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B
Thank
you.
Okay.
This
is
the
historic
District's
review
board
for
February
14
2023
I'm,
Anthony,
Guida
I
will
be
acting
chair
tonight
Melissa.
Maybe
we
have
a
roll
call.
Please.
Yes,.
C
Vice
chair
Guida
here
member
Aguilar
Medrano
here,
member
Berkeley
member
Beachside,
yeah,
remember
bienvenue
here,
member
Larson
excused
thank
you.
The
you
have
a
quorum
present.
B
Thank
you
next
item
on
the
agenda
is
the
approval
of
the
agenda.
Does
anyone
have
any
changes,
either
staff
or
the
board.
B
Thank
you
on
to
approval
of
minutes
from
January
24th
2023.
Any
changes
board
members
remember
benvenue.
F
Thank
you
chair
on
page
35,
in
the
middle
of
the
page,
where
it
states
member
Bienvenu,
said
he
thought
anyone
who
had
been
denied
an
exception
should
go
straight
to
District.
Court
change
should
to
could
that's
the
only
change.
I
have.
A
Have
one
change
on
page
seven,
the
last
paragraph,
the
second
sentence
reads
the
two
presented
in
the
packet.
Could
you
please
insert
the
two
example
projects
presented
in
the
packet?
Thank
you.
B
Any
other
changes
I
will
entertain
a
motion
for
approval
of
minutes,
as
amended.
B
B
Melissa
roll
call
vote.
Please.
C
Member
Aguilar
Medrano,
yes,
member
Beach,
yes,
member
bienvenue,
yes,
the
motion
has
been
approved.
B
Thank
you
very
much
on
to
item
D
approval
of
findings
of
facts
and
conclusions
of
law.
There
are
four
here
any
changes
or
questions
for
staff.
C
C
B
You
thank
you.
Next.
We
have
matters
of
the
pump
from
the
public.
Anyone
from
the
public
either
in
this
room
or
online
wishing
to
speak,
is
if
you're
in
the
room.
Please
come
down
to
the
podium.
G
Chair
there
is
one
person
on
Summit
would
like
to
speak.
Stephanie
benonato.
H
Good
evening,
I
wanted
to
bring
a
couple
of
things
up.
First
of
all,
you
just
did
a
vote,
a
two
two
zero
or
two
person
voting
for
the
adoption
and
really
that
resolution
that
Mr
Ruble
keeps
quoting
says
that
the
chair
can
vote
in
order
to
allow
a
procedural
matter
to
go
forward.
So
I
do
think
you
do
need
three
people
voting
in
order
to
have
a
majority
of
a
quorum
of
four.
The
other
thing
is
about.
H
A
month
ago,
I
gave
you
an
update
on
the
Lucchesi
case
and
Miss
lamboy
told
you
that
they
were
submitting,
that
they
had
made
a
mistake
and
were
actually
submitting
something
that
was
more
conforming.
H
But
in
fact,
what
they
presented
to
you
was
exactly
what
they
presented
to
the
boa
and
I
called
Jenkins
and
Gavin
to
see
if
they
had
made
such
a
mistake
in
the
presentation
and
the
application,
and
they
said
absolutely
not
that
what
was
in
front
of
the
H
board
was
in
front
of
the
boa
and
that's
what
they
were
hoping
to
get
approved.
Despite
the
ordinance
that
says
that
they
can't
and
I
just
think,
that's
important
for
you.
H
All
to
know
the
other
thing
is
that
when
I
hear
people
applicants
talking
about
spending
a
lot
of
time
with
the
staff
and
I
I'm,
sorry
Mr,
agreeda
or
member
Guida,
if
I
misheard
you
but
I
thought
you
said
something
about
public
participation
was
staff
and
applicants
needing
and
I
find
it.
You
know
if
you
meet
for
hours
with
staff
and
you
have
a
team
of
eight
or
seven
eight
professionals
with
hundreds
of
hours.
I
The
thing
I
want
to
discuss
is
a
point
about
exceptions.
I
was
walking
down
my
street
today
on
Arroyo
tenorio
and
saw
a
gigantic
yellow
sign.
That
said
that
someone
who
wanted
to
replace
windows
on
a
primary
facade
was
going
to
go
before
the
governing
body
to
get
this
request
heard,
and
so
this
relates
to
the
exceptions.
Part
of
the
code.
I
14-5.2
is
C5
C5
in
C5,
says
staff
shall
determine
whether
exception
is
required.
The
historic
word
may
Grant
an
exception
to
the
regulations,
provided
the
exception
doesn't
exceed
the
underlying
zoning,
but
then
in
subsection
B
of
that
section
5,
it
says.
I
It
says
these
exceptions
shall
be
made
to
the
recommendations
which
shall
be
made
to
the
governing
body
and
the
governing
body
we'll
make
a
decision
about
these
things.
This
has
been
in
in
the
code
for
what
15
years,
20
years,
David
rash,
used
to
say.
Oh
I
mean
the
interesting
thing
is
the
exceptions
for
more
impactful
variances
to
the
code.
Don't
have
to
go
to
the
governing
body.
I
believe
that
this
is.
I
B
Let's
move
on
to
staff
Communications
Heather.
Do
this.
G
As
you
might
know,
she
used
to
be
employed
with
the
city,
but
has
moved
on
and
now
she's
Consulting
on
historic
preservation
matters
for
us,
including
the
CLG
program
she's,
been
helping
to
coordinate
the
certified
local
government
program
grants,
and
so,
but
she
certainly
is,
has
a
breath
of
background
and
information
and
I
thought
it
might
be
helpful
to
the
H
board,
to
you
know,
be
able
to
understand
the
differences
between
national
state
and
local
preservation
ordinances
and
so
that
what
is
what
Nicole
is
going
to
present
right
now,
wonderful.
J
Evening,
good
evening,
Boyd,
it's
nice
to
see
you
all
I'm
glad
to
be
here
so
I'll
give
this
presentation
and
I
have
slides,
but
don't
hesitate
to
like
stop
me
for
clarification
or
questions
or
requests,
for
example.
J
Anything
like
that
that
you
might
need
and
I
won't
try
to
belabor
this,
but
we'll
kind
of
start.
Just
generally.
J
This
discussion
came
about
because
often
over
the
years
that
I've
worked
with
the
city-
sometimes
oh,
that's
on
the
national
register
will
be
thrown
in,
but
we
never
know
quite
how
to
deal
with
it.
So
I
wanted
to
just
provide
that
clarification
and
then,
in
light
of
starting
this
ordinance,
rewrite
I.
J
Think
that
I
really
wanted
to
focus
on
how
important
it
is
for
us
to
focus
on
the
local
preservation
and
not
really
get
distracted
by
national
register
and
state
Register
things,
but
make
sure
that
we're
really
looking
at
how
we're
going
to
serve
our
community
so
and
even
though
I
don't
live
here
anymore.
I
grew
up
here
and
my
family
still
lives
here.
So
my.
J
Too,
okay,
so.
L
J
But
if
we
can
think
about
them
in
terms
of
like
what
their
objectives
are,
then
that'll
help
us
so
I
want
to
make
that
distinction
and
then
kind
of
throughout
the
presentation
kind
of
demonstrate,
the
relevance
of
the
local
ordinance
and
its
potential
to
actually
Preserve
in
a
way
that
we
can't
with
the
national
registered
designations
or
a
state
registered
designation.
J
Okay-
and
this
is
just
the
quick
presentation
outline
we'll
talk
about
Federal
and
how
it's
kind
of
this
umbrella
and
sets
the
tone
for
preservation
and
then
we'll
go
into
the
state
and
I'll.
Just
talk
a
little
bit
about
that
in
terms
of
its
role
and
then
our
local
and
then
the
summary
is
a
little
loose
and
gives
like
just
some
examples
and
things
like
that.
J
L
J
So
if
you
can
just
think
about
who
owns
what
and
one
of
the
biggest
strengths
about
this,
the
local
ordinance
is
that
it
extends
to
private
land
in
a
way
that
the
federal
government
and
the
state
government
don't
necessarily
okay,
so
to
point
out,
that's
one
of
the
powers
of
the
local
ordinance.
J
Generally
speaking
and
right
now,
we
do
have
some
things
in
the
code
that
are
less
less
restrictive
than
what
the
federal
laws
put
out
like
you'll
see
75
years
in
the
ordinance.
On
occasion,
we
probably
don't
want
that.
We
don't
want
to
be
less
restrictive
than
kind
of
the
umbrella,
because
that
can
be
like
a
weakening
Factor.
So.
J
And
so
going
on
with
this,
each
of
these
levels
tells
a
different
history
and
provides
a
different
perspective
that
the
federal
laws
look
to
protect
the
historic
resources
that
are
important
to
our
National
History.
So
they're,
looking
at
things
that
are
important
to
the
nation,
and
it
doesn't
mean
that
a
house
in
Santa
Fe
isn't
important
to
National
History
because
it
can
be,
but
if
we
can
just
kind
of
simplify
and
think
of
it.
J
This
way
state
laws
are
looking
to
focus
on
resources
that
are
significant
about
State
history
and
then
at
the
local
level.
We
really
want
to
focus
on
what's
important
to
the
local
history.
J
I
have
some
examples
here,
such
as
the
Battle
of
Gettysburg,
okay.
So
that's
a
a
national
example.
That's
really
important
to
learn
National
History,
but
it
isn't
particularly
relevant
to
our
immediate
local
history
and
another
example.
Is
the
battle
at
Glorietta
pass
another
Civil
War
battle
and.
M
J
J
Like
directly
relevant
to
Santa
Fe
history,
it
is
peripherally
but
nothing
immediate
right
and
then
The
Schuster
house
I
used.
This
is
my
favorite
example
of
something
that's
very
relevant
and
important.
At
a
local
level.
Will
Schuster
is
very
important
to
Santa
Fe,
but
he's
not
necessarily
elevated.
His
houses
are
not
elevated
to
the
state,
Register
level
or
the
national
register
level.
J
In
the
same
way,
you
might
have
other
resources,
and
it's
not
that
it
couldn't
be,
but
there
hasn't
been
any
kind
of
nomination
put
forward
for
that
that
kind
of
listing
okay.
J
So
at
the
federal
level
we
have
the
National
Historic
preservation
act,
which
created
several
entities
and
programs
that
include
the
national
register
of
historic
places
in
the
state,
historic
preservation
offices
in
each
state
and
again
they
set
the
tone
for
how
preservation
is
managed
on
a
broad
scale
and
not
all
of
the
programs
that
are
part
of
nhpa
are
discussed
here.
J
So
nhpas
became
a
law
in
1966
and
it
was
created
to
protect
historic
places
and
properties,
established
leadership
and
present
preservation
through
support
of
several
organizations
and
programs,
and
it
established
Federal
agency
responsibility
to
evaluate
the
effects
of
projects
they
Undertake
and
that's
probably
one
of
the
most
important
things
that
it
does.
Sometimes
we
talk
about
section
106
and
that's
really
where
that
comes.
In
section
106
and
section
110,
The,
Advisory
Council,
on
historic
preservation.
They
really
were
created
to
manage
that
section,
106
process
and
then
National
register.
J
J
So
what
this
act
does
is
it
looks
to
create
again
this
umbrella
and
set
the
tone,
and
then
it
moves
down
to
the
state
level
and
the
state
assists
local
governments.
So
in
a
way
that
nhpa
is
really
looking
to
support
local
government
preservation,
activities
and
I.
Think
that
that's
an
important
thing
to
keep
in
mind,
because
again
we
often
reach
for
that
like
what
we
think
is
a
bigger
law
and-
and
in
our
case
the
best
one
is
the
local
one,
the
national
register
of
historic
places.
It's
an
official
list
of
places.
J
It's
a
database,
it's
accessible
online.
The
program
is
intended
to
coordinate
the
national
program
with
public
and
private
efforts
to
preserve
nrhp,
provides
guidance
documents
and
brochures
for
evaluating
historic
properties.
