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City of San José
Envision San José 2040 4-Year Review Task Force
View agenda at https://www.sanjoseca.gov/home/showdocument?id=54067
A
Everyone,
how
are
you
doing
credit
to
you
all
for
being
here,
despite
a
gorgeous
day?
You
made
it
here
on
time.
Thank
you.
Very
much.
I
also
wanted
to
welcome
two
new
members
of
the
task
force
who
are
replacing
other
members
from
d1.
We
have
Bob
levy
and
from
working
partnerships
we
have
Jeffrey
Buchanan,
welcome,
Jeffrey.
A
B
B
So
in
announces,
yes,
we
have
the
new
task
force
update
next
meeting
in
March,
26
will
have
coyote
Valley
and
capacity
ships
followed
by
April
30th
will
have
the
Evergreen
East
Hills
development
policy
and
transportation
policy,
specifically
vehicles,
miles
miles,
travel
and
finally,
on
May
11,
we'll
have
summary,
and
next
steps
and
Jerry
will
have
some
updates
as
well.
I
just.
A
A
Yeah,
those
are
both
really
big
issues
that
have
been
looming
out
there.
I
know
we,
you
know
it
feels
like
it's
a
bit
of
a
huge
elephant
in
the
room,
so
I
asked
staff
to
just
touch
on
those
quickly
and
we
will
continue
with
the
scope
that
the
council
set
for
us,
recognizing
that
there
are
some
big
changes
that
are
looming
on
the
horizon.
Anything
you
want
to
add,
Michael,
are
you
I
mean
and
then
I
guess
are
you
Leslie
I
mean.
D
D
The
Bay
Area
than
Los
Angeles,
where
I'm
from
that
will
at
least
get
a
three-fold
increase
in
the
bay
area,
so
that
has
significant
implications
down
the
road
for
our
work
on
updating
our
housing
element,
which
we
need
to
do
for
housing
element.
It
is
one
of
our
elements
in
our
general
plan
and
we
need
to
complete
that
by
the
end
of
2020
Leslie.
A
C
D
A
You
staff,
so,
with
regard
to
our
agenda
tonight,
I
just
wanted
to
comment
that
you
know
we
really
want
to
stick
to
the
times
noted
on
the
agenda.
That
means
that
we
will
go
up
until
6:40
to
the
items,
one
two
and
three
and
then
up
to
7:50
p.m.
on
item
four
and
closing
out
at
9
p.m.
on
opportunity,
housing
I'm,
going
to
really
try
to
stick
to
the
those
times.
If
we
can
so.
B
B
Third
is
the
motion
on
the
signature
pilot
project
policy,
Community
Engagement.
The
task
force
has
approved
tax
staff
recommendation
for
that
language
is
on
the
screen
and
the
next
for
signature
project
policy,
the
affordable
housing
incentives,
the
reduction
of
commercial
requirements.
So
this
the
task
force
have
approved
the
motion:
that's
on
the
screen,
first
to
reduce
or
eliminate
of
commercial
requirements
as
an
incentive
for
affordable
housing
for
spiritual
projects
and
in
all
urban
villages.
So
it's
for
staff
to
look
at
that.
B
Second,
to
use
the
methodology
and
option
one
the
staff
has
given
as
a
basis
without
adopting
the
percentage
ratio
between
building,
affordable
housing
and
reduction
in
requirements,
particular
percentage
--is
will
be
subject
to
a
feasibility
analysis.
Third,
in
the
feasibility
analysis
that
would
do
before
going
to
City
Council,
it
would
include
corniche
with
stakeholders
such
as
affordable
housing
developers
and
as
well.
It
was
considered
the
letters
from
the
task
force
with
any
alternative
options
to
look
at
square
footages
versus
percentages
and
fourth,
the
recommendation
should
be
expedited
to
City
Council
great.
B
B
F
These
goals,
they've
recommended
to
create
a
new
regional
transit
urban
village
around
the
capital
Caltrain
station-
and
this
is
this-
was
analyzed
for
mixed-use
development.
It's
currently
in
an
employment
area,
and
one
of
the
main
reasons
is
I.
This
area
was
identified
was
the
Caltrain
2040
service
vision,
plans
for
a
significant
increase
in
service
and
frequency
along
the
the
Caltrain
station
and
Monta
gray
modern
record.
Our
working
groups
recommendation
was
to
create
a
new
urban
village
around
the
capital's
Caltrain
station.
F
So
serfs
recommendation
is
consistent
with
the
the
working
groups
recommendation
to
establish
a
capital
Caltrain
station
area
by
converting
the
West
Capitol
Expressway
Monterey
Road
employment
area,
revising
the
boundaries
to
exclude
multi-family
residential
neighbourhood
that
most
likely
won't
get
redeveloped.
The
new
area
would
be
about
16
acres
and
it
would
have
a
capacity
of
700
residential
units
and
100
jobs.
F
F
B
A
H
Question
for
staff:
why
is
the
residential
neighborhood?
Maybe
they
can
explain
further
why
the
residential
neighborhood
is
excluded
because
it
in
in
many
of
the
other
urban
village
zones,
a
half
mile
from
the
from
there,
the
transit-oriented
or
the
transit
corridor,
is
allowed
for
redevelopment
as
part
of
an
urban
village,
and
that
seems
like
we
ought
to
maximize
the
amount
of
opportunity
around
that
Caltrain
station.
So
I
guess
I'd
like
to
understand
more
about
the
at
least
a
half
mile.
H
Why
are
why
we
couldn't
do
a
half
mile
on
the
east
side
of
Monterey,
Road
and
then
I
think
similar
to
some
one
of
the
other
task
force
members
recommendations.
We
also
also
ought
to
be
looking
on
the
west
side
of
the
Caltrain
corridor
for
future
development
and
then,
lastly,
I
have
a
question
about
blossom
hill
as
being
also
a
potential
urban
village.
F
When
looking
at
the
boundary
for
the
proposed
Cal
capital
Caltrain
station
area,
we
want
to
respect
the
interface
with
residential
single-family,
residential
neighborhood
being
all
the
the
northwest
portion
and
the
on
the
opposite
side
of
Monterey
Road.
The
the
granite
granite
rock,
is
on
the
opposite
side
of
the
Capitol
Cal
train
station
area,
and
we
wanted
to
preserve
the
interface
between
industrial
uses
and
and
high
high
density,
residential.
C
Area,
that's
currently
with
an
employment
area,
you'll
see
the
boundaries
in
blue,
existing
family
I.
Think
there's!
You
know
some
concern
there
by
including
it
in
the
urban
village
for
potential
mixed-use
residential
uses
that
there's
issues
with
displacement
there.
Some
of
those
apartments
could
be
rent
controlled,
given
the
age
of
of
those
buildings.
So
that's
something
we
considered
and
they're.
You
know
the
compared
to
the
rest
of
the
properties
in
the
boundary
there
they're,
basically
fully
developed
versus
the
other
properties,
where
you
have
a
vacant
parking
lot
where
the
couch
the
park
and
rides
station.
C
Currently
is
our
the
parking
lot
regarding
the
west
side,
so
this
area
is
already
part
of
the
communications,
he'll
specific
plan,
growth
area.
So
it's
it's
planned
for
within
that
specific
plan,
it
has
a
industrial
designation
and
currently
has
its
Robert
mentioned.
It's
occupied
by
granite
rock
who's.
Also
looking
at
expanding
their
operations
there,
they
have
a
proposal
in
with
the
city
to
do
that,
I
mean
then
there's
other
various
other
industrial
businesses
that
occupy
those
sites
along
Hill
cap
Avenue
in
terms
of
manufacturing
and
auto
related
businesses.
C
This
specific
plan
itself
actually
strategically
planned
for
housing
away
from
the
industrial
uses
there
at
the
base.
The
southern
base
of
communications
held
there's
an
entitlement
for
one
point:
four
million
square
feet
of
industrial
area
or
industrial
uses
that
would
that
would
be
adjacent
to
the
current
current
industrial
uses
along
he'll
cap
AB
in
granite
rock
way,
and
then
the
residential
uses
more
towards
the
bottom
of
communications,
Hill
of
work
plan
to
be
more
on
the
north
east
side
away
industrial
uses.
C
So
the
that's
some
of
the
reason
in
terms
of
coming
West
from
Monterey
Road
I
also
want
to
mention
that
there's
pretty
big
split
in
terms
you
have
Monterey
Road
and
then
you
have
the
Caltrain
corridor.
Now,
that's
also
going
to
be
occupied
by
high
speed
rail.
So
in
terms
of
connectivity
between
the
two
sides,
there
there's
kind
of
a
big
divide
there.
There
would
be
a
big
barrier
between
what's
already
there
and
then
what's
to
come.
H
Question,
though,
I
what
I'm,
what
I
don't
understand
is
you
mentioned
something
about
respecting
the
adjacent
neighborhoods
or
residential
neighborhoods,
but
other
urban
village
corridors
within
a
half
mile
of
urban
village?
You
don't
talk
about
respecting
those
residential
neighborhoods
and
it
just
doesn't
seem
to
me
seems
like,
depending
on
what
project
you're
talking
about
or
what
urban
village
you
may
or
may
not
want
to
apply
the
same
standard.
So
I
like
I,
said
I.
Don't
understand
why
this
half
mile
that
why
this
residential
neighborhood
has
to
be
specifically.
D
Excluded
him
so
generally
with
urban
village,
is
that
general
rule
is
that
the
urban
village
boundaries
are
defined
by
the
commercial
properties
on
the
given
corridor.
Arterial
and
the
single-family
homes
are
not
included
in
the
boundary.
There
are
some
cases
where
some
homes
or
some
portions
of
a
neighborhood
have
been
included
in
there
off.
What
the
plans
generally
do
is
dedicate
them
for
preservation.
So
it's
not
that
it
couldn't
be
considered
to
expand
the
boundary
into
the
neighborhood
I
think
we
are
keeping
with
past
practice
of
respecting
that
neighborhood.
C
Sure
a
lot
of
it
comes
down
to
size,
this
one's
only
it's
16
acres.
We
took
a
look
at
the
the
parcels
on
this
and
did
some
analysis
and
assumptions
on
what
could
potentially
be
developed
on
these
sites.
So
that's
how
we
derived
700
for
this
particular
urban
village
story,
road
which
we'll
talk
about
a
little
later
much
larger
village
in
terms
of
acreage
and
the
opportunity
sites.
C
I
Thanks
I
just
wanted
to
see
if
you
can
explain
a
little
bit
more
about
the
decision
not
to
include
anything
on
the
west
side
of
Monterey
Road
I
mean
I,
understand
the
industrial
site
up
to
the
north,
and
you
know,
but
there's
there's
more
land
than
just
industrial
right
in
there.
You
have
that
no
cul-de-sac
in
you
have
that
the
site
to
the
south,
maybe
there's
small
parcels.
I
D
Industrial
park,
language,
which
is
so
our
employment
land
overall
in
the
city,
is
about
favorites'
percent
of
our
total
land
and
industrial
I.
Don't
remember
the
exact
figure,
it's
probably
for
two
percent
of
the
land
in
the
city,
so
it
has
some
of
the
lowest
vacancy
rates
of
any
land
in
the
city,
and
it's
really
critical
that
we,
the
general
plan
about
preserving
that
type
of
land
for
uses
that
provide
good-paying
jobs
for
people
that
don't
have
college
degrees
that
provide
a
diversity
of
employment
and
support
a
lot
of
our
driving
industry.
D
J
C
There's
there's
you
know
multiple
existing
industrial
businesses
they're
currently
operating
and
there's
it's
kind
of
a
collection
of
industrial
uses
there.
So,
by
introducing
residential
onto
this
side,
then
we've
that
there's
immediately
impact
to
those
uses
in
terms
of
even
in
our
zoning
code
in
terms
of
noise,
setbacks
and
things
that
that
they
can
do,
and
so
that's
something
we
you
know,
especially
given
the
collection
of
businesses
there
along
Hill
cap
and
granite
rock
way.
C
K
I,
don't
want
to
take
up
too
much
time,
I'm
gonna,
vote
to
support
staff
recommendation
but
I
hope
as
a
task
force.
So
we
can
start
thinking
bigger
about
our
transit
infrastructure
and
our
saying
I
put
this
together
on
Google
Earth.
And
if
you
really
look
at
this,
this
could
be
really
a
hundred-acre
transit
village
and
I
guarantee
you
that
you're
going
to
generate
more
temporary
and
full-time
jobs.
K
Building
10,000
housing
units
with
supporting
commercial
uses
on
this
than
you
are
from
the
existing
industrial
uses
and
I
did
talk
to
Eric
Shan,
however,
before
the
meaning
granite
rock
is
not
opposed
to
having
a
residential
next
to
this
site.
So
I
just
wanted
to
inform
the
count.
The
task
force
about
that
and
and
I
think
there's
a
way
to
work
with
city
staff,
on
adding
employment
capacity.
K
G
A
G
M
D
D
H
D
N
C
That
just
carries
for
the
the
current
number
of
jobs
allocated
to
this
employment
area.
Currently
now
Ms
Robert
was
saying
it's
it's
currently
an
employment
area.
There's
no
housing
planned
housing
growth
allocated
to
this
within
that
boundary,
so
we
just
kept
the
jobs
as
they
are
today.
In
the
general
plan,
we
weren't
proposing
any
changes
there
in
terms
of
planned
new
jobs
in
the
jobs
could
be.
Were
the
general
plans
agnostic
about
the
types
of
jobs
that
that
those?
Those
would
be
great.
A
H
C
Good
question
yeah
and
we
could
I
think
we
just
felt
we,
you
know,
there's
already
a
allocation
of
jobs
there,
so
we
would
leave
that,
as
is
there's
as
I
mentioned
so
across
Monterey
Road
is
part
of
the
communications
health,
specific
plan
and
the
entitlements
on
communications
Hill.
It's
it's
it's
north
of
the
granite
rock
site
that
you
see
on
the
side,
just
north
of
the
Capitol
Cal
train
station,
there's
entitlement
for
1.4
million
square
feet
of
industrial
uses.
So
there
is
quite
a
bit
of
employment
uses
planned
in
this
area
currently
and.
D
I
should
add,
I
think
it's
the
next
house
force
meeting,
but
we'll
be
digging
a
lot
more
into
detail
about
the
distribution
of
jobs
and
housing,
to
explain
sort
of.
Why
there's,
but
in
general,
well
we'll
hold
off
on
that,
but
we'll
get
into
this
detail.
I
think
when
we
get
into
that
certificate.
Ii
and
the
whole
city
will
kind
of
understand
the
bigger
picture
and
why
there
might
have
put
a
hundred
jobs
here
versus
a
thousand
Thank.
A
B
So
a
neighborhood
business,
district
or
NBD
provides
a
sense
of
place
and
identity
for
the
local
community.
The
businesses
within
typical
NBD
reflects
the
character
and
culture
and
ask
the
vitality
of
the
neighborhood.
An
NB
D
provides
an
opportunity
for
local
employment
and
findings
have
shown
that
small,
family-owned
or
independent
businesses
average
between
10
to
about
22
years
in
some
of
the
NB
DS,
as
defined
by
the
general
plan.
B
B
The
enmity
of
designation
functions
as
an
overlay
in
the
general
plan,
and
typically
there
are
two
types
of
commercial
areas
on
their
distant
designation.
So
as
shown
on
the
Left,
Willow
Street
or
Calle
Willow
is
locally
called.
These
older
commercial
areas
have
connected
buildings
to
create
a
predominant
pattern
of
continuous
street
facade,
with
no
or
very
little
setbacks
from
the
sidewalk
and
on
the
right.
