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A
Then
Mr
Mayor,
you
are
live.
Thank
you
what's
wrong,
meaning
to
order
about
what
107.
it's
a
special
meeting
or
work
session
of
the
government
body.
That's
a
public
meeting,
but
it
is
a
formal
meeting
of
the
governing
body.
So,
let's
begin
by
turning
and
facing
the
flag,
all
constructively
participate
in
the
Pledge
of
Allegiance
and
where
Mexico
pledges.
B
A
A
My
My
Hope
for
today
my
expectation
for
today
is
constructive
conversation
about
the
chart
about
the
recommendations
about
the
report
and
then
secondarily
and
equally
as
important
how
we
move
forward
and
bring
the
chart
process
to
an
additional
round
more
additional
rounds
of
the
engagement
discussion
and,
ultimately,
most
importantly,
in
action
and
I-
think
we're
ready
to
as
a
governing
body
talk
about
priorities.
A
Among
Us
in
between
us
for
using
this
report
as
a
springboard
for
priority
actions,
but
today
is
primarily
about
dialogue
and
discussion
first,
if
our
friends
from
our
polite
to
get
more
context
where
possible.
If
there
are
additional
contextual
comments
from
items
in
the
report,
more
color
commentary
fleshing
some
things
out,
not
just
questions
and
answers,
but
conversation
and
then
something
we
haven't
done
is
a
governing
body.
Yet
is
to
have
a
dialogue
among
ourselves.
A
It's
an
open
and
transparent
public
meeting,
which
is
how
it
should
be,
and
it
is
the
next
step
in
an
ongoing
process.
It's
important
I
think
to
reflect
on
the
fact
that
chart
was
never
a
one
one
and
done
activity.
It
was
the
beginning
of
a
much
needed
Community
dialogue.
A
A
A
About
our
history,
the
culture
about
the
role
that
art
plays
in
Santa,
Fe,
historically
and
going
forward
and
then
how
we
can
work
collectively
to
a
better
understanding
of
who
we
are
and
how
we
live
together,
peacefully
and
respectfully
and
constructively
I.
Think
it's
Unique
in
the
country,
I'm,
not
I,
know
from
having
research,
Truth
and
Reconciliation
activities
in
other
cities
and
other
countries
that
more
a
very
different
approach
has
been
thinking
in
some
places
included
in
North,
Carolina
and
Canada
is
referenced
in
the
report.
A
South
Africa,
but
something
like
this
is
unique
and
I
think
it.
It
is
a
document
that
whether
we
agree
with
everything
in
it
or
not,
is
really
not
the
plan.
A
B
A
A
request
that
was
made
there
were
questions
sent
into
life
folks,
and
each
of
those
has
been
responded
to
in
writing.
It's
a
public
document.
It's
on
the
city's
website.
A
It
certainly
provides
a
lot
of
additional
information
and
citations
of
where
people
can
find
in
the
report
itself,
data
or
list
of
recommendations
and
where
they
came
from
and
also
clarified.
Some
of
the
questions
around
how
choices
were
made
among
the
participants
in
the
chart
process,
all
of
which
is
on
the
table
and
on
the
web
and
available
for
Public
public
and
reading
and
engaging.
A
We
have
a
hard
stop
at
four
o'clock.
I
I
propose
of
what
we
and
we
have
two
real
agenda
items
today,
they're
equally
important.
One
is
a
conversation
with
our
polite,
in
which
we
appreciate
agree
with
you
and
I
propose.
We've
set
aside
the
first
90
minutes
of
our
three
hours
for
that
conversation,
and
then
at
that
point,
if
we're
at
a
stop
an
acceptable,
stopping
point
shift
gears
and
talk
among
ourselves
as
the
devil
emboding
about
how
we
would
like
to
move
forward
with
next
steps.
B
A
To
work
on,
but
we
haven't
had
a
public
conversation
as
a
governing
body
about
the
way
before
we
may
be
different
ideas
about
how
to
do
that,
so
my
proposal
would
be.
We
spend
90
minutes
moving
around
the
table.
There
are
eight
of
us
if
everybody
took
10
minutes
and
had
a
conversation
with
art
for
life
doesn't
have
to
be
a
question.
It
could
be
a
discussion.
It
could
be
a
I'd
like
more
insight
about
what
this
means
and
just
move
around
the
table.
A
So
if
that
sounds
agreeable
to
everybody,
I
think
we
can
just
take
10
like
10
minutes
a
piece
for
opening
Salvo
and
see
where
we
are
after
90
minutes.
That's
okay
with
everybody;
okay,
yes
good!
A
A
C
B
B
B
A
B
C
B
A
C
B
B
C
So
you
know
one
of
the
things
that
that
it
is
laid
out
here
and
I
think
that
this
would
be
worthwhile
because
I
know
there's
been
some
I've
received
some
questions
about.
It
is
discussion
around
the
the
community
solution,
stable
and
really
how
that
was
chosen
for
anybody
who
is
listening.
C
That
is
on
this
FAQ
that
they
provide
us,
it
is
I
assume
be
a
prime
gov
is
where
this
is
excessive,
so
somebody
can
access
it,
but
would
you
mind
providing
some
information,
because
I
I
think
that
there
was
I
know
for
me
it
was
a
different
process
than
what
I
was
expecting,
and
so
I'd
like
to
hear
a
little
bit
more
about
what
was
considered
regular
engagement
and
then
why
was
not
everybody
who
consistently
engaged
April
command
that
maybe
Solutions
Google
for
how
you
have
designed
it.
A
C
A
Yeah,
the
members
of
the
community
Solutions
table
consisted
of
individuals
who
consistently
engaged
with
the
project
and
its
range
of
activities
and
were
determined
after
the
majority
of
the
public
engagement
events
had
occurred
to
abide
by
the
contract.
Membership
on
the
community
Solutions
table
had
to
be
diverse
and
representative
of
the
Santa
Fe
Community
in
in
age,
gender,
identity,
sexual
orientation,
race
and
cultural
background.
A
Up
to
the
time
the
members
of
the
CST
were
selected.
We
also
considered
the
results
of
survey
number
one
which
told
us
which
perspectives
and
opinions
were
important
to
chart
participants.
There
are
600
of
the
respondents
to
survey.
One
and
people
online
in
here
can
look
at
the
table
below
for
information
about
race
and
ethnicity
and
the
chart
project,
so
you
had
to
balance
a
number
of
factors.
A
What
was
the
breakdown
and
this
one
had
to
do
with
Grace
and
ethnicity
in
the
city
and
the
county
who
had
attended
our
dialogues,
who
had
participated
in
survey
number
two.
Those
were
the
ones
where
we
took
demographic
information.
The
dialogues
was
an
approximation
because
we
didn't
require
people
to
tell
us
their
race
and
ethnicity.
They
could
share
on
their
registration
forms,
but
we
didn't
want
to
be
too
much
of
a
gatekeeper
so
that
it
would
discourage
people
from
participating.
There's
an
entire
section
in
the
report
on
that.
A
If
people
would
like
to
read
that
about
gatekeeping
and
some
of
the
research
that
shows
how
that
can
discourage
people
from
participating,
so
we
took
demographic
information
on
surveys
and
things
like
that
and
voluntarily.
So
the
chart
dialogues-
that's
in
the
middle
of
that
table,
is
our
approximation
of
the
people
who
attended.
A
So
we
were
looking
at
all
of
that.
We
also
had
to
balance
the
size
of
the
community
Solutions
table
with
diversity,
for
example
a
larger
CST.
Let's
say
30
members
would
have
required
additional
chart.
Participants
who
identified,
for
example,
as
black
or
African-American.
We
located
one
chart
participant
self-identifying
as
black
African-American
who
consistently
participated
in
the
project,
while
there
were
others
who
self-identified
that
way
and
maybe
came
to
one
or
another
event,
and
because
the
requirement
was
consistent,
we
had
to
count
in
this
example
someone
who
self-identified
as
black
African-American
as
consistently
participating.
A
So
we
couldn't
expand
this
the
size
of
the
community
Solutions
table
without
minimizing
participation
by
people
in
terms
of
race
and
ethnicity.
Does
that
make
sense,
so
the
larger
it
meant
we
would
have
had
to
have
three
or
four
who
consistently
participated,
a
self-identified
as
black
African-American,
and
that's
why
the
size
of
the
community
Solutions
table
was
the
size
that
it
was
in
terms
of
the
work
of
the
CSP
members
reviewed
the
body
of
data
collected
over
the
course
of
public
engagement
activities.
A
A
They
had
to
know
what
information
we
had
gathered,
and
that
was
important,
because
this
body
decided
against
the
idea
of
a
border
commission
for
the
chart
project
and
all
of
you
decided
in
favor
of
a
public
engagement
process
that
would
listen
to
the
stories
of
hundreds
of
people
and
let
that
be
the
base
of
the
data
for
recommendations.
So
it's
very
important
to
point
out
that
the
community
Solutions
table
had
to
have
its
grounding
the
members
needed
to
have
their
grounding
for
their
recommendations
in
the
data
that
was
collected
during
the
project.
A
Otherwise
they
would
not
have
been
responsible
to
the
hundreds
of
Santa
Fe
and
who
participated
in
dialogues,
art,
activations,
surveys,
interviews
and
all
of
the
other
things
and
just
to
finish,
and
they
use
this
as
a
basis
for
proposing
recommendations
to
be
included
in
the
final
report.
This
process
ensured
that
recommendations
were
based
on
the
hundreds
of
responses
by
community
members
that
reflected
a
robust
and
diverse
public
engagement
process,
rather
than
the
views
of
a
few.
A
A
C
I
think
that
that
was
just
one
of
the
areas
that
I
know
that
I
was
a
little
bit
surprised,
especially
because
we
had
you
know
the
really
well
this
conversation
and-
and
there
was
this
discussion,
if
we
had
too
many
people
that
wanted
to
be
involved,
that
this
would
be
a
good
problem
to
have
I
do
understand.
There
was
a
lot
of
data
involved
with
that,
because
that
was
kind
of
an
interesting
conversation.
C
I
can
really
understand
why
any
members
of
the
public
who
have
been
watching
our
conversations
around
it,
and
then
we've
got
that
kind
of
the
process,
how
that
felt
a
little
bit
different.
So
thank
you
for
for
more
of
the
information
there
I'll
jump
ahead
just
because
I
know
the
time
is
of
the
essence.
C
Another
question
about
who
was
chosen
for
the
one-on-one
interview,
so
I
couldn't
understand
from
the
report.
If
it
was
specifically
if
there
were
individuals
specifically
that
you
guys
reached
out
to
based
on
trying
to
round
out
demographics
and
I'm
sorry,
this
one's
coming
in
a
little
bit
late.
C
But
could
people
have
self-selected
because
they
have
nominated
somebody
for
these
one-on-ones
and
were
you
taking
anybody
that
had
or
recommendation
I
was
interested
in
doing
these?
Basically?
Was
there
enough.
A
Finally,
the
13
one-on-one
interviews
were
conducted
in
May
2022
by
chart
team
members.
These
they
asked
many
of
the
same
questions
used
in
the
January
February
and
March
public
dialogue
sessions,
charts
out
interviewees
from
demographic
groups
that
had
not
participated
in
large
numbers
at
other
dialogues,
including
Santa,
Fe
and
ages,
20
to
29.
A
A
Or
not
that
wasn't
part
of
the
formal
one-on-one
but
the
from
the
beginning
of
the
chart
project.
We
in
all
of
our
email
campaigns.
We
said
if
anybody
wanted
to
meet
with
us
whether
that
was
an
individual
organization.
All
they
had
to
do
is
contact
us
in
terms
of
these
interviews
that
were
done
in
May
late
in
the
project
right.
A
So
how
many
months
in
10
months
into
the
project
we
had
looked
at,
who
was
missing
in
terms
of
contributing
or
who
we
thought,
the
voices
that
we
thought
we
needed
to
boost
in
some
ways
to
try
to
achieve
that
balance
and
that's
how
those
participants
were
chosen.
But
anybody
at
any
point
in
the
project
and
we
did
get
people
who
had
individual
phone
calls
with
as
well
as
meetings.
A
C
A
B
A
Yeah,
we
know
who
you
are,
but
the
public
may
not
know
who
you
are
if
they're
watching
on.
D
Alexis
Kaminsky
I'm.
A
B
A
You
mayor,
okay,
well,
there's
so
many
questions
that
can
be
asked.
I
think
that
just
kind
of
going
through
my
own
thought
processes
and
asking
not
just
what
was
in
an
affordable
World.
Our
community
has
been
reaching
out
to
our
schools
because,
obviously,
at
some
point
we
as
a
governing
bar
you're
gonna,
have
to
decide
what's
going
to
go
on
with
this
I
know,
a
lot
of
people
were
hoping
that
this
report
would
identify.
Well,
what
do
we
do
with
the
soldiers?
A
What
we
do
with
the
statutes
in
our
community
conversation.
A
And
so
I
guess
the
question
and
I
don't
have
anything
that
I
have
sent
in
for
Preparation,
so
I
hope,
you're
gonna
have
to
read
it
here,
but
not
read
it,
but
from
what?
What
some
of
the
questions
and
concerns
that
I've
never
had
over
this
this
process,
but
before
I
even
go
into
this
first
question
is
in
the
report.
A
If
he
ever
identifies
with
what
we
just
told
me,
that's
a
really
good
question,
and
so,
since
the
beginning
of
the
project
chart
was
asked
repeatedly,
you
know
if
there
were
any
limitations
on
what
could
be
done.
The
soldiers
monument
that
after
it
had
been
toppled,
you
know
who
owns
this
base
so
to
speak,
who's
in
charge
of
the
space
on
the
Plaza,
and
so
we
forwarded
that
questions
to
rbas
on
Pauline
in
January,
I
think
because
we
kept
hearing
about
it.
A
So
there
is
one
of
the
recommendations
in
this
report
in
the
soldiers
Monument
section
that
asks
the
city
to
be
absolutely
clear.
Is
there
any
limitations,
whether
they're
local
state
or
federal
laws
or
ordinances
or
whatever,
because
what
people
were
concerned
about
is
that
chart
would
do
its
work
after
all
these
months
and
come
up
with
an
option
or
another
option,
and
then
the
answer
would
be
well.
That
can't
be
done
because
there
are
legal
limitations.
A
And
I'm
not
aware
of
any
questions,
it's
not
questionable
notification
or
current
roles.
Figures
on
that
point,
but
the
best
information
we
have
is.
A
Such
an
important
piece
to
all
of
this-
and
you
know
that
being
said,
we're
coming
back
as
to
what
recommendations
are.
How
do
we
take
the
information
and
support
and
utilize
it
to
make
the
best
possible
decision
for
our
community?
A
The
other
question
I
only
have
for
what
happened.
It's
just
kind
of
similar
to
maybe
with
counselor
cast.
It
was
interviewing
two
which
is
inclusivity
and,
and
here
again
I
think
that's
some
of
the
concern
from
from
people
in
the
community
and
foreign.
A
A
A
So
this
is
on
I
think
this
is
sort
of
reflected
by
cancer
Garcia's
question.
A
A
On
page
seven
I'm
just
gonna
have
to
break
through
with
the
professor
Garcia.
