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B
Thank
you,
counselor
michael
garcia,
you're
with
us.
I
know
I
just
got
a
message
that
you're
having
problems
with
zoom
or
were
you
able
to
hear
us.
C
E
B
Okay,
as
long
as
you
can
hear
us,
I
think
we're
okay,
and
we
can
hear
you
we're
good
all
right.
Let's
call
public
works
and
utilities
committee
for
april
25th
2022
to
order
can
we
have
a
roll
call?
Please
miss
this.
C
F
B
A
A
I'd
like
to
just
get
a
little
more
information
on
item
c.
B
B
B
E
B
B
B
Thank
you.
We're
on
presentation,
informational
items.
First
is
city
of
santa
fe,
water,
2021,
summary
and
2022
outlook,
mr
jesse
roach
welcome.
Thank
you.
D
I
just
wanted
to
provide
the
committee
with
an
overview
of
some
of
the
things
happening
with
water
at
the
moment.
I
trust
everyone
can
see
my
screen.
Let
me
know
if
you
can't
just
move
so
we
did
just
complete
our
annual
report
and
we
included
the
executive
summary
in
the
packet,
and
I
will
include
some
of
the
key
figures
from
the
report
in
this
presentation,
but
really
and
it's
about
a
22-page
report,
it's
available
on
our
website
and
and
in
many
ways
it's
written
for
members
of
this
committee.
D
D
We
turned
the
canyon
road
water
treatment
plant
off
for
almost
seven
weeks
from
june
well
into
july,
and
this
was
sort
of
a
proof
that
that
we
could
serve
the
entire
city
during
peak
demand
without
that,
that's
that
source
of
water.
So
this
was
a
helpful
sort
of
experiment.
Let's
not
it's
a
helpful
exercise
that
we
went
through
that
helps
us
understand
how
to
do
that.
D
We
try
and
use
that
preferentially
and
we
try
and
save
our
well
water
for
for
times
of
drought,
and
I
think
it's
worth
noting
that
even
in
2021,
which
was
a
dry
year,
almost
80
percent
of
the
water
that
we
did
treat
and
deliver
to
our
customers
came
from
the
rivers
and
and
the
well
production
was
about
20
and
and
quite
a
bit
below
what
we
think
our
total
sustainable
ability
to
produce
from
those
wells
would
be.
And
so
we
expect
that
water
levels
continued
to
rise
in
in
our
wells
and
in
our
aquifers.
D
Last
year
on
the
reservoir
storage
side
of
things,
we
started
the
year
with
more
water
and
storage,
both
on
the
santa
fe
river
shown
on
the
left
and
on
the
chama
system
on
the
right
than
we
ended
up
with
it's
worth,
pointing
out
that
these
scales
are
very
different.
So
we
ended
with
over
12
000
acre
feet
of
storage,
either
in
heron
or
abiquiu,
compared
to
less
than
a
thousand
acre
feet
of
storage
on
the
santa
fe
river.
D
D
And
in
terms
of
looking
forward
to
the
next
year,
this
chart
on
the
left
is
there's
a
lot
going
on
in
here,
but
it's
a
pretty
neat
chart
that
shows
this
is
essentially
water
stored
in
the
snowpack
as
from
october
through
july
and
the
the
colors
show.
Historically,
the
green
is
the
median
so
where
we
would
be
in
and
then
the
purple
is
the
maximum.
D
The
red
is
the
minimum
and
different
shading
for
different
percentiles,
but
we,
the
black,
is
what
actually
happened
in
2020,
2021
and
20
into
2022,
and
so
we
in
in
april
we
were
looking
about
median
and
and
then
we've
fallen
off
since
then,
so
we're
hopeful
that
it
won't
be
as
dry
of
a
year
as
it
was
last
year.
D
But
with
these
winds
and
and
this
dry
weather
that
we're
experiencing
now,
it's
still
not
a
great
year
on
the
santa
fe
river,
but
based
on
that
information,
we
then
make
a
plan
on
how
we
want
to
try
and
use
our
resources
for
the
year,
and
this
is
our
annual
operating
plan
at
this
time,
and
this
is
for
city
and
county
combined.
So
it
adds
up
to
a
bigger
number.
D
We
do
all
this
planning
with
with
the
county,
because
the
bdd
is
a
shared
facility
between
the
city
and
the
county
and,
let's
see
on
the
financial
side
of
things,
just
trying
to
sort
of
take
a
snapshot
of
of
where
we
stand
and
where
we're
going
and
point
out
a
few
things
that
are
on
the
horizon.
D
D
The
cash
balance
is
the
green
line,
and
then
our
debt
is
the
the
purple
line
on
the
bottom
and
the
cash
expenditures
in
red.
I
guess
just
one
thing
to
point
out
is
that
we
have
nearly
90
million
dollars
in
just
four
capital
projects
on
the
horizon
and
we
expect
that
those
will
draw
down
our
cash
reserves
and
we
probably
will
or
we're
planning
to
bond
some
portion,
probably
of
the
san
juan
chamber,
return
flow
project.
D
So
those
projections
show
our
cash
balance
being
drawn
down
and
taking
on
some
debt
associated
with
these
new
projects
and
just
to
sort
of
give
an
order
of
magnitude
and
list
those
projects.
