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City of San José, California
City Council meeting of September 15, 2020.
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A
Hey,
thank
you.
So
we're
going
to
return
to
public
comment
for
a
moment
sean.
I
know
you
attempted
to
speak,
but
your
device
wasn't
working
so
we're
just
going
to
go
to
you
and
then
we're
going
to
come
right
back
to
council.
I
believe
you're,
the
person
with
the
phone
number
ending
6910.
D
Okay,
where's
eddie
where's
the
buck,
stop
an
empty
desk.
Is
he
just
gonna
hide
and
vacay
until
his
retirement?
According
to
their
own
report,
they
had
poor
intel,
were
poorly
trained,
were
poorly
trained,
tuckered
out
and
responded
poorly
simultaneously
they're
trying
to
prep
and
justify
future
purchase,
requests
for
aircraft
command
vans
and
lvad.
They
continually
use
the
word
riot,
but
never
justify
its
use,
nor
nor
do
they
provide
any
video
evidence
of
a
riot.
D
They
use
it
because
it
evokes
violent
imagery
and
that
fits
their
narrative,
which
is
pure
fiction.
They
also
try
to
deflect
blame
by
saying
they
still
haven't
recovered
from
being
gutted
by
sam's
idiotic
measure
b.
They
did
suffer
a
great
deal,
however,
that
doesn't
negate
the
poor
training
poor,
intel,
poor
judgment,
racism
and
essentially
armed
chicken
little
liberalism.
D
I
was
hit
by
police
after
identifying
myself
as
a
legal
observer.
I
was
shot
as
a
clearly
identifiable
legal
observer
struck
three
times
and
I
was
arrested
because
I
was
legally
observing
all
their
shenanigans.
There's
nothing
on
legal
observers.
That
report
does
eddie
still
not
know
what
they
are.
Someone
does
I
was
intentionally
shot.
I
am
still
bruised
going
through
physical
therapy
and
my
ptsd
is
off
the
charts.
A
group
of
us
from
throughout
the
city
really
wanted
to
talk
to
council
members
about
our
experiences
and
suggestions.
D
Prior
to
this
meeting,
we
started
requesting
time
in
june.
Councilmember
esparza
never
responded
to
nearly
a
dozen
emails
council
member
crossgo's
office
finally
made
a
meeting
two
weeks
ago
and
then
cut
it
in
half
at
the
last
minute,
forcing
us
to
cancel
council
member
erranus
staff
responded
last
week,
letting
you
know
she
wouldn't
be
available.
Being
tough
in
meetings
is
nice,
but
not
making
time
to
meet
with
people
greatly
affected
by
the
issues,
make
sure
words
hollow,
and
I
know
we're
going
through
covet
and
fires,
I'm
getting
related
supplies
to
camps.
D
D
Rubber
bullets
didn't
balance
into
shantae's
apartment.
They
were
fired
intentionally
by
angry,
poorly
trained
cops,
the
same
kind
of
cops
who
intentionally
shot
a
bunch
of
other
peaceful
people,
rubber
bullets
and
the
metal
filled.
Socks
must
be
banned
in
every
situation.
They
have
proven
they
can't
use
them
appropriately
in
hotel
hallways
with
two
people,
let
alone
large
protest
situations.
D
I
am
asking
again,
where
are
all
the
videos
to
back
up
their
war
zone?
Narrative,
even
the
videos
they
just
released,
don't
back
up
their
narrative,
where's
all
the
frozen
water
bottles
and
rocks
raining
down
on
them,
where
the
guy,
when
they
asked
the
guy
boarding
up
the
bank?
If
anyone
tried
to
break
in,
he
says
no,
but
they
still
insist
on
claiming
it
with
an
attempted
bank
robbery.
As
for
their
bruises,
how
many
are
the
results
of
them
overreacting
and
beating
the
crap
out
of
people?
D
I
am
sick
of
their
victimhood
narratives
sjpd
became
terrorists
that
day
they
escalated
violence.
They
lied
to
create
a
narrative
that
justified
their
own
violence.
They
must
be
held
accountable.
They
must
have
their
dangerous
toys
taken
away.
They
must
not
be
given
new
alternative
toys
and
they
must
not
be
given
new
war.
Toys
like
elba
had
a
helicopter
a
command
ban.
I
want
to
remind
folks
the
distrust
of
sjpd
didn't
begin
in
march
and
they've.
Certainly
given
us
plenty
of
I'm
almost
done
plenty
of
reasons
since
march,
which
is
only
solidified.
A
Okay,
return
to
the
council,
I
believe
councilmember
foley
you're
next.
E
Thank
you.
This
we've
had,
since
the
protests
began
in
late
may
and
over
the
last
few
months,
we've
had
a
lot
of
time
to
contemplate
what
occurred,
and
now
we
have
the
preliminary
after
action
report.
E
Nevertheless,
the
strategy
used
that
day
resulted
in
injuries
and
potentially
heightened
a
very
stressful
situation
that
was
beginning
to
occur.
I
wasn't
down
there,
I
wasn't
at
the
protest.
I
wasn't
there
to
see
whether
they
were
at
what
how
they
turn
from
peaceful
to
non-peaceful
protests,
but
they
were
protests
in
my
eyes
and
not
riots,
watching
the
videos
that
night
at
five
o'clock
and
then
on
and
watching
the
videos
the
next
few
days
in
other
cities
and
how
other
police
departments
were
handling
it.
It
made
me
sad.
E
F
Hi,
thank
you.
So
when
we
get
a
internal
affairs
complaint,
we
have
per
the
statute
a
year
to
complete
that
complete
it.
That's
just
for
the
statute.
We
have.
Our
intention
is
to
expedite
those
investigations
regarding
this
incident.
However,
some
of
those
internal
affairs
investigations
are
tied
up
in
either
criminal
or
civil
litigation,
which
tolls
the
administrative
investigation.
E
Okay,
I
appreciate
that
and
I
I
I
don't
expect
any
really
anything
more
than
that
chief,
but
I'm
hoping
it
won't
take
a
year.
I
don't
think
our
public
or
I
don't
think
this
council
can
wait
a
year
before
we
find
out
what
happened
and
whether
it
and
what's
going
to
happen
and
I'm
not
saying
he's
guilty
as
charged.
I
saw
the
videos
they
were
pretty
damaging,
but
I
saw
one
video
I
wasn't
down
on
the
ground.
I
don't
know
so
I
I
know
a
full
report
is
being
done.
E
Investigation
as
it
should
be
for
both
for
two
for
both
sides
involved.
I
want
to
reiterate
one
other
comment
and
that
is
the
protesters
versus
prisoners.
I
know
you've
commented
about
this
and
I
commented
about
this
a
couple
months
ago
when
you
first
brought
this
to
our
attention.
E
The
protesters
are
not
prisoners,
but
they
were
treated
like
prisoners
and
we've
already
discussed
the
lessons
learned
about
dropping
them
off
at
the
great
mall
from
sap
and
how
inappropriate
that
was
when
they
don't
have
transportation.
Buses
has
stopped,
so
we
don't.
I
don't
really
have
any
questions.
Captain
dwyer
or
chief
north
or
chief
tyndall
for
that
matter
on
that,
because
you've
already
answered
them,
but
I
just
wanted
to
also
register
my
concern
about
the
use
of
the
terminology
prisoners
versus
protesters.
E
I
understand
where
you're
coming
from
but
understand
in
my
eyes
these
were
protesters
and
many
of
them
were
arrested
because
of
curfew
violations
which
turned
out
to
be
not
curfew.
Violations
because
we
wait,
we
wait,
I
mean
they
were,
but
we
waived
those
from
the
members
of
the
public.
I
heard
the
terminology
that
I
just
wanted
to
echo
earlier.
This
year
we
were
hearing
defund
the
police,
and
then
we
came
back
as
a
council
with
or
we
started
to
say.
E
Well,
no,
you
really
mean
reform
and
I
understand
that
reform
doesn't
go
anywhere
with
members
of
the
community,
because
the
word
reform
has
been
used
for
years
and
years
and
you're
not
seeing
reform.
But
I
heard
a
set
of
words
that
I
really
liked
and
was
impressed
with,
and
I
think
they
were,
I
think,
packed
the
beloved
community
used
it
and
that
is
reimagine
and
rest
restructured
public
safety,
and
I
love
the
way.
E
That
sounds
because
that's
what
we're
really
talking
about
we're
not
talking
about
defunding
the
police,
we're
not
talking
about
reforms,
although
in
a
general
sense
we
are
we're
talking
about
reimagining
what
we
can
do,
I'm
really
confused
still
about
the
rubber
bullets,
but
I'm
not
sure
you
can
answer
any
questions
other
than
yeah.
I
heard
repeatedly
that
your
recommendation
and
in
the
manual
you
are
no
longer
authorizing
use
of
the
rubber
bullets,
is
a
crowd
control
tool.
Is
that
correct?
Did
I
hear
that
correctly.
G
Hi,
council
member,
this
is
captain
dwyer.
Yes,
that's
correct,
so
I
to
see,
if
I
can
clear
some
of
the
fog
there's
a
difference
between
firing
out
an
individual
intending
to
target
that
individual
and
firing
projectile
impact
weapons
to
try
to
compel
a
crowd
to
move
or
disperse
one
is
aimed
at
a
warm
body
at
a
person,
and
in
this
case
those
would
be
violent
protesters
who
were
attacking
police
with
flying
projectiles.
The
other
one
is
a
large
crowd
where
we're
firing
those
rounds
into
the
ground
or
off
of
similar
surfaces.
G
We
no
longer
allow
the
projectile
impact
weapons,
any
projectile
impact
weapons,
whether
it's
a
40
millimeter,
a
37
millimeter
or
a
stun
bag
to
fire
those
into
the
ground
and
try
and
compel
the
crowd
by
firing
projectiles
anywhere
to
move
so
that'll
be
other
means,
that's
basically
a
dispersal
order.
What
we're
talking
about
here
is
having
the
capability
to
defend
against
attacks
from
violent
protesters
through
the
existing
projectile
impact
weapon
policy,
which
allows
for
that.
E
Okay,
can
I
ask
a
question
about
training
with
the
projectiles
and
what
kind
of
training
is
involved
with
the
officers?
How
many
hours
of
training
do
all
those
officers
get
and
all
are
all
of
the
officers
trained.
G
So
everybody
who
carries
a
projectile
impact
weapon
is
required
by
the
state
to
have
training
in
that
platform.
I
can't
speak
to
the
number
of
hours
because
I
don't
teach
it
and
I'm
not
a
member
of
the
training
unit.
So
that
would
be
a
specific
question.
I
don't
want
to
misspeak
and
give
you
inaccurate
information.
I
think
that's
something
that
we
can
definitely
report
back
on,
but
everybody
who
carries
either
a
40,
millimeter
or
a
stun
back
shotgun
is
required
to
be
trained
to
carry
either
of
them.
G
E
G
And
then
there
were
225
stun
back
shotguns
again
there
were
not
225
officers
with
stun
back
shotguns.
That's
just
the
number
that
we
have
available
to
us.
E
Okay,
and
so
every
officer
who
was
out
there,
holding
the
line
or
trying
to
maintain
control,
did
not
have
the
weapons
that
you're
talking
about
correct.
G
The
majority
did
not
most
of
the
officers
that
were
out
there
had
batons
generally
projectile
impact
weapons
are
carried
by
officers
behind
the
skirmish
line
in
support
of
the
officers
that
actually
are
dealing
with
protesters
and
are
armed
with
hardwood
batons.
E
And
and
those
carrying
the
projectile,
what
do
they
call.
E
Piw,
are
they
more
experienced
officers.
G
I
don't
know
that
I
mean
every
officer's
experience.
Level
is
going
to
be
different.
You
know
it's
not.
It
wouldn't
be
uncommon
for
a
one-year
officer
to
have
been
trained
on
that
weapon
to
be
issued
that
weapon
and
carry
that
weapon
to
patrol
and
we'll
be
working
right
next
to
an
officer
with
20
years.
On
the
job
I
mean
on
the
day
that
the
officers
graduate
the
academy
they're
carrying
loaded
handguns.
E
These
questions
and
trying
to
understand
is
because
you
mentioned
something
that
I
hadn't
actually
thought
about,
and
but
I'm
I'm
glad
to
hear
that
you
are,
is
the
results
of
the
election
and
that
we
are
going
to
see
protests
very
likely
one
way
or
the
other.
E
So
in
a
little
bit,
I'm
going
to
ask
you
all
what
are
your
lessons
learned
and
how,
without
going
into
any
specific
tactics
which
you
may
not
want
to,
but
how
are
you
going
to
maintain
control
when
the
protests
occur
as
a
result
of
the
election,
because
I
hadn't
thought
about
that.
But
when
you
mentioned
it,
I
thought
that
makes
perfect
sense
that
we
may
be
seeing
that.
So
so
think
about
that
for
a
minute,
because
I
am
going
to
ask
you
that.
E
I'm
just
going
through
my
questions
because
most
of
them
have
been
answered.
Oh,
I
do
have
a
question.
I
too
didn't
notice
or
wasn't
aware
of
the
verbal
abuse
that
some
of
the
officers
were
taking.
I
hadn't
heard
that,
but
then
captain
dwyer,
you
also
mentioned
about
the
stress
that
some
of
the
officers
were
are
suffering
now
as
a
result.
E
G
We
do
have
a
crisis
management
unit
that
the
phone
numbers
and
the
services
that
are
available
to
officers
has
been
kind
of
a
recurring
theme.
We
we
continue
to
push
that
information
out
and
make
it
known
that
hey
there
is
help.
I
will
say
one
of
your
callers
earlier.
I
know
her.
I
have
spoken
to
her
about
it.
G
I
actually
spoken
I've
spoken
to
her
about
post-traumatic
stress
and
the
effects
that
it
has
had
on
her,
and
then
she
listened,
as
I
told
her,
the
effects
that
it
has
had
on
me
in
my
family
and
they
are
not
insignificant
without
getting
too
deep
into
the
weeds.
I
will
just
say:
I'm
sure
there
are
people
on
on
both
sides
of
this
issue
that
well,
that
was
a
very
impactful
time
in
all
of
our
lives
and
the
officers
definitely
have
services
available
to
them.
G
I
speak
to
I'm
right
down
the
hall
from
the
sergeant
in
our
crisis
management
unit.
I
speak.
I
spoke
to
him
today
and
they
they
are
not
overwhelmed,
but
they
are
extremely
busy
right
now
and
they
are
doing
their
best
to
make
sure
everybody
gets
the
help
that
they
need.
Our
officers
are
seeking
out
help.
G
Some
of
them
probably
do
have
post-traumatic
stress
as
a
result
of
this-
and
you
know,
the
kind
of
the
underlying
theme
here
is
not
only
do
they
have
the
services
available
to
them,
but
they
know
in
a
couple
of
months
they
might
be
back
in
the
same
boat
on
the
same
streets,
dealing
with
the
same
agitators.
G
That
is
not
a
pleasant
thought
for
them
and
it
bothers
them.
So
the
there
are.
There
are
different
programs
and
different
outlets
and
if
they,
if
they're,
not
if
they're,
in
a
position
where
they
feel
that
they
do
need
help
it's
it's.
G
It's
put
out
very,
very
clearly
through
our
chain
of
command
from
the
chief
on
down
that
we're
here,
for
you
we're
here
to
help
you.
If
you
need
services,
all
you
have
to
do
is
say
the
word.
We
will
definitely
connect
you
with
whatever
services
you
need.
So
there
are
tools
for
the
officers
to
receive
kind
of
like
a
decompression.
After
all
of
this.
E
Great,
thank
you
dave
tyndall.
Did
you
have
something
you
wanted
to
say
you
look
like
you
were
getting
ready
to
touch
where
I
got
it.
Okay,
the
re.
I
asked
that
question
because
there
is
the
next
thing
will
be
down
the
line.
E
The
officers
will
be
down
on
this
out
on
the
streets
and
while
it
may
not
be
a
pro
protest
that
they're
responding
to
it's
a
neighbor
in
crisis
that
they're
dealing
with
so
to
me
to
ensure
that
they
are
mentally
as
strong
as
possible
and
and
get
the
service,
they
need
to
maintain
that
mental
strength
is
really
important.
We
are
all
going
through
a
lot
of
a
lot
we
have.
We
are
all
going
through
crisis.
E
E
And
again
I
wasn't
at
the
protest,
but
I
can
imagine
the
ptsd
that
sean
mentioned
earlier,
because
we
it's
it's
real
and
we're
all
feeling
some
level
of
anxiety
as
a
result
of
everything
that's
been
going
on
in
in
our
world
around
us
and
it
won't
end
until
the
election
is
over
and
and
we'll
see
what
happens
even
then
not
to
not
to
get
overly
political
about
that.
So
I'm
really
glad
to
hear
that
there
is
counseling
and
that
there's
services
available.
That's
really
important.
E
The
the
protests
are
one
one
component
of
the
police
work
that
we
are
that's
what
we're
talking
about
right
now,
but
our
residents
want
our
police
to
be
healthy
and
active
and
and
available
when
they
call
for
that
break-in
or
when
they
call
for
that
that
drive-by
shooting
that
has
just
occurred
in
their
neighborhood.
So
we
need
our
police
to
be
out
there
and
we
need
them
to
know
that
they
are
supported.
E
But
we
also
need
the
protesters
to
know
that
we
listen
to
them
and
that
we're
very
concerned
and
will
take
the
action
necessary
at
the
council
level
to
change
policies.
And
you
already
have
to
some
degree
in
the
manual
and
some
of
the
things
that
you're
modifying
in
in
the
manual,
so
the
last
thing
is
is
so
what's
the
lessons
learned,
what
have
you
learned
from
this?
E
H
So
councilmember
foley
I'll
actually
answer
this
portion
of
it,
and
I
do
want
to
clear
up,
because
I
know
that
they're
when
we're
talking
about
prisoner.