Your
question
was:
can
you
help
me
to
understand
how
it
was
that
in
four
hours
of
meeting
two
hours
on
a
Saturday
and
two
on
a
Sunday,
the
community
Solutions
table
could,
as
a
group,
consider
and
or
create
50
55
recommendations,
some
of
them
quite
expensive
and
complex
and
our
responses?
Actually,
the
CSP
met
for
longer
than
the
times
indicated
on
their
agreement.
Together
they
agreed
to
stay
longer
on
both
days
of
the
deliberations.
A
Recommendations
were
generated
by
a
shared
document
that
all
panelists
could
contribute
to
comment
on
and
revise
over
at
least
a
month's
time.
The
results
became
a
significant
part
of
the
final
report.
We
approximate
that
each
member
of
the
csps
spent
an
average
of
25
hours
on
the
process
for
a
total
of
150
Collective
hours.
A
few
additional
details,
the
CST
packages-
pagers
sorry
binder
Pages
330
Pages-
were
distributed.
As
we
said
three
weeks
ahead
of
time.
A
They
came
to
the
medium
fully
prepared
to
discuss
the
material
with
notes
on
paper
and
index
cards,
Post-it
notes
in
the
report
and
much
more
as
we
said,
on
August
31st,
we
were
really
impressed
with
the
members
of
the
community
Solutions
table
how
they
arrived
at
those
meetings
with
just
a
lot.
They
had
done
their
work,
and
that
was
just
the
beginning
of
the
work
from
that
point
on.
A
We
spent
the
two
days
in
deliberations
and
then
homework
had
to
say,
and
then
they
drafted
the
sections
of
the
report
that
are
the
community
Solutions
table
recommendations.
Those
are
clearly
identified
in
the
final
report,
the
ones
that
were
created
by
the
community
installations
table.
They
had
to
draft
those
revise
them
change
them
comment
on
them
in
order
to
create
the
final
version
of
that
report.
So,
just
to
go
back
there
is
that
again
we
were
careful.
This
is
on
page
eight
for
the
bottom.
A
It's
also
important
to
note
that
we
often
ask
panelists
to
reflect
on
the
information
in
their
binders
to
ensure
that
their
recommendations
were
in
keeping
within
with
the
results
of
the
chart
data.
If
the
community
Solutions
table
members
wanted
to
make
a
recommendation
that
we
thought
was
not
reflected
in
the
body
of
data,
they
were
free
to
do
that,
but
as
the
chart
team
or
the
directors,
he
would
have
made
note
of
that
in
the
report.
Because,
again,
the
responsibility
of
the
community
Solutions
table
wasn't
just
to
come
and
share
their
opinions.
A
They
all
shared
their
opinions.
They
were
part
of
the
project,
but
their
opinions
had
to
be
based
on
this
information.
So
we
worked
very
hard.
There
are
many
sections
in
a
report
on
how
we
attempted
to
have
diversity
and
participation
in
the
chart
project
right.
That
was
the
first
priority
and
that's
why
we
worked
so
hard
at
that
through
many
methods
are
discussed
in
the
report.
That
became
this
body
of
information.
A
The
community
Solutions
table
members
chosen
also
for
their
diversity
and
for
their
consistent
participation
had
to
study
this
because,
if
their
points
of
view
didn't
seem
responsible
to
this,
the
very
reason
Artful
life
applied
for
this
project
is
because
of
our
expertise
and
experience
in
gathering
information
from
communities.
That's
the
work
that
we
do.
We
do
not
use
our
own
opinions
to
make
data.
We
only
consult
the
community
to
take
their
information
that
becomes
the
collective
voice
of
the
community.
A
That
is
the
data
of
the
report,
and
it
would
be
very
odd
and
irresponsible
for
us
to
then
have
a
group
of
people
come
in
and
just
say:
well
we
just
think
this
because
it
wasn't
in
the
spirit
of
the
project,
all
of
the
communities
released
news
table.
Members
agreed
with
that
did
their
homework,
and
we
served
sometimes
as
a
check
on
that
during
the
discussions
to
say.
Do
you
think
this
is
born
out
in
the
information
right?
A
We
just
had
to
say
that
over
and
over
again
it
wasn't
that
they
came
up
with
these
recommendations
that
weren't
consistent.
It
was
our
job
to
do
that
to
be
responsible
to
the
methods,
careful
methods,
methodology
of
this
process.
That
makes
sense
it
makes
sense
and
I
think
that's
the
another
heads
up
close
by
just
one
comment:
I
guess
and
maybe
informal
question
is
how.
A
How
many
people
these
do,
you
feel,
might
have
been
excluded
because
we
weren't
able
to
express,
even
though
they
may
have,
but
they
didn't
get
into
the
report
based
upon
the
Criterion
that
has
been
set
forward,
Port
into
what
they
wanted,
what
you
were
looking
for
and
what
they
wanted
to
provide.
Is
there.
B
A
That
everything
that's
in
the
report
and
everything
in
here
reflects
every
single
person
who
participated.
There
is
nobody's
Voice
who
is
left
out.
That
is
why
the
community
Solutions,
the
community
decision
table,
is
kind
of
like
they're.
They
were
like
the
you
know
the
Apex
as
it
were
that
took
all
this
information.
That
is
the
foundation
of
everything.
That's
in
the
report.
There's
not
no
one's
opinion
has
been
excluded
in
any
way,
shape
or
form.
That's
why
they
looked
at
every
survey
result.
A
A
Based
on
that,
then
you
feel
that
that
was
satisfying.
Yes,
because
we
kept
checking
with
them.
You
know
again,
because
we
are
so
familiar
with
this
information,
because
we've
processed
all
of
it
and
documented
all
of
it.
If
there
had
been
anything
that
the
community
Solutions
table
said
that
seemed
to
us
completely
off,
we
would
have
said
that
as
the
co-directors
in
the
report,
we
would
have
allowed
that
recommendation
to
exist,
but
we
would
have
said
that
we,
we
don't
think
that's
reflected
in
the
information,
but
that
never
happens
audio
before.
Thank
you.
A
D
D
Thank
you,
I'm
not
going
to
take
off
my
mask,
but
they'll
tell
me
you
need
me
to
repeat
anything
okay.
D
So,
as
I
looked
through
the
report,
the
common
thing
that
I
saw
that
was
like
alarming,
but
something
that
I
think
needed
to
be
out
in
the
open
was
that
we
had
community
members
and
many
subgroups
that
don't
pull
their
study
represents
them
all
with
that,
I
felt
like,
of
course,
it's
our
responsibility
to
kind
of
set
that
platform,
since
they
have
employees
and
they
have
representation
and
they
feel
like
they
belong
to
the
city
that
they
live
in
working
in
the
community,
as
I
have
I
know
how
essential
Community
Partners
are
to
create
that
platform.
D
It
is
hard
for
I,
think
government
organizations
to
make
the
kind
of
connections
that
Community
Partners
do
with
community
members
and
many
of
them
Target
subgroups
that
are
often
not
represented
well
and
experienced
inequities
and
experience
silence
voice.
So
there
were
Community
Partners
work
is
just
so
essential
and
I
know
there
were.
There
was
a
long
list
and
I'm
sorry,
I
didn't
get
my
question
to
you
ahead
of
time.
B
D
Apologize
there's
a
long
list
of
organizations
and
Community
Partners
that
were
involved
in
this
process,
but
when
I
was
looking
at
that,
I
was
very
curious
to
how
many
of
them
were
aligned
and
what
they
thought
was
best
with
some
of
the
hot
topics
like
the
office,
because
you
know,
as
a
city
government
we're
gonna
have
to
create
action.
I,
don't
think
we
can
do
that
without
Community
Partners,
and
if
our
community
partners
aren't
aligned
we're
kind
of
going
to
be
in
the
same
spot
that
we
were
in
the
first
place.
D
So
I
just
wanted.
If
you
can
just
from
the
work
that
you
did
give
us
a
summary
of
how
tell
the
work
of
some
of
our
Community
Partners
were
if
you
felt
resistant
from
any
of
them.
If
there's
anything
we
should
know
and
reaching
out
to
our
Community
Partners
and
trying
to
create
action
out
of
this
whole
process,.
D
Well,
so
there's
a
lot
of
them
here,
but
I
imagine
they
all
have
different
levels
of
participation.
I
know
some
of
them.
It
was
limited
to
them
really
just
being
reached
out
to,
and
maybe
them
think
they
really
want
to
be.
That
involved.
So
I
just
I
want
to
understand
how
each
of
them
are
involved
into
what
level.
A
Well,
in
our
response
here
we
have
the
list
of
the
organizations
how
we
reached
out
to
them
and
then
the
ones
that
responded
and
we
met
with
all
of
them
in
terms
of
I-
think
the
first
part
of
your
question.
A
A
For
us,
this
work
is
really
about
community
building
in
communities
that
do
not
have
the
same
point
of
view.
That
is
the
hard
work.
So
the
chart
process
was
to
give
everyone
a
space
and
to
create
safe
atmospheres
where
they
could
say
what
they
had
to
say.
We
did
not
if,
if
people
were
horrible
to
each
other,
that
just
actually
didn't
happen.
A
Sometimes
people
who
showed
up
to
protest
the
chart
project
but
didn't
participate,
said
really
awful
things
to
people
and
to
our
staff,
but
they
weren't
the
people
who
participated
so
everybody,
including
organizations
that
participated
in
the
chart
project
we
found
overall
Indonesia.
You
know,
you
know,
say
it
differently,
but
I
think
they
were
in
it
for
the
hard
work
and,
as
I
said,
on
August
31st,
these
weren't
people
who
were
like
Kumbaya.
This
is
great.
We
are
all
the
same.
We
love
each
other.
A
That
was
not
what
we
heard,
whether
from
organizations
or
individuals
who
participated.
They
understood
most
of
them
that
the
truth-telling
part
of
this
was
painful
and
is
where
we
are
now
that
we're
not
at
reconciliation
that
the
truth
needs
whatever.
The
truth
is
your
truth.
The
truth
you
perceive
is
where
we
are
and
that
we-
and
we
see
this-
reflected
right
in
everywhere
right
now.
A
It's
tough
it's
hard
to
listen
to
people's
truths
sometimes,
but
we
found
that
there
was
not
only
a
diversity
of
views
within
organizations,
often
and
in
the
group,
but
that
people
thought
this
is
going
to
be
hard
and
it's
going
to
take
time
and
it
needs
to
be
deliberate.
It
needs
to
be
delicate,
it
needs
to
be
not
rushed
and
that
that's
the
way
not
only
that
you
get
to
places
where
there
may
not
be
an
agreement,
but
there's
Community
Building.
A
So
that's
what
we
heard.
We
didn't
hear
monolithic
answers
from
almost
anything,
so
we
couldn't
even
say
I
can't
we
we
need
that
when
we
met
even
with
an
organization,
they
were
all
on
the
same
exact
page,
but
it's
very
important
because
the
work
that
you
have
in
front
of
you
because
of
this
report-
and
we
think
that
the
report
really
States
this
and
reflects
it-
is
going
to
be
difficult.
A
Any
any
option
with
full
good
Monument
people
are
not
going
to
be
happy.
It
doesn't
matter
what
you
decide.
So
it's
almost
a
moot
point.
This
is
just
me
personal
saying
this,
because
community
building
has
to
happen
regardless
of
a
decision
that
you
make
about
soldiers
Monument,
because
somebody
is
not
going
to
agree.
A
So
how
do
you
build
the
connective
tissue
between
people
who
do
not
agree,
and
the
only
way
to
do
that
is
to
maintain
dialogue?
The
last
recommendation
in
this
report
is
for
a
very
robust
Department
of
Community
engagement.
It's
not
just
Outreach
it's
about
knitting
together,
a
community
of
people
who
do
not
have
the
same
views
and
doing
the
hard
work
that
it
takes
to
do
that.
A
D
And
the
truth
process
needs
to
be
on
hold.
You
know,
that's
something!
That's
another
thing
is
like
this:
the
idea
of
people
feeling
like
they're
not
heard
or
represented
that's
going
to
be
ongoing,
especially
in
Santa
Fe,
because
I
feel
like
we
are
studying
and
our
face
changes,
often
right,
we've
grown
and
we've
evolved
and
we're
constantly
evolving
we're
growing
and
people
are
going
to
need
a
platform
to
share
their
truths
throughout
that
journey.
I
think
this
experience
is
not
just
a
moment
in
time.
D
It's
it's
like
a
process
that
needs
to
continue,
and
we
have
a
lot
of
amazing
things
occurring
in
the
city.
It's
happening
in
the
future
that
we're
already
planning
towards
and
working
towards,
and
just
being
mindful
of,
how
do
we
allow
that
to
serve
this
purpose
of
continuing
creating
the
platform
for
the
many
colors
of
Santa
Fe
right?
That's
something!
That's
really
beautiful
about
our
cities.
The
many
people
understand
way
too
feel
free
to
share
their
truths
and
educate
community
members
and
what
Santa
Fe
is
for
them
and
what
they
need.
It.
B
D
So
I
value,
I
value,
the
truth
and
the
fact
that
every
single
subgroup
really
felt
like
the
city
didn't
represent
them
to
the
fullest
that
it
could
have,
or
they
didn't
feel
like
they
had
a
voice,
the
level
that
they
needed.
That
I
think
could
Define
everything
we
do
if
we
just
continue
to
listen
to
that
fact
and
that
truth
as
we
build
and
move
in
the
direction
that
we're
moving
in
so
I
want
to.
Thank
you
for
that.
B
A
You
thank
you
Mr
Mayor.
Thank
you,
mentioned
Miss
Martinez
Mr
I,
really
appreciate
that
incredible
with
us
today
and
I
appreciate
the
responses
to
the
questions
that
I
have
committed
foreign
I
guess.
Maybe
I'll
start
with
one
of
the
questions
I
had
submitted
in
our
handout.
A
It
is
on
page
six
I
think
and
this
this
kind
of
continue
some
of
the
dialogue
we
talked
earlier
regarding
the
community
Solutions
table,
because
that
is
that
is
the
the
solid
foundation
of
what
was
supposed
to
bring
Court
recommendations
to
us
in
regards
to
reviewing
the
data
collected,
taking
it
synthesizing
it
and
providing
recommendations
to
us
at
the
government
body
and,
and
so
with
that.
My
question
revolves
it's
for
folks
that
might
be
following
along.
It's
the
second
question
and
the
question
reads
through
it
for
a
requests.
A
It
came
to
the
Public's
attention
that
there
was
a
non-disclosure
agreement
for
Valerie
Rangel.
Who
is
the
sitting
historian
and
a
participant
in
our
whole
life?
Can
you
help
to
clarify
for
role
with
the
community
Solutions
table
and
so
go
back
to
say?
Non-Disclosure
agreements
signed
by
members
of
the
community
Solutions
table
did
not
and
does
not
exist.
A
Okay,
thank
you
for
clarifying
that
Valley
Rangel
participating
as
an
individual
met
the
requirements
to
be
considered
for
the
community
Solutions
table
I'm
going
to
stop
there,
because
the
rest
of
the
kind
of
just
goes
on
to
justify
why
she
was
selected.
A
I
I
have
very
very
deep
concerns
about
that
appointment.
Mr
Rangel,
in
my
opinion,
that
appointment
would
be
just
like
a
pointing
when
a
bus
with
the
counselor
or
Miss
kamiyama.
She
she
is
on
our
side
of
the
fence.
