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Second,
a
motion
for
approval
is
amended
by
counsel
yo
coppler,
a
second,
my
counselor,
Garcia
and
I
believe
there
were
canceled
in
de
land.
The
helicopter
that
wanted
a
cosa
an
item
are.
Is
that
correct?
Yes,
mr.
chair,
thank
you
very
good.
Thank
you
all
right,
so
we
have
a
motion
and
a
second
any
further
discussion.
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I
Then
it
has
three
change:
orders
that
are
or
explicit
and
I'm
one
I
just
wondered:
how
mean
is,
it
seems
like
some
of
these
items
could
have
been,
and
maybe
they
weren't
anticipated,
but
I
think
it's
important
to
dig
deeper
into
the
wastewater
plant
and
what's
really
happening
over
there,
because
all
of
the
issues
that
we
have
coming
to
the
forefront,
including
our
last
agenda,
item
today
and
I,
just
want
to
staff
to
speak
a
bit
to
this
because
it
seems
like
it
seems
like
many.
Yes,
many
of
these
change
orders
are
coming
up.
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You
know
for
staff
to
be
do
that.
One
specific
change
order
that
I
would
like
to
speak
to
exchange
order.
Number
two
I
know
it's
been
a
while,
but
as
part
of
the
original
project,
the
facility
was
originally
piped
for
three
Bell
presses.
Only
two
were
installed
was
originally
on
the
composting
project,
and
so,
as
part
of
the
digester
project.
We
were
installing
the
third
and
final
Bell
press
as
those
bids,
and
we
were
dealing
with
the
manufacturer,
the
Bell
press.
It
was
our
intention
even
identified
in
our
CIP.
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So
we
did
come
for
the
governing
body
and
asked
for
change
order
to
I
think
it
was
really
an
opportunity
in
the
timing
we
had
a
contractor
was
mobilized
and
a
manufacturer
who
was
given
us
a
discount
to
a
building
about
press
to
go
with
two,
which
is
something
that
we
have
had
to
do
in
the
next
couple
of
years.
So
that's
what
trigger
change
order?
Number
two.
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Some
of
the
other
change
orders
I,
know
we're
time-sensitive.
Where
was
adding
time
to
the
project,
this
change
order
I
know,
has
several
components
that
are
included
in
there
and,
if
I
could
I
would.
Rather,
if
it's
specifics
about
the
items
and
the
change
order
for
I
would
like
to
defer
to
the
project
manager
as
they
could
probably
speak,
more
intelligent
about
the
actual
items.
J
Thank
You
Shannon
good
evening,
mr.
chairman
councilor
I,
see
that
you
did
manage
to
find
the
second
page
of
the
memo,
which
is
the
one
that
was
on
page
16
in
the
packet
that
got
shuffled
to
the
back
somehow.
But
that's
really
the
description
on
that
page.
That
talks
about
the
past
change
orders
one
two
and
three,
and
then
it
gives
more
description
about
the
one.
That's
that's
here.
J
J
I
It's
interesting
to
find
the
second
page
of
the
memo
on
page
16.
So
when
you
have
that
kind
of
disorganization,
you
kind
of
wonder,
what's
something
so
simple:
what
about
everything
else,
so
that
kind
of
led
me
to
my
question-
and
this
is
a
very
expensive
contract
and
yeah.
It
seems
like
we
are.
You
know
two
steps
forward.
A
Mr.
chair
councillors,
these
are
change
orders
to
the
Bell
press
and
to
the
digester
project.
We've
been
having
to
troubleshoot
the
filters
and
the
UV
disinfection
and
we've
we've
come
across
a
few
things
that
we've
we've
caught.
So
it
is
improving.
We
are
making
changes
to
the
system
to
better.
You
know
to
improve
the
quality
of
the
water
I'm
going
out.
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The
startup
will
be
complete
in
July,
we're
going
to
then
put
the
code.
Yet
aside.
We
still
don't
have
the
connection
approved
with
p.m.
they
have
a
very,
very
long
application
and
review
time
and
we're
still
working
with
them
on
that,
and
there
will
be
some
changes.
Some
construction
changes
that
we'll
have
to
make
to
our
primary
electric
system
so
that
the
code
gen
will
operate
to
the
most
efficient
stage
possible,
but
that
will
occur
over
the
next
couple
months.
J
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J
Counselor,
that's
that's
true,
and
what
that
includes
a
number
of
things
that
were
unanticipated
in
the
original
bid.
We
do
have
a
contingency
and
here
to
handle
things
like
this,
for
example,
the
digester
foaming
and
miscellaneous
tools
and
testing
that
we
needed
to
be
able
to
do
on-site
to
make
sure
that
the
digesters
were
starting
up
properly
without
going
to
a
laboratory
outside
that
all
worked.
