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A
B
Good
evening,
everyone
we
are
the
historic
districts
review
board
and
I
am
calling
this
meeting
to
order
Melissa.
May
we
have
a
roll
call?
Please?
Yes,.
E
B
Thank
you.
Are
there
any
changes
to
the
agenda.
B
H
Thank
you,
madam
chair
Melissa,
just
one
change,
page
13,
the
fifth
paragraph
down:
it's
Italian
8,
a
t
e.
I
Checked,
thank
you
Melissa
on
page
18,
the
fifth
paragraph
third
sentence
reads:
the
board's
role
is
to
could
you
please
change
it
to
consider
this
state
project,
while
balancing
that.
E
B
B
F
You,
madam
chair,
all
of
my
changes
are
on
page
12,
paragraph
seven,
the
same
change
that
member
Guida
pointed
out
about
the
spelling
of
italianate
building
the
next
one
was
she
thought
the
six
foot
setback
change
was.
Let's
see,
the
setback
change
was
needed
to
insufficient
in
the
sentence.
Sorry
before
that,
that
reads
and
pattern
in
proportion
of
the
windows
add
in
our
knots,
in
harmony
with
the
streetscape
and
then
at
the
very
end
of
the
paragraph,
add
in
or
a
preference
after
is
a
requirement.
F
J
The
third
sentence
take
out
the
words
and
Country
at
the
end
of
that
sentence
and
and
then
first
paragraph
on
page
18
First
full
sentence
where
it
states
the
brick
building
is
a
beautiful
building.
Comma.
Add
the
word,
but
before
said
by
the
governing
body
to
be
non-contributing,
that's
all
I
have
thank
you.
K
H
B
Thank
you.
We
have
seven
findings
of
fact
and
conclusions
of
law
any
changes
to
any
of
these.
B
It
appears
member
benvenue.
J
J
J
I
would
ask
that
the
phrase
are
not
uncharacteristic
of
the
Spanish
Pueblo
style
be
deleted
for
the
reason
that
the
board
discussion
indicated
that
they
were
not
of
traditional
Spanish
style,
but
they
were
similar
to
the
existing
Windows,
which
was
the
reason
for
the
approval
then
on
subparagraph
C,
where
it
states
the
new
windows
are
divided
light
comma
characteristic
of
the
Spanish
Pueblo
Style
again.
For
the
same
reasons,
I
would
delete
characteristic
of
the
Spanish
Pueblo
Style.
E
I
Just
a
question
for
our
staff:
I
didn't
see
the
findings
of
facts
and
conclusions
of
law
for
the
St
John's
case.
Is
that
delayed
for
a
reason.
A
Kara
Beach
I'd,
remember
I'm,
sorry
serious,
remember,
Beachside.
The
finance
and
faction
conclusions
of
law
were
not
finished
by
by
the
attorney
due
to
an
unexpected
illness
and
you
will
be
seeing
them
at
the
next
meeting.
B
J
You,
madam
chair,
sorry,
I
just
had
one
more
in
case
2022-5859
hdrb,
500,
Montezuma
Avenue
in
conclusion
of
law.
Number
two
I
would
delete
the
and
after
the
semicolon
and
subparagraph
B
delete
the
period
at
the
end
of
sub.
Paragraph
see
add
the
word
add
a
semicolon
and
the
word
and
and
then
add
a
sub
paragraph
D,
stating
that
the
vertical
Windows
not
go
all
the
way
to
the
parapet.
As
consistent
with
the
findings
of
fact,.
B
Thank
you.
If
there
are
no
further
changes,
I
will
entertain
a
motion
to
approve
these
as
amended
and.
H
B
A
Yes,
Stephanie
benonato
would
like
to
speak
Stephanie,
you
can
unmute
and
please
state
your
name
and
address.
L
Stephanie
benanato
PO
Box
1601,
Santa,
Fe
New
Mexico
I,
had
asked
Miss
lamboy
to
share
a
something
I
sent
to
her,
which
was
about
staircases
and
elevators
inside
buildings,
and
I
wanted
to
show
you
that
in
the
case
on
Palace
that
an
interior
elevator
would
have
taken
out
only
some
of
the
ceiling
rather
than
having
the
historic
material
of
a
wall
and
window
the
exterior
window
and
wall
removed,
which
didn't
really
seem
to
bother
the
board
all
that
much,
and
it
seems
to
me
that
the
board
is
going
outside
its
purview
when
it
insists
that
it
can.
L
It
needs
to
preserve
significant
institutions.
I,
don't
see
that
in
the
law
anywhere
I,
don't
see
that
schools
are
accepted
and
oh
yeah
here
it
is.
Thank
you
heather.
If,
if
you
see
this,
this
is
a
really
amazing
thing.
I
was
thinking
of
having
to
take
a
staircase
out,
but
apparently
you
don't
even
need
to
do
that,
and
so
this
was
an
alternative.
That.
L
Impacted
very
little
historic
material
and
would
have
impacted
no
exterior
historic
material,
which
is
your
purview
exterior,
not
interior
and
I
have
to
say
that
I'm
very
distressed
when
the
assistant
land
use
director
tells
you
that
she
and
an
attorney
are
working
around
having
due
process.
Because
the
city
council
hears
all
recommendations
from
Planning
Commission
from
hearing
officers.
They
hear
those
as
de
novo
hearings,
meaning
they
are.
L
And
they
need
public
hearings,
and
so
I
believe
that
every
exception
that
you
grant
is
going
to
have
an
individual
Hearing,
in
which
the
whole
case
will
be
presented
again,
because
that
is
what
is
done
with
Planning
Commission.
That
is
done
with
what
is
done
with
hearing
officers
and
if
you
think
that
the
historic
board
should
be
something
different.
I
would
suggest
that
you
are
not
looking
at
due.
L
B
Thank
you
Stephanie
anybody
else,
or
did
you
wish
to
comment
Heather.
A
A
There
are
some
rules
with
reference
to
what
can
be
an
item
on
the
consent
agenda,
and
so
it
was
our
thought
that
that
could
be
a
possibility
and
I
said
that
I
was
still
researching
it,
but
we
now
do
have
a
definitive
answer
that
it
will
be
heard
de
novo
by
the
the
city
council.
Any
exceptions
that
are
outside
of
heights
will
be
heard
by
the
city
council
de
novo.
Thank.
B
A
With
reference
to
the
concerns
relative
to
exceptions,
lately
staff
has
responded
to
that
and
we
have
submitted
a
legislative
request.
I
have
been
working
with
both
Carly
picarillo,
as
well
as
Nicole
Thomas
who's
a
consultant
and
has
previously
worked
in
historic
preservation
with
the
city
she's,
helping
us
with
our
workload
and
also
those
technical
issues
and
I
have
a
draft
which
wasn't
ready
for
tonight,
but
we'll
be
ready
for
January,
in
which
you
know.
I
would
like
to
sort
of
get
some
comment
from
the
h
board.
A
Make
sure
that
there's
is
is
what
you
would
expect
and
want
to
see,
or
an
amendment
to
the
to
chapter
14
relative
to
the
granting
of
exceptions.
So
you
can
expect
that
next
time
and
that's
all
thank.
B
You
heather,
we
are
going
on
to
Old
business.
We
have
two
cases
sent
our
old
business
and
before
we
move
on,
I
will
ask
I
will
tell
you
that
we
have
a
two-minute
limit
for
speakers,
not
the
presenters,
but
anyone
commenting
on
the
case.
B
I
will
limit
you
to
two
minutes
and
if
Melissa
or
Heather
or
Angela
do
I
have
a
volunteer,
can
you
help
me
with
the
two
minutes,
someone
Heather,
thank
you
and
also
I
need
to
tell
you
if
you
disagree
with
the
decision
that
this
board
renders
this
evening
you
can
appeal
to
the
city
council,
and
that
would
be
15
days
after
the
findings
and
conclusions
have
been
approved.
B
So
the
first
case
this
evening
under
old
business,
is
located
at
220,
Rodriguez
Street
and
do
we
have
the
applicant
here
or
applicants,
and
may
we
hear
that
case?
Please.
A
Fix
that,
while
I'm
presenting
so
with
reference
to
this
particular
case,
22
I'm,
sorry
2022
5463,
the
applicant
is
requesting
a
changes
to
220
Rodriguez
Street,
which
is
dead
in
the
downtown
and
East
Side
historic
district
I
have
both
the
aerial
and
the
vicinity.
I'm.
Sorry,
it's
a
little
small
to
see,
but
the
site
is
located
off
of
Rodriguez
Street
and
in
the
overall
vicinity
is
located
to
the
east
of
Armijo
Street,
where
Armijo
and
East
Palace
Avenue
intersect,
and
it
is
also
slightly
within
the
the
lot
itself
is
slightly
within
the
escarpment
District.
A
So
with
reference
to
the
construction
of
the
house-
and
you
do
have
a
hippie
in
the
packet
that
illustrates
the
history
and
construction
of
the
home,
it
is
has
been
constructed
in
you
know
over
time
and
when
I
first
came
to
night
to
Santa
Fe
in
1995,
I
lived
off
of
Hillside
and
I
was
in
a
family
compound
as
well,
and
the
beauty
of
these
compounds
and
these
residences
is
that
they
evolve
over
time,
responding
to
needs
of
the
family.
A
And
you
know
the
generations
of
the
family
that
live
there,
so
the
little
green
diagram
in
the
lower
right
hand,
corner
of
the
screen
illustrates
things
that
have
happened
over
time.
So
there
are
portions
of
the
building
that
are
estimated
to
be
having
been
constructed
in
1890
or
at
least
pre-1912,
which,
where
it's
Illustrated
on
the
Kings
map,
which
is
that
graphic
number
two
and
then
there
were
changes
made
subsequent
to
that
and
in
1973
it
was
applied,
a
survey
that
was
done
that
illustrates
the
rectangular
shape
of
the
house.
A
There
were
additions
on
the
East
Elevation
that
have
been
since
demolished,
so
the
proposed
changes
for
the
property
include
the
following:
replacement
of
all
doors
and
windows
with
aluminum,
clad,
Windows
removal
of
the
historic
protruding
vigos
on
the
North
Ovation,
which
is
the
picture
on
the
right
hand.
Side
of
the
screen,
that
is,
the
north
elevation,
raise
the
East
End
of
the
north
facade
by
five
feet
or
four
inches,
which
significantly
changes.
A
The
massing
I'll
have
illustrations
for
of
those
for
you
in
just
a
moment
instruct
an
addition
on
the
south
elevation
that
will
can
have
a
connecting
hallway,
which
will
be
a
kitchen
and
add
a
steel,
Arbor
entry
and
yard
wall
connected
to
a
coyote
fence.
So
the
picture
on
the
left
is
the
existing
South
elevation
and
you
can
see,
is
somewhat
symmetrical
similar
to
the
footprint
of
the
building.
A
This
is
a
street
view
of
the
site,
so,
while
the
things
are
somewhat
blocked
by
a
coyote
defense
as
the
as
you
pass
by
the
property,
the
South
elevation
figures
prominently
as
part
of
the
streetscape,
and
you
can
see
the
stepping
of
the
buildings
beyond
that
illustrates,
helps
to
illustrate
the
changes
in
grade
and
sort
of
the
layers
of
development
as
you
go
up
Rodriguez
streets,
so
the
applicant
is
proposing
those
Window
and
Door
Replacements.
Some
of
those
windows
and
doors
are
not
historic
and
staff
has
no
objection
to
those.
A
The
aluminum
sliders,
but
with
reference
to
some
of
those
that
our
historic
staff
has
concern
the
existing
North
elevation,
you
can
see
the
stepping
down
the
Hillside
and
then
on
the
proposed
North
elevation.
The
five
foot,
four
increase
on
that
Northern
portion
of
the
site
illustrates
a
significant
change
of
the
the
building
shape
and
character
from
what
was
historically
on
the
existing
East
Elevation.
You
can
also
see
that
fairly
large
change
for
that
increase
in
parapet
height
by
five
foot.
A
Four
inches,
albeit
the
height,
is
within
the
permitted
height
there's
other
considerations
associated
with
this
property,
and
that
would
be
that
it
is
a
contributing
residence
and
does
have
existing
Heights
associated
with
it
and
those
alterations
to
the
building
do
need
to
consider
things
other
than
height
in
terms
of
impact
to
Historic
status,
and
then
on
the
left
side
side
of
the
proposed
East
Elevation.
You
can
see
the
proposed
kitchen
area
and
connecting
hallway
and
once
again
this
addition
would
be
taller
than
in
True.
A
The
result
of
the
kitchen
addition
is
that
a
portion
of
that
facade
would
be
blocked
from
view
along
the
street,
and
so
therefore,
as
you
proceed
up
the
street
and
remember
the
street
view,
you
primarily
see
the
proposed
kitchen
and
likewise
on
the
west
elevation
there
are.
There
is
a
historic
opening
that
had
been
closed
up,
and
so
they
want
to
re-establish
that
opening
and-
and
so
therefore,
there's
no
concern
with
that
particular
piece
of
those
non-historic
openings
or
openings
that
were
there
historically
being
reestablished.
A
But
the
addition,
once
again,
you
can
see
the
relative
relationship
and
impact
on
the
existing
historic
building,
and
this
is
just
a
detail
of
of
the
building
just
illustrating
the
changes
in
height
and
the
stepping
steps
in
massing,
and
please
keep
in
mind
that
the
historic
building
is
in
the
center
of
the
picture,
where
you
see
the
two
by
two
two
steel
frame:
Arbor.
A
That
is
in
addition,
as
well
as
the
addition
that
is
16
feet,
8
inches
height
at
its
high
at
highest
height
from
finished
grade
and
the
kitchen
Edition,
and
then
once
again,
there's
the
the
northeastern
portion
of
this
of
the
house.
A
That
is
higher
than
the
historic
home
and
I'm
sure
the
applicant
will
have
much
better
presentation
than
I
will
in
terms
of
the
architecture,
so
I'm
just
going
to
touch
on
some
renderings
that
were
provided,
and
this
is
the
west
elevation
and
then,
once
again,
that's
sort
of
noting
the
change
in
grade
and
I
use
this,
because
it
I've
been
talking
about
that
in
our
presentation.
And
then
the
the
view
of
the
house
and
the
pros
pose
changes
will
be,
is
Illustrated
here.
A
So,
with
reference
to
the
exception
requests,
the
applicant
has
requested
the
following
to
construct
an
addition
on
a
primary
facade.
That's
South
elevation
to
construct
additions
that
impact
the
original
form
and
inject
Integrity
of
the
property,
an
exception
to
for
additions
in
a
style
that
is
not
Old,
Santa,
Fe
style.
You
can
see
that
the
the
style
of
the
additions
are
more
modern
in
character
and
an
exception
to
replace
historic
windows
that
are
not
in
kind.
So
the
proposal
is
for
the
aluminum
clad
replacement
window
instead
of
a
wooden
divided,
Light
Window.
A
So
with
reference
to
the
staff
recommendation,
I'm
bringing
you
back
to
this
graphic,
showing
the
evolution
of
the
house
staff
finds
that
the
exception
criteria
have
not
been
met
and
they're
also
that
staff
mindset
the
addition
and
the
changes.
The
overall
changes
to
the
house
would
downgrade
the
status
from
contributing
and
we
would
have
a
loss
of
a
historic,
Fabric
and
character
and
therefore
staff
does
not
recommend
approval
for
the
proposed
projects.