She
I
recall
she
even
participated
in
some
of
the
updates
to
us.
I
think
it
might
have
been
the
November
update
to
the
governing
body,
and
that
to
me
is
is
wrong.
A
She
she
has
major
influence
over
this
process
and
that
influence
could
have
been
exerted
over
the
participants
and
so
can't.
Besides,
what
you
stated
here,
can
you
tell
me
why
you
felt
it
was
justified
to
appoint
in
this
body
that
started
off
with
nine
individuals
shrunk
down
to
seven
out
of
the
thousand
plus
applicants,
blindness
Rangel
needed
to
be
there
versus
anybody
else.
D
A
My
question
to
you
is:
what
perspective
of
point
of
view?
Do
you
think
Valerie
Rangel
represents
that
you
think
would
have
unduly
influenced
the
community
Solutions
table
members.
It's
a
conflict
of
interest
of
the
perspective
of
the
public
and
and
from
my
own
personal
opinion.
Looking
from
the
outside
in
that
is
an
absolute
conflict
of
interest.
A
Because
hearing
from
a
participant
that
within
the
community
Solutions
table,
she
was
a
dominating
conversation
in
that
process
and
again
that
that
influence
that
comes
along,
sometimes
very,
very
disappointed
that
that
happened
it
there.
There
was,
as
you
mentioned,
1400
folks
that
participated
and
I'm
surprised
that
we
could
put
one
other
person
besides
Miss
Raphael
in
that
position,
because
it
allowed
one
more
person
from
the
community
to
participate
versus,
in
my
opinion,
an
absolute
conflict
of
interest.
So
you
were
not
present
at
the
community.
Solutions
table
deliberations
is
that
correct?
A
No
I
was
not,
but
I
spoke
with
somebody
who
was
so
so
I'm
just
wondering
so
again.
What
point
of
view
do
you
think
Valerie
Rangel
represented
on,
though
you
weren't
there
on
the
community
Solutions
table
that?
And
what
point
of
view
is
that
that
you
believe
unduly
influenced
these
deliberations
and
the
recommendations
in
this
report?
The
perspective
that
could
come
from
the
city
is
somebody
who
is
a
representative
of
the
city
should
not
have
been
participated
participant
in
the
community
Solutions.
D
A
Fact,
all
of
you
we're
invited
to
participate
in
every
aspect
of
the
chart
project
as
a
resident
of
the
city
of
Santa
Fe.
All
of
you
could
have
participated
because
your
perspectives
and
opinions
and
points
of
view
are
valid.
You
would
not
be
speaking
for
anybody
else,
because
that
wasn't
allowed.
We
didn't.
You
know.
People
spoke
for
themselves
during
this
project.
A
They
did
not
speak
for
for
anybody
else,
but
their
individual
point
of
view,
and
for
those
of
you
who
are
watching
and
don't
know,
Valerie
Rango
is
this
city
of
Santa
Fe,
historian,
I,
don't
know
if
her
terms
upwards
continues.
So
is
that
what
you're
saying
that
the
city
of
Santa,
Fe
historian
point
of
view
would
have
unduly
influenced
the
members
of
the
community
Solutions.
A
A
Just
like
everybody
else
and
she
consistently
participated
in
chart
activities
in
different
kinds,
not
only
dialogue.
So
if
you
would
like
to
discount
Valerie
rangel's
point
of
view,
then
who
others
should
we
discount
who
participated
consistently
in
the
chart
process?
And
why
so
I
would
say?
There
is
no
reason
why
we
would
disqualify
Valerie
Rangel
as
a
member
of
the
chart
process
or
any
other
participant.
You
are
looking
for
those
who
had
consistently
participated.
She
was-
and
she
is
an
indigenous
woman
who
consistently
participated
in
the
chart
process.
A
So
she
was
chosen
in
part
because
that's
she
shared
her
demographic
information.
Again,
we
were
trying
to
achieve
a
balance,
but
because
you
weren't
present
for
the
deliberations,
you're
sort
of
I
don't
know
as
a
secondhand
information,
but
we
can
assure
you
that
everybody
who
participated
in
the
community
Solutions
table
had
equal
time
to
speak,
disagree
with
each
other
and
shape
the
recommendations,
and
we
stand
by
that
process.
A
We
were
both
there
for
all
of
the
hours
of
that
deliberation
and
if
we
thought
there
was
any
undue
influence
by
anyone,
we
would
have
raised
that
as
a
concern,
and
that
did
not
help.
Thank
you
for
that,
and
last
on
that
point
is.
She
was
I
will
refer
folks
back
to
our
November
first
quarterly
briefing.
She
was
part
of
the
briefing
to
us,
so
that's
the
last
point
on
that
that
I'll
make
to
us
that
has
nothing
to
do
with
the
chart
project.
A
A
They
called
her
daughter,
Rangel
he's
explained
to
the
paper
they
and
the
editor
actually
took
the
reporter
off
of
the
chart
project
and
because
he
messed
up
so
badly.
Basically
in
doing
that,
and
they
never
actually
when
I.
A
B
A
Was
not
part
of
it,
it
was
they
meant
to
say
about
it.
Thank
you,
I
appreciate
that
clarification,
two
two
outstanding
questions,
and
maybe
one
of
census
for
staff
I'll
ask
it
later,
since
we
were
asking
questions
for
Charter
folks
now
one
of
the
questions
I
had
asked-
and
this
was
I-
had
asked
about
the
number
of
the
recommendations
that
came
from
the
community
Solutions
table
and
it,
and
it
came
back
that
there
was
21.,
so
I
I
would
put
forth
that
we.
A
When
we
improved
the
chart
process,
we
agreed
that
we
would
take
recommendations
from
the
community
Solutions
table,
that's
where
they
would
come
from
so
I
would
say:
we've
got
21
recommendations
to
move
forward
with
not
50,
plus
because
the
other
30
some
odds
aren't
coming
from
the
community
Solutions
table,
which
we
dictated
through.
The
resolutions
we
approved
I
I
was
only
able
to
find
19
going
through
this.
Can
you
help
me
identify
the
other
two
that
I
wasn't
able
to
identify
because
you
stay
on
truth.
A
And
maybe
I'll
work
with
the
Rocklin
to
get
this
answer,
but
I
only
found
19
that
came
from
the
community
Solutions
table
for
the
recorder.
If
you
can
help
me
identify
the
other
two
I
I
would
strongly
adjusted
again
and
body.
We
move
forward
with
post
21.
That's
what
the
community
Evolution
table
deliberated
and
recommended
everything
else.
Thank
you
for
the
work
on
the
matter,
but
I
think
we.
We
need
to
move
forward
with
the
recommendations
put
forth
by
the
community.
A
They
could
have
added
the
rest
of
them
to
it,
but
because
we
were
going
to
report
on
the
results
of
survey
2
based
on
the
data
they
wanted
to
concentrate
their
effort
on
the
21
that
they
articulated.
It
doesn't
mean
that
the
other
recommendations
were
not
created
by
all
of
the
people
who
participated
in
the
report.
So
I
would
argue
that
if
we
want
to
exclude
those,
then
you
are
excluding
hundreds
of
stories
and
voices
and
perspectives
of
the
people
who
devoted
their
time
voluntarily
through
this
project.
A
Work
and
we're
happy
to
talk
with
you
and
in
a
public
session,
hear
from
you
about
all
of
the
other
recommendations
based
on
this
body
of
data
that
you
would
like
to
be
the
Smith
for
no
good
reason.
We
might
have
you
Mr
Martinez,
that
take
for
their
objection
to
that
comment.
Saying
I,
don't
I,
don't
want
anything.
A
That's
not
coming
from
your
community
Solutions
table
to
be
considered
at
the
moment
by
no
means
am
I
dismissing
any
of
the
data
any
of
the
stories
you're
taking
my
time,
my
words
out
of
context
and
misconstruing
them,
which
is
wrong.
So
what
I'm
saying
is
because
the
community
Solutions
table
did
not
put
forth
a
recommendation.
A
We
can
take
that
information
and
talk
about
it
later,
but
we
need
to
focus
on
what
the
community
Solutions
table,
deliver
the
liberated
and
recommended.
That's
what
I'm
saying
I'm,
not
saying
any
information
should
be
disconnected.
Please
don't
listen
to
that
words.
Talking
about
the
survey
and
it's
a
question
in
care
regarding
the
responses.
A
I
I
find
severe
question
regarding
why
we
are
allowed
for
folks
to
provide
more
than
response
and
some
questions.
Some
are
not
it's
it's
or
calls
into
question
the
the
Integrity
of
the
survey
and
and
to
answer
that
for
your
last
question,.
A
B
A
Blair
did
give
me
a
heads
up
so
I
apologize,
but
with
that
being
said,
I
just
I
think
there's
still
lots
to
be
discussed.
We've
got,
in
my
opinion,
21
things
to
move
forward
with.
Thank
you
for
the
time.
Thank
you
for
coming
to
provide
additional
feedback
to
us.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you
all
for
joining
us
and
it's
it's
helpful
to
look
at
this
again
for
me.
A
There's
still
more
things
that
I
just
want
to
dig
in
I
think
that
appendices
I
didn't
learn
in
time
to
dig
into
and
I
think
when
I
look
at
the
recommendations
based
on
theme,
whether
they're
the
21
recommendations
from
the
community
Solutions
table
or
the
ones
that
have
come
out
from
the
community
process,
I
think
they're
all
valid,
especially
because
they're,
particularly
because
a
few
of
those
things
I
would
take
a
considerable
amount
of
the
recommendations
are
things
that
we
have
heard
in
the
community
already
they're,
not
new
information
they're,
not
new
recommendations,
they're
things
that
have
been
issues
for
a
while
they're
they're,
actually
things
that
haven't
been
dealt
with
and
in
our
community
and
and
I
think
they
need
to
move
forward.
A
So
I
think
that
I
think
it's
just
trying
to
distill
between
those
recommendations
is
is
going
to
be
hard
because
I
think
there
are
some
things
that
can
use
solutions
to
them.
We
we
need
to
there's
a
priority
level
there
and
then
there's
a
priority
level
for
some
of
the
things
that
we
need
to
undertake
and
I
guess
when
I
think
about
the
questions
and
I
want
to
review
the
questions
that
my
colleagues
submitted,
because
I
haven't
been
able
to
look
through
this
whole
document.
A
I
apologize,
you
didn't
get
my
questions
ahead
of
time.
Two
days,
I
already
talked
to
the
advantage
about
this
I
don't
know
two
days
is
not
two
and
a
half
days
is
not
enough
for
those
of
us
that
have
other
jobs
to
promote
questions
to
you
by
the
Friday
deadline.
So
I'm
providing
my
questions
today
and
I
think
I'll
yield
on
some
of
the
questions
I
had
about
Community
Solutions.
A
Do
they
think
you
answered
them
and
I'll
have
to
look
at
those
more
thoroughly,
I
think
what
I
was
trying
to
put
together
or
understand
a
little
bit
better
is
through
the
process
itself
and
whether
it
was
a
community
involvement
process
or
the
the
distillation
of
the
data
that
was
provided.
A
I
was
curious
how
Alexis
Kaminsky
kind
of
fit
into
the
picture,
because
we
haven't
heard
much
from
you,
but
I
know
you
were
the
the
main
evaluator,
so
I
guess
I
was
trying
to
would
love
to
hear
more
about
your
process
and
how
your
evaluation
role
was
integrated
into
it.
A
D
D
A
That
was
one
of
my
goals.
The
other
role
was
to
make
sure
that
there
was
a
The
Artful
life
was
reaching
the
diversity
of
Santa
Fe
that
Exodus
in
this
community.
So
looking
at
the
demographic
data
that
had
been
collected
to
identify.
D
Whose
voices
were
not
well
represented
and
then
Artful
life
took
that
information.
It
would
modify
their
Outreach
efforts
and
engagement
efforts
in
an
effort
to
really
try
and
bring
in
those
forces
that.
D
To
make
sure
that
the
again
the
questions
were
understandable
and
based
on
what
had
already
been
learned
and
to
further
document
a
broader
perspective
of
more
people,
because
there
was
some
concerns
that
the
qualitative
data
could
be
very
I.
D
To
either.
A
Substantiate
or
to
to
to
substantiate
or
to
invalidate
other
scientific,
been
said
in
the.
D
Past-
and
we
really
didn't
have
that
much-
it
was
a
very
interesting
how
the
quantitative
data
really
self-countable
Department.
A
And
do
you
do
your
kind
of
separate
evaluation
from
the
team
or
how
did
you,
how
did
it
function
like
practice,
the
practicality
I
guess
of
it,
for
you
did
you
communicate
with
the
team
about
your
evaluations
like?
Were
you
constantly
checking
in
or
how
to
do
your
own
kind
of
evaluation?
I
did,
but
my.
D
Own
work,
but
we
did
stay
in
an
Regular
communication
because
good
evaluator
you,
you
need
to
stay
in
contact
with
the
people.
A
D
Came
towards
the
end,
and
mostly
what
it
was
was
making
sure
that
all
the
documentation
that
had
been
collected
over
the
course
of
the
project
was
provided
and
making
sure
that
the
criteria
that
was
used
to
identify
potential
participants
was
robust
and
they
sent
a
strong
participation
and.
D
In
chart,
because
you
know
what
having
one
person
trying
to
make
sense
out
of
everything
and
end
up
being
very
narrow-minded,
so
I
had
a
few
other
people
from
the
chart
project.
Work
with
me
to
identify
the
recommendations
that
had
come
out.
A
A
The
program
called
reduced,
which
is
a
way
to
analyze
qualitative
data
that
is
very
rigorous
to
make
sure
that
the
themes
that
were
being
reported
on
were
actually
grounded
in
the
data
that
a
breadth
of
responses
were
presented
for
each
kind
of
theme.
B
A
The
other
question
I
was
curious
about
participation
in
the
various
platforms.
Were
there
any
staff,
City
staff
that
participated
in
any
of
the
any
engagement
activities.
A
We
hope
so
we
hope
so
we
did.
We
did
send
to
the
city
information
about
the
survey
and
different
things,
I've
gotten
for
them
to
send
out
to
the
list
of
city
employees,
but
of
course,
there's
a
big
number
of
City.
A
You
know
city
employees
here
and
you
know
that
hopefully
live
in
Santa
Fe,
but
we
don't
know
how
many
actually
participated
and
Valerie
runs
him
I
guess
are
are
just
surprised
that
that
became
a
hot
button
because
she's,
not
a
staff
person,
she's
she's,
pretty
much
a
punch
here
for
the
city
as
a
city
is
very
it's
a
contract
that
I
don't
even
know
this
term
of
that.
So
I,
don't
really
know
what
to
say
with
that.
I
I
actually
know
Valerie
as
a
planner
and
she's
a
really
good
one.
A
You
know
background
she's
indigenous
and
us
so
yeah,
I
guess
I,
don't
see.
The
I
was
quickly.
I
have
a
different
opinion
about
it.
From
my
colleagues
and
I,
don't
wasn't
there
I
wasn't
part
of
the
community
Solutions
table
so
I,
don't
really
know
what
the
dialogue
was
or
the
disagreements
or
people
feeling
like
there
was
an
imbalance
or
maybe
they
felt
like
it
was
balanced.