Fine,
but
those
are.
We
had
deformer
costs.
J
We
had
several
orders
of
de
foamer
that
really
complex
down,
but
it
took
a
while,
as
you
know,
it's
it's
a
biological
system.
The
detention
time
in
our
digesters
is
about
20
days,
and
so
once
we
start
making
a
change
it's
actually
a
month
or
two
before
we
start
to
see
the
positive
benefit
of
that
change
and
we're
there.
Now
we
haven't
had
foaming
problems
in
a
month,
and
things
have
really
calmed
down
nicely
on
the
digester
side
of
things.
I.
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Yes,
definitely
it's
a
very
good
question:
we're
not
I
guess
spending.
Another
250,000
were
transferring
it
over.
That
money
was
originally
intended
for
Swan
Park,
Swan
Park,
sorry,
nobody
was
$509,000
and
what
that
599
was
gonna
get
us
was
only
design
of
a
lot
of
improvements,
design
of
a
concession
stand
area
bathrooms
a
roadway
and
what
we
thought
we
better
use
of
that,
at
least
for
the
time
being,
is
to
do
some
low-hanging
fruit,
and
so
we
reduced
the
scope
in
Swan
Park
to
only
include.
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Mr.
chairman
country,
beta,
yes,
I,
just
wanted
to
I'm
certain
doubt
for
bringing
this
issue
up
regarding
Swan
Park
counselor,
both
the
chairman
and
I,
have
met
several
times
over
the
past,
probably
18
months
now,
with
residents
in
district
3
that
utilize
Swan
Park.
The
changes
in
the
design
is
consistent
with
what
we've
discussed
and
our
thinking
with
mr.
Romero
was,
since
we
have
enough
to
get
us
with
a
second
phase
design,
but
not
enough
to
do
much
more
than
that.
F
We
thought
that
we
would
go
ahead
and
support
the
design
chain
this
time
and
then,
instead
of
just
having
the
remaining
money,
just
sit
there
until
we
had
enough
to
do
something
else.
That
was
substantial.
We
were
okay
with
it
being
moved
for
this
other
purpose,
but
again
thank
you
for
bringing
that
up.
Thank
You
councillor
Thank
You,
mr.
chairman
Thank,.
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All
right,
maybe
not
but
I,
think
cancer
Lyndell
is
correct.
There
was
a
an
assessment
done
and
I
think
there
was
a
pitch
made
for
that.
If
we
could
upgrade
our
sprinkler
system
that
we
could
save
a
substantial
amount
of
water
and
I
think
that
was
what
our
legislative
delegation
was
extremely
interested
in.
So
it
would
be
great
to
have
that
question
answered
so
Thank
You
councillor
now
in.
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Bill
are
you
on
I
am
on.
Excuse
me,
counselor.
Mr.
chairman,
by
my
I
was
looking
for
my
tracking
sheet.
The
you
know
for
this
year
was
actually
1.6
million
change.
The
initial
peel
was
1.08
million,
and
that's
why
we
had
asked
for
the
1.6
million
for
the
next
year.
We
have
a
major
piping
project,
that's
going
to
take
year
and
three
quarters
to
two
years
of
funding
to
be
able
to
get
done.
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L
Thank
You
mr.
chair
councilman
Dell.
We
are
working
with
our
subcontractors
subsurface
to
see
where
we
can
save
money
they
have
had
raises
in
their
cost
of
doing
business
for
materials
over
the
last
two
years
that
have
not
been
reflected
in
the
contract.
I
do
not
know
yet
how
much
give
we
can
find,
but
I
will
definitely
investigate
it.
L
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H
Are
we
trying
to
modify
this
software
to
meet
some
criteria,
special
that
we're
asking
for,
or
is
there
a
possibility
that
if
we
are,
could
we
not
find
a
way
to
use
this
off
the
shelf
and
modify
what
we're
doing
it
just
seems
like
this.
Contract
has
gone
on
forever
and
the
second
part
of
that
is:
do
we
have
any
ability
to
continue
with
where
we
are
right
now
and
not
spend
this
money
for
another
year?.
M
M
What
this
amendment
is
back
in
2013,
that
version
3
did
not
address
or
was
not
capable
of
billing,
mainly
the
refuse
attraction,
the
recycling,
to
the
extent
that
the
city
charges
with
different
sized
dumpsters
and
roll
offs
and
recycling
bins-
and
you
know
the
curbside
service
so
that
that
was
a
hiccup
that
happened
with
the
initial
contract
for
advanced
in
several
obvious
ly
years.
Going
forward
advanced
has
moved
to
their
version
4.
