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City of San José, California
City Council Evening Session of May 18, 2021
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B
B
B
B
Perimeter
fencing.
some
safety
equipment,
such
as
fire,
extinguishers,,
cooking
equipment
to
safely
prepare
food
and
maintenance
checks
of
the
site,
and
the
third
level
would
provide
all
the
previous
services
mentioned,
with
the
addition
of
onsite
security
and
an
onsite
social
service
provider..
In
putting
these
thoughts
on
service
and
putting
together
these
thoughts
on
service
levels,
we
did
take
into
consideration
some
of
the
feedback
and
lessons
learned
from
the
organizers
of
hope,
village..
Some
of
you
might.
B
B
B
B
B
Sanction
encampment
program
would
entail
developing
a
siting
policy
and
potentially
a
new
city
ordinance
outlining
where
encampments
would
be
allowed
or
other
programmatic
guidelines
that
would
address
health
and
safety
needs..
We
would
also
need
to
identify
sites,
conduct
community
outreach
and
go
through
a
procurement
process
to
find
a
service
provider.,
so
again,.
B
B
D
D
D
D
D
D
D
D
D
Esg
funding
that
we
got
through
the
carers
act
that
we're
currently
using
for
the
soar
program.,
but
that
funding
ends
in
two
years..
We
also
are
using
some
carers
funding
to
to
fund
the
operations
of
our
new
emergency
interim
housing
sites
that
we
built,
and
we
have
a
couple
year
runway
on
those
sites
that
we
have
funding
identified..
But
after
about
two
years,
we
don't
have
funding
identified
for
these
programs
that
we've
already
established
that
are
providing
this
critical
service
to
our.
D
Sanctioned
entitlement
sanctioned
encampment
type
of
program.,
that's
certainly
my
reading.
As
well.
I
mean
to
see
black
money,
the
cheap
money,
that's
all
cash
tax
structures
that
we're
building
to
get
people
housed..
So
if
there's
any
services,
it
has
to
be
attached
to
a
motel,
we're
converting
or
a
structural
rebuilding.
to.,
that's
right..
I
also
want
to
highlight
that
while
I
applaud
the.
D
D
Funding
stationary
cameras
is
already
disfavored
at
federal
level..
We
saw
with
the
interagency
council
on
homeless,
as
you
indicated,
it
says
that
it's
not
a
good
approach,
a
favor.,
so
I
just
want
to
put
this
in
context..
I
think
there
is
more
money
now.
If
I
could
be
wrong
on
this.,
you
tell
me
we
have
more
opportunity
to
get
more
resources
to
get
people
housed
now
than
any
time
in
my
lifetime.
Maybe
any
time
will
ever
have
in
our
lifetime..
Is
that
fair
to
say?
very
fair
to.
D
A
Is
one
time
funding
that
is
code,
related,,
right?
and
then
state
money
that
federal
money
is
greater
than
it's
ever
been.
and
I
just
might..
My
concern
is
that
we
could
have
the
housing
department
mobilized,
getting
those
dollars
to
our
city.
So
we
could
get
homeless,
people
housed
in
actual
structures
and
dignified
housing
and
take
advantage
of.
A
The
money
that's
there.
or
it
could
spin
our
wheels
on
an
approach
for
which
there's
no
funding
and
will
distract
us
completely
from
the
ability
to
get
hundreds
of
millions
of
dollars,
if
not
billions,
of
dollars
to
this
region.
To
address
homelessness
because
will
instead
be
dealing
with
music.
That's
too
loud
and
neighbors,
don't
like
it.
A
and
because
of
complaints
about
blight
or
whatever
may
happen,
because
we've
sanctioned
an
encampment,
and
now
it's
all
on
us
as
the
city
to
make
sure
that
sanctioning
cabinet
meets
to
all
the
standards
of
whatever
the
surrounding
neighborhood
might
expect..
So
that
is
my
great
concern..
We've
got
this
extraordinary
opportunity
to
help
a
lot
of
people
get
off
the
street.
If
we
play
this
smart.
and
we
go
get
a
lot
of
federal
and
state
resources
to
make
a
lot
of
things
happen..
A
If
we're
spinning
our
wheels
chasing
foul,,
we
lose
those
opportunities.,
and
I
saw
that
very
directly.
Just
in
the
last
cycle.
you
know,,
we
had
a
transition,
housing
authority..
I
know
that
was
very
important
for
us,
as
we
were
trying
to
chase
dollars
to
go,
convert
motels
to
get
people
housed..
We
saw
cities
like
the
long
beach,
half
our
size,
getting
four
or
five
motel
conversions..
A
A
Neighbors,
who
said
you
can't
build
that
housing
project
in
my
neighborhood
for
un
house
and
I'm
willing
to
take
those
bullets
any
time
to
get
housing
project
built..
But
we're
going
to
have
to
do
that
again
and
again
not
for
a
housing
development
in
which
people
are
going
to
live,
but
for
an
encampment
in
which
there's
going
to
be
tents,
and
you
can
imagine
how
much
more
intense
the
neighborhood
opposition
is
going
to
be
and
how
much
more
we're
going
to
be
spinning
our
wheels
doing
things
that
have
nothing
to
do
with
getting
people
housed..
D
Why
the
housing
department
had
serious
concerns
about
this
approach
back
in
2016,
when
we
spent
a
lot
of
time
on
it.
we
put
out
to
our
is
trying
to
get
any
any
nonprofit
to
help
us
manage
when
we
couldn't.,
as
I
recall,,
we
couldn't
get
any
sites
either
from.
The
council.-
is
that
right?
reagan
right.
D
D
D
F
D
D
A
C
Aspect
of
sanctioned
cameras
is
the
stability
created.
By
knows
no
sweeps..
I
put
up
the
affordable
housing
banner
behind
me,
but
it
could
have
easily
put
the
mental
health
banner
because
both
are
intersectional
issues
as
it
relates
to
homelessness
and
the
sweeps..
It
would
be
great
for
us
to
build
our
way
out
of
the.
C
Need
for
encampments
or
temporary
housing
and
having
money
to
poor
at
that
to
buy
hotels
is
a
wonderful
tool
and
an
absolute
strategy
that
we
should
be
pursuing.,
but
building
affordable
housing
takes
time
to
three
years..
We
don't
have
that
kind
of
time.
In
order
to
address
this
issue.,
we
have
to
address
it
right,
now..
C
stability
is
key
for
many
of
these
people,,
especially
when
it
comes
to
getting
their
lives
back
on
track..
Let's
help
them
have
stability
in
the
interim..
Let's
do
something
bold
here..
I
wrote
this
memo
in
conversation
with
david
cohen,
sorry,
council,
member
cohen,
because
the
status
quo
is
untenable
for
those
that
are
housed
and
those
that
are
housed,
like
everyone
wants
an
interim
solution
to
this
complicated
challenge..
Our
residents
want
the
city
of
san
jose
to
identify
an
ideal
location
for
homeless,
individuals,,
connect
them
with
resources
and
ensure
that
everyone's
quality
of
life
is
increased..
C
C
That's
the
provision
in
the
mayor's
memo
that
calls
for
two
to
three
notice,
a
two
to
three
months
notice
if
we
are
doing
an
abatement
and
if
one
of
the
big
concerns
is
that
we're
removing
the
possessions..
So
if
we
can
create
storage
or
find
ways
to
create
storage,,
that
would
be
a
wonderful
opportunity.
and
I
know
reagan
and
all
of
you've
been
around
a
lot
longer
than
I
you've
investigated.
Storage..
But-
and
I
know
that
councilmember
or
heineman
is,
I
think,
for
priority
setting
session
several
years
ago
called
for
storage
facilities..
So,
let's.
C
C
C
C
C
C
C
C
C
C
Clear
parameters
of
where
encampments
are
not
allowed
to
be
whether
that's
schools,
which
again
council
has
already
provided
but
other
sensitive
uses
like
or
creeks?.
So
I
think
I
really
want
to
distinguish
what
council
already
prioritize,
which
was
encampment
management
policies.
That
staff
is
bringing.
C
C
C
C
C
C
F
F
Forward
to
do
something.,
and
with
that
my
my
time's
up.,
so
I'm
going
to
step
off
and
let
someone
else
have
the
at
the
floor.
thank
you.
council
member
foley.
This
is
jackie,
morales,,
the
director
of
the
housing
department
and
reading
your
memo..
I
just
wanted
to
clarification
from
the
staff
perspective
and
it
did..
It
doesn't
speak
to
resources
or
providing
us
with
additional
resources.
And
so
is
it
your
expectation.
Then
we
would
drop
something
else
on
the
homeless
side
and
prioritize
this
as
a
result
of
this
action?,
I
just
wanted
clarification..
I
don't.
F
C
A
A
A
C
A
That
there
is
a
big
concern
about
the
return
sanction.
you
know,,
I'm
not
interested
in
semantics
or
terminology.-
I'm
interested
in
trying
to
figure
out
how
to
take
care
of
people
who
are
in
need
and
how
to
keep
our
neighborhoods
safe..
I
had
heard
the
term
somebody
suggested
the
term.
A
month
ago,
humanitarian
zones.
she'd
started
using
that
term
and
we've
got
a
lot
of
problems
tonight.,
so
I'm
going
to
be
referring
to
humanitarian
zones
as
I,
as
I
have
discussed,
this.
B
G
E-Mails
every
day
from
people-
and
we
want
solutions.,
these
humanitarians-
aren't
gonna
solve
the
problem
all
by
themselves.,
but
the
consensus
I'm
hearing
from
homeless
advocates
and
nonprofits
is
that
sanctions
or
humanitarian
zones
would
be
extremely
helpful
in
decreasing
homelessness
and
getting
people
housed
without
these
kinds
of
zones..
Where
will
un
house
residents
go
when
they
where
they
can
have
some
stability
and
services
as
we
continue
to
move
them
into
housing??
And
I
did
hear
this
comment
about
our
source
sites
have
some
other
wraparound
services..
G
It's
not
clear
to
me
that
we'd
be
suggesting
that
these
other
sites
with
enhanced
services
wouldn't
continue
to
have
those
same
wraparound
services
that
to
sites
have..
So
these
humanitarian
zones
provide
a
house
with
a
place
where
they
know
they
can
be
safe
from
abatement
or
ensuring
they
are
away
from
residential
areas
and
waterways.
you
can,
you
can
find
locations
basements,
make
it
harder
for
people
to
be
connected
to
transitional
or
permanent
housing.
Every
time
we
abate
where
it
isn't
absolutely
necessary.
for
example,
when
encampments
public
right
of
way
or
pose
an
environmental
hazard,.
G
G
Was
there
was
a
fire
at
berryessa
road
and
680
started
4:00
in
the
afternoon,
northbound
680
two
engines
were
dispatched.
and
there
were
two
locations
in
two
separate
events.
After
that
two
additional
engines
were
requested
about
15
minutes
later..
