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City of San José, California
Planning Commission, September 27, 2023.
This public meeting will be held at San José City Hall and also accessible via Zoom Webinar. For information on public participation via Zoom, please refer to the linked meeting agenda below.
Agenda: https://sanjose.legistar.com/View.ashx?M=A&ID=1122298&GUID=AC8B0831-BEC1-49C5-9FFB-B5222914985A
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I'm,
the
chair
of
the
Planning
Commission,
welcome
to
the
Planning
Commission
meeting.
Please
remember
to
turn
off
your
cell
phones,
parking
validation,
machine
for
the
garage
under
City
Hall
is
located
at
the
rear
of
the
chambers
up
at
the
top
of
the
stairs
following
a
roll
call
during
summer
curing
procedure,
we'll
review
how
the
public
May
provide
comment
during
today's
session.
At
this
time
we
will
rise
and
say
the
Pledge
of
Allegiance.
B
Right
summary
of
hearing
procedures,
if
you
want
to
address
the
commission,
please
fill
out
a
speaker
card
located
on
the
table
near
the
audio
visual
technician
and
to
deposit
the
completed
card
in
the
basket.
There
are
also
speaker
cards
on
the
back
of
the
chambers
and
at
the
side
entrance
procedure
for
this
hearing
is
as
follows.
After
staff's
presentation,
applicants
and
or
repellents
may
make
up
to
a
five-minute
presentation.
B
Each
speaker
will
be
given
up
to
two
minutes
of
public
testimony
and
speakers
using
a
translator,
we'll
have
it
to
four
minutes
at
the
discretion
of
the
chair.
The
time
allowed
to
each
speaker
may
be
changed
depending
on
the
number
of
items
on
the
agenda
number
of
speakers
and
other
factors.
Speakers
using
a
translator
will
have
double
the
time
allotted
after
the
public.
Testimony
the
applicant
and
or
repellent
may
make
closing
remarks
for
up
to
an
additional
five
minutes.
B
Planning
Commissioners
may
ask
questions
of
the
speakers
and
responds
to
commissioner
questions
will
not
reduce
the
speaker's
time
allowance.
The
public
hearing
will
then
be
closed
and
the
Planning
Commission
will
take
action
on
the
item.
The
Planning
Commission
May
request
staff
to
respond
to
the
public
testimony
ask
staff
questions
and
discuss
the
item.
B
If
you
challenge
these
land
use
decisions
in
court,
you
may
be
limited
to
raising
only
those
issues
you
or
someone
else
raised
at
the
public
hearing
or
written
correspondence
delivered
to
the
city
at
or
prior
to
the
public
hearing,
planning
commissions,
actions
on
rezonings,
pre-zonings
and
general
plan
amendments
and
code
amendments
is
only
advisory
to
the
city
council.
The
city
council
will
hold
public
hearings
on
these
items.
B
So
now
we'll
go
to
call
and
order
and
the
orders
of
the
day
and
I
just
realized
I
skipped
over
taking
role
so
apologize
for
that
we'll
go
back
and
do
that
so
for
the
roll
call
myself
Justin
Lauren
watch
here,
I'm
here,
Vice,
chair,
pronounced
wise
is
not
present.
Commissioner
barrosio.
D
E
F
B
Professor
Garcia
here,
commissioner
oliveirio
here,
commissioner
Rosario
here,
commissioner
tordios
here
and
commissioner
young
here-
apologies
for
that
okay,
we'll
go
back
to
call
the
order
and
Orders
of
the
day
before
we
begin
I
want
to
remind
the
Planning
Commission
members
of
the
public
to
follow
our
code
of
conduct
meetings.
This
includes
commenting
on
the
specific
agenda
item
only
in
addressing
the
full
body.
Speakers
will
not
engage
in
conversation
with
Commissioners
or
staff.
B
All
members
of
the
Planning
Commission
staff
and
the
public
are
expected
refrain
from
abusive
language,
repeated
failure
to
comply
with
the
code
of
conduct
which
will
disturb,
disrupt
or
impede
the
orderly
conduct
of
this
meeting.
May
result
in
removal
from
the
meeting
this
meeting
of
the
Planning
Commission
will
now
come
to
order.
I've
been
asked
by
the
City
attorney
to
ask
if
anyone
on
the
commission
has
had
any
ex
parte
Communications
any
Communications
with
folks
about
items
on
the
agenda
outside
of
this
meeting.
B
G
D
Yes,
by
name
or
party
representation,
so
the
applicant
shadowy
figure,
no,
the
applicant,
the
owner
and
a
Community
member,
both
on
each
side
of
the
with
opposing.
H
H
Else
just
gonna
remind
the
commission.
The
purpose
of
this
is
just
so.
You
can
disclose
to
the
public
so
telling
them
that
you're
not
biased,
because
you've
disclosed
that
you've
had
a
conversation,
so
we
just
want
to
be
open
with
our
conversations
just
so
that
everyone
knows
kind
of.
What's
behind
this
decision,
all
good.
B
All
right
moving
along
we'll
go
to
public
comment.
This
is
the
portion
of
the
meeting
where
you
can
give
public
comment
on
items
that
are
not
on
tonight's
agenda.
Anything
relating
to
City,
business
and
so
same
rules
as
I
spoke
to
earlier
apply.
B
I
also
just
want
to
clarify
that
the
commission
cannot
take
any
formal
action
without
the
item
being
properly
noticed
and
placed
on
an
agenda
and
in
response
to
public
comment,
the
Planning
Commission
is
limited
to
the
following
options:
responding
to
statements
made
or
questions
post
members
with
the
public
or
requesting
staff
to
report
back
on
a
matter
at
a
subsequent
meeting
or
directing
staff
to
place
the
item
on
a
future
agenda.
Do
we
have
any
speakers
for
public
comment
for
items
not
on
the
Planning
Commission
agenda,
either
in
person
or
over
Zoom.
B
E
I
B
Me
I
don't
mean
to
interrupt
you,
but
is
this
regarding
item
5A
on
the
agenda,
which
is
the
alcohol
permit
for
the
store
located
at
1484,
South,
White,
Road
I
think
so
it's
wide
in
the
story.
Gotcha.
Okay.
So
at
this
time
we're
taking
public
comment
for
items
that
are
not
on
the
agenda.
When
we
get
to
that
item,
you
can
give
a
comment
at
that
time.
J
L
B
All
right
so
now
we
will
move
on
to
item
four
the
consent
calendar.
These
are
items
that
are
considered
routine
and
that
can
be
approved
without
a
full
presentation
discussion.
However,
any
member
of
the
commission
may
pull
an
item
to
have
a
full
discussion
on
it.
Tonight
we
have
two
items
on
the
consent
calendar.
We
have
the
minutes
from
our
previous
meeting
on
September
13th
2023,
and
then
we
have
Item
B,
which
is
a
conditional
use,
permit
Amendment
for
drinking
establishment
at
169,
West
Santa
Clara
Street.
K
We
have
one
hand
raised
sure
it's
on
a
specific
item,
but
we
can
ask
them
sure.
B
So
yeah,
if
staff
could
unmute
the
person
and
they
could
State
their
name
and
what
item
they
want
to
speak
on.
Excuse
me,
sorry,
and
then
you
know
two
minutes
to
speak.
M
Yeah,
my
name
is
hi.
My
name
is
Jeffrey.
Getting
me
to
all
the
planning.
Commissioners
I
have
been
living
here
at
the
road
of
Mount
Vista
for
about
a
year
now,
please,
we
do
not
want
a
liquor
store.
It
causes
major
problems.
Jeffrey.
B
If
I
may
interrupt
you
for
a
second,
are
you
commenting
on
the
license
for
the
store
at
1484,
South,
White,
Road.
M
B
Yeah,
okay,
so
this
is
actually
not
the
time
for
comments
on
that
item.
When
we
get
to
that
you're
free
to
make
a
comment,
then.
B
B
Okay,
no
further
public
comment
on
the
consent.
Calendar
also
I'd
just
like
to
remind
everyone
on
the
days
to
mute
your
devices
great,
so
we'll
go
back
to
the
commission.
Do
we
have
motion.
B
O
B
Commissioner
brosio,
yes,
commissioner,
Bickford
questioner
Cantrell
is
not
present.
Commissioner
Casey.
Yes,
commissioner
Garcia.
Yes,
commissioner
oliveirio.
Yes,
commissioner,
Rosario.
B
B
J
B
Seconds,
okay,
so
we
will
move
right.
B
Sorry,
I
was
timing.
The
Zoom
public
comments
myself
forgot
to
turn
that
off
all
right,
so
we'll
move
on
to
the
public
hearing.
So
this
is
the
time
that
we'll
discuss
cp22-024
and
er
22-187.
This
is
a
conditional
use
permit
to
allow
the
off
sale
of
alcohol
for
a
full
range
of
alcoholic
beverages
under
type
21
ABC
license
with
an
existing
tenant
space
fast
March
located
at
1484
South
White
Road
I.
B
It's
my
understanding
that
there's
a
staff
presentation
on
this
item
great
so
we'll
go
to
that
and
then
I
know
there's
interest
from
the
public.
So
just
to
reiterate
the
process
from
earlier
we'll
have
the
staff
presentation.
Then
the
applicant
will
speak
for
five
minutes.
Then
we'll
take
public
comment.
Then
the
applicant
will
speak
again
and
then
we'll
go
to
the
commission.
Thank
you.
Q
The
site
is
surrounded
by
Medical
Offices
to
the
north,
a
two-story
multi-family
residential
building
to
the
South
detached
single-family
residences
to
the
east,
across
Mount
Hermon
drive
and
detached
to
single-family
residences
to
the
west.
Across
South,
White
Road
fastmart
occupies
approximately
15
1537
square
feet
of
a
commercial
building
shared
with
a
public
eating
establishment
La
barrier.
Q
The
project
is
consistent
with
the
site's
General
plan,
land
use,
designation
of
neighborhood,
community
commercial
and
general
plan
policies
regarding
neighborhood
retail
development
that
provides
safe
and
convenient
access
to
goods
and
services.
There
is
also
a
general
plan
policy
which
gives
preference
for
the
off
sale
of
alcohol
to
establishments
that
offer
a
full
range
of
food
choices.
Q
The
project
is
consistent
with
the
use,
regulations
and
development
standards
of
the
CP
commercial
pedestrian.
Zoning
District
as
the
project
would
not
alter
or
expand
the
existing
commercial
building
or
trigger
additional
vehicle
bicycle
or
motorcycle
parking
over
the
primary
retail
and
restaurant
uses
on
site.
Q
A
determination
of
public
convenience
or
necessity
is
not
required
for
the
project,
as
the
project
site
is
not
located
within
an
over
concentrated
census
tract
or
within
an
area
considered
to
be
high
crime,
there
is
one
off
sale.
One
off
sale
license
currently
located
within
the
census.
Tract
and
three
licenses
are
allowed.
Q
The
site
is
not
located
within
a
police
beat
considered
to
be
high
crime,
which
is
defined
as
20
percent.
Above
the
city
average,
a
police
memorandum
dated
July
18
2023
states
that
the
police
department
is
neutral
to
the
off
sale
of
alcohol
at
this
site.
An
initial
police
memorandum
dated
February
1st
2023
stated
that
the
police
department
opposed
the
off
sale
of
alcohol
at
this
site,
citing
a
large
volume
of
service
calls
within
one
thousand
feet
of
the
site.
Q
The
initial
memorandum
also
identified
a
history
of
ABC
violations,
a
previous
business
owner
committed
from
additional
discussion
with
the
police
department.
The
second
memorandum
considers
that
a
new
business
owner
is
applying
for
this
conditional
use
permit,
as
well
as
the
fact
that
fewer
service
calls
have
been
received.
Since
the
first
memorandum
was
written,
the
addition
of
off
sale
alcohol
at
this
location
meets
the
required
Municipal
Code
findings
for
the
off
sale
of
alcohol
outlined
in
chapter
20.80,
part
11..
Q
The
addition
of
off
sale
alcohol
at
this
location
would
not
create
more
than
four
off-sale
establishments
within
a
one
thousand
foot
radius
of
the
site.
Only
one
other
establishment
with
an
active
license
is
within
that
1000
foot.
Radius.
Fast
Mart,
however,
is
located
within
500
feet
of
a
school
and
within
150
feet
of
residentially
zoned
properties.
Q
In
addition,
fastmart
would
install
signs
prohibiting
loitering
and
maintain
the
site
three
days
a
week.
These
operations
plan
Provisions,
which
are
included
as
conditions
of
approval
in
this
conditional
use,
permit
or
counterbalancing
considerations
that,
along
with
the
building's
orientation
and
police
department
stance,
allow
staff
to
make
the
finding
that
this
proposal
would
not
adversely
affect
the
surrounding
neighborhood,
as
the
project
only
includes
interior
tenant
improvements
for
the
interior.
Q
For
the
indoor
storage
of
of
alcohol,
the
project
is
categorically
exempt
pursuant
to
sequence,
section
15301,
a
for
existing
facilities,
staff
also
followed
Council
policy
6-30
for
public
Outreach
and
an
on-site
sign
has
been
posted
on
the
property
since
April
26
2023.
This
concludes
staff's
presentation.
B
Thank
you,
I
see
a
request
from
commissioner
oliveiro
to
speak.
Is
that
something
that
needs
to
come
up
before
the
public
comment.
B
N
Q
Beverages,
no,
there
is
not
we
we
do
look
at
if
there
are
additional
findings
that
need
to
be
made
for
a
public
convenience
or
necessity.
Then
we
do
take
a
look
at
the
square
footage
that
the
alcohol
sales
would
occupy.
But
in
this
case
we
do
not.
Q
There
there
is
not,
but
I
I
think
the
average
typically
hangs
around
five
percent.
Oh,
but
there's
there's
no
hard
rule
that
says
above
this
percentage.
We
cannot
make
a
finding
and
below
this
percentage
we
can
okay.
B
Okay,
so
we'll
go
ahead
and
this
will
be
the
time
for
the
applicant
to
speak.
If
there's
anyone
here
at
the
applicant
or
anyone
representing
them
is
here,
you
can
speak
for
five
minutes.
R
Good
evening
Commissioners
Mr,
chair
staff,
Vince
Rivera
1154
Park
Avenue
ver
Engineers,
been
getting
permits
for
our
thiaga's
other
Grocers
for
a
long
long
time
and
I
knew
about
this
location
and
the
liquor
store
that
was
there
from
before.
So
when
Mr
gruel
came
to
my
office,
I
was
skeptical
about
a
liquor
store
in
that
neighborhood.
R
It
took
some
time
and
some
convincing,
but
what
he's
running
here
is
not
a
liquor
store,
he's
a
grocer
and
we
take
pride
in
that
he's
a
grocer
and
continue
to
seek
your
support
and
to
work
with
the
city
of
San.
Jose
I
want
to
thank
San,
Jose
police
for
working
with
us
and
guiding
us
and
coming
up
with
our
operational
plan
and
staff
in
particular
Cameron
for
working
with
us
and
getting
us
to
this
point
for
approval
for
a
grocery.
R
Yes,
we
have
been
asked
by
The
Neighborhood
to
provide
what
other
Grocers
do.
What
artiagas
does
what
zanados
has
done?
People
I
worked
with
in
the
past,
and
that
is
an
alcohol
component
for
off-site.
We
don't
want
them
drinking
there,
but
that
is
the
The
Proposal
here
before
you.
It's
not
for
a
liquor
store,
we
don't
want
a
liquor
store.