H
I
would
like
to
actually
put
the
context
in
that,
because,
generally,
when
we
refer
to
prisoner
and
specifically,
what
we
were
talking
about
before
was
the
prisoner
transport,
which
really
comes
from
the
state
prison
system
and
from
the
jail
system,
because
they're
called
prisoners
transports
and
even
with
our
wagons
they're
called
prisoner
transports,
we
do,
I
would
say,
not
routinely
call
our
in
custodies
or
arrest
these
prisoners
so
really
comes
in
context
of
what
we're
doing
with
them,
and
it's
a
wagon,
a
prisoner
transport
wagon,
a
prisoner
transport
bus,
and
a
lot
of
that
is
just
vernacular.
H
That's
used
by
the
sheriff's
department
and
it's
kind
of
where
that
comes
along
from
that
portion
of
it.
In
regards
to
the
what
are
we
doing,
because
I
think
it
is
a
very
good
question.
It's
certain
certainly
something
we're
throwing
around
one
thing
I
do
want
to
cover
before.
I
specifically
answer
that
question.
H
What
we're
doing
now
is,
I
do
want
to
because
it's
it's
coming
up
as
far
as
the
training
portion
of
it-
and
one
thing
I
will
say,
is
you
by
far
have
one
of
the
best
trained
police
departments
in
the
nation
and
that's
hands
down
from
what
our
training
our
trainers,
go
and
teach
in
other
parts
of
the
state
and
other
parts
of
the
nation
they
go
to
places
and
they
look
about
what's
going
on,
and
I
will
tell
you
our
heads
hands
and
feet
above
what
a
lot
of
other
agencies
are
doing.
H
I
think
when
we
talk
about
training
in
this
specific
document
is
what
we're
talking
about
with
crowd
control,
as
chief
nof
talked
about
before
we
are
not
a
city
of
violence.
When
it
comes
to
protests,
we
are
not
a
city
of
riots,
it's
something
that
we
don't
and
have
really
not
prepared
for.
H
So
we
talk
specifically
about
the
training
aspect
of
that
it
is
in
response
to
that,
and
certainly
we
have
been
trained
and
certainly
our
officers
are
trained
and
go
through
both
the
police
academy,
but
it
certainly
was
something
based
on
our
young
workforce
that
they
have
not
dealt
with
and
or
that
we
have
not
had
the
time
to
kind
of
bring
them
up,
and
it
certainly
was
something
for
us
that
have
been
around
for
well
over
25
years
in
this
job
that
we
have
not
seen
and
experienced,
and
so
a
lot
of
our
younger
officers
that
were
out
there
with
less
experience,
had
even
less
experience
than
that.
H
So
what
we're
doing
now?
We've
already
started
as
far
as
the
training
aspect
of
it
small
modules,
I've
already
started
with
team
training
and
with
group
training
as
part
of
our
roll
call
training.
You
know
it's
a
little
harder
with
kovid,
because
we
are
decentralized
and
a
lot
of
our
officers
are
out
in
the
field,
but
we're
bringing
them
in
to
do
that.
But
the
one
thing
that
we
run
into
training
there
is
a
fiscal
component
to
it,
because
we
are
a
lean
police
department.
H
We
are.
Our
police
department
does
not
have
a
lot
of
extra
officers,
so
when
we
bring
officers
in
for
training
no
matter
what
it
is,
whether
barrier
continues
police
training
or
any
type
of
training,
we're
really
pulling
either
officers
off
of
the
street
or
paying
in
an
overtime
and
obviously
there's
a
fiscal
component
to
the
overtime
portion
of
it.
So
we
try
to
do
this
as
much
as
we
can
on
on
duty
hours,
but
we're
very
limited
in
how
we
can
do
that
moving
forward.
H
We
are
and
there's
with
the
sheriff's
department
mobile
field
force,
so
we
are
continuing
to
engage
that
and
we're
really
rewriting
the
met.
The
manual
on
deployment
crowd
deployment
tactics
when
it
comes
to
that
how
we
deploy
all
these
different
things.
We're
not
waiting
for
this
report
to
come
out.
Things
have
already
started
an
anticipation
of
either
further
protests
that
we
may
have
to
deal
with
and
or
dealing
with
what
we
may
be
with
the
presidential
election.
E
Great,
I
appreciate
that
and
thank
you
for
clarifying
that
the
training
was
around
crowd,
control
and
not
necessarily
in
other
areas.
I
I
appreciate
all
of
your
responses
and
I
appreciate
the
work
that
you
were
doing
and
the
self-analysis
the
real,
difficult
self-analysis
that
you're
doing
and
with
that
I
will
yield.
A
Arenas,
oh
I'm
sorry,
I
think
councilman
depp
was
in
front,
but
I
have
a
feeling.
Counselor
is
just
not
casamayor
iranis.
Are
you
up
here.
I
Yes,
I'm
able
to
hear
sorry
sure.
Well,
I
don't
want
to
skip
council
member
dip,
but
if
he's
okay,
I
will.
I
I
I
I
do
want
to
go
over
some
of
some
of
the
missing
information
or
some
of
the
missing
questions
that
I
had.
But
before
I
begin,
I
just
want
to
acknowledge
that.
I
I
understand
that
this
pro
these
kinds
of
protests
and
this
protest
was
not
going
to
have
a
good
ending
by
no
means
it
was
a
protest
against
police,
and
so
in
you
know,
I
don't
know
that
we
thought
this
far
ahead
to
say
you
know
we're
sending
our
police
officers
to
the
lion's
den
here
I
put
myself
in
the
same
position
and
think
that
if
I
had
to
go
out
into
a
protest,
certainly
about
me
or
our
council
colleagues
and
mayor
that
I
would
you
know,
quickly
get
defensive
and
although
you
know
I
don't
have
any
other,
I
I
don't
have
any
other
weapon
other
than
then
then
some
jokes
in
my
in
my
tool
box.
I
That's
a
that's
all
I
could
do
right,
and
so
I
I
I
really.
I
want
to
start
off
by
just
acknowledging
it
and,
and-
and
you
know
I
know
that-
there's
a
lot
in
this
report
that
we
can
all
learn
from.
Certainly
our
our
police
department
is
doing
that.
Our
chief
is
doing
that
I've.
I
I've
said
in
the
past,
and
I've
shared
with
all
of
you
and
for
those
of
you
who
haven't
heard
me
before
I,
I
treat
our
police
department
and
the
policies
that
are
within
the
police
department,
like
I
would
my
sister
and
that's
because
she's
a
police
officer
in
another
municipality.
I
She
was
also
out
there
in
the
protest,
and
she
also
shared
with
me
how
different
items,
including
frozen
bottles
and
things
of
that
sort
in
a
she's
in
a
city,
much
much
livelier
than
ours,
and
so
I
thought
about
how
would
I
respond
to
our
police
officers,
knowing
that
I
want
to
be
as
protective
as
I
can
and
think
about
the
sisters
and
the
brothers
and
the
fathers
and
the
mothers
of
all
of
you
and
the
children
that
you
all
have
and
and
that
demand
from
your
families
to
also
protect
you,
and
so
I,
I
think,
there's
a
fine
line
between
you
know
what
we're
all
talking
about
and
trying
to
figure
out
what
are
the
best
tools
here.
I
This
is,
this
is
a
movement
that
black
lives
matter-
movement
that
has
begun
years
and
years
ago,
and
I
think,
as
a
city
we've
all
always
been
very
secure
in
that
we
are
a
safe
city,
but
I
think
that
also
provides
some
level
of
protection,
maybe
negativity
in
our
belief
that
none
of
that
will
happen
here,
but
it
does
and
it
will-
and
it
did
right
and
so
unfortunately,
at
this
point
we
have
to
figure
out
what
is
it
that
we
need
to
do?
I
What
did
we
do?
What
did
we
learn
from
this,
and
so
in
in,
as
I
was
reading
through
the
report
and
won't
mention
all
the
items
that
have
already
been
mentioned?
I
think
you
know
the
the
training
and
not
having
enough
police
officers,
but
also
trying
to
figure
out
what's
the
right
tool
to
use
to
suppress
what
is
happening
out
in
the
streets,
because
you
are
all
in
the
line
of
fire.
I
So
I'm
I'm
acutely
aware
that
I
do
have
to
you
know,
as
I
just
want
to
state
and
and
I'll
support.
The
motion.
That's
on
the
floor
in
terms
of
making
sure
that
we
avoid
using
rubber
bullets
in
in
a
crowd.
I
think
that.
I
Even
though
we,
I
think,
there's
police
officers
who
who
might
have
had
some
injuries,
there's,
certainly
not
the
same
type
of
weapons
that
our
residents
used
right.
There
wasn't
a
gun
involved,
you
know
they
might
have
really
damaged
some
police
officers
and
I
believe
in
those
injuries
and
the
morale
is
even
something
that
we
can't
really
repair.
I
There's
no
occupational
therapy
for
that,
and
so
I
I
just
don't
know
that
we're
on
the
same
level
here
in
terms
of
you
know,
if
you
feel
threatened,
what
could
we
have
done
and
one
of
the
things
that
that
stood
out
in
the
report
for
me
was
that-
and
I
know
this
might
seem
a
little
militant,
but
I
thought
you
know
with
the
shields
that
were
suggested
in
here.
I
thought
well,
this
could
have
avoided.
I
Maybe
some
of
those
items
that
were
thrown
at
our
police
officers
maybe
lessen
some
of
the
agitation
on
their
end.
You
know
that
there
was
a
lot
of
protest
against
you,
but
not
it's
not
you.
It's
the
those
police
officers
who
created
and
the
situation
for
for
all
of
us
across
the
us
and
and
certainly
in
our
city,
and
so
I
thought
you
know
without
being
without
having
all
of
the
militant
look
of
it,
but
at
least
the
protection
of
a
shield.
I
I
thought
that
would
certainly
be
something
that
hopefully
we
could
do
before
this
process
has
ended
and
before
the
elections
come
the
results
of
the
elections,
because
I
think
you
are
all
very
correct
in
approximating
that
there
will
be.
I
There
won't
be
satisfaction
on
one
side
or
the
other,
whoever
wins
or
loses
it.
It
won't
matter.
There
will
be
some
protests,
and
so
we
were.
We
are
going
to
have
to
address
that
at
that
point
it
won't
be
against
the
police
department,
and
so
I
think
that
we
also
have
to
consider
when
the
protests
are
against
our
police
department,
that
we
take
certain
considerations
and
bring
in
other
folks
into
the
de-escalation.
I
And
for
me,
what
was
missing
in
the
report
was
more
discussion
about
the
de-escalation
and
the
de-escalation
was
only
mentioned.
As
a
result
of
you
know,
some
of
these
protests
teetering
out,
but
not
necessarily
because
of
a
certain
strategy.
Maybe
all
of
the
strategies
that
you
all
use
together
collectively
teetered
out
some
of
the
protests
or
you
know
our
protesters
were
tired
or
who,
for
whatever
reason,
but
those
that
was
de-escalated,
and
so
I
think,
back
to
some
of
the
most
difficult
times
in
our
country.
I
Certainly
when
there's
previous
civil
unrest
and
there's
always,
of
course,
faith
leaders,
we
tried
civic
leaders
and
human
rights
leaders.
I
think
at
this
point
I
only
heard
you
say
you
connected
with
a
naacp
leader.
I
think
we
also
need
to
figure
out
who
else
would
be
good
to
bring
in,
and
I
thought
about,
certainly
after
martin
luther
king's
death,
there
I
I
know
this
is
difficult
to
implore
at
this
point,
because
we
have
a
pandemic
on
top
of
all
of
this.
I
But
you
know
there
was
a
lot
of
free
concerts
out
in
the
streets
to
de-escalate
some
of
the
violence
in
the
streets,
and
that
did
happen
in
some
of
the
major
cities
we
did
they.
They
did
see.
De-Escalation-
and
I'm
not
saying
you
know
we're
gonna.
I
I
also
thought
about
our
art
and
cultural
office
and
the
role
that
they
may
play.
There's
also
cities
who
who've
stood
up
murals
that
people
could
paint
over
expressing
whatever
it
is
that
they
want
to
express,
there's,
also,
of
course,
sermons
and
outdoor
church
sermons
that
that
we
could
have
employed.
I
think
we
needed
to
fill
it
up
the
space
versus
the
protesters
filling
up
the
space
for
themselves.
I
I
don't
know
that
this
is
going
to
be
the
last
time.
It's
not
going
to
be
the
last
time.
I
know
that
this
is
not
going
to
be
the
last
time,
so
I
think
that
we
need
to
anticipate
with
the
different
departments
that
we
have
at
our
disposal,
and
so
ultimately,
it
leads
me
back
to
the
office
of
race
and
equity
and
I
think
about
their
role
in
all
of
this.
As
you
are
standing,
this
department
up
dave
and
what
would
their
role
be
right?
I
What
what
could
their
role
be?
And
I
think
that
it,
the
the
question,
is
so
open
that
and
we
could
take
this
any
which
way,
but
I
think
what
people
were
looking
for.
Is
that
exchange,
and
I
think
many
of
you-
I
don't
know
if
it
was
you
jason
or
or
dave
nov.
I
That
said
that
you
had,
I
think
it
was
you
jason
who
had
some
personal
interactions
with
folks,
and
you
know
it
was
like
a
20-minute
discussion
between
people
and
there's,
no
way
that
that
you,
as
an
officer
or
in
the
line
of
duty,
excuse
me
that
you
would
be
able
to
have
these
20-minute
discussions
with
every
group
of
protesters
as
they
churned
in
and
out
from
from
activity.
G
Yes,
I
think
that
anytime,
we
have
an
opportunity
to
de-escalate
and
connect
and
start
even
in
the
middle
of
all
everything
that
was
going
on
out
there.
This
was
a
static
situation,
as
I
mentioned
before,
where
the
officers
were
standing
on
a
skirmish
line,
but
there
was
no
violence,
nothing
was
being
thrown
the
reality.
Is
it
it's
always
a
good
idea
to
try
and
engage
and
start
a
dialogue
and
just
give
them
a
voice
and
listen
to
what
they
have
to
say
as
well.
G
G
G
G
Yes,
it
was
my
decision
not
to
do
that,
and
that
was
at
1400
hours.
It
wasn't
until
two
and
a
half
three
hours
later
that
things
were
completely
out
of
control,
so
the
de-escalation
tactic
was
in
place
and
that
was
to
not
force
a
confrontation,
and
that
was
early
on
that's
from
a
tactical
mobile
field
force
standpoint.
G
But
to
your
point
I
do
agree
strongly
with
you.
In
that
I
had.
I
took
a
knee
with
protesters
on
fourth
street
that
was
well
documented.
It
was
all
over
the
news,
it
was
all
over
social
media
and
I
didn't
care
what
anybody
thought
about
it.
It
was
the
right
thing
to
do
at
the
time
and
I
gave
them
a
voice,
and
that
was
the
moment
that
prompted
that
officer
that
I
mentioned
earlier
to
send
me
that
email,
because
she
saw
the
compassion
she
saw,
that
both
sides
were
hurting.
G
The
officers
were
fatigued
a
tremendously
stressful
environment
for
for
everybody
out
there,
and
so,
when
you
have
the
opportunity
to
go
up
and
not
only
shield,
your
officer
from
the
verbal
assault
that
they
were
getting
because
of
the
color
of
their
skin,
but
also
the
opportunity
to
open
the
door
for
hey.
You
know
we're
all
kind
of
in
this.
Together,
we
don't
agree
with
what
happened
in
minnesota,
we're
with
you.
G
We
hear
you,
you
know
we're
we're
listening
to
you
that
we're
not
tone
deaf
and
just
because
all
this
stuff
happened.
We
didn't
roll
out
of
bed
this
morning
thinking
this
was
ever
going
to
happen,
but
it
did
happen.
But
we
we're
still
listening,
we're
not
going
to
plug
our
ears
and
we
hope
that
we
can
come
to
some
peaceful
resolution
and
then
eventually,
after
about
three
days,
things
kind
of
mellowed
out.
I
Right-
and
so
I
I
I
think,
we
we
need
to
capitalize
on
the
resources
that
we
have,
as
you
all
know,
that
we
probably
will
be
struggling
for
many
years
with
our
budgets,
and
so
you
have
already
the
the
capital
here
in
terms
of
people
like
yourself,
jason,
who
are
when
they're
out
in
front
of
other
people
can
be
as
compassionate
and
empathetic
to
their
needs,
despite
seeing
maybe
rage
in
their
eyes
because
of
what
is
happening
to
people
of
color
or
themselves
or
a
family
member
or
somebody
that
they
knew
somewhere
in
our
country,
in
another
city
or
or
in
our
city.
I
Perhaps-
and
so
I
I
don't
want
us
to
discount
what
we
already
have,
and
I
think
that
is
a
resource
and-
and
I
would
like
for
us
to
think
about
when
we
have
our
next
protest-
that
that
is
part
of
the
de-escalation
built
into
our
response
is
to
I
know
our
city
manager.
I
I
think,
calls
them
listening
sessions
right
and
and
and
there's
a
lot
of
value
and
there's
there's
a
lot
of
strength
and
and
and
a
lot
of
movement
can
happen
there.
Now
you
know
it's
not
going
to
satisfy
everybody,
because
ultimately
they
want
rules
to
change.
They
want
policies
to
change.
I
want
to
see
the
rules
change
as
well,
especially
those
that
have
been
antiquated,
and
so
I
just
like
to
just
put
that
in
your
ear.
I
In
terms
of
the
de-escalation,
I
heard
all
of
the
items
that
you
mentioned.
I
think
it
was
to
council
members
five
so
who
had
asked
about
de-escalation
strategies
and-
and
I
I
heard
all
of
those-
and
so
I
I
don't
know
that
you
know
looking
back-
we
we
always
think
we
we
could
have
had.
We
could
have
done
something
better.
We
could
have
used
some
another
tool,
but
I
I
I
don't
know
what
the
perfect
tool
would
have
been
to
disperse
to
reduce
tensions.
