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A
You
should
be
live
streaming
now,
counselor,
okay,
thank
you,
we'll
call
the
public
works
and
utilities
committee
meeting
for
january
10th
2022
to
order.
We
have
a
roll
call
vote.
Please
miss
diaz.
A
Thank
you.
Next
approval
of
the
agenda,
any
changes
from
staff
versus
wheeler.
C
Yes,
chairman,
thank
you.
So
much
change
from
staff
would
be
to
remove
item
7i.
It
needs
some
more
work
and
it'll
be
brought
back
when
it's
ready.
A
A
Very
good
anything
else.
A
Thank
you
anything
from
the
committee
wishes
of
that
committee.
A
E
E
A
Thank
you
and
councillor
chavez
and
councillor
lee
garcia.
If
you
guys
have
any
questions
about
anything
that
we're
doing
or
the
way
we're
doing
it,
please
stop
us
at
any
time
and
we'll
try
to
explain
it
or
you
know
let
you
kind
of
get
a
feel
for
how
it's
going
to
go.
But
so
approval
of
the
agenda
is
just
how
the
meetings
kind
of
set
up.
If
there's
anything
they
want
to
pull
and
then
the
next
item.
A
Approval
of
the
consent
agenda
is
your
opportunity
to
pull
items
that
you
may
have
questions
on.
So
if
you
want
to
pull
a
specific
item
off
the
consent
agenda,
you
request
to
pull
it
and
then
we'll
when
we
get
to
that
point,
we'll
ask
you
what
your
questions
are
so
just
to
give
you
a
feel
for
that.
How
that
goes.
A
So
now
we're
approval
of
the
consent
agenda.
Any
changes
from
staff,
no
changes
from
staff.
Mr
chair,
all
right
is
there
anything
committee
members
would
like
to
pull
or
have
any
questions
on.
D
A
Motion
for
approval
is
amended,
I
think,
by
councilor,
michael
garcia.
Is
that
correct
all
right
in
a
second,
my
concert
romero
worth
any
further
discussion.
Roll
cover,
please
mistius.
F
G
A
We
have
three
presentation,
informational
items.
The
first
one
is
6a.
Can
you
read
that
into
the
record?
Please.
A
Oh,
I'm
sorry:
approval
of
the
minutes
item
five
approval
of
the
minutes
from
december
13th
2021.
G
I
guess
in
this
instance
I
should
probably
have
seen
as
well,
since
I
was
not
a
member,
and
I
was
I
did
second
on
that
motion,
so
is
that
is
that
okay.
A
I
think
it
is
my
understanding
of
the
minutes.
Is
that
it's
really
just
to
substance
of
what
was
in
there?
It's
not
that
you
were
a
participant.
It's
just
that
you
know
you
acknowledge
that
you
looked
at
them
and
that
everything
seems
to
be
in
order.
A
We
may
I
don't
know
anybody
from
legal
on,
but
that's
my
understanding
of
it.
Okay
say
yes,.
A
A
B
E
A
E
It
also
was
formally
implemented
in
a
in
a
city
council
resolution
in
2015,
which
basically
committed
the
water
division
to
implement
a
formal
asset
management
plan.
Further
new
mexico,
water
trust
fund
rules
require
that
we
make
sort
of
regular
progress,
reports
and
statuses
to
the
governing
body
and
in
some
cases,
maybe
internally.
So
this,
I
believe,
is
the
first
report
we've
made
since
we've
had
really
implemented
an
asset
management
plan
in
future.
E
E
E
It
also
does
a
risk
and
criticality
assessment,
including
probability
of
failure
and
consequences
of
failure
for
various
assets,
and
then
it
also
includes
asset
life
cycle
management.
Looking
at
the
life
full
life
cycle
of
our
assets,
long-term
funding
needs
and
like
any
of
these
sort
of
living
documents,
a
continuous
improvement
requirement.
E
We've
got
nine
storage,
tanks,
totaling
34.6
million,
gallons
of
storage
and
that's
finished
water
ready
to
be
delivered.
There's
two
reservoirs,
nine
city
and
13
buckman
wells
and
two
water
treatment
plants
that
includes
the
canyon,
road,
water
treatment
plant
and
the
city's
partial
ownership
of
the
bdd
plant.
E
E
So
if
you
were
to
add,
put
vdd
in
and
correct
for
the
fact
that
replacement
costs
have
probably
gone
up
since
2019
2020
we're
looking
at
you
know,
probably
a
billion
dollars
worth
of
assets
in
the
water
system.
E
So
long-term
funding
requirements,
the
asset
management
plan,
sort
of
laid
out
life
cycle
costs,
including
replacement
of
major
assets
and
ran
it
out
to
the
year
2050.
E
So
if
you
look
at
that
sort
of
curve
and
planned
life
cycle
replacement
and
refurbishment
that
results
in
an
average
annual
investment
of
about
13
and
a
half
million
dollars
needed,
that's
probably
about
double
what
we've
been
historically
spending.
E
I'd
also
like
to
mention
that
this
slide,
which
is
in
the
report
and
you
know,
was
accurate
in
in
2019-2020-
could
be
updated
because
we've
added
some
fairly
significant
reservoir
improvements,
which
boost
basically
increase
our
cip
funding
for
the
next
roughly
five
years.
It's
spread
out
so
the
beginning
of
this
graph,
if
you
included
our
planned
cip
right
now,
would
include
additional
funding
starting
next
year
on
the
order
of
20
million
a
year.
If
we
can
manage
the
projects
at
that
level,.
E
Basically,
the
asset
management
industry
has
matured
quite
a
bit,
as
you
might
imagine,
there's
a
lot
of
you
know:
firms
that
specialize
in
asset
management
and
very
specific
software,
so
part
of
our
effort
back
in
2019
and
2020
was
to
generate
software
requirements
so
that
we
can
evaluate
software
packages
commercial
software
packages.
E
Our
first
choice
will
be
to
use
the
tyler
what's
called
eam.
I
think
that's
called
enterprise
asset
management.
E
That
would
be
our
first
choice
because
the
city
already
has
an
enterprise
license
with
tyler,
but
we
don't
want
to
commit
to
that,
because
this
software
has
some
very
specific
requirements
and
if
that
tyler
package
does
not
really
meet
our
needs,
we'd,
like
you
know,
we
reserve
the
right
to
go
out
and
look
for
other
softwares
available,
and
the
plan
would
be
to
evaluate
software
packages
this
spring
and
then
purchase
or
you
know,
implement
them
over
the
next
year
or
so.
A
A
I
don't
see
any
hands,
virtual
or
otherwise.
John
I
did
want
to
ask
you.
Is
this?
Is
this
just
for
water,
or
is
this
waste
water
as
well.
E
Yeah
this
would
include
source
of
supply,
so
it
would
be
basically,
you
know
from
the
rio
grande
to
our
water
treatment
plants
or
the
watershed
to
our
plants
into
our
distribution
system.
A
All
right,
and
does
this
look
at
really
the
use
of?
Is
it
purple
pipe
that
looks
at
reusing
water
for
for
landscaping
and
things
like
that,
or
is
this
just
just
distribution.
E
E
H
A
Right,
that's
what
I
thought
so
does
this
asset
management
plan
look
at
that
well
system
as
part
of
the
asset
management,
or
does
it
skip
that.
H
Well,
I
mean
it's
definitely
included
there.
I
don't
know
the
details
specifically
for
santa
fe.
Well,
I
think
it's
utilizing.
You
know
like
our
historical
cost
when
we
incorporated
that
well,
but
I
don't
think
it
includes
any
other.
You
know
other
conditions
of
the
well
and
the
actual
mitigation
of
that
program.
A
All
right,
thank
you.
I
think.
That's
all
I
had
mr
del
mar
thank
you
for
your
presentation
and
if
you
can,
when
you
have
a
chance,
if
you
can
send
that
presentation
to
all
the
committee
members
just
to
have
as
part
of
their
file
system,
I
guess
I
think
that
would
be
great.
G
Yeah,
I
just
thank
you
for
that
presentation,
john
and
just
a
question.
How
often
is
this
looked
at
in
regards
to
maybe
the
last
time
the
management
plan
was
was
looked
at
and
how
often
do
you
guys
take
a
look
at
the
water
usage
and
how
it's
being
implemented
as
far
as
this
asset
management.
E
Yeah,
thank
you,
mr
chair
councillor,
garcia.
G
So
then,
my
my
assumption,
with
implementation
of
the
the
systems
that
you
guys
will
be
putting
in
place,
will
be
a
little
easier
to
gather
that
data.
Is
that
correct.
E
I
E
That
you
know,
and
with
the
sort
of
the
advent
of
asset
management
software
and
all
these
improvements
in
that
industry,
we
hope
to
get
something
that
is
fairly
comprehensive,
it'll
cross
between
our
billing
division,
which
handles
a
lot
of
the
customer
service,
calls
our
transmission
and
distribution
and
source
of
supply.
A
Okay,
shannon,
so
you
know
we
looked
at
a
the
last
slide,
I
think
showed
a
pretty
comprehensive
cip
plan
or
replacement
plan
with
several
millions
of
dollars.
I
know
at
one
point:
we
had
quite
a
bit
of
funding
to
do
these
replacements.
How
do
we
look
now.
K
Mr
chair
members
of
the
committee,
thank
you
for
that
question.
Again,
as
the
asset
management
plan
becomes
that
guidance
document,
it
does
give
us
another
metrics
to
look
into
work
going
forward.
So
our
position,
the
water
division,
still
has
a
sound
financial
standing.
K
We
continue
to
update
plan
annually,
which
includes
looking
at
our
cip,
our
cip,
I
think,
currently,
in
the
the
days
and
the
years
that
we're
experiencing
now,
we
are
looking
at
a
lot
of
opportunities
for
both
state
and
federal
funding,
which
will
what
you're,
anticipating
will
be
a
large
part
of
of
what
our
future
looks
like
both
near
and
mid-term.
K
So
right
now,
that's
that's
where
my
optimism
is
absolutely
the
water
division
again,
while
they're
financially
sound,
they
there's,
they
couldn't
fund
their
whole
cip
right.
That's
that's!
That's
too,
too
massive
amount,
even
the
amount
of
work
right,
it's
hard
to
get
all
that
cranked
out.
So
again
we
go
through
prioritizing.
K
The
project
is
assessed
for
whether
we
use
cash
on
hand,
whether
it's
our
our
lending
ability
as
they
keep
their
their
excellent
credit
rating
and
then
again,
looking
at
outside
funding
sources.
All
we
keep
all
those
on
the
table
and
and
use
all
those
tools
in
that
toolbox.
A
Yeah
a
little
bit,
thank
you
appreciate
it
anything
else
from
committee
members.
L
Thank
you,
mr
chair
members
of
the
committee.