I
bought
the
family,
because
this
is
a
family
business,
the
entire
family's
here
to
try
and
have
this
business.
S
Good
evening,
ladies
and
gentlemen,
is
team
members
of
San,
Jose
City
commissioners
I
want
to
express
my
sincere
gratitude
for
allowing
me
to
meet
this
opportunity
to
address
you
today
for
the
owner
of
our
neighborhood
market.
Fast
Mart,
located
at
1484
South
White
Road
I
am
deeply
committed
to
serving
our
community
and
ensuring
its
continued
growth.
Fast
Mart
plays
a
unique
and
essential
role
in
our
neighborhood.
It
is
not
just
a
convenience
store,
it
is
a
Lifeline
for
residents,
providing
them
with
the
everyday,
essential
and
sense
of
reliability
that
they
can
count
on.
S
People
come
to
Fast
Mart
because
they
know
they
can
get
items.
They
need
prices
lower
than
other
nearby
stores
in
east
side,
San
Jose.
Additionally,
it's
worth
highlighting
that
between
Okala
and
Quimby
Road
stretching
all
the
way
towards
the
hills.
There
is
isn't
a
single
retail
store
where
people
can
go
for
everyday,
essential
items.
Today,
I
stand
before
you
to
discuss
the
potential
inclusion
of
ABC
license
for
Fast
Mart.
This
is
addition
to
crucial
for
us
to
be
better
meet
the
demands
and
needs
of
our
residents.
S
It
will
allow
us
to
expand
our
products
offering,
particularly
in
Main
of
alcohol
beverages,
providing
more
convenience
and
affordability
in
our
customer
to
our
customers
at
Fast
Mart.
We
will
take
the
responsible
sales
of
alcohol
very
seriously.
We
will
dedicate
to
implementing
stringent
security
measures,
comprehensive
start
training,
programs
and
rigorous
age
verification
protocols
to
ensure
the
outmost
safety
and
responsibility.
S
Smart,
smart
Vision
extends
to
Bringing
crunchy
chicken,
a
popular
and
Below
dining
option
to
this
location.
Crunchy
chicken
has
approved
this
location,
but
they
have
set
a
minimum
monthly
sales
requiring
85
000
for
inside
sales.
However,
to
sustain
this
Vision,
even
though
we
are
getting
many
repeat,
customers
who
buy
dollar
fifty
plus
groceries
in
one-time
shopping
stops.
It
is
very
hard
to
reach
the
sales
marked
of
85
000
per
month
without
a
ability
to
offer
diver
diverse
range
of
products,
including
the
alcohol
beverages.
S
I
stand
before
you
today,
not
just
as
owner
of
Fast
Mart,
but
as
a
member
of
vibrant
and
diverse
Community
I
have
been
positive.
Impact.
I
have
seen
the
positive
impact
that
Fast
Mart
has
on
our
neighborhood
and
I
am
committed
to
ensure
that
I
that
it
continued
to
thrive
and
serve
a
resident
to
the
best
of
its
ability.
In
conclusion,
I
humbly
request
your
support
and
consideration
in
granting
phosma
the
ABC
license.
It
needs
to
enhance
the
convenience,
affordability
and
overall
experience
for
our
community.
S
B
I
think
that's
the
microphone
turn
off
since
the
end
of
the
time,
so
you'll
have
yeah.
You'll
have
another
five
minutes
after
public
comment,
all
right.
So
we'll
move
on
to
public
comment
on
this,
we'll
do
in
person
first
and
then
over
Zoom.
So
the
two
gentlemen
who
spoke
earlier.
This
would
be
your
times
go
ahead
and
raise
your
hand.
I
have
one
speaker
card
right
now,
I
believe
the
name
on
it
is
Amato
Gonzalez.
B
B
C
C
T
Good
evening
Commissioners
Corey
McNaughton,
translating
my
name
is
Amado
Gonzalez.
My
reason
for
being
here
today
is
to
see
if
we
can
not
continue
with
providing
a
liquor
license
for
1484
South
White
Road.
We
have
a
high
school,
approximately
three
to
four
blocks
from
the
site
and
we
have
and
we
have
enough
problems
when
the
students
get
out
of
school
going
and
buying
at
not
liquor
but
going
and
buying
at
that
store.
Now
the
problems
were
worse
before
when
there
was
liquor
being
sold
there.
T
C
C
B
T
C
T
Okay,
he
would
just
like
to
add
that
that
was
his
only
reason
for
being
here
today
was
to
you
know,
he's
not
against
anybody
and
their
business,
but
he
just
wants
to
make
sure
that
they
take
into
consideration
his
understanding
of
things
having
been
there
for
30
years.
Okay,
thank.
T
B
T
V
B
B
B
B
B
I
Yeah
I've
been
I've
been
a
resident
of
the
district
five
for
about
past
10
years.
We
had
the
liquor
store
here
for
always
out
of
problems.
Thank
God
look
stories
now
not
here
now,
please
for
God's
sakes,
no
liquor
store
here,
because
it's
been
problems
before
I've
seen
kids
hanging
out.
They
won't
leave
the
property
and
they
cause
trouble.
They
end
up
getting
rested
right
in
front
of
the
liquor
store.
So
it's
been
a
problem,
so
we
don't
want
trouble
trouble
with
the
cops
the
neighbors
don't
like
it.
I
B
Thank
you
we'll
go
to
the
next
speaker.
If
there's
one.
V
Yes,
how
you
doing
my
name
is
Johnny
Anderson
and
I've
lived
in
the
neighborhood
for
about
22
years
and
I.
Remember
when
there
was
used
to
be
a
liquor
store
there
and
I
mean
it
was
ridiculous.
It
would
be.
You
know,
big
groups
of
kids
hanging
out
side
shows
you
name
it
drug
dealing
going
on
you
know.
So
we
were.
We
were
really
happy
when
the
liquor
store
was
removed
and
stuff.
So
we
urge
the
Commissioners
to
vote
no
on
this
and
we
don't
need
you
know.
V
If
there's
if
you,
if
they're
trying
to
open
up
for
a
grocery
store,
you
know
there's
it
doesn't
make
any
sense
to
have
liquor
there
as
well.
So
you
know
grocery's
fine,
but
there's
other
grocery
stores
in
in
near.
You
know
surrounding
just
about
a
block
up.
There's
7-Eleven,
there's,
there's
so
many
other
spots.
V
So
I
think
this
is
just
a
trick
to
try
to
get
a
liquor
license
to
try
to
sell
liquor.
You
know
back
in
that
same
spot
again,
so
we
urge
you
guys
to
vote
no
on
this
it'll
be
wonderful
for
the
neighborhood
not
to
have
that
there.
So
that's
it.
V
A
V
Yes,
how
are
you
doing?
This
is
cam
I
I,
remember
as
well,
there
used
to
be
a
liquor
store
here
years
back
and
we
we
did
not
like
it.
My
kids
go
to
the
high
school
right
up
the
street,
and
you
know
it's
already
a
problem
that
there's
you
know
that
they
hang
out
afterwards
and
you
know,
there's
a
lot
of
stuff
going
on
and.
V
Don't
want
another
liquor
store
there
for
sure
they're,
saying
of
grocery
store
and
stuff,
but
I
don't
think.
That's
that
they're
telling
the
truth
about
this.
V
We
we
would
urge
for
the
Commissioners
to
vote
no
on
this
and
leave
this
out
of
the
neighborhood
I,
like
I,
said
I
I
remember
when
there
used
to
be
a
liquor
store
there
and
there
was
all
kinds
of
police
there.
All
the
time
problems,
drug
dealing,
drug
dealers
going
on
selling
drugs
as
well
to
the
kids
and
I
know
this,
because
I
have
two
kids
that
go
to
the
school
right
up:
the
street
Mount
Pleasant
and-
and
you
know
so,
we
urge
for
the
Commissioners
tonight
to
vote
no
on
this.
X
X
E
M
So
my
name
is
Jeffrey
getting
into
all
the
planning.
Commissioners
I
have
been
at
this
facility
here
for
quite
a
while
over
years.
Now,
please
we
don't
need
we
don't
we
don't
need
a
liquor
store,
because
it's
major
problems
in
the
neighborhood
we
don't
want-
need
to
have
liquor
store
back.
There
are
plenty
other
liquor
stores.
M
There
are
plenty
of
close
by
liquor
stores
in
our
neighborhood.
Please,
please,
no
more
liquor
store
here
at
White.
Thank
you.
Y
Y
Yes,
please
go
ahead
with
your
comment.
Okay,
I
just
wanted
to
say
that
the
area
really
doesn't
need
another
liquor
store.
I
mean
every
time
a
new
liquor
store
opens
up.
Property
values
go
down
as
it
is
we're
just
you
know,
giving
access
to
liquor
to
minors
that
are
nearby
the
high
schools
were
very
close,
and
you
know
students
can
get
older
students
to
buy
alcohol
for
them
and
give
it
to
them.
Y
So
if
it's
within
500
feet
of
a
high
school,
then
really
we're
just
promoting
this
accessibility
to
drugs
and
also
vape
pens
is
our
big
problem.
Schools
these
days,
I'm
positive,
that's
a
big
seller
in
liquor
stores.
So
that's
really
the
target
choice
for
teens
these
days.
So
if
you,
you
can
walk
right
outside
your
high
school
and
go
get
some
vape
pens,
that's
great
accessibility,
so
we
don't
need
to
provide
more
accessibility
to
younger
audiences
as
well.
As
you
know,
folks
that
are
alcoholics.
J
Y
Hey
I'll
go
pick
one
up
right
now,
I'll
be
right
back,
so
we're
making
the
neighborhood
unsafe
or
teenagers
as
well
as
adults,
and
it
just
there's
plenty
of
ways
to
get
alcohol
these
days,
if
you're,
a
drinker
you'll
find
it,
but
if
it's
around
the
street
you're
really
going
to
be
there
in
a
heartbeat,
so
we
don't
need
to
get
more
accessibility.
That's
all!
Thank
you.
Z
Can
you
hear
me
yes,
okay,
all
I
have
to
say
is
good
evening
honorable
planning
Commissioners,
my
name
is
Michael
gonzalza,
please
vote
no
on
this
project.
A
liquor
store
will
bring
nothing
but
problems.
We,
the
neighbor,
Neighbors,
don't
want
it
here
in
our
neighborhood.
We
thank
God
that
the
previous
liquor
store
got
shut
down.
Liquor
store
only
creates
problems
wherever
they
go.
Please
vote
no.
Please
vote
no
and
thank
you.
E
W
Hi
this
is
this
is
Jamie
Regina
Lopez,
good
evening
your
honorable
Commissioners.
We
we've
been
in
the
neighborhood
about
five
years
now
and
then
the
a
lot
of
concerns
and
a
lot
of
issues.
We
have
you
know
kids
and
family,
we
don't.
We
don't
need
the
liquor
store,
but
I
mean
we.
The
neighborhood
needs
to
be
safer
needs
to
me.
I
need
to
come
to
do
things
right
and
I've
voting.
No
thank
you
at
this
time,
but
we
would
we
would
help
us.
Thank
you.
AA
I
am
a
resident
in
this
community.
I
oppose
opening
a
liquor
store.
You
know
if
there's
one
already
there
they're
selling
food
products.
That's
fine,
but
alcohol
sales
across
from
a
high
school
is
only
promoting
more
violence,
more
substance,
abuse
and
I'm.
A
objective
to
that.
So
please
Commissioners.
Please
reject
this
license
thanks.
F
I
just
like
to
say,
vote
no
I'm
having
a
liquor
store,
very
open,
neighborhood
I've
been
there
living
there
on
and
off
throughout
my
whole
life
and
as
I
see,
there's
nothing
but
crime
this
this
drug
dealing,
almost
everything
we
don't
need
that
no
more,
it's
be
more
safer
about
one.
Thank
you,
Lord
know.
AB
Okay,
I'm
I'm
here
today
or
my
personal
good
evening,
honorable
planning,
Commissioners
and
I'm
here
today
to
to
to
ask
that
you
guys
both
both
know
on
this
having
a
liquor
store
there.
It
just
brings
problems
up
loitering
drinking
in
public,
the
sideshow
stuff
and
they
they
have
a
little
too
much
to
drink
and
get
in
their
cars
and
speed
around
the
neighborhood.
AB
So
I'm
asking
today
that
you
guys
both
know
on
it
and
I've
I've
seen
all
this
before
I've
lived
in
the
neighborhood
25
plus
years,
and
it's
just
it's
just
a
bad
idea.
So
can
you
please
vote
no
today
on
this.
B
R
Thank
you,
Commissioners
appreciate
it
so
yeah
we
heard
the
neighborhood
line
and
clear
no
liquor
stores,
that's
not
what
we're
proposing
again
liquor.
Alcohol
is
a
component
in
order
for
us
to
be
able
to
compete
with
the
artiagas,
the
neighborhood
markets
like
the
zanados.
R
We
need
to
have
that
adult
adult
beverage
component
so
that
our
fresh
meats
can
also
sell
like
they
do.
Hoover
is
not
that
far
away
from
zanatos.
We
understand
that
we've
met
with
members
of
the
community.
We've
worked
with
the
police
department
to
address
these
concerns.
We
are
not
part
of
the
past
or
the
history
of
the
site
that
was
there.
R
R
R
B
N
Thank
you
chair,
so
back
to
staff
on
squared
footage
limitations,
so
I
think
oftentimes.
The
limitations
are
looked
as
to
make
sure
that
the
intended
uses
when
applied,
remain
and
I'm
saying
what
you
already
know,
but
but
by
not
having
a
square
footage
limitation,
then
that
could
change.
However,
if
the
commission
suggested
a
percentage,
then
that's
what's
locked
in
and
then
I'm
assuming.
If
someone
were
to
complain,
the
city
would
come
out
and
make
the
measurements
and
say
you're
in
compliance
or
non-compliance.
Is
that
correct.
Q
N
Q
Yeah,
so
that
includes
both
the
behind
counter
Spirits,
as
well
as
I,
believe.
There's
one
refrigerator
of
the
existing
that
are
there
dedicated
to
beer
and
wine
got.
N
It
and
then
from
I
think
from
what
the
applicant
has
put
forward
is.
Is
that
they've
put
forward
4.9
percent
the
magic
under
five?
But
that's
what's
something
that
they've
already
proposed,
but
it's
not
locked
in.
N
Yeah
so
I
mean
I,
see
a
family
here,
an
immigrant
family
like
many
immigrant
families
that
has
come
to
this
country
and
operated
small
businesses
to
strive
for
the
American
dream.
On
the
other
hand,
I
clearly
hear
the
comments
from
the
community
and
I
myself
am
not
a
fan
of
Standalone
liquor.
N
However,
if
it's
accompanied
by
food
and
truly
accompanied
by
food,
even
though
it's
not
a
major
brand
grocery
store,
then
I
feel
there
is.
You
know
some
I
feel
that's
a
fair
argument
that
they're
trying
to
you
know
they
don't
have
the
cash
of
a
multi
of
a
corporation
to
you
know
open
20,
000
square
feet.
They
have
the
the
money
to
go
lease.
A
space
of
1537
operate,
5
75
feet
of
this
and
the
balance
of
that.
N
But
if
it's
locked
in
I
feel
better
about
that
I
I,
don't
want
to
speak
for
my
colleagues
that
are
closer
to
this
environment
that
may
live
there,
but
I
just
want
to
throw
that
out
as
something
to
consider.