M
We
do
believe
at
this
point
that
it
will
now
be
able
to
bill
with
very
little
modifications
for
all
of
the
water,
obviously
the
the
trash
which
was
kind
of
the
hiccup
back
in
2013
and
14,
with
as
little
modification
as
possible,
so
that
it
works
for
the
city
of
Santa
Fe.
We
get
what
we
need
and
then,
of
course
we
don't
have
to
modify
advanced
billing
system,
which
is
where
kind
of
the
hiccups
were
happening.
The
second
question
to
continue
with
way
where
we
are
at
right
now
with
the
as/400
and
our
billing
system.
M
If
we
push
this
potentially
another
year,
I
would
be
very
leery
about
pushing
the
current
s400
system.
My
understanding
is,
if
it
does
fail
at
any
time
there
is
no
backup
it's
not
like.
We
can
do
an
upgrade
to
a
s400
kind
of
like
a
Windows
7
versus
a
Windows
10.
There
is
not
any
support
out
there
for
the
as400.
Any
longer
so
I
would
be.
I
would
be
very,
very
leery
about
trying
to
push
this
system.
It's
really
it's
a
20.
You
know
19
to
21
year
old
system.
M
Right
now
we
are
having
just
a
couple
of
struggles
with
Billie
and
every
Thursday.
There
always
seems
to
be
some
kind
of
new
issue
that
we
have
to
address
on
those
Thursday
bills
so
that
we
can
get
the
bills
out
correctly
in
time
so
that
everybody
does
have
it.
You
know
when
it's
required
so
I
know
it's
a
huge
dollar
amount
to
be
asking
for
in
this
critical
kind
of
crazy
time,
but
I
would
really
I.
M
M
This
implementation
would
be
a
14
month,
implementation,
basically
12
months,
to
get
the
system
up
and
running.
You
know
double
billing,
not
double
billing,
but
making
sure
that
the
bills
are
going
out
correctly
in
the
old
system
versus
the
new
system.
So
that
would
be
about
twelve
months
and
then
two
months
of
I
guess
what
you
could
say
to
try
and
try
and
break
the
system
before
then.
We
are
just
turned
over
to
kind
of
the
advanced
helpdesk,
so
we
would
have
individuals,
basically
on-site
or
at
our
beck
and
call
or
14
months,.
M
With
the
antiquated
system
that
we
have
currently
I
would
absolutely
say,
definitely
not
I
would
say
six
months
to
make
sure
that
we
first
of
all
understand
and
that
the
system
can
build
correctly.
I
would
say
that
next,
two
or
three
months
would
be
to
challenge
the
system
and
try
and
break
it
and
say:
okay.
M
Now
we
have
this
new
account
and
to
set
this
up
and
to
make
sure
that
everybody's
trained
on
it
and
then,
of
course,
you
have
to
go
through
about
a
three
or
four
month
trial
system,
and
basically,
what
that
is
is
we
will
bill
out
of
both
systems
and
make
sure
that
both
of
those
bills
are
100%
accurate
and
they
basically
say
the
exact
same
thing
in
our
current
system
and
in
the
new
system.
I
would
hate
to
ever
not
do
a
test
and
send
out
a
bill.
That's
that's
wrong.
M
Just
because
you
know
we
want
to
push
through
a
new
system.
We've
I've
been
with
the
city,
for
you
know,
24
years
I
know
the
conversion
to
the
old
one
system
with
payroll.
There
were
six
months
worth
of
issues
there,
because
we
never
really
did
a
dual
testing
process
and
then,
of
course,
we
did
have
some
hiccups
with
munis
just
in
the
most
recent.
You
know
past
so
I
agree
that
we
need
to
have
this
12
to
14
month
process
to
make
sure
that
these
bills
go
out
100%
correct
and
that
we
don't
have
any.
I
Wanted
to
ask
Nancy,
he
meant
as
a
question
in
it,
and
this
is
coupled
with
the
contract
we
discussed
not
too
long
ago.
Maybe
a
post
meeting
where
we
have
contracted
with
the
company
to
enter
for
records
from
the
as/400
into.
Is
it
into
this
system
so
that
we
can
make
it
more
accurate?
How
are
the
two
related.
M
Yeah,
so
the
mountain
river
I
believe
is
the
contract
that
you're
that
you're
asking
about,
and
yes,
they
are
an
integral
part
of
this
transition.
They
actually
can
pull
all
of
the
queries
and
the
reports
and
the
the
information
that
we
from
the
as/400,
which
is
our
current
system
and
actually
be
able
to
transfer
that
information.
The
twenty
years
of
history
into
the
proper
computer
language
for
lack
of
a
better
term
from
the
old
antiquated
as/400
into
the
new
advanced.
