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A
You're
welcome.
You
are
now
live.
Thank
you,
terrific.
At
106,
we
will
call
the
second
day
of
our
budget
hearings
to
order
it
is
april,
13th
2022,
and
if
we
could
get
a
roll
call
vote,
please.
C
A
Romero
worth
I
am
here,
thank
you.
I
think
all
the
members
of
the
committee
are
here.
So
will
you
go
to
approval
of
the
agenda?
Do
we
have
any
changes
director
mccoy,
no
changes,
madam
chair?
All
right,
can
we
get
a
motion
to
approve
the
agenda
move
to
approve?
Second,
we
have
a
motion
in
a
second
for
approval
of
the
agenda.
Can
we
get
a
roll
call?
Please?
A
E
E
A
Terrific
all
right
we
are
this
is,
as
I
said,
this
is
the
second
day
we
have
one
two,
three
four
five,
six
different
budgets
to
go
through
and
again.
My
job
here
is
to
try
to
keep
us
on
track.
A
Keep
us
on
time
and
appreciate
everybody
being
here
appreciate
the
work
of
of
mary
and
her
team
and
of
this
committee
to
going
through
and
helping
us
understand
what's
in
this
budget,
and
I
want
to
welcome
our
city
clerk
and
her
team,
as
they
are
the
first
budget
up
community
engagement-
and
I
don't
know.
F
Yes,
madam
chair
committee,
members,
we
will
be
sharing
the
powerpoint
presentation
and
director
mahilsek
will
be
walking
us
through
her
proposed
fy23
budget
very
similar
to
the
structure
we
had
yesterday
with
director
jones
great.
E
Perfect,
I
don't
know
who
will
oh
there
we
go.
I
always
wanted
to
be
the
one
that
says
next
slide,
please.
So
here
we
go.
I
don't
know
lawrence.
Are
you
handling
the
budget
presentations
like
that.
E
Okay,
hey
brad,
so
yes,
if
you
want
to
hop
over
to
slide
two
I'll,
just
do
a
very
quick
overview
for
our
department.
I
want
to
note
that
as
the
community
engagement
department,
that
is
also
it's
a
combination
of
the
city,
clerk's
office,
the
community
engagement
division
and
it
also
includes
the
public
defender,
the
clerk's
office,
as
you
know,
really
focuses
on
the
retention
of
records
meetings,
agendas
minutes.
E
It
also
includes
the
mail
room
and
duplicating
community
engagement
is
constituent
services,
special
events,
communication,
as
well
as
the
council
liaison
position
and
as
you'll
see
in
the
budget
proposal,
some
additional
positions
that
we're
requesting
for
added
support
as
we
move
forward
in
this
next
year
and,
of
course,
the
public
defender
which
provides
our
professional
legal
services
to
indigent
residents
within
our
community
that
are
charged
with
crimes
in
the
city
of
santa
fe.
So
that's
a
very
quick
overview
and
andy
or
I'm
sorry,
brad.
E
I
think
you're,
the
one
with
the
yes,
so
these
are
just
some
high
level
budget
increases.
I
think,
to
be
honest,
I
we
want
to
hop
to
the
next
slide
that
really
goes
into
detail
for
each
individual
section
which
again
through
the
clerk's
office.
Some
of
the
highlights
of
things
that
we're
looking
for
are
an
increase
in
well.
E
You
know
what
brad,
I
think
this
is
actually
well
I'll
work
through
with
some
additional
language,
but
not
the
latest
version,
so
the
clerk's
office
is
requesting
additional
funding
for
our
records
retention
and
that
is
in
compliance
to
come
into
compliance
to
review
the
policy
for
some
of
our
records
retention.
Sorry,
I'm
looking
at
different
notes,
so
I'm
just
going
to
swap
to
my
own
notes
really
fast
for
this.
So
again,
the
50
000
is
for
the
city
record
retention
policy
to
process
additional
records
requests
and
then
to
assist
with
retention
backlog.
E
I
think,
as
I've
mentioned
in
previous
governing
body
meetings,
it's
something
that
our
department's
been
focusing
on,
that
there
hadn't
been
a
focus
to
previously
as
an
example,
we
have
processed
2016,
17,
18
bills,
ordinances
and
resolutions,
as
well
as
2019
2020
and
21
governing
body
minute
meetings
in
the
most
recent
years
and,
of
course,
we're
working
on
processing
some
of
our
additional
committee
meetings,
we're
also
requesting
capacity
and
financing
to
build
out
a
platform
for
online
campaign
finance
reporting.
E
This
has
been
a
desire
to
bring
us
into
compliance,
not
into
compliance,
excuse
me,
but
into
the
modern
world
of
politics.
E
This
will,
I
think,
in
many
ways
really
help
anyone
seeking
public
campaign
financing
it'll
allow
us
an
opportunity
to
get
those
five
dollar
donations
online,
and
then
this
will
also
allow
everybody
to
immediately
upload
their
reports
and
receipts
for
their
campaign
reporting.
So
I
think
this
is
really
a
huge
step
forward
for
us
in
the
clerk's
office,
as
it
relates
to
public
campaign
financing
and
reporting.
E
We're
very
excited
about
that.
Another
piece
that
we're
requesting
is
75
000
to
implement
the
language
accessibility
study
recommendations.
This
is
a
study
that
our
office
is
currently
overseeing,
and
this
is
very
exciting.
E
So
this
funding
is
actually
a
continuation
of
that
language
accessibility
study
and
will
allow
us
to
implement
some
of
the
recommendations,
as
well
as
standardize
the
areas
that
we
currently
the
areas
and
priority
in
which
documents
are
translated,
as
well
as
meetings
for
interpretation
and
then
standard
maintenance
for
our
copy
machines,
which,
of
course
run
everything
from
our
senior
newsletters
to
mailers
and
even
our
some
of
our
pay
stubs
and
then.
Lastly,
I
think
on
this
slide
is
funding
for
ecrb.
E
Currently,
I'm
working
with
our
attorney's
office
we're
completely
rewriting
the
we're
doing
a
code
rewrite
and
review
based
on
the
last
election
to
help
bring
us
closer
in
line
with
the
local
election
act,
as
well
as
reviewing
our
ecrb
section,
the
complaint
process
and
some
of
our
public
campaign
financing.
So
this
really
helps
with
that
and,
of
course,
during
the
election
year,
when
we
have
complaints
against
current
governing
body
members,
this
attorney
also
assists
with
that
so
brad
you
want
to
go
to
the
next
slide.
E
Next
slide
all
right,
and
then
this
is
the
community
engagement
section.
Some
of
the
overviews
that
I
want
to
highlight
is
the
web
content
manager
position.
This
is
really
exciting.
We've
been
working
on
a
new
website
for
a
little
while
now
it
was
a
goal
of
the
mayor.
I
think
it's
the
last.
In
his
first
term,
it
was
a
project
that
I
took
on
when
I
became
the
director
for
community
engagement
along
with
the
clerk's
office,
and
so
we're
hoping
for
a
launch
actually
in
june
of
our
new
website.
E
This
content
manager
position
would
create
the
consistency
across
the
board
for
the
website.
It
would
allow
the
content
to
remain
consistent,
and
it
would
also
allow
us
to
make
modifications
immediately
to
the
website,
as
well
as
really
use
this
as
the
tool
that
it
is
websites
for
most
organizations
are
considered
their
most
powerful
communication
tool.
I
don't
feel
that's
the
case
with
our
current
website,
but
we're
getting
there
and
we'll
launch
our
new
website.
E
E
Many
of
you
know
that
more
commonly
as
marisol
adkins
she's,
actually
creating
a
guide
for
us
it'll,
be
a
standard
template
on
how
the
city
of
santa
fe
engages
and
does
engagement
across
the
entire
city,
so
that
we
don't
have
variation
from
department
to
department
and
then
the
guide
will
also
help
us,
define
our
engagement
purpose,
our
achievable
goals
and
then
set
a
clear
strategy
for
successful
community
engagement
across
the
board.
E
So
again,
this
position
will
really
be
tasked
with
implementing
and
overseeing
the
communication
strategies.
Excuse
me,
the
community
engagement
strategies
across
the
entire
city,
we're
retooling
or
we've
requested
a
position
for
a
volunteer
coordinator
position.
This
is
something
that
we've
seen
drastically
increase
in
recent
months
and
even
years.
This
position
really
would
help
our
organization
with
internal
business
and
ad
capacity.
We
have
a
ton
of
residents
who
love
community
service
who
want
to
help
the
city
of
santa
fe.
E
This
really
goes
to,
I
think,
an
overall
effort
and
tone
in
the
entire
city,
which
is
a
lot
of
residents.
Businesses
organizations
are
interested
in
volunteering
and
being
connected
to
volunteer
opportunities,
so
that
kind
of
walks
through.
I
do
want
to
note
on
this.
There
was
a
reclassification
of
a
vacant
liaison
position
that
I
think
was
inadvertently
included
in
this.
As
most
of
you
know,
I've
been
working
with
you
to
actually
post
that
position
and
solicit
feedback.
So
that
is
not
the
intent
of
this
position.
E
The
full
intent
is
to
get
the
council
additional
support
and
refill
the
council
lease
on
position,
I'm
working
through
the
feedback
that
current
counselor
members
have
provided
about
this
position.
So
I
do
want
to
note
that-
and
I
probably
should
have
started
with
that.
To
be
honest,
but
I
do
want
to
make
that
known
that
we
absolutely
are
looking
to
get
additional
assistance
to
city
council
members
and
I
actually
greatly
appreciate
the
feedback
that
I've
received
so
far
for
that
position
and
then
just
moving
on
through
the
rest
of
the
budget.
E
I
think
requests
it's
been
great
working
on
chart.
I
think
that
the
intent
is
to
continue
the
work
that
we've
done
into
the
next
fiscal
year.
We've
asked
for
additional
funding
for
special
events
and
advertising
for
those
special
events.
Again
is
the
city
I
think
most
of
you
were
at
the
easter
egg
hunt
on
saturday.
E
It
was
a
probably
the
best
attended
event.
We've
maybe
ever
had
outside
of
the
puzzle
lighting,
and
it
was
one
of
a
series
of
25
events
that
will
have
been
hosted
in
this
year.
So
really,
all
of
that
is
to
accommodate
movies
in
the
park.
We're
going
to
bring
back
the
fishing
derby,
easter
egg
hunt,
plaza
lighting,
and
that's
not
only
for
programming,
but
also
for
advertising
of
special
events.
E
I
do
want
to
know
on
this
next
one
we
put
in
50
000
to
clean
up
lighted
and
nuisance
properties
in
santa
fe.
I
will
note-
and
I'm
very
proud
of
the
fact
that
this
past
fiscal
year
we
have
done
something
that
we've
never
done
in
the
city
of
santa
fe.
We
have
cleaned
and
leaned
almost
leaned
a
second
property,
but
definitely
one
we
had
one
off
of
alwa
freya.
E
So
this
is
something
we
plan
on
doing
moving
forward.
I
again
couldn't
be
more
proud
of
the
fact
that
this
is
a
brand
new
approach,
we've
taken
as
part
of
the
redevelopment
that
many
of
the
counselors
worked
on
through
the
nuisance
property
and
giving
us
a
bit
more
teeth.
I
think,
is
what
we
lovingly
say
about
that
ordinance
gave
us
teeth
to
do
these
types
of
things,
so
there's
additional
funding
in
there
for
that,
as
well
as
additional
direct
informational
advertisement
to
residents.
E
So
we
are
moving
forward
with
a
lot
of
social
media
advertisement
advertising
and
then
also
growing
our
own
distributions
for
residents
and
getting
information
out
not
only
about
events
but
also
about
city
business
in
general
programs
and
also
compliance
issues
and
then
13
000
to
continue
our
happier,
not
programming
which
again
solicits
public
feedback
about
city
services
at
many
locations
across
the
city
of
santa
fe,
and
many
managers,
directors
and
facilities
use
that
feedback
in
their
daily
operations,
including
the
gcc
libraries,
airport
and
rec
centers.
E
So
that's
kind
of
a
quick
overview
of
that
and
then
I'm
sure
I
spoke
way
too
fast
and
covered
many
things.
But
I'm
not
sure
if
at
that
point,
that
is
in
large
part,
a
high
level
overview
of
some
of
the
things
I've
requested
in
our
budget
and
don't
know
that
we
specifically
had
a
slide
calling
out
our
public
defender.
But
I
do
just
want
to
note
any
additional
funding
that
we
receive
for
that.
We
average
about
500
cases
per
year.
E
And
councilwoman,
I'm
not
sure
if
there's
anything
else,
I
think
some
just
a
quick
add-on
to
some
of
the
things
I've
mentioned
and
requests
that
were
either
status
quo
in
our
budget.
The
shopping
carts
is
something
that
I
think
we've
seen
great
success
on.
It
was
an
area
we
were
creative
with
finding
funding
this
fiscal
year
and
launched
a
pilot
project
based
off
of
constituent
requests
and
crm
numbers.
We've
seen
great
use
of
our
shopping,
cart,
contract
and
picking
up
shopping
carts
on
the
street.
E
A
Probably
right
can
we
stop
sharing
screen
for
just
a
second,
and
I
notice
you
have
two
members
of
your
team.
Maybe
you
just
want
to
introduce
them
since
they
are
here
and
just
so,
everybody
has
a
chance
to
to
know
who
they
are
and
what
they
do.
Yes,
absolutely
thank.
E
You
thank
you.
Councillor
romero
we
have
isabella
sharp
on
with
us.
Isabella
is
the
administrative
manager
for
our
department.
She
oversees
every
penny
that
we
spend
and
facilitates
all
of
our
contracts.
All
of
our
purchase
orders
rex
she
oversees
the
budget
for
every
division
in
our
department
or
every
section,
so
that
again
includes
communication.
Special
events,
mail,
room,
duplicating
records
retention,
izzy
really
is
essential
in
every
way
to
the
functionality
of
our
department.
E
She
also
processes
all
of
our
pas
hr
requests
and
so
forth,
and
then
we
have
mr
allen
cardenas
she's,
our
assistant
city
clerk.
Journalin,
is
definitely
essential
in
all
of
our
meetings.
Agendas,
packet,
materials,
jarelyn
also
oversees
our
committee
appointments
and
just
really
definitely
our
clerk
knowledge.
So
gee,
I
don't
know
if
either
of
you
want
to
say
hello
as
well
or
add
on
to
your
introductions,
but
both
are
essential
in
the
development
of
our
office
and
everything
we
do
kind
of
moving
forward.
A
Great
welcome
and
sounds
like
it's
gonna
be
a
busy
year.
If,
if
this
budget
is
approved
and
also
it's,
you
know
continuing
a
lot
of
business,
I
would
say
that
happens
from
your
office.
I
think,
if
you're
ready,
we'll
go
to
questions
from
the
committee
with
regard
to
this
budget.
H
Okay,
I
just
have
a
few
questions
christine.
Thank
you
very
much
for
the
presentation.
H
Thank
you
for
clarifying
that
we
are
still
keeping
our
council
liaison
position
because
I
wouldn't
want
to
be
the
person
to
deliver
the
news
that
that
was
going
away.
H
H
E
Chair
romero
worth
counselor
lindell,
it
is,
we
are
working
through
updates
to
the
city
code
right
now.
However,
I
do
want
to
note
that
there
was
a
ordinance
change
that
the
governing
body
approved
in
this
last
year
that
also
modified
language
to
clarify
that
electronic
payments
could
be
used,
and
during
that
discussion
this
was
one
of
the
things
that
was
discussed
was
the
desire
to
have
electronic
and
online
capabilities.
So
this
is
in
part
direction
from
that
ordinance
and
discussion
both
from
the
ecrb
as
well
as
governing
body.
But
you
are
correct.
E
H
Okay,
thank
you
on
the
125
000
to
continue
the
work
on
chart.