The
story-
road
and
BD
typically
is
more
auto
oriented
and
characterized
by
building
set
in
the
rear
and
parking
towards
the
street
frontage.
B
So
up
attend
neighborhood
business
districts
throughout
the
city.
Five
are
already
located
within
urban
villages
or
growth
areas
which
allows
for
residential
uses,
based
on
the
adopter
urban
village
plan
and,
of
course,
in
an
urban
village
area
without
an
adopted
plan,
resident
uses,
as
you
heard
previously,
are
allowed
through
the
signature
project,
pollicis
policy,
as
well
as
policy
IP,
five
on
the
higher
percent,
affordable
housing
or
through
the
underlying
general
plan
designation.
The
array
allows
for
residential
uses
because
five
of
the
NBD
s
are
already
urban
villages.
B
Staff
propose
that
we
focus
this
policy
work
to
narrow
to
the
ones
outside
of
the
urban
villages.
These
are
William
Willis,
Street
or
Caillou
willow,
north
13th
Street,
also
locally
known
as
Luna
Park,
Willow,
Glen,
japantown
and
story
row.
So
those
are
highlighted
in
the
map
in
the
slide
and
yellow
and
while
story
row
MVD
fits
the
criteria.
Staff
will
discuss
this
as
potential
for
an
urban
village
later
in
the
presentation.
B
So
before
we
dive
in
the
Emma
DS
and
the
characteristics
stamp
on
layout,
the
policy
recommendation
that
would
facilitate
housing.
These
areas
so
first
is
to
establish
Willow,
Street,
North,
13th,
Street,
Willow,
Glen
and
Japan
town.
The
Taylor
Street
portion
as
growth
areas
second,
is
to
establish
established
an
initial
pool
of
600
residential
units,
as
the
capacity
then
to
revise
the
NBD
overlay
in
the
general
plan
to
provide
flexibility
in
housing.
B
First,
the
new
development
should
complement
the
scale
and
density
of
the
existing
urban
fabric,
so
that's
building
tight,
thoroughfares,
open
space,
furnitures
streetscapes
within
the
MPD's,
as
well
as
complied
to
the
citywide
design
guidelines
and,
lastly,
the
identify
historic
structures
to
be
adaptively
reused
into
the
new
development
on
site,
and
the
last
recommendation
on
this
topic
is
to
establish
the
story.
Road
employment
lands,
growth
area
as
a
local
transit
urban
village.
B
The
Willow
Street
kayu
willow,
neighborhood
business
district
is
the
corridor
on
Willow
Street
between
my
Cleveland
Avenue
and
Albertan
Avenue.
It
is
an
established
Latino
district
with
spanish-speaking
businesses
located
on
both
sides
of
Willow
Street.
The
district
is
approximately
15
acres
and
point
42
miles
long.
There
are
lots,
a
virgin
approximately
the
size
of
large
single-family
residence
about
6500
square
feet,
so
most
properties
in
the
NBD,
as
shown
on
the
image,
is
mixed-use
commercial,
general
plan
designation.
B
This
requires
a
commercial
component
of
at
least
0.5
floor
area
ratio
for
any
mixed-use
residential
project,
so
the
mix
use
a
commercial
designation
or
mu
C
for
short
allows
for
a
variety
of
medium
scale:
commercial
uses
from
neighborhood
retail
offices
and
healthcare
facilities.
The
residential
density
is
up
to
fifty
twelve
units
per
acre
for
a
residential
mixed
use.
Commercial
project,
commercial
minimum,
is
0.5
fer
and
can
be
up
to
4.5,
f
AR
for
commercial,
only
project
the
minimum
floor
area
ratio
is
0.25.
B
So,
as
shown
in
the
photos,
commercial
buildings
on
Willis
Street
are
connected
or
have
very
little
setback
from
each
other
and
create
a
continuous
street
facade.
The
buildings
have
very
little
or
no
setback
from
the
sidewalk
parking
lots
and
typically
street
parking
are
placed
in
the
rear
and
access
are
or
access
via
long
driveways
or
alleys.
Buildings
and
businesses
are
defined
by
vibrant,
colors
and
or
signage
'as.
B
The
north
13
street
NBD
is
located
on
both
sides
of
13th
Street
between
East
heading
and
Jackson
Street
anchora
by
Bach
esto
Park.
The
enmity
is
little
over
20
acres
about
half
a
mile
long
and
comprised
of
small
Lots
averaging
a
parcel
size
of
0.2
acres
or
about
8,700
square
feet
similar
to
Willow
Street
or
a
caillou
willow
properties
in
a
Semin
has
a
mixed-use
commercial
designation.
B
The
13th
Street
business
corridor
was
established
in
the
first
half
of
20th
century
by
Italian.
Immigrants
who
built
small
multi-family
houses
and
stores
with
areas
for
the
families
to
live
above.
The
commercial
buildings
vary
with
either
multiple
buildings,
flush
towards
the
sidewalks
or
building
set
to
the
rear,
with
parkings
towards
the
street
finish
along
with
retail
and
restaurant
businesses,
their
hotels,
automotive
shops
and
gas
station
in
distressed
district.
There
are
also
bike
lanes
along
the
corridor.
B
The
Willow
Glen
neighborhood
business
district
is
0.73
miles
long,
a
corridor
along
Lincoln
Avenue
between
Co
Avenue
to
the
north
and
Minnesota
Avenue
to
the
south.
It
is
approximately
45
acres
with
an
average
lot
of
0.3
acres
or
13,000
thousand
square
feet,
currently
all
properties
within
the
MVD.
Our
destiny
neighborhood
community
commercial,
showing
the
pink
on
the
map,
and
that
does
not
allow
residential
development.
B
The
neighborhood
community
commercial
designation
allows
for
a
broad
range
of
commercial
uses
near
but
serving
retail
stores
and
services,
commercial
and
professional
offices,
private
community
gathering
facilities,
new
developments
should
support,
walking,
transit
use
and
public
interaction.
New
and
once
again,
new
residential
uses
are
not
allowed.
B
So
Willow
Glen
is
a
very
vibrant,
successful
and
pedestrian
oriented,
neighborhood
business
district,
but
retail
restaurants
and
other
community
serving
businesses.
The
pedestrian
strip
friendly
streetscape,
includes
street
trees,
bike
lanes,
special,
paving
crosswalks,
seedings
planters
and
lighting.
The
district
is
served
by
bus
route,
64
and
82.
Typically,
a
30-minute
headway
on
each
route
on
weekdays.
B
The
Japan
town
MBD
overlaps,
the
jackson,
taylor,
residential
area,
east
of
North,
sixth
Street,
the
residential
strategy,
arrey
arrey,
has
a
residential
capacity
and
over
700
residential
units
have
been
built
in
a
specific
plan.
Eros
and
adoption
of
the
general
plan,
considering
the
historic
and
cultural
sensitivity
of
Japan
town
and
its
overlay
with
each
action
tailor
residential
strategy
staff
recommends
that
policy
changes
applies
to
only
the
section
of
Taylor
Street
within
the
Japan
town
and
BD,
so
that's
hashtag
and
there
in
the
red
in
the
map.
B
B
So
staff
want
to
show
examples
of
the
type
of
building
forms
that
could
happen
within
MPGs
when
you
build,
but
residential
a
mixed-use
in
so
shown
here
on
the
slide
are
concepts
from
the
13th
Street
neighborhood
AARP
report.
The
concept
shows
variation
of
two
to
three
story:
buildings,
as
well
as
public
plazas
and
open
spaces.
B
These
vent
and
the
next
images
these
are
locally
residential
mixed
use.
Areas
on
the
bottom
are
four-story
and
they're.
Actually
in
San
Jose
the
upper
right
is
actually
kind
of
a
corner
two
to
three
commercial
and
plaza.
That's
actually
in
the
willow
glen
NBD
on
the
left.
It
shows
a
variety
I
think
more
in
the
Berkeley
area
of
showing
the
concept
of
office,
a
residential
and
commercial
and
the
far
right
and
actual
step
up
to
a
five
storey
tower.
B
A
L
Chris
Burton
deputy
director
with
the
development
I'm
joined
by
Victor
Farley
who's,
one
of
our
business
development
officers,
who's
also
the
lead
for
our
small
business
displacement
program
currently,
and
we
wanted
to
give
you
just
a
quick,
quick
update
on
some
of
the
work
that
we're
doing
around
the
neighborhood
business
districts.
You'll
see
us
often
more
with
the
larger
employment
conversations
we'll
be
back
for
the
next
task
force
meeting
for
that
conversation.
But
we
wanted
to
reassure
you
today
of
the
importance
of
our
neighborhood
business
districts
to
our
economic
strategy.
L
The
neighborhood
business
districts
are
fascinating
places
and
they're
really
defined
by
their
overarching
characteristic,
which
is
their
connection
to
place
right
there.
They
are
neighborhood
in
nature
and
in
scale,
and
so
they
represent
a
mix
and
diverse
mix
of
uses
that
support
the
local
area
around
them
and
also
the
local
populace
you'll
see
that
most
of
the
businesses
within
our
NPD's
are
either
run
by
or
owned
by
local
residents
they're
serving
the
local
community.
L
L
What
we've
seen
most
recently
as
Elin
pointed
out
because
of
the
nature
of
change
it.
Within
the
general
plan,
we've
seen
some
conversions
of
neighborhood
business
districts
into
urban
villages
and
that's
had
some
impacts,
especially
around
small
business
displacement.
So
we
wanted
to
give
you
an
update
on
the
work
that
we're
currently
doing
around
small
business
displacement,
with
a
focus
on
Allen
Rock.
Just
to
give
you
that
additional
context,
and
with
that
I'll
hand
it
to
Vic
I.
O
Essentially,
what
is
displacement?
You
can
reduce
the
book
of
a
thousand
pages
to
two
words:
it's
involuntary
relocation
and
the
key
word
there
is
involuntary
how
this
impacts
on
business
varies
according
to
the
business,
and
what
we've
witnessed
here
is
the
outcome
can
be
extreme
risk
for
certain
types
of
businesses.
The
most
particularly
here,
that's
relevant
to
a
neighborhood
would
be
a
restaurant.
O
The
capital
cost
of
relocation
is
significant
and
the
opportunity
to
move
from
A
to
B
within
it
within
a
plan.
Time
scale
can
be
extremely
difficult
to
the
point
of
impossible.
So
this
is
a
relevant
issue
both
affecting
alum
rock
as
I'll
come
on,
to
explain,
but
are
many
other
neighborhoods
across
the
city
which
we've
experienced
and
witnessed
over
the
course
of
the
last
12
months.
O
Why
is
this
an
issue
in
California,
as
distinct
from
other
states?
Well,
there
are
no
commercial
rent
control
of
specific
tenant
protections
for
for
commercial
businesses.
There's
no
LS
Act
equivalent,
there's
no
statutory
compensation
for
relocation
outside
of
the
lease
term,
so
whatever
is
in
the
lease,
is
fundamental
to
the
outcome
and
in
some
instances
there
is
no
lease
it's
by
word
of
mouth.
Unlike
residential
issues,
there's
no
warranty
of
habitability.
It
is
what
it
is
in
front
of
you.
It's
caveat,
emptor.
Buyer!
Beware!
O
In
terms
of
how
a
landlord
and
the
tenant
approached
the
negotiation
and
reach
agreement
and,
more
recently
in
relation
to
tax
funded
projects-
and
this
is
relevant
in
the
context
of
affordable
housing,
compensation
is
capped
and
when
you
look
at
the
regulation
in
detail,
you'll
notice
that
the
cap
is
set
at
$31,000
and
that
figure
was
set
in
1994
and
it's
a
standard
sum
applicable
to
any
business
in
California.
So
you
could
be
in
Modesto
or
San
Jose
and
it's
the
same
number.
O
O
Why
is
this
an
issue
in
San
Jose?
As
Chris
has
already
mentioned,
small
businesses
do
reinforce
a
positive
neighborhood
identity,
60%
of
small
business
owners.
We
estimate
are
people
of
color,
most
small
business
businesses
lease
not
own
premises.
That
in
a
sense
exposes
the
risk.
Most
small
businesses
owned
the
premises
therein.
They
would
have
more
control
over
their
lives,
livelihoods
and
decision-making
and
to
bring
this
to
to
the
point
of
this
evening,
once
commercial
land
is
lost.
O
Typically,
it's
lost
forever
and
City
has
an
oval
jobs
deficit
as
as
Michael
as
mentioned
earlier,
you'll
be
receiving
a
future
paper
on
jobs,
but
jobs
in
the
broadest
sense
need
to
accommodate
all
the
needs
of
the
residents
of
the
city,
rather
than
just
one
particular
focus
or
part
of
that
market,
and
therefore
neighborhoods
have
a
particular
relevance
at
y
Alum
Rock.
Well,
this
map
summarizes
everything.
This
is
both
short
term
and
long
term
within
alum
rock
along
the
pilot
of
the
Allen
Rock
Avenue.
O
You
have
the
impact
of
the
plan
bar
Phase
two,
which
is
a
10-year
project.
With
the
station
at
five
wounds
now
known
as
Little
Portugal,
we
have
the
urban
villages,
we
have
affordable
housing
projects
and,
in
a
sense,
it's
not
just
short-term
change
but
long-term
change.
So
to
assess
the
impact
of
how
we
should
approach
small
business
development.
O
That's
why
we
targeted
the
area
in
alum
rock
to
support
the
businesses
we
identified
over
200
businesses
within
that
area,
employing
close
to
500
people
across
a
wide
range
of
different
types
of
businesses,
and
a
key
point
that
came
out
from
our
data
was
that
on
average,
businesses
have
been
there
10
years
or
more
how
the
city
is
responding.
Essentially,
this
is
my
role
within
the
office
of
economic
development
and
to
be
a
single
point
of
access.
O
I'm
kind
of
the
human
point
of
information
both
being
proactive
locally
within
alum
rock
and
also
internally,
informing
informing
colleagues
in
different
departments
and
collaboration
is
a
key
word
in
the
pilot
and
in
particularly
with
the
local
business
association
in
alum
rock,
and
within
that
we
begin
to
look
for
early
notification
of
development.
A
key
point
here
for
businesses
the
longer
time
you
have
to
react
to
the
prospect
of
of
being
relocated,
the
more
time
you
have
to
consider
the
options.
O
The
more
time,
the
more
likely
you
are
to
survive
the
outcome
when
people
are
on
30
days
notice,
it's
very
difficult
to
make
the
best
decisions
and
we
have
experience
of
individual
businesses
that
have
been
subject
to
that.
We've
established
a
rapid
response
of
particular
business
providers
who
want
to
work
in
the
area
and
I've
established
a
network
with
banks.
We
have
24
retail
banks
in
the
city
who
are
all
competitive
and
wish
to
access
capital
for
small
businesses,
with
the
usual
caveat
proviso
of
the
criteria
that
banks
used
to
lend.
O
O
I'll
conclude
by
saying
that,
in
summary,
there's
a
powerful
connection
between
successful
small
businesses
and
successful
neighborhoods.
One
goes
in
hand
with
the
other,
it's
very
difficult
to
have
a
successful
neighborhood
without
successful
business,
placemaking,
identity
and
quality
of
life
are
the
critical
building
blocks
of
many
neighborhoods,
not
just
in
the
neighborhoods
you're
witnessing
and
seeing
and
discussing
this
evening,
but
across
the
city
as
a
whole,
and
that's
why
small
business
is
one
of
the
building
blocks
of
the
city's
success.
Thank
you.
Thank.
A
You
so
much
Rick
and
Chris.
So
let
me
tell
you
who
I
have
written
down
and
please
tell
me
if
I'm
incorrect
I
see
either
Smita
or
Juan.