They
have
excellent
guidance
documents
and
you
they're
easy
to
access
online.
The
nhp
in
our
HP
criteria,
I
distilled
down
into
these
like
kind
of
simple
ideas
which
are
events,
lives,
characteristics
and
something
that
yields
future
important
information.
Our
more
data.
J
These
criteria
are
kind
of
in
like
infused
into
our
local
ordinance
but
they're,
not
necessarily
directly
discussed,
and
so
there's
a
few
places
in
the
ordinance
where
you
can
tease
out
kind
of
this
criteria
being
being
relevant.
So
as
for
an
example
again,
I'll
use
the
battle
at
Glorietta
that
map
down
in
the
corner
as
an
event.
So
that's
a
good
example
of
an
event
that
would
be
on
the
national
register.
J
The
D.H
Lawrence
Ranch
is
a
good
example
of
lives
and
that
one
has
actually
multiple
criteria
that
it
meets,
so
it
doesn't
have
to
meet
just
one
criteria
or
one
theme
under
the
national
register.
It
can
be
multiple
things.
J
A
good
example
of
unique
characteristics
and
construction
is
the
chemo
theater
and
then
something
that
has
the
potential
to
yield
future
information.
It
archaeological
sites
are
almost
always
made
eligible
under
D,
because
there's
always
potential
for
more
of
our
sites
or
more
information
about
the
site.
J
I
thought
it
was
another
thing
I
was
going
to
say:
is
that
sometimes
I
get
quiet,
I'll
hold
this
like
I'm
doing
karaoke,
so,
okay,
so
through
the
National
Historic
preservation
act,
we
have
the
creation
of
the
state,
historic
preservation
officer
when
we
say
shippo
we're
talking
about
the
officer's
office,
so
we'll
say
shippo
to
mean
the
officer
in
the
office
and
then
we
have
the
certified
local
government.
J
J
So
the
federal
government
said
we
can't
deal
with
all
of
this
local
preservation
incentive
we're
going
to
establish
these
offices
in
each
in
each
state
so
that
they
can
manage
the
federal
process
through
section
106,
and
then
they
can
also
work
to
help.
Preservation
occur
on
the
on
the
local
level,
and
the
CLG
program
is
administered
by
the
the
certified
local
government
program
is
administered
by
the
shippo
okay.
J
So
the
shippo
has
a
lot
of
responsibilities.
They
work
with
the
federal
state
and
local
agencies
to
conduct
surveys
and
maintain
inventories,
so
in
our
case,
doing
like
hick
PS
and
things
like
that.
That's
that's
surveys
and
so
we're
encouraged
by
the
state
historic
preservation
office
to
to
do
those
types
of
inventories
and
surveys
identify
properties
eligible
to
the
nrhp.
J
So
they
need
to
look
for
properties
that
they
think
should
be
listed,
and
here
they
go
through
the
cprc.
The
cultural
properties
Review
Committee
at
the
state
level.
Before
going
to
the
National
register
to
be
reviewed
for
listing,
shippo
also
works
on
preparing
and
implementing
a
state
historic
preservation
plan
that
used
to
come
out
every
five
years.
I
think
that
now
it's
every
10
years
and
that's
accessible
online
and
again
that
sets
the
tone
for
the
state
and
what
state
resources
and
it
takes
some
direction
from
the
national
register.
J
In
terms
of
like
what
the
themes
are,
that
the
national
registers
putting
forward
and
then
they
administer
federal
grants
and
money,
such
as
the
CLG
grants
that
we
take
advantage
of
the
advise
and
assist
federal
state
and
local
governments
with
their
preservation
responsibilities.
They
work
at
all
levels
to
make
sure
historic
properties
are
taken
into
consideration
and
they
provide
public
information,
education
and
training
on
preservation,
work
with
the
local
governments
to
establish
preservation,
programs
and
consult
with
the
federal
agencies.
J
J
J
J
One
is
helping
with
a
digital
application
for
a
tour
that
historic,
Santa,
Fe
Foundation
is
aligning
with
one
of
their
Publications
called
Old,
Santa
Fe
today
and
then
another
one
that
we
have
going
on
is
the
library,
the
public
library
here
downtown,
is
being
evaluated
and
assessed
for
what
future
work
might
happen
to
kind
of
bring
the
building
up
to
par,
because
it's
suffering
from
a
little
bit
of
neglect.
So
that'll
just
be
an
assessment,
let's
see
other
programs
or
other
things
that
have
been
supported
by
CLG
from
the
beginning.
J
Santa
Fe
has
taken
advantage
of
CLG
money
and
created
pamphlets,
educational
documents
for
the
public,
updated
documents,
lots
of
things.
So
it's
really
important
program
to
us.
The
ordinances
were
established
as
part
of
the
CLG
agreement,
so
we
became
a
CLG
in
1986,
with
the
establishment
of
the
H
districts
ordinance
and
the
archeology
ordinance.
J
And
the
CLG
is
required
to
do
the
following,
which
is
to
enforce
State
legislation
for
designation
and
protection
of
historic
properties.
So
this
kind
of
links
a
little
bit
of
responsibility
of
the
city
to
the
state.
It
establishes
historic
preservation,
review
commissions
such
as
the
hdrb
and
maintains
a
system
of
survey
and
inventory
of
historic
properties,
which
we
do
through
the
request
of
HCI
CPI
forms
and
their
updates,
and
we
keep
that
list
of
properties.
J
Our
list
is
our
historic
District's
maps
that
show
The
Districts
and
then
show
the
status,
the
historic
status
of
buildings
and
offers
an
opportunity
for
the
public
to
participate
in
the
preservation
program.
We
have
these
meetings
every
two
weeks,
and
that
and
part
of
that
is
so
that
the
public
has
an
opportunity
to
participate,
and
then
we
should
also
participate
in
nrhp
nominations,
which
we
haven't
done
for
for
a
little
while
so.
J
Okay,
then,
preservation
at
the
local
level,
as
mentioned
before
the
local
ordinance
is
stronger,
is
the
strongest
level
of
protection
for
preservation.
So
the
local
jurisdiction
doesn't
cover
all
reviews
that
might
happen,
for
instance,
review
of
projects
on
a
fader,
federal
or
state
level
or
lands
that
belong
to
the
federal
or
state
government
that
are
within
the
city,
but
it
does
have
a
great
deal
of
authority,
and
so
the
historic
District's
ordinance
and
the
archaeologist
archaeological
ordinance
are
really
important.
J
J
The
preservation
of
local
preservation
is
strongest
because
it's
it
takes
into
account
local
resources
and
history.
It
preserves
a
sense
of
place
in
a
way
that
you
can't
do
with
a
national
registered
District.
That's
looking
at
something
that's
like
a
little
bit
broader
in
terms
of
its
its
Outlook.
So
for
us
we
can
look
at
the
different
historic
districts
and
the
different
neighborhoods,
and
and
and
make
these
finer
distinctions
that
the
national
register
district
for
downtown
Santa
Fe
doesn't
do
the
Santa
Fe
historic
district
it
this.
J
You
know
it
is
more
accessible
to
the
community
than
other
levels
of
preservation,
so
people
can
come
here
and
speak
about
they're
concern
about
an
exception
for
Windows,
whereas
doing
that
for
a
national
registered
district
is
a
a
little
bit
a
little
bit
more
challenging
to
participate
in
so.
K
J
But
there's
opportunities
for
sure,
but
the
federal
and
state
preservation
laws
look
to
Foster
and
support
local
preservation,
not
control
it,
and
so
I
think
that
there's
often
this
misconception
that
if
shippo,
is
reviewing
something
then
they're
like
making
a
determination
that
you
can
or
you
can't
do
something
in
a
very
firm
way.
But
it's
actually
there.
The
shipper's
interest
is
to
Foster,
what's
important
to
the
community,
to
the
local
government
and
so
I
think
that's
an
important
thing
to
keep
in
mind
too.
J
City
of
Santa,
favorite
and
strengths
are
the
historic
districts
that
take
into
account
the
history
of
development
and
the
character
of
Santa
Fe
historic
status,
designations,
allow
for
preservation
of
style
and
material
in
a
way
that
the
national
register
might
honor.
But
it
doesn't
it's
not
as
fine
as
you
can
get
at
the
local
level,
and
the
community
has
the
opportunity
to
participate
again,
really
important
part
and
then,
as
a
summary
again,
the
federal
government
sets
the
tone.
J
The
state
government
coordinates
the
federal
and
the
local
government,
and
the
local
government
preserves
historic
resources
through
their
local
ordinance
and
then
some
other
terminology
that
I
think
is
kind
of
like
a
little
confounding
is
so.
The
national
register
talks
about
not
eligible
eligible
enlisted
sites
right
and
so
not
eligible
sites
are
not
protected.
Eligible
sites
are
protected,
but
they're
not
officially
listed
on
the
national
register
of
historic
places,
and
so
each
of
these
things
has
a
phase,
and
it
requires
that
survey
and
evaluation
to
determine
if
the
resource
is
eligible
or
not
eligible.
J
And
then,
if
it's
eligible
it
can
stay
stay
in
a
state
of
eligibility
in
perpetuity.
Until
somebody
works
to
get
it
listed
on
the
national
register
of
historic
places,
the
state
Register
works
very
very
similarly,
you
have
not
eligible
eligible
and
registered
almost
everything.
That's
on
the
national
register.
That's
within
the
state
is
also
state
Register,
so
you'll
have
both
the
national
register
and
a
state
Register
number,
but
you
might
have
something
that's
registered
in
the
state
and
not
National.
J
So
because
it's
significant
and
then
with
the
city,
we
have
even
more
statuses.
So
we
have
no
status,
which
are
buildings
that
are
not
50
years
or
older,
and
most
of
them
were
built
like
in
the
90s
and
so
you'll
see
on
our
status
map
that
there's
no
status
and
they're
free.
Then
you
have
non-contributing
buildings
and
you
have
contributing
and
you
have
significant
and
then
outside
of
the
historic
districts.
You
have
the
landmark
status
so.
J
And
then
this
is
again
to
just
kind
of
talk
about
agencies,
so
we
talk
about
agencies
and
the
agency
is
usually
the
federal
agency.
We
have
to
deal
with
this
in
the
city
of
Santa
Fe
for
projects
like
the
Sheridan
Avenue
project,
that's
subject
to
section
106
review,
so
the
agency
Federal
agency
that
will
work
with
is
the
Federal
Transit
Administration
and
they
consult
with
shibo
on
the
Grant,
and
so
we
provide
all
the
information
and
say
these
resources
are
affected
or
not
affected.
J
We
provide
it
to
the
FTA
and
then
they
do
the
consultation,
that's
related
to
the
National
register
district
with
the
shippo,
but
anything
that's
impacting
design
in
the
historic
districts
that
are
designated
by
the
city
come
before
the
H
board,
so,
for
instance,
the
bus
shelters.
That's
when
it
is
one
of
the
examples
and
the
our
local
ordinance
is
is
strong
in
the
way
and
the
fact
that
anything,
that's
in
the
historic
districts
or
landmarked,
even
if
it's
getting
Federal
review
and
and
now
at
the
state
level.
J
To
some
extent
too,
it
comes
before
the
board
for
design
review
on
some
level.
So
that's.
N
B
Thank
you,
Nicole.
That
was
tremendously
informative.
I'm
gonna
ask
the
board
if
there
are
any
questions
for
Nicole.
A
You
Nicole,
that
was
great
I,
do
have
a
question
about
if
I
guess,
if
you
have
any
suggestions
or
guidance
on
how
to
view
the
hierarchy
between
these
agencies
and
rules.
When
when
we
look
at
something
that
may
have
a
historic
registry
listing
at
the
state
level,
because
of
maybe
in
a
just
for
an
example,
an
interior
element
that
was
associated
with
an
artist,
for
example,
as
a
reason
for
design
on
the
exterior,
which
is
governed
by
our
local
ordinance.
