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A
A
C
Good
evening,
everyone
I'm
calling
this
meeting
at
the
historic
district's
review
board
to
order.
Today
we
are
july
the
12
20
22.
melissa.
May
we
have
a
roll
call?
Please?
Yes,.
C
I
thought
he
was
going
to
be
on
zoom
carly.
Do
you
know
anything
about
that.
B
He
is
working
on
attending
this
game,
so
we
may
see
him
pop
in
just
a
minute.
Okay,
thank
you.
Member
beachside,.
D
News
member
bienvenue
here.
B
We
have
a
postponement
for
the
staff
communication
or
we're
removing
it
at
least
from
this
agenda
for
tonight.
B
That's
item
number
one
under
staff
communications,
that's
the
south,
guadalupe
street
west
plaza
and
various
other
locations
for
the
banners,
and
then
we
are
also
postponing
50.
The
third
item
under
new.
B
2022-005470
hdrb
57
old
santa
fe
trail
to
a
date
certain
the
applicant
chose
alerted
us
yesterday
that
they
wanted
to
postpone.
D
C
We
have
minutes
of
june
the
twenty
eighth
twenty
twenty
two
do.
We
have
any
changes
to
those
member
benvenu.
Thank.
H
C
You
thank
you,
melissa.
I
have
three
simple
little
changes
and
the
first
two
are
on
page
10,
paragraph
three
where
it
says:
cheerios
asks
this
board
of
gray
what
evidence
she
had
in
reference
to
the
and
date
and
after
date
please
add
date
of
the
large
picture
window
period
and
then,
on
that
same
page,
paragraph
five,
where
it
says
see,
cheerios
said
she
and
it
should
not
be
she.
C
It
should
be
miss
border
gray
because
it
sounds
like
it's
me,
but
it's
really
this
four
degree
and
on
page
24,
paragraph
three
change
the
word
long
term
to
long
time
and
that's
all
I
have
if
there
are
no
further
changes,
I
will
entertain
a
motion.
D
C
Any
matters
from
the
public
at
this
time
anyone
wishing
to
seek
not
for
your
specific
case,
but
anything
else,
it
appears
not
well.
Madam.
C
B
B
Stephanie,
would
you
unmute
yourself,
please.
B
Yes,
I
think
we
just
may
need
to
change
a
hosting
capability.
Let
me
check
just
one
thing:.
B
B
I'm
also
trying
to
get
frank
member
cap's
madam
chair
on
the
line
make
sure
he
has
he's
working
on
it
so
well,
if
we
can
take
a
moment
for
that,
I'm
sorry
for
the
delay.
B
B
B
So
chair,
we
we're
going
to
have
public
comment
from
stephanie
banana.
J
C
Yes,
we
can
okay,
wonderful!
I
I
understand
that
the
item
the
is
postponed
on
the
banners,
but
I
just
want
to
say
that
I
am
opposed
to
administrative
approval
of
the
banners.
I
don't
know
what
you've
done
for
the
practice.
Centennial
the
by.
K
C
Centennial
when
lafonda
came
in
front
of
you,
but
I
I
think
that
there
needs
to
be
discussion
like
like
a
lot
of
details,
like
are
all
350
going
to
be
up
how
many
per
street
you
know.
There's.
C
A
L
C
Is
just
letting
it
go
to
hell,
excuse
me,
but
they
are,
and
so
I'm
just
wondering
if
there's
anybody
on
this
board,
who
knows
somebody
or.
C
Who
are
part
of
the
old
santa
fe
association?
Maybe
they
can
get
their
membership
or
somebody
there
to
speak
to
the
management
there
to
do
something
about
this
floor
before
it's
all
going
to
have
to
be
pulled
out.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Anyone
else
wishing
to
speak
at
this
time.
Anybody
in
this
room
it
appears
not
staff
communications.
Anything
further.
The
banners
will
not
the
issue
regarding
the
banners
will
not
be
heard
this
evening
and
is
there
anything
else.
B
C
I
So
good
evening,
it's
really
nice
to
be
back
in
santa
fe
back
in
the
1990s.
I
was
a
historic
district's
case,
planner
for
the
city
of
santa
fe,
and
that
was
my
first
job
out
of
graduate
school
in
community
regional
planning,
and
so
that
became
a
passion
of
mine.
Life
led
me
away,
but
I
came
back
in
the
2000s
as
a
case
planner
for
a
senior
planner
for
the
current
planning
division,
and
at
that
time
I
had
the
opportunity
to
work
on
some
historic
districts
with
reference
to
the
college.
I
I'm
sorry
st
john's
college
and
some
of
the
other
cases,
and
it
was
really
an
honor
to
be
back
and
involved
in
historic
preservation.
And
I
think
that
is
a
theme
that
we
need
to
have
for
our
entire
staff
in
planning
and
land
use
is
to
just
be
sure
that
people
understand
the
importance
and
of
historic
preservation
and
how
it
really
helps
to
define
our
town
as
some
place.
That
is
unique
and
special.
I
So
I
look
forward
to
working
with
not
only
you
but
also
the
community
and
if
there's
any
concerns
or
questions
that
you
need
to
refer
to
me
directly,
please
feel
free
to
do
so.
Carly
is
an
amazing
leader,
and
so
I
know
that
we'll
be
working
together
to
you
know
also
address
zoning
code
regulations.
The
sony
code
update
is
coming
your
way
and
so,
as
well
as
the
general
plan
updates.
So
we
expect
that
you
and
members
of
the
historic
the
community
will
be
involved
in
dialogue
as
a
essential
stakeholder
to
that
process.
C
C
Other
people,
like
you
too,
I
must
know
about
you,
so
we're
going
to
move
on
to
old
business
under
old
business.
We
have
four
cases,
and
the
first
case
is
angela's
is
contributing.
H
I
wanted
to
offer
an
update
on
two
matters
that
are
on
appeal
from
the
historic
district
review
board.
There
is
a
matter
of
1160
camino
de
cruz
blanca,
which
is
the
approval
of
the
cellular
tower
at
st
john's
college.
H
The
neighborhood
association
appealed
that
when
mr
durkwich
was
the
appellant
on
that
that
has
been
submitted
to
the
district
court,
there's
a
briefing
schedule
pursuant
to
rule
one
dash
through
seven
four
of
the
rules
undergoing
appeals
from
the
landlord
or
the
district
court.
H
The
appellants
have
submitted
their
brief.
The
city
of
santa
fe
submitted
its
response
brief.
The
appellant
submitted
a
reply
brief
to
our
response
brief,
and
after
that
we
submit
a
motion
to
judge
matthew.
Who
is
going
to
hear
this
case
that
the
briefing
has
been
finalized.
That
is
to
say
that
that
was
the
conclusion
of
the
briefing.
H
H
Regarding
the
property
at
3,
30
don
cabarro
place,
and
that
was
a
matter
that
was
heard
by
the
hdrb
on
may
24th,
2022,
jason
kluke,
our
land
use
director
is
reviewing
that
to
determine
whether
there
is
an
adequate
assertion
of
a
basis
after
which
the
city
attorney's
office
will
review
it.
It
does
appear,
it
was
submitted
in
a
timely
manner,
but
we're
just
doing
a
review
to
determine
whether
or
not
it
complies
with
all
the
appellate
rules.
With
respect
to
decisions.
The
hdrp.
C
H
D
N
C
C
Apologies,
everyone,
oh
gosh.
There
we
go.
N
O
O
The
subject
of
tonight's
case
is
a
replacement
of
that
window,
which
is
on
the
red
within
the
red
circle.
North
is
up
I'll,
briefly
review.
It's
the
the
history
of
this
territorial
revival,
vernacular
style,
1400
square
foot,
building,
it's
east
elevation
garage
appears,
mid-century
ranch
style
has
a
shed
roof
overhangs
and
shallow,
but
wide
aluminum
sliding
windows.
O
O
The
north
elevation,
which
is
the
front
features
a
three
paned
large
picture
window
at
its
center
and
a
double
set
of
three
over
one
double
hung:
wood
windows
on
its
west
end,
the
converted
garage
on
the
east
portion
features
a
three
paned
wide
shallow
aluminum
window.
Other
aluminum
sliding
aluminum
excuse
me,
other
horizontal
sliding
window.
Aluminum
windows
were
added
to
the
east
elevations
in
1965.,
a
utility
room
was
added
to
the
south
elevation
in
1980
and
the
396
square
foot
carport
was
built
in
1995
also
on
the
south
elevation.
O
O
The
applicant
proposes
to
replace
the
three
panel
aluminum
slider
window,
with
a
double
three
over
one,
true
divided
light
window
to
match
the
window
pattern
of
the
historic
windows
on
the
west
end
of
the
of
this
primary
facade
of
this
north
primary
facade.
The
new
window
will
match
the
replacement
windows
in
color,
which
of
the
windows
that
were
approved
at
may,
12th,
which
is
pella
window
color
summer
sage
and
the
new
window
will
be
aluminum.
O
C
Any
questions,
I'll
just
repeat
that
it's
the
north
and
the
west
that
are
primary
and
this
applicant
is
just
wanting
to
replace
one
window,
which
will
be
a
three
over
three
over
one
on
the
north
side.
Correct
correct!
So
no
questions
for
angela
this
time.
So
I
will
ask
the
applicant
or
applicants
to
come
forward
and
get
sworn
in.
D
L
No,
I
think
angela
said
it
quite
well.
We
just
want
to
from
the
previous
meeting
you
all
kind
of
said,
hey
think
about
making.
It
looks
more
similar
to
that
west
elevation
and
the
owners
like
that
idea.
L
So
that's
what
we're
proposing
it
will
be
10
inches
smaller.
That
is
only
because
that
garage
header
is
much
lower.
You
can
see
that
in
the
photograph
where
the
the
garage
portion
actually
comes
down
in
the
ceiling
height,
so
we're
going
to
keep
the
same
proportion,
but
it
will
be
10
inches,
smaller,
both
height
and
width.
L
C
So
no
one
wishes
just
to
make
any
comments
and
references
or
has
questions.
So
I
will
entertain
a
motion
board
member.
F
Sure
I'll
make
a
motion
in
case
2022005,
476,
hdrb,
1520,
canyon,
road.
I
move
that
the
board
approved
the
project
estimated.
C
Been
approved,
thank
you.
Thank
you,
mr
sorry.
Everybody
for
the
delay
we're
going
to
move
on
to
the
next
case
central
business,
which
is
located
at
1204
canyon,
road.
O
Chair
members
of
the
board,
this
case,
2022-0054
excuse
me
5346
at
1204
canyon
road
was
not
reviewed
by
the
zoning
staff
for
the
revisions
made
to
the
approved
case.
So
I
would
like
to.
O
Request
that
the
either
be
postponed
or
if
the
board
wishes
to
take
up
the
case,
you
may
do
so.
O
O
It's
a
concurrent
process,
but
it
has
to
be
reviewed
and
signed
off.
It's
a
preliminary
view
at
the
same
time
that
we're
preparing
the
case,
okay,
carly.
B
Sorry,
it
is
an
application
requirement
that
they
go
through
preliminary
zoning
review
and
get
that
approval
in
order
to
have
a
complete
packet,
and
so
when
a
design
changes
significantly
or
enough
that
we
may
be
held
up
in
permit
and
then
require
design
changes
down
the
road
due
to
underlying
zoning
requirements.
B
It
creates
those
design
changes
that
then
have
to
come
back
to
the
board.
So
when
we
are
out
on
the
field
trip
today
and
angela-
and
I
had
further
discussion
about
the
case,
it
was
realized
that
this
review
had
not
been.