A
So
I
just
have
to
you
know
from
this
side
of
things
and
all
of
us
really
have
to
trust
the
process,
even
though
you
know
it's
like,
we
have
to
hope
that
everyone
was
included,
and
you
know
we
hope
that
everyone's
included
when
we're
on
that
Council
and
that
we're
representing
our
constituents.
Well
too.
So
that's
that's.
You
know.
Some
people
may
disagree
and
some
people
may
agree
with
them,
but
the
other
thing
I
was
curious
about
because
it
you
know
the
process.
A
I
told
you
all
in
the
last
meeting
that
trying
to
fit
a
process
with
Community
engagement
in
a
in
a
in
a
resolution
structure
that
may
be
restrictive
for
you
all
that
may
not
serve
the
public
as
well
as
it
could
be
as
if
it
was
separate,
and
you
all
decided
to
work
with
Community
groups
to
leave
this
process
instead
of
kind
of
a
government
structure.
So
I'm
curious.
A
A
I'm
just
wondering
if
you
could
lean
from
some
of
the
feedback
you
got
then
say
this
there's
plenty
of
I
think
we
all
know
ordinary
or
common
belief
that
bureaucracies
don't
do
a
good
job
of
this.
A
A
A
In
doing
this
work,
but
I
believe
that
we
did
what
Artful
life
has
been
committed
to
for
many
years,
and
we
did
it
Faithfully
I'm
not
saying
it's
perfect,
but
we
did
our
job
and
the
fact
that
we
did
this
as
a
contract
on
behalf
of
this
governing
body
feels
to
me
like
a
positive
thing
and
mayor
Weber
I
want
to
agree
with
you.
We
looked
at
these
processes
all
around
the
country
over
the
course
of
this.
A
We
did
not
see
a
process
exactly
like
this
anywhere
in
the
country
and
not
to
say
that
all
of
the
others
were
bad,
but
oftentimes.
The
decisions
about
their
monuments
were
left
to
politicians
or
elected
officials
or
or
they
were
taken
down,
and
we
just
had
to
deal
with
it.
So
the
fact
that
you
did
it
I
think
you
you
are
to
be
commended
and
we
did
it
our
way.
A
You
allowed
us
and
there
was
space
in
this
contract.
Every
contract
obligation
is
in
this
report
for
those
of
you
that
are
watching,
and
those
of
you
are
sitting
here,
every
single
one,
what
we
were
required
to
do,
how
much
the
community
Solutions
table
decisions
had
to
do
with
the
final
report,
which
is
stated
clearly
here,
didn't,
say
anything
that
only
those
were
to
be
taken
up
in
the
final
report.
A
We
followed
this,
but
we
did
it
the
way
that
Artful
life
does
its
work,
which
is
to
listen
to
the
people
and
to
present
what
they
have
to
say
as
a
collective
voice,
so
all
to
say,
with
all
the
disbelief
in
institutions
and
in
governing
bodies
and
in
bureaucracies.
We
believe
that
we
did
this
work
in
a
way
that
reflects
the
collective
voice
of
the
Santa
Fe
Community,
those
who
voluntarily
chose
to
participate.
That
is
a
sign
of
Hope.
If
you
do
not
take
up
these
recommendations,.
A
Would
be
really
sad
and
that
will
confirm
people's
some
people's
opinions
that
you
can't
believe
in
a
process
like
this.
That
was
inclusive
as
much
as
possible
in
12
months
and
has
given
to
you
the
recommendations.
That's
why
it's
so
important.
That's
why
I
get
emotional
accounts
with
Garcia
and
I'm.
A
Sorry,
if
I
do,
but
we
have
worked
very
hard
and
if
you
do
not
take
these
up
soon
and
act
on
them,
then
it
sends
back
a
message
to
the
community
that
you
really
don't
believe
in
this
process
of
listening
to
hundreds
of
people's
voices
that
you
think
that
has
to
be
flawed
or
it
has
to
be
political
or
it
has
to
be
bent
sort
of
point
of
view.
It
was
not.
A
Nobody
was
allowed
that
undue
influence,
because
everybody
had
equal
time
to
speak
and
people
had
to
listen
and
we
documented
all
of
it
and
that's
what
the
community
Solutions
table
was
responsible
for
reflecting
and
that
we
responsible
for
his
weapons
and
if
you
don't
believe
we
can
do
that.
Take
a
look
at
the
work
of
art
for
Life
over
the
years.
We
have
a
track
record
and
we
know
how
to
do
this,
but
please
encourage
people
to
believe
in
this
kind
of
community
engagement
process.
A
Thank
you.
I
think,
like
processes
like
these
are
quads
only
because
there's
a
human
element
to
it.
When
there's
a
human
piece
to
it,
then
I
think
it's
just
then
there's
different
there'll
always
be
different
perspectives
and
I.
Think
there
are
some
folks,
and
maybe
even
folks
in
the
governing
body
that
put
stock
in
with
this
possible
process
will
solve
all
issues.
I,
don't
know
for
all
of
us
thought
that
but
I
think
it's
really
just
it's
a
it's
one.
Step
too.
B
A
It's
a
bigger
piece
and
and
I
guess
what
was
clear
in
the
document
for
me
is
that
rare,
fractured
community
and
we
have
been
for
a
long
time
so
I
don't
know.
Okay,
I
will
be
these
because
there
were
some
things.
I
just
wanted
to
Clarity
on
with
a
question
and
yeah.
B
A
You
mayor,
thank
you
for
being
here
today
that
this
represents,
of
course,
a
man
with
the
amount
of
work
it
makes
my
dissertation
look
like
a
little
paper
booklet,
someone
put
together.
A
So
much
philosophical
that
I
think
that
I'm
not
sure
I
think
that
you
did
a
terrific
job
on
doing
what
you
were
asked
to
do.
I'm
not
sure
we
asked
for
the
right
thing:
I,
don't
know
that
that
I
think
you
completed
the
certainly
the
RFP
and
you
know
with
flying
cold.
But
I,
don't
know
for
sure
that
we
asked
for
the
right
thing.
A
We
had
1400
participants
and
I.
Don't
know
that
1400
participants
who
have
a
population
of
84,
000.
I,
don't
know,
and
you
said
today
that
people
had
didn't
participate
where
they
were
saying
awful
things.
We
we
completely
believed
you.
A
A
A
A
And
it
concerns
me
when
we
do
surveys
and
we
ask
people
their
opinions,
I
I,
don't
know,
but
what
there's
a
lot
of
that
process?
That's
flown
hay
water.
For
me,
it
worries
me.
It
worries
me
a
lot
because
I
do
know
that
the
people
have
said
horrible
things
to
you.
A
A
Were
put
forth
with
no
constraints
and
no
limits
to
implement
all
of
these
recommendations
will
be
tens
and
tens
of
millions
of
dollars
and
the
folks
participating
didn't
have
the
constraints
and
the
budgetary
considerations
that
the
folks
at
this
table
have
what
what
gets
funded
and
what
doesn't
get
funded
because
these
recommendations,
some
of
them,
are
extremely
expensive
so
that
some
of
them
don't
get
I
mean
there's
a
lot
of
them.
A
There'll
be
a
lot
of
them
that
don't
get
implemented
in
the
in
the
near
future
or
even
in
the
lawsuit
to
say
that
or
disregarding
what
the
public
said.
That's
not
really
I,
don't
think.
That's
true,
I,
really
don't
and
I
think
that
that's
a
a
little
harsh
on
this
Council.
We
held
an
awful
lot
of
considerations,
and
this
is
how
many
recommendations
to
to
consider
I
mean,
like
I,
said:
there's
tens
and
tens
of
millions
of
dollars.
A
I
think
that
one
of
the
things
for
me
is
it's
one
of
the
questions.
I
asked
and
I
was
referred
to
a
specific
page
in
the
report,
which
certainly
I'd
read,
but
until
we
addressed
what
we're
going
to
do
on
that
Plaza,
we
will
remain
in
from
tomorrow
and
continued
divisiveness
and
the
idea
that
people
are
going
to
agree
on
what
the
decision
is
is
laughable.
B
A
That's
phenomenally
sad,
but
I
think
that
that
has
to
be
addressed
or
we
continue.
The
care
of
them
will
get
greater
walking
on
to
the
plaza
and
seeing
a
box.
A
It's
gonna
be
a
very,
very
hard
decision,
so
my
my
I
don't
really
have
questions
one
or
more
comments.
I,
don't
know
that
in
the
recommendations
I
mean.
A
Some
of
the
areas
that
were
broken
down
into
I
mean
public
art
is
that
is
that
going
to
is,
is
that
we
already
have
a
pretty
sizable
commitment.
Is
that
what's
going
to
make
a
the
difference
in
this
community,
I
don't
know
in
the
facilitators.
A
I
think
kind
of
going
to
have
a
background
in
art.
I
mean.
Why
would
what,
of
course,
this
would
be
kind
of
art
directed?
It's
was
under
arts
and
culture.
The
name
of
your
company
is
Artful
life
and
I'm.
Just
saying
I'm
not
sure
that
we
asked
for
the
right
thing
and
I
don't
know
what
the
right
thing
was,
but
I
was
certainly
44
that,
on
the.
A
And
the
odd
oils
found
a
soldiers
Monument
on
the
Plaza
that
I,
don't
I,
just
I
I
would
have
liked
for
a
clearer
outcome
or
a
clear
charted
course
of
how
to
get
to
that
outcome.
So
moving
my
comments
mayor,
thank
you.
Thank
you
and
I'll
just
make
a
quick
response.
A
The
importance
of
couples
aren't
you
know,
one
of
the
reasons
that
public
art
has
highlighted
so
much
in
this
report
is
because
the
monument
actually
falls
under
public
art,
as
as
do
the
class
of
Martyrs,
so
the
rules
and
regulations
around
the
city
around
public
art
are
key
to
this
process
and
about
what
to
see
you
know,
can
and
cannot
do
with
public
art.
That's
really
key
and
also
how
to
just
be
a
session
in
public
art
is
a
big
thing.
A
On
top
of
that,
the
historic
preservation
also
the
rules
which
comes
also
under
arts
and
culture,
whether
it's
a
department
of
cultural
Affairs
in
the
state
you
know
or
here
might
be
suffered
here
in
the
city.
But
that's
why
that
is
so
key,
especially
if
you
want
to
focus
on
the
soldiers
Monument
that
department,
the
regulations
the
that
exist
are
are
key
to
what
you
can
and
cannot
do
to
remove
public
art
or
to
put
public
art
in
place.
A
So
I
would
just
say
that
that
is
really
a
key
piece
in
this,
and
that
information
is
available.
There
are
statutes,
you
know
in
lots
of
states
and
in
lots
of
cities
that
can
can
help
that
process,
but
it
needs
to
be
looked
at
and
really
gone
through.
What
was
the
process
for
the
assessioning
or
form
of
possession
in
public
art,
and
then
what
are
the
criteria?
Should
something
need
to
be
removed
or
something
actually
put
into
place?
That
is
new.
A
This
is
all
around
public
art
all
existing
which
in
the
department
of
arts
and
culture
here.
So
that's
one
of
the
reasons
that
public
therapy
is
so
important
as
part
of
this
process,
so
I
would
certainly
not
ignore
that
in
any
way,
shape
or
form,
and
that
can
happen
right
away.
I
think
our
City
attorney
is
true.
B
A
But
so
certainly
I
think
it
will
be
a
session
policies.
The
city
would
be
very
important.
It
is
not
clear
to
me
and
I'm
not
aware
of
any
source
that
says
that
the
monument
is
public
art,
publicity,
I
looked
into
those
customers.
A
And
I
don't
know
how
it's
possibly
enough,
already
they're
both
listed
in
the
cities,
the
list
of
the
city's
public
art,
both
those
are
where
yeah
and
there's
a
list
there's
on
the
website,
I'm
sure
I'll
link
them
for
you.
There
there's.
D
A
Of
I
think
47
objects
in
the
public,
art
collection
and
both
of
those
are
just
better.
So
whether
that's
incorrect
or
not,
but
that's
what
is
after
there
was
required
many
years
back,
a
survey
of
the
monument
Memorial
within
the
city,
and
that
is
one
of
them
they're,
not
necessarily
foreign.
A
In
the
city
well,
taken
and
I
quickly
had
some
back
and
forth
emails
recently
with
City
attorney
mcsherry
about
our
obligations
with
public
art
and
all
those
kinds
of
different
things.
So
it's
not
that
it's
new
or
being
ignored
and,
in
addition
process.
A
Thank
you.
My
questions
are
going
to
be
kind
of
big,
so
I'm
going
to
ask
you
to
be
as
succinct
as
possible.
So
if
you
get
a
minute
or
10
minutes.
A
One
quick
question-
and
this
may
be
for
the
City
attorney
just
to
characterize
the
plaza-
is
considered
a
chart
correct
bear
whether
it
helps
her
that's
correct.
Let's
put
the
city
park
correct,
okay,
yeah,
I
I
think
it's
important
that
people
know
that
I
want
to
focus
on
your
familiarity
with
the
data,
the
responses,
your
engagement
with
the
community,
your
knowledgeable
that
you've
collected
all
that's
here
in
this
report,
I'm
interested
in
how
we
tell
a
more
comprehensive
expansive,
Fuller
tale
of
our
city
and
the
people
who
make
up
our
community.
A
How
do
we
represent
the
various
lived
experiences?
How
do
we
capture
the
history
from
different
perspectives?
Recognizing
that,
depending
on
where
you
sit
or
sat
you,
the
the
events
that
have
transpired
in
our
long
very
long,
history
felt
different
were
experienced
differently
and
I'm
curious
kind
of
I
know.
That's
a
good
question
and
I'm
just
curious
in
this
public
meeting.
A
If
you
could
maybe
hit,
doesn't
have
to
be
a
comprehensive
list,
but
hit
a
few
things
that
you
think
might
be
important
for
us
to
consider
as
we
think
about
how
we
share
capture
present
more
varied
I'd,
say
if
you
read
the
introduction
to
this
report,
the
introduction
to
the
History
Section,
probably
the
introduction
to
the
halter
section
that
those
sections
of
the
report
were
very
carefully
articulated
to
do
exactly
what
you
were
saying
to
represent,
what
we
heard
and
to
do
that
in
the
context
of
history
in
the
context
of
the
history
and
current
population
of
Santa
Fe,
as
well
as
the
ancient
history
of
oga
pogay
Santa
Fe
after
colonization.
A
A
Just
curious
I
want
to
take
advantage
of
your
experience,
your
knowledge
here
but
I
like
to
say
that
you
know
one
of
the
things
that
we
heard
a
lot
was
people
want.
You
know,
places
to
share
their
stories
and
things
like
that
and-
and
you
know,
but
what
we
also
knew
is
there
already
exists
a
lot
of
cases
where
stories
are
shared
about
Santa
Claus,
whether
it's
Living
Treasures,
which
is
over
I,
think
150
Santa
fees,
which
you
know
a
lot
of
this.
We
tried
to
share
on
our
blog.
A
Where
were
the
repositories
of
those
that
that
already
that
exist,
that
maybe
people
didn't
know
about
it,
whether
it's
the
history
museum
or
the
archives,
the
you
know
a
lot
of
the
digital
ways
that
people
have
already
recorded
their
stories
and
the
histories
that
could
be
brought
together
or
the
community
could
know
more
about.
A
Encompass
many
of
these
things
you
know
together,
so
a
lot
was
actually
really
already
of
we.
