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From YouTube: JUN 21, 2022 | City Council Morning Session
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City of San José, California
City Council morning session of June 14, 2022
Pre-meeting citizen input on Agenda via eComment at https://sanjose.granicusideas.com/meetings.
This public meeting will be held at San José City Hall and also accessible via Zoom Webinar. For information on public participation via Zoom, please refer to the linked meeting agenda below.
Agenda https://sanjose.granicus.com/AgendaViewer.php?view_id=51&event_id=4682
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Okay,
we
got
a
quorum
here,
we
go.
Let's
start
if
you're
able
to
stand,
please
join
us
at
the
pledge
of
allegiance.
D
All
right,
today's
invocation
will
be
provided
by
mother,
maybe
hughes,
the
saint
prince
from
saint
francis
episcopal
church
council,
councilmember
davis,
will
tell
us
more
and
welcome
mother.
G
Mother
maley
provides
the
liturgical
and
spiritual
leadership
for
saint
francis
saint
francis
has
had
a
long
history
in
san
jose
with
the
first
service
at
willow,
glen
dating
back
to
1958.,
my
family,
and
I
attend
saint
francis,
and
I
can
confidently
say
that
mother
maylie
and
everyone
at
saint
francis
embody
the
welcoming
and
accepting
nature
of
san
jose.
Thank
you
for
coming
today,
mother
maylie.
Thank.
H
D
All
right,
let's
jump
into
our
ceremonial
items,
we
have
one
item
today
before
we
get
on
to
our
agenda.
Councilman
carrasco
will
help
us
recognize
and
command
silicon
valley,
cannabis
alliance.
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F
F
Marijuana
has
had
a
very
rocky
trajectory
and
up
until
its
legislation
in
2016,
with
proposition
64,
where
voters
made
it
very
clear
that
marijuana
would
no
longer
be
a
taboo
we've
come
a
long
way.
Baby
and
conversations
about
race
and
equity
were
even
less
heard
of
so
today
it
is
befitting
that
we
present
a
commendation
to
sean
kelly
ray
with
the
silicon
valley,
cannabis
alliance,
where
we
are
blending
these
two
conversations
about
race
and
equity
and
cannabis.
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A
little
bit
about
sean
sean
has
lived
in
california,
since
1975
graduated
from
santa
clara
university,
with
a
bs
in
economics,
is
a
licensed
california
real
estate
broker.
Since
1990
and
former
san
jose
mayor's
budget
and
policy
aid.
He
has
all
of
the
background,
experience
and
thick
skin
to
do
the
work
that
he
currently
does.
F
They
remain
socially
responsible
by
encouraging
the
local
cannabis
industry
to
keep
cannabis
away
from
those
under
the
age
of
19
at
under
the
age
of
21,
which
I
really
appreciate,
requesting
municipalities
to
spend
tax
dollars
on
cannabis,
education
and
engaging
in
socially
responsible
activities
focused
on
the
spirit
and
intent
of
proposition
64
of
criminal
records.
Expungements,
though
the
work
of
svca
pioneers
can
only
be
accomplished
with
our
support
and
commitment
to
expunging
records
and
providing
opportunities
for
people
of
color
to
own
businesses
and
generate
wealth.
F
I've
made
it
known
that
I'm
not
a
consumer
of
cannabis,
although
my
kiddos
sometimes
have
different
interpretations
because
I've
been
such
an
advocate
as
of
late
and
it's
a
joke
in
our
house,
they
often
refer
to
me
as
marijuana
maggie,
sometimes
cannabis,
corrosco,
but
all
joking
aside,
what
my
children
understand
is
that
I
am
a
staunch
supporter,
an
advocate,
because
I
want
I
want
to
right
this
wrong
and
make
sure
that
our
black
and
brown
and
asian
brothers
and
sisters
have
a
second
chance
and
have
opportunities
graciously
afforded
to
others.
F
We
should
all
be
champions
of
equity
in
this
industry,
because
the
policies
and
dialogues
we
engage
in
directly
link
to
remedying
the
damage
of
past
policies
that
have
majorly
affected.
Our
communities
of
color
specifically
are
black
and
latino
communities,
because
what
we've
seen
is
a
generation
of
disenfranchised
black
and
latino
communities,
ineligible
for
financial
aid,
haunted
by
a
criminal
record
paying
the
price
for
a
crime
that
others,
especially
today,
primarily
wealthy
white
counterparts,
are
making
huge
fortunes
the
same
acts
that
landed
others
in
jail,
sometimes
for
the
better
part
of
their
adult
lives.
F
Think
about
that
young
black
kid
that
brown
little
brother,
who
was
essentially
doing
the
same
thing
as
a
celebrity
as
their
classmate,
who
happened
to
live
in
a
different
census,
track
and
zip
code.
Their
lives
were
ruined
and
for
their
communities.
Recidivism
was
high
and
poverty
was
certain.
Today,
it's
a
different
story,
we're
writing
a
different
narrative.
We
have
the
power
to
be
responsible
to
be
safe
and
to
be
just,
we
can
seek
equity
and
right
this
historic
wrong,
and
here
we
stand
with
an
incredible
partner
in
this
crusade.
I
Thank
you
very
much
council
member
san
jose
city
council
members,
mayor
loccardo,
for
this
generous
recognition.
I
must
start-
and
I
think
we
all
owe
it
to
the
women
in
our
lives.
They
are
always
the
rock
that
is
always
behind
us.
Everyone
is
indebted
to
their
mother
and
I
am
indebted
to
my
wife,
who
is
really
the
heart
of
silicon
valley,
cannabis
alliance,
her
boundless
energy
and
mastery
of
everything
that
has
continued
to
move
this
organization
forward.
I
There's
a
lot
of
people
I
want
to
thank
so
I
asked
that
you
just
bear
with
me
victor
gomez,
who
was
a
co-founder
in
this
endeavor
former
mayor,
chuck
reed.
We
were
on
opposite
sides
at
some
times,
but
frankly
we
came
together
because
we
realized
that
cannabis
should
not
be
sold
on
the
streets.
It
should
be
sold
in
legal
dispensaries
under
cameras
with
security
officers
with
guidelines
paying
taxes
regulated
tested.
I
So
users
don't
have
negative
impacts
to
come
from
street
dealing,
and
I
think
the
the
san
jose
police
department
for
their
role
in
helping
shape
this
ordinance,
similar
to
the
one
that
they
did
with
gaming
and
creating
the
trade
restrictions.
San
jose
has
one
of
the
best
ordinances
in
the
state
when
the
state
actually
created
their
program,
they've
modeled
the
most
of
it
behind
san
jose,
and
that
was
a
lot
to
do
with
with
the
police
department
and
the
work
of
chuck
reed.
I
Recognition
is
due
for
for
some
strange
and
interesting
alliances,
oshkolra
and
pete
constant,
who
never
really
saw
eye
to
eye
on
much
other
than
perhaps
getting
a
beer,
but
on
cannabis
they
definitely
brought
their
personal
biases
aside
their
political
views
aside
and
collaborated
to
really
work
together
to
see
that
there
was
a
good
policy
put
in
place.
I
Finally,
the
council,
members
behind
you
and
those
that
are
on
virtually
who
really
made
sure
and
keep
us
accountable
every
day:
council,
member
carrasco,
mayor
licardo,
council
members,
foley
davis,
perales,
jimenez
and
esparza
the
support
of
congressman
roe,
khanna
state
senator
now
dave
cortezzi,
senator
jim
bell,
former
senator
jim
bell
and
and
thanks
to
all
their
efforts
during
the
covid
pandemic,
in
keeping
our
doors
open
and
keeping
safe
access
available.
I
Finally,
I
wouldn't
be
a
self-respecting
lobbyist.
I
didn't
take
the
opportunity
to
lobby
at
this
point,
and
that
is
this-
is
that
17.5
million
dollars
a
year
is
estimated
to
come
in
annually
from
cannabis
to
the
general
fund.
I
I
I'm
the
first
person
in
my
my
family
to
go
to
college
and
it
dramatically
changed
my
life.
My
father
left
india
when
he
was
17
when
his
father
died
to
go
work,
he
had
one
year
of
college
and
that's
all
he
had
so
college
is
so
important.
It
really
lifts
people
up,
and
the
only
thing
that
I'd
ask
is
that
the
council
and
the
mayor
consider
something
like
that
in
the
future.
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Okay,
we're
returning
to
the
agenda
on
orders
of
the
day.
Does
anyone
on
the
council
have
any
changes
to
the
printed
agenda?
There's
a
request
for
staff
to
continue
to
defer
for
one
week,
item
10.1
a
that's
a
consent
agenda
item
on
on
the
land
use
calendar,
that's
10.1,
a
learning
regarding
an
off
sale
permit!
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Great
under
the
closed
session
report
norm.
D
D
Sorry
to
fake
you
out
there
tony,
let's
go
to
the
public
first
to
see
if
there
are
any
comments
or
members
of
the
public
on
this
item.
I
remember
the
public
has
two
minutes
to
speak.
Okay,
I
see
none.
So
let's
go
back
to
the
council.
D
D
It
discusses-
and
I
guess,
there's
a
question
for
jim
the
10
million
dollars
that
we're
setting
aside
and
it
relates
to
dollars
that
it's
a
reflection
of
our
challenges,
getting
fema
approval
for
reimbursement.
D
Actually,
we
may
have
answered
this
one
fema
reimbursement
on
the
on
the
shelter
that
we
were
providing
the
non-congregate,
shelter
and
apparently
fema
told
us
a
city.
That's
a
county
responsibility,
so
we're
not
going
to
reimburse
you
did
I
get
that
right.
G
Yeah
mayor
this
is
jim,
jim,
shannon
city's
budget
director
yeah,
so
the
the
action
that
was
in
in
there
is
the
city
has
been
supporting
the
county's
efforts
to
provide
isolation
and
quarantine,
support
services
for
residents
in
san
or
san
jose
residents
into
motels
and
hotels,
who
can't
isolate
them
themselves,
and
so
I
I
you
know,
this
has
been
sort
of
a
ongoing
program
that
we've
been
involved
with
since
the
beginning
of
the
of
the
the
pen
of
the
pandemic.
G
A
number
of
the
services
that
are
provided
as
part
of
that
overall
service
are
reimbursable
by
fema,
but
there
are
some
that
are
our
that
are
not
so.
Some
of
the
financial
assistance
and
some
of
the
in-home
supportive
services
that
are
provided
by
the
county
is
not
fema
eligible
when
the
city,
initially,
you
know,
participated
in
this.
At
that
time,
we
thought
that
there
was
potentially
some
costs.
G
G
Subsequent
conversations
found
out
that
you
know
really
there's
a
portion
that
is
not
going
to
be
eligible
for
for
or
fema
and
those
are
the
costs
that
we
would
be
responsible
for
so
kind
of
goes
back
to
kind
of
what
our
original
sort
of
plan
plan
was
yeah.
So
when
we
set
aside
that
10
million
10
million
dollars,
that
was
in
anticipation
that
some
of
those
costs
would
not
be
eligible
for
for
fema.
This
being
one
of
the
big
ones.
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D
I
guess
if,
if
the
federal
government
says
hey,
this
is
a
county
responsibility.
I
guess
it
begs
the
question:
did
we
go
back
to
the
county
and
say
hey
county?
The
federal
government
told
us
it's
the
county
responsibility,
so
why
don't
you
reimburse
us
and
then
you
can
go
get
reimbursement
from
fema.
G
And
I
I
think
anybody
else
wants
to
chime
in.
I
think
what
the
what
cal
oes
is
saying
is
that
the
types
of
services,
the
the
full
array
of
the
type
of
services
that
is
being
provided
all
of
those
are
not
fema
eligible
regardless
if
the
county
provided
or
if
the
city
provided
it
so
all,
and
I
think
that's
where
the
discrepancy
lies.
So
I
think
the
in
some
of
the
in-home
supportive
services
and
the
financial
assistance
are
are
not
fema
eligible
at
all.
B
M
I
would
agree
with
jim
that's
my
understanding
of
it.
With
that
said,
we
do
have
additional
agreements
and
amendments
that
we're
working
on
right
now
with
the
county
related
to
this
program.
So
we
can
certainly
fine-tune
to
make
sure
that
we're
correct
in
that.