So
there
were
four
engines
on
scene
and
then
separately
just
around
the
corner
from
that
on
the
northbound
cloverleaf
of
680,,
two
more
engines
were
called
to
assist
another
fire
that
was
happening
there..
G
G
They
were
fighting
this
fire.
There
was
a
condo
complex
right
behind
the
encampment
that
called
about
concerns
that
their
rush
on
their
property
was
beginning
to
burn.,
so
crews
had
to
come
in
and
on
that
side
and
confirm
whether
there
was
fire
or
just
smoke
and
deal
with
that..
There
were
six
engines
on
site
as
a
result
of
this
fire..
Another
brush
fire
in
the
creek
area,
close
to
the
freeway,
was
reported
as
well.
E
G
G
If
we
had
humanitarian
zones,
we
could
point
people
to
a
specific
site
where
they
can
stay
without
fear
abatement,,
where
they
can
have
access
to
portable
toilets,
water,
cooking,
supplies,,
showers,,
et
cetera,
instead
of
being
forced
back
onto
the
streets
and
they'll
be
right
back
in
the
same
neighborhoods,
where
they've
been
causing
trouble
for
some
of
our
our
neighbors..
So
I'm.
G
Also
wondering
about
this
comparison,,
for
example,
to
the
san
francisco
site.,
I'm
not
sure
it's
an
appropriate
comparison..
The
mayor's
memo
points
out
that
their
program
costs
sixty
one
thousand
dollars
per
person.
It
ignores
that
simpsons
ghost
program
is
designed
with
the
assumption
to
be
reimbursed
by
fema.
and
we're
not
going
into
it
with
this
misconception..
Their
program
is
far
more
robust,
robust
than
even
our
level
free
services
that
are
detailed
in
the
staff's
memo,
where
encampments
offer
three
meals
a
day
around
the
clock:
security,
electricity,
all
of
that
was
funded
by
san
francisco..
G
G
Program
is
established
in
response
to
the
public
health
emergency
and
was
intended
to
continue
only
for
the
duration
of
the
emergency.,
but
homeless
was
an
issue
long
before
the
pandemic
will
remain
one
long
after
the
emergency
ends
in
2019,
so
was
initiated..
Fifty
seven
percent
of
the
city
spending
on
encampments,
nearly
five
million
dollars,
is
spent
on
abatements..
Less
than
10
percent
was
spent
on
outreach
actually
trying
to
connect.
H
H
H
H
we
provide
things
listed
level
to
services
like
fire
extinguishers
and
safe
cooking
implements..
We
can
cut
down
on
the
risk
of
fires,
camels,
protect
public
safety
and
save
the
city,
money
and
fire
response..
So
there's
a
lot
more
complicated
than
suggesting
that
we
spend
this
money
and
it's
opportunity
cost
taken
away
from
something
else..
G
G
G
G
And
I
know
that,
obviously
we
have
to
continue
to
spend
resources
on
trying
to
get
people
housed
or
housing
people
hundreds
at
a
time,
and
there
are
thousands
of
people
who
are
homeless..
We
need
to
be
doing
both..
We
need
to
have
an
interim
solution
with
some
stability
for
people
who
are
living
on
the
streets.,
that's
funding..
I
know
I
know
the
memo
talks
about
level
2
funding..
It.
A
Says
that
about
five
hundred
thousand
dollars
per
year
to
offer
the
level
to
support..
I
believe
we
can
find
that
money
in
our
city,
budget.
and
obviously
I
think
we're
spending
far
more
than
that
on
abatements.
That
will
hopefully
become
less
necessary
as
we
provide
additional
services.
bergdahl.
And
I
and
there's
been
talk
about
staff
time,
and
I
think
that
that
five
hundred
thousand
dollars
proposal
included
hiring
one
and
a
half
additional
people
to
support
this
program,
which
I
think
we
can
find
the
money
to
do..
G
G
Afraid
we're
going
to
continue
having
this
conversation
year
after
year
as
council,
because
we're
not
providing
an
interim
solution.
That's
going
to
give
people
some
stability
and
provide
services
and
help
the
residents
in
our
neighborhoods
who
are
clamoring
and
begging
us
to
do
something
to
provide
a
safer,,
more
secure
option
for
them..
So
that's
why
I
support.
G
G
Have
expanded
the
amount
of
emergency
housing
over
the
past
year
more
than
in
any
time
in
the
13
years
that
I've
been
here.,
so
we
expanded
the
capacity
of
emergency,
not
permanent
housing,
emergency
housing
by
adding
close
to
thousand
beds..
So
I
just
want
to
temper
your
expectation
that
by
adding
a
hundred
beds,
is
you.
A
Want
to
temper
expectations
that
one
encampment
sanctioned
encampment
is
not
going
to
move
the
needle.
If
a
thousand
new
beds,
housing
six
thousand
people
over
the
last
year
doesn't
have
any
impression.,
then
again,
just
trying
to
temper.
I
appreciate
that
and
I
I
know
I
get
carried
away
with
my
expectation,
but
I
do
I
do.
G
Think
that
there
are
there's
room
for
some
additional
opportunities,
especially
since
we
know
that
for
a
number
who
is
always
sovereign's,,
they're
still
going
to
be
thousands
of
people
on
the
street
that
need
some
level
of
stability..
Thank
you
for
that.
thank
you,
sir,
for
a
compliment.,
just
some
clarifications
and
some
fact
checking
that
the
san
francisco
program
is
not
being
reimbursed
by
fema..
Currently,
fema
is
only
reimbursing
for
hotel
stays
as
a
shelter
in
place,
and
they
are
only
reimbursing
for
the
costs.
G
We
can
move
money
from.
I
understand
the
city
funds
with
city
budget,
but
in
general
on
budget
versus
money
they
can
move
into
the
housing
department.
Other
places.
yeah,,
I
think,
just
for
me.
council
number.
The
important
distinction
is
are
of
the
housing
department's
funding
that
we
receive
all
of
our
federal
entitlement.
Funding
has
very
specific
and
stringent
spending
requirements
that.
G
G
G
J
J
J
J
Safety..
Unfortunately,
we
have
a
lot
of
concerns
around
just
behaviors,
adding
commandments,
often
times
that
are
outside
of
the
scope
of
beautify
day..
So
those
are
things
that
we
oftentimes
have
to
put
neighbors
in.
sj
pd,
to
address
their
issues.
Unfortunately,
as
you
guys
know,
around
trash
dumping
and
just
diep
presence
of
encampments
in
neighborhoods..
As
you
know,
we
started
doing
some
of
this
work
preliminary
before
the
before
the
pandemic
hit..
But
we're
really
finding
is
that
the
tolerance
really
hard
to
build
with
neighborhoods
is
truly
just
wait.
and
it's
been
boats,
you
know,.
J
J
J
J
I
Involved
because
it's
not
just
county
property,,
it's
it's
also
a
housing
authority
and
we've
been
doing
some
follow
up
and
there
are
challenges,
but
we're
there's
no
there.
That
is
not
an
option
that
is
off
the
table.,
so
it's
still
certainly
not
without
its
its
challenges.
Just
like
any
of
the
sites,
maybe.
I
I
To
hear
I'm
going
to
read
a
little
section
from
the
memo
on
this.,
the
housing
department
has
no
capacity
to
complete
the
work
of
conducting
community
engagement,
entering
into
agreements
for
site
services,,
developing
a
process
for
which
individuals
are
selected
to
camp
at
the
new
site
or
how
to
keep
the
site
from
growing
to
an
unmanageable
and
unsafe
size,
and
it
goes
on
to
talk
about
legal
considerations..
So
the
question
that
was
asked
earlier
about
what
would
we
dropped?
We
drop
right?
really
should
we
drop
sheltering
folks??
Should.
I
Because
I
feel
like
we're
not
having
a
lot
of
real
conversations
about
this.
To
my
knowledge,
only
two
of
my
colleagues
have
actually
ever
offered
a
location
in
their
districts
for
sanction,
encampment
and
that's
council,
member
deb,
davis
and
council
member
rob
peralez.
so
for
the
folks
making
a
proposal,
offer
a
site
in
your
district,
because
I'll
tell
you
another.
I
One
of
my
frustrations
are
only
two
council
districts
that
have
any
permanent
supportive
housing
in
the
city
of
san
jose..
That's
district
3
and
district
7..
There
are
only
three
council
districts
that
have
tiny
homes
in
the
city
and
that's
council,
districts,
2,
3
and
7..
So
do
you
sense
a
pattern
here?
and
and
so
for
folks,
that
want
to
offer
solutions,
offer
a
site
in
your
district
and
go
out
and
propose.
I
It
because
this
is
not
hypothetical
here.,
we
need
real
solutions
and
we
have
a
proposal
in
the
mayor's
budget
message
that
lists
sites
for
transitional
housing..
We
all
voted
for
it
and
we
have
an
unprecedented
amount
of
money
to
purchase
motels,
convert
them
to
housing
in
our
city..
We
have
an
unprecedented
opportunity
here,
with
the
money
that's
being
given
to
us
from
the
federal
government
and
from
the
state
government.
Even
though
we
don't
know-
and
in
fact
some
of
the
heap
have
money
is
being
used
to
pay
for
the
outreach
that
we're
conducting.
I
I
I
Everyone,
his
commented.,
it's
important
and
it's
important
conversation
for
us
to
have..
I
I
I
very
much
appreciate
the
sense
of
urgency
that
council
members,
foley
and
cohen
expressed
earlier
and
I
certainly
feel
it..
I
know
we
all
do
and
all
of
our
residents
do
and
I'm
very
sympathetic
to
the
comments
that
they
made.
I.
I
I
There
are
circumstances
under
which
I
would
support
a
pilot
sanctioning
camp
where
we've
identified
the
land,
identified
the
funding
and,
in
my
opinion,
the
right
way
to
proceed
with
a
with
a
proper
pilot
of
the
idea
would
be
to
do
it
in
partnership
with
the
county
that
can
supplement
the
service's.
We
focus
on
with.
I
I
Go
further
than
outline.,
I
do
think
there's.
I
think
the
good
news
here
and
listening
to
everyone
is
that
I
actually
think
I
think
we
have
about
90
percent
alignment
on
the
next
steps..
We
want
to
take
what
I
do
think
we
have
a
semantics
problem
to
maybe
the
point
council,
member
cohen
head..
I
think
we
have
a
semantics
problem
and
the
meaning
of
the
word,
which
is
the
meaning
of
words..
I
think
it
matters
quite
a
lot,
which
is
to
say
there
are.
I
Detail
the
additional
legal
risk
or
any
analysis
of
that,
and
therefore,
in
order
to
mitigate
those
risks
cost,
and
you
saw
that
sort
of
implied
level
3
where
we've
got
level
2
we've
got
fencing
level.
3
we've
got
security.,
so
costs
start
going
up
to
mitigate
risk
to
make
sure
we
do
this
in
a
safe
way.