It
had
not
been
reevaluated
and
it
had
significant
changes
to
the
case.
H
O
An
august
meeting
date
august
9th.
B
If
we
have
the
possibility
of
getting
it
on
the
july
26th,
we
should
try
for
it.
If
we're
only
lacking
the
preliminary
zoning
review,
we
may
be
able
to
get
that
done
on
time,
since
it's
just
an
update,
so
angela
I'm
sorry
to
interrupt,
but
that
would
be
my
suggestion.
H
H
B
H
A
motion
then
in
case
number
20
22
0,
0,
5,
3,
4,
6,
hdrb,
1204
canyon,
road.
I
would
move
that
this
matter
be
postponed
to
the
july.
Was
the
26th
meeting
date
of
seconds.
A
C
Thank
you.
Roll
call
vote
please,
michael.
K
C
C
I
was
just
trying
to
indicate
that
the
reason
that
it
was
being
postponed
it
for
it
to
run
more
smoothly
because
it
has
to
go
through
zoning,
and
I
just
simply
wanted
to
apologize
to
you
in
a
way
because
you
already
came
here-
and
you
were
thinking
that
your
case
is
going
to
be
heard,
and
we
just
heard
we.
A
C
Just
heard
that
it
was
could
not
be
heard
because
zoning
has
not
has
not
looked
at
the
application.
Okay.
If,
okay,
if
you're
going
to
speak,
you
need
to
come
forward.
Please.
A
M
October,
we
finally
got
the
permit
in
october
2020,
but
what
we
need
to
to
they
need
to
pinpoint
angela,
whoever
exactly
everything
they
want
from
us,
because
it's
too
broad
they
they
like,
I
think
they
mentioned
some
window,
that
they
had
never
mentioned
before.
We've
been
back
and
forth
back
and
forth,
it's
costing
me.
A
M
You
know
it
they.
They
put
me
on
a
hole
for
four
months,
because
in
the
inside
first
andrew
had
said
it's
okay
to
work
inside
and
they
said
no,
you
can't
work
inside
because
the
outside
you
have
some
changes.
We
had
changes
because
pnm
the
wires
were
real,
close
to
the
garage,
we're
going
to
make
and
payment
said.
No,
you
cannot
make
it
there.
Then
we
had
some
problems
in
the
bag
because
that
property
has
rocks
like
big
rocks.
We
had
a
big
bag
haul.
M
We
couldn't
even
dig,
then
the
the
prior
owners
they
let
the-
and
this
was
like
50
years
ago.
They
must
have
left
the
neighbor
in
the
back,
connect
their
store
because
their
store,
the
lines
were
supposed
to
go
straight
into
the
street
somehow
50
years
ago
they
had
some
problems
and
they
they
put
it
right
in
front
of
the
house.
So
we
had
like
three
big
issues
that
delayed
us,
but
the
thing
is
that
you
know
with
cole
bed
there's
nobody,
nobody
answers
the
phone
nobody's
here.
We
can't
even
come.
C
You
for
your
comments.
I
know
that
it
can
be
very
frustrating.
The
process
can
be
very
frustrating,
so
I
feel
for
you,
but
I
guess
it's
your
husband,
fred
yeah.
That
indicated
that
you
had
come
before
this
board
many
times
or
in
reference
to
revisions.
You.
A
C
No,
we
do
have
to
follow
the
rules,
and
sometimes
I
know
it's
difficult
and,
as
I
said
it
is,
it
can
be
very
frustrating.
So
hopefully
we
can
resolve,
you
can
go
back
to
the
city
and
get
that
resolved
with
zoning.
M
It's
not
and
that's
fine,
but
as
long
as
they
tell
it
exactly,
you
need
this
this
this
and
not
well,
you
know
whatever
or
whatever,
because
it's
it's
like
we're
in
the
face.
You
know
we
they
confuse
us.
Sometimes
they
confuse
us.
So
I
don't
know,
but
I
would
appreciate
it
and
and
then
we'll
see
you,
I
guess
july
20th.
C
Q
D
R
Name
voldez
I
live
in,
I'm
sorry,
my
name
is
gerald
valdez.
I
live
11
ranch
road,
cedar,
crest
to
mexico.
I'm
still
not
sure
of
what
the
reason
is.
Zoning
has
to
get
a
hold
of
it
and
look
over
it.
C
R
C
To
it
being
here,
I'm
not
really
quite
sure
yeah,
but
perhaps
carly
can
answer
that.
Well.
R
R
Why
didn't
it
go
through
the
zoning
committee
like
like?
Why
does
why
do
we
have
to
be?
We
call
it
at
a
disadvantage
all
the
time.
You
know
what.
Why
is
it
our
reasoning
for
for
jumping
on
the
board
on
for
lack
of
what
can
I
say
in
the
city,
the
city
not
really
addressing
these
issues,
and
here
we
are
back
again
here
we
got
to
come
back
again.
R
R
The
the
zoning
has
to
do
they
had
all
this
time.
This
project
has
been
since
2020,
okay
was
approved
and
unfortunately
there
was
circumstances
beyond
our
control
that
caused
these
revisions
to
be
made.
Okay
number
one
was
the
sewer
that
mrs
lucero
was
speaking
about.
The
sewer
line
wasn't
even
going
straight
into
canyon
road.
It
made
a
turn
into
her
sewer
and
if
the
the
excavator
hadn't
broken
that
pipe
we'd
have
never
found
that
out
and
it
would
have
been
a
bigger
mess
in
our
hands.
R
So
that
happened
and
then
pnm
didn't
allow
us
to
put
the
garage
where
it
was
approved
because
of
an
anchor
to
this
ugly
pole.
That's
there.
We
should
put
a
sign
on
that
whole
historic
pole
in
santa
fe.
You
know
can't
be
removed,
but
anyway
and
then
bedrock.
Okay,
we
did
an
extensive
amount
of
excavating
for
that
retaining
wall
and
we
hit
some
bedrock
and
contractor
didn't
feel
comfortable
going
as
planned,
so
he
they
changed
and
because
I
live
in
cedar
crest
and
the
projects
here,
it
was
hard
to
communicate.
R
R
This
is
the
first
meeting
that
you
guys
have
had
and,
and
this
covid
is,
is
you
know,
I
still
see
some
people
with
masks
and-
and
I
respect
that
but
come
on-
you
know
people
I
couldn't
get
a
hold
of
any
of
the
planners,
because
they're
working
out
of
the
home,
it
was
a
mess,
it
was
a
mess
trying
to
get
a
hold
of
somebody,
and
that's
all
I
can
say
right
now,
going
back
home
kind
of
very
disappointing
still,
don't
know
the
reason
why
we're
not
being
hurt
tonight.
C
Well,
it
was
stated,
sir,
but
I
can
hear
your
frustration
and
mrs
lucero's
frustration,
so
hopefully,
let's
try
to
move
forward
and
make
this
smoother,
and
hopefully
the
city
will
help
do
its
part
and
then
we'll
see
you
on
july
26th.
Thank
you
very
much.
B
Good
evening
board
members,
madam
chair.
A
B
B
A
few
areas,
so
the
west
elevation
the
south
section
of
that
west
elevation.
So
these
photographs
are
including
some
of
these
primary
facades
here
and
so
because
this
is
a
remodel
case.
That
is
one
of
the
important,
very
important
factors
we
have.
We
have.
This
property
contains
several
structures.
B
We
are
looking
at
a
house
that
was
built
in
very
much
vernacular
fashion,
the
casita
just
located
south
the
portal,
which
is
not
pictured
here,
but
not
there's
no
proposed
work
to
tonight.
So
I
did
not
add
it
to
the
photographs
of
the
presentation.
A
B
Slide
here
is
photographs.
The
main
house,
the
main
house,
as
you
may
remember,
is
a
kind
of
modified
l
shape
with
the
older.
The
older
piece
is
the
south
end
and
it
grew
up
and
out
to
the
right,
and
so
that
portal
that
was
just
mentioned
is
right
here
on
the
more
west
portion
of
the
property.
B
B
And
a
little
enlargement
of
the
other
two
structures-
and
this
is
only
the
proposed
enlargement,
because
the
excuse
me
these
darkened
walls-
are
the
additions,
so
it's
or
the
areas
that
are
being
modified.
So
it's
a
little
bit
more
clear.
There.
B
Okay,
so
starting
from
north
going
south
we're
looking
at
the
north
elevation
and
the
proposed
changes
there
and
you
can
see
on
that
right
part.
That's
the
discrete
edition
here
is
the
east
facade
up
top.
We
can
see
it
with
the
contributing
wall
in
front
and
you
can
see
the
added
gate
there.
B
Next
to
some,
his
the
historic
features,
these
little
gates
and
then
wooden
panel
architectural
features
there
behind
that
facade
behind
the
fin
of
the
gate.
Rather
so
what
we're
looking
at
right
here
is
behind
the
skate
feature,
and
so
this
is
one
of
the
additions
to
the
primary
facade.
L
B
Looking
at
another
primary
facade
on
the
west
elevation
right
here
with
changes
to
the
openings,
a
new
opening
on
the
right
side,
infill
to
the
part
of
the
door
there
and
an
increased
height,
the
increased
height
was
significant
enough
that
we
discussed
that.
That
should
be
addressed
in
the
exception
criteria.
B
Okay,
here
are
images
of
the
finishes
and
fixtures,
so
we're
looking
at
the
el
rey
buck
scan
that
closely
matches
the
color
of
stucco.
That's
there,
the
colonial
white
for
the
windows,
doors,
wood
posts
and
beams,
and
then
landscape
material
portals,
sidewalks
of
brick
materials
and
then
planter
walls.
The
stack
stone,
stacked,
mulchrock
stone
so.
B
We
I
wanted
just
to
call
attention
to
the
itemized
list,
I'm
trying
to
be
very
careful
about
events,
because
there's
so
many
changes
to
this
proposed
to
this
building.
B
We
care
very
carefully
itemize
the
list
out
in
case
one
or
you
know
all
proposed
are
accepted
or
a
portion
are
so
that
it's
clear
so
that
the
motion
can
be
a
little
bit
extra
clear
and
then
the
exceptions
are
listed
in
that
staff
report
as
where
they
are
applied
now,
staff
does
not
did
not
find
that
all
the
exception
criteria
have
been
met,
but
the
board
may
find
that
with
more
testimony
that
it
complies,
they
may
find
that
with
more
testimony.
B
Otherwise
we
recommend
the
approval
of
the
application
genera
that
the
rest
generally
complies
with
the
downtown
and
east
eastside
design,
standards
and
d.
The
general
design
standards.
B
C
B
B
They
only
pertain
to
the
main
house,
and
I
should
note
that
in
the
in
the
agenda,
we
do
notice
an
exception
for
the
change
of
replacement
of
historic
windows.
That
one
does
not
apply.
B
When
I
revised
the
agenda,
I
forgot
to
remove
that
one.
So
that's
why
you
do
not
see
it
in
your
staff
report,
but
the
the
exceptions
are
applied
to
the
main
house
and
they
are
applied
they're
being
applied
to
the
premier,
facade
number
12
number
11,
number
10
and
then
to
the
wall
specifically
for
the
gate.
C
You
did
not
agree
with
the,
with
all
the
exception
criteria.
B
That's
where,
except
it
would
be
up
to
the
board
to
decide
that,
but
it's
a
very
difficult
if
the
exceptions
were
to
be
granted
based
on
what
the
information
that
we
have.