I
am
going
to
present
and
well.
My
name
is
jesse
roach.
I
am
the
water
division
director.
We
also
refer
to
ourselves
generally
in
sort
of
public-facing
documents
as
city
of
santa
fe
water,
but
sort
of
from
a
city
perspective.
We
are
the
water
division
and
I'm
going
to
present
on
the
sort
of
a
supply
and
demand
summary
update
from
last
year.
L
Welcome
to
the
committee
to
councilwoman
chavez
and
councilor
lee
garcia.
We
look
forward
to
working
with
you
and
I
will
go
ahead
and
share
my
screen.
L
And
I'm
going
to
start
by
sharing
just
our
website,
so
city
of
santa
fe,
I'm
sorry
santa
fenm.gov,
slash
water
from
that
page.
You
can
get
to
the
report
that
I'm
about
to
present.
It
says
2021
supply
and
demand
update
if
you
click
on
that
it
it'll
download
download
a
pdf
in
the
interest
of
time.
I
already
did
that.
So
this
is
what
you
would
see,
and
I
wanted
to
start
with
a
little
bit
of
of
background
and
jargon.
L
We
we
get
into
the
trees
and
we
sort
of
forget
to
give
a
little
bit
of
background
sometimes,
and
so
a
couple
of
the
main
ones
that
I
would
like
to
go
over
is
that
we
we
have
four
different
sources
of
water
and
two
of
those
utilize,
what
we
will
sort
of
interchangeably
call
either
surface
water
or
river
water.
So
we
have
a
treatment
plant
at
the
top
of
canyon
road
up
near
the
audubon
center
and
that
treats
santa
fe
river
water.
L
That's
stored
in
two
reservoirs
that
are
further
up
that
road
in
the
upper
santa
fe
river
watershed.
We
also
have
the
buckman.
We
are
co-owners
with
the
county,
the
buckman
direct
diversion
water
treatment
plant
and
that
treats
water
diverted
from
the
rio
grande
that,
in
our
in
our
case,
is
actually
colorado-
river
water
that
was
delivered
into
the
rio
grande
system
via
the
san
juan
shama
project,
and
that
water
is
stored
in
three
different
reservoirs
in
the
chama
system.
L
So,
in
both
cases,
this
surface
water
is
first
settled
with
gravity
to
get
out
the
sort
of
large
to
get
it
more
clear.
It's
filtered
and
it's
chlorinated
at
these
treatment
plants
and
that
these
two
water
sources-
these
are
surface
water
sources-
are
what
we
lean
on.
We
think
of
these
as
our
checkings
accounts.
L
We
know
exactly
what's
there
and
and
we
try
and
use
that
first,
the
other
two
sources
are
what
we'll
call
either
groundwater
or
well
water
interchangeably
either
of
those
means
the
same
thing
to
us,
and
these
come
from
underground
aquifers.
An
aquifer
is
a
sort
of
geologic
formation,
underground,
that's
saturated
it
with
water,
and
so
the
two
groundwater
sources
that
we
have
are
the
city
well
field,
which
consists
of
seven
wells
and
five
of
those
are
clustered
near.
L
The
santa
fe
river
between
saint
francis
and
o'leary,
and
then
we
have
the
buckman
well
field
and
that
consists
of
13
wells
and
nine
of
those
are
clustered
near
the
rio
grande
at
the
end
of
the
buckman
road.
Now
groundwater
is
naturally
filtered
as
it
moves
underground,
and
so
all
we
do
after
we
pump
it
out
of
a
well,
is
chlorinate
it
before
we
deliver
it
into
the
potable
system.
So
that's
just
a
little
bit
of
background
as
to
the
four
sources
of
water.
We
have
the
second
slide
on
this
presentation.
L
Now
I
mentioned
we
think
of
the
surface
water
sources
as
our
checking
account,
because
we
can
look
up
in
the
reservoirs
and
see
how
much
we
have
we
think
of
the
the
well
fields
as
our
savings
account.
These
in
some
ways
are
drought,
proof,
there's
water
sitting
there
waiting
for
us,
but
we
don't
have
as
good
a
handle
on
exactly
how
much
is
there
and
we
like
to
save
that
for
a
dry
day,
so
to
speak.
L
Okay,
so
from
there
I'm
just
going
to
give
a
little
bit
of
a
summary
of
what
happened
last
year
in
the
system
and
and
this
presentation
starts
with
sort
of
bulleted
points
showing
what
I'll
be
talking
on
figures
on
the
next
page.
So
I'm
gonna
go
ahead
and
move
forward
to
the
figure
and
then
I'll
read
from
these
bulleted
points.
L
As
I
talk
about
the
figure
so
during
the
year
of
2021,
the
calendar
year
of
2021,
we
produced
about
8
700,
acre
feet
of
potable
water
and
about
80,
almost
80
percent
of
that
came
from
our
surface
water
sources.
So
what
we're
looking
at
here
in
this
graph
is,
from
january
through
december,
how
much
water
came
from
the
santa
fe
river.
So
that's
the
light
blue
color
on
the
bottom,
how
much
water
came
from?
Actually
the
colorado
river
diverted
from
the
rio
grande?
That's
the
darker
blue
shade
here.
L
So
this
is
the
buckman
direct
diversion
water
and
then,
on
top
of
that
is
the
city.
Wells
is
the
orange
and
on
top
of
that
is
the
yellow.
Is
the
buckman
wells.
So
that's
what
we
produced
during
the
year.
You
can
see
that
in
the
winter
we
have
sort
of
a
stable
demand
and
we
that's
essentially
our
indoor
water
use,
and
then,
during
the
summer
that
demand
comes
up
and
almost
doubles,
and
that's
that
sort
of
seasonal
peak
is
our
outdoor
water
use.
L
The
gray
line
actually
shows
the
amount
of
water
that
we
sold
to
customers
through
their
meters
through
the
year,
and
that
was
about
94
of
what
we
produced
so
8200
acre
feet
were
actually
sold
to
customers
of
the
approximately
8700
acre
feet
that
we
produced
and
that
extra
six
percent
is
sometimes
referred
to
as
unaccounted
water,
and
that's
actually
a
pretty
good
number,
and
essentially
that's
water
that
is
is
is
associated
with
leaks
or
main
breaks
or
fires,
or
places
where
we're
not
actually
metering.
L
The
water
that
gets
used
so
about
21
came
from
our
groundwater
system,
and
with
that
I
will
move
to
the
next
sort
of
set
of
figures
and
slides
before.
So.
Actually,
I'm
going
to
talk
through
this
before
I
go
on
to
the
figure
that
that
it
is
associated
with,
because
there
are
a
few
things
here
that
are,
that
will
be
new
to
everybody
on
the
committee.
L
Perhaps
that
are
worth
revisiting,
so
we
added
about
one
percent
meters
in
2021,
but
despite
that,
we
produced
less
water
in
2021
than
we
had
in
2020,
and
so
this
is
a
result
likely
of
both
continued
conservation
efforts
and
also
last
summer
we
had
relatively
good
summer
rains
so
when
we
have
good
summer
rains
that
will
reduce
the
amount
of
potable
water
that
folks
use
in
their
yards.
L
Now,
how
does
that?
Eighty,
eighty
seven
hundred
acre
feet
relate
to
kind
of
what
we
think
is
our
renewable
water
availability.
Well,
it's
it's
about
three
quarters
of
it.
So
as
we
enter
into
another
very
dry
year,
I
think
counselors
will
probably
hear
from
concerned
citizens
about
how
do
we
have
enough
water
in
the
midst
of
this
drought,
and-
and
I
hope
that
if
you
take
something
away
from
this
presentation,
it
will
be
that
we
have
reduced
over
the
last
25
years.
L
L
Now
I'm
going
to
dig
down
into
the
really
into
the
weeds
here
with
these
next
four
bullets.
Don't
worry
if,
if
you
don't
capture
all
this,
just
wanted
to
kind
of
defend
this
12
000
acre
feet
per
year
from
2010
through
2021,
our
average
allocation
of
colorado
river
water
was
about
4
800
acre
feet
per
year,
so
we're
assuming
with
evaporation
and
other
losses
we
on
average
will
have
about
4
500
acre
feet
of
available
water
from
the
colorado
river
from
1999
through
2021.
L
When
we
put
that
together,
we
estimate
a
renewable
water
supply
of
about
12,
000.,
so
visually.
What
that
looks
like
in
terms
of
what
we
produced
last
year
and
where
we
are
from
a
sort
of
year
in
and
year
out,
estimated
renewable
supply
is
shown
here
and
essentially
we're
seeing
that
about.
80
percent
of
the
water
was
from
surface
water
sources
about
20
percent
from
groundwater
sources
and
this
dotted
line.
L
So
the
the
the
blue
and
the
orange
stacked
on
top
of
each
other
are
what
we
actually
produced
in
21,
and
this
dotted
gray
line
is
what
we
produced
in
2020.
So
that's
just
again
to
show
that,
despite
continued
growth,
we
we
produced
less
than
we
had
and
then
compared
this
sort
of
total
production
of
less
than
9000
acre
feet
compared
to
an
estimated
total
sort
of
renewable
availability
of
about
12
thousand
and
then
finally,
a
quick
look
at
our
checkings
accounts.
L
I
will
read
from
these
bullets
as
I,
as
I
show
you
all
the
the
two
graphics
here.
So
on
the
left
side,
we
see
santa
fe
river
reservoir
storage,
so
there
are
two
reservoirs
up
there.
L
They're
named
nichols
and
mcclure
and
we're
looking
at
how
much
water
was
in
storage
on
the
dark
blue
line
in
2021
and
how,
through
the
year
from
january
through
december,
and
how
that
compares
to
2019
in
yellow
and
2020
in
orange,
we
ended
the
year
with
750
acre
feet
of
water
in
storage,
which
is
only
19
capacity.
L
But
generally
we
end
the
year
sort
of
as
low
as
we're
going
to
get
to
make
space
for
runoff.
In
the
spring,
we
had
almost
12
000
acre
feet
of
colorado.
River
water
in
storage
in
the
three
reservoirs,
where
this
is
in
storage,
are
named,
heron,
elvato
and
abiquiu.
If
you've
heard
of
those
and
just
to
point
out
again
that
just
the
colorado
river
water
alone
is
about
1.4
times
our
annual
demand
in
the
city.
L
So
this
is
a
nice
checking
account
to
have
in
terms
of
having
this
in
storage
as
we
go
into
a
dry
year,
and
I
think
that
will
that's
probably
enough
on
the
reservoirs
and
then
finally,
and
and
this
report
follows
sort
of
a
format
that
we
try
and
stick
to
so
that
you
start
to
get
used
to
what
we're
showing
this
last
piece
is
just
kind
of
a
miscellaneous
informational
item
for
you,
and
I
don't
know
how
many
folks
have
heard
it.
