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City of San José, California
Joint meeting of Rules and Open Government Committee / Committee of the Whole of May 27, 2020
Pre-meeting citizen input on Agenda via eComment at https://sanjose.granicusideas.com/meetings.
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Agenda pending.
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Made
everybody?
Can
you
hear
me?
Yes,
thank
you,
a
speech
with
three
items
on
the
june
2nd
agenda
related
to
technology
issues,
including
item
7.2
of
graffiti
abatement
issues.
I
hope
everybody
is
noticing
the
amount
of
broadband
and
vision
zero-like
technology
on
recent
local
city
council
agendas
across
the
bay
area
and
across
the
country
with
consent,
calendar
item
2.12,
a
company
called
smartway
with
many
varied
uses
of
tech
and
wi-fi,
including
rodent
traps,
is
a
reminder
of
new
downtown
geo,
fencing
and
many
data
and
surveillance,
applications
and
interconnections.
E
To
also
again
remind
that,
with
measure
t
issues
of
item
3.5,
I
think
it
is
please
again
consider
how
measure
t
public
oversight
can
be
a
very
good
meeting
place
for
all
the
the
entire
community
about
technology
issues.
This
summer,
some
form
of
a
shared
community
meeting
process
this
summer
can
work
as
a
good
place
for
organized
structured
dialogue
between
community
and
local
government
about
covid19
related
issues
as
well.
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Yeah
hi,
it's
martha,
o'connell,
I'd
like
to
speak
on
the
issue
of
the
faith
coverings,
I'd
like
to
address
the
council
person
who
talked
about
government
overreach.
Perhaps
he
is
too
young
to
remember
when
the
proposal
for
motorcyclists
wear
helmets
came
in
and
there
were
thousands
and
thousands
of
motorcyclists
who
who
went
to
the
city
to
the
to
sacramento
to
protest
in
mass.
This
was
an
overreach
of
government,
similar
protests,
but
not
as
visible
when
the
seatbelt
law
became
was
being
proposed.
F
I'd
like
to
point
out
the
difference
between
those
two
laws
and
the
face
masks.
Those
two
laws
were
to
protect
people
from
themselves
and
this
law.
The
proposed
law,
is
to
protect
others.
So
I
don't
think
it's
government
overreach
second
comment:
the
council
person
who
is
concerned
about
walking
his
dog
and
having
to
wear
a
mask
if
you
save
a
life
by
by
wearing
a
mask
walking
the
dog
is
a
small
issue
and
my
final
comment
is
in
the
last
two
weeks.
F
I
have
gotten
involved
checking
websites
what
I
call
the
loony
left
and
the
alt
right,
and
they
are
very
similar
on
the
issue
of
covid.
They
are
using
bad
science
and
conspiracy
theories
to
go
against
any
reasonable
measures.
The
government
is
trying
to
pass
they're,
both
they're,
both
nuts,
the
ultra
right
and
the
ultra
left,
and
I
urge
the
council
to
take
a
moderate
position
and
pass
the
face
coverings.
Thank
you.
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Hello,
I
wanted
to
speak
to
item
5.1
on
the
agenda.
Obviously
the
eir
for
the
shortcut
extension
and
I
wanted
to
ask
the
committee
to
consider
assigning
a
time
certain
to
that
item
so
that
the
community
makes
it
a
little
bit
easier
on
the
community
to
participate
and
on
that
item
I
also
wanted
to
note
for
the
record
that,
as
the
eir
that
you
will
be
reviewing
is
not
out
yet
it's
going
to
be,
I
think,
published
on
friday.
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That
will
give
us
all
about
10
days,
which
I
think
is
a
little
minimum
to
review
that
and
that
this
eir
will
also
not
go
to
the
planning
commission.
So
there's
no
second
set
of
eyes
on
this.
I
just
wanted
to
bring
this
to
your
attention.
It's
obviously
in
the
discretion
of
the
council
to
proceed.
However,
you
see
fit.
Thank
you.
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I
would
just
like
to
give
the
community
a
better
idea
on
when
this
item
will
be
heard.
As
I
know
that
there
are
many
who
do
work
and
they
you
know
they
want
to
probably
try
to
make
time
for
it,
but
if
there's
an
easier
time
window
for
them
that,
I
think
would
be
appreciated
and
help
yeah.
But
I
know
your
meetings
have
been
run
really
long
and
there's
lots
of
things.
I
wanted
to.
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E
You
know
in
this
time
of
kovid,
I
I
thank
you
that
you
know
you
you're,
possibly
trying
to
address
some
issues,
but
not
take
action
on
them
that
that's
a
real,
sensitive,
decent
way
to
approach
things
at
this
time,
and
I'm
sorry
that
we
have
to
work
that
way,
but
it
just
is
it's
just
a
much
more
comfortable
way
of
working,
and
I
hope
that's
what
this
charcoal
issue
is
about.
That's
very
you
know
emotional
for
all
of
us
and
for
it
to
just
be
very
slow
at
this
time.
E
It's
important,
I
think-
and
you
know
in
my
total
lack
of
understanding
the
depth
of
the
issue.
You
know
I'm
trying
to
offer
what,
how
I
feel
and
living
here
in
san
jose
for
so
long
about
this
issue.
So
good
luck
in
these
efforts
to
all
of
us
how
to
define
you
know,
slowness
and
and
steadiness
with
issues
and
sensitivity.