H
I
thought
that
chart
was
was
not
in
your
shop
anymore.
E
You
are
correct:
the
find
the
finances
for
chart.
I'm
sorry,
chair,
romero
worth
councillor
lindell,
the
finances
for
char
are
still
in
my
department.
25
000
of
that
request
is
actually
to
accommodate
the
last
payment.
As
the
resolution
extended
the
chart
processed
one
month
approximately
one
month
outside
of
this
fiscal
year,
I'm
sorry
two
months
it
extended
it
until
august,
and
so
twenty
five
thousand
dollars
of
that
is
to
accommodate
the
extension
of
the
resolution
and
the
contract
time
frame.
E
It's
not
and
then
the
additional
funding-
and
I
may
tag
in
another
individual
that
would
have
additional
information,
but
I
think
the
desire
was
to
continue
outreach
and
any
additional
resources
for
the
chart
process
to
continue.
F
First,
mr
blair,
chair
romero
worth
counselor
lindell.
The
funding
was
placed
in
the
current
fiscal
year
a
little
over
300
000
about
326,
I
believe,
thousand
in
the
city
clerk's
budget
because
of
the
funding
source,
the
funding
sources
general
fund-
and
there
is
no
general
fund
in
the
arts
and
culture
department
budget.
So
we
are
maintaining
the
additional
25
000
for
the
two
months
to
continue
and
finish
the
chart
process
in
the
city
clerk's
budget
into
fiscal
year
23..
F
Additionally,
after
that
there
may
be
some
follow-up
from
the
chart
process
to
continue
this
very
important
dialogue
with
our
community,
and
that
is
the
hundred
thousand
dollar
allocation
for
the
remainder
of
the
year.
At
this
point,
the
hundred
thousand
is
to
be
used
for
any
outcomes
of
the
chart
process
through
that
august
time
frame
that
director
mihalsak
referenced
earlier.
F
F
I
Tara
maraworth,
council
lindell.
Thank
you
for
the
question.
The
only
thing
I
would
add
to
what
dr
mccoy
said
is
that
the
way
that
we
view
this
chart
process,
it's
not
intended
to
be
wrapped
up
in
any
way
shape
or
form
in
august.
This
is
the
beginning
of
the
process
of
how
we
continue
working
forward
as
a
community
and
so
the
purpose
of
the
appropriation.
I
The
continuation
of
this
going
forward
is
that
that
we
are
still
working
through
a
lot
of
the
issues
that
have
made
santa
fe
what
they
are
today
and
how
to
make
sure
that
we're
a
better
community
and
a
more
united
community
moving
forward.
H
Thank
you,
the
next
item's
a
small
item.
It's
the
15
500
for
standard
maintenance
for
copy
machines.
I
thought
we
just
approved
a
contract
through
it
to
do
everything
that
had
to
do
with
copy
machines
in
the
whole
city.
E
You
are
correct,
you
did.
Our
copy
machines
are
not
on
that
agreement,
because
our
our
copy
machines
are
considered
commercial
machines,
so
the
agreement
through
it
is
for
the
copiers
that
are
in
individual
offices
or
departments
they're,
not
the
commercial
level
ones
that
are
done
through
the
mailroom.
E
We
actually
also
will
be
looking
at
modifying
or
I'm
working
with
regina
on
some
additional
funding,
because
our
commercial
machines
are
actually
outside
of
their
life,
and
so
this
is
a
small
amount
to
maintenance
them,
but
we
do
need
to
look
probably
to
grt
funding
for
new
copy
machines,
because
we
are
currently
outside
of
our
life
cycle
and
we
do
print
everything
from
the
senior
newsletters,
which
I
also
I'm
just
going
to
take
a
quick
moment
to
note
that
since
I
became
the
city
clerk,
we
started
printing
the
covers
of
the
senior
newsletters
in
color
and
a
very
small
but
impactful
we've
received.
E
So
many
compliments
from
our
seniors
about
that
small
upgrade.
So
it
is
something
that
we
actually
are
really
proud
of,
but
anyways
any
everything
from
the
senior
newsletters
to
our
mailers
for
fire,
fire
prevention,
everything
and
we're
actually
looking
at
bringing
our
business
cards
in-house
as
well,
and
we're
going
to
be
rolling
out
some
additional
services
that
the
mail
room,
printing
services,
kind
of
kind
of
a
internal
kinkos
is
the
way
we're
going
to
think
about
it
moving
forward.
E
So
we're
really
excited
about
that
from
brochures
to
inserts
and
again
we'll
be
seeking
some
grt
funding
for
that
and
I'm
working
with
regina
to
get
those
machines
replaced
the
commercial
level
machines,
so
council
and
all
I
hope
that
helped
clarify.
But
if
it
did
not,
please
let
me
know
I'm
happy
to
give
additional
information.
H
And
just
is
a
side
comment.
I
think
that
the
folks
that
work
in
mail
and
copying
do
a
terrific
job
and
I'm
sure
that
any
of
those
projects
they
could
handle
and
do
a
great
job
on.
So
I
I
I
hope
that
that
does
happen.
So
thank
you,
city
clerk,
thank
you
chair,
and
that
is
all
the
questions
that
I
had
for
clarification
on
this
budget.
E
Thank
you
so
much
chair
from
our
worth.
If
I
could,
I
just
would
like
to
thank
council
lindell
for
her
comments
about
our
mail
room.
I
greatly
appreciate
any
time
our
staff
is
commended,
but
they
do
work
very
hard
and
actually
we're
very
excited
to
expand
services
in
mail
room
and
duplicating
their
really
excited
about
business
cards
actually
as
well.
So
thank
you
again
for
that.
A
Yeah,
that's
kind
of
the
the
center
of
almost
any
organization
is
the
people
that
do
that
work
so
very
grateful.
D
Councilwoman
vrael,
thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
thank
you
to
the
community
engagement
team
and
all
the
things
that
you
juggle
even
the
stuff.
We
don't
see
in
meetings
and
stuff
behind
the
scenes.
I
appreciate
it.
D
I
have
a
lot
of
questions
and
they're,
not
personal
they're,
really
just
trying
to
understand
some
of
these
changes
that
are
new
to
us,
that
we
haven't
heard
about
and
just
to
get
clarity
and
then
just
cut
some
of
the
kind
of
thought
process
that
you
all
went
through
to
get
to
this
point
to
make
some
of
the
these
requests.
D
So
I
think
one
thing
you
did
clarify
for
me
was
the
spanish
language
translation.
I
couldn't
figure
out
why
we
keep
calling
it
that
because
we
already
had
the
funding
source,
but
you
called
it
language,
accessibility
and
it
covers
a
lot
of
different
areas.
I'm
really
happy
to
see
and
hear
about
that.
I've
been
talking
about
that
since
I
first
started
on
council
and
so
it's
great
to
see
it
moving
forward
and
then
the
campaign
finance
reporting
building
out
that
platform.
D
I
think
that's
really
important.
I'm
excited
we're
moving
in
that
direction
and
I'm
just
curious,
if
you
think
60
000
is
actually
enough
and
if
you've
reached
out
to
albuquerque
to
see
what
that
looked
like
for
them,
because
I
felt
like
it
was
a
pretty
massive
undertaking
and
that
was
pretty
pricey
to
get
the
you
know,
basics
down,
to
get
the
platform
and
then
moving
it
forward.
So
maybe
you
could
speak
a
little
bit
more
about
that.
E
Yes,
absolutely
great
question
counselor
chairman
mel
worth
via
rael.
Yes,
actually,
that
figure
was
based
off
of
our
meetings
with
the
city
of
albuquerque
and
ironically,
we
have
another
meeting
with
them
tomorrow
to
go
through
this,
but
that
that
amount
was
based
on
their
current
contract
amount
and
we're
hopeful
that
that
will
be
sufficient
based
on
their
offerings.
E
We
also
don't
have
usually
the
number
of
candidates,
so
we
made
some
modifications
as
well
to
that,
but
we
plan
on
working
with
a
contractor
as
soon
as
the
fiscal
year
starts,
so
that
we
all
are
well
versed
in
this
and
have
a
substantial
amount
of
time
to
basically
practice
test
drive
do
all
of
the
things
before
we
move
into
the
next
election
cycle.
So
yes,
it's
something
I'm
very
excited
about.
I
believe
I
mentioned
this
last
year.
E
It
was
something
we
tried
to
implement,
but
just
ran
up
against
some
time
constraints
with
last
year's
election.
So
this
this
is
the
highest
project
on
our
list
of
goals
to
accomplish.
In
the
city
clerk's
office
online
reporting
sits
in
the
number
one
spot
for
us,
so.
E
Yes,
so
the
10
000
does
cover
an
attorney
for
the
city
clerk's
office,
and
that
is
again
when
we're
dealing
with
ecrb
review
or
review
of
legislation
and
then
anything
it's
mostly
and
then
again,
as
you
mentioned,
it's
also
for
when
we
do
have
ethics
complaints
and
they
are
there
included
of
our
current
governing
body.
Members
excuse
me
are
included
in
those
complaints.
E
We
do
have
outside
counsel
that
reviews
on
those
reviews,
those
complaints
and
then
works
with
as
well-
and
I
don't
know-
oh
and
our
attorney
just
popped
on
and
raised
her
hand,
so
attorney
mcsherry
might
want
to
add
to
that.
J
Pharaoh
merworth,
if
I
can
just
add
in
a
little
bit
sure
sure
so
we
found
a
need
for
this
this
year,
because
we
wanted
to
avoid
any
sort
of
allegations
of
a
conflict
for
me
advising
the
board
or
one
of
my
direct
reports
when
there
was
a
complaint
against
someone
who
I
am
currently
advising
in
your
capacity
as
a
either
member
of
the
governing
body
or
the
mayor.
J
So
we
ended
up
hiring
a
retired
former
county
attorney
to
provide
some
legal
advice
on
those
types
of
matters.
So
it
was
pretty
narrow
in
scope,
anything
that
involved
a
race
that
did
not
have
a
studying,
counselor
or
mayor
involved
in
it.
My
office
still
provided
advice
on
that
type
of
a
matter,
but
we
thought
it
was
probably
a
good
practice
to
continue
in
the
future.
D
Okay,
thank
you
for
that
clarification.
So
if
you
could
tell
us
more
about
this
web
content
manager,
what
the
funding
is
for
this
position,
I
actually
thought
we
had
somebody
already
doing
this
role
or
had
this
role.
It's
that
person
that
oversees
our
website
and
is
it
more
technical
in
nature?
And
then,
additionally,
if
we
have,
if
this
is
asking
for
a
web
content
manager,
then
why
are
we
needing
the
25
000
in
contracts
to
support
the
website?
If
we
have
somebody
in-house
doing
it,.
E
E
However,
that
will
not
continue
once
the
new
website
is
launched
because
we
are
re
building
an
entire
new
website
and
again
job
duties
in
the
city
of
santa
fe
tend
to
be
doing
multiple
things,
and
so
this
position's
focus
is
going
to
be
on
updating
the
website
and
actually
ensuring,
as
part
of
their
regular
job
duties,
that
the
content
on
the
website
is
accurate,
working
with
each
department
on
a
regular
basis
to
ensure
that
content
information
is
placed
and
removed
in
timely
manner
in
a
timely
manner.
E
One
of
the
biggest
issues
that
we've
run
into
while
we
were
redoing
the
city
website
is
there's
hundreds
of
users
that
go
in
and
update
their
website
or
add,
you
know,
add
sentences.
So
we
find
errors
not
only
in
the
language
in
the
style
grammatical,
but
also
our
website
doesn't
look
consistent.
Everybody
does
something
different,
there's
not
a
consistent
format
across
the
board
and
it's
often
left
to
departments.
E
So
as
a
great
example,
I
update
most
of
the
city
website,
including
sections
on
news
and
announcements
updates
to
any
section
within
the
clerk's
office,
and
so
this
position
actually
would
take
on
that
responsibility
for
the
entire
city,
and
that's
why
we'd
have
a
designated
person.
The
additional
funding
for
the
25
thousand
dollars
is
actually
for
hosting
and
maintenance.
E
So
if
there's
some
technical
issue
that
comes
through
that
we
are
unable
to
address,
although
there
is
going
to
be
a
handful
of
members
from
our
team,
there's
going
to
be
we're
calling
on
five
power
users
that
would
be
able
to
back
up
this
web
content
developer
in
case
they
were
out
or
if
we
needed
something
on
a
priority
basis.
But
if
there's
something
outside
of
what
we're
able
to
do
with
our
training
and
capacity
that
would
be
covered
in
our
maintenance
contract.
E
If
there's
any
upgrades
that
needed
to
be
done
either
because
of
technology
or
programming
that
would
be
covered
and
then,
of
course,
the
hosting
and
maintenance,
that's
a
monthly
cost.
We
pay
that
now
on
our
current
website.
So
that's
just
something
that
we're,
including
in
our
budget
as
well,
moving
forward.
D
Thank
you
for
the
details
on
that.
Let's
see
so
this
community
engagement
specialist,
we
we
had
this
budgeted
a
while
ago
and
I
think
that
got
moved
over
to
the
city
manager.
E
Sure,
chair
romero,
worth
councilman
via
real.
I
will
start
that
this
is
a
new
request
for
the
community
engagement,
specialist
and
really
the
desire
of
this
position
and
the
need
for
it
was
born
out
of
the
last
year
or
even
previous
years,
specific
to
community
engagement,
and
so
I
think,
as
I
mentioned,
probably
too
fast.
E
While
we
did
hire
a
consultant
to
help
navigate
that
it
was,
the
scope
was
far
outside
of
and
different
from
what
we
did
for,
say.
Streetlight
projects
or
community
engagement
for
park
improvements.
It's
different
from
the
community
engagement
for
facility
requests,
and
so
that
is
one
of
the
things
that
we're
actually
working
to
standardize
is
to
have
a
template
and
a
guide
that
we
would
be
able
to
utilize
for
a
variety
of
projects
across
the
city
and
especially
moving
forward.
We
don't
currently
have
that
capacity.
E
So
we
do
rely
on
outside
contractors
to
bring
that
specialty,
and
this
position
actually
would
be
able
to
have
a
guide
that
was
developed
with
a
consultant
to
navigate
some
of
our
community
engagement-
and
I
I've
probably
said
this
before,
but
we
use
it
a
little
bit
as
a
catchphrase
community,
engagement
and
transparency,
sometimes
no
offense,
john,
our
words
that
we
use
and
that's
we
want
to
make
sure
that
the
intent
and
integrity
of
our
community
engagement
is
really
vested
in
defining
our
engagement
process
and
then
maintaining
achievable
goals
and
also
setting
really
expectations
for
our
engagement,
and
I
can
go
on
with
additional
examples.
E
But
you
know,
I
think
those
are
some
of
the
core
ones
that
we
talk
about.
If
we
want
to
have
meaningful
engagement
for
our
budget
or
for
community
needs
in
certain
areas.
That's
really
what
the
focus
of
this
position
is,
and
really
it's
basically
implementing
the
guide
that
we're
currently
working
on
for
this
community
engagement
document.
With
that,
I'm
happy
to.
D
Go
into
addition,
I
I
hear
you
christine,
I
see
where
we
want
to
go,
and
I
think
we've
learned
that
the
city
is
not
we're
in
a
power
position
where
I
think
we
are
served
better
when
we
follow
the
lead
of
community
partners
and
that's
why
the
midtown
property
or
the
midtown
engagement
worked
well
that
second
iteration,
because
we
actually
work
with
community
partners
that
have
connections
to
community
members
and
have
already
built
trust,
and
so
I
guess
I'm
just
not
in
favor
of
this
position,
I
feel
like
it's
duplicating
what
we
already
have
and
then
it
I
guess
the
piece
I
think
we're
missing
across
the
board
always
and
we've
never
even
considered
it.
D
Although
I've
talked
about
the
need,
is
having
a
person
in
this
role,
whether
it's
a
specialist
or
we
actually
have
a
department,
but
around
diversity
and
equity,
and
that's
a
term
we
can
use.