L
But
there
is
a
myth
out
there
that
we
have
the
most
expensive
water
in
the
country,
and
this
is
likely
a
result
of
a
rate
study
in
2016,
where
a
group
called
circle
of
blue
looked
at
our
rates.
If
someone
were
to
use
600
gallons
per
meter
per
day
that,
if
you
did
apply
that
scenario,
you
would
get
a
water
bill
in
santa
fe
of
153
dollars
per
month.
L
L
Our
average
residential
use
is
way
below
600
gallons
per
meter
per
day,
and
so
we
looked
at
20,
20
bills
and
and
found
that
the
average
use
is
is
much
less
than
150
is
actually
less
than
150
gallons
per
meter
per
day,
so
like
a
quarter
of
what
they
were
looking
at
and
in
2020
92
of
our
customers
paid
less
than
105
per
month
for
water,
so
that
should
be
150.
Oh
no
105..
L
So
it's
sort
of
apples
to
apples
to
oranges
in
terms
of
looking
at
what
our
rates
are
versus
what
people
actually
pay
for
water
and
just
to
support
that
a
little
bit
more.
The
difference
between
potential
and
actual
bills
is
supported
by
a
bill.
Specific
study
that
that
same
group
did
that
showed
that
our
average
bill
lands
in
the
middle
of
other
water
utilities
evaluated.
L
So
this
figure
here
shows
from
that
study,
and
so
you
see
the
cities,
phoenix
tucson,
other
salt
lake
city,
other
southwestern
cities,
and
that
what
we
use
is
in
red,
so
our
use
is
low
and
what
we
pay
is
in
blue
is
is
in
the
middle
of
these
of
these
cities.
A
Thank
you
jesse.
Any
questions
for
mr
roach.
A
I
don't
see
any
hands
jesse,
so
you
know
we've
heard
a
lot
in
the
papers
recently
about.
Do
we
have
enough
water
to
support
the
growth
that
we
have
in
santa
fe
with
apartments
housing,
you
know
other
growth
possibilities.
Your
answer
to
this
is
that
we
have
enough
water
to
support
those
subdivisions
or
areas
of
growth.
L
Kiravera
members
of
the
committee-
yes,
the
the
answer,
the
short
answer
is
yes,
and-
and
there
are
a
few
reasons
that
that
can
go
into
supporting
that
answer,
but
I
think
the
first
one
is
that
we
have
reduced
our
total
demand
to
a
place
where
we
are
using.
Maybe
three
quarters
of
what
we
think
is
sustainably
available
at
the
moment.
G
Getting
used
to
this
ipad
here
so
what
would
be
the,
I
guess,
kind
of
worst
case
scenario:
if
we
continue
in
in
a
drought
pattern
and
taking
into
consideration
the
current
growth
of
santa
fe
with
the
new
housing
developments
or
proposed
apartments
that
are
online
so
on
and
so
forth,
and
you
know,
is
there
a
crisis
management
plan
that
that
kind
of
the
city
has
in
place
for
for
to
address
that
issue?.
L
I
think
this
is
well
answered
by
a
brief
explanation
of
our
planning
process
and
that's
something
that's
been
supported
actively,
particularly
by
councillor
romero,
worth
and
and
in
that
planning
process,
and
this
is
our
long-range
sort
of
water
resources
planning
process
where
we
look
at
different
scenarios
for
growth,
and
we
also
look
at
different
scenarios
for
supply,
and
so
we
put
different
demand
growth
scenarios
together,
low
and
high
growth
and
different
supply
scenarios
together,
which
include
incorporation
of
climate
change
impacts
and
a
couple
of
the
key
takeaways
from
the
last
time
we
did
that
which
was
2015
and
then
updated
again
in
2018
were
that
both
of
those
things
both
potential
growth
and
potential
reduction
of
supply
through
climate
change
are
things
that
we
need
to
address.
L
L
Now,
if
you
put
the
the
worst
case,
climate
change
scenarios
together
with
the
highest
growth
and
highest
sort
of
growth,
demand
scenarios-
if
you
put
those
two
things
together
and-
and
I
would
say
that
the
likelihood
of
both
of
those
things
happening
is-
is
fairly
low.
But
we
try
to
be
very
conservative.
So
we
do
look
at
these
kind
of
worst
case
scenarios.
L
Now,
that's
too
soon
for
us,
and
so
one
of
the
things
that
you'll
become
aware
of
is
that
we're
spending
quite
a
bit
of
energy
at
the
moment
at
city
of
santa
fe
water
working
on
a
project,
that's
called
the
san
juan
chamber,
a
turnflow
pipeline
and
that
project
will
allow
the
colorado
river
sourced
portion
of
our
our
wastewater
to
start
to
be
indirectly
put
back
into
our
potable
system
and
so
that
12
000
acre
feet
per
year.
L
Number
that
I
gave
you
that
was
without
any
reuse
of
our
our
wastewater
effluent,
and
so
we
think
we
can
push
that
sort
of
sustainable
number
up
to
you
know.
Eighteen
thousand
acre
feet
per
year
and
essentially
conservation,
continued
conservation
and
then
the
ability
to
utilize
some
of
our
effluent.
Those
are
the
two
pieces
that
we're
putting
in
place
to
stay
ahead
of
shortages.
L
In
a
worst-case
scenario,
and-
and
I
hope
that
that
was
answered-
your
question-
but
we
we
would
certainly
welcome
the
opportunity
to
give
you
more
information
on
the
planning
process
and
all
the
pieces
that
we're
putting
in
place
to
avoid
that
those
worst
case
scenarios.
A
Any
other
questions
for
mr
roach.
D
Mr
chair
councilor
maleworth,
thank
you
director
roach.
Can
you
just
touch
briefly
on
the
resolution
that
was
passed
gosh
when
was
it
2019
2018?
D
At
the
end
of
the
year
directing
that
there'd
be
developed,
40
and
80
year
water
plans
just
quickly?
I
think
it
would
help
counselor
lee
garcia,
understand
that
we
are,
and
the
community
at
large
really
understand
that
we
are
actively
planning.
While
we
understand
we
may
face
shortages
down
the
road
we
are
looking
at
through
those
water
planning
efforts
at
mitigation
strategies,
which
I
think
you
touched
on
a
little
bit.
You
know
there's
more.
D
We
can
do
in
conservation,
there's,
certainly
the
return
flow
pipeline
and
and
the
water
reuse,
but
if
you
could
just
maybe
touch
on
that
really
quickly.
As
long
as
the
topic
came
up,
thank
you.
L
Chair
rivera
councilwoman
romero,
thank
you
for
the
question
and
I
didn't
do
a
good
job
of
continuing
from
the
last
set
of
planning
efforts.
We
did
to
this
resolution
that
was
passed.
I
think
at
the
end
of
2019
directing
us
to
develop
40
and
80-year
water
plans,
and
we
have
started
into
that
cycle
and
we've
sort
of
set
up
a
five-year
planning
cycle,
and
in
that
first
year,
which
was
2020,
we
sort
of
laid
out
the
the
plan.
We
we
took
public
comment,
we
adjusted
the
plan
and
then
last
year
2021.
L
Our
intention
was
to
develop
supply
and
demand
scenarios
and
we're
working.
We've
made
quite
a
bit
of
progress
on
the
demand
scenarios.
The
supply
scenarios
are
a
little
bit
out
of
our
hands
because
we
rely
on
these
output
from
these
large
global
climate
models
so
that
that
piece
has
slipped
a
little
bit,
but
we're
essentially
now
still
in
year,
two
of
this
five
year
cycle
and
once
we
have
the
supply
and
demand
scenarios,
we
will
put
them
together
with
a
model,
a
quantitative
tool
that
we
have.
L
That
represents
our
system
and
then
we'll
look
at
mitigation
strategies
or
adaptation
strategies
and
that's
again,
where
active
community
involvement
will
come
into
play
in
terms
of
ideas.
Other
ways
that
we
can
approach
these
problems
and
then
in
the
final
year
we
will
sort
of
write
this
up
into
the
next
plan
for
our
long
long
range
water
resources,
development
at
40
and
up
to
80
years
out.
A
C
Thank
you,
miss
wheeler.
Thank
you,
chairman
members
of
the
committee.
Normally
we
we've
been
submitting
this
report
at
every
single
public
works
committee
meeting,
since
the
construction
of
the
streetlight
conversion
started,
and
normally
I
would
stand
for
questions
at
this
point,
but
I'd
like
to
take
a
minute
to
brief
the
new
counselors
on
the
committee
about
a
little
bit
of
background
about
this
project.
A
C
So
this
street
light
conversion
project
is
part
of
a
large
energy
conservation
project
that
the
governing
body
approved
last
february
2021,
it's
a
17
million
dollar
energy
and
water
conservation
project
that
will
install
three
megawatts
of
solar
around
the
city.
It's
the
largest
single
solar
project,
the
city's
ever
taken
on
on
water
it'll.
Do
water
conservation,
fixtures
around
the
city,
internal
led
lights,
to
conserve
energy,
as
well
as
the
conversion
of
the
street
lights,
which
was
a
three
million
dollar
piece
of
the
17
million
dollar
project.
C
All
of
our
street
lights
are
being
converted
to
led
and
that'll
save
over
60
percent
of
the
energy
that
it
costs
us
at
this
time
to
light
our
streets
it'll
also
result
in
better
reliability.
That
was
a
big
reason
why
we
took
this
on
the
street.
Lights
are
old
and
and
have
a
very
high
failure
rate
of
short-lived,
so
they're
high
energy
use.
They
fail
a
lot.
C
Pnm
was
required
to
maintain
our
street
lights
all
these
years,
based
on
prc
rate
20,
but
with
the
conversion
to
led
the
city
actually
has
the
opportunity
to
have
a
private
company,
maintain
these
street
lights,
and
so
it
really
can
increase
reliability.
First,
the
leds
fail
much
less
often
they
have
longer
life
and
they
also-
and
now
we
actually
have
an
online
system
monitoring
the
health
of
the
lights
and
we're
getting
much
faster
response
on
our
repairs.
C
So
the
governing
body
looked
at
this
opportunity
and
actually
took
out
a
17
million
dollar
energy
savings
loan
last
february
to
fund
this
whole
project
and
it's
well
underway.
With
the
street
lights.
We
took
a
little
pause
from
the
original
proposed
lighting
design.
