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A
A
Councillor
vievra,
as
it
and
council
romero
worth
here,
we
have
a
quorum
terrific.
Thank
you.
We
will
next
move
to
approval
of
the
agenda.
Are
there
changes
to
the
agenda
from
staff.
A
We
have
a
motion
in
a
second
to
approve
the
agenda.
Can
we
get
a
roll
call?
Oh,
do
we
don't
need
a
re?
Do
we
need
a
roll
call
anymore?
We
can
it's
a
voice
vote
now
right
because
we're
in
person-
I
guess
so
sorry
we're
all
gonna
have
to
get
used
to
this.
All
those
in
favor,
aye
aye.
Anyone
opposed
all
right.
The
agenda
is
a
oh,
no
yeah.
The
agenda's
approved.
Now
we
go
on
to
the
consent
agenda.
Are
there
items?
The
committee
would
like
to
hear
tonight,
councilwoman
cassette.
A
V
h
and
I
all
right
other
items-
counselor
len
mill
well.
C
A
H
Madam
chair,
yes,
I
have
a
few
items,
yes
or
just
questions
on
item
a
also
item.
H
C
and
item
I
okay.
A
And
I
counselor
lindell.
A
A
Yes,
okay.
Is
there
a
motion.
A
I
A
Okay,
all
those
in
favor
of
approving
the
may
2nd
minutes,
aye
aye
anyone
opposed
all
right,
those
passed
now
we
are
on.
We
have
two
presentations
tonight,
the
first
one,
the
potential
benefits
and
limitations
of
establishing
a
metropolitan
redevelopment
area
project
and
plans
reading
from
the
powerpoint,
and
we
have
city
attorney
mccherry
and
her
team
with
us
tonight.
J
Sure
thing
thank
you,
councilwoman
romero
worth
and
members
of
the
committee
marcos
is
actually
going
to
give
moses
presentation.
He
and
andrea
salazar
have
been
giving
it.
They
gave
it
to
edac
last
week
and
she's
not
feeling
well
this
evening,
but
I'm
happy
to
be
here
to
help
support,
marcus
and
answer
any
questions
the
committee
may
have,
but
I'll
turn
it
over
to
marcos.
Thank
you.
K
Thank
you,
madam
chair
I'll,
just
proceed
and
try
to
make
this
presentation
as
brief
as
possible,
but
also
answering
any
questions.
You
may
have
why
metropolitan
redevelopment
for
midtown
a
very
basic
level
resolution
2022-12
directed
the
city
manager
to
make
recommendations
to
the
governing
body
regarding
the
use
of
an
mra
and
or
tid
for
the
midtown
district.
K
This
presentation
summarizes
our
recommendations
regarding
the
use
of
an
mra.
What
is
a
metropolitan
redevelopment
area?
The
metropolitan
redevelopment
act
is
a
state
statute
that
allows
municipality
to
access
certain
redevelopment
tools
in
an
area
that
is
designated
as
a
blighted
area
and
what
are
the
mra
redevelopment
tools?
K
So
there
are
state
law
requirements
that
I'd
like
to
go
over
to
with
respect
to
an
mra.
First,
the
governing
body
would
have
to
pass
a
resolution
identifying
a
blighted
area
in
the
local.
K
K
K
We
also
recommend
removing
internal
references
that
no
longer
point
to
existing
city
code
and
add
composition,
recommendations
for
the
commission,
such
as
qualifications
that
the
governing
body
might
be
interested
in,
seeing
a
commission
possessed
now
stepping
back
we'd,
also
like
to
staff.
I'd
also
like
to
point
out
that
the
city
has
employed
mra
once
with
the
rail
yard
and
so
just
very
brief
history.
The
area
was
designated
as
an
mra.
A
community
plan
was
created,
the
community.
I
K
K
G
K
K
N
K
Bifurcated
the
ownership
of
the
buildings
in
the
ground
and
that
ownership
bifurcation
complicated
some
property
tax
issues
and
finally,
the
city's
regulatory
authority
has
been
complicated.
As
this
committee
knows,
we
did
also
look
at
what
other
cities
have
done.
Albuquerque
is
probably
the
most
prominent
entity
using
mras
and
it
uses
them
quite
prolifically.
K
The
metropolitan
redevelopment
agency
is
located
within
the
city
government.
It
is
sort
of
a
functioning
agency
that
doesn't
just
exist
on
the
books,
as
it
does
in
santa
fe,
because
again,
the
city
transferred
those
developments
and
oversight
activities
to
the
nonprofit,
and
then
one
example
that
we
think
this
committee
may
be
familiar
with
is
the
sawmill
area
mra.
N
K
K
K
It
establishes
a
governance
structure
within
city
control,
with
community
involvement.
Public
deportation
participation
is
built
into
the
process.
Again
there
are
public
hearings
required
with
the
relevant
resolutions
that
are
required
to
adopt
a
plan
well,
first
of
all
to
designate
the
area
itself
to
adopt
a
plan
and
to
amend
a
plan
all
require
additional
public
process
publication
of
the
paper
and
opportunities
for
the
public
to
be
heard
and
commissioned.
K
K
There
are
limitations
to
an
mri
designation,
there's
an
additional
layer
of
approval.
K
Because
there
would
be
a
commission
that
this,
the
governing
body
would
create
to
oversee
the
midtown
and
whatever
the
area
ultimately
designated
by
the
governing
body
would
be.
The
commission
would
likely
require
staff
support.
The
commission
has
limited
authority
on
temporary
leases
so
up
to
a
year
and
the
commission
doesn't
have
bonding
or
borrowing
and
lending
power.
Those
might
also
be
pros
so
then,
just
to
give
you
a
visual
visualization
of
where
we
might
recommend
an
mra
designation,
be
there
are
two
sort
of
colors.
K
For
you
and
the
yellow
map,
the
yellow
outline
represents
the
link
overlay.
This
is
a
sort
of
an
overlay
that
the
governing
body
has
already
recognized
through
a
zoning
overlay
and
many
of
the
purposes
behind
the
link.
Overlay
double
dovetail
very
nicely
with
what
app
would
recommend
with
a
metropolitan
redevelopment
area.
K
K
Area
as
having
certain
elements
that
it
recognized
economically
depressed
activity,
some
demographic
elements,
income
levels
and
therefore
the
federal
government
designated
this
census
tract
as
an
area
in
which
investors
could
use
for
opportunity
zones-
and
I
think
rich
brown
has
spoken
about
that
in
the
past.
But.
K
Another
way
to
view
the
area
would
also
to
include
the
census
tract
directly
to
the
north
of
the
turquoise
census
tract,
which
is
also
an
opportunity
zone,
and
so
it
also
satisfies
those
same
demographic
and
economic
depressive
issues
that
I
mentioned.
E
Does
I
think
you
did
this
with
your
maps,
but
what,
whichever
you
decide
to
do,
whether
it's
the
link
or
whether
it's
it's
the
green
line
on
the
other
map
that
entire
area
is
considered,
blighted
then
or
a
blighted
community
or.
K
Blighted
area,
so
the
designation
would
be
considered
a
blighted
area
and
the
reason
we
showed
the
blink
overlay
was
because
that
was
an
area
that
the
governing
bodies
are
already
identified
as
one
that
one
where
the
governing
body
wanted
to
promote
the
economic
activity
in
that
area.
With
an
overlay.
K
K
So
forgive
me
counselor.
Could
you
repeat
your
question.
E
Do
we
have
to
set
it
up
with
the
same
structure
that
we
did
rail
yard,
or
can
we
do
do
we
have
other
options?
Yes,
so.
E
K
Yes,
and-
and
this
was
a
at
a
high
level
of
generalization,
but
what
I
will
say
specifically
about
the
campus
is:
there
has
been
at
least
one
or
two
phase,
one
environmental
assessments
done
on
the
campus,
and
there
are
certain
areas
that
we
think
would
then
be
eligible
for
potentially
brownfield
remediation
funding
or
other
state-based
funding
opportunities
for
remediating,
the
environmental
quality
of
either
the
soils
or
the
water
under
ground
water.
If
it
was
found
also
to
be
contaminated.
So.
D
K
K
D
K
I
guess
I
mean
I,
I
would
say
that
one
of
the
drawbacks
possibly
would
be
some
of
the
negative
connotations
with
that
terminology,
but
it's
a
statutory
term
of
art.
There
are
actually
two
types
of
designations
that
a
local
government
can
make
under
the
statute.
The
first
would
be
a
slum
area.
It
has
different
elements
that
we
do
not
think
are
present
in
the
midtown
area
and
then
blighted
area
represents
more
of
a
economic.
L
E
K
Rivera
that
is
a
that's,
probably
a
difficult
question
to
ask.
I
mean
to
answer
I'm
sorry
so
easy
to
ask
it's
difficult
to
answer,
but
I
would
answer
part
part
of
it
in
in
this
way.
K
The
the
census
overlays
have
already
existed
for
several
years,
and
I
a
couple
of
years
I
think
they
were
designated
in
2019
and
I
don't
think
that
there
was
the
kind
of
pushback
on
homeowner
ownership,
values
or
private
residential
values
or
commercial
activities
that
caused
it
to
have
sort
of
a
negative
effect
on
on
their
commercial
activities.
If
anything,.
N
K
K
The
example
of
the
census
designations
of
opportunity
zones
we're
not
aware
of
any
negative
impacts
from
that
designation.
If,
if
the
light.
K
M
K
K
The
turquoise
overlay,
as
you
see,
didn't,
draw
the
distinction
between
commercial
and
residential
areas.
The
link
overlay
did
attempt
to
draw
that
distinction,
and
so
you
can
see
how
designating
the
area
itself
will
be.
I
think
important
for
this
for
this
committee
and
the
governing
body
to
to
consider
as
they
determine
what
would
be
the
appropriate
area.
K
I
guess
the
last
point
I
would
make
on
that
is
that
in
this
process,
when
the
governing
body
designates,
if
the
governing
body
were
to
designate
a
metropolitan
redevelopment
area,
there
is
a
process.
A
statutory
process
whereby
persons
who
are
in
the
proposed
area
of
designation
can
come
and
speak
about
that
and
there's
even
a
court
process
whereby
they
can
ask
to
be
taken
out
of
the
area.
H
Well,
councilwoman
villarreal.
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
Thank
you
staff
for
your
presentation.
I
just
had
a
couple
questions
related
to
an
mra,
so
albuquerque
has
one
it's
within
the
city
government,
and
so
the
staff
makes
decisions
for
mria.
H
H
K
It's
more,
like
a
you,
know,
a
division
or
department
within
albuquerque's
government
structure
so
and
it's
somewhat
set
up
that
way,
at
least
under
our
ordinances.
Similarly,
whereby
the
agency
is
the
responsible
body
for
making
recommendations
to
the
governing
body
about
any
kind
of
plans
or
designations,
and
then
that
agency
acts
through
a
commission
which
is
appointed
by
the
mayor
and
under
the
statute
or
the
city
manager.
K
K
H
So
I'm
curious
if,
when
you
all
were
talking
about
the
sawmill
development,
are
we
talking
about
this
larger
area
now
that
just
got
redeveloped
with
the
shops
and
the
restaurants
et
cetera,
or
were
you
all
referencing
everything,
because
the
housing
is
actually
separate?
And
I'm
just
curious
if
you
know
anything
about
that,
like
the
the
difference.
K
Contributor
I'll
have
to
get
back
to
you
on
that.
I
think
andrea
was
had
more
discussions
with
staffers
of
the
commission
in
albuquerque,
but
I'd
be
very
happy
to
work
with
her
and
get
back
to
you
either
directly.
N
K
H
I
think
there
is
some
new
housing
development,
that's
included
in
this
larger
mra.
However,
they
have
a
component
that
was
a
community
land
trust
that's
separate,
and
I
just
want
us
to
understand
that
distinction,
because
an
mra
is
not
a
community
land
trust,
a
community
land
trust
is
actually
run
by
the
community
and
they
have
a
board
made
up
of
community
members
that
look
at
affordable
housing
and
they
keep
it
affordable.
H
You
know
in
planning
school
blighted
areas
are
abandoned
and
vacant
buildings,
substandard
areas,
vacant
excessive
vacant
land,
and
that's
not
that
neighborhood
or
anywhere
around
there
and
that's
my
neighborhood
that
I
grew
up
in
so
when
I
think
about
blighted,
I'm
like
wait,
that's
not
a
blighted
area
and
I
actually
I'm
hesitant
to
even
call
this
area
blighted
area
because
there's
people
that
live
there
and
it's
pretty
vibrant
there's
a
lot
of
it's.
H
I
just
want
to
remind
my
colleagues
opportunity
zones
came
about
during
the
trump
administration
and
there
was
never
really
a
clear
idea
of
like
how
they
would
utilize
these
zones
to
actually
support
the
existing
communities
and
neighborhoods,
and
so,
when
you're
talking
about
potential
for
investors
to
come
in
and
tax
benefits
for
them.
All
I
can
think
about
is
displacement
and
gentrification.
So
I
just.
I
also
want
us
to
understand
that
better,
because
I
don't
think
they
maybe
they've
redefined
it
with
this
new
administration,
but
during
the
trump
administration
it
was
very
clear.
H
It
was
kind
of
taking
a
different
route.