That
concludes
my
presentation.
H
Thank
you,
madam
chair
Heather,
just
just
two
points
of
clarification,
the
what's.
What
is
the
visibility
of
this?
The
South
primary
facade.
A
Chair
Rios,
a
member
Guida
I,
want
to
just
say,
commissioner,
but
remember
groida.
The
the
visibility
is
pretty
significant.
I
will
take
you
back
to
that
street
view.
That's
why
I
wanted
you
to
see
the
street
view
so
that
you
know
as
figures
as
a
prominent
piece
of
the
experience
as
you
go
up
the
streets
which
will
be
lost.
Thank.
A
Primary
thank
you.
Thank
you,
chairman
menu.
It's
for,
commissioner,
being
too
many
commissions
that
I
present
to
so
I.
Remember
being
the
new
I
picked
this
up
from
Carly
picarella,
so
I'm,
sorry,
if
I'm
slow,
that's.
B
C
B
M
M
Sanderson
and
Brian
saracen
they're
they
own
this
property
and
like
to
what
I'm
going
to
go
through
tonight,
I'll
be
as
brief
as
I
can
but
and
we'll
answer
any
questions
you
have,
but
I'd
like
to
start
with
a
little
bit
about
what
this
property
is.
You
probably
didn't
get
out
and
look
inside
the
property,
but
what's
been
uncovered
on
this
property
is
important
to
what's
going
on,
and
what
Brian
and
Stephanie
would
like
to
do.
M
I'd
like
to
talk
about
the
exceptions
and
the
challenges
with
this
property
related
to
the
exceptions
and
finally,
just
have
Brian
and
Stephanie.
Tell
you
what
they
what
they're
trying
to
achieve
with
their
project
and
so
that,
with
that
I'll
start,
as
Heather
has
indicated,
this
property
is
in
the
vernacular
style
and
that's
not
just
the
style.
M
It
was
both
the
methodology
when
this
property
was
built
room
by
room
torn
down
rebuilt
added
to
subtracted
from
that
has
had
an
effect
on
its
structural
Integrity
over
time,
because
these
are
not
built
at
the
same
time
on
the
same
footings,
some
of
it
doesn't
have
any
footings.
M
Some
of
them
are
Rubble
footings
and
the
care
of
that
property
over
time.
Aside
from
it's
having
been
built,
not
in
a
structurally
cohesive
way
as
we
do
today,
it
has
not
been
cared
for.
This
property
was
over
time
being
demolished
by
neglect,
as
you
all
are
familiar
with.
There
were
serious,
serious
breaches
of
leaks
and
water
into
this
Adobe
structure
that
have
destroyed
many
portions
of
the
wall,
the
first
the
northern
side
of
this
property
that
whole
wall
is
falling
down.
M
It
is
structurally
it
cannot
be
saved
according
to
Mr
Crocker
and
his
son,
and
their
analysis
that
whole
four
portion
of
the
north
wall
has
to
be
done.
That's
the
result
of
a
lack
of
care
attention,
love
to
this
property
over
time
and
I
think
that
that
is
the
result
fundamentally
of
how
properties
like
this
fall
in
disrepair
is
because
they
become
obsolete
in
terms
of
the
demands
of
the
residential
market
and
will
help
people
want
to
live
and
the
changes
that
are
made,
people
quit
investing
and
saving
and
and
preserving
their
houses.
M
That's
what
has
happened
to
this
house
and
its
current
condition
is:
is
it's
it's
in
danger
of
being
lost
just
because
of?
What's
happened
to
it?
Stephanie
and
Brian
want
to
make
and
revive
and
restore
this
property.
They
have
taken
the
inside
apart
to
find
the
historic
openings.
They
have
uncovered
the
structural
deficiencies
or
purposes
of
finding
out
whether
they
can
be
this
property.
Can
the
portions
can
be
refixed
or
preserved,
and
every
time
they
look
just
like
anybody
else
in
in
restoring
a
house
finds
things
you
didn't
expect.
M
What
they
found
here
was
some
very
severe
structural
deficiencies
and
deterioration,
and
that's
part
of
the
desire
to
revitalize
this
property
requires.
How
do
we
make
this
property
into
something
that
is
functional
for
today's
needs?
They
intend
to
live
and
work
there
for
the
rest
of
their
lives.
They
both
work
from
home
and
these
four
rooms
are
not
functional
for
those
purposes
and
the
addition
makes
this
property
and
revitalizes
this
property's
functionality
in
a
in
a
residential,
and
it's
not
an
unreasonable
thing
to
add
to
a
property.
M
The
challenge
that
that
brings
to
this
property
is
that
the
south
facing
facade
and
the
west
facing
facade
are
primary
facades
and
the
building
is
tucked
up
against
the
property
to
the
north.
So
the
only
way
to
add
to
this
is
to
add
to
this
property
at
all,
is
on
the
south
side
of
the
property,
so
that
presents
its
own
first
challenge:
how
to
add
to
the
property
in
such
a
way
that
it
minimizes
the
effect
on
the
structure
and
that
particularly
the
south
facing
facade.
M
It
was
the
the
photograph
that
you
were
shown
about
visibility
and,
and
member
of
Vice
chair,
Guido
accessibility.
That
picture
is
taken
from
someone
standing
on
a
wall.
It's
not
taken
from
somebody.
You
walk
up
that
street
and
you
drive
up
that
street.
That
whole
facade
is
not
visible
because
of
the
fences.
You
are
well
below
those
fences
all
the
way
up
until
you
get
to
where
you
can
see
the
the
building,
so
that
photograph
and
its
visibility
aren't
are
not
accurate
in
terms
of
what
you
see
on
Rodriguez
Street
on
this
property.
M
The
effort
that
and
and
Stephanie
and
James
James
stodgel
is,
is
the
drafts
person
and
are
you
an
architect
working.
M
They've
worked
together
to
present
these
drawings
and
they
they
can
speak
to
the
design,
but
what
they
have
tried
to
achieve
is
restore
preserve,
Revitalize
the
structure
itself
and
add
to
the
property
to
make
it
functional
for
residential
use.
A
reasonable
residential
use,
I'd
like
to
turn
to
the
exceptions
and
I
think
the
greatest
exception
that
the.
M
An
important,
probably
the
most
important
exception
that
we're
requesting
is
the
attachment
to
the
south
side
of
this
property.
As
I've
said,
there
is
no
other
place
that
this
property
can
be
this.
This
building
can
be
added
on
to
so
you
can
either
go
up.
I,
don't
think
that
that's
possible
on
the
property
much
more
than
in
the
back
corner,
where
we're
trying
to
do
that
or
you
can
go
out
on
the
south
side.
M
The
intention
of
this
connection
is
to
affect
that
South
facade
as
little
as
possible
and,
as
you
can
see,
it
is
a
single
connection.
It
is
not
a
an
addition
that
takes
up
half
the
the
facade
the
the
suggestion
in
the
staff
report
was
well.
You
could
move
this
addition
or
move
an
addition
further
east
and
connect
it
on
the
East
Side
to
the
South,
to
the
to
the
south
facing
facade
that
would
that
will
require
an
attachment
to
the
south
facing
facade.
M
That
would
actually
take
up
a
much
more
impact
on
the
south
facing
facing
facade,
and
this
is
intended
to
minimize
that
and
it's
constructed
in
a
way
that
it
has
one
attachment
where
the
doorway
is
now
and
it
will
be
constructed
in
his
design
so
that
if
it
ever
had
to
be
removed
or
was
removed
or
it
would
not
affect
the
Integrity
of
that
facade,
I
will
note
for
you
all
that
that
south
facing
facade
is
one
of
the
areas
where
water
damage
has
significantly
deteriorated.
M
The
Integrity
of
the
structure
of
the
building
and
Stephanie
and
Brian
are
working
with
Mr
Crocker
to
try
and
uncover
and
restore
how
that
can
be
done
with
as
little
removal
of
historic
material,
and
we
think
we
can
achieve
that.
But
you're.
There
is
no
way
around
the
connection
to
the
south
facing
facade.
If
you're
going
to
do
an
addition
on
this
property-
and
that
goes
to
the
question,
in
your
exceptions
as
to
a
hardship,
there
is
absolutely
no
way
to
do
it
and
we
present
to
you
that
that
itself
creates
a
hardship.
M
You
cannot
do
anything
to
that.
South
faith
and
facade
in
the
terms
of
an
addition
that
would
comply
with
the
code
because
of
the
nature
of
the
property.
I,
don't
want
to
go
through
all
of
the
exceptions
and
that
sort
of
thing.
But
with
respect
to
that
connection,
we
believe
that
that
that
hardship
is
apparent
and
inescapable
for
the
the
the
owner
of
the
property.
M
Yeah
staff
has
indicated
that
the
style
of
the
addition
is
more
modern
and
therefore
an
exception
is
required
for
the
the
design
I
submit
to
you
that
the
design
is
totally
in
keeping
with
the
style
required
by
the
code
proportions
the
height
the
size
of
Windows
openings.
M
If
there
is
something
that
is
inaccurate
about
that
iteration
of
down
the
downtown
east
side,
traditional
style
we'd
like
to
know
about
it,
we've
requested
that
an
exception,
because
staff
said
that
this
doesn't
comply
with
the
style.
We
submit
that
it
does
comply
with
the
style
requirements
of
the
code.
If
there
is
something
that
needs
to
be
done
to
make
it
look
as
as
Heather
indicated,
less
modern
or
less
contemporary.
We're
certainly
willing
to
do
that,
but
Our
intention
is
not
to
violate
the
style
code
of
the
downtown
East
Side
District.
M
What
I'd
like
to
do
is
have
Stephanie,
and
she
is
the
person
who
principally
has
designed
this
I
tell
you
what
she's
trying
to
achieve
with
this.
The
purpose
behind
the
changes
that
are
being
requested
to
this
building
and
her
intentions.
And-
and
we
can
answer
any
questions
after
that-
that
you
might
have.
B
I
have
a
quick
question
for
you:
was
this
building
vacant
or
not
occupied
for
a
while.
M
It's
they're,
they're
I,
know
personally
from
having
been
by
their
and
through
their
I,
have
friends
that
live
over
there.
The
property
was
vacant
for
a
while,
but
it
just
has
not
been
kept
up.
It's
just
not
been
kept
up
and
it's
falling
apart.
Okay,.
B
N
Stephanie
I
just
want
to
start
sure,
220
Rodriguez
we're
not
living
there
right.
This
second
obviously
I'm
sure
you
went
on
the
field
trip
today
to
the
property.
Did
people
see
it
today?
Some.
N
Great
great
I
just
wanted
to
it's.
You
really
get
a
different
feeling
for
it.
When
you're
there
we
felt
there
was
a
the
elderly
woman
that
was
living
there.
N
They
did
everything
they
could
to
keep
up
the
building,
but
it's
Adobe
and
that's
a
constant
keep
up
and-
and
we
fell
in
love
with
the
building
and
we're
happy
to
be
rehabilitating
it.
But
we
found
some
structural
issues,
so
we
had
two
things
we
really
needed
to
do,
which
is
repair.
The
structural
issues
replace
the
electrical
replace
the
plumbing
update
a
number
of
things.
The
back
North
East
Building
is
the
shop,
that's
where
they've
worked
for
for
years,
but
that
was
never
really
lived
in.
N
It's
an
unheated
dirt
floor
structure
and
that
has
always
had
a
structural
problem
and
I've
had
I've
had
an
engineer.
N
Look
at
it
and
I've
also
had
Crocker
look
at
it
and
I
got
the
same
information
from
both
there's
a
25
foot,
piece
of
it
that
needs
to
be
removed,
new
footings
and
we
want
to
put
Adobe
back
and
put
the
doors
back
put
the
windows
back,
that
that's
a
non-primary
facade
and
on
the
west,
they've
already
made
some
repairs
to
the
Adobe
having
to
bolt
it
into
the
walls
into
the
other
walls,
because
it
was
falling
to
the
West,
the
South
West
facade,
which
is
primary
and
where
we
would
possibly
hopefully
attach
to
that
door,
the
door
window
and
door
in
a
dangerous
shape.
N
The
roof
is
damaged
everything.
So
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
work
with
the
original
four
rooms,
bring
them
up
to
up
to
code,
but
also
both
have
Studios
and
the
kitchen
serve.
There's
a
kitchen
and
bathroom
in
that
Edition,
plus
a
studio
Loft
and
in
the
in
the
southern
Edition,
and
that's
really
important
for
us
to
keep
it
modest
and
small,
but
fulfill
what
our
needs
are
and
in
the
north,
east
Edition
Brian's
studio.
N
And
so
you
know
we
there's
just
the
two
of
us,
but
we
do
need
a
place
to
work
and
a
place
to
live,
so
we've
kept
it
as
modest
as
possible.
It's
not
a
modern.
We
don't
consider
it
a
modern
Edition.
We
I
I
studied
the
scale
of
it.
The
scale
of
the
Southern
Edition
is
only
two
feet
taller
than
the
original.
The
original
building.
N
So
we're
trying
to
keep
it
really
low-key
because
we
love
the
building.
We
just
want
to
get
it
back
on
track
and
make
it
do
what
we
need
it
to
do
as
well.
So,
but
any
other.
Maybe
you
can
ask
me
questions
if
there's
what.
N
Oh
100
of
that
is
the
passageway,
because
we
stretched
out
the
passage
weight
is
13
feet
from
the
south
facade
so
that
it
would
have
some
distance
from
the
historic
building
and
be
very
low,
so
we're
trying
to
keep
that
small,
but
we
also
wanted
to
push
it
away,
which
was
Daniel's
original
recommendation,
push
it
away,
but
also
we
want
to
respect
our
neighbors
to
the
South
as
well,
so
we're
balancing
that
building
is
22
feet
long,
each
of
the
each
of
the
so
the
our
West
facade
is
30
feet
of
the
historic
building.
N
B
This
question
is
sort
of
Heather,
Mr,
Summer
and
the
owner
have
made
reference
to
structural
deficiencies
and
other
deficiencies
in
this
building
was
a
city
engineer
that
looked
at
this.
A
Chariots,
the
city
engineer
or
actually
building
officials
typically
does
not
look
at
remodels.
They
look
at
demolition,
it
is
the
pleasure
of
the
board
and
you
would
like
to
see
that
happen.
We
certainly
can
do
that
prior
to
a
next
meeting.
N
G
I
just
want
to
make
a
comment
about
urine
treatment
of
the
building
and
appreciation
of
the
building,
and
we
may
get
into
more
details
as
we
discussed.
But
I
did
want
to
acknowledge
you
and
thank
you
for
appreciating
finding
some
of
the
original
details
wanting
to
bring
those
out
that
I
was
really
moved
by
that
and
I
liked
on
the
one-page
ratio
to
All
the
Little
Treasures.
A
And
just
in
response,
this
street
view
is
Google,
Street
View,
so
just
as
a
context.
N
B
Questions
or
comments
board
members,
it
appears
that
the
architecture
draft
person
wants
to
say
something.
You
have
the
floor.
You
may
go
to
the
podium.
B
Oh
yeah,
no
I
was
just
looking
at
this
elevation
of
the
okay
of
the
kitchen
and
it
seems
like
okay,
that's
can
you
change
it
to
something
else?
It
appeared
right
there
on
the
left
hand,
side
that
is
the
kitchen
or
what
is
that
that.