Thank
you.
U
Q
Yeah
so
I
believe
in
our
general
plan,
there's
a
general
plan
policy
that
gives
examples
of
what
products
are
being
sold
at
a
grocery
store
to
be
considered
for
off
sale.
Alcohol
permits
those
include
like
Dairy
eggs,
fresh
meat
produce,
breads,
Fresh
Foods,
essentially
so.
U
U
B
B
AB
U
B
Oh
I
see
okay
yeah,
so
at
the
very
top
of
your
screen
in
the
middle
there's
a
little
icon
of
three
people,
I
guess
that's
the
way
you
request
to
speak.
All
right!
Apologies
for
the
interruption
there,
especially
young
I,
believe
you
were
next.
AC
Thank
you,
chair,
I,
have
a
couple.
Questions
for
the
applicant
is
that
yeah.
AD
AC
So
Mr
Grewal,
thank
you
very
much
for
the
email
you
sent
I'm
guessing
you
sent
it
to
all
of
us,
but
I
appreciate
it.
You
provided
a
lot
of
information,
a
lot
of
background
on
your
own
professional
experience,
which
seems
to
be
pretty
extensive.
You
operate
three
Denny's
restaurants.
From
what
I
understand
the
credit.
It's
a.
AC
Great
I
actually
went
out
to
the
site
today
and
and
I
wanted
to
provide
a
context
for
my
fellow
Commissioners,
but
but
I
want
to
make
sure
I
understand
so
that
so
at
the
site,
where
the
LA
barberia
restaurant
is
then
then
there's
a
sign
that
says.
Vista
Liquors.
Is
that
the
the
plot
that
you're
taking
over
no.
S
I
already
took
over
that
plot,
almost
14
months
ago
and
I'm
operating
it
as
a
Fast
Mart.
We
covered
that
the
Vista
liquor,
but
that
cover
came
off
yesterday.
There
was
like
a
strong
winds
over
there,
so
that
cover
came
off
from
the
Vista
liquor,
but
it's
a
fast
mud.
You
can
see
on
the
main
road.
We
have
a
fast
mod,
big
sign.
S
Okay,
once
we
enter
the
parking
lot,
you
see
the
under
Library
restaurant
there's
a
sign,
Fast
Mart,
yeah,.
AC
I
saw
the
sign,
but
I
wasn't
so
the
the
old
liquor
store
that,
where
the
sign
says
Vista
Liquors
that
that's
not
the
business
it's
they
are
taking
over.
Is
that
correct.
S
Look,
that's
the
business,
but
the
name
is
change.
Actually
it's
not
a
Vista
liquor
anymore.
It
used
to
be
Vista
liquor
almost
I,
think
three
years
ago
right,
so
there
were
like
two
owners
prior
to
me:
I
think
the
owner,
the
all
the
public
they
were
talking
about.
Like
I,
think
there
were
a
lot
of
shady
things
going
on
I.
Think
one
of
the
owner's
wife
died
so
like
he
was
upset,
I,
don't
know
what
happened
to
him,
that's
what
I'm
hearing
and
then
a
lot
of
things
started
happening
at
this
place.
S
AC
Great
one
more
question:
I
happen
to
be
a
fan
of
crunchy
chicken
myself,
but
I'm
not
sure
the
other
Commissioners
are
familiar
with
that.
So
could
you
explain
to
the
other
Commissioners
what
what
that
is,
and
if
you
were
able
to
get
that
in
your
store,
what
that
provided.
S
My
friends
they
own
like
a
lot
of
Gap
like
a
travel
plazas
right,
so
they
have
crunchy
chicken
Cooper
chicken
right.
So
they
suggested
me
to
bring
in
this
area
right.
Even
I
had
a
discussion
with
the
neighbors.
You
know
like
they
want
me
to
bring
Denny's
in
that
area,
but
there
is
no
place
where
I
can
drink.
Denny's
right
Denny's
need
like
larger
space,
so
I
can't
open
Dennis
at
this
small,
because
Dennis
has
their
own
criteria.
S
They
have
certain
rules,
they
have
to
follow
so
then
I
started
looking
for
other
things
like
say:
I
checked
with
the
Primo
sandwiches,
the
guy
on
the
Alum,
Rock
I,
think
he's
having
some
issue
with
his
landlord
and
then
I
called
Cooper
chicken
I
called
crunchy
chicken,
so
crunchy
chicken
approved
me,
and
they
said
they
can
approve
me.
They
can.
Let
me
sell
crunchy
chicken
here,
but
they
need
at
least
85
000
inside
sale.
S
They
want
to
see
more
traffic
here
because
there's
like
initial
65
000
worth
of
like
appliances,
and
they
will
also
like
what
you
call
that
give
me
credit
for
that
right.
The
initial
investment
to
help
me
to
start
the
business
and
they
said
they
don't
want
to
take
a
risk.
You
know,
because
if
there's
no
traffic
they're
not
going
to
take
risk
right,
so
if
you
bring
more
traffic-
yes,
definitely
they
will
they
can.
They
will
help
me
with
this.
That's
what
they
told
me:
okay,.
AC
AC
You
so
I
I
was
at
the
site
today.
I
wanted
to
disclose
that
and
I
want
to
just
give
the
Commissioners
a
little
bit
of
context
on
this.
So
this
is
on
White
Road,
a
very
nice
neighborhood
of
White
Road
White
Road
is
a
large
Commercial
Street
right,
it's
a
45
mile,
an
hour
two-lane
street.
So
there
are
two
small
strip
malls.
AC
The
one
to
the
North
has
a
7-Eleven
has
a
liquor
store
and
it
has
a
restaurant
and
then
there's
a
medical
building.
It's
kind
of
like
a
two-story
medical
building
there
and
then
there's
the
the
property
that
Mr
gruel
has
which
has
the
LA
Barrera,
restaurant
and
the
and
the
his
store
so
and
and
the
school
in
question.
Thomas
More
school
is
I
believe
it's
either
an
elementary
middle
school.
AC
It's
across
White
Road
about
two
blocks
down
I
actually
walked
down
there.
It
took
me
about
five
minutes
to
walk
down
there.
You
know
folks
have
been
talking
about
Mount,
Pleasant,
High,
School
I,
put
it
on
Google
Google
Maps.
That's
a
10
minute,
walk!
AC
So,
just
again,
to
give
you
some
context,
so
I'm
going
to
reserve
some
more
comments
for
later,
but
but
I
want
to
say
a
couple
things.
This
is
an
easy
project
to
say
no
to
right.
We
got
people
calling
in.
We
have
all
these
problems,
it's
very
challenging
for
a
person
to
come
in
and
take
over
a
business
that
has
been
very
badly
run
and
clearly
the
the
liquor
store
that
was
there
before
was
badly
run,
had
problems
with
crime
had
problems
with
illegal
activity.
AC
That's
why
the
other
owner
lost
their
ABC
license
right
and
that's
why
the
police
department
initially
was
against
the
proposal
because
they
I
think
they
probably
thought
the
same.
Guy
was
trying
to
get
his
license
back
so
Mr
graywall
is
trying
to
start
up
a
convenience
store.
It's
not
a
liquor
store,
I
mean
that
would
be
like
calling
7-Eleven
a
liquor
store.
7-Eleven
is
a
convenience
store,
they
sell
food,
they
sell.
You
know
if
you
want
to
come
in
and
get
some
milk
or
some
eggs
or
a
loaf
of
bread
and
7-Eleven.
AC
Also
has
you
know
beer
and
wine
or
whatever?
So
that's
what
Mr
gruel
is
proposing
so
personally
I
I
I'm,
going
to
reserve
some
comments
for
later,
but
I
would
really
like
the
commission
to
look
at
this
with
a
open
mind
because
I
said,
as
I
said,
it's
very
uninitial
if,
on
the
initial
thought
process,
I
would
say
no
also
and
I
understand
the
concerns
that
have
been
expressed
by
the
folks
in
the
community
I
do
they
have
had
a
terrible
situation
there
with
the
previous
business
owner,
but
Mr
gruwall
is
not
that
person.
AC
B
Thank
you,
commissioner,
young,
and,
if
I
could
just
ask
a
further
clarification
about
crunchy
chicken.
My
understanding
is
that
their
business
model,
they
don't
operate
their
own
stores.
They
just
form
agreements
with
local
stores
to
sell
their
menus.
That
correct,
I
see
the
applicant
nodding.
Okay,
thank
you.
We'll
go
ahead
to
commissioner
Bickford.
AE
S
Yes,
ma'am.
First
of
all,
the
7-Eleven,
their
prices
are
too
high
that
right
now
I'm
not
doing
any
marketing
all
the
customers
they're
coming
like
kind
of
word
of
mouth
right,
because
their
prices
are
high.
They
come
here,
especially
for
Coke,
like
I
sell
quote
for
369,
that's
the
Avalon
sell
for
five
right.
Once
the
customer
come
here.
They
will
see
the
different
price
difference,
because
7-Eleven
model
is
different
right
because
there
are
two
parties.
One
is
seven:
one
is
the
owner
right,
so
their
profit
margin
has
to
be
like
50
means.
S
S
So
business-wise
number
one
number
two
that
7-Eleven
doesn't
take
an
EBT
cards.
This
area
is
heavily
with
the
EBT
cards
right,
I
am
getting
customers
with
EBT
cards
because
I'm
getting
like
they
come
and
buy
like
for
fifty
dollars.
Seventy
dollar
worth
of
groceries
right
because
7-Eleven
they
are
not
taking
EBT
cards,
they
have
no
other
place
either.
You
have
to
travel
because
they
come
and
complain
right,
like
especially
in
rainy
days
and
like
in
say
winter.
S
Some
people
do
not
have
car
rise,
so
they
have
to
just
go
on
the
foot
and
like
go
to
other
stores,
especially
like
foodmax
or
CVS,
and
one
more
thing
I
want
to
add.
Cvs
Plaza
I
think
it
might
close,
because
CVS
already
closed
right
and
then
this
big
Plaza
it
has
been
taken
by
Chinese
firm.
They
are
going
to
make
like
multi-family
multi-story
Apartments
over
there,
so
that
liquor
store
might
go,
I'm,
not
sure,
but
I
heard
actually
and
Food
4
Less
might
close.
Cbs
is
already
closed
because
who's
ever
released.
S
Canceling
they're
not
renewing
the
lease
for
that.
So
then
this
area
might
have
more
trouble
because
they
won't
have
anything
else.
They
have
to
travel
further.
You
know,
like
other
sides,
to
get
the
Basic
Essentials
right
like
say,
groceries
or
like
people
come
over
here.
They
familiar
they
just
come
from
the
apartment.
Just
come
here,
buy
milk
like,
say
anything
like
for
household
items
right
so
then
they
have
to
travel
like
the
other
side.
Okay,.
AE
AE
Thank
you,
I
have
one
more
question.
The
previous
ABC
permit
was
revoked
because
of
problems
in
the
area,
and
I
saw
that
that
one
of
your
ways
of
addressing
that
would
be
a
security
person
on
site,
which
also
is
also
additional
cost.
Are
you
worried
about
the
environment
and
what
could
happen
when
you
do
see
some
kind
of
a
problem?
What
contingencies
do
you
have
for
all
of
the
concerns
that
that
people
have
called
today
if
it
becomes
a
problem?
What's
your
answer.
S
I,
don't
see
a
problem
for
this
right
like
if
you
have
proper,
you
know
Majors
everything
like
right
now,
even
like
people,
they
come
for
cigarettes
right,
we
tell
them.
We
can't
sell
it.
We
want
to
see
your
ID
right
if
they're.
If
they
look
under
27,
we
need
to
see
your
ID
and
they
say
come
on
man
like
I.
Have
this
thing
maybe
tell
them
boss
just
for
two
dollars.
We
don't
know
where
to
go
to
jail
right
for
six
months
and
then
they
understand,
then
they
leave
right.
S
So
there's
a
way
of
saying
Columbia
like
a
how
to
tell
the
customer
right
like
why
we
can't
sell
it.
If
we
follow
our
rules,
there
won't
be
any
problems.
I
can
give
you
example
regarding
my
dentist.
First
Dennis
I
bought
was
in
Bremerton
like
it's
like
a
Northwest
of
Seattle
when
I
bought
it
it's
a
Navy
Yard.
All
the
Navy
ships
go
there
right,
so
people
thought
I'm,
crazy.
I
bought
Dennis
right
over
there.
So
right
now
you
can
check
that.
S
That's
like
one
of
the
best
tours
in
that
area,
even
at
that
time.
In
about
that,
tennis
in
2015
and
John
Miller,
the
CEO
at
that
10
CEO
called
us
to
Charlotte
to
our
headquarters
and
he
said
wow
wow.
What
has
you
guys
said
on
this
anomaly
right?
All
the
Dennis
is
in
Washington
were
going
downs
and
my
Dennis
were
going
up
because
we
were
following
rules.
S
We
invested
heavily,
we
turned
around
the
stores
and
then,
after
that,
slowly
slowly
we
started
getting
the
customers
back
and
my
GMS
used
to
send
videos
from
the
customers
and
saying
that
wow
wow,
it's
the
same
Dennis
that
used
to
be
earlier
so
I'm,
confident
over
here
too
I
can
do
kind
of
this
thing.
That's
like
I'm,
not
a
God,
but
I
can
try
my
best
on
my
side.
What
I
did
for
my
Genesis.
All
that
Dennis
is
about
to
close,
then
I
turn
them
around.
S
I
can
give
you
addresses
you
can
check
on
the
Google
or
like
one
is
in
Fairfield
and
on
right
on
80
on
Travis
Boulevard,
so
I'm,
confident
I
can
change.
Make
this
a
really
good
neighborhood
market.
D
Perfect,
thank
you.
I
appreciate
everyone's
comments
and
staff's
hard
work
on
preparing
this.
You
know
for
our
you
know
for
our
vote
question
for
staff
on
on
page
three
kind
of
going
off
of
the
square
footage
conversation
or
the
bottom
of
page.
Two
of
the
memo
of
the
staff
recommendation,
project
description.
D
It
says
1537
and
the
plan
set
I
think
it's
appendix
F
I'm
just
curious,
because
I
also
went
to
the
store
and
is
the
1537
the
whole
structure,
because
the
restaurant
shares
a
wall
and
it
is,
it
is
a
long
rectangle
structure,
I
wonder
if
the
1537
includes
the
the
store
have
and
then
the
second
question
is:
is
that
exterior
wall
to
exterior
wall
on
all
four
sides?
And
if
it
is
what
is
what's
the
square
footage
of
retail
space.
Q
Yeah,
so
the
the
1537
Square
foot
number
is
for
the
Fast
Mart
retail
store
the
total
square
footage
of
the
entire
building,
which
includes
the
restaurant,
is
2767
square
feet.
Q
So
it's
it's
roughly
half
of
of
the
existing
commercial
building,
the
the
square
footage
dedicated
to
retail
sales
I
think
the
applicant
can
can
give
an
estimation
on
on
that.
So
that
would
be
probably
subtracting.
You
know
the
counter
space
or
the
aisles
of
the
store.
S
R
D
And
this
is
just
the
basic
question,
but
I
don't
know
the
answer
to
the
4.9
percent
or
the
5
threshold.
Is
that
something
that-
and
this
is
for
staff
is
this-
is
that
five
percent
for
structural
square
footage
or
for
sellable
merchandise,
space?
Five
percent
of
that.
