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You
approval
of
the
agenda
any
changes,
Mr
Roach.
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No
sorry,
that's
presentation
of
MRC
and
Golf
Course
update
assessment
and
plans.
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Okay,
anything
from
the
committee,
which
is
a
committee
move.
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You,
okay,
Ben
and
I
tested
this.
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So
thank
you
committee
today,
I'm
here
before
you
to
just
provide
a
status
update
on
some
environmental
restoration
work.
That's
been
happening
over
at
the
what
we
call
the
Santa
Fe
generating
site.
F
Why
it's
of
sort
of
importance
to
the
city
of
Santa,
Fe,
and
particularly
the
Water
Division,
is
that
there's
a
water
supply
well
right
next
door
to
this
project,
so
the
photo
I'm
showing
before
you
now
is.
It
is
a
state-of-the-art
drilling
rig
rotosonic
that
collects
solar
cores
continuously,
all
the
way
down
into
the
water
table,
trying
to
get
very
high
resolution
information.
F
So
for
for
those
of
us
that
maybe
don't
know
where
Santa
Fe
Generating
Station
is
foreign.
F
The
black
area,
this
this
polygon,
that
you
can
see
in
the
center
of
the
of
the
air
photograph,
is
essentially
a
17
Acre
Site.
This
this
area
used
to
contain
a
diesels,
Generating
Station
that
made
electricity
for
both
Santa
Fe,
as
well
as
for
Las
Vegas,
the
Red
symbol
right
next
to
the
Santa
Fe
Generating
Station
is
the
location
of
the
Santa
Fe.
Well,
so
in
context,
the
property
to
the
east
is
the
school
for
the
deaf
and
the
property
to
the
Southwest
is
the
Santa
Fe
Indian
School.
F
So
a
little
bit
of
background
73
years
and
counting
is
US.
In
1950
this
plant
was
brought
online
12
megawatts.
They
used
diesel
fuel
primarily
for
the
source,
the
electorate
to
generate
the
electricity
in
1951.
F
This
is
the
the
precursor
to
the
water
company
pnm
installed
a
the
Sangre
de
Crista
water
installed
a
water
well
right
next
door
progressing
through
that
the
plant
operated
for
10
years.
It
was
taken
offline.
It
was
brought
back
in
1973
for
some
peaking
and
then,
ultimately,
it
was
closed
in
1980.
F
as
part
of
the
closeout.
They
started
environmental
investigation
and
found
that
there
was
no
contamination
at
the
property
and
in
1988
the
the
investigation
started
and
truthfully
at
one
point,
there
was
actually
intentions
for
the
state
of
New
Mexico
requesting
that
it
would
become
a
Superfund
Site,
and
so
since
1988
there's
been
35
years
of
site
investigation
and
again
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
provide
this
update
because
we're
sort
of
at
a
point
of
needing
to
make
some
key
decisions.
F
So
in
sort
of
this
background
and
there
what
was
uncovered
not
too
long
ago
was
in
1953
there.
There
has
been
proof
now
that
there
was
a
very
large
fuel
release,
16,
000
gallons
from
an
above
ground,
storage
tank
and
so
in
1995,
when
the
city
acquired
the
water
company
from
Sangre
de
Cristo
or
I
should
say
from
pnm.
F
Is
essentially
at
this
point
an
innocent
bystander,
although
we
are
impacted
because
the
Santa
Fe
well
is
effectively
out
of
commission
until
the
site
is
restored
to
drinking
water
quality
and
there's
been
several
attempts
at
trying
to
remediate
the
property
there
in
the
1988.
F
They
implemented
an
Institute
by
remediation
at
the
time,
a
state-of-the-art
technology
to
in
the
attempt
to
to
clean
up
the
contamination
out
of
groundwater
that
was
unsuccessful
and
then
what
ended
up
happening
was
a
basic
new
attempt
at
pumping
and
treating
where
the
Santa
Fe
well
was
used
to
extract
water
out
of
the
ground,
run
through
a
series
of
treatment,
Technologies
and
then
put
into
the
potable
system
in
2013.
The
city
decided
to
stop
that
practice
and
took
this.
The
well-off
line
and
in
the
process
started.
F
Asking
a
lot
of
questions
had
a
lot
of
support
from
excellent
work
from
Marcos
Martinez,
the
city's
attorney,
and
we
are
now
gotten
to
the
place
where
additional
work
has
been
taking
place.
We're
going
to
be
getting
some
new
information
from
the
environment
Department.
It
was
due
to
us
in
January.
There's
been
an
extension
to
April,
but
I
want
to
kind
of
share
with
you
sort
of
the
real
true
status,
because
again
it
affects
the
city's
abilities.