A
But
a
lot
of
that
isn't
necessarily
known
by
you
know
quite
a
few
people
that
those
kinds
of
things
the
other
thing
was
understanding
the
difference
between
wanting
to
share
your
story
and
then,
of
course,
you'd
ask
who
want
to
share
it
with
you
know:
who's
going
to
listen
to
your
story,
but
this
idea
to
whose
stories
are
you
listening
to
you
know
it's
kind
of
it's
a
little
skewed
with
I
want
to
share
my
story,
but
I'm
not
really
going
to
listen
to
somebody
else's
story
in
that
way.
A
So
there's
this
learning
to
be
able
to
do
both
that
I
share
my
story
and
then
I
listen
to
your
story,
which
is
part
of
the
facilitation
process
that
we
did
so
that
we're
almost
doing
more
listening
than
you
are.
You
know
actually
understand,
and
you
know
we
did
try
to
include
also
in
our
blog
different
historical
perspectives
from
different
Santa
Fe
historians,
Andrew
Lovato,
others,
voices
of
Pablo
women.
You
know
so
we
tried
in
a
very
microcosm
to
begin
to
put
that
out
there
that
these
things
exist.
These
resources
exist.
A
These
Mutual
exist
this.
You
know
these
people
are
already
speaking
these
things,
but
they're
not
necessarily
coming
together
and
shared
out
that
all
of
this
you
know,
is
actually
really
out
there.
You
know
basically,
but
how
to
actually
visualize
that
to
a
placement
where
somebody
could
actually
go
if
they
wanted
to,
and
of
course
everybody
has
different
learning
styles,
someone
if
you're
in
person.
A
Online
some,
so
you
have
to
really
take
all
that
into
consideration
as
well.
So
I
want
to
read
a
book.
There's
tons
of
books,
we
shared
I,
don't
know
how
many
books,
25
or
30
your
books,
a
lot
of
them
on
the
Santa
Fe
industry
from
different
perspectives,
whether
the
French
history
of
New
Mexico.
You
know
if
the
Hispanic
here
is
very
native
American
food.
You
know,
so
we
were
trying
to
bring
them
together
in
the
cultural
history
series.
A
A
A
Can
you
talk
a
little
bit
in
in
this
report?
You
talk
about
an
office
of
equity
and
inclusion
and
I'd
like
to
just
elaborate
a
little
bit
about
how
you
think
that
could
help
us
with
reconciliation.
How
that
could
help
us
with
this
ongoing
work
as
I
see
it
I
I,
don't
think
I
think
it's
been
mentioned
here,
that
we
can't
possibly
do
all
these
recommendations.
They'll
cost
too
much
they'll.
Take
too
long
from
my
from
where
I
sit,
I
think
this
is
something
that
you're.
A
You
know
one
Monument,
whatever
we
do
or
don't
do
with
it
is
not
going
to
bring
reconciliation.
It's
not
going
to
fit
I
think
what
one
of
my
colleagues
called
our
fractured
Community
so
I'm
curious.
How
you
see
an
office
of
equity
inclusion,
helping
us
with
this
work,
which
we
may
never
stop
doing.
We
may
never
need
to
stop
doing
it.
A
I
think
this
is
ongoing,
important
work
that
we
need
to
continue
to
work
at
and
so
I
I
I'd
be
interested
in
your
from
your
experience
for
me
and
all
with
this
process.
A
That's
the
purpose
for
having
a
city
Department,
that's
dedicated
to
that,
whatever
you
want
to
call
it
that,
as
well
as
the
recommendation
for
Department
of
Community
engagement,
could
work
very
nicely
together,
because
addressing
issues
of
racism
and
inequity
also
addressed
in
this
report
is
also
about
Community
Building
a
community
is
the
people
who
live
in
it.
Now,
that's
what
a
community
is.
It's
every
person
and
Council
Wendell
I
hear
you
when
you
say
even
those
who
are
yelling
about
the
process
are
part
of
a
community.
A
Those
who
wish
to
take
part
in
community
building
are
the
ones
who
are
going
to
be
doing
the
hard
work.
People
who
don't
choose
to
participate
choose
that,
but
that
doesn't
mean
that
Community
Building
can't
happen.
You
cannot
build
a
community
without
truth-telling
and
the
acknowledgment
of
the
most
difficult
things
that
exist
in
a
community
racism
and
inequity
addressed
in
the
report
are
just
some
of
the
things
mentioned,
so
that
department
would
be
charged
with
that
not
only
sort
of
looking
for
where
it
exists,
but
hopefully
using
all.
A
Whatever
you
call
that
department,
that
is
what
that
department
would
be
charged
with.
And
again,
we
speak
with
the
mouths
that
everyone
encouragement,
that
that
is
our
perspective
here
and
because
it
just
came
up
all
the
time.
It
just
really
needs
to
be
a
pilot.
I
I'd
be
curious
if
you
can
point
to
particular
places
that
you
can
start
doing
it
well
and
I
won't
necessarily
put
you
on
the
hot
seat
now,
but
maybe,
as
a
follow-up
I
think
that.
B
A
I
also,
the
statement
about
the
stamina
didn't
stay
with
this
work
and
I.
Don't
think
you
meant
this
body
thing
was
this
worth,
although
maybe
maybe
you
did
I
I
think
actually
is
all
of
us.
This
whole
Community
particular,
and
certainly
some
of
your
recommendations,
I
think,
for
instance,
having
an
office
of
equity
and
inclusion
will
help
us
stick
with
this
world
continue
to
prioritize
it,
and
you
know
hopefully
give
us
that
someone
I
agree.
A
A
Thank
you.
Your
characterization
of
the
work
you
had
been
asked
to
do
with
I
think
an
understatement
in
the
whole
task.
It's
it's
in
my
experience.
Having
looked
at
other
cities
and
other
communities
where
they
did
do
Truth
and
Reconciliation
commissions
and
tried
other
models,
I
think
this
is
the
most
remarkable
leopard
I've
ever
seen
and,
as
you
said,
it's
not
perfect
and
more
than
you
can
pretend
to
be.
A
None
of
us
pretend
to
be
perfect,
but
pick
the
effort
and
the
intelligence
and
the
commitment
and
the
the
openness
of
spirit
is
really
what
our
time
demands.
This
is
the
work
of
our
time
right
now,
and
it's
not
just
the
word
for
Santa
Claus,
it's
the
work
of
our
country.
Now,
if
we
don't
want
to
fall
apart,
we
have
to
work
together.
A
I
I
only
have
10
minutes
too,
and
so
I
have
some
essay
questions
that
I
hope
can
turn
into.
You
know
brief
essay
questions
and
and
and
they're
really
looking
for
context,
because
I
think
a
report
like
this
is
not
a
paint
by
numbers
solution
document.
It
is
an
opportunity
for
more
questions,
more
dialogue,
the
beginning
of
an
ongoing
conversation
and
giving
us
guideposts
to
follow
so
I'm
going
to
ask
you
the
ability,
the
ability
we
can
to
help
me
unpack.
Some
of
these
troubling
findings.
A
There
are
two
very,
very
disturbing
surveys
results.
One
says
that
Santa
Fe
has
a
problem
with
racial
discrimination
and
just
about
everyone,
including
one
out
of
five
white
people.
Four
in
ten
Hispanic
people,
almost
one
out
of
the
two
African-American
residents
who
are
discriminated
against
at
the
other
finding,
is
that
fewer
than
50
percent
of
people
who
live
here
through
they
are
welcome.
A
A
Our
of
our
place,
these
are
really
troubling
to
the
distance.
Can
you
give
us
some
more
context
because
I
think
the
numbers
don't
explain
themselves
so,
can
you
give
us
additional
insight
into
how
to
make
sense
of
them
and
then
have
to
address
them
constructively?
A
It
exists
in
terms
of
the
the
final
report,
so
we
don't
argue
with
what
we
heard
so,
but
in
terms
of
how
you
address
that
again,
I
think
for
me
it
returns
to
community
building
and
again
to
Echo
the
707
menu,
and
the
stamina
is
that
communities
are
very
complex
and
so
the
to
address
that
is
complex
and
I.
Think
that's
why
the
recommendations
include
the
Department
of
Community
engagement.
The
department
that
addresses
racism
is
that
people
need
to
be
with
each
other.
That's
also
reflected
in
this
report.
A
People
wanted
more
Multicultural
events,
but
then,
in
the
survey
we
teased
out,
which
said
you
know,
do
you
want
more
opportunities
to
to
engage
with
people
who
are
different
from
you?
We
know
there's
plenty
of
research
that
shows
that
familiarity
with
people
who
who
have
very
different,
not
only
just
race,
ethnicity,
backgrounds,
but
also
even
political
points
of
view.
There
are
some
very
important,
important
work
going
on
in
this
country.
A
In
the
Midwest,
for
example,
I
can't
remember
the
exact
location
that
brought
together,
for
example,
Democrats
and
Republicans
across
from
different
I,
think
acrostate
boundaries
right
to
engage
in
dialogue
with
each
other.
There's
something
about
this.
We
are
the
ones
for
those
watching
who
asked
that
we
all
sit
at
the
table
like
this
with
each
other.
A
There
is
something
that's
not
only
symbolic
but
deeply
meaningful
about
sitting
around
the
table
where
some
people
have
to
hear
someone
feel
and
passion
and
telling
their
truth
and
US
listening
to
each
other,
who
that
is
deeply
humanizing
among
people
who
are
different
from
each
other
I
believe
in
not
only
this
work
but
I've
seen
it
in
Artful
life's
work,
which
is
just
to
clarify
about
art
and
Community
Development.
We
work
in
a
particular
way
in
the
art
sector.
The
discipline
is
about
Community
Development
through
the
Arts.
A
It's
the
reason
why
we
chose
artists
for
the
team
artists
with
experience
in
Community
Development.
The
arts,
for
example,
are
a
very
powerful
way
to
get
people
to
engage
with
each
other
because
to
create
even
a
small
work
of
art.
Together,
you
don't
have
to
agree
on
your
politics.
There's
something
about
sitting
at
the
table:
eating
with
people
eating
with
their
families
having
children
around
maybe
making
something
beautiful
together.
That
is
deeply
humanizing
and
deeply
meaningful.
That
can
be
achieved
through
dialogue,
but
sometimes
the
topic
of
a
dialogue
will
immediately
divide
people
in
a
group.
A
A
I
want
to
spend
some
more
time
with
those
two
particular
findings,
because
I
think
they
speak
to
the
part
of
the
matter
as
to
where
we
are
not
just
as
a
city
in
a
community
but
as
a
country,
and
if
we
want
to
be
better
than
and
more
exemplary
them
and
be
a
leader
in
addressing
this
time
of
national
falling
apart,
we
need
to
pull
back
together,
and
sometimes
it
takes
a
crisis.
To
make
that
happen.
A
Can
I
just
add
one
thing
we
did
have
people
participate
in
the
chart
process
who
have
very
strong
opinions
very
strong
and
have
been
public
about
those
opinions,
not
all
people
who
were
screaming
at
all
of
you
and
all
of
us
chose
not
to
take
part.
We
had
people
who
never
budged
in
their
opinion,
but
they
did
take
part
in
the
dialogues
and
they
were
not
in
those
dialogues.
Of
course
they
were
facilitated.
Well,
they
also
listen.
They
may
not
have
moved
in
their
opinion,
but
they
sat
at
the
table.
A
They
heard
each
other's
stories
and
they
sat
and
listened.
So
the
requirement
is
not
always
again.
This
resolution,
it's
about
being
with
each
other,
it's
about
engaging
with
each
other
I,
do
think
on
a
national
level,
even
though
it
may
seem
impossible
now
that
we
can
give
up
on
it,
but
there
are
demonstrated
ways
of
build.
A
You
know
nurturing
that
fabric
that
have
to
do
with
engagement
with
each
other
and
I
also
think
we
focus
as
a
governing
body
we're
very
conscious
of
our
desire
to
get
something
like
to
come
to
the
right
answer
and
I.
Think
what
I'm
seeing
in
this
report
is.
There
are
many
paths
to
reconciliation.
There's
not
one
right
answer:
it's
not
you're,
not
putting
this
report
in
a
toaster
and
waiting
for
the
answer
to
pop
out.
It's
not,
as
I
said,
a
paint
by
numbers
exercise.
This
is
a.
A
This
is
a
a
response
to
our
request
for
your
help
to
find
many
ways
forward
so
that
the
community
comes
together
and
we
facilitate
that
and
catalyze
that
it's
the
work
of
generations.
It's
the
work
of
people
following
us
in
these
jobs
and
the
people
who
will
follow
them
as
well,
just
as
sustainability
takes
place
over
decades,
Community
with
sustainability
takes
place
over
decades,
I'm
going
to
run
that
time
in
about
one
minute,
but
I
I
do
think
I,
don't
know
whether
you
have
any
appetite
or
capacity
to
do.
A
This
contextualization
I
think
the
numbers
we
come
back
to
the
numbers
and
the
data
and
the
voices
you
heard
and
I
respect
that
the
larger
question
for
us
is
her
newest
mayor.
Is
this
sense,
making
effort
to
see
beyond
the
data
to
see
through
the
data
into
what
the
stories
are
behind
the
data
that
people
are
trying
to
tell
us
I,
think
councilor
Chavez
says
people
want
to
be
sure
they
want
to
be
recognized.
A
They
want
to
be
seen,
and
maybe
racism
or
a
lack
of
belonging
is
a
feeling
that
also
means
I,
don't
feel
seen,
I,
don't
feel
respected
or
recognized,
and
that
ultimately
doesn't
just
boil
down
to
revoke
on
the
service
money.
It
becomes
a
City
pass
to
give
everybody
their
their
due
and
to
show
everybody
respect
and
not
call
anybody
out.
B
B
A
And
that
people
Express
a
lot
of
reasons
why
they
don't
feel
they
belongs
they're,
not
reflected
in
works
of
art
if
they
don't
feel
that
they're
heard
if
they
feel
that
loud
voices
dominate
The
public's
fear
that
their
voices
aren't
heard.
But
it's
also
about
safety
so
that,
if
there's
issues
of
equity
right,
there's
so
much
here,
but
also
safety-
and
we
heard
during
the
course
of
the
project,
people
who
were
afraid
to
State
their
point
of
views
loudly
for
because
they
were
going
to
be
yelled
down
or
they
were
going
to
be
critiqued.
B
A
Also
safety,
and
so,
if
you
don't
feel
safe
in
your
community,
you
don't
feel
like
you
belong.
So
there
are
many
reasons
why
people
Express
this
lack
of
belonging.
So
you
have
to
be
able
to
work
on
these
many
fronts
right.
So
it's
not
just
in
the
Arts
field,
you're
talking
about
housing
as
we're
addressing
the
report-
and
you
know
gentrification
all
the
things
that
came
up
in
that
survey,
two
question.
So
it's
you
have
to
have
the
ability
to
have
all
those
balls
in.
C
A
Air,
but
have
a
kind
of
philosophy.
The
reason
why
we
addressed
in
the
racism
section
that
the
department
of
you
know
Equity
inclusion,
whatever
you
want
to
call
it,
it
would
be
best
if
Santa
Fe,
just
honestly
acknowledged
that
it
has
a
problem
with
racism
and
discrimination.