We
have
the
nichols
dam
outlet,
conduit,
rebuild
that's
going
to
start
in
the
next
year
or
so.
The
construction
estimates
keep
going
up.
It's
close
to
it's
around
19
million
dollars
is
the
latest
estimate.
We
have
we're
we're
doing
a
big
renovation
at
the
canyon
road
plant
on
the
order
of
13
million
dollars.
D
Mcclure
will
be
a
couple
years
out
similar
to
what
we're
doing
at
nichols,
so
we're
just
estimating
a
similar
amount,
and
then
the
san
juan
chamber
return
flow
project
at
35
million
dollars.
I
think
we're
all
aware
of
what's
happening
with
inflation
and
supply
chains
and
costs,
and
so
these
are.
These
are
tentative
numbers.
The
the
nichols
number
is
the
best.
The
rest
of
these
could
continue
to
rise
almost
every
time.
So
we
ask
somebody
for
the
for
the
latest
estimate
an
update
on
the
san
juan
trauma
return
flow
project.
D
We've
certainly
have
presentations
of
this
of
multiple
slides,
but
just
the
sort
of
the
snapshot
picture
is
that
the
idea
here
is
to
stretch
our
san
juan
chamber
water
by
returning
some
amount
to
the
river
just
below
the
diversion,
so
that
we
can
continue
to
make
the
same
diversion
with
a
much
smaller
release
from
upstream
and
save
our
our
stored
water.
D
In
that
way,
the
the
status
of
that
is
that
we
did
submit
a
return
flow
credit
application
with
the
office
of
the
state
engineer
in
november
and
we're
hoping
by
the
end
of
this
month,
just
in
the
next
few
days
that
that
will
actually
be
publicly
noticed.
We
are
in
the
nepa
process.
We
held
two
successful
public
scoping
meetings
last
year
in
november
and
then
based
on
that
information,
we're
refining
our
proposal
for
the
actual
nepa
analysis
and
targeting
a
nepa
document.
D
Every
april,
the
director
of
city
of
santa
fe
water
is
required
by
code
to
provide
a
memo
to
the
city
manager,
we're
recommending
whether
we
should
be
in
a
state
of
water
emergency,
and
we
have
recommended
that
we
do
not
need.
We
are
not
in
a
water
emergency.
This
year
we
we
previously
presented
to
this
committee,
the
santa
fe
water
resources
indicator,
which
was
included
in
that
memo
as
a
potential
pilot
to
use
in
future
years,
instead
of
what's
currently
used
as
a
comparison
of
operational
demand
and
operational
supply.
D
According
to
all
three
of
those
methods.
Well,
there's
two
methods:
there's
an
administrative
procedures,
method,
there's
we.
We
supplement
that
with
staff
estimates,
because
there
are
some
things
about
those
administrative
procedures
that
are
a
little
out
of
date,
but
in
either
case
they
actually
come
up
with
a
surprisingly
similar
number
that
we
do
have
plenty
of
space
between
what
we
could
supply
and
what
we
expect
will
be
the
demand
and
then
the
water
resources
indicator
as
a
potentially
a
different
way
to
do
that
going
forward.
D
We
have
our
annual,
what's
up
with
water
public
webinar
occurring
on
thursday,
either
at
9
00
a.m
or
7
p.m.
So
it's
the
same.
Information
twice
encourage
anyone
to
to
listen
into
that.
If
you
can
and
also
oops
excuse
me
recently,
did
a
presentation
in
a
format
called
pechakucha,
where
you
basically
have
20
images
with
20
seconds
each,
and
the
idea
of
this
presentation
was
to
answer
the
question:
do
we
have
water
for
growth,
because
I
believe
that
is
a
question
that
you're
often
asked?
D
So
if
somebody
only
has
15
seconds,
you
tell
them
yes,
and
if
they
have
seven
minutes,
then
direct
them
to
this
video
on
our
website,
which
I
think
is
a
very
concise
way
of
explaining
all
the
things
we're
doing
to
continually
answer
that
question
and
then
finally,
I
guess
one
thing
just
to
point
out
that
we
are
having
a
hard
time
finding
engineers
we
were
creatively
adapting
to
that
and
and
using
some
strategies
pioneered
by
director
wheeler,
and
I
think
we
will
have
staff
in
the
pipeline,
but
we
are
experiencing
some
delays.
D
So
if
you,
if
you
hear
anything
that
that
we
we're
working
on
it
and
things
a
little
bit
slower,
but
but
we'll
be
okay,
and
with
that,
I
will
stop
sharing
and
stand
for
questions.
B
All
right,
I
can't
see,
concert
but
go
ahead.
Counselor.
E
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
Thank
you
councillor,
garcia.
Thank
you.
Jesse
really
appreciate
the
update.
I
just
got
one
quick
question
for
you,
and
you
mentioned
that
you
had
sent
a
memo
to
the
city
manager,
saying
there
wasn't
a
water
emergency
roof
this
year,
but
given
we're
barely
finishing
up
april,
it's
the
extreme
drought
around
us
has
wildfires
eating
up
our
state
alive.
E
No
is
that
is
it
possible
to
change
that
status?