I
I
You
know,
and
all
of
that
all
of
that
rage
and
all
of
that
anger
and
all
of
that
energy
is,
you
know,
propelled
on
to
you
in
this
protest,
and
I
I
see
how
unfair
that
is,
but
this
is
part
of
our
residents
first
amendment
right
to
protest,
unfortunately,
even
to
protest
against
you
right,
I'm
not
saying
it's
a
perfect
scenario,
but
I
thought
about
how
about
our
community
service
officers
would
we
employ
them
to
bring
them
in
to
do?
I
I
don't
know
something
else
before
we
brought
in
our
police
officers,
knowing
that
it's
a
protest
against
police
officers,
maybe
it
would
have
been
seen
differently
if
we
would
have
had
our
community
service
officers
now
I
don't
know
between
you,
know,
union
issues
and
training,
and
all
of
that
I
think
training
was
missing
anyhow,
so
I
just
think
anything
to
de-escalate
on
an
ongoing
basis
related
to
blm
protests
would
be
one
thing
that
I
think
I
would
add
to
that
list
that
you
have
so
let
me
move
on
to.
I
Oh,
let
me
let
me
go
back
to
the
race
and
equity
screening,
so
this
report-
and
I
appreciate
the
two
I
think
almost
250
pages
of
a
report.
I
I
did
do
my
homework
in
terms
of
what
other
cities
have
done
in
as
a
turnaround,
and
I
think,
there's
other
major
cities
that
had
a
seven-page
report,
a
10-page
report,
nothing
as
comprehensive
as
ours,
and
so
in
doing
so.
I
think
you
really
took
a
look
at
what
you
did
what
you
didn't
do.
I
I
think
that
you
also
have
to
as
part
of
the
process,
listen
to
some
of
us
to
include
some
of
the
things
that
maybe
were
missing
and
one
of
the
things
that
I
think
is
missing
is
the
the
race
and
equity
screening
aspect
to
all
of
these
recommendations
in
terms
of
how
do
these
recommendations?
I
How
do
these
findings
and
how
do
these
recommendations
impact
certain
groups
of
color
and,
as
we
are
all
moving
in
that
direction
in
terms
of
asking
ourselves
that
question
in
any
policy
area,
I
would
certainly
expect
that
our
police
department
would
ask
the
same
question,
and
so
now
I
don't
know
if
that's
going
to
happen
more
in
our
ipa
but
dave.
Maybe
this
is
a
question
for
you
in
terms
of
what
you
expect
from
our
police,
our
police
chief,
to
integrate
race
and
equity
when
they
have
reports
such
as
these.
J
Yeah,
thank
you
councilmember,
so
yeah.
I
do
think
that
what
the
path
we're
on
is
really
a
solid
integration
to
all
the
work
that
we
do.
So
you
know
driving
toward
a
point
where,
where
we're
looking
at
race
and
equity
issues
across
the
spectrum
of
all
the
services
that
we
provide
and
across
the
spectrum
of
really
all
the
the
policy
work
that
we're
doing
so
that
that
is
definitely
the
path
we're
on
you
know.
J
We,
I
think
we
already
have
direction
from
the
council
to
really
you
know
begin
some
of
that
integration
work
with
our
our
police
reform
work
plan,
so
that
is
definitely
and
jennifer
can
kind
of,
or
angel
can
kind
of
highlight
that
a
little
bit
more
better
than
I
can,
but
it's
it's
certainly
already
kind
of
in
the
in
the
plan.
J
You
know
we're
we're
well
on
our
way
to
hiring
a
a
new
director
of
the
office
of
racial
equity.
Well
on
our
way,
and
hopefully
soon
we'll
have
that.
But
that's
the
word
I'm
using
is
integration.
This
is
not
a
not
gonna,
just
slap
it
on
top
or
kind
of
an
add-on.
It's
integrating
into
the
work
that
we
do,
and
so
certainly
it
definitely
applies
to
to
all
the
work
we're
talking
about
today.
I
I
appreciate
that
I'll
tell
you
that
so
during
this
time,
when
the,
when
the
protests
were
happening-
and
I
think
it
was
council
member
davis,
that
you
said
that
there
there's
a
level
of
of
living
with
or
living
through,
some
of
the
experiences
that
you're
exposed
to
in
video,
as
we
all
did
right
sitting
in
our
in
our
living
room,
seeing
a
lot
of
just
havoc
rake
across
our
country
as
a
result
of
just
some
just
real
tragic
events.
I
That
transpired-
and
so
I
made
a
real
decision
to
to
not
be
part
of
the
protest
and
not
because
I
didn't
want
to
be
part
of
the
protest,
but
one
aspect
of
it
was
because
I
was
my
my
husband
was
working
nights
and
and-
and
so
I
was
kind
of
alone
at
home
with
the
kids.
And
so,
if
I
wanted
to
go
to
the
protest,
I
would
have
had
to
bring
my
kids
with
me
and
so
my
daughter's.
I
Maybe
you
know
five
years
old,
my
son
at
that
time
was
11.
He
just
turned
12..
Last
week
my
son
is
5'9
right,
so
you
know
tall
slender
he's.
If
he
smiles
you'll
see
he's
a
kid
because
he's
got
a
you
know
a
mouth
full
of
braces
and
you
know,
and
just
really
corny
jokes
he's
just
a
kid
right,
but
in
a
in
a
sea
of
of
people
I
recognize
that
he
is
a
person
of
color,
a
young
man
of
color
and
and
and
no
matter
what
it
doesn't
matter.
I
I
He's
my
only
son,
so,
of
course
I'm
I
am
mama
bear
and
I
took
a
a
real
conscious
decision
because
he
did
want
to
go
to
the
protest
and
I
said
to
him:
there's
just
no
way
we
can
do
that
not
safely,
and
I
know
that
you
could
always
do
that
from
a
safe
distance.
I
I
I
just
didn't
know
what
safe
distance
could
have
meant,
and
I
know
a
lot
of
folks
thought
that
maybe
in
their
effort
to
protest,
they
were
doing
it
at
the
same
distance.
They
were
doing
it
correctly.
There's
a
lot
of
conversation
going
on
right
now
about
what
is
the
safe
way
to
pro.
What
is
this?
What
is
the
right
way
to
protest
right?
I
Does
that
not
include
certain
acts
of
defacing
property
and
things
of
that
sort,
but
for
me
the
real
question
is:
why
are
we
protesting
and
the
reason
why
we
continue
to
protest
is
the
reason
why
I
couldn't
take
my
son
downtown
and
that's
because
race
still
matters
and
he
will
still
be
considered
a
a
brown
young
man,
maybe
in
in
certainly
maybe
confused
within
a
protest
group,
and
I
just
couldn't
run
that
risk.
I
I
I
think
I
I
had
to
have
a
bit
of
that
conversation
with
my
son,
because
he
is
a
a
brown
young
man
and
he
happens
to
be
taller
than
the
rest
of
his
kids
he's
only
in
sixth
grade
back
then
only
in
fifth
grade
and
and
and
how
the
world
sees
him
he's
a
great
kid
I
feel
like
you
know
he
does
the
right
things
he's
kind
to
his.
I
I
I
think
about
my
son,
your
sons,
your
family
members
that
were
in
that
crowd
and
thinking
about
how
inaccurate
some
of
those
rubber
bullets
are,
and
so
I
I
think
that
that
we
didn't
exhaust
a
list.
I
think
we
we
did
a
really
good
job
and
jason.
I
I
think
you,
you
know
you
you,
certainly,
I
think,
detailed
out
in
terms
of
how
you
saw
the
the
de-escalation
going
on
from
day
to
day-
and
I
know
you
had
all
your
daily
briefings
and
you
talked
about
what
you
all
saw
and
I
think
you
did
the
best
you
could
without
having
a
control
center
out
a
mobile
control
center.
I
I
I
This
is
heartbreaking
right,
but
this
also
an
experience
for
him
to
learn
and
to
grow
and
for
all
of
us
to
grow,
and
so
I
think
I
hope
that
you
can
take
my
my
experience
to
heart
in
terms
of
of
of
what
I
think
a
lot
of
our
residents
were
going
through
as
they
were.
You
know
they.
They
were
very
bold
and
courageous
to
show
up
at
a
protest,
probably
the
the
biggest
civil
unrest,
maybe
in
our
lifetime,
and
that
they
stood
their
ground.
I
I
defaulted
back
to
wanting
to
change
the
rules
for
our
city,
and
so
that's.
I
hope
that
that's
part
of
what
we're
going
to
do
today
and-
and
I
ask
all
my
council
colleagues
to
consider
supporting
the
motion
on
the
floor
so
that
we
can
actually
change
the
rules
for
our
families
and
make
sure
that
brown
and
black
families
and
young
men
aren't
impacted
greater
than
than
others.
I
And
so
that
is
the
other
reason
why
I
want
to
make
sure-
and
I
know
this
is
going
to
come
back
on
the
29th
with
the
ipa
and
I'll
ask
for
that-
to
be
part
of
the
ipa's
independent
consultant
as
they
contract
out
that
they
have
this
piece
involved
in
it,
because
I,
I
wonder
in
terms
of
the
citations
nora,
if
we
break
it
down
and
we
break
down
some
of
the
arrests.
I
You
know
what
what
were
some
of
those
numbers
where
they're
more
brown
and
black
people
that
were
impacted
in
going
to
take
a
guess
and
I'm
going
to
paul
to
say.
Yes,
that
was
the
majority.
B
I
Case
yes,
so
so,
as
I
think
as
much
as,
and
probably
you
know
now,
I'm
not
saying
that
this
is
all
one-sided.
I'm
sure
that
brown
and
black
communities
were
very
angry
and
they
were
very
present
at
these
protests,
but
nonetheless,
I
think
we
need
to
continue
to
have
race
and
equity
leading
us
and
making
sure
that
our
policies
are
screened
through
those
eyes
as
well.
I
Your
your
your
report
is,
is
you
know
this
administration
of
justice,
and
in
that
I
don't
know
that
you
know
we've
integrated
the
gear
program
as
well,
I
think,
or
as
quickly
as
we
can,
because
we're
all
very
busy
in
terms
of
your
workloads-
and
we
don't
have
enough
folks,
but
I
know
that
there's
non-sworn
positions
that
that
could
maybe
take
some
of
the
load
off
from
some
of
the
officers.
I
So
some
of
this
work
can
be
done
so
the
the
story
that
that
I
shared
or
the
experience
that
I
shared
with
you
with
my
son,
was
in
time
back
with
the
duty
manual
and
having
the
12
year
old.
I
know
the
discussion
I
think
was
brought
up
by
council
member
davis,
and
I
know
this
is.
I
think
this
accommodation
is
made
because
we
have
state
law
that
we
are
trying
to
abide
by,
and
so
I
know
this
is.
This
is
part
of
of
us
abiding
by
state
law.
I
I
know
that
there's
an
exception
to
allow
handcuffing
for
minors
under
12
if
there's
violence
towards
themselves
or
others,
but
I
think
when
we
have
these
type
of
exceptions
that
we
default
back
to
to
this
practice
and
so.
I
I
wonder
if
we
can
adjust
that
and
council
member
esparza.
I
think
you
have
the
the
motion
and
I
and
I,
and
I
would
like
to
hear
your
feedback
captain
chief
knob
in
terms
of
what
your
your
take
is.
I
think
I
heard
your
take
and
I
think
you
want
it.
You
want
this
allowance,
but
I
think
when
there
is
this
type
of
allowance
we
have
seen
in
other
states,
I
think
in
key
west
police
chief.
I
There
was
video
footage
of
a
of
a
child
who
was
handcuffed,
who
was
who
had
asperger's,
I
believe-
and
just
you
know,
was
very
sensitive
to
to
touch
and
I
think
chief,
not
you
acknowledge
that
that
there
might
be
different
situations
for
this,
but
I
just
think
that
when
there's
exceptions,
exceptions
typically
happen
around
black
and
brown
children
in
denver.
I
So
the
question
is:
how
can
we
continue
to
protect
children
if
we're
building
a
criminal
justice
that
builds
exceptions
into
their
arrest
or
into
their
handcuffing
and
into
their
criminalization?
And
so
I
would
like
to
adjust
that
that
items
so
that
there
isn't
an
exception.
F
Well,
thank
you
for
the
question
and
I
think
that
you
know
council
asked
for
this
policy
to
be
brought
back
to
you,
and
you
know
this
is
what
we
brought
back
based
on
the
welfare
and
institutions
code,
which
actually
is
what
governs
the
you
know:
kids,
and
the
arrest
of
kids
and
placement
of
kids
and
dealing
with
kids.
So
you
know
that's
where
we
got
the
12
year,
12
years
old
and
those
under
12
years
old.
F
The
the
exception
is
the
exception
and
not
the
rule
right
and
that's
what
I
think
we
really
need
to
talk
about,
and
the
the
exception
is
when
somebody
is
being
actively
violent
towards
themselves
or
others
not
being
disruptive
not
being
argumentative,
not
being
disrespectful
being
violent.
So
that's
really
what
the
the
exception
is
for
and,
like
I
said
it's
it's
the
exception
of
the
rule.
I
I
Say
that
child
is,
you
know
not
as
cooperative
as
we'd.
F
Like
well,
are
they
being
violent
if
they're,
if
they're
being
violent
and
assaultive
combative
towards
themselves
or
other,
then
the
policy
would
allow
us
to
handcuff
them.
But
again,
then
that's
where
you
bring
in
the
resources
right,
you
bring
in
child
services,
you
bring
in
counselors
and
if
we
have
to
we'll
bring
in
ems
to
transport
that
child,
if
we
have
to
again
this
whole
discussion
is
about
what
resources
can
respond
to
those
type
of
situations
instead
of
the
police.
I
Exactly
and
and
and
that's
what
I
was
going
to
get
to,
because
I
know
that
sometimes
we
want
our
police
officers
to
be
the
answer
to
all
of
our
tough
calls
right
and
we're
finding
that.
That's
not
necessarily,
you
know
the
best
way
to
deal
with
some
of
these
situations,
and
so
I
think
the
the
exception
allows
for
for
for
this
to
continue.
I
So
if
we
don't,
if
we
make
sure
that
there's
service
providers
on
site
or
that
there's
an
ems
person
person
on
site,
then
the
strategy
will
be
quite
different
than
what
a
police
officer
on
site
would
respond
right.
So
whoever
is
on
site
will
respond
based
on
their
experience
on
what
they're
allowed
to
do
and
what
their
typical
practice
is
in
the
field.
I
And
so
you
know
this
is
part
of
what
police
officers
do
and
I
get
it.
I
just
want
us
to
move
away
from
that,
so
that
there
isn't
an
exception.
There
isn't
an
exception
to
that.
I
I
realize
for
those
five,
of
course
you
know
charges
like
murder,
rape,
sodomy
or
copulation
sexual
penetration.
I
Absolutely
you
would
want
to
cuff
somebody
who
might
be
under
12,
but
even
those
children
who
might
be
under
12
well
anyways,
I'm
just
going
to
leave
that
piece
alone,
but
but
you
certainly
have
the
law
on
your
side
for
those
for
those
cases
I
just
want
us
to
in
practice,
start
having
a
different
kind
of
a
default
and
a
different
kind
of
exception
to
the
rules.
So
if
there's
always
an
exception,
then
we're
always
going
to
rely
on
our
police
officers
to
to
answer
the
call
right.
I
But
if
that's
not
the
exact,
you
know
you
don't
have
the
exception
to
the
world,
then
we
have
to
find
and
you're
not
the
answer
to
all
of
our
questions
and
our
calls.
Then
we
have
to
find
the
right
service
provider,
and
so
I
think
you
know
it's
so
easy
for
for
for
all
of
us
to
call
the
police
and
expect
for
you
to
have
put
things
in
order-
and
this
is
part
of
you
know,
part
of
one
of
your
tools
in
your
toolbox.
F
Yeah,
I
I
don't
disagree
with
you
at
all.
I
think
that's
where
the
failures
are
identified
right,
because
we
are
the
first
ones
to
respond
out
and
we
are
expected
to
solve
those
problems
when
really
we
shouldn't
be
solving
those
problems,
but
that's
where
the
failure
is
and
until
that
failure
is
solved.
F
The
reason
this
exception
is
in
here
is
that,
if
my
off,
if
if
there
is
an
instance
when
an
officer
does
handcuff
somebody
under
12
years
old,
because
there's
an
absolute
need
to
do
it
because
of
the
violence,
that's
involved,
we
have
to
restrain
this
minor,
but
the
policy
says
he
can't.
Then
then,
what
what's
that
leave
my
officer
where's
that
leave
them?
It
hangs
them
out
to
dry
and
possible
subject
to
discipline
because
they
have
handcuffed
somebody
that
was
very
violent.
I
Forces
cms
or
a
mental
health
care
provider
to
respond
to
that
5150
in
case
in
case
they're,
you
know
being
dangerous
to
themselves
or
to
others.
F
And
so
we
have
to
take
some
type
of
action
to
ensure
that
happens,
and
that's
why
the
policy
says
as
soon
as
as
soon
as
the
handcuffs
should
be
removed
as
soon
as
safe
and
practical
to
do
so.
So
that
would
be
when
the
other
resources
would
be
there
and
hopefully,
like
you,
said
best
case
scenarios,
we
would
never
have
to
respond
at
all
right.
I
I
I
just
think
that
if
we
continue
to
have
exceptions
to
the
rules
like
I
said,
then
we
continue
to
employ
you
as
part
of
the
answer
and
as
part
of
the
response,
and
so,
if,
if
you're,
not,
if
it's
not
a
child
who
is
being
charged
for
for
these
five
different
alleged
charges
that
that
that
type
of
incident
is
then
responded
by
in
the
ems,
a
crisis,
intervention
team
that
many
mental
health
providers
offer
on
a
24-hour
basis,
an
ems
person.