F
So
I
have
a
Graphic,
it's
a
little
blurred
out,
I
guess
because
there's
a
light
right
over
that
TV
screen,
but
hopefully
you
can
see
it.
So
this
is
a
classic
attempt
of
a
picture's
worth
a
thousand
words.
So
I'll
try
to
walk
you
through
this,
so
this
red
halo
that
you
can
see
around
the
property
essentially
represents
where
there's
known
groundwater
contamination
so
fuels
that
dissolve
into
the
groundwater.
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F
A
drinking
water
standard
of
five
parts
per
billion,
can
you
see
that
little
red
dot
in
the
upper
right
hand
corner
within
the
Halo
next
to
the
sporting
field,
at
the
Indian
school
I'm,
sorry
at
school,
and
for
deaf?
That
is
a
new
environmental
impact
that
we're
learning
about
what
it
ended
up
happening
in
this
latest
round
of
sampling.
That's
been
taking
place.
Is
they
actually
identified
degraded
fuel
on
the
water
table
itself,
so
at
275
feet
below
ground
surface?
F
This
fuel
had
spilled
on
site
has
reached
the
water
table
and
essentially
now
in
place,
and
so
this
is
what's
called
separate
phase.
It's
a
standalone,
degraded
fuel.
Then
what
happens?
Is
groundwater
flows
through
that
fuel
dissolves
into
groundwater
and
then
flows
very
slowly
through
the
porous
media?
F
Those
are
represent,
Wells
that
have
been
installed
as
a
as
part
of
this
environmental
investigation
to
try
to
determine
where
this
contamination
resides
and
one
doesn't
need
a
PhD
in
engineering
geology
to
understand
that
these
are
very
complex
strata,
the
hydro
geology
and,
ultimately,
the
known
extent
of
this
plume
right
now,
even
after
35
years
of
Investigation
is
still
unknown,
and
so
we
have
been
respectfully
requesting
support
from
the
environment
Department
to
address
those
concerns
not
only
to
the
city
Wells
and
the
blue
arrows
sort
of
demonstrate
the
general
flow
direction
of
groundwater.
F
It's
essentially
migrating
towards
the
Santa
Fe
River,
as
one
might
expect,
but
Downstream
of
this
site
or
downgrading.
We
have
a
critical
water
supply
well
to
the
city
and
that's
called
Agua
Fria
well,
and
we
have
requested
a
new
monitoring
well
off-site
in
the
neighborhood
and
it's
listed
sort
of
in
the
center
of
the
figure.
It's
called
PMW
proposed
monitoring
well
and
we
were
denied,
and
so
we
were
very
disappointed
that
that
was
their
response.
F
And
so
what
we
were
told,
though,
is
that
this
next
round
of
data
that
will
be
summarizing
that
report,
that
I
shared
with
this
committee
will
provide
an
update
of
the
current
site
conditions
and
then
we'll
reassess
whether
that
well
could
be
installed
or
not
I
call
it
a
sentinel.
Well,
it's
like
we
want
the
canary
in
the
coal
mine
is
the
metaphor
we
use.
We
need
to
know
what's
lingering
in
case,
we
really
need
to
operate,
that
Agra
farewell
and,
of
course
the
Santa
Fe
well
itself
has
been
out
of
commission
since
2013..
F
So
this
is
the
status
councilor
Rivera
chair
at
the
time
we
had
discussed
bringing
this
forth.
That
report
was
supposed
to
be
due
to
us
in
January,
and
then
there
was
an
extension
in
the
packet
with
the
memo.
I
did
provide
a
letter
that
the
city
sent
through
the
environment
department
at
requesting
specific
actions
to
this
project.
F
Again,
the
frustration
is,
after
35
years
having
some
of
this
uncertainties
a
bit
unacceptable
from
at
least
my
perspective
and
professional
judgment,
but
we're
hoping
we'll
sort
of
get
a
a
sort
of
a
noose
around
the
the
extent
of
this
contamination,
so
that
effectively
can
manage
our
groundwater
resources
relative
to
groundwater
quality.
F
With
that
I
stand
for
questions
and
Mr
chair
had
two
things:
I
just
want
to
bring
to
your
attention.
One
I
have
two
additional
slides
of
a
program
that
the
city
is
now
implementing
for
city-wide
groundwater
management
for
Quality.
If,
if
the
commit
committee
is
so
interested,
I
can
share
the
status
update
and
I
do
want
to
introduce
a
strategic
new
hire
that
we
brought
on
forth
with
this,
the
Water
Division
so
like
stand
for
questions.