C
You
might
have
read
about
in
the
paper
a
little
bit
and
we
had
originally
used
sort
of
the
nmdot
specifications,
the
standard
specs
for
and
the
actually
the
specs
that
pnm
has
for
converting
street
lights,
but
the
city
of
santa
fe,
of
course
wanted
something
special
and
different,
and
we
wanted
to
really
preserve
our
dark
skies
and
we
wanted
to
preserve
our
ambiance,
and
so
we
did
took
three
months
to
do
a
community
guided
lighting
design
that
resulted
in
a
lowest
kelvin,
which
is
sort
of
the
color
temperature
of
the
lights,
whether
it's
more
yellow
or
more
white.
C
So
the
lower
kelvins
give
you
a
more
yellow
light,
which
is
really
more
pleasant
and
less
less
impact.
We
also
decided
on
lights
that
have
lenses
on
them
which
reduces
glare
and
extra
side
shielding,
which
also
reduces
glare
and
reduces
fugitive
light.
So
in
may
of
2021,
the
governing
body
approved
the
community
guided
lighting
design,
which
was
protects,
dark
skies
and
protects
our
ambiance
while
saving
energy
and
increasing
reliability.
C
The
delkia
contract
delkia
is
the
company
that
was
awarded
the
contract
in
february
for
converting
the
lights
and
then
maintaining
them.
Their
contract
had
to
be
amended
with
this
community
guided
design,
and
that
was
done.
On
august
of
2021.
C
We
started
installation
of
conversion
of
the
city-owned
streetlights
in
october
of
2021
and
have
been
providing
a
report
to
the
public
works
committee
weekly
since
then,
throughout
the
installation
process.
Even
before
we
started
installation,
we
began
hanging
door
hangers
in
the
neighborhoods,
where
the
lights
would
change,
so
that
people
could
give
us
feedback,
they
could
call,
they
could
go
to
our
website
santafeled.com
and
we
haven't
gotten
a
ton
of
feedback,
but
what
we
have
gotten
is
generally
positive.
C
You
can
see
all
the
reports
that
we've
submitted
on
santa
feld.com.
Many
people
are
very
excited
because
they've
been
waiting
for
additional
shielding
that
they
want
to
request.
There
are
some
cases
where
the
orientation
of
a
street
light
to
somebody's
home
does
cause
it
to
shine
into
their
bedroom
or
living
room
or
onto
their
property
in
an
undesirable
way.
With
the
old
street
lights.
There
was
nothing
we
could
do
about
that
and
they
really
shone
all
over.
They
had
a
very,
very
wide
beam.
C
These
are
much
more
focused,
but
even
still,
some
customers
have
requested
shielding,
not
not
very
many,
but
all
of
those
shields
have
been
installed
already
that
have
been
requested,
and
so
that's
a
great
progress,
we're
being
able
to
be
much
more
responsive
and
to
manage
our
street
lights.
We're
actually
even
looking
forward
to
a
dimming
strategy
where
we
could
conceivably
save
more
energy
by
dimming
our
lights
after
hours
in
the
wee
hours
of
the
morning.
C
If
we
decide
to
do
that,
that
will
definitely
undertake
some
community
engagement
to
evaluate
that
and
we're
also
looking
at
having
a
process
where
community
members
could
ask
for
a
street
light
to
be
added
or
removed,
which
hasn't
existed
in
the
past
either,
and
so
we're
we're.
Definitely
taking
a
better
management
strategy
on
our
street
lights.
C
And
so
the
installation
by
deltia
is
well
underway.
And
I
actually
we
have
cheyenne
ernst
here
from
delkia
who
has
been
the
project
manager
on
the
delkin
side
and
supporting
the
governing
body
for
the
past
year
and
the
conversations
and
maybe
cheyenne
you
could
give
the
counselors
an
update
on
the
status
of
the
conversion.
M
Yeah
absolutely
thank
you
so
much
director
wheeler,
thank
you,
chairman
rivera
and
council
members
for
giving
us
the
opportunity
to
give
you
an
update
this
evening.
At
this
point,
we've
converted
just
over
2
600
of
the
about
3
500
lights
that
are
owned
by
the
city
of
santa
fe
in
the
street
lighting
network.
So
we're
just
about
75
of
the
way
complete.
M
M
There
are
some
about
100
lights
in
the
downtown
area
that
still
have
not
yet
been
converted,
but
other
than
that
things
are
running
really
smoothly.
As
director
wheeler
mentioned,
we
are
fulfilling
additional
shielding
requests
essentially
on
a
bi-weekly
basis,
and
we're
really
happy
to
report
that
to
date
we
have
had
no
safety
incidents
throughout
the
conversion
and
we're
looking
forward
to
wrapping
up
the
project
sometime
in
the
end
of
february.
C
Thank
you
so
much
cheyenne,
and
I
think
that,
with
that
council,
chairman
rivera
will
stand
for
questions.
A
Thank
you,
director,
wheeler
and
miss
ernst,
appreciate
you
being
here
with
us
tonight
any
questions
for
the
director
or
from
miss
ernst.
F
F
F
And
I
we
haven't
had
any
kind
of
before
and
after
of
that
drone
phases.
We've
had
a
lot
of
these
reports,
saying:
we've
replaced
x,
amount
of
lights
installed,
x,
amount
of
shields
and
whatnot,
but
none
of
the
drone
footage
and
whatnot.
So
do
you
know
when
we
anticipate
any
of
those
type
of
reports
to
be
given.
C
Thank
you
chairman
and
counselor,
michael
garcia,
for
the
question.
Actually,
there
is
drone
footage
of
two
different
areas,
actually
quite
a
bit
of
it
before
and
after
posted
on
the
project
website.
F
C
Thank
you
councillor.
There
are
very
large
files
and
we
can
certainly
run
them,
run
the
videos
during
the
next
council
meeting.
If
that's
preference
of
the
chair
during
the
next
I'm
sorry
public
works
meeting.
C
But
they
are
available
and
they
have
been
available
for
some
time.
We,
I
think,
also
one
thing
I
didn't
mention
was
during
the
community
engagement
process.
We
created
an
email
list
of
residents
who
would
be
very
interested
to
continue
to
be
updated
on
the
project
and
they
did
receive
an
update
another
newsletter
about
two
weeks
ago
and
it
provided
links
to
the
website
and
the
before
and
after
videos,
and
that
also
went
to
all
the
city
councillors.
F
For
public
works
for
public
works
because
I
think
that
I
thought
was
the
expectation
that
we
were
going
to
get
these
thorough
reports
and
not
not
a
hey.
Here's
a
link
to
the
report
that
is
in
the
packet,
and
let
me
know
if
you
have
any
questions,
but
if
that's
the
way
it's
going
to
be
presented,
I
guess
that's
what
we've
got
to
deal
with.
F
F
There
was
a
commitment
made
to
make
presentations
during
the
governing
body
meetings
not
solely
to
the
public
works
and
utilities
meeting,
and
I
think
that
that's
a
great
venue
for
the
public
to
become
aware
of
where
we
are
with
this
project.
I
I
know
that
there's
information
available
on
the
web,
but
it's
a
completely
different
process
when
folks
are
presented,
the
information,
whether
it's
during
the
committee
meeting
or
something
like
the
governing
body
meeting.
F
You
know,
especially
with
the
governing
body
meeting.
We
have
a
much
wider
audience
of
folks
that
watch
that
and-
and
if
I
recall
correctly
during
that
governing
body
meeting,
there
was
a
commitment
from
director
wheeler
to
make
monthly
reports
to
the
governing
body
meeting
or
to
the
governing
body,
and
we
haven't
had
such
since,
and
if
we
can
at
minimum
at
least
have
a
quick
update
and
then
I
know
we
should
be
finishing
up
the
project.
F
Correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
at
the
end
of
february,
so
I
think
it's
maybe
get
a
quick
update
and
then
enough
wrap-up
update
after
you
know,
maybe
march,
in
regards
to
overall
project
what
we
learned,
what
what
what's
going
well,
what's
not
going
well
etc,
because
I
think
it's
one
thing
to
install
everything
which
is
one,
but
I
think
I
would
consider
one
part
of
the
project.
F
The
second
part
is
going
to
be
the
upkeep
of
these
this
equipment,
and
I
think
there
had
been
concern
from
some
community
members
in
regards
to
faulty
equipment
that
was
installed
in
albuquerque
and,
and
I
think
we
want
to
do
everything
we
can
to
avoid
any
anything
like
that
from
happening
and
so
having
these
monthly
updates
presented
to
the
entire
governing
body.
F
That
way,
all
all
members
of
the
governing
body
are
aware,
but
as
as
well
for
the
public
to
be
be
aware,
I
think
that
that
would
be
greatly
appreciated
with
that
no
other
comments
or
questions.
Mr
chair,
thank
you.
A
Thank
you,
cancer.
Any
other
comments
or
questions.
D
Yes,
mr
chair
and,
I
believe,
councillor
chavez
and
councilman
lee
garcia
also
have
their
hands
up.
I
don't
know
if
you
can
see
that
director
wheeler,
what's
the
status
of
pnm
converting
their
lights,
is
that
likely
to
be
something
that
happens
soon,
not
for
a
while?
Do
you
have
any
idea?
I
know
that
we're
not
we're
not
doing
that,
but
I'm
just
curious.
C
Remember
worth
and
chairman
for
the
question.
So
when
the
when
santa
fe
adopted
the
community
guided
lighting
design,
it
had
a
number
of
pieces
of
equipment
that
pnm
is
not
authorized
to
install,
and
so
they
left
into
action
and
we've
been
working
as
a
team
actually
cheyenne
and
the
project
team.
And
I
we
actually
meet
twice
a
week
with
the
whole
pnm
crew.
And
so
they
are
working
really
hard
to
get
approval
to
install
the
equipment
that
the
city
of
santa
fe
prefers.
C
And
I
just
really
would
like
to
acknowledge
the
governing
body,
because
the
governing
body
really
did
pick
an
extremely
progressive
lighting
design.
But
it
also
we
paved
the
way
for
other
communities
to
be
able
to
implement
the
same.
Progressive
lighting
design
and
the
two
big
progressive
pieces
were
the
2700
kelvin
residential
lighting,
the
lenses
and
the
the
smart
nodes
for
dimming
and
so
pnm
is.
C
I
think
they
believe
that
they're
going
to
get
they're
working
through
their
process,
probably
a
month
away
from
possibly
internal
approval
of
the
equipment,
and
then
they
do
have
to
submit
to
prc
a
new,
acceptable
alternatives,
equipment
list
and
once
they
submit
that,
then
we
could
actually
amend
the
pnm
contract
that
we
already
have
with
them
to
convert
their
lights
and
get
started,
get
them
started
on
procuring
their
lights
and
installing
them.
C
So
you
know
it's
as
hard
for
pnm
to
predict
their
internal
processes
as
it
is
for
us
we're
kind
of
similar
organizations
in
a
way.
But
I
would
say
that
you
know,
certainly
in
a
couple
of
months,
we'd
expect
we're
hoping
to
bring
a
amendment
to
their
contract
forward
with
the
new
equipment
that
the
governing
body
has
approved.