Q
Q
Five
percent
is
usually
our
our
average
when
we
impose
a
condition
that
that
limits.
You
know
any
expansion
in
the
future
right.
Q
So
so,
in
this
case,
it
would
include
it
would
take
into
account
the
1312
retail
area
that
that
Mr
Vince
stated
so
it
would
be
over
over
the
five
percent
for
the
75
divided
by
1
312.
I,
believe
that
is.
K
Commission
just
to
clarify
in
general,
we
usually
use
the
gross
floor
for
all
other
offsells,
including
the
exterior
of
the
wall,
to
calculate
it
just
account
for
that
there
could
be
reconfigurations
of
all
stores.
That's
our
general
practice,
so
in
this
case
that
4.9
percent
took
account
of
the
growth
of
the
overall
store
versus
the
amount
of
sales
area
that
they
currently
are
showing
on
their
plan
sets
that's
how
the
4.9
came
to
be.
D
Okay:
okay,
okay!
No
thank
you
for
that
Clarity
and
right
now
it
operates
8
A.M
to
8
p.m.
At
least
that's
what
I
saw
The
Proposal
is
for
it
to
go
to
7
A.M
to
11
30
p.m.
Is
that
is
that
is
that
correct.
J
R
To
get
a
little
bit
more
hours
in
closer
akin
to
other
Grocers
as
well:
okay,.
D
R
Oh
much
later
like,
for
example,
the
one
I
just
worked
on
on
Safeway
on
Berryessa.
They
end
up
closing
at
midnight
until
they
start.
D
Yeah
and
the
neighborhood,
where
in
let's
say
the
census
track
or.
R
I
didn't
do
that
research,
specifically
this
neighborhood
I,
just
did
it
Citywide
per
grocer
and
I
know
that
they
start
their
soft
closing
much
much
later
than
10
30.
and
we
would
start
at
10,
30.,
yeah,
okay,.
D
J
B
Thank
you,
commissioner.
Brosio
Vice
chair
knows
was.
O
S
Right
now
we
have
like
a
very
small
item
because
you
know
like
we
don't
have
much
traffic
over
there.
Yes,
we
do
have
like
essential
item.
Whatever
the
clients
they
ask,
we
ask
the
neighbors
right
whatever
you
need.
Let
us
know
we'll
bring
it
here,
so
we
are
adding
items
whatever
our
customers
are
asking,
because
vegetables
they're
good
only
for
two
three
days
right,
so
we
used
to
keep
it.
We
still
keep,
but
not
that
much,
but
whatever
the
clients
ask,
we
keep
it
over
there,
like
sandwiches,
all
those
kind
of
things.
S
Yes
produce
yes,
okay,
because
once
I
have
enough
traffic,
then
yes,
I.
Definitely
I
will
because
right
now,
I
just
get
like
EBT
customers
right
most
of
them.
They
are
like
a
they
buy
cane
food
or
they
will
buy
like
sandwiches.
They
buy
like
eggs
breads
those
kind
of
things.
Yes,
I,
keep
all
those
items.
O
S
S
Ma'am,
especially
inside
right
now,
it's
kind
of
cave
right
like
especially
at
night.
It
becomes
dark
right,
so
I
will
put
more
lights
and
I
want
to
move
the
refrigerator
to
the
other
side,
and
I
would
open
the
front
wall
so
that
when
customers
come
in,
they
feel
safe
right
so
that
even
like
Undercovers
or
anyone
they
want
to
come
and
sit
in
the
car
they
want
to
watch.
What's
going
on
inside,
they
can
see
right.
I
want
to
open
up
the
front
wall
towards
the
defense
side.
Yes,
yeah.
O
I
mean
this
is
a
tricky
situation,
because
there's
so
much
Community
opposition,
so
it
it
I
think
as
Community
Commissioners
up
here
it.
It
makes
it
challenging
you
right
to
listen
to
this
stuff,
but
you
know
so
I
I'm
wanting
to
hear
what
are
you
going
to
do
for
the
community
to
improve
right?
So
one
of
the
things?
Obviously,
safety
has
been
a
big
concern
for
the
community
and
I
saw
in
the
report
that
there
was
going
to
be
a
security
guard.
O
But
it's
it
seemed
like
even
the
security
was
on
a
certain
condition
of
10
10
people,
10
customers
and
it
looks
like
after
school
seems
to
be
the
biggest
issue.
Maybe
I
don't
know
when
the
students
get
out.
Maybe
at
three
o'clock.
So
tell
me
a
little
bit
about
your
plans
for
security
guard.
S
Yes,
ma'am.
Typically,
these
kind
of
stores,
like
we
don't
get
like
more
than
five
to
six
customers
at
a
time
like
yes,
after
school
time
there
might
be,
but
I
will
take
a
look
at
it
like.
If
we
get
more
customers,
then
we
definitely
have
to
increase
more
security
right.
It
will
happen
only
during
school
when
school
gets
off
around
like
3
P.M.
X
S
S
This
thing,
but
I
don't
know
for
some
reason,
like
everyone
was
scared
to
come
here
because
I,
don't
they
want
to
don't
want
to
come
in
public
or
something
there
was
something
going
on,
and
there
were
many
other
things
I
heard
regarding
my
neighboring
restaurants
or
no
restaurant,
like
other
business
businesses,
that
they
were
telling
people
and
go
and
oppose
because
that
might
decrease
their
sales
to
right,
because
our
prices
will
be
lot
better
than
theirs.
S
So
they
I
think
that
that's
what
I
heard
actually
I'm
not
don't
know
whether
it's
true
or
not,
but
regarding
the
position
I,
don't
know
what's
going
on,
but
definitely
every
day,
I
get
at
least
25
people
I
wish
I
had
a
like
ring
camera
installed
over
there
and
could
have
bought
Eclipse
over
here
and
shown
like
how
many
people
they
come
over
there
and
ask
for
different
items
every
day.
O
Yeah
I
mean
for
me:
it's
like
I
believe
that
you
will
improve
it,
that
you
will
significantly
improve
it.
I
mean.
Is
that
correct?
What
I'm
hearing
that
you
will
significantly
improve
the
exterior
and
create
more
safety?
Is
it
I
just
want
to
hear?
Is
that
correct?
Yes,.
S
Ma'am
I
can
give
you
three
city
names.
There
are
only
one
Dennis
in
those
three
cities:
Bremerton
Federal,
Way
and
Fairfield.
You
can
List
look
at
the
history
of
those
restaurants.
What
were
they
earlier?
What
are
those
now
you
can
search
in
Google
and
see
like
what
are
like
after
I
took
over
I
took
over
first
tennis
in
2015
I
invested
almost
250
000
in
that
restaurant
took
out.
S
Everything
is
told
me
you
and
slowly
like
we
started
giving
promotions
you
know
like
and
so
that
people
they
come
and
see
that
this
is
not
totally
different.
Restaurant
Under,
New
Management
right
and
gave
proper
training
and
whoever,
like
was
not
like.
Following
the
rules
we
used
to
like
decrease
the
hours
we
never
fired
anyone
we
used
to
reduce
their
hours.
You
know
so
that
they
used
to
leave
right
and
then
I
took
hours,
Federal,
Way
and
fearful.
We
did
same
thing
and
now
all
three
cities.
S
They
have
only
one
dentist
in
each
City
because,
like
Dennis,
they
give
you
right
for
the
city
right
and
you
can
search
up
and
see
the
history
like
how
they
turned
around
like
in
the
past
few
years.
O
S
O
S
Only
thing
it's
been
like
I'm,
a
broker
from
last
20
years
and
I
know
this
area
very,
very,
very
well.
My
kids
grew
up
in
this
area.
They
went
to
high
school
and
my
daughter,
like
she
isn't
working
in
VTA
as
like
she's,
a
kind
of
like
a
business
partner
in
Mountain
View
in
BTA,
my
wife.
She
works
in
like
DS
office.
My
son
he's
in
like
a
UCI
doing
computer
science,
so
I
know
they
say.
I
have
living
here
for
the
last
24
years
and
I
do
this
area.
S
East
Side
needs
a
lot
more
retail
shops
and
restaurants
that
not
even
single
day
Indian
restaurant
in
East,
Side,
I,
hope
you're
in
family
vegetarian.
You
won't
see
anything
where
they
can
go
and
sit
and
eat
so
I
want
to
Target
this
area.
I
want
to
bring
Denny's
or
like
cherries
kind
of
thing
in
that
area,
so
that
you
know
like
people
in
that
area
can
have
also
like
where
they
can
go
with
the
family
and
sit
and
eat.
That's
what
my
reason
is
to,
but
right
now
there's
nothing
to
open
those.
S
O
I
looked
at
the
photos
and
just
by
looking
at
it,
it
looked
a
bit
blighted
right,
so
I
mean,
of
course,
I
would
like
to
see
like
sidewalk
steam
cleaning
I'd
like
to
for
it
to
be
painted.
I'd
like
outdoor
plants.
I
mean
really
beautify
it,
because
when
something
is
clean,
it's
tends
to
be
more
safe
right,
and
so
those
are
just
my
comments
for
now
have.
S
So
people
they
come
over
there,
they
say
like
they
haven't
come
here
from
last
20
25
years,
and
they
have
not
seen
this
store
this
clean.
So
one
guy
came,
he
was
a
veteran
and
he
said
like
I
know
this
guy
might
be
a
military
guy.
I
said:
why
are
you
saying
this?
He
said
like
this
so
well:
organized
and
I
swear
to
God
I'm
not
telling
lie,
and
he
said
like
this
is
well
organized.
S
I
said
you
know,
like
he's,
not
a
military
guy,
but
he's
from
this
he
had
done
a
schooling
from
India
from
really
kind
of
military
school.
My
schooling
is
from
dehradun
like
in
one
of
the
best
schools
in
India,
so
I
know
like
how
to
like
run
a
business,
and
then
I
did
like
Dennis
Dennis
taught
me
really
good
regarding
business
like
cleanliness
and
how
to
present
her
brought
us
to
their
clients
and
have
to
take
care
of
your
clients
right.
So
customer
service
is
good.
S
You
can
give
same
answer
in
different
ways
right
without
like
upsetting
them.
So
that's
what
I
learned
and
that's
what
I'm,
using
here
to
like
build
good
rapper
with
my
customers.
You
know
yeah,
all
the
customers
who
come
here.
They
like
it
they're,
not
saying
some
customers.
They
come
from
five
six
times
a
day,
actually,
especially
from
the
apartment
next
door.
B
Thank
you
we'll
go
ahead,
looks
like
next.
I
have
commercial
oliverio.
N
Thank
you
chair,
commissioner
Young.
When
you
visited
the
site,
did
you
enter
the
store.
N
It
I
was
sort
of
hoping
you
did
because
that
had
been
just
great
to
clarify
and
confirm.
So
thank
you.
D
D
It's
like
a
seven
of
eleven
right,
it's
small.
It's
got
three
aisles.
It's
got
fridges
and
an
l,
a
restroom
counter
space,
but
the
counter
space
behind
is
pretty
bare.
It's
just
it's
just
counter.
You
know
a
couple
products
I
think
you
know
maybe
cigarettes,
and
you
know
maybe
some
21
and
over
pills
for
I
mean
I
caught
my
eye.
You
know
pink
pills
or
purple
pills
for
the
gentleman.
D
But
aside
from
that,
the
orientation
in
the
floor
plan
looks
like
it
may
be,
remodeled
right,
because
the
main
entrance,
where
the
counter
sits
on
I,
don't
know
if
we
can
bring
it
up.
I,
don't
know
if
the
technographer
can
bring
up
the
floor
plan
on
page
two
exhibit
f,
but
the
counter
right
now
is
at
the
entrance
and
exit,
but
in
the
floor
plan.
D
I
don't
know
if
this
is
a
proposed
floor
plan
that
counters
on
the
opposite
side,
where
the
restroom
is
and
I
don't
know
if
that's
typical,
but
in
terms
of
inside
it's
pretty
clean,
not
a
lot
of
traffic.
You
know
like
foot
traffic
I
was
the
only
one
and
but
I
do
agree,
and
everyone
can
take
a
look
in
exhibit
f
with
the
pictures
taken
by
staff.
D
The
exterior
does
have
bars,
it
does
the
the
parking
is,
it
does
have
designated
parking
spots,
but
you
know,
like
maybe
repaving
would
help
with
the
Aesthetics,
but
the
bars
definitely
do
send
a
message
and
the
graffiti
on
the
outside
do
send
a
message
of
okay.
Well,
you
know
like
this
is
this
is
a
neighborhood
shop
right,
but
in
terms
of
uplifting
its
appeal,
it
would
have
to
go.
D
P
Sure,
just
so
you
know
where,
where
I'm
coming
from
I
in
the
past
was
the
CEO
of
a
network
of
Public,
Health
Centers
and
our
offices
were
in
the
medical
buildings
that
you
mentioned
on
Norwood
and
white,
we
had
clinics
at
Mount,
Pleasant,
High,
School
and
the
corner
of
white
and
story,
and
then
also
story
Capital,
so
I'm
pretty
familiar
with
the
area
and
I
I
definitely
have
been
to
the
store
and
I
certainly
did
not
think
it
was
something
that
I
would
want.
P
and
so
I
understand
why
the
folks
are
calling
and
saying
we
don't
want.
We
don't
want
this
back
right,
so
it
seems,
like
you
said,
I,
don't
know
sort
of
an
easy
one
to
vote.
No
one
I
guess
you
said,
but
one
question
I
had
was
so
the
the
for
the
staff
who
said
that
they're
taking
steps
to
mitigate
or
to
ensure
that
there's
not
going
to
be
any
adverse
impact
on
the
surrounding
community.
P
But
it
seems
to
me
like
the
way
that
it
was
in
2017-2018.
There
was
certainly
adverse
impact
on
the
surrounding
Community
right
and
so
and
now
they're
saying
well
we're
going
to
put
in
a
security
guard.
If
there's
over
10
people
and
then
the
applicant
said,
there's
not
going
to
be
10
people
there.
So
I
guess
how
do
you,
when
you're
calculating
whether
or
not
something
they're
ensuring
that
there's
not
going
to
be
an
inverse
impact?
What
are
what
are
you
looking
at?
Is
there
like
a
rubric
or
how
does
that
work.
Q
Yeah
so
there's
there's
the
the
typical
security
guard
security
cameras
as
well
as
site
maintenance.
Those
are
all
conditions
in
this
in
this
permit
that
we
would
take
to
consider
for
support
of
that
that
there
would
know
there
would
not
be
any
adverse
impacts
to
the
surrounding
area.
Yeah.
P
Q
P
So
it
also
seems
like
it's
probably
pretty
good
business
deal
if
you're
going
to
buy
a
place
that
just
lost
its
liquor
license
because
it's
like
well,
we
don't
know
if
we're
gonna
get
one
back.
So
it's
kind
of
you
know
we're
taking
a
risk
here
and
buying
this
property
and
trying
because
I'm,
assuming
that
you
intended
to
sell
alcohol
there,
when
you
bought
the
property
to
eventually
be
able
to
right.
R
So
yeah
the
vision
was
essentially
to
a
grocer.
We
looked
around.
The
family,
like
the
tender
said,
has
been
in
the
neighborhood
before
they
knew
they
knew
what
was
lacking.
They
saw
an
opportunity
there
and
the
opportunity
was
this
grocery
store
with
the
adult
beverage
component?
That's
that's
what
we're
looking
for,
but
you
bring
up
an
interesting
point
there
in
terms
of
how
it
was
assessed
and
where
it
came
from
and
Cameron
is
right.
