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City of San José, California
Joint meeting of City Public Safety, Finance & Strategic Support and County Public Safety and Justice Committees. September 8, 2022
Pre-meeting citizen input on Agenda via eComment at https://sanjose.granicusideas.com/meetings.
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A
A
B
B
D
E
D
F
D
A
D
B
B
Thank
you
so
much,
I'm
going
to
just
make
a
a
couple
of
comments
regarding
the
the
order
of
the
the
day,
I'm
going
to
recommend
that
we
hear
public
comment
on
non-agenda
items,
which
is
item
2
at
the
end
of
today's
meeting
following
item
three
and
then
items
three,
a
the
city
and
county's
role
in
the
criminal
justice
system
and
three
c.
The
pre-trial
release
processes
be
heard
together.
B
These
items
will
take
up
approximately
the
first
half
of
the
meeting,
we're
going
to
stop
that
item
at
10
52
and
then
we
will
transition
to
item
3b
on
crisis
response
and
given
the
the
breadth
of
these
topics
and
the
size
of
the
committees,
council,
member
paralysis,
and
I
intend
to
be
quite
strict
with
the
time
limits
for
presentation
and
discussion
for
items.
Three,
a
and
c
each
council,
member
and
supervisor
will
have
one
minute
each
to
make
comments
for
item
3b.
B
We
may
have
a
bit
more
flexibility
depending
on
the
length
of
those
presentations
but
again
subject
to
the
discretion
of
the
committee
shares
for
item
d,
we'll
go
back
to
the
one
minute
per
member
model,
and
I
know
that.
That's
really
tight
and
we
likely
all
have
a
lot
more
to
say,
but
I
do
want
to
be
respectful
of
everyone's
time,
particularly
our
staffs
and
adjourn
promptly
at
the
promised
noon
hour.
B
I
do
expect
the
first
topic
to
be
more
presentation
focused
and
the
second
more
balanced
between
presentation
and
discussion
to
level
set
among
all
committee
members
council
member
corrales.
Are
there
any
additional
procedural
items?
Comments
that
you'd
like
to
provide
before
I
introduce
the
first
substantive
item
on
our
agenda.
B
All
right,
thank
you.
So
much
then
we're
going
to
move
on
to
item
three
and
to
kick
off
item
three.
I
want
to
start
with
just
some
brave
some
brave,
maybe
brave,
but
broad,
framing
remarks
before
we
move
into
items
three:
a
and
3c
on
the
roles
of
both
city
and
county
and
public
safety
response,
with
an
emphasis
per
request
on
pre-trial
release.
I'll
next
ask
council
member
perales.
B
If
he
has
any
introductory
remarks
and
then
we'll
proceed
with
the
first
presentation,
santa
clara
county
and
the
city
of
san
jose,
like
cities
and
counties
across
the
state,
are
experiencing
an
increasing
number
of
community
members
who
are
struggling
with
mental
illnesses
and
or
substance
use
disorders,
and
many
of
them
are
also
unhoused.
We
have
an
opportunity
this
morning
to
consider
ways
to
improve
coordination
of
our,
let's
be
frank,
our
bureaucratic
governmental
infrastructures
to
better
serve
those
community
members
and
to
promote
the
overall
health
and
safety
of
our
communities.
B
B
I've
been
impressed
by
the
progress
that
they've
already
made
in
collaborating
to
prepare
for
this
meeting
county
leadership
from
the
offices
of
the
county,
exec,
the
sheriff
the
district
attorney,
the
public
defender
and
behavioral
health
services
met
in
person
with
city
leadership
from
the
city
manager's
office
and
the
san
jose
police
department,
and
were
able
to
identify
some
specific
areas
of
opportunity
for
improved
coordination
that
I'm
looking
forward
to
hearing
about
today.
Councilmember
paralyst,
anything
that
you
want
to
add.
C
Yeah,
just
briefly,
as
my
colleagues
know,
this
conversation
initiated
through
a
rules
committee,
memo
from
the
mayor
and
then
subsequently
from
councilmember
mayhem,
and
I
want
to
say
thank
you
to
you
supervisor
ellenberg
and
your
committee
and
county
staff
for
your
willingness
to
join
us
on
this
meeting.
Today.
We
don't
have
many
of
these
opportunities
throughout
the
year
to
be
able
to
work
together
here
from
both
staff
from
the
county
and
from
the
city
and
then
hear
from
elected
officials
and
be
able
to
engage
in
dialogue
like
this.
C
But
we
know
that
it's
daily,
that
our
community
members
are
dealing
with
our
services
and
they
don't
necessarily
always
distinguish
between
the
two,
and
then
that
includes
a
number
of
others
right
when
you
go
up
and
down
the
state
and
federal
government,
and
so
it's
important
that
we
have
this
opportunity
to
engage
today
have
a
better
understanding.
These
are
very
important
topics,
something
that
I
am
personally
very
familiar
with,
having
been
a
police
officer,
still
a
reserve
officer
now
being
the
chair
of
this
committee,
and
so
it's
a
great
opportunity.
C
H
Good
morning,
everybody-
and
I
am
going
to
ask
that
melanie
jimenez
press
help
by
casting
that
presentation.
Thank
you
melanie
first,
let
me
just
say:
introduce
myself
a
bit
to
each
of
you
as
supervisor
ellenberg
mentioned,
I'm
the
county's
chief
operating
officer.
This
is
my
second
week
in
that
role.
Many
of
you
know
me
from
my
prior
work
for
the
county,
but
I'm
delighted
to
be
here
with
members
of
the
san
jose
city,
council
and,
of
course,
the
members
of
our
own
county
board
of
supervisors.
H
We
wanted
to
give
this
brief
overview
of
the
processes
from
arrest
through
release
and
detention
in
the
criminal
justice
system
in
our
county
in
part,
because
it's
been
clear
through
a
handful
of
conversations
that
that
portion
of
the
system,
if
you
don't
work
in
it
and
even
if
you
do
in
a
particular
role,
can
sometimes
be
a
little
bit
opaque
and
difficult
to
understand.
And
it's
a
really
critical
understanding
to
have
as
we're
having
some
of
these
really
important
policy
discussions
and
discussions
about
alternatives
to
arrest
and
detention.
H
H
By
set
by
the
court
law
enforcement
agencies,
others
in
our
community
and
so
understanding
those
intricacies
is
part
of
our
collective
challenge,
as
I
think
folks
probably
understand
under
state
and
federal
law
freedom
while
charges
are
pending
is
the
rule.
Pre-Trial
detention
can
only
be
imposed
by
the
superior
court
under
pretty
limited
circumstances.
We'll
talk
about
that,
and
there
have
also
been
really
significant
changes
in
state
law
regarding
who
can
lawfully
be
held
in
custody.
H
Pre-Adjudication,
of
course,
as
we're
all
well
aware,
the
pandemic
has
created
really
significant
challenges
for
us
all,
including
the
need
particularly
early
on,
to
make
some
pretty
significant
reductions
in
the
jail
population
to
allow
for
isolation
and
quarantine
for
for
our
inmates
and
also
to
protect
jail
staff
and
reduce
the
likelihood
of
outbreaks
in
the
jail
next
slide.
Please.
H
Also,
as
part
of
this
context,
as
folks
know,
we
had
statewide
and
local
emergency
zero
bail
orders
that
were
issued
in
2020
and
the
last
of
those
expired
recently,
and
so
we're
still
in
a
state
of
flux.
Following
that
change,
the
pandemic
obviously
created
challenges
for
every
partner
in
the
criminal
justice
system,
which
created
delays
and
adjudication
and
resulted
in
longer
pre-trial
detention
for
those
who
are
held
pre-trial
and
then
I'll.
Just
briefly
mention,
and
we
also
have
a
couple
sides
at
the
end
that
we
won't
really
discuss.
H
Decrees,
that
is
made
very
difficult
by
the
fact
that
our
jail
facilities
are
antiquated
and
providing
treatment
options
for
those
who
need
them
out
of
custody
is
far
more
achievable
than
providing
them
in
custody
and,
as
as
everyone
is
well
aware,
we
have
many
community
members
who
are
really
suffering
from
mental
illness.
Substance
use
disorders,
homelessness
and
those
experiences
often
bring
them
into
contact
with
our
criminal
justice
system
next
slide.
H
I
won't
read
these
shared
goals,
but
I
thought
it
was
important
to
just
acknowledge
that.
Consistent
with
my
comments
earlier
regarding
how
lucky
we
are
to
be
a
part
of
a
community
whose
criminal
justice
system
has
a
lot
of
partnership
and
shared
desire
to
create
really
optimal
policies
and
practices.
I
just
wanted
to
name
what
have
been
really
strongly
held.
Shared
goals
across
every
criminal
justice
agency
on
the
county
side
and,
I
know,
are
also
shared
goals
for
our
law
enforcement
partners
throughout
the
county
next
slide.
H
So
now
we're
going
to
just
quickly
provide
some
information
about
the
arrest
to
release
or
detention
process
in
the
county,
and
I
will
think
in
advance
kavitha
narayan,
who
heads
the
county
council
team
that
advises
each
of
our
public
safety
and
justice
entities
in
the
on
the
county
side.
And
so,
let's
switch
to
the
next
slide.
I
So
so
this
slide
discusses
the
local
policy
overlay
on
the
state
laws
that
I
just
mentioned,
and
there
are
just
two
policies
we
wanted
to
briefly
highlight.
One
is
a
set
of
county-wide
intake
and
release
guidelines
that
have
been,
in
effect
for
five
years,
with
a
goal
to
standardize
site
and
release
practices
in
the
field
across
law
enforcement
agencies
to
ensure
that
there's
some
more
consistency
and
transparency
around
the
use
of
that
practice,
and
the
second
is
emergency
orders
that
were
issued
by
the
superior
court
during
the
pandemic.
I
The
underlying
health
policy
reason
for
those
orders
was
to
try
and
limit
the
spread
of
covet
19
in
jails
by
deflecting
from
custody.
Anyone
who
was
deemed
by
the
courts
statewide
and
then
locally
by
law
enforcement
officials
to
be
where
the
the
health
policy
reason
outweighed
any
public
safety
reason
to
have
those
people
detained.
H
The
sheriff's
office
in
our
county
issues
jail
citations
for
misdemeanor
rsds,
with
a
scheduled
bail
amount
of
less
than
15
000
under
a
policy
that
was
adopted
that
we
referenced
in
2017,
and
I
wanted
to
just
briefly
mention
as
an
illustrative
example.