But
if,
if
the
interpretation
is
from
fema,
that
has
changed
that
this
is
more
of
a
county
responsibility,
we
absolutely
would
have
the
option
of
negotiating
with
the
county
for
them
to
bear
those
costs
through
reimbursement
and
then
have
us
pay
the
difference.
D
Okay,
I'm
just
trying
to
pull
up
the
portion
of
that
memo
now
to
make
sure
I'm
reading
it
right.
I
thought
that's
exactly
what
fema
did
say
is
that
we
won't
reimburse
you
because
you're
not
the
right
agency
to
be
providing
this
service
and
we
would
reimburse
the
county
if
the
county
was-
and
I
thought
I
saw
that
somewhere
early
on
in
pages
three
or
four-
and
let
me
see
if
I
can
pull
up
the
precise
part
of
the
memo.
G
Yeah,
I'm
also
looking
at
one
of
the
the
the
detailed
sort
of
write-up
that
we
have
there
I'll
I'll
go
back
to
the
first
one,
but
you
know
staff
a
little
snippet
here
says:
staff
has
concluded
the
city's
financial
participation
in
the
county's
isolation
and
quarantine,
support
program
to
pay
for
rental
and
financial
assistance
and
in-home
support
services
for
san
jose
residents
would
be
ineligible
for
fema
reimbursement.
G
D
Guess
it's
the
next
sentence
down
where
it
says
per
cal.
Oes,
I'm
sorry!
It's
not
fema!
It's
telling
us
it's
cal
oes!
For
yes,
the
county
has
the
sole
legal
intersectional
responsibility
for
non-congregate
sheltering.
Therefore
the
city
would
not
be
eligible
to
claim
any
of
those
costs
of
fema,
because
that's
where
I'm
getting
hung
up.
G
Yeah,
I
think
maybe
it's
maybe
in
our
flu,
where
I
think
there
are
two
or
two
components.
I
think
one
one
component
is
that
for
the
whole
program
the
county
is,
is
the
is
the
agency
that
would
submit
to
fema
for
the
cost
to
be
to
be
reimbursed,
and
so
I
think
that
that's
what
that's
trying
to
say
there.
So
the
city
wouldn't
really
be.
D
G
D
All
right,
I
clearly
invested
too
much
in
that
sentence.
Well,
yeah.
D
Okay,
thank
you,
jim
all,
right
is
there
a
motion
so
move.
K
D
C
D
I
just
one
question
for
clarification:
jim,
the
the
1.4
million-
I'm
sorry,
1.4
billion,
that's
established
as
the
gan
limit.
Inevitably
people
whenever
they
mention
gan,
they
say
well.
Your
general
fund
actually
exceeds
that
and
I
presume
that
the
same
state
rules
apply
with
regard
to
capital,
expenditures
and
so
forth.
Being
exempt.
Is
that
right.
G
Hi,
jim
jim,
shannon
city's
budget
director,
so
no
that
is
sort
of
a
variety
of
different
expenditures
are
eligible
under
the
gamma
limit,
not
just
the
general
funds.
Some
of
the
capital
expenditures
apply
also.
D
Okay,
I
won't
I'll
take
it
offline,
then
I
understand
this
gets
pretty
pretty
detailed
yeah.
D
Okay,
thank
you
all
right.
Let's
vote.
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D
All
right
item
3.6
is
the
city
san
jose
2022
tax
and
revenue
anticipation,
notes,
which
we've
affectionately
called
tran
notes.
There's
a
presentation
welcome
julia.
N
So
good
afternoon,
julia
cooper,
director
of
finance-
I
have
with
me
jim,
shannon
budget
director.
The
presentation
was
posted
extremely
late.
This
morning
I
apologize
for
that.
It's
been
rough,
trying
to
get
everything
together.
The
market's
really
been
moving
on
us
as
you're,
well
aware
that
the
that's
increased
the
borrowing
rate
by
75
basis
points
last
week,
so
hopefully
the
presentation
will
be
up
shortly.
N
So
each
year
we
work
closely
between
finance
and
the
budget
office
to
do
an
analysis
in
terms
of
the
discount
that
the
retirement
funds
offer
us
to
pre-fund
compared
to
the
cost
of
borrowing
the
lost
interest
earnings,
but
then
the
interest
earnings
that
we
also
receive
during
that
period
of
time.
So,
once
again,
we
determined,
even
with
the
15
haircut,
that
the
retirement
boards
placed
on
the
discount
rate
for
fiscal
year,
2023
pre-funding,
we
determined
it-
was
in
the
city's
best
interest
to
make
that
pre-funding
payment,
so
okay.
N
So
so
we
so
we're
close
we're.
Today
we
have
the
action
before
you
to
authorize
the
issuance
of
the
trans.
N
Can
you
can
you
take
it
back
to
slide
two
and
the
action
before
you
has
the
ability
to
issue
up
to
360
million
dollars
of
the
for
the
borrowing
which
is
about
85
percent
of
the
total
pre-funding
amount
of
421
million
dollars,
which
would
be
pre-funding
for
all
of
the
tier
one
contributions,
and
also
the
opeb
retiree
health
care
costs
so
and
we're
also
working
and
analyzing?
N
How
much
of
that
we
pre-fund
and
then
how
much
we
split
between
paying
it
repaying
the
tran
in
eight
months
in
february
and
12
months
in
june
of
next
year,
so
we
undertook
a
competitive
solicitation
for
banks
to
do
a
private
placement
like
we've
done
in
the
past,
and
bank
of
america
was
selected
through
that
competitive
process.
The
benefits
of
doing
a
private
placement
is,
we
don't
have
to
do
an
offering
document,
we
don't
have
to
provide
monthly
cash
flows
and
it
is
much
easier
and
less
document
intensive.
N
N
So
I
thought,
since
interest
rates
have
moved
quite
a
bit,
that
we
do
a
comparison
between
the
information
that
was
presented
in
the
may
24.
The
staff
report
that
you
have
before
you
today
at
that
point
in
time
for
an
eight
month
maturity,
the
interest
rate
was
just
over
two
just
under
two
percent,
and
the
credit
spread
from
the
bank
is
26
basis
points.
So
we
looked
at
an
all-in-borrowing
cost
of
a
220
and
for
12
months
they
are
all
in
borrowing
costs
of
a
253
with
that
credit
spread
at
27
basis
points.
N
We
have
some
cost
of
issuance,
so
we
still
is
expected
to
have
a
net
savings
of
just
over
10
million
dollars
and
compare
that
to
the
budgetary
savings
of
6.6
million.
We
still
were
exceeding
that
budgetary
savings
by
almost
3.6
million
dollars.
It's
important
to
note
these
budgetary
savings
are
across
all
the
funds
because
retirement
contributions
against
all
the
funds.
N
However,
since
that
time
as
you're
well
aware,
the
fed's
increased
interest
rates
and
we've
seen
a
corresponding
increase
in
the
cost
of
borrowing
by
nearly
a
hundred
basis
points.
So
the
eight
month
rate
as
of
last
friday,
would
have
been
a
279
credit
spread
remains
the
same,
so
all
in
borrowing
costs
a
little
over
three
percent
for
an
eight
month
and
then
a
312
for
the
interest
rate
on
the
12
month
with
the
credit
spread
and
then
a
total
indicative
rate
of
just
under
340..
N
So,
while
you
can
see
in
the
table
on
the
right
hand,
side,
we
still
have
significant
savings
to
the
city
and
above
the
budget
estimate.
So
it
obviously
makes
sense
to
continue
to
proceed.
But,
as
you
can
see,
the
cost
of
borrowing
is
much
higher
about
a
million
dollars
more
than
it
was
just
a
month
ago.
N
So
we're
moving
forward
with
your
approval.
Today
we
have
calls
scheduled
with
the
bank
but
we'll
rate
lock
on
june
29th
and
determine
the
maturity
between
8
and
12
months.
We'll
close
the
deal
on
july
1st,
in
which
we
move
a
tremendous
amount
of
money
between
the
bank
and
the
retirement
plans,
421
million
dollars
and
then
with
the
final
maturity
of
the
trends,
will
be
at
least
a
portion
of
it
on
june
30th.
N
So
the
recommendations
today
are
for
the
council
to
approve
the
issuance
of
up
to
360
million,
approving
the
documents
associated
with
that
and
then
also
to
take
some
appropriation
and
funding
resolution
amendments
recognizing
up
to
the
360
million
and
then
at
annual
report
time,
we'll
clean
up
with
what
the
actual
actual
the
actual
actions
were
and
the
rates
that
we
paid.
So
with
that
we're
available
for
questions.
D
M
D
All
right,
it's
a
motion,
I'm
sorry
to
keep
butting
in
with
questions,
but
but
this
one
is
bit
of
a
departure
from
our
traditional
user
transfer.
Clearly
doubling
down
on
this
approach
just
in
terms
of
the
quantity
and
seeing
us
go
much
above
100
million
before
jerry
as
we
look
at
that
slide
that
describes
the
savings,
the
jennifer.
If
we
could
go
back
to
that
slide,.
D
D
Yeah,
the
if
you
just
look
at
the
prepayment
savings
of
11.5
million,
that
is
contingent
on
some
assumptions
right
and
one
of
those
assumptions
is
around
the
funds.
Achieving
the
discount
rate
in
terms
of
the
rate
of
return
is
that
is
that
fair.
N
Yes,
so
that
that
would
the
so
that
number
comes
from
the
retirement
board,
so
they
do
a
calculation.
If
we
continue
to
pay,
if
we
were
to
pay
biweekly
just
like
with
every
payroll
what
that
would
cost,
and
then
they
do
a
discount
back
if
we
pay
it
all
on
july
1st
and
they
took
the
discount
rate
six
and
five
eights
reduced
it
by
15,
and
then
that's
the
amount
of
the
discount
that
they
did
and
calculated
how
much
we
would
owe
them
on
july
1st.
N
So,
yes,
it
does
make
the
assumption
they've
discounted
it.
So,
theoretically,
they
I'm
assuming
less
than
the
rate
of
return
right.
Only
85
percent
versus
100
of
their
of
their
discount
of
six
and
five-eighths
and.
D
If,
instead,
the
market
tumbles,
can
you
give
us
a
sense
of
what
the
range
is
of
savings
or
whether
ultimately
becomes
negative.
N
B
D
N
Is
significant
so
so
another
way
to
look
at
it
is
we
still
owe
the
bill,
no
matter
what
yeah
so
so,
to
the
extent
that
they're
going
to
give
us
a
you
know,
essentially
a
benefit
of
pre-paying.
N
You
know
it.
You
can
just
if
we
were
to
pay
on
a
bi-weekly
basis
and
they
didn't
meet
their
rate
of
return.
Maybe
it's
a
little
bit
less
on
an
actuarial
basis,
but
I
don't
think
it's
enough
to
move
the
needle,
because
it's
like
the
dollar
cost
averaging.
You
know
in
terms
of
them
getting
it
bi-weekly
as
opposed
to
one
lump
sum.
D
Yeah-
and
I
guess
that's
that's
the
question
in
my
mind,
which
is
like
we've
gone
through
a
pretty
rough
period
in
the
market,
and
we
may
not
have
finished
that
ride
right.
We
tumbled
more
than
20
percent
equities,
you
know,
could
be
40
by
the
time
we're
done
it
might
might
suddenly
rebound.
We
don't
know,
but
I
guess
the
question
would
be
if
instead
they
had
direction
to
hey
dollar
cost
average
and
how
you're
going
to
invest
and
invest
a
proportionate
share
every
month.
D
So
that
way,
when
the
market
tanks,
we
can
hedge
our
losses
in
some
way
down
the
road.
With,
with
the
impacts
on
unfunded
liabilities,
can
I
just
ask:
have
we
we
sort
of
done
the
sensitivity,
analysis
or
or
talked
to
them
about
hey
when
market's
looking
particularly
volatile?
Maybe
we
should
pull
back
a
little
bit.
D
Is
it
possible
that
they're
financial
folks
could
do
a
relatively
a
quick
and
dirty
analysis
on
what
that
looks
like
in
this
fiscal
year?
I'm
not
asking
to
hold
this
thing
off.
I
understand
you
need
us
to
move
forward,
but
my
concern
is
both
the
timing
in
the
market,
and
I
know
we
can
never
market
time.