So
I
want
us
to
understand
that
better
as
we're
moving
forward
about
opportunity
zones
and
what
that
means
for
this
area
and
then
also
just
maybe
taking
out
the
community
component,
although
it
is
connected
to
midtown
so
yeah.
I
guess
I
just
want
to
understand
that
better
and
I
think.
K
Counselor,
I
don't
have
a
lot
more
information
on
the
anti-displacement
funding.
I
do
know
that
one
of
the
core
elements
of
the
of
this
statutory
scheme
is
to
it
is
that
the
plan
you
know
must
address
displacement,
so
it
is
a.
It
is
a
necessary
element
that
any
kind
of
redevelopment
that
is
proposed
here
not
cause
undue
hardship
and
that's
the
language
out
of
the
statute
to
any
persons
who
might
be
living
there.
So
I
I
appreciated
that
portion
of
the
plan.
I
thought
that
that
was.
J
Mccherry
you've
got
your
hand
up
so
to
speak.
Yes,
thank
you,
chairwoman,
romero
worth.
I
just
want
to
make
a
couple
points.
The
term
blight
absolutely
is
a
very
charged
word
and
I
think,
multiple
times,
while
we're
working
through
this
presentation,
we
were
cringing
ourselves
because
the
elements
that
are
required
are
just
one
or
more
of
the
ones
that
are
listed,
so
it
doesn't
have
to
have
deteriorated
or
deteriorating
structures
right.
It
just
has
to
have
one
of
these
bulleted
elements.
J
It
could
just
be
out
of
date
or
in
practical
planning,
and
that
would
qualify
that
which
results
in
low
level
of
commercial
or
industrial
activity.
So
I
think
it's
unfortunate
that
we're
essentially
forced
to
use
that
term,
because
that's
what
the
state
statute
uses
that,
I
think
that's
just
one
thing
to
keep
in
mind.
It
could
mean
something
different
in
different
contexts
and
then
on
the
maps.
I
think
the
outlines.
L
J
Through
other
constructs,
we
could
go
with
something
that
uses
pieces
of
each.
We
could
use
part
of
the
overlink
with
part
of
the
opportunity
zone
if
we
thought
something
made
more
sense,
that
was
between
those,
but
the
maps
just
show
what
already
exists.
So
you
can
kind
of
picture
that
and
see
what
the
other
constructs
have
already
established.
Certainly,
whoever
came
up
with
the
term
opportunity
zone
was
using
a
much
better
marketing
scheme
than
the
blighted
zone
right.
F
Thank
you,
councillor
cassette.
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
most
of
the
points
have
pretty
much
been
covered.
I
think
my
one
question
that's
still
hanging
has
to
do
with.
If
residential
zones
were
included
in
the
quote-unquote
blighted
area,
are
there
other
benefits?
I
hear
a
lot
of
discussion
about
commercial.
There
does
seem
to
be
some
of
this
anti-displacement
funding
that
we
do
need
to
get
some
more
information
on.
There's
discussion
of
grants
is
there?
F
K
Counselor
cassette,
I
would
begin
to
answer
that
question
by
saying
that,
as
we
talked
about
whether
an
mra
would
be
a
good
fit
for
this
area
or
other.
N
K
Statutory
mechanisms
like
kids,
what
we
discovered
was
that
they
work
they
complement
each
other,
in
other
words,
they're,
not
mutually
exclusive,
and
so
the
extent
that
a
designation
included
residential
areas.
It
would
also
then
still
be
eligible
for
tax
increment
development
districts,
other
types
of
financial
mechanisms
that
could
then
be
applied
to
all
of
the
areas
within
the
designation.
F
Thank
you.
So
it
sounds
like
infrastructure,
so
those
are
all
publicly
owned
right-of-ways
with
any
of
the
grants.
I
know
that
we
already,
we
already
do,
have
some
work
from
the
affordable
housing
trust
fund
for
helping
individuals
with
home
repairs
or
necessary
upgrades.
K
D
F
Okay,
thank
you.
I
think
that's
it.
I
also
am
really
interested
in
hearing
more
about
some
of
the
anti-displacement
funding
and
what
that
potentially
looked
like,
where
this
has
been
utilized
before,
so
whether
in
albuquerque
or
las
cruces,
or
if
we
even
have
an
example
from
the
rail
yard.
That
would
be,
I
think,
some
important
information.
I
know
that
this
is
something
that
is
a
large
concern
for
the
neighborhood
surrounding
the
town.
F
We
frequently
talk
about
hope,
oh
man,
but
also
a
lot
of
my
district
midtown
is
my
district,
but
a
lot
of
the
neighborhoods
surrounding
midtown,
and
my
district
also
have
some
of
those
concerns
of
how
the
midtown
development
could
impact
them.
So
I
would
really
love
some
more
information
on
what
that
looks
like
or
what
it
could
potentially
look
like.
C
Who
drew
the
map?
Do
we
come
up
with
that?.
C
Okay,
I
would
really,
of
course,
want
to
have
real
reasons
for
why
the
map
looks
the
way
that
it
does,
and,
secondly,
because
prime
gov
doesn't
allow
us
to
download
these.
Would
you
be
sure
that
the
entire
committee
is
emailed
this
presentation,
because
we
can't
download
it
and
hold
on
to
it.
D
H
C
K
Council,
remember
worth
I
mean
I'm.
I
don't
know
that
I
can
answer
that
question
and
I
think
counselor
rivera
asked
a
similar
question.
K
Maybe
what
maybe,
what
I
would
suggest
is
that
our
office
get
in
touch
with
albuquerque,
since
they've
been
using
these
so
much
more
frequently
than
than
we
have.
Perhaps
they
have
some
property.
K
K
That's
the
romero
worth
so.
The
statute
requires
that
there
be
first
publication
in
the
paper
that
this
happened
and
that
is,
that
would
be
separate
from
any
kind
of
open
meetings
act,
publication
that
would
be
required.
It
requires
a
public
hearing
at
the
meeting
where
the
governing
body
is
proposing
to
adopt
the
designation,
make
the
findings
of
necessity,
because
the
governing
body
needs
to
find
certain
elements
are
present
to
designate
the
area
and
then
to
designate
the
areas.
G
C
J
City
attorney
looks
like
she
wants
to
jump
in.
Thank
you,
chairman
romero.
The
main
thing
I
would
say
is
resolutions
generally
for
us.
Don't
require
public
hearing
at
all,
because
they're
not
changes
to
law,
but
certain
resolutions,
and
we
have
a
couple
other
examples
that
happen
on
a
regular
basis.
I
think
there's
one
related
to
affordable
housing,
certain
ones
related
to
federal
funding.
That
kind
of
thing
do
require
public
hearing.
So
we
often
just
add
that
you
know
that
element
to
our
process.
J
A
lot
of
the
other
resolutions
are
just
stating
the
position
of
the
governing
body
on
something.
This
is
more.
You
know
making
a
change
to
funding
eligibility
and
jurisdiction,
essentially
because
we'd
be
delegating
certain
jurisdiction
to
this
commission,
so
it
changes
something
for
the
public
more
than
just
the
position
of
the
governing
body,
which
is
probably
why
the
state
statute
requires
a
public
hearing.
J
A
Okay,
so
it's
not
like
it
has
to
be
held
in
a
particular
place
like
we
don't
have
to
do
the
public
hearing
in
the
area
where
it's
happening,
it's
just
it's
just
requiring
one
when
we
pass
it
here
in
this
chamber,
chairwoman
romero.
That's
correct!
Yes,
okay!
Sorry,
all
right,
any
other
questions
from
the
committee.
A
This
is
not
an
action
item
right.
This
is
just
presentation,
just
informational,
all
right.
Well,
thank
you!
Assistant
city
attorney,
marcos,
martinez,
really
appreciate
it
and
aaron.
Thank
you
for
being
here
as
well,
and
I
think
we
are
on
to
our
next
presentation,
which
is
an
audit
update.
D
We'll
be
meeting
with
the
state
auditor's
office
and
representatives
from
there,
as
well
as
members
of
the
new
mexico
department
of
finance
and
administration,
and
of
course
we
will
let
you
know
what
the
outcomes
are
from
that
meeting.
D
A
Because
so
there
I
think,
there's
been
some
confusion.
Can
we
just
be
clear
about
this,
so
we
had
cash
reconciliation
where
we
had
four
million
dollars
more
money
in
the
bank
than
we
had
on
our
ledgers.
We
have
found
everything
but
1.4
million.
A
D
O
D
D
D
D
D
O
D
The
second
area
of
concern
was
that
the
chart
of
accounts
was
just
too
extensive
and
complex.
It
was
recommended
that
we,
when
we
implement
the
new
immune
system,
we
reduce
funds.
Most
especially
funds
and
business
units
funds
were
reduced
from
711
funds
to
76,
and
approximately
2025
business
units
were
reduced
to
344
or
codes,
which
is
within
munis,
replace
the
business
unit.
D
Or
reconciliation
and
that
we
assigned
the
recommendation
was
that
we
assigned
highly
qualified
employees
to
perform
cash
reconciliations.
We
have
eight
bank
accounts
that
roll
into
a
higher
level.
D
G
B
D
Another
finding
was
that
the
city
does
not
have
an
appropriate
accounts,
receivable
procedures
in
place,
and
particularly
with
regard
to
receipt
of
cash.
Again,
it
was
recommended
that
we
adopt
those
when
we
implement
the
immune
system,
which
was
back
in
2019,
the
we
do
have
an
accounts
receivable
system
within
unis,
it's
active,
it
can
be
utilized.
However,
the
city
has
not
utilized
it
up
to
this
point
and
we
will
be
developing
processes
and
procedures
to
utilize
that
system.
D
One
thing
I
want
to
mention
is
that
we
have
a
number
of
point-of-sale
systems
throughout
the
entire
city,
for
example,
at
utilities
at
various
places
with
public
works.
Those
are
systems
outside
of
munis
those
need.
What
we
need
to
do
is
develop
procedures,
policies
and,
and
a
way
to
get
that
information,
at
least
in
total,
into
munis,
with
either
uploads
or
general
journal
entries.
D
D
D
Once
we
develop
the
system,
it
has
to
be
reviewed,
probably
initially
every
six
months
and
then
going
to
yearly
reviews
to
ensure
that
everything's
working
should
things
be
changed.
Should
it
be
adjusted
again
as
times
change,
so
should
the
internal
control
structure,
finding
number
six
was
that
the
accounting
system
currently
applies
essentially
automated
signatures
of
the
mayor
and
at
the
time,
the
finance
director,
but
there's
nothing
to
indicate
that
checks
that
have
been
signed
automatically
have
any
type
of
review
by
the
mayor
or
the
secondary
signature.
At
the
time
to
finance
director
signatures.
O
D
Review
maybe
x
over
a
thousand
dollars
or
worth
five
thousand
dollars,
and
they
can
request
backup
will
implement
a
procedure
whereby,
as
soon
as
they
request
that
backup
we
bring
it
to
them.
Essentially
the
mayor
and
the
city
manager
will
be
very
aware
of
what
checks
went
out
with
their
signatures.
D
O
D
D
D
D
D
D
D
Any
of
the
accounting
work
or
any
of
the
financial
work
and
that
it
be
free
from
any
interference
from
management
or
governing
body
that
was
cured.
So
auditors
primarily
interacted
more
recently
with
finance
director
assistant,
finance,
director,
chief
accounting
officer
and
any
relevant
staff
that
will
continue
and
might
be
even
more
open.
D
L
D
D
Purposes-
and
that
will
appear
there
was
a
essentially
a
segregation
of
duties.
Issue
is
what
I
would
call
it
between
the
accounting
department
and
the
budget
department
department.
At
that
time.
D
D
Implement
a
system
this
process
is
currently
in
review
by
the
accounting
department
and
more
training.
M
D
D
D
D
D
At
the
time,
several
employees
expressed
concerns
that
non-sufficient
checks
were
a
substantial
problem.
They
are
still
a
problem,
we're
not
retrieving
it.
So
if
we
have
a
bounce
check,
there
is
no
process
currently
in
place
to
go
after
that
money
and
to
have
a
good
collection
system
over
that.
That
is
another
thing
we're
reviewing
and
that
we
will
have
in
place.
This
is
something
that
is
easily
cured,
so
it
should
be
in
process
within
couple
three
months.
Maybe
a
quarter.
D
Accounting
data-
this
was
an
interesting
finding
from
my
perspective.
I
know
the
mccarth
firm
well,
and
I
want
to
have
a
discussion
with
him
about
this.
All
ever
since
we've
moved
to
erp
systems,
all
erp
systems
require
journal
entries
as
a
way
of
getting
information
in
and
out
of
the
system.
D
D
So
I'm
not
sure
that
this
can
be
cured,
because
it's
just
not
possible
to
get
certain
information
into
the
system
without
journal
engines.
Journal
entries
are
essentially
entries
that
don't
automate
through
the
system
they
aren't
created
by.
D
D
D
A
Thank
you.
I
always
forget
your
your
title.
I
think
it's,
the
interim
part
interim
assistant,
finance
director,
mr
bejarano.
That's
a
mouthful!
Thank
you
for
that
presentation.
I
just
want
to
quickly
let
the
committee
know
kind
of
where
we're
going
with
this,
so
the
mccard
report
we're
all
pretty
familiar
with.
