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on
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approval
of
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consent
agenda.
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there
items
that
the
committee
would
wish
to
hear
council
travis.
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favor
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aye
hi
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opposed
motion
passes.
Oh,
I
guess
I
keep
forgetting
to
say
aye.
Moving
on
to
approval
of
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minutes
from
the
may
18
2022
quality
of
life
committee
meeting
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changes
from
staff,
no
changes
changes
from
the
committee
and,
if
not,
can
I
get
a
motion.
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to
approve
second
and
all
in
favor,
say
aye,
any
opposed.
Okay.
Moving
on
to
item
six
presentations,
our
first
presentation,
our
findings
and
recommendations
from
the
city
of
santa
fe,
violence,
prevention,
research
and
development
process.
We
have
julie
sanchez
from
youth
and
family
services
here
to
present,
oh
and
also
sophie,
and
our
from
independent,
independent
consultant
who's.
A
chess
wonderful
welcome.
D
D
Good
evening,
madam
chair
counselors,
I'm
julie
sanchez,
I'm
the
youth
and
family
services
division
director
for
the
city
of
santa
fe,
and
I
am
incredibly
privileged
to
have
dr
sophie
andar
here.
Who's
been
working
with
my
division
over
the
last
10-ish
8-ish
since
november.
She
reminded
me
since
november
on
addressing
issues
of
community
violence
within
the
city
of
santa
fe.
H
Thank
you
so
much
julie
and
good
evening.
Everyone.
Thank
you
so
much
for
the
opportunity
to
speak
with
you
today.
H
So
many
incredible
community
members,
it's
been
a
real
privilege
to
see
you
know
briefly
a
little
bit
about
what
brought
me
into
the
work
of
violence
prevention
like
for
so
many.
It
was
violence
itself
and
I
was
fortunate
to
have
the
opportunity
to
pursue
a
deeper
understanding
of
violence
and
its
prevention
through
healing
in
education.
H
I
proceed
a
doctorate
in
health
education
with
a
focus
on
violence
prevention
and
have
had
the
chance
to
learn
more
in
subsequent
roles
in
the
anti-trafficking
field,
as
well
as
overdose
prevention
and
different
areas
of
behavioral
health.
So
that's
what
brings
me
to
this
project
and
move
on
to
that
first
slide.
H
So
the
project
really
began.
Well,
I
would
say
the
conversations
began
to
really
flourish
following
the
tragic
death
of
jb
white
a
couple
summers
ago,
and
there
were
some
tremendous
efforts
to
facilitate
some
healing
and
a
deeper
understanding
of
what
took
place
and
how
to
prevent
it
from
happening
again.
H
Kovid
then
hit
us,
and
there
was
some
time
of
pause.
Although
efforts
continued
in
various
ways,
so
I
had
the
chance
to
re-engage
the
conversation
in
november,
as
julie
said,
when
there
were
growing
concerns
being
expressed
around
additional
shootings,
especially
involving
youth,
and
a
strong
desire
to
really
get
ahead
of
this
problem
that
appears
to
be
getting
worse
certainly
has
been
appearing
to
worsen
nationwide
and
in
new
mexico
as
well,
where
there's
been
about
a
30
percent
increase
in
homicides
as
well
as
increases
in
aggravated
assaults
and
hate
crimes
nationally
here
in
santa
fe.
H
Unfortunately,
we
experienced
five
more
homicides
than
the
previous
year
and
almost
a
doubling
of
assault.
Of
course,
it's
worth
noting
that
so
much
violence
doesn't
get
reported,
so
much
of
it
is
of
a
covert
or
hidden
nature.
So
when
the
excuse
me
I'm
having
trouble.
H
Just
to
note
the
urgency
with
regard
to
young
people,
there
is
a
perception
that
more
young
people
are
getting
their
hands
on
guns,
one
youth
service
provider.
I
spoke
with
said
that
in
just
march,
their
staff
and
that
person
counted
how
many
of
their
current
clients
have
either
a
gun
or
have
easy
access
to
a
gun,
and
it
was
about
41,
which
this
person,
I
think,
rightfully
so
felt
was
scary.
H
Fortunately,
we
have
a
lot
of
that,
because
violence
has
been
acknowledged
as
a
public
health
problem
for
more
than
30
years.