N
Yeah
I
mean,
I
guess
the
also
way
to
look
at
it
is
the
pre-the
total
pre-funding
amount
is
421
million
dollars,
so
we're
just
trying
to
make
the
determination
right
at
this
point
between
how
much
we're
going
to
borrow
and
how
much
cash
we're
going
to
use
as
cash
and
taking
into
account
you
know
our
cash
balance
tends
to
dip
as
we
get
into
the
latter
part
of
the
calendar
year.
So
we
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we
have
enough
cash
on
hand
that
we're
not
dipping
negative
right
right.
N
So
so
the
total
bill
that
we
owe
them
is
421
million
dollars
right.
So
so
the
borrowing
is
really
on
our
end.
In
terms
of
trying
to
determine
you
know
how
much
I
mean
we,
we
don't
have
enough
cash
to
pre-fund
the
whole.
D
Thing
with
you
yeah,
I
understand
we're
going
to
need
tran
notes,
no
matter
what
right
totally
understand
that
I
guess
the
question
is
whether
we'd
ever
want
given
the
fact
that
we're
the
ones
who
are
on
the
hook
for
that
unfunded
liability,
not
the
funds,
would
we
ever
want
to
condition
our
borrowing
on
some
kind
of
arrangement
with
the
boards
that
say
look.
This
is
how
we
want
you
to
actually
enter
the
market
to
hedge
on,
on
the
risk
to
the
city.
B
N
G
Mayor,
I
just
want
to
jump
in
as
the
liaison
for
the
federated
board
part
of
the
reason
that
they
like
they,
that
they
give
us
the
haircut
is
they
they
don't,
invest
the
money
as
soon
as
it
comes
in
when
it
comes
in
in
a
lump
sum.
So
so
they
keep
some
of
it
in
cash.
They
do
the
dollar
cost
averaging
as
a
matter
of
course
they
don't
just
take
in
the.
However
many
hundreds
of
millions
of
dollars
it
is
and
then
just
invest
it
on
any
given
day.
G
So
I
just
want
to
be
clear
about
that
and
we
we
can
have
a
presentation
or
an
info
memo
from
roberto,
probably
to
or
prabhu
to
talk
about
how
how
they
handle
that
cash.
If
that
would
be
helpful
to
you,.
D
Thank
you
councilmember.
I
guess
it
would
be
helpful
to
have
that
conversation,
whether
it's
through
an
email
or
memo
presentation,
whatever
I'm
I'm
open
to
whatever
works.
I
just
think
that
we
are
really
more
than
doubling
down
on
this
approach
with
trend
notes
and
that
I'm
just
concerned
about
like
to
understand
better
how
how
the
dollars
actually
move
when
they
get
to
them
sure.
G
Totally,
I
will,
I
will
happily
relay
that
message
as
well
and
I
I'm
sure
julia
will
will
too
but
I'll
happily
relay
that
message,
because
I
know
they
don't
just
take
a
big
chunk
of
cash
and
you
know
put
it
in
a
meeting.
We're.
G
O
G
P
And
first
this
I
know
we
have
historically
had
joint
meetings
with
the
retirement
boards.
I
don't
know
if
we're
doing
that
this
year,
but
this
might
be
a
topic.
We
want
to
include
it
as
a
an
item
that
we
want
to
discuss
jointly
with
them.
If
that's
a
possibility,
I'll
just
throw
that
out
there
as
the
representative
to
the
police
and
fire
retirement
board,
I
do
have
a
question
for
julia
julia.
P
Can
you
throw
up
the
slide
regarding
the
interest
rates
and
the
market
is
very
volatile,
although
it's
up
today,
so
at
least
it's
up
at
the
moment,
I'm
wondering
the
authorization
authorization
you
seek
today.
P
N
We
expect
rates
to
hold
within
this
band
through
the
end
of
june
and
don'ts,
and
don't
anticipate
the
market
to
be
pricing
in
the
fed
action
at
the
end
of
july,
until
sometime,
probably
after
the
fourth
of
july
holiday,
which
is
after
we're
out
of
the
market.
So
so,
based
on
our
conversations
with
our
municipal
advisor
and
the
bank
bank
of
america.
N
H
P
So
in
the
mortgage
business
I'm
getting
updates
daily
about
interest
rates
going
up
as
it
relates
to
residential
real
estate
loans.
So
hopefully
we
won't
be
seeing
that
as
the
bond
market
moves
around
in
the
next
week
or
so,
but
the
the
authorization
you're
seeking
today
regarding
the
eight
months
and
the
12
months,
is
that
will?
Will
you
make
the
determination
or
would
you
want
us
to
make
the
determination
to
choose
eight
month
or
12
months,
or
you
want
the
flexibility
to
make
that
decision.
D
Thank
you,
councilmember,
any
other
comments
or
questions.
N
D
Like
a
good
idea,
okay,
thank
you.
I
don't
think
the
rates
are
going
to
get
any
better.
Okay,
we
we
have
a
motion,
don't
we.
C
C
B
D
J
Thank
you.
We
had
questions
when
this
item
came
to
rules
and
and
while
I'm
supportive.
Overall,
I
wanted
to
know
from
nora
if
you
were
able
to
better
define
the
predatory,
criminal
behavior.
L
We
have
looked
at
penal
code,
definitions
of
predatory
and
they
all
revolve
around
sexual
assaults
that
that
we
were
able
to
find,
and
so
my
I
think
our
intention
in
working
with
the
independent
police
auditor
is
to
interpret
that
term
broadly
in
the
context
of
the
mayor's
memo
and
the
types
of
criminal
concerns
involving
employees,
so
that
it
wouldn't
just
be
related
to
sexual
assault.
But
it
would
also
be
serious
criminal
allegations
so
that
that
was
our
intention
in
in
when
we
bring
this
back
to
council.
J
Great
and
so
I'm
glad
to
hear
that
you're
gonna
broaden
that
definition
of
predatory
criminal,
behavior
and
then
the
the
second
question
as
a
follow-up
is
what
is,
what
is
predatory,
so
is
one
crime
constitute
predatory
criminal,
behavior.
L
We
haven't
gotten
that
far
in
an
analysis
yet,
but
when
we
bring
this
back,
we
will
provide
the
council
in
working
with
the
independent
police
auditor
our
recommendations
with
respect
to
how
this
should
work
moving
forward
and
obviously.
L
Serious
crimes,
maybe
something
that
we
look
at
differently.
That's
then
something
that's
less
serious,
but
we
will
be
providing
recommendations
to
the
council
for
your
consideration
when
we
have
the
opportunity
to
bring
this
back.
J
Great
thank
you.
I
I
did
express
my
concern
about
one
one
serious
if
it's
a
serious
crime
and
one
and
to
be
found
or
to
have
allegations
against
an
employee
with
a
serious
crime
for
me
is,
is
very
concerning,
and
I
know
that
you're
going
to
do
further
research
on
defining
that
definition.
J
I
I
just
think
that
if
we
could
learn
from
what
we've
already
experienced-
and
that's
part
of
also
looking
at
some
of
the
folks
that
that
have
had
some
previous
allegations
like
william
jerry
who's,
there's
the
the
codens
enforcement
inspector,
as
well
as
matthew,
dominguez
officer,
matthew
dominguez,
who
exposed
himself
in
a
home
both
had
a
previous
allegation,
and
I
hope
that
as
we
go
as
we
move
through
this,
that
we
take
sexual
assault,
gender-based
violence
crimes
extremely
seriously.
J
As
we
saw
not,
I
think,
even
a
week
ago,
with
the
murder
suicide
that
happened
in
in
our
city,
and
so
we
we
need
to
begin
to
take
these
red
flags
as
seriously
as
we
can,
and
so
when
we,
when
you
return
to
us,
I
hope
that
we
will
make
sure
that
we
mark
sexual
assault
crimes
as
as
a
serious
crime
and
and
and
heed
the
those
concerns
and
those
red
flags
that
we've
seen
in
in
previous
employees.
J
So
those
were
my
questions.
Those
are
my
comments
and
I'll
I'll
make
a
motion
to
approve.
L
Thank
you,
council,
member
and
mayor.
I
had
one
other
second.
L
You
I
I
also
wanted
to
indicate
it
looked
like
jennifer
may
have
been
ready
to
make
a
comment
also
for
the
non
police
employees
we'll
be
working
with
the
city
manager
in
in
addressing
those
items.
She's
done
her
memo
and
report,
but
that
again
is
also
focused
primarily
on
the
police
department,
but
also
could
apply
generally,
and
we
will
work
with
her
also
addressing
the
concerns
that
you've
raised.
Council,
member
and
other
council
members
have
raised
too.
Thank
you,
yeah.
D
D
Okay,
great
thank
you.
Jennifer.
Q
Yes,
thank
you,
councilmember
uranus,
so
just
to
be
clear
on
this.
This
piece
of
the
referral
in
the
event
that
a
criminal
allegation
is
made
against
an
employee
that
is
credible.
Q
We've
at
this
juncture
have
defined
that
if
it
impacts
the
safety
or
financial
health
of
the
community
or
other
city
employees
and
we're
saying
examples
include,
but
are
not
limited
to
alleged
sexual
misconduct,
assault
or
battery
and
theft
or
bribery.
So
that's
our
the
overarching
examples
that
we've
included
in
this
and
we've
updated
our
administrative
leave
policy,
our
investigation
and
principles
policy,
the
police
department's
duty
manual
in
the
internal
affairs
unit
guidelines
exactly
as
you've
indicated
because
we've
you
know
learning
from
the
past
and
how
we
apply
forward.
Q
J
D
And
I
I
just
thought
it
sure.
First,
I
appreciate
the
city
manager
moving
so
quickly
to
respond
to
the
memorandum
that
that
I
wrote
and
that
the
rules
committee
approved.
I
I
think
the
definition
that
jennifer
articulate
is
one
that's
consistent
with
my
intent.
When
I
use
the
term
predatory,
I
you
know,
I
don't
think
that
predatory
crime
is,
for
example,
consensual
crime
like
drug
dealing,
for
example.
D
I
do
think
it's
anything
that
involves
that
that's
that's
non-consensual
with
an
identifiable
victim,
and
so
I
would
distinguish,
for
example,
elder
fraud
from
from
cheating
on
taxes,
I
think
there's
there's
clearly
a
difference
in
terms
of
how
you
identify
victims
and
who's
most
directly
affected.
So
anyway,
I
I
do
agree
with
the
approach
that's
taken
by
the
state
manager
and
by
the
city
attorney.
D
D
Okay,
let's
vote
then
on
council
member
iranian
motion,
jimenez.
O
C
D
Q
Q
I
want
to
tell
you
just
a
quick
little
bit
about
omar
and
you'll
get
to
know
him
over
his
time
here,
which
we
hope
to
be
very
long.
Omar's
career
spans
more
than
20
years
in
public
service,
with
an
extensive
background
in
public
health,
land
use
and
housing,
notably,
he
laid
the
foundation
for
and
served
as
the
director
of
san,
diego
county's
department
of
homeless
solutions
and
equitable
communities
which
align
dozens
of
county
departments,
cities,
non-profit
organizations,
philanthropic
entities,
businesses
organized
labor
and
community
residents
to
focus
on
preventing
and
ending
homelessness.
Q
He
received
his
juris
doctor
degree
from
george
mason
university
school
of
law
in
arlington
virginia
as
deputy
city
manager.
Passions
will
play
a
leadership
role
on
two
of
the
city's
enterprise
priorities,
ending
homelessness
and
clean,
vibrant
and
inclusive
neighborhood
and
public
life,
which
includes
the
following
portfolio:
portfolio,
homelessness,
issues,
beautify
san
jose
initiative,
code
enforcement
and
the
vehicle
abatement
program,
among
other
assignments.
So
basically,
all
of
our
quality
of
life
work
in
san
jose
with
omar's
passion
for
the
community
through
his
professional
and
personal
endeavors.
Q
D
D
Okay
item
3.5
our
approval
of
agreements
that
we
have
with
many
of
our
bargaining
units
for
the
next
fiscal
year.
There's
no
presentation
here!
C
D
M
C
M
D
D
Okay,
we'll
do
that.
Then,
let's
take
up
item
4.1,
the
military
equipment
use
policy
for
the
police
department.