N
E
B
Thank
you
and
sir
did
you
want
to
say
something.
O
James
stodgel
and
I'm
at
3858,
Quail,
View,
Lane
I
just
wanted
to
talk
about
how
the
main
design
ideas
are
we're
putting
Lofts
into
the
into
the
footprint
of
the
building,
so
that
we
can
have
more
square
footage.
O
That's
what
her
shop
is
going
to
be
like
on
the
above
the
kitchen
and
that's
also
what
his
shop
will
be
like
above
the
shop
and
that's
the
north,
the
northeast
corner,
and
so
that's
why
the
roof
and
the
massing
changes
and
comes
up
another
five
feet
on
the
northeast
corner,
so
that
we
have
enough
room
to
put
a
floor
in
and
then
enough
for
a
little
kind
of
overlooked
balcony.
That
goes
down.
O
So
that's
the
reason
or
the
main
point
for
why
we're
coming
up
a
little
bit
right
there
on
the
northeast
corner
on
the
south,
Edition
we're
actually
taking
the
building
and
sinking
it
down
into
the
ground.
So
when
you're
outside
you
take
two
steps
down
into
the
kitchen,
so
the
whole
building
is
kind
of
actually
nestled
in
the
ground
and
trying
to
bring
the
height
as
low
as
possible
so
that
we
can
still
have
a
functional
space.
O
Above
the
kitchen
area,
but
I
just
wanted
to
sort
of
mention
that
about
the
main
reason
for
the
height
and
massing.
Is
that
we're
trying
to
not
increase
the
footprint
but
increase
the
square
footage
so
that
there's
more
usable
space
in
the
building
for
the
functions
that
they
need,
but
not
trying
to
make
it
like
impact
the
landscape
as
little
as
possible.
So.
H
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
so
just
a
few
thoughts
about
this
project
and
I
really
do
appreciate
the
applicant
presentation,
the
stuff
that
goes
into
a
reiterate
member
Berkeley's
points
about
the
quality
of
the
submitted
packet.
H
This
is
more
provocative
than
the
type
of
project
we
usually
see
in
the
downtown
and
East
Side
historic
district
on
the
surface
of
the
project,
given
the
number
of
exceptions,
given
the
amount
of
seeming
impact
to
the
original
structure,
it
seems
like
the
applicant
is
asking
for
a
lot
when
we,
when
we
look
a
little
bit
more
closer
when
I
look
a
little
bit
more
closely,
I'm,
actually
seeing
a
really
solid
design
concept,
the
the
rear
Edition
the
north
Edition
is
in
a
place
where
we're
not
dealing
with
primary
facades,
we're
more
than
10
feet
away.
H
It's
a
part
of
the
building
that
requires
structural
repair
anyway,
I
feel
like
the
north
Edition
is,
is
defensible.
Both
I
mean
it's
under
the.
D
H
So
in
my
mind,
that
particular
massing
does
not
diminish
what
this
board
is
recognized
as
being
contributing
to
the
building
status
on,
particularly
on
the
south
and
west
facades,
the
South
Edition,
while
it
does,
from
certain
points
of
view,
block
the
view,
the
public
visibility
of
the
primary
facade,
it
is
pulled
away
from
the
primary
structure
and
I
agree
with
the
applicant
that
the
attempt
to
detach
it
with
this
minimal
and
as
reversible
a
a
Breezeway
as
possible
seems
to
be
the
kind
of
lightest
touch
for
that.
H
H
If
we
can
go
to
the
some
of
the
renderings,
and
particularly
yes,
this
this
South
elevation
or
the
South,
rendering
I
think
I.
Think,
where
I'm
I'm
struggling
on
two
points
and
and
it
may
just
be
a
factor
of
the
rent,
the
rendering
technique
but
I-
think
it's
also
a
factor
of
the
approach
to
the
historic
material
on
the
south
facade
the
impression
that
I
get
from
the
concept
and
from
the
the
diagram
that
we
just
explained.
H
H
Heather
pointed
out
that
the
that
the
shutters
may
not
be
a
historic
material
but
I
know,
but
in
fact
the
applicant
is
asking
for
window
replacements
that
are
not
in
kind
in
this
elevation.
I
think
you
know
what
could
be
a
much
stronger
k.
A
stronger
case
could
be
made
for
retaining
historic
material
on
those
facades
on
the
South
and
West
facades,
keeping
the
appearance
closer
to
what
we
see
on
the
right
and
the
existing
photograph
and
articulating
both
the
South
Edition
and
the
north
Edition
as
clearly
separate
and
non-historic.
To
me.
H
You
know
I
think
if
we
go
to
the
west
elevation
or
the
west
view,
it
was
maybe
there's
a
rendering
of
the
West
I
think
it's
kind
of
an
unfortunate
circumstance
and
the
renderings.
You
know
that
I
think
I
think
the
intent
is
for
that
steel
Arbor
to
be
very
light
and
they're
for
there
to
be
a
space,
then
so
we
get
to
their
Breeze
right.
N
N
You
won't
see
barely
the
roof
of
the
passageway
and
it
creates
an
entry
Courtyard
at
the
same
time,
which
goes
a
long
way
and
the
the
thing
about
the
south
without
the
South
Edition,
it
also
has
to
bank.
So
it's
you
know
at
an
angle
to
follow
the
road
like
the
like.
The
original
building
follows
the
road,
and
so
does
the
addition.
N
Follow
the
road
I'd
be
happy
to
go
further
with
more
and
I'd,
be
happy
to
hear
your
recommendations
to
make
it
feel
more
different
I
would
like
to
use
Adobe,
and
it
is
only
two
feet
taller
which
seems
appropriate
to
where
we're
at,
but
I'm
open
to
recommendations.
H
Thank
you.
The
point
I'm
making
at
least
for
the
for
the
purposes
of
board
discussion,
is
that
I
think
the
way
it's
represented.
It
feels
like
there's
much
more
new
stuff
in
that
space
than
there
actually
is
in
the
in
the
design
proposal.
H
Okay,
so
I
I,
really
like
this
in
concept
and
I
I,
wouldn't
agree
with
the
exception
for
the
removal
of
historic
material,
or
at
least
not
the
replacement
of
wood
windows
in
kind
on
the
on
the
on
the
primary
facades.
H
But
I
do
support
the
other
exceptions
being
met.
May.
N
I,
ask
you
a
question
about
the
windows,
because
I
and
I
offered
this
up
earlier
is
that
if
on
the
two
primary
facades
on
the
west
and
the
South,
if
we,
when
we're
reopening
that
historic
window,
but
if
we
went
back
to
wood
windows
with
the
same
double
hung
pattern,
but
that
were
casement.
So
they
take
a
beating
the
South
and
the
west
and
I'd
like
to
be
able
to
still
open
them.
Because
I
did
this
on
another
historic
house
in
Montana.
N
H
And
those
are
the
rules,
yeah
I
understand
yeah.
Those
are
the
rules
of
the
district
for
the
for
the
divided
lights,
for
the
addition
for
the
new
work.
The
the
thing
that
wouldn't
require
an
exception
would
be.
You
know,
with
the
condition
assessment
on
the
Windows
replacement
in
kind,
which
would
not
be
clad.
Windows.
H
B
I
have
thank
you.
Member
Guida
I
do
agree
with
your
comments
in
reference
to
the
non-retention
of
the
historic
windows
on
the
south
and
the
West
because,
like
we
believe
that
presents
a
negative
impact
in
that
it
does
not
retain
the
vernacular
architecture
that
we're
trying
to
preserve.
M
Madam,
chair,
I,
wanted
to
add
one
thing
that
is
kind
of
along
those
lines
is
a
detail
about
historic
materials
and
the
character
of
is
that
I
didn't
make
this
point
earlier.
I
think
that
the
window
issue
can
be
fixed
by
just
simply
complying
and
removing
that
exception,
and
that's
that
does
away
with
that
issue.
M
The
one
thing
that
Brian
and
Stephanie
are
doing
in
the
shop
area
is,
as
Heather
noted,
there
are
Vegas
and
you'll
see
in
the
photographs
there
are
Vega
posts,
sticking
out
that
side
Stephanie
was
advised
to
cover
them
up,
but
she
is
using
the
same
Vega
as
using
the
same
material
that
is
there
and
just
raising
that
roof
and
we'd
be
glad
to
have
those
vigas
re-established
as
visible,
because
I
think
that's
one
of
the
character,
things
that
we're
talking
about
or
has
been
talked
about
by
staff
in
terms
of
impact
and
I.
M
N
N
D
E
E
F
F
But
for
me
so,
and
I
and
I
also
heard
that
echoed
in
your
testimony
today.
I
get
that
sense
from
you,
but
for
me,
The
Proposal
that
we're
looking
at
today
doesn't
reflect
that
same
sensitivity
that
I
took
away
from
The,
Proposal
I.
Think
there's
just
so
much
about
the
building.
That's
both
being
changed
and
covered
up
that
you
know.
If
these
changes
were
to
happen,
I
think
the
historic
integrity.
F
Is
weakened
from
what
it
is
today,
I'm
also
struggling
a
bit
with
the
fact
you
know
acquiring
a
property
that
doesn't
fit
the
needs
of
your.
You
know,
work
and
home
life
that
you
need,
but
then
claiming
that
as
a
hardship.
You
know
when
we're
requiring
an
exception
for
this
Edition
on
the
primary
facade.
F
So
that's
that's
the
big
struggle
I'm
having
with
the
moment,
is
just
the
addition
on
the
primary
facade
in
general,
I
I,
just
don't
know
that
it's
the
most
appropriate
I
think
this
building
would
be
better
off
by
not
having
an
addition
on
that
side
at
all,
and
then
you
know,
aside
from
the
distance
from
the
addition
I
have
concerns
about.
F
You
know
the
changes
to
the
masses
that
we're
seeing,
which
kind
of
sandwiches
the
historic
portion
of
the
building
and
invite,
and,
in
my
view,
minimizes
it
echoing
member
guidas
and
Madame
chairs
concerns
about
the
amount
of
the
historic
material
being
removed,
such
as
the
exposed
Vega
ends
on
I,
think
believe.
Both
the
North
and
South
facades.
F
Think
what
staff
was
had
concern
of
my
understanding
is
that
they
weren't
being
proposed
to
be
replaced
and
kind.
So
that
would
be
the
concern
because
we
do.
We
do
recognize
as
a
board
that
if
something
is
beyond
being
repaired,
that
it
can
be
replaced,
but
it
needs
to
be
in
kind
also.
Some
general
concerns
about
the
proportion
of
the
windows
and
contrast
to
the
historic
building.
One
example
of
this
in
the
Breezeway
portion
on
the
East
facade.
F
N
They're
not
closer
to
three
feet
and
they
the
windows,
that
the
windows
on
the
East
are
more
pronounced,
they're
trying
to
catch
the
southeast
light,
but
also
that's
a
completely
private
yard.
So
even
the
street
on
the
east
side
is
not
a
street
but
a
private
driveway
to
a
private
compound
com.
So
it's
not
something
that
anybody
else
would
experience
really.
F
Yeah,
it
definitely
and
maybe
it's
a
drawing,
but
it
looking
at
the
South
elevation.
You
have
that
window,
for
instance,
is
four
and
a
half
feet
and
the
distance
from
the
door
to
the
corner
is
far
less
than
that.
It
doesn't
look
like
three,
but
on
this
on
the
new
edition.
Yes
see
yes,
yeah
so
little
details
like
that
and
then
also
you
know,
concern
about
the
steel
Arbor,
which
is
visible
from
the
street
facade.
F
But
those
are
all
just
smaller
comments
that
I
thought
might
be
helpful
in
case.
You
know
in
case
the
board
decides
that
we
want
to
see
this
case
again.
I
wanted
to
have
some
constructive
comments
that
could
be
perhaps
incorporated
into
another
version.
If
that's
the
direction
we
go.
That's.
J
You,
madam
chair,
well,
I'll,
just
make
a
few
comments
along
the
same
lines.
You
know
I
think
we
were
all
very
struck
by
this
building
when
we
did
our
site
visit
for
purposes
of
designating
primary
facades
and
deciding
whether
or
not
it
was
still
contributing
it's.
It's
really
a
remarkable
Remnant
and
survivor
of.
D
J
J
J
It's
just
that
it
no
longer
is
the
building
that
was
designated
as
contributing,
nor
are
the
primary
facades
any
longer
contributing
to
the
streetscape
and
I.
Think.
That's
really
clear.
When
we're
looking
at
the
3D
renderings
of
existing
versus
proposed,
so
I
mean
we
could
nitpick
at
all
the
exceptions,
but
I
think
the
fact
that
there
are
so
many
exceptions
being
requested
or.
J
Way,
I
understood
staff's
report,
but
okay,
at
any
rate,
there
are
four
groupings
of
exceptions.
It's
a
very
dramatic
change
again,
not
at
all
denigrating
the
Aesthetics
of
what
you're
proposing
in
the
abstract.
It's
just
more.
The
what
you
end
up
with
is
something
that
would
probably
be
fine
and
even
the
historic
review
district,
for
example,
but
not
the
core
historic
district,
at
least
for
this
particular
really
significant
building
in
the
way.
J
It
demonstrates
that
vernacular
homemade,
very
modest
and
scale
building
that
that
which
are
disappearing
and
which
will
disappear
in
this
case
that
these
changes
are
made,
in
my
opinion,
so
I'm
just
not
sure
that
this
property
is,
is
really
suitable
for
achieving
the
purposes
that
you
need
with
all
of
the
live
workspaces
that
you're
Desiring,
because
I
completely
understand
the
limitations
that
this
lot
is
presenting
you,
in
addition
to
the
historic
status
of
it
and
how
that
limits
your
options,
but
that's
just
the
nature
of
our
designations
in
the
historic
district.
N
I
can
just
say
that
historic
is
so
important.
Absolutely
but
there's
the
house
has
multiple
needs,
vernacular
building
that
needs
to
be
updated
and
rehabilitated,
and
we
are
trying
to
rescue
the
soul
of
the
building
while
still
making
it
work
for
us
and
and
I
understand
that
if
we
were
to
have
a
studio
space
separate
that
that
would
be
more
amenable
to
you,
but
like
for
us
as
a
family
and
as
a
a
couple
and
there's
a
two
working
people
who's
purchased
this
building.
N
J
Understood
for
us,
I
understand
and
just
on
that
point
I
think
there's
a
difference
in
our
review
of
changes
that
are
based
on
the
need
to
take
care
of
deterioration,
for
example,
but
and
those
that
are
intended
to
just
add
more
space
for
your
purposes
and
I
think
those
have
been
a
little
confused
in
the
presentation,
because
certainly
there'd
be
no
dispute
about
all
the
interior
changes
you
need
to
make.
But
we're
really
focused
on
the
fact
that
you're
trying
to
create
quite
a
bit
of
additional.
N
N
N
That's
the
main
two
things
that
are
happening,
we're
changing
the
drainage
of
the
roof
and
we
are
changing
the
height
by
five
feet
to
get
the
drainage
and
then
to
have
a
modest
addition
of
200
square
feet
less
than
280
square
feet
Loft,
so
that
Brian
has
a
place
to
work.
Sure
so
I
think
we're
trying
to
work
with
the
bones
of
the
building.
J
And
I
appreciate
your
comments
too,
and
I
completely
understand
your
your
conundrum
that
you're
facing.