M
I
We
kind
of
shortchange
that
contract,
but
I
guess
we
can
see
how
it
goes.
But
if
we
don't
do
this
and
we
don't
enter
good
data
into
this
system,
then
this
system
isn't
gonna
be
as
good
as
it
could
be,
and
it's
not
going
to
improve
on
our
billing
system.
So
there
they
are
really
tied
together
and
is,
is
the
as400
that
green
screen?
I
Yes,
so
you
know
I,
think
many
of
you
remember
those
green
screens
and
and
that's
what
we're
working
with
right
now
so
I
think
it's
really
important
to
move
into
into
the
future
and
have
accurate,
Billings
and
I
think
it
will
probably
help
us
improve
on
our
collections.
And
you
know
this
is
a
lot
of
money,
but
it's
not
good
to
be
penny
wise
and
pound
foolish,
so
I
very
much
support
this
and
be
glad
when
it's
over
Thank
You
mr.
chair
thank.
E
Garcia
questions
for
Nancy,
so
you
kind
of
gave
a
good
metaphor
earlier
in
regards
to
Windows
7
and
Windows
10
and
I'm
assuming
you're,
meaning
that
this
advanced
version
number
four
is
Windows
10.
But
so
what
happens
when
advanced
comes
out
with
the
version,
5
version,
6
version
7?
Does
that
leave
us
outdated
and
not
getting
support.
M
Well,
just
with
any
you
know,
computer
system,
even
the
munis
system
that
we
have
for
financials.
There
is
quarterly
updates
and
quarterly
upgrades
that
happen.
It
is
part
of
the
contract
and
then,
after
of
course,
the
14
months
of
implementation
and
testing,
we
will
still
have
a
maintenance
agreement.
You
know
that
will
come
with
any
type
of
software
that
you
do
have,
which
also
will
include
any
upgrades.
If
they
do
a
you
know,
a
version
4.5
or
a
version
5
or
6
and
you're
gonna.
M
M
B
E
F
E
B
Thank
you
and
you
know
just
so
all
of
you
know
I
mean
this
is
this
is
almost
a
feeling
of
spending
money.
We
don't
have
and
I
think
that's
why
there
are
so
many
questions,
and
so
many
concerns
about
things
that
are
coming
up
and
you
know
I
assume
these
contracts
are
going
to
be
looked
at
a
little
more
harshly
as
we
move
through,
especially
at
the
meteor
time,
or
we
probably
have
more
information
on
our
budget
just
so
everybody
knows
this
is
a
difficult
time
and
difficult
votes
for
us.
I
K
I
as
well,
no
I'm,
not
a
member
of
the
committee,
but
I
did
want
to
be
here.
We
also
have
Christine
Chavez
who's,
the
water
conservation
division
director
on
the
line
as
well,
so
we
do
currently
have
the
water
conservation
committee.
This
resolution
in
front
of
us
is
to
combine,
let's
see
it
says
in
the
resolution
three
or
four
resolutions
that
have
been
passed,
the
earliest
one
in
2002,
another
one
in
2008
and
one
in
2016
16,
and
so
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
it's
it's.
K
It's
gotten
kind
of
cumbersome
because
in
order
to
know
what's
happening
with
this
committee,
you've
got
to
refer
to
four
different
resolutions.
So
we
want
to
reassure
one
resolution
that
combines
all
those
changes
and
then,
in
addition,
what
this
does
that
we
don't
currently
have
is
that
it
extends
the
number
of
terms
a
committee
member
can
serve
from
two
terms
to
three
terms.
K
Given
the
complexity
and
we
also
under
the
current
governance
structure,
we
lose
about
half
the
committee
and
that's
it's
just
both
in
terms
of
institutional
memory
and
being
up
to
speed
on
the
topic,
and
you
know
filling
those
vacancies.
It's
it's
just
been
too
difficult,
so
this
change
will
all
be
will
be
help
us
not
to
lose
so
many
people
all
at
once
and
hopefully
create
some
stability
in
the
way
the
committee
runs.
Okay,.
I
K
Question
on
so,
and
the
work
of
this
committee
has
not
been
scattered,
it's
just
the
resolutions
there.
There
are
too
many
of
them
now
and
you've
got
it's
just
be
easier.
If
you
could
refer
back
to
one
resolution,
this
is
actually
a
very
important
committee
for
the
city
and
for
our
water
conservation,
water
policy
efforts
but
great
question
on
what
happens
so
the
this
is
part
of
the
reason
why
this
is
before
you
now
before
those
current
members
terms
expire.
They
would
be
essentially
grandfathered
in
and
they
would
be
allowed
to
serve
that
third
term.