I
mean
I'd
hate
for
us
to
be
with
the
mindset
that
there's
no
emergency,
we're
good,
where
I
think
we
should
be
looking
at
the
situation
at
hand
and
saying
there's
not
an
emergency
for
the
next
30
days,
we'll
reevaluate
or
what?
What
is
that
process?
Maybe
that
is
the
next
step.
If
you
can
help
clarify
director
roach,
that
would
be
fantastic.
D
Chairman
rivera
councillor,
garcia
thanks
for
the
question,
I
think
you
have
hit
on
one
of
the
key
elements
that
we're
trying
to
pull
out
with
the
water
resources
indicator
and
that
is
incorporating
some
level
of
the
perception
of
drought
and
or
perhaps,
fires
in
in
our
region
in
our
area,
in
our
county,
in
our
in
our
in
our
state
into
what
we
might
want
to
tell
what
what
we
might
want
to
ask
or
tell
people
to
do.
D
But
I
think
this
is
something
that
that
we're
developing
in
a
process
and
at
the
moment
we
really
just
according
following
strictly.
According
to
code,
we
would
calculate
our
operational
demand
and
our
operational
supply
and
and
conclude
that
we're
not
currently
in
an
emergency.
I
I'm
willing
to
stand
by
that,
but
I
completely
understand
the
the
intent
of
your
question.
E
Okay,
thank
you.
So
the
way
it
stands
it's
we
we
won't
rescind
that
emergency
memo
is
there
a
time
where
you
might
reconsider
it.
The
reason
I
ask
is
we're
we're
about
to
get
into.
I
mean
folks
are
going
to
start
their
planting
season
and
I'd
hate
for
us
to
get
into
a
situation
where
folks
do
their
planting
and
we
get
into
a
situation
where
we
we
have
a
water
emergency
situation
and
people
lose
their
crops,
and
I
I
just
want
us
to
go
into
this
this
summer
diligently.
E
E
I
I,
if
I
recall
last
summer,
we
we
did
implement
some
measures
where
we
at
you
know
certain
days.
Certain
people
are
allowed
to
water
and
maybe
I'm
mixing
it
up
with
another
year.
But
again
I
I
think.
E
Sometimes
the
data
is
just
not
showing
what
the
actual
situation
is.
I
mean
we're,
I
I
I
don't
know,
I'm
just
a
bit
concerned
that
we're
using
the
language
we're
not
in
a
water
emergency
when
I
think
that's
a
bit
misleading,
but
I
I
appreciate
the
the
update
jesse.
I
really
do,
and
maybe
this
is
something
I
can
connect
with
you
offline
more
about
just
to
learn
more
about
the
data
and
the
process.
B
All
right,
counselor
lee
garcia.
A
A
The
percentage
of
water
that
that
will
take
away
from
water
being
treated
and
senate,
sent
down
the
santa
fe
river
for
people
who
have
water
rights
farther
south
of
the
city
and
in
terms
of
people
who
are
doing
agriculture
and
people
who
are
are
grazing
cattle
and
they
need
these
type
of
resources?.
D
Chairman
rivera
councilor,
garcia
thanks
for
the
question-
and
this
is
a
question-
this
is
a
it's
a
great
question
and
it's
something
we
spent
a
lot
of
time
looking
at,
and
so
I'm
very
happy
myself
and
my
team
are
happy
to
talk
more
about
more
directly
with
you
if
you
would
like,
but
I
will
give
you
sort
of
the
the
high
level
answer
is
that
the
san
juan
trauma
return
flow
project
will
take
water
that
originated
as
san
juan
chamber
water
and
turn
it
to
the
rio
grande
and
so
still
a
lot
of
the
water
that
we
treat
and
use
is
from
other
sources,
and
so
that
that
water
will
remain
available
for
use
either
in
in
non-potable
reuse,
on
our
our
parks
or
for
discharge
to
the
lower
santa
fe
river
to
help
meet
the
needs
of
users
downstream
of
the
of
the
wastewater
treatment
plant.
A
Thank
you
for
that
answer.
I
I
also
have
a
a
question.
I
guess
then,
and
we
in
regards
to
I
hear
a
lot
when
you
do
your
presentations
about
our
our
well
waters.
Our
aquifers
are
money
in
the
bank,
so
to
speak,
and
that's
I've
heard
that
many
many
times,
and
so,
if
we
are
in
a
situation
where
we
need
to
depend
on
that
water,
how
long
will
it
last
us
I
mean,
especially
with
the
size
of
our
city
and
how
it's
growing.
D
D
We
we
hit
those
wells
too
hard
in
the
90s
and
early
thousands
and
and
though,
and
the
water
level
in
those
wells
was,
was
dropping,
and
so
we
we
certainly
can
meet
our
needs
just
with
wells
for
a
day
or
a
week
or
a
month
or
even
a
year.
D
But
we
don't
want
to
put
ourselves
in
that
position
and
so
we're
in
a
good
sha
and
we're
in
good
shape
now
and
we're
watching
the
the
well
levels
come
back
up
and
part
of
that
water
resources
indicator
that
we've
developed
to
try
and
help
guide.
Our
seasonal
conservation
policy
is
looking
at
how
hard
we're
hitting
the
wells,
and
so,
if
we
start
to
use
them
more,
that's
gonna
that
indicator
will
start
to
reflect
it
and
we'd
start
asking
people
to
to
use
less
water.