Is
it's
Mita
and
then
Luis
Shawn
I'm
coming
this
way,
Shilo
Michael
Pam,
Harvey,
Rae
I,
see
you
in
there.
Oh
yeah,
others
are
popping
up.
Okay,
let's
start
down
here
it
was
a
Smita.
P
Okay,
I
want
to
say
thank
you
for
the
presentation.
I
put
my
card
up
to
ask
exactly
the
question
you
answered
so
I'm,
going
to
change
my
question
to
a
comment
and
just
say
that
I
very
much
appreciate
the
attention
you're
giving
to
this
issue
and
that
it
is
a
very
important
concern
as
we
move
forward
as
we
try
to
prioritize
housing
to
make
sure
that
existing
small
businesses
that
have
made
our
community
what
it
is.
G
P
K
Appreciate
staff
supporting
housing
and
neighborhood
business
districts
I'd
like
to
better
understand
how
you
think
about
density
in
these
districts,
because
I
want
I
want
to
give
you
a
real
world
example
of
an
urban
village
project
that
we
have
across
from
Santana
Row,
and
it's
really
the
only
unintended
consequence
of
thinking
of
density
in
terms
of
units
versus
looking
at
the
form
of
the
building
and
how
the
same
building
could
house
more
people.
So,
for
example,
our
our
project
at
Olin
and
Winchester
is
limited
to
65
feet.
K
It's
about
a
half,
an
acre
and
I'm
limited
at
50
to
use
to
the
acre
so
I
end
up
with
27
1,600
square
foot
units,
okay.
So
these
units,
in
order
for
me
to
make
the
project
pencil
I've,
got
to
sell
them
for
about
a
million.
Eight
plus
I
could
fit
50
for
800
square
foot
units
and
sell
them
for
a
lot
less,
but
I'm
precluded
from
doing
that
in
the
urban
village.
D
Yes,
so
I
think
we
generally
agree
with
you.
I
think
we're
worst.
We
haven't
dialed
in
that
sort
of
the
scale,
but
we're
kind
of
generally
thinking
in
a
three
to
four
story
range
Taylor
would
be
higher
because
it's
a
major
street,
that's
something
we're
gonna,
do
some
more
outreach
with
to
kind
of
dial
that
in,
but
we
generally
agree
with
you
I
think
one
of
the
things
that
has
come
up
is
that
San
Jose
very
much
gives
density
away
cuz.
We
want
density
and
I.
D
Think
that's
not
a
bad
thing,
but
one
of
the
unintended
consequences
of
that
is
that
we
have
a
thing
called
density,
bonus
law
or
a
developer
can
get
more
high
and
more
density
if
they
include
some
affordable
housing
units
and
there
isn't
an
incentive
to
do
that,
because
the
densities
we
set
are
so
high.
So
we
sort
of
have
to
kind
of
balance
those
two
things
and
coming
up
the
right
density,
but
in
general
we
sort
of
agree.
It's
gonna
be
more
about
the
box
and
less
about
the
density
within
that
box.
D
G
Recommendation
we're
talking
about
a
reallocation
of
600
residential
units
from
existing
urban
villages,
to
the
neighborhood
business
districts
and
I
guess
my
question
is
and
maybe
Michael
you
brought
it
up.
The
upcoming
Rena
cycle.
We're
gonna
see
an
increase
in
demand
for
residential
across
the
city.
It
seems
like
this
is
an
opportunity
to
add
residential
as
opposed
to
just
reallocating
what
was
the
decision-making
behind
that
so
so.
D
Allocating
more
housing
growth
beyond
120
thousand
units
that
we
have
in
our
general
plan
is
a
much
heavier
lift.
It
is
outside
of
the
scope
of
this
process,
but
putting
that
aside,
it
requires
a
new
aar,
so
that
could
be
something
that
happens
as
part
of
our
housing
element
update
over
the
next
two
and
a
half
three
years
that
that's
possible.
That
could
happen,
but
not
part
of
this
for
your
process.
Yeah.
Q
Two
comments,
I
think
one
is
thank
you
for
the
presentation
on
the
displacement
work
that
you
guys
are
doing
or
I'm,
not
sure
what
the
correct
terminology
is.
I
was
a
little
confused
like
what
it
is
exactly
what
what
is
the
pilot?
He
talked
about
a
network
of
banks
or
whatever
it,
but
I
wasn't
clear
on
so
what
happens?
What
is
it
that
you're
providing
and
then?
Q
My
second
comment
is
I'm,
very
supportive
of
adding
housing
to
the
neighborhood
business
districts
and-
and
this
speaks
to
what
I
was
just
peeking
and
I-
think
what
you've
heard,
because
it's
it's
clear
that
folks
have
expressed
reservation
about
well,
what
happens
to
the
character
and
the
folks
who
already
are
doing
business
there
and
the
future.
You
know
the
ability
of
folks
in
the
future
to
start
mom-and-pop
businesses
in
these
areas.
So
it
sounds
like
that.
Q
You
guys
already
felt
it
or
we
said
it
and
you
heard
it
so
I'm,
but
I,
just
I
see
like
calle
willow
up
there
and
I
get
scared.
That
I
mean
that
is
a
that
is
a
cultural
asset
for
this
city
and,
although
I
really
want
to
see
housing,
there,
I
get
really
scared
about
what
that
means
for
a
street
like
that
in
terms
of
just
everything
that
goes
on,
like
that's
scary,
so
anyway,.
O
And
then
we
have
worked
with
the
Allan
watt
Business
Association
to
host
localized
events,
which
they
run
where
they
have
topics
and
one
of
the
key
topics
they've
been
running
is
access
to
capital.
So
we
kind
of
we're
trying
to
facilitate
and
collaborate
at
both
ends
both
with
the
institutions
as
well
as
the
organization's
locally.
But
the
philosophy
very
much
within
that
is
to
enable
the
business
and
the
business
groups
within
a
Lamacq
to
define
that
agenda
for
themselves.
O
We
don't
we
don't
set
that,
but
we
want
to
facilitate
it
and
then
the
other
two
things
we
do
is
we
work
closely
with
the
technical
assistance
providers,
those
organizations
that
are
funded
again
federally
through
the
state
to
support
small
business
and
we
I
work
with
each
of
them
individually
as
organizations
to
refer
them
to
businesses
in
Allan
rock,
and
so
that's
the
kind
of
that's
the
components
of
the
pilot.
And
then
we
set
the
geography,
but
within
the
terms
of
the
geography.
O
O
Two
we've
been
very
outgoing
in
saying
to
VTA
on
the
need
for
a
business
stakeholder
group
to
engage
all
the
businesses
along
the
line,
including
Alan
Roberts,
from
Portugal
to
ensure
that
the
business
owners
are
engaged
in
the
issues
of
pre-construction
and
construction.
So
they're
bringing
together
these
various
elements
and
we're
going
to
be
quite
honest,
I
think
and
reflect
on
what
works
and
what
doesn't
work
when
we
get
to
the
summer
and
then
and
then
report
and
report
across
the
Council.
On
that
basis,
Vicki.
D
You
said
something
in
me:
we're
talking
about
this
had
a
big
impact
on
me
and
that
is
that
a
lot
of
these
business
owners
aren't
even
aware
of
what's
going
on
and
all
of
a
sudden
they
find
out.
They
have
30
days
to
get
out
and
if
you
have
30
days
to
get
out
you're
pretty
much
done,
and
so
a
lot
of
it
because
we
were
saying
it's
just
B.
D
We
are
aware
of
what's
going
on
and
just
reaching
out
to
businesses
and
letting
them
know,
I
don't
want
to
steal
your
thunder,
but
that
hey,
you
know,
there's
some
plans
afoot
and
you
thought
about
plans.
Or
how
could
you
relocate?
Do
you
want
to?
Can
we
help
you?
Could
we
connect
you
to
resources?
So
I
think
just
that
connection
is
really
is
really
important.
G
Question
and
then
a
comment:
the
question
has
to
do
with
the
Rapada
percent
replacement
of
the
commercial
industrial
space
and
I
mean.
Is
that
just?
Is
it
just
a
kind
of
a
basic
form
going
in
as
you
study
this?
Is
it
going
to
be
a
case-by-case
because,
while
some
business
districts
are
more
flourishing,
others
are
not
and
the
uses
have
you
know
with
all
due
respect
to
small
businesses,
they're
they've
outlived
their
purpose
in
the
district,
and
that's
why
the
business
districts
are
suffering.
G
D
You
need
to
say
exactly
what
you
need
to
do
per
state
law,
and
so
you
know
again,
I
think
the
focus
of
these
business
districts
is
is
we
want
to
enhance,
reserve
them
for
existing
and
future
businesses
and
so
kind
of
keeping
that
space
and
that
commercial
focus,
while
allowing
the
introduction
of
other
residential?
So
while
we
could
have
had
a
flexible
policy,
the
state
law
kind
of
precludes
us
from
doing
that,
and
we
think
it's
important
to
maintain
the
amount
of
commercial
that's
in
the
district.
D
A
G
Again,
this
is
just
it's:
it's
deja
vu.
It's
the
same
thing
over
and
over
the
idealism.
It's
not
it's
not
feasible
today,
so
we
need
some
type
of
space
to
create.
You
know
six
hundred
units.
If
you
think
about
it,
spread
out,
that's
actually
could
be
a
hundred
unit
projects
and
enter
these
districts,
which
is
good
density,
which
is
gonna,
provide,
affordable,
housing
and,
and
most
of
these
uses,
I'll
use
13th
Street
as
an
example,
it's
a
dilapidated
hope,
there's
homeless
people
living
actually
on
the
street
at
Mission
and
13th.
G
These
are
these
are
areas
that
are
rundown
that
are
need
to
refresh.
So
again,
this
idealism.
This
idea,
GOG
whatever
you
want
to
call
it-
that
planning
continues
to
promote,
will
not
act.
These
six
hundred
units
or
phantom
units.
Ladies
and
gentlemen,
their
phantom
Union
phantom
phantom
of
the
opera'
phantom
well.
D
I
just
add
to
that
I
think
one
thing
you
need
to
note
is
this
policy
is
not
saying
you
have
to
do
commercial
on
the
whole
and
BD.
Actually,
a
lot
of
the
NBD
currently
is
a
residential
uses,
so
on
those
properties
are
currently
residential.
You
can
build
all
residential,
so
it's
really
more
about
preservation
of.
What's
there
enhancement
of
what's
there,
but
not
requiring
additional
commercial
to
be
built.
That's.
M
Several
comments
in
a
question
in
reference
to
what
a
successful
business
is.
I
I
believe
we
had
several
discussions
with
that
big
I
believe
that
any
businesses
has
been
in
San
Jose
and
has
been
there
for
more
than
three
years
so
business,
quite
because
it's
been
producing
enough
money
to
pay
for
his
own
expenses,
rent,
probably
or
mortgage
pay
for
their
own
kids.
So
once
again,
over
three
years,
we
call
it
a
successful
business
because
it's
still
alive
and
again
it's
not
depending
on
any
government
or
any
credit
from
anybody.
Businesses
don't
get
credits.
M
M
Once
again,
one
of
our
discussions.
We
mentioned
that
talking
about
a
story
going
back
to
story
road,
the
majority
of
those
businesses
have
been
there
for
over
ten
years.
Is
that
where
we
said
10
to
12
years,
and
if
that
is
not
a
successful
business,
even
though
there
might
not
be
in
a
very
beautiful
facade,
they
don't
look
the
best.
They
are
successful
businesses.
It
is.
We
said
about
500
businesses
in
restorable,
in
over
2,000
jobs
created.
M
How
can
we
call
those
not
successful?
Those
are
successful
business,
creating
jobs
and
I
I
truly
support
the
idea
of
creating
the
urban
volition
and
story
road,
but
but
I
think
that
for
something
like
how
like
what
to
happen
to
Allen
broke,
not
to
happen
again,
I
think
we
need
to
work
on
an
anti
displacement
resident
and
a
business
anti
displacement
study
to
come
along
with
the
designation
for
a
village
or
before,
because
otherwise
we
will
be
creating
the
same
type
of
displacement.
We
lost
over
60
businesses
during
the
VTA
construction.
M
There's
small
businesses
in
in
Allen,
Brook
and
story
roll
has
more
more
businesses
than
story,
I
believe
as
per
the
numbers
that
you
mentioned
so
again.
That
is
my
comment.
I
I
do
believe
that
if
each
one
of
these
businesses
was
to
have
an
opportunity,
they
will
try
stable
tribe,
and
if
we
were
going
to
be
building
new
100
unit
buildings
and
we
were
able
to
accommodate
or
ryokan
rotate
those
businesses
back,
we
will.
We
will
do
a
lot
for
our
city
Shilo
mention
about
the
culture
instead
of
having
those
businesses.
M
If
we
don't,
if
we
don't
pay
attention
to
that,
given
an
opportunity
to
businesses
to
come
back,
we
are
just
creating
spaces
for
Starbucks,
paddocks
friends,
Jamba
Juice,
which
are
businesses
that
you
see
each.
You
just
see
them
everywhere,
but
you
don't
see
the
kind
of
wool
of
forest.
You
don't
see
the
the
pinata
place
and
care
you
will
as
well
or
an
Allen
Brock.
Those
are
the
ones
that
we
want
to
keep
and
I
think
we
should
be
working
to
keep
them
in
our
city.
That's
thank.
C
That
would
be
available
to
all
the
areas.
So,
instead
of
allocating
you
know
200
here
100
there
it
would
just
be.
It
would
be
a
pool
of
600
units
that
could
be
used
for
all
the
the
for
the
different
NB
DS
that
this
would
apply
to
so
japantown
right,
north
13th,
Street,
Willow,
Glen
and
then
Guyot
will
got.
C
That
we're
still
working
on
that'll
be
a
follow-up
item
where
we
would
be
looking
to
set
densities
appropriately
for
each
of
the
different
NB
DS
is
Michael
mentioned
we're,
probably
looking
something
around
three
stories
or
so
out,
with
the
exception
of
Japan
town
along
Taylor
Street.
Given
the
the
current
development
patterns
there
at
probably
appropriate
to
have
something
a
little
higher
five
or
six
stories.
Okay,.
J
And
then
my
other
question
is
its
slide
for
rising
rents.
Why
is
this
an
issue
in
California?
There's,
no
commercial,
rent
control
or
specific
tenant
protections?
Are
there
any
cities
that
aren't
having
problems
with
rising
rents
that
have
commercial
rent
control
or
tenant
protections
in
the
US?
And
if
so,
what
are
they.
O
O
And
they
don't
necessarily
work
effectively,
but
you
can
look
at
the
big
examples
which
would
be
New.
York,
City
and
I
would
draw
reference
to
an
academic,
a
major
academic
piece
that
was
published
a
month
ago
by
the
Pratt
Institute,
which
set
out
15
years
of
history
of
planning
and
change
in
relation
to
small
business
and
the
use
of
different
policies,
and
essentially
it
identifies
if
you
like,
the
the
successes
and
the
losses
along
that
way.
O
Other
cities
for
whom
we've
directly
compared
when
we
produced
our
paper
for
the
study
session
last
October
and
there's
an
annex
that
shows
the
work
we
did
in
looking
at
Seattle
important
Austin,
there's
direct
comparisons.
That
I
would
sum
it
up
by
saying
each
city
adopted
its
own
strategy,
so
in
Austin
they
went
for
preservation,
they
targeted
older
buildings
and
wanted
to
preserve
the
building,
as
distinct
from
the
occupant
of
that
building.
O
In
Seattle,
they
went
for
a
very
zone,
neighborhood
based
form
of
control,
an
important
they
looked
at
a
more
economic
neighborhood
strategy,
which
was
much
more
heavily
reliant
on
transit
development
and
more
Tod
driven.