K
I
B
B
B
B
B
C
E
O
Mr.
chair
councillor,
Garcia
on
there
are
a
few
reasons
behind
this.
The
first
is
the
original
contract
with
B
and
D
for
preventive
maintenance
from
last
year
was
actually
signed
fairly
late
in
into
the
year
I
believe
it
was
actually
looking
at
it
right
now.
I
think
the
mayor
signed
it
On,
January,
28th,
2020,
I,
believe
I'm,
looking
at
the
right
contract
and
kind
of
gives
you
a
sense
of
timing.
So
a
couple
pieces
here.
First,
the
original
contract
was
not
in
place
for
a
full
year.
The
second
piece
is
the
way
I
wrote.
O
E
O
That's
an
interesting
question:
I,
don't
know
how
necessarily
this
would
translate
into
cost
savings
yeah.
You
know
as
a
point
of
clarification
with
facilities,
maintenance
and
how
you
know,
maintenance
of
city
facilities
works
if
our
maintenance
staff
runs
into
a
challenge.
That's
you
know,
beyond
the
scope
of
what
they're
able
to
achieve
they'll
turn
those
issues
over
to
one
of
the
facilities,
CIP
or
capital
improvement
project
administrators.
Who
will
then
work
with
a
contractor
to
address
the
issue?
O
For
example,
if
a
you
know
a
large
piece
of
HVAC
equipment
or
something
like
that,
was
to
go
down
on
a
building,
it's
really
beyond.
You
know
the
the
ability,
not
technical
ability
but
just
kind
of
manpower
hours,
so
to
speak
for
our
maintenance
staff
to
handle.
So
we
would
then
do
it
by
the
contractor,
and
you
know
I
guess
the
only
way
I
could
see
I
kind
of
always
see
those
as
expenses.
We
do
try
and
always
when
we're
replacing
equipment.
O
If
it's
HVAC
equipment
we
try
and
get
more
efficient
equipment.
It's
lighting.
We
try
to
switch
to
led.
So
there
is
always
opportunities
for
savings,
but
these
kind
of
expenses
aren't
necessarily
savings,
driven
they're
they're,
you
know
kind
of
the.
You
know
day-to-day
functionality
of
the
city's
infrastructure
and
yeah
that
more
or
less
that's
the
that's
the
answer.
Okay,.
B
C
E
I
You
mr.
chair
I
I
was
looking
at
this
and
and
I.
Don't
know
that
it's
appropriate
to
make
amendments
here,
because
this
is
so.
This
is
an
ordinance
so
but
I
wanted
to
point
out
that
if
you
look
on
page
1
item
1,
it
says
people
must
clean
up
and
then
you
go
down
and
on
item
4.
It
goes
dog
owners
and
then
on
item
5.
It
goes
back
to
people
and
then
you
go
back
down
and
number
10.
It
goes
back
to
people.
I
H
Tell
you
why
we're
using
different
language
when
I
look
at
this
all
this
amendment?
All
this
was.
It
was
to
change
a
improper
reference.
When
I
look
at
it
says
where
it
says:
people
must
clean
up
after
their
pets,
so
I
mean
you
could.
If
you
want
to
do
an
amendment
that
says
pet
owners
on
these
or
you
know.
I
H
I
I
I
B
H
C
E
B
Thank
you
next
we're
on
item
R,
which
was
pulled
by
councillor
Garcia
and
before
we
get
started.
I
just
would
like
to
say
that
I
am
requesting
this
just
simply
because
our
effluent
is
so
inconsistent,
so
we're
not
able
to
provide
effluent
on
a
consistent
basis,
and
there
are
times
typically
after
seven
days
where
both
the
Santa
Fe
Country
Club
are
soccer
fields.
Our
rugby
fields,
our
Golf
Course,
are
in
jeopardy
of
really
losing
some.
Some
are
part
of
their
facility.
B
This
is
just
an
attempt
to
protect
protect
our
assets
in
those
times
where
effluent
cannot
be
provided
and
from
what
we
heard
from
Efrain
and
from
mr.
Jones
and
I.
You
know.
Hopefully,
some
of
the
changes
that
were
making
will
limit
the
amount
of
time
that
effluent
is
not
available.
But
if
that
happens,
or
until
that
happens,
we
have
a
back-up
plan.
B
So
we
don't
have
to
have
an
emergency
meeting
in
order
to
provide
water
to
those
facilities,
and
just
so
everyone
knows,
every
other
City
facility
besides
the
one
I
just
mentioned,
are
watered
with
potable
water.
So
this
is
only
on
emergency
basis
where
they
would
be
a
lab
use.