I
Can't
support
this
approach
without
understanding
what
are
the
risks??
How
would
mitigate
them,?
What
are
the
costs
and
therefore,
therefore,
what
are
we
not
doing?,
and
so
I
think
the
good
news
again
is
that
I
think
we
can
get
the
things
we
most
want,
without
necessarily
taking
on
more
risk
and
some
costs
that
may
be
unnecessary..
So
what
what
do
I
think
we
want?
I
I
I
Certainly
there
are
going
to
be
public
safety
risks
right
of
way,
infringement
that
has
to
be
addressed,
and
we
do
need
that
tool,
but
we
want
to
do
it
in
the
most
thoughtful
and
humane
way
possible..
I
think
we
all
agree
that
I
think
we
also
all
agree,
and
I
think
the
mayor's
budget
mentioned
a
memo
articulated
this..
I
think
the
votes
we
took
a
priority
setting
supported
this..
We
want
improved
conditions
today,
right
now
for
our
unhappy
neighbors..
I
We
want
to
materially
improve
the
daily
conditions
that
they're
living
in
by
significantly
increasing
our
investment
in
port,
a
potties
and
handwashing,
and
regular
trash
removal,
social
services,
outreach
and
services
that
we
can
actually
provide
cost
effectively
to
a
lot
of
people,
and
I
think
we
can
do
that..
I
think
the
plan
that
we're
the
path
we're
headed
down
is
doing
that
at
greater
scale
for
more
people
without
needing
to.
I
Officially
sanction.:
here's
where
you
can
camp..
In
fact
I'll
just
say
the
proposal
that
I
put
forward
during
priority
setting
was
anticipating
this
very
debate
and
said.
Maybe
the
smarter
way
forward
right
now
is
to
identify
setbacks
where
we
can
say:
you're
camping,
here,,
it's
going
to
get
abated.,
let's
just
articulate
this
now,
and
maybe
that
will
even
reduce
abatements
and
then
in
the
remaining
areas
which
we're
not
officially
sanctioning.
we're
just
trying
to
reduce
the
abatement
that
happens
outside
of
those
special
buffer
zones
or
set
areas.
I
we're
going
to
bring
it
as
many
services,
as
many
resources
to
bear
as
we
can,
and
we
do
it
for
as
many
people
as
possible,
rather
than
piling
a
bunch
of
focus
on
what
might
help
one
hundred
people
or
200
people..
Let's
try
to
get
those
services
out
to
the
thousands
people
who
live
on
our
streets.,
so
I
still
come
back
to
the
idea
that
that
set.
I
Effective,
more
pragmatic
way
that
forces
fewer
negative,
tradeoffs
and
material
improves
the
conditions
on
the
streets
for
our
own
house,
neighbors
and
benefits
a
whole
can
be,
I
think,
is
the
best
balance
of
all
the
different
interests
we
have
here..
Now,
if
we
can
figure
out
with
the
county
or
philanthropic
organization
piece
of
land,
how
to
do
a
pilot
sanction
encampment
to
prove
a
new
model
that
we
figure
out
that
works
better
here
than
it's
worked
in
any
other
city.
I
A
A
B
A
I
I
A
A
A
Essentially,
this
cyclical
terrible
cycle
that
really,
I
don't
think
please
is
anybody
and
at
the
same
time
I
recognize
that
the
realities
of
the
challenges
and
staff.
This
is.
This
is
not
the
first
time
that
that,
right
that
I've
personally
heard
it.
it's
right..
I
recognize
that
the
realities
of
the
challenges-
I've
always
kind
felt
that
there
is
a
way
where
we
can.
We
have
sort
of
the
great
minds
on
our
our
city
staff
here
to
be
able
to
find
a
path,
forward.
A
A
A
Open
essentially
everywhere
else
in
the
city
is
open
game
for
abatement..
It
just
says
that
some
sites
will
be
prioritized.,
it
doesn't
necessarily
say
there
are
locations
that
won't
be.,
and
so
it
doesn't
give
anybody
any
indication
of
where
they
could
go.
and
rest
assured.
People
in
the
community
will
be
demanding
abatements
everywhere.
they're
not
going
to
care
to
follow,
whatever
sort
of
priority
process
may
or
may
exist
there.,
and
I
think,
you
know,
starfish
is
saying
that
if
we
move
forward
today
with
the.
A
F
F
F
F
K
Shift
these
source
sites
to
try
and
address
some
of
the
challenges
that
we
see
with
our
traditional
unsanctioned
encampment
and
abatement
programs,
and
that's
again
in
my
interest,
not
wanting
to
return
to
that.
and
we're
already
sort
of
starting
out
now
unfortunately..
But
that's
what
I
appreciate
about
the
recommendations
for
the
mayor
and
could
support
both
of
those
see
indeed..
Is
there
a.
K
Hybrid
approach?
is
there
something
that
we
can
get
to?,
but
meanwhile
I
am
not
interested
in
stopping
the
progress
on
getting
to
a
pilot
sanctioned
encampment,
because
there's
there's
no
telling
that
whatever
we
do
with
the
source
sites
is
actually
going
to
work.
and
in
fact
we
know
that
the
biggest
flaw
with
the
source
sites
is
that
any
and
all
of
them
can
be
evaded,
and
so
they
don't
necessarily.
K
Even
if
you
get
a
couple
months,
they
don't
necessarily
give
any
assurance,
and
so
I
know,
we've
prioritized
to
add
additional
source
sites
in
the
budget,
but
all
of
those
source
sites
that
we
have
today
and
even
the
ones
that
we
may
potentially
add,
could
all
essentially
be
abated.
and
the
worst
part
about
the
source
sites,
at
least
today.
This
would
something
I'd
like
to
be
able
to
change
as
well.,
but
but
at
least
today
we
don't
identify
the
sites
we
allow
them
to
be
identified
by
our
in-house
community.
K
and
so
who's
to
say
that
they
don't
know
that
they're
picking
a
site
that
maybe
there
is
going
to
be
some
construction,
the
next
couple
of
months
and
we
go
out
there
and
create
a
source
site
out
of
it.
But
then,
ultimately,
you
have
to
abate
it
and
that's
already
happened.
we've
already
abated
source
sites.
This
past
year
we
have
one
of
the
largest
sites.
We've
got
estimated
up
to
300
people
living
along
the
guadalupe
river
parkway,
and
that
is.
K
Currently
identified
as
a
source
site.,
but
we
know
that
we
already
have
demands
from
the
faa
that
we
update
that
site
and
that's
a
significant
number
of
people
and
obviously
know.
I
do
appreciate
the
mayor's
efforts
and
he
is
a
man
of
his
word
and
he
stood
next
to
me
at
a
number
of
these
community
meetings
to
speak.
A
lot
of
heat
and
arrows,
as
we've
tried
to
identify
solutions
like
what
we're
trying
to
identify
identify
with
this
lot
e
over
by
the
police
station
and
but
even
still..
K
K
Do
they
help
us
towards
our
our
end
goal
of
ending
homelessness??
They
do.?
I
would,
I
would
differ
in
opinion
from
councilmember
as
far
as
on
that..
It
is
by
no
means
should
be
where
we're
prioritizing
our
efforts.,
but
when
we
are
continually
going
through
and
beating
individuals
with
that
improvement,
the
trauma
that
that
causes.
we've
heard
from
individuals
on
the
spikes
of
mental
health
that
have
been
through
that
we
are,
in
my
mind,
exasperating
the
problem
and
not
providing
the
proper
service
to
those
community
members..
K
K
K
K
K
K
Could
we
not
know
if
we're
just
looking
at
a
pilot
here??
Can
we
not
scrape
off
some
of
those
dollars??
That
would
mean
maybe
minimizing
the
expansion
of
the
source
sites,
which
I
would
be
willing
to
do,
because
I
see
them
as
nearly
one
in
the
same,
what
we're
trying
to
do
with
the
sanction
encampments..
So
could
that
be
an
option
for
where
we
could
find
resources??
K
K
These
questions
you
can
already
answer
verbally,
so
I'm
not
expecting
you.
go.
Do
some
homework..
I
just
want
the
council
to
actually
hear
the
answers
because
we
have
new
members
of
the
council.-
council
members
have
just
joined
the
last
34
years
who
weren't
part
of
that
experience
in
2015
16
and,
as
I've
just
heard,
one
of
them
just
articulated,.
He
believes
we
never
actually
tried
who,
in
fact
we
did
and
that's
that's
part
of
the
problem..
I
just
feel
like
people
don't
have
all
the
information.,
so
you
want
to
answer
verbally.
That's
fine
with
me.
K
K
Comment,
you
just
said:
I
know
that
we
haven't
said
it
enough
in
this
commentary,
because
we've
been
kind
of
bogged
down
on
the
issues
here.,
but
hearing
that
from
you,
obviously
recognizing
the
work
that
you
go
through
and
especially
you
yourself,
because
we're
sort
of
always
engaging
with
you..
I
just
wanted
to
be
able
say
thank
you
to
you
and
your
team.
and
again,.
I
didn't
start
off
with
that,
specifically
to
yourself
and
into
the
team
that
does
this
work.
so
hearing
that
I
just
wanted
to
be
able
to
interject
sorry
for
interrupting.
K
K
Code
19
recovery
phase
that,
in
my
opinion,
will
be
harder
than
the
year
2020
and
our
code
red
response.
The
housing
department
is
working
on
our
response
to
the
eviction
cliff..
We
have
to
demobilize,,
sell,
call
shelter
that
right
now
has
two
hundred
and
seventy
individuals
enrolled
there..
We
have
to
demobilize
13
hotels
across
the
county
and
where
are
we
going
to
house
the
thousands
of
people
that
are
currently
in
our
temporary
shelters
in
hotels.?
K
Three
hundred
and
twenty
five
thousand.
would
that
include
this:
ask
that
that
councilmember
right
hand
it's
asking
for..
I
know
you
didn't
know
about
that
ahead
of
time.
So
what
would
you
need
more
to
do
that?
Additional
analysis
that
comes
from
behind
is
asking
for?.
I
think
we
could
do
it
with
the
staff
that
we.
K
A
A
Means
that
you
leave
people
in
these
facilities
with
no
place
to
go.
and
really
that's
the
structure
of
the
housing
department
and
reagan
and
her
team
and
kelly
and
vanessa
will
have
been
working
on
is
how
do
we
move
people
through
the
systems??
What
we
know
is
that,
just
by
creating
a
simple
place
where
people
can
stay
does
not
solve,
homelessness,
does
not
get
people
moving
anywhere
else.,
and
so
hence
why
the.
A
K
K
K
A
K
L
Much
more
discussion
that
needs
to
happen
and
it
has
to
happen
before
there's
a
site
identified
and
after
there's
a
site
identified,
it
doesn't
matter
how
much
outreach
you
have
done,.