J
Yeah,
I
had
a
question
well
a
comment.
Thank
you
chair
and
miss
willer.
I
so
going
back
to
counselor
garcia
on
the
packet.
The
links
of
the
drone
were
not
active
for
me
and
I
don't
know
if
anyone
else
had
that
problem,
but
I
don't
know
if
that
could
be
revisited,
because
I
love
the
idea
of
like
the
community
feedback
like
the
door
hangers.
All
of
that
I
just
want
to
applaud
you.
I
think
that
you
know
giving
community
access
to
their
surroundings
and
the
improvements
of
their
surroundings
is
so
necessary.
J
So
thank
you
for
that,
but
I
did
want
to
just
let
you
know
I
had
the
packet.
I
had
the
links,
but
none
of
them
were
active
just
so
that
you
were
aware
on
your
end,.
C
Thank
you
so
much.
We
can
resend
that
I'm
not
sure
why
that
maybe
it
has
something
to
do
with
being
in
prime
gov,
I'm
not
sure
if
links
work,
but
we'll
definitely
get
you
those
links
directly.
Thank
you.
So
much
counselor.
A
Thank
you,
cancer,
lee,
garcia.
G
Thank
you,
mr
chair
director
wheeler.
So
I
guess
just
a
couple
of
questions
on
my
behalf
from
what
how
much
of
the
the
city
lighting
is
owned
by
pnm
and
again,
I
guess
they're
they're
in
on
a
pathway
to
to
also
change
change
that
lighting.
That's
in
the
city
limits
is
that
correct.
C
Thank
you
for
the
question
councilman
garcia
chairman,
so
it's
approximately
3200
owned
by
the
city
and
2300
owned
by
pnm
inside
the
city
limits,
and
yes,
they
are
definitely
converting
them.
We
really
need
them
to
convert.
We
pay
a
lot
of
money
for
pnm
to
maintain
those
extremely
poor,
reliability
lights
that
take
a
lot
of
energy
and
so
yeah
they're.
They
need
to
be
converted
and
is
there
a
projection.
C
What
timeline
thank
you
counselor
for
the
question,
as
I
just
said,
they're
in
the
process
of
getting
the
internal
approval
for
the
equipment
that
we've
requested
that
they
use
on
the
conversion
if
the
equipment
is
not
approved
by
the
prc
at
this
point
for
their
utilization,
but
we're
confident
that
we'll
get
there.
G
Thank
you
and
then
just
my
last
question
when,
when
citizens
or
constituents
are
asking
about
questions
about
this
conversion,
who
what's
the
best
way
to
contact
the
department
to
find
out,
you
know
if
their
street
is
going
to
be
updated
or
when
it's
going
to
be
updated
or
if
they
have
something
that
needs
you
care.
C
There's
the
best
way
to
do
it
is
it's
santa
fe
led.com
there's
a
form
there
and
they
can
put
anything
in
there.
They
can
put
comments,
they
can
put
work
order,
requests,
they
can
request
a
shield.
They
could
also
certainly
call
our
constituent
services
if
the
phone
is
much
better
for
them.
Daniel
diaz,
our
constituent
service
representative,
is
very
aware
of
the
project
and
can
definitely
route
their
requests
effectively.
A
M
Yes,
thank
you
chairman.
We
did
repair
that
and
also
the
other,
the
lights
on
yucca
that
I
believe
were
brought
up
at
the
previous
public
works
committee.
Meeting
have
also
been
repaired,
so
all
the
stuff
that
we
discussed
at
the
previous
public
works
meeting
as
needing
to
be
addressed
has
been
addressed
at
this
time.
So
we
appreciate
all
the
committee
members
and
citizens
staying
vigilant
and
making
us
aware
of
things
so
that
we
can
address
them
promptly.
A
Thank
you,
mr
ernst,
all
right
with
no
other
questions
or
comments.
Let's
move
on
to
our
consent
agenda
and
the
only
item
that
was
pulled
was
by
by
myself
regarding
item
jay,
miss
diaz.
Can
you
read
that
into
the
record?
Please.
B
A
Yeah,
thank
you,
miss
diaz
and
miss
satan.
I
just
wanted
a
a
quick
or
a
brief
update
from
yourself
and
from
our
consultant
regarding
these
residential
and
commercial
rate
increases
or
proposed
increases,
and
the
reasoning
for
it.
So
if
you
can
give
a
brief
update,
that
would
be
great.
N
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
So
much
chair,
rivera
members
of
the
committee
and
again
welcome
to
councillor
chavez
and
councillor
lee
garcia.
I'm
looking
forward
to
working
with
you,
I'm
shirlene
sitton,
I'm
the
environmental
services
division
director
and
not
I'll,
go
ahead
and
give
you
just
a
quick
overview
of
what
we
do.
We
pick
up
the
trash
and
recycling
both
the
residential
and
commercial
accounts
in
the
city
of
santa
fe.
N
We
also
house
keep
santa
fe,
beautiful
and
graffiti
abatement
and
sustainability
and
those
staff
work
and
coordinate
across
the
city
with
public
works,
public
utilities
and
other
subject
matter
experts
you
know
to
forward
our
sustainability
plan
and
beautification,
and
things
like
that.
So
that's
that's
environmental
services.
In
a
nutshell,
we
are
here
tonight
to
talk
about
a
rate
increase.
I'm
sorry.
N
Your
first
meeting
with
me
is
such
a
fun
subject
matter,
but
actually
we
have
not
had
a
rate
increase
in
six
years,
so
this
is
the
first
time
I
I
have
brought
this
kind
of
legislation
forward.
N
N
They
are
subcontracted
with
it's
fcs
now,
jason,
you
might
those
of
you
who
have
been
around
a
while,
you
might
know
jason
mom
and
our
main
utility
contract
for
financial
support
and
services.
So
nugen
is
a
subcontractor
with
them
because
they
are
very
much
the
solid
waste
financial
experts
to
kind
of
lay
a
little
background.
N
Nugent
is
also
the
financial
consultant
for
the
santa
fe,
solid
waste
management
agency,
and
they
are
the
agency
that
exists
and
overseen
by
both
the
city
and
the
county
to
run
the
landfill
and
the
transfer
station.
So
that's
the
caja
del
rio
landfill
and
the
buckman
transfer
station,
which
includes
the
recycling,
the
sorting
of
the
recycling
once
it's
collected
and
marketing
of
that
and
that
they
have
a
contract.
N
They
have
a
subcontract
to
do
that,
so
the
to
kind
of
set
the
stage
in
the
city
we
we
in
the
utility
department
will
be
doing
cost
of
service
studies
in
different
divisions
in
different
years,
and
we
completed
ours
in
calendar
year
fy21
and
the
agency
just
after
the
agency
completed
theirs.
N
So
the
agency
does
charge
us
fees
in
order
to
operate
the
landfill
and
the
transfer
station
and
those
costs
have
gone
up
significantly,
and
so
the
the
cost
of
service
was
presented
by
mr
yankee
in
february
of
last
year,
with
with
a
new
set
of
rates
to
go
into
effect
and
the
the
first
round
of
rate
increases
went
into
effect
october
of
2021,
so
we're
now
paying
higher
rates
and
our
cost
of
service
was
complete
and
so
to
lay
the
groundwork
on
that.
N
It
includes
the
rate
increases,
what
we
pay
all
of
our
costs,
but
those
rate
increases
to
the
agency,
but
it
also
takes
into
account
the
other,
the
other
costs
that
we
have
to
pay
just
to
run
our
operation
and
to
plan
for
future
growth.
So
I
think,
having
said
that,
mr
yankee
has
a
presentation
to
explain
the
methodology
behind
the
the
the
cost
of
service
study
and
to
show
you
the
the
rating
priest
recommendations
and,
of
course,
they're
all
all
in
your
backup
as
well.
N
But
if
mr
yankee
will
take
it
over
I'll,
let
him
go
from
here
all
right,
great.
I
Let
me
pull
up
the
powerpoint
okay,
can
everyone
see
the
powerpoint.
O
I
Wait
here
we
go,
have
you
got
it
now?
Yes,
yes,
okay!
Sorry
about
that!
Little
technology!
Well,
good
evening!
Everyone!
My
name
is
dave
yankee,
I'm
the
president
of
newgen
strategies
and
solutions
and
just
real
quick.
My
background
yep
I've
been
involved
in
the
conduct
of
solid
waste,
cost
service
and
rate
design
studies
for
the
past.
Well,
approximately
25
years.
I
So
I'm
going
to
go
through
briefly
and
describe
the
proposed
or
the
cost
of
service
and
rate
design
study
we
completed
for
the
city
of
santa
fe
and
the
proposed
recommended
rate
increases.
A
Can
you
share
it
with
us,
while
we.
A
Can
always
take
a
look
at
it
before
this
moves
on.
N
Can
you
see
it
mr
chair.
N
Okay,
I'm
not
going
to
be
able
to
give
you
all
the
detailed
financial
background,
but
I
can
run
through
it
pretty
quickly.
N
So
as
as
mr
yankee
was
saying,
the
kind
of
the
five
step
process
for
doing
a
cost
of
service
study
would
be
to
conduct
a
comprehensive
study
that
allocates
costs
to
each
specific,
solid
waste
service
in
other
ways,
in
other
words,
the
commercial
service
and
each
of
the
each
of
the
kinds
of
service
we
deliver.
All
of
those
costs
are
accounted
for,
develop
a
four-year
revenue
requirement
forecast.
N
So
that's
because
this
happened
during
calendar
year
21
that
was
a
test
year
and
then
the
four-year
forecast
is
22-25
calculate
the
revenues
realized
under
current
rates
and
then
for
the
and
then
design
rates
compare
them
for
the
for
the
what
we,
what
we
need
in
the
coming
years
and
then
design
rates
for
residential
commercial
front
load
and
rear
load
and
roll
off
customers,
and
then,
of
course,
to
present
these
findings
to
you.
N
I
do
have
a
text
from
him,
so
let
me
see
he's
trying
to
rejoin
so
developing
the
test
here
that
that
that
means
to
look
at
the
most
current
year.
You
have
all
of
the
information
on
and
then
base
base
your
costs
and
projections
and
growth
from
that
test
year,
which
then
is
a
revenue
requirement
forecast?
How
much
money
are
we
going
to
need
going
forward?
N
Obviously,
alligate
cost
to
service
categories
so
that
the
rates
for
each
category
are
looked
at
individually
billing
units
and
then
the
cost
of
service
calculation?
How
much
is
it
going
to
cost
us
to
do
this.
N
So
the
revenue
requirement
how
much,
how
much
money
are
we
going
to
need
to
capture
back
in
revenues,
has
several
components
and
excuse.