You
know.
However,
I
just
want
to
model
it
over
like
how
city
of
albuquerque
is
doing
and
we're
not
even
close
to
being
there.
So
if,
if
you
were
to
say
this
was
a
position
that
was
a
diversity
and
equity
specialist,
then
I
would
be
more
in
favor
of
that.
D
So
just
making
a
point
that
I
don't
think
I
think
we're
adding
something
that
we're
best
suited
to
work
with
community
members
on
and
then
the
other
question
I
have
is
around
the
volunteer
coordinator.
D
E
Yes,
councilor
merrell
worth
and
councilwoman
villarreal.
If
I
may,
I
would
love
to
just
add
a
quick
content
to
the
previous
position
before
we
move
on,
and
one
is
we
are
working
with
a
community
partner
and
part
of
the
guide
is
actually
also
how
we
engage
our
community
partners
for
for
our
community
engagement.
So
I
do
just
want
to
know.
We
don't
anticipate
that
this
is
the
end-all
be-all,
but
really
the
first
step
in
developing
a
more
complex
engagement
process
and
really
building
out
some
of
our
relationships.
E
I
think
in
the
best
ways
I'll
say
that-
and
I
do
want
to
note
that
we
do
have
a
lens
and
it
was
actually
in
the
scope
to
make
sure
that
we
include
both
diversity
and
equity
as
part
of
the
review
to
make
sure
and
again,
I
really
believe
that
our
language
accessibility
study
and
our
community
engagement
study.
E
They
have
a
lot
of
cross
ties
and
I
hear
you
we're
not
we're
not
quite
at
the
city
of
albuquerque
level,
but
I
really
am
committed
to
listening
to
what
I've
heard
over
the
last
several
years,
both
from
our
community
community
partners,
departments
and,
of
course,
our
governing
body
members,
to
make
sure
that
we
are
more
inclusive
and
that
we
start
taking
these
proper
steps
to
get
us
where
we
want
to
be.
So.
What
do
you
mean.
E
I
D
E
Sorry,
let
me
pull
my
director
mccoy
might
get
to
it
faster,
but
I
believe
it's
25
an
hour
was
the
budgeted
amount
in
the
position
we
requested
25
an
hour.
Thank
you
as
well.
I
Kendra
merrill
worth
councillor
nice
to
see
you,
I
just
want
to
flag
real
quick.
You
know
we're
going
to
be
better
than
the
city
of
albuquerque,
okay,
and
I
think
you
know
councillor
as
a
result
of
the
conversation
and
the
input
that
you
gave
us.
When
we
looked
at
the
job
application
for
the
deputy
city
manager.
I
I
went
ahead
and
actually
modified
the
job
description
or
some
of
the
qualifications
to
include
the
that
the
person
have
experience
in
dealing
with
diverse
communities
and
sort
of
trying
to
begin
that
process.
We
are
going
to
have
the
new
deputy
city
manager
when
that
person
begins.
One
of
the
assignments
will
be
about
drafting
a
deputy
diversity,
equity
and
inclusion
program,
or
a
plan
for
the
city,
broadly
working
with
hr
and
their
team
on
that
primarily,
and
then
I
think
just
I
won't
be
speaking
out
of
turn
when
I
say
hr.
I
Director
bernie,
salazar
and
myself
have
had
conversations
about,
as
we
begin
to
the
process
of
updating
the
job
descriptions
that
we
share
for
positions
in
the
city
of
santa
fe,
making
sure
that
these
sort
of
concerns
are
included
and
mandated
as
part
of
the
people
that
we're
bringing
on
to
be
a
part
of
the
city.
So
I
just
wanted.
While
we
were
talking
about
it,
wanted
to
flag
the
responsiveness
of
us
trying
to
make
sure
that
we're
heading
in
the
direction
that
I
think
we
agree.
D
Thank
you
for
that.
Additional
information
and
the
city
of
albuquerque
is
way
ahead
of
us.
They
actually
have
an
office
of
equity
and
inclusion
and
they
actually
have
staff.
So
that's
something
to
work
towards
for
sure
I'll
move
on
about
the
coordinator,
counseling
nursing.
A
Councilwoman,
we
have
director
mccoy's
hand
up,
I
believe,
to
weigh
in
on
this
and
mr
blair,
if
you'll
take
your
hand
down.
Thank.
F
F
Madam
chair,
madam
chair
counselor,
I
had
anticipated
that
question
as
well.
A
total
of
almost
85
000
is
included
in
this
budget
to
create
the
website
content,
developer
position.
Okay,
thank
you.
D
Moving
on
to
the
reclassification
of
that
council
liaison
position,
so
we
had
two
council
leads
on
positions,
one's
moving
forward
as
more
policy,
and
this
one
was
reclassified
to
committee
liaison.
So
the
reason.
A
Just
to
clarify
before
we
go
down
there,
I
I
believe
that
mr
helsek
said
that's
an
error
in
the
book.
We
are
not
reclassifying
that
position.
It's
staying
as
a
council
liaison.
D
Okay,
but
there
is
you
all,
have
been
talking
about
a
community
liaison,
so
is
that
not
happening.
E
Correct
at
this
time,
the
committee
liaison
position
is
not
a
position
that
was
identified
for
one
to
bring
forward
in
the
budget.
But,
as
chair
romeroworth
mentioned,
the
intent
is
to
fill
the
council
liaison
position
and
and
work
to
add
additional
capacity
for
committees
and
council
committees
moving
forward
in
a
different
way.
D
Gotcha
thank
you,
but
we
did
actually
have
two
council
liaison
positions
at
one
time.
So
I'm
curious
where
the
other
one
went.
E
So
the
other
one
was
the
policy
analyst
that
was
also
based
on
feedback
from
the
council
to
have
a
dedicated
position
to
policy.
So
that
position,
I
believe,
all
governing
body
member
excuse
me
not
all
governing
body
members.
All
city
council
members
were
asked
to
provide
feedback
on
that
position.
That
was
given
to
attorney
mcsherry
and
incorporated.
J
Madam
chair
councilwoman
villarreal,
I
I
believe
that
hr
is
wrapping
up
its
evaluation
of
what
pay
band
that
position
would
fall
into
and
as
soon
as
we
have
that
information,
I
will
post
it.
That's
correct.
It's
the
policy
analyst
position.
Okay,.
D
E
E
They
have
kind
of
it's
like
an
ipad,
almost
mountain
on
a
stand
and
there's
four
faces.
They
range
from
a
green
smiley,
face
to
a
red,
not
so
happy
face,
and
you
can
click
on
them
for
your
feedback,
how
your
interaction
experience
was
at
that
location
and
then
there's
an
option
for
additional
feedback.
So
if
you,
depending
on
what
you
select,
there's
follow-up
questions,
it's
a
quick
interaction
survey,
but
we
actually
use
them
to
work
with
our
departments
for
any
issues
or
errors
that
we
see
coming
up.
E
If
we,
and
also
when
we
receive
great
feedback,
it's
actually
amazing
the
amount
of
compliments
we
receive
through
those
kiosks
and
share
with
department
directors.
We
generate
weekly
reports
actually
for
each
location
and
they're,
sent
directly
to
myself
our
constituent
services
team
and
then
depending
on
the
location
of
the
kiosk
they're
sent
to
that
manager,
and
we
actually
use
them
to
either
give
kudos
to
staff
to
get
an
actual,
basically,
an
actual
read
on
what
our
constituents
think
of
our
services
of
our
facilities
and
it's
something
that
we're
looking
at
continuing
this
year.
E
It's
really
neat
and
I'm
always
happy
to
share
any
of
those
reports
with
the
council
if
you're,
if
you
would
like
to
see
them,
as
you
all
know,
I'm
kind
of
I
like
data,
and
I
like
numbers-
and
I
didn't
like
that
people
would
say.
Oh
I
didn't
you
know,
I
didn't.
D
Like
I
think,
it's
a
it's
a
good
way
to
capture
more
feedback,
and
so
how
many,
how
many
ipads
or
kiosks
are
you
talking
about.
E
This
is
just
to
maintain
that
contract
or
that
service.
Excuse
me
it's
not
a
contract,
but
that's
basically
what
it
costs
for
us
to
operate
them
and
for
the
upkeep
of
the
ipads.
But
yes,
we
have
we
implemented
this
program
about
a
year
ago,
I
would
say-
and
it's
been
extremely
valuable
to
our
staff
and
our
facilities,
so.
D
E
Chairman
melworth
councilman,
via
royale.
That
is
a
great
question.
E
We
do
a
great
job
in
some
areas,
but
we
still
have
capacity
gaps
and
that's,
I
think,
one
of
the
things,
at
least
for
me
and
my
budget,
and
my
request
this
year
was
really
looking
at
the
areas
that
a
lot
of
us
five
of
us
can
do
a
position
but
we're
not
adding
actual
capacity
to
our
team,
and
I
think
that's
where
some
of
our
services
struggle,
especially
in
my
department,
it's
an
expectation
that
I
try
to
exceed,
and
so
with
the
volunteer
coordinator
position,
we
do
receive
requests,
but
we
also
are
really
working
with
departments.
E
You
may
see:
we've
launched
a
lot
of
your
santa
fe,
it's
a
campaign
that
we're
working
on
with
the
environmental
services
department,
with
the
public,
with
our
parks
department
and,
of
course,
with
our
department
to
really
encourage
our
residents
as
well
as
our
city
staff.
To
not
only
remember
that
this
is
your
santa
fe,
but
to
feel
like
they
have
a
way
of
provi
of
connecting
with
us.
E
We
got,
we
do
get
requests
for
arroyo,
cleanups
park
cleanups,
but
just
in
general,
volunteer
opportunities
are
ways
that
our
community
wants
to
come
together
or
come
together
with
our
government.
We
see
it
with
our
seniors
programs.
People
want
to
donate
a
lot
of
times.
Also
like
hey,
I
have
these
donations.
Can
I
take
them
to
the
fire
department?
We
see
that,
for
example,
during
the
colder
months
of
the
year,
where
people
want
to
donate
sleeping
bags
toothbrushes
there's
a
lot
of
desires
like
how
can
we
help?
What
can
we
do?
E
Can
we
go
out
to
do
on
the
you
know
on
the
ground
outreach
with
some
of
these
individuals,
and
that
is
a
capacity
gap
where
honestly,
I'm
either
trying
to
call
around
to
see
what
we
can
do.
I
think
izzy
sometimes
does
that
savannah.
Does
that,
like
many
members
on
my
team,
do
that
and
if
we
really
want
to
encourage
residents
at
a
base
level
to
be
engaged
with
their
own
community,
it's
something
that
we
felt
would
be
really
beneficial
to
us
as
a
whole,
and
just
I
don't
know
why.
E
But
as
a
quick
kind
of
note,
we're
doing
some
media
and
recordings
with
parks
to
kind
of
walk
through
what
our
media
and
clean
up
looks
like
and
that's
it's
the
same
message.
Please
people,
if
you
see
litter,
pick
it
up
you'd,
be
surprised
how
many
pictures
we
get
from
the
crm
and
people
say.
E
Can
you
come
pick
up
this
water
bottle
that
I
saw
on
the
sidewalk,
and
so
this
position
will
also
be
working
closely
with
our
constituent
services
and
our
communications
team
to
make
sure
that
we
have
consistent
messaging
around
things
that
people
can
also
do,
whether
it's
planting
trees,
whether
it's
community
gardens
whether
it
is
again
our
more
default,
I
think,
tends
to
be
kind
of
litter
trash
park
cleanup,
but
also
reading
to
seniors.
We
get
requests
for
people
on
how
they
volunteer
with
the
youth.
E
Those
types
is
that
a
full-time
position,
my
desire,
is
that
it
will
be
yes,
that
we
will
be
able
to
utilize
this
position
year-round
across
the
board
for
a
variety
of
things,
and
just
one
more
example
where
this
came
up
literally
last
week
was,
as
we
go
into
bike
month
and
we're
promoting
riding
a
bike.
E
It's
also
getting
people
who
want
to
volunteer
to
teach
kids
how
to
ride
their
bike,
how
to
work
on
their
bikes,
those
types
of
things
and
it's
one
of
those
areas
where
we
all
kind
of
look
at
each
other
and
say
who
can
help
coordinate
volunteers
to
have
some
of
these
camps,
and
so
that
was
just
a
recent
example
from
thursday,
where
I
met
with
mpo
gcc,
our
comms
team,
and
we
were
trying
to
figure
out
what
programming
or
what
organizations
we
could
work
on
during
bike
to
work
month
or
in
may.
E
F
I
don't
know
I'm
chair
counselor
via
real.
The
total
annual
salary
plus
benefits
is
80
267
for
the
volunteer
coordinator
position.
D
I
guess
I
just
don't
see
it
as
two
full
full-time
positions.
Did
you
think
about
maybe
just
adding
one
and
rolling
in
both
possibilities
into
one
position.
E
Chair
room,
outworth,
council,
woman
villarreal,
I
actually
did
not
think
in
my
mind.
One
was
really
to
execute
and
lead
our
community
engagement
and
one
was
really
focused
on
our
volunteer
kind
of
need
in
different
ways.
So
I
I
did
not.
I
will
absolutely
take
your
feedback
for
that,
but.
D
Okay,
well,
it's
just
something
that
I
think
we
should
consider,
because
it
sounds
very
similar
to
the
things
because
they're
all
related
to
community
engagement
and
interactions,
but
that's
just
how
I
see
it
I'll
move
on
to
the
shopping
carts.
I
I
think
this
is
the
short-term
solution,
but
have
you
all
thought
about
how
we
can
work
with
stores
to
prevent
this
from
actually
happening?
I
just
feel
like
there's
this
accountability
factor
and
it's
it's
like
hurting
shopping
carts
or
hurting
cats.
A
Councilwoman
I
do,
I
do
have
some
legislation.
That's
going
to
come
forward
to
hold
the
stores
accountable,
that'll,
be
something
coming
forward.
I
I
do
also
just
want
to
say
it
is
205.
We
have
five
more
budgets
to
get
through,
so
just
want
to
make
you
aware.
We've
spent
over
an
hour
on
this
budget
so
far,
so
just
actually.
D
A
No,
I
I
think
we
need
to
totally
totally
agree
that
this
one
is
worth
spending
time
on
and
I
think
we're
going
to
be
spending
some
more
time
on
it,
but
just
want
to
make
you
aware
of
where
we
are
in
the
afternoon.
Thank
you.
D
The
last
thing
that
I
will
say
and
thank
you
for
all
the
responses
christine.
I
think
I
just
want
to
express
that
across
the
board,
because
we
didn't
really
get
to
talk
about
this
yesterday,
about
just
how
we're
seeing
the
evolution
of
pay
increases
and
what
that
looks
like
and-
and
we'll
probably
be
hearing
about
this,
more
obviously
in
different
department
departments.
But
I
think
the
elephant
in
the
room
for
me
is
just
the
inequity
I'm
seeing
with
the
pay
increases.
D
I
think
that
we
are
continuously
trying
to
trying
to
retain
our
staff
and
keeping
good
people
on
our
team
and-
and
I
see
a
lot
of
our
departments
and
individuals
and
what
people
do
as
essential
workers
and
so
to
me,
making
it
equitable
across
the
board
to
have
an
eight
percent
increase
is
where
we
should
be
looking
at
all
these
ups
and
downs
from
different
positions,
whether
it's
directors
or
a
different
department,
doesn't
make
sense
to
me
right
now,
and
I
think
someone's
going
to
have
to
convince
me
otherwise.
D
But
I
see
our
increases
and
salary
increases
that
they
should
be
equitable
across
the
board
that
we
should
be
all
getting
eight,
not
we
because
we
don't
get
increases,
obviously,
but
as
counselors,
but
I'm
saying
like
in
our
staff
and
how
we
look
at
it
and
the
changes
that
we've
made
and
the
needs
that
we
have
and
these
ability
to
retain
and
having
these
incentives.