I
Just
make
a
couple
of
comments:
I
agree
with
what's
been
said
on
the
board:
I
think
your
willingness
to
entertain
a
change
in
the
windows
on
the
primary
facade
and
to
retain
or
reinstate
the
protruding,
because
it's
very
much
appreciated
I
think
that's
a
great
idea.
I
I
I,
like
that,
as
member
Guida
expressed
I,
like
the
idea
of
connecting
an
addition
with
a
minimal
connection
to
the
primary
facade
and
really
distinguishing
those
two
buildings,
I
think
the
addition
on
the
south
is.
You
know
the
fact
that
it's
only
two
feet
taller,
but
it's
taller
than
the
existing
house
and
I
think
a
shorter
Edition
would
be
preferable
and
I
know
that
doesn't
meet
your
needs,
but
just
from
looking
at
that
a
shorter,
even
a
larger
footprint
would
be
more.
N
I
I
mean
two
two
is
a
small
number,
but
the
the
impact
on
on
the
the
perception
of
the
building
from
that
angle
is,
it
seems
overwhelming
to
me
in
a
shorter
version
of
that
would
be
preferable.
The
other
thing
I
would
just
like
to
say
is
that
the
I
think
you
might
want
to
consider
the
colors
and
it
sounds
like
you
might
even
know
the
color.
The
original
color
of
the
windows.
I
think
that
Bronze
finish
is
a
very
modern.
I
Take
on
color
of
windows,
so
The
Painted,
you
know,
colorful
Windows
seems
to
be
something
that
this
house
has
had
for
quite
a
while.
Also
the
color
of
the
stucco
I
believe
it's
sort
of
that
orangey
old
style
stucco,
as
opposed
to
this
more
muted
contemporary
brown
color.
You
might.
N
N
And
keep
it
that
way,
but
we're
trying
to
get
as
close
to
what
the
natural
mud
would
be
and
have
a
hard
trowel.
That
was
just
that's,
usually
preferred,
but.
I
Yeah,
that's
exactly
what
we
we
aim
for
new
construction
is
that
you
take
a
look
at
what
the
surrounding
materials
would
have
been
historically
and
apply
those.
So
that's
a
good
perspective.
B
C
L
You
for
the
record,
yeah
I'm,
sorry
Stephanie,
benonato,
PO,
Box,
1601,
Santa,
Fe,
New,
Mexico
I
am
in
strong
agreement
with
a
member
Aguilar
Medrano
and
member
B
scheid's
comments.
I
think
that
this
addition
to
the
South
greatly
changes,
the
look
of
the
building
offenses
are
not
to
be
considered
and
whether
you
can
see
the
building
I'm,
sorry
I'm,
losing
my
voice
just
a
minute
and
whether
you
can
actually
consider
looking
at
the
building.
L
I
know
I
looked
at
this
building
to
buy
it
and
when
I
would
go
up
there
on
my
bicycle,
I
could
definitely
see
the
whole
front
that
whole
South,
facade
I
think
there
is
an
opportunity
to
add
on
to
the
east
side,
which
I
think
another
addition
on
not
just
that
north
east
side,
but
the.
O
L
Side
that
might
satisfy
some
of
their
needs.
I
definitely
agree
that
the
historic
materials
need
to
be
replaced
and
kind
and
I
definitely
agree
with
member
Aguilar
medrano's
question
or
comment
that
the
applicants
have
created
the
hardship
they
knew
what
the
building
was.
They
knew
the
constrictions
on
the
lot.
They
knew
that.
L
Have
to
get
numerous
exceptions,
and
yet
they
bought
it
now
claiming
a
hardship
because
they
can't
live
work
there
and
so
I,
don't
really
see
how
you
can
create
the
hardship
and
then
or
create
the
condition
knowingly,
creating
it
and
then
come
in
and
claim
a
hard
up
and
I
think
the
stucco
I.
L
Shutters
were
on
the
building,
you
know
traditionally
or
or
for
a
long
enough
period,
even
if
they've
been
replaced
or
in
time
as.
E
B
Thank
you
very
much.
Anyone
else
on
Zoom!
No,
thank
you.
You
know
when
someone
acquires
an
old
property,
they
do
have
many
challenges
to
meet,
but
this
board
also
has
an
obligation
to
keep
a
building
that
is
contributing
as
contributing
and
portions
of
this
building
are
over
a
hundred
years
old.
B
So
that's
where
you
have
the
challenge
and
that's
where
we
have
the
obligation
to
keep
it
as
to
resemble
the
old
building
as
possible
and
I
do
want
to
tell
you
all
that
it
appears
to
me
that
the
board
is
probably
going
to
postpone
the
case
and
have
you
go
back
to
the
drawing
board,
but
we
do
want
to
work
with
you.
The
the
board
is
here
to
they
offered.
B
Certain
suggestions
were
offered
that
I
felt
that
were
good
and
that,
if
you
listen
to
those
I've
sat
on
this
board
for
a
few
years
and
I
must
tell
you
that
there
have
been
old
buildings
that
people
have
renovated
successfully
very
successfully,
and
it
just
takes
a
lot.
It
takes
a
bit
of
study
and
to
understand
the
vernacular
architecture,
and
I
did
read
that
you
all
were
designers
and
and
I
do
appreciate
that.
B
But
listening
to
all
the
comments
that
the
board
had
this
evening,
I
believe
that
that
those
challenges
were
not
met
this
evening
to
keep
those
to
keep
this
building
vernacular.
When
you
look
at
the
building
at
the
old
building
and
you
look
at
what
you've
presented,
there's
a
big
gap
there,
but
I
think
that,
because
you
are
a
designer
I
think
that
you
can
go
back
to
the
drawing
board.
B
If
that's
what
the
board
is
going
to
dictate
this
evening
and
come
back
with
perhaps
a
better
presentation
to
us
at
keeping
in
mind
to
keep
to
try
to
keep
that
vernacular
building
as
true
as
possible.
But
let's
hear
from
the
board
because
I
don't
vote,
I
I
sometimes
simply
make
comments,
but
I
do
not
vote
except
in
case
of
a
tie.
So
member
Guida.
A
Charquita,
are
you?
Are
you
implying
that
there
would
be
no
connection
whatsoever?
It
would
just
be
separate
or
freeze
way.
D
H
A
Sharbios
board
member
Guida
with
reference
to
the
it
the
building
itself
being
freestanding.
There
would
still
be
regulation
as
to
the
following
so
with
the
adjacent
construction
impact,
the
integrity
and
historic
status
of
the
existing
building,
as
well
as
just
a
review
for
the
design
standards
being
met
in
downtown
east
side.
Historic
district.
Thank.
H
Okay,
I'm
ready
case
2022-005463
hdrb
220
Rodriguez,
Street
I,
moved
to
the
board,
postpone
a
decision
in
this
case
and
have
the
applicant
return
with
the
revised
design
that
addresses
the
board
discussion
tonight
as
follows.
H
One
that
has
already
been
discussed
is
replacing
the
deteriorated
historic
windows
on
the
primary
facades
in
kind
and
eliminating
that
as
an
as
an
exception
being
sought
in
this
case.
Potentially
there
is
the
opportunity
to
further
reduce
the
number
of
exceptions
being
sought
with
regard
to
the
style
of
the
building
and
potentially
the
connection
to
a
primary
facade.
H
So
there's
the
opportunity
to
reduce
exceptions
in
that
regard.
As
far
as
the
design
goes,
I
think
a
presentation
that
more
clearly
shows
the
historic
features
of
the
building
particular
regard
to
the
primary
facades
and
potentially
even
non-primary.
The
features
on
non-primary
facades
such
as
the
Vega,
restoring
the
Vega
protruding
Vega
ends
on
the
North
facade
would
be
beneficial
minimizing.
H
The
look
of
the
minimizing
the
appearance
of
the
changes,
or
at
least
differentiating
them
from
the
historic
building
would
be
advantageous.
That
may
be
a
change
of
material
that
may
be
a
change
of
style.
That
may
be
a
change
of
fenestration
I.
Think
minimizing
the
impression
of
large
masses
being
added
to
the
building
through
design.
Moves
could
be
achieved
in
a
revised
design.
B
Are
there
any
amendments,
I
think
that
you
mention
color.
I
Yeah
I
mean
I,
don't
know,
that's
a
condition,
but
it
certainly
should
be
a
consideration.
Considering
the
the
applicants
have
studied
the
building
and
seemed
to
know
the
original
colors
of
the
window
paint
and
possibly
the
stucco
I
think
that
could
inform
maybe
a
different
choice
in
the
stucco.
That
appears
to
be
historic.
On
the
surface.
J
You,
madam
chair,
no
other
considerations,
but
just
clarification
that
these
this
is
not,
in
my
understanding,
emotion,
for
approval
with
conditions,
but
rather
not
an
approval
or
a
denial,
but
a
request
for
you
if
you
so
desire
to
return
with
a
revised
application.
Taking
into
consideration
these
comments,
but
with
the
understanding
that
there
is
no
guarantee
of
any
particular
outcome
at
the
next
hearing.
J
H
I'd
would
like
to
provide
guidance
that
would
lead
to
a
decision
next
time
that
doesn't
waste
the
board's
time
or
the
Public's
time
or
the
applicant's
time
so
I,
don't
I.
Don't
want
to
suggest
that
this
is.
You
know,
roulette
and
come
back
and
see
how
we
feel
next
time.
H
I
agree
so
I'm
I'm,
hoping
that
there's
enough
consensus
within
the
motion
and
and
the
votes
on
the
motion
that
that
this
provides
clear
Direction
to
the
applicant
and
that
the
applicant
is
able
to
work
with
our
very
qualified
City
staff
on
the
design
and
I
I.
Think
staff
is
familiar
with
our
takes
on
cases
that
come
before
us
and
can
provide
good
guidance
to
meet
the
recommendations
tonight.
B
A
I,
don't
believe
a
date.
Certain
is
necessary
in
this
particular
case,
because
we're
asking
for
redesign
so.
H
B
B
C
B
Thank
you
very
much
and
we
hope
to
see
you
next
time
we'll
go
to
the
second
case
under
old
business
and
that's
located
at
513.
Canyon
Road
is
the
applicant
here,
yes,
I
see
the
applicant.
May
we
have
that
report.
Please.
B
P
Good
evening,
Adam's
here
and
members
of
the
board,
I'm
Ramon
sarasan,
relatively
new
here
and
I'm
kind
of
doing,
pensioning
Duty
for
Carly
and
trying
to
relieve
a
little
bit
of
the
workload,
considerable
workload
that
Heather's
carrying
with
current
planning
and
the
historic.
So
I
didn't
prepare
the
packet
so
not
intimately
familiar
with
the
project.
I
went
to
the
site
visit
and
have
a
clear
understanding
and
I
believe
of
projects.
P
P
G
P
P
Summary
of
that
513
Canyon
Road
is
3843
square
feet:
commercial
Gallery,
which
was
once
a
single
story,
resonance
Associated
as
contributing
to
the
downtown
east
side,
historic
district.
The
property
includes
Rock
and
stucco
walls
in
an
L-shaped
building,
with
zero
lot
lines
on
the
north
and
east
side.
P
The
East
elevations
attached
to
the
house
on
the
adjacent
property.
The
house
is
a
Spanish
Pueblo,
Revival
Style
and
mostly
single
story
with
a
small
second
sorry
Edition
in
the
northeast
corner.
P
The
board
designated
the
following:
elevations
on
the
billiona's
primary
facades,
a
South
elevation
I'll
be
facing
Canyon
and
the
west
elevation
of
the
East
wing
and
a
diagram
of
that
facade
designation
is
included.
On
page
two
of
your
pack.
P
I'm
not
going
to
go
over
every
one
of
the
five
editions
that
are
proposed
for
the
exterior
alterations
in
detail,
but
those
are
outlined
on
page
three
of
your
package.
P
Lastly,
staff
recommends
that
all
the
exception
criteria
have
been
met,
but
the
board
may
require
further
testimony.
Otherwise
staffer
recommends
approval
of
the
application,
with
the
condition
of
that.
The
setbacks
are
approved
by
the
board
of
adjustment
and
it
complies
with
14-5.2
d,
General
design,
standards
for
all
age
districts
and
14-5.2e,
downtown
east
side
or
store
districts.
P
So
here
you
can
see
the
location,
so
it's
a
very
prominent
location
on
Canyon,
Drive
and
I'm
sure
you've
seen
this
beautiful
building
it's
outlined
in
Blue
on
the
site
map.
H
P
O
B
Ramon,
thank
you
very
much
and
as
Gala
moves
up
and
gets
sworn
in,
I
just
wanted
to
say
this
is,
as
stated,
a
contributing
building.
They
are
adding
1
000
square
feet,
I
believe
and
for
a
storage
room,
an
office
in
Portal
for
the
new
gallery.
C
K
My
clients
are
trying
to
combine
one
gallery
or
make
two
galleries
out
of
one
gallery,
and
in
order
to
do
that,
we
felt
like
we
needed
an
extra
or
another
entrance
that
was
visible
from
Canyon
Road.
K
As
Ramon
said,
the
building
is
quite
prominent,
it's
very
visible
from
Canyon
Road,
so
we've
left
alone,
the
oldest
portion
of
the
project
for
the
building
and
concentrated
really
on
what
was
we
think,
a
garage
studio
built
in
between
50s
and
the
80s
and
added
another
portal
added
a
little
bit
more
height
to
the
building
behind
it,
so
that
there
is
a
bit
more
stepped
massing
in
order
to
achieve
the
Spanish
Pueblo
Revival
style.
Also
on
this
portion
of
the
building,
I
want
to
go
back
one
I.
K
Guess
that's
not
the
right
way,
and
is
there
a
way
to?
Oh,
let's
see
how
do
I
make
it.
K
I
guess
I
I,
even
though
they're
kind
of
hard
to
read
I,
felt
like
that.
This
really
shows
the
concept
of
what
we're,
after
with
the
two
portals
trying
to
fill
in,
make
sense
of
the
sort
of
elbows
of
the
building
our
elbow
of
the
building
taking
out
the
the
wall,
so
that
both
entrances
are
distinguished
or
distinguishable.
K
K
K
K
So
this
is
the
South
yes
south
facing
facade,
that's
the
most
visible
from
Canyon
Road,
and
this
facade.
You
have
to
actually
be
in
the
parking
lot
to
see,
and
you
can
see
the
the
portal
that
the
existing
portal,
the
other
strong
characteristic
of
the
buildings
and
especially
of
the
older
buildings,
are
the
vigas.
Some
of
them
are
actually
old.
Most
of
them
have
been
replaced
over
the
years,
but
are
in
the
exact
locations
that
they've
been.
K
These
are
the
blank
walls
of
the
adjacent
properties,
and
that
is
it
happy
to
answer
questions.
K
J
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
So
I
don't
know
if
this
this
isn't
a
question.
It's
a
comment
so,
where
I'm
hanging
up
on
this
project
is
it's
it's
a
beautiful
Edition.
The
portal
is
very
attractive,
but
it's
almost
a
duplicate
of
the
historic
portal
and
that
runs
counter
to
our
code,
which
requires
that
alterations
be
distinguishable
from
the
original
structure
and
so
I
think
it's
it's
a
kind
of
sensible
to
do
it
that
way,
but
I
don't
think
it
ever
would
have
been
designed
that
way.
Originally,
it's
obscuring
a
historic
facade.