R
We
proposed
that
because
I
back
in
the
day
when
my
younger,
in
my
younger
days,
I,
was
also
representing
nightclubs
and
what
I
learned
in
working
with
the
police
department
and
working
with
the
nightclubs
is
once
you
start
getting
a
certain
number
of
people.
Security
is
it's
multi-tiered.
It
becomes
not
just
the
the
security
Personnel,
but
the
establishment
and
the
operational
plan
itself.
So
we
work
with
San,
Jose
police,
the
PDN
said:
okay,
look.
How
can
we
make
this
safer?
R
How
can
we
not
repeat
the
sins
of
the
past,
even
though
we're
more
than
likely
going
to
pay
for
them,
even
though
we
didn't
do
them,
but
we're
going
to
pay
for
the
sense
of
the
past,
like
you,
you
alluded
to
and
treating
it
like
it's
a
little
bit
of
a
nightclub
Overkill
in
terms
of
security.
That's
where
we're
coming
from
that's
what
we
were
the
ones
that
proposed
said:
hey
we'll
bring
security,
we'll
bring
cameras.
We
are
aware
of
the
bars.
R
P
R
P
K
Commissioner
also
wanted
to
clarify
that
the
previous
business
that
was
there
didn't
have
a
cup.
There
was
a
time
in
the
city
of
San
Jose
that
I'll,
sell,
liquor
and
bars,
and
other
establishment
did
not
have
to
get
a
permit
from
the
city
so
because
the
use
was
discontinued.
We
have
the
opportunity
to
issue
a
permit
and
put
conditions
in
it.
K
So,
in
addition
revoking
the
the
actual
ABC
license
that
we
can
potentially
also
revoke
the
cup
through
a
process
as
well
for
violations
of
any
of
the
conditions
or
any
of
the
terms
set
out.
Okay,.
J
AC
Thank
you,
chair,
so
I'm
going
to
try
to
make
an
argument
here
so
I
think
when
we
look
at
a
project,
what
I
try
to
do
is
say:
well,
let's
make
the
neighborhood
better
I
think
this
project
will
I'll
share
my
reasons
why
so
my
question
is:
would
the
neighborhood
benefit
from
another
place
to
buy
groceries?
Yes,
they
would
I,
don't
know
if
you've
had
occasion
to
go
to
7-Eleven,
but
they
charge
a
lot
of
money
for
I.
Try
I
have
one
near
my
house
and
it's
very
tempting
I.
AC
Try
not
to
go
there.
So
I'm
thinking
with
another
convenience
store
that
sold
groceries.
That
would
give
the
residents
another
option
a
place
to
go.
It
replaces
a
liquor
store
which
has
been
very
problematic
with
a
convenience
store
operated
by
an
individual
who
appears
to
have
deep
roots
in
the
community
and
business
experience.
AC
It
also
provides
a
fast
food
option
and
any
of
you
haven't
had
crunchy
chicken,
it's
great.
So
it's
it's
a
place
where
you
could
literally
go
and
hey
I
want
some
crunchy
chicken
for
dinner
right
and
so
so.
Here's
kind
of
what
I've
learned
on
this
commission
is
that
For,
Better
or
For
Worse,
the
sale
of
alcohol
is
profitable
and
it
helps
people
who
want
to
operate
food
stores
to
make
their
operating.
AC
You
know
profit
that
they
need,
and
you
know
it's
Mr
Gruwell
stated
in
order
to
get
the
crunchy
chicken
he
needs
to
have
fifty
nine
thousand
dollars
a
month
in
sales.
I
believe
so
you
know
there's
a
reason
why
Lucky's
in
Safeway
and
smart
and
final
all
sell
liquor
right.
AC
It's
part
of
the
business
model
for
better
or
worse
so
anyway,
like
you
know
where
I
come
down
on
this,
is
that
I
I
think
it
would
make
the
neighborhood
better
I
think
one
one
final
thing
that
Mr
Grewal
noted
his
letter
is
between
akola
and
Quimby
Road,
stretching
all
the
way
towards
the
hills.
There
is
not
a
single
retail
store
where
people
can
go
for
essential
items.
That's
true,
I
mean
I
drove
down
that
way.
AC
Today,
it's
it's
I
know
there
are
you
know,
I
know,
there's
a
Safeway
nearby,
that's
great!
If
you
have
a
car,
if
you
don't
have
a
car,
it's
kind
of
a
long
walk
to
Safeway
from
there,
so
so
anyway,
I'm
going
to
make
a
motion
that
we
approve
the
staff
recommendation
for
this
project.
Okay,.
B
Second
I
hear
a
motion
from
commissioner
young
to
approve
the
staff
recommendation
on
a
second
from
commissioner
Casey.
Okay,
I
still
have
hands
up
to
speaks
we'll
continue
discussion
before
we
consider
that
motion
commissioner
tordios.
G
So
I
did
have
a
couple
of
questions
for
the
applicant
I
noticed
that
well
everybody
noticed
that
there's
been
a
number
of
liquor
stores
there
in
the
last
20
years,
but
particularly
it
looks
like
it's
changed,
hands
or
storage
store.
Licensers
have
changed
hands
three
to
four
times
over
the
last
four
to
five
years
from
La
Vista
mini
market
to
Vista
Liquors
to
different
variations
of
that
name.
G
You
I
also
saw
that
the
ABC
license
applicant
was
changed
in
process
right.
It
was
one
app,
it
was
no,
it
was
the
Fast
Mart
Corporation
there
was
a
recent
change
in
in
ownership.
Is
that
is
that
accurate,
you're,
fast
smart
Incorporated?
G
According
to
the
SEC
California
Secretary
of
State,
there
was
a
change
in
in
the
statement
of
information
for
the
ownership
or
the.
S
Ownership
was
taken
by
Fast
Mart,
but
for
some
reason,
like
City
paperwork,
they
had
like
a
different
address.
I,
don't
know
from
Lost
Gators
and
I
sent
an
email
like
a
few
when
I
received
the
last
invoice.
So
everything
was
wrong
in
the
system.
I,
don't
know
how
it
there
was
an
error
regarding
that,
but
it
was
past
month
since
I
took
over
this
business.
G
S
Winners,
Northern
single
penny.
Nothing
previous,
like
those
owners,
are
totally
different
like
La
Vista
owners,
Mr,
Liquor,
I,
don't
even
know
who,
who
are
those
guys
before
that
I
have
no
idea,
like
anything.
I
had
no
any
kind
of
relations
with
them.
G
G
S
N
Commissioner,
young,
since
you
have
the
motion,
would
you
be
open
to
amending
the
motion
except
a
friendly
amendment,
to
limit
alcoholic
beverages
to
no
more
than
five
percent
of
floor
space?.
N
AC
I
would
not
I
I
I
I'm
really
concerned,
sometimes
on
this
commission
we
get
down
in
the
Weeds
on
operating
things
and
I.
I
would
not
support.
N
That
myself,
okay,
thank
you,
then
I
won't
bring
up
the
topic
of
40
answers
or
tall
boys
and
then
a
question
for
City
attorney
on
cups.
Can
they
be
time
limited
or
are
they
passage
of
the
cup
is
indefinite
or
can
you
say
come
back
in
one
year.
H
K
N
And
then,
if
the
would
it
be
in
the
purview,
or
has
it
ever
been
done
before
to
say
we're
granting
a
cup
and
in
one
year
we'd
like
planning
staff
to
just
give
a
verbal
update
at
a
Planning
Commission
meeting
one
year
from
now.
K
E
K
A
lot
of
condition
remember
but
I
mean
you
could
put
that
as
a
condition
and
we'll
try
to
make
sure
we
put
it
somewhere
or
the
other
to
try
to
provide
an
update,
yeah.
N
I
think
that
would
be
you
know,
listen
we're
trying
to
acknowledge
Community
concern
and
we're
I
think
we're
trying
to
do.
You
know
everyone's
doing
the
right
thing
to
what
they
feel
is
right,
but
and
being
that
they
can't
be
time
limited,
but
knowing
that
you
know
there's
decisions
that
commissions
have
made
in
the
past
and
they
get
no
update
and
they
have
no
idea.
N
If
what
has
is
how
it's
working
out
and
I
think
it
would
be
good
just
to
let
the
commission
that
who's
here
a
year
from
now
to
know
this
is
what
was
discussed.
Here's
the
reality.
It's
just
an
update,
you
know,
but
at
least
you
know,
so
we
start
to
have
a
track
record
of
responsibility.
K
I
would
also
want
a
recommendation
when
you
want
to
put
in
new
conditions.
I
would
also
generally
staff
likes
to
hear
that
the
applicant
agrees
to
those
conditions
as
well
before
you
guys
vote
on
it.
Let's
just
that.
N
Makes
a
lot
of
sense
yeah,
so
really
the
so
just
speaking
out
loud,
I
think
the
only
thing
that
we
would
want
the
applicant
to
agree
to
is
the
five
percent,
because
otherwise
you're
gonna,
assuming
the
maker
of
the
motion,
is
okay
with
an
a
verbal,
an
updated.
A
future
Planning
Commission
meeting
one
year
from
now
is:
is
that
okay
with
the
motion
and
the
seconder
great
and
will
the
applicant
please
come
up
to
the
microphone
and
say
whether
or
not
you
accept
the
five
percent
limitation
on
alcoholic
items.
N
That's
a
yes!
Yes,
okay,
great,
my
apologies,
so
thank
you
very
much
and
that's
all
I
have.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank.
S
B
B
All
right,
and
also
just
given
that's
a
year
out,
would
it
be
helpful
to
at
this
time
specifically
State,
like
what
information
we'd
like
to
get
in
that
update.
N
I
would
imagine
Fair
I
would
imagine
it
would
be
hey
here's.
What's
here's
how
it's
laid
out
today,
we
we
went
to
the
store,
we
observed
fresh
produce
or
we
didn't
observe
fresh
produce.
We
observed
milk
or
no
milk,
egg
or
I
mean
just
just
a
summary
of
what
you
see
as
the
product,
because
I
think
work.
N
The
concern
is,
is
that
is
this
truly
offering
an
assortment
of
an
assortment
of
products
closer
to
a
grocery
store
in
a
small
compact
setting,
and-
and
you
tell
me,
if
that's
like
fair
or
unfair,
would
you
spin
it
a
different
way?
What
do
you
think.
K
L
K
These
other
aspects
and
we'll
just
basically
see
they're
consistent
with
the
conditions
of
the
permit.
Okay,
that's
mainly
what
they're
going
to
be
looking
for
it'll.
B
All
right,
Vice,
chair
on
elsewise.
O
O
S
When
I
took
over
this
business
last
year,
I
was
losing
more
than
nine
thousand
dollars
per
month,
so
I
knew
that
I
can
like
turn
around
this
market,
and
then
you
know
like
I
used
to
like
ask
customers,
whoever
used
to
come
like
even
from
neighborhood
like
at
this
apartment.
There
are
55
Apartments
in
the
building
right,
so
they
never
used
to
come
to
this
store,
because
this
store
used
to
have
expired
items
right
and
I
used
to
throw
away
all
the
expired
items,
because
this
store
was
tagged
as
an
expired
item
store.
S
S
This
thing,
like
I,
can
make
this
a
really
good
neighborhood
market,
because
this
area
needs
a
market
because
right
now
there
are
two
server
levels
and
everyone
knows
like
what
their
prices
are
and
people
living
there
they're
on
EBT
some
people
they're
getting
just
200
some
people
they're
getting
300
even
right
now
people
they
come
and
get
credit
I
tell
them,
don't
worry
just
take
whatever
you
want,
especially
at
the
end
of
month.
Right
like
three
four
days:
a
sales
drop
right
because
CBD
people
they
don't
have
money
but
I
tell
them.
S
AF
So
we're
trying
to
hire
more
employees,
so
we
are
trying
to
train
them.
Tell
them,
then
whoever
buys
the
liquor
we
were.
We
will
tell
them
not
to
have
it
on
property
and
we
we
will
tell
them
to
check
on
the
parking
lot
if,
if
anyone's
having
the
liquor
on
the
property
so
like
in
the
night
time
we're
trying
to
hire
like
three
or
more
employees.
S
Security
guard
is
like
to
see
that
nobody
drinks
in
the
parking
lot.
You
know
like
because
I
don't
want
my
like
my
neighbors
to
get
hurt
right
because
they
have
small
kids.
So
they
want
this
tour
over
here,
but
they
also
know
without,
like
I,
can't
keep
on
putting
money
forever
in
this
store
right,
so
I
have
been
putting
a
lot
of
money
every
month
and
I'm
losing
money
still
live.
You
won't
find
anything
like
expired
like
because
I
trained
my
employees
keep
everything
fresh
over
here.
S
I
want
to
gain
the
trust
of
the
people
here
right
so
right
now
we
are
growing
day
by
day.
I
I
forgot
to
bring
my
slide
like
my
how
I
was
putting
a
lot
of
money
now
last
month,
I
just
put
like
around
3
500
dollars
from
like
95
from
the
day
I
took
over
the
store,
so
I'm
trying
my
best
to
go
in
right
direction
to
make
it
really
good
neighborhood
market,
so
that
people
can
like
feel
proud
of
that.
S
There's
a
market
in
this
thing
and
they
have
to
just
give
me
one
chance
and
see
what
I
can
do.
That's
what
I
did
for
my
dentist
is
and
I
want
to
buy.
The
grace
of
God
I
will
make
this
really
good
store,
and
this
can
this
can
be
a
role
model
for
other
stores.
Also
right
now
you
go
to
any
store.
You
will
see
like
dirty.
S
O
S
D
Perfect,
thank
you
question.
In
terms
of
terminology,
we're
throwing
around
convenience
store
liquor,
store
grocery
store.
Q
D
Okay,
perfect
Okay,
so
other
than
the
five
percent
right
that
looks
like
has
been,
has
been
accepted.
D
Is
there
some
sort
of
percentage
or
some
is
something
to
be
said
around?
You
know,
x,
amount
of
dairy
x
amount
of
produce
x
amount
of
meat?
Is
there
or
is
that
just
off
of
what
the
owner
is
willing
to
put
out
on
the
floor.
D
K
I
would
probably
be
careful
specifically
specifying
it,
since
the
definition
comes
from
the
general
plan
that
says
such
as
so
I
wouldn't
say
they
had
to
have
this
this
and
that
I.
We
definitely
want
to
give
the
owner
probably
the
possibility
to
give
what
they
can
provide
to
the
community
in
terms
of
what
they
need.
But
we
say
we
based
on
their
operation.
We
say
they
provide
services
like
a
grocery
stores,
where
the
assumptions.
D
Are
great
yeah
egg
flour,
bread,
stereotypical
stuff,
yep
yeah?
So
if
we
don't
see
pickles,
you
know
we
won't
ding
them
right.
You
know
like
a
year
from
now
type
of
thing
right,
but
if
they
have
a
general
sense
of
okay,
you
know
I
got
I
got
you
know,
I'm
short
on
this
right
and
I
have
a
barbecue
I.
Have
you
know
50
people
coming?
Let
me
just
go
down
and
get
a
B
and
C.
D
Ideally,
they
would
have
a
b
and
maybe
a
knockoff
C
right.
You
know
just
because
I
said:
there's
a
storm,
you
know
they
may
not
have
everything.
The
second
question
is
so
the
applicant
applied
in
January,
but
it
got
turned
down
correct.