D
I
think
they're
all
extremely
important,
and
I
want
us
to
continue
doing
that,
but
when
I
think
about
equity
and
how
we
all
need
to
support
each
other
and
and
realize
that
we
all
have
that
we
have
essential
staff
in
so
many
different
areas.
I
would
like
to
continue
thinking
for
everybody
to
just
get
across
the
board.
Eight
percent
and
yeah
I'll
leave
it
at
that.
D
I'm
I'm
just
not
in
favor
of
how
we're
certain
individuals
are
getting
staff
increases
and
certain
departments
are
getting
double
what
everybody
else
is
getting,
and
so
I'm
just
going
to
put
that
out
there.
Now
this
I'm
not
in
favor
of
this
right
now.
D
I
think
that,
since
we
have
these
points
in
time
like
a
midterm
check-in,
we
can
look
at
those
possibilities
for
increases
at
the
midterm
point
or
the
midway
point,
and
I
say
that,
because
I'm
still
unsure
about
this
that
economy,
you
know
we're
doing
good
now,
but
I'm
still
not
convinced
it's
going
to
keep
going
this
this
in
this
manner,
especially
with
what
we're
seeing
yeah.
D
A
I
I
would
you
like
some
of
the
philosophy
behind
that
last
statement
and
I
would
take
the
city
clerk
off
the
hot
seat
on
that
and
refer
to
the
city
manager
or
the
mayor,
since
they
are
both
here.
D
A
Well,
we
have.
We
have
two
people
here
today
who
I
think
can
maybe
give
you
broader
context
and
philosophy
about
that
if,
if
you're
interested
or
whether
you
just
wanted
to
make
that
comment,
I
don't
know
well.
D
A
A
The
mayor
would
like
to
give
us
some
of
the
philosophy
behind.
I
Thank
you,
council.
Remember
what
counselor
we
had
to
ask
the
question:
I'm
gonna
break
this
up
and
speak
to
part
of
it
and
I
think
I'll.
Let
the
mayor
speak
to
part
of
it
as
well.
You
sort
of
made
reference
to.
I
think
I
think
you
were
making
reference
councillor
patel
to
the
recommended
budget
proposal
that
gives
an
80
raise
to
essentially
all
city
employees,
but
for
our
police
department,
where
we've
recommended
a
16
increase.
There
are
a
variety
of
reasons
for
that,
one
of
which
is.
I
We
know
that
state
government
is
providing
a
16
increase
or
it's
a
requisite
sort
of
level
increase
to
their
state
police.
We
are
in
a
position
right
now,
where
I
think
most
everyone
on
this
call
on
the
zoom
would
agree
that
we'd
be
hiring
more
police
officers,
not
losing
police
officers.
I
As
recently
as
this
week,
there
have
been
stories
in
the
paper
about
concerns
about
public
safety
in
the
rail
yard
and
guadalupe
street
and
other
places
in
the
community,
and
so
we
believe
it
fundamentally
important
that
we
do
all
we
can
to
ensure
that
the
rates
that
we're
offering
police
officers
are,
at
or
above
a
competitive
level
that
we're
able
to
attract
people
to
come
work
with
the
santa
fe
police
department,
both
men
and
women,
and
that
that's
fundamentally,
what
that
was
about,
and
I
will
sort
of
just
in
full
candor
sort
of
broadly
share.
I
My
sort
of
view
of
government
generally
is
that
I
think,
there's
often
sort
of
a
sense
that
everyone
needs
to
be
treated
equally,
and
I
think
intuitively.
That
sounds
right.
You
know
we
believe
in
equity
inequality,
but
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
treat
everybody
fairly
and
in
this
particular
case.
I
Well,
I
appreciate
the
the
comments
made
by
afscme
and
their
leadership
yesterday,
the
fire
union
president
yesterday.
We
fundamentally
believe
that
there
is
a
greater
concern
right
now
for
this
community
to
ensure
that
we
are
doing
all
we
can
to
bring
more
police
officers
into
our
team,
but
that
is
why
we
made
the
decision
to
fundamentally
provide
them
a
larger
raise
than
we
did
the
rest
of
city
employees,
so
that
I
can
speak
to
that.
I
K
I
think
I
think
the
philosophy
conversation
is
really
important
to
start
with,
and
I
think
it's
good
to
get
that
conversation
going,
even
if
it
doesn't
lead
to
a
conclusion
in
this
in
this
meeting,
I
think
we
ought
to
continue
it
not
just
in
budget
season,
but
across
the
board.
K
You
know,
councilman
vrl
is
one
of
the
people
who
knows
better
than
anybody
that
cartoon
that
shows
three
people
trying
to
look
over
a
fence
and
the
people
who
are
the
shortest
need.
The
tallest
boxes
and
equity
isn't
giving
short
people
the
same
size
box
as
a
tall
person
and
we've
all
seen
that
in
in
trainings,
around
equity
fairness
inclusivity,
as
well
as
what
we
experienced
yesterday,
an
opening
meeting
on
implicit
bias.
That
is
long
overdue
and
I
know
councilman
viral
has
been
asking
for
that.
K
K
I
do
believe
that
we
want
to
be
respectful
of
everybody,
and
respect
starts
with
understanding
where
they
are
and
where
their
needs
are,
what
their
capabilities
and
roles
are
at
the
same
time
as
as
the
city
manager
said,
giving
everybody
the
same
treatment
as,
if
that
were
equitable
and
fair,
doesn't
really
lead
to
the
city
government
that
we
need
and
I'll
treat
it
as
an
inverse
example,
rather
than
speaking
to
adding
salary.
K
K
Everybody
doesn't
matter
what
your
function
is:
five
percent
most
people,
I
know
in
the
world
of
public
policy
and
budgeting,
would
say
that's
a
ham-fisted
approach
that
not
all
of
the
functions
and
departments
should
be
treated
equally,
because
you
end
up
lopping
off
five
percent
from
some
very
small
organizations
that
are
essential.
Five
percent
puts
them
out
of
business.
K
Other
organizations
that
are
deemed
more
mission,
critical
losing
five
percent,
really
leads
to
significant
service
cuts
in
areas
where
there
are
high
priority
needs.
K
So
what
we
like
to
think
we
do
when
we're
having
to
make
cuts,
is
work
with
a
strategy
and
an
approach
that
emphasizes
the
results,
we're
trying
to
achieve
and
the
needs
and
priorities
of
the
community
done
when
you're
doing
cuts,
not
with
a
meat
cleaver
but
with
a
scalpel,
and
I
believe
the
same
philosophy
applies
when
you're
growing
you
don't
by
any
stretch
of
the
imagination,
simply
say
every
everybody
gets
the
exact
same
budget
increase
or
the
exact
same
financial
treatment,
because
we
do
have
priorities
that
change
over
time
and
reflect
our
community
needs.
K
Our
environmental
needs
felt
and
lived
experiences
that
rise
to
the
surface
as
more
urgent
right
now,
and
so
I
don't.
I
think
that
the
the
the
notion
of
how
we
use
our
resources
strategically
and
also
with
respect
and
paying
proper
attention
to
everybody's
needs,
but
some
being
more
strategic
or
having
a
higher
priority.
K
Those
are
not
mutually
exclusive.
We
can
do
both
and,
I
think
that's
the
philosophy.
That's
in
the
budget,
I
think
the
director
mccoy
has
also
done
an
outstanding
job
of
matching
the
source
of
the
money
to
the
purpose
for
which
the
money
will
be
put,
because
not
all
money
is
the
same.
Some
money
is
more
likely
to
continue.
Others
is
other
money
will
be
a
one-time
allocation
or
is
a
different
source
of
money.
K
K
A
Yeah-
and
I
I
I
you
know
we
are-
we
do
need
to
have
these
conversations
and
make
time
for
them,
and
so
I
I
just
wanted
to
kick
that
off
a
little
bit
with
that
entree.
So
councilwoman
did
you
have
anything
further.
A
Okay,
I'm
gonna
go
then
to
counselor
rivera,
who
has
been
very
patiently
waiting
with
his
hand.
B
Up
you,
madam
chair,
just
want
to
thank
council
one
of
y'all
for
our
thoroughness
and
thank
councillor
lindell
for
asking
about
the
copy
machines.
I
had
the
same
questions.
I
did
want
a
little
bit
of
clarification
on
the
money
for
chart
committee,
which
I
heard
was
to
continue
the
work
for
this
fiscal
year.
F
Adam
chair,
counselor
rivera
the
125
000
that
is
included
in
this
presentation
would
be
an
appropriation
for
fiscal
year
23.
I
believe
his
director
mahelsek
did
outline
there's
25
000
of
that
125
000.
That
is
intended
to
continue
the
current
chart
process
through.
I
believe
she
mentioned
august
when
the
contract
was
extended
through.
F
Madam
chair
counselor
rivera
that's
a
great
question
that
goes
to
speak
to
the
complicated
nature
of
our
chart
of
accounts
and
the
multiple
different
funding
sources
that
we
have.
The
arts
and
culture
chart.
The
chart
process
has
lived
in
the
arts
and
culture
with
the
arts
and
culture
department
and
staff
that
particular
department
is
solely
funded
with
lodgers
tax.
So
we
made
a
decision
last
year
at
this
time
that
the
resources
that
were
to
be
allocated
to
this
chart
process
were
to
be
funded
out
of
the
general
fund.
F
Therefore,
we
had
to
find
a
general
funded
department
to
be
able
to
support
this
allocation
just
to
keep
it
a
little
bit
cleaner.
That
being
said,
the
current
allocation
is
a
little
over
300
000
is
currently
in
the
community
engagement
budget
and
the
125
000
that
we
are
proposing
will
continue
to
out
of
gen.
The
general
fund
will
continue
to
live
in
the
community
engagement
department.
Although
the
arts
and
culture
staff
will
continue
the
duties
and
responsibilities
with
the
chart
process.
B
Thank
you
and
I
appreciate
the
answer
on
the
police
department,
but
really
we're
looking
at
community
services,
so
just
curious
as
to
why
an
eight
percent
for
the
staff
in
the
city
clerk's
office
and
in
community
services
community
engagement.
Why
eight
percent
there
but
more
for
the
city
clerk
and
I
don't
know
I
don't
want
to
put
the
city
clerk
on
the
spot.
But
maybe
mr
blair.
K
To
jump
in
I'm
happy
to
start,
let
me
let
me
start
you
and
I
can
we
have
similar,
but
slightly
different
roles,
so
counselor.
I
appreciate
your
you're
raising
this.
I
think
it's
important
to
carry
on
the
philosophical
conversation
we
just
had
and
bring
it
to
practical
application.
K
There
are
three
individuals
who,
by
charter
report
to
the
mayor
and
who
the
mayor
is
responsible
for
supervising
and
negotiating
salary
and
performance
with
one
is
the
city
manager.
Another
is
the
city
clerk
and
another.
Is
the
city
attorney
those
three
people
by
charter
report
to
the
mayor?
The
mayor,
by
by
the
way
our
city
government
law's
work,
is
their
supervisor
and
is
responsible
for
negotiating
salary.
K
In
the
case
of
the
city
clerk
slash
community
engagement
position,
we
have
an
individual.
Let
me
just
back
up
again,
most
most
compensation
professionals
try
to
deal
with
the
issue
of
how
what
pay
is
an
equitable
pay
level
for
an
individual
by
establishing
criteria
and
making
sure
that
there
is
a
systematic
approach
to
a
negotiation
over
salary.
K
In
this
case,
I
had
three
criteria:
one
was
overall
performance
of
duties,
execution
of
responsibilities,
work,
load,
assumed
and
deliverables
scale
of
the
effort
required
the
size
of
the
department
that
the
individual
oversees
the
complexity
of
the
work
and
so
on.
So
it's
a
performance
base.
Second,
is
looking
externally
at
what
other
people
with
similar,
if
not
exactly
identical,
pay
performance
requirements
are
paid
in
effect,
a
class
and
comp
evaluation
among
new
mexico
governmental
entities.
K
Nothing
is
quite
exactly
the
hybrid
that
we
created
when
we
combined
the
city
clerk
with
the
community
engagement
office,
but
you
can
get
some
idea
by
looking
at
different
roles
of
different
people
in
different
jurisdictions
and
then
the
third
is
internal
comparisons
to
people
who
are
heading
up
significant
parts
of
our
city
government
and
whether
the
the
role
of
this
director
is
being
paid
commensurate
with
the
duties
and
responsibilities
that
have
been
assigned
based
on
all
of
those
factors.
K
I
I
reached
the
conclusion
that,
with
the
with
this
start
of
a
new
fiscal
year,
a
pay
increase
was
warranted
and
that
a
an
amount
that
the
that
we
could
agree
on
would
be
put
into
the
budget
as
the
amount
to
increase
the
salary
of
the
individual.
Who
holds
that
job.
K
It
really
again.
If
you,
if
you
think
about
the
conversation
we
just
had
about
what
constitutes
fairness
or
equity
or
responsibility,
compensation
pays
plays
a
role
in
that,
as
as
do
other
factors
including
respect
dignity,
fair
treatment,
job
quality
of
job
internally
and
externally,
ways
that
people
are
treated,
and
I
believe
that
the
individual
we
have
in
this
position
has
done.
K
An
outstanding
job
brings
deep
and
significant
value
to
city
operations
that
cut
across
all
departments
and
reach
out
into
the
community,
including
serving
us
as
as
will
be
evident
tonight
at
our
governing
body
meeting,
and
that
the
position
is
warranted
to
be
compensated
differently
than
other
positions
that
don't
have
the
same
kind
of
responsibility
or
bear
the
same
kind
of
cross-cutting
provision
of
services.
K
K
I
don't
know,
mr
blair
did
you
want
to
comment.
I
may
have
either
added
too
much
or
left
some
things
out.
A
If
I
can
counselor,
I
do
want
to
throw
in,
and
I
think
our
city
attorney
is
with
us.
A
We
typically
and
I
think
legally
I
mean
we
don't
have
in
front
of
us
a
salary
schedule
of
all
city
employees.
We,
so
we
don't
approve
salaries.
This
one's
just
been
flagged
as
part
of
the
budget
because
of
the
high
profile
nature
of
this
individual,
but
we
don't
part
of
our
budget
work.
We.
We
approve
lump
sums
for
salaries
and
benefits.
A
We
do
not
decide
who
gets
what
salary
you
know
employee
by
employee,
correct.
J
Terrorism,
our
work,
that's
correct,
you
are
budgeting
by
category,
so
any
decision
you
make
on
this
budget
will
not
definitively
result
in
any
particular
outcome
for
any
particular
employee
salary.
So
we
are
not.
A
J
I
just
clarify
that
do
particular
work
isn't
related
to
a
particular
individual
right.
It's
the
right
that
it
is
the
category
and
the
function
of
the
department
that
and
the
amounts
the
total
amounts,
that
you're
approving
by
salary
contracts
and
other
categories
right,
yeah.
A
So
we
don't,
we
have
really
no
control
over
who
gets
raises
and
who
doesn't
by
individual
share
them
with
that.
B
K
I
think,
because
it
does
divert
from
the
the
so-called
norm
or
the
proposed
level
of
eight
percent.
We
were
wanting
to
be
as
transparent
and
sharing
of
information
as
possible,
so
that
there
would
be
no
perception
of
anything
that
people
would
feel
was
not
forthcoming.
K
It
is
slightly
different
than
other
allocations
like,
as
I
said,
I
think,
if
you
I'm
happy
to
sit
down
either
individually
or
in
a
small
group
and
talk
through
how
I
approach
financial
compensation
and
other
compensation
as
well,
because
it
is
not
only
money
that
dictates
the
appreciation
we
show
to
our
employees.