J
That's
been
there
for
50
or
70
years,
I
guess,
even
though
we
didn't
designate
it
as
primary
and
I
think
it
just
creates
an
odd
relationship
between
the
two
sides
of
the
L,
because
they
just
exactly
almost
mirror
each
other.
At
this
point,
so
I
think,
what's
kind
of
important
to
the
contributing
status
of
it.
To
me
is
the
contrast
between
those
two
facades
and
the
way
the
portal
really
stands
out.
J
Existing
portal,
and
so
I
would
hate
to
see
that
contrast
lost
so
I'd
be
more
in
favor
of
creating
a
doorway
with
a
much
more
modest
entryway.
That
does
satisfy
your
needs
to
delineate
that
as
a
second
entrance
or
even
a
distinct
entrance
for
a
different
business,
but
not
nearly
of
that
scale
and
confusion
with
the
historic
portal
that
is
primary
I,
don't
know
if
that's
something
that
you
can
work
with,
but
that
would
be
something
I
would
prefer
to
see.
J
G
K
K
To
answer
those
questions,
yes,
no,
please
comment,
yes,
I
agree
with
you,
I
don't
disagree
with
with
the
comments
the
I
think
the
scale
could
be
less,
but
certainly
the
owners,
the
gallery
owners
did
want
more
monumental.
K
I
would
be
very
amenable
to
take
different
elements
of
the
Spanish
Pueblo
style
for
this
portal
and
could
certainly
bring
it
in
from
the
corners
of
the
old
garage
building.
This
facade,
we
don't
know,
we
know
that
the
building
was
there
from
the
70s,
but
you
know
the
the
windows
date
from
the
90s
I
believe
so,
but
I'm
happy
to
adjust
the
massing
of
it,
both
in
plan
and
then,
and
also
the
style.
B
Thank
you
so
far.
It
appears
the
two
board
members
feel
that
way.
I
don't
know
what
the
rest
of
the
board
members
feel.
What
their
feelings
are
any
comments
in
reference
to
the
portal
that
is
being
presented
or
any
other
part
of
the
building.
B
H
You,
madam
chair
Gala
yeah,
if
you
and
your
client
are.
K
K
I
guess
we
are
really
trying
to
do
two
make
two
structures
out
of
one
structure,
and
so
it
is
a
sensitive
thing,
because
we
don't
want
to
take
away
from
the
truly
old
one
and
and
yet
we
don't
want
to
overwhelm
it
either
so
I'm
happy
to
adjust
some
of
the
massing
of
the
the
project.
The
I
felt
like
that.
The
connection
to
the
old
building
where
the
mechanical
room
is
is
appropriately
lower
and
I
did
feel
like
that.
K
The
when
I
added
the
portal-
and
it
might
be
helpful
when
I
come
bring
it
off
of
the
edges
and
plan
off
the
corners
and
plan
to
make
it
a
different
proportioned
portal,
so
that
I
can
come
up
with
a
different
reading
as
it
were.
So
then,
whether
or
not
I
need
to
add
the
height
to
the
building
behind
it
would
be
another
question,
so
I'm
happy
to
take
a
look
at
that
cool.
F
A
A
L
Yeah,
can
you
hear
me,
can
you
hear
me?
Yes,
hello,
okay,
great
I
agree
with
many
of
the
comments
that
have
already
been
made
by
the
board
members
I
appreciate
that
the
architect
is
willing
to
look
at
these
issues
and
try
to.
O
L
A
different
in
keeping
with
it
but
different
I
do.
L
The
building
itself
and
I
think
it's
away
from
the
entry,
so
at
least
it's
not
overwhelming
you
when
you
first
come
into
it,
but
I
do
think
it's
a
significant
change.
Thank
you.
Thank.
B
J
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
Well,
I
would
I'm
going
to
move
to
postpone
this
to
a
date
certain
just
so.
Everyone
knows
but
case
2022-006-059,
hdrb,
513,
Canyon,
Road,
I,
move
that
this
case
be
postponed
to
the
next
available
date
to
be
provided
by
staff
for
redesign
consistent
with
comments
of
the
board
and
representation.
So
the
applicant
specifically
to
make
the
portal
less
Monumental
in
appearance
differentiated
from
the
existing
historic
portal,
smaller
and
pulled
in
further
from
the
corner,
and
that
the
massing
be
adjusted,
be
potentially
adjusted
as
suggested.
B
H
B
C
B
Very
much
Gala
we
move
on
to
new
business.
The
first
case
is
located
at
462
Arroyo
tenonio,
and
this
is
Angela's
case.
She
is
moving
to
the
podium.
Q
Q
I'm
hearing
Echo,
okay:
this
is
a
contributing
house
that
it's
about
1300
square
feet
and
it
was
designated,
it's
been
contributing
and
it's
contributing
status
was
reconfirmed
in
the
the
board
case.
Exactly
a
year
ago,
that
was
handled
by
my
previous
colleague
and
the
owner
has
returned
with
a
proposal
to
replace
a
pair
of
double
hungs
six
over
six
windows
on
the
North
End
of
the
west
elevation
and
before
I
get
any
further
I'm
just
going
to
locate
this
for
you
all.
Q
So
it's
a
it's
a
uniquely.
It
has
a
unique
footprint
which
is
a
result
of
a
creative
traditional
development,
as
needs
changed
and
grew.
It's
its
footprint
is
like
a
jigsaw.
Puzzle
is
kind
of
how
I've
I
can
best
describe
it.
So
these
photographs
are
capturing
the
street
view
at
the
top
left.
So
as
you're
walking
East
towards
Garcia
and
asekia,
you
that's
the
view
you
see
from
the
street.
It's
it's
that
it's
it's
through,
that
opening
in
the
gate
and
or
the
wall.
Q
Okay
and
the
that's
the
front
of
the
house.
That's
the
north
elevation.
The
north
elevation
was
not
designated
primary
on
the
right
upper.
That
is
the
west
elevation
and
is
the
primary
elevation
of
this
contributing
building,
showing
the
the
two
pairs
of
six
over
six
true
divided
light:
wood
windows
that
the
applicant
is
proposing
to
replace
and
below
the
photograph
they're.
Actually
the
front
the
front
of
the
house
has:
has
the
double
trees
in
in
the
front
there
and
I'll.
Just
these
pictures
are
a
little
bit
small.
Q
Just
further
sides
of
the
house,
the
driveway
leading
into
the
house
is
actually
it's
been
a
compound.
It
goes
back
and
there's
other
houses
back
there.
Okay,
so
this
is
the
existing
footprint.
Like
I,
said
it's
1300
square
feet,
I'm,
going
to
read
a
little
bit
of
about
the
the
building
itself,
a
little
history,
which
was
from
the
hiki
of
the
previous
case
when
it
was
when
it
was
the
status,
was
re-viewed.
The
west
elevation
like
I,
said
faces
on
to
a
private
drive.
That's
the
compound
driveway.
Q
Q
Upper
right
photograph
this
this
stated
a
year
ago
that
these
grouped
six
over
six
wood
windows
are
of
an
unknown
age
and
a
budding
to
this
at
a
taller
height
is
the
other
another
rectangular.
Let's
go
it's
hard
to
tell
from
that.
G
Q
These
are
so
funny,
okay,
so
North
North
is
towards
the
left
and
the
front
of
the
house
faces
Arroyo,
which
is
Royal
tenorio,
which
is
on
your.
Q
North
side
of
the
house,
this
is
the
this
is
the
front
Mast
that
bumps
out
front
door
being
here,
North
elevation:
that's
that
window
is
proposed
for
a
replacement.
It's
a
non-historic
window.
Those
are
non-primary.
Facades
go
around
the
corner.
This
is
the
West
facade.
That
has
basically
has
it's
the
west
elevation.
This
whole
part
is
considered
the
west
elevation
and
at
the
meeting
before
the
board
designated
this
portion
number
one
side
number
one
and
the
third
portion
this
this
portion
as
a
as
a
primary
facade,
so
excluding
this
in
here.
Q
O
Q
Q
Okay,
that
that
concludes
my
slides
according
to
the
previous
owner,
the
East
Elevation.
What's
the
East
Elevation
on
the
other
side,
which
looks
onto
a
neighboring
property,
was
altered
with
a
change
of
rough
opening
dimensions
and
a
series
of
non-historic
symbol-like
casements
in
double
hung.
Six
over
six
windows
are
in
that
wall
and
they
date
from
the
80s
or
the
90s
I
think
so.
Non-Historic
the
property
walls
May
predate
1973,
but
but
they
were
not
designated
along
with
the
contributing
status
of
the
main
building.
Q
Like
I
said,
the
board
reaffirmed
its
contributing
status
and
designated
one
in
three
sod's
one
and
three
on
that
west
elevation,
and
so
the
applicants
proposing
to
change
out
those
two
that
the
pairs
of
the
six
over
six
light
windows
and
the
applicant
did
have
a
window
assessment
provided
and
according
to
the
applicant's
window
assessment,
the
origin
and
the
age
of
those
windows
is
unclear
for
the
same
report.
The
wood
sashes
appear
to
be
older,
but
are
fitted
within
more
recent
metal
tracks.
Q
The
applicant
proposes
to
replace
the
existing
windows
cloudwood
in
the
color
and
glazing
pattern
that
will
match
the
Colby
camel
Cloud
color
of
existing
Windows,
which
is
a
tan
brown
color
on
that
East
Elevation,
removing
this
non-historic
window
on
a
non-prair
and
filling
it
in
and
with
respect
to
restucco,
to
a
cementitious
l,
Rays
Adobe
to
match
the
existing
stucco.
Q
Q
Staff
does
not
find
that
all
the
exception
criteria
for
the
replacement
of
the
historic
windows
on
a
primary
facade
have
been
met,
but
the
board
may
find
upon
further
testimony.
Otherwise,
staff
recommends
approval
of
the
application
as
it
complies
with
Section
14-5.2
D,
the
general
design
standards
for
all
age
districts
and
14-5.2
E
for
the
downtown
and
East
Side
historic
district.
B
Q
Q
B
Assessment
is
the
assessment
Angela
indicating
that
the
urine
disrepair,
or
do
you
know
what.
Q
Yes,
yes,
yes,
before
we
go
much
further
I'm
going
to
make
sure
we
see
that-
and
this
is
our
discussion
is
centered
on
this.
It's
definitely
see
if
I
can
get
onto
my.
Q
C
E
R
Yeah
this
project
is
about
replacing
the
windows
and
we've
been
trying
to
get
more
energy
efficient.
The
current
house
doesn't
have
insulated
walls,
it
doesn't
have
an
insulated
floor,
it
doesn't
have
poor
insulation
on
the
roof
and
one
way
that
we
can
achieve
better
insulation
is
Through.
The
Windows
and
the
the
current
windows
are
now
drafty
and
it's
cold
and
it's
cold
in
the
house,
and
so
that
that
was
one
of
the
main
reasons
why
we
we
wanted
to
replace
the
windows.
R
Currently
we
got
approval
of
administrative
approval
to
replace
all
the
other
windows
and
they
have
been
replaced.
The
only
windows
that
are
left
are
these
two
that
we
would
like
to
re,
replace
and
we're
replacing
them
to
match
identical
the
style.
That's
there
and
we're
going
to
match
the
color
of
the
other
window.
So
the
house
will
feel
like
it's
all
one,
one
house
with
the
same
Windows,
the
the
assessment,
the
historical
cultural
property
inventory.
That
was
that
we
did
on
for
Daniel.
R
They
say
that
vernacular
the
house
has
binocular
DNA,
but
it
has
been
fussed
over
rearranged
and
expanded
upon
to
the
the
original
form
is
hard
to
decipher.
So
that's
the
nature
of
this
house.
It's
been
and
it's
it's
and
you
can
see
it
on
the
outside.
You
can
see
it
on
the
inside.
It's
been
played
with
a
lot
and
we
tried
to
find
more
history
on
it
by
trying
to
find
records
of
permitting
and
stuff,
and
that
was
not
available.
R
So
we
we
don't
know
the
the
ears
and
then
on
the
on
the
assessments
by
Ray
Patterson
those
windows.
He
believes
that
there
were
Pharaoh
Windows,
that's
what
he
called
them:
windows
from
the
pharaoh's
hardware
store
because
of
the
the
nature
of
of
the
window
itself.
So
he
doesn't
believe
that
they're
historic,
Windows
they've
been
replaced,
and
that
was
he
didn't
put
that
in
the
assessment.
But
that
was
what
he
was
telling
me
when
we
were
do
looking
at
surveying
the
windows
that,
on
this
facade.
G
R
D
B
So
Mr
Trujillo
your
proposal
on
the
these
window
replacements,
the
light
pattern
and
the
size
is
going
to
be
What
was
existing.
D
R
Hold
on
a
second
Janet
would
like
to
say
something.
S
Janet
day
Forge
462
A,
Royal,
tenorio,
Santa,
Fe,
New,
Mexico,
87505
I'm,
the
owner
I've
been
the
owner
for
about
two
and
a
half
years,
and
it's
a
beautiful
house
and
it's
got
lots
of
charm,
as
I
think
was
highlighted
at
the
hearing
that
we
had
on
July,
27,
19
or
2021.
S
At
that
time
we,
the
designation
of
the
house,
was
unclear
and
we
were
requesting
it
be
non-contributing
because
of
the
amalgamation
of
so
many
different
styles
over
the
years,
and
at
that
time
it
was
decided
by
the
board
primarily
that,
even
though
it
was
kind
of
a
mishmash
of
styles,
they
formed
a
unity
and
I.
S
Guess
you
call
it
the
massing
or
whatever
that
made
it
attractive
and
was
part
of
the
character
of
the
neighborhood
which
I
totally
agree
with
and
then
as
but
I
think
the
board
did
say
in
that
during
that
hearing
that,
even
though,
because
of
this
mishmash
and
it
was
but
it
did
form
a
Unity
that
you
were
open
to
the
possibility
of
making
exceptions
on
the
primary
facade.
S
So
with
that
in
mind,
we
wanted
to
come
back
and
suggest
that
the
windows
be
replaced
in
identical
size,
color
and
basically
materials
and
the
I
have
some
quotes
from
the
assessments
that
were
made
by
Ray
Patterson
of
Sunwest
construction.
D
S
Nothing
had
been
changed.
It
was
basically
rehashing
the
same
assessment
from
the
year
before
for
window
e,
which
is
the
window
in
the
dining
room,
which
is
the
oldest
portion
of
the
three
sections
of
the
house,
that
dates
from
say,
1929
to
33.
So
it's
approximately
100
years
old,
he
said
that
the
in
September
he
said
the.
He
was
not
sure
that
the
window
could
be
salvaged
and
probably
not
of
the
house.
Originally
in
August.
S
He
expanded
that
by
saying
that
the
jam
and
the
sill
were
badly
rotted,
only
sashes
might
be
reused.
Rotted
Jam
allows
water
to
get
into
the
wall,
so
the
whole
window
needs
to
be
removed
to
fix
the
Adobe
wall.
You
would
destroy
the
jam
when
removing
the
window,
so
window
would
have
to
be
remade
for
the
other
window
in
September
window
F,
which
is
in
the
bedroom,
which
is
the
portion
of
the
house
that
was
built
in
the
60s.
S
He
said
that
the
window
has
rotted
so
badly
that
the
window
would
need
to
be
removed
to
repair
the
Adobe
wall
and
would
probably
destroy
the
window
Jam
in
he
did
not
come
in
on
that
window
any
further.