I
think
it
still
represents
the
best
road
map
of
what
we
need
to
do
to
cure
and
right.
The
ship
cure
down,
mixing
metaphors
cure
the
problems
we
have
and
right
the
ship
overall.
A
At
our
next
meeting,
I'd
like
to
look
at
the
findings
and
around
grant
accounting
and
it'll
be
something
similar,
probably
a
similar
number
of
slides,
and
then
the
third
would
be
the
accounts
payable,
and
I
think
one
thing
is
as
we
look
to
diving
deeper
in
these
problems
and
making
sure
that
they're
making
progress
is.
This
will
be
helpful
to
us,
because
I
think
we
can
go
back
and
say
all
right.
A
How
are
they
coming
along
and
I
think
it
gives
us
a
pretty
good
understanding
of
what's
going
on
internally
and
what
has
happened,
what
is
being
worked
on
and
what
still
needs
to
happen
so
we'll
be
coming
back
to
this,
and
it
will
take
us
a
few
meetings
to
get
through
all
the
pieces
that
mccard
laid
out
and
where
we
are
in
that
process.
So
just
wanted
to
give
the
committee
a
little
bit
of
a
preview
of
coming
attractions.
Perhaps,
and
now
we
can
go
to
questions
from
the
committee
on
this
presentation.
F
Thank
you
very
much,
madam
chair,
and
thank
you
so
much
interim
assistant
director
background
you're
right.
That
is
quite
a
mouthful
for
the
presentation.
Can
we
please
have
this
one
email
to
us?
I
don't
have
it
on
primegov
and
in
the
future.
Can
we
get
these
in
advance,
because
this
is
some
pretty
meaty
material
that
I
think
would
be
really
helpful
to
have
a
preliminary
review
of
before
the
meeting.
I'm.
A
Sorry
counselor
cass,
that
that
was
the
last
thing
I
was
going
to
mention,
was
that
you
will
be
getting
this
in
your
email
box
and
sorry
we
didn't
get
it
to
you
before
great.
Thank
you.
F
I
just
had
a
couple
questions.
First
of
all
in
this,
I
think
it
was
17
issues
identified,
correct.
That's.
F
So
I
think
we
talked
about
this
at
one
of
our
previous
meetings
about
how
we
really
create
a
visual
roadmap.
That's
easy
for
those
of
us
who
are
not
living
this
every
single
day.
For
me,
I
think
it'd
be
great
to
actually
get
a
table.
That
kind
of
shows
where
we
are
so
that
we
can
continue
to
track
this
if
that's
possible.
I
would.
I
would
greatly
appreciate
that
I
think
I
find
that
very
helpful.
D
Be
a
the
proper
way
to
do
this,
or
to
have
done
this
is,
is
create
either
a
physical
or
a
digital
notebook,
showing
the
progress
finding
sheet
by
sheet
or
or
table
by
table
and
showing
the
progress
as
you
go.
The
other
thing
I
would
like
to
stress
is
that
this
is
not
a
one
and
done
process.
I've
said
that
before
so
this,
especially
these
issues
need
to
be
reviewed
constantly.
D
Q
F
Wonderful,
thank
you
yeah.
It
definitely
looks,
especially
some
of
them
really
call
out
to
me
as
an
iterative
process.
Some
seem
a
little
bit
more,
not
quite
one
and
done,
but
one
in
review
and
make
sure
it's
still
meeting
the
needs.
So
I
appreciate
that
and
that'll
be
good
for
us
to
continue
to
follow
up
on.
F
I
had
just
a
couple
question
on
some
of
these
and
and
when
I
actually
get
the
powerpoint,
I'm
able
to
read
it.
I
might
have
some
follow-up
as
well,
so
once
that
we
need
to
assign
a
highly
qualified
employee
for
cash
reconciliation
with-
and
it
sounds
like
that
would
just
be
one
position-
is
that
correct.
D
Knowledge
evidently,
we
had
a
couple
of
those
positions,
those
for
whatever
reason
at
certain
points
in
time
those
positions
went
away
and
there
was
nothing
to
fill
those
gaps
and
the
duties
either
were
assigned
to
to
those
to
other
individuals
who
didn't
follow
through
or
the
they
they
just
stopped,
and
primarily
it's
it's.
Reconciling
cash.
D
L
F
O
F
D
D
O
C
F
Okay,
great
thank
you,
and
then
you
had
mentioned
that
right
now
you
can
essentially
post
in
a
previous
fiscal
year
and
that
we're
going
to
be
doing
month
in
and
year
and
closes
and
those
will
be
hard
closes
it
would
there
be
an
override
ability
in
case
there
is
a
mistake
so
that
those
can
be
corrected.
Would
you
see
a
scenario
where
you
would
want
an
override
ability?
How
does
this?
F
D
D
D
D
D
Able
to
even
open
up
the
budget
for
23..
That's
another
reason
to
do
hard
closes
the
system.
Have
the
systems
have
some
built-in,
essentially
security
mechanisms,
that's
one
of
them,
leaving
prior
years
open
as
long
as
we've
left.
This
one
is
never
advisable
now
part
of
what
the
system
will
do.
When
you
close
your
system,
there
should
never
be
any
overrides.
I
think
systemically
it
might
be
possible
if
you
could
get
id
to
do
that.
That
would
that
needs
to
be
one
of
the
measures
that
it
just
shouldn't
ever
happen.
F
Right,
so
what
I'm
hearing,
though,
is
that
there
is.
There
is
a
mechanism
by
which
to
record
that
if
something
does
happen,
but
it
would
be
within
the
current
fiscal
year
or
the
current
month,
they
assume,
if
we're
doing
hard
month
end
closes
that
if.
F
Wonderful
well,
thank
you.
I
appreciate
you
going
into
detail
about
these
and
once
we
get
these
slides
and
I
read
up,
I
will
let
you
know
if
I
have
any
additional
questions.
Thank
you
so
much
thank.
D
A
Yeah
and
we,
we
can
definitely
go
back
to
this
presentation
as
we
move
forward
with
the
others,
and
if
the
committee
has
questions
after
they've
seen
the
slides
we'll
make
time
for
that.
Other
questions
from
the
committee
council
rivera.
I
E
D
Madam
chair
council,
rivera
that
I
have
to
look
into
and
get
back
to
you,
because
I
was
it's
more
institutional
knowledge
that
I
would
need.
However,
the
current
state
auditor
rule
requires
you
to
issue
requests
for
proposals.
After
three
years
of
the
same
auditor,
you
can
select
the
same
auditor,
but
you
still
have
to
issue
that
request
for
proposal.
D
D
Dentists
or
hairdressers
or
whatever,
and
it
is
more
difficult
to
go
with
first
year
of
the
audit,
having
been
on
that
side
of
things
and
with
firms
most
most
firms,
I
would
say
at
least
the
ones.
I've
worked
with
lose
money
the
first
year
because
you're
not
used
to
that
client
and
whatnot,
and
so
and
and
then
it
smooths
out
by
the
end
of
the
third
year
where
the
firms
are
actually
turning
a
profit.
It's
very
difficult,
especially
in
this
day
and
time,
to
go
into
a
firm
first.
D
Of
the
reasons
firms
like
to
continue
one
of
the
reasons,
though,
for
limiting
that
amount
of
time,
is
that
you
start
getting
cozy
relationships
between
staff
and
the
auditors
and
and
I'm
just
speaking
in
hypotheticals.
Here.
I
don't
know
that
that
was
what
was
going
on.
L
D
D
O
D
D
E
E
Direct,
so
you
take
somebody
a
check
and
they
run
it
through
a
system,
and
it
deals
with
it
immediately.
D
E
D
J
D
O
A
Thank
you
answer.
Other
questions,
counselor
lindell.
C
Thank
you.
I
think
it
would
be
really
helpful
if
everyone
would
receive
a
copy
of
the
the
card
report
again
so
that
it
could
be
reviewed.
I
have
a
copy
of
it
from
september
2017.
C
In
finance
right
now
we're
here
then
or
somewhere,
but
not
very
many,
but
I
think
it's
important
to
get
some
context
on
this
and
for
all
of
us
to
the
copy
that
I
have
is
37
pages
long.
So
I
don't
remember
because
I
haven't
read
it
in
quite
a
long
time,
but
it
seems
like
there
were
there
70
some
issues.
A
So
while
you
do
that
again,
all
we
did
for
tonight
was
take
a
chunk
for
presentation
and
we'll
be
hearing
two
more
areas
in
the
coming
meetings.
I
have
a
hard
copy
of
the
mccard
report.
You
are
right,
it's
37
pages
and
we'll
we
did
not
cover
all
of
it
in
this
18
slide
presentation,
so
we'll
be
coming
back
in
the
next
meeting
and
the
meeting
after
that,
if
that's
helpful,.
D
Madam
chair
council
endeavor,
no,
I
I
think
the
only
copy
I
have
is
hard
as
well.
C
Well,
I'm
just
saying
my
point
is:
is
that
there
were
a
lot
of
findings
on
this
I
mean
the
one
I'm
looking
at
number
52
right
now,
so
I
don't
think
I'm
so
far
off
with
saying
that
they're
70.,
but
anyway,
that's.
My
point
is
to
try
to
get
a
time
frame
on
this,
and
I
think
that
everybody
on
the
council
probably
should
get
a
copy
of
the
reports.
I
think
it's
been
a
long
time
since
those
have
been
distributed.
A
A
A
All
right,
we'll
start
with
item
a
which
is
an
ordinance
relating
to
the
city
of
santa
fe,
uniform
traffic
ordinance,
creating
a
new
section
5
of
schedule
b
of
the
uto
to
create
the
low-income
financial
equity
parking
program,
and
we
have
our
parking
division
director
here
tonight.
To
answer
questions
I
think
we
have
two
counselors
that
pulled
this
if
I'm
correct
councillor
lindell
councilwoman
vrl,
so
I
don't
know
who
wants
to
jump
in
councilwoman
vrl.
You
want
to
go
ahead.
H
Sir,
thank
you,
madam
chair
good,
to
see
you
director,
correa,
and
I
want
to
thank
the
sponsors
for
putting
this
forward,
I'm
in
support
of
the
life
program
or
as
you're
calling
the
life
program.
I
think
it's
important
it's
just,
even
though
it
didn't
really
address
this
directly.
There
are
instances
where,
when
you
make
adjustments
like
this,
people
tend
to
pay
their
fees.
H
If
they're,
given
opportunities
for
adjustments
and
making
those
adjustments
based
on
income,
I
just
had
a
couple
questions
just
to
make
sure
the
information
we
have
is
complete,
one,
I'm
looking
at
the
revenue
narrative
and
the
fir,
and
it
talks
about
this
being
a
new
program
and
how
many
people
would
qualify
potentially-
and
I
was
just
curious
director
korea,
if
you
could
tell
us
how
you
came
up
about
the
11
you
said,
staff
anticipates
that
11
of
those
with
tests
do
balances
both
would
qualify
for
the
life,
would
qualify
for
the
life
program
and
would
seek
to
enter
into
an
agreement.
H
So
I'm
just
curious
how
you
came
up
with
that,
because
it
sounded
kind
of
low.
I
actually
thought
more
people
would
potentially
qualify,
but
maybe
you
could
tell
us
a
little
bit
more
about
that.
P
Chair
and
counselor,
via
the
the
eleven
percent
I
came
up
with,
is
a
very
conservative
estimate
or
guesstimate,
and
the
reason
for
that
is,
we
do
not
have
any
prior
data
to
show
us
as
to
what
that
participation
would
will
be.
So.
For
that
reason
we
just
have
a
little
on
the
lower
side.
However,
that
doesn't
mean
that
only
11
would
participate.
H
Let's
get
to
hear
how
would
you
actually
market
this
to
people?
That
is,
that
people
that
you
have
identified
as
potentially
in
in
debt
right
now
or
how
would
you
would
your
staff
recommend
it
or
what's
kind
of
the?
I
guess,
I'm
curious
what
how
you
would
structure
it
so
that
people
are
aware
of
it.
P
A
medium
chair
council
via
real
there
are
several
ways
we
plan
on
marketing.
First,
one
would
be
putting
it
on
our
website
when
the
program
starts
once
approved
by
the
governing
board,
and
then,
of
course,
we
are
definitely
going
to
go
through.
P
The
pio
has
some
press
releases
and
finally,
we
do
not
want
to
get
into
a
situation
where,
even
though
we
know
who
these
individuals
are,
it
takes
a
long
time
to
get
their
addresses
information
to
mail
them
notices
from
the
mvd,
and
I
don't
think
we
have
the
staff
to
go
through
that.
So
sending
notices
to
each
and
every
person
who
has
unpaid
citations,
not
necessarily
who
qualifies
for
life,
would
be
a
major
undertaking
that
I
don't
believe
we
need
to,
and
I
don't
think
it
would
really
produce
any
greater.
P
H
If
someone
called
and
talked
to
a
staff
and
wanted
to
know
their
options,
say
they
couldn't
pay
or
they
were
already
underwater
to
pay,
can
do
you
guys?
Do
you
all
talk
to
folks
like
that?
They
call
in
and
ask
questions
about
that.