K
As
well
as
external
and
internal
comps,
comp
comparables
gave
me
a
good
reason
to
add
above
eight
percent
to
the
pay
compensation
package
in
this
one
case,
but
it
is
different
and
different
can
sometimes
be
perceived
as
either
unfair
or
uncalled
for
or
not
being
forthright
and
transparent
about.
So
I
welcome
more
conversation
offline
anytime,
about
this
specific
item
or
in
general,
how
we
go
about
attracting
retaining
developing
the
best
possible
people
for
city
government.
We
are
only
as
good
as
our
people
and
in
many
of
our
people
like
the
individual.
B
K
I'm
not
the
hr
director
counselor,
but
to
my
knowledge,
we
have
not
completed
a
class
and
comp
study
at
this
time.
It
is
a
work
underway.
We
did
one
several.
If
you
remember
we
did
one
several
years
ago.
It
was
the
first
one
that
we
we
had
done
three
or
four
previously
they'd,
never
been
money
had
never
been
allocated
to
make
good
on
the
findings
in
that
particular
class.
In
comp
study,
we
did
make
good
on
the
promises.
K
This
class
and
comp
study
won't
be
done
until
later,
this
new
next
fiscal
year,
but
so
you
so
you
did
not
say
that
there
was
a
class
and
cop
evaluation
that
was
done
on
other
clerks.
I
apologize.
I
thought
you
meant
a
a
one
done
by
the
hr
department.
I
have
some
comparables
from
other
jurisdictions.
It
was
not
done
as
a
you
know,
a
funded
study.
K
It
was
more
if
you
recall,
when,
when
we
hired
mr
blair,
we
had
a
a
table
that
represented
other
city
managers
around
new
mexico,
and
we
have.
I
have
a
similar
set
of
data,
but
there-
and
I
can
certainly
share
that
with
you
there.
It
is
a
little
bit
because
our
position
is
somewhat
unique.
There
is
nothing
that
exactly
lines
up
to
the
the
department
that
we
created
when
we
combined
the
city
clerk
with
the
community
engagement
piece.
So
I
but
I'm
happy
whenever
you
want.
K
B
A
Okay,
I
think,
if
we're
finished
with
the
questions,
I
don't
see
anybody
else's
hands
up.
I
am
gonna
set
this
budget
aside
for
now.
We
are
also
missing
one
of
our
committee
members
due
to
illness.
So
we'll
come
back
to
this
and
I
don't
think
I
need,
I
think
we're
just
going
to
set
it
aside
without
taking
a
formal
action
at
this
point.
A
J
J
Now
I've
been
happy
to
see
him
jumping
back
into
action
today,
so
I
would
like
to
welcome
both
of
them.
Irene
romero
is
our
administrative
manager
for
the
city,
attorney's
office
and
jesse
again
has
been
recently
reclassified
as
our
legislation
and
policy
innovation
manager.
J
So
most
of
the
changes
to
the
city.
Attorney's
budget
happened
in
the
mid-budget
review
in
december,
and
that
was
the
three
additional
positions
that
moved
into
our
budget.
The
ipra
manager
who
starts
on
monday
very
excited
about
that,
and
then
the
policy
analyst
who
we
will
soon
post
and
the
other
records
specialist
who
had
previously
been
focusing
on
police
records
and
and
still
will
be,
focusing
on
police
records,
but
from
a
group
of
records,
custodians
which
is
our
our
third
team.
So
my
office
does
have
now
18
positions.
J
Eight
of
those
are
attorneys,
which
includes
my
position.
Two
senior
assistant
city
attorneys,
five
assistant
city
attorneys
and
those
five
include
the
city
prosecutor,
who's
based
at
municipal
court,
and
then
we
have
essentially
three
teams
that
work
with
us.
One
is
our
administrative
support
team,
and
that
includes
ms
romero
and
the
three
paralegals
one
of
whom
is
stationed
at
municipal
court,
and
we
actually
have
that
paralegal
a
new
one
starting
on
monday
as
well.
J
The
other
two
are
based
out
of
city
hall
and
support
the
other
attorneys.
Then
we
have
the
three
personnel
who
are
for
the
office
of
records
custodians.
So
now
we
will
have
three
folks
acting
on
behalf
of
the
city,
to
respond
to
it
for
requests,
which
is
great,
so
it'll
average
out
to
2000
per
person,
but
it
will
probably
not
be
distributed
quite
that
evenly
because
some
are
more
complex
than
others.
J
And
then
the
third
office
is
the
legislative
and
policy
innovation,
and
so
that's
jesse
jeff
and
the
policy
analyst
once
we
hire
that
person.
So
we
are
very
excited
to
get
those
three
teams
fully
staffed
here
very
soon
and
let's
see
our
mission,
I've
got
that
on
a
different
screen.
It
looks
like.
H
Here
on
the
prime
gov,
yes
under
department
review
under
city
attorney,
I'm
getting
nothing,
I'm
not
seeing
any
attachments.
Like
I
see
for
other
departments,
should
there
be
some
there.
D
Madam
chair,
yes,
if
councillor
lindell,
looks
clicks
on
department,
review
and
there's
two
attachments
one's
just
the
overall
budget
book,
but
there
is
a
tab
for
a
general
government
and
then
the
general
government
they're
not
separated
like
we
usually
have
them
they're
all
put
under
general
government.
I
think
all
as
attorney
city
attorney
city
manager,
city,
council,
mayor
on
that
yep.
I
see
it.
A
M
H
A
A
Okay,
sorry
city
attorney,
mccherry.
I
think
you
were
mid.
J
Presentation
correct:
I
was
actually
able
to
locate
the
other
document
on
my
screen
during
that
time.
So
I'm
I'm
fine.
Thank
you,
but
out
of
those
49
18
are
in
my
office
to
just
tie
it
back
into
into
our
our
context,
and
currently
we
have
one
assistant
city
attorney
vacant
that
we
are
interviewing
for
this
week.
J
We
just
completed
the
second
interview
this
morning
and
we
have
the
policy
analyst
position
that
we
hope
to
post.
Very
soon,
all
the
other
positions
are
full
or
filled.
J
We
provide
advice
through
attorney-client
privilege
and
public
forums,
and
we
represent
the
city
in
negotiations,
arbitrations
mediations
courts
and
other
forms,
and
then
we
include
those
two
teams
that
I
mentioned
before
that
are
more
like
clients,
but
they
serve
a
large
role.
That
has
a
lot
of
legal
interaction,
so
it
does
work
well
to
have
both
of
them
in
our
office.
J
I
think
there
was
a
little
bit
of
a
decrease
in
both
the
legal
contracts,
because
I
think
we
had
anticipated,
potentially
ongoing
midtown
council
that
has
been
essentially
delayed
based
on
our
change
in
midtown
strategy,
and
then
there
was,
I
think,
extra
funding
put
in
our
office
supplies
last
year.
That
was
essentially
a
bank
error.
So
we're
not
we're
not
asking
for
that
same
error
this
year.
J
Happy
you
asked
that
I
would
absolutely
put
a
deputy
into
into
work
if,
given
the
opportunity,
I
think
I
think
we
didn't
have
a
position
description
to
propose
this
year,
so
I
am
looking
at
some
other
jurisdictions,
so
I
did
not
get
that
expansion
requested
this
year
to
be
considered,
but
I
am
looking
at
how
other
offices
are
functioning
across
the
state
and
elsewhere
to
see
how
that
might
work.
J
My
understanding
is-
and
ms
romero
has
been
with
our
office
for
over
20
years,
which
is
highly
appreciated.
All
of
her
historic
memory
of
how
things
have
functioned.
The
last
time
we
had
a
deputy
was
about
20
years
ago,
so
we
don't
have
that
position
description.
J
It
seems
like
I
did
look
into
it
with
hr
and
our
own
records,
so
I'm
getting
some
examples
from
other
jurisdictions
to
look
at
and
if
I
were
to
have
that
type
of
a
position,
I
would
definitely
break
up
the
attorney
team
a
little
bit
to
be
maybe
more
strategic,
and
you
know,
we'd
have
some,
maybe
specialty
teams
within
our
group
right
now.
Everyone's
pretty.
J
There's
only
one
person
who
does
everything.
Basically
every
topic
has
its
own
attorney
and
we
do
have
backups,
but
I
think
you
know
if
we
were
given
a
little
more
flexibility.
We
could
even
do
more
of
a
team
approach
than
we've
been
able
to
do
since
I've
been
here,
which
I
think
has
been
something
that
I
worked
on
as
as
one
of
my
strategies.
So
that
would
be
one
of
the
advantages
of
that
and
then
just
spreading
out
supervisory
duties.
A
Okay,
interesting
questions
from
the
committee
on
this
budget.
D
J
J
That
was
one
pretty
large
legal
contract
that
we
had
then,
and
then
I
think
we
were
keeping
some
of
the
budget
for
kind
of
a
more
significant
legal
contract
that
we
thought
we
might
be
using
this
year
for
midtown,
depending
on
how
the
midtown
project
went.
But
given
that
we
are
doing
the
rezoning
in-house
and
we
did
not
go
through
with
a
transaction
with
a
developer
this
past
year,
we
didn't
utilize
that
legal
contract.
So
the
request
is
more
in
line
with
what
we
anticipate
using
this
year
as
well.
D
Great
thank
you
for
that
and
I
would
say
again
since
there
is
an
increase
for
city
attorney
salary
and
until
I
feel
more
comfortable
with
the
pay
increases
in
the
budget
overall,
I
will,
I
won't
be
voting
on
this
yet
so
just
wanted
to.
Let
you
all
know
not
that
I
don't
think
aaron
deserves
more.
I
just
want
to
get
this
clarified,
so
I
feel
more
comfortable
about
the
uneven
uneven
pay
increases
right
now.
As
I
see
it,
so
that's
all.
I
have
manager.
A
Thank
you,
counselor
councillor,
rivera.
B
You
know,
along
that
same
line
there
was,
I
guess,
a
compensation
evaluation
that
was
done
for
the
clerk.
Was
there
one
done
for
the
city
attorney?
K
Absolutely
sorry
to
be
slow
to
respond
counselor
I
was
I
was
listening
in,
but
not
framing
an
answer.
Yes,
sir.
We
have
that
as
we
do
have
the
a
similar
chart
of
what
city
attorneys
in
other
jurisdictions
make,
and
we
can
absolutely
provide
that,
but
I
would
be
d
I
would.
I
would
be
disrespectful
if
I
didn't
return
the
question
to
both
the
councilwoman
vial
and
council
revere
I
over
overspoke
and
answer
about
my
philosophy.
I'm
I
think.
K
If
it's
a
real
conversation,
I
would
welcome
the
opportunity
to
hear
your
philosophy
so
that
we
can
learn
it
not.
Have
it
be
a
speech
from
me
but
a
dialogue
about
how
compensation
best
works
in
city
government.
I
feel
like
I
may
have
over
spoken,
but
I'd
also
want
to
leave
room
for
a
dialogue
rather
than
a
monologue.
For
me,.
B
Well,
I
think
I've
been
under
the
philosophy,
the
thinking,
the
idea
that
it
should
be
fair
throughout.
I
think
I
value
aaron
and
I
value
christine
as
much
as
I
do
all
the
people
working
underneath
him
and
to
single
out
two
specific
people
because
of
their
relationship
with
you,
as
people
that
you
are
responsible
for,
doesn't
make
sense
to
me.
I
think
it
should
be
fair
across
the
board.
Clearly
I
I'm
gonna
have
the
same
questions
and
discussion
probably
with
when
it
comes
to
the
police
department,
maybe
that
one's
different.
B
But
for
me
it
would
be
nice
to
know
that
our
employees
are
valued
just
as
much
as
those
that
are
already
making
the
highest
amount
of
money
in
the
city.
K
K
I
think
in
some
governments
every
department
head
makes
the
exact
same
amount
of
money,
regardless
of
how
big
the
department
is
to
me
that
doesn't
seem
fair,
equitable
in
some
areas.
K
The
only
time
people
get
in
some
governments,
people
get
pay
increases
when
they
take
a
new
job,
but
then
are
it's
hard
to
get
pay
raises
thereafter,
and
that
leads
to
inequities
or
unfair.
What
is
perceived
to
be
unfair
when
you
look
at
pay
compensation
internally,
our
city
clerk
currently
is
making
dollars
and
seven
cents
an
hour.
Our
city
attorney,
if
I'm
correct,
is
making
60
dollars
and
10
cents
an
hour,
but
our
executive
director
of
tourism
is
making
59.09.
K
Director
makes
more
money
than
the
city
clerk
at
57.20
because
of
historical
bumps
over
time
and
people
getting
paid
different
amounts
when
they
negotiate
their
internal
agreement
to
come
to
work,
and
so
the
question
becomes
with
people
who
are
absolutely
critical,
high
profile
teammates
at
the
highest
and
most
demanding
jobs
when
and
how
do
they
get
a
chance
to
catch
up
to
a
situation
that,
by
most
internal
standards
by
most
governmental
agencies,
wouldn't
be
regarded
as
a
good
recognition
of
their
service
and
an
ample
reward
for
their
efforts?
K
So
we're
struggling
on
an
ongoing
basis?
It
isn't
ever
done
with
one
one
action.
We
have
to
do
a
little
here
and
a
little
there
at
both
the
top
and
at
the
top
highest
paid
and
throughout
the
departments.
Over
the
last
four
years,
we've
made
efforts
to
increase,
pay
and
benefits
for
all
of
our
employees.
You
counselor
were
very
instrumental
last
year
in
making
sure
that
the
city
absorbed
all
of
the
additional
health
care
costs
for
our
employees,
because
we
were
coming
out
of
covitt
and
we
wanted
to
assume
that
responsibility.
K
This
year
we
did
fund
the
only
class
and
comp
study
ever
to
be
completed
when
I
became
mayor,
so
I
think
it's
an
ongoing
effort
to
demonstrate
the
commitment
to
recognition,
reward
retention,
development
at
all
levels
of
the
city
government
and
the
three
people
who
report
to
me
by
charter,
I'm
simply
in
a
slightly
different
position
and
they
are
in
a
slightly
different
position
than
folks
who
are
covered
by,
let's
say,
a
collective
bargaining
agreement.
It's
not,
it
is
by
charter,
not
the
same,
and
so
treating
people
who
are
different.
K
The
same
is,
as
is
unfair
as
treating
everybody
the
same,
regardless
of
the
size
of
their
department
or
this
or
the
required
workload
to
perform
their
duties.
We
have
to
try
to
make
reasonable
distinctions
where
they
apply
and
that
and
that's
again
it's
a
this
is
a
philosophy
there's
no,
there
isn't
one
philosophy.
K
Different
different
points
of
view
are
always
welcome
and
that's
why
I
think
the
chair
has
been
very
permissive
in
allowing
me
to
go
on
perhaps
a
little
too
long,
because,
as
noted
before,
we
really
don't
take
the
time
to
talk
these
things
out.
B
K
B
A
If
I,
if
I
can
interject
here,
can-
and
I
don't
know
whether
we
need
burn
or
or
whether
or
the
city
manager
can
speak
to
this-
that
we've
a
couple
times
talked
about
the
class
and
comps,
and
the
class
and
comp
study
is
targeted
at
a
particular
strata
of
city
employee
and
that
the
couple
of
employees
that
we've
been
talking
about
this
afternoon
are
not
part
of
that
class
and
cops
study.
They
you
know.
Sometimes
they
have
contracts.
A
Sometimes
they
don't-
and
I
think
you
know
historically,
they
have
had
contracts
and
we're
moving
into
a
different
situation
here,
where
they
don't
have
contracts
anymore.
They
don't
want
contracts
and
so
we're
it
we're
in
kind
of
new
chartered
territory
right
when
we
don't.
You
know,
I
think
we
may
even
be
prohibited
by
law
for
from
deciding
particular
salary
levels
and
there's
good
reason
for
that
right,
because
you
don't
want
city
councillors
pulling
out
favorites
and
saying
yeah.