A
year
later,
in
August,
his
overall
assessment
in
September
of
2020
was
my
professional
opinion
that
these
windows,
more
than
likely,
are
not
of
the
original
house.
S
They
should
be
replaced
in
size
of
openings
of
Windows
of
that
era,
then
in
August
19
of
2021
a
year
later,
he
said
my
opinion
of
the
era,
age
of
the
windows
and
the
windows
being
rotted
so
badly
that
they
have
caused
damage
to
the
Adobe.
All
windows
should
be
replaced,
so
those
are
quotes
from
his
reports,
and
so
we
would
like
to
request
that
we
move
ahead
in
replacing
those
windows
identically.
S
H
Just
a
question
for
other
staff
for
the
applicant,
the
only
Windows
under
consideration
tonight,
for
the
exception
are,
are
windows,
E
and
F
right,
the
dining
room
and
sitting
room
correct.
I
H
Correct
and
and
the
other
window
replacement
has
already
occurred,
or
it's
already
there's
just
been
administratively
approved.
Yes,
yes,.
Q
B
Anyone
on
Zoom,
no
one
on
Zoom
I,
will
entertain
a
motion.
Please.
I
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
In
case
number
2022-006108
hdrb
at
462,
Arroyo
tenorio
I
moved
to
approve
the
application,
as
submitted,
noting
that
the
exception
criteria
have
been
met
on
the
basis
that
the
window
assessment
determined
that
these
windows
cannot
be
repaired
or
restored,
and
that
the
applicant
has
stated
that
they
will
replace
the
two
windows
enf
in
kind
with
respect
to
materials.
At
light
pattern,
size
is.
D
R
E
A
Thank
you,
chair
Rios,
these.
This
is
something
that
is
somewhat
familiar
to
you.
Recently
50
Mount
Carmel
property
came
to
the
board
for
in
July
27th
for
preview
of
all
the
existing
buildings
in
their
historic
status.
So
this
particular
building
on
the
campus
was
designated
at
that
time.
A
The
site
is
located
in
the
historic
review
district,
and
this
is
an
illustration
of
the
entire
campus.
You
can
see
that
the
carport
is
located
on
the
southern
portion
of
the
campus
adjacent
to
the
Royal
de
los
tomasos
and
to
the
west
of
Santa
Maria
and
to
the
east
of
San
Miguel.
So
it
is
talked
back
in
the
inside
of
the
campus.
Just
a
quick
review
of
the
evolution
of
the
campus,
it
is,
has
changed
over
time
and
the
carport
itself
represents
a
change
as
well.
A
So
you
know,
starting
with
the
sun
Mount
sanatorium
to
the
most
recent
years,
the
order
of
the
Carmelite
Sisters
there.
They
have
sold
that
portion
of
the
property
to
the
modern,
Elder
Academy,
and
this
is
yet
another
adaptive
reuse
of
the
campus.
A
This
is
an
illustration
or
a
picture
of
the
carport,
as
well
as
the
original
Plants
from
1962
for
the
carport
itself.
The
board
found
on
July
27th
that
there
have
been
changes
to
the
carport
over
time
and
it
did
not
warrant
contributing
status,
and
so
with
that
rationale,
the
board
designated
as
non-contributing.
A
The
recommendation
by
staff
for
this
carport
is
that
the
demolition
is
warranted
or
it
does
meet
the
criteria.
So,
while
the
core
part
is
historic
and
in
use
it's
Construction
in
1962
due
to
changes
that
was
designated
as
not
contributing,
it
has
no
relationship
with
the
other
buildings
and
is
of
no
relative
historic
importance.
The
carport
is
not
an
essential
part
of
the
unique
Street
section
or
streetscape,
and
the
Chief
Building
official
describes
the
structure
as
in
fair
condition
and
Memo
from
the
building
official
is
included
in
your
packet.
A
So
therefore,
staff
recommends
approval
of
the
proposed
demolition.
That
concludes
presentation.
B
Very
much
has
there
any
questions
or
comments
for
Heather
none.
So
if
you
will
swear
in
Lisa
and
it's
nice
to
see
you
Lisa.
C
T
You
Lisa
gavioli
130
Jenkins,
130,
Grant,
Avenue,.
B
T
D
I
T
So
good
evening,
Madam
chair
members
of
the
board,
I'm
here
on
behalf
of
modern
Elder
Academy
with
me
this
evening,
is,
is
Eric
infield
of
architectural
Alliance
and
the
other
members
of
our
team
are
listed
on
the
screen.
There.
T
I
won't
go
in
in
great
detail
just
flip.
Through
these,
we
are
located
in
the
historic
review
District.
As
Heather
mentioned,
the
site
is
about
12.4
acres
and
there's
the
existing
conditions
in
Ariel
just
to
reorient
you,
the
existing
site
plan.
T
T
T
Location
of
the
carport
which
we're
proposing
to
demolish
I
also
wanted
to
show
our
fire
protection
plan,
and
this
is
the
real
the
primary
reason
for
the
for
the
the
proposed
demolition
in
that
we
are
required
to
to
create
this.
This
emergency
access
drive
along
the
east
and
south
side
of
the
property,
which
provides
adequate
fire
access
in
terms
of
Hose
length
to
all
sides
of
the
existing
buildings
and
due
to
the
degree
of
Renovations
that
are
being
proposed,
which
you'll
hear
in
January,
the
the
fire
marshal
is
requiring
increased
emergency
access.
T
So
we
have
to
create
this
Hammerhead
as
you'll,
see
at
the
sort
of
Southeast
corner
of
the
Santa
Maria
building
and
that
Hammerhead
as
the
dimensions
that
are
specified
by
the
international
fire
code,
both
in
terms
of
turning
radius
and
in
length,
and
so
that
the
result
is
that
the
existing
carport
is
is
immediately
in
the
way
of
that
that
that
proposed
turnaround
for
fire
access
along
the
the
Arroyo
side
of
that
proposed
drive
just
for
reference.
It's
a
very
steep
slope.
T
B
C
U
U
Johnson
121
arroya,
Honda
Trail
I
have
a
Hello
board.
Cheerios
members
of
the
hdrb
I
have
more
comments,
but
I
just
wanted
to
briefly,
because
note
that
I
I
recently
toured
the
site
and
the
carp.
The
carport
is
an
eyesore
and,
as
Lisa's
presentation
indicates,
modernizing
the
campus
with
a
roadway
on
the
east
side
of
it
will
do
a
lot
for
circulation.
U
So
removing
the
structure
will
not
detract
from
the
significance
of
the
campus
and
doesn't
harmonize
with
other
buildings
at
the
site.
Thank
you.
Thank.
B
H
Thank
you,
madam
chair
case
2022-006146
hdrb
50,
Mount,
Carmel,
Road
I,
move
that
the
board
approved
the
application
to
demolish
the
carport
structure.
B
And
is
there
a
second
three
seconds
was
that
member
Berkeley,
yes,
Eddie
additions.
I
H
B
You
roll
call
vote,
please
Melissa.
C
H
B
You
very
much
and
next
case
is
at
the
same
location,
50,
Mount,
Carmel,
Road
and
Heather.
Will
you
give
us
that
presentation.
A
A
A
All
right
same
classroom
that
you
see
us
before
and
just
just
reviewing
the
site,
you
can
see
that
I
have
overlaid
on
the
site
plan
or
the
the
campus
plan
be
sent
in
a
way
of
a
building.
One
thing
to
note
is
that
originally
this
location,
there
were
some
tennis
courts
associated
with
the
sun,
Mount
sanatorium,
and
it
has
been
used
in
one
way
or
another,
but
it
is
currently
open
space
at
this
time.
A
There
was
a
building
that
was
contemplated
to
fit
into
this
space.
The
style
of
the
proposed
building
is
Pueblo
Revival
style.
The
permitted
height
is
22
feet.
A
One
inch
as
I
previously
stated,
the
u-shaped
building
will
have
a
courtyard
with
the
guest
rooms
and
classroom
and
lounge,
and
the
applicant
has
taken
care
to
have
a
four-sided
design
so
as
to
not
only
address
the
interior
of
the
campus
with
architectural
detailing
and
presence,
but
I'll
also
address
in
Camino
De,
Cruz
Blanca
and
provide
for
presence
along
the
streetscape
and
just
for
your
reference,
this
North
elevation.
What
can
be
seen
along
the
streetscape
is
primarily
this
area
here.
A
Beyond
is
the
office
and
Fatima
buildings,
Santa
Maria,
and
then
the
chapel
is
also
Beyond.
A
The
for
this
particular
building,
and
so
the
recommendation
advice
staff
is
that
it
complies
with
the
general
design
standards,
section
14-5.2
D
and
it
complies
with
the
design
standards
for
the
historic
review
District,
which
requires
that
stucco
and
would
be
primary
materials
in
the
buildings
that
it's
well
dominated
and
rooftop
equipment,
be
concealed
by
the
parapets
staff,
recommends
approval
of
the
Santana
Nueva.
B
T
You,
madam
chair
members
of
the
board,
Lisa
gavioli
again
with
Jenkins
Gavin
here
we're
here
tonight
on
behalf
of
modern
Elder,
Academy
and
again
joined
with
me
from
the
project
team.
His
Eric
Enfield
from
architectural
Alliance.
T
T
So
again,
the
neighborhood
vicinity
in
aerial
we're
in
the
historic
review
District
as
a
reminder
existing
conditions.
This
is
the
existing
site
plan
once
again,
with
the
building
statuses
that
were
assigned
back
in
July,
red,
being
contributing,
yellow,
significant
and
orange
non-contributing
for
the
city's
official
map
and
the
proposed
site
plan
with
the
proposed
location
of
the
Santa
Nueva
building.
T
Again,
as
Heather
mentioned
there
was,
there
was
a
a
future
building
identified
on
the
1961
master
plan,
which
can
be
attributed
to
the
firm
of
McHugh
and
Kidder
I
believe
not
directly
attributable
to
to
John
gome,
but
I'm
sure
he
did
advise
on
the
site
plan
and,
as
you
can
see,
on
the
site
on
the
site
plan
there,
the
the
tennis
court
is
visible
as
well,
but
in
this
General
vicinity,
the
the
original
design
team
had
envisioned
a
future
dormitory
building
here
is
an
existing
street
view
from
Community
Cruise
Blanca.
T
Well,
not
probably
presently
existing.
It's
very
green,
but
here
we
see
the
floor
plan
as
you've,
seen
in
your
packets,
with
the
new
classroom
building
and
the
14
guest
rooms,
as
well
as
some
some
communal
Gathering
space
at
the
southeast
corner
there
and
in
a
central
Courtyard
and
the
elevations.
This
is
the
North
Street
facing
elevation.
T
The
top
is
zoomed
out,
so
you
can
see
the
full
context
in
the
bottom
version
is
zoomed
in
just
to
the
portion
that
shows
the
new
building
and
then
the
West
and
South,
and
we
can
certainly
come
back
to
these.
If
you
have
questions
about
individual
elevations,
some
renderings
that
we
had
done
by
a
local
artist,
Lisa
Flynn
is
of
the
new
building
they
sinks
on
Mountain
from
Community,
Cruz,
Blanca
and
then
a
bird's
eye
view
sort
of
Facing
East
overhead.
T
You
can
see
the
new
building
situated
into
context
and
we
really
see
this
building
as
as
completing
the
campus.
It
was
always
envisioned
to.
There
was
always
a
vision
to
be
a
building
here,
and
we
really
do
feel
that
this
this
building
will
go
a
long
way
in
terms
of
completing
the
relationship
of
the
buildings
to
one
another
in
creating
a
pedestrian,
a
more
pedestrian
campus.
B
T
B
Your
presentation
and
for
all
the
different
views
of
the
building
members
of
the
board,
do
you
have
questions
or
comments.
H
You,
madam
chair,
so
I,
you
know
overall
I
think
the
the
application
is
commendable
for
providing
a
new
building.
That's
sympathetic
with
the
existing
campus
I
think
both
sympathetic
in
terms
of
kind
of
overall
style
of
the
buildings,
the
courtyard
organization
which
we
see
Elsewhere
on
the
campus,
probably
the
detailing
as
well.
H
So
you
know
in
terms
of
how
it
fits
into
the
campus
plan
overall
I'm
I'm
very
happy
with
how
it
fits
into
you
know
an
idea
about
this
place
as
a
campus.
Also
very
strong,
I
I,
think
you
know
where
I,
where
I
kind
of
hesitate
a
little
bit
and
and
it's
in
light
of
the
conversation
that
we
had
tonight.
H
We
had
two
very
different
cases
presented
to
us
a
kind
of
Daring
case
where
we
saw,
or
we
discussed
a
way
of
differentiating
new
from
old
as
a
way
of
responding
to
Historic
context,
another
one
where
we
saw
gala's
application
and-
and
we
looked
at
something
that
that
was
another
valid
approach,
attempting
to
kind
of
blend
in
and
and
merge
and
be
sympathetic
with
historic
context
and
and
this
board
provided
notes
to
take
a
step
further.
H
To
maybe
not
duplicate
so
much
as
as
as
kind
of
continue
on
in
that
vein
and
improvise
as
we
go
I
think
my
concern
is
that
this
appears
and
you
know,
I
understand
it's
a
one-story
program.
There
is
some
slight
differentiated
group
differentiation
and
height,
but
I'm
I'm.
A
little
feeling
like
this
is
a
lost
opportunity,
but
there
may
be,
and
it
may
be,
a
small
thing.
I
mean
this
building
seems
like
such
a
background
building.
H
It
doesn't
really
break
the
the
kind
of
parapet
profile
line
very
much
I'm
wondering
if
there
isn't
an
opportunity
again
still
kind
of
understanding.
It's
hierarchy
relative
to
the
other
existing
buildings
of
San
Juan,
building
the
school
building,
which
has
more
prominence
that
there
might
be
an
opportunity
to
add
a
design
feature
that
that
gives
it
a
little
bit
more
oomph,
rather
than
just
be
a
kind
of
low
background
building,
it's
otherwise
a
perfectly
lovely
building,
but
I
I.
You
know
we
have.
H
We
have
new,
it's
a
new
building
in
the
in
the
historic
district.
I'd
prefer
for
it
not
to
just
be
a
compliance
building,
I'd
like
it
to
to
be
something
that
that
contributes
to
that
campus.
V
You
know
in
a
way
they
do
want
to
downplay
the
north
elevation
and
they
want
to
play
Up
The
Pedestrian
walkway
that
they've
created
inside
the
building
and
you'll
see
classic
elements
like
Courtyards.
We
couldn't
not
put
a
courtyard
in
that
building.
Every
one
of
those
buildings
has
a
courtyard.
They
also
have
lounges
and
public
spaces
that
are
open
to
everyone
on
the
campus,
so
the
use
is
going
to
be
very
similar
to
the
Seminary
use.
V
As
far
as
each
building
is
a
self-contained
unit,
it
has
rooms,
it
has
lounges,
it
has
places
to
gather
this
happens
to
be
the
main
classroom
and
what
we
really
wanted
to
do
was
give
the
people
the
same
experience
they're
having
in
the
other
buildings,
without
making
a
huge
design
statement
on
the
North
side.
I
think
the
detailing
on
the
South
Side
facing
the
courtyard
and
the
amount
of
landscaping
that
we
propose.
Keep
this
building
not
saying
look
at
me,
but
more
saying
this
is
a
new
building.
V
It's
small!