Why
might
someone
be
brought
to
jail
and
not
cited
and
released
in
the
field,
but
then
later
really
at
booking,
and
a
pretty
straightforward
example
would
be
where
the
reason
they
were
brought
to
jail
in
the
first
place
was
one
of
those
statutory
reasons
for
non-release.
H
That
just
has
is
no
longer
applicable,
for
example,
the
rusty
no
longer
being
intoxicated
being
willing
to
sign
the
citation
or
and
along
with
a
record
check.
That
shows,
there's
no
outstanding
warrants.
Those,
of
course,
aren't
the
only
reasons
that
would
occur,
but
they're
an
illustrative
reason
why
that
might
occur
next
slide.
I
I
won't
spend
too
much
time
on
the
slide,
because
the
purpose
of
today's
discussion
isn't
to
speak
to
the
bail
system,
but
at
a
high
level
the
state
constitution
guarantees
a
right
to
release
on
bail
for
many
persons
who
are
charged
with
crimes.
The
exceptions
are
listed
there
on
the
slide
and
they're
pretty
narrow.
I
I
When
somebody
bails
out
during
the
booking
process
at
jail,
the
only
option
that
jail
staff
have
to
bail
them
out
is
to
use
that
prescheduled
preset
bail
amount.
It's
a
non-discretionary
decision,
jail
staff,
don't
have
discretion
to
vary
the
bail
amount,
upward
or
downward
that
discretion
belongs
solely
to
the
court
in
appropriate
cases.
I
I
Another
point
about
the
interaction
between
local
actors
and
judicial
decision
making
is
the
question
of
magistrate
review
that
comes
up.
Sometimes
the
arresting
officer
in
the
field
can
request,
what's
known
as
a
magistrate
review
before
any
release
can
occur,
whether
it's
a
site
and
release
or
whether
it's
the
person
bailing
out
only
if
they
have
a
reasonable
cause
to
believe
that
the
release
or
the
bail
amount
would
be
insufficient
to
ensure
the
defendant's
appearance
at
court
hearings
or
to
ensure
the
protection
of
a
victim
of
domestic
violence.
H
Just
going
to
speak
briefly
about
the
process
through
which
the
court
approves
release
or
instead,
orders
detention.
So
what
that
process
looks
like
is
pretrial.
Services
plays
the
role
of
gathering
information,
that's
needed
for
the
court
to
make
that
decision.
The
information
gathered
by
pre-trial
services
before
nrsd
who's
been
booked
and
booked
is
presented
to
the
court
to
determine
whether
they
will
be
held
or
released,
includes
criminal
history,
other
pending
charges,
history
of
court
appearances
or
lack
thereof,
the
social
support
system
and
other
information
provided
through
risk
assessment
tool
results.
H
The
defendant
is
entitled
to
own
reconnaissance
released
under
the
penal
code.
Unless
the
court
determines
that
a
release
of
this
person
will
compromise
public
safety
or
will
not
reasonably
assure
the
appearance
of
the
defendant
is
required
at
future.
Court
hearings
and
the
court
can
add,
as
we
mentioned,
conditions
to
the
release,
which
is
something
we
refer
to
as
sort
so
next
slide
and
and
just
to
review
again
briefly.
H
Some
of
these
options
there's
the
option
to
release
with
with
no
charges
filed,
which
is
actually
a
decision
where
the
district
attorney
determines
that
an
arrestee
is
not
going
to
be
criminally
prosecuted
or
that
they'll
be
filing
lesser
charges,
which
could
lead
to
a
different
bail
amount.
There's,
of
course,
release
on
bail
release
with
conditions
which
would
be,
and
then
also
under
limited
circumstances.
H
I
I
I
And
if
a
court
determines
that
it's
appropriate
under
existing
laws
to
order
detention
to
not
grant
release
under
any
monetary
or
non-monetary
options
that
are
available
under
law.
It
has
to
make
a
finding
by
clear
and
convincing
evidence
that
no
such
conditions
of
release
could
protect
the
interest
of
the
public,
public
safety
and
court
appearance
before
it
can
order
detention.
H
The
next
slide,
so
the
the
next
couple
slides,
actually
molly
I'll,
just
ask
you
to
click
through
them,
but
we
just
wanted
to
mention
for
folks
who
are
not
familiar
with
some
of
the
conditions
that
impact
some
of
these
issues
coming
out
of
our
two
consent.
Decrees,
so
go
ahead
and
flip
through
those
melanie,
and
that
includes
with
our
chavez
case
in
our
cold
case,
and
you
can
read
lots
of
additional
information
about
that
on
the
county's
website.
H
H
As
you
can
see,
it's
gone
up
in
recent
months
and
that's
the
result
of
a
complex
array
of
factors,
but
really
is,
is
just
here
to
highlight
the
fact
that,
as
we
mentioned,
that
both
the
implementation
of
the
humphrey
decision,
but
also
the
rescission
of
the
zero
bail
orders,
have
created
a
lot
of
change
and
flux
along
with
other
things
in
our
system
and
you're.
You
see
that
reflected
in
changes
in
our
average
monthly
jail
population
next
slide,
and
likewise
over
time.
H
You
can
see
overall
changes
in
the
number
of
people
who
have
been
both
in
custody
and
on
pre-trial
supervision,
supported
own
reconnaissance
release
or
supervised
own
reconnaissance,
and
next
slide
is
just
a
thank
you,
and
we
will
be
here
at
the
appropriate
juncture,
along
with
all
of
our
real
experts
on
all
the
topics.
We
just
discussed
to
answer
any
questions
from
the
board
and
the
council.
B
J
So
lieutenant
donahue,
I
believe,
is
going
to
help
me
with
my
slide
presentation
so
steve
if
you
could
bring
up
my
first
slide
in
the
powerpoint.
That
would
be
great.
Thank
you.
So
I'm
going
to
cover
a
little
bit
of
what's
been
talked
about
before,
but
perhaps
in
a
little
more
depth,
and
I
want
to
just
basically
describe
what
is
the
role
of
the
police
in
the
criminal
justice
process.
J
It
seems
basic,
but
we
should
probably
go
over
it,
so
we
obviously
would
like
to
prevent
crime
if
we
it's
much
better
to
have
a
crime
not
occur
than
to
have
a
crime
occur
and
try
to
do
something
about
it.
So
we
do
that
through
visible
patrols,
through
proactive
enforcement
through
community
engagement
and
other
prevention
methods.
We
do
respond
to
calls
for
service.
J
When
someone
calls
9-1-1,
the
police
will
show
up,
and
sometimes
that
is
for
a
reported
crime,
and
sometimes
that's
for
some
other
public
safety
issue
that
that
may
or
may
not
turn
out
to
be
a
crime.
Once
we
arrive
if
a
crime
has
occurred,
we're
going
to
investigate
that
crime,
we're
going
to
attempt
to
identify
and
arrest
the
suspects
book
him
into
jail
and
then
assist
later
with
with
the
prosecution
along
with
the
district
attorney's
office,
so
who
does
get
booked
into
jail?
J
Well,
as
has
been
mentioned,
felons
get
booked
into
jail,
people
with
misdemeanor
warrants
that
have
a
bail
amount
over
fifteen
thousand
dollars,
misdemeanors
that
don't
or
that
don't
qualify
for
release
per
the
the
conditions
of
853.6
of
the
penal
code
and
one
of
those
ones
that
I
think
should
be
mentioned.
That
wasn't
earlier
is
one
of
the
disqualifying
factors
is
likelihood
of
recurrence.
J
There
are
a
lot
of
non-arrest
outcomes
that
result
from
police
contact
with
reported
crimes
or
911
calls
for
service.
Sometimes
we
determine
that
a
person
is
actually
suffering
from
a
mental
health
episode
and
we'll
place
them
on
a
50
150
hold,
meaning
we're
taking
them
to
valley
medical
center
to
the
emergency
psychiatric
services
ward.
Sometimes
we
find
that
the
person
actually
just
needs
some
sort
of
medical
treatment
and
that
that
that's
really
the
appropriate
disposition.
J
Sometimes
we
do
some
sort
of
informal
conflict
resolution
between
two
parties
who
are
having
a
dispute
that,
while
it
could
potentially
be
criminal,
could
be
resolved
less
formally
without
involving
the
justice
process.
But
the
point
of
all
this
is
there's:
there's
not
a
lot
of
places
that
the
police
can
really
compel
people
to
go.
We
can
compel
people
to
go
to
jail
under
the
appropriate
circumstances
and
we
can
compel
them
to
go
to
eps
when
the
criteria
is
met
for
a
5150
hold,
but
that's
about
all.
J
J
We
also
present
them
with
the
intake
form
the
medical
form
describing
what
the
person
has
said
to
us
about
their
medical
condition
and
any
need
for
treatment,
but
also
a
felony
affidavit.
A
felony
affidavit
is
just
a
form
where
the
officer
gets
to
list
the
probable
cause
for
the
arrest,
as
well
as
information
about
why
the
person
should
be
held
in
custody
such
as
their
potential
danger
to
the
community,
the
likelihood
of
reoccurrence
the
crime,
etc,
etc.
That's
a
that's!
An
older
form.
J
J
So
what
opportunities
does
law
enforcement
really
have
to
impact
whether
or
not
someone's
held
in
custody?
Well,
there's
several
different
ways:
some
of
them
are
a
little
more
complex
and
some
of
them
are
a
little
more
straightforward
penal
code.
Section
1275
is
a
motion
to
examine
the
source
of
bail.
It's
a
motion.
That's
made
to
a
judge
by
the
district
attorney's
office
based
on
an
affidavit
written
by
a
sworn
police
officer.
That's
a
pretty
rare
occurrence.
J
It's
typically
used
in
it
was
used
in
high
dollar
drug
cases,
where
we
believe
that
the
person
we're
arresting
is
is
capable
of
posting
a
very
high
bail
through
ill-gotten
gains,
and
we
are
making
a
motion
to
a
judge
to
ask
the
person
who
is
trying
to
pay
their
bail.
Where
exactly
did
you
get
the
money
to
pay
that
bail?
That's
that's
very,
very,
very
rarely
used,
and
it's
not
something.
That's
done
at
the
time
of
arrest.
J
If
you
will,
the
overwhelming
majority
of
jail
bookings
are
done
by
our
patrol
division
for
what
we
might
refer
to
as
a
more
routine
arrest
situation
and
and
really
what
the
what
the
police
officer
does
then
is
fill
out
that
felony
affidavit.