A
I
want
to
give
my
cousin
a
raise,
or
I
want
to
you
know,
give
this
city
employee,
who
I
work
with
a
lot
and
think
is
very
responsive
to
me.
I
want
to
give
them
a
raise,
so
that
would
be
unfair
right.
So
that's
why
we
don't
get
involved
in
deciding
which
employee
gets
one
salary,
but
we
have
different
stratas
of
employees
across
the
city.
I
believe
we
have.
You
know
kind
of
the
bulk
of
our
city.
A
Employees
would
be
covered
by
a
class
and
comp
study,
and
then
we
have,
you
know
kind
of
the
the.
What
do
you
call
it?
The
your
your?
What's
the
word
I
want,
you
got
your
high-level
staff.
What
do
you?
What
do
you?
What's
your
you
have
a
meeting.
A
Yeah,
well,
not
I
mean
yeah,
maybe
they're
exempt,
but
they're.
Also,
your
you
know:
senior
staff,
that's
what
I'm
trying
to
say
so
and
that
senior
staff
in
that
senior
staff.
You
have
three
that
are
charter
created
that
report
directly
and
are
supervised
by
the
administrator
by
by
the
mayor
by
the
executive,
and
then
you
have
all
the
other
directors
that
are
supervised
by
the
city
manager.
A
So
it
is
sort
of
complicated
and-
and
I
guess
I
I
don't
know-
is
what
I'm
saying
correct
and
I
don't
know
who's
the
best
person
to
answer.
That
is
that
class
and
comps
does
not
cover
people
like
the
city,
attorney
and
city.
K
Clerk,
madam
chair,
the
last
class
and
comp
study,
we
did
in
fact
did
include
city
attorney's
position
and
gave
us
spread.
Okay.
It
did
not
include
the
city
clerk
by
specifically
excluded
the
city
clerk
so
that
depart
that
position
was
not
subject
to
that
kind
of
evaluation.
We
do
have
kind
of
a
back
of
the
envelope
set
of
data
that
councilor
rivera
asked
for
earlier
that
I'm
happy
to
provide.
K
That's
doesn't
have
the
benefit
of
a
professional
class
and
comp
consultant,
but
does
give
some
indications
about
what
would
be
some
market
rate
pay
scale
for
people
filling
positions
that
don't
match
up
one-to-one
because
there
really.
It
really
is
a
new
role
that
we
created
with
the
reorganization.
K
For
that
study
was
that
if
you
look
at
a
pay
band,
we
had
way
too
many
people
below
minimum,
and
we
expended
a
substantial
amount
of
city
resources
to
lift
everybody
into
that
market.
Pay
band
and
trying
not
to
do
a
compression
where
we
crushed
salaries
together
and
therefore
people
couldn't
advance
or
get
pay
increases
going
forward
in
the
future,
or
people
who
were
reporting
to
some
of
somebody
else
were
making
more
money
than
the
people
they
were
reporting
to.
So
it's
a
it
is
both
an
art
and
a
science.
A
B
A
Yeah-
and
I
guess
then,
the
other
thing
I
would
note
is
that
the
city
attorney,
if,
if
my
memory
serves,
did
start
as
the
city
attorney
and
did
have
a
contract
which
she
negotiated
with
the
mayor
and
that
contract
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
didn't
allow
for
you
to
get
raises
when
other
city
employees
did
over
the
course
the
last
four
years.
Am
I
correct
in
remembering
that.
A
Yeah,
so
when
we
gave
city
employees
the
raises
that
we've
given
them
over
the
last
four
years,
our
city
attorney
because
of
the
contract
she
had
didn't
get.
Those
raises
so
in
fact
hasn't
had
a
raise
in
something
like
three
four
three
and
a
half
somewhere
in
there
years.
Correct.
A
Cherry
women
remember
that's
correct
yeah
and
I
think
if
we
look
at
the
comparables
for
city
attorneys,
we
will
see
that
our
city
attorney
is
underpaid
when
you
look
at
the
market
and
certainly
we
can
provide
the
committee
with
with
that
information,
if
it's
something
that
would
be
helpful,
councilwoman
via
rail,
your
hand
is
up
and
council
river,
I'm
not
sure
if
your
hand
is
an
old
hand
or
any
hand,
but
I'll
I'll
go
to
councilwoman
via
rail.
Now
I
think
that
actually.
D
What
you
brought
that
up?
It
would
be
helpful
because
we
all
are
operating
under
the
assumption
that
everybody
gets
the
same,
including
folks,
their
positions
that
are
under
the
that
report
to
the
mayor
that
everybody
gets
the
same,
raise
when
we
do
a
pay
increase.
So
you're
saying.
D
J
Chairwoman,
romeroworth
counselor
councilwoman
diariel.
I
took
leave
without
pay
in
order
to
make
sure
I
took
the
same
cut
as
everyone
else,
but
no
they
did
not
apply
to
me
and
I
did
not
have
to
take
it.
So
I
pre-loaded
myself.
J
A
And
so
again,
this
is
where
I
think
we
have
this.
These
three
employees
are
different
right:
the
city
manager
and
the
city
clerk
there.
Typically,
they
have
all
had
contracts
right,
and
so
their
contracts
have
spelled
out
different
things.
Now,
at
the
moment,
none
of
these
three
high-level
employees,
senior
employees,
have
contracts
which
would
have
you
know,
spelled
out
things
like
what
happens
when
they
leave
and
what
kinds
of
raises
they're
subject
to
and
not
subject
to,
and
we
don't
you
just.
D
K
She
was
one
of
the
people
who
early
on
followed
the
what
was
then
the
practice
and
since
then
the
as
count
as
the
chair
lady
has
identified.
The
practice
has
changed
of
people
going
from
it's
normal
and
operationally
convenient
to
have
a
contract
to.
I
would
rather
not
have
a
contract
and
we'll
deal
with
it
without
any
protections
or
stipulations
in
a
in
a
contract
agreement,
and
so
our
current
city
attorney
and
and
I
think
it's
a
little
uncomfortable
to
put
the
suit
it.
D
Is
but
I
guess
it
just
the
the
information
that
we
need,
because
it
would
be
helpful,
which
is
different
from
the
other
two
positions
when
did
when
did
aaron's
contract
expire,
then.
J
J
Mine
expired
in
december,
so
mine
was
co-terminus
with
the
first
term
of
the
mayor,
so
so
basically
they
had
the
protections.
If
I
were
to
be
let
go
before
the
end
of
the
mayor's
term,
then
there
would
have
been
a
severance
pay
and
that
type
of
thing-
and
I
opted
not
to
try
to
renegotiate
a
new
contract
that
would
have
those
types
of
protections
in
the
mayor's
second
term.
A
And
I
guess
my
only
my
only
point
is
that
these
people
are
different
than
other
city
employees,
because
they
are
by
charter
under
the
supervision
of
the
mayor
and
the
very
most
senior
of
the
executive's
team,
the
city
manager,
the
city
clerk,
the
city
attorney
and-
and
you
can
see
that
in
the
charter,
in
terms
of
who
hires
them
and
who
has
the
ability
to
fire
them.
I
I
believe,
and
city
attorney
mccherry
you
could,
I
think
the
only
person
we
can
fire
is
the
city
manager
by
an
extraordinary
vote.
J
That's
correct:
there
is
a
there's,
a
confirmation
for
the
city
clerk
and
the
city
attorney,
but
there's
not
a
there's,
not
a
provision
for
dismissal
right.
A
So
we
provide
advice
and
consent
much
like
the
senate
right.
So
you
you
have
members
of
the
executive
team
that
come
that
are
are
picked
by
the
executive
and
then
the
senate,
with
the
you
know,
confirms,
is
asked
for
their
advice
and
consent
on
the
pick.
So
again,
I'm
just
all
I'm
trying
to
say
is
that
these
few
positions
are
different
than
your
rank
and
file
city
employees.
D
A
And
just
to
give
you
some
comparables,
the
santa
fe
county
attorney
is
paid
137,
700.,
los
alamos
hundred
156,
two
albuquerque,
a
hundred
and
fifty
thousand
seven
hundred
twenty
four.
You
know:
flagstaff
arizona,
two
hundred
thousand
longmont
colorado,
197
000,
lubbock,
texas,
250
000.
I
think
you
know
I
don't
do
we
have
the
county
say:
oh
santa
fe
county.
I
read
that
first
137
700.,
you
know.
If
you
look
at
what
the
market
is
paying
attent
city
attorneys
government
attorneys
at
the
highest
level.
D
Well,
I
think
in
general,
across
the
board,
we're
not
competitive
for
any
city
position,
we're
all
over
the
place.
The
cast
the
class
income
didn't
actually
help
us.
I
mean
it
set
this
like
kind
of
baseline,
but
we
need
to
do
it
over
there's
a
lot
of
things,
but
I'm
I'm
focusing
on
the
three
and
specifically
for
aaron.
D
It
would
have
helped
us
to
know
that
and
have
that
in
the
budget
saying
that
actually
aaron
was
under
contract.
It
expired
on
december
2021
and
she
didn't
get
a
pay
increase
at
all
compared
to
everybody
else.
It
did
because
this
equity
piece
like
seeing
everybody
getting
those
pay
increases,
is
important
and
and
then
hearing
that
aaron
didn't
get
any.
That
changes
the
scenario,
so
I'm
just
pointing
that
out
that
she
is.
D
A
The
only
and
the
only
thing
I
would
also
say
about
this
is
that
we
are
not
allowed
to
approve
individual
salaries.
So
that's
not
what
we're
doing
here.
By
approving
this
budget,
we
are
proving
a
lump
sum
for
the
supervisors
of
the
people
they
supervise.
They
are
the
ones
who
work
out
those
those
salary
levels.
We
don't
get
to
do
that.
We
can't
do
that
and
you
know
we
are
working
to
bring
salaries
up,
but
there
are
different
ways
of
doing
that.
Some
people
get
class
and
comp.
A
D
L
D
K
A
A
I
think
asks
me,
for
instance,
they
they
get
a
lump
sum
right
and
it
they
don't
have
to
give
everybody
eight
percent,
and
in
fact
I
I
think
if,
if
and
somebody
who
has
more
understanding
of
this,
they
did
give
more
higher
raise
to
people
who
were
making
less,
and
that
is
their.
That
is
their
that's.
D
But
I'm
talking
about
across
the
board
union
non-union
exempt,
I'm
talking
about
the
pay
that
folks
get
and
how
we
do
increases
based
on
the
pay
scale.
So
we
could
get
into
that
philosophy,
but
I
think
we
need
to
move
on
and
I
want
to
know
how
to
move
forward
with
this,
because
I'm
concerned
about
that
too.
Well,
there's
two
things
we
didn't
vote
and
we
need
to
vote
on
the
last
budget.
We
just
did
even
if
it's
vote
to
postpone
for
the
community
engagement.
D
D
A
H
Counselor
lindell
on
that,
exactly
on
that,
so
we
we
don't
vote,
though,
just
specifically
on
city
attorney,
it's
the
whole
package
of
general
government,
correct
yep.
We
don't
set
the.
D
F
Madam
chair,
if
I
may
address
the
protocol
for
voting
on
departments,
the
vote
does
occur
by
department,
as
attorney
mccherry
mentioned
earlier
department
and
category
and
fund.
F
So
as
a
counselor
via
royale
mentioned,
the
municipal
court
judge
was
not
able
to
join
us
today,
so
the
last
piece
of
the
general
government
department
will
be
heard
first
tomorrow
the
general
government
department
does
include
the
city
attorney's
office,
the
municipal
court,
as
well
as
the
mayor's
office
city
council
and
the
city
manager's
office
and
internal
audit.
So
all
of
those
would
have
to
be
voted
on
with
one
vote
at
the
culmination
of
the
presentation
by
judge
vihil
tomorrow.
Okay,.
A
A
Okay,
so
many
hands
up,
don't
know
whether
they're
old
or
new
counselor.
D
F
Madam
chair,
I
think
I
can
ask
andy
hopkins
to
clarify,
but
in
the
city's
budget
it
the
appropriation
for
the
internal
audit
is
contained
within
an
org,
correct,
andy
within
a
chart
of
our
accounts,
org.
That
is
called
out
as
the
internal
audit.
L
Madam
chair
director,
mccoy,
you
are
correct.
It
is
a
separate
org.
It
is
actually
classified
in
our
city
system
as
a
separate
division
as
well,
but
it
is
part
of
the
general
government
department.
J
Chairwoman
romero
worth
counselor
theodore.
I
would
just
say
that
when
we
did
our
reorg
last
year
with
the
kind
of
clarification
of
departments,
we
did
clarify
the
internal
audit
reports
to
the
city
manager,
and
I
don't
have
the
org
chart
in
front
of
me
to
see
if
it's
reflected
that
way.
But
it's
an
independent
office
that
reports
the
city
manager,
okay,.
B
B
If
I
can't
based
on
what
I
just
heard
from
everyone,
I
think
I
could
now
support
the
city
attorney's
budget,
and
if
we
could
go
if
we
could
approve
each
individual
one,
I
think
that
would
be
better
than
holding
all
of
them
up,
because
I'm
waiting
for
information
on
community
engagement,
even
if
that
goes
in
the
parking
lot,
it
can
stay
there,
but
at
least
we
get
the
rest
done.
So
we're
not
having
everything
back
up
again.
A
Yeah,
I
know-
and
I
hear
you
accept-
that
community
engagement
is
not
under
the
general
is
my
understanding.
Somebody
correct
me:
if
I'm
wrong
is
not
under
the
I
just
lost
the
page.
Sorry
is
not
under
the
general
government
umbrella,
so
what
I
was
doing
is
we'll
just
go
through
the
the
rest
of
these
and
and
because
we
don't
have
the
municipal
judge
with
us.
We
won't
be
able
to
vote
on
all
of
them
until
tomorrow
morning,
the
so
it
would
be
tomorrow
morning,
under
general
government
umbrella.
B
Okay,
you
know
clearly
it's
up
to
you,
then
in
other
areas,
where
we
might
have
questions
on
one
issue,
even
though
they
were.
If
the
courts
could
report
today
and
we
had
a
question
on
the
city
attorney.
That
would
then
delay
everybody
until
we
had
the
information
on
one.
That's
what
I'm
trying
to
say.
A
Yeah
well,
and
I
guess
I
would
just
go
to
director
mccoy
who,
who
said
we
we,
these
all
fall
under
one
umbrella.
I
mean,
would
it
be
easier
if
we
vote
each
of
each
one
separately.
F
Madam
chair
counselors,
I
would
defer
to
our
city
attorney
for
guidance.
I
think.
As
far
as
our
budgetary
technical
perspective,
either
option
would
work,
but
if
city
attorney
mcsherry
could
provide
some
guidance,
that
would
be
a
deal.
J
Chairman
romero
worth
director
mccoy
councillor
rivera,
I
think
either
one
could
probably
work
in
this
instance
just
because
department
is
not
extremely
well
defined
and
the
budget
is
by
department
and
general
government,
I
think,
has
been
used
as
a
budgetary
construct.
It's
not
created
an
ordinance
as
general
government.
A
Okay,
that's
helpful
councilwoman.
D
J
D
J
A
Don't
we
do
that?
Okay,
all
right
and
then
in
the
meantime,
sounds
like.
Perhaps
we
can
vote
on
the
city,
attorney's
budget
and
if
there,
if,
if
the
committee,
what's
the
will
of
the
committee
I'll
move
to
approve
one?
Second,
we
have
a
motion
in
a
second
to
approve
the
city
attorney's
budget.
Can
we
get
a
roll
call?
Please.
A
I
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
Thank
you
counselors
for
your
time
today.
I'm
currently
very
grateful
for
our
city
attorney
for
teaching
me
the
term
coterminous
that
I
don't
think
I've
ever
heard
before,
and
you
learn
something
new
every
single
day.
Thank
you.