J
So
that's
tricky
and
I
think
that
yeah,
so
our
ordinance
doesn't
protect
anything
on
the
interior,
but
historic
Santa,
Fe
Foundation
can
put
easements
on
the
interior
of
properties,
and
so
another
thing
is
the
importance
of
working
with
the
local
historic
societies,
because
they
can
kind
of
do
some
of
the
things
and
also
Foster
preservation
in
a
way
that
the
city
may
not
be
able
to
under
their
ordinance
and
in
terms
of
of
how
the
state
would
be
linked
to
that.
J
J
B
Other
questions
no
I
have
a
few
okay,
so
Nicole.
Thank
you
for
laying
out
the
the
timeline
of
the
nhpa
and
then
you
know,
and
and
then
when,
when
the
city
of
Santa
Fe
came
in
as
a
certified
local
government
in
the
1980s
thinking
about
nhpa
in
1966
and
the
kind
of
birth
of
the
preservation
movement
in
the
1960s
I
I'm,
also
thinking
about
the
city
of
Senate
Affairs
ordinance
being
much
older
than
that.
B
J
So
I
would
say
that
no,
it
was.
It
was
built
kind
of
on
this
early
desire
to
have
preservation
in
Santa,
Fe
and
and
I
think
that
so
there's
it's
not
that
the
nhpa
was
the
first
preservation
act.
You
know
before
you
have
the
Antiquities
act
and
you
have
other
acts
that
are
preservation,
oriented
so
and
Community
preservation
is
certainly
not
a
new
thing.
J
So
I
would
say
that
we
had
this
early
ordinance,
which
was
offered
a
great
opportunity
for
Santa
Fe
to
start
preserving
its
history
early
and
then,
when
the
nhpa
came
became
a
law,
it
just
offered
strength
and
then,
with
the
CLG
program,
it
really
offered
the
opportunity
for
local
governments
to
expand
their
preservation
within
their
communities.
So
that's
when
we
start
getting,
we
had
the
national
register.
J
District
nomination
in
the
70s
I
believe
1972
first,
and
that
was
allowed
under
nhpa
CLG
comes
around
in
1980
and
immediately
we
start
having
these
surveys
done
and
and
these
historic
districts
developed
so
yeah
did
that
answer
your.
B
Question
absolutely
yeah.
You
mentioned
the
national
register,
District
nominations
starting
in
the
1970s.
B
We
don't
often
talk
about
here
on
the
the
board
and
things
that
we
associate
with
the
national
register
like
a
period
of
significance,
and
you
know
statement
of
significance,
and-
and
if
our
can
you
can
you
maybe
talk
a
little
bit
about
our
our
registered
historic
districts
and
where
they
align
and
don't
align
with
the
Santa
fe's
historic
districts.
As
we
talk
about
them
here
and-
and
maybe
you
know
what
we
can
look
to
for
traditional
guidance
on
that.
J
So
National,
okay,
the
Santa
Fe
National
register
district,
is
is
the
largest
and
the
first
to
be
nominated
and
listed.
Then
you
also
have
like
the
Camino
Del
Monte
soul,
and
you
have
the
Don
guest
bar
historic
district
they're.
All
national
register
as
well.
J
The
Santa
Fe
historic
district
has
roughly
the
same
boundaries
as
the
majority
of
our
historic
districts,
and
it
includes
the
West
Side
Guadalupe,
the
portions
of
the
transition
District,
the
downtown
and
East
Side
a
large
portion
of
it,
but
it
extends
to
the
other
side
of
Paseo
De
Peralta,
and
then
it
touches
on
some
of
the
river
and
trails
area
and
then
some
of
Camino
Del,
Monte
soul,
but
Camino
Del,
Monte
Sol
was
unique
enough
for
it
to
become
its
own
National
registered
district
and
then
the
Don
guest
bar
area
is
not
included
in
the
Santa
Fe
National
District,
it's
separate,
and
so
so
that
it
aligns
with
our
historic
district,
but
as
a
national
registered
District,
it's
separate,
and
so
now,
as
I
mentioned
National
register
for
Santa
Fe
historic
district
done
in
1972.
J
So
the
periods
of
significance
are
a
particular
issue,
because
you
have
your
period
of
significance
now,
starting
with
that
National
register
District
in
the
1920s,
where
we
we
really
want
the
national
registered
District
to
start
in
1972
when
the
when
the
nomination
went
forward
right
because
we've
come
50
years
or
more
from
that
point
and
this
it
has
been
an
issue
in
some
cases
where
there's
overlapping
jurisdiction
between
the
local
ordinance
and
the
state
Register
Federal,
Register,
so
I
know
that
the
state
would
like
very
much
to
complete
an
update
of
that.
We
did.
J
One
of
the
CLG
grants
that
we
had
last
year
did
pay
for
review
of
buildings
in
the
historic
transition
District
to
kind
of
look
at
the
health
of
that
District,
and
it
would
be
great
if
we
can
do
more
of
those
things
and
then
eventually
do
a
nice
comprehensive
update
of
that
National
register
District.
J
So
if
the
city
and
the
H
board
were
going
to
concentrate
on
something,
I
would
say
that
that
would
be
like
a
primary
National
register
kind
of
initiative
to
pursue,
rather
than
looking
for
other
National
register
properties
to
nominate
which
we
haven't
done
in
a
very
I
can't
remember
the
last
time
there
was
a
national
register
nomination
from
the
city
for
any
property.
B
And
so
your
recommendation
would
be
to
that
that
the
city
pursue
an
update
of
the
national
register.
Yeah.
J
O
J
Huge
area
with
many
many
properties
and
the
other
differences
is
that
you
have
within
historic
districts,
National
Historic
districts.
You
have
contributing
and
non-contributing
properties
and
those
don't
align
at
all
with
ours.
But
that's
okay,
like
they
don't
have
to
again,
because
there's
that
distinction
for
National
level
importance
versus
the
local
level
importance.
J
F
Ita
just
to
follow
up
on
that
point,
I
was
going
to
raise
it
outside,
but
since
it's
been
raised
now
it
seems
to
me
that
the
biggest
glaring
Omission
in
the
National
register
historic
districts
as
compared
to
ours,
is
the
canyon
area,
because
it's
it
does
not
include
Sarah
Gorda,
Road
or
upper
Canyon
Road.
It
really
stops
at
Crystal
Ray
at.
F
So
you've
got
the
entire
Canyon,
which
is
a
very
important
part
of
our
historic
district
and
I,
would
wonder
it
seems
to
me
that
there
should
be
an
effort
by
the
city
to
bring
that
into
either
the
existing
Santa
Fe
historic
district
under
the
national
register
or
an
additional
historic
district.
Yeah.
J
F
So
it's
what?
What
would
it
take
to
get
the
city
to
do
something
along
its
duties,
that
it
has
as
a
CLG
to
I
suppose
work
with
the
state
in
preparing
something
to
submit
to
the
National
register?
For
that
District.
G
Member
Bienvenu,
so
I
think
we
have
a
great
opportunity
here
with
the
zoning
code
updates,
because
you
know
Nicole
and
I
have
discussed
with
the
consultant
team.
The
need
to
you
know
clean
up
the
historic
District's
ordinance,
but
also
to
you
know,
be
more
intentional
and
thoughtful
about
what
we
want
to
see
it
as
today,
I
mean,
for
instance,
it's
been
sittri.
Modern
now
counts
as
historic
and-
and
we
haven't
touched
that
on
that
much,
but
there's
a
lot
of
those
buildings
in
the
historic
review
District.
G
So
so
with
reference
to
sort
of
the
spin-off
nomination
and
the
potential
of
a
different
District
than
that
can
be
part
of
that
conversation
for
sure.
B
I
I
raised
the
question
about
the
statement
of
significance,
just
because
you
know
we
often
we
grasp
at
the.
Why
often
here
when
we're
making
decisions,
because
it's
not
those
things
are
not
explicitly
set
out
in
the
code.
I
know
that
when
we
do
get
a
report
from
John
Murphy,
you
know
those
some
of
those
things
are
mentioned,
but
that's
on
a
property
by
property
basis.
B
The
the
bigger
picture
of
why
a
a
district
is
federally
recognized
is
something
too
that
we
should
be
aware
of
it's
something
that
you
know
in
our
updates.
I.
Imagine
that
we
would
also
contribute
to
whether
it's
it's
the
mid-century
architecture
and
then,
as
things
have
changed
or
boundaries
have
changed.
B
The
city
has
said
you
know
this
area
is
significant,
but
you
know
to
me
alignment
and-
and
maybe
in
the
code-
rewrite
that
the
inclusion
of
statements
of
significance
and
periods
of
significance
would
be
a
really
helpful
guide
for
a
lot
of
our
public
discussion.
J
Yeah
and
there's
so,
if
you
think
about
the
difference
between
what
the
national
register
even
their
forms,
looked
like
in
1986
compared
to
now,
yeah.
P
J
So
we
have
a
lot
more
terminology,
new
things,
different
yeah,
so
I
think
that
that's
a
good
yeah.
We
would
again
like
that.
National
register
wants
to
give
guidance
and
it
doesn't
mean
that
it's
always
applicable
to
the
local
ordinance,
but
it
may
be
helpful.
B
Okay,
yeah
good
with
at
the
permission
of
the
board
I,
think
I
would
open
this
up
to
a
few
public
comments:
okay,
okay,
members
of
the
public
in
the
room
wishing
to
speak.
Please
come
on
down
to
the
podium.
L
My
name
is
Elizabeth
West
and
I'm
thrilled
that
this
is
happening.
Thank
you,
Heather.
Thank
you.
Nicole
and
Nicole.
First
of
all,
I
just
want
to
say
that
it
doesn't
matter
where
you
live.
You
could
be
working
in
Hollywood
you're,
still
a
set
of
fan
there.
You
go
I
really
appreciate
this.
As
you
said,
Mr
Guida.
We
we
all
need
this.
The
the
public
needs
it.
People
who
are
fantasizing
about
redoing
their
house
need
it
real
estate.
People
need
it.
Newcomers
who
think
they
want
to
come
in.
Oh
I,
love,
Santa,
Fe.
L
L
District
of
Cambridge
called
Tory
row
and,
thank
heavens,
the
house
I'm
in,
is
it's
well
represented
in
Habs,
and
it's
it's
this
amazing
place
and
I'm
I'm
hoping
they'll.
Let
me
come
in
and
visit
it
now,
but
it's
really
fun
to
be
part
of
this
history
and
I
I
think
Cambridge
is
struggling.
They
stay
up
their
equivalent
of
hdrb
stays
up
till
two
in
the
morning,
regularly
struggling
with
protections
and
at
least
they're
not
as
bad
off
we're
not
as
bad
off
as
poor
old
Paris
everybody's
frustrated.
L
There
we've
lost
our
Old
Town
I'm
thrilled
with
this
I
want
a
copy
of
what
you
did
and
I
think
one
of
the
wonderful
I
know
two
minutes
is
almost
up
one
of
the
wonderful
things
that
your
group
could
do.
Nicole
and
I
I've
attempted
to
turn
around,
but
I've
been
reprimanded
by
the
mayor.
Don't
turn
and
talk
to
them.
L
I
hope
that
we
can
get
a
very
expanded
version
of
what
you
have
done
and
presented
here
with
lots
of
photographs,
a
pamphlet
that
we
could
well
I'm,
going
to
mention
it
to
the
Old
Santa
Fe,
Association
I
think
we
should
help
you
do
that.
Thank
you
ever
so
much
sorry
to
be
so
enthusiastic.
G
Miss
Stephanie
bananato
would
like
to
speak.
Yes.
H
Hi
Stephanie
benonato
Nicola,
yes,
I,
do
want
to
thank
you
for
doing
this
report.