So
each
city
had
its
own
way
of
looking
at
that.
What's
evident,
looking
at
the
policy
link
work
that
we've
done,
which
is
a
National
Confederation
of
different
cities
across
the
United
States
is
there
is
no
unique
magic.
One
solution
to
the
question
of
addressing
small
business
displacement.
O
Each
city
has
to
define
for
itself
the
correct
approach
and
that
really
drove
the
thinking
behind
behind
a
pilot.
Rather
than
assume
we
knew
the
answer.
We
thought
let's
test
the
proposition
and
let's
inform
both
colleagues
internally
as
well
as
the
community
at
large,
on
how
they
would
want
to
see
that
developed.
So.
J
G
J
R
J
Then
the
other
comment
I
want
to
make-
and
this
crosses
all
three
areas
we're
voting
on
tonight
and
I-
don't
want
to
wait
till
the
end.
I
want
to
go
back
to
what
Sean
said,
you're
looking
at
disrupting
six
neighborhoods
that
maybe
needs
some
revitalization,
but
only
for
six
hundred
units
and
I
want
to
go
back
to
what
Sean
said
about
doing
doing
the
math.
J
If
we
could
move
granite
rock
and
the
other
industrial
businesses
to
another
area,
and
we
have
high-speed
transit,
we
could
have
4300
units
and
1600
jobs
there,
and
so
I
wanted
us
to
rethink
this.
As
far
as
what's
going
to
work
for
our
city
and
the
key
point
I
want
to
make
is
which
I
haven't
made
yet
is
what
makes
property
values
and
what
preserves
property
taxes
is
uniformity
and
what's
being
proposed
in
the
last
part.
In
all
of
these
is
antithetical
to
uniformity.
J
O
E
Well,
Roberta,
you
just
stole
all
the
words
I
was
gonna,
say
and
so
I'll
reiterate
them.
I
really
truly
appreciate
that
you're
working
to
protect
small
businesses,
small
businesses,
businesses,
have
been
around
three
five
thirty
years
need
that
we
need
rents.
That
are
we
we
stay
where
we
are
because
rents
are
lower.
We
don't
move
into
bigger
buildings
because
we
can't
afford
the
higher
rents,
because
that
affects
our
overhead,
but
and
and
I-
don't
disagree
that
some
of
these
neighborhoods
don't
need
to
be
refreshed.
E
Many
of
them
successful-
some,
perhaps
not,
but
many
of
them
already
successful
in
thriving
and
I-
will
argue
that
they
will
not
thrive
when
they
are
moved
when
they
are
relocated
out
of
their
neighborhoods
even
for
six
months
for
a
year,
whatever
it
is,
and
even
if
they
get
to
move
back,
that
disruption
will
affect
their
business
cycle
and
their
ability
to
maintain
their
business,
which
also
maintains
their
employees
and
maintains
their
ability
to
pay
their
rent
their
and
their
housing
where
they
live.
So
it's
a
whole
trickle-down
effect.
E
If
we
move
these
small
businesses,
if
we're
going
to
designate
these
areas
to
build
residential
housing,
I'm
fine
with
that,
but
please,
let's
shoot
higher
than
600
and
I
agreed
about
I,
understand
the
whole
er
and
then
desire
not
to
do
that.
But
if
we're
gonna
go
to
this
effort,
we
should
be
building
more
than
600
units
and
not
taking
600
units
from
someplace
else.
Okay,.
A
A
H
Thank
you,
Harvey
now,
I
want
to
and
second
the
comments
that
councilmember
Foley
made.
I,
don't
know
your
name
in
the
corner.
When
are
you
talking
about
small
businesses,
because
I've
talked
to
I
live
in
Lowell
Glen
and
the
north
end
of
Willow,
Glen
and
I've
talked
to
a
number
of
small
business
owners
on
Lincoln
Avenue
who
have
concerns
because
they've
got
their
in
buildings
that
were
built
in
the
40s
50s.
H
The
they're,
not
they're,
kind
of
shabby
but
they're,
okay,
and
because
of
the
the
pedestrian
traffic
on
will
on
Lincoln
Avenue
they're,
very
successful
for
a
fairly
low
rent
and
they're
very
concerned
about
being
displaced,
and
where
would
they
go
and,
as
councilmember
Foley
said,
just
losing
that
one
area
is
to
be
devastating
to
their
entire
business
model
because
they
can't
really
be
relocated.
They
won't
get
the
same
kinds
of
amenities.
H
That
said,
I
talked
to
Michael
Mulcahy,
who
is
a
managing
partner
of
next-gen
partners,
which
holds
a
lot
of
the
land
on
Lincoln
Avenue,
particularly
on
the
west
side,
and
I've
always
wanted
to
see
businesses
when
they're
rebuilt
to
be
built
with
housing
above
it
and
I.
Think
that's
a
good
idea.
Iii
think
that
you
want
to
make
sure
that
you
keep
the
because
Lincoln
Avenue
is
pedestrian
friendly.
H
Now
we've
gone
through
that
whole
process
of
traffic
calming
and
and
putting
bike
lanes
down
and
and
slowing
the
traffic
and
putting
in
all
the
pedestrian
crossings
with
lighting
and
cetera.
We
want
to
not
kill
the
Golden
Goose
I.
Think
Lincoln
Avenue
is
one
of
the
major
areas
that
we
get
tax
revenue
from.
Is
that
not
correct.
H
Okay
and
so
I
want
to
make
sure
that
whatever
we
do
and
Michael
was
very
concerned
about
that,
whatever
we
do
does
not
kill
that
continuity
to
make
it
a
successful
business
district.
That
said,
what
are
you
going
to
do
in
terms
of
the
differences
in
the
lot
sizes
on
the
west
side
and
the
east
side?
The
east
side
of
Lincoln
Avenue
has
very
narrow,
not
very
deep
lots.
The
west
side
has
much
much
deeper
lot
that
would
support
much
more
higher
density
housing.
So
that's.
D
Yeah
I
mean
we're
not
proposing,
at
least
at
this
level,
to
propose
a
difference
from
the
west
side
of
the
east
side.
I
mean
they
make.
You
know
what
we're
seeing
is
sorry
to
see
is
more
and
more
interested
and
and
feasibility
into
the
helping
smaller
site.
So
someone
could
make
it
work
on
the
east
or
the
west
side.
I
think
this
proposal
would
support
that.
What's
really
critical
is
ensuring
that
you
have
the
space,
the
depth
that
works
for
retail
and
small
businesses,
and
so
we
have
designed
guidelines
that
address
that.
H
C
The
discussion
around
small
business
displacement
we
wanted
to
be
sensitive
to
that
and
balance
those
concerns
and
which
is
you
know
partially?
Why
we're
looking
at
it?
We
think
that's
a
good
approach
with
six
hundred
units
and
if
it's
a
success
and
we
see
successful
projects
move
forward,
then
certainly
it
would
make
sense
to
shift
more
units
or,
as
we
add
units
to
the
general
plan,
either
through
the
housing
element,
update
or
future
for
your
reviews
or
comprehensive
updates
at
the
general
plan.
We
could
do
move
units
as
needed
at
that
time.
Okay,.
I
Thank
you,
I
have
a
question
and
then
kind
of
overall
comment
and
you'd
kind
of
answer.
The
question
at
the
end
of
it
I'm
kind
of
curious
as
to
what
the
current
vacancy
rates
are
along
these
corridors
and
I,
don't
know
if
I've
missed
it
in
the
readings
or
not,
and
I
asked
that,
because
after
shila's
comment,
I
realize
I
share
a
lot
of
the
same
concerns
in
that
I
want
to
be
part
of
the
solution
that
builds
housing
in
our
city.
I
What
is
hard
to
kind
of
negotiate
is
we're
targeting
neighborhoods
that
are
the
greatest
attractions
of
our
city
and
it
almost
seems
like
we
are
putting
a
lot
of
pressure
on
destinations
that
we
want
to
already
highlight.
I
want
to
acknowledge
that
there
is
a
possibility
that
having
additional
housing
in
these
neighborhoods
could
add
to
it,
but
there's
also
a
risk
and
if
we
do
have
one
or
three
last
Japan
towns,
if
you
do
have
Kyoto
willow,
which
has
one
of
the
best
sushi
burrito,
like
kind
of
like
mixes
you're,.
I
I
These
are
two
very
important
things
for
cities,
some
of
the
most
place,
defining
elements
of
our
city
and
addressing
the
extreme
need
for
housing
here
and
I
hate
to
be
in
the
position
where
we
have
to
negotiate
both
of
them.
If
there's
other
opportunities
where
we
could
find
more
housing,
and
so
my
first
question
is
where
the
current
vacancy
rates
in
them-
and
the
second
is,
if
you
could
just
respond
overall.
L
Yes,
sir
I,
don't
think
we
have
this
specific
vacancy
rates
on
the
corridors,
but
we
can
certainly
pull
those.
That's
information
that
we
have
available
generally
throughout
the
city.
Commercial
vacancy
for
retail
is,
is
low
and
generally,
what
we
see
is
in
our
neighborhood
business
districts.
It's
it's
lower
than
the
sort
of
broader
retail
sentence,
including
the
strip
centers,
and
places
like
that.
So
so,
generally
speaking,
yeah
most
of
the
spaces
are
filled,
I.
O
Think
the
one
point
I'd
like
to
add
to
that
is:
we
did
some
analysis
of
how
long
businesses
have
been
located
in
the
neighborhoods
and
certainly
in
Cali
willow.
Willow,
glen
and
Japantown
businesses
on
average
have
been
located
there
for
over
ten
years.
That
gives
you
a
sense
of
stability
and
when
I
personally
walk
up
and
down
Alum
Rock
Avenue
and
look
at
individual
premises.
O
O
You've
got
to
get
really
into
the
granularity
of
each
of
these
particular
neighborhoods
to
understand
location
and
sometimes
a
headline
statistic
of
sort
of
two
percent
or
ten
percent,
as
a
vacancy
rate
can
be
a
bit
misleading
to
the
actual
nuance
of
what
it
is
in
in
in
the
street
itself,
and
also
the
particular
requirements
of
a
landlord
or
the
particular
needs
of
a
tenant.
Make
make
that
on
occasion
a
difficult
judgement
to
call
as
to
whether
an
area
is
being
successful
or
not?
O
The
other
point
that
was
asked
around
sales
tax
and
from
looking
at
some
of
them.
The
broader
figures,
not
the
specific
figures.
These
these.
These
neighborhoods
are
remarkably
consistent
in
in
in
the
sales
tax
that
is
produced
and
that's
another
indicator
of
stability,
and
you
wouldn't
compare
those
neighborhoods
to
say
major
shopping
malls
for
in
students
in
terms
of
the
amount
of
sales
tax
being
produced.
What
you
would
look
for
is
the
range
of
sales
taxes
produced
over
the
years
and-
and
you
can
see
within
within
three
of
the
four
neighborhoods
again
a
consistent
picture.
O
A
G
I
think
the
overall
concept
of
what's
being
tried
here,
promote
it
makes
a
lot
of
sense
as
far
as
increasing
the
housing
and
trying
to
maintain
the
commercial
districts,
because
we
want
to
make
sure
we
keep
our
jobs
here.
We
have
an
incredible
deficit
from
a
city
perspective
and
we
also
need
a
lot
more
housing,
but
it's
very
bad
on
what's
being
proposed,
as
you
can
tell
by
the
questions
that
are
all
being
asked
here.
G
For
example,
when
you
go
to
three
here,
it
says
how
many
stories
we
don't
know
how
many
dwelling
units
we
don't
know.
So,
where
is
that
600
number
come
from?
If
we
really
don't
know
how
we're
gonna
be
allocating
it
and
then
also
what's
being
applied
to
places
where
we
actually
need
to
promote
this
kind
of
policy.
But
we
want
to
see
additional
development.
We
want
to
see
this
area's
revitalized
and
it's
being
applied
areas
as
we
mentioned
Willow
Glen,
where
we
don't
want
when
we
may
not
necessarily
want
to
see
it
there.
G
So
there's
a
lot
of
confusion
and
my
from
my
perspective
as
to
how
we
really
want
to
apply
these
these
policies.
They
make
they
make
sense
from
a
high
level,
but
when
we
get
in
the
details
you
know
they,
it
gets
very
bad,
so
I'm
really
not
sure
how
weather
just
like
support
or
not
with
the
way
it's
currently
written,
Thank.
E
So
I
wanted
to
also
talk
about
the
details
and
more
from
practical
side
of
things.
So
if
we
start
from
the
position
that
we
generally
support
the
policy
that
we
want
to
preserve
our
business
businesses
and
also
encourage
residential
one
thing
that
I
was
struck
in
looking
at
the
lot
sizes,
in
particular,
of
the
most
of
the
places
in
these
business
districts.
Is
that
they're,
really
small
and
many
of
the
businesses
are
connected.
E
There's
no
driveway,
that's
accessible
at
the
front
and
I
wonder
if
we're
not
talking
about
parking
and
particularly
what
our
parking
requirements
are
going
to
be
for
the
residential,
then
we're
essentially
creating
phantom
residential
units,
because
if
we
don't,
if
we're
requiring
the
parking
requirements
at
the
same
level
that
we
require
for
the
rest
of
the
city,
if
the
driveways
need
to
be
two-way,
driveways
that
are
26
feet
wide.
Those
are
going
to
basically
eat
up
all
of
the
ground
floor
and
you're
not
going
to
be
able
to
adaptively
reuse.
E
Is
it
preserving
our
existing
businesses
as
they
are
and
adding
residential
or
is
it
parking
and
if
it's
parking
in
there,
that
is
not
going
to
allow
us
to
develop
the
vast
majority
of
the
sites
and
those
neighborhood
business
districts,
so
I
think
that
needs
to
be
part
of
the
conversation
and
really
a
practical
consideration,
because
when
I
looked
at
the
Charette
I
was
like
that's
not
what
our
Lots
look
like
and
that's
not
a
hundred
percent
complacent
of
the
commercial
spot.
If
there's
no
parking
lots
on
there.
A
D
E
Been
my
that
makes
me
really
happy.
I'd
also
like
to
to
not
have
maximum
dwelling
units
be
part
of
the
conversation
either,
but
the
last
part
is
actually
on
the
building
code,
side
of
things
and
I.
Don't
know
if
there's
any
flexibility
or
something
to
also
think
about,
but
I
noticed
that
a
lot
of
these
buildings
are
attached
and
and
I.
You
know
when
I
think
about
the
similar
great
cities
and
New
York.
E
You
have
all
these
attached
residential
buildings,
but
I,
don't
think
that
complies
with
current
building
codes
and
so
I
also
wonder
how
do
you
put
residential
on
top
and
still
meet
current
building
codes
without
some
flexibility
and
that
I
don't
know
if
that's
something
that
that
can
even
happen?
But
thinking
about
like
how
could
somebody
actually
actually
build
residential
on
top
and
keep
the
existing
building?
So
those
are
just
some
things
that
I
wanted
us
to
think
about.
A
C
C
A
J
Thank
you
planning
and
economic
development
for
the
work
that
you've
done.
I'd
like
to
make
a
comment
about
the
Japan
town
overlay
I
was
initially
in
support
of
it,
because
I
think
there
are
certain
parcels
that
are
underutilized
along
that
stretch,
but
then
hearing
that
there's
a
potential
of
extending
to
five
or
six
stories
seems
very
unrealistic
to
me.
J
That's
already
seeing
a
lot
of
construction
has
had
a
very
deleterious
effect
on
our
businesses
and
I,
even
though
I
do
agree
with
the
climate
change
like
the
the
movement
towards
reducing
the
number
of
cars
on
our
street
ways,
it
is
kind
of
unrealistic
for
our
neighborhood
just
right
now
in
the
sense
of
adding
more
density
without
the
infrastructure,
because
it
is
impossible
to
get
in
and
out
of
our
neighborhood.
