
be
able
to
ask
bloom,
I'm
guessing
they
would
know
since
they
sold
them.
D
But
I
I'm
not
again,
I'm
not
asking
did
this
be
answered
now,
I'm
sort
of
just
asking
that
was
this
actually
conducted
or
not,
and
it
wasn't
that's
all.
I
was
just
trying
to
clarify
and-
and
I
would
have
liked
to
have
seen
that
to
truly
understand
the
implications
between
the
the
two
proposed
directions,
or
at
least
this.
The
latest
supplemental.
G
And
thank
you
councilmember,
my
apologies
for
not.
If,
if
I'm
not
being
clear
what
I
I
guess,
the
other
piece
to
that
equation
is
not
just
sort
of
what
would
offsets
would
we
have
to
employ
to
make
up
for
allowing
these
boom
boxes?
The
other
piece
of
that
equation
is
how
many
businesses
did
not
locate
in
san
jose
or
how
much
new
construction
did
not
occur
to
infill
and
densify,
because
they
they
were
uncertain
about
the
stability
of
power
in
our
city,
and
so
I
don't
have.
G
I
don't
have
both
sides
of
that
equation
to
guess,
and
I
don't
know
that
I
could
guess
that,
and
obviously
my
recommendation
is,
I
think
I
don't
want
to
get
in
the
way
of
businesses
densifying,
and
so
I
think
the
trade-off
is
worth
it,
but
I
don't
I
I
don't
have
the
math
as
you've
as
you've
stated,
I
don't
have
the
math
to
back
that
up.
D
Thank
you,
yeah.
That's
that's
sort
of
just
what
I
was
clarifying
and
I
do
understand
your
your
point
here
that
you
know
potentially
you
you
might
not
have
had
better
math
anyways.
I
I
I
just
beg
to
differ
that
I
think
we
could
have
made
some
educated
guesses
here,
as
we
do
a
lot
of
times
when
we
make
assumptions,
and
so
especially
if
the
council
had
directed
that
to
come
forward
perfect
or
not.
D
I
think
we
could
have
had
some
some
comparative
analysis
and,
additionally,
I
think
one
of
the
things
that
I
think
should
be
clear
is
that,
regardless
of
your
original
memorandum
or
either
one
of
your
supplementals,
there
are
still
allowable
opportunities
within
the
ordinance
that
would
grant,
for
instance,
the
hardship
exemption,
and
so
it's
not
necessarily
that
there
would
be
some
outright
ban
and
there
wouldn't
be
an
opportunity
for
a
company
should
they
desire
and
then
ultimately
be
granted.
An
exemption
to
utilize
such
a
fuel
cell
backup
or
a
bloombox,
for
instance.
G
Chris,
I'm
gonna
chris
burton.
Could
you
maybe
share
a
little
bit
of
the
economic
development
perspective
in
terms
of
what
you're
hearing
from
our
businesses
and
developers
on
that
topic?.
B
Yeah
sure
I
I
think
you
know,
as
we
look
at
the
market
and
try
and
understand
kind
of
the
future
for
development
and
the
sort
of
opportunity
there
are.
Definitely
you
know
there
is
definitely
the
ability
for
businesses
to
work
within
the
ordinance.
I
think
kind
of
back
to
your
previous
question.
Council
member.
B
You
know
we
do
see
development
sloping
slowing
down
significantly,
and
so
probably
the
priority
over
the
next
three
to
five
years
will
be
expansion
or
sort
of
renovation
and
reuse
of
existing
buildings
right
which
is
not
included
in
the
ban.
So
people
do
have
the
opportunity
to
use
these
types
of
facilities
on
existing
buildings
or
sort
of
within
the
space
of
that
hardship,
exemption
kind
of
leave
some
room
for
for
businesses
to
continue
to
make
those
types
of.
D
Investment,
okay.
So
interpreting
that
I
think
the
answer
to
my
question
was
yes,
that
that
there
is
indeed
sort
of
an
avenue
and
in
fact,
there's
there's
multiple
avenues.
One
is,
as
you
point
out,
which
is
older
buildings
being
renovated,
but
two
there
is
still
this
hardship
exemption
as
an
opportunity
might
not
be
the
the
obviously
the
easiest
path
that
advocates
of
bloom
technology
or
other
fuel
cells
would
would,
or
that
we've
heard
them
tonight
asked
for,
but
indeed
there
is
a
pathway
there,
especially
if
we
are
truly
concerned
about
some
of
these.
D
These
that,
I
think
you
know,
we
would
also
want
to
be
granted
a
hardship
exemption,
because
you
know
we
want
them
to
have
that
sort
of
backup
opportunity,
but
yet
making
our
our
sort
of
our
our
line
in
the
sand
be
one
that
is
more
firm
versus.
I
think,
as
some
of
the
advocates
have
pointed
out
today,
as
well
starting
off
with
an
exemption,
I
think.
D
Instead,
we
can
make
those
decisions,
one
at
a
time
to
truly
understand
if
indeed
a
hardship
exemption
would
be,
would
be
granted
or
necessary
or
would
be,
I
should
say,
necessary
and
then
granted
and
so
a
couple
more
questions.
I
want
to
I've
heard
that
these.
I
guess
that
the
gas
pipelines
that
we
have
that,
potentially
if
other
low
carbon
fuel
or
hydrogen
for
instance,
becomes
available,
could
the
pipelines
that
we
have
for
natural
gas?
D
Can
they
actually
be
converted
for
for
hydrogen
use
to
be
flowing
through
them,
one
question
and
then
the
second
would
be.
Could
these
fuel
cells
actually
switch
over
from
the
natural
gas
used
to
hydrogen,
which
which
may
not
be
a
question
for
staff
and
I'm
happy
to
have
maybe
invite
somebody
else
from
from
bloom
to
jump
in
but
I'll?
Let
staff
try
to
answer
at
least
the
first
one.
B
Unfortunately,
no
you
know
we're
in
the
we're
in
the
electricity
generation
business,
not
the
gas
to
buildings
business.
So
I'm
not.
I
can't
speak
on
that.
Technically.
I'm
sorry.
C
Yeah,
I
I
think
that
there
are
certainly
folks
who
are
heavily
invested
in
that
effort
now
and
that's
one
reason
why
I
was
asking
to
see
if
the
doctor
from
uc
irvine
I'll
see,
if
he's
still
there
jacob
brower,
I
think
he's
in
the
waiting
room
or
on
the
attendee
list.
If
you're
interested
in
answering
that
question,
I
know
he's
been
studying
that
and
I
just
I
believe
he
may
be
involved
in
the
project
down
in
socal
gas.
I
just
okay,
okay,
great
dr
brower.
Do
you
want
to
give
a?
C
D
G
So
we
do,
we
do
understand
that
there
is
a
significant
and
increasing
interest
in
creating
a
hydrogen
pipeline.
There
are
longer
range
vehicles,
trucks,
etc.
G
That
are
able
to
use
to
use
that
now
and
and-
and
we
would
expect
to
see
more
interest
in
that,
but
and
it
does
sound
very
expensive,
and
so
I
don't
think
that
transition
is
something,
and
that
would
happen
without
significant
consumer
uptake,
and
so
I
think
it
is
likely
to
be
feasible
likely
something
to
be
explored
and
could
provide
a
lot
of
potential
for
for
backup
power
so
that
we
have
a
little
bit
more
redundancy
in
our
system,
and
we
do
know
that
fuel
cell
companies
are
looking
at
it
and
piloting
technologies.
G
But
we
have
not
done
any
assessment
in
san
jose,
but
but
I
do
know
that
the
the
state
is
interested
in
it
in
converting
to
hydrogen.
But
again
I
don't
know
the
timeline
on
that.
D
Okay,
thank
you.
Yeah.
We
got
a
joint
letter
from
menlo
spark
mothers
out
front
in
the
sierra
club
talking
about
sort
of.
I
guess
that
that
it's
it's
not
necessarily
possible
for
some
of
these
conversions
and
again,
I'm
not
an
expert,
so
I
I'm
looking
for
at
least
on
my
end,
our
you
know
our
staff
to
sort
of
help
with
some
of
that
understanding.
If,
if
indeed
these,
these
natural
gas
pipelines
can
be
converted
or
not
and
and
and
it
sounds
like,
we
don't
have
the
the
best
answer-
correct.
G
Well,
my
understanding
is
that
the
there
is
the
condition
of
the
natural
gas
pipeline
is
in
need
of
attention
anyway.
So
I
I
would
assume,
like
I
said,
it'll,
be
a
long-term
and
expensive
initiative.
D
Okay-
and
I
will
I
I
want
to
kick
it
over
first
to
see
if
there
is
somebody
mayor
on
the
on
the
call
who
spoke
with
us
back
in
september
from
the
smith
group
stet
sanborn,
that
may
have
maybe
a
more
detailed
answer
and
then
I'll
then
I'll
maybe
pose
the
second
question
as
well
and
and
see
if
there's
somebody
from
bloom
that
that
wanted
to
jump
on.
B
Here,
if
you
guys
can
hear
me
yeah,
we
can
hear
you
great,
so
I
can.
I
can
address
that
question
a
little
bit
and
thank
you
for
allowing
me
to
speak
so
typically,
my
understanding
is
that,
under
with
existing
natural
gas
pipelines,
there's
a
maximum
blend
of
hydrogen
to
natural
gas
that
could
fit
within
the
existing
infrastructure
without
major
upgrades,
and
I
think
that
upper
limit
is
around
20
blend
of
hydrogen
to
natural
gas
in
existing
pipelines.
B
Now,
remember,
though,
that
that's
an
offset
it's
sort
of
taking
the
place
of
natural
gas,
but
you're
not
going
you're,
not
eliminating
the
fugitive
emissions
from
natural
gas
that
are
leaking
from
the
current
infrastructure,
so
I
think
that's
really
important
is
that
there
is
a
viable
path
for
hydrogen
and
hydrogen-based
fuel
cells
within
a
renewable
energy
portfolio.
B
But
it's
not
likely
that
long-term,
that's
going
to
be
based
on
the
existing
natural
gas
pipeline
infrastructure.
You
know
talk
to
anybody
in
san
bruno
and
ask
them
if
they
want
hydrogen
being
pumped
through
the
pipeline
going
through
their
neighborhood,
and
it's
not
going
to
result
in
the
sort
of
savings
that
people
are
projecting.
B
Now
there
is
actually
substantial
opportunities
for
hydrogen
in
localized
storage
environments,
on-site
production
from
renewable
energy
through
electrolysis
or
other
technologies,
and
on-site
storage
is
probably
more
viable
than
transport
through
pipelines.
The
big
energy
hog
from
hydrogen
standpoint
is
going
to
be
the
compression
energy,
the
energy
required
to
compress
it
to
store
it.
So
that's
typically
where
the
big
energy
hog
goes
and
the
related
co2
emissions
with
hydrogen
are
associated
with
compression
energy.
D
Thank
you
stead.
I
appreciate
you
jumping
in
and
it
does
sound
like
kerry,
had
had
some
understanding
in
regards
to
the
infrastructure
itself
is
one
of
the
major
problems
correct.
So
I
appreciate
appreciate
that
answer.
Thank
you
and
then
mayor.
I
don't
know.
If
you're
aware
of
somebody
from
blue,
I
apologize,
I
don't
have
somebody
to
to
call
up.
C
Yeah
just
ask
if
somebody
from
bloom
could
raise
their
hand
they'd
like
to
speak
on
this
issue.
I
know
that
blooom
is
currently
testing
the
use
of
their
fuel
cell
in
south
korea,
where
they
do
have
the
hydrogen
infrastructure.
C
I
know
that
because
they
actually
presented
this
to
the
city
to
see
if
we
were
interested
in
also
piloting
something
like
this
and
they're.
I
know
they're
working.
They
just
signed
some
deal
with
socalgas
on
a
pilot
down
there
as
well.
C
So
I
see
mark
bernardi.
B
Yes,
hi
mark
hi,
I
just
I'm
in
the
installations
team,
and
so
I
do
the
installs
locally,
but
we
yes,
I
would
defer
to
anyone
on
the
product
development
team,
but
yes
in
korea.
D
We
do
have
those
we.
B
Are
developing
solutions
across
using
hydrogen
and
we
have
natural
gas
here,
but
I
think
the
other
aspect
of
this
I
want
to
stress
is
that
the
the
it's
one
source
isn't
the
solution.
So,
like
the
balance
of
oh,
you
can.
B
L
C
Should
ask
him
a
question:
is
that
venket?
Could
you
please
raise
your
hand,
think
it
yeah.
D
C
Okay,
perhaps
because
you're
a
false,
you
can
ask
a
question:
you
can
respond.
D
Yeah
so
hi
thanks
mickey,
hopefully
you'll
be
able
to
answer
it,
and
the
question
was
really
twofold:
it
was
wanting
to
understand
better
if
our
current
natural
gas
pipelines
can
actually
be
converted
over
to
have
hydrogen,
for
instance,
flowing
through
them,
and
specifically,
you
know,
could
the
the
already
installed
fuel
cells
be
able
to
switch
over,
and
so
that
two
part,
if
you
don't
mind
trying
to
answer.
K
K
K
Currently
the
fuel
cells
can
handle
even
the
current
generation
of
the
product.
We
ship
today
can
handle
a
mix
of
hydrogen
and
natural
gas
up
to
up
to
45
to
50
of
hydrogen,
so
we
can
do
pretty
high
percentage
of
hydrogen
if
it's
available
the
only
product
we
are
releasing
next
year
or
it
actually
is
going
up
to
korea
this
year
is
hydrogen
only
product.
K
The
reason
being
is:
hydrogen
only
product
can
simplify
the
system.
We
can
simplify
the
system
to
deal
with
hydrogen
only
product,
that's
what
we
are
doing,
but
the
current
product
that
we
are
shipping
to
the
customers
can
handle
natural
gas
in
the
mix
of
natural
gas
and
hydrogen
up
to
50
of
hydrogen.