Q
D
Q
D
C
D
Okay
and
just
curious
like
while
I
was
at
the
store
and
another
curious
note.
Some
of
the
items
didn't
have
prices
like
the
coffee,
the
soap,
but
some
did
like
the
binder
paper
and
I'm
just
curious.
What
and
there
wasn't
you
know
like
299
or
anything
on
on
the
on
the
edge
of
the
shelf
and
I.
Just
wonder
why
that
was
why
some
items
had
price
items.
Why
some
items
didn't
have
price
items.
S
He
said
that's
true
like
some
of
the
items
they
don't
have
price
most
of
the
convenience
store
like
they
don't
have
price
they
put
scan.
We
don't
like
the
ring
anything.
Everything
goes
through.
The
scan,
I
think
you
might
have
bought
something
from
there,
so
it
goes
through
scan
right,
like
you
can't
punch
in
you,
can't
change
the
price
with
the
customer.
So,
yes,
we
are
planning
to
put
prices
also
because
we
are
planning
to
remodel
this
whole
store.
S
Once
we
get
like
a
expand
our
products,
because
we
want
to
change
everything
right,
the
you
want
to
open
the
front
wall,
you
want
to
move
the
cooler
other
side,
so
that
was
the
reason
like
there
are
still
many
items
which
don't
have
the
prices
right
now,
but
everything
is
scannable
everything
all
the
items
are
in
the
system.
You
can't
discriminate
or
like
put
different
prices,
because
the
system
doesn't
allow
that,
because
once
you
scan
it
you
can
you
can
input
the
number
of.
D
Course,
but
the
customer
would
have
to
get
the
items
go
to
the
counter
and
say:
how
much
is
this?
How
much
is
this?
How
much
is
this?
Because,
although
it's
not
on
the
on
the
Shelf,
because
you're
right,
you
may
want
to
refresh.
S
Yeah
you
did
ask
like
the
clerk,
they
know
everything
you
know.
We
know
the
prices
because
we
don't
have
like.
We
have
just
500,
plus
items
right
now,
I
think
five
to
six
hundred
items.
That's
it
because
we
are
increasing
on
the
Demand
right.
Whatever
the
customers
are
asking,
because
most
of
the
items
are
expired
items
right,
they
have
shelf
life
of
two
three
months,
that's
it
and
after
that
we
have
to
throw
it
away.
We
can
sell
it
to
the
public
right
to
the
customer
right.
S
D
D
S
To
all
those
people,
I
think
you
know
like
whoever's
living
in
the
close
proximity
of
this
tour.
I
haven't
seen
even
a
single
person
like
who's
opposing
the
store
because
they
are
liking
this
they
come
over
there
and
I.
Don't
know
where
this
Mount
Pleasant
Association
located
like
Mount
Pleasant.
It's
not
close
to
the
store
right.
People
who
are
being
affected
is
like
living
within
like
people
who
come
there
walk
over
there
like
many
people,
they
come
with
EBT
cards
right.
S
They
are
in
favor
of
getting
this
thing,
but
I
can
assure
to
the
association
that
I
will
try
my
best
to
make
this
tour
as
a
really
good
neighborhood
market,
so
that
they
can
feel
proud
that
okay,
they
have
this
Market
this
area
and
neighborhood.
They
should
think
about
the
people
right
because
they
will
have
more
options.
The
people
live
over
there
right
now.
S
There
are
two
7-Elevens:
they
have
nowhere
to
go
right,
all
schools
they
get
out
of
care,
they
go
to
seven,
they
eat
pizza
over
there
they
eat
like
wings,
and
those
kind
of
things
like
everything
is
overpriced
right.
But
if
I
get
this
chance,
like
I,
want
to
bring
everything,
I
want
to
create
a
healthy
competition
so
that
the
public
gets
benefited
from
the
corporation
right.
That's
my
message:
through
the
association.
This
should
give
me
one
chance
so
that
we
can
help
the
public
over
there
right.
D
Thank
you
and
and
I
appreciate
your
your
effort
to
bring
that
to
the
community,
bring
accessibility,
convenience,
lower
prices
right
I
do
agree
that
you
know
having
a
a
monopoly
of
a
community
is
in
is
in
the
best
sessions
of
the
community
right
you
want
to
have
some
competition,
so
at
least
you
know,
there's
a
little
price
War
right,
you
know
on
on
items,
so
I
do
appreciate
that
I.
S
G
D
Hold
on
go
ahead,
okay,
so
with
all
this
said,
if
this
could
be
Revisited,
which
it
sounds
like
there's,
probably
a
12
month
or
24
month,
appeal
or
maybe
a
shorter
timeline
if
it
goes
up
to
city
council.
D
What
I'm
in
favor
of
is
it's
unfortunate
that
the
target
community
that
you
want
to
improve,
there's
a
percentage
that
have
been
vocal
today
and
for
some
reason
they
feel
that
they're,
that
that's
not
enough
that
there's
a
disconnect
there's
a
disconnect
between
the
proposal
and
and
the
current
reality
right,
especially
from
a
neighbor.
D
You
share
a
wall
right
with
someone
who
is
disapproving
this
sure
I
don't
want
to
engage
too
long
on
this
item,
but
I
think
in
the
spirit
of
not
locking
Us
in
because
even
in
a
year
review
it's
just
going
to
be
an
update.
We
won't
be
able
to
retract
or
re-vote
is
just
going
to
be
an
update
and
unfortunately,
I
would
want
us
to
just
vote
on
the
hope.
I
want
us
to
vote
on
something
that
I
think
the
community
agrees
with
I.
Don't
think
one
Community
member
came
out
in
favor.
D
It
was
so
that
not
that
they
don't
exist,
but
they
didn't
come
out
right.
They
didn't
write
a
letter,
obviously
the
applicant,
the
business
due
diligence.
You
know
you
clean
up
the
police
report.
Obviously
you
hooked
up
with
an
applicant
that
has
done
this
before
so
they
know
their
way
around
these
things,
but
unfortunately,
I
think
I'm
stuck
right.
I
would
love
for
more
Community
engagement.
I
would
love
for
more
happy
campers
in
the
community
and
right
now
at
least
today:
I'm
not
seeing
it
so
I
will
be
voting.
D
You
know
on
this,
but
I
really
appreciate
it.
I
think
you
can
get
there.
Let's
see
how
this
pans
out.
Thank
you.
AC
B
AC
AE
Thank
you,
a
question
for
staff.
Actually,
I've
heard
all
the
community
concerns
and
we've
talked
about
getting
some
form
of
evaluation.
Should
we
decide
to
approve
this?
One
of
the
big
concerns
was
police
activity.
AE
The
police
originally
said
no,
and
then
they
came
back
after
conversation
and
said:
they're
neutral,
that's
not
a
resounding
yes
to
me
and
I'm
wondering
what
if
any
I
mean
I
know
that
ABC
has
a
whole
set
of
things
that
they
can
do
if,
if
there's
a
failure
to
perform
diligence,
but
the
police
department
really
is:
are
the
ones
that
sort
of
paid
this
price
if
the
the
owner
doesn't
do
their
job
and
I'm
wondering
if
there
is
any
evaluation
that
happens
regularly
after
after
any
approval
of
such
thing,
where
the
police
are
monitoring
or
something?
Q
There
there
is
not
and
then
to
respond
to
your
comment
earlier
about
the
police
department,
changing
their
stance
from
being
opposed
to
now
neutral.
The
police
department
typically
does
not
say
that
they
do
are
support,
or
you
know,
are
in
favor.
They
only
have
the
you
know.
It's
either
opposed
or
neutral.
K
Also
to
clarify
where
they
do
apply
for
the
ABC
license,
it
has
had
to
go
to
do
the
police
department.
So,
as
commissioner
oliveiro
said
earlier
about
the
40
ounce
condition,
that's
not
our
Authority.
However,
if
the
police
department
feels
the
best
interest,
is
you
can
only
sell
six
bottles?
No
singles
no
40s.
They
have
the
Liberty
to
coordinate
with
the
ABCs
to
put
those
specific
conditions
on
there.
K
B
If
I
could
just
follow
up,
because
I
think
this
was
kind
of
in
commissioner
Bickford's
question,
what
is
the
enforcement
mechanism
like
for
compliance
with
a
conditional
use?
Permit,
like
can
does
a
member
of
the
public
have
to
file
a
complaint,
or
does
the
city
do
regular
reviews?
How
does
that
work.
K
So
in
general
we
have
a
conditional
use
permit
that
has
a
set
of
conditions
in
terms
of
doing
that,
it
would
go
through
our
normal
code
enforcement
department,
where
we,
of
course,
would
give
the
opportunity
to
rectify
those
issues
in
a
certain
amount
of
time
if
they
aren't
able
to
meet
those
conditions-
or
you
know
those
things
that
we
laid
out.
Hey
address
this
issue
within
12
months
or
do
something
in
terms
of
doing
that.
We
have
the
authority
to
take
it
back
to
the
Planning
Commission
and
revoke
their
permits.
K
B
And
I
didn't
know
that
if
it
came
back
like
actually,
we
would
consider
in
that
case
I
didn't
know
that.
But
commissioner
Rosario
I
have
you
next.
R
Were
talks
yeah
with
not
with
the
association
itself,
just
with
the
neighborhood
Mount
Pleasant
neighborhood
yeah.
P
U
So
the
reason
why
I'd
asked
at
the
outset
whether
or
not
this
proposal
fit
the
definition
of
a
grocery
store
is
because
the
opposition
was
to
a
liquor
store.
So
there's
a
disconnect
here.
So
if
we're
going
to
placate
a
group
of
folks
who
are
in
opposition
to
a
liquor
store,
then
we've
missed
the
plot
here.
These
folks
are
not
running
a
liquor
store,
so
they
acknowledge
and
to
bow
down
and
to
deny
these
folks
the
opportunity
to
run
a
grocery
store
based
on
Focus
opposition
to
a
liquor
store
seems
off
to
me.
Q
The
interior
next,
this
is
condition
5c,
the
interior
and
exterior
of
the
retail
store
shall
be
monitored
at
all
times
by
security
personnel
and
video
surveillance
cameras,
all
security
camera.
Video
footage
will
be
retained
for
30
days
in
the
event
that
an
incident
needs
a
review
by
security,
Personnel
or
the
police.
B
Okay,
I
don't
see
any
more
hands
up.
So
if
there's
no
further
discussion
on
the
commission,
we
can
consider
the
motion
just
as
a
reminder.
We
have
a
motion
to
approve
the
staff
recommendation
which
would
approve
the
permit
with
two
additions.
One
is
that
the
alcohol
sales
would
be
restricted
to
five
percent
of
the
retail
space
and
that
staff
would
give
us
an
update
in
a
year's
time
about
the
applicant's
compliance
with
the
conditional
use
permit
and
and
just
to
be
clear.
That
would
just
be
an
update.
It
wouldn't
be
actionable
on
our
part.
B
So
that's
the
end
of
our
discussion,
we'll
go
to
a
roll
call.
Vote
on
this
item.
Yeah
sure
go
ahead,
commissioner
maker.
N
Of
the
motion,
when
we
have
this
report
come
back
in
a
year,
can
it
also
include
if
they're
as
Cameron,
is
doing
this
fantastic
job
or
whoever
else
is
doing
this
visit?
Could
they
also
share
at
the
time
with
that
commission
if
there
are
any
incidents
of
police
reports,
I
think
that
would
be
an
important
thing
for
that
commission
to
know
at
that
time
is
that,
okay
for
the
maker
of
the
motion.
AC
So,
okay,
again
I'm
a
little
confused
and
again
I
I'm,
very
concerned
that,
as
a
commission,
we're
getting
into
the
weeds
of
a
lot
of
this
stuff,
I
don't
want
to
tie
staff's
hands
on
what
their
update
is.
I
think
we
should
just
ask
for
an
update
whether
the
project
is
meeting
the
conditions
of
the
conditional
use
permit.
That's
it.
N
Okay-
and
let
me
just
ask
staff
if
I
didn't
say
anything,
and
you
were
you-
were
thinking
about
this
in
your
head
about
giving
this
update
in
a
year.
Would
you
think
it
would
be
natural
for
you
to
include
that
data
or
based
on
the
prior
Direction?
It
was
more
about
what
the
store
looked
like
and
what
they
were
selling.
K
Stafford
predominantly
be
looking
at
the
conditions,
most
likely.
Of
course,
if
you
know
the
item
would
be
agendized
to
be
an
update,
so
the
community
clearly
point
out
hey
by
the
way.
There's
been
a
lot
of
other
of
crime
in
those
incidents
and
putting
the
staff
staff
are
definitely
included
as
part
of
the
update,
but
I,
don't
think
I
would
have
honestly
gone
on
to
ask
police.
What's
the
last
incident,
that's
happened
on
there
we
probably
would
have
concentrated
other
conditions
of
the
permit.
N
Understood
yeah,
just
thinking
if
you
know,
if
that
future
commission
was
looking
for
an
update
to
make
sure
it
was
retaining
true,
true
groceries
for
the
community.
At
the
same
time,
if
there
was
one
incident
or
X
number,
it
would
just
be
good
to
know,
but
I
just
wanted
to
offer
it
as
a
suggestion.
N
I
think
you
know
what
we're
doing
is
we're
vetting
a
fairly
controversial
application
at
the
Planning
Commission,
knowing
full
well
that
it
is
probably
going
to
be
appealed
to
the
city,
council
and
so
I
think
what
we're
vetting
all
the
various
topics
that
they
may
take,
as
the
elected
representatives
and
I
think
we're
inherently
making
their
job
a
little
bit
easier,
because
we're
asking
a
lot
of
the
questions
that
they'll
have
a
summary
of
that.
So
that
was
where
my
questioning
was
I.
Appreciate
the
feedback,
though
thank
you.
B
O
This
is
a
tough
decision
to
make,
but
I
believe
that
you
could
make
the
community
better
and
I
believe
in
good
faith
that
that
you,
you
will
so
on.
My
vote
is
yes.
AE
B
Okay,
I
also
just
want
to
gently
remind
folks
that
roll
club-
we
usually
just
give
a
vote.
Commissioner
Cantrell
is
absent.
Commissioner
Casey.
U
N
U
AD
B
L
B
All
right
item,
seven
good
and
Welfare
item
a
is
report
from
city
council.
Do
we
have
a
report.
B
L
B
L
Do
have
that
all
right!
Okay,.
L
L
2023
we
submitted
our
draft
at
the
end
of
September
of
last
year,
got
our
comments
back
from
hcd
and
I
think
it
was
December
6th
and
we
work
with
them
on
those
comments
over
a
period
of
about
I
think,
five
months,
five
or
six
months
we
went
to
city
council
this
year
on
June
20th,
the
city
council
approved
the
housing
element
and
made
a
finding
that
it
substantially
compliant
housing
element.
L
L
Wanting
more
detail
more
analysis,
more
connecting
of
the
dots
that
how
we
got
to
our
conclusions,
they
wanted
more
clarification
and
more
justification
on
some
elements
of
our
site
inventory.
L
They
also
said
that
you
know
they
acknowledged
the
letters
that
we've
gotten
from
individuals
and
advocacy
groups.
We
think
we
got
17
or
18
ladders
or
they
got
we
and
they
got
hcd
got
17
and
18
letters
on
the
housing
element
and
they
they
acknowledge
those.
Some
of
their
comments
were
reflective
of
the
letters
that
were
received
and
requested
that
we
connect
with
many
with
these.