During
rush
hour.
Due
to
the
changes
on
heading
Street,
we
have
a
greater
number
of
accidents.
We've
had
increased
pedestrian
accidents
as
well.
K
With
these
first
two
questions
first,
it
would
be
good
to
hear
from
staff
why
these
particular
districts
I
think
you've
heard
some
concerns
that
go
throughout
the
the
committee
around
you
know
some
particularly
sensitive
communities
that
are
looking
to
be
potentially
up
sewn
here,
so
I'd
be
good
to
hear
why
why
these,
but
then
also
it
just
strikes
me
since
it
largely
this-
is
older
commercial
stock
that
there,
with
this
kind
of
up
zoning,
there's
a
potential
for
possibly
some
how
you
capture
here
and
what?
What
has
staff
that
thinking
about?
K
K
It
just
seems
like
it
just
echoes
to
me
the
the
effort
to
kind
of
focus
on
building
out
density
in
our
rent,
restricted
apartments
that
were
we're
going
after
areas
where
you
have
highly
functioning
long-standing
minority
owned
immigrant
owned
businesses
and
trying
to
get
density
there
well
not
really
kind
of
coping
with
helping
those
communities
to
deal
with
the
kind
of
knock-on
effects
of
that
development.
Uh-Huh.
K
Q
D
Kris
is
thinking
so,
while
he's
doing
that
I
think
so
why
why
these
been
biddies?
So
also
there
are
two
groups
of
N
biddies
in
the
city:
there's
those
that
are
urban
villages
and
allow
housing
through
that
process
did
you've
heard
about
then
there's
I
think
five
of
them
which
are
not
or
which
are
not
urban
villages
and
don't
a
lot
of
housing.
So
what
we're
proposing
is
to
allow
housing
at
those
urban,
those
remaining
n
biddies
that
currently
do
not
allow
housing.
So
it's
we
weren't
singling
out
anyone
it's
basically.
L
Into
the
the
value
capture,
question
I
think
it's
something
that
we're
looking
at
much
more
broadly
at
the
moment.
Obviously,
understanding
the
impacts
of
changes
in
state
law
on
the
sort
of
urban
village
amenities
program
in
other
parts
of
the
city
is
really
changing
our
thinking
about
how
we
approach
that
topic,
so
there's
probably
opportunity
for
it
in
these
areas.
Misters
we're
gonna
have
to
think
of
that
as
part
of
a
larger
strategy.
N
N
So
first
I
want
to
note
that
I
believe
that
there's
two
sets
of
recommendations
and
I
am
NOT
going
to
talk
about
this
slide,
not
the
confusion,
not
the
600
and
show
unit
spooled
in
between
five
areas
and
I
want
to
say
that
I
believe
small
businesses
have
not
outlived
their
usefulness,
I
think
it's
chicken
versus
egg
I
think
we're
seeing
small
businesses
and
we're
saying
well
there's
blight
in
that
area.
Well,
no!
N
It's
because
you
haven't
redeveloped
anything
and
that's
why
the
blight
is
there,
so
I
think
that
many
small
businesses
are
successful
bazaar
despite
the
blight
we've
heard
it
right
and
so
they're
surviving
I
appreciate
the
city's
anti
displacement
efforts.
I
agree
that
if
more
can
be
done,
it
would
be
great
I
agree
with
his
Susan's
on
the
task
force
that
we
need
an
anti
displacement
policy
for
both
small
businesses
and
affordable
housing,
and
so
now
I
get
to
the
good
news,
which
is
that
I'm
talking
about
a
thousand
units?
N
B
B
Q
So
I
wanted
to
were
wrapping
up,
which
is
great,
I,
think
we're
moving
to
a
motion,
and
so
I
I
was
hoping
that
stuff
could
just
clarify
exactly
what
the
recommendation
is
and
how
strong,
I
guess,
I'm
I've
seen
language
talking
about
preserving
neighborhood
business
districts
and
then
that
language
doesn't
necessarily
refer
to
it.
So
I'm
confused
about
like
what
is
the
current
policy?
Q
What
are
we
voting
on
and
I
guess
I
want
to
be
assured
that
there
is
like
real,
strong
commitment
to
making
sure
that
we're
preserving
these
assets
and
and
I
think
one
said
you
know
he
said:
if
we're
doing
this,
you
want
to
make
sure
it's
strong
and
I.
Don't
necessarily
want
it
to
be
an
if
I
want
it
to
be
like
and
I
think
we're
all
on
the
same
page
like
I.
Think
staff
wants
to
do
this
too,
and
so
part
of
me
saying
this
is
just
to
like
underscore.
Q
These
are
really
important
assets
and
we
are
creating
the
environment
that
is
causing
a
potential
displacement
by
increasing
pressure
to
develop
these
areas.
So
we
are
causing
this
with
the
city
through
policies
and
potentially
enriching
people
who
own
the
property,
and
so
there's
got
to
be
a
way
of
figuring
out
whether
its
value
capture,
whatever
it
is,
of
making
sure
that
it's
you
know
as
I
understand
it,
and
this
isn't
to
be
critical.
It's
probably
within
the
limitations
of
what
you
can
do,
but
it's
more
than
you
know
here.
Let
me
give
you
access
to.
Q
Let
me
help
you
get
access
to
capital,
because
even
that
is
you
know,
people
are
just
they
can't
even
leave
for
maternity
leave.
You
know
so
just
I
just
want
to
underscore
that
and
then
I
just
had
to
respond
to
a
point
earlier.
That
said,
rent
control
doesn't
work
because
I
am
a
product
of
rent
control
and
I
am
very
special
and
it
works.
I
I
just
want
to
say
that
I've
got
a
little
bit
uncomfortable
with
some
of
just
where
the
conversation
was
going.
Where
were
pity
housing
against
businesses
and
I
think
it's
just
a
false
choice,
and
it's
just
this
this
lens
in
this
frame
that
I
think
doesn't
has
not
done
the
city
well
with
any
of
its
planning
and
I
just
want
us
to
be
thoughtful
of
that
when
we're
talking
about
housing
like
invading
or
housing,
you
know
you
know
coming
into
these
areas
that
are
good
and
stable,
as
if
housing
is
a
bad
thing.
I
Housing
is
not
negative.
I
support
this,
because
I
am
really
concerned
about
the
areas
where
there
has
been
thriving
longtime
businesses
and
they
get
you
know
taken
away
and
not
replace
with
any
commercial.
But
that's
not
what
the
policy
says.
The
policy
here
says
that
that
commercial
space
has
to
be
replaced.
So
maybe
there's
gonna
be
some
temporary
disruption,
but
the
places
will
still
be
there,
but
they'll
be
added
to
it
with
smaller
apartments
that
are
more
affordable
for
people
to
rent
and
then.
Finally,
the
last
thing
I
want
to
say
is
I'd
I.
I
Think
it's
too
modest
of
a
policy
I'd
love
to
see
more
units,
but
I'm
gonna
support
it,
because
you
know
if
this
brings
apartments
to
downtown
Willow,
Glen
I'm
gonna
be
all
for
it.
Willow
Glen
doesn't
have
apartments
not
because
people
are
trying
to
preserve
the
business
space.
Willow
Glen
doesn't
have
apartments
because
they're
trying
to
keep
low
and
moderate
income
people
out
of
Willow
Glen,
and
so
this
gets
some
affordable
housing
in
the
Willow
Glen
I'll
be
all
for
it.
Thank.
J
Well,
I
just
wanted
to
make
a
comment,
a
lot
of
good
comments
here
this
evening.
A
lot
of
concerns
that
have
been
brought
up
I
also
would
support.
I
questioned
the
limit
of
six
hundred
units,
but
I
think
it's
important
with
and
I
want
to
just
raise
you
doing
a
lot
of
these
neighborhood
business
districts.
Each
site
is
not
exactly
the
same.
We
have
sites
that
have
basically
parking
lots
and
back
to
them.
I'll
use
Willow,
Glen,
Lincoln
Avenue
is
one
example.
J
We
should
try
to
work
with
staff
and
staff
work
with
us
and
our
existing
businesses
and
see
if
we
can't
put
more
units
in
our
neighborhood
business
districts
creates
the
foot
traffic
adds
the
opportunity
for
some
some
financial
investment
to
refresh,
because
even
Lincoln
Avenue
and
it
is
a
joy,
but
it
needs
refreshing
every
so
often
as
well.
So
I
would
just
say
that
I
don't
think
this
is
the
end-all
be-all
of
how
we're
going
to
deal
with
housing.
A
J
Said
a
lot
of
the
things
I
I
needed
to
hear
what
staff
has
been
emphasizing
is.
This
is
600
units
of
a
pool
that
we're
gonna
see
if
it
works
every
one
of
those
little
narrow,
Lots
isn't
going
to
be
developed
with
four
stories
of
apartments.
Many
of
those
little
narrow,
Lots
won't
ever
be
redeveloped.
Some
of
them
will
ingenuity
is
amazing
when
it
really
is
applied.
One
of
the
problems
of
having
planning
commissioners
on
this
particular
body
is
you
want
to
see
the
plans
in
the
driveway
in
the
setback.
J
J
It's
beta
testing
a
new
idea,
maybe
it'll
work,
maybe
it'll
just
work
a
little
bit,
maybe
it'll
be
a
fabulous
success,
but
we
won't
know
for
a
while,
and
you
know
it
isn't
all
going
to
happen
this
year
and
subsequent
general
plans
will
have
a
chance
to
decide
exactly
how
tall
the
building
should
be
in
Japan
town
and
Willows
on
Willow
Street.
There's
going
to
be
plenty
of
time
to
after
they
triple
arena
or
quadruple
it
or
whatever
it
is.
P
Okay
hi,
my
name
is
Pat
Gormley
and
I
live
in
North,
Willow,
Glen
and
I've
lived
here
for
about
35
years
and
I
have
spent
a
lot
of
time
on
cattle
willow,
as
well
as
Lincoln
Avenue,
and
just
a
couple
of
comments
Colin
willow.
If
you
go
there
early
on
a
weekday
or
even
I,
know
on
the
weekend,
it's
bustling,
it's
vibrant!
P
If
you
go
if
I
Drive
home
now
through
there,
it's
bustling
and
it's
not-
bustle,
it's
good
stuff,
it's
stuff
that
makes
community
on
Lincoln
Avenue,
there's
a
different
type
of
bustle,
but
on
Lincoln
Avenue,
the
rents
have
gone
up
there
at
least
three
storefronts
that
are
vacant,
and
you
know
some
of
those
businesses
were
very
good.
I
used
to
patronize
them
and
they're
gone
so
I'm
wondering
about
this
notion
about
turning
cow
willow
into
business
with
high-density
housing.
I
have
the
opportunity,
as
in
a
service
I
provide
to
people.
P
Many
of
the
clients
are
from
that
neighborhood
and
I
know
they.
They
barely
make
it
so
I
doubt
very
much
of
those
folks
are
going
to
be
living
in
those
fair
market
apartments,
fair
market,
rent
apartments
or
even,
if
they're,
slightly
below
market
they're.
Not
they
can't
afford
it.
So
what
are
you
going
to
do?
You're
going
to
end
up
populating
that
area
with
people
who
don't
share
the
community
of
the
neighborhood
and
slowly
or
maybe
quickly,
you're
going
to
destroy
the
community
that
made
it
a
good
place
to
go?
P
S
I
actually
and
I'm
concerned
that,
basically,
you
have
not
had
an
open
discussion
with
the
people
who
are
going
to
be
affected
by
this.
You
haven't.
Basically,
I
was
a
small
business
person
for
thirty
years.
If
I
was
hearing,
this
I'd
be
upset
and
I
think
one
of
the
things
that
happens
a
small
business.
It's
a
way
for
people
to
get
up
into
the
you
know
into
the
middle
class.
They
start
off
as
immigrants
or
whoever
they
come
in
the
city
and
they
get
in
the
middle
class.
S
That
way,
they've
worked
their
way
up
by
hard
work
and
what
you're
doing
is
you're
killing
off
that,
especially
for
women
and
other
minorities,
and
so
what
should
you
haven't
done?
The
reach
outreach
that
you
need
to
do.
You
have
a
number
of
people
who
have
been
appointed
here
to
represent
each
district
and
I
can
tell
you
almost
all
of
the
people
who've
under
that
list.
They
haven't
talked
to
anybody
in
the
district.
They
haven't
come
to
the
district
leader
group
at
all.
They
haven't
basically
talked
to
the
neighborhood
people
at
all.
It's
ridiculous.
S
The
way
you're
doing
this,
it's
if
you're
as
the
comment
was,
if
you
want
to
ruin,
Willow,
Glen
and
everything
else,
you're
well
on
the
path
to
do
that,
but
you
need
go
and
take
a
look
at
the
comments
that
have
fully
made
and
made,
and
other
people
made
that
this
thing
needs
to
be
pushed
back
and
and
bring
the
people
in
and
talk
about
it.
Otherwise,
you're
gonna
have
a
problem
and
it's
gonna
be
a
big
problem
and
you're
gonna
have
a
big
revolt
in
the
community.
Thank
you.
Thank.
A
K
Hi,
my
name
is
Fred
boos,
oh
I'm,
from
AARP,
California
and
I'm
only
here
really
to
talk
about
North,
13th
Street,
because
that
is
the
only
area
that
we
studied.
You
saw
one
of
the
slides
from
our
Charette.
The
reason
that
we
chose
North
13th
Street
to
to
focus
on
is
because
that
was
based
on
a
on
a
council
memo
that
was
passed
and
adopted
by
the
City
Council
in
September
of
2017,
and
so
and
in
that
memo.
K
You'll
you'll
see
that
the
council
and
the
mayor
voted
to
look
at
what
they
called
underutilized
business
districts.
North
13th
Street
was
one
calle
willows
mentioned
there
and
so
are
still,
and
so
a
story
road.
So
that
kind
of
began
the
ball
rolling,
I
think
for
those
business
districts,
but
we
focused
on
North,
13th
Street,
and
what
we
found
was
that
a
lot
of
people
are
already
living
there.
So
the
point
of
focusing
on
North
13th
Street
wasn't
hey
how
much
housing
can
we
build?
Who
want
to
just
build
dense
housing?
And
that
was
it.
K
It
was
about
building
good
neighborhoods,
and
so
when
we
went
there,
we
talked
to
business
owners
to
property
owners
to
neighborhood
folks,
and
we
realized
there's
already
a
lot
of
mixed-use
on
that
Street.
Some
of
it
has
been
around
for
over
a
hundred
years
and
you'll
be
surprised
what
you
can
get
on
one
lot
and
what.
P
K
T
K
K
Q
My
name
is
Allie
I
live
in
the
Japantown
Hensley
neighborhood
and
I
just
wanted
to
share
two
comments:
I
100%
support,
councilmember
Foley
and
many
of
the
others
that
made
a
comment
that
we
need
to
see
more
than
six
hundred
units
and
not
six
hundred
units
that
are
borrowed
from
another
plan.
We
need
more
housing
in
this
city,
like
Shiloh
I'm,
benefiting
from
living
in
a
rent-controlled
unit,
and
we
need
to
see
I
realize
we're,
not
gonna
get
more
rent
controlled
units,
but
we
need
to
see
more
units
across
the
board.
Q
Q
I
also
just
want
to
respond
to
another
public
comment
that
I
moved
here
two
and
a
half
years
ago,
and
I
am
fully
integrated
into
the
community
that
I
moved
into
and
so
I
think
it's
disrespectful
to
people
that
are
moving
to
the
city
from
elsewhere
to
say
that
when
more
housing
goes
into
a
neighborhood,
the
people
that
move
in
whether
or
not
they're
from
San
Jose
from
the
Bay
Area
from
California
that
they
are
not
going
to
join
the
community
I.