I
I
just
think
that
we
need
to
look
make
sure
that
part
of
the
part
of
the
and
we're
integrating
a
different
response
into
our
rules,
and
I
fear
that
we
are
continuing
to
include
the
police
into
matters
that
I
think
should
be
handled
by
maybe
a
mental
health
provider
or
a
medical
provider,
and
I
don't
see
a
need
for
it
in
case,
because
if
there
was
a
child
who
was
under
12,
who
isn't
charged
for
murder,
rape,
sodomy
or
you
know
those
five
charges,
then
then
I
think
that
situation
deems
more
appropriate
for
a
mental
health
provider.
I
To
be
on
call
or
a
medical
provider
to
be
on
call
you,
you
really
shouldn't
be
on
on
site,
supporting
this,
and
I,
and
I
think
we
need
to
figure
out.
Where
do
we,
where
we
begin
to
make
these
changes?
B
Council
members,
jennifer
mcguire,
taking
you
know,
taking
notes
on
what
all
the
council
members
are
saying
today
and
I
think
what
it's
important
that
you
know
we
address
that
as
part
of
the
reimagining
part
of
the
police
work,
because
we
got
to
make
sure
those
services
are
in
place
and
we've
got
partners
that
will
take
that
work
over
before.
I
think
we
have
the
police
department
change
their
protocol,
so
we
don't
have
that
gap
that
we
you
know
we
don't
want
to
have.
B
I
think
that
would
be
the
concern,
but
certainly
a
very
important
matter
to
me.
Maybe
one
of
the
first
things
we
need
to
look
at,
I
think,
with
with
the
children
and
and
looking
how
we
reimagine
the
police
department,
we've
got
to
get
our
partners
on
board
and
get
those
protocols
in
place.
So
I
just
wanna,
let
you
know
we're
taking
notes
and
hear
you
and,
but
I
think
you
know
we'd
be
hesitant
to
change
the.
B
You
know
what
I
think,
what
you're
asking
for
ahead
of
how
making
sure
we've
got
those
other
providers
and
responders
in
place
and
know
that
they
will
be
there
first
and
and
making
sure
that
the
partners
are
there.
So
I
just
wanted
to
make
that
comment.
I
No,
I
I
get
it
and
thank
you
jennifer.
I.
I
absolutely
believe
that
when
you
tell
me
that
you're
working
on
an
an
area
that
you
make
it
happen,
I
absolutely
feel
confident
in
this.
It's
just
that
if
we
have
it
in
writing
in
terms
of
our
new
duty
manual
changes-
and
this
is
what
the
duty
manual
is
telling
our
police
officers
to
do-
then
we're
not
really
telling
our
police
officers
to
do
anything
different
than
what
we
through
our
reimagining
process
might
find,
and
even
now
in
terms
of
practice.
I
What
and
what
you've
heard
of
many
advocates
call
in,
and
you
know
I
heard
a
lot
of
folks
be
concerned
about
this.
This
particular
change,
and
so
you
know
I
I
wanna.
I
want
to
support
the
motion
on
the
floor.
Certainly
there's
a
memo
authored
by
me
and
very
generously,
supported
by
my
council
colleague,
esparza,
but
I
just
don't
know
how
I
could
support
this
this.
I
B
Mean
I
may
add
one
thing:
I'm
sorry,
I'm
just
real
quick,
just
to
make
sure
you're
feel
confident
in
the
in
the
process.
Here
you
know
when
we're
making
these
duty
manual
changes.
I
think
the
vision
is
yeah.
This
is
one
step,
but
we're
going
to
have
to
revisit
some
of
these
duty
manual
changes
and
they're
going
to
evolve
over
time.
So
I
just
want
to
let
you
know
that
this
this
may.
This
may
not
be
the
end
for
any
of
these
duty.
B
Mail
changes
after
we
go
through
the
reimagining
process,
so
we
may
be
back
amending
again
based
on
how
we
change
protocols
and
change
what
duties
our
police
officers
do.
So
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
you
know
that
that
that's
contemplated
here
is
when
we
do
the
reimagining
that
we
might
have
to
again
change
duty
manual.
I
Yes-
and
I
I
I
did-
I
did
get
that
in
implied
in
your
in
your
previous
response
jennifer
and
I
I
appreciate
that
I
just
in
a
good
conscience,
I'm
not
sure
how
I
could
support
this.
Like
I
said
I
have
my
own
memo
writing
on
this
motion
as
well.
I
just
think
that
we
need
to
begin
somewhere
and
if
we
don't
begin
now-
and
we
stretch
this
out
for
a
whole
year
for
a
whole
year-
the
practice
will
be
completely
different
for
our
brown
and
black
children.
K
So
I
have
a
question
I
think
it's
great.
I
think
it's
really
important
to
address
this
and
I
hear
what
you're
saying
completely
so
I
so
I'm
looking
at
your
memo
accounts
member
at
ns.
When
is
the
next
piss
fizz
meeting.
K
So
here's
my
thought,
my
shot
is
a
years
too
long,
yeah,
so
a
year
is
too
long.
This
reimagining
work
is
going
to
have
a
bunch
of
different
components
to
it,
and
so,
when
I'm
looking
at
item
number
two
that
lists
the
pizzfizz
committee
work
plan,
I
know
you're
on
pizzviz
and
councilmember
perales
shares
it
correct,
I'm
not
on
it.
K
So
I
just
so
that's
why
I
was
asking
when
the
next
pizz
committee
meeting
is
because
because
then
this
item
could
come
to
the
next
pizzfizz
meeting
have
something
more
specific
there
and
it
comes
here
in.
I
don't
know
two
months
whatever.
That
is
because
I
agree
with
you.
I
think
this
is
an
important
issue
and
I
do
think
it
needs
a
little
bit
extra
work
though,
and
but
I
don't
want
to
wait
a
year
either.
I'm
with
you
on
that.
K
So
could
this
be
included
in
item
number
two
to
add
to
pizzfizz,
and
I
don't
I
don't
know
when
that
is
so.
I'm
looking
at
the
pisfas
people
to
tell
me.
I
B
I
leave
that
one.
So
all
things
please
the
so
this
this
thursday
is
the
next
pizzas
meeting,
but
as
we
had
discussed
earlier
with
some
of
these
duty
manual
amendments,
I
think
related
to
this,
and
I
think
the
council
member
raynes
was
okay
with
it.
This
was
probably
going
to
be
on
the
work
plan
that
will
be
for
the
for
the
january
through
june
time
frame
for
the
for
these
particular
duty
manual
amendments.
B
Given
all
the
work
that's
going
on
right
now
in
the
police
department
and
their
bandwidth
to
to
take
on
more
stuff
in
the
next
couple
of
months,
but
that's
certainly
an
option
we
could
add
on
and
but
I'm
not
sure
what
you
do
in
the
meantime,
if
you
just
keep
it
as
is
or
you
know,
it's
certainly
for
you
for
the
council
to
discuss.
K
Well,
so
that's
that's
my
question
to
councilman
right
on
us.
That's
where
I
was
going
to
that
where
we
adopt
it
now
or
we
don't
make
that
change
now
or
you
know,
I'm
looking
to
you
for
some
guidance
on
that,
and
then
this
comes
to
the
next
his
fizz,
because
I
don't
think
it
should
wait
a
year
either.
I
You
know
at
councilmember,
as
far
as
I
think
you
know
I
I
like
that
you're
finding
a
route
for
this.
I
think
the
more
important
thing
here
is
to
work
actively
work
on
this
in
the
meantime
and
not
have
to
wait
this
whole
year
process,
we've
heard
from
the
ipa,
how
long
is
going
to
take
more
or
less
if
we
might
want
to
find
a
quality
consultant
who
are
certainly
busy
at
this
time?
And
so
I
I
appreciate
the
offer.
I
I
think
that
that
could
work
and
if
we
had
for
in
the
meantime,
the
children
who
who
are
handcuffed,
who
are
under
the
age
of
12,
if
they
somehow
have
a
referral
for
the
ipa,
so
that
they
can
have
a
tracking
mechanism
if
you
will
a
flag
and
and
that
they're
being
taking
the
look
at
and
tracked
and
and
seeing
if
there's
any
trends
or
patterns
with
that.
I
K
I
Know
I
would
leave
it
to
the
chair
to
decide
how
that
would
look
within
the
work
plan.
I
don't
want
to
speak
for
the
chair
or
vice
chair
is
a
vice
mayor.
Okay,
you
know
I
I
don't
want
to
speak
on
their
behalf,
but
I
I
I
hope
that
council,
barbara
perales
would
be
open
to
adding
this
to
the
work
plan
and
and
see
how
he
can
accommodate
it.
Okay,.
K
And
then
so
one
include
that
and
then
two
include
a
referral
to
the
ipa
when,
when
that
exception
occurs,
is
that
correct,
okay,
yeah?
I
accept
that.
B
A
couple
of
technical
issues
number
one
in
terms
of
tracking
some
kind
of
notation-
would
need
to
be
made
in
the
cad
about
children
of
a
certain
age
whether
they
were
handcuffed
or
not.
So
we
would
be
able
to
track
those
cases,
but
also
number
two.
I
currently
don't
have
the
authority
to
handle
anything
that
is
outside
a
complaint,
so
we
would
have
to
wait
until
the
ballot
measure
passes
or
doesn't
pass
in
order
to
determine
whether
or
not
I
could
take
on
that
work.
I
That
that
sounds
reasonable
council
member
spotify.
A
Okay,
anything
further
customers.
I
Yes,
the
last
item
that
I
wanted
to
bring
up
was
and
council
member
esparza.
You
brought
this
up
earlier
and
I
think
there
was
one
domestic
violence
incident
that
involved
strangulation
that
had
to
wait.
I
I
think
it
was
24
hours
and
then
a
rape
that
pended
for
six
hours,
and
I
know
that
we
were
very
very
busy,
but
I
certainly
would
expect
that
that
these
kinds
of
crimes
are
prioritize
over
property
damage
or
property
crimes
that
were
happening
in
places
like
downtown
or
some
suspected
places
like
valley,
fair
or
others
that
were
mentioned
previously,
and
so
I
I'm
wondering
why
was
there
such
a
long
wait
for
a
domestic
violence?
Call
that
we
all
know
when
involved
strangulation.
F
Wrong
one
again
apologize
so
again
as
especially
on
the
the
29th
when
resources
were
directed
downtown.
You
know
the
rest
of
the
city
did
suffer
and
you
know
it
is
I'll.
Just
say
it's
not
acceptable
to
have
those
type
of
crimes.
Wait.
One
thing
that
will
be
triaged
when
those
calls
come
in.
I
don't
have
the
specifics
of
the
calls
I'll
have
to
look
into
them
unless
chief
tyndall-
or
I
don't
think
jason
knows,
but
about
the
specifics
of
the
case.
If
there's
any
danger,
the
suspect
is
still
on
scene.
F
I
I
The
fact
that
there
is
a
victim
who
is
pending
for
six
hours
and
possibly
possibly
more
and
may
really
want
to
have
an
exam
completed,
a
rape
exam
completed
and
certainly
want
to
shower
and
and
begin
a
process
to
to
to
settling
themselves
from
from
such
an
ordeal
that
I
think
that
we
need
to
make
sure
that
these
calls,
regardless
of
what
is
happening
in
the
rest
of
our
city,
that
they
are
prioritized.
I
I
Lastly,
I
was
also
going
to
give
a
suggestion
about.
I
know
that
there
might
have
been
a
couple
of
reasons
why
there
was
some
difficulty
in
terms
of
communication.
This
came
from
your
report
in
terms
of
not
having
a
mobile
unit
that
you
could
work
out
of.
I
As
well
as
I
think
that
you
were
all
coming
together
for
briefings
and
trying
to
figure
out
what
tactics
worked,
I
wonder
if
we
could
employ
the
live
streaming
capacity
in
in
the
body,
worn
cameras
and
not
for
public
use,
but
for
the
captains
or
lieutenants
or
sergeants
who
are
in
command
so
that
you
can
have
an
opportunity
to
see
what
is
what
is
transpiring
and
as
another
tool
to
figure
out
what
to
do
in
real
time.
I
I
think
a
lot
of
what
you
did
was
you
know
at
the
end
of
the
day,
probably
in
a
shift
change
or
something
of
that
sort.
But
I
would
ask
you
to
have
this
as
another
way,
another
tool
to
use-
and
I
don't
know
if
there's
any
reason
why
we
don't
live
stream
at
this
point,
to
see
what
maybe
in
not
in
every
in
everyday
occurrences.
But
these
are
certainly
out
of
the
norm.
Is
that
something
that
is
possible.
F
I
don't
know
exactly
if
axon,
who,
who
has
the
the
cameras,
if
that's
actually
up
and
running
and
they're,
offering
that
I
know
that
there
was
a
lot
of
testing
that
was
going
on
so
we'll
have
to
get
back
to
you.
We
have
to
report
back
on
that
with
everything
else.
I
know
that
there
is
a
substantial
cost
involved
to
bring
in
that
technology,
but
we
can
evaluate
that
also
and
yeah.
F
The
last
thing
I'll
say
about
that
is
that
you
know
in
these
situations
it
was
kind
of
all
hands
on
deck,
so
I'm
not
sure
who
would
be
sitting
around
watching
the
live
stream
videos
that
were
going
on
when
most
of
them
were
actually
on
the
line,
doing
what
they
do
best.
So
you
know,
but
we
could
we'll
we'll
check
it
out
and
and
get
back
to
you
for
sure.
I
All
right-
and
this
is
a
suggestion
in
acknowledging
the
resources
that
we
already
have
and
and
seeing
how
we
can
employ
them
differently,
and
I
think
it
was
just
a
suggestion,
because
communication
seemed
to
be
an
issue
that
that
that
you
all
reflected
as
part
of
one
of
the
that
was,
is
always
crucial
during
protests
and
and
certainly
didn't
help
so
anyways
glad
you
can
look
into
that.
That
is
it
for
me.
I
really
want
to
thank
you
for
for
the
work
that
you've
done
with
our
community.
I
I
know
this
is
a
tough
conversation.
I've
always
acknowledged
when
there's
a
tough
conversation
for
us
to
have.
We
need
to
have
it.
We
need
to
make
sure
that
we
are
making
sure
we
grow
from
from
every
experience
that
we
have
and
and
making
sure
that
our
policies
reflect
that
growth
as
well,
and
so
I
appreciate
you
being
as
transparent
as
you
could
in
your
after
action
report,
and
and
so
I
don't
think
that
there's
a
motion
on
the
floor
so
I'll
move
to
approve
the
after
action
report.
I
A
Okay,
there's
now
a
motion
on
item
4.4
as
well
all
right,
counseling,
yep,.
C
Yes,
sir,
so
thank
you
captains
for
for
sticking
with
us.
I
know
it's
been
a
long
day
and
I
can
imagine
you
know
having
being
peppered
with
questions
about
something
that
that
you
take
very
seriously
and
and
from
from
folks
myself
included,
who
who
aren't
trained
in
law
enforcement,
and
I
I
can
understand
that
frustration,
but
but
it's
our
job
to
ask
we're
gonna
keep
on
asking,
and
I
have
a
few
more
questions
for
you
as
well.
My
I
wanna
shift
a
bit.
C
I
read
the
letter
from
the
poa
and
the
letter
was
basically
you
know
expressing
some
concern.
You
know
agreements
that
there
needs
to
be
changes.
You
know
not
handcuffing
minors
opening
up
the
the
hiring
policies
to
to
be
more
inclusive.
C
But
then,
in
a
paragraph
there
was
some
concern
expressed
over
the
the
rubber
bullet
issue
and
then
also
on
the
no
knock
warrants
and-
and
I
know
that
in
the
staff
report-
the
chief's
memo-
it
seems
fine
with
that
and
and
I'm
supportive.
But
I'm
curious-
and
I
want
to
give
you
the
opportunity
to
kind
of
express
any
reservations,
because
I'm
curious
about
that.
Where
that
might
be
coming
from.
F
C
Okay,
well,
that's
fine
I'll
shift
back
to
the
the
well
on
that
topic.
I,
I
guess
I'll
just
say
that
for
the
record,
I'm
glad
that
san
jose
is
changing
the
duty
manual
to
to
not
allow
for
no
knock
warrants,
except
in
accident
circumstances
where
there
might
be
destruction
of
evidence,
because
just
thinking
through
this,
I
I
don't
see
how
any
good
can
come
from
that
yeah.
C
We,
we
all
have
heard
about
the
story
of
brianna
taylor,
but
just
even
beyond
that
in
america,
a
foundation
of
kind
of
american
law
is
the
castle
doctrine
where
the
man,
a
man,
is
a
king
of
his
castle.
His
home
is
his
castle
and
any
individual
homeowner
gets
to
protect
his
or
her
property
and
if
you're
you're
going
on
there,
you're,
basically
trespassing
and
if
law
enforcement
comes
and
knocks
down
a
door
and
enters.
C
I
think
the
homeowner
rightfully
would
be
surprised,
and
you
know
knowing
the
rights
that
they
have
to
protect
themselves
and
their
family.
I
don't
see
how
any
good
can
come
from
that,
even
if
there
is
a
law
enforcement
purpose.
So
I
would
say
that
in
most
cases,
if
not
all
cases,
there
should
be
a
clear
announcement
of
the
police
law
enforcement
intention.
So
I'm
glad
we're
making
that
change.
C
As
to
the
the
issue
about
the
rubber
golds
that
we
were
discussing
at
the
top
of
this
item,
I
I
just
want
to
reset,
because
when
councilmember
foley
was
asking
a
question,
I
had
to
think
about
it
a
second
and
really
try
to
follow
the
trail
of
what's
being
discussed
because
the
the
chief's
recommendation-
or
you
know
the
staff
recommendation
and
the
memo
that
put
out
by
by
mayor
carter
myself
and
some
colleagues
when
we
were
talking
about
the
rubber
bullet
issue
or
projectile.