Potable
water
when
effluent
was
not
available.
E
D
Mr.
chair
councillor,
Garcia
um
hard
to
quantify
the
number
of
customers,
mainly
driven
by
the
contractors
so
again
treated
effluent
is
used
for
dust
control
and
compaction.
There
are
two
filling
stations
located
at
the
water
reclamation
facility.
um
So
when
that
system
is
down,
it
definitely
impacts
the
contractors
they're
forced
to
either
move
out
to
the
counties
fill
station
and
so
again
we're
working
on
finding
ways
to
create
robustness
for
that.
D
As
far
as
turf
irrigation,
the
three,
the
three
and
I
would
say,
the
three
locations,
probably
the
most
problematic
for
us
again-
is
Swan
Park.
The
MRC,
which
includes
the
Marty
centers
golf
course,
and
the
Seneca
Country
Club
seems
like
those
have
been
the
three
locations
with
the
most
challenge
of
the
disruption.
E
D
So
swamp
Park,
the
MRC
included,
touches
on
our
city
facilities
and
are
currently
not
charged
for
the
treated
effluent
scent
of
a
Country
Club
has
an
agreement
with
the
city
of
Santa
Fe
that
they
would
not
be
charged
for
treated
effluent
as
long
as
they
meet
the
conditions
of
their
agreement
number
one,
mostly
being
that
it
remains
open
to
the
public
as
a
public
course
and
that
their
rates
be
reasonable.
Okay,.
E
E
D
Councillor
Garcia
I
think
maybe
you're,
not
a
casa,
Thea
necessarily
budgeted
for
I.
Think
up
to
this
point,
including
even
last
year,
I
feel
this.
The
city
there's
been
very
concise
on
the
cost
of
that
we
do
tip
the
braid
at
the
bulk
water
rate
as
part
of
our
ordinance,
so
they're
just
charged
the
the
606
per
thousand
there's
no
escalation
as
in
residential
or
commercial
great.
D
E
And
so
I
guess
my
the
point
I'm
trying
to
make
is
that
need
when
effluent
is
not
available
for
the
entities
that
are
using
it
for
irrigation,
they
are,
they
see
a
cost
that
they
weren't
expecting
in
the
instance.
If
it's
our
city
partners
within
the
Parks
and
Rec
they've
got
figure
out
where
that
money
is
going
to
come
from
with
the
business
of
the
Country
Club,
that's
a
cost,
they
weren't
expecting.
E
Is
we
cap
it
up
at
a
certain
number
of
days
where
they,
the
the
entities
that
are
using
it
for
turf
arrogation,
have
to
pay
to
keep
the
the
grass
green,
but
then,
after?
If
we
can't
provide
that
episode
after
a
certain
number
of
days,
then
the
water
company
has
to
take
on
that
expense
and
I
think
you
know
looking
at
it
something
like
it
after
day.
Five,
if
effluent
is
not
back
in
running,
you
know
to
these
entities
that
were
utilizing
it
and
expecting
it
at
no
cost.
E
I
think
those
charges
should
be
then
reverted
to
the
water
company,
not
but
not
the
user,
because
it's
not
that
their
negligence
and
I'm
not
saying
it's.
The
negligence
of
the
water
company
either,
but
I
think
it's
something
that
these
entities
could
not
incur
the
cost,
though,
and
so
I,
don't
know
how
we
would.
That
would
be
a
proposed
amendment
to
this
resolution.
Mr.
chair,
but
I
would
definitely
like
to
add
something
like
that
to
this.
E
So
I
don't
know
if
now,
at
the
time
we
have
over
language
or
an
amendment
or
if
we
put
something
together
for
Wednesday's
meeting,
I
definitely
would
like
to
put
something
like
that.
They
ain't
like
I,
said
the
entities
that
are
using
it
for
irrigation
should
not
be
penalized
so
to
speak
when
effluent
is
not
available.
B
D
D
So
when
we
talk
about
treated
effluent
that
comes
from
the
wastewater
management
division
has
its
own
rate
structure,
its
own
enterprise
funds,
I
think
I,
think
a
strong
conversation
and
decisions
have
to
be
made
about
truly
what
the
city
is
obligated
and
liable,
for
which
I
would
defer
that
to
the
city
attorney's
office
I'm.
In
addition,
I
think
my
initial
comment
would
be:
is
I'm
trying
to
reframe.
You
know
what
councilor
Garcia
was
saying
that
a
turf
irrigator
shouldn't
be
penalized
for
using
potable
water,
but
I
think
the
statement
I
would
make.
D
Is
that
again
the
water
division
and
their
rates
come
off
a
cost
of
service
study.
