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B
E
A
C
B
Promotion
for
approval
of
the
consent
calendar
by
counselor,
michael
garcia,
second,
by
councilwoman
chavez,
any
further
discussion,
roll
call
vote.
Please
miss
diaz.
A
B
Thank
you.
Next
approval
of
the
minutes
from
february
21st
2022
public
works
and
utilities
committee
meeting
any
changes
from
staff.
Ms
wheeler.
A
Yeah
as
reading
through
the
minutes,
I
noticed
that
the
motion
to
approve
in
certain
areas,
and
sometimes
second
it
just
has
counselor
garcia
and
under
the
votes
it
just
reflects
one
counselor
garcia.
So
I
don't
know
which
one
that
is
my
counterpart
or
myself.
B
A
So
if
you
see
at
the
motion
approved
we'll
just
take
the
first
motion
just
says:
counselor
garcia,.
B
Counselor,
garcia
or
lee
garcia,
can
you
tell
us
what
page
on
the
packet
you're
on.
A
So
if
I'm
looking
at
the
correct
one,
I
think
I
am
it's
the
february
21st
2022
at
5
p.m.
A
F
A
Twitch
garcia,
yes,
and
under
the
vote
it
says
the
motion
was
approved:
four
councillor,
rivera,
councilor,
garcia,
councillor,
romero
worth
and
counselor
chavez.
So
one
of
us
just
got
left
out
on
that.
I
guess
what
I'm,
what
I'm
noticing.
B
I
think
we
have
a
couple
options
here,
correct
me
for
wrong
mistias,
but
we
can
go
back
and
review
the
meeting
from
last
time
and
correct
those
or
we
can
just
correct
it
moving
forward.
I
don't
know
what
you
prefer:
counselor
lee
garcia
first
mistias.
Is
it
doable
to
go
back
and
look
and
correct
and
put
which
counter
garcia
was
responsible
for
the
second
or
for
the
motion
itself.
C
A
And
I'm
okay
just
moving
forward
from
here
on
out
just
so
we
make
for
the
record
that
it
does
specify
which,
which
one
of
us
I'm
okay
with
that,
because
I
don't
think
there's
been
anything
that
we've
either
voted
against
or
I
wasn't
on
board
with.
So
if
it's
okay
with
the
with
the
committee,
I'm
okay
with
that.
B
Councilor
melworth:
do
you
have
any
advice
on
this?
Should
we
go
back
and
correct
it
and
make
it
the
way
it's
supposed
to
be,
or
should
we
or
is
it
okay,
just
to
move
forward.
G
A
B
A
Yes,
a
motion
to
revisit
the
minutes
and
correct
as
needed.
H
A
B
I
B
I
I
Again,
my
name
is
leah
ingbi,
I'm
a
transportation
planner
with
the
santa
fe
metropolitan
planning
organization
and
I'm
presenting
about
this
project
that
we've
been
doing
with
grant
funding
from
the
aarp
community
challenge
grant
program
to
do
pop-up,
protected
bike,
lane
demonstration
projects
around
santa
fe
so
to
make
sure
we're
all
on
the
same
page
briefly,
protected
bike
lanes
are
like
regular
bike
lanes,
except
they
also
have
a
vertical
barrier
between
the
bicycle
travel
lane
and
the
vehicle
travel
lane.
That
barrier
can
be
made
up
of
different
things.
I
So
since
protected
bike
lanes
have
been
established
in
in
the
united
states
for
over
a
decade
now,
there's
been
more
and
more
research,
exploring
the
benefits
of
protected
bike
lanes,
and
so
a
major
study
and
some
smaller
ones
have
shown
that
the
protected
bike
lanes
actually
make
it
safer
for
everyone
on
the
road,
not
just
people
biking,
but
also
people
driving
and
walking.
I
They
have
boosted
economic
growth
in
the
areas
that
they've
been
installed,
probably
because
they're
safer.
They
lead
to
more
people,
biking
replacing
single
occupancy
vehicle
trips,
which
leads
to
less
greenhouse
gas
emissions
and
they
provide
a
lot
of
the
same
safety
benefits
as
trails,
but
they're
much
much
cheaper,
like
the
multi-use
trails
that
we
have
and
they
support
in
all
ages
and
abilities
bike
network
bike
network,
as
called
for
by
our
santa
fe
bicycle
master
plan.
I
In
addition
to
all
those
great
reasons,
we
also
in
every
transportation
survey
that
we've
done
in
santa
fe
safety
comes
out
as
the
major
barrier
to
people
choosing
to
bike,
and
so
this
past
year
we
had
the
multimodal
transition
plan,
which
asked,
if
you
would
like
to
bike
more.
But
don't
what
is
the
biggest
factor
or
constraint
that
keeps
you
from
doing
so?
As
you
can
see,
the
top
four
things
are
all
related
to
traffic
safety.
I
I
Safety
concerns
were
the
top
three
responses.
In
our
2020-2045
metropolitan
transportation
plan
survey
we
asked
which
of
the
following
barriers
influence
you
the
most
when
considering
transportation
options,
so
any
option
safety
came
out.
Second,
behind
a
public
transportation,
related
response
in
our
bicycle
master
plan
survey
again
looking
at
barriers
to
biking
the
top
six
responses
were
all
related
to
traffic
safety,
so
we
have
some
goals
for
these
pop-up
protected
bike
lane
demonstrations.
I
First
of
all,
we
don't
have
any
in
santa
fe,
yet
so
there's
something
brand
new
to
santa
fe.
There
are
some
in
albuquerque-
or
I
think,
maybe
one,
but
it's
something
that
people
aren't
really
familiar
with,
so
we
want
to
demonstrate
what
they
are,
how
they
work
and
then
use
that
to
start
the
conversation.
Do
people
like
it?
Do
they
want
to
see
it?
I
Is
it
something
that
you
know
where
do
they
want
to
see
it,
and
then
we
do
have
a
goal
in
the
bicycle
master
plan
of
one
mile
of
separated
or
protected
bike
lanes
by
2024.,
so
the
first
one
that
we
did
was
on
paseo
de
peralta
from
cerrios
to
old
santa
fe
trail,
and
we
did
that
on
october,
9th
and
10th
to
take
advantage
of
the
santa
fe
century,
which
was
october
10th.
I
We
knew
that
there
would
be
a
lot
of
people
biking
that
weekend,
so
it'd
be
a
lot
of
exposure
and
visibility
for
people
to
try
it
out
here
are
we've
got
some
pictures.
We
have
a
lot
of
signage
that
we
put
up
before
the
event
and
during
the
event,
so
that,
hopefully
everyone
is
aware
of
what's
going
on,
and
why
then
we
had
a
lot
of
people
come
out.
I
We
used
pneumatic
tubes
to
count
people
as
they
biked
across
them
and
so
we're
estimating
that
over
650
people
biked
it
that
weekend
over
the
two
days.
I
also
love
this
picture,
showing
how
it
actually
it's
beneficial
for
people
walking
too
people
walking
in
groups.
I
You
know
they
want
to
walk
together,
so
they
spread
out,
and
then
they
have
more
space
to
do
that
when
there
aren't
people
in
the
in
the
bike
lane,
we
worked
with
the
bicycling
and
pedestrian
advisory
committee
to
add
a
question
on
to
their
survey
that
they
did
about
people
who
had
experienced
the
protected
bike
lane
and
all
the
questions
were
compared
to
a
normal
bike
lane.
Everyone
agreed
that
it
they
felt
safer
in
it,
they
felt
more
comfortable
and
they
would
use
it
more
compared
to
a
regular
bike
lane.
I
I
80
of
the
cars
were
speeding
when
there
wasn't
a
protected
bike
lane
that
was
reduced
by
half
when
the
protected
bike
lane
was
there,
and
I
think,
even
more
striking
is
when
you
look
at
the
number
of
people,
what
I'm
calling
excessive
speeding,
so
they're
driving
over
five
miles
per
hour
over
the
speed
limit,
and
that
was
dramatically
reduced
with
the
protected
bike
lane
and
actually
pretty
prevalent
without
the
protected
bike.
Lane
speeds
are
really
important
because,
as
vehicle
speeds
increase,
the
chances
of
fatality
in
a
collision
with
a
pedestrian
increases
pretty
dramatically.
I
This
is
true
with
car
on
car
collisions
as
well
fatalities.
This
red
line
here
also
increases
quite
a
bit
the
second
protected
bike,
lane
demonstration
project
that
we
did
was
on
paseo
del
sol.
I
In
november,
we
worked
with
nina
otero
community
school
to
do
a
protected
bike
lane
from
where
they
exit
the
tira
contenta
trail
all
the
way
to
the
entrance
to
nina
otero,
and
we
did
that
with
their
weekly
bike
to
school
program,
and
they
also
have
an
after
school
program
where
they
biked
it
as
well.
For
this
one
we
we
were
able
to
we
already.
We
purchased
this
equipment
that
you
see
here.
I
We
weren't,
we
didn't
have
it
in
time
for
the
paseo
de
peralta
pop-up,
but
we
did
for
this
one
and
the
streets
division
set
them
up
for
us,
which
was
awesome.
So
we
have
a
really
great
partnership
with
them.
Now
oh
yeah,
and
then
I
asked
all
the
kids
when
they
arrived
at
school.
I
asked
them,
did
you
feel
safer?
And
everyone
said?
I
So
some
quick
conclusions:
people
consistently
named
safety
as
the
number
one
barrier
to
biking
in
santa
fe,
but
they
did
feel
safer
with
the
protected
bike
lane.
Excessive
vehicle
speeds
were
dramatically
reduced
to
which
improved
safety
for
everyone
who's
on
that
road
and
all
of
the
evidence
supports
protected
bike
lanes,
making
roads
safer
for
people,
biking,
walking
and
driving.
I
Our
next
steps
are,
we
are
still
partnering,
with
the
safer
to
school
program,
to
do
more
protected
bike
lanes
with
school
events,
especially
we're
looking
at
back
to
school
day,
which
is
may
4th
bike
month
is
in
may,
and
we
want
to
do
so.
Stay
tuned,
we're
planning
a
really
cool
event
with
a
protected
bike
lane
and
some
art
activations,
and
we
also
have
the
opportunity
to
do
public
and
stakeholder
driven
events
as
people
come
up
with
their
own
ideas.
We
definitely
have
that
capacity.
I
So,
actually,
now
I'm
going
to
pass
it
to
eric
ani.
For
this
last
part,.