You
will
be
accused
of
not
doing
enough
outreach
because
nobody
wants
it
by
their
house..
Nobody
wants
to
walk
their
kids
past
past
it
when
they're
asking
you
to
do
something
about
it.
and
I'm
I'm
honestly,
I'm
speaking
from
the
heart
here.,
I'm
not
I'm
probably
going
to
blocks
it
on.
L
Social
media
for
this.,
but
when
they're
asking
you
to
do
something
about
homelessness,
they're
asking
you
to
get
rid
of
it
in
their
neighborhoods.
they're,
not
asking
you
to
do
something
that
is
providing
safety
and
sanitation
and
services..
And
I
I
will
tell
you,
I
and
I
think
the
colleagues
who
are
on
the
council
at
that
time
know
that
I
was
a
proponent
of
sanction.
Encampments
and
I
took
the
mayor's
challenge
and
found
a
site
and
did
the
work
with
jackie
and
reagan
and
their
team
to
try
to
make
it.
As.
L
L
L
and
there
there
are
a
lot
of
people
who
want
us
to
do
something
about
homelessness.
and
when
you
ask
them
the
question
about
what
they
want,
if
it
had
to
be
in
their
neighborhood,,
what
they
want
sanction
encampments
was
rarely
on
the
list..
I
did..
I
don't
know.
over
a
dozen
of
those
meetings
over
the
course
of
a
year
and
one
time
it
came
up.
L
A
A
A
A
L
A
A
L
E
L
A
L
L
F
F
F
And
cabinet
sites,
some
down
from
me
with
you
know
what
motivates
us
to
do
that.
at
that
time.
It
was
the
same
issues,
council,
member
cohen,
that
you're
bringing
up
now
where
we
were
baiting,
the
encampments
in
the
homeless
population.
We
just
moved
to
a
different
location
and
then
come
right,
back.
or
it
was
costing.
The
city
money
was
causing
disruption
spare
for
our
homeless
population.
and
it.
L
B
J
F
A
M
M
C
D
M
M
F
M
M
M
Friendly
amendment
to
councilmember
remain
hands.
motion
that
was
made
by
council
davis
and
I
just
want
to
understand
this
point,
councilmember
davis.
With
regard
to
the
storage
issue.,
are
you
satisfied?
That's
already
been
addressed,
or
should
I
be
included?
yes,,
that's
been
addressed.
on
the
other.
The
other
friendly
amendment
wants
to
drop
items
3
and
5
from
your
memo,
and
I
think
you
had
already
said
to
reagan
that
she
had.
She
had
a
draft..
So
I
just
wanted
to
formalize
that.
M
M
M
M
I
don't
think
that
would
necessarily
be
invoked.,
so
I
just
I
don't
want
the
implication
to
be
here
that
there's
a
bunch
of
analysis
reporting
that
needs
to
come
back..
If
this
motion
were
to
move
forward,
that
that
is
not
my
intent.,
so
hopefully
that's
clear.
happy
to
further
clarify..
If
helpful.,
can
you
repeat
that
please?
yes.?
So
my
intention
is
that
the
the.
M
B
Mayor's
memo
states
that
we
would
we
would
not
be
moving
forward
this
time.
Essentially.,
I'm
not
sure
that
that
requires
a
lengthy
analysis
and
report
right
now
from
staff
at
this
moment..
It's
more
articulating
that
it
should
be
council
policy
that
if
we
were
to
move
forward
with
a
pilot
that
that
that
analysis
ought
to
be
done.,
does
that
does
that
make
sense?
B
B
B
But
so
so,
a
few
of
the
questions
I
have
is
the
first
one
is
for
and
if
you
don't
have
the
numbers
jack
and
I
apologize
no,
this
already
or
reagan.,
but
do
we
know
how
much
we
spend
on
abatements
every
year
like
a
rough
number
and
I'm
just
trying
to
wrap
my
head
around
the
impact
of
that.
and
the
reason
I'm
asking
is
it
stood
out
to
me
know
as
it
relates
to
some
of
the
comments
that
council
member
coleman
is
making
right.
that
assuming
we.
C
C
C
Sitting
outside
somebodies
business
or
home
or
mobile
home
park
that
people
will
want
abated..
So
I
just
don't
think
we're
going
to
see
any
savings
there,
because
we've
not
stopped
getting
those
phone
calls,
because
we
open
up
one
encampment
of
100
people,
which
is
not
going
to
happen.,
and
I
will
say
it's
an
important
point,
jackie,
that
you
make
that
council
priority
on
march.
C
C
C
C
C
C
I
have
a
couple
of
sites
in
mind.
I
mean
I
haven't
talked.,
we
haven't
had
a
conversation
with
staff,
but
there
are
certain
sites
in
this
before
that
we've
talked
about.
Where
I
mean
again,
this
goes
back
to
the
distinction
between
the
gray
line
between
what's
a
source
site
and
what's
the
sanction.
cameron
right.,
I
have
an
idea..
Maybe
I
maybe
I
spoke
a
little
bit
too
much
in
saying
this
is
a
real
distinction.
C
My
mine.,
I
think,
there's
a
level
of
service
at
source
sites
that
can
offer
that
a
little
higher
offer
now
in
their
sites
in
my
district
that
I
think
can
handle
more
people
than
they
currently
have.
That
can
be
source
sites
with
higher
levels
of
services,
and
I
don't
want
to
bring
things
up
right
here
in
this
public
forum,
but
I'm
perfectly
happy
to
talk
with
staff..
I
feel
like
it's
great
that
we've
discussed
that
with
the
potential
sites.
q
thank
you.
thompson
moving
forward,.
B
Question
for
staff,,
you
know.,
I
know.
you
know,.
I've
brought
it
up
on
occasion
and
you
know,
we've.,
and
this
is
related
to
the
bridge
housing
communities
in
district
2..
I'd
like
to
think
that
my
team
and
I
have
done
everything
possible
to
once.
It
was
approved
and
moving
forward
to
make
it
a
success.
B
and
we
try
to
lift
it
up
as
there's
a
model,.
You
know,
that
that's
successful
in
transitioning
people
out
of
homelessness
and
things
of
that
nature.,
but
you
know,.
There
was
no
community
process
with
that
with
that.
If
the
installation
goes
to
bridge
housing
community.,
so
I
guess
what
I
wonder
is
given
that
we're
still
pandemic.
Assuming
we
move.
B
Would
we
simply
say
these:
are
the
locations
we're
moving
forward
with
it?,
let's,
let's
do
it?
or
how
would
that
take
place?,
so
you
know,.
We
certainly
hope
that
under
the
pandemic,
given
the
nature
pandemic-
and
certainly
it's
under
council
discretion,
if
you
give
us
the
direction,
we
we
in
order
for
us
to
do
a
21
76,
you.
B
B
B
Don't
think
it
just,
I
don't
think
it
played
out
well,
and
that
was
the
reasons.
One
of
the
reasons
I
voted
against.
It
is
just
because
it
was.
It
was
very
challenging
for,
for
me,
I'm
sure
any
other
council
member
to
go
through
a
process
like
that.,
so
I,
but
I
was
just
asking
just
getting
a
sense
as
to
what
would
be
possible..
Those
are
really
questions..
B
B
I
agree
with.
council
member.
As
far
as
this
comment,
I
think
it's
been
said,
and
this
is
understood
that
that
we
need
to
work
towards
ending
homeless..
I
totally
agree
with
that
and
I
think
councilmember
peralez
said
that.
keith.
You
know
his
comment
was,
I
think
we
all
agree-
and
I
agree
with
that
statement.,
but
I
also
know
we
we
need
a
manager.
right.
and
that's
part
of
the
challenge
and
that's
the
space
in
which
we're
talking
about.,
and
I
can
also
appreciate
the
concerns
and
the
frustration.
B
Not
at
staff
but
just
that.,
but
just
that
the
process
and
just
where
we
are
as
a
community,
as
a
country,
quite
frankly,
as
it
relates
to
the
topic
of
homelessness.
right..
So
so
I
feel
for
council,
member
cohen
and
council
member
foley,
as
they
poke
around
trying
to
find
these
solutions.
right.,
which
I'm
sympathetic
to..
I
understand,
you
know,
that
I
thought
about
this
as
council
member
we'll
have
a
stock
and.
B
Council
member
davis
was
talking
and
just
heard
her
heartfelt
expression
in
talking
about
some
of
the
folks
that
are
living
on
the
streets.,
and
I
always
describe
to
my
residents
that
look,,
the
folks
call
us
to
abate
some.
You
know,
some
of
the
upper
house,
folks
that
may
or
may
not
be
creating
some
issues
in
the
community.,
but
I
always
explain
to
them
that
there
is
this
and
I
think,
we're
living
it
right
here
during
this
conversation.
But
it
is
that
inherent
tension.
B
C
Very
big
challenge.,
it's
it's
difficult!
These
are
not
easy
things
for
grappling
with.
and
I
you
know,.
I
sometimes
wish
that
some
of
the
residents
call
us
could
it
could
live
a
day
in
our
shoes
fielding
some
of
these
questions.,
so
they
could
foley
understand
the
diep
and
challenging
dynamics
that
are
part
of
these
discussions.
C
I'll
I'll
be
supporting
the
motion
on
the
floor..
I
actually
prior
to
clarification
from
councilmember
remain
ahead..
I
wasn't
going
to
support
it
because
I
was
thinking
you
know,.
I
heard
you
know,
reagan
talk
about
her
heartburn
and
I
wasn't
interested
in
having
her
go
in
and
study
more
things.,
but
I
appreciate
the
clarification
that
cats
were
making.,
so
I
will
be
supporting..
C
I
also
had
some
questions
about
what
was
including
the
mayor's
memo
and
glad
that
some
of
those
other
things
came
out,
but
supportive
of
expanding
the
sewer
services
and
and
things
of
that
nature,
because
I
think
you
think
there's
some
strides
to
be
made
in
that
space.
and
I
don't
think
we've
really
seen
the
full
fruits
of
that
labor..
So
anyhow,
how
difficult
topic,
but.
C
C
Seem
to
juxtapose
sanction
campaigns
against
abatements?.
I
think
you've
probably
heard
that
it's
a
bit
of
a
false
choice,
because
we're
really
stuck
with
abatements
as
long
as
we're
going
to
be
responding
to
fires
or
to
criminal
activity
or
disruptions.
people
living
in
the
right
away
or
at
schools
or
whatever
it
might
be..
It
doesn't
address
the.
C
C
Day
period,
two
to
three
months,
something
along
that
period
of
time
to
actually
give
people
notice
if
there
is
a
need
to
disband
the
encampment..
And
I
say
that
because
I
think
he's
you
know,
many
of
the
sanction
and
camera
programs
that
work
in
other
cities.
They
actually
do
move
the
sanction
encampments
from
like
a
lot.