So
again,
whether
water
is
pumped
out
of
the
ground
or
ran
through
the
Buckman
director
version,
there's
a
cost
that
the
water
division
occurs
on
treating
conveying
delivering
that
water
and
that
is
solely
supported
by
the
rates
of
its
35,000
customers.
D
And
so
I
would
just
at
least
point
out
that
when
that
any
expenditure
that's
pushed
onto
the
water
tube,
it
is
supported
by
the
customer
base
and
that's
any
of
the
any
of
the
three
and
affright
funds
on
how
on.
Where
that.
What
but
I'm
happy
to
also
circle
back
with
the
City
Attorney's
Office
to
get
any
information
that
would
help.
That
would
help
the
council
and
another
discussion
and.
B
E
So,
and,
and-
and
I
think
on
that
point-
it
wasn't
necessarily
there's
a
negotiation
that
that,
where
we
gave
up
to
so
much
water
to
to
you
know
in
this
case
the
country
club
in
exchange
for
the
public
having
access
to
their
club,
in
my
understanding,
we're
not
holding
up
our
end
of
the
bargain
and
then
we're
targeting
them
to
me,
I
think:
that's!
That's
where
what
is
our
liability
and
I?
Guess?
E
E
B
D
E
Sure
I
mean
on
Wednesday
would
I
be
able
to
introduce
an
amendment.
I
want
to
make
sure
that
this
doesn't
get
lost
in
the
mix
before
Wednesday,
because
I
do
want
to
I
think
this
is
something
we
we
should
practice.
We
shouldn't
be
moving
forward
with
in
the
sense
when
a
product
we
have
is
not
available,
we're
basically
forking
an
entity
to
purchase.
B
P
E
I
You
mr.
chair
I
think
councillor
Garcia
is
onto
something
because
with
the
Santa
Fe
Country
Club,
the
city
has
had
agreements
in
place
with
them
since,
as
I
recall,
the
1950s
and
there
have
been
several
modifications,
but
actually
the
Country
Club
land
as
I
understand
it
belonged
to
the
city
in
the
beginning,
and
then
the
city
didn't
want
to
run
the
golf
course.
So
they
gave
it
back
and
said:
we'll
give
you
water
to
water,
it
actually
F
effluent.
I
No,
you
know
there's
a
bunch
of
history
here,
and
so
it's
my
my
understanding
and
belief
that
the
city
you
know
is
supposed
to
be
giving
them
effluent
giving
the
country-club
effluent
in
accordance
with
all
those
agreements
that
come
up,
so
they
have
been
paying
like
five
thousand
dollars
every
time
they
hook
up
to
the
fire
hydrants
and
then
the
other
there's
another
connection
on
the
other
side,
and
it's
it's
costing
them.
You
know
somebody
and
they're
I
think
they're
not
really
complaining
right
now.
I
As
many
of
you
I
think
are
aware
of
those
agreements
and-
and
so
I
don't
expect,
there's
going
to
be
much
of
a
difference
in
the
outcome
of
this,
but
it
seems
only
fair
to
live
up
to
our
end
of
the
situation
now,
hopefully
we
don't
have
this
continue
to
happen,
and
this
is
a
non-issue
but
I,
like
your
resolution
and
I,
want
to
co-sponsor
it
so
we'll
see
what
amendments
councillor
Garcia
comes
up
with.
Thank
you.
Hey.
H
Yeah
I
think
that
I'll
I
know
that,
since
some
amount
of
time,
we've
recently
been
reviewing
our
contracts,
I
believe
with
the
country
club
also
with
one
of
the
pueblos
zon
water
going
out
to
the
downs
and
those
have
all
been
under
review
and
I
would
ask
that
in
proposing
well
I
mean
you
certainly
can
propose
any
amendment
that
you
want
to,
but
I
hope
that
the
attorney's
office
would
put
that
into
consideration
of
where
we
are
with
that
and
that
one
doesn't
interfere
with
the
other.
Thank
you
thank.
F
Beta
get
a
hand
up
Thank
You,
mr.
chairman
and
mr.
Jones
I.
Think
also
that
at
some
point,
if
we're
not
capable
of
providing
effluent
on
a
regular
basis
because
either
it's
too
complicated
or
our
systems
too
old,
I
think
at
some
point
we
got
to
just
admit
that
and
not
provided
anymore
and
maybe
put
provide
potable
water
to
certainly
the
city
facilities,
because
all
the
other
ones
have
it,
because
it
seems
like
what's
frustrating
myself
and
maybe
some
of
the
other
councillors.
Is
these
constant,
shutdowns
and
not
delivering
effluent.
F
F
D
Know
mr.