It's
a
county
forum
allows
the
officer
to
hand
write
in
this
information
that
we
talked
about
information
about
the
arrest
itself.
J
Maybe
the
the
you
know
serious
or
nature
of
what
occurred
or
the
danger
that's
presented
by
this
person
or
whatever,
and
the
officer
can
request
that
a
magistrate
set
bail
in
an
amount
higher
than
what
is
in
the
preset
bail
schedule,
and
I
think
this
is
again.
This
is
an
area
where
you
know.
Potentially,
we
can
impact
the
booking
process
and
whether
or
not
somebody's
held
more
than
we're
currently
doing
do
we
always
book
people
into
jail.
J
Well,
no,
we
don't
there's
a
lot
of
things
that
the
police
department
does
to
try
to
find
alternatives
to
arresting
somebody
in
the
first
place.
First
of
all,
all
san
jose
police
officers
are
trained
in
crisis
intervention,
and
that
is
something
that
the
officers
training
that
they
receive
in
order
to
recognize
when
somebody
is
experiencing
a
mental
health
crisis
and
where
the
behavior
we
may
we
may
be
seeing,
could
be
caused
by
something
other
than
criminal
intent,
and
it
can
really
be
handled
through.
J
Some
sort
of
you
know,
referring
them
to
a
counseling
service
or
putting
them
on
a
5150
hold,
or
something
like
that.
We
actually
have
two
separate
units
at
the
san
jose
police
department
that
deal
directly
and
more
specifically
with
mental
health
issues.
We
have
our
mobile
crisis
assessment
team,
which
are
officers
who
receive
additional
training
beyond
the
mere
cit
training,
and
they
coordinate
very
closely
with
the
county
behavioral
health
services
department
to
try
to
respond
to
calls
that
appear
to
have
a
mental
health
component
to
them.
J
To
do
follow
up
on
cases
that
behavioral
health
needs
assistance
with
and
to
divert
people
to
mental
health
treatment.
If
that's
the
appropriate
avenue,
we
also
just
recently
started
our
pert
team,
which
is
our
psychiatric
emergency
response
team,
where
we
actually
pair
a
police
officer
with
a
clinician
from
behavioral
health
services
in
the
same
patrol
car,
responding
to
the
calls
together.
That's
a
that's
a
pretty
unique
program
here
at
san
jose
pd
other
departments
around
the
country
are
doing
it,
but
we've
we've.
It's
also
quite
limited.
J
One
option:
that's
discussed
often
is
the
recovery
center,
which
is
a
place
where
there
are
a
lot
of
different
services
available
to
people,
and
it's
been
said
that
the
police
department
should
be
making
greater
use
of
that
recovery
center.
But
I
would
mention
that
there
are
certain
limitations
to
when
we
can
get
somebody
there,
and
this
kind
of
goes
back
to
my
point
about
when
we
can
compel
someone
to
go
there.
So
the
recovery
center
is
is
purely
voluntary.
J
We
cannot
force
anyone
to
go
there
and
there
are
rules
that
the
recovery
center
has
set
forward.
That
would
not
allow
us
to
bring
someone
there,
namely
first
of
all
no
one
can
have
bookable
charges.
We
can't
book
somebody
into
the
recovery
center
if
they
need
to
be
booked
into
jail,
regardless
of
what
other
issues
they
may
be
experiencing.
They
can't
go
to
the
recovery
center.
They
can't
have
warrants
for
their
arrest.
They
can't
be.
They
can't
have
on-view
booking
felony
charges,
things
of
that
nature.
J
If
we
cite
someone
out,
in
other
words,
we
give
them
a
citation
in
the
field
and
we're
never
going
to
take
them
to
the
jail.
We
can't
compel
them
to
go
to
the
recovery
center.
We
can
offer
them
a
ride.
We
can
explain
what
the
services
are
that
are
available
there
and
ask
the
person
if
they'd
like
to
go,
but
we
can't
make
them
go
if
they're
too
intoxicated,
they
can't
be
there
if
they
are
not
cooperative.
If
they're
hostile.
J
Are
going
to
cause
a
problem
in
the
recovery
center,
they
can't
go
if
they're
placed
on
a
50-50
hold.
They
cannot
be
transported
directly
to
the
recovery
center
that
by
law
they
have
to
go
to
eps
if
they're
pry,
if
they
have
prior
sex,
offenses
or
arson,
if
they're
a
sex
registrant
or
an
arson
registered,
they
can't
go
so
you
can
see,
there's
there's
a
lot
of
limitations.
Despite
those
limitations,
I
would
like
to
point
out
that
in
2018
we
brought
23
people
to
the
recovery
center.
J
In
2019
we
brought
78
people
in
2020.
We
brought
94.
in
2021,
we
brought
140
and
so
far
as
of
early
august,
which
is
the
most
recent
stats.
I
have.
We've
brought
103
people
to
the
recovery
center,
so
we've
done
we're
making
as
great
use
of
it
as
we
can,
given
what
the
limitations
are
and
what
the
you
know
what
it's,
what
it's
there
to
do,
let's
go
on
to
the
next
slide.
Steve.
J
The
police
department
gets
a
lot
of
calls
for
service
related
to
homelessness,
and
a
lot
of
callers
to
not
our
911
system
feel
that
the
police
department
should
be
the
answer
to
solving
homelessness
or
making
homeless
people
go
away
from
their
neighborhood
or
leave
the
area
in
which
they
are,
and
that's
not
really
a
service
that
we're
able
to
provide.
Let
me
just
explain
what
we
can
do
in
the
realm
of
homelessness.
J
J
The
police
department
does
not
conduct
camp
cleanups.
We
do
not
abate
homeless
camps.
We
do
not
remove
homeless
people
from
camps.
What
we
do
do
is
assist
the
housing
department
by
providing
officers
through
secondary
employment
to
provide
security
once
the
whole
once
the
housing
department
is,
has
chosen
to
abate
a
camp,
but
the
police
department
on
its
own
does
not
abate
homeless
camps.
J
One
factor
in
as
to
why,
when,
even
when
someone's
trespassing
on
public
land,
the
police
department
does
not
abate
homeless
camps,
is
a
decision
by
the
ninth
circuit
federal
court
of
appeals
called
the
boise
decision
and
it
was
a
lawsuit
against
the
city
of
boise.
The
city
of
boise
police
department
was
citing
people
for
sleeping
overnight
in
public
on
public
property,
and
what
the
court
said
is
that
you
can't
arrest
someone
for
sleeping
or
camping
on
public
property
without
being
able
to
offer
them
shelter.
J
But
to
go
back
to
this,
we
do
get
many
calls.
We
get
many
calls
from
residents
and
business
owners
who
are
describing
situations
that
revolve
around
either
homelessness
or
persons
with
mental
illness
or
persons
that
are
in
the
throes
of
some
sort
of
serious
substance
abuse
and
they
and
they
would
like
some
assistance
from
the
police
department
and-
and
I
think
that,
while
we
do
need
to
be
empathetic
to
the
homeless
and
the
mentally
ill
and
those
in
the
throes
of
addiction,
I
mean.
J
I
think,
that
the
people
that
are
calling
us
deserve
some
empathy
as
well.
And
what
I'm
describing
here
is
public
conduct.
I'm
not
talking
about
conduct
that
doesn't
affect
anybody,
but
if
someone
owns
a
restaurant
and
they
have
the
same
mentally
ill
person
standing
in
front
of
their
restaurant
day
after
day,
creating
a
disturbance
making
it
difficult
for
them
to
attract
customers.
J
I
think
we
can
all
understand
how
that's
problematic
for
the
for
the
business
owner
and
how
they
would
like
some
sort
of
relief.
That
relief
doesn't
have
to
be
jail,
but
it
needs
to
be
something
so.
The
quality
of
life
crimes
that
are
often
reported
that
involve
folks
like
this
are
typically
ones
that
are
misdemeanors
and
aren't
going
to
they're,
either
not
going
to
result
in
a
booking
initially
at
all
or
even
if
they
do,
even
if
they
result
in
a
conviction,
they're
not
going
to
result
in
substantial
jail
time
or
prison
time.
B
J
So
if
the
police
department
and
the
criminal
justice
system
is
not
going
to
be
involved
in
addressing
some
of
these
greater
societal
issues,
we
would
love
to
be
a
part
of
figuring
out
who,
who
is
going
to
do
that?
There
is
no
alternative
response
agency
to
take
the
place
of
law
enforcement.
At
this
point,
and
I
think
that
you
know
the
police
are
always
gonna-
have
a
role
in
the
front
end
and
responding
to
public
conduct
matters.
J
B
Thank
you
so
much.
There
really
is
legitimately
far
more
than
two
hours
worth
of
content
and
conversation
here.
What
I'm
gonna
do
now
is
move
to
the
committee
members
and
I
and
I
will
start
with
the
city
of
san
jose
since
since
this
this
issue
was
at
your
request
and
what
I'd
like
for
all
of
the
staff,
particularly
the
public
safety
and
justice,
folks
that
sit
on
the
that
sit
on
the
committee,
the
public
defender,
the
the
district
attorney
sheriff's
custody.
B
All
of
those
folks
to
kind
of
be
aware
and
listen
carefully
to
the
questions
that
that
come
up.
I
think
it
would
be
helpful
council
members
with
your
consideration,
rather
than
having
questions
answered
after
each
of
you
speak
since
a
lot
of
them
may
be
maybe
very
similar,
is
to
hear
from
all
of
you
in
those
one
minute
windows,
then
from
myself
and
supervisor
wasserman
and
then
turn
to
staff,
and
I
would
ask
any
staff
members
that
have
answers
to
council
members
questions
to.
B
Please
raise
your
hand
and
please,
of
course,
keep
your
answers
specific
and
concise.
We
can
always
arrange
for
more
follow-up
for
extended
conversations
outside
of
this
meeting
so
rahul.
I
will
turn
to
you
sorry,
councilmember,
perales
and
dave.
If
you're
controlling
the
clock,
will
you
set
the
timer
for
one
minute
and
begin
when
each
council
member
starts
speaking.
E
F
Thanks
chair,
I
just
want
to
thank
everybody
for
coming
together
to
have
this
conversation
there's.
Certainly
it's
a
complex
set
of
issues.
I
I
can't
do
this
justice
in
a
minute,
but
I'll
just
offer
this.
You
know
I
became
interested
almost
immediately
upon
coming
into
office
in
the
set
of
issues,
as
I
was
hearing
from
residents,
small
business
owners
police
officers
who,
at
the
time
at
least
anecdotally
from
my
perspective,
were
noting
that
they
were
encountering
the
same
individuals
who
were
committing
crime
and
often
those
folks
have
their.