J
J
This
is
not
just
putting
up
a
bike
lane
to
to
do
it
for
the
fun
of
it,
but
actually
do
analytics
around
it
to
show
objectively
the
strategic
advantage
of
why
the
city
might
want
to
consider
something
like
this
with
that
said,
we
believe
that
a
pilot
project
would
be
in
the
best
interest
of
the
city
to
actually
do
a
permanent,
install
the
mpo
and
then
commit
to
monitoring
that
install
over
a
period
of
time,
whether
that
be
six
months
or
a
year
and
do
a
similar
analytics
in
terms
of
the
operational
elements
of
the
protected
bike
lane.
J
I
And
then
I'll
just
we
do
have
some
references
in
here
in
your
packet.
If
you
want
to
check
out
any
of
the
the
statistics
or
the
research
that
I
mentioned
and
of
course
thank
you
to
aarp
livable
communities
which
sponsored
this
project,
and
with
that
I
will
stand
for
any
questions.
Thank
you.
B
Thank
you
leah
and
thank
you.
Eric
for
the
presentation
comes
from
michael
garcia.
Do
you
want?
Do
you
have
anything
to
say
since
you're
chair
of
the.
B
I
think
that's
what
it's
called
now
do
you
have
any
questions
or
comments.
B
B
Yeah
any
questions
or
comments
from
councilwoman
chavez.
I
know
you
work
with
the
schools
and
the
schools
are
mentioned
here.
Any
questions
or
comments.
H
No,
I
love
it.
I
love
the
idea.
I
want
to
thank
you
for
giving
us
the
data
and
just
people's
perspective
on
like
the
positive
impact
that
could
that
this
could
have.
I
know
that
the
schools
have
tried
to
have
been
trying
to
encourage
you
know,
biking
or
walking
to
school,
but
I
do
think
safety
is
a
huge
issue.
I
think
a
lot
of
our
constituents.
H
I
know
as
the
principal
at
cesar
that
was
our
community's
concern
was
just
safety
and
making
sure
you
know
we
had
the
bike
lanes
and
the
walk
lanes
and
our
sidewalks
were
what
they
needed
to
be
in
order
for
parents
to
allow
their
kids
to
bike
and
walk
to
school.
So
I
definitely
see
this
as
a
positive
and
I
loved
hearing
that
it
increased
numbers,
because
that
project
that
we
have
the
bike
to
school
day.
H
I
believe
it's
called
is
something
the
district
has
been
having
for
a
very
long
time
and
it
would
be
nice
for
that
to
just
be
something
that
naturally
happens,
because
we
set
things
up
to
be
safer
for
our
community,
so
I
really
enjoyed
the
presentation.
Thank
you.
So
much
leah.
B
Thank
you,
councilwoman
council
women
on
merrell
worth.
G
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
I
do
have
a
question
about
the
pedestrians
using
a
dedicated
bike
lane
and
the
safety
of
that.
I
That
sure
yeah
thank
you,
chair
members
of
the
committee
right,
so
I
mean
I
think,
the
interesting
point
or
take
away
from
that,
as
we
saw
the
picture
with
the
pedestrians
and
the
protected
bike
lane
on
paseo
de
peralta.
For
me,
the
takeaway
is
that
we
need
wider
sidewalks
in
santa
fe,
especially
in
areas
where
people
are
walking
because
yeah
I
mean
right.
The
protected
bike
lane
should
or
any
bike
lane
should
be
for
people
biking,
and
we
don't
want
to
have
people
the
mixing
of
people
walking
and
biking.
I
G
Yeah-
and
I
mean
it's-
I
I'm
not
even
so
worried
about
the
cars
as
much
as
the
bikes
and
particularly,
I
suppose,
depends
on
how
heavily
it's
traveled
and
what
direction
you're
walking
whether
you're
walking.
So
you
can
see
the
bikes
coming
at
you
or
whether
they
come
at
you
from
behind,
and
I
I
don't
know
and
whether
you're
actually
out
in
the
street
in
the
protected
lane.
I
just
wonder
what
the
what
the
experts
think
about
the
mix
of
those
two
in
a
protected
bike
lane.
I
Well,
I
mean
I,
I
guess
I
think
that
was
some.
That
would
be
something
we'd
have
to
monitor
more
to
see
if
it
actually
would.
You
know
to
see
if
the
protected
bike
lanes
do
actually
lead
to
people
walking
in
the
bike
lane
more.
You
know
at
this
point
I
guess
I'm
I'm
not
sure
that
it
would
be
a
big
enough
problem
for
us
to
yeah
for
us
to
take
measures
against
it
happening,
and
I
think
people
tend
to
use
their
common
sense
like
looking.
I
You
know
getting
out
of
the
way
of
everyone,
whether
they're
on
a
bike
whether
they're
walking,
I
think
people
you
know,
especially
if
you're
moving
at
slower
speeds,
walking
or
biking.
You
have
more
reaction
time.
So
I
think
that's
a
that's
a
good
point
of
consideration
moving
forward,
just
something
to
monitor.
I
Are
we
seeing
that
a
lot
when
we
do
these
demonstration
projects,
when
we
did
the
paseo
del
seoul
demonstration
project,
I
I
mean
I
was
out
there
with
a
speed
gun
and
I
did
not
see
students
and
there
were
tons
of
students
from
capitol
high,
letting
out
of
school.
I
didn't
see
them
walking
in
the
protected
bike
lane
so
anyways.
I
think
I
I
appreciate
that
that
point
and
I
think
that
that's
something
that
we
can
just
kind
of
keep
an
eye
on
going
into
the
future.
So
thank
you.
Yeah.
G
B
A
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
I
do
have
concern
about
people
walking
in
the
bike
lane,
because
bikes,
especially
guys
and
or
anybody
on
a
bike
it
moves,
pretty
fast,
25
30
miles
an
hour
and
a
collision
with
a
pedestrian
would
definitely
be
an
injury
to
for
sure
the
person
walking
and
and
and
quite
possibly,
to
the
person
riding
the
bike,
so
that
I,
I
think
that
also
just
needs
to
be
looked
at
very
carefully
and
maybe
signage
at
some
point
put
up
that
no
pedestrians
and
bike
lanes.
A
My
question
would
be
number
one
is
where,
in
the
city
have
you
identified
where
these
may
be
able
to
be
put
up?
I
I
think
the
intention
is,
is
more
to
create
areas
of
the
city
that
are
more
accessible
to
bikes
and
I
think
that's
connected
to
trails
and
how
people
can
move
around
the
city
without
having
a
car.
A
I
had
the
question
raised
many
times
talking
to
people
last
year
that
they
only
have
one
car
and
they
would
like
to
see
more
connectivity
with
bikes.
I
know
ted
it's
it's
so
much
easier
to
build
it
out,
such
as
content
iii.
Where
that
was
raised,
the
sidewalks,
the
bike
lanes
the
parking
and
all
that
and
with
our
old
streets
and
connectivity.
Currently
it's
hard.
I
Thank
you,
councillor,
garcia,
chair
members
of
the
committee.
That's
a
great
question
and
I'll
just
put
a
little
plug
out
there
that
right
now
I
am
working
on
finishing
up
a
more
thorough
report
of
the
entire
project.
The
steps
that
we've
taken,
the
public
outreach
that
we've
done
the
data
and
as
well
as
a
list
of
potential
locations
we
have
identified
in
our
metropolitan
transportation
plan
as
well
as
bicycle
master
plan
roads.
That
would
could
possibly
have
what's
usually
called
a
road
diet.
I
So
such
as
paseo
de
peralta,
which
is
four
lanes
two
in
each
direction
and
given
the
traffic
volumes
and
the
traffic
speeds,
it
really
could
be
a
two
lane
in
each
direction
with
a
center
turn
lane
road,
which
would
free
up
a
lot
of
space
for
a
bike
lane
and
a
protected
bike
lane.
So
we-
I
guess
I
don't
I.
I
guess
I
don't
feel
like.
I
So
for
that
you
know
airport
road,
we
would
have
to
really
look
in
detail
to
see
if,
if,
if
it's
feasible
on
airport,
road
or
cerritos
st
michaels,
maybe
you
know
one
day
if
there's
a
road
diet.
So
I
think
that
there
are
yeah.
I
think
that
there
are
a
lot
of
possible
locations
around
the
city
and
paseo
de
peralta.
I
think
actually
would
be
a
great
one
and
yeah
look
for
that
report
with
with
a
more
thorough
list.
A
It
just
seems
as
if
the
areas
that
there
are
protected
bike
lanes
would
connect
somewhat
to
trails
or
opportunities
for
people,
because
it
doesn't
make
sense
to
have
a
mile
of
protected
bike
lane
and
then
stop
now
they
got
to
go
on
the
street,
like
everyone
else
just
to
comment,
I
guess,
but
no
I
I
appreciate
the
work
that
you
guys
are
doing
on
this
and
I've
written
driven
rode
my
bike
on
the
streets
and
those
cars
zip
right
past
you,
it's
a
uneasy
feeling,
I'm
not
a
professional
biker
by
any
means,
but
so
the
good
work.
B
Thank
you,
counselor,
any
other
questions.
I
have
a
couple
questions
leah
on
the
paseo.
The
peralta
photos
that
you
gave
us
it
looked
like
it
basically
created
a
road
diet
didn't
really
create
a
bike
path.
That
was,
I
guess,
separate
an
existing
bike
path,
but
really
created
that
road
diet,
which
is
one
lane
in
each
direction,
is
that
correct.
I
Yes,
yes,
cherry
vera,
so
it
did,
it
was
effectively
a
road
diet
and
there
were
barriers
set
up
that
closed
the
lane,
the
outermost
lane,
so
that
that
was
our
protected
bike
lane
and
that's.
I
think
there
are
two
different
types
of
protected
bike
lane
projects,
so
we
can
do.
One
is
like
we
did
on
paseo
de
peralta,
where
we
take
a
whole
lane.
We
give
it
to
bikes
and
we
put
up
the
barriers.
B
I
Yeah,
terry
rivera,
that's
a
great
question:
we
do
look
at
traffic
volume
data
and
the
nmdot
produces
that.
I
don't
know
it
off
the
top
of
my
head
and
also
I
don't
know
if
we
have
it
broken
down
by
months,
such
as
during
the
legislature
legislative
session.
I
That
I
think
would
require
some
further
study,
but
I
can
say
that
below
20,
maybe
even
25
000
vehicle
average
daily
traffic
is
the
metric
that
we
use
for
traffic
volume
below
that
threshold
is
generally
considered
pretty
suitable
to
a
a
road
diet
and
yeah.