P
Yes,
absolutely
so
when
they
do
call-
and
we
do
get
calls
and
emails,
then
this
is
something
that
we
will
automatically
pass
on
to
them
and
then
currently
we
do
advise
them
or
guide
them
about
the
appeal
system
that
we
have
in
place.
What
the
time
frames
are
for
them
to
qualify
for
the
appeals,
and
so
we
do
pass
that
information
on.
H
I
think
that
there'll
need
to
be
more
staff
interaction
with
this
because
putting
it
on
a
website.
People
don't
look
at
our
website
and
it's
very
hard
to
navigate
to
pio.
Press
release
is
very
limited
as
to
who
it
goes
to,
and
it's
probably
not
going
to
target
the
people
that
need
to
know
about
this.
So
I
guess
I'm
wondering
if
there's
another
kind
of
outreach
level
that
you
all
could
do
with
groups
like
lifelink
or
or
others
that
actually
know
about
folks
that
are
struggling
with
you
know,
parking
citations
or
whatever
they're
experiencing.
H
So
I
guess
I
just
want
us
to
be
more
proactive
about
that,
because
this
this
way
that
you're
describing
about
letting
people
know
it's
not
going
to
reach
the
people
that
need
to
know
about
it
and
from
what
I
heard
it's
sometimes
hard
to
get
ahold
of
you
all
and
to
like
actually
talk
to
a
live
person
when
there
is
problems
with
citations,
so
yeah.
H
So
the
other
thing
I
was
wondering
is:
if
maybe
you
could
provide
computers
driving
me
crazy,
okay,
so
there's
a
total
unpaid
citation
amounts
that
you
provided
us
by
fiscal
year,
which
was
helpful,
and
I
don't
know
if,
maybe
later,
you
could
actually
dissect
that
even
further
and
tell
us
how
many
of
those
unpaid
citations
are
actually
like,
how
many
individuals
that
is
because
right
now
we're
just
showing
amounts.
H
It
would
be
good
to
just
see
like
what
how
many
people
do
these
amounts
equate
to,
so
that
we
get
a
better
idea
of
like
who's
the
number
of
citations
that
are
that
are
unpaid
at
the
moment
based
on
that
amount.
So
I
don't
know
if
you
have
that
data,
but
I'd
love
to
see
that
just
to
get
an
idea
of
individuals
or
yeah.
H
So
I
think
that
would
be
helpful
and
then
last
I
just
wanted
to
note
that
for
the
fir
right
now
it
says
there's
no
expenditures
or
not
available,
and
I
actually
think
there
will
be
until
it
starts
balancing
out.
So
there
will
actually
be
maybe
a
and
we,
I
think
it
would
be
helpful
to
have
the
narrative
show
that
once
we
start
implementing
this,
we
won't
see
this
start.
H
What
is
the
word
not
balancing
out,
but
that
we
start
seeing
people
utilizing
this
so
that
pay
that
fees
start
getting
paid
or
citations
get
paid.
But
what
I
want
to
see
is
like
right
now.
It
just
shows
revenue
and
there's
definitely
a
expenditure
piece
to
this
and
I'm
okay,
if
it
doesn't
balance
out,
because
I
think
it
will
eventually
but
at
first
the
first
few
years
we're
not
going
to
see
that
complete
shift.
H
So
I
don't
know
if
there's
a
way
to
show
that
in
some
way,
because
right
now,
it
just
says
no
expenditures,
but
they
the
expenditures,
would
be
loss
of.
At
the
beginning
of
you,
like
loss
of
revenue
which
were
already
exit
with
it's
already
existing
now.
But
I
guess
I
just
wanted
to
see
if
there's
a
way
to
show
that
there's
lots
of
revenue,
but
then
it
starts
equalizing
as
the
years
go
by
and
then
we
actually
get
these
revenue
sources
that
you're
talking
about.
H
I
don't
know
if
that
makes
sense,
I'm
just
trying
to
understand
it.
I
don't.
I
don't
think
it
will
see
it
balance
that
right
away,
but
I
guess
I
just
wanted
to
understand
if
there
was
a
way
to
show
that
the
outstanding
fees
that
we
still
have
that
they're
they're
actually
in
the
later
years,
we're
seeing
that
revenue
come
in.
P
Madam
chair
council,
via
real
the
these
citations
that
are
pending
or
have
not
been
paid
past
due
over
five
years,
the
potential
of
recovering
that
money
is
nil.
However,
this
life
program
is
going.
O
P
Where
these
revenues
could
start
coming
in,
because
there's
an
incentive
for
people
to
get
it
off
their
record
and
pay
at
a
reduced
rate,
the
difficulty
in
getting
to
a
point
at
this
start
of
the
game
as
to
how
many
may
pay
how
much
revenue
is
going
to
come
in
and
compare
that
to
the
fact
that
right
now
as
it
stands,
there's
zero
amount
coming
in
all
will
come
in
is
is
is
the
best
that
I
can
do.
P
We
are
in
the
process
of
filling
all
the
vacancies
that
we
had
that
were
due
to
colgate
related
budget
cuts.
What
have
you
we
will
be
fully
staffed
by
the
time
this
program
is
implemented
and
we
will
have
staff
who
will
be
processing
these
applications
as
they
come
in
just
like
we
currently
process
all
the
administrative
appeals
that
come
in
that
people
contest
or
appeal
excitation.
A
C
P
Madam
chair
and
council
window
the
current
software
that
we
have
that
keeps
track
of
every
citation
that
is
issued
every
citation
that
is
appeal
every
result
of
the
appeal
how
many
of
those
citations
are
paid
at
the
original
final
amount,
how
many
are
paid
at
those
at
the
original
plus
penalty
level?
All
of
that
information
is
tracked
accurately
and
once
it's
entered
into
the
system,
it
cannot
be
modified,
deleted,
changed
or
whatever
those
results
are
permanent.
C
C
Okay
so
say
I
get
a
parking
ticket
and
I
qualify
for
this
program.
I
have
15
days
to
pay
my
parking
ticket
correct.
Yes,
so
within
that
15
days
I
need
to
contact
the
parking
office
and
I
need
to
fill
out
the
paperwork
and
get
qualified.
If
I
don't
do
that
within
15
days,
I
still
owe
the
full
amount
of
that
ticket
correct.
P
Yes,
then,
no
correct
with
respect
to
you
still
owe
the
full
35
initial
dollars
that
you
got.
This
program
is
more
customized
designed
for
those
individuals
who
have
not
paid
their
citations
over
a
period
of
years,
and
they
have
penalties
accrued
that
they
are
giving
them
an
opportunity.
So
we
this
program
will
not
reduce
a
fine
amount
that
is
in
place
in
the
uniform
traffic
ordinance
by
ordinance,
so
the
35
dollars
is
not
going
to
be
discounted
by
50
when
you
first
receive
a
citation.
P
C
C
P
Medical
care,
counselor
lindell,
the
program
I
had
referenced
earlier
keeps
track
of
every
citation
issued
to
a
vehicle
the
license
plate,
not
an
individual
per
se.
Most
people
who
are
on
this
list
either
still
own
the
cars
that
they
accumulated.
The
citations
on
or
have
sold.
O
P
P
So
the
next
time
the
person
comes
up,
we
just
plug
in
the
license
plate
and
all
their
name
and
address,
and
we
get
their
whole
history
as
to
who
has
participated
in
this
program,
how
many
times
and
if
they
have
another
opportunity
to
participate
again.
So
the
program
tracks
all
this
automatically
by
license
plate.
C
So
let
me
try
to
clarify
my
concern
here,
so
I
have
10
parking
tickets
that
I
haven't
paid
in
a
very
very
long
time
and
I
hear
about
this
program
and
I
apply
for
it
and
I'm
able
to
I
I'm
told
I
do
qualify
and
that
I
can
pay
50
of
my
outstanding
fines.
Correct.
P
L
P
The
fine
amounts
that
already
established
in
the
uniform
traffic
ordinance
if
this
one
citation
in
this
example
had
received
penalties,
which
is
you
know,
doubling
of
the
original
fine
amount
for
the
first
penalty
and
a
third
of
the
amount
for
the
second
penalty.
Then,
yes,
the
individual
would
benefit
and
get
the
25.
G
C
I'm
not
sure
that
I'm
all
in
on
that,
I
only
get
to
use
it
twice
in
a
five
year,
rolling
time
frame.
I'm
also
concerned
about
the
amount
of
staff
time
that
it's
going
to
take
to
implement
this
program,
but
those
are
my
questions.
So
thank
you.
E
So
you
said,
the
initial
ticket
was
35,
just
an
example,
and
you
had
15
days
to
pay
it
after
that
15
days.
What
happens?
Is
it
double?
Does
it.
P
Madam
chair
and
council
repair,
the
first
penalty
is
doubling
of
the
original
fine
amount.
So
when
that
happens,
the
35
will
go
up
to
70.
P
P
E
P
J
P
E
And
then
what
you
said
you
know
if
they
pay
this
or
qualify
for.
P
E
P
Well,
it's
a
combination
of
both
when
you
write
when
we
issue
a
citation,
we
only
get
the
license
plate
of
the
vehicle
that's
bought
illegally.
We
submit
the
license
plate
to
the
mvd
to
get
the
registered
owner's
information,
so
we
do
need
to
have
this
relationship
with
the
mvd
to
get
the
information
of
the
registers.
Do
you.
P
E
P
P
That
is
correct.
The
state
is
definitely
not
interested
in
cities,
parking
violation,
programs,
great.
E
Unpaid
parking
citations
do
we
know
what
that
amount
is
by
one
individual
and
you
don't
have
to
name
them
just.
P
O
E
Kind
of
community
service
or
something
in
lieu
of
can't
pay
the
35.
I
doubt
you're
gonna
pay
half
of
the
430,
even
if
the
program's
available
to
you
was
there
any
thought
put
into
doing
community
service
or
something
extra
instead
of
trying
to
come
up
with
a
monetary
amount
that
you
can
pay
initially.
E
Councilwoman
lindell
that
I
think
this
is
going
to
be
a
nightmare
to
try
to
track
the
initial
one
will
probably
be
fine,
but
after
that,
the
25
and
how
it
moves
after
that,
I
think,
might
be
a
little
bit
of
a
challenge.
But
overall,
I
think
it's
a
good
program.
I.
P
G
E
All
right,
I
think,
that's
all
I
have
for
now,
madam
chair.
Thank
you.
A
O
A
P
A
And
in
terms
of
the
tracking,
so
you
you
have
something:
that's
keeping
track
of
people's
tickets
and
what
they've
paid
so
when
they
participate
in
this
program
and
they
get
the
half
off
of
what
they've
owed
that'll
be
reflected
in
the
in
your
program
so
that
if
they
were
to
come
back
three
parking
tickets
later
you'd
be
able
to
see
they
paid
half.
They
got
three
more
tickets,
they're
still
in
the
five
years,
so
they're
now
eligible
for
the
next,
the
the
lesser
amount
and
you'd
be
able
to
see
that
they'd
already
participated.
P
A
And
do
you
see
this?
As
you
know,
I
mean
we
are
going
to
collect
money
that
we
might
not
otherwise
have
collected,
because
we
are
allowing
some
mercy
for
people
who
have
accumulated
what
you
said
was
the
average
something
like
four
hundred
dollars
in
in
fines,
parking
fines.
P
Yes,
so
they
would
end
up
the
first
time
they
would
end
up
paying
only
200.
If
400
was
the
example,
we
take
that's
50
percent
and
that
would
bring
them
back
to
zero
and
not
have
any
kind
of
a
past
history
showing
unpaid
citations.
H
Councilwoman
villarreal,
thank
you
just
to
follow
up.
So
how
do
you
let
folks
know
when
they
have
outstanding
balances.
P
Currently,
oh
so
when
a
citation
is
issued
and
I'm
sorry,
medical
care
council
via
real
when
a
citation
is
issued,
an
automatic
notice
in
the
form
of
a
postcard
to
keep
our
postage
costs
down
is
sent
to
the
registered
owner's
address,
advising
them
that
they
have
received
the
citation
the
location
and
what
the
violation
was
and
what
defined
amount
is.
That's
the
first
notice,
if
you
don't
hear
from
them
within
those
15
days,
a
second
notice
is
sent
to
them,
advising
them
that
a
penalty
has
accrued
because
of
non-payment,
but
they
did
not
appeal.
P
H
So,
if
you're
able
to
identify
the
people
that
have
these
outstanding
balances
because
you're
sending
them
notices,
how
can
you
then
proactively
send
them
information
about
this
program,
because,
if
you're
sending
it
out
anyway,
wouldn't
it
make
sense
to
actually
tell
them
like
we
have
this
program?
If
you
qualify,
I
mean
I'm
just
trying
to
figure
out
a
way
that
the
folks
that
need
to
hear
about
this,
especially
the
ones
that
you're
sending
multiple
notices
and
there's
a
higher
balance,
how
you
actually
can
notify
them
of
the
program.
P
Apologize
review.
I
indicated
that
we
were
going
to
send
notices
to
these
people
who
qualify
that.
I
believe
I
said
that
we
don't
have
that
ability
with
the
number
of
staff
that
we
currently
have
to
send.
It
would
have
to
send
to
everybody
who
has
a
balance,
because
there's
no
way
we
can
identify
who.