A
A
Problem
with
this
discussion
is
that
it's
very
complicated
for
us
to
try
to
figure
out
the
best
solution
in
this
forum
because,
as
you
pointed
out,,
I
don't
think
I
think
you
even
write
a
memo
and
have
to
make
a
motion
like
this..
It
becomes
very
specific
when
maybe
it
shouldn't
be
right.,
I
mean
my
my
feeling
is
that
I
don't.
A
C
Those
sites
can
get
more
people
on
those
sites.
so
that
when
we
have
abatements,
we
have
places
to
put
people
and
that
if
we
have
enough
services
that
are
going
to
provide
some
security
for
the
community
around
them
and
for
the
people
living
there,
that
we've
achieved
the
goals
that
I'm
not
I'm
setting
out
to
achieve.
I
don't
I
I
always
taking
overprescription.,
so
it
became
a
crossover
descriptive
and
I
apologize.
the
answer.
Is,
you
know,
one
thing
that
was
the
level
some
of
the
things
that
were
at
the
level
to
support
it.
C
I
think
level
1
is
already
pretty
much
covid
in
the
current
sites.
right.
and
that's
pretty
similar..
So
I
say,
though,
in
the
staff
member
level
to
had
some
things
that
I
thought
were
important.
For
example,
some
of
the
fire-
and
I
don't
know
you-
have
specific
solutions
yet
on
that,
but
some
of
the
fire
pits
or
something
make
fires
more
safe.
fire
extinguishers,
because
we
know
that
fires
are
a
big
problem.,
so
adding
some
of
those
services
I
mean.
C
C
and
as
we
look
for
additional
source
sites-
and
I
was
going
to
ask
some
of
these
questions
you
might
get
to
me-
I
can
ask
more
detailed
questions
about
how
we
would
identify
those
sites
and
and
what
size
they'd
be
and
what
the
time
gains
are
in
all
those
kind
of
questions..
But
I
think
it
can
be
addressed..
I
think
that
we're
kind
of
close.
C
I
didn't.
I
don't
think
that
the
difference
between
the
sanction,
encampment
and
a
saw
site
is
important
to
mine..
It
was
important
my
mind,
services
for
people
who
are
living
in
those
camps
and
things
that
are
making
the
community
around
them
safer.
Given
that
they're
there.
and
given
that
we're
trying
to
minimize
bateman,
even
though
we
won't
eliminate
about.
C
It
strikes
me
that
in
many
cases
the
abatements
occurred
because
of
immediate
safety
issues.,
and
so
it
seems
that
we've
had
very
met
a
lot
of
exceptions
to
that
60
to
90
day.,
that's
right..
I
mean
in
this
case
with
the
fire
district
last
week
with
all
those
engines,.
It
basically
came
and
said
we're
not
through
remove
this
encampment.
we're
not
going
to
get
to
a
notice
and
move
it..
So
I'm
not
convinced
that
the
60
to
90
day
notice
ends
up
being
as
useful..
C
I
think
it's
it's
good
in
some
instances
and
we
should
have
that
as
a
goal.,
but
I'm
not
convinced
it
will
be
applicable,
often
enough
to
be
a
major
improvement.,
okay,,
fair
enough.,
and
I
guess
you
can
see
where
I'm
going.
I'm
trying
to
see
if
you,
by
incorporating
some
of
those
elements
a
level
two
for
us
to
look
at
your
spices,
saw
sights..
Does
that
really
get
us
there
to
something?
That's
functionally
equivalent?
your
points!
Well,
taken.!
There's
no
assurance
with
this
notice,
requirement..
C
A
A
And
unfortunately
I
know
there
are
probably
others
they
should
be
naming,
but
there
aren't
many
more
because
it's
such
a
small
team.,
but
under
this
staff,
just
since
the
last
time
we
were
talking
about
sanction
encampments
all
but
and
in
a
matter
of
a
couple
of
months
we
tripled
the
number
of
shelter
beds
in
the
city.
Extending
the.
A
Pandemic.
we've
implemented
two
transitional
tiny
home
communities.,
never
tried
that.
in
fact,.
We
were
the
first
in
the
state
to
do
legally
because
we
had
to
go
get
legislation
to
go,
do
it.,
and
then
we
led
the
way
and
now
it's
becoming
a
model
for
other
cities..
We
built
three
emergency
housing
communities
and
contrary
to
assertions
that
takes
too
long
to
build
housing
three
to
four
years..
Yes,
it
does..
We
built
three
of
these
in
10
months
and.
A
They're
now
housing
300
more
than
300
people.,
and
I
should
also
say
I
just
talked
to
a
person
who
was
head
of
a
nonprofit
and
sam
cisco
came
down
to
visit
one
chris
lockett
said
guy..
We
got
to
be
doing
this
all
over
san
francisco.,
we've
amended
how
homelessness
prevention
program-
and
this
is
with
partners,
of
course,
with
the
county
destination
and
others.,
but
a
model
homelessness
prevention
programs
help
thousands
of
people
stay
housed.,
we've
converted
to
motels
well
before
the
governor
ever
announced..
A
We
developed
a
source
site
program
and
also
pureness
and
lots
of
other
folks..
Thank
you
olympia
for
all
your
work..
So
a
lot
of
the
folks
working
on
this.
These
are
all
innovations
that
we
have
implemented
in
a
relatively
short
period
of
time,
because
we
are
not
going
back
to
the
status
quo..
We
actually
decided
to
try
this
before
in
2016..
It's
not
that
we
looked
at
it
and
kind
of
donald.
We
tried,
we
tried
it
at
one
site.
A
A
C
A
C
These
are
not
programs
that
reflected
apartment.
That's
just
sitting
around..
I
guess
that's
what
I'm
trying
to
be
clear.
This
is
not
a
status
quo
department.,
so
I
think
we
need
to
acknowledge
that
we're
not
trying
the
same
things.
we're
trying
a
lot
of
new
things
and
we're
trying
them
rapidly..
But
when
we
see
the
experience
of.
A
Other
cities
that
have
tried
some
of
these
things
and
failed,
we
don't
need
to
put
our
hand
in
the
flame..
We
don't
need
to
do
that
because
we
got
lots
of
other
innovative
programs
and
we
have
some
of
these
are
working
and
we
just
need
the
resources
and
staff
and
attention
to
actually
scale
them..
So,
rather
than
saying,
we've
got
to
put
our
own
hand
in
the
flame,
or
we
won't
know
it's
hot,.
A
C
A
C
C
B
B
N
Perhaps
because
I
haven't
become
disillusioned
yet,
as
maybe
other
colleagues
I'm
hearing
from
colleagues,
I
was
ready
to
go.
Take
my
lumps
and
fight
for
cites
in
my
district
and
I'm
still
willing
to
do
that.,
so
you
know,,
as
even
as
source
sites
or
for
additional
temporary
housing,.
I'm
ready
to
stand
up
and
offer
places
in
my
district
for
that
and
to
stand
up
to
my
community
about
that
and
experience
what
council,
member
davis
has
it's
true.,
that's
what
it
comes!
N
N
N
N
N
Not
what
has
happened
before.,
but
but
you
know
that
the
things
of
interest
to
me
in
the
memo
where
the
extra
staff
to
help
try
to
provide
extra
services,
the
level
two
services
that
are
there,
that
we
don't
currently
offer
and
our
source
cites
that
I
think
are
important..
So
for
me
those
are
the
kind
of
things
I
wanted
to
sort
of
see
as
an
outcome
here
that,
whether
we
have
source
sites,,
whether
we
have
something
we
call
a
sanctioned
encampment
or
a
monitoring
zone.
N
Again.
that
that
wasn't
important
to
me.
and
my
the
way
I
envision
it
is.
While
I
know
there
might
be
additional
sites,
we
can
identify,
most
of
the
sites.
I
believe,
are
sites
that
we
currently
have
people
living
in
and
so
we're
talking
about
something
like
sewer
where
we're
expanding
and
providing
resources
where
people
already
are,
but
perhaps
thinking
of
ways
to
offer
additional
sites,.
N
Additional
space
at
those
sites
for
people
if
we
set
up
a
services
breakfast.,
so
really
that's
my
intent
behind
the
conversation,
because
I
know
that
people
are
frustrated,
and
I
know
that
that
you're
frustrated..
I
know
that
we're
all
frustrated..
I
certainly
know
that
our
residents.,
so
that's
kind
of
where
I
was
coming
from.,
so
you
know,.
I.
N
Things
and
I
actually
had
a
conversation
with
the
fire.
some
folks
in
the
fire
department
last
month
about
this,
and
you
know,
there's
questions
about
what
the
right
approaches.
you
know,,
giving
up
propane
tanks
from
their
perspective,
actually
isn't
the
right,
approach.
there's
a
lot
safety
issues
with
that
and
disposal
issues
and
questions
about
how
you
can
be
safe
with
propane
tanks.,
but
you
know,
fire
pits
that
separate
the
fire
from
the
ground
so
that
when
you're,
making
fires
they're,
not
necessarily
as
likely
to
spread
providing
fire
few.
N
there's
there
are
things
we
can
do
and
I'd
like
to
use
this
for
how
we
can
do
that
because
one
of
the
things
we
hear
from
one
of
our
neighbors
as
well.,
we
have
them
regularly.,
they're,
not
really
that
close
to
your
home..
I
know
you
have
to
see
them,
but
they'll
call
in
the
morning
and
say
they're
setting
fires
and
see
that
they're
trying
to
cook
and
keep
warm.,
but
I'd
like
to
find
ways
to
have
set
those
fires
as
safely
as
possible.
If
they're
going
to
doing
it.,
we
were
made..
N
A
N
F
F
N
20
20,
we
were
looking
at
in
encampments
of
25
or
more
people.,
so
we
consider
that
we'd
be
looking
at
number
smaller
now,
given
that
some
of
those
encampments
that
might
be
somewhat
region
sensitive
area,
not
sensitive,
moving
somewhat
close
to
residential
areas,
but
still
somewhat
of
a
distance
but
might
be
smaller
but
are
causing
concern
to
our
community
that
we
might
still
be
able
to
provide
services
at
those
you
know,.
I
think
council.
N
N
N
N
N
N
N
B
N
Being
to
work
through
these
issues
with
us
and
especially,,
you
know,
a
team
like
all
of
you
that
truly
do
care
about
these
issues..
I
know
you
get
called
on
it
as
much
as
we
do
that
you,
don't
you
don't
care,
then,
and
that's
just
not
true.,
and
so
I
just
wanted
to
say
thank
you
as
well
to
specifically
when
I
kelly,
who
I.
F
N
J
Unsanctioned
encampments
pop
up..
We
go
out
and
beat
them..
They
come
right
back
within
you,
know,,
sometimes
as
early
as
a
couple
hours
as
we
know,
and
that's
why
we
know
that,
you
know,
abatements,
don't
work..