I
know
right
now,
normally
it's
below
that.
I
don't
know
if,
during
the
legislation
legislative
session,
if
it
goes
above
that,
but
I
also
wonder
if
we
had
a
protected
bike
lane
there.
I
If
you
know,
then
more
people
would
be
able
to
bike
or
walk
to
the
the
the
roundhouse
during
that
time.
I
think
that
we
also
have
to
consider
that
creating
these
really
good
connections
then
allows
and
also
creating
a
tiny
bit
of
slowness
is
a
good
incentive
to
get
more
people
to
bike
and
walk,
which
will
help
us
reach
our
our
goals
for
the
city
of
being
carbon
neutral
by
2040..
B
Yeah
great
thanks,
I
I
do
agree
that
it
would
probably
take
a
little
more
study
during
those
peak
times,
especially
on
streets.
Like
paseo.
B
You
know,
one
of
the
cross
streets
to
paseo
is
galasteo
where
they
have
on
street
parking
and
then
I
believe,
a
bike
lane
and
then
the
roadway.
So
how
would
it
work
in
in
those
situations?
Would
it
I?
I
don't
know
if
you've
seen
those
situations
or
not.
I
The
the
really
the
the
only
option
for
that
would
be
to
switch
the
the
parking,
but
I
don't
know
I
mean
galisteo
there
again,
that's
a
place
with
a
lot
of
driveways
when
you
have
a
the
parking
lane
and
then
the
bike
lane
on
the
inside,
you
have
to
stop
the
parking.
You
know
you
have
to
provide
enough
space
so
that
people
can
still
see
around
the
cars
to
see
people
biking
and
for
the
people
biking
to
see
cars.
I
B
Right
and
it
looked
like,
it
was
working
or
worked
really
well
on
paseo
del
sol,
because
it
was
a
dedicated
bike
lane
that
could
then
be
separated,
and
that
looked
like
it
really
worked.
Well,
do
you
see
challenges
with
really
the
downtown
area,
which
has
some
of
the
challenges
that
I've
brought
up
earlier
versus,
potentially
on
the
south
side,
which
has
dedicated
bike
lanes
already
that
we
just
need
the
separation.
I
When
you
get
into
the
high
speed
roads
and
the
higher
traffic
volumes
where
having
protection
becomes
so
much
more
important
and
then
also
there
is
an
issue
with
when
you
have
a
ton
of
entrance
and
access
points,
it
makes
it
more
challenging
to
have
a
protected
bike
lane.
It's
it's
not
impossible.
There
are
ways
to
either
close
driveways.
If
you
can
or
mark
it
really
well
make
things
really
visible,
but
yeah.
I
think
it
it.
It's
all
very,
like
case
dependent
and
and
context
dependent.
B
Turning
or
bike
demarcations
on
on
the
pavement
that
show
that
that's
definitely
a
bike
lane,
but
then
there's
a
turning
lane.
So
the
bike
lane
goes
straight
and
then
there's
a
turning
lane
and
I'm
just
curious
if
you've
seen
any
of
those
situations
and
and
how
they're
handled.
I
Yeah,
that's
a
great
question:
it
does
get
a
little
technical.
I
think
there
are
different
ways
to
to
handle
that
off
the
top
of
my
head.
I
guess
I'm
not
sure
what
would
be
the
best
treatment
for
that
situation.
I
You
know
if
it's
just
ending
the
bike
lane
or
ending
the
protection
and
keeping
the
green
stripe
to
make
it
really
obvious
that
it's
still
a
bike
lane,
but
the
bollards
would
get
in
the
way.
Yeah
I
mean,
I
think
I've
seen
before,
where
you
kind
of
have
the
bike
lane
across
the
turn
lane.
So
then
you
have
the
right
turn
lane
the
bike
lane
and
you
could
protect
it
on
both
sides
and
have
it
be
a
channel
and
then
the
vehicle
going
straight
lane,
but
yeah
that
would
get.
I
I
think
you
know
that's
where
we
would
really
need
to
pull
in
an
engineer,
a
traffic
engineer
to
to
help
design
that
in
the
best
way,.
B
Yeah
and
then
the
green
bike
path
lanes
were
put
in
to
do
what
we're
doing
now
in
in
studying
it,
and
I'm
not
really
sure
I
I
saw
the
results
of
that
study.
John
romero
is
no
longer
here.
I
don't
know
if
anyone
has
those
results
or
has
been
looking
at
them.
I
That's
another
great
question
right:
that
was
the
2015
green
lane
pilot
project
and
I
I
believe
the
premise
of
it
was:
they
were
testing
out
different
application
styles
of
green
paint
and
to
my
knowledge
there
has
not
been
follow-up.
I
That's
something
that
I
personally
personally
am
interested
in
doing
digging
through
our
files
to
figure
out
which
application
was
in
which
location
and
then
taking
pictures.
Some
of
it
actually
already
has
been
paved
over
on
camino
carlos
ray
when
they
repaved
it
so
yeah.
I
don't
have
a
better
answer
for
you
than
that
other
than
yeah,
like
you
said,
I
think
the
original
players
are
are
gone
and
it's
kind
of
still
a
thing
dangling
out
there,
but
that,
oh,
it
looks
like
eric
might
have
a
response.
J
J
Called
the
county
of
los
alamos
we'll
be
installing
some
green
lane.
They
were
reflecting
on
specifically
council
rivera
the
effectiveness
and
the
durability
of
the
richards
product.
There
were
three
different
products
put
on
the
roadways
in
santa
fe
at
the
time,
so
I
sent
him
that
information
about
what
polymer
and
what
particular
project
product
was
put
on
richard.
So
it's
just
kind
of
a
coincidence,
but
the
richards
particular
green
lanes
have
held
up
fantastic
over
the
six
seven
years.
B
J
B
Yeah
and
then
last
question
leah,
the
durability
of
these
pop-up
devices
and
then
who
maintains
them
or
who
would
maintain
them
here
in
santa
fe.
I
Actually,
I've
learned
they're,
actually
not
that
durable,
and
so
I
think
they're
just
for
like
temporary,
we'll
leave
them
up
and
then
put
them
back
into
storage
and
we're
working
with
the
streets
department
to
on
the
on
the
setup
and
takedown
and
they
and
we
have
a
storage
location
in
the
basement
of
one
of
our
parking
garages
in
terms
of
a
permanent
installation.
I
I
think
we
would
we
would
use
different
equipment
and
the
durability
of
those
would
be
a
lot
better
and
there's
there's
just
a
lot
of
different
options
that
you
can
do
for
a
permanent
installation,
including
one
of
my
favorites.
Is
this
steel
curb
and
then
you
get
these
little
plastic
things
that
go
up
on
it
and
they
can
do
like
cool
waves
and
anyways.
I
think
that
they're,
that
that
will
be
a
consideration
for
permanent,
I
think
the
durability
of
our
of
our
temporary
demonstration
project
equipment.
I
think
it'll
be
it'll,
be
fine.
I
B
Okay,
thank
you
any
other
questions.
B
Don't
see
any,
thank
you
leah.
Thank
you
eric
for
the
presentation,
very
valuable,
something
that's
really
important
to
our
community,
so
appreciate
the
presentation.
K
Yes,
judith
gabriel.
Thank
you,
chair
rivera
and
members
of
the
committee.
I
am
going
to
repeat
some
of
the
things
that
leah
talked
about
and
I'm
going
to
share
my
screen
and
open
my
presentation.
K
So
first
thank
you
for
making
time
for
us
on
the
agenda
this
evening
to
talk
about
the
b
pack
and
some
of
the
work
that
we're
doing
and
a
survey
that
we
conducted.
K
My
name
is
judith
gabriel,
and
I
am
the
subcommittee
chair
for
the
promotion,
education
and
programming
subcommittee,
and
I
think
you
received
a
fairly
large
power
point
in
your
packets
and
I
am
going
to
skip
many
of
the
sorry.
Many
of
the
pages
that
I
gave
you
at
the
beginning.
But
I
do
want
you
to
look
at
the
purpose
of
the
b
pack
and
I
I
want
to
let
you
know
that
a
great
deal
of
our
work
is
done
through.
K
K
K
So
am
I
showing
my
presentation
or
is
somebody
else
doing
something.
B
It's
still
the
same,
you
know,
but
you
can
continue.
I
think
most
of
us
have
the
slide
deck
that
you
sent
this.
K
K
Okay,
so
back
to
the
purpose
of
the
of
the
b
pack.
So
can
you
see
the
slide
for
purpose
of
the
b
pack
right?
Now?
Yes,
okay,
this
is
our
purpose
and
most
of
our
work
is
conducted
through
our
subcommittees
and
there
are
three
there's
planning
policy
and
law,
promotion,
education
and
programming
and
technical
review,
and
I
also
want
to
acknowledge
our
chair,
counselor,
michael
garcia
and
our
staff
liaison
romello
glorioso
moss
they're,
both
a
tremendous
asset
to
our
committee,
and
we
really
appreciate
their
leadership
and
support.
K
So
you
did
get
some
background
slides
that
you
can
certainly
look
at
later.
That
talks
a
little
bit
more
about
our
subcommittees,
but
I
know
we
have
limited
time,
so
I
want
to
talk
about
a
survey
that
bpac
conducted
in
collaboration
with
the
santa
fe
mpo.
It
was
not
the
same
survey
that
leah
talked
about,
but
we
collaborated
so
that
we
would
be
sharing
some
of
the
same
questions,
so
we
could
be
gathering
some
common
data.
K
This
survey
took
place
last
fall
the
weekend
of
the
santa
fe
century
and
for
about
a
month
afterwards-
and
I
want
to
thank
shannon
jones
public
utilities-
department
director
who
I
know
is
at
this
meeting
for
providing
water
bottles,
and
that
was
our
very
first
outreach
event
which
we
considered
to
be
extremely
successful.
K
We
did
have
a
much
larger
response
to
our
survey
than
we
anticipated
and
received
some
really
good
information.
We're
going
to
share
the
highlights
of
our
survey
with
you
tonight
and
seek
your
support
for
the
b
pack,
so
district
1
was
overrepresented
in
districts.
3
and
4
were
underrepresented
in
the
survey.
K
K
K
The
survey
also
indicates
that
very
few
people
bite
to
school,
but
it's
much
more
likely
that
this
is
a
reflection
of
respondent
age.
More
than
anything
else
about
40
50
54
of
survey,
respondents
were
61
and
older
and
none
were
24
or
younger.