D
D
He
spoke,
and
carrie
spoke
from
our
city
staff,
that
one
of
the
challenges
that
the
you
know-
conversion,
I
guess,
could
be
possible
with
our
current
natural
gas
pipelines,
but
that
one
of
the
challenges
is
that
that
infrastructure
is
not
necessarily
something
anybody
would
want
to
use
and-
and
one
of
the
examples
pointed
out
was
obviously
the
the
leaks
that
are
occurring
throughout
that
system
and
specifically,
what
we
saw
here
in
san
bruno
that
that
were
even
though
maybe
it
would
be
possible
that
it's
not
likely
that
our
current
infrastructure
would
actually
be
utilized
because
of
its
age
and
issues.
K
Yeah
that
that
a
little
bit
I
was,
I
didn't
know
that
their
aging
is
an
issue.
The
if
you
go
with
the
lfl,
which
is
the
flammability
limit.
The
safe
limit
is
definitely
below.
20
is
a
safe
limit.
It
doesn't
have
the
same
criteria
as
pure
nitrogen
of
a
hydrogen
line.
So
I'm
a
little
surprised.
I
don't
think.
D
It
seems
like
everybody
kind
of
agrees,
that
under
20
is
the
yeah,
the
mix,
but
I
think
it's
more
the
infrastructure
itself,
regardless
of
what
the
mix
is
regardless
of
what
you're
running
through
there,
it
sounds
like
the
infrastructure
is
not
something
that
that
would
be
sustainable
to
be
used
in
the
future,
anyways
I.e,
meaning
we
would
need
to
lay
new
pipe,
and
so
I
just
I
I
if
you
don't
have
any
you
know
understanding
or
comment
on
that.
That's
fine!
I
just-
and
I
know.
K
K
D
D
K
If
this
is
an
interesting
observation,
if
you
really
end
up
in
trying
to
put
a
new
line
in,
that
will
be,
that
will
be
quite
detrimental
to
the
utilities
to
go
with
the
hydrogen
injection
so
and
the
fact
that
they
are
all
thinking
about
it
not
just
here
worldwide
is
the
fact
that
we
can
be
injecting
into
the
same
line,
not
necessarily
creating
a
completely
new
line.
Is
I
never
heard
of
that,
so
I
can
confirm
it,
but
in
general
I
don't.
C
B
C
D
Yeah,
that's
it
for
my
questions,
but
yeah.
Thank
you
for
for
jumping
on.
So
I'm
sorry
mayor.
That's
that's
it
for
my
questions
for
him,
but
I
got
a
couple
more
sorry
sure
yeah,
so
it
just
I'm
curious,
and
I
know
it
sounded
like
casper
davis
mentioned
this
as
well
or
asked
this.
But
if
staff
can
reiterate
what
would
be
the
current
impact
or
the
impact?
Excuse
me
the
current
owners
of
bloomboxes.
G
D
To
reiterate,
if
if
we
did
move
with
just
the
first
memo
there,
maybe
can
walk
me
through
how
maybe
a
new
project
might
be
able
to
use
a
bloombox
or
any
gas
fuel
cells.
Would
that
you
know,
if
you
can
describe,
would
that
be
through,
for
instance,
what's
described
in
the
ordinance
as
the
limited
exemption
if
they
were
manufacturing
industrial
food
establishments
at
least
up
until
2022
or
or
could
that
also
be,
or
maybe
it's
an
and
or
through
the
hardship
exemption
for
other
types
of
developments?
G
So,
thank
you,
so
the
hardship
exemption
could
be
applicable
depending
on
the
the
obviously
the
the
condition
of
that
company
and
the
availability
of
alternatives
can.
If,
if
you
could
provide
a
little
more
depth
on
that
and
then
rosalind,
if
you
or
lori
have
anything
to
add,
that
would
be
great.
B
Sure
the
the
definition
we
use
for
industrial
is
the
the
state's
definition,
and
there
is
a
sub
category
within
that
for
electrical
generation.
B
I
can't
comment
on
how
bloom
would
sort
of
navigate
themselves
into
that
position,
because,
right
now
their
installations
are
behind
the
meter
so
that
that
would
have
to
be
something
that
they
would.
They
would
look
at
that's
how
they
could
fit
into
that,
but
I
think
it
is
an
andor
and
they
could
go
through
if
it
was
just
the
original
memo,
a
hardship
exemption
process
as
well.
G
Standpoint
so.
H
I
B
D
Sorry,
thank
you
about
that.
Talking
to
myself
apologize,
so
I
appreciate
that-
and
I
guess
so
for
it
sounds
like
there
are
the
two
options
then
correct.
There
are
these
limited
exemptions
up
until
2022,
and
then
there
are
continued
hardship.
D
Exemptions
would
be,
and
obviously
that's
a
case-by-case
basis,
as
sort
of
was
described
here
that
I
guess
we
obviously
couldn't
give
an
example
until
we
actually
get
a
case
to
move
forward,
but
that
that
those
those
would
be
the
two
opportunities
for
a
new
project
and
a
new
development
if
they
wanted
to
indeed
implement
the
use
of
a
bloombox
or
a
fuel
cell
correct.
Is
that
a
correct
summary.
G
Yes-
and
I
would
just
ask
chris
burton
if
you
could
maybe
share
what
you
heard
from
some
developers
in
terms
of
why
why
they
were
or
were
not
comfortable
with
the
need
to
apply
for
a
hardship
exemption
and
and
how
that
uncertainty
impacted
their
decisions.
D
And
and
before
chris
jumps
in
though,
if
you
can
answer,
sir
one
question:
is
the
difference
between
sort
of
that
that
the
first
memo,
and
and
this
second
supplemental
is
it?
Is
it
I
guess
it's
it's
two
or
four
years
then
really
right
depending
on.
If
you
are
a
new
development
that
fits
the
limited
exemption,
then
it's
really
a
two-year
difference.
G
G
Correct
so
any
so,
you
can
always
apply
any
at
any
time,
apply
for
a
hardship,
exemption
and
meeting
that
criteria.
D
B
Yeah,
so
we
did
speak
to
some
developers.
I
think
you
know
part
of
the
issue
around
any
sort
of
limited
time
program
is
around
the
uncertainty
of
timeline.
B
When
you
think
about
development,
even
sort
of
four
years
is
relatively
short
term,
given
the
sort
of
decision
making
and
the
process
that
occurs
so
so,
I
think
that's
just
sort
of
some
of
the
things
that
we've
heard
around
the
sort
of
challenges,
around
hardship,
exemptions,
plus
the
sort
of
necessary
burden
of
proof
that
companies
have
to
demonstrate
and
that
you
know
some
of
those
requirements
are
a
little
can
be.
You
know
a
little
bit
subjective
and
and
sort
of
they
need
to
work
around
that.
D
Thank
you,
chris,
so
I'll
I'll
wrap
up
here
mayor
and
I
noticed
we
didn't
put
the
no
the
timer
edge
over
that
mirror
yeah.
I
guess
we
do
as
far
as
I'm
concerned,
I'm
still
under
15
minutes
so,
but
in
in
in
wrapping
up
here
and
just
summarizing,
especially
what
actually
after
chris
was
just
saying,
I
think,
there's
there's
still
most
definitely
a
an
opportunity
for
new
development
to
take
advantage
of
of
this
fuel
cell
technology,
regardless
of
the
direction
that
we
go
and
at
a
worst-case
scenario.
D
What
it
sounds
like
is
that
it's
inconvenient
if
we
move
with
staff's
initial
recommendation,
I
think
what
we're
saying
is
it's
going
to
be
a
little
bit
more
inconvenient
for
a
business
to
to
do
so?
I
recognize
others
may
have
different
opinions,
but
that's
that's
how
I
am
now
understanding
this
and
sort
of
even
what,
after
chris
just
stated
and
all
that
we've
heard.
I
think
that
the
the
hardship
exemption
or
for
the
next
two
years,
the
limited
exemption,
provides
enough
of
an
opportunity
for
any
new
development.
D
Should
they
truly
wish
to
utilize.
What
we,
I
think,
can
confirm
is
dirtier
technology
and
and
really
something
that
as
kerry
points
out
is
not
likely
to
to
last
regardless
and
that
that
we're
obviously
all
hopeful
that
we
have
some
cleaner
tech
or
energy
generation
propelling
us
forward.
D
Anyways
and-
and
so
I
would
be
much
more
inclined
to
support
the
initial
memo
coming
from
from
staff
and
at
the
same
time
I
I
certainly
recognize
some
of
the
the
the
challenges,
and
one
of
them
specifically
was
for
our
our
workforce
and-
and
I
appreciate
the
letter
coming
in
from
the
the
south
bay
labor
council
in
and
the
one
from
local
393,
as
this
is
going
to
be
most
impactful
to
to
their
members
and
and
their
line
of
work.
D
My
understanding
is
that
the
the
local
in
san
francisco
actually
got
behind
some
of
their
efforts
and
it
sounds
like
there
is
indeed
a
path
forward
and
for
me
I
think
what
it
really
is
is
it
includes
the
direction
that
the
mayor
had
stated.
He
would
support
as
well,
which
I
don't
think
it
made
it
into
the
initial
motion.
D
But
I
would
like
to
do
a
substitute
motion
and
and
move
staff's
original
memorandum,
but
then
also
include
this
work
on
convening
a
future
of
work
workshop
with
the
key
stakeholders
from
labor
business
and
the
environmental
community
that
was
originally
recommended
by
local
393
on
march
31st
or
excuse
me.
It
was
originally
recommended
by
them
and
then
have
that
done
by
march
31st,
as
was
in
the
the
letter
that
we
all
received,
and
so
that'll
be.
My
motion.
D
Yeah
the
motion
is
to
move
staff's
original
memoranda
and
then
to
include
in
it
a
direction
that
was
included
in
a
letter
that
we
got
earlier
today
from
the
south
bay
labor
council.
That
asked
to
convene
a
future
of
work
workshop
with
key
stakeholders
from
labor
business
and
environmental
community.
So
it's
those
two
items.
C
Cancer
paralysis,
to
be
clear,
it
does
not
include
the
recommendation
from
the
local
about
including
the
exemption
is
that
correct.
D
C
All
right,
I
I
know
the
chief
technology
officer
from
bloom
is
mr
van
catamaran
has
taken
time
to
answer
questions
so
concerned.
Yep.
If
you
don't
mind,
if
I
just
jump
in
I'd
like
to
ask
a
couple
questions
because
he
needs
to
go
yes,
please,
let's
just
value
his
time.
Thank
you.
I
appreciate
it.
Mr
mccaterman,
I
appreciate
you
taking
a
moment
here.
I'm
not
sure
I
think
you're
still
with
us
yeah,
you
are
yeah.
I'm
here,
I'm
here
great,
just
to
be
just
to
be
really
clear.
K
F
K
Option
yeah,
it's
a
very
understudy.
It's
it's
it's
available
right
now,
if
you
have
the
hydrogen
infrastructure
ready
to
put
hydrogen
in,
all
we
have
to
do
is
is
a
we'll
swap
out
the
module.
We
don't
have
to
change
anything.
The
the
reason
being
is
that
we
have
a
higher
efficiency
module
that
we
are
building
right
now,
so
we'll
take
a
every
box
has
got
a
fuel
cell
module.
C
K
Right
is
that
right,
yeah,
the
electrolyzer
that
we
are
building
today
is
capable
of
taking
low
cost
electricity
and
converting
the
water
into
hydrogen.
That
can
be
onsite
either
it
could
be
fueling
state
gap
or,
if
you,
if
you
do,
have
hydrogen
fuel
cell
vehicles
right
and
you
can
put
the
on-site
hydrogen
generator
that
can
fit
in.
There
are
multiple
applications.
We
can
put
the
on-site
hydrogen
generator
itself.
C
K
I
think
the
as
you
might
know,
microgrid
is
getting
popular
because
of
the
reliability
issues
with
the
grid,
the
psvs
events
and
the
whole
bunch
of
stuff
behind
the
meter
is
easy
to
go
and
insert
the
distributed
energy
resource,
just
like
our
fuel
cell
in
the
microgrid
environment,
and
also
some
of
the
work
we
are
doing
with
puc
as
well
as
as
pg
e
is.
We
can
also
extend
it
to
in
front
of
the
meter
solution.
K
Also,
so,
essentially,
you
can
create
the
grid
at
the
substation
level,
also
with
with
our
fuel
cell,
so
both
are
feasible.
We
are
ready
for
both
of
them.
The
flexibility
exists.
So
the
way
we
see
it
is
we
on
the
front
end.
We
are
fuel
flexible
right
today,
natural
gas
blend
of
natural
gas,
with
hydrogen
biogas
at
the
feedstock
from
a
biogas.
Obviously,
the
carbon
neutral,
which
we
can
also
replace
with
the
hydrogen
from
a
fuel
cell
side
of
it,
have
the
fuel
flexibility
on
the
downstream
of
it.
K
C
Okay,
all
right!
Thank
you
very
much,
sir.
I
appreciate
it,
you
know
what
could
you
hang
around
in
case?
A
couple
other
folks
have
questions.
I
see
some
other
hands
up
yeah.
Thank
you
very
much.
Yeah
yeah
appreciate
it.
Counselor
yep.
E
Yes,
sir,
so
I
I
just
wanted
to
jump
in
and
give
my
two
cents
on
this.
I
you
know
everyone's
talking
about
the
economy
and
and
well
for
me,
the
one
one
thing
that
kind
of
kicks
out
this
economy
again
is
consumption
and-
and
we
have
people
you
know,
staying
at
home
and
not
able
to
get
out
there
and
work
and
we're
not
we're
saving
more
than
than
spending.