P
So
while
we
were
discussing
what
you
said
earlier,
I
was
thinking
of
a
solution
and
I
think
what
we
can
easily
do
is
that
first
notice,
the
postcard
that
goes
out
to
every
individual
who
receives
a
parking
violation
citation
in
this
city.
They
can
add
a
sentence
in
bold
at
the
bottom
or
somewhere,
which
is
very
clear
that
this
program
is
available
and
and
and
then
go
from
there.
So
in
other
words,
every
recipient
of
your
citation
knows
that
is
life
that
is
available
to
them
if
they
qualify,
and
we
can
do
that.
H
Yeah,
I
think
that's
the
only
way
that
you'll
be
able
to
like
decide
or
let
people
know
for
one
obviously
they'd
have
to
notify
you
and
find
out
if
they
qualify,
and
I
do
think
there
is
an
element
of
staff
time
to
do
this,
just
to
get
the
program
up
and
running,
and
I'm
okay
with
that,
because
I
think
it's
important,
but
I
think
it
will.
H
E
E
P
A
A
Anybody
abstaining
sounds
like
it
passes,.
A
Thank
you.
We
are
on
to
item
d
hi.
This
is
consideration
of
a
resolution
requesting
approval
of
amendment
number
one.
Oh
wait!
Sorry,
I'm
reading
the
wrong
ones,
my
my
bad,
an
ordinance
amending
section,
23
5.2,
to
permit
up
to
10
small
commercial
events
on
the
plaza
we
have
melissa,
mcdonnell
our
parks
and
open
spaces
division
director
with
us,
and
we
had
councillor
cassette.
I
believe
you
pulled
this
item.
F
Good,
thank
you
so
much.
Thank
you
director,
mcdonald,
for
being
here,
so
I
just
had
a
few
questions.
I
I
know
that.
Do
you
want
to
explain
what's
going
on
with
this
process?
Anybody,
because
I
know
that
we're
about
to
have
a
process
here
of
what's
going
on
with
this
ordinance
or
should
I
just
start
talking
all
right
I'll
just
start
talking,
so
I
had
a
couple
questions
about
the
licensing
process
and
how
or
how
individuals
get
permits
for
this.
F
Can
somebody
explain
that
a
little
bit
more
detail
for
these
smaller
commercial
events,
how
that
permitting
or
licensing
process
would
work
or
the
event,
because
it's
because
it's
10
events
and
it's
their
first
come
first
serve
and
so
understanding
what
that
process
looks
like,
I
think,
is
one
of
my
hang
ups
there.
I
guess
I
let
me
give
a
broader
context
and
then
you
can
decide
how
to
how
to
respond.
F
F
How
are
we
balancing
out
that
piece
and
then
I
believe
for
the
larger
events,
we
have
to
have
a
three-month
lag
time.
I
believe-
and
so
is
that
also
coming
into
play
here.
So
essentially,
what
is
this
whole
application
process
look
like
for
the
events
and
how
does
it
align
with
what
we're
currently
doing.
N
Madam
chair
counselor,
the
permitting
process
is
first
come
first
served.
This
is
coming
in
mid-year,
so
it
would
start
immediately
upon
passage
for
this
year
and
then
we're
going
to
restart
it
on
the
calendar
year,
which
is
january,
and
at
this
point
in
time
we
would
receive
any
interested
parties
requests
on
a
lot
of
these
events.
N
You
do
want
to
plan
a
year
in
advance
and
most
of
the
activities
that
are
on
the
plaza
are
typically
in
the
summer,
although
certainly
we
have
things
in
the
winter
but
yeah
I
it's
a
first
come
first
serve
when
we
get
the
request
that
will
be
evaluated,
you
have
to
fill
out
an
online
application.
You
have
to
submit
a
packet
of.
F
Thank
you
and
so
comes
in
online,
so
that
you
got
the
time
stamp
there
in
case
you're
and
then
can
can
events
apply
for
multiple
years
in
a
row.
So
can
they
say
we
want
to
do
this
on
you
know
july
the
5th
for
2023
2024
2025.
N
F
Thank
you.
I
apologize
because
prime
gov
is
down
for
us.
I
have
to
I
cipher
my
decipher
my
chicken
scratch,
as
opposed
to
normally
I
get
to
type
things
up.
What
computers
have
done
to
me
and
then
I
did
see
that
there
is
a
fiscal
impact.
I
believe
it
was
fifty
thousand
dollars.
Am
I
correct.
N
And
madam
chair
counselor,
that
is
correct.
F
N
I'm
I'm
not
sure
what
you
mean
by
new
cuts.
These
are
costs
that
are
permitted,
they're
posted
online,
so
people
know
what
they're
going
to
pay
and
when
you
have
an
event,
we
assess
what
your
needs
are,
and
sometimes
it's
new
costs
and
it's
based
out
of
the
event.
Sometimes
there
are
residual
costs
that
are
kind
of
staff,
things
that
we
have
to
do
during
the
day.
That
may
take
up
a
little
more
time
than
normal.
That
type
of
thing.
Okay,.
F
So
when
I'm
looking
at
the
expenditures,
I'm
seeing
that
it'd
be
50
000
a
year
that
would
come
out
of
the
city's
coffers
somehow,
and
so
some
of
those
would
be
reallocating
staff
time
and
some
of
those
would
be
overtime
or
or
new
costs,
that's
correct.
Okay,
do
we
have
an
estimate
of
what
that
breakdown
looks
like
or
not
at
this
time,.
N
What
I
think
that
we
believe
is
that
each
permit
will
take
10
hours
and
so
that's
a
big
part
of
it
it's
administrative
time
and
then
again
it's
estimates
because
we
do
need
to
know
what
the
type
and
nature
of
the
event
is.
So
if
it's
a
music
event
we'll
need
to
have
electricians.
O
N
Sometimes
more
food-oriented
events
would
have
more
overtime
in
terms
of
trash
things
like
that.
We
do
have
general
breakdowns,
but
it's
dependent
on
the
specific.
F
N
F
So
this
would
start
mid-year.
Does
this
mean
that
events
would
start
in
fiscal
year
23
or
would
we
be
having
any
event
that
would
be
well,
I
guess,
because
you
have
to
have
three
months.
We
don't
have
three
months
before
the
end
of
the
fiscal
year,
so
never
mind
moot
point.
We
did
just
budget.
You
know
past
the
budget
and
I'm
curious
where
we
believe
the
50
000
will
come
from.
Is
this
something
that
we
will
be
kind
of
finding
as
it
as
it
comes
along?
F
N
N
N
We
have
been
approached
by
roughly
five
or
six
organizations
that
we've
already
planned
for,
but
it
depends,
you
know
if
they're
all
new
events,
you
know,
and
they
get
first
come
first
serve
we're
just
gonna
have
to
see
if
we
plan
for
for
those
types
of
activities,
we
do
have
fees
that
go
into
that
are
collected,
so
we
conceivably
could
come
back
and
ask
for
that
money
to
be
barred
into
the
budget
if
we
do
not
have
enough
resources
to
cover.
But
again
this
is
without
knowing
what
the
nature
and.
A
M
N
F
Okay,
all
right,
so
the
department's
affected
via
public
works,
which
is
obviously
how
that
happens,
and
then
community
services,
I'm
assuming
that's
public
safety.
Would
that
be
why
we
have
community
services?
So
it
should
be
our
community
health
and
safety
department.
Is
that
just
a.
F
F
N
Actually,
I'm
not
sure,
but
I'm
pretty
sure
we're
okay
talking
about.
F
Please
fire
safety,
okay,
okay,
that
makes
sense
to
me
none
and
then
what
about
economic
development?
What
impacts
you
are
we
seeing
to
them
or
expected
to
see
for
them.
N
Q
A
O
Q
Q
Or
right
or
preparation
for,
but
they
very
well
might
get
involved
in
you
know
marketing
or
support
and
other
ways
like
that,
and
they
certainly
support
them
from
a
revenue
generation
perspective,
and
so
since
the
fir
is
talking
about
both
revenue
and
expenses,
any
department
affected
would
be
considered
on
either
side
of
that
equation.
So
sorry,.
F
But
yeah,
I
think
I
mean
the
way
I
and
again.
I
think
that
we
do
need
to
have
kind
of
a
conversation
of
what
goes
into
our
firs
because
they
do
vary
because,
as
I
was
reading,
this
is,
which
departments
are
actually
going
to
be.
You
know,
would
be
required
to
do
on
the
ground
to
work,
and
so
public
works
and
community
health
and
safety
both
make
sense.
But
economic
development
just
felt
a
little
like.
I
wasn't
entirely
sure
what.
Q
F
So
the
other,
the
other
question,
as
long
as
we're
talking
about
economic
development
melissa,
I'm
not
sure
that
you
can
answer
this
or
I
know
sponsors
can
answer
this
and
and
I'm
I
don't
have
much
information.
Besides
some
of
the
responses,
we
got
back
from
the
the
chamber
about
the
concerns
of
the
downtown
businesses.
Maybe
this
is
more
of
a
question
for
the
sponsor.
So
if
you
guys
had
an
opportunity
to
talk
to
the
downtown
merchants
and
understand
a
little
bit
more,
what
their
concerns
are.
H
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
thank
you
for
answering
the
finance
questions,
because
I
actually
think
first
change
every
single
single
time.
We
have
something
different,
so
just
pointing
that
out.
Yes,
I've
had
meetings
with
various
stakeholders,
not
in
full
groups,
but
we
are
planning
on
having
a
full
group
meeting
with
the
merchants
association,
even
though
it's
not
fully
active,
there's
a
few
people
that
are
involved
with
that.
H
The
chamber
is
going
to
be
in
part
part
of
that
meeting
and
we're
hoping
to
have
it
next
week,
but
I've
actually
had
conversations
with
them
and
people
have
different
opinions.
The
other
thing
I
want
to
point
out
is
the
folks
that
work
downtown
some
of
the
businesses
they're,
not
part
of
they're,
not
a
chamber
member
or
they're,
not
part
of
the
merchants
association.
H
What
do
you
call
it?
The
plaza
vendors
and
some
of
the
push
cart
vendors
to?
Let
them
know
about
this,
and
we're
also
going
to
have
an
organized
music
meeting
with
that.
But
you
know
things
take
time
to
try
to
organize
with
meetings
to
get
everybody
on
the
same
page,
but
I
think
they
know
about
this.
H
F
Think
I
appreciate
that
and
I'm
glad
we're
having
those
conversations.
I'd
heard
that
somewhere,
this
is
one
of
those
fun
rumors
that
you
have
to
dig
around
the
city
for
that
there
is
a
report.
Potentially
these
mics
are
really
not
used
to
this.
That
are,
is
potentially
an
economic
development
somewhere
that
talked
about
negative
impact
or
revenue
for
downtown
businesses.
For
events,
and
have
you
heard
of
this
reporter
seen
it
or.
H
I
have
not
seen
it,
I
don't
know
I've
never
even
heard
of
it.
I
know
that
there's
people
that
feel
that
way
when
they
have
the
larger
eight
events
that
it
potentially
takes
businesses
or
business
away
from
them,
but
I
don't
think
you
can
prove
that
with
facts,
saying
that
a
business
is
affected
because
there's
an
event
that
you
know
negatively
impacts
them
when
it
occurs.
I
mean
the
eight
events
that
we're
talking
about
that
are
already
in
play.
H
You
know,
there's
a
lot
to
that's
involved
with
that.
You
know
streets
being
shut
down
and
other
implications,
and
I
think
that's
one
of
the
things
I've
heard
still
about
those
events.
I
guess
the
way
I
envision.
The
smaller
events
is
that
staying
on
the
plaza
park,
it's
pertaining
to
the
actual
community
event,
that's
occurring,
and
it's
very
small
scale,
and
it's
not
multiple
days.
H
So
I
just
can't
imagine
how
that
could
negatively
impact
a
community
or
sorry
the
plaza
vendors
or
even
the
merchants
when
that
brings
people
to
the
plaza,
and
so
maybe
it's
not
their
clientele,
and
maybe
it
is
so.
I've
had
this
conversation
actually
today
with
some
of
the
folks
from
the
chamber,
and
I
think
there's
more
to
discuss
about
that.
But
I
haven't
seen
a
report
yeah.
F
That's
why
I
was
curious
about
it,
and
I
also
think
that
there
is
my
understanding
is
the
perception
that
it
blocks
parking
and
that's
the
problem,
but
if
these
events
are
already
hap
because
right
now,
these
events
can
happen.
Anyhow,
they
just
can't
sell
so
the
parking
is
already
blocked
anyway.
So
I
was
just
curious
that
there
are
other
concerns.
Besides
the
parking.
F
H
Concern-
and
I
think
all
of
us
that
grew
up
here
know
that
parking
is
a
challenge
in
general
for
downtown,
and
I
also
know
that
when
someone
wants
to
get
to
an
event,
they
will
find
parking.
I
mean,
if
you
think,
about
even
zozobra
people
find
parking
and
get
there
when
they
walk.
So
I
think,
if
you
think
about.
H
Director
noel
will
know
this.
We
have
public
parking
and
there's
quite
a
few
options
in
the
downtown
area,
and
if
you
want
to
park
for
free
para
building
is
one
free
parking,
big
lot
that
people
can
park.