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Okay,
so
for
now,
let's
keep
it
on
we'll.
Take
another
look
at
this
next
week
when
we
better
understand
how
it
affects
the
project
very
good,
and
I
think
it
would
be
helpful,
given
the
public
amount
of
public
interest
in
this,
that,
if
possible,
we
could
have
dot
staff
available
as
well,
either
in
the
initial
presentation
or
subsequently
to
really
be
able
to
respond
to
basic
questions
of.
Why
does
d.o.t
believe
this
is
necessary.
B
Obviously,
we'll
hear
a
lot
from
the
public
about
about
countervailing
concerns,
safety
and
other
issues,
and
so
I
think
it
will
be
helpful
for
dot
staff
to
be
ready,
not
just
to
answer
questions,
but
also,
maybe
even
to
present
some
information
about
about
this,
because
I
know
this
is
these
were
decisions
that
were
made
a
couple
decades
ago
and
even
folks,
who've
been
around
a
long
time.
Like
me,
aren't
fully
aware
of
all
that
went
into
that
thinking.
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The
tradition,
the
business
of
good
business
practices
overall,
it
feels
important
to
address
emergency
needs
first,
over
the
next
few
years.
Urgent
emergency
needs
in
the
next
few
years.
This
can
then
ask
what
can
be
more
workable
for
the
long
term.
There
are
state
assembly
bills
along
the
lines
of
what
can
be
a
10-year
forgiveness
plans
for
both
tenants
and
owners,
and
that
tax
forgiveness
and
tax
trading
on
the
short
term
for
owners
and
long-term
10-year
rent
forgiveness
plans
for
tenants
are
in
the
works
at
the
california
state
level.
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Our
minds
need
to
be
open
and
constructive
and
creative
to
more
fully
understand
what
needs
to
be
considered,
important
and
urgent
at
this
time
in
our
lives
as
most
everyday
owners
and
tenants
had
no
initial
say
in
the
planning
of
this
pandemic,
this
is
simply
close
to
what
has
to
be
the
dialogue
and
starting
point
of
how
to
have
a
short-term
two-year
full
rental
forgiveness
conversations
for
both
owners
and
tenants.
We
had
a
time
to
learn
to
how
to
be
more
open,
not
be
fearful
hidden
as
secretive
for
a
better
human
ideas
and
ideals.
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Physical
distancing
rules,
even
as
the
economy
begins
to
reopen,
will
limit
the
capacity
of
restaurants
to
allow
customers
inside
so
allowing
outside
street
street
sidewalk
dining
and
parking
lot.
Dining
aids,
in
that
another
key
element
of
that
ordinance
was
trying
to
make
things
as
cheap
as
possible,
trying
to
make
the
fees
not
overly
burdensome
on
getting
the
permits
to
do
it
outside,
and
that's
an
additional
recognition
of
the
fact
that
you
know
restaurants
are
working
on
thin
margins,
and-
and
so
I
really
see
that
the
council
is
recognized
in
that
legislation.
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I'm
trying
to
carry
that
same
spirit
in
what
I'm
doing
here,
because
I
think
this
I
see
this
as
a
bit
of
a
companion
piece
in
the
time
that
we've
been
to
rules
committee
to
discuss
this.
I
have
had
a
round
table
with
the
svo
and
restaurants
in
san
jose.
I've
spoken
to
a
few
other
restaurant
owners,
and
I've
learned
a
bit
more,
but
nothing
that
has
been
said
has
completely
surprised
me
or
changed
my
mind
in
in
terms
of
my
feeling.
L
This
is
necessary
in
terms
of
a
business
model
if
you're,
making
widgets
or
selling
hamburgers
or
whatever
what
is
essentially
happening,
is
you're
you're
for
food
delivery,
costs,
25
or
or
30
or
in
some
cases.
40
of
your
cost
is
going
to
delivery
of
the
item
that
you're
trying
to
sell,
and
I
still
think
that's
too
high.
One
thing
that
that
I
am
encouraged
by
is
that
I,
I
feel
a
number
of
restaurants
who
are
not
waiting
for
the
city
to
to
do
this.
L
They
are
seeing
the
problem
and
they're
trying
to
move
to
private
point
of
sale,
personal
point
of
sale
stuff
to
kind
of
sidestep.
The
third
party
apps
altogether,
but
they
still
said
that
you
know
they
could
use
some
help,
and
I
I
know
the
the
fear
is
that
we're
going
to
hobble
third
party
apps,
but
my
understanding
is
they
can
still
have
other
fees
like
marketing
fees,
which
I
think
if
they
were
to
up
their
marketing
fees.
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M
Thank
you
mayor
lee
cardone
city
council,
members,
eddie
chong
with
the
silicon
valley
organization.
We
are
the
region's
chamber
of
commerce
representing
1
200
businesses
in
the
region.
I
wanted
to
provide
some
clarification
to
my
past
public
comments
on
this
issue.
The
seo
does
not
want
to
pit
at
companies
versus
restaurants.
In
fact,
we
support
a
more
balanced
approach
to
the
feed
cap
proposal.
However,
I
don't
think
anyone
can
deny
that
restaurants
are
suffering
during
this
time.
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Last
friday
we
hosted
a
restaurant
roundtable
and
brought
together
nearly
50
small
restaurants
to
talk
about
their
challenges
with
the
feed
cap
issue.
Most
have
said
that
20
or
30
percent
of
their
sales
are
lost
to
commissions
in
apps.