C
We're
we're
not
we're
basically
having
a
disagreement
over
the
fact
of
whether
officers
should
reserve
the
right
to
aim
into
a
crowd
to
target
one
individual.
Am
I
understanding
that
correctly?
I
think
there's
consensus
around
the
fact
that
we
shouldn't
be
using
it
as
crowd,
control
to
just
disperse
a
crowd,
but
officers
are
kind
of
arguing
that
they
should
retain
the
ability
to
aim
a
rubber
projectile
at
a
particular
target.
Is
that
correct.
C
Yeah,
so
so
I
think
on
that
point
you
know
coming
from
a
legal
background,
I
understand
that
you
can't
find
a
perfect
situation
and
there
will
always
be
exceptions
and
and
accident
circumstances,
but
I
think
that
what
we
try
to
do
in
the
law
and
as
lawmakers
on
the
council,
what
we
try
to
strive
for
are
brightline
rules
that
will,
in
most
of
the
cases,
serve
to
move
us
towards
the
best
outcome,
and
I
you
know
I
think
back
to
to
lo.
C
You
know
when
I
was
a
law
student
and
we
were
talking
about
protecting
your
property
and
whether
it's
legal
to
lay
a
trap
out
to
a
bow
and
arrow.
If
someone
crosses
a
tripwire
into
your
property,
just
automatically
shoot
them
down,
because
they've
trespassed
on
your
property
and
the
principle
out
of
that
is
is
human
life
is
more
valuable
and
the
destruction
of
physical
property
is
is
less
valuable.
So
you
know
from
that.
You
get
a
principle
of
in
most
instances.
C
Protecting
humans,
protecting
life
and
minimizing
bodily
injury
is,
is
the
outcome
we
want?
So
can
you
help
me
understand
chief,
this
issue
of
crowd
control.
I've
seen
it
in
the
context
of
the
the
black
lives
matter,
protest
in
san
jose
I've,
I've
heard
about
it.
I
remember
it
from
the
donald
trump
rally
a
few
years
back,
but
I
don't
I
don't.
C
F
Well,
yeah,
and-
and
there
are,
I
think,
that's
what
the
policy
was
brought
forward-
allows
for
and
I'll.
Let
jason
jump
in
here
too
in
a
second.
But
you
know
if
we
have
a
somebody,
that's
committing
actively
committing
violence
against
a
police
officer
or
another
person
that
would
allow
for
the
use
of
the
40
millimeter
in
a
crowd
control
in
a
in
a
in
a
protest
type
situation
with
the
limitation
that,
if
that
shot
or
use
of
the
40
millimeter,
would
compromise
an
unintended
target,
then
the
officers
are
yeah.
F
F
So
other
other
instances.
When
that
would
be,
I
mean
we're
we're
just
basically
addressing
protests,
and
these
would
be
unlawful
assemblies.
I
know,
there's
you
have
peaceful
protests,
we
have
for
crowd
control
situations.
You
know
you
have
protests
and
a
lot
of
protests.
We
don't
even
show
up
for
there's
no
need
for
us
to
respond.
F
There's
somebody
that
you
know
people
are
carrying
signs
are
on
the
sidewalk
and
talking
and
even
marching
around
the
city.
Typically,
we
get
involved
when
they're
marching
in
the
streets,
so
we
stop
traffic
make
sure
nobody
gets
run
over,
but
when
they
tend
to
become
violent,
that's
when
we
enact
an
unlawful
assembly
and
orders
are
given
multiple
different
commands
and
orders
are
given
to
disperse
a
reasonable
amount
of
time
is,
is
given
for
those
protesters
to
disperse
they're,
given
a
clear
pathway
to
do
so
before
we
even
take
any
steps
to
make
any
arrests.
F
So
we're
not
even
talking
about
those
situations,
we're
talking
about
situations
where
we
have
violent
individuals
that
are
throwing
projectiles
or
utilizing
some
type
of
weapons
against
officers,
whether
they're
boards
sticks
bats
or
any
other
anything
else
against
other
protesters
that
are
there
because,
remember.
You
know
right
now
we're
talking
about
the
protests
we
encountered
at
the
end
of
may.
But
if
you
go
back
to
the
you
know,
you
go
back
to
the
trump
rally
or
you
go
back
to
or
you
go
move
forward
to
in
the
future.
F
What
we
might
run
into
there
could
be
two
competing
groups
that
are
going
at
each
other
that
have
weapons
that
are
armed
that
are
hitting
each
other
that
are
fighting
each
other
with
bats.
How
are
we
expected
to
go
in
there
and
deal
with
those
situations
if
we
don't
have
the
tools
available
to
to
protect
not
only
ourselves
but
other
people.
C
I
guess
what
I'm
trying
to
wrap
my
head
around
is
is
why
firing
projectiles
seems
to
be
the
default
tool
to
protect
officers
and
and
here's
what
I
mean
by
that.
C
That's
something
that
I
I
know
we
all
want
to
minimize
but
you're,
putting
it
on
on
the
the
the
scale
here
and
weighing
the
convenience
of
being
able
to
stand,
maybe
from
an
elevated
point
or
from
far
away
to
to
diffuse
the
situation
versus
just
stepping
right
up
and
and
pulling
a
guy
up
by
his
shirt.
Caller
and
saying
hey
get
off
this
dude.
F
G
Council,
member
dip,
that's
a
great
question
just
to
go
back
a
couple
seconds
where
you
mentioned.
You
know
the
castle
doctrine
and
property.
We
would
never
use
an
intermediate
weapon
to
enforce
a
property
crime.
Oftentimes
our
police,
canines
and
other
tools
are
utilized
in
the
field
for
things
like
auto
theft,
right
and
and
the
dog
handlers
know
that
they're
not
going
to
be
able
to
use
that
particular
force
option
on
somebody
who's
just
committing
a
property
crime
which,
even
if
it's
grand
theft
auto
right.
G
So
we
would
never
do
that
they're
defensive
in
nature,
and
so
the
main
reason
for
deploying
those
tools
is
to
protect
officers.
So
going
back
to
may
29th
and
the
following
days.
You
know
we
keep,
we
keep
calling
them
rocks
and
bottles.
We
had
m80
fireworks
thrown
at
us.
We
had
mortar
fireworks
fired
at
us.
G
We
had
people
with
potato
launchers
out
there
trying
to
shoot
us
with
potatoes,
which
I
don't
imagine,
would
it's
like
their
version
of
a
projectile
impact
weapon
right,
so
it
wasn't
as
simple
as
rocks
and
bottles
and
the
to
answer.
Your
second
question
about
actually
going
up.
G
If
you
look
across
the
country
a
lot
of
the
controversial
shootings,
I'm
not
talking
projectile
impact
weapon,
I'm
talking
deadly
force,
those
were
born
out
of
hand-to-hand
combat
the
ferguson
shooting
was
hand-to-hand,
combat
jacob
ferguson
was
han
not
jacob
ferguson,
jacob
blake
was
hand-to-hand
combat
a
lot
of
the
eric
garner
in
new
york
city.
Hand-To-Hand,
combat
the
controversial
shooting
in
atlanta
hand-to-hand
combat.
So
the
idea
in
a
crowd,
control
setting
is,
is
to
not
close
the
distance
with
the
crowd.
G
It
is
to
stay
away
from
the
crowd,
because
all
it
takes
is
one
sentinel
event
in
the
middle
of
that
already
chaotic
situation,
and
as
we
saw
that
that
I
think
it
was
that
night
or
the
night
after
we
had
an
officer-involved
shooting
involving
the
sheriff's
office
that
didn't
help
matters
for
us.
We
we
had
one
a
few
nights
later
that
didn't
help
matters
for
us,
so
once
you
close
the
distance
with
them
a
you
have
to
have
the
personnel
to
go
hands-on.
G
What's
probably
going
to
be
a
combative,
suspect,
so
you're
going
to
use
force,
they're
going
to
go
to
the
ground
almost
guaranteed
and
that's
going
to
be
by
design
because
we
put
resistive
suspects
on
the
ground,
so
we
can
handcuff
them
and
they
don't
have
the
opportunity
to
continue
and
fight
and
struggle
with
us.
That's
post
training,
but
they
need
to
be
encircled
by
other
officers
to
protect
them
to
make
it
into
the
crowd
and
then,
as
I
previously
discussed,
ex
extract
them
from
the
crowd.
G
I
will
tell
you
the
discussion
about
making
arrests
the
first
couple
of
nights
on
these
individuals
that
were
attacking
us
that
that
discussion.
We
had
that
discussion
multiple
times
and
the
reality
was
we
just
couldn't
do
it,
because
as
soon
as
we
as
soon
as
they
saw
the
officers
coming
and
we
can't
move
as
fast
as
they
do,
we
have
to
move
in
in
an
organized
fashion.
G
A
part
of
the
discipline
of
crowd
control
is
not
going
and
chasing
people
down
because
as
soon
as
we
over
commit
and
now
officers
get
themselves,
they
over
commit
they're,
stuck
in
the
middle
of
a
crowd,
now
they're
getting
attacked
by
a
mob
and
they're
outnumbered
20
to
one.
So,
quite
frankly,
most
of
the
officers
that
could
have
have
identified
people
that
either
struck
them
with
a
projectile
or
was
throwing
things
at
us.
Or
you
know
they
could.
G
We
couldn't
have
caught
them
if
we
tried
and
the
only
way
we
were
able
to
catch
them
later
was
when
they
broke
away
from
the
larger
crowd,
but
going
up
and
putting
hands
on.
We
have
a
saying
in
law
enforcement
training.
Every
solution
creates
a
problem,
creates
a
new
problem
and
so
the
shields
that
were
talked
about
earlier.
I
know
that
a
lot
of
departments
use
shields.
We
don't
have
shields.
The
shields
are
not
the
panacea
either.
G
That
takes
one
hand
away
from
the
officer
so
now
they're,
one-handed
and
they're,
probably
not
going
to
be
able
to
index
any
other
type
of
defensive
weapon.
With
the
other
hand,
if
somebody's
going
to
put
a
shield
up
on
me,
I'm
just
going
to
go
grab
the
top
of
it
and
pull
it
down
and
then
and
then
the
officer
is
fighting
over
control
of
the
shield.
So
every
solution,
every
solution
creates
a
new,
a
new
problem.
G
I
would
say
that
going
in
even
if
we
could
go
in
let's,
let's
just
say
you
don't
need
to
encircle
a
crowd
or
encircle
an
arrest
team
to
go
into
a
crowd.
Even
if
you
could
go
in
there
and
find
the
person
you
wanted
and
grab
them
before
and
try
and
take
them
into
custody
before
you
before
they
ran
away,
which
is
what
they
all
did.
G
G
So
that's
it's
frowned
upon
from
a
crowd,
control
standpoint
to
go
in
and
go
hands-on.
It's
going
to
lead
to
more
injuries
with
protesters
and
it's
going
to
lead
to
more
injured
officers,
and
it
could
be
something
as
it
could
be
a
blown-out
knee.
It
could
be
somebody
getting
a
concussed,
it
could
be
a
bone
fracture
somebody
getting
knocked
unconscious.
G
C
Yeah,
so
thank
you
for
that
and
I'm
trying
to
be
to
parse
this
out
here.
I
think
we're
we're
in
agreement
that
we
don't
use
projectiles
for
crowd
control,
so
I'm
kind
of
narrowing
it
to
the
to
the
situation
where
there's
a
crowd
but
we're
targeting
an
individual
who's,
who's
hurting
somebody
else
or
endangering
somebody
else's
body
right.
So
I
wouldn't
imagine
that
there's
a
potential
for
a
mob
fight,
because
the
crowd
is
there
and
they're
protesting,
they're
they're,
holding
signs
and
they're.
C
You
know
using
their
first
amendment
rights
and
then
there's
there's
one
bad
apple
or
there's
somebody
who's
drunk
or
somebody
who
wants
to
instigate
and
we're
really
targeting
that
one
or
two
persons
right.
So
we're
not
talking
about
mayhem
in
the
streets.
We're
talking
about
identifying
one
target.
Is
that
fair
or
I
I.
G
Don't
I
don't
think,
that's
fair,
okay,
I
think
what
the
respectfully
council
member,
I
I
think,
the
the
picture
you
just
painted
is
not
realistic.
That's
not
what
happened.
There
were
dozens
and
dozens
of
people
out
there
attacking
us.
It
wasn't
one
drunk
person
in
the
middle
of
a
bunch
of
peaceful
people,
and
I
think
when
you
look
at
it
from
that
perspective,
that
can
be
expected
in
the
future.
If
we
have
a
similar
type
event.
C
C
It
was
before
the
curfew
happened,
and
I
happened
to
be
at
city
hall
with
with
the
mayor
and
councilmember
esparzan,
and
we
looked
down
from
the
18th
floor
onto
santa
clara
street
and
I
remember
seeing
our
officers
having
a
fire
crackers
or
fire
fireworks
lit
and
thrown
at
them,
and-
and
I
remember
the
the
discipline
of
everyone
staying
in
formation
and
not
dispersing-
and
I
remember
being
very
impressed
by
that.
So
I
completely
understand
what
you're
talking
about
later
on.
C
When
I
saw
videos
that
sjpd
put
out
I,
I
did
not
see
the
the
dumpsters
on
fire
myself,
but
I
saw
the
footage
afterwards
and
I
also
saw
footage
you
know
from
from
protesters
cell
phone
footer,
so
I've
seen
different
angles
of
it.
Just
firsthand.
I've
only
seen
the
one
one
afternoon
from
the
18th
floor
looking
down
into
santa
clara,
but
in
the
instance
I
did
see
if
we're
talking
about
protecting
physical,
protecting
life
and
protecting
people
in
a
crowd
somewhere.
C
What
I
saw
was
the
crowd,
getting
angry
and
and
trying
to
instigate
or
attack
police
officers.
You
know
I
didn't
see.
You
know
somebody
trying
to
mug
a
woman
or
just
two
guys
fighting
over
something.
It
wasn't
citizen
attacking
citizen.
That
officers
had
to
step
in
it
was
the
crowd
directing
their
anger,
for
whatever
reason
at
people
wearing
the
badge
right.
G
For
the
most
part
yeah,
so
I
mean
there,
there
may
have
been
other
ancillary
attacks
that
I
that
I
didn't
see.
There
was
one
documented
one
where
the
crowd
went
after
an
individual
in
a
forerunner
that
was
the
car
that
was
left
burning
on
the
corner
of
third
and
santa
clara.
We
had
to
rescue
that
individual.
We
didn't
know
all
the
facts
we
didn't
know.
If
they
were
an
active,
you
know
actively
trying
to
run
people
over
or
what
the
situation
was
it
turns
out.
C
Right
so
I
guess
the
and
I
understand
you
know,
there's
always
going
to
be
one.
The
one
instance
that
that
you
know
is
the
exception
that
kind
of
diffuses
the
argument,
but
I
think,
on
the
whole,
at
least
in
in
the
the
protest
that
we're
talking
about
the
the
fights
or
the
the
force
used,
was
more
for
either
crowd
control
or
self-defense.
From
the
officer's
perspective,
it
wasn't
really
to
protect
the
innocent
bystander,
who
was
being
ganged
up
on
and
beat
up
for
lunch
money.
C
So
so
I
guess
that's
kind
of
the
threat
I
want
to
pull
on
because,
as
has
been
mentioned
in
other
meetings
and
by
other
public
commenters,
you
know
sometimes
the
presence
of
the
police
officers
you
know,
may
escalate
the
heightened
the
the
moment
and
get
you
know,
protesters
angry
where
they
weren't
angry
before
and
I
don't
think
that's
necessarily
a
reason
to
not
have
officers
show
up.
You
know
we
have
objectives
to
to
be
out
there
and
to
keep
the
peace
and
officers
should
be
out
there.
C
Maybe
we
shouldn't
be
out
there,
not
we
I'm
not
out
there,
but
maybe
officers
shouldn't
be
out
there
in
full
on
riot
gear
which,
which
seems
to
heighten
the
the
temperature
when
protesters
see
that
because
they
seem,
they
feel
that
you
know
they're
being
looked
upon
as
as
people
who
are
not
keep
not
peaceful,
but
but
really.
C
What
I
want
to
hone
in
on
is
the
the
safety
of
the
officers,
which
is
paramount
and
very
important
to
me,
but
at
the
same
time
as
a
layman
as
somebody
who
who
could
never
be
an
officer,
I
couldn't
probably
run
the
the
five-minute
mile
or
you
know,
do
all
the
monkey
bars
everyone
has
to
in
training.
But.
C
I
I
don't
know
how
to
phrase
this
delicately,
but
I
guess
from
a
layman's
perspective
like
isn't
there
some
sort
of
expectation
that
when
you
become
a
law
enforcement
officer
like
you
got
to
be
able
to
take
a
punch
it
and-
and
I
mean
that
you
know
jokingly,
but
also
truly
because
if
we're
sending
officers
out
there
to
keep
the
peace
and
to
deal
with
the
roughest
elements
of
our
society,
you're
gonna
get
nicked
and
scraped
and
and
take
a
punch
right.
C
So
when
we
go
out
there
and
we
are
having
standards
to
keep
every
single
officer,
you
know
100
percent,
you
know
unscathed,
you
know
bullet
bullet
best
and
riot
gear
and
everything.
So
you
go
out
there
at
what
point?
Is
it
trying
to
bounce
equities
of
the
safety
of
the
community
versus
the
safety
of
the
individual
officers?
C
However,
many
yards
away
to
keep
the
the
to
elevate,
the
safety
of
the
officer
at
being
paramount.
But
then
you
should
fire.
The
projectile
and
and
innocent
biases
get
hurt
versus
going
into
the
crowd.
You
know
being
physical
about
it
and
maybe
getting
a
bruise
or
a
black
eye,
but
again
bystanders,
weren't
hurt.
H
Answer
a
couple
of
different
things
in
regards
to
your
questions
here,
so
I
mean
first
and
foremost,
I
mean
again,
this
is
a
tool
and
we,
when
we
look
at
tools
and
as
a
council
member
esparza,
I'm
sorry
council
member
arenas
alluded
to
in
when
she
was
talking
this,
and
this
specific
protest
was
against
police.