We
have
a
presentation,
welcome
chief
and
team.
B
Morning,
mayor
city
manager,
city,
council,
chief
of
police,
tony
mata,
here,
I'm
here
with
assistant
chief
paul
joseph,
who
runs
the
operations
department
along
with
me
and
captain
steve
legorio,
who
is
the
overseas
the
special
operations
units
who
primarily
use
this
type
of
equipment?
B
We're
here
to
present
to
you,
the
military
use
policy
and
the
adoption
and
the
adoption
recommendation
for
adoption
of
the
ordinance
before
the
presentation
I'll
just
like
to
to
state
that
the
the
use
of
this
equipment
is
used
in
extremely
dangerous
situations
to
protect
not
only
our
community
but
also
the
officers
to
safely
resolve
these
situations
and
as
a
result
of
ab481
that
was
passed
in
september
of
21.
B
R
Greetings,
thank
you.
Chief
greetings
to
mayor
council,
city
manager,
staff
and
the
audience.
I
am
captain
steve
gorio,
with
special
operations.
Division
with
us
today.
I'll
do
some
introductions.
We
have
sergeant
morris
with
the
merge
unit
sergeant
anderson
with
he's
in
our
visa
unit
currently,
but
he's
also
worked
bomb
and
merge.
We
have
lieutenant
zuniga
who
is
assigned
to
reset
metro
street
crimes,
he's
also
in
charge
of
our
command
vehicles
and
licensing
of
drivers.
R
So
brief
history,
this
ab
assembly
bill
41,
was
passed
at
the
end
of
last
year.
In
january
2022
it
was
codified
as
government
code
770
in
january
of
2022.
We
completed
our
inventory.
We
did
that
early,
so
it
would
help
us
guide
us.
Through
the
actual
policy
creation
may
2022.
The
guidelines
were
completed,
had
gone
through
r
d
and
also
city
attorney
may
2022.
The
guidelines
were
posted
and
public
notification.
R
Some
quick
definitions
governing
body
is
you
all
here,
city,
council
law
enforcement
agency
is
san
jose
police
department,
military
equipment,
as
we
move
forward,
you'll
see
what
it
actually
is
defined
by
the
law
and
the
use
policy
which
we've
posted.
R
Military
equipment-
and
this
is
abbreviated
definitions,
number
one-
is
uavs
or
drones,
and
also
ground
remote
vehicles,
which
are
typically
used
by
our
bomb
unit
and
the
merge
unit.
R
Category
number
two
is
mrapps
or
armored
personnel
carriers.
Number
three
is
humvees
or
hummers
as
more
commonly
defined
and
bearcats
vehicles
of
that
size
that
are
armored.
Typically
heavy
duty
vehicles
number
four
tracked
armored
vehicles.
R
We
do
have
a
request
for
one
of
these,
but
typically,
and
what
this
military
equipment
is
really
talking
about
is
things
we
don't
have,
such
as
armored
personnel
carrier
or
a
tank.
The
reason
that's
on
there
is,
if
somebody
were
to
acquire
that
from
the
1033
program.
We
don't
have
any
of
those
vehicles
of
that
magnitude,
command
and
control
vehicles
which
are
basically
command
vans.
R
Weaponized
aircraft
are
vehicles,
we
have
none
number
seven
is
explosive
rams
or
breaching
tools,
number
eight
50,
caliber
or
greater
farm.
We
have
none
number.
Nine
is
the
ammunition
for
those
weapons.
We
have
none
number
10
specialized
firearms
and
assault
weapons,
number
11,
explosive,
projectile,
launchers,
number,
12,
flashbangs,
tear
gas
and
pepper
balls.
R
R
This
next
slide.
This
is
a
typical
equipment
that
we
probably
associated
with
military
equipment
in
the
past.
What
you're
looking
at
here
is
a
mrap
and
a
humvee
vehicles
like
this
are
acquired
through
the
leso,
which
is
also
known
as
the
law
enforcement
support
office,
more
commonly
known
as
the
1033
program.
R
R
Policy
topics:
this
is
pulled
straight
out
of
law,
the
requirements
that
need
to
be
in
the
policies,
description,
quantity
capabilities,
life
span,
number
two
purpose
and
authorized
uses
number
three
fiscal
impact,
initial
cost
estimated
annual
cost
number.
Four
legal
and
procedural
rules,
number
five
training
for
use;
number,
six
oversight
and
mechanism
to
ensure
compliance
with
this
policy;
number
seven
means
by
which
to
register
complaints,
concerns
or
questions,
including
timely
response
and
number
eight
future
items
to
be
sought.
R
These
are
the
policy
topics
that
are
loud
laid
out
by
the
law.
There
is
no
set
format,
so
our
format
is
what
we
came
up
with.
There's
many
different
versions
out
there
with
all
the
different
agencies
complying
with
the
past
couple
months.
Again,
our
format
is
what
we
came
up
with.
The
state
did
not
provide
a
template
for
the
policy.
R
Current
requests,
I
I
did
a
current
request.
More
of
a
is
a
to
get
ahead
of
the
game,
and
forecasting
at
future
asks
the
first
one
is
a
medcat
which
is
basically
a
bearcat
vehicle
made
by
lenco
this
particular
model.
We
currently
have
two
in
our
inventory,
but
this
one
is
different
because
it's
a
it's
got.
Medical
capabilities.
R
First
question
is:
why
do
we
need
a
third
bearcat?
Well,
I
can
tell
you:
in
the
past
six
months,
we've
had
three
critical
incidents
that
have
involved
persons
with
firearms,
and
we
know
we're
taking
a
lot
of
firearms
off
the
street,
as
a
chief
has
spoken
to
in
the
past
couple
months,
we're
averaging
one
firearm,
every
12
hours,
which
is,
which
is
a
large
amount
of
firearms
in
the
past
six
months.
R
Those
calls
we've
had
to
request
secondary
support
from
the
sheriff's
office
to
get
a
third
bearcat
or
armor
really
just
to
get
cover
behind
to
protect
the
officers
which
is
really
a
de-escalation
in
the
long
term,
because
if
the
officer
is
protected,
they're
not
going
to
be
required
to
you
know,
meet
force
with
force,
and
we
can
continue
to
de-escalate
and
make
contact
and
try
to
have
a
peaceful
resolution.
R
R
This
would
be
a
good
cornerstone
for
that.
We
currently
have
six
emts.
We
have
more
in
the
pipeline,
we'll
probably
have
12
within
the
next
couple
months
that
are
all
naturally
registered
with
the
vehicle
like
this
we're
able
to
go
into
the
hot
zones
with
our
tactical
emts
or,
as
you
know,
we
have
the
fire
department
that
does
a
rescue
task
force
and
I
know
they
received
a
grant
recently
to
for
body
armor.
We
can
get
them
into
the
into
this
particular
vehicle
again
that
has
metal
medical
supplies.
R
R
R
Looking
at
the
one
picture
there,
it's
got
a
big
grappling
claw
on
the
front,
a
lot
of
times
on
critical
incidences,
and
we
had
one
last
night
where
we
have
to
put
ourselves
in
harm's
way
to
break
windows,
to
see
what's
going
on
inside,
to
introduce
tear
gas,
maybe
to
make
entry,
not
knock
the
front
door
down
this
tool,
which
is
fully
armored,
gives
the
operator
a
chance
to
move
up
close
to
a
house
or
any
threat
that
we're
dealing
with
and
safely
immobilize
vehicles
knock
down
a
door
break
a
window,
so
we
can
see
what's
going
on
inside
again,
it's
a
de-escalation
and
I
use
that
term
and
people
look
at
this
rook
and
think
it's
very
offensive
and
a
little
scary.
R
R
R
R
Again,
that's
a
capability
gap
that
is
there
we're
frequently
asking
for
the
sheriff's
office
bearcat,
which
takes
time
to
get
it
there,
and
it's
there's
also
a
regional
asset,
we're
now
taking
it
from
all
the
other
counties
or
cities
within
this
county.
R
Next
steps
policy
approval,
followed
by
use
tracking,
which
we're
ready
to
move
forward
with
ongoing
inventory
and
annual
reporting.
D
Thank
you
kevin
gloria,
all
right,
let's
go
to
the
public
first.
B
B
D
D
B
B
B
Have
it
it's
a
question
of
when
and
in
what
circumstances
it's
used,
and,
unfortunately,
a
lot
of
the
policies,
including
the
underlying
policy
manual,
the
duty
manual,
don't
articulate
clearly
when
it
is
okay
to
use
some
of
this
equipment
and
when
it
is
not
particularly,
I
want
to
draw
your
attention
to
the
so-called
less
lethals
chemical
agents
and
impact
projectiles
and
launchers,
which,
in
addition
to
being
governed
by
ab41
or
governed
by
another
new
state
law,
ab48,
which
severely
restricts,
significantly
restricts
the
use
for
crowd
control
of
these
weapons.
B
B
So
I
highly
recommend
that
you
bring
this
back
to
the
department.
I
also
want
to
raise
one
other
question
about
the
rook,
which
you
just
saw
a
picture
of
a
small
plastic
model
of
it,
but
is
it
only
restricted
in
use
when
a
subject
is
threatening
with
firearms
or
are
there?
Is
it
on?
Is
there
any
limits
on
use?
Besides
the
kind
of
situation
that
the
officer
described
to
you?
That's
really
what's
on
the
table
is
the
use
policy,
and
I
hope
you
will
ask
questions
and
consider
that.
Thank
you.
D
Back
to
council,
okay,
are
there
any
questions
from
my
colleagues?
First,
I
don't
see
any
so
I'll.
Just
raise
a
couple
myself.
You
know
building
a
bit
on
the
the
comment
made
by
the
member
of
the
public,
I'm
I'm
not
concerned
by
the
decisions
the
department's
made
about
which
tools
to
use,
because
I
think,
compared
to
other
large
cities.
I
think
we
have
a
very,
very
limited
use
of
these
various
instruments
and,
as
you
mentioned,
captain
glorio.
D
D
R
R
So
things
we
don't
have
that's
on
this
list
from
the
from
the
categories
of
military
equipment,
so
tracked,
armored
vehicle
the
rook
qualifies
for
that
because
it
has
tracks
to
move.
It
could
very
well
come
on
four
tires
as
they
were
traditionally
made.
But
again
we
don't
have
any
of
those,
and
you
know
in
the
past
you're
talking
about
an
armored
personnel
carrier
or
a
tank.
R
You
know
I
can't
get
into
the
mind
of
the
person
that
wrote
the
legislation,
but
I
think
that's
what
they're
trying
to
prevent
and
we
don't
have
any
of
those
big,
really
military
type.
You
know
vehicles
right,
number,
six,
weaponized
aircraft
or
vehicles.
We
don't
have
those
number
eight
is
50
caliber
or
greater
firearm.
So
you're
talking
like
a
barrett
rifle
a
big
50
caliber,
we
don't
have
those.
Nor
do
we
have
number
nine,
which
is
the
ammunition
for
them.
D
Okay,
so
thank
you
for
that,
but
but
obviously
the
use
of
these
items
is
critically
important
and
the
rules
around
their
use-
and
I
know
some
of
those
are
in
the
police
duty
manual
and
so
forth.
Let
me
just
draw
one
out
in
particular:
that's
the
lrad,
which
I
think
we
all
agree
is
an
important
tool
for
a
police
department
have
and
for
any
city
to
have
we.
D
You
know
during
a
flood,
for
example,
during
any
emergency
situation,
where
we
need
to
communicate
across
a
very
broad
area
to
people
in
a
time
of
peril,
but
we've
seen,
for
example,
in
new
york,
where
the
qualified
office
immunity
of
the
officers
was
actually.
D
It
was
a
means
to
disperse
a
crowd
with
a
very
uncomfortable,
very
high,
pitched
sound,
and
so
I
think
that's
just
an
example
where
I
I
looked
at
that
I
looked
at
the
report
described
what
they
are
on
pages,
I
guess
on
page
24.
and
then
we
have
some
specific
lrads
and
the
making
models
on
20
and
76
and
77.
D
I
could
be
wrong,
but
I
didn't
see
anything
that
constrained
us
that
says:
hey
officers,
you
can't
use
this
tool
in
a
way
or
you're,
just
emitting
a
high-pitched
sound,
that's
going
to
cause
permanent
hearing
loss,
you
know
so
so.