E
E
You
know
spurred
funded
70
of
the
sales
tax
revenue
for
for
our
general
fund,
and
I
I
know
that
staff
mayor's
office,
my
office
has
done
a
lot
of
work
in
over
the
years
to
kind
of
convince
bloom
to
move
from
sunnyvale
or
to
expand
for
sunnyvale
into
north
san
jose
and,
as
the
mayor
mentioned
earlier
today,
doing
the
similar
work
with
hpe
getting
them
to
move
from
their
headquarters
from.
I
think
palo
alto
to
north
san
jose
and
with
news
today
that
they're
moving
their
headquarters
to
houston.
E
I
I'm
concerned
about
you,
know
the
market
moving
away
from
san
jose.
I
know
that
the
the
hp
site
will
still
be
open
with
with
employees,
so
they're,
not
vacating
the
site,
but
for
us
to
bring
bloom
energy
to
san
jose
and
to
basically
not
welcome
their
their
products
is,
is
concerned
to
me
now
clearly
that
in
and
of
itself
is
not
not
a
good
enough
reason
to
allow
for
an
exemption
if
they
have
a
product
that
is
dirty
or
is
not
in
line
with
the
vision
that
we
have.
E
I,
I
would
agree
with
councilman
perales's
general
point,
but
we
we
know
that
even
bloom
knows
that
there
are
other
technologies
out
there
and
they're
working
on
that.
They
it's
been
mentioned
about
their
hydrogen
fuel
cell.
It's
not
just
an
idea
or
a
pipe
dream.
I
think
they
they
even
won
a
competitive
bid
to
to
get
that
in.
It
was
chiang
juan
south
korea
right
to
provide
100
to
hydrogen-powered
the
solid
oxide
fuel
cells
and
electrolytes
electrolyzers.
E
E
We
have
representatives
here,
but
you
know
based
on
the
fact
that
they're
moving
towards
hydrogen,
I
I
feel
that
they
understand
that
their
natural
gas
fuel
cells
are
not
their
business
model
and
that's
probably
going
to
change
in
the
future,
and
so
also,
as
you
know,
the
person
who's
who's
gotten
the
opportunity
to
deal
with
a
lot
of
the
companies
in
north
san
jose.
E
I
I've
been
able
to
see
some
proprietary
information
that
I
won't
get
into,
because
I
don't
want
to
misstate
it,
but
I'm
I'm
very
optimistic
about
the
future
and
what
what
companies
in
north
san
jose
within
our
city
of
boundaries
are
doing
in
regard
to
climate
change
and
their
their
technologies
that
I've
seen
or
the
companies
are
working
on
to
you
know,
deal
with
the
carbon
output
and
turn
that
carbon
into
something
productive.
That
would
actually
fuel
our
economy
and
create
more
jobs
locally.
E
So
I
I
know
that
we're
on
the
same
page
here,
but
I
do
think
that
to
just
close
the
door
for
bloom
fuel
cell
energy
fuel
cells
is
not
something
that
I'm
comfortable
with
just
so
abruptly.
Without
some
sort
of
you
know
window
that
staff
has
suggested
our
staff
is
carved
out
so
that
we
can.
We
can
do
that.
So
I
I
I'm
gonna,
you
know
see
where
the
vote
goes
and
hopefully,
council
member
davis
will
get
a
chance
to
vote
on
councilmember
dave's
underlying
motion.
E
I
would
ask
councilmember
davis
to
also
include
the
the
future
to
work
workshop
in
that
that
motion,
but
that's
kind
of
where
I
I'm
at
before.
I
close.
I
just
want
to
commend
the
the
advocates
who
who
came
out
to
speak
and
write
every
time.
You
know
every
now,
and
then
we
have
these
these
issues,
where
a
lot
of
people
turn
out
to
speak
or
to
bombard
us
with
emails
and
and
phone
calls,
and
it's
always
the
environmental
groups
that
I
enjoy.
E
Reading
the
emails
the
most
because
they're
they're,
polite
and
they're
kind
of
delightful
and
they're
science
based
and
they're
always
optimistic
about
the
future
and
and
they
bring
an
energy
from
the
younger
generation
out
to
to
convey
the
their
passion
and
the
immediacy
of
this
effort,
and
this
work
and
I've
always
enjoyed
that.
So
so.
Thank
you
for
that
and
I'll
end
here
and
we'll
see
where
the
vote.
C
Goes,
thank
you.
Councilmember
councilmember
davis,.
J
Thank
you
mayor,
and
I
want
to
thank
council
members,
perales
and
yep
for
mentioning
the
future
of
work
workshop.
I
had
meant
to
include
that
in
my
original
motion
and
forgot
before
I
hit
mutant
and
yielded
the
floor,
so
I
do
want
to
clarify
that.
Should
we
get
to
the
underlying
motion
that
I
made
I
I
had
every
intention
of
including
that
future
of
work
workshop
in
into
the
motion.
C
All
right,
thank
you,
councilman,
we'll
we'll
get
to
that.
If
we
we're
able
to
councilmember
foley.
M
Thank
you.
I
have
never
had
a
subject
that
made
my
head
explode
as
much
as
this
one.
M
You
are
our
future
and
the
changes
we
are
making
today
are
because
of
you
and
because
I'm
a
mom.
I
take
that
very
seriously.
Your
comments
brought
tears
to
my
eyes
and
kate.
In
many
cases,
I'm
a
very
emotional
mother
as
it
is,
and
when
I
hear
students
advocate
so
strongly
and
so
passionately,
it
makes
me
take
notice,
carrie
something
you
said
also
made
me
take
notice
and
it
goes
along
with
the
what
the
students
were
saying.
M
G
But
what
I,
what
I
meant
was
we
would
have
a
little
bit
more
emission
than
we
would
have
without
the
exemption,
but
at
the
end
of
10
years
we
would
be
in
the
same
place,
because,
ideally,
those
natural
gas
fuel
cells
would
no
longer
be
in
operation
using
natural
gas.
So
so,
instead
of
having
a
drop,
we
would
kind
of
have
a
little
bit
less
steep
of
a
drop
and
then
eventually
get
back
to
the
same
point
in
in
2030..
G
But
all
of
the
research
indicates
that
the
next
10
years
are
incredibly
important
to
the
future
of
our
planet,
and
so
moving
quickly
in
on
all
fronts
becomes
very
important.
And
that's
really
what
I
hear
from
our
environmental
groups
is.
They
view
this
as
a
little
bit
of
a
pullback.
G
I
I
view
it
as
a
little
bit
of
a
step
back
in
terms
of
our
aggressiveness
on
banning
natural
gas,
but
that
that
step
back
allows
us
to
move
forward
more
quickly
on
densification,
which
has
other
enhanced
and
steep
benefits
to
our
climate
plan.
So
so,
from
my
perspective,
you
know
I'm
trying
to
walk
that
place
in
the
middle.
That,
from
a
policy
standpoint
is
not
personally
rewarding
because
sort
of
everyone's
mad
at
you,
but
but
generally
kind
of
trying
to
to
compromise
on
both
ends
to
to
make
forward
progress.
M
Carrie
I
hear
you,
I
feel
that
everyone's
going
to
be
mad
at
me
at
the
end
of
the
day
today
too,
so
you
said
something
else
just
now
about
the
the
fuel
cells
being
convert
being
able
to
be
converted
from
natural
gas
to
hydrogen
or
clean.
M
Clean
energy,
but
the
question
I
have
is:
what
guarantees
do
we
have
that
those
businesses
that
are
relying
on
the
fuel
cells
are
actually
going
to
make
that
transition?
Isn't
it
going
to
be
costly
for
them
to
do
so,
and
if
the
fuel
cells
will
will
last
up
to
10
years?
Why
would
they
do
that
in
a
bit?
Why
would
they
make
that
business
decision
to
make
that
change.
G
So
my
understanding
is,
you
know
in
in
the
the
fuel
cells
need
to
be
sort
of
replenished
after
five
years.
They
typically
have
a
lifespan
of
five
to
seven,
so
changing
the
fuel
input
is,
is
effort,
but
not
heroic
effort,
not
very
significant
effort,
but
my
my
hope
is
that,
as
the
stability
of
the
grid
improves
and
gets
to
where
frankly,
it
needs
to
be
that
and
there
would
not
be
a
need
for
these
products.
G
So
I'm
less
concerned
about
conversion
conversion
would
be
great
for
battery
pack,
backup
for
hospitals
and
for
others.
But
but
again
I
don't
know
how
expensive
that
would
be.
G
M
I
I
also
want
to
talk
about
hydrogen
a
little
bit.
There
there's
been
talk
about
hydrogen
being
clean
energy,
but
it
isn't
necessarily
my
understanding
and
I'm
no
expert,
but
I've
done
my
research
and
talked
to
more
people
than
I
can
care
to
consider
about.
Hydrogen
and
hydrogen
can
be
just
as
dirty
or
dirtier
than
any
other
type
of
fuel,
or
it
can
be
very
clean.
So
there's
no
guarantee
that
the
hydrogen
that
is
available
is
green
hydrogen
right
I
mean
how
do
we
make
that?
How
do
we
require
that.
C
M
N
L
Brower,
thank
you,
terrific
questions.
Thank
you,
council
member
foley.
I
also
want
to
say
that
it's
not
just
bloom
energy
you're
talking
about
here.
L
There
are
several,
I
would
say,
maybe
tens
of
companies
that
make
this
technology
that
can
both
make
hydrogen
and
convert
hydrogen
to
electricity,
and
let
me
just
mention
that
there
are
means
by
which
several
jurisdictions
have
assured
and
created
a
framework
in
which
we
make
sure
we
eliminate
the
fossil,
eliminate
the
greenhouse
gas
emissions
associated
with
hydrogen
production
and,
at
the
same
time,
use
those
very
technologies.
L
These
electrolyzers,
which
can
be
powered
off
of
sun
and
wind
power,
assure
that
these
can
enable
more
and
more
sun
and
wind
power
to
be
used.
L
This
is
this
is
the
synergistic
relationship
between
the
renewable
electricity
and
the
renewable
fuels
that
we
need
in
the
future
to
achieve
very
high,
and
I'm
talking
about
100
percent
high
renewable
energy
in
society.
L
L
No
other
researcher
in
the
world
has
a
known
solution
to
get
to
really
high
renewable
content.
If
you
want
only
50
sure
you
can
just
do
batteries
and
fuel
do
batteries
in
solar
and
wind,
you
don't
need
fuels
you
can
you
can
do
anything
with
natural
gas
to
complement
that?
It's
fine,
the,
I
would
say
the
bold
and
the
seriously
sustainable
solution
involves
both
decarbonizing
all
fuels
and
decarbonizing
grid
and
at
the
same
time,
making
sure
that
it's
zero
criteria,
pollutant
emissions-
and
this
is
this-
is
the
way
in
which
we
evolve.
L
What
we
currently
do
with
natural
gas
and
again
I'm
not
a
fan
of
natural
gas,
natural
gas
has
to
be
eliminated
eventually,
but
what
we
do
is
we
take
these
technologies
that
can
do
both
criteria,
potent
emission
reduction
and
greenhouse
gas
emission
reductions
and
enable
super
high,
I'm
talking
about
100
renewable
on
the
electric
grid
and
that's
what
hydrogen
will
enable
us
to
do
and
and
okay,
eventually,
okay,
let
me
let
me
just
mention
a
couple
of
things:
many
jurisdictions
around
the
world,
including
almost
every
european
country,
japan,
australia,
many
other
jurisdictions,
have
looked
at
this
problem
and
they
initially
didn't
think
maybe
hydrogen
and
fuel
cells
would
be
required,
but
now
they
have
committed
to
investing
billions
of
dollars,
germany
alone
9
billion
france,
another
8
billion
euros
on
hydrogen
alone,
because
it
engenders
high
super
high
100
percent
renewable
on
the
electric
grid,
while
at
the
same
time
enabling
zero
emissions
in
things
like
ships
and
planes
and
trains
and
long-haul
trucks.
L
It
enables
seasonal
storage
of
the
renewables
and
there's
not
another
solution
that
anyone
in
science
knows
about
today.
That
can
do
those
very
things
and
it's
not
just
bloom
energy
technology.
It's
a
whole
bunch
of
other
companies
that
can
participate
in
this
market
to
enable
the
city
of
san
jose,
okay
to
become
a
world
leader
in
transforming
the
grid.
Instead
of
getting
rid
of
it.
The
gas
grid
transforming
gas
infrastructure
to
support
the
renewable
vision.
M
Right,
thank
you.
I
I
appreciate
that
how
you
don't
have
any
skin
in
the
game,
professor
other
than
your
researcher,
and
you
are
an
expert
in
this-
tell
me
how
far
away
realistically
are
we
from
hydra
from
clean
hydrogen.
L
So
it's
expensive
today,
but
because
of
these
international
commitments
that
we'll
be
investing
in
this
technology,
that's
very
high
on
the
learning
curve,
okay,
still
very
high
in
the
learning
curve.
I
believe
that
these
companies
will
be
able
to
transform
their
current
investment
in
fuel
cells,
electrolyzers,
hydrogen
and
natural
gas
equipment
to
hydrogen
equipment.
L
It
will
be
very
cost
effective.
There
will
be
a
need,
as
I
think,
council
mentor
council
member
romanow
was
stating
to
replace
the
stacks
okay.
These
are
fuel
cell
stacks.
Okay,
these
are
individual
cells
that
are
stacked
one
on
top
of
each
other.
They
have
to
be
replaced
every
5
to
10
years
anyway.
This
is
kind
of
like
a
major
overhaul
of
a
power
plant
or
a
major
overhaul
of
any
kind
of
piece
of
equipment
and
these
equipment.
L
M
Okay,
thank
you
we're
really.
I
appreciate
that.
That's
good
information
and
I'll
watch
for
you
hydrogen
to
come,
but
right
now
we're
talking
about
a
ban
on
natural
gas.
So
I'd
like
to
move
over
to
chris
burton
and
ask
him
some
questions
about
development.