So
I
can.
I
don't
feel
like
that.
Issue
is
the
issue
that
really
should
be
of
concern
for
these
small
commercial
event
permits,
because
they're
small
anyway-
and
these
are
events
that
typically
would
have
occurred
and
people
would
be
coming
downtown
for
those
anyways
right.
F
Yeah,
that's
what
I
was
curious,
because
that
was
I
thought
it's
already
happening.
How
many
events
do
we
have
on
the
plaza
in
general,
obviously
not
commercial
events,
but
how
many?
How
often
is
the
plaza.
N
Park,
madam
chair
counselor,
I
I
don't
have
the
exact
number
I
apologize.
I
I
would
I
can
find
out
and
get
back
to
you
on
that
at
the
next
meeting.
Barb
lopez
would
have
that
information,
but
we
do
have
the
ten
these
ten
events.
We
have
them
and
then
the
eight
major
events,
but
I
don't
have
that
information.
Okay,.
H
All
right
on
that
point,
I'm
sure
so
just
you
said
you
don't
have
that
number,
but
we
have
budgeted
for
a
potential
number
of
events
for
the
year
in
this
budget
cycle,
and
so
we
do
have
kind
of
a
guesstimate
of
how
many
events
occur
for
the
year,
not
just
the
eight,
but
you
add
in
kind
of
the
regular
events
that
potentially
would
happen.
So
there
is
somewhat
of
an
estimate
wouldn't.
N
You
say,
madam
chair
counselor
of
a
rail.
We
do
have
an
estimate.
I
don't
have
that
breakout
in
front
of
me.
What
I
do
is
I
meet
with
barb
lopez
and
we.
N
Budgets
look
like
so
I
can
get
that
information
and
let
you
at
the
next
council
meet
or
next
committee
meeting.
Thank
you.
F
And
then
I
get
one
one
additional
question
back
to
the
process
for
people
applying
on
that.
First
come
first
serve
basis.
We
did
have
you
know.
Amp
came
and
spoke
at
the
public
comment.
They
have
multiple
events
on
the
plaza,
so
could
one
individual
who's
have
or
one
organization.
That's
having
multiple
events,
I
mean
if
they
get
their
application
in
first
and
they
have
10
events
on
the
plaza
throughout
the
year.
Can
they
take
up
all
the
events.
N
Madam
chair
counselor,
no,
you
have
to
have
an
individual
permit
for
each
one.
So,
but
I
I
I
think
that
would
not
be
allowed.
Okay,.
F
H
That's
a
good
point
and
I
I'm
not
sure
because
amp
is,
has
multiple
events
right
concerts.
The
band's
theory
fan
stamp
bandstamp
series,
so
I
guess
I
thought
benson
was
one
event.
I
mean
one
application.
N
So
we
probably
have
to
figure
that
out.
Madam
chair
counselor,
this
in
in
the
ordinance
it
talks
about
one
event
per.
H
N
Those
events
would
not
qualify
for
this,
in
my
opinion,
but
I'll
do
a
little
more
thinking
and
speak
with
barb
about
that.
But
I
believe
that
that
would
not
qualify
the
for
the
small
commercial
events,
because
it
is
not
multiple
days.
It's
one
day
right,
but
if
they.
F
N
Madam
chair
counselor,
maybe
it's
possible
and
what
I'll
do
is
I'll
go
back
and
speak
with
barb
administratively.
F
F
With
the
first
come,
first
serve
of
the
events
and
and
what
those
requirements
are
for
somebody
who
is
coming
in
and
having
a
small
commercial
event
that
I
think
that's
the
part
that
I'm
kind
of
hung
up
on,
and
so
I
know
that.
That's
something
that
we're
all
kind
of
chewing
on
a
little
bit
more
and
that
there
will
be
more
conversation
about.
So
I
will.
F
I
will
leave
it
at
that,
but
that's
also
the
other
one
that
I'd
be
concerned
of
is
that
if
somebody
could
come
in
and
have
multiple
events,
because
we
don't
want
it
to
just
benefit
one
organization.
I
believe
that
the
the
purpose
behind
this
is
to
provide
more
opportunities
for
a
variety
of
different
organizations
or
event.
Organizers
am
I
correct,
and
that
kind
of
that
is
the
spirit
of
the.
H
I
think
you
bring
up
a
good
point
and
I
I'd
like
to
find
out
how
amp
actually
applies
for
their
events,
because
I
thought
it
was.
H
G
N
Chair
counselor,
my
I
do
want
to
follow
up
with
our
permitting
folks
to
look
at
that,
but
my
senses
is
that
that's
considered
a
multi-day,
a
permit
versus
an
individual
day
permit,
and
this
is
really
about
individual
days
and
not
over
the
course
of.
But
I
I
do
need
to
find
that
out.
I'm
not
sure
how
they
particularly.
F
Do
that?
Okay,
thank
you
and
I
apologize.
I
normally
try
to
send
you
guys,
questions
in
advance
and
I'm
behind
on
that
this
week.
So
sorry,
I'm
surprising
you
with
questions
today.
I
don't
believe
I
have
any
other
questions
at
this
time.
Thank
you.
A
Councilwoman,
I
I'm
curious
if
you
could
talk
a
little
bit
about
what
you
envisioned,
what
why
did
you
bring
this
bill?
What
what
is
it
you're
wanting
for
the
plaza
and
what
do
you
think
this
enables
and
what
what's
the
vision
behind
the
the
legislation.
H
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
I
also
want
to
include
my
vision,
is
not
necessarily
my
personal
vision.
It's
incorporating
people
that
have
asked
me
about
this
over
the
years
of
serving
on
the
council
and
from
what
I've
heard
from
organized
groups
and
or
events
or
concerts
is
that
they
like
to
be
able
to
have
vendors
to
enhance
the
event
and,
when
I
say,
enhance
the
event
right
now.
Vendors
they're
not
allowed
for
any
regular
community
events.
H
So
if
a
group
wants
to
sell
a
t-shirt,
they
can't
do
it
if
they
want
to
sell
some
kind
of
small,
already
pre-packaged
meal,
not
meal
but
food
item.
They
can't
do
it.
If
there's
any
kind
of
crafts
associated
with
the
event,
they
can't
do
it.
So
we
were
trying
to
figure
out
ways
to
allow
for
having
small,
vendors
or
community
events
that
already
are
existing
mostly
to
be
able
to
support
the
small
business
aspect
of
these
events.
H
There's
been
groups
that
feel
like
they
don't
want
to
just
have
events
to
be
for
entertainment
value
only
that
they
want
to
be
able
to
have
community
members
who
actually
work
and
live
and
play
in
our
city
be
recognized
also
as
having
small
businesses
and
be
able
to
be
shown
for
that.
So
I
think
that
the
one
way
to
enhance
it
was
to
be
able
to
like
uplift,
our
local
businesses,
in
a
way
that
you
know
highlights
the
event,
while
also
highlighting
people
to
be
able
to
sell
vendors.
H
So
when
we
think
about
how
they
could
work
in
conjunction,
we
think
about
like
say:
juneteenth,
it's
very
much
supporting
the
black
community
and
and
extending
beyond
that.
Yet
they
want
to
be
able
to
be
visible
for
the
people
that
actually
sell
goods
and
wares
that
are
related
to
black
culture.
So
how
do
we
do
that?
We
don't
have
a
mechanism
to
do
that
and
according
to
the
attorneys,
the
only
way
to
do
that
is
to
create
this
kind
of
another.
H
I
don't
love
that
ordinance.
I
mean
the
it's
kind
of
confusing,
already
the
plaza
ordinance,
but
then
the
only
way
to
be
able
to
amend
it
is
to
codify
it
with
a
small
commercial
event
permit
option.
So
I
think
that's
what
from
what
I've
heard
community
members
trying
to
enhance
their
events
and
supporting
entrepreneurial
businesses
associated
with
that
event?
E
E
E
We
had
a
dunking
booth,
you
could
dunk
the
chief
for
a
small
amount
of
well.
I
think
it
was
free.
Even
that
was
free,
so
the
whole
thing
and-
and
you
know,
kids-
could
climb
on
ladders
and
climb
on
fire
trucks
and
jump
in
the
ambulances
and
get
blood
pressure
checks
and
do
all
that
100
completely
free
event,
and
it
was
the
inaugural
inaugural
year
that
we
started
it
and
it
it's
a
great
event
brought
many
people
out,
you
know,
was
supported.
E
E
L
E
E
L
A
A
A
Okay,
because
I
guess
okay,
so
I've
got
a
whole
bunch
of
questions
here
now.
So
my
understanding
was
that
a
lot
of
the
people
who've
been
approaching.
You
counselor
via
real,
are
people
who
are
already
doing
events
on
the
plaza
they
would
just
like,
and
you
keep
using
the
word
enhanced.
A
A
Yeah
and
maybe
offset
the
cost
of
it
being
free,
so
that
confuses
me
a
little
bit
but
council
councilwoman
viarell.
You
had
also
mentioned
so.
You
used
two
different
words.
You
used
local
businesses
and
entrepreneurial
businesses.
Are,
you
think,
are
you
thinking
about
criteria
for
these
vendors?
Like
do
you
I
mean?
Should
they
have
a
business
license
in
the
city?
Can
are
they
just
like?
A
You
know,
I'm
at
home,
making
t-shirts
and
I'm
affiliated
with
the
the
community,
organizers
and
I
just
wanna
or
or
I'm
making
really
neat
crafts,
but
I
don't
have
a
business
license,
but
I'm
affiliated
with
a
community
group,
so
I'm
going
to
have
a
vending
booth
and
make
a
little
cash
like.
Have
you
thought
about
that
piece?
Yes,.
H
And
actually
that
was
it's
already
in
the
ordinance
now
that
when
you
do
any
vending,
you
actually
have
to
get
business
licenses
for
anybody,
that's
going
to
be
selling
on
the
plaza
and
the
organizer
would
be
responsible.
They
actually
do
it.
Now
they
have
to
go
to
our
business,
license
office
and
put
all
the
names
of
the
businesses
and
make
sure
they
have
business
licenses.
H
A
Okay
and
then
I
guess
in
your
vision,
is
it
is
it
local
businesses
or
is
it
entrepreneurial
business
I
mean?
Are
you
trying
to
target
anybody
in
particular
or
you
are
encouraged?
Well,
I
think
target.
H
H
I
think
mr
ahmad
talked
about
that.
You
know
people
that
have
books
related
to
black
culture
or
jewelry
related
to
black
culture
that
they
would
be
able
to
sell
for
that
day
for
juneteenth,
and
I'm
just
giving
you
that
example,
because
I
have
had
com
multiple
conversations
about
that.
H
I've
also
heard
about
that
from
like
indigenous
people's
day
being
able
to
have
that
event,
and
not
just
have
it
as
a
tourist
event
where
it's
just
for
entertainment
value,
but
they
would
be
able
to
incorporate
some
vendors,
local
vendors
and
again
it
would
be
up
to
the
organizer
to
kind
of
distinguish
that
and
go
through
the
process
of
accepting
accepting
vendors.
We
wouldn't
be
scrutinizing
all
of
those
pieces.
We
don't
do
that
now.
H
That
was
suggested
by
the
attorney's
office,
based
on
barbara's
kind
of
just
a
guesstimate
of
how
many
organizations
or
groups
have
inquired
about
having
vendors
and
she
guesstimated
around
30.
Although
when
I
asked
her
today,
she
said
she
thought
it
was
less,
but
just
I
think,
over
the
years
folks
that
had
asked
so
it
was
kind
of
around
30.
A
So
what
happens
if
those
few
groups-
those
five
that
you
I
think
really
care
about,
or
that
want
to
lead
off
with
what
happens
if
they
don't
get
down
there
fast
enough
and
get
the
ten?
Are
we
just
creating
a
fight?
Well,
we
were
talking
about
the.
H
Process
because
I
know
some
of
my
colleagues
aren't:
okay
with
the
first
come
first
permitted
and
what
we
could
do
to
kind
of
equitably
provide
the
possibility
of
getting
an
event
that
would
allow
for
vendors-
and
I
I
guess
barbara
and
I
were
talking
about
how
we
do
that
with
waivers
right
now
and
it's
again
at
the
beginning
of
the
year,
people
would
have
to
request
at
the
beginning
of
the
calendar
year
would
have
to
request
that
they'd
like
to
have
vendors
for
their
event,
and
they
would
have
to
know
in
january
that
they
were
going
to
be
having
an
event
later
on
in
the
year.
H
So,
unless
you
all
think
of
another
option,
I
just
think
there's.
If
we're
starting
at
the
beginning
of
the
year
and
having
it
first
come
first
permitted
it
does.
You
know
if
someone's
not
organized,
they
may
not
get
it.
But
I
think
if
folks
are
committed
to
this
and
they're
wanting
to
have
vendors,
that
they
would
be
proactive
in
doing
so.
A
Yeah,
I
just
worry,
you
know
leadership
changes
in
these
groups
and
sometimes
you
have
really
organized
organizers
and
they're
on
it
and
they
know
what
to
do
and
they
get
there
on
the
day
that
you're
they're
supposed
to
and
that's
fine.
But
then
you
know
you
may
have
one
of
the
one
of
the
groups
that
I
know
you
care
about.