N
Very
good
dave,
I
tell
you
what
I'm
already
sharing
my
screen
and
I'm
on
the
revenue
requirement.
So
if
you
want
to
jump
in,
I
will
run
the
slideshow.
I
That's
a
good
idea.
I
apologize
for
that
folks,
so
the
revenue
requirement
are
the
three
major
cost
components:
you're
operating
in
maintenance
expenses,
all
your
existing
outstanding
debt
and
then
vehicle
replacements
that
you
pay
as
you
go,
so
you
pay
through
your
rates
and
that
adds
up
to
your
total
revenue
requirement.
I
So
what
we
do
once
we
develop
the
total
revenue
requirement
we're
going
to
end
up
allocating
all
those
costs
to
each
of
the
specific
services
provided
by
the
city.
And
it's
important
to
point
out
here.
You
know
a
lot
of
the
different
services.
You
may
or
may
not
be
familiar
that
the
city
provides
so
we're
going
to
come
up
with
the
cost
of
service
for
residential,
refuse,
garbage
collection,
large
item
collection,
bulky
items,
recycling
collection
and
then
on
the
commercial
side.
I
I
In
developing
the
revenue
requirement,
there
are
a
couple
major
costs
here
that
we
want
to
focus
on
the.
As
was
mentioned,
the
city
has
to
pay
for
all
disposal
of
garbage
and
the
processing
of
recyclables
those
costs
are
going
up
and
just
to
give
you
an
idea,
those
costs
are
going
up
from
two
and
a
half
million
dollars
to
in
fiscal
year,
2021
to
approximately
4.7
million
dollars
in
fiscal
year
2025..
I
Secondly,
we
are
funding
through
cash,
the
purchase
of
vehicles
and
that's
budgeting,
approximately
two
and
a
half
million
dollars
per
year
for
solid
waste
vehicles,
two
and
a
half
million
per
year
for
fiscal
years,
2022
through
2025
and
then
finally,
there's
a
budgeted
and
incorporated
a
9.8
million.
B
I
I
So
bottom
line,
if
we're
looking
at
it,
you
have
the
total
expenses
in
fiscal
year,
2022
that
are
little
over
18
million
49
000.
There
are
some
miscellaneous
revenues
that
the
utility
receives
approximately
2.2
million.
As
a
offset
so
bottom
line,
the
solid
waste
utility
has
to
design
rates
that
recover
15.8
million
or
15
million
819
thousand
dollars
in
fiscal
year
2022,
and
then
that
number
grows
gradually
by
fiscal
year,
2025
to
16.2
million.
I
I
So
bottom
line,
if
you
don't
raise
rates,
if
you
look
at
the
third
line
you're
going
to
under
recover
in
fiscal
year,
2022
approximately
two
million
six
hundred
and
eighty
one
thousand
dollars
so
the
first
line
up
there
under
fiscal
year
2022
you
can
see
the
revenues
from
current
rates
are
about
13
million
138,
as
I
showed
on
the
prior
slide.
Your
projected
costs
are
15.8
million,
so
you're
under
recovering
about,
like
I
said,
the
2.7
million
dollars
in
fiscal
year,
2023
that
grows
to
3.2
million
dollars
in
fiscal
year.
2024.
I
it's
2
million
344
000
again
it
goes
down
because
that
debt
issue
is
rolling
off
so
bottom
line.
If
you
don't
adjust
rates
you're
going
to
under
recover
approximately
11
million
dollars
over
the
four
year
period,
next
slide,
please
so
what
nugen
is
proposing
to
the
city
of
santa
fe?
And
again
this
is
recommended
as
a
rate
increase
march
1st
2022.
I
So
basically,
in
a
couple
months
that
the
residential
rate,
the
current
rate,
go
from
15.75
per
month
per
household
to
19.25,.
I
Effective
march
1st
2022,
where
the
little
first
blue
arrow
is,
and
then
the
for
those
folks
to
have
an
additional
cart
for
a
65
gallon
that
goes
to
10
per
month
per
household
and
then
12
per
month
per
household
for
the
95
gallon
cart,
one
thing
I'll
just
mention:
I
do
solid
waste
cost
service
studies
literally
across
the
country.
I
know
no
one
likes
rate
increases.
I
I
I
This
shows
what
I
was
talking
about,
so
city
of
santa
fe's,
current
rate
is
at
15.75
per
month
per
household.
That's
that
second
bar
from
the
bottom,
and
if
you
were
to
raise
the
rates
you
would
go
to
19.25
per
month
per
household,
which
is
in
the
middle
of
the
graph
I'll
tell
you
right
now
we're
working
with
roswell
new
mexico
and
their
rates
will
be
going
up.
So
just
an
fyi
next
slide.
Please.
I
With
regard
to
commercial
front
load
and
rear
load
rates,
we
are
recommending
modest
increases
on
the
commercial
front
load,
we're
recommending
an
increase
of
seven
percent
in
fiscal
year.
2022
again,
we
would
recommend
that
the
effect
of
march
1st
for
the
commercial
rear
load
we're
recommending
a
5
increase
in
fiscal
year,
2022
again
march
1st
and
then
an
additional
5
in
fiscal
year.
2025.
I
In
addition
on
the
polls
for
the
roll
off
containers,
we
would
recommend
increases,
as
shown
in
that
column,
where
it
says
fiscal
year,
2022
that
you
would
go
to
a
scheduled
service
call
of
225,
where
you
call
in
where
it's
unscheduled
275
and
then
a
monthly
rental
fee
of
225,
and
I
would
just
mention
this-
is
very
competitive,
you're
still
very
competitive
with
the
market
and
then
an
additional
increase
in
fiscal
year.
2024
of
10
next
slide.
Please
these
are
a
couple
other
miscellaneous
fees
or
other
fees.
I
We
would
recommend
an
increase
of
the
eight
cubic
yards
where
right
now,
you're
charging
thirty
three
dollars
and
some
change
that
that
be
increased
to
fifty
dollars
and
then
for
each
additional
cubic
yard
that
be
increased
from
417
to
10
and
that
the
sheet
of
tags
for
for
bag
collection
be
increased
from
750
to
15.
I
So
if
those
proposed
increases
were
put
in
place,
you
can
see
that
you're
going
to
still
under
recover
in
2022
in
fiscal
year
2023,
but
by
fiscal
year,
2024
you're
over
recovering
736
000
in
fiscal
year
2024
and
in
fiscal
year,
2025
you're
over
recovering
374
000.
So
there
is
a
under
recovery
on
the.
The
bottom
line
is
where
we
keep
a
running
total.
So
on
a
cumulative
basis.
I
So,
in
closing,
we
would
recommend
that
those
rates
be
approved,
effective
march
1st
2022
and
then,
as
I
mentioned,
that
2.3
million
dollars,
where
you're
under
recovering
utilize,
the
reserves-
that's
everything
I'll,
be
glad
to
take
questions.
And
again
I
apologize
for
the
internet
problem.
A
D
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
can
we
get
a
copy
of
this
presentation
if
it's
not
in
our
packets,
which
I
don't
see
it?
How
often
do
we
do
cost
of
service
surveys?
You
mentioned
that
we
haven't
done
one
in
a
while,
I
think,
or
we
haven't,
had
an
increase
in
six
years.
N
Chair
rivera
councillor
romero
worth
we
have
not
so
the
way
we
have
set
up
the
contract
with
the
overall
public
utilities
contract
with
fcs.
It
will
now
have
a
rotating
cost
of
service,
so
there'll
be
cost
of
service
for
water,
wastewater
and
water,
and
so
we'll
have
these
more
often
than
had
happened
in
the
past.
So
we're
looking
at
three
or
four
years
to
to
do
a
comprehensive
cost
of
service
study.
I
You
know
I'll
it
I'll
just
mention.
It
depends
where
your
situation
is
as
charlene
mentioned,
because
it's
been
six
years.
There's
some
catch
up
here,
because
you
haven't
had
a
rate
increase.
A
lot
of
our
clients
will
have
us
come
in
every
four
or
five
years.
We
have
some
clients
that
will
have
us
come
in
annually
and
again
preston.
I
D
Okay,
the
cities
that
have
higher
rates;
what
accounts
for
that.
I
You
know
it's
a
great
question
as
well
as
just
like
when
they
ask
you
know
if
your
water
rates
or
wastewater
rates
are
higher.
You
know
there
are
a
lot
of
different
variables
that
are
out
there.
For
instance,
you
see
that
the
city
of
albuquerque
has
a
very
low
rate
now,
and
I
can't
speak
to
this,
so
I
don't
know
what
they're
doing,
because
we
have
not
done
a
cost
to
service
study
for
them
but,
for
instance,
they
own
their
own
landfill.
It
is
not
uncommon.
I
We
have
clients
that
operate
landfills,
and
then
they
are
able
to
charge
rates
to
non-residential
folks
or
commercial
businesses,
and
then
they
make
excess
revenue
or
a
profit
off
of
that.
So
they
can
use
that
to
help
subsidize
and
then
keep
residential
rates
down
nothing
wrong
with
doing
that
to
be
clear,
but
I
suspect
that's
one
of
the
reasons
that
albuquerque's
rates
are
as
low
as
they
are.
One
of
the
big
variables
that
you
look
at
are
what
is
it
cost
to
deposit
your
landfill,
your
garbage
process,
your
recyclables?
N
Romero,
a
big
piece
of
this
is
a
new
significant
cost
for
recycling,
sorting
and
marketing
that
it
is
something
we've
constantly
struggled
with
here
in
santa
bay
because
we
don't
have
access
to
local
markets,
and
so
those
those
commodities
have
to
be
transported
a
long
ways,
and
so
this
particular
experiment
that
we,
when
we
left
our
contract
with
friedman
and
and
we
subcontracted
with
town
recycling
and
those
contracts,
are
run
through
the
agency,
but
to
reopen
our
murph
here
to
sort
here
in
market.
N
I
I
I
can't
speak
to
the
details
of
it,
but
that
those
costs
have
just
really
increased
over
time.
So
as
that
contract
comes
to
an
end,
you
know
I
will
also
be
on
the
team
to
help
identify
ways
to
maybe
bring
those
costs
down.
So
I'm
hoping
that
those
costs
come
down
at
the
end
of
the
you
know
in
three
or
four
years,
but
they're
right
now
that
that's
what's
in
the
forecast,
so
we
have
to
be
prepared
for
it.
N
D
Okay-
and
I
I
think,
on
the
slide,
where
you're
suggesting
what
our
current
rate
is
and
what
the
rate
will
go
up
by
would
be
helpful
to
have
a
column
that
shows
how
much
you
know.
I
mean
I
just
to
quick
eyeball
it.
You
know,
I
it
wasn't
up
on
the
screen.