M
If
I
could
chris
you
you
still
with
me
chris,
you
had
mentioned
that
development
is
slowing
down,
but
isn't
it
slowing
down
because
of
the
economics
of
covid
as
much
as
anything
else
have
you
heard
from
developers
that
they're
ready
to
submit
applications
or
that
they're
going
to
buy
up
a
piece
of
property
that
they're
going
to
tear
down
and
rebuild
and
they're
not
going
to
do
it
because
we're
converting
to
all
electric
or.
I
M
Thank
you.
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
that,
because
I
I
assumed
that
was
the
case,
but
when
the
statement
is
made,
the
developers
aren't
coming
here.
It's
really
not
necessarily
that
all
electric
buildings,
in
fact
they
may
not
want
to
build
all
electric
buildings,
but
it's
there
are
other
reasons
that
are
slowing
them
down
at
this
particular
time.
M
That
would
make
sense,
then
rehab
is
not
new.
Thank
you
regarding
the
exemption
where
how,
where
and
how?
What's
the
process
for
someone
to
apply
for
the
hardship
exemption.
B
M
A
Thank
you,
council
members,
so,
as
lisa
joiner
mentioned
previously,
the
building
division
does
currently
process
exemptions
for
ada
compliant,
as
well
as
our
new
adu
amnesty
program,
and
so
the
division
does
have
some
experience
in
processing
these
exemption
requests,
and
so
we
will
be
using.
You
know
those
similar
processes
as
we
take
on
this
new
work.
You're
right.
This
is
going
to
be
new,
so
we'll
be
working
very
closely
with
ken
and
others
in
esd,
as
the
city
received,
these
requests.
M
M
Okay,
I
really
appreciate
the
debate
and
the
conversation.
As
I
said,
this
is
a
really
complicated
issue
that
literally
my
head
has
exploded
and
I
will
share
with
you
that
I
do
not
go
to
bed
at
night.
M
I'm
not
someone
who
has
difficulty
going
to
sleep
or
even
thinks
about
the
issues
when
I'm
sleeping
that
keeps
me
awake,
but
this
issue
has
kept
hasn't
kept
me
awake,
but
I
have
literally
had
dreams
about
this
four
nights
in
a
row
as
to
what's
in
the
best
interest
of
our
city
and
our
future
and
at
the
end,
I'm
a
mother
and
mama
bear
is
going
to
come
out
and
I
really
believe
that
protecting
our
environment
for
our
children,
for
my
children,
for
my
grandchildren,
for
your
children
and
grandchildren
for
the
teenagers
who
are
still
possibly
on
the
call,
is
really
the
most
important
thing
for
me.
M
So
that
is
the
number
one
thing
that
will
be
driving
my
decision.
I
also
wanted
to
share
with
you
that
I
truly
believe
in
going
green.
We
have
one
vehicle
between
the
my
husband
and
I
it's
an
all-electric
vehicle
and
we
have
21
solar
panels
that
generate
7
000
kilowatts
of
power.
So
I
I
walk
the
talk
as
much
as
I
possibly
can,
but
I
need
to
do
more
as
a
policy
maker.
So
I'm
going
with
that.
I'm
going
to
finish
conclude
my
comments
and
listen
to
the
rest
of
the
debate.
Thank
you.
H
Thank
you,
I
think
by
now.
A
lot
of
my
questions
have
been
answered,
so
I
want
to
thank
my
colleagues
were
asking
some
really
great
questions,
one
of
which
was
you
know
how
far
we
are
we
from
the
clean
hydrogen
and
it
sounds
like
from
council
member
folies
questions.
Just
recent
questions.
We
have
about
a
five-year
timeline
which
coincides
with
the
lifespan
of
a
fuel
cell,
which
is
what
we're
primarily
talking
about
today,
but
this
refers
to
any
distributed
energy
energy
resources,
so
it
could
be
solar
panels.
B
The
the
the
definition
on
the
distributed
energy
resources
within
the
body
of
the
actual
ordinance
document
it
does
contain
that
the
state
standard
in
terms
of
emissions
that
several
of
you
have
mentioned
earlier.
H
So
it's
in
the
in
the
body
of
the
ordinance,
not
necessarily
in
the
memo.
H
H
Right,
well,
wouldn't
we
wouldn't
want
anything
from
them
right
so
right
now
we're
just
talking
about
fuel
cells,
yeah
right,
okay,
one
one
of
the
questions
that
I
didn't
hear.
My
colleagues
ask-
and
I
know
this
was
I
think
in
the
first
memo-
and
that
is
that
the
the
our
san
jose
clean
energy
would
be
impacted
and
our
business
model
would
be
impacted.
H
I
think
we
would
have.
There
is
some
implications
that
we
would
have
a
loss.
What
what
exactly?
Would
that
mean
for
us
if
we
passed
the
underlying
motion.
B
Sure,
sorry,
I
didn't
introduce
myself
earlier
zach's
right
assistant,
director
of
community
energy.
You
know
electricity
that
is
being
delivered
to
a
customer
by
bloom.
B
Is
not
selling
them,
so
that's
the
reduction
in
revenue
for
us.
How
much
depends
on
the
deployment
and
as
discussed
earlier,
we
don't
seem
to
have
a
good
read
on
that.
Yet.
H
Okay,
so
we're
not
really
sure
about
what
that
impact
would
be,
because
we
don't
know
who's
in
the
pipeline.
We
don't
know
who's
going
to
construct
or
within
these
next
three
years
fast
enough
to
to
be
able
to
take
advantage
of
this
exemption.
H
So
that's
kind
of
all
up
in
the
air
and
I
think
rosalind.
You
were
asked
this
question
already
and
I
don't
think
you
I
think
you
said
that
you
couldn't
really
tell
us
who's
in
the
pipeline
like
who
would
benefit
from
from
from
this
exemption
or
how
many
not
who,
but
how
many
projects
would
benefit
from
this
exception.
A
H
Yeah,
okay,
you
know,
I
agree
with
council
member
perales
in
his
original.
I
mean
his
original
his
earlier
comments.
He
stated
you
know
we
don't
have
as
much
information.
I
feel
like
we
needed
to
have
a
study
session
on
this
item
alone.
H
H
We've
learned
from
some
of
the
experts
who've
come
and
expressed
some
some
some
of
their
wisdom
with
us,
and
I
think
professor,
oh
my
gosh,
I
can't
remember
his
name,
but
the
professor
who
just
recently
talked
also
shared
with
us
his
his.
I
think
his
thoughts
about
transforming
the
gas
infrastructure
to
renewable
and
he
said
that
that
was
about
five
years
away
and
so,
and
he
sounded
really
excited
about
all
this.
I'm
sure
you
know
as
as
somebody
in
his
field,
this
is
cutting
edge.
H
H
We
are
making
the
decisions
based
on
on
studying
these
these
issues
and
what
what
the
policies
really
mean
for
our
communities,
and
so
my
community
did
get
really
impacted
by
psps
shutdowns,
and
you
know
I
have
a
community
that
that
that
is
older
and
we
have
a
lot
of
senior
assisted
living
facilities,
and
so
I'm
very
sensitive
to
that
now.
H
I
want
to
make
sure
that
those
kinds
of
folks
have
a
consistent
source
of
energy
and
hopefully,
in
in
five
years
time
will
have,
will
definitely
have
a
mass
production
of
green
hydrogen,
which
at
this
point
we
know
is
not
going
to
happen.
H
So
my
question
is:
if
we
know
that
green
hydrogen
is
isn't
what's
going
to
be
transmitted
through
those
pipeline
through
the
pipes
and
this
ban
infrastructure,
the
natural
gas
infrastructure
really
is
to
allow
to
continue
to
allow
gas
it
this.
This
piece
to
me
really
worries
me,
and
I
think
the
professor
also
talked
about
about
how
how
we
we
could
get
potentially
in
the
future,
some
some
gas
with
with
with
some
renewable.
H
H
I
just
think
right
now
we're
we're
staring
at
continuing
with
natural
gas,
and
that,
for
me,
is
a
is
something
that
weighs
heavy
on
me
and-
and
I
think
about
you
know
our
the
future
of
our
generations
and
where
we're
gonna
stand
with
with
something
like
that.
H
And
and
how
to
balance
the
development
of
the
city
of
san
jose
with
the
needs
of
our
future
generations
like
so
how
do
we
balance
all
of
this,
and
so
that's
a
part
of
what
I'm
I'm
trying
to
to
figure
out
for
myself?
Try
to
figure
out
where
I'm
at
with
this
and
and
one
of
the
things
that
that
I
thought
about
was
well,
because
we
know
that
green
fuel
can,
or
at
least
hydrogen
can't
come
through
those
pipes.
H
Right
now,
I
thought
well,
if,
if
the
underlying
motion,
if
this
the
the
present
motion
on
the
floor
doesn't
come
through
and
the
underlying
motion
we
get
to
the
underlying
motion,
I
thought
about
well
how
about
if
there
is
a
fee
that
gets
imposed
to
those
folks
who
will
default
to
a
fuel
cell
now,
I
know
that
it's
hard
to
figure
this
piece
out,
because
from
what
we've
talked
about,
this
is
not
connected
to
a
meter,
it's
behind
the
meter.
So
it's
not
something
that
we
quantify
correct.
Gary.
G
H
Got
it
one
of
the
concerns
that
I
heard
loud
and
clear
from
the
environmental
advocates
was
what's
to
keep
these
folks
from
using
the
field
cells,
24
7
right,
which,
from
what
you
said
carrie
is,
I
think
you
you
said
it
was
a
four
and
a
half
dirtier
or
emits,
and
I
think
it
was
a
roundabout
math
formula
that
you
used,
and
so
so
I
was
wondering
how
could
we
prevent
the
fuel
cells
from
being
used
as
a
default
and.
G
Every
every
fuel
cell-
one
it
doesn't
it's
not
able
to
be
off
and
on
it's
right.
H
It's
always
it's
always
on,
so
they
will
always
default
to
a
fuel
cell,
because
I
thought
I
had
read
that
the
fuel
cells
are
are
used
as
backup.
G
No
they're
used
to
avoid
interruption
so
so
you
could
avoid
the
need
for
backup
power,
because
the
fuel
cell
provides
continuous
power.
H
Okay,
now
that
that
makes
sense:
okay,
okay,
so
I
I
see
why,
okay,
so
I
think
this
is
something
that
the
environmentalist
were
sharing
with
us
and
and
I'm
glad
that
you
cleared
that
up,
and
so
I
appreciate
that.
H
A
Thank
you
for
that
question,
kerry
and
I'll
have
colleen
back
me
up
on
this
also,
but
we've
already
raised
some
concerns
about
whether
or
not
that
would
be
a
tax
that
would
cause
some
issues
if
it
didn't
go
to
the
voters.
If,
if
there
was.
A
26
problem
colleen
did
you
have
anything.
B
I
I
Applied
so
if
that
were
council's
direction,
that
you
wanted
to
come
back
and
look
at
that,
that
would
be
something
we
would
need
to
come
back
and
look
at
and
analyze
in
within
a
framework
as
opposed
to
simply
trying
to
adopt
it.
At
this
point,.
H
For
sure
I
mean,
and
one
would
say
that
the
cost
of
these
fuel
cells
is
is
maybe
a
penalty
in
and
of
itself
from
what
I
understand,
they're
very
expensive,
but
but
this
is
in
in
an
effort
to
discourage
the
continuation
of
fuel
cells,
which
is
what
we
ultimately
all
want.
You
know
those
are
the
questions
I
had.
I
think
most
of
the
questions
that
that
were
asked.
I've
already
have
already
been
answered
for
me.
H
I'm
glad
to
see
that
in
the
underlying
motion
we
have
the
future
of
work
workshop
included
in
there.
So
I
appreciate
that
and
I
think
for
me,
though
those
are
the
questions
that
I
that
I
had
thank
you.
B
D
You
mayor,
I
I
had
a
comment,
maybe
a
question
for
jacob
brower.
I
don't
know
if
he's
still
on
is
he.
D
So
I
had
a
comment
and
and
then
a
question
for
you,
so
it
sounded
like
you
were
talking
about
the
ability
to
convert
the
infrastructure
that
we
have
now,
for
instance,
to
to
host
hydrogen
gas
from
what
we
we
got
in
the
responses
and
and
even
kerry
kind
of
confirmed
it-
that
the
current
infrastructure
that
we
have
right
now
actually
wouldn't
be
a
good
host
as
as
pipe
and
because
of
obviously
a
number
of
issues
that
has
just
aging
infrastructure
leaks,
but
one
that
I've
come
to
understand
in
regards
to
just
just
what
the
pipe
can
actually
hold.
D
And-
and
I
guess
my
understanding
is-
that
the
current
pipe
that
we
have
as
it's
set
up
for
natural
gas
would
not
be
the
the
right
kind
of
pipe
for
hydrogen
gas.
Just
in
the
way
that
it's
it's
manufactured,
I
guess,
and
so
could
you
speak
to
that?
You
didn't
mention
that
within
your
comments.
L
Yes,
and
let
me
also
address
a
comment
that
council
member
arenas
made
with
regard
to
five
years
being
the
time
frame,
the
five
years
was
the
time
frame.
D
Doctor,
I'm
sorry,
I
don't
mean
to
be
rude,
but
if
you
could
stick
to
answering
the
question
I
asked
I
I
I
I
sorry
I
know
you
may
want
to
respond
to
some
of
the
things
others
have
said,
and
somebody
may
be
happy
to
ask
the
question.
But
if
you
don't
mind
for
now
just
kind
of
responding
to
the
question
that
I've
asked.
D
L
So
the
current
pipelines
that
are
used
in
the
distribution
system,
meaning
those
inside
of
buildings
and
in
the
low
pressure
part
of
the
gas
network,
can
actually
handle
hydrogen
very
well.
The
parts
that
are
under
that
are
susceptible
and
have
leakage
and
enhanced
fatigue,
crack
growth
rate
challenges,
meaning
hydrogen
embrittlement.