D
A
No,
that's
that's
fine
and
I
I
guess
just
you
know
that
this
water,
water
resources
just
seems
to
be
one
of
the
biggest
questions.
That's
that's
raised
by
constituents
are
people
that
live
in
the
city
and
you
know
they
see
the
growth.
A
They
see
the
buildings,
they
see
the
apartments
they
see
you
name
it
and-
and
I
know
a
lot
can
be
said
about
conservation
and
quite
a
lot
can
be
said
about
you-
know,
housing,
design
and
and
the
steps
that
we're
taking
time
and
time
again
to
to
to
save
water
into
ration.
Water
is
the
best
if
you
can,
but
you
know
the
the
the
majority
of
people
come
and
they
say
well,
where
are
we
getting
the
water
from?
And
I'm
glad
that
you
have
the
presentation
there?
A
We
can
send
them
to
take
a
look
at
that.
I
think
that's
a
good
thing,
and
so
you
know
again
it's
it's
something
that
I
think
going
back
to
cancer
michael
garcia's.
A
Concern
is
that
it
you
see
the
drought
drought
around
us.
You
see
it's
not
raining
like
it
like
it
used
to
in
the
past,
we're
not
getting
the
snowpack
that
we
have,
and
so
it's
a
concern
and
in
the
case
that
we
would
need
to
to
put
the
city
on
alert
then
I
think
that's
something
that
needs
to
be
looked
at
and
that's
just
my
my
two
cents.
Thank
you
very
much.
B
Thank
you,
counselor,
any
other
questions,
counselor
romero
worth
you
and
me.
G
Hey
thank
you,
mr
chair.
I
think
these
are.
These
are
great
questions
and
questions.
I
think,
as
counselors,
we
all
hear
a
lot
from
the
community
and
ones
that
I
think
we've
been
trying
really
hard
to
answer
and
they
are
sometimes
it's
you.
You
really
have
to
spend
a
little
time
to
understand
our
our
situation,
our
water
supply
system.
G
I
think
that's
one
of
the
reasons
why
the
the
presentation
that
director
roach
did
about
a
week
ago
that
he's
offering
I
I
would
you
know,
direct
lots
of
people
to
it,
because
I
think
it
helps
answer
these
questions
and
I
think
one
of
the
concerns
you
know
that
I've
had
since
becoming
a
counselor.
Is
this
disconnect
between
us
looking
outside
and
saying?
Hey
it
didn't
snow
as
much
hey,
it's
not
raining
as
much.
We
must
be
in
a
crisis.
G
We
must
be
having
a
problem
and,
on
the
other
hand,
you
know
if
you
look
at
our
water
resources
where
we
get
our
water
and
what
our
demand
is
are
those
two
things
are
are
lining
up
in
ways
that
say
we
are
not
in
a
crisis
now
we
know
from
our
studies
that
in
the
future
we
may
have
shortages
in.
I
don't
know,
30
years,
25
years,
what's
the
what's
the
year,
25
30.
D
Well,
if
we
did
nothing
and
the
the
worst
case,
scenarios
were
to
come,
be
the
ones
that
actually
occur.
It
could
be
as
early
as
next
decade.
G
Yeah
and
so,
but
recognizing
that
that's
why
we're
doing
the
water
planning
that
we're
doing
that's
why
we
are
in
the
permitting
process
for
the
return
flow
pipeline,
which
is
an
engineering
solution,
and
that's
why
we
are
are
thinking
all
the
time
about
what
more
we
can
do
in
water
conservation,
because
these
are
all
ways
of
continuing
to
meet
the
community's
needs,
and
you
have
to
plan
for
some
of
this
stuff
well
in
advance
of
needing
the
water,
and
I
think
the
the
water
resources
indicator
that
we've
had
presentations
on
that.
G
I
believe,
even
at
the
last
meeting
director
roach
walked
us
through.
That
is
one
answer
for
developing
what
we
want
the
community
to
do
at
varying
drought
levels,
and
so
it's
a
that
model
shows
will
give
us
a
a
drought
level
it
will.
It
will
make
a
determination
based
on
the
data,
what
level
of
drought
we're
in
and
then
working
with
the
county's
water
policy,
advisory
board
and
the
city's
water
conservation
committee.
G
D
G
So
you
know,
if
we're
in
green
we're,
probably
pretty
good,
we
should
always
be
conserving.
We
should
always
you
know,
be
valuing
water
as
as
as
the
important
resource
that
it
is.
If
we're
in
you
know,
if
we're
in
yellow
hey,
that
may
be
a
place
where
we
want
to
ask
more
of
our
residents
more
of
the
people
of
the
community.
G
Don't
do
this,
you
know
do
this
only
on
these
days
so,
and
that
will
help
with
this
disconnect
right
that
hey,
it
feels
dry
out
there
and
we're
not
being
asked
to
do
anything
now.
We
do
have
watering
days
and
we
do
have
a
fairly
hefty
budget
of
water
conservation
messaging.