F
Excuse
me
so
Francesca
Shirley
is
a
recent
hire
she's
wrapping
up
her
master's
degree
at
University
of
New
Mexico
Water
Resources.
She
was
recently
employed
with
a
middle
Rio,
Grande
Conservancy
District,
so
she
has
a
very
strong
skill
set
when
it
comes
to
things:
water
and
the
middle
Rio.
Grande.
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F
This
has
been
an
ongoing
effort
that
we
have
implemented
and
and
had
reported
started
in
night
in
2017,
and
we
actually
developed
a
draft
report
in
2020.
and
what
this
report
did
is.
It
takes
all
the
information
available
from
various
sources
on
on
sites
that
are
either
known
or
potential
groundwater
contaminant
sites,
and
it
does
what's
called
a
vulnerability
assessment
and
it
relates
the
risk
factors
to
the
city,
water
supply,
Wells,
and
so
this
table
is
just
a
extracted
from
this
report.
F
What
essentially
lists
is
is
a
sensitivity
of
those
Wells
to
to
these
contaminants
and
then
the
vulnerability
or
another
way
of
thinking
at
risk,
and
so
why
this
is
really
important
to
us
is
because-
and
counselor
very
you
may
recall
this
from
maybe
five
years
ago,
we've
been
rehabilitating
and
working
on,
improvements
for
upgrading
the
performance
of
the
city,
Wells,
and
one
of
the
things
that
we
have
sort
of
in
our
CIP
is
the
idea
of
replacement
Wells
for
some
of
these
Wells
are
from
the
1950s
original
great
producers,
but
it's
remarkable,
but
certainly
at
the
end
of
their
lifespan.
F
It's
called
The
Zone
of
capture
or
the
area
of
recharge
to
each
of
these
Wells,
and
then
we
overlay
these
known
and
suspected
contaminant
sites
and
develop
essentially
strategic
analyzes
to
determine
where's
the
highest
risk.
F
So
one
of
the
ideas
and
we've
metered
two
of
them
right
now,
but
one
of
the
ideas
is,
if
there's
some
of
those
wells
in
a
strategic
location,
we're
going
to
seek
permission
to
go
sample
them,
and
this
is
an
inexpensive
way
to
help
fill
data
gaps
but,
more
importantly,
I
think,
to
sort
of
the
end
game.
Oh
sorry,
I
wanted
to
go
back
to
what
is
that?
How
this
Baca
Street
falls
into
place
is
Agua.
Fria
has
always
been
a
critical
linchpin
well
to
the
city,
well
field,
and
so
we're.
F
Very
closely
with
the
environment
department
is
strategic.
Next
steps
to
address
the
uncertainties
with
respect
to
known
or
suspected
contamination
off-site
coming
from
Baka
Street.
There
will
be
several
others
that
we
have
identified
I'd
be
happy
to
come
back
to
the
committee
upon
invite
to
share
with
these
some
of
these
other
projects
that
are
in
the
queue.
D
You
Bill
any
questions:
counselor
Michael,
Garcia.
C
C
And
welcome
Francesca
to
the
team.
Santa
Fe
I
appreciate
this
information.
I
I
know
that
we
had
some
challenges
with
that
property,
but
I
didn't
really
know
to
what
extent,
and
this
to
me
shows
that.
F
C
Many
fronts,
one
of
them.
You
know
one
of
the
questions
that
I
have.
Is
you
know?
How
fast
is
this
plume
traveling?
Because,
as
you
mentioned,
it's
it
from
this
chart.
Look
these
Wells
that
are
impacted,
and
you
mentioned
I'm
afria,
but
I
I
see
St
Michael's,
just
as
just
as
high
and
we've
got
a
major
investment
about
to
take
place
there
and,
and
so
so
I
guess.
Let
me
start
off
with
that
question:
Mr
Schneider.
How
fast
is
this
plume,
traveling
yeah.
F
So
we
have
done
mathematical,
estimations
of
groundwater
flow,
velocities
and,
and
sometimes
these
plumes
move
a
little
slower
than
groundwater,
because
they,
the
contaminants
themselves,
will
absorb
and
desorb
from
the
soil
particles
themselves.
F
C
Okay,
thank
you
for,
for
that,
because
I
mean
you've
got
some
of
these
Wells
that,
as
you
mentioned,
Within
These
five
years
time
frame,
it'll
it'll
be
on
knocking
on
their
door
and
and
so
I
guess.
My
next
question
is:
what
are
our
mitigation
efforts?
What
are
our
plans?
I
mean
because
to
me
immediately,
what
pops
into
mind
is
looking
into
Super
funding
super
cleanup
funding
issue
and
because
this
is
to
me
in
that
sense,
that's
severe.