It
would
be
very
difficult
for
to
say
that
it's
really
retaining
its
contributing
status.
F
Yes,
never
agreed.
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
madam
chair
carly.
Can
you
briefly
restate
the
if
you
can
why
the
board
chose
the
elevations
that
it
did?
It
was
for
primary
facades
on
this
house.
B
So
part
of
the
reason
and
part
of
the
reason-
and
now
I'm
wishing
I
had
included
the
minutes,
but
part
of
the
reasons
for
the
choice
for
primaries
of
this
house
was
this
is
the
older
section?
The
south
is
the
older
and
it
had
some
unique
features
being
that
the
very
narrowness
of
the
doorways
there
are
those
architectural
features
there
and-
and
there
was
the
a
conversation
about
the
mirroring
of
the
plate,
glass
windows
and
those
openings
within
these
within
that
style
feature.
B
A
B
Applies
to
just
the
main
house,
I
won't
address
the
others,
because
the
remodel
is
not
impacting
those
those
other
primary
facades
and
then,
of
course,
the
contributing
wall
has
several
architectural
features.
It's
also
has
an
it
meets
the
age
criteria
as
well.
D
J
D
A
J
First
of
all,
I
want
to
mention
that
the
version
that
you're,
seeing
as
part
of
our
application
right
now
is
the
third
design
that
we
did.
We
started
this
case
with
daniel
and
we
I
responded
to
his
comments
about
for
the
first
submittal
and
we
did
a
second
submittal,
a
second
submittal.
Yes,
we
I
met
with
carly
about
it,
and
I
took
her
suggestions
into
it.
J
So
the
one
that
you're
seeing
is
actually
the
third
version
of
the
of
the
house,
and
I
think
it's
the
best
and
if
I
can
ask
that
certain
drawings
be
pulled
up,
is
that
is
that
possible.
J
J
J
So
well,
it's
it's
too
large,
but
anyway.
A
The
this.
J
Is
a
drawing
of
the
primary
facades
and
I've
been
I've
been
coming
before
this
board
for
30
years
now,
and
this
is
the
first
time
that
I
have
10
facades
on
a
house
that
are
primary
and
and
precisely
go
all
the
way
around
the
house.
J
As
you
can
see
the
the
main
part
of
where
I
can
actually.
J
E
J
The
proposed
plan
is
trying
to
make
some
visual
sense
of
this
house.
There
are
parts
of
the
house
that
are
in
the
territorial
style
and
there
are
parts
of
the
house
that
are
trying
to
be
in
the
territorial
style
they
have
brick
coping,
but
there's
a
visual
sort
of
hodgepodgedness
to
the
house.
J
J
There
is
windows
all
around
the
house
that
are
non-historic.
Some
are
white,
most
are
blue.
Some
are
just
stopped
in
glass.
J
Some
are
windows
that
were
from,
I
don't
know
where
they
were
from
there's
various
plants
or
versions
of
the
windows,
we're
planning
to
have
all
of
those
replaced
and
to
give
the
unity
to
the
house
so
we're
proposing
to
to.
J
J
One
of
the
ceilings
on
our
drawings
is
actually
labeled
as
a
six
foot,
five
to
the
to
the
vegas
and
there's
a
there's,
a
letter
in
your
packet.
That
shows
somebody
standing
joseph
standing
in
the
house.
It
shows
that
he,
the
ceiling,
is
right
there
and
so
we're
proposing
that
we
that
we
raise
the
ceiling
and
that's
that's-
why
we're
raising
the
parapets
on
that
south
section
of
the
house.
J
We
recognize
that
the
house
should
not
be
any
taller
than
what
it
is
and
so
we're
only
raising
it
to
11
6,
which
is
the
height
that
is
currently
on
other
sections
of
the
house
and
the
allowable
height
that
we
could
have
raised.
It
is,
I
think,
13
feet,
2
inches,
so
we're
almost
two
feet
below
what
we,
what
we're
allowed
to
do,
and
I
think
you
should
recall
or
be
aware,
the
street
in
front
of
the
house.
The
lane
in
front
of
the
house,
plus
valentine,
is
actually
two
feet
above
the
house.
J
J
J
You
have
to
go
into
a
gate
and
go
around
the
back
of
the
house
to
enter
we're
relocating
the
entry
onto
the
street
side
of
the
house
and
putting
the
new
gate
through
the
historic
wall
we're
trying
to
make
it
so
that
it
is
quite
clear
where
you
enter
the
house
and
that
it's
more
visible,
and
I
would
think
that
that
having
a
gate
in
that
wall
in
this
dark
wall
that
allows
more
visibility
through
the
wall
would
be
actually
a
benefit
to
the
to
the
streetscape
we're
all
we
are
keeping
all
of
the
elements
of
the
historic
wall,
including
the
little
garbage
doors
that
are
next
to
the
gate,
the
what
we
call
the
hobbit
date.
J
J
The
the
gate
location
is
was
considered
because
originally
I
had
the
gate
in
a
location
that
allowed
that
didn't
allow
to
to
keep
the
the
garbage
doors,
and
I
didn't
realize
that
they
would
be
important
to
keep,
and
so
I
was
able
to
relocate
the
gate
so
that
we
could
keep
those
garbage
doors
and
not
reflected
in
our
new
proposal.
J
And
oh
and
I'm
sorry,
joseph
hardens
had
given
you
some
out
some
some
drawings
to
show
what
the
house
would
look
like
behind
the
wall
from
the
garden
and
we're
hoping
that,
even
though
that
house,
the
house
is
taller
than
what
is
there
now,
it
is
appropriate
and
it
keeps
the
flavor
of
the
vernacular
house
intact.
And
I
think
joseph
would
like
to
say
some
words.
J
C
Have
some
questions
for
you
and
probably
this
has
been
covered,
but
just
so
that
everything
is
clear
to
us
how
many
windows
are
being
proposed
to
be
changed
and
are
those
openings
going
to
be
changed
as
well.
J
The
all
of
the
windows
in
the
main
house
are
proposed
to
be
changed
and
openings
on
the
on
the
existing
on
the
existing
primary
facades
on
the
primary
facades
are
not
proposed
to
be
changed,
except
for
in
two
cases,
and
those
are
addressed.
J
I'm
sorry
we're
changing
all
of
the
windows
right.
All
of
the
windows
have
changed,
we're
not
changing
the
openings
in
the
primary
facades,
except
in
two
cases
on
an
elevation.
I
think
it's
11,
I
think
that's
elevation,
11,
and
so
it's
on
the
bottom
join
that
you
see
on
this
on
the
screen
on
the
far
right
hand
side.
J
So
you
see
that
there
is
that
window
that
is
and
door
that
is
now
in
place
and
we're
proposing
that
it
just
be
a
window
and
then,
on
the
other
side
of
the
room,
there
would
be
another
window
that
that
matches
that.
C
J
See
on
that
wall,
are
you
talking
about
that
wall?
Yes,
we're
proposing
that
we
close
up
the
door
that
we
ex
we
change
the
windows
and
that
we
raise
the
ceiling,
because
that's
the
wall
of
the
rooms
that
have
very
low
ceilings
behind
them,
so
we're
proposing
that
we
that
we
raise
the
parapet
so
that
we
can
raise
the
ceilings
as
well.
C
S
Initially
I
handed
out
to
you
a
rendering
of
the
south
facade,
which
is
the
subject
of
the
two
exceptions
requested
for
the
main
house
and
on
the
back.
I
took
a
photo
this
morning.
Of
that
same
general
perspective,
I
tried
to
text
this
information
to
member
cats.
I
was
given
a
phone
number,
I
don't
know
if
it
got
through
to
him,
but
we're
trying
to
communicate
the
information.
S
I
don't
know
if
mr
katz
received
it
or
if
he
can
give
a
cell
phone
number,
I'm
happy
to
text
the
photos
to
him.
C
S
You,
okay,
so
we're
here
tonight.
I'll
be
brief:
I'm
gonna
really
address
the
exception
criteria,
we're
here
on
behalf
of
the
owners,
zach
leonard
and
julia
platt
leonard,
who
are
unfortunately
out
of
the
country.
They
appreciate
your
consideration
tonight.
As
richard
mentioned,
we
have
worked
with
daniel
schwab
and
then
with
carly
over
the
last
couple
of
months
to
refine
and
hone
the
project.
S
S
There
are
five
letters
of
support
from
neighbors
in
your
packet,
including
one
letter
that
I
handed
out
from
doug
preston
who
lives
on
the
north
side
adjacent
to
the
north,
didn't
make
your
packet,
but
I
handed
that
out
to
you.
I
just
want
to
read
a
couple
of
excerpts.
Stephen
hughes
grew
up
in
this
house
in
his
letter
in
your
packet.
He
says
I
am
writing
to
state
my
whole
heart
of
support
for
the
refurbishments
and
improvements
proposed
by
the
current
owners.
S
Frankly,
some
of
it
is
long
overdue
and
it
will
undoubtedly
harmonize
more
appropriately
with
the
neighborhood.
He
spent
a
couple
of
deca
a
long
time
in
this
house.
I
don't
know
exactly
how
long,
across
plaza,
valentine
on
the
east
side,
ross
and
linda
nelson
actually
owned
two
houses
and
they
stated
in
part
zach
and
julia's
plans
will
bring
342
in
line
with
the
pueblo
and
territorial
styles
of
the
other,
plaza
valentine
properties
and
will
beautifully
reinforce
the
historic
ambiance
of
our
little
compound
and
then
finally,
I
see
albert
perez
and
robin
perez
in
the
back.
S
They
own
the
property
adjacent
to
the
south,
which
is
on
a
seiki
madre.
I
don't
want
to,
I
think,
they're
going
to
speak,
but
they
said
in
part.
The
main
home
has
been
in
need
of
updating
several
aspects
to
match
the
beauty
of
the
overall
property.
We
believe
zach
and
julia
have
achieved
that
objective,
while
maintaining
the
original
design
and
uniqueness
of
the
property.
So
we've
done
a
lot
of
neighborhood
outreach
as
well
as
working
with
staff
on
this
important
project.
S
I
appreciate
the
staff
has
agreed,
with
most
of
the
exception
criteria,
I'm
going
to
speak
to
exception
criteria,
one
as
it
relates
to
the
main
house
and
the
two
exceptions
we're
requesting
for
the
main
house
as
to
that
criteria.
Please
keep
in
mind
that
the
sole
question
before
you
is
whether
the
requested
exceptions
will
damage
the
character
of
the
district,
whether
they
will
damage
the
character
of
the
district.
Richard
just
just
demonstrated
how
the
proposed
design
will
strengthen
the
pueblo
and
territorial
architectural
style
of
the
house.
S
S
On
the
south
side
of
the
house,
this
house
is
clearly
as
as
the
neighbors
indicated
in
in
need
of
some
tlc
and
in
particular,
relocation
of
the
main
entry
from
the
west
side
of
the
house,
away
from
the
street
over
to
the
east
side,
on
to
plaza
valentine,
as
indicated
in
our
submittals.
That
is
a
main
driving
force
behind
the
design
that
we've
proposed.
S
The
proposed
main
entry
gate
has
a
utilitarian
function
to
provide
a
main
entry
onto
the
east
side
of
the
house.
The
gate
location
maintains
the
existing
architectural
features,
the
garbage
doors
and
the
hobbit
doors
just
to
the
south.
Richard
explained
that
we
revised
the
design
to
retain
those
features
and
the
wall
would
not
serve.