Some
have
to
pay
up
to
40
percent.
Some
apps
don't
even
allow
restaurants
to
charge
higher
prices
on
their
menus
to
compensate
themselves
for
a
loss
of
up
to
40
percent
of
their
sales
commissions
and
some
app
drivers,
don't
even
wear
ppe,
which
damages
the
restaurant's
reputation.
M
We
want
to
be
able
to
discourage
the
worst
actors
in
the
industry
from
from
herding,
small
restaurants
and
some
more
balanced
solution
in
the
middle.
I
think,
is
much
more
appropriate
to
support
our
small
restaurants
at
the
same
time
not
decimate
food
delivery
services
within
the
city
of
san
jose.
Thank
you
so
much
for
your.
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Hello
council,
member
jones,
hello
council,
thank
you
for
taking
the
time
to
listen
to
me
today.
I'm
the
business
development
manager
of
the
san
jose
downtown
association
back
again
to
support
council
member
dieppe's
memo.
I
was
a
part
of
the
svo
roundtable
last
week
and
I've
heard
from
several
of
my
members
that
this
issue
is
hurting
them
as
well
and
would
just
like
to
encourage
you
to
put
it
forth
to
the
full
council
in
order
to
offer
a
little
bit
of
relief
for
our
restaurants
and
hospitality.
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Hi,
thank
you.
My
name
is
maria
and
I'm
the
public
policy
and
partnerships
lead
at
doordash,
which
also
represents
the
caviar
brand.
Thank
you
for
giving
me
the
opportunity
to
speak
again
about
this
this
issue.
I
want
to
just
highlight
that
from
mid-march
and
ending
may
31st,
doordash
enacted
a
50
commission
cut
across
all
of
our
markets
for
mom
and
pop
restaurants
that
affected
750
restaurants
in
san
jose
directly
and
for
all
restaurants,
not
just
the
mom
and
pops
we
eliminated
commissions
on
pickup
orders
and
for
anyone
new
to
doordash
or
caviar.
N
N
On
the
point
of
dashers,
we
asked
dashers
only
yesterday
what
it
would
mean
to
them
if
the
city
were
to
impose
an
arbitrary
cap
on
commissions.
We
were
overwhelmed
by
the
response
in
less
than
24
hours,
we
heard
from
over
200
dashers
in
san
jose,
who
have
offered
to
share
their
stories
with
their
elected
officials.
Many
of
you
have
heard
directly
from
them,
and
I
shared
stories
as
well.
N
These
dashers
have
access
to
ppe
for
free,
they
have
telehealth,
they
have
financial
assistance
if
they
are
affected
by
covin,
and
they
are
urging
you
to
reconsider
this
cap
due
to
what
it
would
mean
to
them
and
their
ability
to
earn
income,
and
that's
because
fee
caps
have
unintended
consequences
and
I'll
reiterate
that
for
our
platform
to
work,
it
has
to
work
for
restaurants,
dashers
and
the
consumers.
Consumers
do
pay
a
service
fee
and
a
delivery
fee
to
get
their
food
ordered.
N
This
is
not
a
luxury
good
restaurants
choose
to
be
on
our
platforms
and
they
agree
to
pay
a
commission
that
helps
pay
for
a
wide
range
of
services
and
to
bring
the
loop
back
full
circle.
If
we
were
to
limit
the
fees
that
we
can
collect
from
restaurants
through
this
cap,
we
would
be
limited
in
the
services
we
could
provide,
which
would
drive
down
earnings
for
dashers.
Thank
you
for
your
time
today.
I
hope
we
can
work
toward
a
solution
that
works
for
everyone.
O
Hi
mayor
and
council
jeffery
buchanan
with
working
partnerships,
usa,
you
know
this
is
a
complicated
issue.
Certainly
our
heart
goes
out
to
small
businesses
that
have
been
receiving
high
fees,
but
I
think
it's
important
to
remember.
You
know
someone
has
to
pay
at
the
end
of
the
day.
Is
it
the
restaurant?
Is
it
the
consumer
or
is
it
the
worker?
O
Certainly
it's
it's
complicated
to
look
at
the
economics
here,
and
so
you
know
appreciate
the
council
debate
and
looking
into
this
issue,
but
I
think
there
are
some
pieces
of
this
that
aren't
complicated
across
the
board.
All
of
these
workers
who
are
are
driving
and
delivering
for
these
app-based
companies
you
know,
should
be
able
to
have
access
to
ppe
or
to
be
reimbursed
if
they're
purchasing
their
own
ppe.
O
O
In
fact,
san
jose
is
the
only
of
the
four
largest
cities
who
have
the
ability
to
seek
conjunctive
relief
against
misclassifying
companies
who
has
not
engaged
in
this
lawsuit.
So,
while
this
is
an
important
topic,
there
are
plenty
of
other
topics
that
this
council
should
be
looking
into
when
it
comes
to
these
gig
economy,
companies
and
their
abuses.
A
Good
afternoon,
members
of
the
council
thank
you
for
allowing
me
to
speak
today.
My
name
is
william
kemner
I
deliver
with
doordash
and
I'm
a
constituent
of
a
council
member
arenas.
I
want
to
encourage
the
city
council
to
reconsider,
putting
caps
on
fees
that
deliver
services.
Delivery
services
can
change
charge.
Restaurants
because
eliminating
these
fees
will
directly
affect
my
earnings
as
dasher.