F
Of
course
those
folks
have
their
own
their
own
stories.
I
think,
along
the
lines
of
the
questions
that
deputy
chief
joseph
answered,
I
am
interested
in
understanding
for
that
relatively
small
group
of
maybe
a
few
hundred
people
who
are
caught
up
in
this
repeat
cycle
that
is
impacting
the
rest
of
the
community,
how
we
can
identify
and
better
collaborate
to
intervene
in
a
productive
way
to
rehabilitate
them,
but
keep
the
broader
community
safe
as
well.
F
C
Thank
you.
I
don't
see
any
other
hands
from
members
of
my
committee
so
I'll.
I
will
ask
a
question
similar
to
the
vice
mayor.
I
was
interested
in
just
seeing
what
the
and
this
may
be
coming
up
at
the
end
of
our
discussion
as
well
just
sort
of
some
next
steps,
but
happy
to
hear
back
now
when
we
have
an
opportunity.
C
C
Maybe
there
was
a
lot
of
opportunities
that
would
be.
You
know
a
booking
opportunity
that
was
then
diverted
to
using
the
recovery
station.
So
I'm
just
curious
if
you
can
elaborate
a
little
bit
in
a
follow-up
on
on
how
maybe
it
sounds
like
the
number
has
increased
right
now,
we're
over
140
last
year
and
likely
to
top
that
this
year,
so
just
curious
on
an
example
of
who
we
are
diverting
there
and
I
think
that's
it.
For
my
committee
supervisor.
K
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
welcome
to
all
the
familiar
faces
on
today's
meeting
and
new
people
as
well.
This
was
extremely
educational
for
me
as
it
is
each
and
every
time
that
we
give
presentations.
I
want
to
thank
kavita
and
greta
for
their
presentation
and
assistant
chief
joseph
for
his
and
for
his
questions.
K
I
think
what
the
public
really
wants
to
know
is
answers
to
those
questions,
because,
as
greta
and
kavita
explained
a
lot
of
times,
what
the
public
may
think
is
common
sense
is
not
the
law
and
I
think
that's
what
we're
going
to
find
out
right
now
in
response
to
the
assistant
chief's
questions.
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
B
Thank
you
I'll,
take
my
minute
as
well.
I
hear
the
the
frustration
expressed
by
law
enforcement
and
and
council
members
and
members
of
the
public
that
comes
with
repeatedly
engaging
the
same
people
whom
they
believe
could
benefit
from
services
and
an
improved
environment,
but
don't
feel
like
they
can
accomplish
that
goal.
The
last
question,
in
particular
that
assistant
chief
joseph
presented
to
me
is,
is
really
the
million-dollar
question
that
that
we
need
to
answer
from
the
county's
perspective
and
a
service
provider
perspective.
B
Our
goal
is
to
increase
the
availability
of
supportive
services,
because
really
the
the
truth
is
that
we
don't
currently
have
the
treatment
or
the
housing
capacity
to
serve
even
the
people
who
desperately
want
to
be
connected
to
services,
the
most
productive
collaboration
I
see
the
county
and
city
undertaking
is
to
increase
the
availability
of
our
services
so
that
even
for
people
who
have
just
that
short
golden
window
of
opportunity
and
clarity,
where
they're
looking
to
connect
with
services,
they're
able
to
get
them
promptly
without
the
multi-day
wait
list
that
we
currently
have.
Thank
you.
B
E
Hi
everyone.
Thank
you
so
much.
I.
I
really
want
to
speak
to
one
of
the
questions
that
assistant
chief
joseph
raised
and
was
echoed
by
some
of
you
about
how
we
can
work
to
better
get
better
information
to
the
magistrate
judge,
and
he
also
referred
to
this
in
his
main
presentation,
and
I
think
that
we
need
to
revise
the
affidavit
of
probable
cause
form.
I
think
that
it's
it
doesn't
allow
for,
and
it
doesn't
present
the
information
in
a
clear
way
or
a
thorough
way
or
a
complete
way.
B
L
A
A
H
There
we
go
assistant
district
attorney,
james
givenchy,
fair,
just
spoke
to
point
one
so
I'll
leave
that
one,
but
under
what
circumstances
is
an
arrestee
released
on
their
own
recognizance?
We
we
talked
about
that
a
little
bit
in
our
presentation
and
also
who
makes
that
decision.
That
is
a
decision
made
by
the
superior
court.
H
It's
made
based
on
information
gathered
by
pretrial
services
that
we
talked
about
in
one
of
our
slides
and
then
also
spoke
to
the
factors
the
court
takes
into
consideration,
which
are
both
factors
related
to
public
safety
and
also
factors
related
to
the
expectation
that
the
person
will
appear
in
court,
and
we
can
have
some
of
our
experts
speak
in
more
detail
to
that.
If
there
are
further
follow-up
questions
on
the
impact
of
the
humphrey
decision,
I'm
gonna
actually
turn
that
over
to
charlie
hendrickson.
G
Thank
you
greta.
I
think
kavita
kind
of
outlined
what
the
decision
said
in
humphrey
and
basically
it
says
that
every
individual
who
is
arrested
and
brought
into
custody
has
a
constitutional
right
to
have
a
judge,
make
an
individualized
decision
about
one
their
ability
to
pay
and
whether
or
not
there
are
less
restrictive
alternatives
to
incarceration
that
could
reasonably
protect
public
safety
and
ensure
that
person's
return
to
court.
G
So
those
are
just,
I
think,
historically,
what's
happened,
is
we
have
a
bail
schedule
and
that
bail
schedule
kind
of
operates
to
reflectively,
set
bail
without
much
consideration
given
to
the
individual
who's
in
court?
Humphrey
basically
said:
no,
that's
not
good
enough.
The
bail
schedule
is
a
starting
point,
but
the
judge
has
to
make
that
individualized
determination
with
the
factor
they
just
outlined.
G
The
impact
of
the
decision,
which
well
joseph
related
to
her
question,
asked
the
question.
I
don't
know
that
there's
been
a
study
just
to
look
at
numbers
of
people
who
are
detained
or
not
detained
based
on
charges.
I
don't
think
we
have
that.
I
can
say
that
anecdotally,
our
current
jail
population
is
around
3
000
people.
G
It's
been
taking
up
pretty
consistently
over
the
last
months
and
in
particular,
since
the
termination
of
zero
dollar
bail,
we're
seeing
the
jail
population
go
up,
so
I
think
that's
impacting
it
of
those
3
000
historically
and
the
sheriff
will
have
these
statistics.
It's
usually
around.
90
of
those
people
are
being
held
pre-adjudication.
G
So
those
are
all
people
who
went
through
a
humphrey
determination
and
for
those
individuals
it
was
determined
to
be
adverse
to
them
in
the
sense
that
the
judge
after
listening
to
those
factors,
either
decided
to
allow
no
bail,
meaning
they
were
just
going
to
be
detained
without
the
opportunity
to
post
bail
of
any
amount
or
bail
was
set
an
amount
that's
unaffordable
to
them.
So,
even
though
they
were
saying
judge,
I
can
only
afford
500
or
a
thousand
dollars.
Given
the
humphrey
factors,
the
judge
still
made
the
determination
to
hold
them
in
custody.
H
H
I'm
on
on
the
second
to
last
bullet.
I
think
that's
going
to
be
a
lot
of
what's
discussed
in
the
next
presentation,
so
we
can
certainly
revisit
this
question
if
it
isn't
fully
answered
by
that
presentation,
but
I
think
best
to
hold
that
one
there
and
then,
as
supervisor
ellenberg
mentioned,
the
last
bullet
really
is
the
million
dollar.
Questions
is
obviously
one
that
communities
throughout
the
bay
area,
california,
across
the
country,
are
really
grappling
with,
and
certainly
increasing.
H
The
availability
of
supportive
services
becoming
increasingly
effective
across
city
and
county
entities
and
helping
convince
people
to
avail
themselves
of
the
services
that
are
available
is
really
critical.
But,
as
the
question
reflects,
there
are
a
lot
of
limitations
on
legal
limitations
on
what
we
can
require
people
to
do
who
are
suffering
from
these
conditions,
who
don't
meet
the
51
50
criteria
and
are
not
willing
to
engage
in
services,
and
those
are
are
just
realities
that
both
city
and
county
service
providers,
law
enforcement,
etc
have
to
comply
with
and
grapple
with.
B
M
M
I
reviewed
dozens
of
officers,
reports
about
incidents
and
I
had
no
shortage
of
probably
two
or
three
dozen
phone
calls
from
different
law
enforcement
agencies,
requesting
emergency
restraining
orders,
different
kinds
of
warrants,
and
that
sort
of
thing.
So,
if
you
are
not
aware
of
that
or
if
you
didn't
see
it
in
the
slides,
there
is
in
fact
a
judge
on
duty,
24
hours
a
day,
seven
days
a
week
who
makes
a
determination
based
on
multiple
factors,
and
it's
not
the
only
determination.
M
There
are
many
determinations
made
along
the
way,
but
this
is
the
initial
determination,
based
on
the
information
from
law
enforcement
and
pretrial
services,
of
whether
someone
will
be
released
on
their
own
recognizance,
whether
someone
will
be
detained
without
bail
and
whether
bail
will
be
said
and
what
that
bail
amount
is.
So
there
is
a
magistrate
looking
at
that,
each
and
every
time.
Thank
you.
B
D
So
it's
a
complex
process
of
obtaining
this.
The
information
that
is
currently
available
and
our
public
defender's
office
does
a
great
job
and
our
attorneys
do
a
great
job
in
advocating,
on
behalf
of
their
clients,
for
our
releases,
but
present
in
court
for
those
decisions
are
also
with
the
prosecution
pre-trial
services,
sometimes
victims
and
the
supporters
of
the
of
the
accused.
So
it's
not.
It
cannot
be
a
simplified
process
where
blanket
x,
number
of
case
types
charges
qualify
for
or
release.
B
Thank
you
so
much
and
really
assistant
chief
joseph
again,
you
you've
teed
up
beautifully
our
next
topic.
It
certainly
is
critical
for
for
law
enforcement
for
the
public,
for
for
all
of
us
to
recognize
that
that
often
people
that
are
approached
you
know
may
be
resistant
to
services,
because
they
are
apprehensive
around
law
enforcement
who
they
may
associate.