Excuse
me,
the
the
gate
would
not
serve
its
purpose
by
being
placed
in
a
different
location
as
as
referenced
in
the
staff
report.
S
S
Given
the
existing
footprint
of
the
house,
there's
a
bathroom
to
the
north
of
the
proposed
entry
and
it
really
limits
the
ability
to
provide
a
main
entry
on
the
east
side
of
the
house,
so
I
would
submit
that
by
considering
other
design
options,
the
applicant
satisfied
the
third
criteria
so
with
that
I'd
be
happy
to
stand
for
any
questions
you
may
have.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank.
C
You,
mr
korns
board
members,
do
you
have
any
questions
to
mr
carson
at
this
time
and
do
you
have
any
questions
for
mr
martinez?
Any
clarification.
C
It
appears
not
yes,
carly.
C
B
Madam
chair,
we
also
have
stephanie
benonato,
who
would
like
to
speak.
Your
choice
on
who
goes.
D
P
Yes,
my
name
is
albert
pettis.
I
live
at
6
15
a
second
and
we
are
neighbors
to
the
applicants
and
had
been
following
the
the
review
process
from
the
very
beginning,
and
I
got
to
tell
you
that
I
think
it's
a
consensus
of
the
entire
plaza
valentin
neighborhood
group
that
we
are
in
a
far
better
place
with
the
latest
version
of
the
design
plan.
P
This
property
is
the
last
of
six
properties
on
our
street.
It
has
been
embattled,
bad
need
of
updating,
and
we
are
very
pleased
that
the
owners
and
richard
have
come
up
with
a
design
that
is
respectful
for
the
neighborhood,
the
property
itself.
It's
it's
a
massive
upgrade
to
what
we
have
been
living
next
to
for
the
last
seven
years,
and
I
don't
understand
why
there
would
be.
K
P
C
Thank
you
very
much,
mr
pettis
stephanie
benanto
you'll
get
her
on.
D
C
Stephanie
benonato
p.o
box,
1601
santa
fe
new
mexico,
I'm
not
opposed
to
raising
the
height
of
the
roof
or
ceilings.
Nor
am
I
opposed
really
to
putting
a
gate
in
the
wall.
I
think
that
that
does
actually
come
under
making
the
property
more
habitable.
C
What
I'm
really
concerned
about-
and
I
know
that
plaza
volunteen-
has
been
upgraded
greatly
over
the
past.
Several
years
is
just
that
that
it
really
has
gone
from
a
sort
of
small
scale
in
that
the
houses
were
somewhat
small
scale
to
being
very
large
scale
by
people
who
have
been
here
for
maybe
not
even
a
decade
or
less
and
1100
square
feet
on
that
house
seems
enormously
large,
especially
when
you
come
into
the
board
and
ask
for
a
designation
of
a
primary
facade
and
then
just
go
oh
well.
C
Who
cares
we'll
go
forward
we'll
get
enough
people
to
support
us
again?
I
would
ask
the
board
to
look
at
the
criteria
to
see
if
it
has
been
met,
if
it's
only
the
one
about
conforming
to
the
streetscape,
whatever
I
guess,
you'll
approve
it,
because
the
neighbors
are
telling
you
that
it
does.
But
again,
I
find
it
unfortunate
that
that
neighborhood,
that
little
enclave
has
actually
become
an
enclave.
C
B
B
B
The
owners
shared
the
revised
plans
with
me,
both
the
original
layout
and
of
the
property
and
their
proposed
editions.
We
reviewed
them
carefully.
I
find
their
plans
to
be
reasonable
and
in
keeping
with
the
historic
character
of
our
neighborhood
and
would
like
to
recommend
that
as
long
as
the
plans
are
consistent
with
the
historic
board's
policies,
let
the
board
approve
the
plans.
I'd
be
glad
to
offer
any
further
comments
or
answer
questions
with
best
wishes
douglas
preston.
C
C
J
Oh-
and
I
do
I
wanna
mention
that
there
are
only
gonna,
be
two
bedrooms
in
the
house.
We
couldn't
fit
any
more
in
the
house
and
that's
why
we
have
another
bedroom
in
the
casita.
H
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
This
is
just
perhaps
a
comment
as
I'm
struggling
through
this.
You
know
looking
at
the
photograph
as
compared
to
the
rendering
it's
a
couple
things
jump
out,
one
is
the
rendering
is
showing
what
is
undeniably
a
more
attractive
building.
H
The
other
is
that
the
existing
building
no
longer
really
exists
after
the
renovation
is
done.
I
mean
in
essence
it's
a
new
building
all
together,
so
it
me
at
least
in
something
of
a
quandary
as
to
the
board's
designation
of
this
as
a
significant
or
rather
contributing
structure,
as
well
as
the
designation
of
the
primary
facades,
because
it
clearly
would
not
be,
in
my
mind,
contributing
any
longer
after
if
these
renovations
took
place.
H
Nor
would
the
primary
facades
really
even
exist
any
longer
in
any
in
any
recognizable
form,
so
it's
sort
of
as
if
you
had
an
idea-
and
I
guess
it
went
through
some
iterations
of
a
renovation
that
really
got
stymied
by
the
board's
designation
of
the
contributing
status
as
well
as
the
as
you
pointed
out,
the
multitude
of
primary
facades,
and
I'm
not
sure
where
that
leaves
us.
I
mean
in
my
mind
this
cannot
be
approved.
H
H
On
the
other
hand,
I'm
willing
to
reconsider
whether
or
not
those
primary
facade
designations
were
accurate
or
appropriate
in
the
first
instance.
So
that's
the
quandary.
I'm
in
I
mean,
as
I
say,
it's
undeniably
a
better
design,
but
it
may
as
well
almost
be
a
new
building
being
constructed
in
that
historic
location
that
that's
that's
the
presentation
we'll
make
once
it's
been,
that.
J
Wasn't
at
all
the
the
consideration,
what
I
was
trying
to
do,
because
you're,
forgetting
that
the
presentation
on
the
street,
the
new
rooms,
the
1950s
rooms
and
the
1970s
rooms
are
taller
and
and
have
the
and
have
a
a
language
and
we're
repeating
on
that
on
that
facade.
J
So
it's
actually
and
actually
we're
not
trying
to
obliterate
part
of
that
part
of
the
house
we're
trying
to
match
the
house
that
does
remain
so
you're
you're
you're,
not
looking
at
the
elevations
of
the
of
the
on
the
street
that
were
also
categorized.
One
of
them
facades
was
actually
categorized
as
a
primary
facade
and
that's
what
we
are
trying
to
to
match.
Okay,.
H
J
H
H
I
think
that
he
does
I'm
not
sure
if
they
actually,
if
he
actually
addressed
the
primary.
But
that
is
a
really
dramatic
change
and
I
don't
think
you're
picking
up
anything
other
than
just
pure
territorial
design
elements.
I
don't
think
you're
picking
up
something
from
the
vernacular
house.
There
are
you
with
the
french
doors
and
the
territorial
style
portal.
H
J
H
H
But
the
south
facade
is
really
that's
where
the
chicken
coop
was
originally
if
it
was
a
chicken
coop
correct.
So
it's
natural
that
that's
the
oldest
part
as
well
as
the
most
handmade
vernacular
part
of
the
house,
so
I'm
not
sure
that
changing
it
to
match
other
elements
would
actually
be
appropriate
anyway.
A
J
So
it's
something
like
that
that
we're
keeping
that
with
that
elevation,
we're
keeping
and
that's
more
in
line
with
what
we're
proposing
for
the
rest
of
the
house.
H
A
H
N
N
Chair,
I
agree
with
member
bienvenue.
I
am
wondering
why
this
house
was
designated
primary
and
why
the
facades
were
designed
are
contributing,
why
the
facades
were
designated
primary.
That
were.
I
think
that
the
design
that
mr
artemis
has
presented
to
us
is
a
much
more
attractive
house.
I
can
understand
where
the
neighbors
would
like
that
it
go
through,
and
I
would
support
the
application
with
the
proviso
that
the
house
status
be
adjusted
to
non-contributing.
C
Thank
you,
member
cats.
I
don't
think
that
we
could
do
that
this
evening.
I
mean
it's
we
have
to
that,
would
have
to
be
addressed
and
publicized
if
we're
going
to
downgrade
a
property
that
that
has
a
contributing
status.
F
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
I'm
I'm
sympathetic
to
the
applicants
articulation
of
the
difficulty
of
proposing
changes
to
this
property,
given
the
facade
designations.
I
think
I
think
the
previous
board
member
comments
really
kind
of
hit
the
nail
on
the
head
as
far
as
what
the
critical
issue
is
here
with
with
the
number
of
facades,
I
guess
that's.
That's
really
the
thing
that
I'd
like
to
drill
down
on
just
a
little
bit.
F
I'm
not
sure
that
in
in
designating
facades,
the
board
was
clear
as
to
what
makes
this
house
special,
the
the
facade
designation
and
the
discussion
and
the
presentation
by
daniel,
because
he
was
managing
that
case
at
the
time
was
looking
for
breadcrumbs.
You.
G
F
Match
this
one
in
dimensions,
what
can
we
see
as
relationships
and
and
a
lot
of
things
were
designated
primarily
because
they
were
old
or
because
we
saw
these
kind
of
mysterious
relationships
or
those
were
presented?
I
I
think
the
board
should
have
been
in
a
place
where
we
and
staff
were.
We
could
be
much
more
clear
about
what
is
special
about
the
house
and
much
more
precise
in
a
designation
of
a
facade,
primary
or
the
features.
The
contributing
features
that
make
the
house
special.
F
I
I
understand
that
you
know
people
have
a
right
to
fix
problems
with
the
house
to
make
historic
structures
in
the
israeli
district
livable
to
make
changes
that
that
really
allow
them
to
live
in
the
historic
districts
and
for
us
to
have
a
a
working
district
and
not
just
a
museum-
that's
kind
of
trapped
in
amber,
but
I
think
neither
the
board
nor
the
application
really
recognizes
what
is
truly
special
about
the
house.
Some
things
are
are
fortunately,
left
that
portal.
F
F
I
would
play
for
great
favor,
greater
clarity
if
this
house
is
to
be
contributing
that
the
division
and
this
board
better
articulate
what
about
this
house
needs
to
be
kept
and
what
can
change
I'd
like
the
applicant
to
be
clearer
about-
what's
beautiful
and
what's
nice
about
this
house
and
and
and
and
follow
from
that
from
that
board
decision.
F
But
I
think
given
what's
transpired,
I
think
that's
a
that's
a
lot
to
ask
the
applicant
to
to
kind
of
go
through
a
whole.
M
F
Redesign
the
design
we
see
before
us
is
fine.
Is
it
the
most
sensitive
response
to
to
what
I
find
attractive
about
the
house?
No,
is
it
the
most
sensitive
response
to
the
kind
of
vernacular
that's
evolved
over
time
in
santa
fe?
No,
I
is
it
a
little
bit.
Is
it
a
lot
of
gentrification?
Yes,
that's
that's
where
I'm
at
at
the
design,
but
I
don't
think
this
board
or
the
division
gave
the
the
correct
direction
in
the
beginning.
F
F
Assuming
you
know,
assuming
that
those
those
those
design
features
contribute
to
the
district.
I
I
you
know
I'm
having
a
little
trouble
understanding
why
there
would
be
a
full
downgrade
as
a
result
of
an
approved
design
approved
by
this
board
and
by
this
dec
by
this
division
that
shouldn't
happen.
C
C
Your
comments,
so
you
feel
that
what
is
being
presented
this
evening
is
acceptable,
but.