Think
that's
a
very
narrow-minded
comment.
J
J
E
J
D
J
T
T
Angus
Lou
I'm,
actually
from
a
little
bit
further
in
Santa
Clara,
is
a
San
Jose,
so
so
I
believe
in
free
markets.
I
believe
that
if
you
don't
enough
land
for
commercial
and
residential
development,
you
will
solve
the
issue
of
not
having
enough
space
to
build
apartments,
not
having
enough
space
for
small
businesses,
not
enough
space.
For
these
businesses
relocate
not
spaces
for
people
to
relocate,
I
think
we
should
expand.
T
The
areas
are
being
looked
at
so
that
we
can
up
zone
and
give
up
a
little
bit
more
I
mean
we're
not
sitting
here
in
saying
we
should
absorb
the
whole
city
from
here
to
the
mountains,
but
we're
saying
you
know
in
these
existing
business
areas
we
can
probably
do
better
than
the
cutting
bits
and
pieces
of
lots
and
saying
yeah.
You
can
build
a
strangely
shaped
apartment
here.
T
Rather,
if
you
took
the
whole
like
square
of
streets
surrounding
and
you
own
the
entire
blocks
of
time
now,
your
economics
start
to
work
out
for
developers
to
say
hey.
We
can
take
this
entire
area
and
build
integrated
business
and
housing
development.
In
that
way,
we
can
maximize
the
cost
and
reduce
the
prices
for
everybody
once
you
have
choices
and
ways
to
optimize
for
scale.
Thank.
J
Don't
I'm
not
a
ninja
and
I'm,
not
a
designer
I
would
not
want
to
presume
I
know,
but
I
do
think.
There
needs
to
be
the
ability
for
those
that
do
that
kind
of
work
and
that
expertise
to
offer
alternatives,
and
yet
knowing
what
the
intent
and
the
the
goal
is,
is
to
maintain
and
preserve
the
character
of
these
neighborhood
streets.
So.
G
G
Already,
thank
you
I,
just
I'd
like
to
just
actually
you
know
direct
staff
to
think
again.
This
is
a
parcel.
It
was
it's
been
mentioned,
Melanie
mentioned
it.
Others
have
mentioned
it's
a
parcel
by
parcel
type
of
look
at
this.
You
know,
and
so
maybe
an
industrial
use.
That's
I
mean
you
have
industrial
uses
and
commercial
uses
as
full
replacement.
Again
we
heard
there
example
13th
Street
there.
You
know
there
needs
to
be
a
case-by-case
example.
So
maybe
a
story.
G
G
A
100%
of
approach,
it's
gonna
limit
density,
I
think
it's
gonna,
make
it
very
difficult
for
any
type
of
housing
to
be
built.
So
I
I
don't
have
the
answer,
but
I
think
Pat's
recommendation
to
look
a
little
bit
deeper
dive
deeper
and
provides
just
you
know,
not
necessarily
just
a
draconian
100%.
It's.
J
Think
Pat
has
a
slight
revision,
yes,
and,
and
so
I
would
I
would
say
on
a
case
by
case
site
by
site
and
half
staff,
take
a
look,
and
by
the
time
you
come
back
to
council
that
can
be
flushed
out
and
with
more
more
direct
and
I
also
wanted
to
advise
that.
My
motion
does
not
include
number
one,
because
we
have
not
discussed.
A
J
I
totally
agree
that
we
need
to
increase
the
housing
supply,
as
well
as
the
sustaining
the
businesses
and
that's
very
important
to
keep
in
mind.
My
comment
was
about
me.
You
know:
have
we
engaged
the
community
just
like
some
of
our
public
members
share,
so
I'd
like
to
make
sure
that
we
add
into
our.
J
M
H
M
Junus,
if
it's
possible
to
increase
the
amount
of
journeys,
I
think
there
will
be
also
something
to
look
at
again.
I
think
I
can
comment
on
that.
If
we
can
attach
and
I,
don't
know
how
to
say
it
to
include
on
their
recommendations
to
have
a
an
anti
displacement
attached
to
is
one
of
these
recommendations.
I.
J
Struggle
with
that,
because
that's
the
city
policy,
it's
not
a
land
use
issue,
it's
not
a
land
use
which
the
general
plan
is
land
use.
So
I,
don't
believe
saying
we
have
to
have
a
policy
attached
to
a
land.
Use
of
the
general
plan
is
right
and
I
know
the
city
is
working
on
anti
displacement
policies,
but
they're
going
to
come
in
in
another
mode
in
another
manner
to
the
council
and.
E
I
was
just
gonna
comment
about
the
outreach
we
we
seem
to
talk
about
outreach
every
time
we
have
one
of
these
task
force.
Meetings
and
I
assure
you
that
every
developer,
who
is
bringing
a
project
forth
to
City
Council,
will
have
to
do
tremendous
level
of
outreach
before
it
actually
gets
to
gets
to
our
level.
So
there's
a
plan
in
place
for
outreach
that
already
is
required
to
be
implemented.
So
I
really
don't
think
we
need
that
in
the
motion.
Q
Piece
and
if
it's,
if
there's
a
difference
between
what
we
can
do
in
terms
of
a
land
use
versus
policy,
I'm
wondering
if
staff
can
advise
on
how
we
might
achieve
the
goal
that
we've
the
concern
that
has
been
raised
here
and
and
again
going
back
to
what
really
are
RFI
like?
What
are
the
anti
displacement
pieces
that
we
have
currently
in
place
that
can
address
that
concern.
D
I
think
what
we've
heard
Charlie
you
mentioned
this
and
a
couple
other
people
mentioned
this-
is
that
we
are
talking
about
land
use,
changes
there,
but
I
think
the
issue
of
this
placement
we've
heard
is
really
a
concern
to
many
people,
and
so,
as
we
go
for
land
ease
proposals,
we
can't
ignore
that
issue.
We
need
to
come
up
with
some
thoughtful
approaches
of
strategies
at
how
we
could
mitigate
that,
or
perhaps
in
many
cases,
perhaps
prevent
that
or
just
look
at
how
we
would
deal
with
that.
D
D
So
those
are
the
kind
of
things
that
we
look
at
so
I
think
that's
so
that
I
mean
that's
what
we're
hearing.
We
haven't
heard
a
motion
on
that,
but
we've
heard
we've
heard
some
comments
that
staff
that
this
house
wants
members
wants
to
ensure
that
we
are
thinking
and
coming
up
with
approaches.
As
this
moves
forward,
it
gets
put
in
place,
Thank.
K
To
include
compliance
similar
to
complying
with
the
city
design
guidelines
if
we
could
put
a
placeholder
in
for
complying
with
the
city's
anti
displacement
small
business
policy
just
so
that
we
make
sure
that
is,
you
know,
developers
are
benefiting
from
this
particular
increase
in
value
from
the
changes
that
you
know,
they're
they're
complying
with
whatever
that
forthcoming
policy
is
additionally
and
I
struggling
with
the
line
edit
here.
But
perhaps
if
we
could
similar
to
how
the
city
pursued
an
incentive
or
is
studying
an
incentive
zoning
policy
before
it
will
begin
implementing
the
Oei
policy.
K
A
E
K
So
so
so
right
now,
the
city
of
San
Jose
is
doing
a
study
around
an
incentive
zoning
policy
in
the
Deardon
area,
and
my
understanding
is
that
there's
some
looking
at
that
study
for
other
types
of
land-use
changes.
Could
we
direct
staff
to
be
examining
a
value
capture
policy
and
incentive
zoning
policy
for
capturing
the
value
of
those
changes.
A
M
M
A
K
K
A
H
B
H
H
R
A
Q
A
G
G
Think
the
big
picture
here
that
I
do
think,
there's
general
consensus
on
was
we
wanted
to
provide
that
opportunity,
as
well
as
in
neighborhood
districts,
I,
think
the
difficulty
here
was
when
we
get
into
very
specific
recommendations
here
that
are
on
under
number
three
and
now
a
number
seven
that's
been
added
to
that
are
going
to
be
at
it
or
was
at
it.
A
lot
of
these
are
already
undefined
and
it
does
create
confusion,
I
think
Bob.
You
were
talking
about
it
Tamiko.
G
You
were
bringing
up
things
about
that,
and
it
just
shows
the
difficulty
of
trying
to
adopt
some
policies
that
may
have
an
application
in
different
areas
that
some
of
us
like,
and
some
of
us
don't
like,
and
so
my
preference
is,
if
we
had
voted
on
this,
would
be
actually
just
to
allow
this
kind
of
specific
planning
to
occur
outside
of
this
process
and
involve
the
community,
as
was
suggested
I.
Think,
though,
it
would
be
good
consensus
on
many
things
like,
for
instance,
on
this
100%
commercial.
G
There
are
very
critical
important
areas
in
some
of
our
MB
DS.
You
would
want
that
replaced
and
because
it
might
otherwise
encourage
displacement.
There
are
other
areas
and
NB
DS
like
on
13th,
Street
and
I.
Think
fred
was
mentioning
this
that
have
had
businesses
on
it
that
have
been
vacant
for
decades.
G
So
I
don't
know
if
that
has
any
impact
on
what
people
want
to
do
with
the
motion
that
was
just
voted
on,
but
I
just
wanted
to
explain
where
I
come
on
this,
because
I
certainly
don't
want
to
and
I'm
sure
there
are
other
people
who
voted
no,
who
also
support
residential
development
and
neighborhood
dist
business
districts,
but
just
had
some
problems
with
the
complexity
of
this.
Thank.
A
G
A
K
A
K
It
Jeffery
before
so
right
now
with
the
overlay
in
particular,
and
the
the
increase
of
capacity
and
number
number
one
and
number
three
the
the
combination
of
those
two
activities
for
current
landowners.
This
this
may
well
increase
the
value
of
this
land,
so
the
proposal
would
be
to
for
staff
to
come
back
with
a
value
capture
mechanism
so
that
we
get
a
value.
K
What's
the
financial
value
of
these
particular
increases
in
capacity
and
to
come
back
with
what
kind
of
tools
could
we
utilize
as
before
we
before
the
decisions
are
made
to
increase
this
capacity,
that
we
have
some
kind
of
a
policy
in
place
to
capture
that
value,
because,
essentially,
once
once,
decisions
are
made
to
amend
the
general
plan
to
amend
this
particular
overlay,
the
opportunity
to
actually
capture
any
value.
That's
created
by
these
changes
for
folks
that
currently
own,
this
land
will
have
lost
it.
A
A
Yeah
I
see
I,
see
it
I
see
it
there.
Okay,
we'll
start
on
this
side.
Let's
start
with
Harvey
and
I.
Just
wanted
just
to
clarify
one
I
will
call
you
first
at
the
next
one,
but
I
will
not
guarantee
that
we're
going
in
order
of
when
put
people
put
their
name
plays
up.
It's
just
not
physically
possible
I'm.
Happy
to
call
you
first
on
the
next
item,
though
Harvey
okay.
H
Thank
you
I
support
the
motion
as
a
member
of
the
sack
where
we're
working
with
Google
on
cap,
the
value
capture
from
their
properties
and
creating
community
benefits
and
a
displacement
possibilities.
I
see.
This
is
one
where
we
could
take
that
added
value.
Put
it
into
programs
to
help
small
businesses,
particularly
minority
businesses,
have
subsidized
rents
in
the
new,
more
expensive
buildings
that
are
provided.
A
D
B
A
J
A
G
A
E
Very
brief
on
this.
My
concern
with
this
is
that
we
are
kind
of
shoehorning
in
some
of
these
broader
concerns
and
pride
or
policy
concerns,
whether
it's
an
ting
to
put
displacement
or
value
creation
into
a
very
specific
area
of
San
Jose,
and
if
these
are
important
things
that
we
need
to
consider,
those
should
be
policies
that
we
are
putting
into
place
broadly,
not
just
for
the
people
who
happen
to
be
lucky
enough
to
live
within
the
neighborhood
business
districts.
E
There's
other
businesses
that
are
going
to
be
displaced
and
if
we
think
it's
important
not
to
displace
them
or
they
should
be
compensated,
then
those
policies
should
be
applied
more
broadly
and
I.
Think
I
think
when
we
start
to
sort
of
add
these
little
things
into
and
add.
The
specifics
to
David's
point
were
maybe
taking
away
the
opportunity
to
have
these
broader
conversations
and
more
broadly
applicable
policies.
Thank.
I
A
A
A
A
How
we
good
okay
and
then
any
abstentions,
I
think
that
is
helpful.
We
have
his
sous
one
abstention,
Oh
I
apologize,
Steve
right!
Thank
you!
So
much
all
right.
Thank
you
all.
Why
don't
we
move
motion
fails?
Yes,
why
don't
we
go
to
the
final
item
in
this
section
of
this,
the
staff
presentation.
Thank
you.
B
So
here
at
sternal,
NBP
is
a
corridor
found
by
us
one
one
three
way
to
sell:
lower
Silvercreek
to
the
north,
approximately
1.8
miles
long
and
106
acres
now
within
the
NBD.
Sorry,
overlapping.
The
NVD
in
a
larger
area
is
the
story.
Road
employment
lands,
growth
area.
It
currently
has
planned
for
1800
new
jobs
and
encompasses
223
acres.
B
The
current
public
transit
is
a
VT
line,
number
25
that
runs
through
the
story:
road
NBD,
providing
local
service
12
to
50
minutes
a
week
days
and
as
part
of
the
East
Ridge
to
Bart
regional
connector,
Capitol
Expressway
Light
Rail
project.
A
future
light
rail
station
is
anticipated
at
the
intersection
of
story,
Road
and
Capitol
Expressway
so
shown
here
in
the
image.
This
enmity
is
auto
oriented
with
two
or
three
lanes
each
directions.
Buildings
are
mainly
single-story
and
set
to
the
rear
and
parking
lots
located
near
the
street.
B
Frontage
physical
characteristics
in
the
nvd
are
opens
commercial
centers
shop.
Centures
were
surface
parking
lots,
so
here's
staff
recommendation
so
establish
a
story.
Road
employment
lands,
growth
area
as
a
local
transit
urban
village,
keep
the
1800
plan
jobs
and
allocate
from
somewhere
else
a
real
residential
capacity
of
a
thousand
units
in
corporate
policies
and
strategies
from
the
citywide
residential
anti
displacement
strategy,
which
is
to
be
considered
by
City
Council
in
April
2020,
and
incorporate
policies
and
strategies
from
the
supporting
small
business
al-imran
pilot
program
program,
which
you've
heard
earlier,
and
that
concludes
that's
right.
Recommendations.
N
N
This
is
East
San,
Jose
and
at
the
time,
my
voice
that
we
deserve
opportunity
and
equity
as
well
and
I
appreciate,
given
the
housing
crisis
that
this
will
and
that's
the
good
news,
a
thousand
units,
and
so
what
I
want
to
tell
you
is
that
this
area
deserves
an
urban
village.
We
heard
earlier
that
the
timing
matters
and
the
timing
does
matter
the
light
rail
station
is
coming.
N
What
I
see
is
that
it's
it's
stuck
in
the
past,
there's
less
and
less
business
traffic,
small
businesses
need
and
so
I
appreciate
that
what
we've
got
here
is
incorporate
policies
and
strategies
from
the
citywide
residential
anti
displacement
strategy
and
incorporate
policies
and
strategies
from
the
supporting
small
business.
Ellen
Rockpile
it
program,
so
I
think
that
we
are
considering
those
and
so
with
that
emotion
to
establish
a
story.