This
is,
however,
a
really
important
issue
to
us,
and
the
b-pack
is
involved
in
the
safe
routes
to
school,
where
we
hope
to
get
more
children
more
actively
transporting
themselves
to
school.
K
When
respondents
were
asked
what
kind
of
bike
slash
pedestrian
infrastructure
does
santa
fe
need
that
we
don't
currently
have
a
resounding
90
percent
of
them
said
protected
bike
lanes?
You
can
see
that
bikeways
that
connect
to
the
south
side
are
also
desired
by
a
significant
percentage
of
respondents.
K
These
are
images
from
the
protected
bike,
lane
pilot
project
and,
as
leah
mentioned,
protected
bike
lanes
are
the
top
sided
desired
infrastructure
and
they're
good
for
cyclists.
Pedestrians
and
drivers
cyclists
feel
safer
with
a
dedicated
lane.
Pedestrians
can
enjoy
walking
on
the
sidewalk
without
cars,
whizzing
close
by
and
drivers
slow
down.
K
It's
a
win-win
situation,
and
I
have
to
admit,
after
the
previous
conversation
that
I
regret
using
this
middle
slide,
this
middle
image
a
bit,
because
I
think
it
actually
gives
the
wrong
impression
of
why
pedestrians
enjoy
protected
bike
lanes
which
is
really
being
separated
from
cars.
K
K
These
pictures
are
good
examples
of
connectivity
in
santa
fe,
with
the
first
being
the
bridge
between
the
is
from
the
asekia
trail
to
the
frenchies
field,
neighborhood
that
then
connects
with
the
river
trail.
The
second
is
a
connection
from
the
rail
trail
between
2nd
street
and
alta
vista
that
connects
to
monterey,
drive
and
surrealist
road
and
the
bacca
street
area.
K
A
bicycle
and
pedestrian
friendly
city
that
embrace
braces
multimodal
transportation
needs
to
ensure
year-round
maintenance
of
trails
and
roadways.
The
image
on
the
left
here
is
the
same
passage.
You
just
saw
that
connects
the
rail
trail
to
monterey
drive,
but
here
it's
an
example
of
a
snowy
and
icy
trail.
Dangerous
for
pedestrians
and
cyclists.
Connectivity
is
worthless
if
people
won't
take
the
trail
because
it
feels
unsafe.
K
K
K
K
We
advocate
for
the
development
and
maintenance
of
a
system
of
trails
and
roads
that
allow
people
from
all
over
the
city
to
actively
conveniently
and
safely
transport
themselves
to
the
places
they
need
to
go
all
year
long.
We
can't
stress
enough
the
importance
of
equity
being
able
to
actively
transport
ourselves
to
work,
school
shopping
and
other
places
we
need
to
go
throughout.
The
city
can
reduce
the
personal
burden
of
owning
and
maintaining
a
vehicle.
K
It
also
provides
opportunities
for
healthy
and
active
living
to
all
of
santa
fe's
residents
and
then
there's
the
added
benefit
of
fewer
cars
on
the
road
and
reduced
emissions.
The
city's
river
trail,
which
I'm
sure
many
of
you
are
familiar
with,
is
really
popular
for
many
of
the
reasons
listed
on
this
slide.
K
Creating
and
managing
such
an
infrastructure
requires
the
resources
and
approaches
listed
here.
We
believe
in
an
equitable
holistic
approach
in
planning
and
development
that
would
involve
many
city
departments
and
community
sectors
and
populations,
finance
parks
and
rec
planning,
engineering,
public
health,
community
development
and
a
diversity
of
community
perspectives.
K
Whenever
development
takes
place,
the
city
should
consider
the
public
health
safety
and
environmental
impacts,
for
example,
are
resources
being
distributed
in
an
equitable
manner?
Does
a
planned
roadway,
encourage
active
transportation
or
just
add
more
cars?
Will
active
users
feel
safe
using
the
byways
if
santa
fe
is
truly
committed
to
a
culture
of
wellness,
inclusion
and
environmental
sustainability
we'll
make
these
investments
given
the
influx
of
federal
infrastructure
dollars
expected
at
the
state
and
local
level?
This
is
the
time
to
up
our
game
for
sustainable
active
transportation
system.
K
B
B
K
We
actually
have
the
demographics,
we
have
some
demographic
slides
that
we
did
not
include.
We
could
share
them
with
you,
chair,
chair
rivera.
I
will
say
that
it's
my
understanding
that
surveys
in
santa
fe
are
quite
often
more
geared
towards
the
older
population.
We
all
know
that
this
is
an
older
city
and
you
saw
that
most
of
the
people
who
responded
to
the
survey
were
older.
We
did
do
it
beyond
just
the
weekend
of
the
santa
fe
century.
K
We
are
concerned
that
we
did
not
reach
more
people
in
districts,
three
and
four,
where
a
lot
of
younger
families
live
and
and
we're
happy
to
share
all
of
our
data
for
demographics,
not
for
the
I
don't
know
for
the
santa
fe
century.
Somebody
else
on
this
meeting
may
know
that,
but
for
the
survey
takers.
B
If
you
can
share,
if
you
can
get
it
to
miss
jamie
ray
diaz
and
then
she
can
forward
it
to
all
members
of
the
committee,
that
would
be
great
and
then
so
I
don't
know
if
maybe
district
three
didn't
participate
as
much
because
really
the
second.
The
second
trail
for
us
here
on
the
south
side
ends
at
fairly
lane,
and
I
know
we're
trying
to
get
it
all
the
way
out
to
south
meadows,
which
would
then
allow
us
to
have
connectivity
to
many
other
areas,
but
for
right
now.
That's
where
it
ends.
B
So
that
may
be
one
reason
for
that:
limited
input
and-
and
I
think
you
know-
probably
not
a
whole
lot
of
residents
from
the
south
side-
have
a
lot
of
time
to
participate
in
the
in
the
century,
bike
ride
in
and
oftentimes
it's
it's
hard
to
get
surveys
done
on
this
side
of
town
for
for
any
reason,
so
that
may
be
part
of
it.
But
thank
you
for
your
presentation.
B
I
look
forward
to
the
other
information
that
you're
going
to
send
to
miss
diaz
and
looks
like
I'm
the
only
one
that
had
questions
unless
there's
something
else:
counselor
michael
garcia,.
E
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
On
the
point
of
the
survey,
we
did
put
out
a
public
request
for
the
city
of
santa
fe
residents
to
complete
the
survey,
so
we
kind
of
did
initiate
it
with
the
beginning
of
the
century
ride.
But
then
we
did
a
formal
press
release
through
our
normal
networks,
to
put
it
out,
and-
and
I
agree
with
you
completely
mr
chair-
that
we
need
to
do
everything
we
can
to
get
equitable
responses
from
all
districts.
E
But
I
know
that
that's
just
the
challenge
we
always
see,
and
so
I
think
when
we
do
something
like
this
in
the
future,
we
need
to
work
with
our
community
partners
in
the
area.
I
think
earthcare
is
a
great
partner
that
helps
to
get
results
for
district
3
constituents.
E
But
if
you
have
any
other
recommendations
on
how
we
can
increase
whether
it's
district,
1,
2,
3
or
4,
I
think
we're
all
ears.
What
we
want
to
do
is
ensure,
as
vpac
is
moving
forward,
that
we
have
full
equitable
responses
from
everybody
in
the
community
because,
as
you
can
see,
this
bpac
committee
members
are
they're,
excited
and
enthused
to
really
improve
biking
and
pedestrian
activity
in
the
city,
and
we
with
it's
critical
that
we
hear
from
the
community
to
ensure
that
that
happens
with
that.
E
I
just
also
want
to
thank
judith
and
all
the
bpac
members
that
did
show
up.
I
see
mr
spencer,
miss
eisenstein,
mr
pingley.
I
think
mr
beau,
I
can't
see
if
I
see
any
more,
if
I
sorry
if
I
missed
you,
I'm
quickly
going
through
mr
gurlitz,
but
they're
they're
fantastic.
This
is
a
committee.
That's
really
excited
about
changing
the
way
we
have
access
for
biking
in
in
the
city,
so
so
with
that.
Thank
you
to
all
the
members
that
showed
up
tonight.
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
B
Yeah
definitely
much
appreciated
counselor
lee
garcia.
Did
you
have
your
hand.
A
Can't
say
sorry
yeah,
I
I
did
have
some
questions,
but
they
were
answered
on
the
previous
dialogue.
I
think
just
at
this
point
take
time
to
once
again
just
give
my
comments
of
the
best
opportunity
for
us
at
this
point
in
districts,
three
and
four
to
create
connectivity,
and
I
think,
council
rivera
you.
You
raise
the
point
of
the
bike
trail,
that's
towards
the
back
there
farley
lane
towards
swan
park
and
possibly
connectivity
to
meadows,
which
would
give
people
the
opportunity
to
access.
A
Then
all
the
way
down
to
the
bike,
trails
that
are
down
biographia
and
so
on
and
so
forth.
But
I
I
think
that
the
biggest
opportunity
for
people
to
be
able
to
get
on
on
a
trail
and
connect
through
a
road
and
so
on
and
so
forth,
but
district
4
in
district
3
definitely
has
great
opportunity
to
to
do
that.
And
so
that
was
just
my
comment.
But
thank
you
for
all
your
work.
B
Thank
you
counselor,
so
counselor,
michael
garcia,
you
asked
a
question
about
who
might
be
good
help
in
in
getting
a
survey
at
and
you
did
touch
on.
Earth
care,
boys
and
girls.
Club
is
another
one,
I'm
sure
councilwoman
chavez
in
the
schools.
B
I
don't
know
if
they
can
help
out,
but
I'm
sure
they
have
a
lot
of
people
that
use
the
trails,
especially
in
district
3
and
4,
when
the
weather
warms
up
a
little
bit
that
utilize
them
to
bike
to
school.
So
those
are
just
some
real,
quick
ideas,
but
I
do
appreciate
the
presentation
and
the
efforts
and
we'll
get
there.
B
I
did
want
to
ask
miss
claudio
somas
and
she's
on
about
that
arroyo,
chamiso
trail
and
if
she
can
update
the
committee
and
everyone
here,
that's
giving
presentations
on
the
trail
that
I
just
spoke
about.
L
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
Currently
we
have
three
trails
that
are
in
district
three,
that
are,
we
are
working
on
and
they
are
content
that
trail
from
buffalo
grass
to
south
meadows.