G
Yeah,
I
have
just
a
couple
of
comments
just
in
regards
to
the
exception
criteria.
I
think
you
know
the
the
way
that
this
project
has
been
framed.
I
think
you
know,
maybe
it
doesn't
indicate
or
represent.
You
know
the
appreciation
of
the
vernacular
style,
and
I
think
staff's
response
has
has
addressed
this
very
well.
G
Yes,
it's
very
appealing
and
it's
an
effort
to
sort
of
you
know,
as
anthony
had
said
it's
an
effort
to
like
improve,
or
in
other
words
like
you
know,
gentrify
the
neighborhood.
So
I
guess
that's.
The
only
issue
that
I
have
is
the
way
that
this
presentation
has
been
framed
as
sort
of
an
active
improvement
through
you
know
beautifying
architecture,
and
I
think
you
know
one
of
the
reasons
or
one
of
the
challenges
we're
facing
right
now
is
that
you
know
to
capture
the
vernacular
character
of
this
building.
G
I
think
we
did
it
in
a
very
piecemeal
way
in
designating
several
primary
facades,
and
I
think
that
in
in
that
we've
sort
of
lost
the
you
know
the
the
actual
character
of
this
house.
I
don't
know
that
we've
completely
captured
it
and
the
character
really
is
that
you
know
walk
through
time
and
sort
of
you
know
small
projects
that
were
done
throughout
the
years.
G
We
have
sections
from
the
40s
50s
and
70s,
so
you
know,
I
think
there
it
makes
sense
logically
to
attach
to
the
territorial
elements
of
the
the
original
vernacular
building
and
to
sort
of
take
that
design
fully
into
you
know
a
style.
So
I
think
you
know
in
our
efforts
to
try
to
capture
the
vernacular
character
of
this
building.
G
You
know
architectural
profile
and
sort
of
circulation
around
this
building.
You
know
we
just
selected
based
on
the
fabric,
which
is
sort
of
what
can
get
us
into
trouble.
I
think,
when
we're
very
focused
on
the
materials
we
can
lose
the
sense
of
the
bigger
picture,
so
I
think
that's
what's
making
this
decision
really
difficult.
C
Still
cannot
hear
you
hold
on
a
minute.
N
N
Good,
I
think
that
we're
all
puzzling
over
the
problem
of
vernacular
versus
something
that
more
closely
meets
the
style
criteria
and
that
we
didn't
do
it
perhaps
a
good,
thorough
job
on
this.
I
think
where
we
need
to
do.
N
I
I
don't
see
how
we
could
possibly
approve
this
tonight
and
I
think
what
we
need
to
do
is
postpone
it
and
notice
it
for
perhaps
a
status
change
or
primary
facade
change
along
with
the
design,
and
it
may
be
that
the
end
result
is
that
we
desi
decide
that,
while
this
design
is
pretty,
it
doesn't
reserve
enough
of
the
house
that
we
think
should
be
preserved.
Or
maybe
we
decide
that
yeah.
D
E
My
name
is
john
eddie
po
box
845,
santa
fe,
new
mexico,
tetsuki
new
mexico,
a
little
confusing
out
there.
Thank
you,
madam
chair
board
members.
I
appreciate
the
patience
that
you're
applying
here,
and
this
is
a
conflict
between
I'll
put
it
in
grosser
terms.
Gentrification
versus
the
vernacular
essentially.
E
Here
not
making
a
judgment,
but
that's
kind
of
what
I
see
happening.
I
do
think
that
it
is
very
confusing
that
the
primary
facades
were
chosen
as
they
were,
and
I
think
maybe
there
wasn't
really
the
right
amount
of
diligence
or
judgment
in
that
process.
I
watched
you
consider
this
over
the
time
when
you
did
it,
and
I
know
you
were
careful
about
it,
but
this
has
thrown
us
into
a
situation
where
it
is
confusing
for
everyone.
E
I
want
to
point
out
in
the
big
picture
of
things.
Loss
of
valentine
is
a
very
important
piece
of
santa
fe
property
because
of
kate
chapman.
Now
I
know
that
some
of
this
property
perhaps
was
used
as
a
chicken
coop
by
her,
and
maybe
it's
not
attributed
to
her,
but
the
overall
view
of
this
neighborhood
as
a
microcosm
of
our
history
is
very,
very
important
because
of
kate
chapman.
E
So
what
you
cannot
do
is
allow
things
to
happen
in
this
microcosm
which
not
only
downgrade
a
specific
property
but
also
may
contribute
to
the
downgrading
of
the
status
of
the
adjoining
residences
on
valentine.
So
I
appreciate
you
being
very
careful.
I
urge
you
to
postpone
this.
I
think
it's
the
right
thing
to
do.
Procedurally.
Procedurally,
I'm
not
sure
how
you
reckon
with
that,
but
I
think
that
you
need
to
revisit,
if
possible,
some
of
these
facades
and
try
to
work
into
a
compromise
that
does
respect
the
vernacular
on
this
property.
Thank.
D
Q
Record,
my
name
is
robin
pettis
and
I
live
at
six
fifteen,
especially
that
is
my
husband
spoke
already.
I've
talked
to
stephen
hughes
extensively
about
this
property.
First
of
all,
his
parents
were
two
hippies,
and
so
they
added
on
to
this
house
just
hodgepodged
through
windows,
together
whatever
they
could
afford
at
the
time.
So
that's
why
the
house
is
the
way
it
is.
It
is
a
very
unlivable
house
sure
it
may
be
2
000
square
feet
or
whatever
it
is.
Q
But
if
you
look
at
the
house,
if
you've
been
through
the
house,
it
has
the
one
bedroom,
a
bathroom,
that's
off
there.
It's
the
living
room.
Is
this
big
lung
and
then
the
kitchen
is
just
just
stuck
together.
They
did
everything
on
a
shoestring
and
they
just
put
it
together.
The
wall
wasn't
even
there
at
one
point,
because
stephen
told
me
they
used
to
drive
dump
trucks
in
that
yard.
Q
So
I
mean
we
make
that
a
a
primary
facade,
but
at
the
same
time
it's
not
like
it's
an
1800s
house.
I
live
in
kate,
chapman's
house,
and
so
you
know
richard
did
an
unbelievable
job
of
doing
the
architectural
work
in
that
house,
and
I
think
that
he
has
taken
this
house
from
something
that
was
just
thrown
together
by
a
bunch
of
hippies
and
making
it
something
that's
going
to
be
absolutely
beautiful
and
you
think
there's
a
thousand
square
feet,
but
that's
on
a
third
of
an
acre.
So
it's
a
huge
lot.
Q
It
has
the
room
to
do
an
expansion
and
yes,
like
this
gentleman,
said
we
need
to
keep
the
flavor
there,
but
at
the
same
time
this
house
needs
history.
These
repairs
it
is
falling
down.
There
were
several
people
that
looked
at
it
and
said
this
health
isn't
worth
saving.
Is
that
what
you
guys
want
for
these
people
to
get
frustrated
and
walk
away?
And
just
just
let
the
house
go
because
I
think
that's
what
what
could
happen
so,
please
reconsider
these
people
are
trying
to
save
this
structure,
but
at
the
same
time
it
had.
Q
No,
you
know
whether
it's
territorial
or
whatever
these
people
just
threw
it
together.
That's
why
richard's
saying
every
window
in
the
house
is
different
because
they
just
bought
whatever
they
could
and
put
it
in
what
they
weren't
thinking
about,
whether
it
looked
appropriate
for
the
area.
Q
C
You
very
much
everyone.
Thank
you
for
your
comments.
C
I
do
feel
that
I
have
to
say
that
the
the
designation,
as
we
all
know,
is
presently
contributing,
and
there
are
many
facades
that
are
primary.
As
stated,
and
in
my
opinion,
I
do
not
vote
except
in
case
of
a
tie,
but
in
my
opinion
I
don't
think
that
we
can
go
forward.
C
Sorry,
applicants
and
richard
because
we
do
have
the
house
is
contributing,
maybe
that
the
designation
needs
to
be
revisited,
and
I
don't
know
if
the
designation,
if
it
is
revisited
if
it's
going
to
be
non-contributing
or
still
be
contributing
with
different
facades.
I
don't
know,
but
there
were
many
comments
that
were
said
this
evening
and
yes,
I
agree
with
many
of
the
comments
that
were
sent
this
evening,
for
instance
vernacular
architecture.
C
As
this
last
lady
spoke.
Oh,
it's
just
a
hippie
house
trust
me.
I
live
in
the
area
somebody
people
are
buying
those
houses,
even
if
they're
hippie
houses
left
and
right
and
vernacular
architecture
in
that
area
is
don
gone
gone
because
new
people
are
coming
in
and
wanting
to
upgrade
and
I'm
not
saying
that's
wrong,
but
that's
what
is
happening
in
that
area.
A
F
F
I
would
hate
to
see
this
applicant
come
back
open
up
again.
The
idea
of
designating
facades
designating
status
and
having
a
totally
different
outcome,
which
would
force
a
redesign,
I'm
very
uncomfortable
with
that
applicants
are
entitled
to
to
spend
money
and
move
forward
on
application
with
a
professional.
M
F
That
the
information
that's
provided
by
the
city
is
is
is
trustable.
I'd,
like
whatever
motion
is
made
to
address
that
concern
that
we,
that,
in
this
motion,
there's
a
clear
pathway
for
there
to
be
a
general
acceptance
of
the
design
that
we
saw
tonight.
C
C
N
Oh,
I
raised
my
hand.
Okay,
I
would
move
to
postpone
this
case
to
the
first
meeting
in
august
and
add
to
the
application
a
or
notice
a
possible
downgrade
of
the
statists,
a
possible
change
in
the
primary
facades.
I
recognize
the
virtue
of
of
the
vernacular
style.
N
Some
vernacular
buildings
are
less
worthy
of
preservation
than
others,
and
it
may
be-
and
I
I
I
slightly
disagree
with
anthony-
who
I
can
understand
the
desire
to
hold
on
to
the
design
that
richard
has
done,
because
it's
darn
nice
and
I
can
understand
that
fidez's
desire
to
have
that
go
forward
because
I'd
rather
look
at
that
design
than
what
is
there
now.
N
S
A
F
A
C
F
B
B
And
we
are
looking
at
I've
only
included
the
pictures,
the
facades
that
we're
talking
about
for
this
remodel
case.
There
are
exceptions
requested
in
this
case,
so
the
first
part
of
this
remodel
impacts.
This
porch,
which
we
the
applicant,
is
proposing
to
enclose
as
a
bit
of
a
sun
porch
with
windows
with
a
recessed.
B
M
B
Is
for
context,
this
is
the
corner
of
the
house.
This
is
a
street
corner
and
we're
standing
out
on
dongas
bar
there.
B
But
the
porch
that
we
see
here
has
is
historic
and,
as
it
is
significant,
all
facades
are
considered
primary,
we're
looking
at
santa
fe
avenue
and
don't
get
far.
Okay.
So
here
are
the
floor.
Plans
existing
and
proposed
this
floor
plan
only
addresses
the
enclosure
so
you're,
seeing
the
windows
there
and
the
dash
outline
is
the
the
change
that
is
proposed,
and
that
is
that
little
recess
over
on
the
right
side,
with
the
door
push
back.
B
This
essentially
addition
to
a
primary
facade.
So
we
have
steps
that
go
down
and
steps
that
go
down
to
an
entryway
that
would
enter
a
basement.