Can
you
help
me
that
where
is
it?
Where
is
the
limit?
Is
it
in
another
document?
Is
it
in
a
policy
manual?
Where
do
we
get
those
limitations.
O
Yeah
mayor
carlos
paul
joseph
assistant,
chief
of
police,
you
know
I
would.
I
would
agree
with
you
that
it's
not
the
item
itself.
That's
of
concern,
it's
how
we
would
use
such
an
item-
and
you
know
in
the
case
of
the
of
of
all
of
these
items
there
are.
I
would
actually
disagree
with
the
public
commenter
that
there
are
specific
occasions
and
and
use
circumstances
for
all
these
things.
The
lrad
in
particular,
it's
a
newer
device
that
we've
been
used
that
we've
been
using
and
primarily
it's
used
at
a
tactical
call
out.
O
It's
used
to.
We
have
a
couple
different
ways
to
communicate
with
somebody
who's
barricaded
in
the
structure
and
doesn't
doesn't
wish
to
speak
to
us.
One
is
breaking
a
window
and
throwing
in
a
throw
phone
which,
as
captain
mcgregor
pointed
out,
is
pretty
tricky
stuff
right.
The
other
is
using
this
loud
device
to
ensure
that
the
message
that
we're
trying
to
get
across
is
heard
right
and
that's
primarily
the
way
in
which
it's
used.
O
The
the
I'm
not
familiar
with
a
particular
incident
in
new
york
that
you're
describing,
but
that's
not
something
that
we
envision
using
it.
For
and
if
we
need
to
flesh
out
our
policy
to
specifically
restrict
you
know,
close
contact
high
decibel
sound,
we
can
certainly
do
that.
I.
D
I
I
would
appreciate
that
I
think
the
public
would
appreciate
that.
I
I
I
I
I
appreciate
that
you
read
the
description
in
in
the
in
the
policy
document,
but
the
description
is
different
from
a
limitation,
a
limitation
says:
thou
shall
not
right,
and
it's
really
important
for
the
police
department
to
prescribe
what
exactly
it's
not
going
to
do,
particularly
with
these
kinds
of
instruments,
because,
obviously
we
know
there
is
heightened
public
concern
and
yes,
there
have
been
abuses
in
other
departments.
D
I
haven't
seen
that
in
our
department,
although
obviously
we
have
a
very
different
view
on
on
the
use
of
of
rubber
bullet,
but
I
I
think
that
it
is
really
important
if
we
are
saying
that
this
is
a
document,
it's
about
limiting,
how
we're
going
to
use
it
that
we
actually
explicitly
say
what
these
limitations
are,
particularly
since,
for
example,
in
the
lrad
context.
D
D
Can
I
ask
in
terms
of
how
that
gets
actualized?
Is
there
an
opportunity,
maybe
to
bring
this
back
to
council
at
some
point,
to
talk
about
explicitly
what
those
some
of
those
limitations
might
be.
O
Yes,
so
again,
I
would
you
know
just
in
looking
at
this
list.
Each
one
of
these
items
has
some
pretty
specific
use
limitations
in
particular
like
the
drone
program,
for
instance,
that
was
you
know
it.
These
are
new
areas.
These
are
areas
of
where
we're
able
to
leverage
technology
for
the
safety
of
the
community
and
the
safety
of
our
employees,
and-
and
you
know,
as
we
introduce
new
methodology
and
new
techniques
and
new
equipment,
it
does
get
a
tremendous
amount
of
scrutiny,
and
I
would
say
that
you
know
this.
O
This
may
be
one
item
where
the
specifics
of
how
exactly
we're
going
to
use
it,
even
if,
in
practice
we've
been
using
it
in
a
way
that
you
know
in
which
it's
intended
and
which
doesn't
seem
to
cause
controversy,
but
be
more
explicit,
we
can
certainly
come
back
and
delineate
that.
D
That'd
be
helpful,
thank
you
paul.
I
think
it
would.
You
know,
as
we
continue
to
work
on
on
developing
the
trust
in
the
community.
I
think
it
would
just
be
helpful.
Thank
you.
Councilman
cohen,.
B
Yeah,
thank
you
just
a
couple
questions
for
you.
Do
we
have
procedures
are
sharing
agreements
in
place
with
neighboring
jurisdictions
on
some
of
this
equipment,
so
are
there
jurisdictions
around
us
that
have
it,
and
when
we
have
the
rare
instance
where
we
need
them,
we
might
utilize
what
they
have
or
if
we
had
one
we
would
share
with
them.
R
So
you
know
we
always
have
just
mutual
aid
doctrine
that
we
can
fall
under,
but
you
know
770
has
some
stipulations
in
there
talking
about
military
equipment
in
general,
we
need
to
have
our
own
policies
in
place.
Other
agencies
when
they
come
and
help
us
they
need
to
have
their
own
policies
in
place,
but
when
they
come
into
our
our
city,
their
policies
can't
supersede
ours,
meaning
they
need
to
use
their
military
equipment
appropriately.
Under
our
policy.
E
Warren
councilmember
steve
donney
from
research
and
development,
so,
according
to
the
assembly
bill
and
government
code
7070
that
was
made
from
it,
we
can
have
once
this
military
equipment
policy
has
been
approved
by
council.
We
can
now
have
other
agencies
come
in
and
assist
us
if
they
have
equipment
that
we
don't
have
yet
so,
let's
say
hypothetically,
they
have
a
rook
right
and
we
need
to
use
it,
but
we
don't
have
one
yet
so
because
we
don't
have
them,
we
don't
have
a
policy
governing
it.
E
We
can
have
them,
come
in
and
use
their
rook
in
our
agency
agency's
jurisdiction
once
the
policy
has
been
created
been
approved
by
council.
Even
if
the
specific
item,
the
rook
isn't
in
our
policy,
yet
okay,
as
long
as
they
have
a
policy
in
their
jurisdiction
and
it
abides
by
their
use
policies.
Does
that
make
sense.
B
Yeah,
it
makes
sense-
and
I
guess
I'm
asking
just
the
follow-up
question,
which
would
be-
I
probably
know
what
I'm
driving
at.
If
when
we
evaluate
whether
we
have
something
and
need
it,
I
assume
we
evaluate
that
in
the
context
of
mutual
aid
and
what
we
might
definitely
need
ourselves,
because
there's
a
shortage
regionally
or
what
we
think
we
have
accessible
to
us
in
case.
Assuming
that
some
of
these
are
very
rarely
used,
we
may
not
need
to
have
our
own
piece
of
equipment.
E
Absolutely
and
then,
when
we
come
back
to
council
every
year,
every
year,
we'll
be
reporting
back
to
council
on
the
items
that
we
possess
and
the
items
we'll
be
requesting
for
the
subsequent
year
when
we
do
that.
That
will
be
part
of
the
conversation
is
to
say
whether
or
not
that
item's
available
through
our
mutual
aid
partners
or
even
if
they
have
it.
Why
we
would
need
it
as
well.
E
Correct
it's
it's
kind
of
it's
about
the
ordinance
itself
right,
approving
the
ordinance
and
then
approving
our
military
use
policy.
E
B
And
in
the
instance
of
the
the
med
I
figured,
it
was
called,
but
the
first,
the
other
piece
of
equipment,
not
the
rook,
sounds
to
me
like.
This
would
often
be
used
in
case
of
fire
emergency
and
we
would
use
our
fire
have
our
fire
personnel.
O
One
of
the
things
I
think
of
is
we
we
had
a
in
2019,
we
had
a
multiple
homicides
inside
a
residence
and
when
the
officers
first
arrived,
they
could
see
that
there
were
several
people
inside
the
home
who
still
appeared
to
be
alive
and
that
they
could
be
helped
and
the
officers
had
to
basically
make
a
crisis
entry,
get
those
folks
out
and
then
put
them
in
the
bearcat
that
we
currently
have
and
drive
that
to
a
location
where
they
could
then
get
medical
treatment.
This
would
allow
us
to
bring
first
of
all.
O
It
would
be
equipped
differently
so
that
medical
treatment
could
be
given
right
away
and
we
could
put
paramedics
or
emts
into
this
vehicle,
and
you
know
when
seconds
count.
I
mean
this
could
mean
the
difference.
You
know
to
be
overly
dramatic,
but
it
could
mean
the
difference
between
life
and
death,
and
so
it's
it's.
The
use
is
dependent
on
the
circumstances,
but
I
think
it's
it
could
be
used
in
a
fire
emergency.
O
But
what
we
more
envision
it
being
used
is,
you
know,
maybe
like
an
active,
shooter
or
some
place
where
you
know
we
need
to
rescue
somebody
immediately
and
as
soon
as
they're
safely
in
this
vehicle
start
providing
medical
treatment.
D
Thank
you
going
online
now,
councilmember
foley.
P
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
the
presentation
I
think.
What's
confusing
at
least
me
is
that
we're
here
to
adopt
an
ordinance
and
that's
the
main
purpose
of
the
item
before
us,
but
just
to
be
clear.
You're
also
asking
us
for
authorization
to
acquire
the
bearcat
and
the
rook.
Is
that
correct
captain
ligorio
logario
legorio.
R
I
got
it
right
lego,
you
got
it
right,
thank
you
so
yeah,
so
the
like
lieutenant
donahue
said
we're
doing
we're
covering
a
lot
of
ground
today,
because
this
is
the
first
time
we're
here.
Request
is
part
of
it.
So
this
is
a
request
to
purchase
now,
if
the
council
so
deems
or
in
the
future
move
forward
with
other
funding
sources
for
the
medcat
and
the
rook.
Q
R
Correct-
and
I
can
actually
talk
a
little
bit
about
purchasing
and
purchasing
underneath
under
this
policy.
R
The
state
law
says
that
we
need
to
come
back
once
a
year
and
ask
for
authorization
to
purchase
items
on
this
list.
We
do,
we
do
have
some
warning
there.
It
allows
us
to
you,
know,
replace
items
that
are
expired
or
used
or
have
been
damaged,
but,
to
be
quite
honest,
we're
the
10th
largest
city,
united
states.
We
make
a
lot
of
purchases
regularly
once
a
year
probably
won't
work.
R
I
would
just
like
to
prepare
you
all
here
that
in
the
future,
you're
probably
going
to
see
items
pop
up
here
and
there
we're
asking
for
things
that
need
to
be
purchased,
there's
already
some
items
that
probably
should
have
been
on
this
list,
but
after
I
I
sent
out
the
the
request
portion
of
this.
It
was
too
late.
R
I
really
couldn't
add
things
to
it
so
moving
forward,
you
may
see
things
pop
up
on
the
the
agenda
that
are
just
items
that
we
need
to
purchase
and
we're
not
doing
that
to
burden
you,
but
we
have
to
comply
with
the
law
and
get
this
government
body
on
board
and
have
knowledge
that
we
want
to
make
those
purchases.
P
Okay,
so
thank
you
so
you're,
not
you're.
We
don't
have
the
funding
mechanism
in
the
budget
to
approve
the
acquisition
of
the
bearcat
or
the
rook
right.
Now
they
total
around
a
million
dollars,
so
the
you
will
be
coming
back
to
us.
If
we
say
yes
go
ahead
and
purchase
this,
you
still
need
to
you
still
don't
have
the
money.
P
You
still
have
to
come
back
to
us
or
we
can
delay
that
piece
which
I
would
prefer
until
we
take
a
look
at
the
grants
because
I'm
having
I'm
struggling
even
if
we,
if
this
was
budgeted
that
we're
using
taxpayer
dollars
for
it
when
there
is
potentially
grant
funds
out
there
available.
P
So
you
had
mentioned
captain
that
you
thought
we
should
not
wait
for
grant
funds
because
of
it
takes
a
couple
of
years
to
get
those.
Can
you
tell
me
why
these
two
pieces
of
equipment
are
so
important
that
we
would
not
want
to
use
somebody
else's
funds
to
purchase
these,
and
do
we
not
have
anything
that
could
do
this?
R
Hopefully,
I
remember
all
your
questions.
First,
one
was:
what
do
we
need
it?
So
I
think
the
past
events
in
the
past
six
months
illustrate
that
we
need
it
and
honestly
going
back
to
gilroy
garlic
festival,
active
shooter
event.