Long
enough,
I
don't
have
the
presentation
to
know
you
know.
Are
we
talking
four
dollars?
Five
dollars
just
to
know
for
residents
sake,
you
know
it's
per
month.
D
N
Well,
the
reserve
calculation
that
that
I
know
mr
yankee
used
was
based
on
what
the
jason
mom
and
fcs
presented
actually
to
the
public
utilities
in
in
june,
which
he
does
annually
for
the
public
utility
update
right.
I
I
don't
have
that
exact
number,
but
I,
but
I
will
get
it
for
you
and
I'll
have
it
for
you
at
finance,.
D
Yeah
and
I
I
think
that
would
be
helpful
and
I
I
remember
those
presentations
from
the
last
time
I
was
on
this
committee,
but,
as
you
know,
I
rolled
off
for
a
while
and
I'm
back
and
I
haven't
seen
one
of
those
presentations
in
a
while,
so
that
would
be
helpful
and
it
would
also
be
helpful
to
know
you
know.
Are
we
are
we
balancing?
D
D
Are
there
are
there
so
you
you
say
there
are
three
different
things:
we've
got
vehicle
replacement,
outstanding
debt
and
o
m
expenses.
Is
there
any
more
detail
on
those
things
that
we
can
see
in
terms
of?
Like
I
mean
vehicle
replacement?
You
can't
do
much
about
it.
Just
you
know,
vehicles
wear
out,
we've
got
to
have
the
vehicles.
This
is
a
vehicle
intensive
area.
I
don't
think
there's
much
wiggle
room
there.
D
I
So
there
is
a
very
detailed
cost
of
service
study
that
builds
these
numbers
up
and
so
that
we
go
through
and
look
at
that
and
to
back
up,
I
didn't
want
to
sound
like
I
threw
shirlene
under
the
bus
on
the
reserve
question.
But
what
what
happens
is
we're
doing
the
cost
of
service
and,
as
was
mentioned,
fcs
is
the
prime
and
they're
doing
the
financial
plan
and
the
water
wastewater
cost
service
study.
I
I
It's
basically
about
a
three
to
four
percent
annual
increase,
which
is
inflation
and
actually
it's
less
than
inflation,
where
inflation
is
right
now,
but
that's
and
that's
another
reason
when
you
were
talking
about
doing
studies
more
frequently
or
what
have
you
by
having
a
detailed
financial
plan
like
this
cost
service,
you
can
plan
for
okay.
This
is
when
we
have
to
raise
rates
and
do
it
periodically,
but
that's
one
of
the
things
where
there
hasn't
been
a
rate
increase
in
six
years
and
the
agency
has
passed
these
costs
on
that's
leading
to
this
rate,
increase.
D
Yeah
and
I
think,
having
a
little
bit
more
detail,
so
we
can
understand
that
or
see
it
would
be
helpful
given
it
seems
like
this
is
not
an
insignificant
rate
increase
and
are
there
did
I
ask
the
story?
I
can't
remember
I
I
know
I
thought
it,
but
I
don't
know,
are
there
cost
savings
anywhere
or
those
have
already
been
factored
in.
N
Thank
you,
council
romero
worth,
and
I
appreciate
the
question
we
are
and
and
we're
very
just
like
everyone
across
the
city,
we're
also
only
at
about
70
percent
staffing,
we're
all
doing
as
much
as
we
can
with
what
we
have
we.
You
know,
as,
as
you
know,
we're
operating
out
of
a
very
a
facility,
a
very
small
amount
of
office
space
is
really
all
we
have.
We
don't
have
any
kind
of
a
facility
for
training.
We
don't
even
have
a
conference
room
anymore.
N
We
we
are
doing
what
we
can
with
what
we
have,
and
I
I
will
say
you
know
it's
my
understanding
or
you
know
our
reserves
are,
are
not
they.
They
are
not
sufficient
to
not
put
in
this
rate
increase.
N
D
Right-
and
I
you
know
again,
I
think
we
just
need
to
make
sure
that
we
have
the
level
of
information
we
need
to
be
able
to
justify
it,
and
I
think
a
little
bit
more
information
would
be
helpful.
Then
do
all
the
sectors
all
the.
I
can't
remember
what
you
call
them.
You
know
you
got.
The
commercial
you've
got
the
residential
that
that
slide.
Are
they
all
self-sufficient
or
is
one?
I
With
regard
to
that
sorry,
cleaning
crews
coming
in
so
that
was
one
of
the
reasons
we
specifically
with
these
rate
recommendations
are
making
sure
that
those
customers
that
are
creating
or
incurring
the
cost
pay
for
their
share,
and
that's
why
those
rates
are
specifically
recommended,
like
we
laid
them
out
with
the
residential,
the
commercial
front,
load
versus
commercial,
rear
load,
etc.
So
those
proposed
rate
recommendations
ensure
that
everyone
pays
their
fair
share.
I
N
Councillor
romero
worth
that
is
a
really
good
question.
There
are
different
philosophies
in
different
places,
so
you
know
you
might
have
another
city
that
has
higher
commercial
rates
to
subsidize
residential
rates,
to
keep
those
low
that
you
know
there.
It's
common
to
have
different
philosophies.
N
We
we
decided
to
present
this
as
a
straightforward,
each
each
rate
as
a
standalone
rate
to
pay
for
itself.
If
the,
if
the
you
know
if
the
council
wants
us
to
look
at
a
different
philosophy,
we
can,
but
we
we
need
to
implement
this
particular
rate
increase
for
2022.
And
if
I,
if
I
may,
I
want
to
be
clear,
we're
showing
another
rate
increase
for
2024,
but
this
you're
not
voting
on
that
tonight,
we'll
bring
that
forward
separately.
N
By
doing
that,
it
gives
us
a
chance
to
have
a
better
idea
about
costs
around
a
maintenance
facility,
because
we're
still
working
on
that
and
we
can
make
any
other
adjustments
in
2024
that
we
may
need
to.
But
we
have
a
plan
and
and
when
we
come
back,
if
there
are
any
adjustments
that
need
to
be
made,
we
can
make
it
then.
So
we
are
only
asking
for
the
vote
on
the
rate
increase
for
2022.
D
Okay,
I
think
those
are
all
my
questions,
mr
chair.
I
just
think
it
would
be
helpful
yeah
to
have
a
little
bit
more
information
on
this
to
better
understand
it
and
better,
probably
to
defend
it,
given
that
there
hasn't
been
an
increase
in
a
while,
and
I
don't
know
that
everybody
is
understands
all
the
pieces
that
go
into
figuring
out
what
we
charge.
Customers.
A
N
A
Thank
you,
cancer
leaders
here
you
have
your
hand
your
virtual
hand
up.
G
Yes,
thank
you.
I
a
lot
of
my
questions
were
answered
during
the
dialogue
there
by
councillor,
ramirez
and
and
the
director
and
and
everyone
else,
but
I
just
want
to
dig
in
a
little
bit
more
to
obviously
people
don't
do
not
like
to
be
charged
more.
You
can
see
that
in
any
retail
business
they
always
want
to
save,
and
if
it's
going
back
back
to
that,
we
must
raise
the
rates.
People
do
want
to
know
why.
E
G
I
think
that
was
it.
My
understanding
that
the
biggest
cost
to
to
the
department
is
the
landfill
fees.
Is
that
what
I
was
understanding
and
how
much
of
that
is?
Landfill
fees
versus
the
recycling.
N
Mr
chair
councillor,
lee
garcia,
so
it
it
is
the
largest
chunk
of
this
rate
increase
is
the
increased
fees
from
the
agency
to
the
city,
the
landfill,
the
landfill
fees
are,
are
going
up,
but
it's
the
implementation
of
processing
fees
for
recycling
that
are
also
significant
because
they
didn't
exist
before.
I
I
And
to
go
to
your
question
where
you
had
asked
it
for
fiscal
year:
2022!
I
G
And
so
so
from
that
standpoint
I
mean
you
know,
custom
overhead
reselling
because
was
there
any
negotiation
with
them
in
terms
of
you
know,
do
you
have?
Does
it
have
to
go
that
high
and.
I
So
when
we
did
the
cost
to
service
study
for
them
and
we
started
this
process,
I
think
it
was
about
two
and
a
half
years
ago
and
then
covet
hit
and
we
went
through
all
that
and
delays.
I
They
had
gone
approximately
10
years
without
a
rate
increase,
so
they
were
catching
up
on
some
of
their
stuff
that
got
passed
approved
by
the
joint
powers
board,
and
so
those
rates
took
a
flight
effect
october
1st
of
2021.
N
Thank
you,
dave
counselor,
garcia,
so
I
know
you're
all
drinking
from
the
water
fountain
right
now
or
the
hydrant,
so
to
speak.
The
santa
fe
solid
waste
management
agency
has
a
joint
powers
board,
which
includes
three
city
councillors
and
three
county
commissioners,
and
so
they
were
presented
the
information
and
accepted
the
rate
increase
so
that
you're
welcome
to
see
the
minutes
from
the
joint
powers
board
meetings,
if
you're
interested
in
that
and
we'll
have
representation
on
the
joint
powers
board.
Continuing
from
this
committee
with
councilor
rivera
and
councillor
michael
garcia,.
A
D
You
it
is
a
new
hand.
I'm
sorry,
mr
chair,
so
is
it
possible
to
get
a
slide
with
that?
Just
succinctly
says
you
know
this
is
why
we're
having
to
raise
rates
it's
because
of
the
recycling
it's
because
of
the
land
land
use
fees
just
so
we
again
can
really
succinctly
explain
why
we're
having
to
have
this
rate
increase,
and
I
guess
the
tipping
fees.
D
I
guess
it
would
also
be
informational
to
have
something
on
the
tipping
fees.
I
don't
sit
on
that
joint
powers
board.
I
don't
know
a
whole
lot
about
it,
but
it
would
be
interesting
to
know
to
see
kind
of
where
how
tipping
fees
have
increased
over
the
years,
and
you
know
to
your
point-
you
know
if
they,
if
they
haven't
increased
them,
how
that
has
looked
in
in
just
a
graphic
or
a
something
that
helps
us
understand,
kind
of
where
that's
coming
from
sure
yeah.
N
Mr
chair
and
counselor
romero
worth
you.
I'm
also
happy
to
provide
you
the
cost
of
service
study
for
the
agency.
If
you,
if
you
really
are
having
insomnia
and
all
of
those
numbers
as
well,
I
can
provide
you
both
of
those
yeah.
D
I
mean
I
wouldn't
mind
looking
at
it.
I
just
I
I
just
think
again,
you
know,
there's
there's
like
a
a
couple
more
slides.
I
I
think,
would
be
helpful
in
terms
of
what's
the
right
word.