I
think
we
can
debate
that,
maybe
as
we're
doing
today
sanctioned
encampments.,
some
may
believe
don't
work,
but
I
think
we
certainly
know
abatements
don't
work
to
help
us
end,
homelessness.
what
we
spend
a
lot
of
time
and
effort
and
energy
and
that
because,
quite
frankly
we
have
to
effects,
you
know,.
J
J
I
can
only
personally
do
so
much
without
staff
support
going
back
to
obviously
that
the
importance
of
having
staff
be
able
to
be
here
with
us.
and
I'd
like
to
be
able
to
do
that
today.
But
I'm
afraid
that
if
we
move
forward
the
current
motion
on
the
table,
then
both
of
those
pilot
sites
will
go
on
supported
and
ultimately
we
won't
move
forward
on
on
those
opportunities..
I
think
I
want.
J
J
N
To
move
forward,
and
maybe
not
even
necessarily
including
the
service
component.,
I
know
that
you
know
that
the
different
levels,
level,
1,,
2
and
3-
were
60000
hundred
seventy
nine
or
1
one
million
one
hundred
seventy
nine
thousand..
I
think
there
is
reality
to
the
fact
that
if
we
did
move
forward
with
this
opportunity
today
that
we
wouldn't
be
talking
operating
a
sanctioning
camp
site
for
over
a
year
from
now.,
so
in
my
mind
more
importantly,
it's
the
three
hundred
and
twenty
five
thousand
dollars
or
that
staff
time.
N
F
N
F
J
L
B
N
N
N
J
Regardless.,
I
would
prefer
to
support
the
underlying
motion,
but
what
I
ask
for
is
a
friendly
amendment
because
again,
as
you've
heard
from
from
reagan,
this
is
to
the
make
of
the
motion
you've
heard
from
reagan.
If,
if
we
don't
do
this
work,
then
the
opportunities
that
I'm
trying
to
act
on
in
my
district
as
pilots
go
nowhere.
J
J
N
N
Pilot
locations
within
my
district
one,
that's
again,
that's
a
privately
owned
and
one
that's
publicly
owned.
and
as
reagan
stated,,
you
know,,
unless
we
actually
fund
this
for
325
days,
potentially
right
staff
time
they
do
this
work
that
can't
happen..
So
we
we
fallback,
default
to
your
current
motion,
which
does
not
include
any
opportunity
of
piloting
a
sanction
encampment.,
and
so
that's
what
I'm
asking
as
the
friendly
amendment,
and
it
would
allow
us
to
do
both
essentially,
would
allow
us
to
do.
N
J
J
A
Obviously
would
like
to
have
staff
there,
but
I'm
more
than
happy
to
stand
up
from
the
community,.
Let
them
know
right.
that
this
is
ok..
This
is
what
we're
leading
on
and
that
these
are
the
sites
that
we've
we've
identified,
and
this
is
not
by
some
means
right
that
we've
told
staff
to
go
out
there
and
do
this..
I
mean
it
still.
A
F
yeah,.
I
know.
I
mean
again
on
the
kenyan
side
of
it.
absolutely.,
but
I
mean
mike
my
staff
is
my
team..
I
myself
am
not
going
to
able
to
do
the
work
that
stuff
is
going
to
do,
hence
why
this
is
going
to
take
that
that
you
know,
one
and
a
half.
yeah..
Potentially,
if
that
person
counselor.
Let
me
just.
F
J
J
To
say,
if
we're
going
to
pursue
a
pilot,,
let's
at
least
identify
the
tradeoff.,
so
how
much
less
are
able
to
invest
in
source
sites,
for
example,
or
emergency
housing
or
whatever,
whatever
other
investments
we
want
to
make,
because
I
would
like
to
understand
what
we're
giving
up
if
we're
investing
city
resources
in
a
sanction
and..
Given
that
we
have
other
solutions
that,
I
think
many
of
us
think
are
promising
and
getting
traction,.
We
just
need
more
money
and
focus
to
continue
to
execute.
the
other.
N
N
B
O
A
site
and
funding
and
a
potential
forward
path
on
doing
something
in
your
district
that
the
community
supports.
I'd
want
to
support
that.
but
again,.
I
would
just
want
understand..
Does
that
mean
fewer
resources
or
saw
sites
which
I
think
is
maybe
a
more
cost
effective
way
to
help
a
lot
of
people??
Does
it
mean
less
emergency
housing??
Does
it
open
us
to
potentially
a
really
large
lawsuit
on
the
site??
So
I
just
I
don't
really
know
that
I
can
budge
on
those
questions.
O
O
I
don't
want
to
block
your
efforts..
I
really
value
and
respect
what
you're
trying
to
do..
Truly,
I
just
love
that
question
of
tradeoffs
and
legal
risk..
Both
of
those
are
fundamentally
pretty
important
to
me,
and
I
had
a
step
earlier
if,
within
that,
they're
going
to
twenty
five
thousand
allocation,
if
they
felt
that
that
staff
could
do
the
analysis
that
your
memo
had
asked
and
they
said
yes.
and
I'm
happy
to
see
reagan.,
you
want
to
clarify
that.,
but
if
that's
the
case,,
I
think
you
can
include
your
memo
in
this
friendly
amendment.
O
That
then,
would
say.
Well
then
we..
That's
also
part
of
the
analysis
that
we
want
staff
to
do.
and
the
only
other
adjustment
that
I
sort
would
have
made
from
staff's
memo
is
I'm
saying
I
don't
even
think
we
have
to
identify
at
the
moment
the
level
one,
level
two,
level,
three,
I'm
willing
to
default
to
level
one
to
make
it
the
cheapest..
But
I'm
saying
I
don't
think
we
need
to
decide
on
that
just
yet
because,
as
we've
heard,
we're
likely
over
a
year
away
from
even
operating
like
this..
O
O
We
would
need
that
to
do
any
and
all
of
this
analysis,
and
and
just
for
my
clarification,
because
it
sounds
like
as
part
of
your
friendly
and
men,
that
you
would
want
us
to
do
it
regardless
if
your
site's
pilot
sites
came
through
because,
ideally
we
would
say
if
you're
pilot
sites
are
go,
then
we'll
do
this..
But
it
sounds
like
you
want
us
to
do
the
prep
work
first,
as
you're
working.
O
O
O
O
O
Services
or
other
write
offs.,
what
we're
maybe
jackie,
can
answer.
That,
jackie
are
the
things
that
you
have
to
drop.
If
this
motion
is
granted.,
that
would
probably
be
sure..
I
mean
my
understanding
is
if
this
mentions
great
men-
and
I
should
say
ten
minutes-
we're
getting
a
staff,
a
one
and
a
half
people
to
do
this
work..
So
we
would
not
proceed
until
we
got
the
one
and
a
half
who
would
then
do
the
work.?
That's
my
understanding.
yeah.
I
at.
O
The
moment
I
mean
I'm
I'm
open
to
from
others.
I'll,
let
you
move
on.,
I'm
going
to
say
no
for
the
moment,
just
because
I
don't
I
don't..
I
see
that
is
in
conflict
with
the
spirit
of
my
memo,
which
is,
if
we're
going
to
move
forward,,
let's
identify
the
trade
off
in
terms
of
source
services
or
other
homeless
services
that
we've
already
prioritized..
That's
my.
O
O
O
O
Include
your
memo
into
my
friendly
amendment,
so
that
that
way
you
rest
assured
that
analysis
that
you're
asking
for.,
I'm
also
comfortable
with
that
being
asked
for..
The
problem
is:
staff
needs
that
person
to
do
that
analysis,
right.,
so
that
analysis
can't
be
done
first
before
we
even
invest
three
hundred
twenty
five
thousand
dollars
and
hire
a
new
staff
person,
because
that's
the
person
who
needs
to
do
it.
O
O
B
Can
do
it.,
I
mean
I'm
not
asking
for
like
a
scientific
analysis,
here.
I'm
asking
for
back
to
the
envelope
math.
it's
going
to
cost
roughly
this
much,
which
means
in
order
to
move
forward
with
even
a
pilot,
we're
going
to
do
this
much
less
in
terms
the
existing
services
that
we've
already
agreed.
We
want
to
prioritize..
That's
that's
why
I
see
the
conflict.,
maybe
it's
a
sequencing
thing
and
I
just.
yeah,.
I
see
those
in
conflict.
sorry..
Let
me.
B
O
to
do
that
work
to
be
done.,
but
in
order
for
that
to
be
done
right,
we
have
to
get
the
people
there
to
do
it.
and
without
it
being
done,.
I
don't
think
we'll
ever
get
to
the
place
where
you're
talking
about
right
now,
which
is
we
already
have
a
site,,
you
know,
in
hand,
and
it's
ready
to
go
now.
Let's
invest
again.,
I
think
any
of
any
one
of
us
can
get
us
so
far,
but
we're
gonna
need
all
of
this
work.
O
O
O
yeah,.
I
appreciate
that..
I
do
really
respect
the
efforts
you're
trying
to
make.
jackie
reagan,.
Is
there
any
way
to
just
assess
for
us
what
the
cost
is
of
what
councilor
peralez
is
asking.
For?
is
an
initial
step
here,
just
the
cost
to
your
team?,
the
cost,
the
services
to
our
in-house
residents?.
Are
there
opportunities
I
feel
like
that's
been
kind
articulated,
which
is
why
we
are
where
we
are
here.,
but
we'd
love
to
just
hear
a
summary
quickly.
If
you
don't
mind,
berryessa
jackie.
B
B
B
B
P
P
P
Q
Q
Q
E
E
B
M
M
M
M
M
M
Both
sides.,
you
know,,
the
advocates
you
know,,
we
hear
from
people
with
lived
experiences.
Several
council
members
here
have
tried.
they've
changed
their
mind..
They
have
a
different
position.
Now.
some
of
are
still
holding
steady,
that
we
think
that
this
could
be
an
answer..
I
don't
think
that
the
answer
is
to
create,
you
know,
10,,
12,
15,.
M
M
M
May
not
be
while
I'm
here,
but
that
we
will
be
having
the
conversation
and
it
will
be
looked
at
quite
quite
differently.
in
fact,.
Many
folks
didn't
think
that
we'd
get
to
this
point,
how
this
conversation,
but
I
look
forward
to
seeing
council
member
policies
b.d.
and
having
this
conversation
again
and
hope
that
he
can
hold
on
to
the
sites
that
he's
identified
on
this
council
member
met
me
and
wants
to
go
ahead
and
reconsider
that
from
the
amendment..
Thank
you
cast.
M
M
M
yes,,
I
am..
We
also
have
representatives
from
public
services
available
for
any
questions.
okay,
great..
Thank
you
very
much.,
all
right..
So
there
is
no
presentation.
Though,
valerie,
is
that
right?,
that's
correct.
any
presentation..
Let's
go
to
public
comments..
If
there's
anyone
who
wants
to
comment
on
this
item
six
point
one
which
is
rates
for
commercial,
solid,
waste.,
ok,,
we're
coming
back
to
council.-
is
there
a
motion
or
a
comment?,
so
moved
seconded.