I
Today,
so
I
apologize
if
I
sound
a
little
fuzzier
than
normal,
so
the
recommended.
N
I
Request
for
the
city
manager
department
is
756.7
dollars.
This
is
less
than
what
was
the
fy
19
budget
request
pre-pandemic,
and
it
is
an
increase
of
about
344
000
over
last
year's
fiscal
budget
request.
A
significant
portion
of
that
is
related
to
the
salary
and
benefits
for
the
about
to
be
announced.
I
Deputy
city
manager,
who
will
be
joining
us
here
in
a
few
weeks
here
at
the
city
of
santa
fe
part
of
that
as
well,
is
that
we
have
moved
the
contract
or
we're
moving
the
funds
for
our
participation
with
the
municipal
league
into
the
city,
manager's
office
and
the
city
manager's
budget.
I
There
are
dollars
there
set
aside
for
a
contract
with
the
new
lobbying
firm
to
help
us
with
our
work
being
done
in
the
state
legislature
and
then
some
money
that
I'm
setting
aside
in
order
to
try
and
engage,
as
was
mentioned
during
the
committee
meeting
yesterday,
some
help
in
helping
the
city
leverage
both
foundational
and
federal
grants
to
try
to
help
diversify
the
revenues
that
come
into
the
city
and
to
try
to
help
bring
in
some
matching
dollars
to
some
of
the
money
that
we're
already.
A
D
I
Well,
I
think
we're
trying
to
move
quickly
about
bringing
an
entity
on
to
try
to
help
begin.
This
grant
training,
and
so
the
purpose
of
money
is
to
begin
contracting
right
as
quickly
as
we
can.
I
think
we're
going
to
try
to
bring
somebody
on
contract
immediately
and
then,
at
the
same
time,
work
on
an
rfp
to
have
an
open
process,
and
so
what
we're
trying
to
do
is,
I
think,
the
way
that
we're
navigating
the
grant.
L
I
Is
as
an
initial
step,
there
are
some
entities
that
we're
aware
of
that
provide
actual
work
to
be
done
around
identifying
grants,
helping
staff
get
the
grant
applications
in
helping
them,
get
get
the
money
in
the
door
and
helping
manage
them
when
the
money
does
come
in
the
door.
At
the
same
time,
long-term
counselor,
I
think
what
we're
working
towards
is
getting
training
from
some
of
these
entities,
not
this
fiscal
year.
This
is
down
the
road
where
we
would
hire
some
of
our
own
full-time
fte
grant
staffs.
L
I
I
I
think
we're
looking
at
a
short-term
contract
that
to
get
the
ball
rolling
and
at
the
same
time,
initiating
an
rfp
that
would
be
for
a
longer
period
of
time
and
then
we'd
go
from
there.
But
again,
we're
trying
to
the
mayor
keeps
teasing
me
freezing
the
phrase
but
we're
trying
to
cook
with
gas
and
we're
trying
to
do
I'm
trying
to
move
as
quickly
as
we
can
to
get
this
going.
I
I
The
guidance
that
I
get
from
outside
city
hall
is
that
we
need
to
be
deliberative
in
how
we
start
doing
these
grants,
because
if
we
swing
for
the
fences
and
ask
for
a
10
million
dollar
grant,
we
may
not
have
the
staff
in
place
to
really
manage
the
grant,
make
sure
the
money
is
being
spent
on
time,
etc.
So
what
I
sort
of
foresee
is
doing
is
working
in
a
manner
that
we
start
with
some
smaller
grants
and
it
can
be
within
any
department,
we're
happy.
You
know
I'm
happy
to
consider.
I
You
know
the
next
step
will
be
for
us
to
meet
with
senior
management.
Once
we
get
someone
under
contract
to
help
us
find
out
what
the
greatest
needs
are
find
out.
What
you
know,
I
don't
want
to
use
the
phrase
low-hanging
fruit,
but
essentially
what
some
low-hanging
fruit
out
there,
either
from
foundations
or
from
the
federal
government
that
we
can
begin
to
implement
these
processes
internally
identify
how
we
do
it.
What
are
the
processes?
What
are
the
steps
and
then
grow
from
once?
I
We've
done
a
couple,
small
ones
get
bigger,
get
bigger,
get
bigger,
so
that's
the
direction
that
we're
heading,
but
the
intent
will
be
that
it
be
for
all
departments
whatever
you
know,
I
sort
of
view
this
counselor
in
full
candor
as
there's
a
whole
lot
of
federal
money
out
there.
Our
federal
delegation
does
a
great
job,
in
particular,
congresswoman
ted
estella
fernandez,
senator
heinrich
senator
lujan,
who
are
willing
to
work
with
us
to
help
do
this,
but
we
do
need
some.
D
Sounds
good
and
I
think
one
entity
I
know
of
the
grant
plant
does
this
as
a
regular
service,
a
non-profit
service.
Just
to
like
that,
and
then.
D
I
Counselor
mayor
worth
councillor,
vietnam,
I
would
actually
ask
director
mccoy
to
help
answer
what
happened
before
I
got
here.
I'm
not
sure
I
know
the
answer
to
that.
F
Adam
chair
counselor,
the
position
that
was
approved-
I
believe,
happened
a
few
months
ago.
This
is
the
funding
for
the
full-year
cost
of
the
position
for
all
12
months
of
fiscal
year.
23.
D
So
what
was
the
133
000
that
we
approved?
Well,
we
approved
having
a
deputy
city
manager
position
and
then
there
was
also
an
amount
for
salary.
I
Madam
chair
counselor
danielle,
so
this
was
when
I
got
here,
was
the
job
description
so
that
so
the
governing
body
does
not
get
to
vote
on
whether
I
was
able
to
hire
a
deputy
city
manager.
The
debate
that
was
had
is
that
the
ordinance
provides
that
the
governing
body
can
weigh
in
on
the
job
description,
and
so
the
job
description
provided
our
salary
range
and
I
think
the
number
that
you're
referring
to
the
133
was
the
high
point
of
that
range.
I
But
I
don't
believe
that
pardon
me,
I
don't
believe
any
dollars
were
actually
set
aside
for
that
position
at
that
time.
So
what
is
the
funding
for
this
position?
Then
the
salary
is
110
000
and
then
the
difference
are
the
associated
costs
for
taxes
and
benefits,
etc.
I
Councillor
mera
worth
councillor,
danielle,
that's
correct.
The
base
salary
will
be
110,
000.
G
I
Right
manager,
it
was
more,
I
believe
it
was
60
days
in
which
for
me
to
hire
someone,
and
so
I
think,
within
the
offer
date.
I
think
we
I
think
we
hit
that
mark,
but
I
can
follow
up
and
confirm
that,
for
you.
A
Okay
city
attorney,
mcsherry
your
hand,
is
up.
J
Chairwoman
romero
worth
a
city
manager
blair.
I
think
we
had
to
get
approval
of
the
position
description
within
the
60
days
and
then
I
think
I
don't
know
that
the
hiring
date
we
can
double
check
on
that.
But
the
60
days,
I
think,
was
approval
of
the
position
description
so
that
we
could
post
it.
A
Yeah,
I
remember
there
being
some
some
sort
of
urgency
to
that.
If
you
didn't
take
advantage
of
it,
you
were
going
to
lose
the
ability
to
do
it.
So
all
right
questions
from
the
committee
counselor
lindell.
H
Thank
you
chair,
just
a
quick
question.
City
manager,
blair-
and
this
is
the
first
time
we've
had
the
pleasure
of
you
at
these
hearings,
so
welcome.
It's.
I've
certainly
enjoyed
having
the
opportunity
to
work
with
you
just
give
us
a
brief,
40,
000
foot,
philosophical.
I
Madam
chair
councilman
lindell,
thank
you
for
the
questions
and
the
kind
words
today,
I
think,
is
my
three-month
anniversary.
So
any
gifts
or
cards
or
balloons
you'd
like
to
send
for
governing
body
I'll,
be
here
until
dark.
So
you
know
happy
to
get
that
just
came
yeah,
so
counselor.
I
think
that
you
know
I
spoke
a
little
bit
to
this.
I
think
when
we're
having
the
debate
around
the
need
for
a
deputy
city
manager
is
that
you
know,
I
think
we've
got
an
extraordinary
team
leading
the
city
of
santa
fe.
I
We've
got
an
extraordinary
team
of
employees
who
are
working
here
at
the
city
of
santa
fe
and
doing
all
they
can
to
serve
the
residents
of
santa
fe.
But,
like
all
government
entities
we
can
get
stronger,
we
can
get
better,
we
can
get
faster
and
there
is
a
real
intent
on
my
part
that
the
deputy
city
manager
will
begin
to
really
focus
on
helping
to
strengthen
the
city
of
santa
fe
team
and
to
help
us
modernize
and
professionalize
some
of
the
processes
and
systems
in
which
we're
serving
the
public.
I
You
know,
I
think,
you've
heard
me
speak
about
sort
of
building
out
capacity.
The
goal
is
is
ultimately
to
have
this
person.
I
I
will
use
a
phrase
from
a
movie
that
the
mayor
likes
to
use
a
lot
help
me
help
you.
This
deputy
city
manager
is
going
to
be
to
help
the
senior
leadership
folks
and
the
other
people
running
city
government
to
help
themselves
to
do
a
better
job
out
of
the
gate.
Some
of
the
initial
projects
that
I'm
going
to
want
to
have
the
deputy
city
manager
working
on
includes
finding
with
each
department
director
what
are
their
top
three
vacancies
that
they
have,
that
need
to
be
filled.
I
Be
that
foot
on
the
gas
pedal
to
make
sure
that
they're
working
with
the
department
directors
on
getting
the
forms
completed.
They
have
to
get
done
working
with
hr
to
make
sure
they're
pushing
to
get
this
done.
Working
with
director
mccoy
seem
to
make
sure
the
finances
are
approved,
but
that
we're
not
looking
up
in
december
saying
you
know
we
really
should
try
to
fill
some
of
these
vacancies.
We
want
to
get
them
filled
as
quickly
as
possible.
Get
smart,
creative,
innovative
people
in
the
door
to
help
run
government
in
a
better
way.
I
The
second
piece
will
be,
as
I
mentioned
earlier
to
council
via,
is
to
learn
how
we
can
begin
to
set
up
our
own
diversity,
equity
and
inclusion
programs
both
for
internal
services
and
how
we
relate
with
each
other,
but
also
how
we
interact
with
the
public.
And
then
there
are
some
initial.
L
I
That
I
think
begin
that
we
need
to
begin
modernizing
in
a
way
that
meet
the
21st
century
needs
of
our
staff,
including
how
is
our
onboarding
system
working
modernizing
the
way
in
which
his
employees
are
made
offers
how
we
get
them
in
the
door?
What
we
do
so
there's
a
variety
of
those
sorts
of.
I
I
don't
want
to
call
them
inside,
but
they're
kind
of
inside
baseball.
It's
helped.
It's
really
improving
the
way
that
we,
as
the
city
staff,
work
together
and
serve
the
community
as
a
whole.
So
I
don't
want
to.
I
know
that
we're
I
think,
I'm
in
the
middle
of
the
six
or
seven
reports,
but
that's
as
quickly
as
I
could
sort
of
try
to
answer
your
question
counselor.
A
Thank
you,
counselor
counselor,
rivera.
I
Matter,
madam
chair
council
rebeta,
I
I
don't
recall
the
exact
details.
All
I
have
been
working
off
of
was
the
salary
range
within
the
job
description
that
was
approved
by
the
government
body,
and
so
I
I
don't
recall
enough
about
the
exact
discussion
to
your
point.
I
don't
remember
that
language,
sir.
O
Yes,
counselor
rivera.
Sorry,
I'm
on
my
way
to
an
appointment.
So
if
the
reception
is
bad,
I
apologize.
I
don't
recall
the
exact
amount,
but
I
believe
that
the
110
000
was
the
base
salary
and
then,
depending
on
what
benefits
are
selected.
That
would
could
potentially
change
again,
depending
on
what's
selected
by
the
by
the
new
employee.
F
Madam
chair
counselor,
we
don't
actually
apply
an
average.
We
apply
an
actual
rate
based
on
the
health
package
or
the
dental
package
for
the
upcoming
year.
So
I
would
say
if
I
had
to
put
an
average
on
it,
it's
probably
between
it's
a
large
range
but
35
and
45
percent,
because
some
of
our
fire
and
police
union
have
the
retiree
health
care
enhanced
program
and
because
there
is
such
a
large
range
in
our
health
insurance
as
well
from
a
single
carrier
to
a
family
plan.
F
F
Counselor,
yes,
this
particular
in
this
particular
case
that
is
the
159
000-
is
the
fully
loaded,
salary
plus
benefits
again
at
those
pretty
average
rates,
not
at
the
highest
family
rate
and
not
nor
at
the
lowest.
So
we
try
to
really
carry
for
the
all
bacon
positions.
That
middle
of
the
road
estimate
in
the
event
that
we
understand,
some
employees
that
are
hired
on
will
be
at
the
family
plan
and
others
will
either
decline
or
be
at
the
single
the
single
option.
A
B
F
F
F
Moving
on
to
well,
let
me
pause
there
if
there
are
any
questions
on
the
internal
audit
budget.
This
just
as
a
reminder,
this
is
this
function
has
been
outsourced
after
the
mcard
report.
That
was
a
recommendation
of
the
mccard
firm
to
outsource
this
function.
The
city
has
engaged
with
a
firm
named
redw
to
perform
the
internal
audit
functions.
F
Those
internal
audit
functions
have
covered.
Our
assessments
have
covered
anything
from
procurement
to
leases,
to
police
evidence
room
most
recently,
and
the
team
at
redw,
I
believe,
has
is
wrapping
up
the
risk
assessment.
The
current
year
risk
assessment
to
then
determine
the
game
plan
on
how
to
utilize
this
150
000,
with
their
recommendations
on
which
assessments
to
do
in
the
future.
This
is
these
internal
audits
are
presented
to
the
audit
committee,
as
well
as
to
the
finance
committee
upon
completion
by
this
outsourced
function
with
that,
madam
chair
I'll
stand
for
any
questions
on
this.
A
Great
questions
from
the
committee
on
the
internal
audit.
A
A
Yes,
thank
you
all
right
director,
mccoy
under
the
city
council
budget
and
to
the
city
council
budget.
F
Thank
you,
the
city
council's
budget
that
is
before
you
today
represents
a
total
of
a
little
over
six
hundred
thousand.
The
investments
in
the
city
council's
budget
has
actually
increased
by
about
54
when
compared
to
the
pre-pandemic
levels
of
19..
The
city
council's
recommended
budget
for
fy23
actually
increased
by
about
90
thousand.
The
recommended
budget
does
include
an
increase
to
15
thousand
dollars
per
counselor
for
expenses
related
to
office
supplies,
operating
supplies,
food
travel,
printing
expenses
and
any
type
of
dues
related
to
memberships.
F
For
the
legislative
roles
that
the
council
holds.
That
being
said,
as
you
can
see,
those
particular
expenditures
and
the
prior
years
through
covid,
had
been
pretty
low.
As
you
recall,
there
wasn't
much
traveling
going
on
during
that
time,
so
we
have
increased
that
to
allow
for
additional
expenses
in
any
of
these
categories
in
supplies
and
other
operating
costs.
We
did
solicit
some
feedback
from
the
council
as
well,
ms
lutetto
reached
out
and
received
several
requests
and
from
different
counselors
on
how
they
would
like
to
spend
this
money.
This
additional
funding.
D
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
Just
a
couple
clarifying
questions,
so
it
says
our
budget
increased
by
54,
but
I
was
trying
to
figure
out
what
accounted
for
that
because
we
don't
have
any
salary
increases
and
if
you
look
at
the
salaries
and
benefits
line
from
back
in
pre
pandemic,
it
was
higher
and
it's
actually
gone
down.
So
can
you
explain
two
things?