H
It
was
from
minnesota
it's
from
george
floyd
and
it
was
specifically
against
police
and
the
social
injustices
from
the
the
treatment
of
of
minorities
by
police
officers,
and
so
when
we
looked
at
that
from
a
standpoint,
yes,
police
officers
with
targets,
I
will
absolutely
disagree
with
you,
obviously,
that
our
police
officer
should
have
to
total
line,
and
you
know,
take
rocks
and
bottles,
and
I
know
you
didn't
mean
it
that
way,
but
because
if
that
is
the
point,
then
we
should
we
just
shouldn't
be
there.
H
H
It
could
be
here
tomorrow
where
we
have
other
people
that
are
involved
in
assaults
against
each
other
that
are
not
against
the
police,
and
we
look
at
what
tool
do
we
deploy
in
that
certain
circumstances
or
what
certain
tool
do
we
deploy
on
a
street
where
we
can't
deploy
gas,
and
we,
you
know,
are
not
just
going
to
push
the
crowd
until
you
know
the
next
day
or
the
next
morning
there
has
to
at
some
point
after
an
unlawful
assembly
after
violence
has
occurred
and
an
unlawful
assembly
has
been
declared,
there
has
to
be
a
mechanism
to
move
people,
and
it
has
to
be
a
mechanism
to
move
it
safely.
H
I
will
say
in
we
started
off
with
this.
You
know
absent.
In
the
first
couple
of
nights,
we
have
had
hundreds
well
over
100
protests.
Since
then,
one
of
the
biggest
ones
came
here.
The
police
department
with
over
2000
people-
and
I
know
that
the
council
member
foley,
talked
about
in
the
previous
meeting,
one
of
our
family
members
being
in
there
not
seeing
the
police,
and
that
was
by
design.
It
wasn't
that
we
weren't
here
it's
not
that
we
were
not
monitoring
and
blocking
traffic
so
that
it
didn't
get
into
the
crowd.
H
It's
not
that
we
were
not
ready
to
take
action
because
we
were
as
we
didn't,
because
there
was
no
violence
involved
in
it
and
there's
no
violence
against
us.
There's
no
violence
against
other
people,
and
I
think
that's
the
difference
here
is
any
violence.
That's
involved
and
again
just
getting
back
to
it.
H
The
less
lethal
portion
of
it
is
a
tool
and,
as
jason
talked
about
with
the
deployment
of
resources
into
a
crowd,
it
is
something
that
is
time
tested
not
just
by
this
police
department
but
across
the
nation,
and
I
think
we
see
what
ends
up
happening
with
hand-to-hand
combat
is
ugly
people
get
injured.
They
get
a
lot
more
injured
than
they
do
by
less
lethal
projectiles.
C
Thank
you
thank
you
for
for
the
response
captain
and
I
I
can
see
that
and
of
course
I
am
not
suggesting
that
that
we
set
our
officers
into
danger
at
all,
but
I
do
think
that
there
is
a
spectrum.
C
As
I
say,
we
need
to
give
our
officers
the
tools
that
they
need
to
protect
themselves
and
and
be
mindful
of
how
those
tools
are
used
and
and
if
the,
if
there's
even
a
chance
that
when
those
tools
are
used,
that
bystanders
are
harmed,
we
need
to
weigh
the
equities
to
use
a
legal
term
and
and
really
see
whether
that
that
tool
is
worthwhile
and
and
if
that,
if
we
take
that
tool
off
the
table
in
certain
circumstances,
and
that
means
that
there's
a
bit
of
heightened
danger
for
officers
whether
that
is
acceptable
because
they're,
you
know
it's
inherently
dangerous
job,
that
what
officers
do
and-
and
we
can't
minimize
it
completely.
C
We
it
wouldn't
be
a
police
force.
It
was
a
guaranteed.
You
know,
you're
gonna
come
home
every
day
at
five
and
there's
a
chance.
You
may
not,
because
you
face
somebody
that
is
dangerous
and
depraved
and
non-officers
will
come
home
and
that's
why
we
we
honor
officers
and
that's
why
we
hold
you
know
firefighters
and
officers
first
responders
up
as
heroes
right.
C
So
I
guess
I
just
put
that
out
there
for
discussion,
and
I
I
you
know
I
signed
onto
the
memo,
obviously
as
I'm
supportive
of
a
notion
there,
and
I
do
think
that,
in
the
context
of
the
discussion
we're
having
nationally
about
reimagining
police
and
reforming
police
tactics,
this
should
be
front
and
center.
If
we
take
away
the
tool,
we
got
to
find
ways
to
obtain
the
objective
without
the
possibility
of
harming
others.
C
You
got
to
be
like
water,
and
I
I
know
that
if
we
were
just
saying,
let's
ban
it
all
together,
it's
once
we'll
be
off
the
table,
but
I'm
certain
there
would
be
more
creative
ways
to
achieve
the
same
purpose
and-
and
I
truly
believe
that
so
thank
you
I'll
yield
with
that
mayor.
L
Yeah,
thank
you
mayor
and
appreciate
all
the
discussion.
L
I
was
not
intending
to
wait
until
close
to
nine
o'clock
to
speak,
but
from
transitioning
from
city
hall
to
my
parents
house
to
pick
up
my
son
back
now
home
I've,
I've
switched
devices
a
couple
times
and
so
my
hand
got
lowered
and
I've
been
re-raising
and-
and-
and
I
recognize
the
the
hour
here-
but
I
do
want
to
be
able
to
share
some
thoughts
and
certainly,
as
we
get
to
a
vote
on
these
three
important
items,
the
first
one
I
wanted
to
do.
L
It
sounds
like
we
have
three
motions
which
is
a
little
awkward
but-
and
I
know
mayor,
you
said
that
we
would
take
each
item
yeah
separately,
so
but
it
does
sound
like
now.
It's
this
point,
contrary
to
how
we
we
traditionally
will
work
where
we
will
discuss
emotion,
that's
on
the
table.
We
have
three
motions
right
now,
but
we
will
take
a
vote
separately
on
each
other.
The.
L
Got
it
so
the
I
think
the
the
4.3
motion,
the
one
that
was
actually
kind
of
continued
from
our
last
discussion
several
weeks
ago.
L
I
don't
know
if
there's
clarity
on
what
that
actual
motion
is
on
the
table,
just
because
I've
heard
a
couple
different
comments
of
individuals
that
seem
to
support
two
different
beliefs
on
what
that
motion
might
be,
and
I'm
speaking
in,
regards
to
the
ban
on
the
projectile
impact
weapons
within
crowds,
and
so
I
wanted
to
see
if
we
could
just
get
clarity
on
that
before.
I
share
my
comments.
K
Yes
and
tony
she
has
the
motion
ready,
yeah
there
we
go
tony,
can
you
read
it
or
post
it?
There
we
go.
B
L
K
Recommendation
plus
councilmember
adena
says
memo
with
the
change
of
moving
1a
to
create
a
2a,
and
then
we
just
added
the
amendment
to
include
a
referral
to
the
pizzfizz
work
plan
and
make
a
referral
to
the
ipa
when
an
exception
occurs.
A
There's
a
reference
to
the
portion
of
the
rubber
bullet
direction
from
our
earlier
memo,
so.
K
So
currently
it's
too
hold
on
I'm
pulling
the
language.
It
is
the
yes,
it's
correct.
It's
to
the
use
of
projectile
impact
weapons
against
persons
for
the
persons
for
the
purposes
of
crowd,
control
and
crowd.
Dispersals
is
prohibitive
prohibited
and
nothing
in
this
section
is
intended
to
prohibit
officers
from
using
a
projectile
impact
weapon
against
a
person
in
crowd,
consult
situations
who
is
actively
attacking
an
officer
or
another
person,
or
when
an
armed
person
poses
a
threat
to
officers
or
other
persons.
L
Yeah,
thank
you.
That's
that's
precisely
what
I
was
hoping
to
clarify
so
appreciate
that,
and
I
do
appreciate
my
colleagues
discussion
and
their
their
thoughts
on
all
of
these
really
important
items,
and
I
just
want
to
add
that
I'll
say
that
that
our
officers
do
actually,
they
do
actually
hear
what
we
discuss
here.
L
Some
of
them
actually,
on
these
you
know,
items
relevant
to
policing
stay
up
with
us,
not
just
the
command
staff
that
we
have
here
to
hear
these
discussions
and
and
most
others
follow
up
through
the
media
to
hear
the
report
outs
on
the
decisions
that
we
ultimately
make
at
the
end
of
the
the
day
or
the
evenings.
Here
I
actually
just
rode
my
patrol
shift
my
volunteer
requirement
as
a
reserve
officer
a
couple
weekends
ago
and
got
to
hear
from
officers
in
regards
to
everything
that
that's
going
on.
L
And
certainly
I
heard
from
a
number
of
my
my
friends
that
are
officers
ever
since
the
protests
took
place.
And-
and
you
know,
although
we're
talking
about
policies
and
practices
today,
I'll
I'll,
emphasize
that
none
of
it
really
matters.
Unless
you
can
actually
affect
a
change
in
the
culture
in
policing
and
more
specifically,
in
the
hearts
and
minds
of
the
actual
officers.
L
The
individual
officers
that
are
doing
the
jobs
and
and
a
lot
of
that
goes
with
write,
a
belief
and
an
acceptance
of
the
policies
and
practices
that
come
into
place
and
how
quickly
changes
may
actually
take
effect.
L
L
That
I'm
also
seeing
it
happen
and
occurring
with
the
individual
officers
that
are
actually
out
there
doing
the
work,
as
as
captain
dwyer
pointed
out
in
regards
to
the
number
of
officers
right
that
and
examples
that
he
shared
and
how
officers
were
were
individually
impacted
by
everything
that
was
transpiring,
and
it's
not
just
a
matter
of
the
issue
specifically
from
a
police
officer's
perspective.
L
As
we
know,
we
have
a
number
of
african-american
officers
on
our
force
right
and
minority
officers
here
on
our
force
and
and
and
how
they
are
impacted,
as
human
beings
also
plays
a
part
in
in
what
it
is
that
we're
doing,
and
ultimately
what
it
is
that
will
be
able
to
to
affect
change
on.
L
There
is
really
a
potential
for
for
unintended
consequences.
L
If
we
look
at
some
of
these
decisions
as
simple
or
if
we
make
some
of
the
decisions
quickly
and-
and
you
know,
for
instance,
I
was
actually
over
the
summer
after
I
had
initially
authored
the
memo
detailing
that
that
that
idea
of
reimagining
policing
here
I've
been
in
contact
with
a
number
of
professionals
like
health,
mental
health
workers,
social
service
workers,
domestic
violence
workers
and
had
a
lot
of
conversations
with
these
professionals
and-
and
they
have
expressed
to
me
how
they're
not
eager
to
respond
to
a
lot
of
these
police
calls
without
the
presence
of
officers
either
being
with
them
or
with
officers
actually
being
the
first
ones
on
the
calls
to
to
ensure
that
scenes
are
safe
for
them
to
come
in
as
unarmed
and
certainly
unprepared,
professionals
to
engage
in
any
sort
of
hostile
situation.
L
A
really
robust
conversation
in
regards
to
engaging
our
community
engaging
the
professionals
that
we're
that
we're
talking
about
assisting
us
in
this
reimagining
process
should
be
done
in
an
open
environment
should
be
done
in
a
very
collaborative
environment,
an
inclusive
environment
and-
and
I
think
that
that's
you
know
that
I
certainly
I
recognize
that
that
could
take
some
time.
And
I
I
certainly
don't
also
want
to
wait
right
a
year
or
even
potentially
longer
to
to
affect
some
of
the
change
in
in
these
instances
as
we're
talking
about.
L
But
the
reality
is
is
that
that
we
also
don't
want
to
make
decisions
to
bring
about
unintended
consequences,
and
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we
have
all
the
proper
voices
in
in
the
room
and-
and
in
that
regard,
I
know
that
councilmember
adenis
was
making
a
suggestion.
That's
now
part
of
the
motion
in
her
memo
to
incorporate
a
maybe
a
parallel
conversation
in
regards
to
how
we
may
interact
with
some
of
our
youth
and
in
domestic
violence.
Sexual
assault
situations,
as
the
suggestion
is
now
in
the
motion
to
direct
that.
L
Some
of
that
that
work
on
its
own
parallel
path.
Through
pis
fizz-
and
I'm
I'm
not
necessarily
going
to
oppose
that
as
part
of
the
motion,
but
I
will
suggest
an
alternative
approach
that
I
think
would
not
have
to
duplicate
efforts,
because
I'm
maybe
councilman
can
tell
me
if
I'm
wrong.
But
I
think
that
the
reasoning
there
is.
L
Recognizing
that
we're
going
to
be
discussing
a
lot
of
different
things
through
that
process
and
that
we
don't
necessarily
have
to
wait
until
the
end
of
the
process
to
come
forward
with
a
full
set
of
recommendations,
and
that
if
we
can
come
to
some
conclusions
along
the
way
that
we
can
implement
those
changes
as
we're
going
along
and
then
maybe
what
we
can
do
is
we
can
prioritize
certain
discussions
like
this
discussion
as
council
member
adanis
is
pointing
out
in
her
her
memorandum
as
some
of
the
early
topics
that
we
want
to
be
able
to
provide
some
recommendations
and
changes
on
in
my
mind,
rather
than
have
a
separate
parallel
discussion,
because
we
would
also
want
to
invite
our
our
community
to
be
a
part
of
that.
L
That
would
be
my
interest
is
that
we,
we
maybe
have
a
phased
approach
in
the
reimagining
process
and
we
and
we
prioritize
this
work
earlier
on
and
I'd
like
to
hear
from
councilmember
arenas
what
she
thinks
of
that.
As
you
pointed
out
as
the
chair
of
pissfizz,
that
would
be
my
recommendation
and
then
maybe
after
councilmember
adenos
gives
her
response.
If,
if
staff
wanted
to
respond.
I
Thank
you
councilmember,
so
the
the
phased
approach
that
you're
talking
about
is
that
has
to
do
with
my
whole
memo,
or
this
latest
edition
this
last
edition
that
I.
L
D
I
I
Yeah
one
has
to
do
with
the
domestic
violence
and
sexual
assault
piece
in
in
making
some
of
those
changes
to
the
duty
manual,
which
I
think
can
get
implemented
sooner
than
later.
And
I
don't.
I
don't
think
that
necessarily
has
to
be
a
phased-in
approach,
because
those
recommendations
come
directly
from
our
service
providers
and
our
joint
meetings
with
the
county.
And
so
those
are
not
necessarily
my
recommendations,
but
the
recommendations
from
the
folks
that
we've
been
working
with
for
for
quite
a
while.
Now.
L
L
Yeah,
I
would
agree
with
you
in
in
the
way
that
you're
describing
that
I
don't
know
if
staff
has
a
different
outlook
on
that,
but
I
would
agree
that
those
don't
necessarily
seem
like
they'd
have
to
go
through
the
reimagining
process.
I.
B
I
we
weren't
just
jennifer
mcguire,
we
weren't
planning
on
putting
those
through
through
the
reimagining
process
that
we
would
schedule
that
on
the
the
next
work
plan
and
and
it's
just
a
standalone
item
and
get
those
duty
manual,
changes
done
separately
and
and
just
since,
since
I'm
talking
council
member
perlis
yeah,
I
think
the
way
we
were
thinking
about
the
reimagining
is
we
would
we
wouldn't
we
would?
We
would
be
making
changes
along
the
way,
because
I
think
that
that's
what
makes
sense.
B
I
don't
think
we
want
to
just
do
it
all
at
once.
We
need
to
continually
evolve
and
continually
improve
and
and
and
bring
changes
along
the
way
that
make
sense
that
don't
need
to
wait
necessarily
for
something
else
to
be
done,
because
if
we're
going
to
change,
we
want
to
change
quickly,
as
it
makes
sense.
L
Okay,
yeah
so
really
just
the
final
portion
that
we've
added
on
councilmember
dennis.
I
I
I
had
initially
thought
that
we
should
just
drop
the
language
and
not
create
any
exceptions,
but
I
think
what
we've
built
here
is
an
opportunity
for
us
to
make
a
note
in
terms
of
what
the
trend
is
and
then
maybe
be
able
to
respond
to
it
and
so
instead
of
well,
I
I
think
it's
it's
better
when
we
have
some
level
of
data-
and
I
think
this
allows
us
for
for
us
to
have
that,
and
so
it
doesn't
make
the
change
immediately
and
I
think
that's
my
level
of
understanding.
I
L
So,
additionally,
you
know,
I
think,
through
the
the
process.
Some
of
the
questions
that
can
really
be
could
be
answered
are
some
of
the
topics
that
we're
discussing
today
that
are
important
things
like
the
impacts
of
handcuffing
children
and
trying
to
put
in
place
better
policies
to
to
limit
those
impacts,
but
at
the
same
time,
the
limitations
that
officers
have
on
how
to
restrain
a
violent
individual,
be
it
they're,
30
years
old
or
12
years
old.
L
If
it's
somebody,
that's
extremely
violent,
which
I
have
been
in
those
situations
as
an
officer
kids
as
young
as
10
years
old,
and
I
know
that
there's
examples
of
even
younger
but
myself,
personally,
kids
as
young
as
10
years
old,
extremely
violent
picking
up
weapons,
throwing
objects
at
their
parents,
injuring
their
parents,
their
siblings,
and
that
you
know
the
the
limited
options
that
anyone
has
to
be
able
to
restrain.
L
Someone
like
that
are
are
what
puts
us
in
in
this
situation
that,
where
you
may
not
have
to
put
handcuffs
on
someone,
but
could
that
not
be
part
of
the
conversation
to
be
able
to
expand?