B
K
K
K
K
K
E
Just
all
kinds
of
stuff,
not
not
only
food,
but
I
mean
all
kinds
of
stuff
like
that
furniture
and
things
like
that.
and
o'brien
philippe,,
there's
two
storage
facilities
that
are
right
around
the
corner
and
people
would
drop
some
furniture
and
it
would
break
and
instead
of
kind
of
stored-
or
maybe
they
were
moving
out
of
the
storage
and
they
didn't
want
anymore
and
they
would
just
drop
it
off
there.
And
then
the
people
would
grab
whatever
they
could,
because
that's
all
they
had
and
the
city
knows,
it.
E
I
know
that
I
had
conversations
at
that:
time.
martin,,
you
know,
was
out
there
and
he
knew
what
was
going
on.
and
yet
it's
still
the
unhealthy
people..
They
get
penalized
for
this
sort
of
thing.
and
I
think
we
need
to
have
a
different
way
of
looking
at
it
when
it
comes
to
the
unhealthy
population
because
they
don't
move
mattresses
out
of
material.
E
Think
there
was
some
kind
of
interference.
go
ahead,
mr.
gary.,
we'll
keep.
ok.
ok.,
all
right.
anyway,.
I'm
just
very
concerned
that
this
is
gonna,
be
something
I'm
going
to
use
it
again
to
criminalize
the
unhealthy,
and
I
think
we
should
provide
an
exception
for
unhealthy
people
to
not
be
penalized
by
this..
This
new
rule
that
you
guys
are
coming
up
with,
and
I
understand
people
that
are
moving
stuff
out
of
their
homes
or
small
contractors
that
don't
want
to
pay
dump
fees
and
then
just
leave
stuff
out
and
people
take.
C
Advantage
of
that
sort
of
thing,
because
they
don't
have
anything
to
build
a
house
out
of.
and
it
matters
could
come
in
handy
or
even
address
your
drawer,
something
that
they
can
use
for
the
wood
or
whatever
it
is..
But
I
don't
think
they
should
get
penalized
for
that,
because
they're,
not
the
ones
they're,
not
the
source
of
this
material,
that's
being
dumped.,
so
please.
ok.
thank
you,.
C
C
People
who
are
moving
are
not
taking
advantage
of
the
homeless.
People
by
you'll
will
just
dump
all
those
construction,
jobs
or
my
old
self..
I
don't
want
and
or
I'll
assume,
it's
just
part
of
the
encampment,
because
nobody
wants
to
have
junk
around.,
but
we
shouldn't
be
penalizing
the
house,
people
who
have
their
own
stuff
or
they
don't
really
have
a
way
to
discard
things..
But.
C
M
Thank
you..
I
appreciate
that.,
it's
been
a
long
day.
most
folks,
don't
know.
We've
been
on
this
call
since,
like
nine
thirty
in
the
morning,
so
I'm
a
little
worn
out
myself..
I
just
want
to
zip
through
a
few
comments
and
acknowledge
a
few
things
that
were
said
first
and
foremost
that
the
genesis
of
this
idea.
M
C
Wanted
to
take
him
publicly
for
his
ideas
and
his
efforts
behind
this..
Obviously,
after
that,
councilmember
peralez
began
moving
this
issue
forward
and
put
a
memo
rules,
and
that
was
dated
april
22nd
and
I
give
the
date
simply
because
we
submitted
a
replacement
memo
or
a
replacement..
Now,
a
supplemental
memo.,
and
so
I.
C
G
M
M
M
It's
our
thought
that
it
is
evident
that
these
same
committees
are
already
disproportionately
impacted
by
the
negative
consequences
of
illegal
dumping.
stella..
It
was
important
to
acknowledge
that.,
and
so
the
supplemental
memo
is
just
essentially
adding
some
additional
context
to
to
the
original
memo
that
we
submitted
to
rules
on
april
22nd..
You.
G
They
don't
have
the
means
to
pay
the
fine,
which
is
obviously
we
recognize
it's
diep..
How
do
we
devise
a
way
in
which
they
can
sort
of
pay
the
fine
without
having
to
pay
the
fine?,
and
so
some
of
the
ideas
that
we
put
forward
or
delayed
implementation
to
allow
for
proper
notice
seem
so
you
know,
obviously,
maybe
delaying
the
implementation
of
the
increase
of
the
fines.
So
that
way,
folks
were
made
aware
payment
plans
or
fee
waivers
for
residents
who
demonstrate
financial
hardship,.
G
You
know,,
maybe
something
even
as
creative
as
creative
as
community
service
hours
for
folks
that
are
not
actually
doing
the
dumping
in
lieu
of
the
fine..
So
things
of
that
nature.
and
we
know
that
the
fines
and
enforcement
are
helpful
tools,
but
we
also
need
to
do
better
as
providing
accessible
alternatives
to
illegal
dumping.
And
that's
why.
M
M
And
we
recognize
that.
and
so
trying
to
figure
that
out
is
going
to
be
very
important.
and
the
other
thing
that
we
put
in
the
memorandum
is
really
an
acknowledgement
that
the
governor's
office
recently
announced
one
point:
five
billion
plan
to
clean
and
beautify
underpasses,
freeways,
entrances,,
exits,
thoroughfares.
G
Through
all
across
california.,
obviously,
that's
state
property,
but
we
think
that
there
is
some
some
collaboration
that
can
maybe
take
place,
and
so
we
urge
the
staff
to
to
try
to
figure
out
how
the
city
is
seen
as
a
gardeners
and
get
some
of
that
money.,
and
so
I
think
we
need
to
advocate
for
a
fair
share
of
those
funds.,
the
other..
The
other
thing
that
I
wanted
to
say
that
touches
on
some
of
the
comments
that
were
made
is
just
to
make
clear
that
these
efforts
are
targeted
towards
our
in-house
community..
G
Now
we
all
know
in
a
funny
enough
that
robert
mentioned
it
but
part,
I
want
to
say,
as
we
all
know,
that
the
mattresses,
sofas
and
other
household
items
are
not
being
dumped
there
by
our
house.
this
resident,
it's
right..
I
have
often
seen
people
pull
up
and
just
dump
stuff
thinking
that
oh
well,
this
is
an
appropriate
place
to
drop
it
off..
They
can
maybe
make
do
with
a
tv
or
refrigerator
in
the
middle
of
the
street
or
whatever
it
may
be.,
and
so
this
certainly
isn't.
G
G
G
G
G
G
G
G
G
Give
some
feedback
at
the
rules
committee
and
I'm
really
pleased
to
see
it
in
here
and
grateful,
because
I
know
that
this
could
be
a
burden
for
many
of
our
community
members.
And
I
don't
think
that
this
is
was
your
intention..
And
so
I
love
that
you
have
these
alternatives.
And
the
other
thing
that
I
really
like
about
your
memo
is
that
you're,
not
only
just
stopping
at
this
consequence
of
having
a
a
fine.
G
G
G
G
G
G
N
N
Make
sure
we
have
that
distinction
here
about
what
the
definition
of
dumping
is
versus
litter
because
you
know,
dumping..
I
think
what
we're
talking
about
here
is
the
people
who
bring
large
items
and
dump
them
on
the
side
of
the
road
or
the
back
of
a
pickup
truck
and
dump
out
construction
debris,
not
people
who
are
littering,,
not
people
who
are
leaving
garbage..
I
think
that's
where
there
was
confusion
before
about
whether.
N
N
K
And
whatever
you
know,,
whatever
documents
or
whatever
they're
drafting
up
as
they're
moving
some
of
these
ideas
forward..
So
I
defer
them.,
but
I
think
using
common
sense
and
to
the
extent
they
can
formulate
language
to
be
very
specific,
I'm
open
to
that.
I
just
we.
We
weren't
super
prescriptive
in
the
memo
but
open
to
ideas.
and
maybe.
K
E
B
So
those
are
already
enforcement
that
takes
place
on
this
obviously..
Let
me
read
off
these
numbers,
for
example,
to
give
you
a
sense..
So
since
november
2017
through
march
20
21,
the
city
has
issued
eighty
nine
citations
for
illegal
dumping.
and
obviously
that's
less
than
one
hundred
citations
in
almost
four
years.,
and
so
it's
almost
an
insignificant
given
the
insurmountable
sort
of
issues
of
illegal
dumping
in
the
city..
Those
89
citations
total
about
two
hundred
and.
E
So
far,
I
think
only
about
forty
three
thousand
were
paid.,
so
I
don't
know
off
the
top
of
my
head
if
it's
code
enforcement
or
who's
actually
sort
of
the
enforcement,
that's
out
there
citing
folks.,
but
there
there's
an
infrastructure
in
place
that
does
that.,
and
so,
if
staff
wants
to
chime
in
or
know,
anyone
can
offer
some
clarification
at
the.
So
I.
E
B
E
R
R
That
we
could
a
similar,
really
explore
grant
programs..
Fifty
dollars
is
a
lot
of
money.,
there's
a
reason
why
people
dump
stuff
they
can't
afford
it..
You
know
there
are
many
reasons
why
people
dump
things,
but
fifty
dollars
is
a
lot
of
money,
especially
now.,
and
if
we
could
explore
grant
programs
or
voucher
programs,
because
really
we
want
to
encourage
people
to
not
dump.,
and
so
we
need
to
offer
alternatives.,
and
so
I.
R
R
R
R
That's
in
addition
to
the
program,
or
we
have
city
folks,
driving
around
picking
things
up.
and
as
we've
talked
to
folks,
people
have
told
us
they
have
they
don't
they
live
in
an
apartment
and
they
don't
have.
we're
in
a
living
situation
where
the
junk
pickup
is
not
feasible.,
and
so,
if
it
weren't
for
that
dumpster
day,
they
would
be
forced
to
dump.,
and
so
I
think,
there's
a
little
bit
more
work..
R
R
Don't
have
an
alternative.,
and
I
know
I
know
the
intent
of
these
memos
is
to
really
deter
people,
because
we
don't,
we
don't
want
people
doing
it.,
and
so
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we
offer
them
an
alternative.
and
one
of
those
alternatives
might
be
the
placement
of
dumpsters,
outreach
to
apartment
buildings,,
working
with
council
offices..
R
Maybe
we
have
some
insights
into
our
neighborhoods,
where
maybe
we
can
offer
dumpster
or
do
additional
dumpster
days
and
targeted
communities
and
all
of
our
districts
to
make
sure
that
those
folks
don't
get
left
behind
when
the
fact
we
really
just
don't
want
this
dumped
dumping
in
our
communities..
So
I
just
wanted
to
offer
that
I'm
not
going
to
ask
for
an
amendment,
because
I
think
the
spirit
of
all
the
memos
covers
that.
and
thank
you
to
everyone
all.
My
colleagues
for
bringing
this
forward.
thank
you.
thank
you.
rose
and
just
briefly.