Oh
yes
and
it's
we
are
at
sixty
percent
design
and
we
will
have
a
public
meeting
tomorrow.
L
I
sent
the
zoom
invite
to
every
every
counselors,
but
especially
to
you
and
counselor
amanda
chavez
and
counselor
lee
garcia.
Another
one
is
is
the
we're
planning
for
the
second
trail
that
will
link
to
tierra
contented
trail.
That's
another
another
trail
that
we
are
working
on
and
we
are
expecting
the
design
to
be
completed
in
a
year
and
a
half.
L
I
think
those
are
the
two
main
main
trail
projects
regarding
arroyo.
Chamiso
arroyo,
chomiso
trail.
I'm
not
I'm
not
aware
of
that
project.
Miss
mr
chair.
B
L
Yeah,
so
we're
we're
hiring
we're
hiring.
L
Western
solutions,
they
will
start
this
project,
designing
this
project
in
april
and
we're
very
excited
because
this
is
the
first
trail
that
we
are
going
to
use
the
green
infrared
in
green
infrastructure,
design
for
store
for
controlling
storm
water
and
reducing
the
heat
island
effects
in
this
area
or
in
this
neighborhood.
B
All
right-
and
I
don't
know
if
there's
anyone
on
that-
can
really
explain
the
river
trail
to
me.
So
I
know
it's.
It
goes
through
a
lot
of
downtown
west
alameda
a
beautiful
trail,
but
then
there
are
areas
where
it
stops
and
there
are
areas
where
the
county
has
done
small
portions,
but
it
doesn't
all
connect
yet
do
we
know
what
this
situation
is
with
that
true.
B
L
I
Please
sure
yes
yeah
members
of
the
committee
and
chair,
so
the
currently,
as
I
think
probably
everyone
knows
it
ends
at
siler
road.
The
county
is
constructing
from
siler
road
to
san
ysidro
last
night.
The
last
update
I
had
was
that
they
were
doing
that
this
summer
and
then
from
san
ysidro
to
kaha
del
oro.
Grant
road
has
is
soft
surface,
but
it
is
ada
compliant.
Actually,
then
it
turns
into
there's
a
section
that
is
asphalt
and
then
so.
I
The
next
section
that
that
will
need
to
be
completed
is
from
caja
del
oro
grant
road
to
the
where
it
picks
up
where
it
starts
again
kind
of
at
san
felipe
there's
a
little
turn
off
of
san
felipe
and
then
there's
that
section
down
to
constellation,
drive
and
so
to
my
knowledge,
part
of
that
trail
is
in
county.
The
majority
of
it
is
in
the
city.
We
are
looking
at
speeding
up
the
section
from
el
camino
rail
academy
to
the
cottonwood
village
mobile
home
park.
I
I
What
we're
calling
the
south
side
greenway
loop,
which
will
form
a
loop
with
the
sakia
trail,
that's
being
as
ramallah
mentioned,
will
be
the
design
will
start
in
april
and
then
south
meadows,
so
not
a
total
greenway
loop,
but
there
will
be,
you
know,
basically
a
loop
there,
so
we
are
looking
at
trying
to
elevate
the
funding
timeline
for
that,
the
complicating
factor
is
that
river
restoration
has
to
be
done
at
the
same
time
and
the
federal
funds
that
are
usually
used
to
build
these
trails
like
camp
can't
be
used
for
river
restoration,
so
other
funds
will
have
to
be
found
to
do
the
river
restoration.
I
You
know-
probably
you
know,
I
think
there'd
have
to
be
some
funding
arrangement
or
some
something
like
that,
but
but
I
think
that
it
sounds
like
they
are
willing
to
help
make
this
happen.
So
hopefully
that
answers
your
question.
I'm
happy
to
try
and
answer
any
other
questions
about
that.
Yeah.
B
I
Is
yeah
so
the
county?
They
they
put
up
a
bond
to
fund
all
of
the
trill
that
they've
built
so
far,
and
so
they
haven't
run
into
the
issue
of
federal
funds
not
being
able
to
fund
river
restoration
because
they're
just
funding
it
from
their
bonds.
H
Yeah,
chairman
of
our,
I
just
had
a
comment
in
regards
to
the
survey.
K
H
Thank
you.
I
just
wanted
to
say
I
think,
with
district
3
and
district
4.
I
think
they
really
require
intentional
reach
out
and
respond
a
lot
better
to
face
to
face.
I
think
partners
are
really
great,
but
there's
times
that
there's
scheduled
gatherings
like
I'm
gonna
bring
up
the
bike
to
school
events.
H
You
know
parents
and
school
leaders
all
meet
at
a
specific
location,
and
that
would
be
really
good
for
face-to-face
interaction
and
to
get
some
of
those
surveys
complete
and
what's
really
important,
I
think
with
those
two
districts
with
some
community
members
in
those
two
districts,
it
also
gives
them
the
opportunity
to
look
learn
more
about
certain
things.
H
We're
doing
a
survey
on
right,
so
we
want
to
expose
them
to
trails
in
santa
fe
and
kind
of
educate
them
on
what
we
have
going
on
in
regards
to
riding
a
bike
to
school
or
to
walking
plus
we're
gonna
be
getting
information
and
feedback
from
them
as
well.
So
I
think
they
respond
really
well
to
face-to-face
interactions
and
with
the
district,
the
sustainability
department.
They
are
really
a
big
piece
of
that
bike
to
school.
Who
could
help
in
kind
of
collecting
that
data?
H
But
I
would
just
encourage
that,
like
intentional
face-to-face
conversations
and
soliciting
feedback
with
those
community
members,
I
think
it
means
a
lot
to
them
and
makes
them
a
lot
more
comfortable
with
sharing
information
out.
B
Thank
you,
councillor
chavez
and
just
one
follow-up
to
that.
Judith
were
your
were
any
of
your
surveys
in
spanish.
B
B
Anything
else
from
committee
members
again,
thank
you
for
the
presentation.
Much
appreciated
we're
on
the
item
c,
the
santa
fe
water
resources
indicator
a
tool
to
guide
seasonal
conversa
conservation
policy
for
city
and
county
water,
utility
customers.
Jesse
welcome.
N
N
Are
you
able
to
see
that
slide
santa
fe
water
resources
indicator?
Yes,
great?
Okay,
so
I
just
wanted
to
start
with
sort
of
the
utility
perspective
as
how
it
differs
in
some
ways,
from
a
community
perspective
when
we
think
about
water
resources
from
sort
of
a
strictly
in
our
house
utility
perspective.
N
We
feel
pretty
good
about
where
we
are:
we've
reduced,
total
water
demand
by
33
percent
in
the
last
25
years,
even
while
the
surf
population
has
increased
by
25
percent,
the
groundwater
levels
in
our
well
fields
are
rising
and
we
currently
estimate
that
we
use
about
three
quarters
of
our
estimated
renewable
supply,
so
we
feel
pretty
pretty
good
about
where
we
are
and
that's
not
by
accident.
It's
it's
20,
20
plus
years
of
very
hard
work
by
the
community
and
by
the
utility,
but
from
the
community
perspective
we
are
in
a
mega.
N
So
one
of
the
ways
to
think
about
that
is
is:
when
do
we
as
a
utility
want
to
ask
for
or
require
more
conservation
from
our
customers
and
one
way
to
think
about
it
is
a
hypothetical
question
that
you
might
receive
from
a
constituent
it
hasn't
rained
in
months,
and
all
I
read
about
in
the
newspaper
is
drought.
N
Why
aren't
you
asking
me
to
do
more
or
why
aren't
you
telling
me
to
do
more
and
so
again
we're
trying
to
come
up
with
and
there's
two
pieces
to
this
and
the
piece
that
I'm
presenting
now
is
really
the
technical
tool
that
that
allows
us
to
decide
what
sort
of
policy
we
would
pursue,
but
we
have
not
developed
the
policy
yet
the
actual
policy
to,
and
so
what
I'm
going
to
show
is
this
water
resources
indicator.
N
The
actual
policy
response
to
different
levels
of
this
indicator
will
be
developed
by
engagement
with
the
city's
water
conservation
committee
and
the
county's
water
policy,
advisory
committee
and
direct
public
outreach
and
that's
being
led
by
christine
chavis
and
our
water
conservation
group
and
then
real
briefly-
and
I
won't
go
too
long
to
this.
But
but
this
indicator
is
not
is
not
for
a
few
different
things.
N
So
there's
there's
sort
of
three
different
time
scales
that
we
as
a
utility
plan
for
one
of
them,
is
sort
of
a
dramatic,
catastrophic
unforeseen
supply
disruption
that
lasts
days
to
weeks
and
that's
something
we
think
about
internally.
We
don't
really
talk
about
very
much
there's.
Also,
the
long-term
planning:
what
are
we
going
to
do
in
the
next
20
30
40
50
years,
and
we've
talked
about
that
in
in
other
places,
and
that's
our
long
long
range
water
resources
planning?
N
What
I'm
showing
tonight
is
really
the
technical
tool
that
we're
developing
to
guide
us
in
our
year-to-year
seasonal
conservation
policy
and
essentially,
what
we're
trying
to
do
here
is
weight.
How
healthy
we
feel
like
our
groundwater
resources
are
how
healthy
we
feel
like
our
surface.
Water
resources
are,
and
what's
the
sort
of
overall
regional
drought
intensity,
so
we're
proposing
40
of
the
weight
of
this
whole
indicator
is
based
on
our
groundwater
wells.
So
these
are
sort
of
our
drought-proof
savings
account.
N
We
only
really
have
an
indirect
estimate
of
the
total
water
that's
available,
but
we
can
see
if
the
water
levels
in
the
wells
are
going
up
and
down
through
time
and
over
time
we
don't
want
to
pump
more
than
than
what's
being
recharged,
and
so
those
levels
should
be
either
stable
or
rising.
That's
our
goal.
N
I'm
going
to
skip
the
last
two
bullets
and
then
30
of
the
weight
of
the
indicator.
We
are
going
to
attribute
to
the
water,
that's
in
our
reservoirs
and
that's
sort
of
we
think
of
as
our
checkings
account
it's
renewable
and
we
know
with
very
high
accuracy.
How
much
is
there
when
we
use
it
up?
We
have
to
go
to
the
savings
account.
N
That's
when
we
turn
to
the
web
fields
and
then
the
finding
final
30
percent
of
the
weight
of
this
indicator
would
be
based
on
regional
drought
conditions,
as
summarized
by
the
us
drought
monitor,
and
this
is
something
that
I
think
people
are
pretty
aware
of
so
because
this
is
such
a
pack
agenda.