You
may
have
heard
of
this
phenomenon
before
these
are
actual
physical
phenomenon
that
affect
pipeline
longevity
and
leakage.
L
D
Thank
you
for
that,
and
I
just
wanted
to
throw
the
question
over.
If
I
don't
know
if
there's
somebody
from
pg
e
or
or
actually
if
steve
flores
is
still
on
on
the
call
as
well
from
from
the
industry,
because
it's
my
understanding
that
I
guess
it's
really
the
difference
in
my
mind,
this
would
include
what's
under
our
house,
because
the
difference
is
from
welded
pipe
to
threaded
pipe
and
and
that
that's
where
the
challenge
is
and
actually
switching
over
to
to
fully
hydrogen,
so
is.
Is
there
somebody
from
pg
e?
G
And
council
member,
that's
my
understanding
as
well
that
the
the
way
the
pipes
are
connected
would
differ
because
of
the
molecule
size,
and
so
that
would
assume
if
it
would
be
100
hydrogen.
But
I
don't
know
that.
That's
necessarily
what
folks
are
alluding
to
to
the
direction
the
market
would
take.
D
I
appreciate
that
I
don't
I
don't
know
if
there's
anybody
that
was
able
to
jump
on,
I'm
going
to
look
at
the
list
and
see
who's
still
here.
B
C
B
Okay,
good,
my
microphone
wasn't
working
good
earlier,
so
the
inf
we're
talking
complete
infrastructure.
I
want
to
what's
your
question:
the
existing
infrastructure
for
pg
e
can
that
handle
hydrogen
the
infrastructure
in
your
house
in
a
new
building.
It
depends
on
what
you're
talking
about
it
yeah
it
could
be
hydrogen
gas
and
threaded
pipe.
It
would.
D
Be
both
doctors?
What
sounded
like
dr
brower
said
that
the
infrastructure
we
have
maybe
in
our
homes
would
be
able
to
handle
it,
but
maybe
not
say,
for
instance,
pg
e's
infrastructure,
so.
B
D
Thank
you.
I
appreciate
that
steve
yeah,
that's
sufficient
for
me.
I
don't
know
if
daniel
wanted
to
chime
in
from
pg
e.
B
Council
member
this
is
daniel.
I
can
follow
up
to
get
you
more
specifics
than
any
other
council
members
that
have
specific
questions
relating
to
pg
e's
system
for
our
service
territory.
B
I
think,
though,
in
hearing
a
lot
of
the
comments
in
the
discussion
tonight,
what
I
wanted
to
just
sort
of
reiterate
is
that
pg
e
is
supporting
limiting
the
expansion
of
the
existing
gas
system,
because
we
don't
want
to
have
underutilized
assets
later
on
down
the
road,
and
so
I
think
that
that's
kind
of
where
our
focus
has
been
on
this,
but
we
do
welcome
the
conversation
more
because
we
do
see
things
such
as
hydrogen
and
such
being
increasingly
discussed
in
the
energy
space
moving
forward.
D
Okay
thanks
and
I
I
think
I
got
the
answer
I
was
looking
for
and
thank
you
carrie
for
for
chiming
in
it
does
sound
like
there's,
maybe
even
more
nuanced
differences
as
we
dive
deeper
into
this.
In
the
conversation
today
and
I'll
just
end-
I
I
know
councilman
has
mentioned
in
regards
to
maybe
something
to
disincentivize
a
an
additional
fee
of
sorts
that
doesn't
sound
like
it's
possible,
but
I'd
say,
there's
nothing
more
of
a
disincentive
than
than
the
motion
that
I
have
on
the
table.
D
That
still
indeed
allows
an
opportunity
for
a
hardship
exemption
or
even
the
limited
exemption
for
the
next
couple
years.
In
my
mind,
that's
the
best
disincentive.
D
I
think
kerry
spoke
to
it
well
in
regards
to
how
quickly
we
may
be
getting
to
where
we
want
to
go,
and
in
one
sense
my
motion
gets
us
there,
much
quicker
it
disincentivizes
the
use
of
natural
gas
much
quicker.
D
It
still
allows
for
an
opportunity
for
those
that
may
qualify
for
a
hardship
exemption
or
the
limited
exemptions
for
the
next
couple
years.
So
I
I
think
it.
I
think
that
is
the
balance
if
you're
siding
with,
I
think
what
what
is
truly
important
again,
which
is
the
the
impact
we're
having
for
our
future
generations
and
no
amount
of
fee
or
dollar
amount,
I
think,
could
match
up
to
to
to
the
impacts
that
we
are
having
on
our
environment.
D
And
so
I
I
think
you
know
it's
a
bold
move
that
staff
version
came
out
with
and
and
that's
why
I
hope
my
colleagues
can
can
support
the
the
motion.
That's
currently
on
the
table,
thanks.
C
Thank
you,
I'm
not
inclined
to
support
I'd
like
to
understand
a
bit
more
and
you
know
I
know.
Councilman
policy
indicated
it'd
be
inconvenience
to
folks
about
whether
or
not
they
could
actually
qualify
for
a
hardship
exemption.
But
the
reality
is
it's
an
uncertainty,
that's
more
than
an
inconvenience,
and
I
guess
I'd.
Ask
chris
chris
burton.
Are
you
with
us
still.
C
If,
if
a
particular
industrial
user
hospital
or
data
center,
or
whatever
critically,
believes
they
need
to
have
a
fuel
cell
and
doesn't
know
whether
or
not
they'll
actually
get
a
permit
to
use
one
and
to
be
able
to
deploy
one,
how
does
that
in
fact
affect
investment
decisions
for
folks
who
decide
they
want
to
actually
move
forward
here
or
some
alternative
location
yeah
I
mean.
B
That's
exactly
the
point
there
is
they'll
always
consider
an
alternative
location
if
the
costs
are
similar
and
the
uncertainty
is
removed.
So
yeah
I
mean
I
think
it's
the
extent
that
it's
something
that
we've
adopted
and
surrounding
municipalities
have
not
then
there's
a
good
chance
that
we'll
see
that
development
go
towards
you.
C
Cancer
macroscope,
if
you
could
perhaps
mute
your
sorry,
thank
you,
and
that
gives
me
some
pause.
Maybe
jack.
Could
you
tell
us
roughly
how
many
commercial
customers
you
have
now
in
san
jose
clean
energy.
C
I'm
sorry
zach
you're,
muted
right
now.
B
Apologies,
approximately
25
000.
C
25
000
commercial
customers,
citywide,
yes,
okay,
and
so
we
think
we
have
something
roughly
on
the
order
of
magnitude.
20
bloom
boxes
now
in
the
city.
So
that's
presumably
less
than
one
tenth
of
one
percent
of
our
commercial
customers
citywide
and
that's
after
the
company's
been
in
operation
for
more
than
a
decade.
Is
that
right.
C
Okay,
I
I
know
there's
been
some
talk
about
how
this
might
affect
san
jose,
clean
energy,
but
it
seems
to
me
this
is
probably
less
than
a
rounding
error.
B
Well,
it's
I
mean
it's
our
largest,
our
largest
customer
is
a
is
a
balloon
customer
and
you
know
so
I
mean
it
is
the
big
ones,
but
but
to
date
it
is
manageable.
Right.
C
Okay-
and
I
know
that
there's
some
question
that
councilmember
foley,
I
think
rightly
raised
about
whether
or
not
hydrogen's
really
ready
now,
and
I
I
think
it's
important-
we
just
concede
that
point,
I
don't
think
anyone's
claiming
it
is
and
that's
an
important
question
she
raised.
C
For
those
folks
who
are
super
sensitive
to
the
to
green
interruption,
and
so
I
I
know
you
know
there
are
some
questions
about
whether
or
not
you
know
the
fuel
cells
are
just
about
natural
gas,
and
I
I
don't
know
if
carl
gardiner
is
still
on
the
line
or
somebody
can
answer
if
this
is
is
bloom.
A
natural
gas
company
carl,
if
you're
still
with
us.
C
O
O
That
is
really
where
we
started
as
a
company
when
we
started
the
company
19
years
ago
to
make
sure
that
that
the
market
conditions
also
have
to
be
there
for
hydrogen
or
any
other
type
of
source
of
the
electrons.
I
I
would
also
mention
on
the
resiliency
side,
because
I
think
this
is
really
important.
O
The
august
blackouts,
as
you
know,
one
out
of
five
residents
in
your
city,
one
out
of
five
two
hundred
thousand
plus
we're
without
power
for
almost
two
days
we
often
partner
at
bloom,
with
our
friends
in
solar
and
wind
batteries.
Currently,
last
about
four
hours
and
as
members
of
your
team
have
let
you
know
when
the
cpuc
and
pg
e
acknowledge
that
it
is
going
to
be
years
where
it's
only
going
to
get
worse
in
duration
and
intensity.
O
O
That's
why
it's
99.9
percent
free
of
particulate
matter,
2.5,
which
sticks
in
your
lungs
permanently,
especially
susceptible
susceptible
to
children,
seniors,
asthmatics
and
athletes,
but
all
of
us
99.9
removal
of
pm10,
of
knox
and
of
socks
and
the
option
that
we
would
be
leaving
people
with
resiliency
is
more
and
more
dirty.
Diesel
generators
that
cpuc
and
puc
have
said
is
our
destiny.
That
cannot
be
our
destiny
for
the
city
of
san
jose.
O
We
can
do
better
than
that,
because
it
is
the
neighborhoods
that
we
all
are
living
in
in
san
jose
that
I
was
raised
in
that
are
most
impacted,
whether
it's
people
in
an
assisted
living
center
or
somewhere
else.
So
this
vote
is
very
important
that
the
motion
on
the
floor
from
council
member
davis
seconded
by
council
member.
C
I'm
sorry,
I
think,
you're
pretty
beyond
the
scope
of
the
question
here.
Sorry,
I
just
want
to
make
sure
we're
resting
on
track
here.
So
you
know
my
concern
is:
is
that
we're
simply
not
providing
the
bridge?
We
need
to
get
to
an
emission
free
resilient
future,
and
I
think
you
probably
heard
a
few
of
the
reasons
why
that's
disconcerting
from
in
carl's
answer,
but
I've
articulated
several
as
well
and
leaving
a
lot
of
users
who
critically
need
that
grid
resiliency
with
an
uncertainty
about
whether
or
not
they'll
be
able
to
get.
C
It
is
simply
a
way
of
saying.
Welcome
to
sunnyvale.
Welcome
to
some
other
city
enjoy
yourself
because
you're
not
going
to
be
doing
business
here
and
we're
going
to
miss
those
employers
when
the
unemployment
rate
continues
to
climb
in
the
months
ahead.
F
Thank
you
mayor.
I
want
to
start
out
also
by
thanking
all
of
the
the
advocates
who
I've
met
with
and
who've
come
out
and
spoke
as
well
as
all
the
emails
that
I
received.
I
also
want
to
thank
carl
and
some
of
the
members
of
the
bloom
team
for
providing
me
their
perspective.
F
I
particularly
want
to
focus
in
on
you
cary,
because
you've
been
on
the
forefront
of
our
climate,
smart
initiative
and
you're
the
you're,
the
the
hub
of
the
spoke
of
all
of
our
efforts,
everything
that
we've
done
so
far
you've
been
a
driver
of
that
you're,
passionate
about
this
initiative,
you're
committed
to
the
outcomes
and
results,
and
I
don't
want
you
to
have
to
totally
repeat
yourself.
F
But
can
you
just
briefly
kind
of
walk
me
through
your
decision
making
process
in
terms
of
creating
the
exemptions,
because
I
know
that
you
didn't,
you
would
not
take
that
decision
lightly.
I
know
that
you
gave
it
a
lot
of
thought,
and
so
can
you
just
reiterate
some
of
the
rationale
behind
that
decision
and
your
thought
process.
G
G
You
know
when
you
look
at
the
graphic
of
climate,
smart,
it's
kind
of
a
windy
path
to
get
to
the
eiffel
tower
in
paris,
and
so
we're
looking
at
trade-offs
to
protect
the
environment,
to
protect
our
our
residents
and
and
economic
development
is
a
part
of
that.
So
when
we
look
to
transition
to
a
renewable
future
and
and
densifying,
you
know
the
the
term
the
mayor
used
is
kind
of
creating
that
bridge,
and
that
was
part.
G
Definitely
part
of
part
of
our
thought
process
is
how
do
we
achieve
all
of
the
objectives?
How
do
we
not
sort
of
take
one
action
that
in
takes
another
one
off
path,
and
so
we
want
the
trajectory
of
everything
to
be
going
in
the
right
direction
so
by
making
this
concession
and
allowing
a
little
bit
more
natural
gas
than
we
honestly
prefer
and
to
improve
the
densification
and
and
provide
economic
prosperity
to
all
of
our
community
through
job
creation
and
through
getting
people
out
of
their
vehicles.
G
G
But
it's
the
the
pace
at
which
we
make
that
change
needs
to
take
into
account
the
pace
that
our
businesses
can
handle
the
pace
that
our
community
can
handle
and,
frankly
the
pace
that
our
environment
can
handle
and
when
I
see
the
tension
between
the
environmental
community
and
in
the
business
community
and
and
and
like
I
said,
I'm
right
in
the
middle
of
it.
I
feel,
like
that's,
probably
a
good
spot.
F
G
We'll
reach
our
klamath
smart
goals,
so
we'll
have
to
make
some
transitions
in
the
short
term,
but
in
the
long
term
it
won't
have
a
material
impact,
but
there
would,
in
my
opinion
there
will
be
a
material
impact
if
the
densification
is
delayed.
F
So
we
should
never,
you
know,
take
necessarily
take
a
staff
recommendations
as
gospel,
but
you're
again
you're.
The
expert
in
this
in
this
area,
you've
been
in
the
trenches
with
all
the
initiatives
we've
had
so
far
and
you've
gotten
us
to
where
we
are
now,
and
so
I
have
to
take
your
recommendations.