G
All
the
time
asking
people
you
know
to
use
this
resource
wisely
to
to
not
waste
it
to
to
be
careful,
and
so
that
that's
that's
kind
of
a
constant,
but
I
think
this,
this
water
resource
indicator
work,
is
going
to
be
very
important
for
determining
drought
levels
and
what
we
are
asking
people
to
do
in
response
to
that
drought
level
and
then
the
return
flow
pipeline
is,
is
new
work
that
we're
doing
to
ensure
that
we
have
the
water.
G
We
need
it's
in
the
permitting
stages,
and
I
think
you
know
to
the
question
of
downstream
users.
That's
why
that
working
group
that
you
referenced
jesse
in
your
presentation,
the
the
remind
me
what's
called
downstream
users
group.
G
So
lower
santa
fe
river
planning
group,
you
know
that
that
work
is
is
to
take
a
look
exactly
at
this
question
of
what
kinds
of
mitigation
strategies
do
we
have
to
deal
with
the
fact
that
the
water
that
we
actually
own
we
will
be
using
in
a
different
way
to
be
more
resilient
for
our
water
utility
customers
and
we're
not
taking
water.
G
That
is
that,
isn't
ours
we're
taking
water
that
belongs
to
us
that
we
have
a
legal
right
to
it,
has
been
enjoyed
by
people
downstream
and
now
we're
we're
going
to
pull
up
the
slack
so
to
speak
and
use
that
water
to
make
sure
that
we're
getting,
because
it
is
our
water
that
we
are
making
it
stretches
as
far
as
we
can
so
and
that
you
know-
and
there
are
things
I'm
told
that
can
be
done-
to
mitigate
some
of
the
effects
to
the
downstream
users,
but
again
we're
not
taking
water
that
doesn't
belong
to
us,
we're
not
taking
downstream
users,
water
and-
and
you
know
taking
it
for
our
own.
G
Just
because
we
can
we're
taking
water,
that
we
have
a
legal
right
to
and
we're
we're
making.
It
go
further
with
this
return
flow
pipeline,
so
I
think
these
are
conversations
that
we
need
to
continue
to
have.
It
is
complicated.
G
There
are
answers,
there
is
work
being
done,
it's
why
we
have
the
40
and
80
year
water
planning
cycles
going
on,
because
we
need
to
be
able
to
answer
these
questions
well
in
advance
of
being
in
an
actual
crisis,
and
I
guess
the
only
thing
I
would
say
is
jesse
the
presentation
that
you're
doing
on.
I
think
it's
thursday.
What's
up
with
water,
that
is
a
webinar
is,
is
will
that
be
available
on
demand
on
your
website?.
D
Yes,
it'll
it'll
be
recorded,
we'll
probably
record
both
of
them
and
then,
whichever
one
we'll
put
one
of
them
up
on
the
website,
so
that
folks,
who
can't
make
it
on
thursday
at
either
time,
could
still
listen
to
it.
After
the
fact,
okay.
G
Okay,
so
again,
I
think
there's
a
lot
going
on
here,
great
questions,
I
think,
as
counselors
we
get
asked
them
all
the
time.
It
is
hard
to
understand
some
of
this
stuff
and
how
it
interconnects-
and
so
it's
it's
great-
to
have
the
opportunity
to
have
the
conversation.
G
So
thank
you
for
for
coming
in
and
talking
to
us-
and
I
appreciate
everybody's
trying
to
get
a
handle
on
all
this.
So
thank
you,
mr
chair.
E
I
did
mr
chair,
I'm
good.
Thank
you
quick
question
director
roach
is
this,
is
I
guess
a
water
101
question
maybe,
but
is
precipitation
needed
to
charge
our
aquifers?
So
I
guess
my
question
is:
if
it's
not
raining
or
snowing,
we're
not
getting
that
precipitation,
our
aquifers
aren't
going
to
be
charging,
as
as
they
should
be.
D
Absolutely
garcia,
I
would
say
that
that
is
correct,
but
but
one
thing
that
is
harder
to
understand
because
we
don't
see
it
as
how
slowly
groundwater
moves,
and
so
these
these
year-to-year
variations
kind
of
kind
of
get
worked
out.
D
So
if
it's,
if
it
didn't
rain
for
for
many
many
years,
we
would
start
to
see
that,
but
it
it
it
rains
it
seeps
into
the
ground
and
it
slowly
is,
is
moving
underground
and
so
the
the
sort
of
inner
annual
variations
that
we
see
all
the
time
in
our
reservoirs
are
not
things
that
we
necessarily
pick
up
very
quickly
when
we
look
at
the
at
the
aquifers,
so
you
are
correct,
but
the
time
scale
is
is,
is
long
and
slow,
and-
and
so
it's
not
something,
we
would
immediately
notice.
E
D
Yeah,
I
probably
when
the
first
well
was
drilled,
so
the
way
groundwater
systems
work.
Is
you
in
in
sort
of
a
pre-development
condition?
E
Okay,
thank
you.
I
really
appreciate
that.
I
guess
from
my
perspective,
I
like
to
look
at
our
reservoirs
in
regards
to
what's
being
produced
by
mother
nature,
what's
being
put
into
our
system
naturally,
and
when
our
aquifers
are
not
being
charged
naturally
and
we're
not
at
a
hundred
percent
and
it's
gradually
declining
every
year.
E
I
think
that
does
cause
some
concern,
so
I
I,
if
possible,
is
it?