What
sort
of
tools
that
we
give
officers
and
not
just
limit
officers
to
the
traditional
set
of
handcuffs
or
zip
ties
that
they
use
to
restrain
and
as
there
maybe
something
better
out
there
to
restrain
youth,
even
violent
youth,
and
maybe
somebody
from
the
police
department
can
answer
today.
L
If
you
know
off
the
top
of
your
head,
I
know
the
answer
for
right.
Other
other
other
tools
that
we
have.
I
know,
there's
there's
you
know
body
wraps,
we
can
use
again
the
zip
ties,
the
handcuffs
but
there's.
Let
me
know
if
I'm
wrong
that
there's
not
other
tools
that
we
have
to
be
able
to
restrain
someone.
That's
violent,
whether
they're,
again
they're
12
or
they're,
30.,
correct.
F
Sorry
I'll
hit
the
wrong
button.
Yeah,
no
you're,
you're
right
council
member
at
this
point,
there's
there's
not
a
whole
lot
of
options.
We
have
in
restraining
other
than
the
physical
restraints.
We
have
now
with
handcuffs
and
zip
ties,
and
you
know
the
rap
I
I
I
don't
even
know
in
recent
history.
I
don't
even
know.
I
can't
even
remember
a
time
that
a
rap
has
been
used
against
a
juvenile.
L
Me
neither
I
was
just
listing
off
another
form
of
restraint,
there's
there's
not
many
right,
and
so,
when
it
comes
to
restraining
someone,
that's
violent,
whether
they
are
under
13
under
12
or
or
or
not
there
just
aren't
there
aren't
that
many
tools
to
be
able
to
use
to
do
that,
and
so
again
I
think
some
of
these
discussions
could
be
where
we,
where
we
have
you
know,
changes
through
through
this
reimagining
process
or
at
least
begin
that
dialogue.
L
Should
there
be
something
different,
should
there
be
another
option,
because
we
know
what
what
the
impact
that
handcuffs
have
on
on
youth
and
and
could
we
not
have
something
that
we
that
we
design-
I
imagine,
there's
smart
enough
people
in
our
society
to
be
able
to
do
so,
but
maybe
we
just
haven't
asked
those
questions.
Maybe
we
haven't
demanded
it
enough.
Similarly,
the
same
could
be
sent
for
for
less
than
lethal
weaponry.
L
L
To
try
and
subdue
an
individual
and
the
reality
is,
is
they're
just
not
that
many
as
you've
listed
off
from
beginning
with
verbal
commands
to
to
to
the
projectile
impact
weapons
that
we're
talking
about
today.
Things
like
tasers
all
the
way
up
to
a
firearm
right.
Could
there
be,
and
should
there
be
other
tools
that
maybe
could
be
more
effective
and
potentially
cause
less
injuries
than
what
we
have
today
and,
and
those
are
discussions
that
I
think
that
that
not
only
need
to
be
had.
L
Then
we
can't
just
put
the
blame
on
officers
for
the
limited
tools
that
they
have
and
the
over
abundance
or
the
over-reliance
that
we
have
on
officers
to
address
a
myriad
of
issues
in
our
society
and
and
just
a
a
mere
few
of
them
being
real
violent
in
the
majority
of
them
a
lot
of
social
issues,
but
yet
that
we
we
call
in
police
to
respond
to
and-
and
I
think
that,
there's
a
lot
of
there's
a
lot
of
anxiety
on
on
all
sides
of
this
issue.
L
Whether
you've
been
subject
to
police
arrest
or
police
abuse
or
if
you're,
an
officer
and
you've
been
subject
to
abuse
from
from
community
members
or
you've
been
stuck
in
situations
where
you
only
have
limited
tools
to
be
able
to
utilize.
L
And
I
can
I
can
tell
you
and,
as
was
pointed
out
by
the
responses
here
from
our
command
staff
personally
every
single
day
that
I
put
on
the
uniform
and
went
to
work.
Never
once
did
I
wake
up
and
go
into
work.
L
Thinking
that
I
would
be
getting
into
some
sort
of
altercation
that
day.
Nor
was
I
was
I
asking
for
it
or
hoping
for
it.
I
was
hoping
to
go
out,
make
a
difference
in
my
community
and
then
be
able
to
come
home
to
my
family
safely
and
and
that's
the
majority
of
of
our
officers
in
this
country
granted.
We
know
and
we've
seen
examples
across
the
country
of
bad
actors
and
it's
not
just
in
policing.
We
know
that
it's
in
in
all
industries
and
all
walks
of
life.
L
We
have
bad
people
and-
and
we
also
have
people
that
maybe
good
people
that
make
bad
mistakes
and
and
we've
seen
that,
and
we
need
to
be
able
to
right
those
wrongs.
We
need
to
be
able
to
to
do
better.
We
need
to
hold
ourselves
more
accountable,
no
doubt
but
the
the
decisions
that
we
make.
L
The
ramifications
of
them
are
and
could
be
huge
and-
and
we
want
to
be
able
to
make
those
consciously
knowing
what
all
those
those
effects
could
be,
and
I'm
appreciative
of
the
dialogue
that
my
colleagues
have
put
into
this
discussion.
L
The
fact
that
we
don't
all
necessarily
see
eye
to
eye
that
is
democracy
and
that
we
are
striving
for
a
better
society
for
our
community
members,
not
just
here
in
san
jose
but
setting
examples,
as
our
city
has,
as
our
police
department
has
for
the
country
and-
and
I
think
we
are
achieving
that
today,
in
how
we
are
moving
forward.
L
L
The
first
one
was
the
way
that
we
rolled
out
the
curfew
and
how
that
how
that
put
our
council,
I
think
our
officers
and
our
community
members
in
further
jeopardy-
and
this
has
been
discussed.
I
made
this
personally
clear
after
the
first
week
in
a
protest,
as
I
advocated
that
we
that
we
end
the
curfew,
because
I
felt
that
it
would
further
exasperate
if
we
kept
it
in
place.
L
Some
of
the
civil
unrest
and
ultimately,
I
think
that
that
we
did
not
see
any
escalation
and,
in
fact,
as
the
police
department
changed
some
of
their
tactics
and
their
response,
we
were
able
to
maintain
a
predominantly
peaceful
protest.
Following
that
that
that
decision,
the
other
two
were
the
inappropriate
actions
of
individual
officers,
and
we
know
that
the
most
prominent
one,
as
has
been
brought
up
number
of
times
this
thing
officer
jared
yuan.
L
And
so
I
appreciate
the
response
from
our
police
department
and
the
command
staff
in
the
response
today,
just
to
clarify
that
he
is
not
on
patrol
he's
not
in
the
streets.
He's
not
responding
to
calls
he's
on
administrative
duty
until
the
internal
affairs
investigation
and,
ultimately
the
ipa.
I
know
that
the
majority
of
the
the
complaints
coming
in
were
regarding
him
and
until
now
that
is
complete.
L
These
projectiles
and-
and
so
I
think
that
we
have
had
an
opportunity
to
to
address
these,
and
I
really
do
appreciate
the
police
department's
response
and-
and
I
wanted
to
to
be
able
to
just
read
off-
and
I
know
that
the
chief
already
read
it
off,
but
I
want
to
be
able
to
read
off
the
police
department's.
The
third
bullet
on
the
the
new
duty
manual
section.
L
That
really,
I
think,
is,
is
what
makes
a
difference
here,
because
it
it
says
such
use
shall
be
in
compliance
with
the
duty
manual
section.
L2629
use
projectile
effect
weapons
when
aiming
a
piw
at
a
violent
individual
during
crowd
control
situations.
Officers
are
reminded
of
their
responsibility
for
accurate
round
placement
and
their
duty
to
avoid
striking
unintended
subjects.
L
That's
followed
up
by
talking
about
any
violations
of
that
policy
would
result
in
subject
and
officer
to
a
department-initiated
investigation
could
lead
to
discipline,
because
again,
that
would
not
be
within
policy
if,
if
that
was
not
followed
and
for
me,
I
think
that
the
the
major
issue
that
we
had-
and
it
was
expressed
in
the
police
report,
was
that
we
had.
We
had
essentially
the
completely
opposite
policy.
L
We
had
a
policy
that
was
that
was
allowing
and
authorizing
the
use
of
these
impact
weapons
to
be
ricocheted
off
of
the
ground,
specifically
to
just
disperse
a
crowd,
and,
as
was
pointed
out
in
the
report,
I
think
it
was.
It
was
really
telling,
for
you
know
no
other
circumstance.
Besides
the
fact
that
we
had
never
had
the
situation,
a
situation
like
this,
we
hadn't
used
it.
There
hadn't
been
a
a
real
life
situation
of
of
you
know.
L
Mass
protests
like
this
and
deploying
that
that
the
use
of
these
weapons
in
that
manner,
and
ultimately,
after
the
the
first
weekend
of
protest
in
what
we
saw,
occur
and
how
ineffective
they
were,
and
and
and
in
fact,
the
opposite,
how
maybe
effective
they
were
at
hitting
innocent
individuals.
L
The
policy
changed,
and
this
was
actually
before
even
are
provoking
it
to
do
so,
and
I
appreciate
that
response
from
from
the
chief
in
recognizing
that
recognizing
that
that
this
is
a
change
that
needed
to
occur
apologize.
My
bluetooth
just
died.
H
L
No
bluetooth,
so
I
do
appreciate
the
police
department,
the
chief
recognizing,
that
and
and
being
able
to
being
able
to
put
in
place
that
change,
because
now
what
we
have
is
a
duty
manual
policy
that
specifically
prohibits
that
particular
use
of
these
projectiles.
L
And
for
me
I
feel
as
though
that
is
the
number
one
reason
why
we
saw
individuals,
innocent
individuals,
peaceful
protesters
become
injured
by
by
these
projectiles
because
of
their
ricochet,
because
of
their
inaccuracy
and
and
that
the
restricted
use
that
is
now
put
in
place
in
the
duty
manual
policy.
L
Limiting
that
use
for
actual
violent
aggressors
to
be
able
to
to
subdue
those
individuals
and
knowing
that
a
violation
of
the
policy.
Knowing
that
you
have
to
factor
in
the
surrounding
areas,
the
individuals,
the
innocent
individuals
that
may
be
surrounded
surrounding
that
that
violent
aggressor,
that
that
has
to
now
be
part
of
the
the
thought
process,
whereas
it
didn't
have
to
be
before
at
all.
In
fact,
it
was
just
a
matter
of
we're
just
dispersing
a
crowd,
regardless
of
who
may
be
there.
L
L
I
did
not
want
to
use
a
bat
on
a
human
being.
I
did
not
don't
know
many
officers
that
get
excited
about
that
and
and
and
although,
when
you
have
limited
tools
at
your
discretion,
you
have
to
be
able
to
utilize
what's
there
and
in
fact,
when
the
duty
manual
authorizes
those
these
are.
These
are
tools
that
officers
feel
comfortable
and
that
they
they
can
use.
L
L
But
as
we
remove
some
of
those
tools,
especially
the
less
than
lethal
tools,
we
limit
our
officers
on
those
options
that
they
have
and
then
you
do
put
officers
in
these
situations
where
maybe
you're
asking
them
simply
to
strike
somebody
with
a
baton
or,
ultimately,
in
certain
circumstances,
you
may
be
asking
them
to
use
their
firearm
versus
a
a
less
than
lethal
projectile
and-
and
I
don't
think,
that's
the
type
of
limit
that
we
should
put
on
our
officers
and
that
we
should
put
within
our
community.
L
I
I
do
think
that
we
need
to
use
a
really
high
level
of
discretion,
as
is
described
in
the
new
duty
manual
policy
on
when
we
utilize
these
tools,
specifically,
if
we
are
going
to
utilize
them
when
there
is
a
crowd
and
that
our
officers
do
contemplate
the
use
of
other
tools,
as
we
know
that
we
have
things
like
oc
spray
and
tear
gas,
but
that,
ultimately,
if
other
tools
are
ineffective,
we
should
not
take
away
the
opportunity
of
of
this
tool
that
we
know
is
much
less
impactful
and
less
lethal
than
a
handgun
and
then
potentially
even
going
hands-on
and
just
to
describe
a
little
bit
there.
L
To
answer.
I
know
that
I
didn't
didn't
hear
it
from
the
chief
or
I
think
it
was
deputy
tyndall
in
regards
to
why
we
don't
go,
why
officers
don't
go
hands-on
is
at
least
they
try
to
avoid
that
every
single
officer
out
there
is
carrying
a
gun
on
them.
Sometimes
a
couple
guns
and
when
you
go
hands-on
with
a
a
subject,
you
now
put
that
gun
within
their
reach
and
and
these
are
not
things
that
are
that
are
hard
to
to
to
grab.
L
Obviously,
an
officer
has
to
be
able
to
pull
a
gun
out
pretty
quickly
and,
and
there
are
individuals
out
there
that
train
to
pull
guns
from
officers
pretty
quickly,
and
so,
when
you
go
into
close
contact
with
someone,
you
now
put
all
of
the
weaponry.
That
is
on
an
officer
you
now
put
that
into
that
fight
and
if
you
can
avoid
doing
that,
if
you
can
keep
a
distance,
a
safe
distance
and
use
tools
that
are
less
impactful,
that
don't
introduce
something
like
a
firearm
into
that
equation.
L
It's
better
for
everybody,
for
the
officer
and
for
the
individual
that
you're
trying
to
to
detain
and
for
the
the
the
innocent
bystanders
that
are
around
as
well
and-
and
so
I
am
going
to
be
supporting
the
the
motion
that
is
currently
on
the
table
for
4.3.
L
L
I
think
that
helps
to
be
able
to
tell
the
stories
of
what's
going
on
and
when
we,
when
we
hold
those
back
the
longer,
we
do,
I
think,
the
worse
it
makes
situations
and-
and
I
will
be
supporting
as
well
the
acceptance
of
the
after-action
report,
knowing
that
this
indeed,
is
not
the
final
report,
knowing
that
we
will
have
a
more
comprehensive
one
through
our
independent
police
auditor
and
the
consultant
that
we're
hiring.
L
I
think
it's
unfortunate
that
I
did
hear
that
a
lot
of
obviously,
cities
and
departments
are
procuring.
This
work
right
now,
and
so
that
could
potentially
take
a
little
longer
than
expected.
I'm
not
necessarily
excited
about
that,
but
recognize
that
I
agree
with
the
comment
that
was
made
earlier,
I
think,
was
by
councilmember
spars
at
the
beginning
that
I
don't
want
to
sacrifice
quality
for
expediency,
and
so
I
will
be
supporting
all
three
of
the
motions
that
we
have
on
the
table.
Thanks.
A
Thank
you.
There
is
one
problem
with
one
of
the
motions
on
the
table
and
that
is
I'm
not
sure.
If
councilman
canvas
is
still
with
us
cancer
member
you,
I
know,
you've
been
you've
been
ill.
Are
you?
Are
you
still
yeah?
I
am
still
here:
okay,
you're
hanging
on.
Thank
you,
sir.
I
know
you
made
one
of
the
motions
and,
if
you
go
then
so
does
the
motion.
So
thanks
for
hanging
around
all
right,
so
we
have
an
opportunity
now
to
vote
on
4.2.
A
That
is
councilman
canvas's
motion.
Does
anyone
need
to
be
reminded
of
that
motion
before
we
vote?
A
Okay
and
tony,
let's
vote.
H
B
H
B
J
A
Okay
and
item
4.3,
with
any
comments
before
we
vote,
I
just
have
one
I
want
to
clarify
one.
I
think
insertion
was
made
that
somehow
or
another
I'm
trying
to
aspire
to
reach
the
standards.
The
israeli
defense
forces
with
my
comment,
just
the
opposite:
it's
a
it's,
a
military,
that's
widely
criticized
by
by
some
for
human
rights
violations.
I
was
simply
pointing
out
that
they
have
minimum
safe
distance
standards
and
from
our
conversation
it
appears
that
our
standard
is
it's
a
fair
shot
between
five
and
75
feet,
and
I'm
not
sure.
A
I
think
that
if
you
look
at
page
101
of
the
the
staffs
after
action
report
suggests
that
the
manufacturer
says
there
should
be
a
minimum
safe
distance
that
is
greater
than
five
feet,
and
so
I
am
very
concerned
we
don't
have
a
minimum
safe
distance
standard,
even
the
idf
has.
I
would
strongly
encourage
sjp
to
consider
that,
but
I
understand
that
they
are
not
immutable
to
it.
So
I
suspect
that
it's
going
to
be
something
like.
A
The
old
adage
that
we
heard
from
will
rogers
that
some
learn
by
reading
some
by
observations
and
just
have
to
pee
on
the
fence
and
the
electric
fence
and
figure
it
out,
and
so
we're
going
to
figure
it
out,
and
I
hope
that
eventually
we're
going
to
get
to
a
standard
that
we
are
going
to
be
able
to
feel
confident,
we'll
keep
everyone
as
safe
as
possible,
both
officers
and
bystanders.
A
Okay,
let's
vote
on
4.3.
B
J
B
E
J
A
A
Before
we
vote
on
this,
I'd
like
to
just
clarify
one
thing
that
we're
doing,
which
is
my
understanding,
is
we're
just
accepting
the
report.
We're
not
necessarily
accepting
conclusions
in
the
report
is,
is
that
is
that
accurate,
nora
or
just
trying
to
understand
what
the
impact
is
of
this
vote?.
A
That
concludes
that
our
problems
emanated
from
insufficient
equipment,
and
I
know
that
some
may
believe
that
that
then
should
justify-
or
that's
some
way
of
us
heading
down
the
road
along
a
shopping
trip
for
devices
and
equipment
for
the
the
police
department,
ranging
from
a
fixed-wing
aircraft
uas
to
lrads
and
from
my
reading
the
report,
it
seemed
to
me
that
there
are
alternatives
to
spending
enormous
amounts
of
money
on
more
devices.
A
I
know
with
regard
to
the
uas.
I
know
it
wasn't.