N
If
we've
used
more
than
2
000
acre
feet
a
year
for
the
last
10
years
on
average,
then
we've
we're
hitting
it
harder
than
we
want
to
and
similar
for
the
buckmin
well
field,
but
the
numbers
are
a
little
higher,
because
the
well
field's
a
little
bit
bigger
what's
interesting,
though,
is
is
once
we
assign
these
values
to
these
different
well
fields.
We
can
plot
through
time
and
again
now.
This
is
a
scale
from
0
to
10,
where
0
is
from
a
utility
perspective.
N
According
to
this
indicator,
there
they
have
been
very
well
rested
and
both
well
fields
are
ready
to
be
used
as
much
as
we
need
them
and
then,
similarly,
on
the
surface
water
side
of
thing
and
and
again,
this
is
only
30
of
the
total
water
supply
indicator.
We
have
chosen
numbers
based
on
the
relative
size
of
these
two
resources
as
to
whether
we're
in
bad
shape,
meaning,
there's
basically
no
water
in
the
reservoirs
or
we're
in
good
shape,
meaning
the
reservoirs
are
full
or
sort
of
at
a
maximum.
N
What
we
could
produce
what
we
would
need
to
produce
in
a
given
year
in
the
case
of
of
bdd
in
the
san
juan
chamber,
and
when
we
put
those
numbers
together
and
plot
them
through
time,
then
we
see
the
santa
fe
river
alone
kind
of
bounces
around
just
depending
on
how
full
the
reservoirs
are,
and
then
the
the
bdd
indicator
started
at
zero
because
we
had
no
way
to
access
that
water
and
that
bounces
up
in
2011,
and
it
goes
up
and
down
based
on
on
what's
in
the
reservoirs
and
again,
because
the
bdd
is
so
much
larger
potential
resource
than
the
santa
fe
river.
N
It's
weighted
higher
in
this
in
this
surface,
water
portion
and
the
two
combined
together
are
the
dark
blue
line
that
show
us
kind
of
limited
surface
water
resources
until
the
bdd
comes
online
and
then
much
better
surface
water
availability
that
goes
up
and
down
seasonally
with
reservoir
levels
and
then,
finally,
the
last
30
percent
of
this
indicator
is
based
on
the
us:
drought,
monitor
map
and
actually
just
specifically
to
santa
fe
county.
And
so
I
think,
every
week
or
two
weeks,
I'm
not
exactly
sure.
N
But,
but
more
often
than
every
month,
this
data
is
updated
for
santa
fe
county
and
it's
on
a
scale
of
drought,
intensity,
from
no
drought
up
to
exceptional
drought,
so
there's
five
different
levels,
and
so
we're
just
assigning
those
levels
of
10
and
again
our
surface
water
resource
indicator.
10
is
everything,
is
great.
Zero
is
we're
in
really
bad
shape,
and
so
we
just
take
the
santa
fe
county
value
and
we
assign
a
value
based
on
that,
and
this
is
what
that
has
looked
like
since
the
beginning
of
the
century.
N
It's
it's
sort
of
cycled
up
and
down
on
kind
of
like
a
five-year
cycle.
Interestingly,
when
we
put
those
three
together
and
so
now
in
the
background
we
have
the
groundwater
indicator,
the
surface
water
indicator
and
the
drought
indicator.
And
again
the
groundwater
indicator
is
40,
because
that's
really
our
drought
reserve,
the
surface
water
is
30
and
the
regional
drought
indicator
is
30
and
what's
amazing
is
when
we
put
those
together
and
create
this
surface
water
resources
indicator
for
santa
fe.
N
We've
gone
from
a
place
where
we
were
in
tough
shape
to
start
out
the
century,
but
conservation
and
bdd,
mostly
together,
have
allowed
us
to
climb
up
to
you,
know,
being
in
really
good
shape,
still
being
pulled
down
some
by
the
regional
drought
and
again,
this
is
a
technical
tool
that
we
can
use
to
determine
sort
of.
What's
the
what
what's
the
health
of
our
water
resources
and
what
sort
of
conservation
should
we
ask
for
from
the
community
in
a
way,
that's
predictable?
N
N
The
middle
zone
would
probably
be
voluntary
requesting
voluntary
conservation
and
then
the
top
top
two
zones
would
probably
differ
just
in
terms
of
the
messaging
the
amount
of
effort
we're
trying
to
communicate
with
stakeholders,
but
one
of
the
other
really
sort
of
interesting
and
and
from
our
perspective,
satisfying
things
about
this
result
is
for
those
of
us
who
are
around
in
2002.
N
This
is
when
the
parks
we
didn't
have
enough
water
to
put
on
parks,
we're
still
recovering
in
some
ways
from
what
happened
here,
but
we've
also
created
an
ethic
of
conservation
and
and
thinking
to
the
future,
based
on
on
these
really
tough
times
that
we
went
through
and
they
are
reflected
in
in
this
indicator-
and
I
guess
just
one
last
piece
is
that
a
few
weeks
ago,
maybe
last
month,
a
lot
of
us
were
aware
of
this
interesting
study.
N
That
said
the
last
22
years,
so
the
years
from
2000
through
2021
are
the
driest
22
years
in
the
tree
ring
record
since
at
least
800
a.d,
so
the
the
the
biggest
mega
drought
we've
seen
in
more
than
a
thousand
years,
and
I
think
it's
very
heartening
for
us
as
a
community,
to
look
at
what
we've
managed
to
do.
What
the
leadership
of
this
city
has
managed
to
do
in
that
same
time,
period
to
build
our
water
resources,
resiliency
and
council
romero.
N
Wirth
had
a
my
view,
opinion
piece
in
the
new
mexican
a
couple
weeks
ago
talking
about
exactly
that,
and
so
I
just
want
to
take
my
hats
off
to
to
everybody
who
all
the
hard
work
that
has
been
done
by
leadership
here
over
the
last
22
years
to
to
put
us
in
a
really
strong
position
from
a
water
resources
perspective,
even
during
the
driest
22-year
period
for
at
least
a
thousand
years,
and
so
with
that
I
will
stop
my
share
and
stand
for
questions.
B
I
don't
see
any
right
now,
jesse,
I
have
a
question,
so
we
do
have
a
ordinance
in
the
books
that
talks
about
the
different
stages
of
drought
and
then
what
kind
of
restrictions
or
watering
conservation
methods
we
would
we
would
put
into
place
at
that?
Are
you
looking
at
revamping
that.
N
It's
very
insightful
and,
and
then
the
short
answer
is
yes,
and
so
the
idea
here
is
that
that
code
is
a
little
bit
outdated
and
we
are
looking
at
updating
that,
but
also
looking
to
see
if
we
could
guide
that
policy
with
something
a
little
bit
more
quantitative
or
objective
rather
than
being
too
subjective,
and
so
we
would
essentially,
at
the
beginning
of
the
year,
look
at
what
the
water
resources
indicator
said
and
then
set
out
that
this
year
we
are
going
to
be
in
no
pro:
no,
no
drought,
restrictions
or
drought.
N
N
I
think
it's
it's
a
good
question,
because
we
are,
we
do
just
look
at
the
reservoir
levels,
but
we
can
project
out
on
those
reservoir
levels,
and
so
what
we
would
do
is
in
march
or
april,
when
we
have
a
sense
of
the
snowpack.
B
A
little
bit,
but
what
would
you
say
to
the
residents
that
feel
like
we?
They
don't
understand
why
we're
in
a
drought
right
now.
N
I
guess
I
I
would
say
I
mean
what
this
indicator
is
trying
to
incorporate
is
the
that,
even
if
our
reservoirs
are
completely
full,
there
is
an
opportunity
during
mega
drought,
to
ask
people
to
tell
people
things
are
dry,
we're
in
good
shape
now,
but
but
go
ahead
and
and
conserve
a
little
bit
for
for
folks
to
say
you
know,
I
think,
we're
fine.
Why
are
you
asking
me
to
conserve
it
all?
N
I
think
that
this
indicator
would
reflect
back
and
and
to
the
fact
of
us
being
all
say
yeah
this
year
the
reservoirs
are
full,
but
the
last
five
years
we
have
used
more
groundwater
than
we
want
to
use,
and
so
we
need
to
let
that
rest,
and
so
that's
why
we're
still
asking
for
some
conservation.
As
we
come
out
of
this
drought,
okay,.
B
Great
thank
you.
Jesse
appreciate
that
encounter
michael
garcia.
E
Thank
you,
mr
chair
jesse,
quick
question
for
you
on
slide
number
nine.
E
This
is
the
slide
where
you
kind
of
talked
about
a
five-year
cyclical
cycle,
and
it
looks
like-
and
I
guess,
if
you
can
help
me
understand
her
because
it
looks
like
we
had
a
deep
spike
beginning
with
january
20.,
and
then
it
leveled
off
at
zero
from
the
way
it
reads
most
to
21,
and
then
it
has
that
spike
back
up.
E
So
what
is
what
did
that
mean
when
we're
at
zero
was?
Can
you
help
help
me
understand
what
that
means.
N
Sure,
chair
rivera
counselor,
mike
garcia,
appreciate
the
question.
Am
I
on
the
right
slide
here?
Yes,
sir
yeah?
Okay,
so
these
numbers
come
from
the
u.s
drought
monitor,
which
is
a
syria,
a
bunch
of
experts
who
get
together
and
look
at
drought
data
and
determine-
and
in
this
case,
what
all
the?
What
this
means
is
that
those
folks
said
that
santa
fe
county
at
about
the
let's
say,
maybe
at
the
very
end
of
2021
or
2020
in
the
very
beginning
of
21,
that
the
entire
county,
the
entire
santa
fe
county,
was
in
exceptional
drought.
N
So
the
entire
county
for
in
those
maps,
was
this
deep
shade
of
red,
considered,
exceptional
drought,
and
so
the
indicator
sub
indicator
that
we're
using,
it
would
say,
we're
at
zero,
because
the
entire
county
is
an
extreme
drought.
And
then,
when
it
bounced
back
up
to
two
probably
most
of
the
county
was
was
up
to
back
to
just
extreme
drought,
which
is
where
we
are
now
just
extreme
down.
E
Does
that
help
it
does
help,
because
then
it
looks
like
it's
dipping
back
down
and
we're
still
that's
january,
and
so
I
know
that
we've
had
some
precipitation
over
the
last
couple
months.