D
One
why
our
salary
benefits
have
gone
down
when
we
have
a
fixed
salary
and
I'm
assuming
it
might
be
benefit
changes,
but
I'm
not
sure
if
that's
it
and
why
it
says:
we've
increased
54
which,
when
our
salaries
are
fixed
and
the
only
thing
that
changed
was
that
amount
for
expenses,
our
office
supplies,
etc.
F
Madam
chair
counselors,
those
are
great
questions
the
year
that
we
are
comparing
to
pre-pandemic
levels
as
fy119.
That
is
actually
not
included
in
the
table.
That's
on
this
sheet,
but
really
that,
because
we
only
carry
two
years
of
actual
expenditures
plus
the
prior
mid-year
budget.
That
being
said,
we
do.
F
We
did
find
it
useful
to
compare
all
departments
in
these
presentations
and
in
the
budget
book
to
the
pre-pendant
full
pre-pandemic
year
of
fy
19..
So
you'll
see
that
throughout
each
of
the
presentations
we
wanted
to
call
that
out
specifically
because
we
have
reached
our
pre-pandemic
levels
and
expenses
and
revenue
the
city
council's
budget
for
any
changes
in
the
city
council's
budget
related
to
salaries
and
benefits,
are
determined
by
our
city
code
and
a
state
statute.
F
The
so
you
are
correct.
There
are
no
salary
increases,
I
believe,
last
year
or
this
year
for
city
councillors.
However,
any
changes
to
that
category
of
salaries,
wages
and
benefits
not
to
go
into
specifics
about
each
pers
employee
in
that
particular
category,
but
would
be
caused
by
changes
in
benefits,
increase
in
health
insurance
decrease
in
health
insurance
that
type
of
change
for
the
year.
D
F
P
Thank
you,
director
mccrory,
madam
chair
counselor,
via
real
there's,
a
one
of
the
projects
mr
fletch
actually
worked
on
last
year.
Was
we
established
the
correct
rates
for
our
workers,
comp
rates?
We
hadn't
done
that
in
several
years,
and
that
was,
although
it's
not
a
large
number,
it's
a
big
jump
for
this
budget.
It
went
from
about
five
hundred
dollars
to
almost
seven
thousand
dollars.
It
was
just
corrected.
It's
like.
P
I
said
it's
generally,
a
small
amount,
the
other
real
changes
are
really
around
travel
and
some
of
the
monies
we
added
in
for
the
individual
counselors
and
we're
going
to
the
methodology
we
used.
It
will
be
the
same
as
we
did
last
year,
we'll
create
a
project
ledger
code
and
the
way
we
we
assign
fifteen
thousand
dollars
per
counselor,
so
you'll
be
able
to
track
how
much
of
your
piece
of
your
budget
you're,
actually
spending
or
you
have
available
to
use.
D
So
the
comp,
the
workers
comp
rates
were
corrected
and
that
accounted
for
the
increase
and
then
this
current
travel
increase.
It
seems
like
I'm
sorry
counselor.
Oh
just
I
was
trying
to
remember
what
I
don't
think.
We've
ever
had
a
sixty
thousand
dollar
budget,
even
pre
pandemic.
I
don't
know
if
councillor
lindell
remembers
or
council
rivera.
I
don't
think
we've
ever
had
that.
So
that's
I'm
like
54.
P
Madam
chair
counselor,
via
real,
I
think
what
happened
this
year
is
we.
This
was
the
first
time
since
I've
owned
city
which
I'll
grant
you
is
not
that
long.
Where
we
had
set
aside
money
for
each
counselor
and
this
year,
based
on
some
of
the
requests
we
got.
We
bumped
that
up
a
little
bit,
I
believe.
P
Last
year
it
was
somewhere
around
eight
thousand
000
and
we
bumped
it
up
to
15,
because
now
that
you
know
when
we
were
budgeting
last
year,
we
were
still
unsure
about
covet
and
now
things
with
things
opening
up,
there's
more
travel
being
requested
training
available
events
that
some
counselors
want
to
host.
So
things
like
that,
we
wanted
to
make
sure
that
there
was
a
funding
available
for
those
needs.
D
F
The
floor
for
now,
madam
chair,
I
cannot
also
answer
since
the
pre-pandemic
levels
in
fy
19,
as
I
mentioned,
there's
other
factors
that
play
for
salary
increases
for
counselors,
and
that
did
happen
within
the
last
since
fy
19..
So
that's
why
we've
seen
an
increase
in
the
salaries,
benefits
and
wages
since
that
pre-pandemic
year
as
well,
and
then.
D
G
Madam
chair,
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
the
workers
comp
issue.
The
counselors
were
carried
as
clerical
workers,
but
per
workers
comp
rules.
They
need
to
be
classified
as
general
government
employees.
G
B
Did
I
hear
miss
lottero
say
that
with
this
increase
to
council
or
for
cancer
expenses
that
we
could
use
it
to
host
community
events,
neighborhood
meetings,
things
like
that.
P
Madam
chair
kessler,
rivera
I
would
defer
to
what
the
allowable
uses
are,
but
within
the
within
the
requests
and
what
we
can
budget
within
the
object
codes,
we
budgeted
some
food
and
other
things
like
that
to
allow
you
to
do
that.
As
far
as
the
specifics,
I
would
defer
to
the
city
attorney
for
that
question.
A
J
There
were
no
mirror
worth,
I'm
not
sure.
I
I
think
I'm
hearing
that
the
question
is
about
whether
or
not
funds
in
the
council
budget
could
be
used
for
community
meetings.
Is
that
the
question
yeah
yep?
Yes,
I
see
no
reason
why
not,
but
really
it
would
just
be
if
they're
in
the
right
category,
but
probably
budget
adjustments
are
just
as
possible
for
the
council
budget
as
anyone
else's.
D
Councilwoman
de
arrail
and
on
that
point
so
usually,
if
there
is
a
meeting
that
we
want
to
organize,
it
goes
through
community
engagement
or
constituent,
the
community
engagement
department.
So
how
do
we
figure
that
out?
Those
funds
should
be
coming
from
their
department
to
help
us
set
up
a
meeting
versus
our
own
funds,
or
is
that
shifted
now
with
this
new
budget.
F
Madam
chair
counselor,
if
I
may,
I
think
this
the
city
clerk
would
be
the
best
to
actually
answer
that
question
about
the
details
of
assisting
the
counselors
and
setting
up
that
type
of
community
engagement
or
outreach.
But
this
15
000
would
be
available
for
that.
If
you
so
choose
and
if
not,
if
you
would
like
to
spend
it
on
travel
or
operating
supplies,
notebooks.
F
If
there's
memberships
in
professional
organizations
as
well,
any
any
type
of
expense
in
those
general
categories
we'd
be
happy
to
review
if
there
are
requests
that
do
come
up
in
the
middle
of
the
year
to
be
able
to
assist
you
with
that
request,
whether
it's
booking
travel
or
paying
for
a
membership
to
a
professional
organization,
so
we're
happy
to
assist
throughout
the
fiscal
year.
If
you
have
any
more
specific
questions.
D
Yeah,
I
think
I
just
want
to
know,
as
it
relates
to
meetings
that
are
also
related
to
departments,
to
be
able
to
communicate
certain
things
to
to
the
community
if
that
comes
from
our
budget
or
that
comes
from
community
engagement
department.
So
maybe
someone
could
just
get
that
information
for
us.
So
we
know
the
difference.
H
A
D
H
H
A
F
Doing
that
one
as
well,
yes,
I
can
run
through
this.
It's
a
one
slider
as
john
referenced
earlier.
All
of
these
are
so
just
to
review.
The
mayor's
23
recommended
budget
is
a
little
under
500
000.
F
The
mayor's
recommended
budget
increased
by
a
little
by
5,
600
or
1.2
percent,
and
the
recommended
budget
does
include
20
000
in
office
and
operating
supplies,
10
000
and
printing
81
000
in
dues.
At
the
current
time,
there
are
two
fte
that
are
supported
out
of
this.
F
This
work,
this
division,
the
one
one
salary,
is
to
support
the
mayor's
salary
and
the
other
is
for
the
executive
assistant
that
executive
assistant
is
vacant
at
the
moment.
F
So
that
is,
if
we
circle
back
to
the
very
very
beginning
of
this
particular
presentation,
to
note
the
vacancy
rate
for
this
entire
department,
that's
one
of
the
contributing,
as
is
the
big
end,
a
deputy
city
manager.
I
think
with
that.
Madam
chair
will
stand
for
questions
all
right.
Questions
on
the
mayor's
budget.
D
D
Is
that
what
you
said?
Yes,
okay
and
so
the
neighborhood
position
is
under
who's
budget.
Madam
chair
counselor,
which
position
are
you
referring
to
the
neighborhood?
Well,
it
has
multiple
names,
so
I'm
just
blanking
on
multiple.
Let's
see,
neighborhood
engagement,
coordinator
senior
advisor
madam
chair
that
position.
I
Madam
chair
counselor,
the
duties
of
the
person
filling
the
role
of
the
neighborhood
engagement
coordinator
and
senior
advisor
to
the
mayor
are
split,
and
so
the
city
clerk
oversees
the
neighborhood
engagement
portion
of
the
person's
portfolio
and
I
oversee
the
special
advisor
portion
of
that
person's
portfolio.
So
there
are
two
advisors,
contributing
or
two
supervisors
contributing
to
that.
Staffer.
B
I
was
just
wondering
what
it
says:
81
thousand
dollar
in
dues.
Do
we
know
what
those
dues
are.
F
Madam
chair
counts:
councillor
rivera
those
dues
are
for
professional
organizations
that
the
mayor
is
subscribes
to,
for
example,
I
I'm
sorry
it's
escaping
the
mayor's.
K
Support
we
get
is
through
the
uscm,
we
pay
a
membership
fee,
and
that
gives
us
access
to
briefings
from
mayors
all
over
the
country
from
the
white
house,
access
to
policy
papers
that
they've
developed
and
before
covid
hit
occasional
trips
to
uscm
gatherings
of
mayors,
those
the
last
one
was
in
it
was
in
dc.
K
I
did
not
go
because
it
was
still
high,
coveted
time,
so
it's
mostly
a
remote
zoom
relationship
with
mayors
and
staffers
from
the
u.s
conference,
who
do
things
like
offer
advice
on
what
cities
around
the
country
are
doing
to
deal
with
covid
or
expand
their
services
to
low-income
neighborhoods
or
offer
economic
development
strategies
that
we
could
learn
from.
D
L
Madam
chair
counselor,
I
I
apologize.
Could
you
clarify
the
question
a
bit?
I
might
kind
of
put
it
out
there
a
little
bit.
D
Oh,
I
was,
I
was
trying
to
remember
what
was
under
other
operating
costs,
because
our
under
under
our
for
the
city
council
under
operating
costs,
are
kind
of
our
expense
costs
and
supplies.
Maybe
no,
maybe
not.
Okay,
it's
just
the
same
number.
Can
you
remind
us
what
other
operating
costs
are
and
why
they're
so
high
for
the
mayor's
office
compared
to
council,
the
council.
L
Madam
chair
councillor,
villarreal
in
the
case
of
the
mayor's
office,
the
majority
of
that
is
for
service
of
services
of
other
departments,
that
is,
services
provided
by
fleet
and
I.t.
They
actually
pay
for
both
the
mayor
and
the
council
costs
in
that
area.
I
believe,
in
the
majority
of
that
is
for
communications
costs
for
city
issued
tablets,
mobile
phones
and
computers
used
by
the
mayor's
office
and
the
city
council.
L
Chair
councillor
villarreal
again,
that
is,
for
the
entire
mayor
and
council
division
that
so
that
includes
both
the
mayor
and
the
council.
D
L
Madam
chair
counselor,
the
issue
there.
The
reason
it
is
set
up
that
way
is
that
technically,
under
the
city
organization,
the
mayor.
N
L
Are
considered
a
single
division
department
charges
are
made
on
a
division
level,
so
it
gets
very
complicated
if
we're
trying
to
split
out
within
a
division
charges
for
this
piece
versus
that
piece.
L
N
L
Fact
invented
them,
so
if
you
want
to,
if
you
don't
like
the
way
they're
done,
I'm
the
person
to
yell
at
I
guess.
D
Well,
whatever
is
easier,
I
just
it
doesn't
it's
a
little
bit
doesn't
seem
accurate.
Then
the
budget
doesn't
seem
accurate
if
all
of
our
stuff
is
under
the
mayor's
office
versus
the
other
operating
costs
being
in
the
city
council.
I'm
just
making
a
note
because
then
the
budget
is
skewed
and
then
we're
saying
like
the
budget
is
decreased,
but
it
actually
isn't
because
that
amount
that
251
222
is
part
of
us.
F
F
And
make
sure
it
is
accurately
reflected
going
forward
also
to
reflect
prior
years
as
well.
So
there
is
a
clean
accounting
when
we
come
to
this
point
in
the
I'm.
D
F
Well,
andy
will
definitely
take
that
into
consideration.
Madame
chambers,
like
no
thank
you,
but
I
think
it
would
help
to
just
get
the
total
budget.
That's
great,
we'll
definitely
be
able
to
display
and
represent
that
accordingly
in
the
future.
Madam
chair,
we
stand
for
any
other
questions.
Yes,.
A
Is
going
to
say,
are
there
other
questions?
Are
we
ready
to
vote
on
the
motion?
H
M
A
Yes,
council
romero
work;
yes,
okay,
it's
a
little
bit
after
four
we'll
go
back
to
the
community
engagement
budget
and
I
think
we
need
to
postpone
and
counselor
lindell.
You
have
your
hand
up
yeah,
I'm
going
to
make
a
motion.
H
To
postpone
the
community
engagement
budget
chair:
do
you
want
that
to
time
certain
I
let
let's
try
for
tomorrow
I'll
make
a
motion
to
postpone
the
community
engagement
budget
until
tomorrow
april.
A
14Th
and
hopefully
we
can
get
the
information
that
the
committee
has
requested
on
that
budget
and
we'll
then
see
where
we
are
at
that
point.
All
right
is
there
a
second.
A
We'll
take
it
up
at
the
end,
we'll
do
everything
else
I
mean
we
could
postpone
it
indefinitely
or
we
could
take
it
up
whenever
we
want
to.
We
could
put
it
to
the
table
and
pull
it
up.
I
I
just
I'm
just
trying
to
give
some
forewarning
of
hey.
Let's
get
the
information.
The
committee
needs
to
take
action.
A
A
If
we
can
squeeze
it
in
tomorrow,
I'd
rather
do
it,
then,
but
if
we
can't,
if
we
run-
and
we
have,
we
don't
have
a
meeting
running
up
against
the
end
of
the
budget
hearing
tomorrow.
So
if
we
go
a
little
bit
over
and
those
budgets,
don't
look
particularly
complicated
to
me,
but
we'll
just
have
to
see,
maybe
we'll
need
to
push
it
again.
A
D
Madam
chair
there
was,
I
did,
want
a
reconsideration
to
think
about
those
two
positions
as
potentially
one.
So
I
don't
know
if
that's
on
the
table
as
information
that
we're
seeking.
D
C
A
A
A
We
would
work
on
getting
that
information
and
some
justification
about
the
com
combining
those
two
positions:
counselor
woman
via
rail-
that
you
flagged
as
maybe
being
unnecessary
to
have
two
and
we'll
we'll
hear
more
about.
A
Why
or
why
not?
It
makes
sense
to
combine
or
leave
us
to
counselor
lindell,
your
hand
is
up.
A
Take
a
second
look.
Your
hand
is
down
all
right.
Thank
you.
All.
I
think
we've
we've
had
some
good
conversations.
We've
started
some
good
conversations,
clearly,
there's
more
information
that
will
help
inform
these
conversations.
We
will
try
to
work
on
that
overnight
and
we
will
see
you
all
in
less
than
an
hour
for
the
council
meeting
and
until
that.