L
The
the
people
that
wrote
letters
and
I
I
would
say
that
there
are
sort
of
three
General
comments
that
we
receive
there's
a
lot
of
different
comments,
but
the
letters
kind
of
a
lot
of
people
were
upset
about
Copa.
That
was
the
most
common
comment
that
we
heard
the
Copa
was
in
the
draft
housing
element
and
the
council
requested
or
told
us
to
take
it
out.
L
There
were
comments
on
the
site,
inventory
methodology,
and
there
were
comments
on
just
about
the
number
of
programs
that
we
have
in
their
suggestions
on
those
and
they're.
Also
I
think
was
frustration
that
staff
had
been
really
had
gone
into
a
period
of
I,
wouldn't
say
silence,
but
once
we
got
the
comments
from
hcd,
although
we
did
post
the
drafts
to
the
website,
there
wasn't
a
lot
of
public
dialogue
about
the
the
Amendments
or
changes
we're
making
a
based
on
hcd
comments.
L
So
we
received
the
letter
on
August
28th.
What
we've
been
doing
is
working
with
our
reviewer.
We've
met
with
them
twice
already.
We
have
two
more
meetings
scheduled
and
we're
walking
through
their
comments
to
address
their
changes
on
on
yeah
address
their
changes
that
they
have
in
the
letter
and
their
comments
in
the
letter
and
we've
also
been
meeting
with
a
lot
of
the
people
that
sent
in
letters
we're
scheduling,
meeting
with
everybody
who's
interested.
L
Actually,
we
met
with
a
group
of
individuals
yesterday
included
housing,
Action
Coalition,
Greenbelt,
Alliance,
California
yigbee,
the
Silicon
Valley
at
home
kind
of
walking
through
their
comments,
they've
actually
provided
us
with
a
red
line
document
and
so
we're
in
the
process
of
walking
through
those
with
them
and
talking
about
their
suggested
changes.
We
had
a
meeting
with
them
yesterday,
as
I
said,
we
have
another
meeting
with
them
tomorrow
morning.
Eight
o'clock
and
anticipate
we'll
have
another
meeting
with
them
coming
up.
L
We
met
with
Commissioners
trudeo
and
Martin
law
as
well
yesterday,
talking
about
mainly
about
the
site
inventory
and
the
feedback.
We
got
on
that
and
sort
of
talk
and
talking
through
how
we're
going
to
sort
of
beat
that
up
and
make
some
changes
and
on
our
analysis
and
based
on
the
the
comments
that
we've
received
so
that
that's
we're
still
doing
it.
I
just
want
to
say
a
lot
of
this
work
is,
is
still
we're
in
the
process
of
doing
that.
L
There
is
also
a
meeting
scheduled
next
week
with
a
lot
of
the
with
the
commoners
who
are
really
concerned
about
anti-displacement
policies,
particularly
in
the
light
of
Copa
Council,
not
moving
forward
with
that.
So
much
of
our
work
right
now
is
really
one
is
working
with
our
hcd
reviewer
and
two
really
connecting
with
the
people
that
and
individuals
and
groups
that
had
comments
on
the
letter
on
the
excuse
me
on
the
element
and
how
we
can
sort
of
you
know
talk
talk
to
them
about
how
we
might
modify
the
document.
L
There's
a
couple
things
I
should
mention
in
that
is
you
know
for
the
most
part,
what
we're
seeing
is
the
comments
from
hcd
are
more
technical
in
nature,
adding
requesting
more
clarification,
more
justification,
tying
the
providing
the
breadcrumbs
to
a
clear
conclusion.
L
So
we
don't
at
this
time
feel
that
we
we
need
to
go
back
to
Planning,
Commission
and
city
council.
We've
not
been
given
direction
to
do
that
by
the
city,
council
and
and
I
think
one
of
the
reasons
so
I
think
Keith.
So
one
of
the
issues
I
think
that
we
that
that
we're
very
aware
of
and
I
want
to
make
the
commission
aware
of,
is
the
implication
of
not
having
a
housing
element
certified
by
December
31st.
L
So
that's
really
a
driver
of
why
we're
trying
to
get
this
done
relatively
quickly
and
it's
that
on
December
31st,
if
we
need
to
have
a
certified
housing
element
from
the
state
of
California
in
order
to
be
awarded
the
50
order
to
be
awarded
59
million
dollars
that
we've
received
preliminarily
from
MTC
through
the
obag
grant
program.
That
grant
program
is
primarily
going
to
fund
bicycle
and
pedestrian
safety
improvements
in
East,
San,
Jose
and
to
lesser
extent,
in
Downtown,
San
Jose.
So
we're
really
concerned
about
potentially
losing
that
money.
L
So
that's
really
sort
of
the
the
eye.
The
prize
that
we're
trying
to
keep
keep
focused
on
So.
The
plan
at
this
point
is
to
wrap
up
working
with
the
various
stakeholders
and
hcd
to
complete
the
draft
document
in
at
the
end
of
December
or
the
third
week
of
December
posted
for
a
review,
seven
day
review
and
then
get
it
to
hcd
for
their
review
by
Halloween.
L
That
will
get
us
ensure
that
they
have
their
full
60
days
to
respond
to
us
before
December
31st.
So
that's
our
game
plan
and
with
that
we
can
open
it
up
for
questions.
Michael.
L
B
AD
Yeah,
thank
you,
chair
and
I
realize
that
it
is
getting
late.
I
have
several
questions,
but
I
will
be
try
to
be
quick
here.
So
first
I
want
to
start
off
by
thanking
staff
for
the
continued
work
here.
I
know
this
is
a
you
know,
high
stakes
and
time
sensitive
project.
So
we
appreciate
all
of
your
efforts
here.
AD
I
also
preach
appreciate
the
proactive
Outreach
you
are
doing
to
all
of
the
various
stakeholders
and
from
our
meeting
yesterday,
I
see
a
lot
of
good
work
happening
here
to
address
a
lot
of
the
concerns
that
I
previously
raised.
Particularly
around
these
sites.
Inventory
methodology,
auditing
of
pipeline
projects
and
potential
acceleration
of
programs
like
P35
the
small
multi-family
housing
policy.
AD
Arena
allocation
ab1397
has
a
higher
standard
wherein
they
say
that
the
city
has
to
provide
substantial
evidence
that
the
use
is
likely
to
be
discontinued
during
the
planning
period.
So
from
our
discussion
yesterday,
I
recognize
that
staff
is
planning
on
updating
and
clarifying
some
methodology
in
terms
of
how
non-vegan
sites
were
selected,
but
I
feel,
like
that's
substantial
evidence
that
use
will
be
discontinued,
is
a
fairly
High
barred
clear
in
ab1397.
AD
AD
Specifically,
how
staff
is
planning
on
addressing
the
specific
requirements
of
substantial
evidence
that
the
use
is
likely
to
be
discontinued
within
the
planning
period
for
non-vegan
sites
pursuant
to
ab1397?
And
if
is
there
any
fear
that,
if
the
city
does
not
address
that
concern
sufficiently,
that
hcd
might
reject
the
next
draft
as
well.
AH
Least
sure,
good
evening,
Jared
Ferguson
a
principal
planner
with
planning
building
and
code
enforcement.
AH
So
you
know
I
kind
of
continuing
some
of
our
conversation,
I
think
you
know
we
talked
about
adding
an
additional
discount
to
the
capacity
to
allow
a
little
bit
more
for
the
fact
that
you
know
certain
non-vacant
sites
might
not
develop
and
we're
still
looking
at
that
I
think
that's
definitely
a
possibility
of
something
that
we
could
include
and
then
I
think
also.
AH
You
know
expanding
our
analysis
of
the
sites
that
we
we
did
select
to
look
a
little
bit
more
about
some
of
the
data
around
them,
such
as
number
of
employees
on
the
site,
the
age
of
the
building,
explaining
some
of
our
site
selection
methodology
and
how
that
went
into
our
determination
of
why.
We
think
that
the
the
current
use,
and
even
though
it's
non-vacant
there
still
is
a
higher
likelihood
that
it
will
redevelop
in
the
next
planning
period.
AH
Those
are
some
of
the
things
we're
going
to
to
kind
of
better
explain
and
then
also
expand
upon
and
do
some
additional
analysis
on
so
I
mean
there's
always
a
chance
that
they'll
say
no
to
us,
but
I
mean
we're
going
to
keep.
You
know
trying
to
to
do
the
extra
work
and
provide
that
analysis
to
try
to
respond
to
the
the
concerns
that
they
haven't
expressed
and
that
you're
expressing
as
well
so.
AD
Oh,
thank
you
for
those
additional
details.
Yeah
I
think
my
primary
concern
is
just
again
that
that
bar
set
by
ab1397
is
so
high.
So
in
preparation
for
this
meeting,
I
looked
at
what
some
other
large
cities
in
California
have
done
to.
Actually,
you
know
demonstrate
compliance
with
ab1397
I
looked
at
LA's
housing
element
in
particular,
though
I
believe
San
Francisco
used
a
similar
methodology
wherein
they
created
a
regression
model
for
all
of
the
parcels
within
the
city
that
were
zoned
to
allow
residential
development.
AD
The
model
kind
of
was
trying
to
predict
two
different
things:
one,
whether
a
property
was
likely
to
be
redeveloped
within
the
next
eight
years
and
then
two
if
it
is
redeveloped
how
many
units
are
likely
to
actually
end
up
on
that
parcel.
So
from
my
understanding
of
San
Jose's
current
methodology,
it
kind
of
seems
like
we
are
primarily
focused
on
that
second
question
of
how
many
units
might
end
up
being
on
these
sites
if
they
are
to
be
redeveloped
and
less
on
that.
AD
You
know
first
part
of
the
question
of
how
many
of
these
sites
are
actually
likely
to
be
redeveloped
when
that,
within
that
eight
year
period
and
I
think
that
this
is
important
because
they
kind
of
result
in
dramatically
different
outcomes
in
terms
of
the
actual
way
that
you
evaluate
the
overall
capacity
of
the
site
inventory.
So
looking
at
LA's
element
again
as
an
example,
I
was
looking
through
it
earlier
today
and
they
identify
198
000
plus
total
Parcels
in
their
our
sites
inventory.
AD
But
across
that
entire
site
inventory,
they
forecast
an
average
realistic
development
potential
of
less
than
0.22
units
per
site.
So
you
you
can
see
there
that
the
discounts
that
La
is
applying
kind
of
in
their
methodology
are
very
significant.
Now
I,
obviously
understand
we're
working
on
tight
timelines
here.
I.
Don't
expect
that
San
Jose
can
you
know,
rework
their
entire
methodology
in
terms
of
how
we
do
Capacity
Analysis
for
non-vegan
sites,
but
I
think
that
we
could
potentially
approximate.
AD
You
know
the
sorts
of
solutions
that
LA
and
San
Francisco
used
by
applying
a
fairly
heavy
discount
Factor
on
vacant
sites,
and
that
could
also
you
know,
give
some
ammunition
to
go
back
to
hcd
and
say
that
you
know
we
are
really
making
an
Earnest
effort
here
to
comply
with
the
requirements
of
ab1397.
So
I
guess,
good
staff
speak
a
little
bit
to
the
feasibility
and
willingness
to
kind
of
look
at
fairly
aggressive
discount
factors
for
non-vegan
sites.
AH
AH
You
know
we
have
a
buffer
in
our
in
our
number
of
sites,
but
I
think
to
provide
a
discount
of
that
level
of
you
know
it
would.
It
would
significantly
reduce
the
capacity
that
we're
showing
and
we
would
need
to
add
additional
sites
to
the
inventory
in
order
to
to
show
the
capacity
of
the
62
000
units
I.
AH
Think
just
you
know,
in
some
of
our
initial
site
selection
methodology
I
think
we
were
trying
to
based
on
our
historical
experience,
select
sites
that
we
think
had
a
high
likelihood
of
discontinuing
the
current
use
and
redevelop.
So
that's
where
again,
we
looked
at
building
age.
We
looked
at
were
there
recent
and
within
the
last
eight
years,
where
they're
building
permits
issued
even
for
for
any
new
construction
modifications
to
the
building
so
indicating
whether
or
not
there
was
any
investment
in
the
building.
AH
So
those
are
some
factors
that
we
think
you
know
are
are
lead
to.
You
know
potential
for
redevelopment
in
the
future
and
then
I
think
you
know.
In
our
current
analysis,
what
we
tried
to
show
and
look
at
is
that
you
know
a
lot
of
our
significant
development
in
the
past
cycle
did
occur
on
non-vacant
sites,
and
so
we
we
think
that
that's
likely
to
continue,
because
a
lot
of
where
you
can
develop
is
on
non-vacant
sites
just
because
of
the
nature
of
our
city.
AH
So
you
know
I
think
it's
a
little
bit
of
a
different
approach,
but
I
think
it's
still
reasonable
and
and
realistic
for
for
what
could
occur.
L
L
You
know
so
hcd
recommended
we
look
at
LA,
county
and
Long
Beach
I,
don't
think
Long
Beach
had
a
regression
analysis.
You
can
correct
me
of
a
wrong
chair,
but
those
are
two
that
we're
looking
at.
The
other
thing
is
that
we're
we're
we
are
meeting
with
hcd
and
talking
about
this,
so
I
think
we'll
have
an
you
know
as
we
go
as
we
met
with
you
guys
we're
talking
through
this.
What
we're
doing
they're
going
to
be
reviewing.
You
know
the
changes
that
we're
making
before
we
send
them.
L
The
final
third
draft,
so
we'll
get
a
sense
of,
is
this
look
good?
Is
there
more
work
that
we
need
to
do?
Is
there
something
else
you'd
like
us
to
do
so
that
you
know
we
have
a
clear
understanding
of
you
know.
Does
it
is
it
looking
really?
Is
it
looking
good
or
not,
and
then
we
can
make
a
decision
on
like
do
we
you
know:
do
we
submit
it
on
Halloween
or
you
know,
do
we
still
need
to
do
more
work
to
get
past
questions?
L
AD
AD
I
think
that
it
would,
you
know,
make
it
a
little
bit
safer
of
a
bet
that
hcd
actually
will
approve
the
next
element,
and
you
know
we've
talked
about
the
timeline
issues
at
play
here.
You
know.
If
you
look
at
the
calendar,
we
really
only
have
one
more
shot
at
submitting
an
element
getting
it
reviewed
by
hcd
before
that
December
31st
deadline.
So
my
advocacy
here
is
really
just
around
you
know
putting
our
best
foot
forward
in
terms
of
putting
forth
something
that
we
are
confident
that
we
can
defend.
AD
Actually,
you
know
meets
the
requirements
that
have
been
put
into
state
law,
but
I
guess
on
the
topic,
as
we
discussed
a
little
bit
yesterday
of
adding
additional
capacity
to
the
element
and
alluded
to
earlier,
there
was
this
kind
of
distinction
between
technical
changes
to
the
element
versus
substantive
changes
to
the
element.
I
find
that
distinction
just
a
little
bit
confusing,
because
some
of
the
changes
that
are
being
proposed
here
do
seem,
you
know
fairly
substantial.
You
know,
removing
you
know,
sites
from
the
inventory,
changing
the
methodology
changing
programs.
AD
L
If
you
know
we
can
modify
existing
programs
and
policies
that
we
have
in
there
to
add
more
language,
more
clarification,
but
we
can't
add
new
policies
or
new
programs
that
the
council
didn't
adopt
and
not
significantly
modify
them
and
and
in
terms
of
sites
are,
are
you
know
we
have
we'll
have
to
talk
through
this,
but
our
sense
is,
we
have,
you
know,
I,
think
it's
400
plus
sites
and
we're
sort
of
limited
to
kind
of
keeping
the
sites
that
we
have.