Now
somebody
told
me,
after
that
that
couldn't
actually
do
that
necessarily
in
the
mission
and
focus
in
the
department,
because
you
could
get
into
legal
trouble
for
saying
that.
A
A
It's
toxic
I
think
we
have
the
opportunity
and
we've
shown
the
capable
of
doing
it,
of
meeting
the
challenge
and
acknowledging
our
mistakes,
not
just
current
mistakes,
but
the
mistakes
of
the
past
and
not
getting
into
what
a
friend
of
mine
calls.
The
Olympics
of
suffering
I'd
like
to
acknowledge,
there's
been
enough
suffering
to
go
around
now,
it's
time
to
move
to
human
and
a
sense
of
a
better
future
for
our
kids
and
your
report,
I
think,
is
really
an
important
Milestone
and
I
appreciate
you.
Taking
on
these
challenge.
A
A
We
could
do
another
round
or
we
could
talk
to
each
other
and
discuss
some
of
the
takeaways
that
rise
to
the
surface.
As
a
governing
body,
we
haven't
had
a
dialogue
among
each
other
who
addressed
everything
toward
our
consultant
advisors
and
unpackers.
It's
not
a
public
heresy,
so
the
the
challenge.
Now
it's
a
choice
for
the
revenue
body.
We
can
spend
some
time
addressing
whatever
Rises
to
the
surface
for
each
of
us
for
the
next
hour.
We
have
a
hard
stop
at
four.
A
The
purpose
would
be
to
do
another
one,
one
more
time
around
I'm
open
to
that
as
well.
I,
don't
really
have
a
game
plan
for
having
to
best
use
this
time.
I
do
believe
that
we
are,
as
has
been
said,
and
we
all
agree,
I
think
we're
challenged
to
take
action
and
finding
our
way
forward
is
the
next
story
of
business
and
doing
that
collectively
you
don't
get
a
chance
to
do
that
other
than
even
public
meeting,
because
we
would
violate
the
open
meetings
law,
who
didn't
do
it
collectively
in
the
public
and
transparent
way?
A
Let's
start
a
dialogue
among
ourselves
and
you're.
Welcome
to
you,
don't
have
to
suddenly
excuse
yourselves,
but
I
think
if
they
wanted
to
have
a
dialogue
with
each
other
in
public
in
the
transparent
and
open
way.
We
have
an
hour
to
talk
to
each
other.
That's
a
weird,
a
rare
gift
when
you
have
an
hour
to
just
talk
to
each
other.
B
A
Well,
I
also
we
did.
We
were
very
good
about
holding
as
much
as
possible
every
10
minutes,
but
if
you
said
everybody
gets
seven
and
a
half
minutes
of
summarize.
Let's,
let's
try
to
do
that.
That's
a
great
model,
it's
just
whatever
your
thoughts
are
from
book
from
today's
interaction,
but
also
moving
forward.
How
you
will
see
some
next
steps
am
I
timing,
this
still
or.
B
A
D
C
So
you
know,
one
of
the
pieces
of
conversation
has
been
how
there
are
so
many
recommendations
here
and
how
do
we
possibly
start
to
you
can
take
them
on
a
couple
things
that
I've
noticed
in
in
reading
the
report
and
reading
the
recommendations.
One
to
me,
it
looks
like
there's
a
lot
of
crossover,
and
so,
while
there
might
be
with.
A
C
Already
doing
we
just
need
to
be
looking
at
how
we're
doing
it,
and
so
there
were
these
conversations
that
came
up
about
the
general
plan.
Well,
guess
what
we
already
found
with
that?
That's
something
that
is
moving
forward.
We
just
had
conversations
about
that
and
quality
of
life,
and
this
timing
is
is
really
perfect
in
the
sense
that
now
there
is
this
inflammation
that
really
can
start
to
feed
that
and
exactly
I've
had
conversations
Economic,
Development
and
advisory
committee
I
apologize
for
my
alphabet.
C
Soon
we
have
had
conversations,
but
as
the
department
Stacks
up
that
we'll
be
moving
forward
with
looking
at
the
economic
development,
strategic
plan
for
the
city
and
a
lot
of
what
I
was
hearing
almost
underneath.
A
C
Disciple
issues
that
are
very
challenging
that
we
are
seeing
Nationwide
of
this
placement
of
lack
of
opportunity
or
inequitable
opportunity
that
that
seems
to
me
kind
of
really
really
came
out
and
that
the
information
in
this
report
does.
C
That
we
are
taking
this
lens
as
we
go
about
the
business
of
the
things
that
we
would
normally
be
doing
the
art
and
public
places
as
well.
We
will
be
discussing
a
budget
adjustment
today
that
would
put
money
into
each
district
for
art
and
public
places,
and
so
for
me,
I
think.
What
was
kind
of
encouraging
is
that
there.
C
Move
in,
and
so
how
do
we
start
to
take
this
information
and
these
Concepts
and
and
put
them
in
the
office
of
the
diversity
at
the
end
of
conclusion,
equity
and
inclusion?
You
know
for
the
various
names
that
it
has
I
think
that
that's
a
really
interesting
concept
and
and
an
important.
B
C
How
I
sought
praise
in
the
report
was
more,
you
know,
taking
a
look
at
specific
events
and
and
histories,
but
I
almost
see
this
as
a
as
a
way
that
we
might
be
able
to
bring
in
a
mechanism
that
we
could
bring
in
expertise
in
this
area,
and
it
not
just
informs
some
of
these
outward
facing
events
activities,
but
also
be
a
resource
internally
in
the
city
in
in
the
things
that
we
do,
and
so
as
we
explore.
C
Potentially
the
development
of
this
office
of
the
you
know
how
we
would
look
at
Community
engagement.
We
do
have
a
community
engagement,
Department
right
now
and
and
how
we
are
looking
at
how
that
functions.
It
is
a
new
department,
so,
of
course,
there
will
be
tweets
that
we
will
need
to
make,
but
that
the
community
engagement
piece
can't
be,
and
the
diversity
and
equity
and
inclusion
can't
be
siled
to
one
Department
in
our
in
our
government,
because
really
these
issues
are
hitting
across
the
city,
I
mean
when
we're
doing
updating
our
sustainability
plan.
C
C
I
I
also
started
to
think
about
kind
of
these.
You
know
opportunities
for
conversations
and
where
we
already
need
to
have
investment
where
we
already
to
have
the
infrastructure
of
where
other
places
that
we
can
be
pulling.
These
things
in
the
library
always
does
such
great
programming
but
I
think
recently
people
come
to
a
library
program
and.
B
C
They
leave,
how
do
we
start
to
bring
people
in
and
then
keep
them
there?
Usually
it's
food,
that's
to
keep
people
in
places
and
that
that's
you
know
they
come
listen
to
these
tenants
like
what
are
people
looking
for
and
people
are
looking
for,
connections
and
they're
looking
for
community,
and
it
will
continue
to
be
a
challenge.
I
mean.
If
we
talk
about
history,
part
of
histories
that
we
have
to
learn
from
it,
we
will
always
be
crafted
in
some
way
shape
or
form.
I.
C
Don't
think
that
there
is
an
example
in
history
of
a
community
that
does
not
have
some
type
of
fracture.
The
question
becomes:
how
deep
is
that?
How
insurmountable
is
that,
and
how
do
we
help
to
address
it
when
it,
it
occurs?
C
C
Think
that
that
is,
that
is
crucial
and
the
the
role
of
where
government
comes
in
and
again
I
think
that
if
we
do
a
good
job,
this
is
office
of
diversity,
activity
and
inclusion,
and
really
getting
some
experts
who
who
are
in
this
field
and
truly
understand
kind
of
what
this
work
looks
like
and
the
fact
that
it
is
not
it's
messy
and
I
mean
that
in
a
van
Gogh,
beautiful
painting
sort
of
way,
not
in
a
my
child's
room
this
morning,
sort
of
way.
C
What
we're
already
doing,
because
there
are
calls
to
action
that
are
already
happening
and
I
think
that
we
need
to
be
looking
at?
Where
are
we
not
addressing
these
issues
and
the
actions
that
we
are
already
taking
and
then
how
do
we
bring
in
our
Community
Partners?
You
know
it's
really
interesting.
These
kind
of
cultural
events.
C
These
we
support
other
organizations,
Fiesta
does
not
put
on
Vienna
to
put
on
by
the
PS
account,
so
they
spend
all
year
creating
this
incredible
communities
as
Oprah
and
and
Dia
de
los
Muertos,
and
all
of
these
are
really
put
on
by
other
other
organizations,
and
so
the
question
is:
how
do
we
partner
with
those
Community
organizations
if
they
do
not
feel
that
they
have
a
mechanism
by
which
they
can
be
publicly
sharing
their
culture?
C
How
do
we
plan
them
and
work
with
them?
I
think
my
timer
just
went
off
so
I
will
email.
Thank
you.
Thank.
A
You
very
much
so
appreciate
the
information
in
the
dialogue
that
we're
having
here
today,
because
I
think
that
you're
right
without
us
all
being
here
together,
we
can't
express
not
only
our
point
of
views,
but
what
we
see
is
what
we've
grabbing
the
information
that
was
presented,
but
also
that
of
what
we're
getting
from
our
community
institutions
of
people
that
live
here
and
I'm.
The
first
to
always
say
that
change
is
not
an
optional
event
in
our
society.
A
Change
happens
how
we
adapt
to
change
and
how
we
do
it
to
respect
and
to
to
include
people
and
and
the
people.
There
was
a
lot
of
conversation
here
about
enthusivity,
and
it
almost
seems
as
if
I
wish
it
wouldn't
even
be
in
this
situation
with
what's
happened
to
ourselves
and
and
yet
we're
we're
here,
trying
to
figure
out
what
are
we
going
to
do?
A
and
it's
including
me:
what
do
we
listen
to?
What
do
we
do
on
behalf
of
our
community,
because
that's
when
we
represent
our
community,
the
majority
of
people
that
speak
to
me?
Are
that
put
it
back
the
way
it
is
one,
that's
changed
from
things
to
make
it
more
abusive
to
people,
and
some
of
these.
These
questions
have
enough,
and
so
you
know
who
are
we
trying
to
achieve
by
either
doing
something
completely
different
with
it
or.
A
And
so
I
look
at
it
also
from
a
very,
very
historical
aspect,
in
the
fact
that
we
are
in
Old
City
and
it's
a
part
of
us
for
the
last
200
plus
years,
and
so
that
being
said,
we
are
at
the
Museum
and
our
past
is
our
presence,
because
that's
who
we
are
and
when
you
bring
people
to
Santa
Fe
and
you
love
Santa
Fe
for
its
cultural
loss
of
their
example.
Everything
that's
happening
here,
and
yet
it's
starting
to
keep
starting
tingling,
and
on
that
you
know.
A
That's
where
I
kind
of
have
issues
I
Heard
mention
our
monuments
are
because
of
the
martyrs,
our
statutes,
everything
that's
in
this
city,
I
just
heard
it.
Those
could
be
on
the
table
for
us
to
at
some
point
change
because
of
a
direction
that
we
might
be
listening
to
here
now.
A
I
believe
that
everybody
should
have
the
proper
input,
because
different
perspectives
obviously
always
just
become
to
the
best
possible
solution,
and
if
we
can
agree
to
disagree
but
choose
to
move
forward
in
the
way
that
is
what's
best
for
our
community
I
think
that
we
have
a
lot
of
work
to
do
and
I.
Don't
necessarily
feel
that
if
we
listen
to
those
that
part,
the
loudest
is
always
the
right
solution.
A
A
lot
of
time,
the
sun
and
majority
is
really
important
lines
and
I
mean
what
would
happen
if
we
were
to
take
this
decision
to
the
public
key
choices
on
the
next
ballot,
build
it
back,
replace
it
I,
don't
know
who
would
show
up
to
vote
for
that
and
again
here.
We
are
with
this
very,
very
difficult
decision
to
make.
A
However,
I
think
it
is
time
that
we
get
moving
on
this,
because
we
need
to
make
a
decision
and
I
want
to
be
a
part
of
that,
and
then
we
obviously
I
am
that's.
Why
I
was
elected
into
office?
A
Go
now
and-
and
you
know,
I
I
just
really
feel
that
I
appreciate
the
report.
A
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
valuable
information,
that's
in
there
and
you
take
a
report
for
the
information
that
again,
but
you
also
have
to
listen
to
to
the
overall
consensus
of
our
of
our
people
that
we
have
lived
in
this
city
for
Generations
upon
Generations
and
they
have
a
voice
too
and
a
lot
of
times,
they're
very
timid
in
in
being
involved
in
processes
like
this,
because
again
they
feel
well
I'm,
not
not
going
to
go,
participated,
I'm
not
going
to
be
hurt,
it
happens
in
voting.
A
A
I
I,
you
know,
obviously
realize
that
we
live
in
such
a
diverse
area
from
the
Native
Americans
Provost
surround
us.
I
grew
up
almost
90
Pueblo,
just.
A
A
name
of
all
they're,
all
my
brothers
and
sisters,
and
so
you
know
getting
their
information
and
input,
is
really
valuable
to
me
as
well,
not
just
in
in
an
understanding
the
the
whole
issue
of
art
and
how
it
affects
us
in
our
daily
lives
and
so
I
think
I've
said
a
mouthful
almost
seven
minutes,
but
but
I
think
dialogue
is,
is
definitely
important.
A
I
I,
realized
and
I
hope
that
everyone's
voices
are
heard,
and
it's
time
it's
time
to
make
a
decision
on
this
and
and
move
forward
with
what
we're
going
to
do
with
that
soldiers,
monument
and
and
statues,
and
and
how
we
we
listen
to
our
community.
With
that
all
the
interview.
Thank
you.
Thank.
B
D
You
you
know
the
idea
of
this
office
of
equity
and
inclusion
and
I
would
add.
Accessibility
is
really
something
that
stands
out
to
me,
because
we
keep
hearing
about
how
there's
a
lot
of
recommendations
there's
been
recommendations
that
I
think
as
a
governing
body
as
local
government.
D
We
have
to
act
on,
but
I
also
think
that
there's
recommendations
that
we
need
to
sit
in
this
office
because
it
would
help,
but
it
would
help
us
navigate
most
appropriately
in
the
community,
we're
representing
and
making
the
decisions
for,
and
now
you
say,
accessibility
because
I
think
there
are
other
groups
that
we
haven't
heard
from.
Like
are
you
our
seniors?
Are
disabled
and
I
think
that
we
can
transform
and
move
in
a
direction
that
promotes
a
Santa
Fe
for
them
more
appropriately
I?
D
Also
in
regards
to
the
monument
this
idea
of
Multicultural
and
culturalism
I
think
as
Leaders,
we
have
to
confess
to
the
fact
that
we
are
not
proficient
and
Multicultural
them.
I
think
it's
something
that
is
very
hard
to
be
proficient
at
in
understanding
and
I
will
say
as
born
and
raised
in
Santa,
Fe
I
thought.
I
knew
Santa,
Fe
I
thought
everything
about
Santa,
Fe
I
thought
that
you
know
these
are
my
roots
like.
How
can
anyone
know
more
than
me
Lauren
and
raise
my
parents
were
born
and
raised?
D
My
family
has
a
deep
history
here
and
then
I
was
put
in
a
community
that
completely
redefines
Santa
Fe.
For
me,
it
was
a
silence
Community,
it
was
a
community
I
had
to
learn
to
serve
and
I
had
no
idea.