I
think
it's
quite
helpful.
The
way
you've
laid
it
out
and
I
really
hope
that
we
take
our
responsibility
of
local
preservation
seriously
I'm
concerned
when
people
say
things
like
simple
exceptions,
because
exceptions,
as
we
heard
I
think
two
weeks
ago,
were
not
allowed
to
begin
with,
and
so
I
think
they
should
be
rare
and
not
simple
and.
H
F
If
I
could
thank
you
check,
wait
a
follow
up
on
that
I
I
think
Stephanie
may
have
just
mentioned
the
Obelisk
or
the
soldiers
monument,
and
it
might
be
an
opportune
time
to
revisit
Heather
the
issue
of
whether
or
not
the
city
believes
that
anything
that
is
done
with
the
soldiers.
Monument
must
come
before
this
board
before
any
reconstruction
or
demolition
or
revisions
is
undertaken.
Q
I
cannot
answer
that
question
at
this
time,
but
you
know
I
have
not
been
asked
to
participate
in
those
discussions
because
there
are
so
many
players
involved.
Apparently
the
state
historic
preservation
office.
Some
seems
to
me,
like
some
division
of
the
United
States
is
involved
in
that
and
my.
Q
Recognizing
the
complicated
nature
of
it
is
trying
to
manage
all
those
different
interests,
but
I
can
certainly
pass
along
to
her
your
expression
of
concern
that
some
decision
might
be
made
without
involving
the
historic
district
review
board.
Right
and
I
understand
your
position,
because
obviously
the
plaza
is
in
the
historic
district
and
I
believe
the
H
board
has
some.
F
So
to
me
we
don't
just
have
an
interest
in
it
because
we're
interested
in
preservation,
but
we
have
authority
over
that
structure
and
anything
that
would
be
done
with
it.
At
this
point,
that's
my
interpretation
of
the
ordinance
I
think
the
ordinance
is
clear
in
that
respect.
I'm
not
looking
for
an
answer
today.
I
would
just
want
to
know
if
the
city
has
changed
its
position
on
that,
since
we
were
last
advised
that
that
be
brought
to
our
attention
and.
Q
M
Q
It's
intermediate
phase
and
some
decision
will
probably
be
made
this
year,
but
I
can
certainly
pass
along
your
concerns
to
Ms
mcsherry.
B
Okay,
we're
going
to
move
on
to
the
cases
for
tonight.
Yes,.
G
Just
one
quick
announcement-
yes
I,
would
like
to
make
tomorrow
night
the
15th
we're
going
to
be
having
a
kickoff
for
the
update
of
the
zoning
code.
The
Consultants
Clarion
is
a
Clarion
is
in
town
they're,
based
out
of
Denver
Colorado,
and
so
the
open
house
will
be
held
at
the
convention
center.
It
could
be
a
community
contribution
Center
and
it
will
start
at
six
o'clock,
so
anybody
that
would
like
to
join
us.
Please
do
thank.
G
There
will
be
a
couple
of
presentations
about
the
process
and
it's
broken
up
into
three
phases
and
then
a
conversation
generally
about
you
know
what
items
are
contained
within
each
section
and
then
there
is
a
survey
and
a
website
that
is
is
now
up,
and
this
will
give
people
the
opportunity
to
provide
comments
in
person
or
know
the
resources
where
they
can
provide
comments
and
and
also
know
when
meetings
are
coming
out
as
well.
On
that
website.
B
We're
going
to
move
on
to
cases.
We
have
two
cases
under
old
business.
Two
under
new
tonight
before
we
get
started.
I
will
notify
applicants
that,
if
you
disagree
with
the
rulings
of
the
boards
tonight,
you
met
you
have
15
days
after
the
findings
and
facts
and
conclusions
of
law
are
approved
to
appeal
our
decision
to
the
governing
body.
With
that
we
will
move
on
to
the
first
case.
M
B
Is
220
Rodriguez,
Street
and
Heather?
This
is
your
case.
G
So
the
this
case
came
before
the
historic
District's
review
board
back
in
December,
and
there
were
several
questions
that
were
raised
at
that
time.
The
building
itself
is
located
at
220
Rodriguez
and
is
considered
a
contributing
building.
G
The
primary
facades
are
the
South
facade,
which
you
see
here,
as
well
as
the
West
facade,
the
location
of
the
site
is
off
of
East,
Palace,
Avenue
and
Rodriguez,
so
you
can't
see
Palace
Avenue,
but
Rodriguez
sort
of
snakes
through
the
neighborhood,
and
so
it
is
on
the
southernmost
portion
of
Rodriguez
Street
and,
as
you
can
see
here
on
the
blown
up
Ariel,
the
lot
is
somewhat
irregular
in
shape
so
to
almost
triangular
in
shape,
and
so
that
would
help
to
sort
of
explain
the
context
for
the
placement
of
the
addition.
G
Furthermore,
there
is
a
drive
that
there's
an
easement
and
a
drive
that
goes
to
the
north
of
the
house
that
accesses
houses
Beyond.
This
was
part
of
an
old
family
compound
and
so
like
many
areas
of
the
East
Side
downtown
and
east
side,
there
it's
sort
of
funky
in
nature
and
that's
not
an
area
where
an
addition
can
take
place.
G
So
you
may
recall,
from
our
conversation
before
my
presentation,
that
the
house
was
built
in
many
different
phases
and
the
lower
right
hand.
This
is,
it
was
present
on
the
1912
Kings
map,
as
well
as
the
plight
of
there
was
a
flight
of
survey
from
1973
showing
the
evolution
of
the
house.
But
sorry,
it's
small,
but
you
can
see
there's
different
areas
in
which
the
house
was
built
and
a
portion
of
that
house
is
demolished
and
that's
on
the
east
side.
So
that
is
no
longer
present.
G
Oh
I
wonder
I
need
to
put
on
my
PowerPoint.
My
apologies
all
right,
so
the
update
to
the
proposed
changes
include
replacement
of
all
doors
and
windows
with
wood
windows
on
the
primary
elevations.
The
board
had
concern
regarding
of
not
having
material
in
like
kind.
There
is
a
window
assessment,
that's
been
provided
in
your
packets
regarding
the
condition
of
the
windows
and
how
whether
they
can
be
preserved
or
whether
there's
a
recommendation
by
a
professional
for
replacement.
G
The
East
End
of
the
north
facade
is
so,
which
you
can
see
on
the
right
hand,
side
picture
is
the
East
End
of
the
north.
Facade
is
in
this
area
where
the
door
and
window
is
that
that
would
be
raised
to
approximately
15
feet,
8
inches,
so
it
changes
the
masking.
But
this
is
not
a
primary
facade.
G
The
Proposal
is
to
construct
an
addition
on
this.
You
know
on
the
south
elevation
with
a
Breezeway.
The
height
of
the
addition
would
vary,
however,
based
on
the
topography
which
I'll
go
into
in
a
minute,
and
then
there
would
be
a
yard
wall
that
would
connect
to
the
coyote
fence.
That's
existing
on
and
it's
a
stone
yard
wall
similar
to
what's
out
there
right
now,
but
just
not
very
high.
G
So
this
is
an
illustration
of
the
existing
and
then
the
proposed
site
plan.
So
you
can
see
there's
a
lot
of
topography
on
the
site.
The
Topo
lines
are
a
little
more
legible
on
the
right
photo
or
I'm.
Sorry
drawing,
and
so
the
addition
will
extend
out
from
that
front
facade
the
south
facing
facade
with
the
use
of
a
Breezeway
and
then
the
addition
will
step
down
the
Hillside
and
you
can
see
the
to
the
the
contour
lines
tightening
up
there,
so
it
will
be
sort
of
burned
in
to
the
hillside
the
street
view.
G
This
is
not
exactly
the
view
you
get
as
we
were
walking
up
the
street
today,
the
if
the
defense
is
fairly
tall,
but
one
of
the
things
to
think
about
is
that
the
when
it
comes
to
consideration
of
additions
and
changes
to
a
building
public
visibility
does
not
consider
fences
and
walls,
so
those
could
always
be
removed.
G
G
The
door
is
going
to
be
retained
but
widened,
and
then
some
second
level
windows
will
be
installed
in
that
popped
up
area
and
then
on
the
west
elevation
on
the
inside,
and
you
can
see
in
the
updated
historic
inventory
form
in
the
the
history
that
there
was
once
a
window
in
the
location
where
that
sort
of
black
box
is,
on
the
left
hand
side
there.
So
they
want
to
reintroduce
that
window
and
also
replace
the
existing
door
there
with
a
new
door.
G
G
So
with
reference
to
the
South
elevation.
There
are
some
renderings
that
the
applicant
has
provided
that
illustrates
this
a
little
bit
better,
but
in
plan
view
you
can
see
the
changes
to
the
building.
I'm
sorry,
oh.
G
With
the
the
pop-up
at
the
rear,
so
as
that
this
elevation,
the
rear,
will
not
exactly
because
of
the
slope
of
the
land
not
exactly
be
seen
like.
It
is
in
that
true
plan
view
there,
but
it
will
add
some
texture
and
step
to
the
historic
residence
and
then
the
addition
will
be
coming
down
the
hillside.
As
you
can
see,
there
are
two
levels
of
their
proposed
bad
timing
for
this.
G
Okay,
so
I
just
wanted
to
provide
you
with
an
illustration
of
what
was
provided
to
us
last
time,
the
December
meeting
and
this
time,
and
so
this
is
a
rendering
on
the
upper
left
of
what
the
proposal
was.
G
Last
time,
you
could
see
that
they've
really
made
a
light
sort
of
attachment,
a
Breezeway
attachment,
so
you
can
see
more
of
the
facade,
and
so
it
feels
like
something
that
could
be
easily
removed
in
the
historic
building
would
be
retained,
also
for
the
historic
design,
review
or
districts
review
board
Direction
the
applicant
increased
the
size
of
the
window
on
that
west
elevation.
G
There
were
story
poles
out
on
the
site,
and
some
of
us
got
to
see
that
today,
at
the
site,
visits
so
on.
The
left
is
the
previous
proposal
on
the
right
is
the
current
proposal.
So
what
is
provided
for
what
the
current
proposal
is
more
light
and
differentiation
along
the
facade
and
also
which
helps
to
distinguish
the
addition
from
the
historic
home
so
that
it?
G
You
know
it
does
communicate
sort
of
a
sense
of
chronology
with
reference
to
the
exception,
requests
so
the
applicant,
since
they
have
changed-
and
you
may
have
seen
in
your
packet,
the
you
know
they
are
now
proposing,
would
would
divided
light
windows
on
the
historic
residence
itself
and
then
just
the
brown
anodized
aluminum
divided
light
windows
on
the
rest
of
the
building,
as
well
as
on
the
addition.
G
So
the
exception
to
replace
historic,
Windows,
not
in
kind,
is
not
something
that
is
necessary
to
consider
anymore
with
that
change,
but
the
exceptions
to
construct
an
addition
on
the
primary
facade
to
construct
editions
that
will
retain
or
impact
the
original
form
and
integrity,
which
is
debatable
now
this
is
some.
G
This
Edition
is,
is
can
be
removed
and
the
historic
fabric
of
the
building
retained,
but
I
will
defer
to
the
historic
District's
review
board
for
that,
and
then
an
exception
for
an
addition,
that
is
in
a
style
that
is
not
Old,
Santa,
Fe
style,
so
just
to
remind
the
H
board.
This
is
something
these
are
exceptions
that
will
have
to
be
concurred
by
the
governing
body.
G
The
age
board
is
recommending
in
this
particular
case,
rather
than
making
the
decision
until
which
time
the
tech
amendment
is
approved,
so
staff
recommends
approval
for
the
project
staff
feels
that
the
exception
criteria
have
been
met,
provided
that
the
windows
are
in
kind
so
which
has
been
accommodated
for,
and
so
that
concludes
my
presentation.