Chari
I
appreciate
that
counselor
I
do
hear
what
you're
saying
again
I
go
back
to
again
the
approach
that
I
we've
been
talking
about
for
a
year
that
system
again
it's
it's
more
than
just
a
single
point
of
use
right.
It
is
about
storage,
it's
about
conservation
and
it's
about
redundancy.
So
again,
with
with
the
city
facilities,
I've
been
working
diligently.
Definitely
the
last
two
months
about
adding
row
buses
to
their
system.
um
I
guess
also
well
now,
without
coming
across
defensive.
um
I.
D
So,
even
if
it
is
an
I
bred
with
with
robustness
and
multiple
sources,
I
guess
my
gut
is
still
that
I,
don't
think
you
can
discount
the
17
million
gallons
of
water.
That
was
delivered
again.
Anything
that
I
can
do
to
make
that
better
and
more
consistent,
but
even
do
these
this
time
of
tribulation
still
17
million
gallons
of
water,
which
is
a
valuable
resource.
You
know
in
our
in
my
line
of
work
that
was
still
delivered
for
turf
irrigation.
I.
B
You
know
we
have
plenty
of
water
today,
but
we've
been
in
times
in
the
past,
where
we
were
in
severe
drought
and
would
hate
to
get
to
that
point
where
we're
using
potable
drinking
water
to
provide
irrigation
to
the
country-club,
the
MRC
Swan
Park,
the
Downs
anywhere
I.
Think
if
we
can
use
treated
effluent
in
those
situations,
that's
still
the
best
best
solution,
that's
just
my
personal
opinion.
So
any
other
questions.
B
For
approval
from
cancer
Christina
singer
from
cancer,
vo
coppler,
council,
BL
cobbler
in
Lyndell,
I
appreciate
you
signing
on
as
a
co-sponsor
we'll
have
some
more
questions
answered
tomorrow,
hopefully
by
the
Attorney's
Office
should
be
ready
by
Wednesday
for
any
changes,
recommended
chambers
or
vote
all
right.
Any
further
discussion.
C
B
B
G
Mr.
chair,
thank
you
very
much.
I
just
wanted
to
give
a
brief
staffing
update.
I
today
receive
notice
that
I'm
going
to
be
losing
another
one
of
my
engineers.
Actually,
my
only
only
engineering
other
than
myself
I'm
Sarah
Anderson
decided
to
move
on
from
the
city
and
so
again,
I
know
we
mentioned
this
in
the
past,
but
I'm.
Some
of
these
upper-level
positions
have
been
very
difficult
for
me
to
fill.
Looking
internal/external
to
find
qualified
people
is
very
difficult.
G
The
tentative
perspective
of
how
things
have
gone
I
looked
in
the
org
chart
for
Public
Works
back
in
2011
2012
that
fiscal
year,
and
we
had
90
engineers
right
now
we're
down
to
one
and
that's
me,
um
so
it
is
a
very
difficult
thing.
I
would
not
say
you
know,
I
understand
that
people
are
replaceable,
but
how
hard
is
it
to
replace?
For
me,
it's
very
hard
to
replace
these
people.
I've
been
trying
with
positions.
I've
been
advertising
and
double
digits.
G
um
You
know
10
12
times
that
I
cannot
feel
so
it's
just
something
that
I
thought
was
worth
mentioning.
I
know
like
with
our
upcoming
budget
talks.
I
do
think
we
can
age
of
talented
employees
is
going
to
be
a
thing
that
we're
going
to
have
to
consider
with
their
upcoming
budget
discussions.
Thank
you
thank.
B
B
B
Deferring
somewhere,
you
know
two
three
years
down
the
road,
so
specifically
the
fire
station.
If
that's
not
going
to
happen
this
year,
I
think
this
committee
needs
to
make
that
recommendation
to
the
Finance
Committee,
that
these
are
the
cuts
that
we
propose
making
during
this
next
fiscal
year
and
if
you
can
have
a
list
of
those-
and
we
can
talk
about
those
prior
to
the
next
meeting-
that
we
can
actually
vote
on
for
the
middle
to
the
Finance
Committee.
G
G
B
B
P
B
G
Thank
You
mr.
chair,
so
one
other
point
of
clarification.
So
what
I
had
intended
was
that
public
works
committee
made
the
recommend
the
ultimate
recommendation
on
what
projects
to
adjust
budgets
on
as
discussed
in
item
C,
and
then
it
would
go
to
finance
at
the
time
that
it
was
going
to
be
proposed
to
be
we
appropriated
for
operating
expenses.
If
you
would
like
I
can
send
that
list
that
we
just
discussed
to
Finance
before
that.
So
they
can
talk
about
it
at
a
project-by-project
basis.
I
can
do
either
one.