C
It's
right
smack
dab
in
the
middle
of
town
and
it's
not
going
away,
and
so
I
guess
that's.
The
first
question
is
what
what
are
the
mitigation
efforts
and
then
the
follow-up?
Are
we
following
that
up
with
resources,
yeah.
F
Thank
you
councilor
for
that
very
insightful
question,
so
I'm
going
to
answer
it
in
three
sort
of
stages.
So
the
first
stage
is
the
city
of
Santa
Fe
collaborated
with
the
environment
department
and
the
United
States
Environmental
Protection
Agency
to
do
what
was
called
a
brownfields
and
it
was
focused
on
groundwater
contamination
in
the
downtown
area.
F
One
of
the
ideas
and
we're
working
with
Michelle
Hunter
who's
over
at
Santa
Fe
county
is
a
water
resources
manager.
But
in
her
prior
career,
was
the
groundwater
bureau
chief
in
the
environment
department
and
we're
strategizing
on
ways
to
potentially
seek
funding
through
a
brownfields
program
which
would
expand
the
previous
study
area
to
try
to
get
better
information
on
the
data
gaps.
That's
really
how
their
design
is
to
really
Define
the
problem
you
sort
of
hinted
at
like
the
mitigation.
How
do
we
address
that?
F
That's
where
it
gets
into
sort
of
a
more
challenging
area,
because
these
these
projects
is
this
35-year
Legacy
shares
take
very
long
and
they
are
very
expensive
and
the
costs
are
supposed
to
be
borne
by
the
primary
responsible
party,
The
PRP
and
in
the
case
of
August
Street
I.
Would
say
that
the
data
is
very
compelling
that
that
PRP
is
pnm.
F
The
enemy
D
is
basically
executing
this
work
plan
to
impose
develop
essentially
a
third
remediation
attempt
at
Parker
Street.
So
that's
in
the
works
and
we'll
learn,
hopefully
more
about
that
in
that
report.
That's
due
in
April
in
terms
of
Citywide
on
these
other
sites
and
there's
there's
numerous
they're
on
a
case-by-case
basis,
as
they're
managed
by
the
enemy
d.
F
One
thing
that
we
have
worked
out
on
pointing
to
Jesse
roach
here
our
water
Vision
division
director
is
maybe
making
an
investment
in
our
city
wellfield
asset
with
putting
monitoring
wells
in
these
very
critical
areas
of
unknown
Saint,
Michael's
being
one
as
you
picked
up
on.
Do
you
Define
what
contamination
is
within
those
zones
of
influence
of
those
Wells,
where
we
don't
have
data
and
then
potentially
seek
funding
either
through
brownfields
or
another
source
to
pay
for
those
Wells
and
and
so
what's
really
critical?
F
C
F
Numerous
reasons
to
be
brief:
one
is
all
these
sites
basically
run
through
litigation
almost
every
case,
and
that
by
itself
adds
an
extension
of
time
to
the
process.
Secondly,
is
identifying
those
prps
that
will
essentially
provide
the
funding
to
even
do
the
characterization,
let
alone
the
remediation.
F
An
estimation
of
what's
been
spent
at
Baca,
Street
I
haven't
been
privy
to
those
numbers,
but
I'm
going
to
say:
North
are
probably
five
million
dollars,
just
just
an
investigation
work,
so
it's
very
costly,
so
in
terms
of
what
the
city
can
do
is
is,
as
this
report
shows,
this
was
an
investment
that
that
the
Water
Division
made
to
sort
of
protect
our
our
our
wells,
our
assets
with
the
Hope
space
of
pushing
along,
ultimately
the
environment
Department.
Who
does
bear
the
responsibility
of
you.
F
Mission
is
to
to
protect
our
water
supply
and
that's
run
hot
and
cold
over
the
years.
Quite
frankly,
this
process,
in
the
case
of
Baca
Street,
has
gone
through
three
different
programs.
Now
it's
currently
under
What's
called
the
calf
which
stands
for
the
corrective
action
fund,
and
so
every
time
someone
gets
a
gallon
of
gas
at
the
gas
station.
F
I
believe
it's
2.7
cents
of
tax
goes
towards
this
fund
to
pay
for
these
fuel
oil
cleanups,
but
every
year
that
budget
has
to
be
reinstated
and
then
under
the
Martinez
Administration
it
was
actually
reeled
back
to
almost
nothing.
So
we
lost
about
eight
years
of
investment
there.
But
point
I'm
trying
to
make
is
it's
a
very
slow
process,
because
the
money
only
trickles
out
in
very
small
increments.
C
Okay,
thank
you
for
providing
some
context
to
that.
I
appreciate
it.