Road
employment
lands,
growth
area
as
a
local
transit
urban
village,
along
with
all
the
other
staff
recommendations
and
I
am
open
to
amendments
if
they
make
sense.
D
So
so,
first
Street
actually
is
already
an
urban
villa
from
first
Street
to
Kelly.
Park,
which
is
key,
is
not
that's
a
point
out
story
that
essentially
already
as
an
urban
village,
is
the
'martha
Gardens
specific
plan
area.
So
I,
don't
think,
there's
a
need
from
staff
perspective
to
do
there,
whether
there's
a
desire
to
expand
it
into
the
Little
Saigon
area.
That's
I
mean
that's,
not
something.
We've
thought
about
or
talked
about,
but
I
mean
it's
something
of
the
test
for
us
so
desired.
D
F
D
D
The
the
direction
we
got
was
I
think
going
back
to
someone
quoted
actually
a
memo
from
the
council
and
the
mayor
on
the
scope
was
looking
at
opportunities
for
housing,
how
you
could
integrate
housing
and
some
of
our
underutilized
business
corridors.
So
the
Little
Saigon
portion
of
story,
road
is,
is
not
a
neighborhood
business
district.
So
that's
why
our
scope
is
in
our
car
and
our
focus
has
been
on
an
NB
D.
It's
not
to
say
that
that
couldn't
be
considered
in
the
future.
D
I
I
Q
M
I
just
have
a
quick
comment
and
a
question.
First
I
want
to
mention
that
I
support
this
recommendation
and
I
think
you
think
to
stop
for
including
the
part
about
the
this
meaning
potential
area
to
support
the
small
business
program
for
a
small
business.
Anti
displacement.
I
believe
this
is
kind
of
what
I
was
wanting
to
include
on
the
other
recommendations.
I
I
mentioned
it
before
that
for
us
as
businesses,
it
is
great
to
know
that
we
have
bring
in
new
development
to
our
area
because
they
all
support
us
in
support.
M
Small
businesses
and,
as
you
mentioned,
I,
think
your
number
of
1800
new
jobs
is
that
what
you're,
considering
I
think
it
might
be
even
lower
than
with
what
it
will
actually
be,
because
he
might
be
more
than
that
as
long
as
you're,
preserving
the
businesses
that
are
there
at
this
time.
I
think
it
could
be
even
more
so
I
mean
in
support
of
this
recommendation.
I
just
have
one
question
on
the
previous
boat
that
we
had.
It
was
recommended
to
explore
the
bring
in
the
replacement
of
100%
amount
of
commercial
bringing
it
down.
B
C
Where
would
be
applicable
with
the
urban,
this
were
designated
at
urban
village.
So
if
a
affordable
project
were
proposed
under
the
task
force's
recommendation,
it
recommended
to
eliminate
the
requirement
for
any
commercial
space
for
a
hundred
percent,
affordable
project,
so
that
that
would
be
applicable
for
story
wrote
if,
if
become
our
urban
village
and.
M
A
A
M
A
C
A
H
H
S
N
C
C
The
it's
part
of
the
four-year
review
process
we're
not
contemplating
adding
additional
growth
capacity
to
the
general
plan,
so
it
needs
to
be
shifted
from
from
elsewhere
and
a
balanced
matter
and
we'll
certainly
can
provide
the
details
on
that.
We're
gonna
have
a
larger
discussion
on
where
capacities
would
be
shifting
around
based
on
all
the
different
work
items
that
that
relate
to
capacity.
G
A
A
I
can
talk
to
you.
Fine,
that's
fine!
Thank
you.
So
much
yeah
appreciate
it.
Okay.
The
next
topic
is
really
important
and
really
exciting.
I'd
love
to
see
us
get
through
the
present
staff
presentation
and
then
perhaps
some
public
comment
on
the
item.
I
doubt
that
we're
gonna
have
time
to
talk
about
the
recommendations
themselves,
but
hopefully
we'll
get
the
presentation
and
maybe
any
clarifying
questions
from
task
force.
Members
as
well
as
public
comment,
hi
Jessica.
N
R
R
So
as
part
of
the
four-year
scope
of
work
city
council
asked
staff
to
explore
allowing
single-family
parcels
to
allow
a
two
to
four
units
per
parcel
under
certain
limitations,
so
limiting
these
parcels
proximate
to
transit-oriented
urban
villages
or
immediately
adjacent
to
residential
parcels
with
existing
medium
density
building
types.
They
also
asked
us
to
look
at
developing
a
set
of
guide,
a
design
guidelines
to
maintain
the
character
of
a
single-family
residential
neighborhood.
R
Allow
flexibility
for
more
units
on
bigger
Lots
clarify
that
any
redevelopment
remains
at
the
discretion
of
the
property
owner,
specify
that
it
would
be
sensitive
to
historic,
neighborhoods
and
validate
that
opportunity.
Housing
projects
are
cost
effective
and,
as
you
can
see
it's
you
know
quite
a
bit
of
work
and
so
for
today
we
will
be
presenting
the
policy
framework
and
some
action
plans
and
general
plan
amendments.
However,
there
are
going
to
be
next
steps
and
further
analysis
that
we
need
to
do
including
analysis
outreach,
a
lot
of
zoning
code
updates.
R
So
it's
a
bigger
effort
and
we
are
seeking
task
force
recommendation
on
the
policy
itself,
a
draft
policy
itself
so
some
background.
Why
do
we
want
opportunity
housing
so
for
the
sake
of
San
Jose's,
allowing
up
to
four
units
per
parcel,
so
duplexes
triplexes
for
plexus,
bungalow
courts
and
single-family
homes?
We
are
going
to
call
this
opportunity
housing
similar
to
missing
my
missing
middle
housing,
as
described
by
Daniel,
parole,
ik
of
optical
design.
A
couple
meetings
ago
in
San,
Jose
missing
me.
R
Dope
metal
is
kind
of
used
for
two
different
terms,
so
missing
the
middle
as
in
the
housing
type
and
also
missing
middle,
as
in
missing
middle
housing
for
the
middle
class.
So
the
the
pricing
component
to
it.
Those
are
two
different
terms.
So,
for
the
sake
of
this,
we
will
call
it
opportunity,
housing,
and
this
will
only
refer
to
the
form,
the
building
form
itself,
and
so
our
goals
for
opportunity,
housing
is
to
increase
housing.
R
Supply
provider
has
provide
housing
type
choices,
provide
less
expensive
housing
options
and
providing
more
housing
in
higher
resource
areas
in
high
resource
areas,
and
that
term
is
capitalized,
because
it's
a
specific
term
that
was
established
by
the
State
Department
of
Housing
and
Community
Development,
and
these
areas
of
high
opportunity.
There
are
several
indicators
to
identify
those
some
economic
indicators,
such
as
adult
education,
attainment,
poverty
levels,
job
proximity,
there's
a
few
more
there's,
also
environmental
indicators,
and
also
education
and
education
indicators.
R
So
student
poverty
levels,
math
and
reading
literacy
and
also
I
think
there's
a
couple
more,
but
there's
several
indicators
to
identify
these
high
resource
areas.
So
why
do
we
want
to
allow
opportunity
housing?
So
we
want
to
address
historic
housing
discrimination
practices
that
have
commonly
excluded
low
income
and
people
of
color
from
single-family
neighborhoods,
and
this
is
not
only
to
San
Jose,
but
this
was
a
practice
nationwide.
R
We
also
want
to
allow
more
housing
that
are
affordable
by
design
they're
affordable
by
design,
because
the
comparison
for
medium
and
higher
density
development,
those
require
steel
or
concrete,
where
these
single-family
type
homes
would
only
require
wood
frame.
So,
by
design
they
are
more
affordable.
R
It
also
allows
small
builders
to
get
into
the
game
of
building
housing
as
well
to
just
increase
the
number
of
people
that
can
participate
in
creating
more
housing
and
also
to
follow
trend,
Imperial
trailblazing
jurisdictions
that
allow
this
type
of
housing
such
as
Portland
Minneapolis
Vancouver,
which
we'll
talk
about
more
later.
It
also
helps
achieve
our
goals
in
the
city's
housing
crisis
work
plan,
which
is
to
add
25,000,
more
residential
units
by
2023
I
believe
so
there
are
have
been
recent
state
laws
regarding
opportunity.
R
Housing,
SB
50
is
the
first
one,
and
that
was
a
package
of
allowing
different
types
of
residential
developments.
Near
transit
stops
to
encourage
them
near
transit,
stops
and
one
of
the
items
and
the
packages
was
regarding
opportunity
housing.
So
it
proposed
that
property
zoned
for
single-family
housing
to
allow
duplexes
triplexes
and
for
plexes.
However,
it
did
fail
to
pass
a
state
Senate
earlier
this
year,
although
we
do
expect
it
to
come
back
again.
R
Sometime
later
this
year,
a
b12
79
is
similar,
but
it
streamlines
only
affordable
opportunity,
housing
type
projects
in
high
resource
areas
specifically
and
affordable,
meaning
moderate
to
low
income
population.
This
has
only
stayed
in
the
assembly,
but
has
not
advanced
in
the
Senate
and
I
know
that
neither
of
these
bills
have
passed
the
Senate.
Yet,
however,
they
both
have
merit-
and
you
know
it
jurisdictions
across
the
nation-
are
also
looking
into
this,
and
it
seems
like
a
good
way
to
produce
more
housing.
R
R
They
would
allow
at
least
three
homes,
inclusive
ad
use
on
all
Lots
across
the
city.
They
would
still
maintain
that
two
and
a
half
storey
height
limit
allow
those
three
homes
within
those
areas
and
the
main
drivers
for
them
is
that
they
want
to
address
affordability,
counter
segregation
and
limit
greenhouse
gas
emissions
by
building
within
these
areas
that
already
have
development.
R
The
second
case
study
is
Vancouver.
They
did
a
zoning
code
amendment
a
couple
years
ago
and
they
would
permit
duplexes
on
99%
of
their
single
family
lots
and
the
only
reason
why
they
wouldn't
qualify
is
because
most
of
the
other
homes
are
historic
or
they
have
weird
lot
sizes
and
so
or
weird
lot
shapes,
and
so
they
wouldn't
qualify.
Ad
use
are
also
required
on
larger
Lots,
with
duplexes
to
provide
more
opportunities
for
housing
and
their
primary
goal
isn't
to
produce
more
housing.
It's
to
produce
a
variety
of
housing
options
to
different
socio-economic
levels.
R
Our
next
case
study
is
Durham.
That
also
did
a
zoning
code
amendment
in
last
year,
so
they
wanted
to
allow
duplexes
not
citywide.
Only
in
the
Central
and
more
dense
parts
of
the
neighborhood,
they
expanded
additional
allowable
areas
for
townhomes.
So
in
certain
subdivisions
you
weren't
allowed
to
have
duplexes
before,
but
now
they're
allowed
to.
They
also
allow
the
use
of
a
density
bonus
in
order
to
get
a
triplex
enough
for
Plex,
rather
than
a
duplex,
and
also
allows
duplexes
on
smaller
Lots.
R
R
Our
last
case
study
that
we're
going
to
talk
about
tonight
is
Portland,
and
this
one
is
also
a
big
one,
so
they
also
did
a
zoning
code,
amendment
in
August
2019,
which
was
simultaneously
simultaneous
to
the
passing
of
House
bill
2001,
which
also
allowed
duplexes
I
believe
across
the
state
for
populations
larger
than
25,000
people,
but
Portland
has
customized
it
their
own
city
by
allowing
duplexes
triplexes
for
plexes
and
to
use
on
majority
of
lots.
The
area
is
where
they
wouldn't
be
able
to
develop
that
type
of
housing.
R
There
are
hazardous
areas
and
also
on
unpaved
streets.
Where
development
isn't,
you
know,
isn't
infrastructure?
Isn't
there
already?
They
also
allow
density
bonus
to
encourage
before
an
ability
they
require
minimum
of
two
units
on
larger
Lots,
allowing
the
division
of
homes,
creation
of
flag
Lots,
and
they
also
removed
a
parking
minimum.
Something
that's
unique
to
Portland
is
that
they
did
an
individual,
independent
displacement
risk
and
mitigation
analysis
to
identify
potential
communities
that
would
be
affected
by
this.
R
So
our
staff
recommendation:
how
is
this
going
to
be
implemented
in
San
Jose?
Or
what
does
staff
recommend?
We
are
considering
three
types
of
development
to
include
subdivide,
existing
buildings,
building
up
to
four
units
on
vacant,
land,
demolish
existing
and
building
up
to
four
units,
and
all
these
developments
are
to
be
built
within
the
building
envelope
that
is
currently
r1
and
r2.
So
the
form
itself
will
not
be
different
from
the
outside.
R
So
we
also
recommend
that
this
would
be
owned
over
the
counter
permit,
like
single-family
homes
currently,
and
the
only
the
only
two
scenarios
where
you
would
have
to
go
through
a
discretionary
process
would
be
court
style
bungalows,
because
our
zoning
code
does
not
currently
encourage
that
type
of
development.
So
we
would
require
a
little
more
review,
also
properties
on
the
city's
historic
resources
inventory.
R
So
here
are
a
few
examples
of
opportunity.
Housing
example
of
opportunity
examples
that
already
are
in
San
Jose.
So
these
there's
about
5,700
of
these
properties
and
the
way
we
collected
that
information
is
that
we
identified
all
these
residential
neighborhood
land
land
use
designated
parcels,
and
then
they
were
the
ones
that
had
more
than
one
unit
on
them,
and
so
these
properties,
these
development.
R
So
where
do
we
recommend
this?
Staying
true
to
the
scoping
item?
We
recommend
opportunity
housing
on
parcels
within
a
half
mile
of
a
regional
or
local
transit
urban
village
boundary
that
way
we're
encouraging
growth
closer
to
growth
areas
and
where
we
plan
services
additionally
for
properties
outside
of
the
half
mile
radius.
R
R
So
our
recommendation
for
the
locations
of
opportunity
housing
would
yield
approximately
47,000
500
parcels,
and
this
would
make
up
about
25%
of
the
residential
neighborhood
housing
stock
citywide.
So
only
a
quarter,
and
also
these
parcels,
72%
of
these
parcels
fall
already
within
a
half
mile
of
a
high
quality
transit
corridor,
which
is
defined
as
a
transit
corridor
with
15-minute
or
faster
or
sooner
service.
R
At
peak
hours
of
the
day,
60%
of
these
properties
are
within
high
resource
areas,
which
is
more
opportunity
for
low
income,
and
people
of
color
30%
are
within
areas
of
below
city
median
household
income.
We
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
we
weren't
disparately
putting
the
burden
on
people
on
communities
that
already
disadvantaged,
so
we
wanted
to
do
the
to
do
that
analysis.
R
So
that
brings
us
to
limiting
displacement.
We
are
recommending
two
different
exclusions,
and
so
parcels
that
are
occupied
by
renters
within
the
last
seven
years
would
not
be
allowed
to
develop
with
opportunity.
Housing.
Also,
rent
stabilized
units
that
are
subject
to
the
city's
apartment,
red
ordinance,
which
applies
to
three
units
or
more,
would
not
be
eligible
for
opportunity
housing.
So,
even
if
someone
demolishes
a
property
even
and
and
it
had
renters
within
the
past
seven
years,
we
would
not
allow
it
to
be
redeveloped
with
opportunity
housing-
and
this
is
all
based
on
SB
50.
R
We
modeled
it
after
the
exclusions
after
SB
event,
so
historic
properties,
we
plan,
we
recommend
allowing
opportunity
housing
that
adapted
leary,
uses
historic
structures
and,
as
I
said
earlier,
it
would
go
through
a
discretionary
permanent
process
which
requires
hearings
and
additional
notification,
and
we
just
we
have
to
keep
the
historic
character
and
value
of
the
buildings.