You
know
maybe
have
a
problem
with
getting
to
the
meeting
the
deadline
and
then
they
get
out
and
then
they,
you
know
cry
foul
because
they
didn't
get
there
in
time.
A
H
Guess,
I'd
be
open
to
figuring
out
the
a
better
process?
That's
equitable
and
you
know
first
come
first.
Permitted
was
actually
suggested
by
the
attorney's
office.
So
that's
not
really
my
language,
but
I'm
just
willing
to
be
able
to
try
to
I
mean
it
would
be.
People
would
have
to
be
on
top
of
their
organizing
anyway,
if
they
have
to
be
three
months
in
advance
preparing
for
something
so.
A
Okay,
I
this
is
helpful.
I
I
think
there's
some
things
that
we
can
do
to
improve
this
and
I
think
council
lindell
had
some
questions
as
well.
I
kind
of
jumped
in
front
of
her
sorry.
C
Yeah,
I
would
say
thank
you
chair.
First
of
all,
I
don't
think
we
should
be
discussing
this
tonight.
This
is
it
finance.
This
is
supposed
to
come
to
finance.
Last
counselor,
you
said
you've
been
working
on
this
since
january.
I
just
don't
understand
why
we
are
not
following
our
procedural
rules
with
this.
A
Counselor,
can
I
help
with
that,
so
I
think
we
discussed
that
with
the
city
attorney
while
she
was
here
and
as
a
courtesy
to
the
sponsor,
I
suggested
that
she
would
like
she
wanted
to
hear
kind
of
what
some
of
the
questions
were
wanted
an
opportunity
to
talk
about
what
she
was
trying
to
do,
and
I
think
what
we
agreed
is
that
we
will
bring
this
back
to
finance
at
our
the
next.
The
next
meeting
we
have,
which
is
before
it
goes
to
governing
body
on
june
8th.
H
C
Let
me
let
me
say
as
far
as
budget
goes,
this
should
have
been
in
the
budget.
We
have
a
resolution
that
requires
that
we
identify
a
funding
source
and
we
didn't
budget
for
this.
Secondly,
I
agree.
I
I
think
that
10
ten
events
is
too
many.
That's
with
the
eighth
that
we
have
now.
That
puts
us
into
four
and
a
half
months
every
weekend,
an
event,
and
I
think
that's
a
lot.
C
Hopefully
we'll
hear
what
they
have
to
say
in
the
existing
ordinance.
H
C
H
I've
asked
barbara
about
numbers.
It
depends
on
how
you
set
up
I've,
seen
40
on
there,
I've
seen
smaller,
where
there's
still
a
lot
of
space
to
dance
or
do
whatever.
I
think
it's
going
to
depend.
N
Madam
chair
counselor
yeah
it's.
This
ordinance
is
asking
for
us
to
stay
within
the
perimeter
of
the
plaza
because
there
are
different
sizes
of
tents
and
setups,
but
the
organizations
that
do
apply
are
going
to
be
submitting
in
advance
or
layouts.
N
Over
those
booth
setups,
so
we
do
feel
that
that
will
be
something
that
we
can
handle.
If
I
may
take
a
moment,
just
as
previous
conversation
about
how
to
how
to
deal
with
organizations,
I
mean
we
do
know
that
there's
five
or
six
organizations
that
are
interested
in
this
and
and
other
places
in
this
ordinance.
It
really
calls
out
very
specific
things,
so
the
governing
body
may
want
to
consider.
Do
you
want
to
actually
create
a
criteria
or
name
organizations
like
with
an
equity
lens?
N
N
I
do
think
it's
going
to
really
depend
on
what
type
of
event
so
another
lens
we
might
look
at
is
do
we
want
to
have
a
number
of
day
events
and
a
number
of
evening
events
evening,
events
take
a
lot
more
effort
for
our
staff,
so
there
could
be
ways
to
look
at
this.
That's
my
understanding
of
what
this
process
is,
and
if
you
look
at
this
section
in
the
code,
it
is
very
specific
in
certain
areas.
So
I
think
you
have
a
lot
of
flexibility
in
terms
of
crafting,
in
my
opinion,.
C
Thank
you
one
thing
counselor
via
real
that
you
spoke
about
tonight
that
I
hope
that
gets
included
in
this
is
we
talked
about
relating
the
event
to
the
culture
and
highlighting
people
related
to
the
event.
I
hope
that
we
will
have
some
criteria
for
who
the
vendors
are
and
that
it's
not
just
an
open
call
to.
Oh,
you
want
to
sell
on
the
plaza
this
weekend.
Well,
we
got
some
booths
open,
come
on
down
and
sell.
I
hope
that
there's
criteria,
I
think
that's
really
important.
H
Thank
you
councillor.
H
I'm
just
curious
if
this
ends
up
being
something
that
we
put
in
the
ordinance
and
how
to
distinguish
that
open
call
versus
vendors
that
are
associated
with
the
actual
community
event.
H
So
I
don't
have
the
answer
to
that.
I'm
hoping
that
other
folks
would
have
a
way
to
not
be
micromanaging
but
also
yeah.
Obviously
we
want
it
to
be
connected
to
that
event,
because
that's
the
whole
point.
C
That's
that's.
My
point
is:
I
hope
that
we
would
have
some
criteria
and
all
of
these
what
they
do
is
to
tell
me
that
this
still
the
way
this
reads
at
this
moment
in
time.
C
C
C
C
The
section
where
you
need
to
have
a
site
plan
within
three
months
and
a
final
site
plan
within
a
month.
I
think
it's
really
important.
Otherwise
this
will
come
down
on
staff
six
days
before
an
event.
They
go.
Oh
we're
going
to
have
vendors,
that's
not
fair,
so
I
would
hope
that
that
part
of
the
existing
ordinance
gets
duplicated
into
this
part
of
the
ordinance.
It
seems
like
with
the
number
of
events
that
we're
talking
about,
potentially
having
which
I
don't
support.
10.
C
So
those
those
are
the
things
that
in-
and
I
did
send
most
of
these
to
you
that
need
to
be
addressed.
Thank
you,
chair,
council,
river.
G
F
But
a
committee
would
have
to
refer
to
edac,
so
we
could
just
send
it,
knowing
that
we
wouldn't
have
as
much
time
but
still
get
some
information
and
I'm
a
little
bit
torn
on
what
to
do
here
and
if,
if
it
is
possible
that
this
does
not
have
to
be
passed
at
the
june
8th.
Thank
you
meeting.
I
would
actually
request
that
it
also
be
sent
to
the
economic
development
advisory
committee
because
they
could
actually
have
some
input.
That
might
be
beneficial.
F
So
I
is
there
a
reason
that
june
8
has
that
that
we're
targeting
that
date.
I
know
that
there
was
a
lot
of
conversation
and
that's
why
it
was
introduced
not
at
governing
body
but
at
another
time.
So
I'm
curious
about
that
possibility.
F
H
Initially,
we
weren't
thinking
about
the
three-month,
but
I
think
in
talking
with
staff,
it
made
sense
to
do
the
three
months.
So
at
this
point
actually
let
me
retract
that
the
groups
that
are
wanting
to
do
this
have
been
in
already
in
conversation
with
putting
their
event
together
and
the
potential
of
having
vendors.
H
But
it's
not
in
place
right
now,
so
I
think
that
the
three
month
would
still
apply
because
they're
still
going
to
be
doing
an
event
and
putting
together
it's
just
the
vendor
piece,
I
think,
would
have
added
you're
right
a
whole
nother
layer
of
like
trying
to
figure
this
out
yeah
the
timing
yeah.
I
think
that
was
a
misstep.
F
Okay,
so
if
this
is
going
to
be
coming
back
to
finance
on
may
30th,
I
apologize
that
we
have
to
take
a
vote
on
that
before
we
could
even
talk
about
edac.
So
I
jumped
the
gun,
but
would
it
I
would
be
really
interested
in
setting
the
cdac.
So
let's
take
a
vote
on
the
finance
one
and
then
I
will
make
a
question.
A
A
F
F
A
A
Okay,
what
would
be?
Oh,
I
guess
the
the
rule
is
the
the
motion
is
that
this
bill
should
move
through
the
committees
as
per
our
rules,
which
make
would
make
it
go
to
edek
and
also
it
would
come
to
finance.
Last.
F
F
F
A
H
A
A
I
I
F
F
Down
the
wrong
path-
and
this
is
where
I
did
this-
is
what
I
should
have
noticed
being
chair
of
edac
when
this
was
introduced.
I
should
have
said
hey
guys,
I'd
like
to
send
this
to
you
doc
and
then
made
a
motion
then
to
to
change
the
path.
F
A
F
H
I
think
we
have
to
clarify
this
with
staff,
because
you
know
I
don't
know
all
the
ins
and
outs
of
new
procedures
and
also
publishing
dates
and
what
needs
to
go
here
and
there.
So
I
think
we
need
to
go
back
to
staff
and
to
understand
the
right
pathway,
given
what
we
just
talked
about,
though
the
majority
of
the
meetings
will
take
place
in
june.
F
F
But
but
we
could
and
that's
why
I
was
asking
if
there
is
a
if
there
was
a
time
frame,
I
wasn't
going
to
make
the
motion.
You
know
if
they
were
saying
we
need
to
pass
it
on
june,
8th
because
of
xyz,
but
it
sounds
like
that
is
no
longer
the
situation
so
that
we
do
have
the
ability
to
take
the
time-
and
you
know,
draw
upon
the
expertise
that
is
the
knee
deck.
H
I
mean
I
actually
would
like
to
hear
from
you
jack.
I
think
it
would
be
good
to
they're
just
a
recommending
entity
entities
not
like
they
affect
our
process,
but
it
would
be
good
in
a
courtesy
for
folks
that
are
working
on
related
to
economic
and
well,
as
we
say
commerce.
In
this
case
this
is
supporting
commerce.
So
I
think
it's
fine.
F
A
A
A
So
I
I
just
think
it
just
needs
to
follow
the
path
laid
out
in
the
procedural
rules,
which
means
it'll
go
to
the
relevant
advisory
committee.
Then
it'll
go
to
wherever
it's
going
and
it'll
end
in
finance
and
then
go
to
governing
body
and
being
that
edac
isn't
meeting
until
june,
8th,
that's
where
it'll
start
and
then
it'll
all
fall
from
from
there.
F
A
Clear
is
mud
for
the
staff.
I
bet-
and
this
is
just
a
voice
vote
back
to.
I-
I've
sent
an
email
to
the
city
clerk
asking
for
clarification
on
voice
votes,
so
we're
gonna
do
a
voice
vote
all
those
in
favor,
aye,
aye
aye.
Anybody
opposed
all
right,
sorry,
that
was
painful,
but
we're
gonna
learn
from
it.
That's
the
good
news.
A
Request
for
approval
of
five-year
agreement
to
waive
fees
between
the
city
of
santa
fe
and
bienvenidos,
and
who,
who
pulled
this
okay,
counselor
kasich.
F
No
I
apologize
had
I
known,
I
would
not
have
pulled
this
tonight.
I
just
had.
I
had
a
couple
quick
questions,
the
amount
that
they
cap
at
have
they
has
that
always
been
enough
to
cover
the
entirety
of
the
program.
F
Wonderful,
thank
you
and
then
my
my
other
question.
I'll
do
with
it
says
that
it
started
in
mid
april,
but
we
obviously
will
not
be
passing
this
for
another
couple
of
weeks.
So
have
they
already
been
parking
and
paying
for
the
last
month.
F
Okay,
okay
and
then
I
had
another
question
that
I
realized
is
completely
irrelevant,
so
I
I
do
apologize
and.
A
I
will
move
for
approval.
I
actually
have
we
have
a
couple
more
questions,
but
you
can
move
for
approval
and
is
there
a
second?
Second
all
right?
We
have
a
second
and
we
have
a
motion
in
a
second,
but
we
have
more
questions
from
councilwoman,
villarreal
and
councillor.
Rivera
also
pulled
this
item.
H
Q
Oh
sure,
madam
chair
council,
via
ariel,
thank
you
for
the
question.
Actually,
it's
an
exchange
of
services,
so
bienvenidos
stops
our
tourism
booth,
so
it's
really
quite
valuable
to
the
city
to
provide
the
parking
and
that
has
this
has
been
in
place
for
years.
So
it's
not
a
budget
issue.
Really
it's
a
it's
a
fair
value
for
an
exchange.
This.
H
H
Ongoing
renewal
renewal-
that
was
the
word
I
was
looking
for
sorry,
okay,
so
then
my
question
is:
do
we
need
an
fir
for
this.
Q
Thank
you,
madam
chair
councilman
villarreal.
Yes,
actually,
the
fiscal
impact
is
quite
clear
on
a
contract
right.
It's
spelled
out
here
that
we,
you
know
this
is
the
value
it's
not
to
exceed
this
amount.
When
you
have
a
bill,
there
isn't
necessarily
language
in
the
bill
that
talks
about
a
month,
which
is
why
an
fir
is
an
important
accompaniment,
but
the
contract
itself
tells
you
the
fiscal
impact.
G
H
Q
Madam
chair
account
for
villarreal.
This
wouldn't
even
normally
come
to
the
governing
body
at
this
size,
but
there
is
in
our
statutes.