The
last
question
I
have
is,
besides
the
the
contamination
to
the
aquifer
which,
which
is
has
disastrous
impact
on
our
community.
Any
other
impacts,
as
as
can
contaminants
travel
up
to,
as
we
saw
on
the
maps,
a
lot
of
the
plume
is
above
impacted
neighborhoods.
C
D
F
Thank
you
for
the
question.
Councilor
Garcia
see
what
you've
just
described
is
sort
of
a
recent
development,
although
it's
kind
of
a
common
sense
principle,
but
depending
on
the
type
of
contamination
I'm
going
to
hone
in
on
the
one
that
is
the
most
prolific
and
the
one
that
has
the
most
highest
level
of
risk
in
terms
of
toxicity
and
that's
per
chloroethylene,
which
is
a
dry
cleaning
agent
and
we're
a
40
year
old
capital
city.
F
Every
city
has
had
dry
cleaners
and
for
many
years
up
until
the
mid
70s,
when
some
of
the
of
these
particular
chemicals
were
basically
eliminated
in
terms
of
public
use.
There
was
many
leagues
and
tanks
leaked
almost
in
many
cases,
and
so
to
answer
your
question.
We're
the
highest
risk.
Typically,
that
we
see
here
in
Santa
Fe
is
a
series
of
mostly
in
most
every
case,
expired
or
at
a
business
dry
cleaners
that
had
spills.
F
There's
a
program
right
now,
where
the,
where
the
environment
department
is
proactively,
going
around
and
doing
Vapor
monitoring
and
to
your
point:
what
happens
is
stuff
vaporizes
and
what
you
don't
want
is
any
case
for
those
Vapors
enter
in
a
confined
space
like
a
building
that
would
expose
people,
because
that
is
a
risk,
so
there's
10
right
now
and
I
could
list
them.
Some
of
them
off
but
or
I
can
come
back
and
provide
you
a
more
detailed
update.
F
But
the
idea
is,
if
those,
if
those
Vapor
samples
are
found
to
have
this
pce,
then
they
go
to
the
next
phase,
which
would
then
be
shallow
Wells
and
again.
This
is
why
it
takes
so
long
to
get
so
costly.
It's
a
systematic
process.
C
So
so
I
think
it
was
the
map
before
that
had
some
the
yeah.
C
F
So
in
this
particular
site,
there's
been
very
limited,
Vapor
monitoring,
but
what
has
been
done
has
shown
no
evidence
of
vapor
contamination,
but
all
that
monitoring
was
done
prior
to
the
detection
of
that
eln,
Apple
that
floating
fuel.
So
to
your
point,
there
is
now
an
unknown
potential
conduit
that
needs
to
be
investigated.
Okay,
it's
very
insightful
and.
C
C
Well,
I
appreciate
this
and
I
appreciate
all
the
attention
that
you
and
your
team
have
put
forth
on
this
matter.
It's
I
think
it's
a
very
concerning
situation
that
we
needed
once
this
report
comes
out.
I
don't
know
Mr
chair.
We
can
come
back
and
have
you
present
it
to
us
that
way?
We
can
begin
to
determine
next
steps,
because
if
we
need
to
begin
to
address
this,
because
if
it's
traveling
into
this
neighborhood,
those
homes
are
going
to
be
impacted,
that
I
will
free
a
well
and
is
that
that's
not
Village.
That's
yeah.
F
F
F
Say,
government
and
government
working
with
them
and
we're
working
together
that
we
share
the
same
obviously
concerns
and
interests
to
remedy
this
problem,
but
there's
another
well
that
you
could
see.
That's
to
the
West
I
think
it's
on
the
screen.
Here.
F
C
Well
again,
thank
you.
Mr
Schneider
I
really
appreciate
this
and
please
keep
us
up
to
date
and
I.
Look
forward
to
the
report
in
April.
Thank
you.
Mr.
F
F
So
basically,
this
plume
of
dissolved
phase
contaminants,
mostly
Benzene,
that's
the
red
halo,
and
you
see
the
the
question
mark.
We
don't
know
how
far
it
extends
it
could
already
be
under
that
neighborhood.
In
all
likelihood
it
might
be,
and
so
what
we're
asking
for
is
a
well
as
I
said
described
as
the
canary
in
the
coal
mine
is.
How
far
has
it
extended
is?
Does
it
pose
a
threat
when
we
run
these
computer
models
and
we
estimate
the
travel
time
what
what
year
would
it
arrive?
F
F
So
the
the
environment
department
is,
is
the
lead
agency,
so
our
letter,
which
is
in
the
packet,
requested
that
monitoring
well
and
that
was
in
2021.