R
And
I
do
know
that
a
majority
of
the
enforcement
come
from
the
police
department..
So
obviously
that
also
explains
why
we're
not
seeing
a
significant
number
of
people
who've
and
been
sighted
or
violated,
and
we
do
have
access
to
a
couple
of
cameras
today
that
can
be
deployed
in
certain
locations..
But
I
think,
having
more
and
more
of
those
and.
R
R
R
E
E
E
Q
Think
of
all
the
ideas,
the
one
that
may
be
least
impactful
is
actually
increasing
the
fine..
I
think
these
are
all
good
ideas..
I
suspect,
unless
we're
really
catching
a
lot
of
folks,
the
fine
amount
is
probably
not
going
to
make
a
huge
difference..
I
agree
with
councilmember
bitcoin
on
that,
but
lots
of
good
ideas
here,
and
so
I
look
forward
to
seeing
us
get
some
traction
on
a
really
difficult,
problem.
all
right.
the
comments
counselor
address
as
the
counselor.
B
C
How
we
can
support
small
businesses,
especially
now
that
many
of
them
I've
I
from
what
I
understand,
we'll
be
having
a
really
difficult
time.
and
the
season
is
starting,
as
the
days
are
getting
warmer,
and
so
we
are
probably
going
to
start
seeing
a
lot
more
of
that
construction
dumping.
As
as
we
begin
to
move
into
summer.
R
Final
item
is
ten
point
two,
which
is
the
member
to
channel
twenty,
the
urban
village,
a
mixed
use.
Zoning
districts
and
a
very
unfortunate
michael
breo
has
been
forced
to
stay
along
with
gerard
hart.,
I
believe
in,
and
I
see
rosen
and
few
others
have
all
been
forced
to
stay
till
the
very
end..
So
thank
you
all
for
your
patience.
planning
is
always.
R
R
R
R
G
G
G
Went
into
effect
on
january
1st,
twenty
nineteen
mandated
cities
like
wednesday
that
are
charter
cities
to
align
their
zoning
with
the
general
plan..
So
this
process
is
really
broken
into
three
phases.
phase.
One
a
was
to
update
the
existing
zoning
districts
to
better
align
with
the
general
plan.
council,
approved
that
in
20
19.
phase
1
b
is
to
create
no
new
zoning
districts
to
implement
high
density,
residential
and
mixed
uses
that
align
with
the
general
plans.
Land
use.
E
E
G
G
G
E
Density
development
and
really
important
as
a
most
importantly.,
but
I
just
want
to
highlight
this-
is
really
going
to
streamline
the
permanent
process
for
mixed
use.
Development.-
it's
going
development
that
our
general
plan
supports
and
is
calling
for
which
is
really,
really
important..
It
also
promote
high
quality.
Development.-
these
zoning
districts
are
use
modern.
G
G
G
B
E
Mixed
use,
development
in
the
new
zoning
districts
would
be
a
permitted
use.,
so
very,
very
much
streamlining
the
process
for
the
type
of
development
that
we
want
to
see.
Incentives
in
our
growth
areas,
also
so
townhomes
and
rowhouses
and
small
subdivisions.
The
typical
entitlement
process
for
this
development
was
a
planned
development,
zoning
and
then
pd
permit..
What
are
our
approach.
R
Just
need
to
get
a
site
permit,
so
it
streamlines
this
type
of
development
as
well.
all
of
this
being
said,.
We
will
still
adhere
to
the
council
outreach
policy..
We
will
have
public
noticing
and
there'll,
be
a
public
hearing.,
the
only
exception.
That
is,
of
course,
if
there's
a
state
law
that
that
has
a
ministerial
hearing
such.
R
R
R
R
R
R
R
R
E
E
Those
comments
could
be
integrated
into
the
development..
In
many
cases
as
I
said,
it
would
be
a
directors
hearing..
So
it
also
may
be
for
the
director
to
make
the
recommendation
and
then
a
decision
on
what
the
project
ultimately
would
look
like.,
but
we
would
take
into
account
the
urban
village
plan,
the
citywide.
B
P
That's
because
there
is
the
proximity
to
other
open
space.,
and
so
I
wanted
to
clarify
what
we
mean
by
that.
and
in
that
specific
instance.
right..
So
if
there's
a
creek
nearby,
a
mixed
use
development,,
what
is
the
expectation
that
that
development
offers
some
kind
of
space,
or
are
we
just
going
to
tell
people,
hey,?
You
can
go,
get
your
recreation
in
the.
P
Still
think
martina
davis
supervising
bear.,
so
we
do
have
public
open
space
defined
as
functional
public
open
space.,
so
that
would
be
a
park,,
a
trail.
there,
county
or
city
park,
also
a
publicly
owned
privately
owned,
publicly
accessible,
open
space..
So
it
is
certainly
our
intention
and
the
way
we
have
it
defined
to
mean
an
actual
functional
open
space,
not
just
open
area
that
people
have
access.
To.
yeah
and
I
I'm.
Q
Literally
functional
because
it's
a
trail,
but
it
is
not
in
practice.,
it's
not
functional,
open
space.,
and
so
I
think
this
is
an
issue
that
could
come
up
in
other
parts
of
the
city
as
well
that
are
dealing
with
similar
issues.,
and
so
that's
why
I
wanted
to
bring
that
up
tonight..
So
what
would
this.
Q
If
it
is
a
dedicated
city
trail,,
it
would
count
in
that
instance..
So
I
mean
if
for
example,
trails
were
not
something
we
thought
was
as
functional
as
a
park,.
Maybe
we
could
look
at
amending
that
definition
to
exclude
trails
for
example.
yeah.,
so
you
know,,
we
just
have
to
objectively
define
it.
what?
yeah..
So
I.
M
B
B
E
E
New
six
zoning
districts
and
you
said
that
that
the
next
step
would
be
to
apply
those
zoning
districts
to
some
of
the
urban
village
plans..
So
I
thought
what
you
had
said
earlier.,
and
so
my
question
is
how,
but
if
those
urban
villages
plans
are
already
finished
and
steadily
for
a
moment.,
so
these
zoning
districts
are
only
going
to
live
in
the
zoning
document.
they're,
not
they
just.
They
live
on
paper
and
in
the
title,
24
zoning.
B
There
is
a
plan
general
plan.
Land
use
designations
is
where
development
should
go,
what
it
should
look
like..
But
if
you
actually
look
at
the
zoning
in
those
urban
village
plans,,
the
zoning
is
whatever
it
could
be:
industrial
or
commercial
or
single
family..
It
doesn't
reflect
the
urban
village
plan.
B
B
B
right..
We
wouldn't
be
revisiting
the
plans
or
opening
them
up..
I
mean
that
could
happen
for
other
reasons,
but
we're
not
proposing
to
do
that..
It's
just
a
matter
of
now.
Taking
these
off
the
shelf
zoning
districts
and
applying
it
to
the
actual
properties
in
the
village.
Consistent
with
the
already
community
driven
council
approved
village
plans.
B
G
G
G
G
G
For
everyone's
hard
work.,
we
know
these
are
privileges
have
been
super
challenging.
and
I
think
we're
finally
getting
our
arms
around
what
has
been
a
really
difficult
concept
to
implement
and
I
think
I'm
glad
to
see
this
moving
forward..
So
thanks
everybody.,
let's,
let's
vote.
yes.
alice
yes.
colin.
G
G
G
G
You
know,
health
and
human
services
ideas,
basically
one
storm
hour,
I'd
like
to
see
if
we
can
try
to
wrap
up
within
one
minute..
Could
you
complete
your
your
your
sediments
here?
yes,?
I
am.,
where
beekman
40
seconds
left
here.,
I'm
trying
to
speak
to
the
subject
that
how
are
you
willing,
to.
you're,
trying
your
darndest
to
want
to
address
the
ideas
of
defund?
G
Basically
in
the
next
year,
is
my
feeling
I'm
trying
to
describe.
I
don't
know
if
you're
going
to
foley
do
that,
but
I
think
you're
willing
to
and
you're
willing
to-
and
I
hope,
you're
wanting
to.
and
I
think
we
need
to
even
with
or
without
a
coming
natural
disaster
issues,.
I
think
that's
really
remarkable
of
yourselves.
and
I
hope
we
all
make
the
effort
to
want
to
consider
issues
of
defunding
the
next
week,
where
they're
going
to
confine
comments
two
to
one
minute
given
lateness
of
the
hour..
G
Say
one
minute,
my
my
my
concern
is
about
the
topic
of
mission,
specific
career
harbor..
The
process
is
getting
bogged
down
and
no
clear
side
of
the
recommendations
coming
forward
for
consideration
by
council.-
the
final
straw
last
night,
when
the
commission
actually
voted
to
appoint
closed
doors
subcommittees
without
first
taking
public
comment
on
a
motion
when
called
out
on
the
commission.-
the
city
clerk
opined
that
commissioners
could
come
to
new
and
take
their
vote,
followed
by
hearing
public
comment
and
maybe
reconsider
their
vote
as
appropriate.,
which
obviously
didn't
happen..
G
I'm
also
concerned
that
the
city
attorney's
representatives
expressed
multiple
opinions
on
the
braam
act
without
reference
to
government
code
or
existing
case
law,
and
I'm
therefore
requesting
that
the
council
reconsider
the
appointment
of
independent
counsel
to
the
commission
and
thank
you
and
good
night
and
thank
you
for
your
service.
thank
you,
ron..
G
My
name
is
mike
spadaro
and
I'm
an
eighth
grade
teacher
at
luther
burbank.
and
first
I
want
to
say
that
you
are
all
absolute
champions..
I
understand
you've
been
here
since
9:00
this
morning,,
something
like
that..
That
is
absolutely
insane..
We
teachers
self
you
know,
late
hours..
So
thank
you
very
much
for
that.
G
G
That
were
raised
were
recognized.,
so
I'm
doing
this
both
to
represent
our
school
luther,
burbank
and
seventh
say
in
district
14.,
mr.
peralez
district,
but
also
to
create
a
path
for
my
students
who
have
hands
raised
now
and
who
will
be
speaking..
So
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
stop
and
defer
to
my
eighth
grade
students,
who
will
be
speaking
after
me
with
hands
raised..
Thank
you,
again,
mr.
G
G
Jasmine,
tell
you
what,,
I'm
going
to
call
a
couple.
Other
folks.
there's
a
problem
with
your
software..
Apparently
we
won't
be
able
to
hear
you
right
now,
because
you've
got
an
old
version
of
zoom..
So
if
you
could
try
to
download
the
newest
version
and
I'll
call
in
a
couple
other
folks-
and
hopefully
you
can
get
your
hand
back
up
if
you
need.,
I'm
sorry.
she'd
call
it
photos
walesh,
you
call
by
phone
and
I'm
sorry
jazz
and
the
phone
number
is
area
code
for
h.