B
Thank
you,
heather
for
the
concise
and
clear
presentation,
a
question
for
the
second
applicable
exception
for
this
case.
B
E
Thank
you,
chair
Guida
Heather
on
the
south
facade
the
window
on
the
far
right
hand
side
in
the
window
report.
He
calls
that
out
as
an
arrange,
an
original
frame
from
the
1940s
and
I
see
that
the
proposal
changes.
The
opening
of
that
window
would
that
require
an
exception
to
change
the
opening
of
a
historic
window.
G
Chair
commissioner,
Aguilar
I'm
sorry
board
member
Aguilar
Medrano
I
will
defer
to
the
applicant,
but
it
was
my
understanding
that
there
was
a
historic
opening
that
there
was
that
size,
but
I'll
have
to
do
part
of
the
applicant
I'll
have
to
look
at
the
packet
really
quick,
just
to
confirm.
Okay,
thank.
G
B
C
O
Board
member
chair,
Guido
and
aguita
sorry
and
members
of
the
board,
my
name
is
Carl
summer.
My
address
is
PO
Box
2476,
Santa,
Fe,
New
Mexico.
O
We'll
be
very
brief,
first
we'd
like
to
express
our
appreciation
to
staff
for
the
time
the
attention
helping
through
the
modifications
that
are
in
front
of
you,
one
of
the
things
that
was
not
mentioned
and
chair
Rios
had
asked
that
Bobby
Padilla
get
out
there
and
look
at
the
property.
He
did
do
that
and
he
confirmed
the
representation
that
was
made
at
the
last
hearing
about
the
condition
of
the
property.
I
think
that
was
one
of
her
concerns.
I
just
wanted
the
board
to
know
that
we
had
followed
through
on
that.
O
That's
important
because
it
was
a
sort
of
key
to
what
we're
trying
to
do
here.
I'm
not
going
to
go
through
all
the
changes,
but
I
would
say
it's
been
very
helpful
to
deal
with
with
Heather
on
understanding
and
then
taking
that
understanding
into
changes
into
this
building.
O
That
we
believe
is
a
much
better
project
and
lowering
the
height
the
openings
on
the
you
know,
just
the
distinction
between
the
old
and
the
new
I
think
that
we
agree
with
everything
that
she
said
and
we'd
stand
for
any
questions
and
to
answer
the
question
that
board
member
Medrano
had
that
window
and
Stephanie
could
tell
you
that
window.
Opening
that.
R
Was
the
historic
we're
just
putting
it
back
to
the
historic
opening
so
the
window
on
the
left
and
the
right
they
matched
before,
but
when
that
bathroom
got
updated
in
the
90s
or
something
they
just
filled
it
in?
So
when
we
were
doing
repair,
we
found
the
historic
opening.
That's
why
we're
wanting
to
turn
that
back
to
its
original.
E
R
Yeah
I,
don't
believe
that
that's
actually
the
case
because
it
as
the
wall
was
open
it.
You
can
see
the
original
frame.
Okay,.
R
O
So
we'd
stand
for
any
questions
and
again
we
think
Heather
for
all
the
time
that
she's
put
into
this
and
for
the
guidance
that
the
board
gave
us
at
its
last
meeting
about
how
to
address
the
concerns
that
we've
done,
and
we
hope
that
we
have
addressed
your
concerns
to
the
degree
that
you
can
recommend
approval
for
the
project.
Thank.
B
You
Carl
questions
for
Carl
and
Stephanie
from
the
board.
F
Thank
you,
chair,
gwade,
I,
guess
this
is
more
comments
and
questions
in
the
famous
phrase,
just
picking
up
on
Carl
your
last
Point,
I
I,
don't
think
perhaps
the
applicant
and
you'll
be
surprised,
I'm
still
not
persuaded
that
this
is
an
approvable
project.
I
do
appreciate
the
work
that
you
put
into
it
and
I
do
think.
You've
made
it
better,
in
particular,
if
this
was
new
construction.
I
think
that
you'd
probably
be
very
close
to
something
I
could
approve
the
problem.
F
I
have-
and
this
is
where
Nicole's
presentation
was
timely,
is
I.
Don't
think
this
is
a
style
issue.
I
think
this
is
a
preservation
issue.
This
is
a
very
significant
building
in
my
mind
that
the
board
very
recently
designated
as
contributing
and
contributing
meaning
that
the
board
has
made
a
determination
that
this
individual
structure
structure,
just
as
it
exists
today.
F
It
helps
preserve
the
character
of
the
East,
Side,
District
and
the
reason
it
did.
That
was
because
of
all
the
characteristics
that
are
obvious
in
the
structure.
It's
extreme
Simplicity.
It's
extreme
modesty.
It's
it's
vernacular
handmade
traditions.
We
you
know
it.
This
building
goes
back
to
the
1800s.
F
It
appears,
but
most
of
it
and-
and
it
looks
like
most
of
that's
still
intact-
the
parts
that
go
back
that
far
almost
I
think
all
of
it
goes
back
to
the
early
part
of
the
last
century,
and
it
just
is
relevant
of
all
of
those
characteristics
that
define
the
east
side
from
that
era,
not
architect
driven
buildings,
but
the
handmade
vernacular
that
is
disappearing
from
the
East
side.
And
so,
when
I
look
at
this,
you
know
you
have
three
groups:
exceptions
that
are
needed.
F
You
were
adding
on
an
addition
that
is
dramatically
a
departure
from
the
building
that
exists
and
also
is
in
massing,
in
my
mind,
overwhelming
to
the
existing
building.
So
I
think
it's
a
relatively
easy
call
to
say
number
one
that
this,
the
the
exception
criteria
have
not
been
met
in
this
particular
case.
F
But
even
more
importantly,
in
my
mind,
is
the
fact
that
I
don't
think
anyone
would
call
this
a
contributing
building
if
it
were
constructed
in
the
way
that's
been
proposed,
and
so,
if
it
came,
if
we
hadn't
designated
it,
this
was
construction
took
place,
and
then
it
came
before
us
for
designation
I
feel
certain
that
it
would
be
non-contributing,
and
that
means
that
this
Edition
would
be
the
additions,
would
be
making
a
contributing
building
non-contributing
in
essence,
and
the
ordinance
specifically
provides
that
the
board
cannot
approve
additions.
That
will
require
a
downgrade
in
status.
F
So
again,
I'm
sorry
about
that.
I
understand
that
there
are
reasons
why
this
property,
as
it
exists,
might
not
work
out
perfectly
for
the
intentions
that
you
have
but
I
think
that's
just
a
limitation
on
both
the
lot,
as
well
as
the
existing
historic
structure.
That's
there
and
I
like
I,
said
I.
Think
it's
a
relatively
easy
call.
E
Thank
you,
chair,
Guida
I'm,
actually
not
going
to
address
the
design
of
the
Edition,
because
I
agree
with
member
Bienvenu
that
I
don't
believe
the
exception
criteria
have
been
met.
That
would
allow
an
addition
to
be
built
on
the
primary
facade
in
the
first
place.
In
particular,
you
know
question
number
two,
which
is
in
regards
to
a
hardship.
E
I
know,
I
stated
this
in
my
in
the
last
meeting,
but
I
still
firmly
believe
that
you
cannot
purchase
a
contributing
building
that
doesn't
reasonably
fit
your
needs
and
then
claim
not
being
able
to
construct
an
addition
as
a
hardship.
I,
don't
believe
this
is
the
intent
of
the
exception
when
it
was
created
and
I'm
just
very
cautious
about
allowing
that
interpretation
of
it.
E
I
found
this
sentence
to
be
really
powerful,
because
it's
we're
talking
about
now
functional
residents
and
the
reason
I
have
an
issue
with
that
is.
If
we
look
at
the
history
of
this
building,
it
dates
back.
You
know
more
than
a
century
and
families
have
continuously
lived
in
this
building
and
smaller
versions
of
it.
You
know
for
over
a
hundred
years,
and
so
what
is
different
now
that
makes
this
structure
no
longer
a
functional
residence.
E
The
other
issue
I
have
with
that
is
that
you
know
if
we're
claiming
that
it
doesn't
have
enough
size
to
act
as
a
functional
residence.
Your
the
plans
propose
to
commit
a
quarter
of
the
existing
footprint
to
what
appears
to
be
a
guest
bedroom
with
its
own
kitchen
and
separate
entrance
I'm
wondering
you
know
if
you
need
a
dedicated
space
for
a
guest
bedroom
or
Casita
of
sorts.
E
E
I'm
still
concerned
about
the
amount
of
historic
material
that
we're
removing.
During
the
last
meeting
I
brought
up
on
the
south
facade,
which
is
primary.
There
is
a
series
of
historic
vigas,
and
at
that
time
you
told
me
that
they
weren't
getting
covered
up,
but
again
the
drawings
are
clearly
showing
that
those
vegans
are
being
covered
up
elsewhere
in
the
packet.
Those
same
Vega
ends
are
referred
to
as
character
defining.
E
So
when
I
look
at
this
building
as
a
whole
and
everything
you're
proposing
to
it.
What
I'm
seeing
is
that
you
are
proposing
to
change
the
massing.
We
are
changing
the
footprint
by
adding
the
addition
you
are
removing
or
covering
up
all
historic
figures,
you're,
removing
all
historic,
Windows,
you've
already
removed
the
non-historic,
but
character,
adding
shutters,
and
then
you
are
changing
the
colors
of
the
stucco
and
the
treatments
so
I
think
look.
E
This
is
a
significant
amount
of
changes
to
impose
on
a
on
a
very
humble
structure
and
I
also
am
very
concerned
that
if
all
of
these
were
to
take
place,
that
it
would
lose
its
status,
that's
contributing
because
I
also
look
at
it
through
the
filter
of
you
know.
Let's
just
say
this:
building
didn't
have
a
status
yet
or
a
primary
facade,
and
all
these
changes
had
already
happened
and
we
went
out
in
two
years
to
do
a
status
review.
Would
we
consider
contributing
and
and
what
facade
would
we
designate
as
primary
and
I
I?
E
R
I
want
to
speak
to
one
thing,
which
is
just
that
it
is
a
vernacular
building
and
it's
been
used
in
so
many
different
ways
and,
as
you
saw
in
the
drawings
that
Heather
showed
you,
the
original
historic
had
a
house
that
was
two-thirds
the
size
taped
on
to
that
building
and
that
had
a
different
purpose,
because
the
woman
who
owned
the
house
rented
that
rented
out
that
building
and
so
when
each
people
from
the
koreas
and
the
dolphel
Myers
have
moved
in
they've
changed
the
building
to
meet
their
need,
and
this
I'm
a
designer.
R
And
this
is
what
I
do
for
a
living
and
everybody
has
to
make
small
changes
to
suit
the
need
of
the
family.
Our
families
particular
because
we
work
and
we
live
at
home.
We
love
the
house,
we
love
the
historic
nature
and
I
love
vernacular
architecture
and
just
handmade.
We
call
her
the
mud
hat,
we
love
it,
we're
trying
to
make
repairs
to
the
building
that
allow
it
to
live
for
another
130
years
and
House
people
far
beyond
us.
So
I
am
we're
only
opening
historic
openings.
R
B
Thank
you
Stephanie
before
we
go
to
public
comment,
I
I
do
want
to
say
that
I
admired
this
project
last
time,
I
was
presented.
B
I
think
the
direction
of
the
board
and
I
want
the
board
to
keep
that
in
mind.
Tonight
was
a
was
a
response
to
what
was
presented,
not
a
desire
to
go
necessarily
in
a
different,
completely
different
direction.
In
my
mind,
the
the
overall
scheme
of
the
project,
which,
which
leaves
which,
which
puts
an
addition,
a
second
story
addition
in
within
the
existing
footprint
in
an
area
that
is
totally
compliant
with
code
in
terms
of
setbacks
in
terms
of
not
affecting
a
primary
facade.