We
responded
down
there,
we
sent
about
80
personnel
a
couple
bearcats,
our
helicopter,
a
medcat
would
have
been
a
huge
asset
down
there
to
get
people
out.
We
were
still
doing
a
lot
of
searching.
We
searched
for
probably
eight
hours,
the
surrounding
area
in
the
creek.
R
Sometimes
it's
difficult
to
get
fire
and
medical
services
to
stage
close
to
our
hot
zone
or
where
we're
working.
At
last
night's
example,
we
had
a
critical
incident,
we
had
a
barricade,
we
have
to
call
fire
or
also
ems
and
ambulance,
to
stand
by
so
they're
about
maybe
five
six
seven
blocks
away.
When
something
happens
we
call
for
them
to
come
in.
R
We
then
have
to
wait
for
them
to
come
in
with
the
advantage
of
a
medcat
we
could
park
it
right
next
to
the
threat
that
we're
dealing
with
the
medical
attention
would
be
immediate
by
our
officers
that
are
in
the
merge
unit.
That
are
emts,
they
could
load
them
into
the
medcat.
R
They
could
swiftly
take
them
to
an
awaiting
ambulance
or
go
directly
to
the
hospital.
So
that's
a
capability
gap.
We
have
right
now
there's
a
gap
on
these
critical
incidents
where
that
can
be
utilized
for
the
rook
again
talking
about
the
critical
incidents
as
the
assistant
chief
talked
about
it's,
you
know
it's
pretty
dangerous:
to
go
up
to
these
houses
when
you're
dealing
with
an
armed,
suspect
and
trying
to
do
what
we
call
special
operations.
R
R
R
R
We've
already
made
the
proposals
and
the
applications
for
23
and
24..
So
that's
already
a
two-year
window.
We're
not
going
to
see
any
of
these
items
for
two
years
and
that's
that's
just
way
the
the
the
grant
funding
system
works
and,
as
you
know,
if
we
do
get
grant
funding,
it
then
again
comes
before
this
council
and
you
guys
are
familiar
with.
You
know:
okay
and
the
mouse
to
receive
the
money.
Did
that
answer
your
question
council
member.
P
It
did
you
know,
I'm
I'm
really
struggling
with
these
two
items
and,
and
you
made
a
compelling
argument
for
the
medcat,
I'm
having
a
harder
problem,
understanding
the
need
for
the
rook-
I
I
admit
it's
way
out
of
my
expertise
and
comfort
zone
and
that's
your
expertise
and
and
comfort
zone.
P
So
let
me
ask
you
about
the
medcat,
because
I
can
see
the
need
for
it
is
this
something
that
you
would
deploy
regularly
at
large
events.
R
Absolutely
absolutely
we
could
use
it.
For
you
know,
your
fun
runs,
color,
run
fireworks
events,
anything
any
of
these
city-sponsored
events
where
we
already
have
a
police
presence
and
there's
potential,
for
you
know,
god
forbid
an
active
shooter.
We
can
do
that.
It's
something
that
we
could
take
two
search
warrants
that
we
do
so
it
could
be
on
standby.
In
case
we
need
to
rescue
somebody
again
last
night
having
a
critical
incident.
R
This
third
apparatus,
which
again
can
also
just
be
positioned
and
provide
a
point
of
cover
for
officers
which
we've
had
to
do.
You
know
call
for
an
extra
bearcat
several
times.
R
P
P
Q
Obviously
we
have
to
weigh
that
against
all
other
priorities
in
the
cities
for
one-time
funds,
but
you
know
they
will
work
together
and
again
you
that
would
come
back
to
council
one
way
or
the
other
for
the
purchase
of
these,
but
and
then
the
count
the
the
police
department
would
have
to
prioritize
based
on
what
what
funding
we
might
have.
Q
So
I
think
that's
what
that's
the
direction
we'd
like
to
go
in
is
is
first
seek
grants,
see
if
there's
any
other
grant
opportunities
available
and
then,
if
not,
we
can
look
at
other
funding
sources,
vis-a-vis
other
priorities
in
the
city,
and
then
we
may
have
to
prioritize
okay.
P
Did
we
seek
or
review
any
other
jurisdictions
guidelines?
Did
we
reach
out
to
other
entities
who
might
be
helpful
in
graft
and
drafting
these
guidelines,
such
as
san
jose
state
or
any
community
based
organizations
or
anyone
else?
Who
would
have
expertise
in
this
area?
That
would
help
us,
as
far
as
it
relates
to
the
public
and
there
any
concerns
that
they
might
have
have
we
so
so.
In
other
words,
how
did
we
vet
these
guidelines
and
where
did
who
did
we
engage.
R
R
And
again,
you
know,
coming
coming
to
june
may
is
when
they
all
start
rolling
out,
there's
like
there's
still
a
lot
that
are
still
rolling
out.
We
did
look
at
them
and
I
think
lieutenant
donahue
can
talk
about
community
engagement.
E
Yes
councilmember,
so,
regarding
community
engagement,
the
the
process
was
undertaken
by
our
special
operations
division
and
then
we
posted
for
30
days
to
the
public.
We
also
put
it
out
to
the
public,
I
think,
through
the
media
relations
unit,
that
this
was
posted
and
through
the
council.
So
it's
been
posted
for
30
days
and
we've
received
no
feedback
from
the
public
through
that.
P
Okay,
thank
you.
It's
surprising
to
me
that
we
only
had
one
member
of
the
public
here
to
speak,
so
that
kind
of
I
expected
this
to
be
an
issue
that
we'd
have
a
lot
of
people
here
present,
but
apparently
not
so
with
that.
That's
thank
you.
You've
answered
my
questions
sufficiently.
K
Thank
you
mayor.
I
wanted
to
go
back
and
ask
a
follow-up
question
on
on
some
of
your
questions
and
directly
address
one
of
the
questions
that
was
brought
up
by
the
public
speaker
on
specifically
the
rook
right.
We
have
policies
around
crowd,
control,
correct
and
do
those
policies
specifically
do
they
prohibit
us
from
doing
what
the
speaker
said,
which
is
using
the
rook
for
crowd
control
right?
Can
you
explain
how
we
use
those
crowd,
control
policies,
the
intersection
between
those
and
this
equipment.
O
Paul
joseph
assistant
chief
police,
again
because
the
rook
is
not
an
item
that
we
currently
have
it.
It
doesn't
have
a
policy
surrounding
it.
One
would
be
drafted
prior
to
its
purchase.
Well,
we
have
a
proposed
policy,
but
we
don't
because
we
don't
have
the
item,
but
there's
no
there's
no
application
of
that
of
the
rook
in
a
crowd
control
scenario.
O
I
mean
the
only
possible
way
I
could
imagine
is
if
we
were
taking
gunfire
and
had
to
you
know,
move
items
or
something
out
of
the
way
in
order
to
achieve
a
goal,
but
in
terms
of
just
a
pro
a
protest
or
something
happening
in
the
street.
That's
not
what
this
item
is
designed
for.
That's
not
what
its
intended
use
would
be:
we've
completely
revamped
our
crowd,
control
policies
since
2020,
and
that
this
is
not
an
item
that
would
be
used
for
crowd,
control.
K
Okay
and
then,
when
the
time
comes,
when
we
would
actually
get
this
item,
then
we
would
develop
specific
protocols
and
training
around
the
use
of
that
equipment,
and
that
would
come
before
the
council
correct.
K
Okay
and
mayor,
can
you
so
this
comes
back
to
us,
correct.
D
O
Well
so
again,
each
one
of
these
items
has
some
pretty
specific
guidelines
for
its
use,
with
the
exception
of
the
lrad
and
again,
the
rook
being
a
newer
piece
of
equipment.
So
are
those?
Are
there
other
items,
besides
that,
one
that
you
would
want
more
specific?
I
mean
because
I
think
our
duty
manual
covers
the
use
of
all
of
these
items.
The
only
thing
that
seems
that
I
was
hearing
we
needed
some
more
specificity
on
was
the
lrad
and
then
possibly
the
rook.
D
K
Yeah-
and
I
had
a
follow-up
question
to
that-
so
I
I
do
actually,
you
know
I
represent
district
seven,
we've
had
some
incidents,
and
but
you
know
whether
it's
the
bta
shooting
or
others.
I
I'd
like
to
remind
my
colleagues
before
kovidge
it's.
K
If
folks
remember,
we
had
just
a
horrific
dv
murder
suicide
in
a
household
and
my
female
colleagues
and
I
issued
a
statement
on
that
as
we
collectively
fought
for
more
funding
to
address
gender-based
violence
and
at
that
time,
but
I
can
see
that
being
you
know
that
that
I
believe
was
the
incident
that
that
the
captain
was
describing,
and
that
was
in
district,
seven,
pretty
close
to
the
border
of
district
eight.
K
K
Where
I
you
know,
I
think
we
need
this
equipment
if
it's
to
protect
lives,
but
I
do
agree
that
we
need
to
be
very
clear
around
the
use
of
that
equipment.
K
And
so
so
I
had
one
more
question,
which
is:
if
we
approve
what
what
is
before
us
today,
then
to
get
more
clarity
on
the
lrad
and
the
rook,
which
we
don't
have
right.
So
it's
it's
a
policy
around
a
piece
of
equipment
that
we
don't
have,
but
we're
saying
that
we
would
like
to
get
at
some
point
and
we're
prioritizing
grants
to
do
that.
K
I
don't
know
if
this
I
think
if
this
is
a
question
for
the
pd
or
the
city
manager,
but
when
would
that
clarification
come
back
to
the
full?
Would
that
come
back
to
the
full
council
or
would
that
come
back
in
another
format?.
E
Ultimately,
though,
I
think
you
could
go
off
the
word
of
ac
joseph
that
we're
not
going
to
be
using
it
in
that
manner
that
that
other
agencies
have
used
it,
as
was
described
earlier
today,
that
this
is
going
to
be
used
for
our
to
provide
notifications
to
contact
people
at
home
to
de-escalate.
K
And
that
info
memo,
so
that
would
come
to
the
full
council.
I
think
this
is
important
not
just
for
us
as
a
council
to
know,
but
for
the
community
to
know.
That's
part
of
I
think,
the
transparency
that
we're
that
I'm
certainly
seeking-
and
I
think
folks
are
interested
in
I'm
comfortable
with
the
info
memo
yeah.
I
think
that
works
as
long
as
we
have
that
clarity
in
writing
and
then
would
that
come
that
language
would
be
part
of
the
this
annual
process.
E
So
we'll
be
reporting
back
to
council
annually
on
the
use
of
military
equipment,
and
let
me
touch
on
that
just
for
a
second.
What
that's
going
to
entail-
and
this
is
per
the
government
code-
is
that
we're
going
to
give
you
a
summary
of
how
all
the
military
equipment
was
used
and
the
purpose
of
its
use
like?
Was
it
for
a
community
event
for
a
tactical
operation
or
or
was
it
for
training,
we're
going
to
talk
about
any
complaints
or
concerns
that
were
received
about
the
military
equipment
and
how
those
were
resolved?
E
We're
going
to
talk
about
the
total
annual
cost
for
the
military
equipment,
their
acquisition,
its
use
and
its
replacement,
and
then,
of
course,
the
inventory
that
we
have
at
the
time
and
then
of
the
military
equipment
we'll
be
requesting
for
the
subsequent
year.
Now
we'll
be
reporting
that
back
to
council,
I
believe
through
the
public
safety,
finance
and
strategic
support
committee.
However,
it
could
also
be
cross-referenced
to
council,
if
deemed
fit
by
the
committee,
and
that
will
take
place
every
year
from
here
on
out.
According
to
the
government
code,.
K
Okay,
so
we
will
have
that
transparency.
We
will
have
it
in
writing
and
pizfiz
could
cross-reference
it
to
the
full
council
correct.
That's
what
I
just
heard.
You
say,
okay
with
that,
I'm
comfortable
approving
this
with
the
follow-up
around
the
specifics
around
the
lrad
and
the
rook,
and
I'm
comfortable
moving
approval
on
that.
E
Council
member,
could
I
ask
for
a
caveat
on
the
rook.
We
don't
have
it
yet
and
we
we're
not
about
to
get
it
right
now.
We
still
have
to
find
the
funding
sources
and
move
forward
with
the
acquisition
of
it.