I
started
delivering
with
doordash
about
a
month
ago,
because
I
needed
a
job
during
the
pandemic,
where
I
could
work
safely
and
make
good
money.
A
G
B
C
You
know,
I
I
think,
where
we
ended
up,
was
not
seeing
the
the
the
the
need
for
recommending
approval
of
this
and
I
think,
a
little
concerned
about
you
know
what
the
expectation
on
us
would
be
in
terms
of
analysis
or
or
or
work
to
support
the
the
council's
decision-making
process.
So
at
this
point
we
haven't
prepared
a
staff
report
and
we-
and
we
really
haven't
done
any
type
of
convening
of
ourselves-
of
stakeholders
ourselves.
C
B
Okay,
I'm
going
to
ask
henry
here
to
share
a
chart
that
was
put
together
by
paul
pereira
and
joel
velcourt
on
our
team.
Just
to
look
at
what's
happened
in
other
cities.
I
think
we've
shared
this
with
councilmember
deb
as
well,
but
clearly
several
cities
have
moved
forward
with
caps.
It
seems
as
though
15
is
generally
the
norm.
B
What
we're
seeing
out
there
is
a
variety
of
different
responses
in
the
case
of
oakland.
They
dropped
it
all
together,
others
they
are
having
some
challenges
with
some
delivery
areas,
essentially
deemed
off
limits
by
doordash
or
the
other
ubereats
or
other
delivery
companies.
If,
if
the
areas
are
simply
too
remote,.
B
And
we
do
know
that
reducing
service
areas
is
certainly
you
know,
what's
happening
in
san
francisco
and
la
and
some
other
places
in
some
cases,
some
reduction
of
marketing
services
in
some
cases
concerns
about
whether
or
not
they
may
pay
drivers
less
or
not,
and
I
don't
pretend
to
know,
but
I
guess
what
I'm
getting
at
is.
I
generally
support
the
intention
here.
I
do
think
this
is
complex
and
because
of
its
complex,
I
don't
think
any
city
has
completely
figured
it
out
yet
and
there's
no
question.
B
In
some
cases,
very
compact
cities
may
do
a
little
better
than
than
more
spread
out
cities
like
ours,
so
my
inclination
was
if
there
was
a
fairly
quick
and
dirty
way
of
getting
folks
together
around
a
table.
By
folks
I
mean
some
representatives
of
the
restaurant
industry,
along
with,
along
with
the
apps
providers
as
well
grubhub,
ubereats
and
doordash,
where
there
might
be
a
way
to
be
able
to
fashion
something
that
creates
a
cap,
I'm
guessing.
It
would
probably
need
to
have
some
kind
of
carve
out
for
greater.
B
For
deliveries
at
a
greater
distance,
you
know
whether
it's
30
minutes
or
whatever,
or
else
you're,
just
not
going
to
get
service
there.
You
know
I'd,
be
open
to
exploring
that
further.
The
problem
we
have,
of
course,
is:
we
have
limited
amount
of
staff
time
to
be
able
to
devote
to
this,
and
we
really
don't
have
any
mechanism
for
enforcement
in
this
city.
B
This
is
not
something
we've
ever
not
an
area
where
we've
ever
regulated
before
and
lots
of
cities
are
trying
to
figure
it
out,
but
of
all
the
things
we
try
to
figure
out.
The
question
is
whether
this
would
be
the
one
of
the
many
things
we're
working
on,
so
I
just
wanted
to
submit
as
a
potential
idea
that
we
would
have
staff
convene
one
meeting,
perhaps
and
by
say,
perhaps
no
more
than
two
meetings
to
simply
determined.
B
B
B
C
B
K
K
So
in
a
lot
of
ways,
that's
been
happening
now
and
and
just
given
all
the
competing
interest
and
the
limited
bandwidth.
Given
that
we
are
in
a
full-blown
emergency
response,
I
guess
the
question
I
would
ask
is:
is
this
the
most
pressing
issue
to
spend
our
time
on,
and
you
know
what
one
could
argue
that
perhaps
we
focus
more
on?
K
What
can
we
do
to
spur
restaurant
volume
and
spur
delivery
volume
because,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
they're
both
businesses
and
they
both
are
employers
of
employee
of
folks,
primarily
here
in
the
city
of
san
jose?
And
so
I
I
do
like
the
idea
of
maybe
honing
in
more
on
what
is
that
win-win
outside
of
an
ordinance?
But
again,
that's
just
something
from
my
perspective,
just
based
on
what
I've
seen
in
terms
of
work.
B
G
A
H
Thank
you
here.
Well,
I
I
agree
in
principle
with
vice
mayor
jones's
motion.
I
didn't
want
to
second
it
because
I
frankly,
I
think
we've
waited
so
long
for
this,
and
I
know
what
doordash
comes
and
tells
us
at
rules,
but
we
don't
necessarily
know
that
they
would
do
the
things
that
they've
been
savor
rattling
about,
like
they
did
at
rules
two
weeks
ago
or
a
week
ago.
I
can't
even
remember,
because
this
issue
is
dragged
on
I'm
very,
very
concerned
about
the
restaurants
we
have
already
seen
it
seems
like
almost
every
day.
H
I
don't
know
about
the
rest
of
you,
but
my
restaurants,
who
who
applied
for
that
program
and
didn't
get.
It
are
heartbroken
that
they've
had
to
lay
off
staff
that
they've
had
to
either
close
their
doors
temporarily
or
that
that
they're
running
at
10
20
of
staff.