B
All
of
that
that
addition
to
me
is
you
know
in
the
clear
and
is,
is
a
kind
of
straightforward
approval.
The
proposal
to
connect
a
new
building
Mass
to
the
old
building
Mass,
with
as
light
of
a
Breezeway
as
possible,
also
appealed
to
me
and
perhaps
other
members
of
the
board.
Last
time
this
was
presented
as
as
a
legitimate
preservation
approach,
one
that,
in
any
other
context,
we
would
understand,
as
leaving
the
Integrity
of
an
existing
building
intact
and
lightly,
touching
a
primary
facade,
which
does
require
an
exception.
B
There
are
not
three
exceptions
being
requested
tonight
there
are
two
and
and
and
to
me,
that's
a
sensitive
addition
to
the
property.
We
must
also
remember
this
is
not
a
significant
building.
This
is
a
contributing
building.
It
contributes
to
the
district
and
to
the
streetscape
I,
don't
see
anything
in
the
proposal
that
doesn't
allow
that
building
to
continue
to
contribute
to
the
streetscape
as
it
did,
and
that
is
by
by
the
measure
of
the
of
the
kind
of
light
or
kind
of
one
point
addition
to
that
primary
facade.
B
All
of
those
elements,
the
things
that
the
that
this
board
identified
as
character,
defining
as
primary
are
all
still
intact.
There
just
happens
to
be
a
change
to
the
property.
Change
is
part
of
what
we
manage
here
on
the
historic
districts
review
board.
The
applicant
made
a
great
point
that
these
buildings
did
change
over
time
and
change
as
a
kind
of
characteristic
of
our
districts
and
our
way
of
building
in
Santa
Fe.
B
So
for
me
you
know
both
in
terms
of
the
exceptions
and
in
terms
of
the
overall
intent
of
the
project
and
and
what
has
been
presented
in
the
design.
I
think
this
is
an
exemplary
project
in
our
historic
districts.
I'm
not
voting
tonight,
but
I
would
I.
Would
it
would
be
an
approved
vote
for
me
if
there
were
no
other
comments
or
questions
from
the
board
for
now
I'll
take
its
public
comment.
C
P
Name
is
John
Eddy.
My
address
is
14
Avenida
Campo,
Verde,
Santa,
Fe,
87506,
chair
guider
and
board
members.
Thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
speak
to
this.
I.
Do
think
that
some
clarification,
maybe
can
come
perhaps
from
the
assistant
City's
attorney
on
these
exceptions,
either
being
met
or
not
being
met,
because
there
seems
to
be
different
discretion
among
the
board
members.
P
So
I
really
appreciate
the
details
that
have
been
picked
up
by
board
member
Medrano
and
benvenue
and
I
think
they
bear
close
discretion
there
and
abort.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thanks.
B
C
M
My
name
is
James
stodgel
and
I'm
3858
Quail,
View
Lane
I
just
wanted
to
say
that
I've
been
helping
Stephanie
along
with
this
project
and
doing
the
drawings
and
making
some
of
the
images
and
stuff
like
that
and
I
just
wanted
to
say
that
I
really
don't
understand,
I
believe
that
you
can
make
improvements
or
additions
or
do
sort
of
restoration
work
and
basically
provide
a
longevity
or
basically
extend
the
life
of
all
the
aspects
that
we
were
talking
about
with
the
vigas
with
the
window.
M
Details
with
reopening
these
windows
that
have
been
covered
up,
I
feel
like
just
because
it's
a
an
addition
and
a
lot
of
little
things
that
we're
trying
to
do
to
to
make
the
building
last
another
100
years,
we're
not
losing
all
those
historic
aspects
which
make
the
project
so
cool
and
so
special
to
our
city.
M
You
know
so
I
just
wanted
to
let
you
know
that
all
those
things
that
currently
exist
in
the
building,
all
those
parts-
the
vigas
the
windows,
the
treatments
of
the
stucco,
all
those
things-
are
still
going
to
be
right
there
in
in
the
project.
They're,
not
we're
not
taking
these
away
from
the
project
and
in
regards
to
the
addition
we're
trying
to
be
as
light
as
we
can
that
entire
aspect
can
be
removed.
M
It
really
has
no
impact
on
the
current
existing
windows
or
the
you
know,
Vegas
all
that
kind
of
stuff
we're
just
trying
to
put
something
there.
That
makes
the
property
function
in
a
in
a
manner
that
suits
the
the
the
new
owners
of
the
the
building.
You
know
and
the
reason
they
bought
that
property
was
because
they
saw
that
there
was
this
opportunity
to
do
something
with
it
to
make
it
make
it
into
their
own
home
and
make
it
something
that
works
for
them.
M
So
those
are
just
some
of
the
things
I
wanted
to
add.
There's
also
two
primary
facades
of
the
whole.
M
The
West
facade
is
still
a
primary
facade
and
we're
not
doing
anything
to
that
and
we're
really
trying
to
actually
make
that
more
significant
by
reopening
a
window
and
doing
some
other
things
to
that
as
well.
So
thank.
H
H
You're,
muted,
okay,
can
you
hear
me
now?
Yes,
okay,
I'm,
sorry
so
I
agree
with
a
member
bienvenue.
C
H
So
I
guess.
M
H
Restart
the
time
I
agree
with
members,
bienvenue
and
Aguilar
Medrano
I
think
that
the
primary
facade
is
totally
overwhelmed
by
the
addition.
The
massing
of
a
two-story
addition
so
close
is.
H
M
H
To
the
structure
without
having
to
make
any
change
or
make
any
additions
and
also
interior
changes.
K
H
Exterior
changes
and
my
understanding
standing
is
that
the
house,
especially
that
facade,
has
stayed
there
and
has
been
there
for
I
think
it's
close
to
100
years,
so
I
I
again.
Yes,
they
have
adopted
the
existing
footprint,
the
existing
house
to
meet
their
needs.
They
didn't
say:
let's
make
it
into
something
we
want
and
I
really.
M
H
A
member
Aguilar
Madonna's
idea
of
putting
the
addition
down
the
hill
totally
separate
from
the
house
and
I.
Think
having
that
you
know,
sloped
down,
would
really
make
a
big
difference,
because
fsod
is
just
it's
just
really
important
and
and
I
hope
that
you
will.
You
know
again:
I
I
can't
say
that
you
they've,
proved
hardship
and
so
I
hope.
C
H
You
your
views
will
prevail.
Thank
you.
B
A
I
have
just
a
few
questions
for
the
applicants.
Please
I
believe
in
response
to
our
comments.
The
addition
on
the
south
has
been
reduced
in
height.
Can
you
tell
us,
is
it
am
I
reading
that
correctly?
Is
it
one
foot
taller
than
the
current
structure?
Six.
K
R
A
Thank
you
and
then,
with
respect
to
the
the
windows
you're
you're,
proposing
a
replacing
kind
with
respect
to
material
wood
and
paint
as
well.
R
They
all
have
a
clear
finish:
I
was
speaking
to
the
the
original
owner
still
well,
the
grandson
still
lives
behind
me,
Ed
and,
and
the
window
started
out
as
just
no
finish:
nobody
or
and
no
stucco
until
the
60s
okay.
So
we
were
gonna,
we
were
proposing
to
start
there
and
do
all
the
primary
facades
with
the
wood
windows
in
the
same
size
and
reopened
that
historic
opening
on
the
west.
That
was
the
picture
window
right.
A
And
the
other
windows
on
the
non-primary
facades
of
the
original
existing
structure.
What
what
will
those
be
those.
R
Bronze
color
in
on
the
north,
where
you
you,
don't
you
don't
see
from
the
street
and
on
the
non-primary
facade
and
then
on
the
new
building.
Those
would
also
be
the
same.
The.
R
A
Right
and
I
think
I
agree
with
that
with
respect
to
the
new
South
Edition,
but
on
the
on
the
original
existing
structure,
I
think
that
the
windows,
typically
they
match
within
on
a
on
a
single
building,
even
if
they
aren't
replaced
and
kind
on
the
non-primary
facades
I
think
they
should
be
all
throughout.
R
A
Similar
to
what
you're
doing
on
the
primary
facades,
and
can
you
explain
what
the
stucco
colors
are.
R
Stucco
color
is
on
the
package,
but
it
it's
the
same.
Colors
the
mud,
the
original
mud
of
the
Adobe.
That's
all
we're
trying
to
do
is
get
it
to
it's.
Just
a
it's,
just
a
warm
Brown
kind
of
a
greeny
brown
and
that's
really
with
the
mud
inside
the
structure
is
so
we're
trying
to
take
it
back
to
that
on.
A
That's
certainly
one
approach:
I
I
had
I
think
that
the
structure,
the
color
of
the
stucco,
the
orangey
color,
is
quite
an
old
school
stucco
color
and
that's
kind
of
Disappearing.
It's
not
really
a
color
people
go
to
for
certainly
new
construction
or
Renovations,
but
I
think
that's
kind
of
special
and
I
had
pointed
to
the
at
the
last
meeting.
I
still
hold
that
to
be
true.
A
I
think
this
property
might
lend
itself
to.
You
know
two
different
colors
of
Stucco
on
the
two
structures.
R
H
R
A
Yeah
and
then
my
last
question
is
with
respect
to
the
vigas
I.
Think
I
just
understood
you
to
say
that
you
were
taking
the
Vega
ends
from
the
north
facade
and
moving
those
up.
Oh.
R
Portion
of
the
building
and
right
now
it's
a
combination
of
a
shed
and
vegans
below,
but
we
were
taking
it
to
a
parapet
and
it
was
an
open
question
whether
we
want
those
vegans
to
be
exposed
or
not.
It
causes
kind
of
a
weather
problem
in
the
on
the
north
end
of
that
new
section,
but
that
we're
still
reusing
the
vigas.
So
we
could
do
that.
Does.
A
A
R
A
R
F
F
A
master
chair
totally
fine
that
was
inevitable.
Wasn't
it
so
yeah
I
guess
I
should
get
clarification
on
the
Windows
too,
because
I
wasn't
clear
when
I
was
looking
at
the
package.
So
just
forgive
me
for
having
to
go
through
this,
but
if
you
could
just
clarify
so
we've
got
the
South
primary
facade,
yep
those
windows
you're,
replacing
all
right.
Yes
and
what's
their
history
and
condition.
R
There's
a
report
in
the
history
and
condition
it
was
recommended
that
we
replace
the
windows.
Okay,
there
are
more
than
78
melted
and
then
on
the
west
side
we
have
that
historic
opening,
and
so
we
would
they
and
it
it
happens
to
be
the
same
height
as
the
other
windows
in
the
sitting
room
and
we're
keeping
that
in
the
same
place.
So
you
know
it
would
it
would
respond?
R
F
F
K
R
F
This
is
the
motion
which
would
be
that
in
case
2022-005463,
hdrb
220,
Rodriguez
Street
that
the
replacement,
rather
that
the
renovations,
as
proposed
on
the
north
side
of
the
house,
be
approved
that
the
window
replacements
be
approved,
though
the
north
side
should
match
the
other
windows
and
but
that
the
remaining
oh,
and
also
that
the
North
Side
Edition
approval
be
conditioned
on
the
steel
overhang
Beam
made
of
wood
and
or
galvanized
metal
rather
than
steel
and
the
rest
of
the
application.
F
I
would
deny,
on
the
basis
that
the
three
exception
criteria
have
not
been
met
and
further
that
this
addition
would
result
in
a
downgrade
to
a
non-contributing
status
and
therefore
is
to
be
denied
by
the
board.
B
E
You
chair,
Guida
may
I
propose
a
friendly
Amendment.
Currently
the
drawings
show
the
vigas
on
both
the
North
and
South
end
of
the
house
being
removed.
I
would
like
to
include
that
the
vigas
on
the
North
End
be
brought
up
as
the
applicant
states
that
she
was
willing
to
do
and
that
the
exposed
Vega
ends
on
the
south
be
preserved
and
not
covered
up.