You
know
with
administration
of
force
or
booking
into
jail,
so
that
was.
That
was
really
precisely
why
I
wanted
to
include
this
next
item
on
our
agenda.
B
It's
unclear
to
many
of
us
at
the
county,
whether
the
new
options
and
there
are
numerous
alternative
response
agencies,
whether
whether
those
agencies
that
we're
trying
to
implement
for
service
providers
to
be
the
primary
responders
to
mental
health
crises
with
police
only
in
a
support
role,
and
only
when
absolutely
necessary,
is
actually
being
utilized
to
the
extent
it
was
intended.
So
I
look
forward
to
digging
into
that
issue
in
our
next
discussion
and
I
will
turn
for
item
3b
for
a
joint
presentation
by
behavioral
health
department
at
the
county
and
sjpd.
O
A
M
N
Hi,
this
is
bruce
copely
from
behavioral
health,
director
of
access
and
plan
services
and,
along
with
our
team,
we
will
give
you
a
brief
overview
of
the
the
crisis
response
services
that
are
available
through
our
department,
as
well
as
how
988
plays
into
that.
It's
really
a
pleasure
to
be
here,
and
I
I
want
to
also
let
everyone
know
that
we've
had
a
great
relationship
with
san
jose
police
department
in
the
integration
of
of
crisis
work.
So
we'll
start
with
a
brief
overview
of
988.
N
A
O
Thanks
turning
off
my
video-
and
hopefully
this
is
sounds
better
so
980
was
destined.
Can
does
this
sound
better?
Okay?
Yes,
it's
perfect!
Thank
you!
Supervisor,
ellenberg
988
was
designated
to
law
in
2020
as
the
national
suicide
and
crisis
hotline.
So
what
does
this
mean
for
us?
How
anyone
in
the
united
states
dealing
with
mental
health,
crisis
or
thoughts
of
suicide
can
dial
980
from
any
phone
and
be
connected
to
the
national
suicide
prevention
lifeline
also
known
as
nspr.
O
A
N
Let
me
bruce
briscoe
over
here.
Let
me
go
ahead
and
follow
up.
So,
as
jan
explained,
we
have
the
988
crisis
line,
which
has
been
now
a
national
line
and
we've
also
included
both
the
the
normal
de-escalation
for
someone
who's
in
some
suicidal
or
other
mental
health
crisis,
along
with
having
988
as
the
portal
for
our
crisis.
N
N
So
our
department
has
four
elements
in
terms
of
crisis
response
to
the
community.
The
first
is
the
psychiatric
emergency
response
team,
which
includes
san
jose
police
department,
palo,
alto,
morgan
hill
and
the
sheriff's
department,
and
those
are
clinical
teams
that
are
embedded
with
law
enforcement
and
san
jose
pd.
I
think,
will
give
you
a
better
explanation
of
what
that
that
integration
looks
like
I.
It
consists
of
a
a
licensed
clinician
from
our
department.
N
N
N
Finally,
the
trust
response
urgent
support
team,
which
is
operated
by
pacific
clinics
and
momentum
for
mental
health,
will
be
a
very
strongly
utilized
community-based
approach.
There
will
be
on-site
fields,
teams
that
work
within
the
san
jose
gilroy
and
north
county.
They
will
have
a
van
that
can
go
outreach
to
individuals,
assist
the
the
individuals
in
terms
of
stabilization
and
and
make
appropriate
referrals
again.
N
The
the
idea
here
is
to
engage
in
the
community,
follow
and
track
individuals
that
may
be
vulnerable
for
further
crisis
and
provide
them
the
appropriate
level
of
care
to
stabilize
and
bring
them
back
into
services.
Next
slide
sandra
hernandez
will
give
you
a
brief
overview
of
our
mobile
programs.
The
community
response,
the
areas
in
which
services
can
be
provided
or
referred
to,
and
the
work
within
the
other
law
enforcement
enforcement
jurisdiction
sandra.
M
Thank
you
bruce
good
morning.
Everyone
so
bruce
has
nicely
outlined
the
four
programs
that
are
community
response
based
mobile
crisis
programs,
and
so
I
want
to
now
talk
a
little
bit
about
those
destination
points
so
based
on
on
the
nature
of
the
call.
What
might
somebody
be
directed
to
so?
Some
of
the
destination
points
include
our
mission
street
sobering
center.
So
folks,
who
need
a
place
to
maybe
take
a
take
a
break
from
maybe
substance
use.
They
have
a
place
there
that
will
help
serve
them.
M
We
have
our
mobile
behavioral
health,
urgent
care
program,
which
is
also
an
opportunity
for
people
to
walk
in
and
receive
care
by
clinicians
there's
a
psychiatrist
there
as
well.
That
will
help
to
assist
them.
We
have
our
blackbird
house.
It's
a
peer
run,
respite
program,
it's
a
very
good,
great
program
for
folks
who
would
like
to
self-admit
who
need
a
break,
so
that's
an
option
that
is
also
shared
with
folks
that
people
encounter
when
out
in
the
field.
M
We
also
have
a
variety
of
housing
and
shelter
options
that
we
take
advantage
of
and
help
people
connect
to.
We
have
the
two
crisis
stabilization
units
in
our
county.
We
have
the
momentum,
mental
health
crisis
stabilization
unit,
primarily
for
adults,
and
then
we
have
our
pacific
clinics
crisis
stabilization
unit
and
that's
really
primarily
for
our
youth,
young
adults,
folks
who
are
in
that
transitional
age.
So
you
know
up
to
age
21.
M
There's
an
asterisk
there
above
on,
where
it
says
community
response-
and
I
just
wanted
to
make
note
that
that
law
enforcement
involvement
as
it
relates
to
the
mcrt
program,
will
be
based
on
the
the
nature
and
criticality
of
the
call
so
wanted
to
make
note
of
that
and
behavioral
health
works
collaboratively
with
the
13
law
enforcement
jurisdictions
in
our
county
and
including
our
san
jose
police
department,
specialized
mobile
crisis
assessment,
team
or
mcat
unit,
and
so
now
I'm
going
to
hand
it
off
to
our
san
jose
pd
partners.
So
next
slide.
L
Good
morning,
everyone
sergeant
tom
rogers
san
jose
pd.
Here
you
can
see
a
picture
of
our
mcat
team
and
the
pert
team.
Together,
you
can
see
that
the
mcat
team
are
wearing
the
gray
polo
shirts,
which
I'm
wearing
one
now,
and
this
is
done
to
differentiate
ourselves
from
the
standard
patrol
officer,
and
it's
done
that
way
so
that
we
are.
L
That
sort
of
thing
we
will
respond,
and
that
does
two
things.
First,
it
puts
a
specially
trained
officer
on
the
way
to
the
call,
because
all
mcat
officers
have
additional
training
above
and
beyond
the
standard,
40-hour
cit
class,
that
every
san
jose
police
officer
is
is
that
we
all
take,
and
it
also
frees
off
patrol
to
respond
to
calls
of
a
criminal
nature.
L
L
This
allows,
you
know
benefits
of
specialization.
The
mcat
officers
will
provide
security.
They
will
arrange
transportation
if
we're
going
to
transport
the
individuals
somewhere,
whether
that
be
to
eps,
if
they're
placed
on
a
hold
that
may
be
to
the
recovery
center,
we
transport
people
there
quite
a
bit
to
the
crisis
stabilization
unit.
We
may
take
them
to
mental
health,
urgent
care
or
to
bill
wilson
or
to
the
newly
opened
downtown
youth
wellness
center.
L
The
mcrt
clinicians
will
perform
the
clinical
assessment
and
place
the
individual
on
a
hold.
If
that's
warranted
next
slide,
please
this
is
our
pert
team,
the
pert
team's
been
in
operation
for
about
six
or
seven
weeks.
Now
we
have
a
licensed
clinical
social
worker,
as
we've
has
been
described,
these
two
ride
together
in
the
car
they're
they're,
the
clinical
social
workers
here
every
day,
they're
both
cit
trained
they've
also
been
through
the
tactical
negotiation
school
with
the
fbi.
L
The
pert
team
next
slide.
Please
next
slide.
Please
there
we
go.
The
perk
team
responds
to
calls
that
are
in
progress.
They
are
available
to
consult
with
the
officers
on
scene.
They
can
do
a
de-escalation
consultation,
they
can
perform
assessment
or
the
clinical.
The
clinician
will
perform
an
assessment.
L
L
They
are
simply
routed
directly
to
the
other
call
center,
and
this
is
similar
to
a
situation
where
we
might
receive
a
9-1-1
call
at
the
san
jose
pd
call
center
and
then
discover
that
the
individual
is
in
mountain
view.
We
would
simply
route
that
call
to
mountain
view.
Pd
it's
all
done
very
seamlessly,
and
this
is
being
done
at
present
and
I
can
go
ahead
and
wrap
it
up
at
that
point.
If
anyone
has
any
questions.
B
Thank
you
so
much
I.
I
appreciate
that.
I
again
just
quickly
I'd
ask
for
this
item
to
be
included
in
the
agenda,
because
having
a
shared
understanding
of
the
options
and
decision
points
for
crisis
response
in
the
field
is
really
critical
to
making
sure
that
people
are
effectively
linked
to
services.
B
I'll
start
with
the
county
committee
on
on
this
round.
Can
you
give
me
just
a
minute
bruce?
Is
that
all
right?
I've
heard
multiple
incidents
that
have
raised
questions
for
me
about
whether
we're
consistently
meeting
the
goal
of
decriminalizing
mental
health
crisis
and
connecting
people
to
the
least
respect
restrictive
options
for
treatment?
B
I've
also
heard
that
san
jose
pert
and
mcat
officers
are
running
warrants
on
people
in
crisis
when
they're
called
to
the
field,
which
also
feels
inappropriate.
I
assume
we're
not
running
warrants
for
people
that
are
having
a
medical
emergency
and
slide
10
indicates
that
the
intent
to
be
able
to
escalate
or
de-escalate
calls.
Thank
you
for
that
between
911
and
988.
But
my
understanding
is
that
there's
not
yet
a
protocol
to
de-escalate
in
the
protocol
to
de-escalate
and
that
that's
pending
input
from
the
chiefs
of
our
13
jurisdictions.
B
I
have
heard
that
the
figure
there
are
about
3
000
calls
to
the
911
center
per
month
that
could
potentially
be
de-escalated
to
988,
and
I'm
wondering
if
we
need
authorization
from
the
sjpd
chief
or
the
city
to
implement
a
protocol
to
transfer
from
911
and
988.