I'm
just
I
don't
understand
why.
We've
taken
so
many
other
actions
and
we
know
how
many
of
our
restaurants
are
struggling.
Right
now
and
mayor
you
and
I
put
out
the
alfresco
program,
which
is
is
planning
for
later,
but
this
is
for
right
now,
while
they're
struggling.
H
There
would
be
time
pressure
if
we
said
staff
come
back
to
us,
have
the
meetings
and
come
back
to
us
to
rules
next
week,
and
I
would
really,
I
just
think
we're
not
giving
this
the.
We
don't
have
the
urgency
that
this
issue
deserves,
and
I
appreciate
the
app
companies
doing
what
they
have
done
in
in
response
to
covid
to
reduce
their
fees
and
make
sure
their
drivers
are
taken
care
of.
H
But
I
did
see
on
your
list
that
that
some
of
the
cities
had
to
put
in
place
that
100
of
the
tips
go
to
drivers.
So
it
sounds
like
they
had
to
do
that,
because
doordash
must
be
taking
some
of
those
tips
as
well.
Some
of
the
delivery
apps
are
taking
part
of
the
tips
that
are
supposed
to
go
to
the
drivers
that
they
had
to
put
in
an
ordinance,
so
I'm
just
very
concerned
about
trying
to
get
a
win-win
without
the
potential
of
having
the
ordinance
as
a
backup
plan.
I
Thank
you,
so
my
district
is
pretty
large
compared
to
the
district.
Next
to
me,
which
is
district,
five,
probably
three
times
larger
than
in
size
and
not
folks,
and
so
what
this
is.
My
district
would
be
one
of
the
districts
that
probably
would
gets
received
some
of
the
the
the
consequences
of
having
a
cap
here,
which
is
a
lot
of
our
isolated,
seniors
or
folks
who
are
willing
to
pay
a
little
higher
and
maybe
aren't
bothered
with
with
a
cap,
and
that
because
that's
not
their
concern.
I
I
know
I
said
it
wrong.
I
think
it's
mariah
anyways
she,
I
know
she
connected
with
delac
mexico,
lindo
and
another
restaurant
in
d8,
and
they
have
benefited
from
the
50
commission
relief
program
and
we
connected
directly
with
the
the
restaurants,
and
so
I
know
some
of
what
doordash.
I'm
not
saying
everything
that
that
folks
tell
us
is
true,
but
I
think
when
we
vetted
some
of
their
information,
we
found
it
to
be
true.
I
I
don't
know
how
everything
is
working
out
for
the
rest
of
the
the
delivery
companies,
but
I
do
think
that
that-
and
I
agree
with
you
mayor
that
I
think
there
should
be
some
kind
of
tiered
program,
because
otherwise
people
won't
come
doctors
or
delivery.
Folks,
just
won't
make
it
out
to
district
8..
They
just
won't.
If
there's
a
limit,
they
just
won't
and-
and
we
don't
have
the
luxury
or
the
choices
of
restaurants
as
downtown
does
or
other
districts.
B
J
Well,
I
can
tell
you
that
the
delivery
business
is
not
an
easy
business.
When
I
was
running
safeway
food
stores,
we
had
tried
to
do
delivery
and
as
as
big
and
strong
as
safeway
is
they
couldn't
make
it
pencil
they
just
we
tried
it
and
then
they
stopped
and
then
they
started
trying
it
again
about
15
years
out.
You
know
I
haven't
worked
for
safeway
since
19
I'm
going
to
age
myself.
Here
I
was
a
manager
at
safeway
in
1995.
J
I
think
no
four
and
we
had
tried
it
back
then
and,
like
I
said
it
was
a
money
losing
business.
I
and
I
couldn't
see
the
delivery
business
working
out
for
restaurants
for
a
long
time,
and
I
was
happy
to
see
businesses
like
doordash
start
because
it's
it
is
it's
a
it's
a
it's
tough
to
make
a
to
to
make
any
kind
of
living
in
this
business.
J
So
my
main
concern
here
is
that
we
may
be
killing
this
new
type
of
business
by
regulating
it.
You
know,
there's
always
two
sides
to
a
story,
and
I
and
I
I
appreciate
some-
the
face
mask
thing
and
I
and
I
don't
know
if,
if
that's
true
or
not
I'd
especially
you
know
I,
but
I
I
know
that
I
received
20
letters
from
drivers
in
my
inbox
saying
that
they
they
don't.
You
know
they.
J
If
we
regulate
it,
they're
gonna
be
out
of
business,
and
these
are
my
constituents
as
well
as
drivers
for
doordash.
So
I
don't
think
rushing
into
making
laws
or
regulations
is
very
helpful.
I
do
like
to
have.
I
would
like
to
have
a
conversation,
I'd
love
to
sit
these
two
sides
down
and
have
a
conversation,
and
I
think
that
the
chamber
is
in
a
position
to
do
this.
I
also
don't
want
to
bring
something
to
council
that
isn't
fully
baked
so
that
you
know
that
you
know.
J
J
I
I
do
believe
that
the
market
works
in
general
and
I
don't
believe
that
stepping
in
right
now
is
appropriate.
I,
the
business,
is
that
the
restaurants
that
have
been
going
out
of
business
are
mainly
the
ones
that
are
sit
down
and
sit
down.
Businesses
have
been
killed
and
that
mainly
because
nobody's
going
there
to
sit
down
and
enjoy
a
meal.