L
We
are
going
to
definitely
be
taking
sites
out,
as
we
do
the
you
know,
based
in
part
by
your
feedback.
Commissioner,
we
are
look,
we're
looking
at
we'll
be
pulling
sites
out,
but
I
think
you
know
going
above
the
sites,
the
adding
sites
I
think
we
we
think
that
could
be
beyond
that
sort
of
technical.
You
know
changes
so
I
think
there's
also
going
to
be
questions.
The
sequel
clearance
that
we
have
you.
L
A
SQL
point
of
view:
it
might
be
okay
to
add
some
sites,
but
we'd
have
to
really
look
at
where
they
are
does
it
affect,
and
this
gets
really
technical,
but
are
they
in
high
VMT
areas,
with
lots
of
driving
or
in
low
VM
tears,
not
a
lot
of
driving
and
also
there's
analysis
in
terms
of
water
supply
by
the
different
water
providers?
So
are
you
moving
in
between?
Are
you
adding
in
a
certain
provide?
L
So
there
are
some
technical
things
on
that
as
well,
so
it
may
have
creates
a
more
a
lot
more
SQL
work.
It
may
not,
but
we
it
depends
on
where
the
sites
are.
AD
N
N
It's
it's.
You
know
difficult
I
mean
the
arena
would
have
a
spill.
The
state
would
build
three
hundred
and
twelve
thousand
five
hundred
units
a
year
of
housing
under
their
plan,
but
the
state
since
2007
has
done
approximately
a
hundred
thousand
a
year.
It's
really
difficult
to
Triple
I,
don't
even
know
where
the
workforce
is
available
to
actually
go
build,
that
amount
of
Housing
and
then
the
goals
that
they
have
of
on
the
affordability
would
require
650
billion
dollars
in
subsidies
which
aren't
available,
and
then
you
know
this.
N
This
plan
is
to
add
enough
housing
capacity
for
7.3
million,
more
people,
but
another
state
department.
The
department
Department
of
Finance
is
said.
California's
population
is,
is
plateaued
and
will
be
approximately
the
same
through
the
year
2060..
Yet
they
haven't
come
back
and
reassessed.
What
these
numbers
should
be
forcing
us
or
cities
to
make
major
changes
which
ultimately
mainly
benefits
certain
developers,
because
the
changes
are
out
of
scope
and
out
of
what
the
community
wants
in
their
General
plan.
N
And
if
you
look
at
how
Draconian
hcd
can
be
that,
if
permits
are
not
pulled
to
be
50
percent
of
what
the
numbers
supposed
to
be
and
that's
no
fault
of
the
city,
that
could
be
the
development
Community
not
being
able
to
get
money
from
a
pension
fund,
a
bank,
a
sovereign
wealth
fund.
But
if
they
don't
pull
the
permits,
then
hcd
says
your
next
permit
should
be
ministerial,
meaning,
over-the-counter,
no
Planning,
Commission,
no
city
council.
N
So
as
much
as
some
of
us
may,
or
some
people
in
the
community
may
be
concerned,
we're
not
doing
enough.
I
would
tell
you
hcd
and
the
housing
element
and
quoted
by
many
more
elected
officials
is
out
of
touch
and
I
hope
that
you
know
that
cities
and
counties
will
stand
up
and
we'll
see
what
happens,
but
I
don't
want
to
ruin
a
city
for
a
unattainable
number.
Thank
you.
AD
Thank
you,
I
do
have
one
additional
question,
but
I
did
want
to
address
some
of
the
comments
from
commissioner
oliveirio
I
understand
that
the
requirements
that
hcd
is
putting
in
place
are
quite
severe,
but
I
think
they
are
severe,
because
California
has
been
under
building
housing
for
decades
and
has
some
of
the
most
unaffordable
housing
anywhere
in
the
Country.
AD
California
is
currently
49th
in
the
country
in
terms
of
housing
units
per
capita
and
because
the
reason
is
that
we
are
not
building
enough
housing
so,
regardless
of
whether
the
population
plateaus
at
some
point,
there
is
still
the
fact
on
the
table
that
we
have
a
shortfall
of
existing
housing
that
we
do
need
to
at
some
point
catch
up
to.
So
that
would
be
all
of
my
comments
there.
AD
But
my
final
question
was
back
to
staff
again
just
around
the
memo
that
was
sent
to
city
council
earlier
this
week,
specifically
around
the
claims
that
the
city
is
under
no
obligation
to
process
Builders
remedy
applications.
So,
quoting
from
that,
it
says,
staff
considers
the
housing
elephant
approved
by
city
council
to
be
in
substantial
compliance
with
state
law
and
claims
that
criteria
on
what
is
considered
substantial
compliance
remain
unclear.
AD
So
from
that
I
just
wanted
to
highlight
that
hcd's
rejection
letter
said
unambiguously
quote.
Additional
revisions
are
necessary
to
substantially
comply
with
State
housing
element
law
and
on
the
assertion
that
the
criteria
for
substantial
compliance
is
unclear.
Hcd
has
put
out
multiple
memos
and
letters
of
technical
advice
throughout
the
year,
saying
that
quote
a
jurisdiction
does
not
have
the
authority
to
determine
that
its
adopted
element
is
in
substantial
compliance
and
quote
a
jurisdiction
is
in
compliance.
AD
As
of
the
date
of
hcd's
letter,
finding
the
adopted
element
in
substantial
compliance,
so
I
guess,
given
these
conflicting
interpretations
of
the
law,
I
was
just
curious.
If
staff
could
speak
a
little
bit
in
terms
of
that
discrepancy
and
where
they
stand
on,
you
know
the
remedies
associated
with
lack
of
compliance
such
as
Builders
remedy.
H
I'm
happy
to
feel
this
one
so
and
I'll
just
speak
strictly
from
the
law
right.
So
substantial
compliance
is
a
question
of
law.
I'm
not
going
to
decide
it.
We're
not
going
to
decide
that
City's
not
going
to
decide.
Hcd
is
not
going
to
decide
it.
A
court
will
decide
it,
but
there
are
things
in
the
law
that
suggest
After.
We
receive
comments
from
hcd.
We
can
either
ignore
those
comments
and
go
ahead
and
approve
or
adopt
the
housing
element,
or
we
can
make
those
revisions
as
been
suggested
and
that's
actually
what
we
did.
H
As
as
deputy
director
Brio
said,
there
was
a
lack
of
connecting
some
of
the
dots
and
so
that's
kind
of
what
we're
focused
on
at
this
point.
We
believe
we're
in
substantial
compliance.
Like
I
said
it's
a
question
of
law.
Hcd
is
an
advisory
body
right,
that's
in
the
law.
Their
guidance
is
advisory,
it's
not
the
rule
of
law,
so
it
really
comes
down
to
looking
at
what
the
law
actually
requires
and
to
see
if
we've
met
those
standards
right
now,
there's
no
there's
no
brightline
rule.
That
says
this
is
what
substantial
compliance
is.
H
If
you
look
at
any
housing
element
around
the
state
and
I'm
sure
you
have
they're
all
different
right,
they're
all
going
to
address
these
problems
in
different
ways
and
there's
not
one
way,
that's
better
than
the
other.
Maybe
arguably
could
be
better
right,
but
that
is
not
that's,
that's
a
very
hard
rule
to
say
we
need
to
be
perfect
right,
there's
just,
for
example,
the
inventory
site
inventory
I
think
you
had
wonderful
suggestions,
right,
I
think
that
was
spot
on.
H
Are
they?
Are
we
going
to
come
up
with
the
perfect
methodology
to
address
the
housing
crisis?
No,
we're
not,
and
we
all
agree
that
we're
not
going
to
do
that,
but
we're
going
we're
going
to
try,
but
we
have
looked
City
attorney's
office
has
looked
through
the
law,
what
it
requires
and
what
we
have
provided,
and
we
believe
we
have
substantial
evidence
at
this
point.
H
As
of
June
20th,
when
the
city
council
took
action
to
make
the
findings
that
we
were
in
substantial
compliance
that
we
believe
we
are
in
substantial
compliance
with
the
law,
we
really
do
we.
We
have
this-
that
we
believe
we
have
the
substantial
evidence
to
show
that
we're
in
substantial
compliance.
Hcd
may
not
agree
with
that,
and
that's
okay
right.
We
hope
that
we
can
make
some
of
the
corrections
that
show
our
work
right
to
to
explain
how
we
got
to
certain
conclusions.
H
I
think
that
was
one
of
the
major
issues
that
we
saw,
but
not
necessarily
that
those
conclusions
were
wrong
or
going
to
point
us
in
the
wrong
direction.
Just
that
we
needed
to
explain
ourselves
a
little
bit
better
and
and
that's
on
us
we're
going
to
do
that,
and
hopefully,
as
Michael
said,
our
deputy
director
Brio
said
and
staff
has
said,
we're
meeting
with
the
community
doing
what
we
can
to
listen
to
their
concerns
and
try
to
get
this
together
in
order
to
reach
this
deadline
that
we've
set
by
December
31st.
H
We
hope
that
we
can
get
everyone,
including
yourself
on
board,
obviously
with
these
Corrections
again.
It's
it's
not
a
perfect
plan.
It's
not
meant
to
be
that.
Even
if
you
read
from
assembly
Bill
1397
realistic,
what's
realistic,
what's
likely
it's
really
hard
to
nail
down
those
sites
and
San
Jose
is
not
Los
Angeles
right,
it's
just
it's
going
to
be
tough
I!
Think
the
methodology
Jared
explained
really
well
how
we
arrived
at
these
calculations
and
and
I
think
going
forward.
We're
we're
committed
to
that
June
20th
date
as
being
in
substantial
compliance.
H
AD
AD
Yeah
sure,
thank
you,
yeah
and
also
I.
Do
recognize,
of
course,
that
you
know
the
issue
of
substantial
compliance
is
not
settled.
Law
will
likely
be
borne
out
in
the
courts.
That
said,
there
are
multiple
active
court
cases
for
cities
that
are
arguing
essentially
as
San
Jose
is
that
they
already
are
substantially
compliant
and
are
thus
not
subject
to
build.
This
remedy
I've
already
seen
two
cases
this
summer,
where
the
courts
have
disagreed
and
found
that
they
were
not
in
substantial
compliance
and
were
in
fact
subject
to
builders
remedy.
AD
H
Just
on
that
point,
we
have
received
around
15
or
so
Builders
remedy
applications
and
I
can't
remember
the
exact
number
that
we've
actually
gotten
formal
applications.
So
all
these
applications
were
submitted
with
an
SB
330
preliminary
application
to
kind
of
set
their
place
in
line
as
it
were
before
June
20th.
H
H
However,
if
we
are
receiving
Builders
remedy
applications
after
June
20th
we're
looking
at
that
as
well,
but
we
are
not
definitively
ruling
out
Builders
remedy
at
this
point.
H
Yeah
I
mean
that
that's
really
what
hcd
does
they
certify
right,
they're,
putting
the
stamp
of
approval
that
yes
under
state
guidelines,
you
are
substantially
compliant
right.
However,
case
law
states
that
substantial
compliance
is
the
question
of
law
to
be
settled
by
the
courts,
and
so
they
they,
the
courts,
give
a
lot
of
deference
to
cities
to
cities.
H
That
say
you
know
we
have
enough
substantial
evidence
to
show
that,
while
our
methodology
might
not
be
something
that
hcd
agrees
with-
or
maybe
some
other
Advocates
agree
with,
we
show
that
that
methodology
works
for
us
right
and
we're
able
to
show
that
you
know
we
are
we're
getting
from
what's
required
under
the
law
and
showing
our
methodology
and
calculations
and
how
we
got
to
that
compliance,
so
that
can
be
sorted
out
by
the
courts.
It's
obviously
better
for
us
if
we
get
certified
and
that's
what
we're
going
for
is
certification.
H
L
Yeah
and
so
I'm,
not
an
attorney
I,
do
play
one
on
TV
I'm,
just
joking,
but
I
will
say
this
a
substantial
compliance
so,
for
the
most
part,
even
hcd
has
looked
at
our
housing
element
and
we
had
17
comments.
So
to
me
that
says,
yeah
the
vast
majority
of
your
housing
element
is
looking
good.
So
what
we?
What
we're
focusing
on
right
now
is
a
relatively
small
number
of
comments
to
work
through
so
I
mean,
given
that
I
think
that
sort
of
builds.
L
D
To
submit
it
is
one
thing
right
but
say
that
we
don't
meet
certain
things
that
we
have
planned.
Is
there
any
repercussions
at
the
state
level?
If
we're
not
meeting
certain
elements
or
certain
things
that
we
put
on
the
element
on
the
on
the
housing
element.
D
Is
is:
is
the
threshold
submit
something
submit
a
plan?
Try
your
best,
but
if
you
don't
meet
certain
things,
there's
no
consequences
for
that.
There
is
a
consequence
for
not
submitting
the
plan
on
set
date
with
certain
stipulations,
but
if
we
make
if
we
achieve
the
goals,
that
is
not
part
of
the
consequence.
H
AH
I
could
also
jump
into
this
is
Jared
again
sorry,
so
we
also
have
to
Once.
Once
we
get
a
certified
housing
element.
We
also
produce
annual
reports
that
we
submit
to
hcd
that
we
also
present
to
the
the
city
council
as
well,
and
so
we
have
to
report
on
our
progress
meeting
our
goals
and
our
programs.
So
there
is,
there
is
some
you
know,
checking
on
our
progress
annually
in
terms
of
how
we're
progressing
and.
H
B
And
commissioner
barrosio
just
to
expand
on
what
your
question
was
getting
at
the
housing
element
isn't
just
about
addressing
Arena
numbers,
that's
part
of
it,
but
there's
also
programs
in
the
housing
element
to
adopt
specific
policies
through
ordinance
and
am
I
correct
understanding
that
that
has
a
more
concrete
consequences.
If
that's
not
followed
through
on
well.
L
I
I
think
it's
both
but
yeah.
So
we
have
to
look
at
how
we
are
further
affirmatively,
furthering
fair
housing
to
address
past
racial
discrimination
and
segregation.
We
have
to
look
at
governmental,
non-governmental
constraints
in
our
programs
and
how
we
are
addressing
those
to
further
facilitate
housing.
So
there's
a
lot
of
stuff
in
there.
It
isn't
just
the
arena
number,
but
you
know
I,
think
if
you,
if
you're,
not
if
development
is
occurring
not
as
expected
and
sites
drop
out
for
every
reason.
L
For
example,
if
you
have
a
housing
site,
that's
now
built
with
a
new
shopping
center.
You
know
you,
you
report
that
in
your
annual
review
and
you
could
be
in
a
situation.
This
is
why
we
have
a
buffer
when
why
they
recommend
you
have
a
buffer,
but
you
could
be
in
a
situation
that,
like
oops,
we
don't
have
High
sites
now
for
62
000
housing
units,
so
you
need
to
go
out
and
identify
more
sites
and
add
them
to
the
housing
element
as
part
of
that
annual
review
process.
L
B
Any
further
discussion
on
this
all
right,
we'll
move
on
to
the
last
parts
of
the
agenda,
7c,
commission,
calendar
and
study
sessions.
Do
we
have
any
updates
on
that.