So
those
would
be
my
questions
for
this
section
and
I'll
go
to
supervisor
washerman.
B
N
Yeah
yeah
supervisor
I
just
had
a
a
couple
additions.
I
wanted
to
let
everyone
know
that
since
july
16th,
when
988
was
instituted,
we've
had
12.
500
calls
come
through
the
system,
so
it's
a
very
busy
system
and
second
of
all,
there
have
been
other
cities
that
are
interested
in
pert.
Santa
clara
city
has
developed
additional
dollars
so
that
we
can
provide
a
dedicated
pert
program
clinician
to
their
program
as
well.
So
those
are
my
my
updates.
Thank
you.
Thanks.
F
What
are
to
what
extent
do
we
have,
and
I
think
it's
been
noted-
that
there's
a
lack
of
detox
and
inpatient
facilities,
but
can
we
just
get
a
slightly
better
I'd
like
to
get
a
better
understanding
of
what's
available
today?
How
big
the
gap
or
need
is
and
then
what,
if
anything,
is,
is
being
planned
in
the
future
for
being
able
to
meet?
That
need
is
that
is
that
possible
to
discuss.
B
Now
I
I
think
we
should
absolutely
give
an
overview
of
of
where
we
are
with
with
substance
use,
treatment,
disorder
beds
and
where
the
county
is
working,
where
we
could
certainly
benefit
from
some
partnership.
I'm
hoping
that
that
will
be.
You
know
spoiler,
that
I'm
hoping
that
that
will
be
an
outcome
of
this
meeting.
But
let's
see
if
there
are
any
other
comments
from
your
committee
and
then
we'll
turn
to
staff
to
answer
both
of
us.
F
C
C
What
we
didn't
hear
was
at
what
magnitude-
and
I
know
that
that
has
been
a
consistent
challenge
and
it
was
for
me
back
when,
when
I
was
working
full-time
on
the
force
when
it
comes
to,
maybe
we
have
the
right
tools
or
tool,
but
we
don't
have
enough
of
them
right
or
we
don't
have
enough
of
these
tools
available
at
that.
You
know
the
the
same
amount
of
time
or
the
right
time
frames
when
we're
then
with
to
be
useful
right
as
a
whole
to
our
community
right.
C
I
I
equate
it
to
to
just
you
know.
It
looks
like
we're
starting
to
gather
again
the
right
tools
in
the
toolbox,
but
we've
got
an
entire
fleet
right
of
vehicles
to
work
on
and
we've
got
one
tool
to
share
amongst
the
group
right
and
it
just
so.
For
me,
that's
kind
of
the
the
challenge
that
I
know
that
I've
seen
out
in
the
field,
and
so
I
wanted
to
see
if
we
we
could
speak
to
that
from
both
the
city
side
and
the
county
side.
C
What
really
would
be
sufficient
right
at
what
level
if
we,
if
these,
if
we
think
these
are
the
right
tools,
how
do
we
have
to
scale
them
up
to
to
be
able
to
actually
adequately
use
them
in
the
way
that
we
hope
to?
So
that's,
that's
it
for
mine,
and
I
think
we
can
turn
it
over
now
to
to
the
staff-
and
I
see
assistant
chief,
joseph.
J
Thank
you,
council
member,
so
I
mean,
I
think,
there's
two
parts
to
this
and
I
and
I
think,
maybe
to
council
member
mayhem's
point,
there's
the
initial
response
into
the
field
and
who's
appropriate
to
handle
that
and
then
there's
sort
of
the
back
end.
What
happens
once
somebody
has
contact
with
somebody
in
the
field
and-
and
I
think
I
think,
law
enforcement
is
always
going
to
have
a
role
in
the
initial
response
in
the
field
I
mean
it's
kind
of
ironic.
J
You
know
I'm
listening
to
the
the
presentation
on
988,
which
is
a
phenomenal
system
with
offering
great
services,
but
what
they're
doing
is
they're
referring
people
to
the
police
to
respond,
because
there
isn't
really
a
field
response
component
and
that's
not
a
it's,
not
a
criticism.
It's
just
the
reality
that
there
isn't
some
sort
of
agency
on
a
par
with
police
or
fire
or
ems
to
handle
these
types
of
things,
so
the
police
ultimately
get
involved,
and
there
is
an
overlap
between
issues
of
public
safety
and
crime
and
mental
illness
and
drug
abuse
and
homelessness.
J
That's
just
the
reality,
so
I
don't
think
there's
anything
inappropriate
about
the
police.
Responding
initially
into
the
field,
and
I
think
we
are
doing
a
much
better
job
than
we
did
at
the
beginning
of
my
career,
certainly,
and
even
than
we
did
five
years
ago,
in
responding
appropriately
to
these
events.
Now
the
question
becomes,
what
do
you
do
with?
What
does
the
system
so
to
speak?
Do
with
somebody
who
is
repeatedly
committing
what
we
consider
to
be
somewhat?
J
You
know
minor
offenses
I
mean
I'm
not
talking
about
shootings
and
stabbings,
I'm
talking
about
you
know,
thefts
and
vandalism
and
disturbances,
and
things
like
that.
But
it's
repeated
it's
repeated
public
conduct
that
is
causing
an
issue
and
it's
driven
by
either
mental
illness
or
or
chronic
substance
abuse.
What
resources
are
available
for
either
the
courts
to
direct
somebody
to
some
sort
of
compelled
treatment
or
or
just
any
kind
of
options
whatsoever,
and
I
think
that's
the
a
question
I'd
like
to
see
answered
anyway.
B
Around
increasing
our
capacity
for
mental
health,
behavioral
health
treatment
substance
use
treatment,
we
need
more
facilities
at
at
every
level
of
acuity.
We
need
to
develop
a
workforce,
we
need
treatment,
access
slots
and-
and
I
hear
you
that
that's
not
instantaneous.
So
what
do
we
do
in
this
in
this
medium
time
that
that's?
Why?
B
We
we
don't
have
enough
now
and
to
gain
a
sense
of
the
scope,
is
a
longer
conversation
which
I
would
love
to
have
to
share
because
we
have
determined
what
the
scope
is
approximately,
how
many
beds
are
needed,
what
what
treatment
levels
we
need
where
we
need
to
to
really
be
leaning
in.
So
I
I'm
excited
to
hear
that.
B
That's
that
that's
a
shared
perspective
and
a
place
that
that
we
can
go
about
working,
that's
actually
item
d,
which
is
next
steps
but
I'll
preempt
and
say
that
that
would
be
my
request
for
next.
For
next
steps,
but
I
don't
want
to
get
ahead
of
my
house
itself-
I
see
council
member
arenas
and
greta
and
sherry
is
it
okay?
If
we
go
in
that
order,.
P
Yes,
oh
okay,
I'm
not
sure
what
happened.
My
internet
connection
has
been
unstable
all
week
so
and
my
question
is
around
something
that
we
might
not
be
looking
at,
but
I
think
it
adds
to
the
greater
picture
of
this
mental
health
crisis
that
you
were
discussing
earlier
chair,
and
that
is
some
of
the
fights
and
homicides
that
have
been
happening
within
our
community.
We,
I
just
had
a
16
year
old,
stabbed
to
death
in
my
in
my
district
off
a
quimby
road
and
from
what
I
understand.
P
It's
not
gang
related,
and
so
there
are
also
symptoms
of
mental
health
issues
that
are
not
necessarily
correlated
back
to
this
department,
because
nobody
calls
it
mental
health
right.
Nobody
calls
it.
The
this
pent
up,
anger,
that's
happening
within
our
youth
and
the
responses
that
they're
deciding
to
take
are
pretty
extreme.
P
Nowadays,
we've
heard
that
the
violence
amongst
our
youth
are
very
extreme
compared
to
pre-pandemic,
and
so
how
are
we
capturing
that
so
that
we
can
also
respond
to
to
the
actual
evidence
that
we
have
in
our
society,
which
is
all
of
these
murders
and
assaults,
because
they
also
speak
to
mental
health
crisis?
How
can
we
do
that,
and
and
with
the
effort
of
making
a,
maybe
a
greater
investment
in
prevention
or
in
healthy
relationships?
I
don't
know
what
the
answer
is,
but
I'd
love
to
see.
If
we
can
discuss
that.
B
H
Obviously,
we
need
to
follow
the
law
with
respect
to
those,
but
I
was
actually
going
to
turn
it
over
to
sherry.
So
I'm
glad
she
raised
her
hand,
because
I
was
hoping
that
she
could
talk
about
aot,
which
is
in
the
process
of
coming
online
and
some
of
the
programs
and
services
to
address
just
the
type
of
really
serious
substance.
Use
disorder
related
challenges
that
a
couple
of
the
council
members
have
mentioned,
and
then
I
would
also
invite,
after
that,
some
of
our
other
criminal
justice
partners
to
answer
council.
B
C
B
Q
Sir
hi
good
morning
and
my
apologies
for
being
off
camera,
I
too
am
having
some
connectivity
issues.
I
did
want
to
just
state
that
reiterating
some
of
what
greta
mentioned
there
are.
You
know,
unfortunately,
many
legal
limitations
to
what
we
can
do.
However,
we
are
very
much
focused
on
making
services
and
supports
available
as
supervisor
ellenberg
stated
through
our
behavioral
health
strategic
plan,
in
response
to
both
supervisor
ellen
burgin
supervisor,
lee's,
declaration
of
mental
health
and
substance
use
as
a
public
health
crisis.
Q
So
this
does
include
teams
going
out
together
in
the
community
to
help
engage
residents
who
may
be
struggling,
and
it
really
does
involve
you
know.
Relationship
building,
developing
a
connection
with
individuals
in
the
community
to
in
you
know,
develop
their
trust
in
relationships
so
that
we
can
in
fact
help
them
engage
in
services
and
when
that
is
not
possible,
we
do
have
other
services
available
and
the
board
of
supervisors
adopted,
assisted
outpatient
treatment
on
aot
it's
ab1976
and
that
particular
initiative
and
program
is
really
intended
to
help
identify
and
engage
with.
Q
You
know
the
most
perhaps
service
resistant
for
lack
of
better
words,
individuals
in
the
community
who
are
really
struggling,
who
may
not
have
that
trusted
relationship,
but
who
really
do
need
the
service,
and
so
through
aot
or
assisted
outpatient
treatment.
We
have
been
able
to
you
know,
send
our
service
teams
out
into
the
community
engage
individuals
and
work
with
both
the
individual
and
their
family
to
try
to
help
get
them
connected
to
service.