J
I
know
that
I
know
that
I
talked
to
some
mcdonald's
and
other
owners
of
of
faster
food
types
of
businesses
and
they're
thriving
they're,
actually
doing
more
business
now
than
they
were
before,
and
so
I
I
hesitate
to
get
into
micromanaging
businesses,
and
I
I
don't
you
know
I
I
don't
know
you
know.
I
appreciate
that
councilmember
sorry,
vice
mayor
chappie,
jones's
motion
sense
sends
us
off
to
you,
know,
mediate
something,
and
I
actually
don't
mind
having
that
exercise.
J
However,
staff
did
say
that
they
don't
have
the
bandwidth
and
I'm
very
cognizant
of
the
bandwidth
of
staff.
So
you
know
unless
unless
staff
says
you
know,
we
could
do
this,
then
I'm
likely
not
to
vote
for
it,
and
my
question
is
to
angel.
Is
this
something
that
you
have
time
to
undertake?
I
mean
I,
I
do
want
these
sides
to
get
together.
I'd
love
to
see
a
a
commitment
without
us
passing
new
laws.
So
basically
a
mediation.
K
Well,
council,
member,
you
know
I
mean
clearly
if,
if
the
council
wants
us
to
focus
on
this
and
of
course
we
would
prioritize
that
work,
give
it.
Having
said
that
from
a
bandwidth
perspective,
I
I
quite
frankly
don't
think
we
have
the
bandwidth
right
now.
Organizationally
I
mean
I
think
we
are.
We
are,
you
know
banging
on
all
cylinders
on
so
many
different
fronts
and
not
all
just
coded.
It's
also
other
aspects
of
running
the
city.
K
So
from
a
bandwidth
standpoint
I
would
have
to
say
we
would
be
really
hard-pressed
to
do
a
really
effective
job
there
are.
There
may
be
an
alternative
approach,
which
is
let
this
conversation
be
mediated
within
the
private
sector.
These
are
both
private
sector
companies,
and
that
would
be
one
approach
with
recommendations
from
that
group
back
to
to
you
all
but
I'll
defer
to
dave,
but
from
a
bandwidth
standpoint.
J
I
I
think
that
you
guys
are
in
the
best
position
to
to
help
us
arbitrate
this
and
as
as
a
business
organization,
you
guys
are
gonna,
hopefully
do
things,
that's
fair
for
both
sides
and
that
won't
kill
one
business
or
the
other,
and
that's
what
I'm
hoping
that
you
could
help
do.
Is
that
something
that
you
guys
are
willing
to
take
on.
M
In
summary,
yes,
we'd
be
honored
to
take
on
this
opportunity
and
you're
right,
we're
not
the
chamber
of
commerce,
we're
not
in
a
position,
and
it
is
disingenuous
for
us
to
pick
one
industry
over
the
other.
I
think
it's
in
our
best
interest
to
find
a
balanced
solution.
I've
heard
some
ideas,
such
as
a
restaurant,
resiliency
fund
or
other
ideas
for
perhaps
even
a
higher
rate
cap.
That
is
more
consistent
with
other
industries,
so
I
think
we
are
very
happy
to
take
on
that
mediation
role
and
to
work
with
both
industries.
J
Well,
I'd
be
willing
to.
I
don't
know
if
the
vice
mayor
wants
to
amend
his
motion
and
to
have
the
restaurant
industry
mediate
this,
and
maybe
one
of
us
could
sit.
Maybe
since
lund
is
very
much
you
know
concerned
about
this,
maybe
lund
could
be
there
as
a
as
as
a
person
from
the
council
who
can
help
on
this,
and
I
I
don't
know
if
the
vice
mayor
is
willing
to
amend
his
motion
so
that
our
staff
doesn't
have
to
be
burdened.
G
J
N
Yeah
and
then
the
app
companies,
you
know,
I
think
that
we
could.
We
could
rely
on
other
app
companies
to
join
us
in
the
conversation.
So
it's
not
just
us
and
perhaps
dashers
as
well,
because
they're
a
critical
side
of
this
marketplace
that
represent
the
workers
in
your
districts,
who
are
doing
this
work
and
relying
on
this
income.
So
I
think
that
that
would
be.
That
would
be
a
fine
next
step.
J
G
B
G
M
I
think
one
week
could
work,
especially
if
we
can
get
all
the
partners
to
communicate
within
24
hours
and
if
it's
a
virtual
meeting,
I
think
we
can
certainly
do
that.
So
what
I
would
do
is
I
would
connect
with
the
app
companies,
as
well
as
restaurants
or
restaurant
representatives
on
the
agenda
and
to
plan
out
an
efficient
meeting
on
certain
discussion
items
and
that
way,
hopefully,
we
can
get
together
some
kind
of
a
consensus
and
a
recommendation
before
the
council.
B
Right,
I
accept
everyone,
the
incentive
to
to
actually
move
things
along
when
it
makes
sense
for
it
to
come
back
to
rules.
I
think
folks
tend
to
negotiate
most
in
good
faith
when
they
know
that
there's
always
the
potential
that
the
city
could
come
along
with
an
ordinance
that
will
do
worse
than,
however
they
whatever
deal
they
might
want
to
negotiate
the
table.
B
H
G
N
I
I
Right,
well,
the
fees
we've
we
haven't
had
an
answer
in
terms
of
whether
we
cap
the
fees
we
cap
well.