It's
not
much
higher
than
a
Pinon
tree,
and
what
we
wanted
to
do
was
keep
the
historic
Integrity
of
the
drive
down
Camino
Cruz
Blanco,
which
so
many
people
are
used
to
having
that
be
open
space
and
we've
left
that
open
space
we
also
chose
not
to
go
higher
because
we
felt
like
the
building
should
just
hug
that
ground
where
it
was
meant
to
be
and
I
think
the
building
that
was
put
in
there
in
62
by
McHugh.
The
footprint
was
a
single
story
building.
V
So
we're
discovering
all
the
spaces
in
those
buildings
we're
coming
back
to
you
with
a
much
bigger
proposal
when
we
look
at
remodeling
each
of
the
buildings,
but
I
think
what
you'll
see
is
we're
trying
to
create
a
building
that
can
collaborate
with
a
very
historic
set
of
buildings
and
also
not
complicate
what
it
looks
like
or
where
it
came
from.
It
was
a
building
style
that
was
used
much
earlier
and
we're
taking
the
best
parts
of
that
building
style
and
using
it
for
this
building.
V
V
Some
have
high
transoms
on
them
to
reflect
a
height,
that's
different
on
the
two
ends
that
project
out
north
towards
the
street
I
like
that
we're
using
classic
details
and
I'm
glad
this
is
going
to
be
a
building
that
complements
the
other
buildings,
but
anyone
that
walks
on
this
campus
when
they
look
at
this
building,
will
say
that's
a
new
building.
There's
the
classroom.
It's
got
a
monitor
in
it.
It's
pretty
modern,
you
know
and
they're
going
to
see
that
too,
from
the
feel
of
it.
V
I
think
I
think
that
the
building
is
serving
the
exact
purpose
that
we
need
for
it
and
I
think
that
it's
it's
closed
well
for
the
neighborhood
and
we've
worked
with
St
John's
Santa
Fe
Prep,
every
neighbor,
the
memes,
the
worths,
to
ensure
that
they're
comfortable
with
both
placement
and
Design
and
including
Carol
and
Peter,
who
actually
live
across
the
street
one
of
the
city
councilors
in
one
of
our
state
senators,
and
they
have
looked
at
this
design
and
worked
with
us
on
it
and
are
very
happy
with
it
and
think
it
complements
both
John
Gomez
work
and
John
McHugh's
work,
but
will
not
be
confused
with
him
and
that's
how
I'd
respond
to
you.
V
H
Sure
I
I
get
all
that
and
I
and
I
agree
wholehearted
100
with
all
of
that
and
I
think
and
I
think
the
the
rendering
show
an
a
posture
towards
the
neighborhood,
the
design.
You
know
the
kind
of
dance
that
that
you're
doing
as
part
of
this
project
to
to
you
know
not
do
a
big
building.
It's
not
needed
be
sensitive
to
the
neighborhood.
All
of
that
stuff.
H
It's
really
the
you
know
that
it
seems
to
me
there's
a
missing
element
in
the
courtyard
of
you
know
what
we
see
in
the
other
buildings,
a
kind
of
tower-ish
element
at
the
San
Juan
building
that
kind
of
announces
the
entry.
You
know,
there's
there's
a
a
kind
of
sculptural
fireplace
just
something
that
breaks
up
that
kind
of
almost
consistent
height
that
we
get.
When
we're
looking
at
this
building
from
the
south,
it
could
be
the
yard
wall
it
could
be.
It
could
be
a
number
of
things.
H
It's
a
it's
a
small
suggestion,
but
I
think
it's
it's
a
meaningful
one.
In
the
context
of
this
campus.
V
The
idea
is
to
provide
the
shade
in
the
courtyards
like
the
present
Courtyards.
There's
one
Courtyard
right
off
the
office
between
Fatima
in
the
office.
Did
you
guys
see
that
beautiful
Courtyard
it's
smaller
than
this
one?
But
it's
we're
looking
at
having
some
nice
shade
in
there
a
place
that
can
be
restive
quiet,
we
have
an
obligation
to
be
quiet
because
of
who
our
neighbors
are
and
respecting
them,
and
that's
what
the
modern
Elder
Academy
plans
to
do,
and
you
know
they're
not
out
this
isn't
an
advertisement
for
the
Academy
this
building.
V
What
it
is,
whether
it's
sculpture,
probably
water
or
something
like
that
I
do
see
that
happening
in
the
courtyard
I
also
wanted
just
everyone
to
understand
too
that
there's
a
huge
area,
the
outdoor
portal,
that's
kind
of
turned
into
a
room
at
the
end
across
from
the
lounge
and
that's
an
open
outdoor,
fireplace
and
an
outdoor
living
room
and
space
for
people
to
gather
and
I.
Think
that
achieves
what
you
were
talking
about
about
providing
different
different
spaces
and
feelings
to
it.
V
Once
you
just
go
to
the
floor
plan
yeah.
Thank
you
Lisa.
You
can
see
that
we
have
that
whole
Outdoor
Room.
We
are
making
it
so
you
can
close
it
so
it
can
be
used
in
the
winter,
but
those
would
be
glass
panels.
John
Domin
used
to
do
that
too,
but
they
were
removable
from
portals.
V
These
aren't
removable
they
pocket
into
the
wall.
They
didn't
do
that
in
1932,
and
it's
going
to
be
distinguished
from
the
other
buildings.
I
understand
your
concerns,
Anthony.
Maybe
it
would
have
been.
There
could
be
more
statement
that
could
be
made
I.
Think
on
the
courtyard
side,
though,
that's
going
to
be
all
about
the
function
of
the
academy,
because
that's
going
to
be
a
central
part
of
the
new
Academy,
because
that's
the
main
classroom
for
the
whole
Academy.
H
V
Of
the
it
actually
shows
in
the
meeting
room,
you
can
see
the
dotted
line
on
your
floor
plan
that
in
the
center
of
the
room,
that's
the
monitor.
Now
it's
square,
of
course,
but
we've
rounded
the
insides
to
soften
the
interior
of
the
monitor
on
the
inside
of
the
building.
H
B
Well,
thank
you
for
your
lengthy
explanation.
Appreciated
a
member
of
the
menu.
O
J
I
think
that's
extremely
important
here,
because
we've
got
two
issues:
I
think
one
is
harmony
with
the
campus,
so
that's
primarily
the
the
view
from
the
South
and
then
you
have
harmony
with
the
streetscape
on
Camino
Cruz
Blanco,
which
is
equally
important,
but
a
whole
different
set
of
considerations
and
I
think
you've
done
a
nice
job
of
addressing
both
of
those
and
I,
particularly
like
the
the
low
slung
nature
of
it.
J
The
modesty,
despite
the
fact
that
you're
getting
quite
a
bit
of
interior
space
and
the
sensitivity
that
you've
yielded,
you've,
employed
and
situating
it
as
well
as
designing
it.
So
just
for
clarification,
I
think
one
of
the
things
that
does
seem
important
and
I
think
you've
addressed
it.
But
I'd
like
to
know
is
the
massing
of
this
building
needs
to
look
similar
to
the
massing
of
the
campus
buildings.
So
it
needs
to
look
like
very
thick
walls.
J
V
Can
address
this,
we
used
to
basically
attendance
Adobe
as
our
model
for
our
walls,
so
our
walls
will
be
10
inches.
We
haven't
exactly
picked
the
material
we're
going
through
budget
stuff
right
now,
but
the
walls
will
be
10
inches
thick
and
if
you
look
at
the
plan
closely,
you
can
see
the
windows
are
offset
to
the
interior,
so
we'll
probably
have
at
least
four
or
five
inches
of
recess
all
the
way
around
and
then
much
more
in
set
at
the
end
windows.
V
As
far
as
the
batter,
what
we've
actually
used
is
pretty
much
the
parapet.
Profiles
that
we've
seen
on
the
site
for
our
parapet
profiles.
We
haven't
put
a
number
to
it
or
a
radius
on
the
stucco
yet
but
you'll
note
that
we're
proposing
to
use
the
Minnesota
stucco
and
we
propose
to
have
rounded
corners.
V
How
do
you
see
there's
just
a
slight
slope
around
on
them
and
they
didn't
do
much
parapets
on
those
buildings?
I
don't
know
if
you
noticed
how
little
parapets
there
really
are
and
there's
not
a
whole
lot
of
variation,
except
when
they
do
bell
towers.
Things
like
that
right,
decorate,
decorations
over
in
trees.
The
funnest
part
is
going
to
be
what
we
show
you
next,
though,
when
we,
when
we
do
these
buildings
and
and
and
make
everything
now
be
consistent
and
I'm
really
excited
about
that
part
of
it
also
yeah.
I
Thank
you,
yeah.
Thank
you
for
the
comments
from
other
board
members.
I
appreciate
the
comment
about
the
courtyard
and
I:
don't
have
any
specific
suggestions,
but
it
does
occur
to
me
that
that
may
be
the
only
Courtyard
in
this
complex
that
faces
Sun
Mountain,
which
is
important
to
the
orientation
of
this
entire
complex
and
I
I.
Think
I'm.
Reading
this
right.
It
looks
like
these
I
believe
these
are
doors
to
the
individual
rooms
and
there
may
not
be
even
any
windows
on
that.
I
saw
that
allow
you
to
see
Sun
Mountain.
I
Instead,
the
windows
appear
to
be
on
the
back
like
facing
the
road.
So
I
appreciate,
remember,
Guida's,
comment
about
you
know
the
statement
the
courtyard
might
make
and
I
just
wanted
to
offer
that
as
a
comment.
L
B
Thank
you
board
members
and
thank
you.
Applicants
for
your
comments
is
anyone
from
the
public
wishing
to
speak
on
this
Mr
Johnson
is
coming
forward
and
he's
already
been
sworn
in.
U
Thank
you,
charios
members
of
the
board,
the
Old
Santa
Fe
Association
would
like
to
commend
modern,
Elder,
Academy
and
Jenkins
Gavin
on
their
sensitive
planning
for
restoration
of
the
former
Sun
Mountain
senatorium
in
Immaculate,
Heart
of
Murray
property
and
I
agree
with
Mr
Enfield
that
there's
more
to
come.
That's
very
exciting.
U
I
toured
the
property
last
week
with
Skyler
skikos,
modern
Elder,
Academy's,
Chief
development
officer,
and
you
have
a
lot
to
look
forward
to
I
I've
studied
the
designs
for
the
proposed
new
building
and
osfa
is
pleased
with
the
design
as
it
is
low-lying
and
unobtrusive.
The
majority
of
the
historic
buildings
appear
to
be
visible
from
Camino
Cruz
Blanco
as
a
prep
graduate,
that's
important
to
me,
and
the
new
structure
is
not
imposing,
but
rather
appropriately
set
back
and
aligned
with
the
Styles
articulated
in
the
campus.
U
Indeed,
the
location
of
the
new
building
was
already
a
future
building
indicated
in
the
1961
imh
Seminary
master
plan,
and
this
even
fits
with
the
historical
plan.
Now
come
to
realization.
The
Old
Santa
Fe
Association
looks
forward
to
seeing
the
good
work
of
modern
Elder
Academy.
We
applaud
such
historical
sensitivity
and
Community
consideration
in
design.
Thank
you.
B
L
I
didn't
get
I
didn't
know
that
I
got
elevated
to
chair,
but
Stephanie
Ben
and
not
opio
box.
One
six
zero
on
Santa,
Fe,
New,
Mexico
I
think
the
application
is
is
great,
just
as
it
is
I
appreciate
that
I
I
understand
there
was
this
intended
building
so
they're
going
forward
with
that
they
are
keeping
it
low.
So
it's
not
so
visible
from
Camino
Cruz
Blanca,
which
I
think
everybody
who
goes
up
that
street
and
and
is
has
been
used
to
that
open
space
will
definitely
appreciate.
O
Q
L
Don't
think
it
is
I,
think
it's
sensitively
designed
and
so
that
certain
parts
look
at
the
Sangre
de
Cristos,
for
example,
and
certain
parts
are.
D
L
Sun
Mountain,
so
it's
taking
advantage
of
natural
location,
it
is
in
keeping
with
the
courtyards
of
the
other
buildings.
It
serves
a
purpose
for
The
Elder
Academy
I
just
want
to
make
sure,
however,
because
there
were
some
statements
about
Saint
John's
and
about
how
no
schools,
educational,
assuming
educational
facilities
should
be
considered
historic,
and
yet
here
on
this
campus,
we
have
several
so
I
just
want.
O
L
B
Thank
you.
Anyone
else
on
Zoom,
no
one
else,
I
just
wanted
to
say
that
the
I
feel
that
this
building
is
it's
not
a
tiny
building.
It's
over
9
000
square
feet,
but
in
a
way
it's
low
profile-ish
and
it's
one
story
and
I
do
believe
that
it's
in
harmony
with
a
streetscape
and
the
campus
and
the
fact
that
member
benvenue
brought
out
the
recess
of
the
windows
that
he
wanted
to
find
that
out,
and
it
appears
that
it's
going
to
be
rounded
corners
and
the
windows
are
going
to
be
recessed.
B
J
Thank
you.
Madam
chair
I'll
make
the
motion
case.
Number
2022006-115,
hdrb,
50,
Mount,
Carmel
I,
move
that
the
board
approved
the
application,
as
submitted
with
the
understanding
and
condition
that
the
corners
be
rounded
and
the
windows
have
deep
reveals
consistent
with
the
representations
of
the
applicant
at
the
hearing.
C
B
To
where
roll
call
vote,
please.
D
B
F
A
A
The
site
is
located
to
the
east
of
Thomas
mancioni
Park,
which
is
at
the
intersection
of
East
Marcy
Street,
slash,
Hillside
and
Passante
Peralta.
It
is
located
on
the
south
side
of
the
street
immediately
across
the
street.
Is
there
there
is
additional
residential
development
similar
to
this
and
the
the
hill
that's
reflected.
There
is
the
Old
Fort
Marcy
Hillside,
as
well
as
residential
development
to
the
south,
east
and
west.
A
The
Higby
evaluation
found
the
following.
First
of
all,
there
was
a
historic
building
inventory
from
1984
which
needed
to
be
updated
and
reflecting
a
more
detailed
approach
to
the
history
of
the
structure.
The
home
was
first
occupied
by
fidela
May,
Powers,
Whitwell
and
Mr.
Whitwell
was
actually
an
engineer
for
the
state
highway
department
and
Appraiser
for
the
state
highway
department
and
was
I'm.
Sorry
fidela,
May,
Powers,
whitwell's
daughter,
who
lived
in
the
house
with
her,
was
one
of
the
assistant
Librarians
with
the
Santa
Fe
Public
Library.
A
The
site
is
built
on
land
previously
owned
by
the
Martinez
family,
and
then
Oscar
Fagan,
who
lived
on
a
house
for
over
20
years,
was
an
appraiser
for
the
state
highway
department
and
previously
served
in
the
army.
A
The
kitchen
Edition
on
the
East
Elevation,
which
is
Illustrated
on
the
picture
there
that
doesn't
have
the
same
hipped
roof,
but
is
a
flat
roof,
was
constructed
or
visible
first
in
the
1958
aerial.
So
it
has
architectural
significance
in
its
own
right
as
it
is
historic
by
1968,
the
studio
was
constructed,
which
was
originally
in
a
garage
in
your
packet.