Q
So
we
are
really
doing
all
we
can
throughout
the
community
at
multiple
levels,
to
help
engage
not
only
through
service
but
really
through
relationship
building
and
our
teams.
Our
mobile
crisis
teams,
our
law
enforcement
liaisons
and
our
partnership
with
san
jose
pd,
I
think,
are
really
opportunities
for
us
to
continue
to
do
that.
Good
work
together.
So
I
will
pause
there
and
thank.
B
Thank
you.
I
appreciate
that
I'm
going
to
quickly
move
us
to
3d,
which
is
a
an
opportunity
for
each
community
committee
member
again
to
have
one
minute
to
recommend
to
your
respect
to
the
respective
chairs
of
the
committee
any
direction
that
you
would
like
to
give
at
this
point
to
your
to
your
staffs,
so
rolo,
you
want
to
start
again.
C
F
F
We
need
to
do
both,
I
think,
to
be
more
specific,
and
I
do
think
we
have
a
lot
of
common
ground
around
where
we
want
to
end
up
eventually
what
that
ideal
end
state
might
look
like,
but
I
am
concerned
that
the
county
is
prematurely
focusing
on
depopulating
the
jail
and
leaning
into
decriminalization
before
we've
adequately
provided
for
inpatient
care
and
other
interventions
that
are
going
to
protect
the
community.
It
reminds
me
a
bit
of
de-institutionalization
of
our
mental
health
hospital
system,
which
happened
very
quickly
without
those
alternatives
really
being
in
place
and
so
yeah.
F
I
I'd
like
to
know,
and
I
hope
we
can
get
to
a
place.
My
hope
for
us
would
be
that
we
have
some
objective
evaluative
framework,
some
sort
of
data,
we're
using
around
repeat
offense
impact
on
the
community
to
understand
how
much
we
want
to
be
decriminalizing
and
depopulating
the
jail
versus
making
sure
we
have
those
other
supports
in
place
so
that
we're
not
doing
that
at
the
expense
of
community
safety.
And
that's
I.
B
Want
to
better
understand
that,
thank
you
dave
I
forgot
to
ask.
We
should
have
the
timer
up
for
one
minute.
I
want
to
remind
the
council
member
that
it
is
not
county
policy.
It
is
we.
We
heard
a
good
presentation
about
the
prerogative
of
the
of
the
courts
to
release
people
from
jail.
That's
not
something
that
the
county
directly
has
responsibility
for
greta
sound.
Did
you
want
to
weigh
in
there?
I
am
trying
to
to
keep
us
going,
but
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we
don't.
B
H
Oh,
I
was
just
gonna
raise
my
hand
at
the
appropriate
juncture
to
just
make
a
smaller
point
to
the
one
you
just
made,
which
is,
I
think,
it's
not
the
county's
policy
to
depopulate
the
jail,
because
we
don't
have
authority
to
make
that
policy
decision
so
they're.
Just
that's
not
something
that
we're
in
a
position
to
do.
Obviously
we
have
to
follow
the
law.
H
There
are
various
actors
in
the
system,
including
the
police,
the
district
attorney
the
court,
each
independent
actors
who
have
roles
to
play
in
making
decisions
that
ultimately
result
in
impacts
to
the
jail
population,
but
the
county
actually
does
not
have
that
that
authority.
I
just
wanted
to
make
that
that
clear.
C
P
So
for
me,
as
you
all
know,
that
we've
been
doing
some
really
great
work
and
our
san
jose
police
department
has
really
improves
their
systems
and
the
way
that
they
interact
with
survivors
of
sexual
violence,
and
so
one
of
the
things
that
I'd
like
to
see
is
if
we
could
really
pick
up
a
conversation
around
how
we
are
addressing
the
sexual,
violent
crimes
that
are
involved
with
the
mental
health
and
how
what
kind?
What
is
that
junction
for
for
these
crimes?
P
C
Thank
you
and
I
don't
see
any
other
members
of
my
committee,
so
you
can
start
the
timer
for
me.
I
give
my
comments
here.
I
know
that
in
preparation
for
this
meeting,
we
initiated
an
interagency
working
group.
What
I
would
like
to
see
is
that
that
working
group
maybe
continue
and
they
can
determine
on
what
frequency,
but
I
do
think
it
would
be
helpful
to
have
that
working
group
continue
some
dialogue,
especially
at
least
following
this
conversation
today,
and
so
I
would
that'd
be
one
request
the
other
would
be.
C
I
know
we
didn't
get
all
the
questions
answered,
so
there
may
be
a
request
to
have
some
representatives
from
county
staff
say
come
and
be
present
virtually
at
a
future.
His
fizz
meeting,
along
with
our
city
staff,
to
maybe
follow
up
on
some
of
the
the
details.
I
know
specifically
for
me,
especially
when
it
comes
to
that
that
you
know
that
level
of
service
how
we're
going
to
grow
right
and
have
adequate
service
as
as
we're
moving
forward
in
these
different
areas.
E
Yeah-
and
this
is
just
a
follow-up
on
what
you
just
laid
out
chair,
I'm
just
I
want
to
have
a
better
understanding
of
like
what
happens
next.
I
think
this
has
been
a
a
good
discussion
and
a
lot
of
you
know.
Good
points
have
been
raised,
but
I'm
still
unclear
in
terms
of
like.
What's
the
next
step,
what
happens
next
so?
Can
someone
give
me
some
clarity
on
that.
E
Okay,
well,
I
definitely
would
like
to
see
whether
it's
in
the
form
of
another
joint
meeting
at
some
some
point
before
the
end
of
the
year,
or
you
know
some
updates
from
staff
written
updates
as
well
as
a
presentation.
Maybe
they
can
do
it
to
our
each
individual
committees,
but
I
definitely
want
to
see
some
type
of
follow-up
in
terms
of
outcomes
from
this
meeting.
B
K
Thank
you,
chair
I'll
use,
my
60
seconds
to
say
first
of
all,
santa
clara
county,
the
city
we're
all
doing
a
tremendous
job.
Is
there
a
ton
more
to
be
done?
Yes,
did
the
county
spend
get
a
billion
dollar
bond
fund
to
deal
with
homelessness?
Yes,
are
we
going
to
spend
upwards
close
to
a
billion
dollars
for
a
new
jail
to
help
recidivize
to
rehabilitate
individuals?
K
Yes,
are
we
looking
to
build
mental
health
facilities
and
beds?
Yes,
these
are
all
things
going
on
each
with
about
a
billion
dollar
price
tag,
that's
on
them,
but
the
fact
that
the
city
and
the
county
are
working
together
and
that
we
all
realize
the
nexus.
The
connection
that
goes
on
with
law
enforcement,
mental
health
issues
homeless,
that's
what's
important,
so
I
want
to
thank
the
two
chairs
of
this
meeting
for
bringing
this
all
together.
B
Thank
you
so
much.
What
I'd
like
to
do
is
gather
the
the
notes
that
I
know
my
staff
has
been
taking
from
today
and
and
put
together
a
document
that
captures
the
the
the
direction
and
interesting
and
interest
in
follow-ups
from
here.
It
is
a
huge
huge
lift,
as
all
of
the
staff
knows,
to
do
a
joint
meeting.
B
There
might
be
other
less
formal
opportunities
to
pursue
these
issues
individually,
so
I
will
commit
to
putting
that
together,
sharing
it
with
councilmember
perales
and
and
perhaps
if
he
wants
to
do
the
same,
we
can
then
coordinate
how
to
best
best
proceed.
I
have
a
procedural
question
right
now
for
for
county
council,
I'd
like
if
it's
permissible
to
take
public
comment
on
item
three
and
public
comment
on
items
not
on
the
agenda
item
two
together.
I
C
M
B
Should
be
fine
thanks,
rosa
all
right,
so
it's
it's
it's
13
and
growing,
so
I'd
like
to
do
yeah
for
sure
one
minute,
each
just
saying:
okay,
hopefully,
and
thank
you
folks,
thank
you
for
listening
and
and
hanging
on
through
what
I
hope
was
a
fascinating
conversation
and
we
will
try
to
get
through.
All
of
these,
all
of
your
very
important
public
comments.
B
G
D
G
O
O
O
With
other
response
teams,
our
community
deserves
to
feel
safe
and
not
fear
that
one
call
for
help
will
end
a
person's
life
in
memory
of
antonio
diana
aj,
phillip,
anthony
jesus
and
many
more
who
were
met
with
guns
and
violence
instead
of
chair
and
support
by
cit
trained
officers
who
failed
to
use
their
training.
I
once
again
want
to
ensure
I
want
to
urge
the
board
of
supervisors
to
ensure
that
trust
is
independent
from
the
988.
D
Many
of
those
left
loved
ones
were
experiencing
mental
health
crises
and
were
met
with
guns
instead
of
care,
and
yet
the
county
is
poised
to
roll
out
trust
under
the
988
umbrella.
988
dispatchers,
as
we
heard
earlier,
can
refer,
call
callers
to
911,
pert
or
other
programs
that
inc
are
or
include
law
enforcement.
D
Q
Next,
regarding
the
current
mobile
crisis
programs,
when
my
11
year
old
son
was
in
crisis,
I
was
able
to
call
the
uplift
mobile
crisis
unit
now
pacific
clinics.
I
knew
he
needed
mental
health
support,
not
an
officer
with
a
gun,
regardless
of
their
training.
There
are
no
similar
resources
for
adults.
Trust
was
designed
to
be
this
alternative.
As
such,
it
should
be
a
separate
number
folding.
It
under
988
undermines
the
purpose
and
spirit
of
trust
as
families
directly
impacted
by
police
violence.
Q
D
Center
run
by
bill
wilson,
center
and
social
services,
when
we
called
on
the
12
to
get
a
mobile
crisis
response
to
a
20
year
old
girl
who
was
having
a
mental
health
episode,
we
had
four
hours
of
no
response
but
police.
I
agree
with
deputy
chief
joseph
who
said
police
are
getting
responses
and
calls
from
988.
D
O
Hi,
my
name
is
karina,
and
I
kind
of
want
to
piggyback
on
what
everyone
else
is
saying.
We
need
to
have
a
direct
number
for
trust.
We
shouldn't
have
to
go
through
988
and
hope
that
trust
will
be
called
out.
I
have
trauma
my
father
was
killed
by
police,
so
if
they
do
send
out
law
enforcement,
that
is
only
going
to
escalate
the
situation.