It
existed.
The
way
that
it
did
I
had
no
idea
how
ignored
and
underrepresented
it
was
because
I
had
a
pickup
for
that
as
a
community
leader
within
that
community,
and
so
I
hear
like
the
50
50
when
like
comparing
like
the
thoughts
on
the
monument
are
50
50,
but
about
the
other
portion.
D
That's
completely
silenced
because
it's
not
significant
to
them,
and
so
it's
it's
just
so
important
and
I
keep
hearing
councilwoman
Renee
priel,
who
probably
the
most
efficient
in
multiculturalism
than
if
anyone
I
know
talking
about
this
office
having
no
exist
separate
from
government
in
this
way,
if
at
all
possible
and
I
agree,
I
feel
like,
then.
D
The
reason
why
I
asked
about
Community
Partners
earlier
was
because
of
the
fact
that
the
Community
Partners
that
we
have
in
Santa
Fe
represent
the
different
subgroups
that
we
have
they've
built,
trust
and
they've
done
the
work
already.
That
would
be
very
challenging
for
us
to
do
and
would
prolong
any
healing
process.
D
D
So
we
are
representing
those
who
have
no
voice,
so
this
represents
people
that
voice
the
whole
time
that
I
look
at
those
data
points,
I'm
thinking
about
my
community
that
I
served
as
a
school
leader
and
none
of
their
voices
are
represented
in
there
and
it's
not
because
of
anyone
doing
any
harm
or
not
doing
things
appropriately
or
not
being
intentional.
It's
just
because
they
don't
even
have
roots
in
Santa
Fe
yeah
to
have
a
voice
like
we
haven't
set
that
up
for
them.
D
They
wouldn't
know
what
to
choose
or
not,
because
they
haven't
defined
their
past
present
and
future.
In
this
city
we
haven't,
provided
that
opportunity
and
I.
Don't
know
how
you
know:
I
lean
on
Community
Partners
at
the
support
leaders
do
that
I.
Let
them
guide
me
and
I
think
that's
what
we
need
like.
We
need
to
be
vulnerable
in
the
sense
that
we
don't
know,
because
we
don't
know
every
subgroup.
D
We
don't
have
the
understanding
of
multiculturalism
to
necessarily
even
lead
the
action
completely
with
all
recommendations,
and
we
need
to
know
that
so
we
could
be
properly
led
by
people
that
do,
unfortunately,
which
is
kind
of
like
the
light
at
the
end
of
the
tunnel.
For
me,
is
we're
rich
in
those
Partners
like
we
are
incredibly
rich.
D
I
asked
about
alignment
because
the
challenge
with
the
partners,
if
they're
not
alone
and
they're,
but
there
is
a
beauty
and
an
opportunity
that
comes
with
that,
because
I
think
it
shines
light
that
it's
not
going
to
be
just
one
path.
We're
gonna
have
to
create
multiple
paths
and
multiple
responses
and
a
diverse
set
of
opportunities
to
meet
those
diverse
needs
of
Santa
Fe.
D
D
So
just
empathizing
on
that
I
really
I
really
and
I.
Really
just
want
us,
as
a
governing
body,
to
reflect
on
that
fact.
Sanity
is
incredibly
diverse.
Our
communities
celebrate
their
culture
in
the
most.
D
Ways,
but
just
because
we
see
these
celebrations
or
we
participate
in
these
celebrations,
we
do
not
know
what
their
culture
means
for
them
and
that's
a
that's,
a
very
unsettling
fact:
when
we're
having
to
make
decisions
to
represent
those
cultures,
and
so
are
we
the
ones
who
make
those
decisions
or
do
we
create
something
that
could
work
with
the
people
that
are
the
right
people
to
make
those
decisions
for
our
community,
and
so
that's
where
I'm,
at
and
kind
of
this
idea
of
an
office
and
really
taking
on
these
recommendations
and
heading
in
a
direction.
D
We're
gonna
have
to
lean
on
the
experts
and
I'm,
not
sure,
if
they're
in
this
room
collectively,
because
it's
the
communities
that
kind
of
defines
what
that
is,
so
they
get
this
for
us.
Thank
you.
Thank.
A
You
Joseph
thank
you,
Mr
America
and
I'll
begin
with
download,
with
Professor
Chavez,
that
presenting
the
office
of
diversity,
activity.
Inclusion
as
much
I
mean
it's
something
that's
the
one
to
be
around
has
been.
That
needs
to
be
done
since
that
we've
started
in
here
and
I
I.
Think
that's
what
we
need
to
get
our
own
understanding.
What
this
framework
looks
like,
where
it's
going
to
sit,
because
it
can
serve
two
purposes.
Obviously
we're
right
now
we're
focusing
on
the
external
purpose,
how
it's
serving
the
public,
but
we
need
to
ensure.
A
We
also
have
that
internal
Focus
as
well
and
and
so
I
think
we
need
to
begin
to
look
at
the
framework
and
implement
this,
and
maybe
we
can
get
this
pushed
through
in
the
next
year's
budget,
where
we
begin
to
develop
whether
it's
strategizing
putting
money
into
strategize.
What
it
looks
like
I,
don't
I
have
no
idea
but
I'm
happy
to
work
with
anybody
that
wants
to
figure
out
how
we
stand
up
this
office.
A
A
What's
going
on
with
the
monuments
and
statutes
it's
testing,
as
Council
woman
be
around
said,
we
are
fractured
and
the
fraction
fracture
only
continues
day
by
day
by
day
that
we
don't
do
anything
and
when
that
box
is
on
the
Plaza
and
monuments
and
statue
will
continue
to
be
vandalized,
I
mean
recently
the
cost
of
the
martyrs
twice
in
one
weekend,
Kit
Carson,
just
within
the
past
month.
That's
when
we're
going
to
continue
until
we
as
a
community,
see
we're
not
going
to
tolerate
that
anymore.
A
Then
we
as
the
community
leaders,
need
to
stand
up
and
say
enough
is
enough.
We
hear
everybody,
let's
bring
together,
bring
people
together
collectively
and
address
these
issues,
and
so
I
think
it's
a
big
task.
How
do
we
figure
out
how
we
move
forward
with
soldiers,
monuments
I'm
glad
to
hear
today
that
we've
determined
its
video
Madam
City
attorney?
Can
we
agree
100
on
that?
Oh
okay,.
A
But
that's
the
only
information
I
have
zero
contradictory
sources
of
information.
Okay,
and
the
only
reason
I
ask
is
because,
when
prior
governing
bodies
was
faced
with
this
challenge,
some
you
know
nearly
50
years
ago.
A
Their
opinion
was
different,
that
it
was
state-owned
and
that's
why
they
couldn't
take
the
actions
that
they
wanted
to
take
back
then
so
I'd
want
us
to
ensure
that
we
are
confident
in
whatever
direction.
We
move
that
we
we
know
ownership
because
I
think
for
us
to
go
down
a
path
with
the
frame
of
reference
that
you
think
the
city
owns
it
and
then
there's
lawsuits
that
will
counter
that
and
potentially
put
us
back
at
square
one.
A
So
I
think
whether
it's
going
back
and
looking
at
historical
records,
I'm
sure
we
can
figure
that
out
who
owns
it.
But
that
needs
to
be
termed
that's
a
priority.
I
think
that
that
is
an
answer
that
needs
to
be
before
we
even
move
forward,
and
if
we
can't
get
that,
then
we
can't
move
forward
and
I
think
the
public
needs
to
understand
that.
A
I
I
wish
we
had
folks
that
that
were
critical
players
come
to
the
table.
A
Why
folks
are
giving
their
their
position
on
why
the
monument
should
stand
up?
Why
it
shouldn't
and
I
think
that's
what
I
was
hoping
would
come
through
this
process?
I
was
hoping,
you'd
have
folks
come
in
publicly
people
would
be
aware
of.
Oh
this
is
why
they're
so
adamant.
It
needs
to
stay
up.
This
is
why
they're
so
adamant
that
it
needs
to
come
down
and
I.
Think
that's
not
what
happened.
We
had
a
lot
of
conversation.
B
A
A
A
I
I
urge
us
that
the
body
to
figure
out
how
we
continue
this
press
moving
that
ball
forward.
If
that
means
commissioning
a
new
process
to
determine,
I
will
move
that
or
his
counselor
Garcia
said
we
would
punt
it
to
the
voters.
We
need
to
figure
out
what
that
looks
like
with
that
Miss
Martinez,
Smith
Garrett
was
graminsky,
I,
really
think
your
time
and
effort
and
the
rest
of
the
the
facilitators.
A
A
Actually,
that's
a
good
point,
also
Garcia,
and
maybe
you
can
answer
that
because
we
did
see
people
say
they
wanted
it
back
the
monument
to
keep
the
monument
or
rebuild
it
or
remove
it
completely.
God
bless.
So
did
we
have
responses
as
to
why,
like
the
reasonings
behind
people's
opinions
about
that
yeah,
that's
in
the
report
like
in
detail
about
yeah.
A
85
is
a
section
on
soldiers
along
the
north.
It's
also
for
computer
recommendation,
so.
B
A
Ids
these
numbers
is
that
what
you
mean
there
well
in
the
report?
If
you
look
at
page
86,
it
says
in
terms
of
the
two
most
favored
options:
33
percent
of
respondents
recommend
replace,
what's
left
of
the
monument
with
something
else.
This
opinion
is
reflected
in
the
data
collected
before
the
second
survey.
Reasons
for
taking
this
stand.
Coalesced
around
the
following
soldier's
Monument
was
created
and
erected
during
the
time
of
the
Indian
Wars
and
its
accompanying
language
reflects
the
racist
attitudes
and
actions
that
led
to
the
enslavement
and
genocide
of
indigenous
people.
A
Second
point:
the
phrase
quote:
Savage
Indians,
unquote,
regardless
of
being
scratched
out,
is
so
offensive
that
even
its
echo
or
memory
should
have
no
place
in
this
or
any
other
public
place
in
the
city
or
county
of
Santa
Fe.
As
one
chart
participant
articulated
this,
the
quote
any
word
or
any
part
of
history
that
hurts
someone
or
their
race
should
not
be
flaunted
in
any
way.
A
Another
31.68
percent
of
respondents
recommend
quote
restore
the
monument
with
its
original
signage
and
add
language
that
encourages
it
to
be
fully
understood
and
assessed.
End
quote:
original
signage
includes
the
language
of
a
poor
1867,
marble
tablets
with
quote
to
the
heroes
who
have
fallen
in
the
various
battles,
with
the
Savage
Indians
of
the
territory
of
New
Mexico
in
Polk
during
public
dialogue.
Most
participants
who
recommend
with
this
option,
were
aware
that
the
original
language
was
problematic
and
or
offensive
and
or
racist.
A
Even
so,
they
cited
the
following
reasons
for
choosing
this
option:
soldiers,
Monument
honors,
Hispanic
and
Pueblo
veterans
who
sacrificed
their
lives
in
the
war
to
end
black
slavery.
The
monument
represents
relationships,
a
quote
Brotherhood
end
quote,
as
several
chart:
participants
articulated
it
between
Hispanic
and
Pueblo
peoples.
A
History
should
reflect
quote
The
Good
the
Bad
and
the
Ugly,
and
quote
as
one
sharp
participant
wrote,
including
the
original
1867
signage,
with
new
contextual
language,
allowed
residents
and
visitors
to
simultaneously
engage
with
the
complexity
of
the
monument
and
acknowledge
why
many
find
it
offensive
and
just
as
indeed
earlier
restoring
the
monument
in
the
contextual
signage
will
promote
true
feeling
and
Reconciliation.
It
is
also
important
to
note
that
for
most
Folgers
Monument
is
a
reflection
of
historical
truths
that
are
complex,
nuanced
and
contradictory.
A
Hundreds
of
recommendations
from
chart
participants,
the
appendix
G,
suggests
sources
of
historical
information,
including
written
records
and
oral
stories
that
we
are
urged
to
consult
as
we
move
forward
with
any
process
around
soldiers
Monument
all
the
way.
Thank
you
thanks
for
referencing
that,
and
these
were
coming
from
the
dialogues
themselves.
All
of
the
data,
including
guidelines,
both
survey
and
dialogue,
and
also
we
make
a
note
that,
on
survey
to
over
the
course
of
the
project,
seven
options
came
up
and
that's
why
in
survey
two,
there
were
seven
options
in
that
question.
A
I
think
it's
questions
15
to
be
answered
in
survey
two
eighteen,
sorry,
and
so
what's
what
the
data
did
was
give
us
the
information
to
present
this.
The
question
options
in
survey
queue-
and
these
are
the
statistics
from
that.
So
a
lot
of
the
work
has
been
done
to
bring
us
down
to
the
two
most
favorite
options
and,
as
you
can
hear
from
these
These
are
the
reasons
stated
overall
for
those
options.
A
A
Valdez
I
think
it
was
the
medium
was
the
actual
document
and
it
actually
is
pretty
long,
but
it
actually
gives
a
pretty
thorough
explanation
of
the
histories
of
obelisks
in
general.
B
A
A
A
It
so
that
was
helpful
for
me
in
one
of
the
professionally
memory
about
it,
because
there
was
a
lot
of
information
about
that.
A
I'm
gonna
read
their
switch
gears,
but
I
kept
thinking
about
the
recommendations
and
how
it
really
will
inform
our
city,
Department
structure
and
processes
and
I'm
curious
I,
don't
know
who
would
be
able
to
answer
this
out
of
our
department,
but
really
it
comes
down
to
at
least
some
recommendations.
The
arts
and
culture
department
will
take
a
big
role
in
you
know:
defining
public
art
and
then
also
as
it
relates
to
monuments.
A
There
was
a
explanation
of
how
the
community
engagement,
Department
could
be
restructured.
They
talked
about
land
use
and
acknowledging
that
they
need
to
look
at
the
the
racial
and
racial
and
other
inequities,
as
it
relates
to
the
general
plan
and
then
the
potential
of
creating
a
new
Department
of
equity
and
inclusion
or
whatever
name.
A
It
comes
to
be
that
if
that
does
move
forward,
and
so
I
don't
know
who
would
know
but
do
the
Departments
have
they
been
informed
that
these
were
some
of
the
things
that
came
about
that
would
affect
their
departments.
I.
Don't
know
who
would
be
able
to
answer
that,
but
yeah
I'm
very
complicated.
We
haven't
done
any
specific
album
each
other.
A
The
at
the
same
time,
the
chart
report
and
physical,
impacting
my
commissions,
are
widely
difference.
A
Yeah
I
think
that
the
important,
because
that
will
affect
budgets
and
then
also
you
know
how
we
do
our
work
moving
forward
and
then
Pastor
Chris
he
actually
took
that
was
like
you
read
my
notes,
but
I
do
see.
The
office
of
equity
inclusion
was
inward
facing
and
outward
facing,
and
that
it
would
need
to
be
separate
from
elected
officials.
A
It
would
have
to
if
we're
making
recommendations
and
for
the
general
public
and
also
being
it
would
have
to
be
a
community
resource,
but
it
would
also
have
to
look
Inward
and
be
like
what
does
the
city
need
to
consider?
We
need
to
improve
our
ways
of
being
more
inclusive
and
Equitable
in
our
just
what
we
do
in
City
business,
not
just
how
we
interact
with
the
public,
but
how
we
interact
with
each
other.