F
So
the
response
from
the
environment
department
is
allow
us
to
proceed
with
this
investigation.
That's
ongoing
that
will
be
reported
in
that
April
2023
report,
and
then
we
will
determine
whether
we'll
what
those
next
steps
are,
including
we'll
consider
the
well
you
requested,
is
the
way
I
understand
it.
E
E
F
B
F
F
Pnm
has
not
emitted
liability
to
the
root
cause
of
the
spill.
The
this
phase
of
work
is
being
done
under
the
calf,
which
is
being
subsidized
as
or
paid
for
by
the
taxpayers
in
New
Mexico.
E
E
E
Okay-
and
so
you
know
to
answer
this
question,
why
is
it
taking
so
long
for
us
to
address
if
the
US
in
that
is
the
city
of
Santa
Fe
I
mean
there's,
there's
not
a
lot.
We
can
do
because
this
kind
of
thing
is
very
expensive
and
it's
the
primary
responsible
party
that
will
end
up
having
to
pay
to
remediate
the
situation
here.
Correct
very.
F
E
And
I
guess
you
know
all
right,
so
we
have
a
letter
in
our
packet
asking
for
this
new
monitoring.
Well,
I
mean
what
else
from
our
chairs
here.
What
else
can
we
be
doing?
Who
else
needs
to
be.
E
I
mean
I
I
think
this
is
a
well-known
problem.
Obviously,
we've
been
dealing
with
it
for
a
long
time,
but
how
do
we
create
some
urgency
with
the
people
who
actually
have
the
ability
to
help
us
begin
to
address
this?
Because
essentially
we
don't
know,
we
don't
know
how
far
the
plume
extends.
So
we
don't
really
know
the
extent
of
the
problem.
We
don't
know
who's
responsible
for
the
problem
and
that
makes
it
really
hard
to
figure
out
what
to
do
about
the
problem.
E
F
E
Mean,
and-
and
here
we
have
a
legislature
with
lots
of
money
in
terms
of
this
corrective
action
fund-
is
anybody?
What
are
we
doing
in
this
session?.
F
So
councilman,
thank
you
for
that
question.
I'm
gonna
respond
on
a
very
sort
of
General
high-level
there's,
probably
three
courses
of
action
and
I
wish
Marcos
was
here,
but
when
the
city
acquired
the
water
company
from
pnm
and
we
dissected
sort
of
the
liability
of
this
site,
we
essentially
have
lost
the
Santa
Fe
well,
which
is
the
well
that's
in
that
red
halo,
so
effectively
we're
the
horn
party.
F
So
there
could
be
resource
damage.
Claims
between
the
city
and
pnm
is
potentially
one
scenario
and
again
I'm,
not
an
attorney,
but
these
are
things
that
are
fairly
common
practice
and
environmental
restoration
work.
Another
one
potentially
could
be
a
breach
of
contract
with
with
the
acquisition
of
the
water
company
and
the
assets
that
were
provided.
Obviously
one
is
damage,
potentially
others
are
threatened.
F
Thirdly,
would
be
to
put
more
pressure
on
the
environment
Department
to
at
least
acknowledge
and
recognize
the
uncertainties
that
I've
highlighted
here.
They've
been
very
focused
and
they've,
been
doing
excellent
work
that
they're
very
focused
on
that
eln.
Apple
on.
F
I'm,
sorry,
that
floating
fuel
oil
that
resides
at
the
water
table
about
275
feet
below
the
ground
below
our
feet
is
this
fuel
that's
leading
to
this
plume
of
of
groundwater,
contaminants
dissolves
that
flow
with
groundwater,
so
their
strategies
is
right?
Is
you
got
to
tackle
that
Source?
It's
like
cutting
the
head
off
of
the
Dragon
right
you
just
if
you
can
remove
that
Source,
then
things
can
attenuate
and
clean
up
takes
a
long
time,
but
it
can
be
done.
Problem
is.
F
Is
that
to
the
point
that
councilor
Garcia
was
making
is
right
now,
there's
no
constraint,
there's
no
way
that
we're
limiting
that
migration
of
that
plume,
and
now
we
have
other
assets
that
are
under
threat,
and
that's
really
to
me
the
most
immediate
concern.
E
Right
and
we,
the
city,
aren't
going
to
be,
we
can't
just
go
out
there
and
fix
it.
I
mean
we're
talking
the
the
level
of
money.
That's
required,
the
the
question
about
who's
responsible
for
it,
the
the
question
about
what
do
you
do
about
it
like
we're,
yeah,
we're
kind
of
stuck
in
a
way?
You
know
very
frustrating
because
of
the
importance
of
these
wealth
fields
to
the
city's
water
supply.