For
some
of
these
folks
who
have
been
on
the
phone
and
just
have
shared
with
us,
is
that
their
understanding
is
the
workers.
Understanding.
Is
that
the?
If
the
fees
are
capped,
then
their
portion
of
of
of
income
is
also
limited?
I
Now
I
don't
know
whether
that's
true
or
not,
that's
a
question
I
had
last
week
in
rules,
and
so-
and
I
haven't
had
that
answered,
and
I
don't
know
that
any
delivery
service
company
is
going
to
share
their
percentages,
but
I
want
to
know
if
the
cap
is
going
to
hurt
the
workers
and
whatever
agreement
is,
is
worked
out.
I
think
some
kind
of
worker
representative
has
to
be
there
because
they're
part
of
this
delivery,
this
ecosystem,
without
without
these
workers,
you
don't
have
it
just
can't
work
out.
I
G
I
Yeah-
and
I
I
I
don't
know
like-
I
have
no
idea
but-
and
I
don't
know
if,
if
jeffrey
buchanan,
I
think
he's
the
only
one
from
working
partnerships
that
was
on
here-
I
don't
know
if
he's
still
on
there
on
that
call,
but
I
I
just
want
us
to
have
somebody
represented
at
the
media
and
it
sounds
like
you're
open
to
that.
So
I
appreciate
that.
J
But
from
what
I
understand,
jeffrey
buchanan
doesn't
represent
anyone
of
these
workers,
and
so
I
don't
necessarily
want
somebody
who
may
be
disruptive
and
maybe
going
down
a
different
path,
because
I
I
know
that
they
have
their
other
other
motives
for
being
in
that
meeting
other
than
you
know,
working
out
a
a
fee,
a
schedule
here,
and
so
I
I
want
us
to
come
out
of
this
meeting
with
with
agreements
on
fees
and
and
what
have
you.
So
I
don't
want
us
to
go
down
the
path
of
of
you
know.
J
N
Yeah,
I
was
just
gonna
share
that
you
know
bringing
in
a
worker
like
an
organizing
group
like
what
was
represented
earlier.
It's
into
this
conversation
is
kind
of
like
bringing
a
restaurant
organizing
group
to
a
a
labor
negotiation,
so
I
feel
like
it
might
be
a
little
out
of
place
to
bring
a
representative
body
what
council
member
camas
shared.
You
know
around
bringing
workers
like
the
actual
dashers
into
the
conversation.
Perhaps,
as
you
know,
in
the
audience,
or
something
like
that,
I
feel
like
that
might
be.
N
That
might
be
interesting,
but
I
I
don't
think
that
having
them
have
a
role
in
the
fee
structure
between
restaurants
and
delivery
services
feels
like
an
appropriate
use
of
their
of
their
influence.
I
do
feel
like
having
their
in
input
on
what
the
impact
would
be
is
helpful,
but
having
them
play
a
direct
role
in
a
negotiation
between
the
two
parties,
I'm
not
sure
if
that
would
be
appropriate,
but
I'm
open
to
this
discussion,
and
I'm
I'm
definitely
listening
to
hear
how
you
all
think
about
it.
I
I
N
N
L
L
I
I
would
just
I
guess,
raise
the
question
it
feels
like
the
rules
committee
wants
an
informal
kind
of
a
gentleman's
agreement
between
the
the
app
industry
and
restaurants
and
and
I'm
fearful
of
that,
how
that
can
even
come
about
without
some
sort
of
council
adoption
of
formalizing.
The
terms
that
you
know
the
group
decides
to
land
on
whether
it's
you
know
20
feet
or
15,
or
whatever
else,
ppe
or
workers
pay
or
whatever.
L
So,
even
if
we
get
like
50
restaurants
in
a
room
with
the
four
delivery
services,
those
50
restaurants,
agreeing
to
whatever
terms
is
not
necessarily
representative
of
of
anybody.
Well,
I
mean
it's
representative
clearly,
but
basically
we
would
have
to
I
I
feel
come
up
and
say:
okay,
this
is
the
agreement
out
of
the
out
of
the
meeting.
Formally
council
will
adopt
it
somehow
and
and
that's
just
my
thinking,
otherwise,
it's
kind
of
an
interesting
conversation,
but
without
any
force
of
force
of
actually
adhering
to
it.
L
I'm,
and
I
also
want
to
point
out
that
you
know
we.
I
appreciate
mariah
mariah
nope,
no,
not
ryan,
being
here,
mario
mario
maria
being
here,
but
but
I
don't
want
to
make
this
about
doordash,
because
there
are
other
companies
right
and,
and
so
we've
been
talking
about
doordash
and
dashers,
and
I
don't
want
doordash
as
a
brand
to
feel
attacked
or
singled
out.
There
are
other
companies
here
and,
to
the
extent
that
doordash
is,
is
a
good
player
and
and
best
practices
and
they've.
L
You
know
discounted
their
fees
unilaterally
and
voluntarily
by
maria's
own
comments
that
ends
in
three
days
and
so
right
now
the
water's
just
fine,
but
in
three
days
you're
going
to
go
back
up
to
30
or
40
or
whatever
the
percentage
is
that's
standard
and
and
our
restaurants
are
going
to
hurt
because
we
are
still
we
don't
know.
If
we're
going
to
still
be
in
shelter
in
place.