So
it
really
would
need
to
be
separate.
I'm
curious
about
the
models.
A
I
know,
Seattle
has
been
a
model
that
has
seemed
to
work.
You
said
Chattanooga
Albuquerque
I'm
interested
to
learn
more
about
how
it's
working
for
them,
because
I
from
what
I've
heard
they
do
home
their
City
staff
accountable
and
they
do
make
recommendations
and
then
they're
also
outward
facing
with
the
public,
so
want
to
learn
more
about
that
and
I
guess
when
I
think
about
the
recommendations
about
Multicultural
events.
A
I
just
want
to
question
us,
because
from
what
I've
heard
from
public
members
is
that
we
shouldn't
tokenize
certain
ethnic
groups
or
cultural
groups
just
by
having
events
that
are
supposed
to
represent
them
and
I.
Think
that's
something
to
make
sure
that
we
don't
do.
I.
Think
I
talked
about
this
in
the
last
meeting
about
the
tri-cultural
myth,
it
leaves
out
a
whole
other
ethnic
groups
that
are
part
of
our
that
have
been
part
of
our
history
kind
of
thing
and
so
and
then
simultaneously
talking
about
what
colonization
means.
A
I
think
all
of
us
got
a
letter.
The
colonization
isn't
a
bad
thing
and
it's
a
part
of
history,
but
it
it
actually
does
have
negative
connotations.
If
you
understand
the
definition
and
I
think
we
need
to
understand
what
that
means,
and
the
fact
that
we
we
refer
to
colonization
in
a
binary
way,
we
think
about
it
from
we
talk
about
the
Spanish
colonization,
but
we
don't
talk
about
Anglo
and
colonization
and
and
our
counselor
Garcia
brought
that
up
in
the
last
meeting.
A
It's
really
like
colonization
can
come
in
a
form
of
displacement
and
gentrification
of
our
communities,
and
it
would
be
great
to
have
somewhere
to
go
to
whether
it's
a
museum
about
the
history
of
Santa
Fe,
a
place
where
we
can
actually
read
about
the
nuances
of
our
history
that
do
describe
what
it
has
looked
like
varsity
and
how
it's
changed
because
of
this
placement
and
different
ways
of
colonization,
because
we
never
acknowledge
that
it's
really
frustrating,
and
even
in
the
I,
don't
know
if
it's
in
the
document
per
se,
maybe
later
on,
you
could
reference
it
for
me.
A
If
there
is
I
just
think
the
ways
that
colonization
are
complex
with
them
come
with
things
with
them,
come
backings
and
I
want
us
to
have
a
place
where
we
can
actually
learn
about
that
in
a
safe
place
where
people
feel
welcome
and
I,
don't
know
where
that,
where
that
lies,
I
do
think
and
I'll
say
this
again
in
our
tourism
description
of
Santa
Fe
or
the
outward
public,
it's
I
don't
like
how
we
describe
Santa
Fe,
it's
it's
very
simplified.
We
can
do
a
better
job.
A
I
I
talked
to
the
director
about
this
and
tourism,
and
maybe
you
all
have
recommendations
of
who
you
can
actually
help
with
that
to
rewrite.
If
we
need
to
that's
an
easy
one
that
we
can
start
with
so
yeah.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Mayor
I
have
another
question:
I
wanted
to
ask.
I
had
about
1400
participants.
A
A
Well,
there
are
two
ways
to
answer
that,
so
the
the
sample
actually
is
pretty
large.
If
you
look
at
the
the
last
two
weeks
in
the
Albuquerque
Journal
right,
they
should
show
the
results
of
several
polls
and
if
you
looked
at
the
numbers
of
those
polls,
whether
you
take
those
seriously
or
not
so
I'm,
not
arguing
for
that,
all
of
them
were
under
520
people.
So
you
can
look
at
those
and
say:
well
they
mean
nothing.
A
They
are
supposed
to
call
the
residents
of
the
state
of
New
Mexico
and
predict
where
you
know
the
candidates
are.
So
it's
actually,
you
know
having
one
percent
of
the
population
in
a
very
short
contract
of
12
months,
which
is
actually
about
10
months,
maybe
11,
and
we
had
to
produce
the
report,
and
you
know
consolidate
all
that
information.
So
I
I
would
argue
that
that's
it's
actually
a
pretty
good
example
for
the
duration
of
the
contract,
also
for
the
effort
that
we
made
in
terms
of
participation
in
the
diversity
of
participation.
A
A
Not
only
were
there
1372
of
participants
unique
participants
as
we've
been
calculated,
but
there
are
10
000
engagements
and
so
engagements
Denise
mentioned,
for
example,
the
blog,
in
other
words,
people
who
read
watched
the
YouTube
videos,
people
who
engaged
with
the
blog
and
read
all
those
blog
postings.
So
the
chart
project
was
the
engagement
of
dialogue,
but
many
many
other
things.
So
the
10
000
engagements
are
repeat
engagements
but
engagements
on
all
of
those
platforms,
which
is
quite
significant.
A
Whether
you
agree
with
that
or
not
will
be
up
to
all
of
you
and
those
that
are
watching.
But
I
will
argue
that
I
think
that
for
the
duration
of
the
project,
we
actually
had
to
fight
a
business
participation,
but
we
don't
know
of
the
1400
how
many
of
them
were
like
a
one
and
Dawn
or
how
many
of
them
we
do
know.
We
do
know
we
have
our
administrative.
A
A
You
know
where
every
cultural
history
series,
if
we,
if
we
took
their
names
and
so
on
and
so
forth,
so
we
do
know
across
that's
how
we
actually
had
to
figure
out
the
number
of
unique
participants,
the
1372,
rather
than
looking
at
it.
You
know.
A
We
know
who
who
was
if,
if
we
took
a
name,
does
it
work?
We
we
know
who
they
were
and
what
they
came
to.
But
there
are
plenty
of
events
Square,
for
example,
the
November,
the
opening
ceremony
and
the
very
big
family
event
that
we've
had
in
July.
It
was
a
park
with
kids
games
and
you
know
I
mean
we
didn't
stop
everybody
and
take
their
information.
So
we
so
I
think
that's
you
know,
I
mean
with
any
Community
engagement
process.
A
There
will
be
the
Gnomes
and
there
will
be
the
unknowns
right.
Awesome,
yeah
I
think
that's
right!
I'm,
just
you
know,
oftentimes
we
do
get
chastised
for
only
listening
to
you
know
the
loudest
voices
and
I.
You
know
statistically
I,
don't
know
if
I
mean
we
have
a
population
of
about
84
000,
so
we're
a
little
under
two
percent
and
when
you
made
the
comparison
with
the
election
polling,
I
mean
that's.
A
They
selected
demographic
with
that
this
was
an.
This
was
an
open.
Casting
call
I
mean
this
was
whomever,
but
you
know
I'm
just
asking
about
that
because
oftentimes
we
do
hear
about.
Well,
you
only
listen
to
the
loudest
voice,
that's
in
the
room,
so
you
know
it's
still
a
consideration.
It's
sort
of
like
one
of
the
things
that
we
talk
about
and
that's
again
the
recommendation
about
the
Department
of
Community
engagement
talks
about
the
the
painstaking
work
of
a
department
like
that
to
engage
thousands
of
Santa
fans
right.
A
It
takes
a
long
time
through
partner
organizations
through
Outreach
and
other
ways
that
you
can
do
that
work.
It
takes
some
effort.
It
takes
some
funding.
It
takes
some
time
the
the
polls
are
supposed
to
be
statistical
right,
be
samples
right
of
the
population
of
New
Mexico
they're
supposed
to
represent
the
diversity
of
New
Mexico,
so
again
we're
looking
at
520
or
fewer,
and
all
of
that,
so
all
to
say.
Yes,
if
we'd
had
more
time,
we
would
have
reached
more
people
in
terms
of
the
loudest
voices.
A
I
guess
the
question
goes
to
all
of
you.
So
how
do
you
engage
with
your
constituents
in
your
districts?
How
do
you
ensure
that
the
people
that
are
talking
to
you
are
representative
of
the
people
in
your
districts?
Political
campaigns?
Do
it
right?
They
go
door
to
door,
they
have
Town
Hall
meetings,
they
do
focus
groups,
they
do
all
of
that
work
right.
The
work
of
community
engagement
is
like
that
without
the
politics,
how
do
you
employ
all
of
those
methods?
So
we
worked
hard
at
that
we
were
stymied
until
March
with
the
pandemic.
A
So
that
also
was
a
factor
in
this,
as
we
address
in
the
report.
But
for
the
most
part,
that's
painstaking
work,
but
it
does
work
to
engage
more
of
the
the
people
who
are
your
constituents
or
the
community
that
you're
working.
Thank
you.
D
Mayor
so.
A
We
have
10
minutes
left,
I
will
be
fairly
quick.
I
know
the
mayor
probably
wants
his
seven
minutes
as
well.
We
only
have
10
so
I
guess.
A
The
work
I
want
to
thank
the
governing
body
for
this
conversation
and
be
willingness
to
respect
each
other's
time
and
and
listen
to
each
other
and
our
different
points
of
view.
I
think
that's
been
constructive.
A
I
also
want
to
say
this
report
is
done.
We
have
had
now
two
presentations
with
Artful
life.
I
have
been
waiting
for
us
to
have
this
second
one
I
think
now
it
is
incumbent
on
us
to
move
forward
and
make
cool
decisions
takes.
Imagine
and
I
think
you
know.
We
have
a
process
through
the
governing
body
where
we
can
present
ideas
and
start
to
move
things
forward
and
I
think
we
need
to
start
doing
that
now.
C
B
A
A
divisive
issue,
and
it's
just
going
to
create
more
angst
in
the
community
I
think
we
have
been
elected
to
make
decisions
I
think
we
need
to
make
them
and
what
I'll
be
looking
for
in
the
solutions
as
we
go
forward,
are
things
that
have
cut
across
constituencies
that
provide
solutions
that
help
us
tell
a
fuller,
more
comprehensive
rendition
of
our
history
of
the
people
who
make
up
our
community
and
I
think
also
that
this
is
ongoing
work
and.
A
That
an
office
of
equity
and
inclusion
and
accessibility
I
think
are
resonating
with
this
group
and
I
think
that's
something
we
need
to
prepare
seriously
about
how
how
that
looks
and
where
we
put
it
and
what
it
does.
Inward
facing
outward
facing
internal
external
I
think
those
are
great
ideas.
We
did
that
with
a
women's
commission.
I
think
the
women's
commission
has
been
charged
with
looking
at
how
we
do
things
internally,
as
well
as
what
we
can
be
doing
externally.
A
So
I
think
you
do
have
some
at
least
models
of
of
things
and
I'm
very
interested
in
how
other
communities
have
created
these
things
and
what
they
do.
So
with
that.
That's
kind
of
my
focus
and
you've
got
five
minutes
away
thanks
everybody.
This
has
been
a
most
constructive
work
session.
Midnight
I,
really
appreciate
everybody's
participation
and
and
good
good
interchange,
good
exchange,
good,
not
just
questions
but
good
conversations.
A
Constructive
conversation,
I
I,
continue
to
think
that
we're
operating
at
several
different
levels
simultaneously,
which
is
what
the
work
of
our
time
is
about.
We
have
to
be
mindful
of
concrete
suggestion,
recommendations
that
can
be
implemented
and
will
make
a
difference
and
demonstrate
our
seriousness
of
purpose.
We
also
have
to
be
aware
of
the
underlying
themes
that
that
kind
of
through
lines
that
are,
that
really
is
the
work
rather
than
just
a
thing.
It's
the
work
that
goes
on.
It's
the
difference
between
fence
poles
and
the
fence,
connections
that
run
between
the
polls.
A
We
need
to
do
both
and
we
have,
in
this
document
many
many
helpful
suggestions
about
ways
forward
and
we
have
among
ourselves
ideas
as
well
that
aren't
in
this
document,
things
from
experience
with
other
jurisdictions
with
other
organizations
with
other
non-profit
operations
that
we
can
go
to
school
on.
I
I.
Think
the
time
is
absolutely
right
for
us
to
take
leadership
as
a
community
on
coming
to
terms
with
history,
Facing
History
facing
ourselves
facing
many
of
this
groups,
not
just
one
and
acknowledging
the
validity
of
everybody's
point
of
view.
A
That's
what
this
exercise
was
designed
to
do
was
to
give
everybody
voice
and
everybody
respect
and
everybody
a
chance
to
be
heard.
For
me,
it
is
yes
about
the
obelisk,
but
much
more
than
that
and
I'm
concerned
that
it
turns
into
a
what
do
we
do
on
the
Plaza
decision?
A
A
This
is
a
moment
where
the
country
is
poised
to
the
fall
Party
come
together,
we're
relitigating
the
Civil
War.
We
are
challenging
pupils
upon
our
rights
and
we
are
seeing
other
cities
absolutely
decommission
themselves
in
fundamental
ways.
We
are
not
that
City
I
mean
in
the
past
risen
to
these
challenges
and
found
ways
to
reinforce
the
best
in
us
and
each
other
I
think
that
this
is
a
a
map,
but
it's
not
the
territory.
A
A
That
will
continue
this
work
and
each
of
us
with
our
elected
office
and
our
own
personal
relationships
to
be
advocates
for
healing
and
for
respect
for
everybody's
point
of
view.
I
think
the
the
opportunity
to
do
a
constellation
of
activities
which
speaks
to
the
multiplicity
of
ways
to
make
a
difference
in
our
community
is
why
all
of
these
recommendations
need
to
be
taken
seriously
and
what
we
did
with
the
Obelisk
and
on
the
Plaza
world
ultimately
receive
an
enormous
amount
of
attention
and
we'll
do
our
best.
A
At
the
same
time,
the
way
we
make
that
decision
more
acceptable
to
everybody,
it's
by
the
constellation
of
decisions
that
we
surrounded
with
that
demonstrate
that
we're
taking
everybody's
interests
to
harden,
and
it's
not
a
zero-sum
game.
Around
one
volume
we
will
do
our
very
very
best
to
be
sensitive,
to
listen
to
respect,
to
understand
the
best
of
our
ability.
How
strongly
people
feel
about
that?
A
One
monument
in
about
their
own
statute
of
Don,
Diego
and
yet
there's
so
many
other
things
that,
on
a
day-to-day
basis,
people
are
looking
to
us
to
do
better
and
to
demonstrate
that
we
can
make
a
difference
and
that
Santa
Fe
can
be
a
leader
in
this
national
moment
of
crisis,
called
democracy
and
the
overall
Community
well-being.
So
you've,
given
us
an
enormous
amount
to
work
with,
probably
more
than
we
know,
there's
more
on
what
it
could
be
un
Tangled
or
brought
to
the
surface.
But
I
think
this.
A
This
document
will
live
as
a
testimony
to
the
courage
of
the
city
of
Santa
Fe
to
try
to
do
the
right
thing
in
a
very
hard
talk
and
we
don't
have
to
agree
with
it
to
be
crowded
and
that's
part
of
Santa
Fe
as
well.
Thank
you
very
much
and
thanks
to
everybody
for
a
really
constructive
hope
session.
I
think
we
demonstrated
that
we
do
have
the
ability
to
sit
down
and
and
respectfully
talk
through
points
of
serious
difficulty
and
ongoing
change,
soon.