But
do
you
know
if
that
trend
is
still
heading
down
or
if
are
we
back
on
a
positive
trajectory.
N
That's
a
good
question.
I
know
that
before
this
last
storm,
the
snowpack
in
the
santa
fe
watershed
was
about
36
of
normal,
where
normal
is
the
last
30
years,
so
we're
still
pretty
dry.
N
This
is
of
the
three
sort
of
numbers
that
we're
putting
together
our
our
own
surface
water
levels
and
our
own
groundwater
pumping
are
very
predictable
to
us.
I
don't
have
as
good
a
sense
of
being
able
to
predict
this.
This
regional
drought
indicator
as
the
others.
E
Okay-
and
I
guess
last
question
jesse
just
for
you
know,
pre-planning
should,
should
we
be
in
an
instance
like
we
saw
and
from
from
the
chart
most
of
2021,
where
we
were
in
what
was
classified
as
that
exceptional
drought
is
that
when
we
start
to
put
in
some
more
strict
conservation
purposes,
I
mean
because
that
would
be
too.
E
E
Is
that
where
we
really
kick
into
effect
deeper
conservation
practices,
or
because
I
mean,
I
think,
I'm
a
little
shocked
that
we
we
had
that
for
most
of
the
year
and
we
didn't
we
as
a
city,
didn't
say:
hey,
look,
we're
we're
in
the
worst
we've
seen
since
the
last
20
years,
the
the
lowest
we've
seen
it
go
that
far
back
according
to
this
chart
is
2002,
and
that
was
for
a
short
period
of
time
on
this
chart.
It
was
for
an
entire
year,
and
so
what?
E
N
I
think
it's
an
excellent
question
and
it
gets
at
the
very
heart
of
what
we're
trying
to
create
with
this
indicator,
because
what
you
see
happened
is
when
that.
So
this
dotted
line
is
now
this
drought
indicator,
but
that's
only
one
of
three
and
it's
only
30
of
the
total
weight
that
we're
giving
to
this
entire
indicator,
and
so
when
it
happened
in
2002,
we
also
didn't
have
much
surface
water
and
we
had
been
hammering
our
wells,
and
so
we
were
the
total
indicator
at
that.
Time
was
extreme.
We
couldn't,
we
couldn't
water,
the
parks.
N
In
this
case
it
would
have-
and
again
I
don't
know
exactly
how
these
policy
responses
are
gonna
shake
out.
That's
gonna
be
based
on
public
input
and
and
vetted,
but
I
would
imagine
in
this
third
level,
it's
going
to
be
pretty
aggressive
communication
and
asking
people
to
reduce
their
water,
but
no
mandated
water
conservation.
K
N
In
that
case,
we
would
be
saying
yeah
we're.
We
have
we're
in
pretty
good
shape
and
from
surface
water
and
groundwater
perspective,
but
we're
in
an
exceptional
drought.
We
don't
know
how
long
it's
going
to
last,
and
so
we're
asking
you
to
to
do
to
keep
doing
what
you've
been
doing
for
the
last
25
years
and
water
is,
is,
you
know,
really
work
the
messaging
side
of
things?
So
I
really
appreciate
the
question
and-
and
I
think
it
helps
clarify
exactly
what
we're
trying
to
get
at
here
is
this
balance
between?
N
E
Okay
awesome
and
I
apologize
mr
chair.
I
thought
I
had
last
question,
but
one
more
is
growth
taken
into
factor
into
all
these
charts.
You
know,
as
you
know,
our
city
is
growing
and
we're
only
going
to
be
growing
more
over
the
next
couple
years
with
thousands
of
homes.
That's
going
to
be
coming
into
play
is.
Is
that
a
factor
in
all
of
this,
these
data
accumulation
and
tabulations,
or
is
it
just.
N
Councilor
garcia
again,
thank
you
for
the
question
and
I
will
just
say
that
we
we
take.
We
do
not
take
growth
into
consideration
in
this
particular
indicator.
It
ultimately
will
reflect
on
how
much
groundwater
we
use
and
how
much
surface
water
we
use
if
we're
not
doing
more
proactive
long-range
planning.
N
But
we
look
out
as
much
as
80
years
into
the
future
with
a
a
model
of
our
system
where
we
do
take
into
account
growth
projections
and
growth
scenarios
and
climate
change
scenarios
to
make
sure
that
we're
at
least
five
to
ten
years
ahead
of
of
sort
of
worst
case,
those
those
the
more
sort
of
long-range
impacts
associated
with
continued
growth,
so
that
we
do
take
into
account,
but
not
in
this
particular
tool,
at
least
not
directly.
B
G
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
and
thank
you
jesse
for
developing
this
tool.
I
just
want
to
say
a
couple
things
about
it.
So
when
I
first
became
chair
of
the
water
conservation
committee,
I
felt
like
there
was
this.
G
There
were
two
different
messages
that
the
public
was
feeling
one
which
is,
as
we
saw
in
this
or
in
the
early
part
of
this
presentation,
our
water
supply,
because
of
conservation
and
because
of
the
infrastructure
that
we
have
put
into
place
with
new
wells
and
the
bdd.
We
are
in
good
shape.
G
We
are
not
in
a
water
emergency,
even
though
the
headlines
are
screaming
at
us
that
there's
mega
drought
and
we've
been
in
drought
more
than
one
year
and
and
and
so
this
was
where
the
disconnect
came
in
right,
because
we
see
that
it
hasn't
rained.
And
so
why
aren't
we
being
asked
to
do
something?
G
And
so
what
jesse
has
done
with
this
tool
and
which
I
very
much
appreciate,
is
giving
us
a
scientific
or
a
data
driven
way
to
determine
drought
levels
and
the
work
of
the
water
conservation
committee
and
the
water
policy
advisory
board
with
the
county
will
be
to
take
this
tool
and
say
all
right.
If
this
is
the
situation
we
find
ourselves
in
in
any
particular
year.
G
This
is
what
we
should
ask
the
public
to
do
in
response,
even
though,
and
and
this
and
again
part
of
the
reason
we
stand
in
such
a
good
place
is
because
our
community
has
really
become
very
conservation-minded
and
has
helped
us
to
use
our
water
very
wisely,
and
so
that's
done
wonders
for
extending
our
supply.
We
know,
through
long-range
planning
that
we
will
have
shortages.
G
We
have
reports
that
say
in
50
years
we
may
have
shortages
depending
on
what
actually
happens
compared
against
the
model,
so
we're
going
to
need
to
do
more
in
conservation.
We're
going
to
need
to
continue
to
use
water
very
wisely,
and
this
tool
will
help
us
develop
the
policy
responses
to
use
that
water
wisely.
G
As
we
look
at
year-to-year
situations-
and
I
guess
I
I
would
emphasize-
because
christine
chavez
would
tell
me
to
that-
this
is
a
pilot
that
we're
developing
and
that
long
term,
once
these
policy
responses
are
developed,
we're
hopeful
that
they
will
lead
to
the
ordinance
update
that
counselor
and
chairman
rivera
referred
to,
so
that
we
are
up
to
date
and
that
they
reflect
more
current
thinking,
more
current
availability
of
technology
and
things
that
we
can
do
so.
G
And
I
think
the
other
thing
that
is
really
exciting
and
important
about
this
is
that
we
are
working
with
the
county
and,
and
one
of
the
the
other
pieces
is
that
when
I
was
first
elected
I
reached
out
to
commissioner
hamilton
and
we
had
a
series
of
conversations
about
how
we
could
work
with
the
county.
The
city
is
the
county's
backup
water
supply.
We
do
share
what
do
you?
What
would
you
say,
jesse
a
water,
a
basin?
G
What's
the
right
term,
we
share
ground
water
is
that
is
that
the
right
way
to
say
it
sure
yeah?
So
I
I
the
fact
that
we
are
working
with
the
county
on
this
and
that
they
we
are
hopeful
that
the
city
and
the
county
will
align
their
drought
responses.
G
What
they
ask
the
public
to
do
whether
you're
a
city
resident
or
a
county
resident
will
be
the
same,
and
I
think
that
is
a
very
encouraging
development.
Since
you
know
we
may
be
different
governmental
structures,
but
we
are
kind
of
in
the
same
pot
so
to
speak.
So
I
I
just
wanted
to
make
those
comments.
Mr
chair,
and
you
know.
Certainly,
growth
is
something
that
is
looked
at
as
as
director
roach
said
in
our
40
and
80
year,
water
plans,
which
the
council
approved
or
authorized
in
2018.
G
I
believe,
and
let's
see
I
think
I
think
that's
all
I
wanted
to
say
and
thank
you,
mr
chair,
for
for
letting
me
make
those
comments.
B
Anyone
else
all
right,
just
one
more
comment:
jesse,
so
back
in
o2,
all
we
had
was
the
wells
and
our
reservoirs
and
we
went
into
severe
drought.
I
remember
we
lost
several
parks,
including
fort
marcy
park.
I
think
that's
when
sal
pettis
turned
into.
B
N
Thank
you.
So
it's
a
great
question
and
it
it
gets
back
to
looking
out
further
than
a
few
years
from
now
and
the
the
projections
that
we've
looked
at,
that
incorporate
climate
change
and
population
growth
and
tell
us
that
by
the
2050s,
I
believe
you
know
30
years
from
now,
we
would
be
looking
at
shortages
without
adding
to
that
infrastructure,
and
so
the
one
way
to
think
about
the
san
juan
chamber
return
flow
project.
N
Is
that
it
more
than
doubles
the
effective
resource
that
we
have
with
the
buckman
direct
diversion
with
our
san
juan
trauma,
project,
water,
and
so
as
that
water
is
threatened
by
climate
change.
We
need
to
learn
to
or
we
have,
we
have
we're
blessed
with
the
ability
to
make
it
go
farther,
and
so
that's
really
where
the
sandwich
hummer
return
flow
project
comes
in.
B
D
Thank
you
very
much
chairman
members
of
the
committee
and
cheyenne
ernst
is
here
with
from
delkia
as
well,
so
we
at
the
beginning
of
last
week,
last
monday,
I
think
it
was
completed
the
installation
of
leds
on
the
city's
3
500
city-owned,
light
street
lights,
and
so
that's
really
exciting.
D
That
part
of
the
project
is
complete
and
we've
been
installing
shields
as
we
go,
we've
been
getting
community
feedback
as
we
go
and
it's
been
really
positive
and
we've
been
able
to
be
really
responsive
to
people's
needs
related
to
that
and
it
actually
the
project.