So
the
research
is
really
well
well
substantiated
at
this
point
on
what
what
works,
although
there's
always
lots
of
room
to
grow
into
lots
of
changing
patterns,
so
part
of
this
process
was
a
bunch
of
anonymous
interviews
to
really
give
people
the
space
to
share
openly
and
earnestly
and
then
ongoing
conversations
with
organizational
representatives.
So
here's.
F
H
H
I
want
to
share
a
definition
of
violence
up
front
here,
just
so
that
we
are
all
coming
from
a
shared
understanding
of
what
violence
is.
There's
lots
of
different
ways
to
define
violence.
I
find
this
one's
particularly
helpful
because
it
talks
about
the
spectrum
of
overt
and
covert
violence.
It's
by.
H
Doctor
sorry,
professor
barbara
wallace
and
she
says,
violence
is
delivering
physical
blows,
with
or
without
weaponry
displaying
and
misusing
one's
power
or
bombarding
a
person
with
destructive
misinformation
and
myths,
so
that,
in
effect,
an
assault
occurs
either
on
a
person's
physical
body
or
to
the
self-concept
identity.
Cognitions
affects
and
consciousness
of
the
victim
of
violence.
So
violence
occurs
in
invisible
and
glaring
ways.
H
The
approach
to
the
recommendations
is
to
describe
three
different
levels
of
priority
that
correlate
with
the
three
levels
of
prevention
in
the
public
health
field,
so,
starting
with
the
most
urgent
level
critical
which
refers.
This
is
tertiary
prevention
and
it
refers
to
those
who
are
most
affected
by
violence.
Those
are
people
who
are
living
with
violence
at
home,
people
who
are
being
victimized
by
violence
or
people
who
are
behaving
violently.
H
Secondly,
and
also
very
high
level
of
priority
secondary
prevention,
the
target
population
there
are
those
who
are
in
closest
contact
with
violence,
victims
and
or
people
who
are
using
violence
and
also
people
who
witness
violence
and
then
finally,
primary
prevention,
which
refers
to
the
whole
community.
That's
your
universal
prevention
level,
because
we're
all
affected
by
violence
we're
all
exposed
to
it
in
one
way
or
another.
H
The
first
one
here
is
to
establish
and
fund
a
collaborative
city
and
county
violence
prevention
unit
in
the
last
several
years,
a
number
of
cities
that
have
been
taking
on
the
urgency
of
increasing
violence
and
really
recognizing
what
a
harmful
public
health
problem
it
is.
They
have
established
within
their
own
municipalities,
government
divisions
that
are
dedicated
to
violence
reduction
and
its
prevention.
H
This
is
needed
because
at
this
point
we
don't
have
a
consolidated
data
system
to
track
how
much
violence
is
taking
place
in
all
of
its
forms.
I
wouldn't
say
that
there's
any
perfect
data
collection
system
for
that
anywhere
because
of
the
hidden
nature
of
so
many
forms
of
violence,
but
there's
lots
of
opportunities
to
increase
our
understanding.
Based
on
the
information
we
do
have.
H
There
is
a
lack
of
infrastructure.
That's
really
facilitating
a
comprehensive
and
coordinated
approach
for
local
balance
prevention
and
we're
in
need
of
folks
to
really
engage
a
violence
prevention,
workforce,
there's
lots
of
jobs
available
that
are
currently
unfilled
and
perhaps
could
could
be
filled
in
the
future
to
wrap
more
support
around
this
problem.
H
Here's
just
a
highlight
of
some
of
the
national
best
practices
that
are
recommended
for
a
city
or
region-wide
community
violence,
prevention,
effort,
investing
in
workforce
development,
something
I
just
mentioned
as
well
as
really
leveraging
community-based
partnerships
building
those
partnerships
ensuring
that
there
is
a
strong
community
voice,
informing
the
approach
and
also
promoting
a
trauma,
informed
approach.
H
Another
top
recommendation
is
to
in
the
spirit
of
supporting
those
who
are
at
most
risk
for
experiencing
violence
firsthand
or
for
committing
violence,
is
to
support,
educate
and
employ
a
cohort
of
youth
at
high
risk
for
violence
to
serve
as
community
support
workers
and
contribute
to
balance
prevention
once
sufficiently
prepared.