Can
you
send
us
data
on
our
reservoir
storage
over
the
last
50
years
and
what
that's
looked
like?
I
know
that
we
just
got
some
recent
data
where
I
don't
want
to
mistake
it,
but
it
was
extremely
low
and
it'd
be
interesting
to
see
where
we've
gone
over
the
last
50
years.
E
With
with
our
with
our
reservoir
storage,
I
guess
the
kind
of
follow-up
question
since
the
counselor
lee
garcia
brought
it
up
in
regards
to
the
pipeline.
The
downstream
users
just
to
clarify
their
access
to
untreated
water
is
going
to
go
up.
They
will
have
access
to
water,
but
their
access
to
untreated
water
is
going
to
go
down.
D
So
I
guess
a
couple
things:
the
50
years
for
our
reservoirs.
We
certainly
have
it
for
20
years.
I'm
not
sure
we
have
it
for
50,
because
we're
trying
to
see
how
far
back
we
could
go
with
the
water
resources
indicator.
D
D
You
know
20
50
years
to
one
that
is
mostly
dominated
by
a
constant,
a
relatively
constant
supply
of
water
from
from
our
our
water
treatment
plant
and
and
we're
talking
about
reducing
that
that
amount
that
we
discharged
to
the
santa
fe
river
in
proportion
to
how
much
san
juan
chamber
water
we
are
using.
So
we
think
of
it
as
water
that
we
sort
of
paid
to
bring
into
the
watershed
is
the
water
that
we're
peeling
back
off.
E
E
Is
it
going
to
be
we're
pumping
out
eight
acre
feet
of
treated
water
and
one
one
acre
of
untreated?
And
I
know
you
can't
do
that
because
they're
going
to
mix
I'm
just,
I
guess
my
my
concern
for
the
downstream
users
are,
is
that
is
the
majority
of
their
water
going
to
be
treated
water
versus
natural,
untreated
water
that
they're
used
to
receiving.
D
So
I
would
say
that
the
the
majority
of
the
water
in
the
lower
santa
fe
river
for
the
past
decades
to
many
decades
below
our
water
treatment
plant
has
been
has
been
effluent,
at
least
to
the
confluence,
with
osceola
creek.
D
So
in
your
example
of
10
acre
feet.
If,
if
they,
if
there
was
10
acre
feet
available
before
the
city
was
in
play,
then
there's
probably
10
times
that
has
become
available
through
effluent
and
now
we're
and
now
we're
going
to
peel.
Some
of
that
back
and
and
this
stuff
gets
pretty
complicated
and
it's
hard
to
sort
of
explain
it
without
looking
at
a
map
and-
and
you
know
sitting
together.
So
I
would
would
very
much
welcome
if
you
have
the
time
to
to
sit
with
me
or
my
team
and
talk
through
these
things.
D
But
I
will
also
say
that
there
is
a
pretty
in
detail
a
pretty
detailed
we're
working
on
a
lot
of
the
hydrology
of
the
lower
santa
fe
river
as
we
prepare
for
the
permanent
process
and
nepa.
So
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
the
questions
that
you
have
may
be
answered
in
the
next
six
months,
or
so
with
some
of
the
the
work
that
we're
doing.
But
if,
if
the
answers
are
not
satisfactory,
that
I'm
trying
to
give
now
more
than
happy
to
sit
with
you
at
any
point
and
try
and
explain
them
further.
E
Okay,
thank
you,
director,
roach
and,
as
you
said,
it's
it's
complicated.
Definitely
not
a
water
expert
like
you
and
I'm
just
trying
to
get
my
head
wrapped
around
this
whole
process.
So
thank
you.
I
really
appreciate
you
trying
to
put
it
in
in
layman's
terms
for
me
just
because
I
think
sometimes
that's
the
easiest
to
digest
and
understand,
especially
for
me,
and
I
just
appreciate
you
kind
of
giving
more
of
a
thorough
overview
of
and
responses
to
the
questions
I
had.
I
definitely
appreciate
it.
No
more
questions,
mr
chair.
Thank
you,
director,
rich.
B
You
councillor
councilwoman
romero
worth.
Do
you
have
a
follow-up
question.
G
G
And
that
may
be,
you
know
the
next
thing
we
have
to
do
because
from
what
I
understand,
we're
gonna
have
wet
years
and
dry
years,
and
when
we
have
wet
years,
I
think
we
do
want
to
make
sure
that
we
are
capturing
that
water
and
one
way
to
do
that
is
to
put
it
into
the
ground
in
into
the
aquifers
so
that
we
can
draw
on
it
in
the
dry
years.
G
And
that
may
be,
you
know,
kind
of
the
next
thing
we
need
to
do
and
as
as,
if
we
look
at
the
city's
history
of
how
we've
met
the
water
needs,
you
know
we
we've
done
a
variety
of
things,
including
you
know,
bring
on
the
bdd
facility
bring
on
the
the
the
well
fields.
G
So
you
know,
and
now
we're
we're
in
the
permitting
process
for
the
return
flow
pipeline
so
that
we
can
fully
utilize
our
san
juan
chamber
water
and
make
sure
that
we're
not
wasting
any
of
that.