F
F
F
I
I
really
think
that
you,
you
made
the
case
and
I'm
going
to
support
your
recommendation
as
well
supporting
the
underlying
motion.
But
again
I
want
to
thank
everybody.
Who's
come
out
and
participated
in
regards
to
whether
we
incorporate
exemptions
or
not.
F
This
is
a.
This
is
a
win
for
for
the
city,
it's
a
win
for
the
environmental
community
and
we
can't
lose
sight
of
that.
We
have
to
understand
what
we,
where
we've
been,
what
we've
accomplished
so
far
and
where
we're
going
and
consider
this
a
success,
regardless
of
whether
we
incorporate
the
exemptions
tonight
and
so
that's
all.
I
have
to
say.
G
Thank
you
vice
mayor.
I
just
want
to
reiterate
that
climate,
smart
san
jose
is
a
team
sport,
so
there's
ken
and
zach
and
rosalind
and
lisa,
and
chris
and
colleen,
and
just
the
sheer
number
of
departments
kind
of
helps
us
shape
those
those
recommendations.
C
Okay,
the
love
shared
councilman
crossco.
I
Thank
you,
and-
and
I
also
I
I
want
to
thank
you
also
carrie
and
your
whole
entire
team-
this
this
is.
This
is
not
an
easy
issue,
but
but
many
of
the
issues
that
we
deal
with
on
on
any
given
tuesday
are
not
easy.
I
I
think
this
one
is
particularly
difficult
because
we're
all
thinking
of
as
as
councilmember
foley
had
expressed
earlier
today
we're
thinking
of
the
future
of
our
children
and
and
if
we
believe,
science,
and
I
believe
that
we
have
an
extremely
intelligent
council
and
an
extremely
intelligent
staff
in
the
city,
and
we
believe
in
science,
the
era
of
not
believing
in
science
is
over,
but
but
we
believe
in
it.
I
We
we
believe
that
we're
in
in
in
on
you
know,
crunch
time
and
that
everything
that
we
do
from
here
on
out
is
going
to
impact
us
one
way
or
the
other
either
we're
we're
going
to
save
mother
earth
and,
in
turn,
have
a
future
for
our
children
or
we're
down
a
horrible
demise
and
and
with
with
no.
C
F
Thank
you
mayor
and
I'm
sorry.
I
think
I
had
my
hand
up
and
then
I
literally
lost
power
because
from
the
battery
dying
on
the
computer,
I
it
wasn't
a
great
problem
though
well
I
did
lose.
I
I
did
lose
connection
earlier
today,
so
I'm
having
a
lot
of
connectivity
issues
at
my
household
today,
but
you
know,
but
I'm
a
big
believer
in
in
being
leading
by
example,
and
I
I
appreciate
the
you
know
the
work
that
we've
done
for
from
from
mayor
to
mayor.
F
Quite
frankly,
this
this
has
been
a
goal.
You
know
we
a
green,
I
think
mayor
chuck,
reed
had
a
different
name
for
it,
green
footprint
or
whatever
it
was.
We
we've
always
been
concerned
about
our
how
we
treat
our
earth
and
and
and
we've
always
led,
led
by
example,
at
the
city
of
san
jose.
I
too,
in
my
own
personal
life.
F
Like
I
said,
I
I
confessed
to
you
that
I
bought
solar
recently
and
for
my
house
and
that
bought
another
electric
car
now
that
one
of
my
children
is
driving,
and
so
so
we
are
leading-
and
you
know,
walking
the
walk
and
talking
the
talk
and
and
and
what
I
want
to
say
is
you
know
whether
it's
preserving
you
know
thousands
of
acres
from
being
developed
in
south
coyote
or
or
all
the
other
programs
on
construction,
development
and
and
eliminating
gas?
F
I've
supported
all
of
them.
I
am
having
trouble
with
this
one
because
you
know
it.
It
does
cost
a
whole
lot
for
big
big
construction
projects.
We
we
could
look
back
to
adobe.
They
testified
on
this
issue
a
while
back
and
they
said
it
cost
them
15
more
to
build
and
and
quite
frankly,
not
every
company
has
deep
pockets
to
come
to
san
jose.
So
that's
a
consideration
for
companies
to
san
jose.
F
Some
companies
absolutely
need
uninterrupted
power
sources
and
obviously
pg
e
is
not
the
answer
and
other
than
you
know
putting
in
diesel
or
whatever
else
you
know,
we
need
to
have
some
options
open,
and
so
I
don't
believe
that
you
know
the
current
you
know.
F
I
don't
believe
that
not
doing
anything
is
is
the
right
answer,
but
I
would
rather
you
know,
measure
twice
and
and
cut
once
you
know.
I
don't
want
to
make
a
mistake
that
drives
away
our
economic,
the
potential
for
our
economic
growth,
and
I
don't
want
to
be
known
that
on
any
given
tuesday,
the
city
council
can
actually
hinder.
You
know
the
the
the
business
community
and-
and
unfortunately
I
I
think
we
are
starting
to
build
that
reputation.
But
I
I
want
to
be
clear.
F
I
I
do
support
our
environmental
goals
quite
clearly
with
with
with
votes
and
personal
action,
but
I,
but
I
am
I'm
hesitant
to
support
the
underlying
the
the
current
motion
on
the
floor
and
I
will
be
supporting
the
motion
from
council
member
davis
if,
if
it
does
come
up
only
because
I
want
to
have
a
clear
message
and
I'm
not
sold
on
on
that,
it
won't
do
any
harm,
and
so
my
whole
fear
is
do
no
harm
and
and
and
and
at
least
wait
until
this
technology
gets
del
developed
and
provide
very
few
exemptions.
F
That
could
help
us
keep
businesses
from
from
at
least
locating
elsewhere.
And
that's
that's
where
my
thinking
is.
C
B
I
Sorry,
what
are
we
voting
on?
Which
one.
B
C
J
Yes,
thank
you.
I
want
to
amend
my
original
motion
to
include
the
future
of
work
workshop
that
was
discussed
in
the
letter
from
the
plumber's
steam,
fitters
and
pipe
fitters,
and
it
talks
about
a
future
of
work
workshop
with
key
stakeholders
from
labor
business
and
the
environmental
community
to
to
guide
the
implementation,
but
also
to
talk
about
a
transition
as
we
try
to
meet
our
city's
energy
goals,
and
there
was
some
discussion
about
water
efficiency
goals
and
plumbing
for
that,
and
I
would
like
to
include
an
exploration
of
that.
It's
worded.
I
C
Yep
all
right
he's.
Okay
with
that,
in
terms
of
that
last
edition,
would
that
be
essentially
maybe
a
some
kind
of
workload
assessment
that
could
come
back
to
rules
from
staff
or.
C
Okay,
cancer
foley.
M
Thank
you
mayor.
I
wonder
my
concern
with
this
motion.
All
along
was
that
it
removed
any
type
of
sunset
as
it
related
to
the
fuel
cell
technology.
M
Would
council,
member
davis
consider
including
a
sunset
in
her
motion,
which
was
eliminated
by
the
new
language,
preferably
2023.,.
M
J
It
was
in
the
language
for
1125.
the
1125
supplemental
memo
included
that
coming
back
to
council,
I
believe
in
2023
yeah
no
later
than
december
31st
2023
to
to
basically
re-assess.
M
J
That's
correct,
plus
the
attached
adu
exemption
from
the
1116
mess.
M
C
Okay,
you
know
I
own
an
apology
to
council
member
carrasco.
I
remember
now
that
she
actually
got
cut
off
because
her
connection
was
lost
and
then
I
think
during
the
vote.
She
wanted
to
speak
again
and
I
wasn't
thinking
about
that
fact.
Casper
across
did
you
want
to
speak
now.
I
I
The
one
thing
I
do
want
to
say
at
least
to
be
able
to
go
on
the
record
is,
is
that
you
know
the
the
motions
now
it's
councilmember
davis's
motion
that
I
that
we
need
to
consider
is
whatever
we
do
here
in
the
city
of
san
jose,
because
we
are
the
largest
city
in
the
bay
area
and,
of
course,
the
10th
largest
in
the
country,
and
we
can't
forget
that
the
world
is
looking
at
us.
The
country
looks
at
us.
I
We
lead
by
example,
and
so,
even
though
it
may
only
be
you
know,
a
very
small
number
of
cells
here
we
set
the
example
and,
and
it
can
have
a
rippling
effect,
a
domino
effect
for
the
rest
of
the
of
the
bay
area
and
for
the
rest
of
the
country.
My
concern
is
that
that
we
we
leave
a
future
for
our
children.
I
That
may
not
be
optimal
and
may
be
one
that
is
in
in
in
peril,
and
so
as
we
look
at
future
technologies,
I
really
do
hope
that
that
we
are
looking
to
see
how
we
are
leaving
a
future.
That
truly
is
a
future
for
our
children,
and
that
truly
is
one
that
is
going
to
to
ensure
the
wellness
and
the
safety
of
of
everybody.
And-
and
I
want
to
say
this-
because
I
think
it's
very
important
and
council
member
foley
alluded
to
to
our
youth.
I
I
live
with
my
neighbors,
who
are
being
doused
with
led
by
a
very
small
airport
and
and
have
neighbors
from
around
the
different
districts
who
are
refusing
to
close
it
down
because
it
doesn't
impact
them,
but
I'll
tell
you
that
our
kiddos
are
being
doused
by
lead,
and
we
know
what
led
us
to
the
cognitive
and
physical
development
of
children
and
so
council
member
arenas,
council,
member
esparza
and
I
have
have
repeatedly
made
attempts
to
bring
this
to
the
attention
of
the
general
public.
I
It's
very
interesting
when
it
doesn't
affect
you.
It
doesn't
interest
you,
but
this
is
an
environmental
issue
that
impacts
everybody.
I
just
need
to
be
very
clear
about
that.
I
also
live
in
a
district
where
our
children
suffer
from
incredibly
high
incidence
of
asthma
and,
as
a
result,
have
incredibly
high
incidence
of
truancy
absenteeism.
I
Again,
it's
an
environmental
issue.
I
am
living
in
a
district
where
we're
missing
a
canopy
we're
at
25
of
what
willow
glenn
gets
to
experience
and,
as
I
had
expressed
earlier
during
other
council
sessions,
I
started
running
again
during
the
summer.
It
was
very
difficult
to
take
up
running
on
the
east
side
of
san
jose
because
there's
very
little
shade
and
you
start
to
unravel
this
as
you
you
stress,
you
know,
the
boots
hit
the
ground
as
you
you
start
to
run
through
the
streets
of
the
east
side
of
san
jose.
I
I
found
myself
running
more
in
willow
glen
because
it
was
shaded
almost
entirely,
and
so
so.
These
are
environmental
issues
that
have
very
direct
impact
on
my
residents,
I'm
living
it,
I'm
raising
three
children,
so
I
know
what
it
means
to
have
a
very
direct
impact
by
environmental
issues
that
are
not
being
addressed
in
a
very
direct
way.
This
is
a
very.
This
is
a
huge
concern
for
me,
because
I
know
that
at
the
end
of
the
day,
children
of
color
are
always
left
behind.
I
So
I
want
to
thank
all
of
the
the
individuals
that
came
out
to
speak
on
this
issue,
because
it's
important
to
hear
those
who
are
truly
working
to
make
this
not
just
a
better
world
but
to
be
able
to
have
something
that
we
can
speak
of
and
I've
said
this
before
mother
earth
will
survive.
I
I
We
have
to
make
sure
that
san
jose
is
is
viable
and
it's
vital
and
it's
vibrant
and
it's
and
it's
and
it's
competitive,
but
I
also
want
to
make
sure
that
we
do
so
smartly
intelligently
and
we
do
so
in
a
way
that's
going
to
ensure
the
future
of
our
children,
but
especially
children
of
color,
who
have
really
felt
the
sting
of
of
an
environmental
injustice
for
far
too
long.
I
So
with
that
mayor,
thank
you
so
much
for
allowing
me
now
to
say
a
few
words
I
was
hoping
to
have
said
it
beforehand.
I
I
see
where
the
votes
went
anyway,
but
I
want
to
also
thank
carrie
and
her
team
for
having
worked
so
hard
on
on
this
item,
and
what
I
was
saying
is:
this
item
is
very
difficult.
It's
very
complicated.
I
The
the
ramifications
are
dire,
unlike
they're,
not
unlike
other
issues
that
we've
dealt
with
on
any
given
tuesday,
but
but
this
you
know
can
can
have
a
very,
very
significant
impact
on
on
whether
or
not
we
are
able
to
rectify
what
we
know
is
coming
and
we've
been
given
a
very
short
timeline
in
terms
of
straightening
out.
This
this
ship,
and
so
I'm
very
concerned
about
where
we're
going.
I
I
I
thought
I
knew
where
I
was
going
when
I
met
with
bloom
and
once
I
did
a
little
bit
more
research,
the
concerns
really
surfaced
for
me.
So
I
don't
think
that
I'm
going
to
be
able
to
support
this
motion.
I
was
hoping
that
that
council,
member
paralysis
motion
would
have
survived
and
I'm
sorry
that
it
didn't,
but
thank
you
so
much
for
the
opportunity
to
speak.
C
Thank
you,
councilmember
sparzin,.
A
Thank
you
mayor,
so
I
and
I
first
I'd
like
to
thank
councilmember
carrasco
for
for
her
really
powerful
words.
Just
now
I
I
would
love
to
see
you
know
a
shared
passion
around
all
the
children
in
our
valley,
including
the
children
of
the
east
side,
on
some
environmental
issues
there,
and
so
thank
you.
Councilmember
carrasco
and
I
I
had
some
questions
so
for
councilmember
davis.
So
for
the
motion.
A
That's
on
the
floor,
the
so
that
includes
the
the
future
of
work
workshop
with
the
date
of
march
31st
holding
the
letter.