Can
we
come
back
to
council
closer
to
the
acquisition
of
it
without
establishing
that
policy?
Until
then,
that
works
as.
D
Is
there
a
second
to
that
motion?
Second,
okay,
thank
you.
Councilman
sparzin,
councilman
cohen,
is
your
hand
up
from
before.
J
Thank
you.
I
have
some
questions.
I
think
the
my
my
colleagues
did
a
really
great
job
in
and
kind
of
suss
out
the
mean
of
this.
I
know
that
primarily
this
is
an
action
that
will
allow
us
to
comply
with
ab481
right.
This
is
the
the
main
purpose
of
today's
topic.
Yet
we're
talking
about
two
separate
items:
we're
talking
about
the
purchase
of
military
equipment,
and
I
feel
that
this
is
it's
a
little
backwards.
J
I
think
we
would
expect
any
other
department
to
develop
a
to
develop
a
policy
to
be
clear
with
the
policy,
the
limitations
of
the
policy
and
how
it's
going
to
be
used
and
then
make
that
purchase
and
right
now
I
think
it's,
although
I
I
think
that
you
both
have
answered
the
questions.
J
I
just
feel
like
this
process,
isn't
what
we
normally
would
go
through,
and
I
don't
feel
as
comfortable
having
an
informational
memo
that
that
I
can't
change
that
I
can't
give
input
to
and
that
the
council
can't
provide
a
conversation
with
the
community
around.
J
I
would
like
to
see
this
come
back
to
council,
with
the
policies
in
mind
and
and
I'll
tell
you
the
reason
why
and
now
and
not
because
I
don't
want
our
police
officers
to
be
protected.
I
obviously
do
that.
J
That's
a
priority,
and
I
know
that
nowadays
there's
a
threat
to
our
community,
our
schools,
our
homes
that
we
haven't
seen
in
the
past
I
mean
just
this-
was
it
yesterday
yesterday
or
sunday
my
daughter
said
to
me
that
she
wanted
to
get
homeschooled
because
she
was
afraid
of,
and
I
you
know
I
it
took
some
time
to
figure
out,
but
it
was
basically
she
wasn't
sure
there
was
going
to
be
a
shooting
at
her
school.
J
And
so
you
know
this
is.
This
is
a
very
delicate
and
subject
for
me
as
a
parent
that
and
for
all
of
all
of
you
who
have
who
have
children
or
who
have
a
a
child
in
your
life
that
you
care
for
and
that
you
love
that
they
risk
their
lives
going
to
school
every
day,
because
we
just
don't
know
what's
going
to
happen,
and
I
want
to
make
sure
that
she
has
protection,
that
your
children
are
productive,
that
everyone's
protected.
J
But
I
also
want
to
make
sure
that
we
have
the
process
that
we
normally
would
use.
My
question
is:
how
would
the
the
rook
help
facilitate
somebody
who's
barricaded?
So,
if
somebody's
barricaded
are
we.
J
J
How?
How
would
you
propose
in
the
last
six
months
with
the
events
that
you
you're
talking
about?
How
would
that
look
like.
A
Good
afternoon
sergeant
jacob
morris
from
the
merge
unit,
I'm
one
of
the
end
users
of
of
the
rook
and
and
the
medcat
how
it
would
be
used
in
the
last
six
months.
We
could
use
it
several
times,
several
incidences,
but
the
biggest
one
is
a
lot
of
people.
Don't
think
about
is
apartments.
This
is
a
small,
basically
a
bear
cap
that
we
can
use
to
get
into
small
areas
and
still
evac
apart.
People
live
in
apartments
with
second,
with
second
home
dwellings
in
the
backyard.
A
When
it
comes
to
any
crowd
control,
there
is
no.
The
request
is
not
even
there's.
There's
no
use
for
the
rook
in
crowd
control
the
the
ability
to
the
rook
it
has
that
claw
on
the
front.
But
what
that
does?
Is
that
articulate
arm
that
can
actually
lift
officers
to
second
levels
and
rescue
people
and
bring
them
down?
We
don't
have
the
capability
of
doing
that
right
now
and
that's
one
of
the
requests,
because
we
can
get
into
small
areas.
R
Oh
yeah,
this
is
captain
lagorio,
so
the
rook
comes
with
a
bunch
of
different
attachments.
You
see
the
two
price
points
on
it:
one's
366
and
the
other
one
is
500
something
yeah.
B
R
500
comes
with
all
the
extra
attachments
one
of
the
attachments.
Is
you
get
rid
of
the
the
bucket
of
the
claw
on
the
front.
R
What's
basically
a
barricade,
it's
a
wall
of
steel.
You
can
put
two
to
three
operators
on
it
police
officers
and
it
lifts
them
up.
It
lifts
them
up
to
the
second
story,
level
of
an
apartment.
You
can,
then
you
know,
perform
evacuations
or
you
can
insert
officers
in
so
they
can
provide
protection.
J
Mm-Hmm,
okay,
I
see
so
what
would
I
guess
that
that
you
would?
You
would
actually
want
the
566
that,
with
all
the
the
different
tools
so
that
you
can
use
it
in
different
ways,.
R
R
A
couple
other
attachments
to
it
that
I
can't
remember
specifically,
but
they
all
have
you
know
one
is
like
a
spike,
so
you
can
poke
through
things
and
introduce
a
camera
insert
some
gas.
You
could
always
put
in
some
safety
needs
or
medicine
or
blankets,
thermal
blankets,
for
if
there's
somebody
trapped
inside.
So
it's
got.
B
J
Right:
okay,
that's
a
really
good
point
in
terms
of
elevating
somebody
to
a
different
floor
and
being
able
to
have
some
protection.
I
think
that
that's
really
important
and
I'm
sure
that
that'll
be
useful.
I'm
just
what
I
was
wondering
is
in
the
last
six
months.
I
think
that
there
has
been
folks
who've
barricaded
themselves
within
a
home,
and
I
wonder
how
that
and
those
incidents
would
be
resolved.
Would
you
do
that
wall
kind,
and
this?
J
These
are
the
questions
that
are
that
are
coming
up
for
us,
because
we
don't
know
the
policy
use.
So
you
know
it's
it's
the
cart
for
the
horse.
So
what
I'm
wondering
is
just
so
that
I
can
be
assured.
How
would
you
have
approached
these
barricade
barricaded?
I
think
there
were
homes
if
there
weren't
homes,
please
clarify,
but
how
would?
How
would
that
look?
Would
you
do
the
wall?
J
A
Last
night
we
would
have,
there
was
a
sec.
It
was
a
second
story
house.
We
would
have
elevated
officers
up
there
to
just
look
in
into
the
residence.
That's
that's
not
even
allow
it.
We
don't
even
have
to
go
in
at
this
point
when
we
can
do
everything
from
the
exterior.
So
it's
heavily
on
officer
safety.
The
other
thing
that
we
can
do
is
we
had
residents
that
we
could
help
evac
from
second
floors.
Also,
that
would
have
helped
out
also
and
talking
about
schools.
A
O
Council,
member
rain
assistance,
assistant
chief
justice-
if
I
could
add
one
other
thing,
what
this
law
required
us
to
do-
was
provide
the
governing
body,
the
council,
the
mayor
with
a
list,
an
inventory
of
all
the
equipment
that
we
had
and
anything
that
we
anticipated
acquiring,
and
so
it
kind
of
asks
us
to
tell
you
about
things
that
we
don't
have,
but
that
we
might
want
to
get,
and
so
we
realize
that
the
funding
is
not
currently
secured.
We
realize
that
it
may
come
from
this
from
the
city.
O
It
may
come
from
a
grant,
but
what
we're
trying
to
what
we
are
required
to
do
under
the
law
is
tell
you
that
these
are
two
pieces
of
equipment
that
we
are
contemplating
buying
so
that
we
put
it
on
your
agenda.
If
we
do
end
up
acquiring
some
funding
for
it,
we
would
have
a
policy.
We
would
come
back
to
you
for
that.
So
I
think,
hopefully
that
explains,
as
you
put
it,
sort
of
the
backwards
nature
of
of
what
we're
asking
for.
We
were
required
by
this
law
to
do
it.
That
way,.
J
Right
to
identify
what
we
have
in
inventory
and
you-
and
that
was
done
in
the
memo,
but
this
is
an
additional
step
and
I
I
appreciate
the
the
clarification,
listen
I
I
I
want
to
make
sure
that
our
officers
are
protected,
that
our
residents
also
have
a
way
to
be
rescued
and
and
to
be
as
quick
as
quickly
and
as
least
volatile
situation
possible,
and
so
I
think
these
two
items
should
move
forward.
J
The
the
only
thing
is
that
that
that
policy
use
is.
I
would
like
to
not
have
a
info
memo.
I
would
like
to
have
a
memo
that
can
actually
allow
us
to
discuss
the
policy.
J
I've
done
I've
done
an
audit
on
sexual
assault,
renderings
services
to
sexual
assault
survivors,
and
we
realized
that
there
wasn't
a
standing
operating
procedures
that
were
established
and
that
helped
solidify
that,
and
not
only
just
solidify,
but
it
helped
us
work
some
things
out,
and
so
I
think
that
there
is
value
in
in
having
a
conversation
with
with
not
only
the
council
but
with
the
community
about
because
once
you
know,
if
you
just
hear
their
military
vehicles,
that
we're
going
to
be
purchas
purchasing
our
milk
military
equipment.
J
That
sounds
so
extreme
and
harsh.
But
during
this
time
that
we've
been
discussing
this
we're
you're
breaking
down
exactly
what
you
in
envision
using
and
utilizing
these
this
equipment,
for
which
all
make
sense
to
us,
and
I
think
that
our
residents,
our
community,
need
that
assurance
as
well
and
need
that
opportunity
to
have
that
conversation.
J
J
I
don't
know
if
you
need
to
have
a
a
large
meeting,
but
at
least
to
sit
down
with
a
couple
of
those
folks
to
get
their
input
and
and
and
just
identify
your
compliance
with
this
bill
that
that
the
governor
signed
earlier
this
year
and
and
what
we're
doing
to
to
protect
our
residents
when
we
have
not
only
a
bear
people
barricaded.
But,
like
you
said
when
there's
things
that
are
going
to
happen,
you
know
I'm
going
to
knock
on
wood,
throw
salt
over
my
shoulder
and
cross.
J
My
fingers,
because
the
worst
thing
that
we
could
see
is
something
that
involves
our
children,
like
we
saw
in
uvalde
texas,
which
just
absolutely
broke
my
heart
and-
and
I
bet
that
the
council
there
or
the
folks
who
are
in
charge,
wish
that
they
had
some
of
this
equipment
in
their
use
in
their
facility
to
bring
and
save
those
children.
So
I'm
glad
that
you're
thinking
ahead
of
time,
I
was
a
little
hesitant
at
the
beginning.
As
the
the
I
I
like
to
see
the
policy
before
we.
J
We
move
forward
with
something,
but
I
I'm
now
comfortable
with
this
conversation
and
and
and
how
we're
moving.
I
think
that
our
residents
also
will
be
happy
to
know
that
there
are
these
vehicles
that
could
safeguard
them,
but
they,
I
think
that
also
requires
a
conversation.
D
I
I've
had
an
opportunity.
You
know.
I
think
assistant
chief
joseph
raised
an
important
question
about
other
parts
of
the
policy,
and
let
me
articulate
my
concern
and
part
of
it
is
philosophical.
We
have
a
u.s
constitution
that
isn't
about
what
powers
the
government
has
it's
about.
What
power
the
government
does
not
have
right.
We
have
a
bill
of
rights
because
it
protects
our.
Our
citizens
protects
our
residents
against
the
government,
and
so
the
constitution
is
a
constitutional
limitation.
I
similarly
see
this
document.
D
It
should
be
a
document
of
limitation
where
the
police
department
says
to
the
public.
We
need
these
tools
to
keep
you
safe,
but
we
also
understand,
there's
a
lot
of
concern
about
the
use
of
military
tools
and
so
here's
how
we're
not
going
to
use
them,
and
so
I
appreciate
the
suggestion,
lieutenant
donahue
about
coming
back
through
with
a
change
to
the
duty
manual,
but
the
problem
is
the
duty
manual.