A
With
regard
to
the
the
rubber
bullets
page
100
of
the
after
action
report
describes
how
special
operations,
40
millimeter
devices,
are
equipped
with
red
dot
options,
optics
and
a
flashlight,
and
so
clearly
some
of
these
things
we
do
have
and
even
the
fixed
wing
aircraft.
I
know
we
don't
have
a
plane,
but
we
did
just
buy
a
new
helicopter
and
the
county
has
access
to
a
plane.
A
As
I
understand
it
two
days
a
week
and
it
seems
to
me
that
could
be
something
we
could
negotiate
and
discuss
with
the
county
about
how
we
could
get
greater
access
to
their
plane.
If
we
need
to
supplement
what
our
helicopter
does,
so
I
just
don't
want
our
approval
of
this
to
be
somehow
another
suggestion
to
the
city
manager
or
to
the
police
chief,
that
this
is
a
green
light
on
spending
when
we're
going
into
a
very,
very
difficult
budgetary
year,
and
I
want
to
save
every
dollar
we've
got
to
keep
people
on
board.
A
J
Yeah-
and
I
just
if
I
could
mayor
just,
let
me
just
acknowledge
that
absolutely
you
know
the
recommendations
are
internal
to
the
police
chief
and
and
I'm
not
viewing
this
as
counsel
or
your
endorsement
of
those
recommendations.
Only
that
we've
done
the
report
as
as
requested
to
bringing
it
to
council
for
approval.
A
Thank
you
all
right.
Let's
vote
on
item
4.4
and.
I
Mayor,
I
can,
I
can
clarify
and
and
just
add,
to
accept
the
report
for
informational
purposes
only
as
I.
I
am
also
concerned
that
people
would
think
that
we
are
supporting
everything.
That's
in
the
report.
A
A
Okay,
so
council
member
arenas-
I
it
appears
you
wanted
to
perhaps
modify
I'm
not
sure
you
do.
Based
on
what
nora
has
just
said,
you
still
want
to
modify
your
emotion.
I
I
think
it's
the
same.
I
mean
it's
the
same
thing.
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
that
our
audience
knows
that
we
are
only
accepting
the
report.
Okay,
not
any
of
the
recommendations.
B
A
L
A
Thank
you.
Okay,
we're
moving
on
to
item
8.1
the
tax
equity
and
fiscal
responsibility
act;
hearing
from
markham
plaza
apartments
located
on
monterey,
road.
K
Yes,
thank
you
mayor,
so
I
just
wanted
to
thank
staff
and
thank
core
for
all
of
their
work
on
this.
This
is
an
opportunity
to
leverage
more
of
county
measure,
a
funds
to
increase
investments
in
markham
plaza,
which
both
buildings
combined
are
300
units
and
they
need
investments
to
ensure
the
safety
and
the
well-being
of
the
residents
there,
and
so
I'd
like
to
thank
staff
and
and
core
for
their
work
and
ensuring
that
that
work
is
done
and
that
we're
able
to
add
services
and
security
improvements.
K
So
I'd
like
to
move
to
move
my
memo,
which
is
to
accept
the
updated
security
plan
described
in
the
staff
supplemental
memo,
including
the
ensuring
the
hiring
of
a
second
on-site
security
guard
covering
from
8
pm
to
8
a.m.
In
addition
to
the
24-hour
security
guard.
Second,.
A
All
right
motion
in
a
second
any
comments.
We
have
any
comments
from
members
of
the
community
on
item
8.1.
The
tepra
hearing
for
markham
plaza
apartments
on
monterey,
road
person
with
the
phone
number
ending
five
one.
Four.
D
Zero
yeah,
I
just
would
like
you
guys,
to
vote
no
on
something
once
in
a
while.
You
guys
pass
every
wrong
law.
There
is
on
the
planet
and
every
every
bad
thing
that
comes
san
jose's
weight
is
well
deserved
because
of
this
city
council,
and
because
of
you,
mayor
ricardo,
you.
A
A
Thank
you
all
right
back
to
the
council.
Let's
vote
jimenez.
J
L
A
B
M
M
M
This
development
was
born
out
of
a
vision
by
emmanuel
evangelical
lutheran
church
to
take
action
to
address
the
need
for
our
for
homeless
housing
here
in
san
jose.
They
reached
out
to
the
mid
peninsula
housing
as
a
partner
to
develop
permanent,
supportive
housing
on
an
underutilized
portion
of
their
church
campus.
M
M
A
D
Yeah,
I
think
homeless,
housing
developments
are
crazy.
There's
we
have
enough
people
living
in
this
town.
Already
you
can't
even
have
a
hot
day
without
the
micro
grid
going
down.
There's
is
there
enough
water?
Is
there
enough
electricity?
Is
there
enough
police?
Is
there
going
to
be
enough
social
workers
to
handle
all
the
homeless
former
homeless
people
who
have
homes
built
by
taxpayer
dollars
to
live
there?
Is
there
going
to
be
enough?
D
Is
there
going
to
be
enough
of
these
people
who
aren't
going
to
be
able
to
handcuff
someone
who
goes
crazy
to
be
able
to
handle
this
area?
I
don't
think
so.
I
don't
think
so.
You
know
I
don't
I
hate
to
say
this,
but
as
a
roman
catholic
there's
a
thing,
a
lutheran
thing,
we
used
to
call
him
heretics
back
in
the
day,
which
is
inherent.
This
is
enough,
terminate
that
call.
A
We
won't
tolerate
any
kind
of
language
which
is
disparaging
to
any
religious
or
ethnic
group,
counselor
menace.
J
Thank
you
mayor
appreciate
it.
I
want
to
speak
just
it
seems
like
both
items
were
presented
together,
but
I'm
speaking
mainly
about
the
blossom
hill
project.
I
I
wanted
to
extend
my
thank
you
to
kathy
and
dan.
It
seems
like
it's
been.
It
seems
almost
two
years
ago
that
we
had
some
initial
conversations
in
my
office
about
their
interest
in
purchasing
that
property
from
the
furniture
store
that
was
there
and
prior
to
that.
J
We
they
had
the
aloha
roller,
rink
and-
and
I
also
want
to
thank
the
housing
department,
planning
department-
really
took
a
herculean
effort
from
everyone
to
get
this
over
the
finish
line.
J
I
also
want
to
express
that
you
know
from
the
very
beginning
I
relayed
to
kathy
and
her
team
at
charities
that
what
was
important
to
me
and
I'm
sure,
is
important
to
every
council
members
that
there
was
a
very
thorough
and
and
solid
sort
of
outreach
process
to
the
residents
and
I'm
happy
to
say
that
they
did
just
that.
You
know
over
the
course
of
this
project
of
getting
it
to
this
point.
They
had
approximately
23
neighborhood
association
meetings
and
community
meetings.
J
Hundreds
of
conversations
many
tours
to
many
of
their
projects
across
this
city
and
other
cities.
They
also
obviously
went
before
the
planning
commission
and
so
very
proud
of
the
fact
that
they
really
did
a
thorough
job
and
vetting
all
the
interests
and
really
incorporating
a
lot
of
the
concerns
that
were
brought
forward.
Legitimate
concerns.
I
should
say
that
were
brought
forward
by
by
the
residents
in
the
area
and
so
very
excited
about
it.
J
They've
even
and
I've
asked
I
was
asked
this
question
offline,
but
some
folks
were
curious
about
the
public
art
pro
sort
of
component
of
this,
and
they've
essentially
agreed
to
provide
a
canvas
for
an
artist
that
we're
going
to
get
to
paint
a
mural
right
there
facing
blossom
home
road,
which
I
think
is
only
going
to
be
that
make
the
project
even
more
attractive
and
really
add
some
vibrancy
to
the
area
that
I
think
is
in
desperate
need
of.
J
But
with
that
said,
I'd
like
to
move
approval
of
this
very
proud
of
the
fact.
This
is
going
in
district
2,
and
this
is
one
of
many
things
that
we're
taking
on
to
move
some
of
these
important
issues
forward,
and
I'm
very
proud
of
that.
Thank.
B
J
A
Thank
you
very
much,
council
members.
There
is
a
motion
in
a
second
other
comments.
A
I
also
want
to
thank
charities,
housing
midpen
for
stepping
up,
as
they
have
time
and
time
again,
to
provide
affordable
housing
for
us.
I
want
to
thank
the
lewiston
congregation
for
stepping
up
in
a
huge
way
and
thanks
to
jackie
and
rachel
and
everybody
on
your
teams
for
pushing
forward.
This
is
all
great
news
to
see
it
see
it
all
happening
all
right.
Any
last
comments
before
we
vote
all
right.
Tony
jimenez.
A
All
right
that
passes
so
both
the
I'm
sorry
that
was
was
that
just
8.3
or
was
that
that
was
on
both
I
just
did
8.3.
I
wasn't
sure
if
we
were
doing
both
together.
I'm
sorry,
forgive
me.
I
was
speaking
on
both
and
forgive
me.
So
I
guess
we
need
a
motion.
Eight
point.
Four.
Eight
point.
E
I
think
I
think
he
did
council
member
jimenez
said
8.2
8.3
is
the
moor
park
and
I
will
move
approval
of
that.
B
K
A
Hi,
okay,
thank
you.
We're
going
to
recall
now
item
3.5,
which
is
proposition
17,
the
free,
the
vote.
California
act.
We're
going
to
open
up
public
comment,
one
last
time
for
that.
Anyone
who
has
spoken
already
will
not
be
allowed
to
speak,
but
if
you
haven't
yet
spoken
and
you'd
like
to
chime
in
about
proposition
17,
the
free
the
vote,
california
act,
you're
welcome
to
do
so.
I'll
remind
my
colleagues.
A
K
B
C
K
J
Hi,
thank
you.
We
are
at
a
time
as
people
of
individual
communities
to
consider
ideas
and
thought
and
how
this
can
bring
ideas
of
peace.
J
Thanks
to
some
words
I
heard
today
and
tonight
it
may
be
hopeful
the
dialogue
we
can
have
at
this
time
in
a
boy's
soccer
club
agreement
with
the
sap
center
being
approved
in
a
consent
calendar
today.
I
hope
I
can
address
a
larger
issue
and
how
to
better
describe
a
possible
future
of
converting
the
sap
center
into
a
bart
station
for
the
deer
on
station
area
and
that
as
ideas
of
a
new
arena
by
the
earthquake,
stadium
or
spartan
stadium,
it
can
help
address
the
future
of
downtown
parking
issues.
J
I've
been
practicing
public
speaking
for
a
couple
weeks
now
on
this
issue
and
and
hope,
I'm
hopefully
learning
more
responsible
ways
to
better
talk
about
it.
I'm
learning
it
can
simply
be
a
decent
service
to
speak
about
it
publicly
and
that
this
idea
can
simply
be
a
part
of
the
many
ideas
a
city
has
when
trying
to
develop
projects
and
that
these
ideas
are
by
no
means
absolute
or
final
about
the
sap
center
and
bart.
At
this
time,
thank
you
with,
however
much
time
I
have
left.
I
have
45
seconds.
J
You
know
things
were
a
little
tense
when
this
meeting
first
started
today-
and
you
know,
I
think,
we're
all
a
bit
on
edge.
I
was
not
allowed.
You
know
to
speak
publicly.
You
know
I've
kind
of
developed,
a
space
to
be
able
to,
and
it's
a
little
annoying
I
understand,
but
that
was
taken
away
from
me
today.
I
had
10
extra
seconds
on
on
my
public
comment
for
the
police
items
and
the
consent
calendar
items.
There
is
a
standard,
that's
accepted,
and
how
to
speak
about
consent.
J
If
you
pull
an
item,
a
person
can
speak
on
it,
even
if
they've
already
spoken
on
on
the
overall
consent.
Please
allow
public
space
public
comment
and
time
for
public
comment.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you,
sir
understood
scotland.
M
Good
evening,
everyone,
scott
largent-
I
I'm
sitting
here
in
in
my
my
camper
van
and
I'm
reviewing
a
lot
of
the
footage
that
I
was
able
to
film.
I
get
the
best
wi-fi
footage
right
near
the
starbucks
right
near
city
hall,
right
there
on
3rd
street,
and
I
was
fortunate
enough
that
I
stayed
down
there
for
almost
the
entire
time
of
the
protesting.
So
I
I
was
I
mean
I
have
just
the
the
amount
of
footage
I
have
is
unbelievable.
M
Fortunately
enough,
I
have
a
really
nice
note,
phone
and
and
the
camera
it
just
does
some
amazing
things
and
after
the
fact,
you're
able
to
zoom
in
the
audio
is
fantastic.
What
I'm
getting
at
is.
I
was
able
to
figure
out
how
the
san
jose
police
department
was
doing
this
and
how
they
were
utilizing,
the
motorcycle
cops
and
how
they
were
able
to
push
people
down
different
sections
and
just
kind
of
how
the
get
down
went
down.
I
put
a
video
up.
M
The
world
is
watching
and
sjpd
needs
a
big
timeout,
and
this
was
filmed
on
st
john
and
third,
and
these
are
san
jose
state
students
that
were
basically
chased
down
the
road.
There's
a
tank,
there's
a
bunch
of
different
motorcycles.
M
M
These
are
students,
and
this
was
their
first
experience
at
a
protest,
and
I
remember
my
first
experience.
I
was
at
redwood
junior
high
school.
I
was
in
seventh
grade
and
we
kind
of
had
this
walk
out
thing
where
we
all
sat
out
on
the
front
lawn
and
ditch
class
for
a
couple
of
hours,
and
I
believe
we
got
sunday
school
for
it
or
something
like
that.
But
I
I
just
feel
bad
these.
M
These
kids
came
out
there
and
I
get
to
know
them
all
downtown
and-
and
I
think,
they're
good,
kids
and
they're
always
pushed
off
as
the
usual
suspects.
They
stop
and
frisk
them.
They
they
search
their
cars
without
warrants
the
pd
needs
to
slow
down.
These
are
good,
kids
and
and
stop
making
everybody.
The
usual
suspect
thank
you.
D
D
As
you
know,
many
of
us
now
are
basically
homebound
and
we
have
got
to
work
from
my
homes
all
day,
long
and
zoom
calls
and
and
gas
blow
gas
blowers
down.
Computer
they're
not
good
best
fellows,
so
I'm
always
wondering
if
the
the
council
will
consider
some
kind
of
ordinance
that
would
ban
gas
blowers,
at
least
between
9
00,
am
and
9
to
5
every
day
so
that
you
know
we
can
carry
on
with
our
business
from
our
homes.
D
And
my
last
comment,
please
remind
council
member
carasco
to
wear
seatbelt
which
is
on
driving
during
zoom
calls.
Thank
you.
A
The
person
with
the
phone
number
ending
five
one,
four
zero.
D
Hello,
hello,
yeah,
there's
many
things
the
city
does
wrong
and
all
these
new
developments
just
vote
no
right
now.
This
is
not
the
time
to
start
start
building,
including
the
weingarten
debacle
over
there
that
pam
foley
loves
so
much.
It's
gonna
be
a
disaster
if
you
decide
to
build
there.
Secondly,
what's
with
the
new
bmw
motorcycles
for
the
san
jose
police
department,
I
mean
it's
always
been
a
snooty
yuppy
department
with
everybody
becoming
a
millionaire
during
their
retirement
years
or
before.
D
We
even
have
some
people
who
decided
to
money
launder
18
million
dollars
from
a
private
security
company.
One
of
your
you
know
very
best
blue
boys.
There
trying
to
do
an
illegal
business
in
a
security
company.
Nobody
knew
about
it
either.
I
don't
believe
it
also
quote
no
on
prop
17.
He
I
mean
hey
these
felons
and
he's
pedophile.
That
seem
to
be
getting
all
this
positive
attention.
I
hope
every
single,
felon
and
pedophile
moves
next
door
to
everybody
on
that
city
council,
including
you,
sam
ricardo.
D
It
looks
like
you
got
some
decent
neighbors,
but
imagine
if
those
other
people
start
started
moving
in.
You
already
have
enough
trouble
with
spray
paint
on
the
front
of
your
house.
Thirdly,
good
riddance
to
eddie
garcia.
However,
we
probably
will
miss
him
when
we're
gone
cuz.
I
can
just
imagine
what
kind
of
loser
is
gonna
be
appointed
to
be
the
new,
the
new
police
chief
and
as
for
arresting
people.
You
know
if
I
was
a
cop
and
a
skinny
millennial
was
yelling
in
my
face.
D
I'd
punch
him
too,
I
probably
wouldn't,
but
I
probably
wouldn't
use
a
shotgun.
I'd,
probably
use
my
fist,
that's
what
they
that's
what
they
deserve
and
if
you
people
would
have
given
them
the
great
the
grape
shot
in
2016
the
chickens
wouldn't
have
come
home
to
roost
in
2020.,
sjpd
and
sam
ricardo.
You
guys
get
what
you
deserve:
you're
terrible.
A
Thank
you.
The
person
with
the
phone
number
ending
one
three,
six,
seven.
D
D
There
was
not
much
comment
from
the
police
chief
nov,
and
these
are
areas
that
I
think
during
this
time,
we're
forgetting
some
of
the
most
important
things
that
women
need
from
a
police
department,
and
that
is
to
investigate
these
things
and
not
let
us
out
there
to
dry,
but
really
I'm
calling
about
the
reimagining
that
the
council
members
spoke
about,
the
police,
chief
and
and
all
the
other
police
involved
in
the
reimagining
of
what
police
work
should
be.
D
D
We
talk
about
defunding
the
police
department?
What
does
that
really
mean?
Have
you
even
discussed
that?
So
when
you
talk
about
reimagining,
I'm
hoping
that
you're
going
to
be
able
to
look
at
the
financial
goals
of
bringing
in
those
partners,
such
as
mental
health
workers,
to
help
out
when
police
are
called
and
that
we
don't
have
escalating
situations,
because
you
have
people
involved
that
have
the
expertise
to
deal
with
those
or
those
situations.
Thank
you.
So
much.