Okay
and
just
make
note
of
the
retaining
walls
right
here
and
then
a
retaining
wall
that
is
curved
here
here
are
the
elevations
east
elevation
there
that
show
the
enclosure.
B
And
then
here
are
the
or
here
is
rather
the
north
elevation
with
the
stairs
that
go
down.
So
what
we're
seeing
is
an
infill
of
two
those
small
windows,
the
windows
here
which
are
added
these
down
here-
that
are
true,
divided
light
a
at
the
panel
three
panel
door
here.
B
C
A
B
B
Were
considered
so
that
may
be
part
of
the
discussion
tonight
and
staff
recommends
approval
as
it
complies
with
the
general
does
science
standards
in
the
dongas,
far
area
historic
district
standards,
which
are
14-5.2.
B
C
If
you
just
stay
there
for
one
little
minute,
so
this
property
has
gone
through
many
evolutions.
My
question
to
you
is
the
different
changes
that
have
taken
place
are
those
all
within
historic
times.
No.
B
Madam
chair,
the
well,
the
the
changes
to
the
main
house
are
mostly
all
within
historic
time
periods.
Now
there
are
other
changes
on
the
property,
because
there
is
a
casita.
There
is
a
treehouse,
the
treehouse.
C
B
Night,
it's
in
the
1930s,
rather
sorry
for
the
delay,
so
just
after
1930
is
when
it
went
to
second
story.
There
were
also
some
changes,
additions,
other
editions
in
the
1930s
on
the
south
end
and
then,
or
rather
yes,
the
south
end,
and
then
we
also
have
some
porches
added
in
1948.
B
Then
it
rather
stabilized
from
there.
The
rest
of
the
property
had
changes
to
the
walls
and
tree
health.
Like
I
mentioned
that
went
through
the
board
and
the
between
the
1990s
and
2000s.
C
B
K
B
That
is
of
note,
so
if
you're
a
little
taller
you,
you
might
see
a
little
bit,
but
the
the
sunken
portal
extends
out
by.
B
A
C
And
in
reference
to
the
portal
or
to
the
proposed
changes,
you
feel
that
those
that
is
something
that
could
be
if
some
could
be
easily
removed.
B
So
the
the
windows
are
pretty
they're
in
kind.
I
mean
not
in
kind
but
like
they're,
they're,
true
divided
light.
They
are
very
similar
to
the
windows
that
are
there.
B
They
are
very
sensitive,
there's
sensitive
enclosure
and
the
proposal
is
to
do
it
in
such
a
way
that
it
could
be
removed
at
a
future
date,
and
that's
really
what
our
code
requires
that
if
it
were
to
go
back
to
its
original
state
that
those
changes
could
be
just
pulled
out,
and
this
very
similarly
one
could
infill
this
with
dirt
and
just
take
off
the
bortol.
B
It
is
an
addition,
though,
to
a
it
is
technically
in
addition
to
a
primary
facade,
especially
due
to
the
fact
that
that
porch,
I
keep
calling
up
for
tall,
I'm
used
to
being
in
the
downtown
eastside,
so
excuse
me,
but
that
that
shed
refine
does
go
up
onto
that
facade
and
so
with
its,
if
it
as
it's
done,
sensitively
with
its
removal
and
infill
of
dirt.
What
we
would
see
that
change
being
is
the
infill
of
those
windows,
those
little
basement
windows,
really
as
being
something
that
hedges
more
on
a
more
permanent
change.
B
C
D
U
The
two
pieces
of
this
project
that
we're
going
to
present
tonight
there
are
kind
of
two
separate
pieces.
It's
really
the
change
on
the
north
facade
and
I
would
like
to
explain
that
one
first,
because
it's
easier
both
of
these.
U
Both
of
these
projects
are
designed
to
make
the
house
more
usable
for
tacoma's
family
they've,
looked
at
a
couple
of
different
methods
of
expanding
space
to
provide
more
space
to
their
family
over
the
years,
including
they
got
approval
from
the
h
board
for
an
addition
to
the
second
floor.
U
So
they
are
continuing
to
look
for
ways
to
make
the
the
house
usable
for
their
family
without
running
afoul
of
the.
U
U
So
those
changes
will
allow
up
to
1250
additional
square
feet
for
them
to
use
inside
their
house.
The
the
second
component
is
the
enclosure
of
the
portal
and
that
that
one's
a
little
bit
more
difficult.
I
want
to
explain
that
one
second,
the
porch
is
obviously
a
beautiful
part
of
the
house
and
something
that
the
comas
family
have
used
actively
over
the
years.
U
Peter
comas
was
assaulted
and
hit
on
his
property
and
shot
and
left
her
dead,
and
since
then
it's
been
very
difficult
for
them.
To
use
the
front
porch
just
because
of
anxiety
and
things
they'd
like
to
get
back
to
that.
So
this.
M
E
U
U
Porch
design
and
doesn't
create
any
anomalies
we
wanted
to
blend
continue
well
with
the
neighborhood,
as
well
as
with
the
existing
house.
The
changes
to
the
north
facade
we
felt
were
very
minimal,
especially
given
the
elevation
they
only.
You
know
the
very
top
of
that
roof
cover
for
that.
Patio
is
only
going
to
be
like
three
and
a
half
to
four
feet
above
the
grade,
and
the
reason
for
that
cover
is
just
because
of
this.
U
U
D
T
T
M
T
For
58
years,
barring
one
year
when
I
lived
in
greece
and
two
years
when
I
lived
in
los
angeles,
I'm
like
the
second
generation,
my
parents
bought
the
house
in
64
and
I've
inherited
the
house.
I
took
care
of
my
late
mother
for
probably
the
last
15
years
of
her
life
in
the
house,
and
that's
one
of
the
reasons
why
we
didn't
do
the
remodel
that
we
got
unanimous
approval
for
the
upstairs
edition
from
the
historic
board.
L
T
Didn't
do
it,
my
mother's
health
was
failing
and
we
would
have
to
move
out
of
the
house
etc,
and
I
I
took
care
of
her
for
probably
the
last
15
years
of
her
life.
So
that's
why
we
just
didn't
want
to
upset
her
and
do
all
of
this
earth
moving
and
all
that
so,
but
you
know
I
don't
plan
on
going
anyplace.
They
they
tried
to
kill
me
at
one
time.
It
was
pretty
awful
to
tell
you
to
tell
the
truth
and
I
still
have
ramifications
from
it.
T
I
have
ptsd
and
I
have
chronic
pain
in
my
left
leg,
but
you
know
this.
This
family
house
is
gonna
continue
on
to
my
son
and
to
my
grandchildren
in
the
future,
and
so
we've
been.
T
Very
proud
of
the
house,
you
know
I
have
historic
landscape
that
I'm
really
proud
of
I'm
proud
of
my
apricot
trees
and
all
the
other
trees
that
that
you
know
my
father
planted
and
that
I
planted
and
that
my
mother
and
I
planted
and.
A
T
I
understand
bishop
lemie
planted
the
apricot
tree,
so
there
you
go,
one
thing
was
brought
up
about
the
north
elevation
and
about
the
wall.
I'm
six
seven
and
I
can't
see
over
the
wall.
The
wall
is
a
little
bit
taller
than
me
on
a
certain
area
on
on
that
north
side.
But
if
you
do
look
in
the
gate,
then
you'll
be
able
to
see
it,
but
I
think
you
know,
with
the
vegetation
and
with
the
way
the
wall
is,
it
won't
be
it'll,
be
it'll,
be
hidden
from
view
for
the
most
part.
G
I
just
have
one
question:
this
might
be
for
the
architect,
but
the
material
that
is
you
know,
sort
of
under
those
raptor
tales
and
where
the
support
columns
are.
Is
that
going
to
be
wood
used?
I
don't
see
it
labeled
on
the
proposed
east
elevation,
drawing.
H
U
We
thought,
maybe
that
that
was
too
much
of
an
attachment
to
the
existence.
So
what
we're
really
looking
at
is
just
doing
a
ledger
for
attaching
those
trellis
pieces
to
the
house
and
not
bringing
brick
down,
as
you
saw
in
that
one
elevation.
G
Yeah
I
apologize,
I
might
have
not
been
clear.
I
was
asking
on
the
the
front
elevation
yeah,
there's
the
you
know,
you
see
the
raptor
tails
over
the
new
windows
and
thank
you
carly
and
then
the
wood
components.
I
I
assume
they're
wood
on
the
columns.
Yes,
will
it
just
be
a
wood
frame
around
that
with
the
windows,
those
leg
band
windows.
S
U
C
F
Thank
you,
two
questions
about
materials
and
detailing
the
the
roof
over
the
basement
recess
the
roof
material
there.
What
will
that
be?
The.
U
Thinking
it
might
be
more
of
a
corrugated
fiberglass,
so
we
could
get
some
light
through
there.
I
did
some
research
on
some
greenhouses
that
were
of
that
era,
and
there
were
glass
that
was
often
used
in
between
some
of
the
rafters,
so
that
would
even
be
better.
We
had
if
we
did
like
a
wire
glass
between
the
rafters
that
would
have
a
cleaner
appearance
and
get
better
light
than
a
corrugated
fiberglass.
F
I
would
wholeheartedly
agree
with
that
and
then
the
second
question
and
sorry
now
I've
got
a
third
question
and
the
material
of
the
rafters
under
this
roof.
These
are
these
are
painted.
Wood,
yes
and
then
last
question:
you
need
a
guard
for
the
stair.
How
do
you
plan
to
address
the
the
fall
hazard
there.
U
U
Just
like
two
inch
tubing
that
would
just
be
elevated,
we'd
kind
of
like
it
just
to
blend
into
the
shrubbery.
Actually,
okay,.
F
I
think
it's
a
critical
component
of
of
what
we'll
see,
I
think
you
know
you
may
be
required
to
do
something
a
little
bit
more
closed
than
an
open,
pipe
rail,
but
it's
something
that
would
be
consistent
with
the
other
iron
work.
On
the
house
I
mean
it
doesn't
have
to
be
wrought
iron
per
se,
but
something
that
would
be
a
black
railing
that
would
kind
of
disappear
as
you're
describing
behind
behind
shrubbery.
That
would
be
great.
F
C
Any
other
questions
or
comments
at
this
time.
Anyone
from
the
public
wishing
to
see.
C
Mr
eddie
has
been
sworn
in
and
he's
gonna
make
a
comment.
This
is
a
significant
house
that
makes
all
the
facades
are
primary.
E
C
E
Respect
for
the
colemas
family.
I
want
to
state
that
at
the
outset,
and
so
this
does
not
impact
that
at
all.
For
me
personally,
I
think
the
north
addition
is
something
that
can
be
considered.
I
like
board
member
guida's
suggestion
that
some
decorative
iron
work
on
that
wall
would
help
immensely
to
not
only
hide
the
addition,
because
I
think
the
addition
is
is
a
stretch
on
that
facade,
but
I
think
it
can
be
handled
in
a
very
tasteful
way
and
would
enhance
the
neighborhood.
E
J
E
On
the
streetscape,
with
with
addition
of
that
architectural
change,
so
I
just
need
to
state
that
so.
E
Careful
with
that,
because
this
is
a
very
significant
house
not
only
from
the
deep
history,
but
also
from
the
history
of
the
comas
family,
being
there
themselves
for
these
generations.
Thank
you
very
much.
Man
thank.
N
C
1601
santa
fe
new
mexico.
I
would
like
to
say
too
that
this
has
to
do
with
what
I
see
as
a
historic
house,
a
significant
house.