It
requires
that
intergovernmental
agreements
like
mou's
and
those
kinds
of
things
they
do
come
and
also
waiving
and
changing
of
fees
right,
so
our
established
parking
fee
is
being
waived
on
it,
so
those
types
of
things
do
have
to
come,
regardless
of
the
amount.
Okay
and
this
when
was
this
initiated
again.
P
Yard
not
that
I
know
of
no.
Q
Madam
chair
councillor
vera,
it
actually
was
in
the
depot,
if
you
remember,
and
the
depot's
in
remodel,
right
now
and
and
but
now
that
also
the
downtown
restrooms
are
about
to
open,
which
will
have
a
so
that's
really
all
managed
by
randy
randall
and
we're
working
closely
with
him.
But
we
haven't
worked
out
all
the
details.
But
at
this
point
we've
got
the
one
downtown
they'll
be
parking
at
sandoval
and
there's
another.
Maybe.
Q
E
P
No,
that
definitely
would
be
entirely
a
different
aspect:
a
new
contract
if
necessary.
This
is
exclusively
for
the
volunteer
tourist
information
booth
at
the
plaza
okay.
H
A
Okay,
counselor
rivera
anything
else.
E
G
A
Oh
god,
okay,
all
those
in
favor,
aye,
aye,
aye
anybody
opposed.
Okay.
Then
we
go
back
to
gh.
Item
h
was
pulled
by
councillor
cassette,
a
request
for
approval
of
a
budget
amendment
in
the
amount
of
289
205
000
to
cover
lease
payments
due
for
the
led
street
light
and
solarization
project
hello.
Gentlemen,.
I
F
Good
evening,
so
I'm
just
trying
to
understand
so
my
understanding
is
that
we
did
not
get
all
of
the
equipment
installed.
Can
you
let
me
know
which
equipment
is
behind
on
installation
yeah?
I
think
these
are
more
regina
questions.
Then.
Q
I
am
here,
thank
you,
madam
chair
councillor,
cassette
actually
so
the
purchase
order
was
finally
issued
to
the
entity
in
september
of
2021
to
install
all
these
systems
and
luckily
enough,
even
before
sort
of
the
big
supply
chain
issues,
they
took
the
steps
to
purchase
all
of
our
equipment.
Q
So
we
have
all
the
panels
and
all
the
racking,
the
buckman
direct
diversion
array
is
being
built
on
u.s
forest
service
land,
and
so
we've
just
been
at
the
mercy
of
the
forest
service
and
their
permitting
process.
We
believe
so
there's
no
equipment
installed,
because
u.s
forest
service
hasn't
finalized
their
our
access
to
their
land.
So
we
have
all
the
racking.
We
have
all
the
modules,
all
the
inverters,
all
the
interconnection
equipment.
Q
We
expect
and
hope
and
plan
to
have
the
us
forest
service
permit
within
the
next
month
and
be
able
to
start
installation
and
complete
that
in
about
eight
weeks.
Okay,
so
it
sounds
like.
F
Q
That's
the
good
news,
because
if
you
wanted
to
buy
a
solar
panel
right
now,
you
can't
with
all
the
money
in
the
world
even
about
three
months
ago,
so
we're
really
lucky
that
our
vendor
was
just
really
proactive
and
got
it.
They've
completely
held
the
price
we
have
all
the
equipment
on
on
hand
and
bdd
will
end
up
with
approximately
an
additional
megawatt
of
solar
and
all
we
are.
Q
We
have
installed
a
bunch
of
our
other
solar
arrays
too,
probably
about
six
of
them
are
installed
and
getting
ready
for
interconnection
and
we'll
save
a
total
of
seven
hundred
thousand
dollars
a
year
with
this
year
out
part
of
the
project,
the
solar
and
the
not
counting
the
street
lights.
F
O
F
F
Okay
well
good
to
know
those
were
my
only
questions.
I
will
build
the
floor.
Thank
you.
I
think
you're,
the
only
one
who
has
this
is
there.
A
motion
move
to
approve.
A
A
Miller
is
here
with
wildland
wild
land
superintendent
request
for
a
full
approval
of
an
agreement
with
the
united
states
department
of
agriculture,
forest
service,
santa
fe
national
forest,
with
no
fiscal
impact,
increased
capacity
of
services
provided
to
usfs
for
forest
service
burns,
and
I
believe
there
were
a
number
of
people
who
hold
this
councilor
kassick
counselor
villarreal
councillor
rivera
councillor
lindell,
so
I
don't
know
why?
Don't
we
just
start
down
the
council
river?
Do
you
want
to
start
us
off.
E
You
nathan
and
chief
for
hanging
with
us
all
this
time
really
just
wanted
with
everything
going
on
around
around
us,
and
you
just
give
an
explanation
of
what
this
is,
what
it
does,
what
it
means
so.
O
O
O
E
E
O
River
going
out
when
we
assisted
with
the
burns
in
the
watershed
earlier
this
year,
we
would
be
able
to
submit
reimbursements
for
the
hours
worked
on
that
incident
to
the.
Q
I
E
I
thought
you
said
well,
like
you
were
gonna,
ask
something
all
right
just
wanted
to
make
sure.
That's!
That's
all
I
thought
it
was
madam
chair,
but
just
wanted
to
make
sure.
I
think
a
lot
of
the
public
have
read
this
and
think
that
we're
gonna
start
burning
up
places
around
the
city.
O
L
H
O
A
H
H
I
think
the
issue
not
with
this
particular
agreement,
but
the
reason
why
it's
heightened
is
that
the
protocols
did
not
work
for
this
last
prescribed
burn
in
the
vegas
area,
and
I
guess
I
don't
know
if
you
all
know,
but
there's
probably
going
to
be
more
of
an
investigation
and
scrutiny
on
that.
So
do
you
know
if
there
you're,
considering
looking
at
different
protocols,
that
the
m
forest
service
will
be
following
for
prescribed
burns?
Given
the
hermits
peak
fire.
H
H
Heard
it
from
a
federal
congress
person
saying
that
they'll
be,
and
maybe
even
in
the
governor,
that
they'd
be
looking
at
an
investigation
of
protocols
for
the
forest
service
as
this
moves
forward,
so
I
think
things
are
going
to
have
to
change
with
prescribed
burns
and
obviously
this
what
this
request
is
is
not
connected
to
that
piece,
but
I
just
want
to
make
that
known
that
there's
I've
been
hearing
about
that
since
this
fire,
and
I
think
that's
all
I
have
for
now.
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
M
So,
madam
chair,
what
we've
done
in
the
past
is
we've
helped
them
just
on
our
normal
days.
So
we
with
nathan
miller
being
here
for
the
last
12
months.
We
found
some
ways
to
reimburse
us
so
when
we've
got
them
in
the
watershed
in
the
past,
we've
just
eaten
the
cost
in
the
fact
that
we're
just
there
to
help
we're
here
to
do
the
best
we
can.
We
hired
the
water,
the
wildland
division,
to
do
this
kind
of
work.
So
we
don't
have
to
ask
for
this.
M
We
are
just
trying
to
they're
willing
to
reimburse
us
for
these
costs
that
we
normally
would
just
part
of
our
day
operation.
We
would
just
go
up
there
and
help
these
people
work
out
every
day.
So
that's
how
we've
done
it
in
the
past
over
nathan
being
here
in
the
last
12
months.
That's
how
we've
changed.
We've
tried
to
make
it
better
and
trying
to
say:
okay
we'll
go
up
there
and
help,
but
then
he
can
ask
for
reimbursement
in
the
back
and
start
recouping
some
of
the
costs
so.
A
M
Madam
chair,
and
also
we're
also
to
be
able
to
go
up
there
and
watch
and
be
part
of
the
team
instead
of
us.
If
we
don't
have
a
say
in
those
burns
at
least
we're
going
up
there,
letting
nathan
go
up
there
and
he
seeing
what
they're
doing
and
we
can
have
some
say
in
it
and
in
other
ways,
if
we're
just
saying
we're
staying
out
of
it,
and
they
still
want
to
do
it.
We
won't
have
that
ability
for
me
to
at
least
have
somebody
to
go.
M
A
And
and
I
think
in
a
in
an
email
today,
you
mentioned
it's
also
a
training
opportunity
for
our
people
up
there
participating
up
there.
Can
you
elaborate
on
that?
Madam.
M
Chair
so
in
the
evenings
or
in
the
90s
in
the
off
hours
or
like
in
the
winter
time,
these
guys
don't
have
as
much
to
do
so.
We
could
go
up
there
in
the
december
in
january
and
do
these
trainings
and
they
can
start
getting
calls
to
be
more
qualified
when
we
do
have
these
big
fires
and
we
can
send
more
people
to
the
fires
because
of
right
now
we
only
have
four
engine
bosses
that
can
work
out
there.
M
A
I
mean,
and
and
so
all
that
said
I
mean
there
is
a
like-
a
safety
net
or
an
element
of
protecting
santa
fe,
with
the
work
that
you're
doing
and
getting
reimbursed.
M
For
it,
yes,
ma'am
chair,
yes,
that's
exactly
what
we're
trying
to
do.
We've
been
doing
it
for
years,
so
you
know
one
of
these
have
gone
bad.
It
went
back,
but
we've
been
doing
prescribed
burns
in
santa
fe
for
last,
probably
10
to
12
years.
Since
super
concert
has
been
here.
As
a
chief
we've
been
doing
these
burns
they've
been
coming
in
here
they
usually
have
the
right
rh.
You
know
the
relative
humidity
and
all
the
right
concepts
that
have
these
burns.
Sometimes
they
get
them
right
and
this
one
they
didn't
get
right.
M
So
those
are
the
conversations
where
you
give
and
take,
but
yes,
that's
what
it
comes
down
to
and.
A
You
may
not
be
the
person
to
ask
this
question,
but
since
you're
here
and
you
know
probably
more
qualified
than
any
of
us-
I'm
just
curious-
you
know
so
I
think
wins
played
a
big
role
in
the
this
controlled
burn,
getting
out
of
control
and
wreaking
havoc
on
the
state,
what
kind
of
factors
of
climate
change
and
changing
conditions
I
mean.
Obviously,
this
spring
we're
seeing
winds
like
we've
never
seen
before.
A
How
does
it
how's
that?
How
is
the
kind
of
changing
landscape
changing
climate?
Changing
you
know,
environment
in
which
these
burns
are
conducted
factored
in
is
that
is
that,
above
your
pig.
M
Sure
I'm
gonna
for
this
wildland
superintendent
nathan
miller.
He
saw
a
lot
of
big
difference
in
this
fire
he's
seen
stuff
that
he's
never
seen
before.
They
said
they
compared
him
to
the
santa
ana
winds
in
california,
yeah
yeah.
O
M
O
So,
madam
chair,
on
that
note,
yeah
the
conditions
that
we're
seeing
right
now
are
just
never
seen.
A
O
The
winds
are,
are
crazy,
they're
higher
speeds
than
what
we've
seen
here
in
new
mexico
for
a
sustained
amount
of
time.
Temperatures
are
up.
I
mean
in
this
part
of
may
we're
not
used
to
seeing
you
know
three
to
five
percent
rhs
we're
used
to
seeing-
maybe
you
know
15
roughly
here
and
there
not
used
to
seeing,
I
think
they
said
and
roughly
about
35
out
of
the
last
45
days
have
been
red
flag
days
in
the
state
and
that's
also
unheard
of
so
yeah.
O
I
think
there's
just
a
lot
of
changing
in
the
weather.
That's
you
know
creating
havoc
on
this,
this
fire
that
we
are
having
here.
Unfortunately,.
A
O
H
Okay,
thank
you.
Thank
you
for
indulging
me
counseling
via
rail.
The
way
you
describe
that
is
basically
not
just
the
weather.
It's
climate
change,
it's
funny
how
we
don't
even
see
it.
The
newspapers
haven't,
talked
about
it,
but
it's
climate
change,
and
so,
when
I
think
about
that-
and
I'm
assuming
you
all
will
I
guess
when
it
comes
to
the
point
where
it's
affecting
when
you
all
are
going
to
start
being
involved.
H
Protocol
does
have
to
change
based
on
how
our
weather
pattern
patterns
and
climate
change
are
are
shifting
and
therefore
we
have
to.
I
think
the
protocols
are
going
to
have
to
change
and
that
it's
not.
I
know
you
don't
set
those
protocols,
but
that's
what
I
just
see
us
into
the
future.
Seeing
with
the
national
forest
service,
it's
just
things
are:
gonna
have
to
shift
based
on
unpredictable
possibilities,
and
so
I
guess
I'm
just
I
don't
know.
H
O
Madam
chair
counselor,
woman
vrael,
just
a
little
thing
to
think
about,
is
when
bamboo
or
cetera
grande
happened
years
ago.
There's
a
lot
of
paperwork
done.
A
lot
of
investigations
done
everything
looked
into
that
just
looking
at
that.
I
think
that
that's
going
to
come
into
effect
after
this
one
now
happened,
don't
know
for
sure,
but
I'm
sure
that
they
will
reevaluate
everything
that
they
have
to
do
to
include.
L
O
Amount
of
days
on
looking
at
the
weather
observations
before
and
after
to
try
and
predict
it
because
they
do.