O
A
Good
morning,
my
name
is
walter
wilson,
and
I
am
the
chair
of
santa
clara
county
community
corrections,
law
enforcement
monitoring,
commission-
and
you
know
I
want
to
say
a
couple
of
things.
One
is
that
I
think
it's
important
to
keep
the
facts
and
the
truth,
the
truth.
The
idea
that,
after
all
of
this
testimony,
matt
mahan,
will
come
with
a
campaign
statement
saying
that
decarceration
creates
unsafety
for
the
public.
That
is
absolutely
untrue.
Unequivocable
and
it's
a
lie.
Furthermore,
the
county
is
not
responsible
for
letting
people
out
of
jail.
A
Matt
in
case
you
didn't
hear
that
I'm
telling
you
again
so
stop
saying
it
stop
lying
to
get
to
become
mayor.
It's
just
not
it's
not
even
becoming
of
you,
but
the
other
thing
I
want
to
say
is
in
this
whole
process.
It's
very
important
to
have
the
community
be
engaged
and
involved
for
these
solutions.
It's
great
to
have
all
of
these
agencies
and
all
these
other
people,
but
without
the
community.
A
A
Trust
is
being
folded
in
without
a
direct
phone
line,
which
is
a
necessity
not
having
a
direct
phone
line,
undermines
the
purpose
and
spirit
of
trust
and
the
families
directly
impacted
by
the
police
violence,
as
they
push
for
this,
that
these
debug
families
lost,
loved
ones,
to
police
violence
and
about
a
half
of
their
loved
ones
were
experiencing
mental
health
crisis,
but
instead
of
the
care
they
didn't
get
care,
they
were
met
with
guns
and
violence.
Therefore,
it
is
important
that
the
community
has
its
own
direct
phone
line
or
lifeline
to
trust.
Thank
you.
J
A
2
in
san
jose
district
3
and
a
member
of
surge
of
sacred
heart,
I'm
speaking
in
support
of
system,
impacted
families.
We
need
a
direct
and
independent
phone
line
to
the
trust
program.
Law
enforcement
does
not
need
to
be
the
de
facto
response
to
a
mental
health
crisis.
It
is
not
fair
to
those
suffering
from
mental
illness
and,
honestly,
it's
not
fair
to
law
enforcement
to
expect
them
to
handle.
J
D
D
It
is
important
that
the
community
has
its
own
direct
lifeline
to
trust,
and
I
also
want
to
comment
off
of
a
comment
that
I
heard
from
a
city
member
saying
that
that
that,
because
on
people,
when
there's
the
incarceration
that
crime
goes
up
and
there's
data
and
facts
that
proves
otherwise
that
during
the
pandemic
in
2020,
that
has
been
stated
during
four
comments:
that
there
is
no
increase
in
crime
when
there
is
when
the
deal
is
being
depopulated.
Thank
you.
O
My
name
is
cherise
domingo
and
I'm
with
silicon
valley
debug.
I
also
just
want
to
express
the
concern
that
the
trust
program
should
not
be
folded
under
988,
which
in
however,
way
it's
rolling
out
to
the
community.
It's
landing
as
though
it's
the
alternative
to
law
enforcement
during
crisis
interventions-
and
this
is
misleading,
even
when
crisis
mobile
response
is
called
and
police
show
show
up.
We've
had
incidents
whether
where
people
are
being
arrested
and
one
of
the
police
officers.
I
believe
it
was
deputy
chief
joseph
said
it
himself.
988
refers
people
to
9-1-1.
O
M
M
I
want
to
note
that
the
united
states
is
number
one
in
the
world
and
locking
people
up,
so
we've
got
decades
of
experience
on
how
that
goes
and
how
successful
it
is
or
isn't.
So.
How
do
other
countries
do
it,
and
also,
why
does
the
city
of
san
jose
utilize
the
sobering
system
at
lower
rates
than
other
jurisdictions?
I
remember
being
at
meetings
where
that
was
one
of
the
questions
and
I
was
hoping
that
would
have
been
discussed
at
this
time
with
regards
to
alternatives
to
incarceration.
M
I'm
so
glad
that
I'll
be
on
that
committee
and
I
think
that's
hugely
important.
Access
for
all
people
is
also
related,
so,
for
example,
captions
weren't
on
in
this
meeting,
and
then
there
were
problems
and
the
blackbird
residential
program
to
my
knowledge
is
not
accessible
to
people
who
use
wheelchairs
so
making
sure
that
the
supportive
services
are
available
to
all
is
extremely
important.
D
Hi,
I'm
sorry,
I'm
having
technical
problems
go
ahead.
Please
I'm
sorry,
I'm
having
a
technical
problem.
Yeah,
we're
really
concerned.
You
know
I'm
from
surge
and
they
care
first
yellow
sas
coalition
heard
from
a
lot
of
my
colleagues
where
we
need
to
have
a
direct
and
independent
phone
line
to
the
trust
program,
which
is
one
of
the
two
non-law
enforcement
responses
to
crisis
interventions,
and
we've
heard
that
if
you
call
988
you're
very
likely
to
get
police
responding
and
that
totally
undermines
the
whole
principle
of
having
trust.
D
There
is
no
way
that
someone
can
call
trust
and
know
that
trust
is
going
to
respond
and
not
police
and
I
live
in
a
building
where
there's
a
quite
a
few
people
who
have
issues
that
I
would
like
to
be
able
to
call
some
light
trust
because
we've
had
police
shootings
when
the
police
respond
in
our
building
and
you
know,
debug
has
been
pushing
for
trust
as
a
non-law
enforcement
alternative
incarceration
and
we
need
to
have
access
to
trust.
Thank
you
very
much.
A
P
Hi,
my
name
is
michelle
mashburn.
I
want
to
point
out
that
this
is
a
this.
Mental
health
crisis
is
a
crisis
of
funding
and
of
access
and
not
mental
illness.
So
when
we
have
discussions
around
these
issues,
the
equity
needs
to
be
first
in
those
discussions
and
foremost,
when
we
do
not
center
equity.
In
these
discussions,
the
services
are
destined
to
fail
and
to
be
inadequate
to
meet
the
needs
of
the
community
members
and
we're
placing
the
burden
of
those
needs
of
those
in
need
onto
those
in
need.
P
Instead
of
the
funding
crisis,
where
it
really
needs
to
reside,
when
we
talk
about
removing
autonomy
in
any
way,
shape
or
form,
even
for
the
safety
of
the
person
involved,
equity
measures
need
to
include
race,
disability
and
socio
economic
status
and
all
have
to
be
considered.
Sadly,
we
live
in
a
county
that
lacks
representational
disability
training
for
the
police
force,
but
it
also
includes
a
race
equity
lens.
Thank
you.
O
Thank
you.
The
statement
and
public
comment
at
the
top
of
this
meeting
is
this
good
morning
my
name
is
zakiyah
cooper.
Thank
you
for
allowing
me
to
speak.
I
am
very
concerned
about
the
tone
of
the
san
jose
mary's
campaign.
The
use
of
the
term
catch
and
release
used
by
matt
mann
and
mayor
loccardo
have
racist
overtones
that
are
offensive
to
descendants
of
former
slaves.
O
All
right,
the
historical
meaning
of
that
term
is
where
slave
catchers
catch
slaves
and
release
them
to
owners.
This
language
is
unacceptable
and
must
cease
immediately.
This
type
of
language
is
dog
whistling
to
whites,
afraid
to
be
afraid
of
people
of
color
the
same
racist
tactics
as
willie
horton
in
the
demonization
of
black
men.
This
cannot
be
allowed
to
continue
by
the
good
people
of
our
community.
Thank
you.
G
A
You
know
we
have
a
real
opportunity
here
as
a
county
to
literally
save
lives.
We
spent
resources,
time
energies,
people
put
tremendous
amount
of
effort
into
creating
the
trust
program
and
it
defeats
the
entire
purpose.
If
we
essentially
undermine
trust
and
make
it
almost
a
secret
program
if
it
gets
watered
down
and
it
doesn't
get
tapped
into
and
it's
not
accessible
by
the
community
that
wants
it.
This
is
this
is
a
call
that
came
from
families
who
had
lost
loved
ones
to
police.
The
response
was
to
create
trust.
A
We
could
save
lives,
but
it
makes
no
sense
to
develop
a
program
and
not
make
it
actually
work
or
accessible,
and
if
we
want
to
decarcerate
having
law
enforcement,
not
involved
in
mental
health.
Calls
is
a
way
to
not
get
people
trapped
in
the
system
as
well.
So
I
urge
the
county
to
do
the
right
thing
and
create
an
independent
number.
K
Hi
richard
conda
executive,
director
asian
law
alliance-
and
I
want
to
compliment
the
county
for
setting
up
the
trust
program,
but
I
believe
it's
time
for
the
county
to
trust
the
trust
program,
to
allow
the
community
direct
access
to
trust
and
not
to
have
the
class
rooted
through
some
other
system.
It's
really
important.
This
will
save
lives
if
we
give
it
an
opportunity
to
work
so
again,
trust
the
trust
program.
Let
the
community
have
direct
access
through
that
number.
Thank
you
very
much.
P
Hi,
my
name
is
regina
cardinis,
I'm
also
an
impacted
family
member.
My
dad
was
killed
by
law
enforcement.
I
worked
closely
with
these
other
families
who
their
loved
one
was
going
through
mental
health
crisis,
and
these
cit
trained
officers
did
come
and
kill
their
loved
ones.
We
want
there
to
be
a
separate
number
for
trust
where
we
can
call,
and
we
know
that
we're
not
possibly
putting
ourselves
in
a
situation
of
getting
our
loved
loved
ones
killed.
P
We
want
to
know
that
there's
people
who
are
going
to
take
the
right
precautions,
the
right
measures
and
not
just
shoot
to
kill
like
I
said
I
don't
know
what
the
cit
training
involves,
but
obviously
it's
not
doing
what
it
needs
to
do.
If
all
these
cit
officers
have
killed
multiple
people
from
multiple
families,
we
want
a
separate
number
that
we
believe
in.
B
Thank
you
so
much
to
members
of
the
public
who
took
time
to
weigh
in
I
hear
the
the
request
loud
and
clear
and
we'll
we'll
commit
to
directing
staff
to
look
into
the
feasibility
of
whether
there
can
be
a
separate,
unique
line
for
for
the
trust
system.
I
I
want
to
thank
again
all
of
the
the
staff
members
from
the
city
and
the
county
who
worked
so
hard
to
provide
really
what
is
a
year's
long
education
into
into
two
hours.