You
will
see
Aerials
where
that
is
first
noted,
the
defining
characteristics
of
the
building
are
the
three
over
one
Windows,
those
distinctive
side
lights
on
the
front
elevation.
A
That
would
be
the
north
elevation,
which
are
two
over
one
side
lights
and
as
well
as
the
simplistic
character
of
the
front
porch.
The
stone
fireplace-
and
this
is
a
building-
that's
built
on
top
of
a
stone
base,
which
you
don't
find
everywhere
in
Santa
Fe,
and
so
those
that
you
can
see
on
this
picture
are
those
the
two
over
one
side
lights
on
either
side
of
the
three
over
one
windows.
So
it
adds
a
distinctive
character.
A
That's
not
found
much
in
Santa
Fe,
so
staff
recommends
on
the
North
elevation,
which
is
elevation
number
one
shown
on
the
graphic
to
the
right
and
that
North
continent
continuance
of
the
north
elevation
sort
of
Peaks.
Behind
on
this,
this
picture
of
that
1968
Edition,
where
thereabouts
I'm
sorry
1958
edition
of
the
the
the
kitchen.
That
piece
also
needs
to
be
included
in
that
primary
facade,
as
well
as
that
East
Elevation,
which
has
the
distinctive
stone
fireplace
and
as
well
as
window
pattern
that
is
characteristic
of
building
itself.
A
So,
with
reference
to
status,
the
recommendation
by
staff
is
per
section
14-5.2
c
the
residence
qualifies
for
contributing
status
because
it
is
a
physical
record
of
of
time
and
place
and
use
the
changes
that
have
happened
to
the
house
of
acquired
historic
significance.
There
have
been
changes
to
the
South
elevation.
That's
why
it's
not
designated
as
primary.
This
is
the
south
side
of
that
kitchen
Edition,
and
you
can
see
there
is
one
picture
window
change
already.
A
Right
now,
it's
it's
a
studio
that
is
on
the
property.
So
if
you
could
see
this
in
this
floor
plan,
it's
detached
from
the
main
building.
That
was
what
was
constructed
by
1968..
It
has
been
modified
over
time
so
right
now,
its
purpose
is
a
studio.
It's
not
a
garage
anymore,
although
you
can
see
garage
doors
in
that
sort
of
front
detached
walls.
One
of
them
is
hanging
and
there's
another
one
off
to
the
side.
B
Okay,
thank
you.
Member.
H
A
Cheerios
Vice
chair
Guida,
with
reference
to
number
three.
It
shows
the
evolution
of
the
house,
albeit
that
it
is
a
simple
you
know
facade.
It
does
have
an
entryway
and
speaks
to
the
the
evolution
of
the
house
over
time.
A
On
the
south
side
of
that
particular
structure,
there
have
been
changes
that
have
been
made.
The
original
door
and
entrance
stairs
are
there,
but
there's
the
picture
window
and
then
I
don't
have
a
picture
of
the
East
Elevation,
but
it
is
a
very
simplistic
in
character
and
really
doesn't
have
a
relationship
with
the
rest
of
the
building.
So
that
was
my
train
of
thought
and.
H
On
the
Edition
on
the
58
Edition
yeah,
on
the
on
the
north
side
of
the
58th
Edition,
the
the
contributing
I'm
sorry,
the
significance,
the
primary
facade
of
the
1958
Edition
has
a
small
square
window
and
a
entry
door.
It's.
B
C
W
Martinez
P.O
box,
925
Santa,
Fe,
New
Mexico.
W
Not
no
not
exactly.
We
do
agree
that
the
north
validation
and
East
elevation
of
the
main
house
should
be
primary
facade.
This
is
a
beautiful
little
house,
and
but
the
kitchen
Edition
on
that
facade
that
is
is
design
is
proposed
as
signif
as
a
contributing
the
historic
report.
The
hippie
report
that
we
commissioned
shows
that
there
was
a
a
canopy,
a
part
portal
on
that
very
facade.
W
That
was
there
through
1973
and
perhaps
longer
the
the
historian
John
Murphy
says
in
his
recommendations.
The
recommendation
is
to
maintain
the
contributing
status
for
the
house,
with
the
north
elevation
recommended
as
a
primary
facade
as
it
represents
the
best
preserved
and
most
architecturally
significant
aspect
of
the
building.
Communicating
its
original
design
and
period
of
Association
recommend
non-contrtributing
status
for
the
studio
reflecting
its
late
construction,
its
modest
architecture
and
alteration.
W
Also
I
just
wanted
to
mention
that
the
that
addition
that
is
proposed
as
to
also
have
a
primary
facade
is
a
very
small
kitchen,
and
we
intend
to
to
propose
to
add
on
to
that
kitchen
and
and
the
the
primary
facade
designation
would
make
that
more
difficult.
W
I.
Don't
we're
not
planning
that
we
would
have
anything
major
that
would
show
in
to
at
the
front
of
the
house,
because
we
don't
want
anything
to
change
at
the
front
of
the
house,
but
but
I
don't
think
because
it
has
been
modified
over
the
years
and
was
not
a
part
of
the
original
building.
Even
though
it's
it's
has
a
historic
presence.
I,
don't
think
it's
a
primary
facade.
W
Also,
the
the
staff
report
States
that
the
residents
retains
much
of
its
historic
Integrity
as
the
original
building
the
kitchen
Edition
on
the
East
Elevation
exemplifies
how
buildings
change
over
time,
and
yet
this
proposed
status
would
tend
to
freeze
that
facade
over
time,
and
it
was
it's
an
expression
of
how
how
the
building
has
changed.
That's
all
I
have
thank.
B
B
W
B
Thank
you
for
the
clarification
member
benvenue.
J
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
What
so,
on
the
site
visit
today,
I
think
one
of
the
things
that
was
very
striking
were
the
windows
yes
and
including
the
windows
on
the
west
side
and
I
think
to
protect
those
windows
and
I.
Think
I'm,
assuming
you
want
to
protect
them
as
well.
I
think
that
needs
to
be
a
primary
facade.
J
It's
also
called
out,
as
the
you
know,
the
most
one
of
the
most
in
addition
to
the
north
facade
by
the
hippie
report
as
being
the
most
well-preserved
part
of
the
original
building,
so
I
would
propose
that
those
that
that
facade
be
a
designated
primary,
even
though
that
makes
three
facades
but
I,
don't
think
it
would
probably
affect
the
owner
in
anything
they
would
plan
to
do,
because
that's
there's
such
a
small
opportunity
to
do
anything
on
that
facade
anyway,
am
I
correct.
In
that
assumption,.
W
That
that's
right
at
the
unfortunately
on
this
on
this
property,
most
of
the
land
lies
in
front
of
the
building
and
and
so
that
that
sort
of
those
three
facades
being
primary
facades
just
precludes
the
possibility
of
an
adding
that
doesn't
preclude
the
possibility.
But
it
makes
it
very
very
difficult
to
add
on
that
side
of
the
building
and
just
puts
more
pressure
on
the
rear
of
the
building
to
to
to
take
in
whatever
is
needed
to
make
this
house
livable.
J
Targeting
nature
of
this
particular
building,
so
that's
right,
but
again
I
would
want
to
designate
that
as
a
primary
facade
for
the
purpose
of
protecting
those
windows,
because
the
way
I
read
the
ordinance
and
we've
had
this
problem
come
up
in
the
past
very
difficult
to
protect
historic
windows
on
a
contributing
structure
that
are
not
on
a
primary
facade.
J
E
H
Just
a
small
Counterpoint,
because
I
I
I,
don't
necessarily
always
want
to
be
overzealous
about
designating
primary
facades.
We
have
in
the
past
and
Heather
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
you
know
noted
what
our
contributing
elements
to
the
status
of
the
building
elements
that
don't
necessarily
exist
on
a
primary
facade
but
are
contributing
to
the
overall
status
and
so
I'm
wondering
you
know,
does
a
line
of
logic
that
says:
okay!
Well,
you
know.
H
Yes,
the
front
facade
of
this
house
is
very
representative
by
capturing
the
East
Elevation
I've
cap,
I've
I've,
taken
it
into
three
dimensions
and
captured
the
chimney.
Mass
more
windows,
the
overall
volume
of
the
house
to
me
does
you
know,
do
we
just
say:
hey
look
over
on
the
West
Side.
H
Those
windows,
too,
are
important,
they're
noted
as
original
and
is
contributing
to
the
overall
status
of
the
of
the
house,
just
because
we
will
have
instances
in
the
future
where
the
land
to
the
West
is
the
most
developable
and
and
the
board
can
very
clearly
State
an
emotion
or
add
in
the
details
without
taking
the
whole
facade
with
it.
Just
a
consideration.
Well,.
J
I
appreciate
that
and
have
the
exact
same
question
as
to
whether
or
not
that's
another
solution
to
designate
a
particular
feature
of
a
non-primary
facade
as
contributing
I
think
they
have.
The
ordinance
is
unclear
in
that
regard.
So
I
think
the
safe
approach
is
primary,
but
it
does
create
the
additional
complications
that
you've
just
outlined.
A
Serious
board
member
new
with
reference
to
the
primary
facade
and
the
importance
of
preserving
especially
the
historic
windows
on
that
facade.
One
of
the
things
I
would
like
to
note
is
that
there
is
going
to
have
to
be
parking
on
this
site
at
least
two
parking
spaces,
and
so
by
the
Limited
nature
of
spikes
in
that
area,
the
there's
going
to
be
a
limitation
on
what
can
be
added
on
that
side.
A
With
reference
to
noting
the
windows,
those
historic
Windows
as
being
a
character
defining
feature
of
that
contributing
status,
we
can
certainly
amend
the
hiki
that
has
proposed
that
you
have
been
provided
to
include
that
information
and
the
language
that
was
used
by
the
H
board
and
approving
that
or
well.
If
you
choose
to
privately.
H
One
more
comment,
if
I
may
and-
and
what
occurs
to
me
John-
is
that
in
this
discussion,
that
the
designation
of
primary
facades
has
been
more
a
matter
of
practice
than
of
hard
rules
and
the
the
culture
of
the
board
and
I
know
we're
still
evolving
how
how
where
it
was
done
a
certain
way
in
the
past.
You
know
that
it
would
only
be
one
and
you
know,
and
and
in
many
cases
to
preserve
important
features
and
massings
of
buildings.
H
We
have
we've
endeavored
to
include
more
so
I'm,
just
encouraging
thoughtfulness
on
on
the
boards
approach.
E
F
A
Board
member
again
I
I
think
that,
because
it's
not
a
primary
facade,
that
an
exception
would
not
be
required,
but
I'm
sure
that
there
would
need
to
be
evidence
shown
that
the
windows
were
degraded
and
not
operational.
Or
you
know
some
sort
of
report
provided
in
order
to
address
the
concern
that
the
board
wants
to
see
those
windows
preserved.
I.
X
You
know
member
aguara
Medrano,
this
is
Frank,
rubella
I,
don't
know
if
the
record
is
reflected
that
I've
been
participating
in
this
not
in
person
but
by.
B
X
It
seems
kind
of
a
conundrum
to
say
that
there
are
features
that
Define
the
character
of
the
buildings
architecture,
but
that
it's
not
a
primary
facade
I
mean
if
those
features
such
as
those
windows
or
those
doors
or
other
architectural
elements,
Define
the
characters
that
character
of
the
buildings
architecture,
then,
by
definition
it
is
a
primary
facade.
X
I
have
seen
designations
of
primary
facades
where
there's
a
specification
that
a
certain
door
window
or
other
architectural
feature
is
not
historic
or
does
not
contribute
I,
don't
think.
That's
a
conundrum,
but
I
I,
don't
see
that
we're
protecting
windows
or
any
other
architectural
features
by
saying
those
are
important
or
those
are
contributing,
but
that's
not
a
primary
facade,
I
think
that
creates
kind
of
a
logical
inconsistency
that
makes
it
hard
to
enforce
later.
F
E
So
just.
H
H
But
staff
noticed
that
you
know
the
changes
that
were
being
made
that
were
probably
allowable
and
even
allowable,
perhaps
on
administrative
approval.
It
was
elevated
to
the
board
because
the
the
feeling
was
that
so
many
of
these
windows
and
details
would
be
changed,
that
it
would
threaten
the
overall
status.
And
so
you
know,
I
I,
appreciate
staff's
response.
In
that
case,
I
appreciate
the
decisions
that
this
board
made
in
that
case
I
think
they
were
logical,
but
it's
I,
don't
think
it's
as
cut
as
dry.
I
That's
but
I
I
think
we've
seen
in
several
cases,
including
one
tonight
where
we
have
very
little
ability
to
protect
Windows
on
non-privary
facades
like
we
are
not
able
to
require
them
to
be
replaced
and
kind
with
wood,
which
is
the
common.
You
know
complaint
in
terms
of
expense
by
our
applicants,
so
yeah
just
to
add
that
I.
B
Agree
with
attorney
Ruby,
Lee's
interpretation
and
remember
Beach
I,
just
stated
that
is
correct,
will
run
into
a
problem
because
you
cannot
protect
if
you.
B
If
this
bird
wants
to
protect
something,
then
it's
more
difficult
to
protect
it,
even
if
you
call
it
out
as
a
teacher
that
is
prominent
and
historic
to
and
defines
a
particular
element
on
a
facade
that
it's
difficult
to
protect
that
if
you
don't
make
the
facade
primary
and,
as
we
all
know,
most
cases
that
come
before
us
are
many
cases
that
come
before
us
come
to
us
with
exceptions,
so
the
the
owners
always
have
the
option
to
do
exceptions,
even
if
it's
primary
yes,
yes,
you
can
do
it.
D
B
Know
that's
true,
so
if
there
are
no
further
comments,
did
I
ask
for
public
comment
already
on
this?
No
anyone
wishing
to
comment
from
the
public
on
this
particular
case
anybody
on
Zoom,
no
one
on
Zoom.
L
L
It
is
a
beautiful
house.
It
deserves
to
be
preserved,
I,
don't
think
you're
taking
away
Opportunity
by
the
owner
to
make
it
more
usable
for
their
needs,
because
there
is
a
lot
of
opportunity
on
the
back
and
it
particularly
seems
like
the
kitchen
might
be
the
object
of
the
need
for
the
expansion,
and
there
really
is
very
little
opportunity
to
expand
on
the
west
side
because
you
do
need
access
to
the
studio
and
you
do
need
parking
and
that
really
isn't
going
to
go
away
or
change
anytime
soon.
L
B
B
J
I'll
go
ahead.
Thank
you
in
case
2020
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346,
Hillside,
Avenue
I,
moved
to
the
board
maintained
the
status
of
the
main
House's
contributing
designate
the
garage
as
non-contributing
and
designate
the
north
and
west
elevations
as
primary
and
the
East
Elevation
other
than
the
kitchen
Edition.
C
B
Much
and
good
luck
with
your
further
projects,
maybe
anything
under
discussion
items
there
are
none.
There
are
none
matters
from
the
board.
Anybody
I
just
want
to
say
something
real,
quick
to
this
great
board.
I
want
to
applaud
you
and
compliment
you,
because
you
really
thoroughly
study
every
case
that
comes
before
us.
B
You
give
in-depth
reasons
why
we
should
save
a
particular
building
or
whatever,
but
all
each
one
of
you
release
studies
every
case
and
I
so
appreciate
that
I'm
really
proud
of
you.
B
Our
next
meeting
is
going
to
be
on
Tuesday
January.
The
10th,
2023.