Yes,
so
that
includes
the
date
and
so
the
water,
energy
and
water
efficiency
goals
was
part
of
that
and
that
got
moved
to
a
another
process.
A
So
can
we
then
get
the
results
of
that
staff
recommendation
before
the
march
31st
so
that
it
could
be
included
in
march
in
the
march
31st?
Excuse
me
timeline.
A
To
then
I'll
just
request
it
how's
that
so
I
will
request
that
we
get
that
process
that
that
comes
back
in
time
for
the
march
31st
meeting,
and
would
that
be
okay
with
the
maker
of
the
motion,
I
think
that
was
your
intent.
J
It
was
my
intent
and
the
what
kerry
had
asked
for
was
to
bring
it
back
to
to
rules
with
a
a
work,
basically
a
workload
estimate,
and
so
generally,
when
we
make
those
those
requests
on
the
dais
they
they
come
within
a
month
or
so.
So
I
assumed
that
it
would.
It
would
be
well
before
the
march
31st.
A
Great
thank
you
yeah.
I
appreciate
that
so
that,
if
that,
if
that
does
move
forward
and
get
the
green
light,
which
I'm
hoping
it
will,
that
could
be
included
in
that
meeting
and
lastly,
I
just
wanted
to
ask
another
question,
and
I
don't
know
if
this
is
for
roslyn,
but
for
the
future
of
work
workshop
with
the
key
stakeholders.
I
represent
one
of
the
city's
two
industrial
zones
and
have
heard
some
concerns
from
the
manufacturing
community.
A
B
C
Okay,
great
thank
you.
Councilmember
pros.
D
Yeah,
thank
you.
I'm
just
gonna
take
a
stab
here
and
some
of
the
accounts
my
foley
had
pointed
out.
D
I
certainly
I'm
not
inclined
to
support
this
motion,
but
if
there's
an
opportunity
to
improve
it
and
get
things
to
move
faster,
I
would
be
willing
to,
and
councilmember
foley
mentioned
that
I
think,
because
she
wasn't
aware
that
the
2024
date
in
the
the
november
25th
supplemental
that
she
was
looking
at
2023,
is
a
hard
stop
and,
and
so
that
is
at
least
one
year
sooner
than
the
the
the
current
motion
that
we
have
on
the
table,
and
so
it
was
and
just
to
confirm,
councilmember
foley
that
I
have
interpreted
what
you
stated
correctly.
D
Great,
so
I
I
would
agree
with
that
and
again
I
I
would
prefer
maybe
just
a
seeing
where
the
where
the
you
know
kind
of
cards
are
on
the
table
to
vote
no
on
this
item,
but
I'd
be
willing
to
vote.
Yes.
If,
if
we
can
get
a
friendly
amendment
to
include
what
councilmember
foley
had
asked
for,
which
would
be
a
hard
stop
in
2023
versus
2024.
J
So
the
direction
right
now
councilmember
perales
is
for
staff
to
come
back
and
reevalu
help
us
re-evaluate
whether
or
not
to
make
the
stop
at
that
time,
and
I'm
I'm
not.
I'm
not
inclined
to
change
to
making
that
desi
that
determination
right
now
without
the
information
of
staff.
Coming
back
with
a
new
analysis.
J
The
default
is
december,
31st
2024,
but
the
director
will
come
back
just
by
december
31st
of
2023
with
an
analysis
of
the
availability
of
fuel
substitutes
for
natural
gas
and
whether
or
not
to
transition.
This
section.
D
Yeah,
okay,
so
then
I
understood
it
correctly.
So
what
I'm
asking
for
is
a
one
year
quicker,
so
essentially
the
same
thing
that
counci
member
foley
was
indicating.
So
the
same
thing
would
be
done,
but
we
would
advance
that
work
one
year
sooner
on
on
both
accounts.
G
Yes,
thank
you.
So
in
our
in
our
conversations
with
with
bloom
energy,
it
was
reasonable
to
say
you
know.
If
we
made
a
decision
december
31st
2023,
it
would
be
hard
to
then
make
it
effective
a
week
later,
and
so
we
thought
it
was
reasonable
to
to
allow
a
year
of
transition.
G
So
so
that
made
sense
to
us.
B
C
C
The
fact
that
that's
the
only
other
option,
if,
in
fact,
there's
not
a
clear
path
to
some
alternative-
means
that
there's
a
lot
of
particulate
emissions,
a
lot
of
nitrous
oxide
and
sulfur
oxide,
that's
getting
released.
I
assume
from
those
same
generators,
I'm
not
an
expert,
I
don't
know
all
the
pollutants,
but
I'm
pretty
sure
the
carb
standard
wouldn't
allow
those
kinds
of
backup
generators.
C
If,
if
we
were
to
apply
that
standard
to
those
generators
problem,
is
it's
not
applied?
That's
not
the
standard
and
you've
got
in
fact
data
centers
in
santa
clara
that
are
buying.
You
know
100
megawatts
of
dirty
diesel,
backup
generators.
So
when
the
iso
says,
hey
guess
what
we're
we're
peeking
out,
you
got
to
go,
use
your
generators
and
get
off
the
grid.
All
those
generators
are
charging
up
and
pumping
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
soot
into
the
air
that
we're
breathing.
Those
are
you
know.
C
C
It's
challenging
it's
an
optimization
problem,
it's
not
simply
a
a
one-dimensional
issue
and
and
I'm
confident
that
we're
taking
a
huge
step
here
that
is
going
to
get
us
much
much
closer
to
our
climate
goals
and
the
important
thing
is
that
we
will
be
moving
entirely
forward
rather
than
taking
step
forward
and
step
back
every
time
we
learn
the
unintended
consequences
of
not
thinking
about
all
the
options
and
ensuring
that
we
have
a
clear
bridge
so
anyway,
I
just
want
to
say
thanks
again
to
staff
for
their
incredibly
hard
work.
C
I
know
there's
been
a
lot
of
departments
in
this
effort.
I
think
we
should
be
really
proud,
no
matter
what
passes
today,
of
what
we've
done
as
the
largest
city
in
the
country
to
move
toward
electrification
and
new
construction,
and
I
think
this
is
a
a
great
day
for
us
all
right.
Let's
vote
on
councilman
davis's
motion.
A
C
B
B
E
C
C
Okay,
great,
so
this
is
our
college
readiness,
I
believe
our
library's
team
is
here,
and
I
don't
know
if
there
is
a
presentation
on
this
item.
C
Great,
thank
you
dave
thanks
henry,
so
welcome
to
our
library
team.
I
think
jill
is
out
today,
who
may
be
speaking
for
jill.
B
N
Hi,
how
are
you
all
right?
Let
me
go
ahead
and
I'm
just
going
to
share
my
screen
and
we
can
get
started.
N
N
Sounds
fun
here
all
right,
great,
I'm
a
community
programs,
administrator
or
yeah
administrator
with
the
san
jose
public
library.
I
work
in
college
career
readiness
just
a
little
bit
of
background.
The
college
and
career
readiness
standards
were
born
out
of
council's
approval
of
the
education
and
digital
literacy
strategy
on
may
7th
of
2018.
N
Since
that
time,
the
san
jose
public
library
has
developed
standards
around
early
education,
extended
learning,
digital
literacy
and
these
standards
that
are
here
before
you
today.
The
college
and
career
readiness
standards
as
part
of
this
process,
the
library
convenient
ad
hoc
committee,
that
was
a
cross-section
of
education
and
career
development
leaders
from
the
groups,
listed
a
little
bit
of
context
for
you,
the
one
at
the
the
top
left,
the
san
jose
cal
soap
that
stands
for
california,
student
opportunity
and
access
program
out
of
uc
santa
cruz.
N
N
The
third
quality
standard
is
safe
and
supportive
learning
environments
with
covid.
Obviously,
there
was
a
increased
focus
on
online
learning
in
this
section,
as
we
work
through
these
standards.
Four
was
skill.
Building
and
learning.
This
is
to
ensure
the
programs
stay
current
with
modern
technology
and
modern
needs
and
solicit
feedback
from
participants
both
within
the
workshops,
as
well
as
any
professional
advisors
that
may
work
with
five
curriculum
and
teaching
practice.
N
Six
is
staffing,
including
training
and
professional
development,
seven
program
management
and
leadership
to
ensure
continuous
improvement
and
a
equity,
diversity
and
inclusion.
N
This
included
focus
on
non-native
english
speakers
culturally
relevant
programming,
as
well
as
programming
that
was
responsive
to
the
needs
of
students
who
were
differently
abled,
and
I
think
one
thing
that
was
interesting
as
we
went
through.
This
was
sort
of
the
correlation
between
that
last
group,
as
well
as
ensuring
that
they
had
the
technology
and
the
devices
that
they
needed
to
participate
in
the
programming.
N
N
The
purpose
of
the
standards
is
to
guide
continuous
improvement
in
college
and
career
programming.
So
we
looked
for
clear
expectations.
I
think
I
jumped
a
slide
yep,
sorry
about
that.
The
first
of
the
standards
are
to
guide
continuous
improvement
in
college
and
career
programming.
So
we
look
for
clear,
expert,
clear
expectations,
both
aspirational
and
tangible
goals,
as
well
as
program
assessments
that
will
begin
within
the
year.
So
that's
our
goal
is
to
once
we
get
these
approved.
N
Then
we'll
start
working
on
year,
one
implementation
for
the
year,
one
implementation,
we're
gonna,
conduct
environmental
scan
of
existing
programs
for
baseline
data
and
then
the
begin
planning
for
the
year
two
implementation,
which
would
be
the
development
of
a
quality
standards
tool.
But
the
year
one
would
be.
The
pilot
leading
the
full
implementation
through
san
jose
aspires.
N
That's
a
program
that
affects
that
impacts
around
725
students,
and
then
we
can
use
that
to
create
the
assessment
model.
That
would
we
would
begin
using
for
the
year
2
and
the
additional
evaluations
of
other
programs.
N
So
the
recommendations
accept
the
staff
report
on
the
development
of
college
career
readiness
standards
and
adopt
the
proposed
college
and
career
readiness,
quality
standards
for
all
city
programs,
and
then
I'm
here
as
well
as
michelle
and
vidya
and
other
representatives.
If
you
have
any
questions.
C
Thank
you
adrian,
thank
you
for
the
presentation
and
thank
you
to
you
and
and
michelle
and
jill
and
lauren
hancock
and
lizzie
nolan
and
carla
alvarez
and
all
the
folks
who
have
been
leading
this
work.
I
also
want
to
thank
from
work
to
future
monique
malcor.
C
I
realize
my
camera
is
not
on
sorry,
as
well
as
from
pr
s,
israel,
kanhura
and
all
the
members,
the
ad
hoc
committee
and
the
library
and
education
commissioners
who
served
on
that
committee.
I
know
this
has
been.
C
This
is
the
final
of
four
chapters
and
the
department's
efforts
to
really
flesh
out
our
standards
for
education,
citywide
and
the
transformation,
and
I
think
of
this
department
is
something
more
expansive
and
and
even
more
impactful,
and
I
think
it's
really
been
impressive
to
see
how
it's,
how
that's
been
embraced
by
everybody,
in
in
the
library
team
and
and
across
the
other
teams
as
well.
The
libraries
in
the
league,
but
certainly
from
pr
s
and
work
to
future
and
others,
and
you
know,
I
think,
we're
gonna-
be
able
to
talk.
C
I
think
very
soon
about
the
launch
of
the
aspires.
San
jose
aspires
program
with
some
generous
support
of
a
couple
philanthropists
in
particular
that
are
really
enabling
us
to
provide
greater
access
to
college
for
low-income
students
in
two
of
our
high
schools,
and
we
hope
many
more
soon
and
actually
three
of
our
schools.
I
guess
include
one
classes
and-
and
you
know
I
just
think,
there's
a
lot
of
exciting
opportunities
ahead
now
that
we're
really
oriented
as
an
organization
in
this
direction.
C
So
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you
for
all
the
hard
work.
We're
gonna
go
to
the
public
and
see
if
there
are
any
public
comments.
C
I
do
not
see
anyone
raising.
Oh
I'm
sorry,
my
browser
is
not
very
cooperative,
but
I
don't
believe
I
see
anyone
raising
their
hand.
The
gentleman
with
the
phone
number
ending
five
one,
four
zero.
You
just
took
your
hand
down.
C
B
Yes,
how
do
you
know
it
was
me?
I
mean
that's
amazing,
anyway,
glad
you're,
so
clairvoyant,
sam.
You
know,
I'm
happy
that
people
are
going
to
be
using
the
libraries
to
help
people
with
school
and
be
prepared
to
be
able
to
find
their
way
in
life.
I
use
the
public
libraries
all
the
time.
I
don't
think
the
merger
with
sjsu
was
that
good.
But
besides
the
point,
I
hope
that
the
program
works
for
people
and
the
main
thing
is
that
now
was
co-visiting
everything.
B
Yeah
well
the
cut
well,
but
it
all
it's.
It
goes
along
with
that,
because
if
you
get
rid
of
those
kind
of
ridiculous
programs,
you
can
have
more
money
for
people
who
really
need
it
to
be
prepared
for
college
right.
Like
you
know,
you
don't
need
all
those
other
stupid
things.
This
is
what
you
need
to
do,
so
you
know,
get
rid
of
get
rid
of
the
transvestite
reading
hour
and
put
the
resources
towards.
B
C
My
piercing
connection
has
been
cut
off:
okay,
councilmember
arenas.
H
Thank
you.
I
also
want
to
thank
the
library,
department
and
prns.
I
know
there's
a
lot
of
joint
work
that
happens
here.
I
know
this,
though,
primarily
library,
that's
in
the
lead
on
this.
H
This
was
an
item
that
was
discussed
in
nsc
and
and
it's
one
of
the
most
exciting
things
that
we
have,
I
think
in
our
city,
because
it's
an
investment
for
our
future
generations,
and
so
for
me,
it's
it's
something,
that's
absolutely
monumental
and
because
it
is-
and
I
I
was
sad
adrian-
you
didn't
share
that
wonderful
story.