However,
we
also
staff
needs
to
update
the
history.
Historic
resources
inventory,
which
is
an
action
item,
deal
with
ya,
take
on
as
part
of
this
or
as
part
of
another
effort,
so
additional
considerations.
R
This
is
kind
of
a
later
step.
These
are
too
detailed
to
deal
with
now,
but
we
do
plan
to
explore
additional
changes
to
other
city
policies
to
make
opportunity
more
opportunity,
housing,
a
little,
more
feasible
and
that's
parking
requirement,
reduction,
lot,
size,
minimum
reduction,
allowing
flag,
Lots
and
then
creating
flexible
development
standards,
so
I.
So,
as
I
said
earlier,
there's
a
lot
of
next
steps
to
this,
the
short
term.
Next
steps.
R
We
will
bring
our
recommendation
from
tonight,
along
with
all
the
other,
four-year
items
and
then
so
we'll
see
yes
and
then
there
are
long
term
next
step.
So
it's
a
lot
of
additional
analysis
and
the
timeline
for
this
is
up
to
three
years,
which
is
not
completely
surprising.
For
example,
Portland
took
four
years
to
start
and
get
their
ordinance
approved
and
it's
taken.
R
So
our
next
steps,
we
have
two
items
on
the
short-term
list.
We
have
to
do
a
cost-effectiveness
study
to
study
whether
or
not
these
types
of
developments
are
feasible,
even
for
a
small
developer
or
property
owner
and
at
what
price.
They
would
be
it
like.
What
the
result
would
be,
what
what
market
would
they
serve
just
to
know
what
the
purpose
of
it
is
and
if
we're
meeting
our
goals,
the
general
plan
text
amendments
we
are.
R
We
are
recommending
two
different
action
items
to
memorialize
the
different
action
items
that
we
need
to
do
so
that
City
Council
can
approve
it
and
maybe
prioritize
it
just
as
a
as
a
step
forward
and
in
making
it
official
in
the
general
plan
text.
The
other
next
steps
are
all
long-term:
a
displacement
risk
assessment,
much
like
the
one
in
Portland
and
identifying
strategies
to
mitigate
displacement.
R
We'll
see
so
there
are
action
items
which
I'm
presenting
or
which,
which
are
listed
in
your
memo,
and
maybe
we
don't
have
to
go
through
it
right
now.
The
general
plan
policy
framework
itself
and
the
next
step
so
we're
looking
for
you
to
chime
in
on
the
action
items,
either
changing
it
or
approving
it
same
with
the
general
policy
framework.
And
if
you
agree
or
do
not
agree
with
some
of
the
things
that
are
stated
in
there
and
also
next
steps
and
any
additional
ideas
or
analysis,
and
with
that
I'll.
A
Stop
I
just
really
want
to
commend
staff
I
think
the
memo
was
excellent
and
the
presentation
was
excellent
as
well.
Thank
you.
It's
a
big
and
important
topic,
given
that
we
don't
have
a
lot
of
time.
First
of
all,
I
want
to
ask
if
there's
any
member
of
the
public
who
would
like
to
speak
to
this
issue.
Please
come
forward.
Let's
hear
from
you.
First.
A
S
G
Name
is
James,
Rankin
I
live
in
the
one
of
us
in
the
road
I'm.
Also
the
chair
of
district
six
leadership
or
neighborhood
leadership
group
we're
big
supporters
of
dev,
but
what
I
wanted
to
do
is
bring
some
things
to
to
bear
in
mind,
and
one
is
when
you
talk
about
high
density
or
you
know,
bringing
in
high
density
housing
to
certain
neighborhoods.
It
does
displace
the
starter
homes.
So
neighborhoods,
like
mine,
that
are
starter
neighborhoods
that
are
still
affordable,
will
be
the
ones
that
will
be
getting
picked
up
by
investors.
G
G
Right,
that's
our
reality,
but
we
should
sort
of
guard
these
kinds
of
neighborhoods
right
and
the
additional
thing
about
high-density
housing
and
a
lot
of
people
talk
about
corridors
or
you
know:
high
transit
corridors.
I
have
neighbors
at
work
in
Apple
right,
so
they
could
have
a
point
A
to
point.
B
travel
right.
There
are
the
ones
that
should
be
living
on
these
high
transit
corridors.
G
They
can
get
on
a
bus
and
they
can
go
from
point
A
to
point
B
back
and
forth,
but
I
have
neighbors
that
clean
houses,
I
have
neighbors
that
do
construction
and
they're,
the
ones
that
need
the
cars
and
when
they're
the
ones
that
are
being
placed
in
affordable
housing
next
to
transit.
You
know
corridor.
You
know
these
places
that
they
can't
take
their
tools
in
the
bus.
They
can't
go
from
house
to
house
on
a
bus,
cleaning
houses
or
fixing.
You
know
work
or
gardening.
G
You
know
you
can't
take
your
lawn
mower
on
them,
and
so
I
would
certainly
just
caution
the
the
body
that
we
should
consider
flipping
that
around
flipping
out.
That
idea
that
affordable
housing
needs
to
be
on
transit
corridors.
It's
the
P,
it's
the
working
poor
that
need
their
cars
and
it's
the
white-collar
people
that
have
one
job,
one
destination
that
should
be
taking
those
buses
thanks
very
time.
Thank.
A
O
Q
In
this
pasady
I
am
representing
South,
Bay,
MB
and
I
just
want
to
say
I
again,
I
live
in
the
japantown
hensley
neighborhood
and
I
walk
by
duplexes
triplexes,
four
flexes
cottage
quartz
between
here
and
my
house.
Every
day.
I
am
so
thrilled
that
this
task
force
is
encouraging.
This
names,
I,
am
in
love
with
the
staff
report
and
so
I
just
wanted
to
encourage
everybody
on
this
committee
to
continue
supporting
this
type
of
housing,
because
I
live
in
a
six
flex,
which
I
guess
is
not
going
to
count
towards.
P
Q
Q
I
Good
evening
my
name
is
Edward
Sam
here
wearing
a
couple
different
hats.
First,
as
the
planning
and
land-use
director
for
the
chef
and
chef
Neighborhood
Association,
the
entirety
of
which
is
inside
this
proposal,
that's
before
you,
we
spent,
as
staff
knows,
a
couple
of
years,
helping
to
develop
the
Alameda
urban
village,
and
so
what
this
essentially
is
is
offsetting
that
line
to
kind
of
establish
the
boundaries.
I
So
thank
you
to
staff
for
the
level
of
comments
and
acknowledging
the
timeframes
that
Portland
and
Minneapolis
went
through,
because
this
means
the
same
kind
of
community
engagement,
the
same
kind
of
analysis
that
the
urban
village
did,
because
it
will
have
a
substantially
larger
effect
on
the
neighborhood
as
a
result,
one
other
thing
I
want
to
say
I-
would
recommend
that
the
task
force
required
that
the
additions
to
the
HRI
be
completed.
First,
as
the
chair
of
the
city's
historic
landmarks
come,
I,
unfortunately,
am
seeing
the
very
slow-paced
Juliet.
I
If
she
didn't
sleep
at
all,
she
might
be
able
to
finish
the
H
area
in
a
timely
manner.
Unfortunately,
we
keep
her
very
busy
that
needs
to
be
completed
first
because
an
example
the
house
I
live
in,
it
was
built
in
1896
and
it's
never
once
even
been
looked
at
for
putting
on
the
HRI.
There
are
other
properties
that
now
mid-century,
modern
50
years
or
more
need
to
be
considered
for
the
HRI,
so
that
these
resources
aren't
lost
as
something
like
this
moves
forward.
Thank
you.
Thank.
A
G
H
Not
there
anymore
I'm
worried
about
the
disruption
to
historic
neighborhoods.
There
are
large
section
sections
in
Willow,
Glen
and
downtown,
and
there
are
houses
made
1920s
and
30s
in
Toulouse
the
character.
If
you
do
this
so
check
to
see
some
historic
neighborhoods
and
also
who
pays
for
the
infrastructure,
you
have
four
times
as
many
people
living
there.
You
need
more
parks
for
these
people.
You
need
more.
G
T
Hi
I'm
Angus
again
and
just
a
little
story,
real
quick.
So
we
have
a
lot
of
interns
on
your
video.
Don't
present
a
company
or
anything
just
employee
and
I
love
our
interns.
They
come
here
for
a
summer
and
they're
sort
of
stuck
you'd
like
some
of
them
to
a
house
or
they're
like
living
all
the
way
out
here
this
view
Alviso
and
there's
like
four
or
five
or
six
of
them
into
a
single
house,
and
the
reason
for
that
is
because
the
landlord
has
turned
like
the
kitchen
into
a
bedroom.
T
They
turn
like
the
living
room
to
a
bedroom
in
Airbnb,
every
single
house
owned
by
letting
sort
of
like
qua
plexes
and
your
perhaps
even
larger,
in
more
areas
which
really
we're
already
fitting,
as
many
people
how's
as
possible,
really
just
improves
a
quality
of
life
for
a
lot
of
our
temporary
and
permanent
residents
around
having
private
entrances
is
nice.
Having
private
bathrooms
is
nice
and
really
the
number
of
people
doesn't
really
change
in
these
circumstances?
I
know
it's
not
huge,
but
it's.
T
G
Good
evening
Matthew
Reed
from
Silicon
Valley
at
home.
Unfortunately
our
director
wasn't
feeling
well
and
so
she's
looking
forward
to
participating
when
it
comes
back
next
time.
So
I
wanted
to
make
a
couple
comments.
We
were
actually
really
pleased.
We
thought
it
was
really
great
work.
It
was
thoughtful,
it
was
reflective.
It
engaged
and
stretched
the
council
direction
in
really
important
ways,
and
so
we're
really
excited
about
that.
G
We're
we're
supporters
I
think
we
we
absolutely
support
the
direction
and
we'll
we'll
support
the
effort.
We
have
a
couple
of
ideas,
though
one
I
think
is
telling,
is
that
if
we
remember
back
to
the
presentation
from
optical
it's
a
lot
of
what
we
saw
were
5
6,
7,
8,
10
unit
buildings.
We
saw
one
that
looked
like
a
single-family
home.
That
apparently
was
eight
and
we
think
it's
worth
looking
at
slightly
higher
density
within
a
closer
range,
around
transit,
rich
environments,
I
think
we
were
all
impressed.
G
It
was
a
couple
months
ago,
I'm,
sorry,
we've
lost
some
of
that
energy,
but
maybe
it'll
come
back
next
time.
We
also
think
that
this
is
something
that
should
be
considered
citywide,
and
we
understand
that
this
is
beyond
the
scope
of
direction,
but
we
do
think
that
this
group
has
the
ability
to
make
a
comment
that
staff
can
share
with
Council
that
it
thinks
it's
worth
exploring
this
kind
of
very
modest
top
zoning
citywide,
the
more
homes
there
are
in
the
city.
G
K
K
So
again,
I
would
like
to
echo
the
comments.
I
really
appreciate
the
the
report
on
this
that
we
saw
tonight
I
just
found
it
as
we
were
sitting
here
and
was
really
impressed
by
how
comprehensive
and
long
it
was
I
didn't
expect
that
level
of
detail.
So
thank
you
for
putting
all
that
time.
Work
into
it.
I
just
I
would
echo
everything
that
Matthew
said.
K
I
I
want
to
make
sure
here
that
the
the
goals
that
we're
trying
to
achieve,
some
of
which
are
to
kind
of
redress
past,
harms
about
segregation
and
racial
exclusion
of
certain
communities
that
the
the
mechanism
that
we're
trying
to
use
with
opportunity
housing
to
redress
some
of
those
harms
is
actually
thoughtful
and
is,
and
we
think
is
going
to
achieve
some
of
those
things
like
closing
equity
gaps.
That
I
think
are
part
of
the
impetus.
K
The
moral
impetus
for
a
change
like
this
I
I
have
a
stat
of
I,
think
26%
of
San
Jose
residents
are
Caucasian,
but
46%
of
homeowners
are
Caucasian,
so
you
know
this
potentially
could
be
a
change
that
disproportionately
benefits
a
group.
That's
already,
you
know
historically
been
privileged
by
this
very
like
law.
So
I
would
also
like
to
consider
a
conversation
around
value
recapture,
for
this
change.
K
I
think
we're
potentially
talking
about
tens
of
thousands
of
parcels
that
will
automatically
my
home
included
all
of
a
sudden,
be
worth
a
lot
more
money
so
because
I
can
build
more
units
on
it.
Just
I
think
we're
talking
about
to
the
point
earlier
for
the
gentleman
who
referenced
the
the
laborers
who
live
in
certain
single-family
homes,
I
believe
I
heard
that
rental
housing
was
excluded
from
this,
and
so
that
would
take
care
I.
K
Think
of
a
lot
of
those
types
of
concerns
as
many
folks
who
work
in
service
industries
happen
to
be
renting
as
well
so
and
finally,
I
would
just
like
to
float
the
idea
that
Matthew
already
brought
up.
Why
not
expand
it
to
the
entire
city
of
San
Jose,
an
175,000
single
family
homes
that
we
currently
have?
Okay,.
K
S
S
Again,
what
happened
is
that
there's
been
little
or
no
outreach
to
the
neighborhoods
and
basically
what
happened.
For
instance,
the
council
members
appointed
people
to
be
the
representative
of
the
neighborhoods
for
their
council
district
and
they've
never
come
out
most
of
them
haven't
ever
when
I
talked
to
six
of
the
district
leaders
this
afternoon
about
this,
they
were
unaware
that
this
was
going
to
come
up.
They
were
under
the
impression
that
essentially
opportunity
if
this
was
not
going
to
occur
until
the
state
actually
went
forward
on
it.
S
So
it's
a
good
idea
that
we're
starting
to
do
early,
but
the
issue
you
have
is
you
don't
have
all
the
reach
on
the
thing
and
and
therefore
you
haven't
talked
to
the
neighborhood
leaders
at
all
on
this,
and
you
need
to
do
that.
It's
it's
very
important
to
do
that.
You
can
otherwise
you're
gonna
have
a
lot
of
pushback
on
it
on
the
whole
thing.
So
thank.
P
There
are
neighborhoods
in
proximity
to
transit,
thoroughfares
that
incur
undue
environmental
stress
due
to
noise,
particulate
matter
from
diesel
and
just
disruption,
inability
to
get
a
good
night's
sleep.
So
I'm
talking
about
the
North
Willow
Glen
Gardner
community,
we're
right
on
top
of
a
transit
corridor,
so
I
think
we're
Ground
Zero
for
this
project,
but
the
stress
that
it
would
bring
I
would
say:
probably
younger
families
would
likely
move
in.
P
That
goes
pretty
much
all
night
to
major
highways
and
a
train
that,
according
to
the
VTA
Dehradun
plan,
it's
going
to
be
in
the
neighborhood
of
five
hundred
trains
a
day
going
through
that
corridor,
so
and
environmental
justice
should
be
considered
as
a
key
component
of
it
any
development.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
A
Okay,
give
it
a
late
hour
and
in
order
to
be
able
to
jump
back
into
this
I
think
really
quickly.
At
the
next
meeting,
I'd
like
to
ask
any
staff
any
task
force
members,
if
you
have
questions
clarifying
questions
about
the
memo
or
the
presentation,
to
e-mail
them
to
staff,
so
that
we
can
start
the
next
meeting,
because
I
have
like
four
questions
that
way,
you
can
just
start
the
next
meeting,
responding
to
those
questions
and
we
can
get
the
clarifying
questions
out
of
the
way
and
get
to
the
discussion.