B
A
Point
of
discussion:
can
we
just
get
clarification?
I
believe
there's
two
exceptions
rather
than
three:
is
that
right,
Heather.
A
Q
You,
yes,
I,
believe
it
has
to
be
on
the
record
whether
the
board
member
who
seconded
the
motion,
also
accepts
the
friendly
amendment
by
member
B
chain.
D
R
Yeah,
my
first
question
is
just
we
had
the
engineers
come
out
and
and
Bobby
Padilla,
to
say
to
look
at
those
two
and
assess
the
damage
on
the
South
Base,
which
is
the
South.
You
probably
were
watching
it.
When
you
were
there,
the
South
West
portion
of
the
building
from
window
to
window
has
to
be
repaired
and
all
the
parapets
and
then
on
the
North.
It's
same
thing
puttings
and
everything,
but.
G
B
O
B
O
A
quick
procedural
question
with
respect
to
the
current
interpretation
about
exceptions.
You
make
recommendations
only
or
do
you,
and
so
the
application
then
goes
to
the
Council
on
your
recommendation.
To
do
what
you
said
with
the
recommendation
of
denial.
Is
that
the
way
this
is
going?
Thank.
F
G
Well,
Champion
venu,
with
reference
I,
mean
sure
Guida,
remember
Bienvenu.
It
was
reference
to
it
being
denial.
It's
only
denial
pieces
of
the
application,
so
it
would
be
a
conditional
approval.
O
Q
Think
I
can
answer
this.
Heather
no
exceptions
applied
to
the
north
side.
All
the
exceptions
applied
only
to
the
addition
on
the
south
side
right
is
that
correct,
okay,
I
think
it
would
be
an
appeal
of
the
H
board's
decision,
the
fact
that
they
denied
as
I
read
the
code.
The
H
board
has
the
final
word
in
denying
the
exceptions.
Q
B
O
I
understand
where
you
are
at
on
that
subject
matter:
I
think
that
I'll
work
it
out
with
them
how
it
gets
put
up,
but
I.
We
understand
the
decision,
and
the
only
last
thing,
I
would
add,
is
I.
O
Think
that
one
of
the
things
that
this
case
points
out
for
me
having
lived
here
a
long
time
is,
is
we
look
at
properties
that
have
a
contributing
status
and
part
of
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
Preservation
and
a
lot
of
these
properties
that
have
contributing
status
are
falling
into
disrepair
because
people
are
not
going
to
make
the
investment
I
know
that
that
commissioner
or
Council
the
member
Medrano
said
well,
you
can't
buy
a
house
and
and
not
know
it
up
front
that
that's
true
much
of
the
time.
O
It
is
not
true
all
of
the
time,
and
it's
really
not
true
with
historic
houses
when
you
get
into
them.
This
house
is
falling
apart
in
very
serious
ways,
that's
hard
to
know
up
front,
maybe
maybe
a
little
more
diligent,
but
it
happens.
A
lot
I
I'm
concerned
that
that
that's
what
happens
to
a
lot
of
properties
that
are
on
this
cusp
they're
contributing
they're,
not
unique,
they're,
not
significant
for
sure
they've
changed
a
lot
over
time
and
investing
in
them
is
a
difficult
thing,
and
this
is
one
of
those
properties.
O
I
just
say
that,
because
I
think
it's
important
as
as
you
all
go
forward.
Thank.
B
You
Carl,
okay,
we're
gonna
move
on
to
the
next
case.
Next
case
is
50
Mount,
Carmel
Road.
This
is
under
old
business
Heather.
This
is
your
case.
G
Sure
there
is
a
concern.
Yes,
so
with
reference
to
this
particular
case,
it
was
unexpected
that
Cecilia,
Rios
and
Jennifer
Berkeley
would
be
out
so
I
didn't
think
about
this,
but
with
the
recusal
of
board
van
bragular
Medrano,
we
did
not
have
a
quorum,
so
I
don't
know.
If
Frank
you
want
to
go
into
detail
as
to
what
would
certainly
you
know,
it's
always
a
board
member's
best
judgment,
but
I,
don't
think
there's
any
Financial.
O
Q
Q
Q
E
You
attorney
rubaleid
the
two
criteria
you
stated
I,
don't
believe
apply.
However,
this
application
is
being
brought
forth
in
part
by
The
Firm,
that
I
work
for
and
I
think
I
would
be
uncomfortable
in
providing
a
vote
on
the
case,
although
I
hate
for
the
applicants
to
have
to
wait
until
the
next
hearing.
I
also
wasn't
aware
that
we
would
have
some
members
missing
tonight
so
because
it's
based
on
my
employment
I
would
almost
say
that
there
is
some
Financial
related
conflict
of
interest.
There.
H
J
B
Thank
you.
Okay,
on
to
new
business
case
next
case
is
1122
East
Alameda
street
Angela.
This
is
your
case.
We
have
your
presentation.
Please
is.
G
This
case
is
case
number
2023
6285
and
it's
located
at
1122
East
Alamos
media
Street,
which
is
next
to
the
Patrick
Smith
Park
on
the
east
side.
So
it
is
south
of
the
Santa
Fe
River,
Alameda,
Corridor
and
adjacent
to
the
site
is
a
Anastacia
that
runs
to
the
south
of
this
particular
building.
You
want
to
go
ahead
and
sure
out
of
college.
N
So
Heather
got
as
far
as
showing
you
the
vicinity
map
in
terms
of
its
location,
nearest
Patrick,
Smith
park
off
of
East
Alameda,
almost
where
it
becomes.
N
Oh
sorry,
it's
located
towards
the
end
where
the
East,
Alameda
and
and
Canyon
merch,
so
the
subject-
property
I'm
gonna
next
slide.
Please
is
here.
This
is
the
view
on
the
left
from
East
Alameda.
The
subject
of
this
case
is
the
Casita
which
you
see
behind
the
wall
and
the
Casita
is
adjacent
to
the
main
house
on
the
right
and
that's
the
perspective
that
you
see.
So
this
is
right
along
the
entrance
to
Patrick
Smith
Park,
where
it
curves
around
and
often
yeah
parking
is
tight
there.
N
So
the
main
house
is
3150
square
feet
and
there's
that
detached
426
square
foot
Casita
with
the
portal,
which
is
the
subject
of
tonight's
case
and
a
2003
excuse
me.
M
N
Square
foot,
storage,
buildings,
if
you
could
Advance
the
next
slide
Locate-
and
this
is
all
located
in
the
downtown
and
East
Side
historic
district.
The
main
house
is
predominantly
Pueblo
Spanish
Revival
style
has
rounded
pear
pits
and
flat
roofed
masses,
and
it
also
features
some
territorial
Revival,
Style
Elements,
such
as
white
wood
trim,
impediment
based
on
previous
1990s
cases.
The
property
structure
structures
are
non-contributing
to
the
downtown
and
East
Side
historic
district.
So
the
one
room,
Adobe
Casita,
sits
to
the
east
of
the
main
house
and
south
of
the
storage
shed.
N
It
features
a
flat
roof
and
rounded
corners
and
has
a
Ramada
turned
portal,
with
a
sloped
metal,
corrugated
roof
on
its
North
and
tree
elevations.
So
as
you're
looking
at
the
floor
plan
here,
it's
really
more
of
a
site
plan.
It
is
the
site
plan,
the
existing's
on
the
left
and
the
proposes
on
the
right.
N
The
changes
to
the
detached
building
in
the
Southeast
Corner
shows
the
Casita
as
it
exists
kind
of
square
and,
as
the
proposed
is
with
an
addition
on
that
west
elevation
elevation,
the
Casitas
burned
into
the
site,
as
it
slopes
upward
to
the
South
Rock
retaining
wall
of
the
asekia
Madre
that
runs
east
to
west
along
the
property
line.
Could
you
advance
I
think
it
might
show?
N
There's
photos
about
this
later?
The
board
approved
the
two
ramadas
one
on
the
Casita
Casitas
North
elevation
and
one
on
the
main
house
back
in
1997
at
some
point,
but
not
documented.
The
Casitas
Ramada
was
roofed
over
with
some
additional
wood
beams
and
a
sloped
corrugated
metal
roof.
Probably
at
the
same
time,
all
the
windows
were
replaced
on
the
Casita.
There's
no
records
for
this.
The
Casitas
Ramada,
which
is
now
portal,
features
a
split.
Well,
it's
a
dual
trunk
of
a
tall,
mature
cottonwood
tree
that
penetrates
the
middle
of
the
portals
metal
roof.
N
The
Casita
sits
behind
the
storage
shed
to
its
South
and
considerably
east
of
the
main
house.
The
Casitas
tucked
way
back
into
the
lot
and
not
publicly
visible,
that
storage
shed
sits
to
the
north.
It's
it's
built
dates,
unknown
as
well.
The
side
of
butts
the
street
entry
into
the
Patrick
Smith
Park
from
my
East
Alameda.
It
features
a
low
Riverwalk
wall
with
a
five
feet,
six
inch
or
five
to
six
feet:
stucco
yard
wall
extension
on
top
it
extends
and
curves
from
its
North
to
its
west
elevation.
N
Again,
the
structures
are
barely
publicly
visible
behind
the
tall
yard,
wall
and
gate.
So,
as
mentioned,
the
subject
of
this
case
is
the
Casita.
If
you
could
go
to
the
next
slide,
please
there's
no
changes
proposed
to
the
main
house
or
the
storage
unit
or
or
the
wall
on
the
property.
So
this
is
the
north
elevation
of
the
Casita
above
is
the
existing
simple
shows
one
door,
one
window
and
a
portal
as
it
exists,
with
the
with
a
slightly
sloped
roof,
and
the
bottom
is
the
addition
that's
proposed
for
it's
about.
N
Excuse
me:
that's
that's
the
portal.
The
the
metal
portal
is
going
to
be
replaced
with
a
flat
Brown,
Bry
roof,
and
the
portal
depth
is
going
to
be
decreased
from
12
feet
to
six
feet.
So
it'll
be
half
that
that
depth.
The
new
portal
will
have
a
new
wood
facial
with
dentals
and
new
eight
by
eight
white
wood
columns,
squared
columns
in
place
of
the
existing
wood
posts
with
wood
trim
at
the
base
and
the
top
of
the
existing
portal.
N
The
existing
roof
framing
will
remain
and
the
new
the
new
trees,
Will
Survive
the
chains
remaining
in
place.
I
guess
those
aren't
on
this
elevation.
The
Proposal,
is
to
add
a
280
foot
square
foot
room
Barefoot
room
onto
the
west
elevation.
If
you
could
go
to
the
west
elevation
I
believe
that's
the
next
slide.
N
We
could
go
to
the
West
one
more!
Thank
you
that
is,
that
is
where
the
addition
is
being
proposed
and
it
will
have
a
flat
roof
and
parapet
with
white
territorial
style.
Wood
trim
at
the
doors
and
windows
and
the
new
window
will
be
a
pair
of
two
over
two
divided
light.
Casements
existing
West
portion
of
the
Ramada
there
will
be
removed
and
that
returns
the.
If
you
could
go
to
the
back
to
the
north
elevation.
Please.
N
Existing
doors,
so
that
will
be
replaced
and
two
new
windows
will
replace
the
it's
not
showing
the
second
window
on
that
existing
North
elevation,
but
there'll
be
two
new
windows.
These
will
be
white
metal,
clad
with
divided
lights
and
then
the
remaining
three
existing
Windows,
the
green
metal,
clad
simulated,
divided
light
with
new
windows
to
match
will
be
to
match
the
north
elevations
they'll
install
new
wood
trim
at
the
new
exterior
door
and
all
windows
also
to
be
painted
white
and
they
will
re-stucco
with
Stow
color
San
Antonio.