It
was
a
really
feel-good
story.
H
H
You
know
kind
of
at
the
end
of
a
rope
with
her
kiddo,
who
was,
I
think,
in
high
school
and
and
came
into
be
involved
in
one
of
our
programs,
and
she
said
you
know,
I
don't
know
how
all
the
stars
were
aligned,
but
the
stars
were
all
aligned
and-
and
she
noticed
a
huge
difference
in
her
kiddo
and
in
her
in
the
way
that
this
kiddo
was
was
now
participating
in
school.
H
The
way
he
was
functioning
in
home,
it
was
just
it
just
made
a
huge
difference
and
that's,
I
think,
ultimately,
what
we
look
for.
We
look
for
this
huge
difference
that
we're
to
make
in
the
lives
of
our
next
generation,
and
so
I
wanted
to
to
share
that
that
experience,
because
I
know
that
I
during
nsc
also
expressed
the
love
for
these
programs,
but
also
the
the
need
for
us
to
have
really
key
programmatic
alignment,
with
with
our
with
the
different
programs
that
are
under
the
college
and
readiness.
H
We've
done
it
for
the
middle
middle
school
kiddos,
and
now
we're
doing
this
for
college
and
career
readiness
and
and
for
me,
what's
really
important,
is
to
look
at
the
relationship
among
the
resources,
the
activities
that
we
do,
the
resources
that
we
have
and
what
we
ultimately
want
in
terms
of
changes
and
results,
and
I
don't
know
that
that
we
have
that
aligned,
but
I
I
I
did
get
an
update
from
ann
grabowski,
with,
of
course,
chief
of
staff
for
jill,
which
made
me
really
happy
in
that.
H
I
believe
that
there's
already
a
process
involved
to
start
discussing,
that
is
that
right,
michelle,
I
see
you
nodding
your
head.
Yes,
that's
right,
councilmember,
wonderful
and-
and
this
is
really
not
not
to
take
away
from-
and
you
know
I
made
this
really
clear
the
last
time
I-
and
this
is
not
to
take
away
from
all
the
successes
that
you've
had,
because
this
is,
I
know
for
all
of
us.
H
We
look
forward
to
being
invited
to
the
graduations
and
the
end
results
of
all
of
the
hard
work
that
you've
done
throughout
the
whole
year.
We
get
to
see
the
end
results,
and
that
is
the
success
of
our
children.
The
success
of
our
youth
and-
and
I
know
for
me
what
is
important-
is
to
take
a
look
at
what
is
happening
in
our
county
and
take
a
look
at
at
some
of
the
data.
H
That's
coming
from,
like
kids
in
common,
produces
kind
of
a
data
snapshot
for
the
children's
bill
of
rights,
and
they
tell
us
how
are
we
kind
of
faring
with
with
our
children
and
how
are
we
faring
under
the
bill
of
rights?
And
so
for
me,
it
was
important
for
us
to
to
aim
somewhere,
because
I
don't
want
parents
to
to
feel
like
they
just
had
all
the
stars
aligned-
and
this
was
just
that
you
know
their
huge
luck.
H
I
want
us
to
be
very
strategic
about
how
we
carry
out
our
programs
and,
and
one
of
the
things
that
that
I
just
wanted
to
share
with
with
my
colleagues-
is
that
in
in
the
bill
of
rights
that
states
that
children
will
have
access
to
21st
century
education
and
promote
success
in
life
in
future
careers
and
lifelong
learning.
That
we
all
hope
to
do
in
the
area
of
children
who
are
ready
for
school.
H
This
is
just
one
element
from
one
of
the
bill
of
rights
for
our
youth,
and
so
for
me
it
was
just
important
to
reiterate
not
only
to
you,
you
know
you
get
it,
but
to
our
colleagues
who
are
not
part
of
the
nsc
committee
that
we
need
to
make
sure
now
that
we're
coming
into.
We
know
that
we're
not
gonna
have
the
same
resources
and
we're
not
gonna
have
the
same
funding.
You
know
knock
on
wood.
Hopefully
everything
will
we.
H
H
Every
program
has
some
wonderful
results,
but
I
I-
and
I
want
to
remind
you
something
that
I
shared
with
all
of
you
in
nsc
from
the
racing
to
justice
book-
is
that
fairness
is
not
advanced
by
those
who
who
are
situated
differently
as
if
they
as
if
they
were
the
same,
a
policy
that
is
neutral
in
design
isn't
necessarily
neutral
in
effect
right.
So
we
need
to
make
sure
we're
not
neutral
in
our
design.
H
We
need
to
be
strategic
so
that
we
can
also
be
just
as
emphatic
in
in
our
results,
and
so
with
that
I
just
I
don't
know
that
I
want
to
include
anything
really
in
our
in
an
emotion
but
I'd
like
to
move
to
approve
this
and
with
the
understanding
that
you
will
come
back
to
nsc,
to
deliver
some
of
those
outcomes
that
you're
going
to
work
on,
and
alignment
of
the
program
goals
and
how
this
you
know,
this
broader
framework
of
strategic
alignment
of
our
programs
will
look
like
it's
something
I'm
really
looking
forward
to
so.
H
Actually,
you
know
I'll
add
that
to
the
motion
I'll
move,
to
approve
and
include
that
in
the
motion.
A
C
Okay,
council,
member
esparza.
A
Thank
you
mayor
in
the
interest
of
the
given
the
hour.
I'll,
be
really
brief.
I
I
wanted
to
add
my
voice
to
councilman
brad
and
us
his
comments.
We've
had
a
very
robust
conversation
in
nse
and
I
just
wanted
to
echo
her
comments
and
say
that
I
look
forward
to
seeing
the
logic
model
and
seeing
the
alignment
so
that
we
can
see
some
movement
in
kids,
particularly
latino
kids.
Thank
you.
B
C
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Item
8.1
relates
to
grant
agreements
an
extension
on
grants
for
multiple
homeless
programs.
I
don't
believe
we
have
a
presentation
here.
Do
we.
C
Okay,
thanks
reagan,
we'll
go
to
the
public
person
with
the
phone
number
earning
5140.
B
Yeah
something's
a
little
funky
down
there
with
the
when
I
call
in
seems
a
little
bit
odd.
It
always
happens
to
me.
I
also
don't
get
my
two
minutes,
but
hey
I'm
not
here
to
complain.
No,
there
needs
to
be
no
more
homeless
programs.
We
have
enough
already
and
we
have
the
more
homeless
shelters.
You
build
the
more
grants
you
give
the
more
money
you
get,
the
more
you
get
and
we're
getting
more
and
more
and
more
daily.
We
don't
need
more
homeless
centers.
We
need,
we
need
to.
B
You,
know:
hewlett
packard,
just
left
this
town,
you
know,
what's
gonna
happen
when,
when
all
these
companies
start
leaving
because
you're
gonna
you're
not
gonna,
have
any
money
for
for
anything
and
what
about
the
roads
the
roads
aren't
fixed,
but
oh,
we
got
to
have
a
million
dollars
here,
a
million
dollars
there
for
homeless.
Meanwhile,
I
drive
on
roads
that
are
worse
than
the
third
world
country.
B
In
my
in
my
neighborhood
and
you
you,
sam
personally,
told
me,
you
were
gonna,
pay
them
right
that
you
guys
had
this
plan
whatever
happened
to
that
plan,
but
no,
we
need
grants
for
the
homeless.
We
need
grants
for
our
roads.
We
need
grants
for
these
micro
grids
that
have
the
terrible
you
this
terrible
utility
grid
we're
on.
When
you
people
want
to
go
all
all
electric,
you
guys
are
crazy
and
you
know
it.
B
It's
not
going
to
work
and
then
you're
worried
about
backup
power
on
diesel,
but
but
by
all
means
have
a
grant
for
the
homeless
people.
We
don't
need
to
give
them
any
more
money.
We
need
to
give
them
jobs
and
mental
health
counseling
and
everything
else,
but
more
grants
for
more
shelters.
Forget
it.
These
guys
are
bums
they're,
just
using
they're
using
the
taxpayer,
so
they
can
live
for
free
in
the
most
expensive
part
of
the
country.
It's
not!
How
is
that
fair
to?
How
is
that
fair
to
the
residents
here?
B
C
All
right,
thank
you.
We'll
return
to
the
council
council,
foreign.
A
Thank
you
mayor,
so
I
wanted
to
just
thank
staff
for
putting
this
together
and
and
thank
the
mayor
for
his
leadership
for
the
all
the
way
home
campaign
that
this
will
be
actually
going
to
the
county's
veteran
rapid,
rehousing
program
where
we
have
seen
in
our
county
a
lot
of
gains
made
there
and
a
lot
to
be
proud
of-
and
I
also
wanted
to
just
point
out
that
case
management
is
a
huge
need.
A
You
know
we
talk
about
shelter,
but
that's
how
people
rebuild
their
lives
is
through
that
support,
and
so
it's
really
exciting
to
see
this.
So
my
understanding
is
that
we
need
to
separate
the
health
trust.
Is
that
correct,
or
on
this.
A
D
For
me,
yeah,
I
do
need
to
recuse
myself
from
the
health
trust
vote,
because
my
wife
is
an
employee
there.
Thank
you,
councilmember,
okay,
so.
A
I'll
make
a
motion
to
move
forward
on
all
of
the
grants,
except
the
health
trust
and
to
separate
that
second.
C
Thank
you
cast
member
and
thank
you
councilman
esparza,
for
your
work
for
several
years
in
launching
and
operating
the
all
the
way
home
initiative.
Customer
pros.
N
A
E
B
C
Thank
you.
Next
up
is
the
consent
counter
for
land
use
items,
don't.
C
A
It
was
to
separate
I'll
make
a
motion
to
to
approve
the
health
trust
grant.
C
And
there
was
a
second,
I
think
from
councilmember
mourinho's
councillor
process
recused
on
this.
Let's
vote
news.
Yes,.
B
A
C
All
right
on
to
the
land
use
consent,
calendar.
C
C
A
The
project
also
includes
a
common
area
parcel
that
contains
the
front
landscaping,
the
private
street
trash
area
and
six
guest
parking
spaces.
The
project
meets
the
provisions
for
sql
guidelines
for
new
construction
of
up
to
six
units
in
an
urban
area,
so
it
qualifies
for
a
categorical
exemption.
It
would
not
result
in
any
significant
environmental
impact.
A
The
planning
commission
heard
the
project
that
is
november
18th
meeting
and
voted
unanimously
to
recommend
that
the
city
council
consider
the
sql
exemption,
approve
the
plan.
Development
rezoning,
adopt
a
resolution
approving
the
tentative
map
and
detect
a
resolution
approving
the
planned
development
permit,
and
that
concludes.
C
E
Sure
I'll
go
ahead
and
move
the
motion,
but
I
just
have
one
question
for
for
rosalind.
If,
if
I
recall
correctly,
that's
this
is
near
a
light
rail,
isn't
it.
E
And
sorry,
I
just
realized
my
camera's
off.
It
was
in
your
light.
Rail.
Don't
don't
we
have
I'm
happy
if
the
planet
commission's
happy.
Everyone
seems
on
board.
There's
there's
nothing
here
to
debate,
but
I'm
just
curious.
Is
it
like?
Isn't
there
a
density
requirement
and
like
units
per
acre
and
whatnot.
A
Not
a
density
requirement
based
on
its
location,
proximity
to
the
light
rail,
but
the
project
was
evaluated
of
course
complies
with
our
general
plan.
Land
use
designation,
it's
a
pd
zoning,
so
it's
a
customized
zoning
district
and
really
this
qualifies.
It's
really
an
infill
urban
development
project.
E
K
B
E
C
All
right
we're
on
to
public
forum,
any
members
of
the
public
like
to
speak
on
open
forum.
I'm
not
seeing.
I
see
one
hand
gentleman
with
the
phone
number
5140.
B
Yeah,
I
just
you
know,
I
got
a
lot
of
complaints
about
this
city
and
I'm
wondering
why
I'm
the
only
one
sometimes
do
people
not
have
the
courage
to
call
in
and
call
people
on
the
carpet
for
what
they've
done,
what
they
failed
to
do
in
this
city,
with
the
poor
roads,
bad
bad
electrical
grid,
graffiti
everywhere,
rusting
brown
light
poles
that
look
like
they're
going
to
fall
over
a
police
department.
That's
rice
with
corruption,
they've
got
felons
that
have
been
caught
working
for
them.
B
You
know,
ranging
from
gun,
running
drug
trafficking,
pedophilia
drug
cover-ups,
rape
did,
I
say,
gun
running,
you
know.
Oh,
I
forgot
money
laundering,
money
lawn,
they
got
a
guy,
who's
got
a
pension
and
everything
worth
millions
of
dollars.
Laundering
money.
Who
are
you
people
hiring
your
city,
it's
disgusting!
It
really
is.
B
You
got
transvestites
reading
books
to
kids
in
the
in
the
library,
thank
god
the
libraries
are
closed
and
then
you
know,
and
then
you've
got
politicians
that
are
telling
you
not
to
have
thanksgiving,
but
they
go
and
have
it
themselves,
and
I
think
we
know
who
we're
talking
about
here
and
that
was
that
was
rude.
Man
like
everyone
else,
is
trying
to
follow
the
rules
and
just
the
elitist
attitude
of
the
police
department,
the
fire
department,
the
city
council,
the
mayor,
it's
unbelievable,
the
and
I'm
watching
the
news
here.
B
It's
it's
never
ending
folly
for
the
city
of
san
jose,
and
you
know
you
know,
I
see
the
people
in
the
city
council.
I
see
the
looks
on
their
faces.
I
hear
what
they
say.
B
C
All
right
there
seemed
to
be
no
other
members.
The
public
would
like
to
speak,
so
the
meeting
is
adjourned.
Everybody
stay
healthy.
Thank.