So
to
me
that
the
next
thing
we're
going
to
need
to
do
is-
and-
and
I
don't
know
you
know-
I'm
sure
the
water
division
may
have
things
maybe
even
prior
to
this.
But
to
me
I
think
we've
got
to
get
serious
about
aquifer
storage
and
recovery
and
there's
also
much
more.
G
We
can
do
in
in
water
conservation.
You
know,
we've
done
a
lot
with
residential,
we
there's
more
to
be
done
in
commercial,
and
that
is
some
of
the
work
that's
going
on
with
the
water
conservation
committee,
and
so
I
think,
there's
a
lot
a
lot.
We
can
still
do
to
be
more
resilient
and
to
again
use
this
resource
very
wisely
very
carefully,
because
nobody,
we
need
to
have
the
water.
This
community
needs
to
thrive
and
live,
so
just
thought:
I'd
throw
that
out
there.
Mr
chair,
thank
you.
B
Thank
you
any
other
questions
from
the
committee
director
roach.
With
regards
to
just
the
follow
up
on
counselor
michael
garcia's
question.
The
epa
doesn't
allow
us
to
put
untreated
water
into
the
into
the
river
flow
below
the
treatment
plant.
Is
that
correct.
D
B
So
currently,
either
yourself
or
director
jones.
All
the
water
going
downstream
is
treated
effluent,
basically
correct.
D
I
would
say
all
the
water
that
goes
out
of
the
treatment
plant
and
goes
downstream
is
treated
there's
also.
Storm
flows
there's
other
water
that
can
enter
the
river
system
that
wouldn't
be
treated
effluent,
but
on
a
day
when
it's
not
raining
before
you
hit
spring
systems
downstream,
all
the
water
would
be
in
that
location
between
the
treatment
plant
and
the
next
set
of
inflows
would
be
treated
effluent.
D
B
Just
wanted
to
clarify
that
and
then
you
know
you,
you
gave
your
outlook
on
water
and
I'm
glad
looking
pretty
good,
but
I
think
we
send
mixed
messages
when
we
talk
about
water
here,
but
then
we
cancel
things
like
the
fishing
derby
and
not
that
I
disagree.
I
think
we
probably
need
to
cancel
it
because
I
do
have
water
concerns.
Just
like
everybody
else,
and
I
hear
it
from
everybody
else,
but
do
you
think
we're
sending
mixed
messages
when
we,
when
we
say
the
two
things
that
we're
saying.
D
I,
I
think,
that's
a
a
hard
question.
It's
a
policy
question
and
I
support
I
mean
I
think
we
could.
D
We
do
send
a
little
bit
of
a
mixed
message
and
the
decision
you
know
not
to
have
the
fishing
derby
because
of
low
reservoir
levels
and
and
low
rain
is
is
one
I
can
support,
and
also
we
we
could
send
to
me
is
more
of
a
timing
issue
than
that
I
mean
we
have
decided.
D
We
will
bypass
a
certain
amount
of
water
to
the
river,
but
we
might
not
have
the
river
inflows
on
the
date
of
the
fishing
derby
to
actually
support
the
amount
of
water
that
I
believe
the
biologists
would
want
us
to.
So
I'm
I'm
not
expert
on
on
the
fishing
derby,
but
I
I
understand
your
point
that
maybe
there's
a
little
bit
of
a
mixed
message
here.
If
we
say
we're
fine,
but
we
don't
have
enough
water
for
the
fishing
derby.
B
D
B
Just
I
think
we
need
to
be
careful
on
our
messaging
and
you
know
currently
out
meeting
with
constituents.
I've
heard
the
comment
that
you
can't
drink
water
rights.
You
can't
put
water
rights
into
a
cup
and
drink
them.
B
So
I
think
we've
had
this
conversation
before
about
trying
to
explain
in
layman's
terms
how
water
paper
water
rights
translate
water
in
your
cup
or
water
at
your
at
your
faucet,
and
I
think
that's
a
hard
thing
to
grasp
for
a
lot
of
people,
including
probably
some
of
the
counselors
some
of
us,
and
I
don't
know
what
the
best
way
to
get
that
messaging
out.
But
I
think
when
you
try
to
explain
water
rights
when
you're
building
an
apartment
complex,
it's
hard
to
grasp
the
idea
of
how
water
rights
turn
paper.
B
Water
rights
turn
into
actual
water
at
the
top.
So
just
keep
that
in
mind
as
well.
G
Mr
chair,
I
I
think
director
roach
correct
me.
If
I'm
wrong,
don't
you
on
the
website,
have
a
presentation
by
our
city
attorney
marcus
martinez
on
that
question
of
paper
water
rights,
it
was
there.
I
thought
at
one
point.
G
That
might
be
something
worth
sending
out
to
the
committee,
because
I
know
because
of
you
know
it
is
this
time
of
year
when
people
are
meeting
with
constituents,
and
these
questions
do
come
up,
might
help
to
refresh
us
all
and
also
have
something
to
point
to,
because
I
know
we
did
have
city
attorney,
marcus
martinez,
assistant
city
attorney,
I
think,
is
his
title
discussed
that
very
point
at
the
at
the
next
generation
water
summit
last
year
as
part
of
a
panel,
and
I
think
it
it
might
help
us
just
to
refresh.
B
Thank
you.