E
F
Yeah
I
think
the
primary
one
is
is
what
that
letter
attempted
to
achieve
is
to
escalated
to
to
the
secretary
secretary
Kenny.
Listen,
the
city
of
Santa
Fe
has
been
a
partner
for
35
years
on
this
project,
but
we
really
want
to
see
things
more
expedited
in
terms
of
characterization
of
this
contamination
and
then
mitigation
through
a
remediation
program
and
again,
as
as
you
highlighted,
it
runs
hot
and
cold.
F
They
have
been
very
focused
right
now
on
trying
to
address
that
Source
area
and
to
answer
your
question:
I
I
think
a
follow-up
letter
potentially
Thinking
Out
Loud,
which
is
dangerous
up
here,
is
we
get
the
report?
We
get
a
meeting
with
the
environment
department
at
a
technical
level.
I
will
invite
Marcos
to
attend
and
we
come
back
to
the
puc
with
an
update
because
they
did
install
six
new
wells
and
we'll
see
how
this
story
has
changed
and
where
the
data
gaps
still
are.
F
E
E
So
there's
that
and
these
things
are
very
complex
and
they
deal
with
complex
environmental
laws,
but
I
I
like
I'd,
be
curious,
and
maybe
we
talk
offline
about
how
we
create
some
urgency
around
this
I
I
know.
Alex
was
working
on
this.
He
retired
correct,
correct.
A
E
And
I
remember
having
a
conversation
with
him
and
there
was
a
funding.
Question
was
a
big
problem
and
I.
Don't
know
whether
that
got
resolved,
but
you
know
I
think
we
need
to
keep
this
on
the
front
burner,
and
so
the
awareness
is
good.
Coming
back
to
us
is
good:
let's,
let's
keep
the
level
high
on
it,
so
that
we
can,
you
know,
start
to
make
some
progress
here.
G
Thank
you
chair
appreciate
the
dialogue
here
between
my
colleagues
and
and
you
many
of
the
questions
I
had
that
were
answered
and
thank
you
for
asking
those
questions
in
regards
to
the
the
green
Wells.
You
said
those
are,
those
are
drilled
by
the
state.
F
Yeah,
thank
you
counselor,
so
the
green
dots
are
wells
that
were
drilled
as
part
of
the
environmental
program,
primarily
either
funded
by
pnm
or
the
state
through
the
nmed.
Through
this
CAF
program,
one
thing
I
did
fail
to
highlight.
Maybe
you're
leading
me
down,
but
if
not
is
there
are
other
Wells
outside
of
the
Halo?
Do
you
see
those
Wells
yep.
F
Thought
you
maybe
read
it
so
I'm.
Thank
you
because
I
I
did
fail
to
mention
that
this
is
sort
of
a
gray
area
of
jurisdiction.
Those
are
domestic,
Wells
and
they're,
not
the
responsibility
of
the
Water
Division
in
terms
of
managing
their
water
quality
and,
strangely
enough
they're,
not
in
the
responsibility
of
the
environment
Department.
This
is
sort
of
a
very
precarious
situation.
What
the
city
did
is
we
embarked
as
part
of
that
Wellhead
Protection
Program
a
program
we
knocked
on
doors
like
we
were
basically
saying?
Listen,
we
would
love
to
sample
your
well.
F
We
got
one
of
the
well-sampled,
but
most
of
them
either
were
not
located,
were
dry
they're,
very
shallow.
They
were
installed
in
the
40s
and
50s
and
water
tables
dropped
below
their
screen
at
this
point.
F
G
G
G
Of
in
your
area,
so
there
are
other
domestic
Wells
that
are
kind
of
in
the
vicinity.
We
have
those
been
looked
at.
F
Yeah
so
they've
been
investigated
and
there
has
been
attempts
to
contact
the
owners.
So
that's
part
of
our
proposal
is
we
have
identified
two
that
we
feel
as
though
need
to
be
further
explored
and
sampled
we've
made
attempts
to
contact
the
owners,
the
challenges
these
Wells
are
so
old.
G
So
I
guess
going
back
to
once
we
find
out
really
what
the
severity
of
all
of
this
is.
In
a
worst
case
scenario,
you
double
or
triple
the
size
of
this
area.
Identify
more
I
mean
what's
the
process
to
clean
this
up,
and
you
know,
how
is
that
even
done.
F
Yes,
I,
can
you
know
the
environment
department
will
have
a
very
difficult
decision
to
make
as
to
whether
to
then
go
to
pnm
and
say
we
based
on
all
the
information.
We
have.