L
The
governor
said
you
can
move
back
out,
but
the
county
has
not
made
any
clear
indication
so
we're
in
here
for
like
another
month,
let's
say
hope
not
but
let's
say
another
month
and
fees
go
back
up
to
25
30.
Well,
what
will
become
of
our
restaurants
then?
And
that
is
essentially
my
concern
in
proposing
this.
I
I
don't
really,
you
know,
want
to
get
into
micromanaging,
apps
and
whatnot
either,
but
as
san
jose
we're
the
10th
largest
city
in
the
united
states
and
yes,
we're
kind
of
suburban.
L
But
if
this
business
model
can't
work
in
san
jose,
well,
you're,
basically
saying
you're
only
going
to
work
in
the
nine
largest
cities
in
the
united
states
and
and
the
rest
of
america
is
not
really
workable
as
a
delivery
service,
because
we
are
the
10th
and
we
are
so
much
suburban,
but
you
can't
make
it
work.
Where
are
you
going
to
make
it
work,
just
the
top
nine?
So
I
would
like
to
flesh
that
out
and
I'm
not
trying
to
single
out
the
apps,
but
I
think
the
fees
to
make
them
work.
L
A
B
Okay
yeah,
I
I
understand
that
an
agreement
will
not
be
binding
unless
someone
is
willing
to
make
voluntary
commitments
and
even
then
it's
not
binding,
and
so
I'm
guessing
that,
whatever
agreements
that
have
to
be
hammered
out
would
ultimately
need
to
be
taken
back
to
council
to
enact
so
that
if
there
are
one
or
two
outliers
who
don't
agree
to
whatever
commitment
is
made,
then
we'd
have
to
do
that
to
make
it
uniform.
So
I'm
guessing
is
going
to
require
some
additional
action
by
the
city.
G
Yes
and
mayor
just
for
some
clarification,
the
intent
of
my
motion
is
for
a
direct
negotiation
with
the
restaurant
representatives
and
the
delivery
company
representatives
that
I'm
also
open
and
willing
to
allow
other
stakeholders
to
have
input,
but
the
negotiation
is
between
those
two
entities.
So
I
just
want
to
just
have
clarity
on
that,
so,
whether
it's
working
partnerships
or
representatives
from
the
dashers
or
whatever
groups
that
want
to
have
input,
I
think
it
could
be
valuable
and
useful,
but
the
negotiation
is
between
those
two
entities.
B
B
A
A
F
F
We
are
going
to
be
asking
for
a
protocol
to
be
established
for
all
commissions,
but
partic,
and
particularly
those
commissioners
who
are
at
serious
medical
risk
until
a
vaccine
for
covid
comes
up,
we
need
to
be
able
to
attend
meetings
other
than
coming
down
to
city
hall
and
sitting
in
a
meeting
so
that
that
email
should
be
to
you
by
the
end
of
the
day.
Thank
you.
E
A
community
energy
advisory
commission-
that's
right,
okay,
good!
Yes,
I
am
learning
important
good
lessons
about
local
community
energy.
At
this
time
it
has
been.
You
know,
just
a
really
good
learning.
Experience
for
myself
and
san
jose
has
made
their
own
particular
deals
with
pg
e
in
early
april,
other
local
community
energies
of
the
bay
area
are
being
forced
to
basically
make
the
same
deal.
You
know
it
describes.
E
E
You
know
a
certain
course.
You
know.
I
think
I
think
we've
allowed
ourselves
to
be
open
to
positive
energy
sustainability
ideas
at
this
time,
and
I
hope
you
know
we
will
want
to
work
towards
those
efforts
as
local
bay
area
communities
and
not
just
settle
for
you
know
nuclear
power.
Smart
technology
plans
and,
and
that
that
line
of
thinking,
so
good
luck
with
this
issue,
I
hope
we
can
talk
about
this
more
openly.
More
often,
thank
you.
B
B
E
Hi,
let
me
go
to
my
speech
here.
Thank
you
to
conclude
my
public
record
speech.
I
hope
we
can
work
on
ways
at
this
time
to
help
everyday
people
avoid
having
to
jump
through
unnecessary
economic
hoops
where
they
can
get
hurt
to
offer
a
form
of
a
public
notice.
On
june
2nd,
there
will
be
a
public
meeting
as
the
sjda
and
city
government
want
to
replace
all
of
the
current
asian
pear
trees
in
the
downtown
post
street
alleyway,
with
maple
and
red
bud,
deciduous
trees
that
will
have
many
fall
colors.
E
The
current
pear
trees
are
aged
and
slightly
diseased,
besides
initial
feelings,
to
want
to
keep
the
current
trees
and
to
soften
a
kobit,
19
pd
ptsd
process,
most
people
are
going
through
at
this
time.
I
feel
an
important
question
at
this
time
is:
can
there
be
a
way
to
plan
a
phase-in
replacement
approach
over
several
months
or
years,
as
opposed
to
an
all-at-once
replacement
approach,
currently
favored
by
the
sjda
and
city
government?
E
Again,
the
virtual
meeting
on
the
subject
is
sometime
on
june,
2nd.
Look
it
up
on
the
city,
public
website
or
email,
the
city,
san
jose
city
arborist,
for
details
and
to
conclude,
what
can
be
a
good
public
meeting
practices
this
summer?
Community
and
local
government
together
can
politely
plan
and
organize
issues
of
economy,
rent
tech,
schooling
and
cohort
19
into
the
fall
of
2019
and
2020
and
21.