Yes,
if
we
can
make
sure
that
that's
still
up,
maybe
along
with
the
presentation
now
that
you
just
referenced,
I
think
that
would
be
a
good
idea.
B
A
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
just
a
question.
I
guess,
and
I'm
pretty
sure
this
is
something
related
to
probably
hiring
city
engineers,
but
how?
How
long
are
we
going
to
continue
to
to
outsource
that,
and
are
we
looking
at
having
engineers
hired
by
the
city
to
address
these
issues.
F
Chairman
councillor
lee
garcia,
thank
you
so
much
for
that
question.
Actually
it
is
not
our
standard
process
to
do
internal
design.
The
city
has
never
well
hasn't,
for
quite
some
time
had
engineering
professional
services
on
staff.
To
that
extent,
to
be
able
to
do
all
the
design
work
for
our
extensive
road
projects,
these
are
for
the
trail
projects.
The
road
projects,
like
those
big
design
packages
that
you'll
see,
and
so
we
don't
normally
do
those
in-house.
There
are
engineering
positions
in
public
works
actually
too
at
this
well.
F
Two
at
this
point
that
are,
we
think,
will
fill
with
engineers,
but
no,
these
types
of
services
are
always
done
by
professional
services,
and
we
use
a
number
of
different
companies
with
on-call
contracts
to
to
perform
this
for
us
and
and
their
services,
as
the
memo
says,
are
paid
by
the
project
funds
because
they
are
part
of
these
big
projects.
A
B
Thank
you.
That
concludes
our
consent
agenda.
We're
on
the
item.
Eight
no
action
items
for
discussion
item
nine
is
introduction
of
legislation.
G
I'm
prepared
to
introduce
this
item
if
you're
ready
for
that.
Yes,
okay,
so
this
is
consideration
of
a
resolution
adopting
the
city
of
santa
fe's
fiscal
year,
2022
2023
operating
budget
and
organizational
chart.
The
sponsors
are
the
mayor
and
myself
and
the
staff
on
this
is
our
finance
director,
mary
mccoy,
and
we
are
introducing
this
tonight
and
it
will
be
in
front
of
the
governing
body
on
wednesday
night.
B
Okay,
all
right,
thank
you.
I
don't
believe
we're
going
to
ask
questions.
It's
just
the
introduction
of
the
legislation,
so
thank
you.
Councilwoman
romeroworth,
on
the
item.
10
no
executive
session,
11
matters
from
staff.
I'm
sorry.
H
Director
jones,
mr
chair,
just
a
brief
comment.
I
think
there
was
some
great
discussion
today,
definitely
around
some
complex
item
and
so
just
make
sure
it
wasn't
missed,
but
we're
absolutely
willing
to
meet
with
any
counselor
kind
of
going
off
for
tours
of
the
facility.
I
would
say
if
you've
already
seen
it,
I
would
see
it
again.
H
We
do
this
all
day
every
day
and
these
conversations
they
move
they
develop.
H
So
the
information
is
real
time,
and
so
again
we
just
want
to
make
sure
everyone
knows
that
we're
available
to
to
me
to
answer
your
questions,
to
go
in
depth
to
try
to
gain
as
much
understanding
and
confidence
from
the
governing
body.
So
we
are
available
to
do
that.
Just
wanted
to
state
that
no
other
matters,
mr
chair,
thank
you.
B
Thank
you
director
jones
matters
from
the
committee.
B
Semen
matters
from
the
chair,
so
I
will
remind
everybody
that
we
will
at
some
point
here,
probably
in
hopefully
june
and
july,
have
some
of
our
meetings
at
the
facilities
that
we're
talking
about
every
meeting
so
up
at
canyon,
road
water
treatment
plan
plant
in
that
area,
maybe
autobahn
or
in
that
area,
and
then
have
a
tour
of
the
reservoirs,
the
watershed,
the
canyon
road
water
treatment
plant.
B
We
can
we've
had
meetings,
I
think
of
water
as
well
and
then
at
waste
water.
So
we
will
and
including
bdd.
I
think
if,
if
we
can
get
out
there,
so
we'll
try
to
get
that
done
as
we've
done
in
the
past
and
I'll
give
everyone
an
opportunity
to
really
view
those
areas
and
be
able
to
ask
more
in-depth
questions
if
needed.
B
Also
our
next
meeting
monday
may
9th
ms
mihalsik
did
ask
if
we
could,
on
a
trial
basis,
have
the
meeting
in
person.
I
think
they're
thinking
the
the
governing
body
meeting
on
the
following
wednesday
would
be
an
in
person.
So
they
want
to
use
us
as
a
trial
period
for
our
trial
session
for
prior
to
governing
bodies
so
which
I've
agreed
to
stay
tuned,
we'll
see
if
they're
actually
ready
for
it
or
not.
B
If
it's
going
to
be
a
hybrid
model
or
if
it's
going
to
be
a
full
live
in
person
and
more
deep,
more
details
to
come
so
just
be
on
the
lookout
for
some
of
that
so
with
here.
Mr.
G
D
B
Yeah
so
again
be
on
the
lookout
for
more
details
with
that
all
right
with
that
we
are
adjourned
again,
our
next
meeting
monday
may
night.
Thank
you
all
very
much
good
evening.