D
Like
it's
not
sifting
but
getting
down
to
kind
of
the
some
of
the.
D
Yeah,
why
why
why
we're
in
this
position
and
and
in
a
way,
that's
very
visual
and
very
easy
to
help
the
community
understand
without
having
to
dig
into
the
report?
I
am
interested
in
thumbing
through
the
report,
but
I
think
we're
gonna
have
to
be
able
to
very
succinctly
point
to
here's
where
the
expenses
have
gone
up.
Here's
why
we're
seeing
this
need
to
raise
our
fees,
and
you
know
that
it's
we're
in
some
ways
at
the
mercy
of
other
fees
that
have
been
raised.
So
that's
all
I
have
mr
chair.
A
Thank
you,
countrymen,
worth
councilwoman
chavez.
J
J
Why
are
we
digging
into
our
pockets
during
a
pandemic,
and
I
know
that
we
could
go
through
the
report
which
I
do
want
to
go
through,
but
I
think
it
would
be
very
nice
to
have
specific
information
that
will
be
easy
to
communicate
to
our
community
as
to
why
we're
going
this
route
of
raising
rates.
And
you
know
we
have
the
reserves
in
this
powerpoint
mentioned,
but
there's
not
specifics
to
that
which
that's
something
we
have
to
be
very
transparent
about,
so
that
there
is
full
understanding
amongst
the
community.
N
Mr
chair
counselor
chavez,
thank
you
for
the
question
and
we
will
certainly
do
that
and
just
so
you
know
we
have
been
dipping
into
our
reserves
pretty
much
since
october
1st,
when
the
when
the
rates
went
up.
So
we
can't
that's
that's
why
we
can't
do
that
too
much
longer.
But
thank
you
and
we'll
we'll
get
the
information
that
we
can.
J
Thank
you,
and
I
think
that
would
be
good
information
to
share-
is
how
we
have
dipped
into
our
reserves.
You
know
over
the
couple
of
years
or
through
the
pandemic,
because
I
think
we
all
kind
of
had
to
dip
into
our
reserves
during
the
pandemic,
because
there
is
an
increase
in
cost
but
being
transparent
about
that,
so
that
the
city
sees
that
we're
taking
that
initiative
of
starting
there
before
raising
rates
is
very
important
and
having
the
numbers
is
going
to
be
essential
in
the
conversations
that
we're
going
to
be
having.
A
G
Thank
you
just
I
guess
one
last
question
and
did
did
the
department
take
a
look
at
what
rio
rancho
does?
I
know
I
saw
I
think
I
saw
albuquerque
in
there.
I
saw
some
of
the
other
cities
and
is
real
downfield.
That's
the
only
place
really
for
us
to
transport
our
waste.
Is
that
correct
or
are
there
other
options.
N
N
The
the
the
rate
comparison
that
we
showed
was
city,
city-run
franchises.
So
you
you
also.
You
also
have
private
contracts,
but
those
have
different
elements.
So
rio
rancho
uses
waste
management.
I
believe.
A
A
Any
other
questions
I
do
have
a
question
for
mr
jones.
Can
you
talk
briefly
about
reserves?
I
hate
to
put
you
on
the
spot
like
that,
but
I
know
you're
aware
of
the
reserves
and
you
speak
to
it
a
little
bit.
K
Absolutely
mr
chair,
thank
you.
So
I
did
go
ahead.
While
we
were
going
through
the
discussion,
I
forwarded
the
committee
members,
the
financial
presentation
that
was
given
in
2021
by
our
financial
consultant.
I
added
an
email
that
they're
currently
working
on
the
update.
K
We
should
have
that
with
the
next
few
months,
probably
early
summer,
so
the
reserves
cash
balances
right
now
that
we
would
provide
would
be
unaudited
cash
balance,
but
I
think
just
for
the
committee,
the
numbers
that
I
I
trust
environmental
services
would
have
about
10
million
dollars
in
in
cash
reserve,
so
keep
in
mind
that
each
utility
is
required
to
maintain
a
minimum
cash
reserve
so
for
criminal
services.
I
believe
that's
about
4.5
million.
K
So
really
what
we're
talking
about
is
about
5.5
million
dollars
in
cash
reserves
that
the
utility
has
rate
stabilization,
meaning.
If
the
agency
were
to
raise
its
tipping
fees
in
october,
how
would
we
have
time
to
put
together
a
plan
and
come
before
our
constituents
in
march
right?
Those
reserves
help
us
stabilize
those
rates
even
like
the
cost
of
fuel
salaries.
Anything
that
changes.
K
The
change
is
pretty
dynamic
in
the
industry.
That
rate,
that's
the
reserves
that
we
have
is
what
helps
stabilize
that
great,
so
that
we
don't
have
to
be
as
reactive,
and
we
do
some
ability
right
to
kind
of
catch
up,
even
if
we
under
recover
for
one
year,
if
we
can
recover
that
back
even
in
years,
three
or
four
is
mr
yankee
kind
of
proposed
having
those
reserves,
but
again
I'm
unaudited
the
numbers,
I
would
say
right
now:
that's
about
five
about
five
million
dollars
is
what
I'd
anticipate
to
see.
K
So
each
of
the
each
of
the
utilities
is
a
little
bit
different.
Environmental
services
and
wastewater
have
about
the
same
cash
reserve
requirements
see
like
cash
requirements.
The
water
division
is
currently
required
to
carry
365
days
of
cash
reserve,
so
their
reserve
limit
is
about
25
million
dollars,
so
those
are
just
some
fun.
K
A
And
that
may
be.
Thank
you
shannon.
That
may
be
be
good
information,
as
a
councilman
chavez
recommended
to
put
into
the
presentation
as
well,
so
that
everyone's
aware
of
the
requirements
from
each
of
the
different
departments
and
what
the
reserves
are
in
those
different
differences.
So
thank
you
for
that
and
then
I
miss
a
sitting.
A
N
Mr
tara,
I'm
not
I'm
not
sure
what
your
question
is.
We
pay
the
same
rates,
but
are:
are
you
asking
what.
O
Percentage
like
like
who
is
the
bigger
user
yeah,
I
know
we're
the
bigger.
A
N
I
A
So
anytime,
tipping
fees
are
increased,
the
city
picks
up.
70
of
you
know
those
those
rate
increases,
that's
fair
to
say,
approximately.
I
I
A
Individual
dump
sites-
I
guess
at
different
areas
throughout
the
county,
do
they
all
funnel
through
caja
del
rio
as
well.
That
is
correct.
Yes,
okay,
great,
thank
you.
D
D
I
just
think
that's
really
important
information
for
the
community,
because
people
see
or
hear
rumor
that
there
are
these
these
big
pots
of
money-
and
you
know,
for
instance,
one
group
suggested
that
maybe
we
could
use
that
money
for
the
affordable
housing
trust
fund
and
that
money
is
not
just
sitting
there
idle.
It's
in
fact
we're
required
to
have
it.
D
As
you
pointed
out,
and
so
I
think
it
is
really
good
understanding
for
the
community
to
understand
that
we
by
law
are
required
to
have
a
certain
level
of
reserves
and,
and
it
isn't
just
a
unused
slush
fund
that
can
be-
you
know,
put
out
for
other
things.
So
I
just
want
to
echo
the
chairman
about
the
importance
of
understanding
better,
that
there
are
certain
levels
that
we
have
to
maintain
and
then
to
councilwoman
chavez's
point.
You
know
it
would
be
also
good
to
understand
that
you
know
to
the
extent
we
have.
D
A
A
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
All
great
discussion,
great
presentation,
appreciate
everyone's
hard
work,
we're
on
item
eight,
no
action
or
discussion
items,
no
executive
session
on
item
nine
matters
from
staff.
Ms
wheeler.
C
Thank
you
so
much
chairman,
I
guess
I'd
just
like
to
welcome
councillors,
chavez
and
lee
garcia
to
the
public
works
and
utilities
committee
love
to
spend
some
time
with
you
to
introduce
you
to
the
entire
public
works
department
and
let
you
know
what
it
is
that
we
do
from
beginning
to
end
and
so
I'll
reach
out
to
you
and
see
if
we
could
schedule
some
time.
But
thank
you
for
your
support
and
please
don't
hesitate
to.
Let
me
know
how
I
can
help.
K
Mr
jones,
mr
chair,
really
just
an
echo
it's,
it
is
good
to
see
you
and
councilor.
Michael
garcia,
come
back,
definitely
strong,
drunk
committee
members.
Counselor
mart
worth
welcome
back.
It
is
also
good
to
see
you
and
also
welcome
to
council,
z,
garcia
and
councillors.
K
We're
I'm
really
happy
with
our
committee
and
and
I
think
we
can
do
some
good
work.
We
appreciate
the
work
that
you
guys
do
and
look
forward
to
this
year.
Thank
you.
A
I
don't
see
anything
matters
from
the
chair.
I
would
also
like
to
welcome
back
councilwoman
romero
worth
look
forward
to
the
next
couple
years
with
you
on
this
committee.
I
know
your
knowledge
on
water
is
tremendous,
so
I
think
you'll
be
a
great
asset
to
to
the
committee
and
then
welcome
councillor,
lee
garcia
and
councilwoman
chavez
and
welcome
back
councilman,
michael
garcia.
I
think
we
have
a
great
committee-
and
I
think
this
is
one
of
the
best
committees
to
sit
on
so
look
forward
to
a
great
at
least
2022
2023.
A
And
I
believe
that
oh
I
did
have
one
more
thing:
miss
diaz
and
mr
jones
miss
wheeler.
Every
time
we
have
a
new
committee
together,
we
like
to
especially
in
the
first
spring
summer,
is
set
up
meetings
up
at
the
audubon
and
then
do
a
tour
of
the
reservoirs,
which
I
think
is
great
for
new
committee
members
to
see-
and
even
you
know,
I
still
love
to
go
up
there
and
and
visit
the
ken
road
plant,
as
well
as
as
the
reservoirs
itself,
so
miss
diaz.
A
If
you
can
remind
me,
maybe
with
enough
notice
may
june
july,
maybe
we
can
hit
different
areas,
including
buckman,
as
well
as
the
wastewater
treatment
plant
and
spread
our
meetings
around.
So
we
can
do
a
tour
of
the
facilities
after
we're
done.
So
please
remind
me
of
that,
and
I
hope
all
committee
members
are
open
to
that.
It
does
require
us
to
visit
in
person
so
we'll
kind
of
see
how
that
goes,
we'll
we'll
kind
of
tiptoe
through
it
when
we
get
to
it
but
yeah.
A
If
you
get
the
opportunity,
it's
a
beautiful,
beautiful
tour,
especially
up
in
the
canada
road
area.
So
with
that,
our
next
meeting
is
monday
january
24th.
Thank
you
all
and
have
a
good
night.