C
I
have
been
mostly
friends
with
peter
comas
for
quite
some
time,
and
so
I
know
that
he
will
take
it
in
that
spirit,
I
have
less
trouble
with
enclosing
the
eastern
facade
of
the
porch.
However,.
Q
Q
A
M
K
M
C
M
C
Facade
and
it's
such
a
big
house
and
it's
a
it's,
not
a
large
family
and
there
are
other
structures,
so
I
just
really
wonder
about
the
necessity
of
doing
like
the
doors
and
all
the
windows,
because
you
can
say
you
can
return
it,
but
you
can't
you
have
these
deep
holes
where
nothing
used
to
be.
Thank
you.
B
C
B
N
I
have
real
problems
with
this.
It
makes.
N
N
G
G
G
I
also
think
that
you
know
we
all
agree
on
that
component.
I
think
for
the
addition
leading
to
the
basement.
I
actually
appreciate
that
there
is,
you
know,
more
thought,
that's
going
to
be
applied,
for
you
know,
bringing
more
light
into
the
home
and
and
still
screening
it
in
some
capacity.
G
I
don't
think
you
know
that
it's
detracting
from
the
overall
appearance
of
the
house.
I
think
you
know
with
with
even
significant
homes
we
have
to
let
them
evolve.
We
have
to
allow
you
know
some
flexibility
in
terms
of
you
know
accessing
this
lower
level
from
the
garden
space.
I
think
that's
you
know
kind
of
interesting
for
especially
of
a
home
of
this
style
of
the
craftsman
style.
G
That
outer
inner
relationship
and
circulation
is
really
critical
to
that.
So
I
just
you
know.
I
think
that
this
has
been
done
sensitively
and
even
if
it
is
publicly
visible,
I
think
you
know
the
intent
of
the
owner
is
to
you
know.
You
continue
to
utilize
this
house,
and
I
think
that
this
is
a
very
minor
change
that
you
know
does
not
detract
from
the
streetscape
and
may
even
enhance
the
the
overall
landscape
component
of
this
house.
C
H
You,
madam
chair,
I'm
in
also
in
agreement
that
I
think
that
these
changes
have
been
justified
within
the
application
for
exceptions
partially
due
to
the
unique
circumstances,
the
of
the
occupant
and
also
the
need
for
additional
space,
and
it
appears
that
the
board
already
at
one
time,
approved
a
substantial
change
to
property
to
allow
additional
space.
And
it's
hard
for
me
to
imagine
that
this
this
solution
would
be
any
greater
of
an
intrusion
on
the
integrity
of
the
house
than
whatever.
That
was
so
that
I've
seen
the
plan.
H
In
addition
to
the
railing,
which
is
obviously
required
by
code
and
as
far
as
the
enclosure
of
the
porch
goes,
I
think
that
that's!
I
don't
personally
think
that
that's
going
to
substantially
change
the
significance
of
the
structure
in
this
architectural
detailing
and
certainly
makes
it
more
livable.
It's
consistent
with
what
others
have
done
in
certain
similar
circumstances,
and
I
think
the
house
will
retain
its
integrity
with
that.
And
the
fact
that
it's
removable
is
is
all
the
more
reason
I
think
for
approving
that.
K
F
Point
out
that
the
house.
K
K
C
I
was
just
going
to
say
anthony
that
the
house
wasn't
meant
to
be
santa
fe
style
in
this
area.
C
We
have
houses
that
were
you,
we
all
know
that
our
pitch
roof
and
that
are
brick
and
that
are
of
this
specific
style
and
that
we
honor
their
history,
but
for
the
house
itself
and
for
the
people
that
have
occupied
those
homes
and
mr
comas,
I
do
want
to
say
that
we
were
out
there
for
the
some
of
us
were
out
there
for
the
field
trip,
and
I
do
want
to
compliment
you
for
the
way
you
keep
your
house
you,
I
can
tell
you,
have
so
much
pride
in
that
house,
the
front
of
the
house,
the
sides,
the
back
of
the
house,
all
your
fruit
trees,
and
I
know
that
throughout
the
years
you've
always
kept
it
up.
C
B
Yes,
thank
you,
madam
chair.
I
just
wanted
to
make
a
request
when
the
board
makes
their
motion
that
the
ledger
aspect
that
was
mentioned
by
the
applicant
also
is
addressed,
because
that
was
an
inconsistency
in
the
presentation.
F
F
In
addition,
I
would
say
that
for
the
buried
edition,
the
north
edition,
the
following
needs
to
be
updated
by
the
applicant
and
submitted
to
staff
for
final
approval
based
on
board
discussion.
These
items
would
include
a
design
for
for
an
elevation
of
the
railing
articulating
its
color
and
material.
D
Guida,
yes,
vice
chair
caps,
member
larson,
yes,
the
motion
has
been
approved.
Thank
you.
C
Thank
you,
everyone.
We
are
going
to
move
on
to
new
business
and
the
first
case
is
located
at
1500
canyon,
road,
it's
for
a
status
review
and
carly.
May
we
have
the
information
on
this
case.
B
Yes,
madam
chair,
so
we
are
looking
at.
A
B
You
will
remember
this
from
a
few
weeks
ago.
This
is
1500
canyon,
road,
a
significant
house
on
the
property,
with
a
significant
barn.
Now
this
is
actually
the
last
I
misspoke
last
time,
because
we
do
have
historic
photographs
of
other
structures.
This
is
the
last
structure
that
has
not
had
its
status
designated
rather
so-
and
this
is
the
former
matteus
martinez
farm,
with
a
wonderful
history
attached
to
the
hcpi.
B
B
Excuse
me,
so
this
is
a
non-contributing
garage
in
the
downtown
eastside
historic
district
and
it
set
back
from
the
property
to
the
southeast,
highlighted
in
red.
Here
it
was
constructed
in
1937.
B
in
the
hcpi
you'll
see
that
john
murphy
was
recommending
the
this
as
contributing
with
a
facade.
That
is
the
one
that
has
the
garage
doors,
my
as
an
as
a
structure
on
its
own.
B
The
last
time
we
were
here,
I
was
recommending
that
we
don't
look
at
this
for
contributing
for
several
reasons,
I'll
go
over
in
a
minute,
but
the
fact
that
it
is
a
the
fact
that
it
has
a
it
has
a
certain
relationship
to
the
property
and
the
house
itself,
and
it
does
give
a
more
diminutive
role
but
supports
the
rest
of
property
is
one
reason
that
it
can
very
well
be
significant
that
its
age
and
that
it
is
in
harmony
with
the
house.
B
So,
while
john
murphy
is
recommending
for
the
doors
which
the
elevation
with
the
doors
which
have
been
widened
over
time
as
the
primary
facade,
I
in
in
an
adverse
was
saw
that
the
facade
that
faces
the
street
here,
which
is
the
north,
gives
a
gentle
slope
to
the
elevation.
B
It's
got
that
punched
window,
a
large
map
thing
and
while
it
is
cmu
block-
and
this
is
one
reason-
I
have
a
harder
time
going
contributing
on
this-
because
you
have
certain
walls
that
are
cmu,
you
have
a
wall,
you
have
garage
doors
that
have
been
widened,
but
they
are
adobe
and
windows
that
are
slider
aluminum.
B
So
that
makes
that
makes
this
a
little
bit
more
on
the
fence,
at
least
than
my
initial,
my
initial
assessment
of
this,
but
coming
around
to
the
fact
that
we
do
consider
these
as
very
much
and
our
relevant
code.
Citations
are
a
part
of
this
that,
although
the
contributing
structure
is
not
unique
in
itself,
it
adds
to
the
historic
associations
or
the
historical,
architectural
design,
qualities
that
are
significant
for
a
district,
and
this
particularly
does
add
to
the
property
because
of
its
relationship
to
the
house.
B
B
I
understand,
if
you
do
not,
if
you
choose
not
to
go
with
my
staff's
recommendation,
but
yes
I'll
read,
the
recommendation
to
the
record:
stop
recommends
that
the
historic
status
the
structure
be
upgraded
to
us,
contributing
with
the
north
facade
that's
being
designated
as
primary.
Her
15-5.2
c.
B
Oh
and
here
are
some
lovely
historic
photographs,
and
we
did
there
were
these
other
structures
on
the
property
in
the
past
and
sadly,
are
no
longer
there.
We're
looking
north
and
south
are
reversed.
B
Excuse
me,
and
here
is
the
site
plan,
and
we
also,
I
have
also
included
the
elevations
and
the
plans
if
we
need
to
go
through
those,
but
I
will
stand
for
questions.
Thank
you.
Any.
C
Clarification
questions
remember
benvenue,.
H
A
B
The
barn
is
on
their
property,
it
was
designated
as
significant
a
few
years
ago.
Okay,.
D
C
What
do
you
have
to
tell
us
about
this
project?
Do
you
agree
or
disagree
with
the
staff's
recommendation?
I.
K
K
B
They
would
be
they,
they
are
recommended,
as
contributing
building
and
staff
is
recommending
for
the
north
facade,
and
I'm
not
sure
that
this
was
made
clear
in
the
staff
report,
but
minus
the
actual
window,
but
not
the
window.
Opening,
because
it's
aluminum
slider
and
not
historic.
K
Yeah,
that's
great.
I'm
filling.
K
A
K
K
Is
likely
of
the
original
wall?
It's
adobe
and
all
the
other
walls
are
cmu
so
likely
they
were
replaced
at
some
point.
So
I'll
stand
for
any
questions,
but.
C
B
Bernanke
and
we
still
have
that
samsung
caller
with
a
hand
up,
but
I'm
gonna
assume
I'm
gonna,
go
ahead
and
lower
their
hand
and
see
if
they
raise
it
again
all
right,
stephanie
benanto,
if
you
can
unmute
yourself.
C
A
C
A
C
Is
typical
of
that
time
period
where
it's
extremely
simple,
I
do
wonder
when
the
opening
for
the.
A
C
E
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
I
agree
with
staff's
recommendation
that
this
be
upgraded.
This
structure,
if
I'm
not
wrong,
this
is
the
last
vernacular
example
of
farm
houses
intact
on
upper
canyon,
road.
Madam
chair,
you
might
be
able
to
verify
that
for
me,
but
as
such,
this
property
is
very
it's
very
important
to
us
and
our
understanding
of
how
people
lived
in
santa
fe
for
generations
and
generations.
E
This
shed
certainly
can
be
put
to
adaptive,
reuse
and,
while
honoring,
what
it
is
contributing
to
the
flavor
and
the
culture
and
the
understanding
of
how
that
property
was
used
over
time
can
very
easily
be
upgraded
without
challenging
a
contributing
status,
as
I
believe
it.
I
agree
with
ms
benonopto
that
the
doors
can
certainly
be,
if
not
replaced
strictly.
A
E
C
Let's
see
carly,
if
that
person
oh,
is
available
now.
C
C
N
Likewise
agree
with
staff's
recommendation,
and
I
think
that
carly
did
a
very
good
job
in
describing
how
this
enhances
the
whole
property
and
that
it
it
sort
of
is
supports.
The
beauty.
A
N
The
main
house,
by
not
distracting
from
it
by
being
a
shed-
and
I
completely
agree
that
the
north
facade
should
be
primary
and
that
leaves,
I
think,
room
for
modification
of
the
west
facade
south.
The
side
to
maximize
the
use
of
of
that
structure
and
I'd
be
happy
to
make
a
motion
at
the
appropriate
time.
C
No,
you
can
make
a
motion.
Please.
N
2022-005507
hdrv
at
1500
canyon,
road.