D
D
Tools
of
some
kind-
and
so
I
think
it
really
needs
to
be
in
this
document
and-
and
I
think
it
needs
to
be
more
explicit-
I'm
happy
to
support
the
motion
to
move
forward
here,
but
but
I'm
going
to
ask
for
a
friendly
amendment
a
moment
and,
and
so
when
this
thing
comes
back
to
the
council,
because
I
think
it's
updated
annually.
Is
that
right?
D
Here's
what
I'm
concerned
about!
Nobody
can
look
at
this
document
in
many
of
these
instances
and
know
exactly
when
we're
not
going
to
use
these
tools,
and
I
think,
that's
critically
important.
This
document
has
to
be
something
about
a
statement
of
limitation
that
the
policeman
says
we
believe
in
building
trust
in
the
community
and
here's
how
we're
not
going
to
use
these
tools
and
I'll
just
give
a
couple
examples.
I
just
quickly
jotted
down
el
rada's,
obviously
is
one
you
know
the
uas
is
a
tool
that
a
lot
of
folks
are
concerned
about.
D
With
regard
to
surveillance
right,
you
know:
how
could
this
be
misused
right?
That's
the
concern
folks
have,
and
I
I
don't
have
any
challenge
my
own
mind.
I
have
no
lack
of
confidence
in
the
chief
and
others
that
we're
not
going
to
misuse
uas
because,
frankly,
we
got
a
lot
of
things
to
worry
about,
and
the
last
thing
we're
going
to
be
doing
is
just
engaging
in
you
know.
D
Some
kind
of
you
know
russian-style
surveillance
of
people,
but
I
know
that's
a
concern,
that's
out
there,
and
so
I
think
we
need
to
address
that
concern
more
squarely
now.
We
do
actually
have
some
limiting
language
in
this
policy
with
regard
to
the
use
of
the
uas
on
page
eight
of
the
of
the
document,
but
what
you'll
see
is
for,
for
the
most
part,
it
just
says
we're
not
going
to
do
anything,
that's
illegal.
D
It
says
you
know
we're
not
going
to
target
a
person
based
on
race,
ethnicity,
blah
blah
blah.
You
know
we're
going
to
make
sure
these
are
activities
that
have
a
legitimate
public
safety
purpose,
of
course,
and
we
won't
use
them
to
conduct
personal
business
of
any
type.
Of
course
I
mean
all
those
things
would
be
illegal
if
we
did
any
of
those
things
right
and
it
shall
not
be
weaponized.
That's
certainly
helpful.
That's
a
great
limitation.
I
think
that
we
need
to
squarely
address
the
the
concern
that
the
public
would
have
is.
D
To
what
extent
is
this
going
to
be
used
for
surveillance
of
ordinary
citizens
who
should
be
concerned
about
their
privacy
and
and
perhaps
now
I
don't
want
to
tell
you
what
the
limitation
ought
to
be,
but
I'm
guessing
it
might
be.
Something
like
this
is
only
going
to
be
utilized
in
either
urgent
situations
or
in
cases
involving
investigations
of
serious
or
violent
felonies
and
leave
it
at
that
which
are
all
identified
clearly
in
the
code.
D
That
might
be
one
way
you
might
limit
it.
I
I
think
about
others,
for
example
the
explosive
breaching
that's
listed
on
page
15.,
and
and
if
you
read
that
language
on
explosive
breaching
I'm
just
going
to
go
to
it
really
quickly,
it
largely
just
says:
look
it's
you
got
to
get
the
incident,
commander's
approval
and
it's
up
to
their
discretion.
D
Positive
use
of
explosive
materials
to
create
an
opening
through
a
wall
door
barrier
to
allow
access
by
tactical
rescue
team
explosive
breaching
is
a
tactical
option-
can
be
employed
when
rapid
entry
is
critical
of
success
in
the
mission,
that's
fine,
it
says
the
option
to
use
explosive
breach
shall
be
at
the
discretion.
The
merge
commander
designee
now
I'd.
Imagine
if
you
had
some
kind
of
limitation
language
in
there,
it
might
say
something
like,
and
it
can
only
be
used
that
the
suspect
is
armed
with
with
a
firearm
or
explosive
and
the
door
can't
be
breached.
D
You
know,
there's
there's
no
other
reasonable
way
of
reaching.
I
just
think
you
want
to
have
that
in
the
document,
because
this
is
part
of
a
conversation,
an
ongoing
conversation
we're
having
with
the
public
and
the
public
needs
to
know
what
lines
is
the
department
drawing
now.
You
may
well
have
all
those
already
in
the
duty
manual
and
that's
great
I'd
say,
make
them
explicit:
let's
put
them
in
the
document,
so
anyway
I
I've
talked
long
enough.
I
I
think
captain
you
want
to
speak
our
chief.
B
Yes,
mayor,
thank
you.
I
appreciate,
though,
those
comments
and
again
this
this
legislation
was
very
limited
into
what
we
needed
to
put
in,
and
a
majority
of
this
is
already
documented
in
our
unit
guidelines,
whether
it
be
special
operations
merge.
We
have
a
uis
policy
that
we
brought
forth
here
to
the
council
two
years
ago
and
all
the
other
guidelines
that
we
that
govern
what
we
use
it
in
this
equipment.
B
So
yes,
these
things
already
posted
online.
In
fact,
two
years
ago
it
was
a
requirement,
another
set
of
legislation
that
we
had
to
post
all
our
guidelines
online.
So
all
these
things
are
already
online,
as
well
as
the
duty
manuals
for
the
public
to
see
the.
B
B
Years,
and
so
I
think
what
we
can
do
and-
and
I
think
this
is
what
you're
probably
alluding
to
is
maybe
having
some
type
of
link
or
a
reference
to
where
the
public
can
can
see
those
specific
uses
of
this
type
of
equipment,
and
that's
something
that
we
can
definitely
work
on.
In
addition
to
adding
anything
to
the
duty
manual,
that
may
not
be
already
there.
So
that's
something
that
we
can
definitely.
B
D
D
M
Yeah
thanks.
I
appreciate
that
the
conversation
I
will
say
I
also
was
expecting.
Maybe
there
would
be
more
public
comment
on
this,
so
I
do
think
that
is
just
a
a
testament
to
maybe
why
we
would
need
a
little
bit
more
outreach
and
conversation
on
this
as
it
as
it
does
come
forward,
and
I
also
think
this
is
like
the
duty
manual
as
an
iterative
document,
and
so
this
may
be
a
first
pass
of
it
and
I
think
the
conversations
that
we're
having
here
important,
but
I
also
don't
think
they're.
M
You
know
they're
very
clear,
cut
right
where
it
where
it's
a
black
or
white
situation.
I
think
any
language
that
we
may
put
in
also
could
create
unforeseen
challenges
for
us.
I-
and
I
don't
know
if
you
can
speak
to
this
chief,
but
I
know
throughout
the
duty
man.
I
was
just
kind
of
skimming
right
now
and
it
has
been
public
for
about
a
couple
decades
right.
I
believe
it's.
M
Our
duty
manual
has
been
public
for
quite
some
time,
but
I
was
just
skimming
through
it
and
then
some
of
the
other
departments
like
sacramento
and
and
trying
to
see
what
language
is
in
there.
I
don't
see
a
lot
of
explicit
or
specific,
restrictive
language
right
on
certain
tools,
because
I
know
that
it,
it
gets
a
little
difficult
to
to
try
and
pinpoint
exact
situations.
M
I
I
see
what
I'd
see
is
the
opposite,
which
is
similar.
What
we
have
in
here
say,
for
instance,
example.
The
uas
talking
about
authorized
uses
right,
so
we
specifically
say
when
we
will
use
it
and
then
essentially,
if
you're
not
in
authorized
use
right.
Those
are
the
incidents
where
you
know
it
is
is
not
authorized
versus.
I
think
the
opposite,
which
is
maybe
what
you're
talking
about
mayor,
which
is
specific
incidences
where
we
would
not
use
it.
M
M
M
Should
there
be
some
more
language
in
some
of
these
say,
for
instance,
use
of
force
policies
or
some
of
these
tools,
where
we
would
want
to
then
specify
when
we
don't
or
when
we
will
not
want
to
use
them
versus,
leave
it
more
open-ended
and
say
here's
where
we
will
and
then
typically
you
see
a
lot
of
language
that
says
you
know,
there's
sort
of
a
last
use
it.
M
You
know
upon
a
you,
know,
authorization
from
a
commanding
officer
right
and
that
then
broadens
it
up
to
where
you
know
you
can
use
it
in
many
different
circumstances,
and-
and
I
understand
the
reasoning
for
that,
because
it's
really
hard
right
to
predict
all
the
different
circumstances
when
we
may
want
to
use
something
and
then
put
those
in
there
as
allowable
uses
and
so
right
having
that
language
then
allows
us
to
utilize
certain
tools
in
situations
where
the
decision
is
is
on
the
fly
so
nonetheless,
I
I
don't
think
we
need
to
come
to
some
specific
answers
today.
M
I
do
think
that
it's
worthwhile
to,
rather
than
just
an
info
memo
to
have
this
come
back
as
a
discussion.
For
example,
mayor
sacramento
actually
does
in
there
in
their
their
document
that
they
have
now
released
on
military
equipment,
use
the
same
document
that
we're
talking
about
today.
They
actually
did
refer
to
specific
policies
in
their
duty
manual,
some
of
their
use
of
force
policies
like
they
have
one
on
the
lrad.
I
don't
believe
we
have
one.
I
was
looking
for
one
in
our
duty
manual.
I
couldn't
find
it.
M
Do
we
not
have
the
lrad
right?
We
don't
have
that
yet.
So
I
think
that's
something
you
were
talking
about
right
lieutenant.
You
can
add
that
into
the
duty
manual
and
then
you
could
take
a
step
further
and
then
refer
to
that
in
our
military
equipment
use
policy
similar
to
what
sacramento
did
so.
I
I
think
again.
M
I
I
appreciate
the
conversation
I
think
there's
some
some
good
work
and-
and
this
document
may
not
be
complete,
would
we
come
back
to
counsel
with
this
versus
a
committee
or
or
I
don't
know,
if
was.
K
Yes
mayor
it
was,
this
item
is
going
to
piss
fizz
and
then
for
a
referral
to
the
full
council,
but
it
would
go
to
his
fizz
first,
that's
my
understanding
of
the
policy.
M
Okay-
and
I
know
that
you
know
there
could
be
some
changes
that
are
done
sooner
than
a
year,
so
if
if
they
could
be
done
and
we
can
bring
something
back
to
his
face
within
a
few
months
and
and
then
you
know
make
make
those
changes
throughout
the
year,
I
think
we
heard
that
in
the
beginning
of
the
presentation
right
that
you
were
saying
likely,
this
need
to
come
back
more
than
just
once
a
year
anyways.
So
I
I
look
forward
to
that.
As
that
comes
forward.
C
J
D
Hi,
thank
you
all
right.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Gentlemen.
I've
completely
eviscerated
any
schedule
that
was
announced
with
regard
to
lunch.
I
don't
want
to
propose,
since
it's
now
123
I
just
didn't
want
to
hold
up
our
brass
because
I
know
they've
got
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
things.
To
do
right
now
in
the
city
would
suggest
that
we
take
a
break
at
1
30
and
go
till
two
that
be
appropriate.
D
Okay,
we'll
do
that
and
we'll.
I
think
we
have
a
couple
of
quick
items
we
can
cover
on
road
resurfacing.
Actually,
folks
aren't
here.
Are
they?
Why
don't
we
just
go
to
lunch?
Oh
john's
here,
okay,
all
right,
we
don't
have
any
presentation.
So
why
don't
we
see
if
we
can
knock
a
couple
of
these
out
quickly?
5.1
is
pavement
a
resurfacing
project
on
stevens
creek
in
winchester.
D
Okay,
there's
one
member
of
the
public
catherine.
B
C
D
Going
to
take
item
5.2
and
5.3
together,
these
are
two
resurfacing
projects.
Number
five
and
number
six
is
they're
affectionately
referred
to
by
the
d.o.t
for
a
whole
lot
of
streets.
I
remove
approval
of
5.25
seconds.
All
right,
there's
been
a
motion
for
council
member
cohen.
Anybody
in
the
community
like
to
speak.