As
you
know,
we
started
out
hoping
that
pnm
would
be
installing
theirs
at
exactly
the
same
time,
but
after
the
community
guided
design
introduced
some
really
state-of-the-art
technology
that
pnm's
just
having
to
sort
of
catch
up
with
that
a
bit.
D
It's
built
the
team
with
pnm
and
I
think,
with
our
management
of
street
lights.
Overall,
we've
really
increased
reliability
and
our
customer
responsiveness,
which
was
really
sorely
lacking
when
we
started
this
project
in
a
big
part
of
the
reason
that
we
undertook
it
on
besides
to
save
money
and
save
energy
and
reduce
our
greenhouse
gas
footprint,
but
also
to
to
get
better
customer
service
and
reliability.
D
So
I'm
really
excited
about
that,
actually
being
an
outcome
already
and
then
cheyenne,
I
don't
know
if
you
wanted
to
add
anything.
M
Thank
you,
director,
wheeler,
thank
you
chairman
and
members
of
the
committee.
Just
to
echo
what
director
wheeler
said.
We're
really
excited
to
have
completed
the
conversion
and
we've
moved
into
doing
more
serious
maintenance
work
around
town
and
addressing
some
of
the
infrastructure-based
issues
working
on
repairing
outages
that
are
caused
by
deeper
problems.
So
you'll
still
see
our
crews
working
around
the
city
for
the
next
15
years
as
part
of
the
contract
to
address
the
maintenance
on
the
city-owned
streetlights
and
also
like
director
wheeler
said.
M
M
So
the
infrastructure
baseline
that
the
city
of
santa
fe
will
be
left
with
at
the
end
of
the
pnm
conversion,
will
be
really
amazing
and
I'm
really
excited
to
have
been
a
part
of
it.
So
thank
you
all
and
just
looking
forward
to
to
doing
more
and
having
the
conversion
behind
us
and
moving
on
to
better
things.
B
Thank
you,
director,
wheeler.
Thank
you,
miss
ernst.
Any
questions
from
the
committee
questions
or
comments.
Counselor,
michael
garcia,.
E
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
Thank
you.
Director,
wheeler
and
chan
really
appreciate
it
and
glad
to
hear
the
the
first
phase
of
the
city.
Stuff
is
done
and
now
we're
waiting
on
pnm
do
we
know
when
pnm
will
do
do
their
lights
when,
when
we
anticipate
that
to
be
completed.
D
Thank
you
chairman
and
counselor,
michael
garcia.
That's
a
really
fair
question
and
a
little
bit
difficult
to
pin
down
where
they
are
in
the
process.
I
can
share
with
you
probably
more
accurately
than
I
could
say
how
long
it's
going
to
take
them
to
get
to
the
end.
They
have
they're
near
the
end
of
their
evaluation
of
various
smart
nodes.
D
They
have
to
do
very
thorough
evaluation
of
this,
because
it
does
interconnect,
of
course,
into
the
network,
and
so
they
they
really
have
a
strong
requirement
for
protecting
this
the
grid,
and
so
they
are
done,
though
they're
nearly
done
with
that
they'll
make
it
then
they'll
be
doing
some
procurement
as
far
as
the
pricing
on
that,
as
well
as
making
a
filing
to
the
regulatory
agency,
adding
that
to
the
acceptable
alternatives
list,
as
they
did
previously
already
for
us
for
the
2700
kelvin.
D
I
think
it
was,
and
so
it's
moving
well.
We
have
a
lot
of
focus
and
support
at
pnm
for
this
keeping
on
moving.
It's
like
cheyenne,
said
we
meet
weekly
and
we'll
bring
you
any
kind
of
a
real
hard
estimate
that
we
can
as
soon
as
we
can.
E
Okay,
awesome,
thank
you
and,
and
help
remind
me,
was
the
pnm
like:
were
we
gonna
save
off,
have
that
cost
savings
from
those
lights,
and
so
since
they're
not
being
retrofitted
yet
and
the
longer
that
they're,
not
the
lower
to
our
cost
savings,
is
going
to
be.
How
does
that
impact
the
loan
that
we
got
and
whatnot?
How
does
that
impact
that
whole
financial
component?
I
guess
thank
you
so
much.
D
Chairman
and
council
garcia
for
the
check
question.
It's
true.
We
will
not
be
saving
the
amount
of
money
that
we
would
have
been,
but
the
amount
of
money
that
we
are
going
to
be
saving
on
an
annual
basis
is
really
quite
extraordinary.
It's
a
half
a
million
dollars
a
year.
D
That's
not
necessary
to
our
payback
on
the
loan
is
a
20-year
loan,
so
we
wouldn't
be
making
payments
anywhere
near
that
amount.
So
it'll
just
really
be.
We
have
we're
making
enough
savings
on
the
city
owned
lights,
to
make
our
payments
over
the
20
years,
but
p
m
own
lights
are
just
real.
Regular
savings
for
the
city.
E
Okay,
thank
you
for
helping
to
clarify
that.
No
other
questions,
thank
you,
director,
wheeler
and
chan
for
being
with
us
tonight.
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
Thank
you.
Councilor
lee,
garcia.
A
Thank
you,
chair,
rivera,
just
a
quick
question
being
out
here
in
district
3,
where,
obviously
we
have
a
lot
of
areas
that
were
annexed
into
the
city
and
you
know
the
not
so
distant
past.
I
do
get
calls
from
constituents
as
to
well.
I
thought
they
were
going
to
do
our
street
lights
and
a
good
exam,
and
I
don't
know
where
we
would
go
to
find
out
if
there
are
street
lights
that
are
going
to
be
done
by
pnm
or
not.
A
A
good
example
is
san
felipe
road,
where
aguafria
and
san
felipe
climb
the
corner.
There's
a
small
trailer
park
community
here
that
reached
out
to
me
and
said:
well,
you
know
our
lights
are
dark
darkened
and
again
it's
it's.
It's
an
area
that
was
annexed.
It
was
their
previous
to
them
being
in
the
city,
and
so
where
do
we
find
out?
If
that's
something
that's
going
to
be
addressed
by
pnm
or
a
contact
for
that,
so
I
can
get
it
to
them.
D
Thank
you
so
much
chairman
and
counselor
lee
garcia
for
the
question.
If
I
could
clarify
your
question,
are
there
street
lights
in
the
development
that
are
not
working
or
are
they
lacking
street
lights?.
A
No
they're
just
not
working,
and
so
I
don't
know
if
they're
part
of
the
project
are
they
going
to
be
addressed
by
pnm,
because,
obviously,
if
we're
at
completion
with
the
city
project,
then
the
the
pnm
portion
obviously
hasn't
been
completed,
or
I
don't
know
if
it
started.
But
you
know
it's
a
dark
area,
so
you
know
obviously
them
being.
D
D
Yes,
thank
you
so
much
for
that
clarification,
chairman
and
counselor
lee
garcia,
there's
a
cup.
We
will
definitely
look
into
that.
If
there
are
pnm
lights
that
are
not
functioning,
we
can
definitely
get
a
team
out
there
to
repair
them.
So
we
can
enter
that
report.
D
But
my
suspicion
is
there's
a
few
places
in
the
city
where,
strangely
enough,
the
hoa
owns
the
street
lights
and
they're
not
paying
the
bills
and
probably
don't
even
exist
anymore,
and
so
that
is
one
of
the
things
we've
sort
of
gotten
we've
seen
as
we've
done
this
conversion
project
and
I'd
really
like
to
bring
those
lights
into
the
city
and
make
them
city-owned
lights
and
I'm
not
quite
sure
how
we
could
do
that.
D
I
haven't
looked
into
it
yet,
but
there
are
a
number
of
places
that
are
in
that
kind
of
a
tricky
situation
where
the
hoa
is
responsible
for
the
lights
and
the
aho
doesn't
exist.
So.
But
I
will
check
on
that
and
see
what's
the
situation
we
can
follow
up
and
let
you
know
if
we'll
be
able
to
send
a
crew
out
to
repair
or
if
it's
going
to
be
a
little
bit
longer
project
of
figuring
out
how
to
get
help
with
those
lights.
A
Okay,
thank
you
for
that
and
we'll
be
in
touch,
I
guess,
to
see,
identify
if
that's
an
area
that
was
in
this
circumstance.
So
thank
you
very
much
for
the
response.
B
Thank
you
anything
else,
counselor
chavez
and
romero
worth
you're
at
the
top
of
my
screen.
So
I
can't
see
any,
and
so
if
you
have
a
question
just
wave
at
me,
her
comment
all
right,
don't
sit.
M
Chairman
rivera,
could
I
just
make
a
comment
quickly:
councilman,
garcia,
lee
garcia,
on
your
question
and
for
all
the
counselors.
If
you
have
a
constituent
that
has
a
specific
question
like
that
about
a
specific
roadway
or
even
a
specific
light,
if
you
want
to
have
them
email,
santa
fe
led
at
dalkiasolutions.com,
and
I
can
send
that
all
to
you
in
an
email
right
after
this.
D
Add
chairman,
there's
also
a
problem:
entry
form
right
on
santa
felid.com
cheyenne,
that's
another
good
way
and
then
pnm's
lights.
You
can
always
report
anything
on
the
pnm
website
as
well.
It's
pnm
streetlight
and
if
it's
ours,
they'll
give
it
to
us
and
if
it's,
if
you
so
either
place,
you
report
it
we're
working
together
to
make
sure
that
it
gets
handled.
But
santa
fe
led.com
is
a
place
to
enter
work
orders
for
our
lives.
B
F
Thank
you
director
jones,
mr
chair
members
of
the
committee,
always
appreciate
you
seeing
the
water
division's
presentations
just
wanted
to
take
a
quick
second
to
give
a
sales
pitch
to
some
tools
that
are
available.
As
we
talked
about
conservation
things
we're
doing
today.
Ion
water
is
amazing
tool
for
people
to
to
see
their
real-time
data
set
of
notifications,
and
our
conservation
committee
does
a
great
job
working
with
individuals,
even
as
far
as
doing
audits.
F
If
somebody's
struggling
with
their
water
use
or
ways
they
can
do
it
better,
they
can
reach
out
to
our
staff
at
the
water
divisions,
conservation
committee,
I'm
sorry
conservation,
office
and
they're
more
than
happy
to
to
walk
customers
through
and
even
complete
audits
for
them
to
help
them
be
more
successful.
Thank
you
for
that.
That's
no
other.
F
Thank
you.
Director
jones
matters.