I
would
move
to
make
the
status
of
the
garage
upgraded
it
to
a
contributing
status,
to
identify
the
north
facade
as
primary,
excluding
the
window
itself
in
the
facade,
but
not
the
opening,
and
the
reason
for
the
upgrade,
I
think,
is
the
way
that
the
structure
enhances
the
entire
property
and
goes
with
the
entire
property.
Thank
you.
F
H
Just
as
the
applicants
leave
and
I've,
I
just
wanted
to
say
that
both
in
this
case
in
1520,
I
think
that
the
owners
of
these
properties
are
really
to
be
commended
for
their
stewardship
of
both
of
them,
because
these
could
have
easily
been
coming
before
us
with
very
dramatic
changes,
their
valuable
properties.
H
C
C
O
Thank
you
chair
members
of
the
board
remaining
applicants.
I
am
pleased
to
present
this
case
to
you.
This
is
also
a
very,
very
important
and
special
building
to
new
mexico.
This
is
the
saint
francis
cathedral
school
known
as
that
it's
also
been
used
for
a
charter
school
and
it
has
been
empty
for
a
while.
This
is
at
75
east
alameda,
which
is
at
the
corner
of
east
alameda
and
pasera
peralta.
O
The
building
is
about
a
forty
thousand
square
foot
structure,
two
story
built
in
1948
and
designed
by
john
gaming
in
the
spanish
pueblo
revival,
style.
O
O
It
sits
prominently
at
the
corner,
the
northwest
corner
of
paseo
and
alameda
in
2010,
the
hdrb
upgraded
its
status
from
non-contributing
to
contributing
to
the
downtown
and
eastside
historic
district
and
designated
the
south
and
east
elevations
as
primary
facades.
The
case
meeting
minutes
from
the
april
13
2000
hearing
state
that
the
applicant
has
provided
an
updated
historic
cultural
properties
inventory
sheet
for
consideration,
which
is
in
your
packet.
O
New
hickpi,
describes
in
detail.
The
architectural
and
construction
history
according
to
the
hickbeat
is
not
listed
on
the
national
or
state
historic
register.
It
is
listed
on
this.
The
state,
historic
district's
city
of
santa
fe
and
currently
contributes
to
the
local,
downtown
and
eastside
historic
district,
and
if
you
didn't
follow
all
that,
I
think
find
larson
when
she
returns
to
probably
provide
shed
more
light
on
that
as
well.
If
not
carly
too
two-story
building
features
institutional
standard,
steel,
casements,
its
classroom
windows
across
its
entire
east
and
west
facades.
O
O
These
are
the
cla.
This
is
the
expanse
of
classroom
windows
that
characterize
it
on
the
east
and
the
west
facades.
O
Also
for
the
hickpi,
the
classroom,
wings
long
elevations
are
arranged
as
four
bays
provided
vertically,
with
concrete
spandrels
holding
21
light
steel
frame
windows
at
each
level,
the
bays
are
set
back
from
the
wall
by
14
inches
and
set
off
by
battered
buttresses
punched
with
deep
and
narrow
windows.
O
O
Building
is
constructed
of
clay
clay
tile
with
stucco
and
a
flat
roof
with
pair
pips.
The
windows
are
various
sized
steel,
casements
building
underwent
alterations
over
the
years
to
accommodate
the
changing
needs
of
the
school
in
1961,
a
one-story
addition
of
5200
square
feet
was
added
to
its
northwest
corner.
O
Some
minor
additions
include
closing
a
portion
of
the
southwest
portal
and
adding
a
wheelchair
ramp
in
2010.
Other
minor
alterations
include
adding
storage
rooms
on
the
west
side
and
a
freezer
enclosure
on
the
southwest
doors
are
wooden
steel
and
for
the
updated
hippie,
notably,
there
are
six
mean
shop,
two
panel
with
wood
with
upper
panel
or
ornamentation.
O
Here's
more
up-to-date
drawings-
I
don't
know
if
you
prefer
that
I
leave
photographs
up
or
would
you
like
to
look
at
drawings.
O
A
low
four
feet:
high
stucco
masonry
wall,
extends
from
the
southwest
corner
along
the
east.
Excuse
me
the
length
of
its
eastern
facade
elevation
and
turns
the
corner
to
the
north
elevation.
This
wall.
According
to
the
hip
p
post
states,
1978
inferred
that
it's
not
historic
according
to
hickey,
it
was
constructed
after
them
a
six
feet.
High
masonry
and
stucco
yard
wall
extends
along
the
north
elevation's
parking
lot.
This
wall
is
historic
on
the
south
elevation.
C
Much
I
thought
I
heard
you
say:
two
walls
were
contributing.
You
said
the
south
elevation
wall
was
there.
Another
wall
clarified.
O
Into
the
staff
report
excuse
me,
chair
is
two
of
the
walls
are
historic
and
I
referred
to
the
only
one
of
them.
The
north
wall
is
also
historic.
I
did
not
include
that
in
my
recommendation
here,
but
I
am
including
it
now.
O
The
the
north
wall,
that
is
on
the
it,
actually
extends
from
the
east
eastern
elevation
section
of
wall,
that's
to
the
north
of
the
building,
connects
to
the
building
north.
It's
a
section,
that's
historic!
It's
where
we
were
today
when
we
walked
around
to
meet
heather.
Okay,
that
makes
sense
the
wall
is
that
portion
is.
F
B
O
I
think
I
have
to
go
to
the
aerial
well,
so
that
elevation,
that's
the
east
elevation
shows
the
non-historic
paseo
facing
wall
and
the
wall
there's
a
there's,
an
opening
in
it
and
then
the
wall
that
wall
that's
after
the
opening
is
historic.
F
O
O
So
we're
looking
at
north
is
up
classroom
wing
north
south
on
the
street.
To
the
east
is
the
cerede
peralta
and
then
the
street
to
the
south
is
east
alameda
the
wall
along
paseo
de
peralta,
all.
O
To
where
it
doesn't
it
doesn't
turn
the
corner
south.
It
starts
at
inset
from
the
property
it
has
a
connecting
wall
to
the
building,
and
then
it
connects
out
to
paseo.
So
that
is
that
is
a
that
is
more
of
a
modern
wall.
It's
not
it's!
It's
post,
1978.!
B
O
From
the
ariel
carly's,
just
assisted
me
in
highlighting
in
red
the
historic
portions
which
is
which
is
up
here
towards
the
you
know,
the
north
east
corner
of
the
building
that
portion
is
historic.
The
blue
portion,
which
heads
south
and
stops
at
the
building
is
non-historic
and
then
there's
no
wall
in
the
front
of
the
school,
and
then
it
resumes
the
historic
yard
wall.
Actually,
that
is
part
of
the
historic
yard
wall
that
extended
all
the
way
around.
That
catholic.
C
Any
other
questions
yes,
remember.
Larson.
G
Hey
angela,
first
of
all,
I'm
really
appreciative
of
all
the
information
and
the
packet.
The
hickey
report
is
really
substantial
and
you
know
really
delves
into
the
interesting
history
of
the
building.
So
I
guess
I
just
would
like
a
little
more
clarity
behind.
You
know
why
this
is
contributing
versus
significant.
O
O
Mainly,
I
think
in
his
reasoning,
is
that
it
was
not
one
of
meme's
greatest
buildings.
His
rationale
is
that
it
borrowed
from
you
know
is
another
principal
in
his
firm
that
worked
on
institutional
projects
and
and
meme
was
you
know
he
commissioned.
He
was
commissioned
with
a
lot
of
those.
O
O
It's
a
unique
institutional,
architectural
style
credited
to
meme
and
is
found
it's
worthy
found
in
other
parts
of
new
mexico,
but
in
particular
the
university
of
new
mexico.
O
O
O
O
That's
that's
where
we
go
into
the
discussion
of
how
this
particular
hippie
drafter
believes
that
this
is
not.
You
know,
I'm
paraphrasing
one
of
one
of
meme's
best
and
it
actually
does
possess
all
of
all
of.
What's
there
is
historic,
it
was
it
was.
It
was
added
onto
in
1961
before
I
was
born
and
it
was
part
it's
historic.
O
So
I
just
would
like
to
answer
your
question
in
that
way
to
say
that
I
don't
necessarily
believe
it
meets
the
threshold
of
significant
status
similar
to
this
hickpies
author,
but
it
meets
the
threshold
for
certainly
contributing,
and
it
is
an
extremely
important
cultural,
public,
well,
institutional
building
to
santa
fe
yeah.
G
Yeah
then
that's
sort
of
where
I
was
leading
to
is
this
is
a
really
nice
complete
hectic
report
with
a
lot
of
research,
but
the
determination
is
quite
unclear
the
argument
it
could
be
interpreted
in
different
ways.
I
think
for
me
the
way
that
I
interpret
it
is
while
it
may
not
be.
You
know
the
pinnacle
of
architecture
in
new
mexico.
It
does
have.
G
You
know
there
is
something
to
say
about
the
sort
of
rapid
post-war
development
that
occurred,
so
that
indicates
more
to
like
the
the
actual
period
of
development
and
the
social
sort
of
significance
in
post-war
architecture,
and
you
know
to
back
that
up.
You
also
have
some
pretty
interesting
architectural
elements
that
convey
that
as
well.
G
So
in
my
interpretation,
you
know
I,
I
would
think
that
there
would
be
a
little
bit
more
clarity
needed
in
the
determination,
and
I
guess
you
know-
as
for
you
know,
in
your
professional
opinion,
you're
you're,
agreeing
that
this
is
not
worthy
of
significant
status
and
you're.
Basing
that
decision
off
of
the
recommendation
of
the
hippie
report.
O
To
clarify,
I
actually
am
not
basing
it
off
the
hickory
report,
okay,
because
I
think
it's
un
unclear
as
well.
I
believe,
because
significant
status
is
is
the
highest
well,
not
landmark,
that
would
be
the
highest,
but
it's
it.
It
may
basically
says
every
facade
is
primary
by
definition
of
a
significant
building
and
I've
had
one
case
before
where
it
was
essentially
an
unchanged
complex,
and
that
became
significant.
O
This
has
minor
changes
to
some
portions,
although
the
additions
are
all
historic,
except
for
the
yard
wall,
and
because
of
that,
I
see
it
as
meeting
the
definition
of
contributing
more
closely
so.
G
C
And
that
was
the
last
case
for
this
evening,
anything
under
discussion
items-
and
I
just
have
matters
from
the
board.
You
know
I
was
very
frustrated
with
the
unsolving
of
the
electronic
issues.
We
really
have
to
get
that
under
control.
C
B
Chair,
we
will
be
looking
for
more
regular
consistency
with
all
of
the
extra
players
that
is
required
for
a
hybrid
meeting,
which
is
what
we
have
to
do.
Occasionally
we're
going
to
have
board
members
attending
by
zoom,
and
we
also
need
to
have
public
attending
by
sam
and
I'm
reminded
on
a
regular
basis
of
those
those
needs
from
our
public
and
our
and
staff
and
other
members.
So
especially,
applicants
who
cannot
be
here
in
person.
So.
B
Yes,
it's
consistency.
C
F
F
I
you
know
I
my
point
of
view
is
that
it's
always
going
to
be
imperfect
and
that
you
know-
and
I
would
agree
that
one
or
the
other
is
probably
easier.
Probably
the
zoom
is
probably
the
easiest
one
in
my
view,
but
this
is
we're
going
through
a
transition
period
and
I'd
just
like
to
recognize.
C
You
it
is
19
now
roll
call
vote.