We've
determined
that
you
that
pnm
is
the
primary
responsible
party
and
therefore
you're
responsible
for
the
cleanup,
or
continue
to
move
at
very
slow,
incremental
Paces
under
the
calf,
because
the
money's
only
limited
and
it's
going
to
drag
out
for
Beyond
for
a
very
long
time
decades.
I
hate
to
say.
G
How
so,
how
was
the
Ln
APL
identified
the
little
slipper
in
there?
How
is.
F
That
identical,
oh
El,
Napoli,
yes,
oh
interesting
story
there,
one
of
the
old
Wells,
which
hadn't
been
sampled
in
years,
is
part
of
re-establishing
this
characterization
effort.
This
latest
one
we
went
to
the
we
requested
it
to
be
sampled.
It
was
sampled
and
they
found
fuel
oil
like
a
four
feet
of
fuel
oil
on
top
of
the
water
in
that
well,
wow
and.
G
F
F
F
And
it
has
had
detections
in
the
past
of
benzene
or
b-text
constituents
in
it,
but
it's
offline
right
now
that
one
we
can
use
I.
Wouldn't
there
is
a
treatment
system
on
it,
but
I.
My
my
recommendations
to
my
supervisors
is
to
to
leave
that
well
offline,
because
the
challenge
of
poses
a
risk,
but
also,
if
we
pump
the
well
it
will
smear
contamination
the
aquifer
and
make
this
cleanup
even
more
challenging.
G
Yeah,
so
you
know,
just
with
all
the
information
that's
been
provided,
I
mean
this
is
definitely
seems
to
be
a
pretty
serious
issue.
I
think
that
needs
to
be,
but
that
I
mean
fixed
at
some
point,
but
I
I
appreciate
the
information
and
I
think
that
it's
definitely
it's
troubling
to
to
hear
where
we're
at
right
now
and
where
we
could
possibly
be,
and
so
thank
you
thank
you
for
the
presentation
and
for
bringing
it
Mr
chair
to
the
committee.
D
Thank
you,
cancer,
Garcia
Bill,
the
dark
blue
line.
That's
headed
I
guess
towards
the
Santa
Fe
River.
Is
that
the
flow
of
the
water?
That's
Underground.
It
is
yes
all
right,
so
we
requested
well
monitoring
well
along
that
route,
which
was
denied.
Are
we
able
to
go
maybe
further
down
that
line
to
the
awafria
or
the
kanyada
well
and
potentially
check
there,
since
the
other
well
was
denied?
Thank.
F
You
Mr
chair,
yes,
we
we
actually
did
sample
those
Wells
and
we
regularly
do
to
challenge
those
Wells
poses
there
are
water
supply,
Wells,
and
so,
if
it
arrives
at
those
Wells,
then
the
problems
exasperated.
What
we're
trying
to
do
is
move
in
preparation
and
determine
where
that,
where
that
plume
is
so
that
because
it
could
could,
if
like,
for
example,
if
it
is
a
very
low
detection
at
PMW,
and
it
provide
a
scenario
for
you
so
that
the
Halo
is
basically
now
doubled
as
counselor.
F
We
would
have
mitigation
plans
for
the
agrofia
well
that
could
meaning
reducing
pumping
so
that
we
don't
pull
it
towards
us.
It
could
mean
adding
a
treatment
system
at
hopefully
at
the
expense
of
the
PRP.
But
again
we
really
hope
that
never
happens.
That's.
Why
we're
very
appreciative
of
the
support
here,
because
I
as
councilman
worth
alluded
to,
we
kind
of
feel
like
we
are
on
the
sidelines
here
and
yet
we're
the
harm
parties.
So
it
is
a
difficult
situation.
F
B
D
All
right
any
other
questions
for
Mr
Schneider,
let's
plan
for
another
presentation,
once
we
get
the
April
letter
and
then
that'll
give
us
a
better
idea
of
maybe
things
that
we
can
do
to
help
out
at
our
level,
either
with
legislature
or
with
Congressional
Delegation,
to
see
what
can
be
done
and
make
sure
it
can
be
done
quicker,
especially
if,
if
more
monitoring
Wells
are
not
approved,
so
I
think
either
way
we
may
be.
But
let's
let's
wait
till
we
get
that
letter
and
then
we'll
go
from
there.
D
Thank
you
and
then,
at
that
meeting,
whenever
the
presentation
is
in
in
April,
maybe
Marcos
can
be
here
as
well.
I
know
he's
got
a
lot
of
background
in
history
on
it
as
well.
Thank.
B
D
From
the
committee,
all
right
I
have
nothing
as
well
with
that.
Our
next
meeting
is
Monday
February
20th
2023,
with
that
we
are
adjourned.
Thank
you.