N
You
could
Advance
the
slides
these
there's
no.
So
this
is
the
South
elevation
that.
N
And
the
aseki
is
to
the
left
to
the
South
and
is
about
five
feet
or
six
feet
from
that
building
wall
and
in
terms
of
yeah
Madres
review
or
of
this
that
was
secured
by
the
applicant
and
it's
in
your
packet
picture
next
slide,
please:
okay,
I'm!
Sorry,
that's
the
existing
East
Elevation,
which
shows
the
slope
better
and
that
window
will
be
replaced.
You'll
see
the
new.
N
You
see
the
new
portal
shortened
or
you
know,
used
in
depth
below
and
there's
no
changes
to
the
South
elevation.
B
Oh
I
think
we've
got
it.
Okay,
thank
you
for
the
therapy
station
Angela,
the
just
one
question
about
public
visibility.
What
is
the
public
visibility
of
this
project?
Well,.
N
B
N
Okay
and
yeah
I
mean
that's
its
public
visibility
and
if
you
could
go
to
Morse
pictures,
it'll
give
you
guys
a
better
feel
for
this.
B
Thank
you
Angela
questions
for
Angela
from
the
board
before
we
go
to
the
applicant
okay.
If.
N
I
may
yes,
staff
recommends
approval
finding
that
it
needs
the
standards
for
the
downtown
in
east
side,
as
well
as
the
general
design
standards
for
all
the
H
districts.
Great.
B
F
F
Thank
you
and
I
can
see
why
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
we
weren't
proceeding
hastily
without
a
status
designation.
K
F
K
N
Sort
of
advanced,
Advanced
slides,
so
you
can
see
the
structure
it's
more
of
the
structure
so
so
below
is
where
the
that's
the
west
side,
where
the
addition
is
proposed,
and
it
will
well
so
that's
where
it
is
that's
in
the
back
is
the
South
corner
and
the
asekia
wall
is,
is
visible
in
that
picture
to
the
right.
C
E
You
chair,
Guida
I,
was
on
the
site
visit
today
and
you
have
a
beautiful
property,
I've,
actually
I've,
driven
by
it
many
times
and
and
hadn't
noticed
it,
but
the
snow
made
it
quite
magical
in
your
courtyard,
so
it
was
fun
to
visit
it
and
thank
you
for
having
a
path
shoveled
for
us
one
question
I
have
for
you.
We
noticed
on
the
site
visit
today
that
the
windows
are
snap
in
place
month
ends
on
the
interior
side.
Are
the
new
windows
going
to
be
true,
divided
lights?
Yes,.
E
Okay,
perfect
and
then
the
only
other
thing
I
wanted
to
bring
up.
I
know
you
are
preserving
the
cotton
Woods,
which
is
appreciated.
There
is
a
very
large
evergreen
tree
to
the
right
of
this
photo
that
staff
told
us
was
considered
significant,
and
my
only
concern
is
that
the
perimeter
of
the
new
addition,
I
strongly
believe,
would
cause
that
tree
to
die
as
it
is.
It
wouldn't
be
immediate,
you
know
it
may
take
a
year
or
so,
but
I
I
think
the
extent
that
the
roots
would
be
cut.
E
E
It
would
be
ideal
if
the
City
Arborist
could
consult
on
this
and
provide
a
recommendation
regarding
what
is
the
farthest
extent.
The
addition
could
be
built
without
damaging
the
tree.
Typically,
you
never
want
to
go
anything
into
the
outer
diameter
of
the
crown
of
the
tree
before
it
can
cause
significant
damage.
S
E
E
G
Sure
board
member
Angela
Medrano
so
with
reference
to
significant
trees.
I,
don't
know
if
this
species
is
what
counts.
You
know.
Certainly
deciduous.
Trees
like
the
cottonwoods
are
are
important,
but
I.
Don't
know
that
Jennifer
is,
is
something
that's
excluded.
I
mean
it's.
It's
sizable,
that's
for
sure.
So
yeah
one
quick
question
for
the
applicant:
there
were
Stakes
that
were
staked
out
on
the
site
today
when
we
saw
it
are
those
Stakes.
S
That's
kind
of
like
what
we
believe
to
be
the
location
of
the
farthest
wall
right,
okay,
thank
you
and
the
only
other.
So
just
so,
you
know
the
only
other
plant
that
that
I
have
any
concerns
about.
There's
a
shrub,
that's
right
up
next
to
the
edge
of
the
Sakia
on
this,
and
it's
on
the
Steep
part
of
the
slope
and
I
I
do
have
concerns
about
whether
or
not
that
would
survive.
But
I
have
no
concerns
about
the
Juniper.
It
will
be
fine.
E
Okay
yeah,
my
mistake:
I
should
have
taken
a
closer
look
at
the
species
while
it's
out
there,
if
it
is
a
juniper
I,
will
pull
back
my
comments,
although
I
do
think
it's
beautiful
and
it
would
be
nice
to
keep
it.
E
B
B
B
P
Thank
you
just
John
Eddie
again,
I
just
wanted
to
say,
although
I
bemoan
the
loss
of
the
vernacular
in
this
spot
in
this
part
of
the
streetscape
I,
do
really
commend
the
architect
or
a
beautiful
design
here
and
I.
Think
it's
going
to
be
a
really
nice
upgrade
aesthetically
on
the
streetscape.
Thank
you
very
much.
H
About
7601,
Santa,
Fe,
New,
Mexico
I
do
think
it's
a
really
nice
project.
I
think
it
captures
the.
H
A
streetscape
well
and
I
think
it
would
be
an
improvement
I
just
don't
under
and
then
maybe
the
applicant
or
Heather
can
answer
this.
But
what
facade
are
we
looking
at?
There
is
that
West
facade
that
is
facing
that
wall
and
that's
the
one
that's
going
to
be
most
visible
and
I
I
just
am
curious
about
that,
so
that
when
we
could
look,
if
we
could
look
at
those.
K
B
F
Did
you
want
to
I'm
halfway
through
so
go
ahead
case
number
202200-5463,
hdrb
and
220?
Oh
no!
He's
number
twenty
twenty
three
zero
zero!
Six:
two
eight
five
hdrb
1122
East
Alameda
I've,
moved
that
the
project
be
approved
as
submitted.
C
B
Good
luck
with
your
project:
okay,
final
case
of
the
night:
this
is
Chuck
350,
Hillside
Avenue
downtown
in
East,
Side,
historic
district
Heather.
This
is
your
case.
G
All
right,
so
last
but
not
least,
this
application
is
for
an
edition
of
to
the
south
and
east
elevations
and
is
the
building
is
non-contributing
actually
not
status
because
it
was
built
in
the
1990s
and
is
located
in
the
downtown
and
East
Side
historic
district.
The
site
is
located
off
of
Hillside
a
little
bit.
There's
a
drive,
a
long
drive
that
that
serves
about
three
or
four
buildings.
If
I
recall
correctly,
and
then,
if
you
might
recall
in
a
previous
case,
was
346
Hillside,
which
the
arrow
of
the
roof
goes
to.
G
G
So,
as
this
house
was
built
in
the
1990s,
it
does
not
have
a
contributing
status.
The
windows
on
the
house
were
replaced
in
2020
and
the
one-story
Edition
will
match
the
existing
powerput
height
and
it
will
be
serving
as
an
accessory
dwelling
units.
The
sideline
illustrates
here:
the
driveway
is
located
to
the
east
of
the
house.
This
is
the
main
entryway
and
garage
into
the
house
and,
as
we
conducted
the
site
visit
today,
walking
from
The
Pedestrian
gate
to
the
South
is
where
this
this
Edition
will
be
located.
G
G
Divided
light
windows
are
proposed,
which
is
consistent
with
downtown
and
East
Side
design
standards,
as
well
as
the
openings
have
been
set
off
and
the
finishes
will
be
to
match
the
existing
residents
and
those
details
are
provided
in
your
packets
as
well,
and
so
these
are
the
South
and
the
West
elevations,
and
once
again
the
South
would
be
sort
of
that
around
the
corner
is
the
courtyard
for
the
principal
residence
and
then
the
west
elevation
sort
of
face
into
that
courtyard
of
the
principal
residence
and.
G
B
You
heather
board
members
questions
for
Heather
for
clarity.
C
D
Record
Natasha
Roberto
114,
Camino,
De,
Las,
Cruces,
Santa,
Fe,
New,
Mexico,
87501
I
just
want
to
thank
you
for
it
for
your
time
and
thank
you
so
much
Heather
for
your
efforts
on
this
project.
I'm
just
here
to
answer
questions
thank.
F
You
chair
Guida,
just
a
couple
questions.
It's
very
simple:
a
nice
project
I
wasn't
clear
on
what
the
materials
were
for
the
portal.
D
It's
to
match
the
existing
portal,
so
just
would
would
frame
construction,
okay
and
you
can
see
I'm,
not
sure.
What's
in
the
presentation,
there
should
be
photos.
The
primary
entrance
yep.
F
And
it's
it's
to
match
that
portal
right
there
right
and
then
I
understand
it's
a
prefab.
Maybe
that's
not
the
right
word,
but
it's
a
prefabricated
building.
But
do
you
intend
I
believe
you
do
intend,
but
just
to
confirm
that
the
corners
will
be
rounded
consistent
with
the
corners
on
the
main
house,
correct.
F
B
Any
other
questions
from
the
board.
We
will
take
it
to
public
comments,
any
members
of
the
public
in
the
room
wishing
to
speak
any
members
of
the
public
online
wishing
to
speak.
Okay,
that
comes
back
to
the
board,
then
for
a
motion.
A
B
E
C
B
So
we
have
a
motion.
We
have
a
second
with
a
prevent
it
with
our
additional
comments.
F
B
Secondary
of
the
motion:
do
you
agree
to
that
too?
Yes,
I
do
okay!
Thank
you.
Let's
do
a
roll
call
vote.
Please.
C
B
B
We
are
done
with
cases
any
discussion
items
from
staff.
G
I
just
have
one
announcement
and
the
computer's
taking
a
very
long
time,
so
I
was
trying
to
get
the
answer
to
that
question,
but
one
announcement
asked
you
tomorrow:
the
city
is
closed.
Until
10
pm
there's
going
to
be
a
delay,
I
guess
because
of
the
roadway
condition
of
roadways.
There
are
a
couple
board
members
that
will
be
participating
in
the
morning
with
reference
to
the
zoning
code
update,
and
that
starts
at
eight
o'clock,
and
we,
the
project
team,
will
be
here
so
we'll
proceed
with
that
at
eight
o'clock.
Sharp
and.
G
Right,
yes,
okay,
10
a.m!
Thank
you
so,
eight
to
ten,
the
city
hall,
it's
officially
closed,
but
for
the
zoning
code
update
project
team
that
we
will
be
here
to
discuss
that
great
great
and
if
you
don't
feel
comfortable
driving,
there's
a
hybrid
option,
so
you
can
feel
free
to
join
that
way.
Wonderful.
B
Thank
you,
heather
Madison,
the
board.
B
Okay,
our
next
meeting
is
Tuesday
February
28
2023.
Q
Chair
I
should
report
back
to
the
governing
body
that,
with
respect
to
the
appeal
on
the
combination,
stucco
yard
wall
fence
at
330,
Don
cabeiro,
which
was
the
Reconstruction
of
which
was
denied
by
the
board
last
year,
I
believe
there
was
a
age
board
meeting
in
May
at
which
that
was
denied
the
governing
body
overturned
the
historic
district
review
board
and
approved
the
Reconstruction
of
the
of
the
latia
topper
on
the
stucco
yard
wall.
At
that
location,
that's
in
the
Don
Gaspar.
P
B
Thank
you
for
the
update
motion
to
adjourn.
Please.
B
C
C
Member
aguilad
Medrano,
yes,
member
Beachside,
yes,
member
of
the
Avenue
yes
motion
has
been
approved.
Wonderful.