H
So
we
know
that
mentorship
access
to
behavioral
health
support
access
to
basic
needs
that
can
mitigate
health
disparities.
These
are
all
you
know,
meaningful
engagement
with
with
peers
and
with
safe
adults.
These
are
all
things
that
can
help
young
people
reduce
their
likelihood
of
getting
involved
in
violence.
H
Also,
the
need
for
this
was
really
emphasized
in
the
interviews
that
were
held,
which
is
so.
Some
of
these
points
are
justification
for
why
young
people
should
actually
get
compensated
to
engage
in
such
a
program
where
they
would
be
cultivating
the
capacity
to
work
in
a
violence
prevention
type
way.
H
Many
have
noted
that
economic
stress
contributes
to
young
people's
use
of
violence.
The
perception
that
getting
involved
in
selling
drugs
or
guns
can
be
a
quick
path
not
only
to
having
some
economic
gain,
but
a
way
of
experiencing
a
sense
of
belonging
from
older
adults
who
are
manipulating
them
or
peers,
who
might
be
projecting
those
as
ways
that
you
know
validate
you.
H
I
think
I
mentioned
this
before
just
how
this
matches
up
with
the
with
the
research
and
what
we
know
promotes,
promotes
health
and
reduces
risk
for
violence
among
youth.
H
And
the
the
key
thing
here
is
that,
just
as
isolation,
whether
it's
rejection
from
one's
family
or
from
one's
peers
or
stigmatization,
due
to
a
perceived
difference
or
due
to
social
marginalization,
just
as
those
forms
of
isolation
really
increase
people's
risks
for
becoming
violent.
You
know
connection
and
offering
unconditional
support
are
the
things
that
protect
us.
And
I
think
we
all
understand
this
at
a
pretty
intuitive
level.
After
experiencing
a
community
event
that
we
find
to
be
healing
or
an
opportunity
to
really
connect
meaningfully
with
others
in
a
sustained
way.
H
With
regard
to
the
preparation
of
young
people
to
become
community
support
workers,
this
is
hinging
on
a
best
practice
model
whereby
credible
influencers
are
identified
in
the
community.
So
these
are
folks
who
are
coming
from
the
very
neighborhoods
where
violence
is
most
likely
to
be
occurring.
They
are
intimately
aware
of
the
local
issues
and
they
are
regarded
as
someone
who
you
know
is
worth
listening
to.
They've
earned
the
respect
of
of
their
younger
peers,
maybe
because
they
spent
some
time
experiencing
the
consequences
and
have
overcome
those
those
consequences,
so
the
cure
violence.
H
So
we're
talking
about
a
documented
40
to
70
percent
reduction
in
shootings
in
the
places
where
it
has
been
rolling
out
and
it's
a
very
effective
model
so
much
that
lots
of
different
types
of
community
violence.
Intervention
programs
have
adopted
different
variations
of
it.
H
F
H
So,
in
conclusion,
violence
is
a
major
issue
that
concerns
us
all
in
santa
fe,
due
to
its
growing
prevalence
and
the
toll
it
takes.
I
didn't
go
into
this
much,
but
to
some
extent
I
don't
think
it
needs
to
be
said
at
once.
We
we
have
to
bring
greater
recognition
to
how
harmful
it
is.
On
the
other
hand,
I
think
we
are
really
attuned,
sadly,
because
it's
hard
to
go
a
day
without
having
a
tragic
incident
of
violence
in
our
place,
even
if
it's
not
happening
in
our
own
city.
H
D
So,
thank
you
sophie.
That
was
a
lot
of
information.
This
has
been
a
really
long
project
in
the
making
and
I'm
incredibly
proud
of
the
work
that
we've
put
into
this
and
actually
incredibly
proud
that
our
governing
body
has
supported
this
work
so
much
that
we've
already
begun
our
next
steps,
which
is
hiring
a
full-time
program
manager
to
really
take
these
recommendations
and
build
a
sustainable
program
around
how
we
intervene
with
incidents
of
violence
in
our
community.
D
Because
again,
violence
is
not
only
in
our
city.
It
also
extends
to
the
county
and
extends
to
the
state.
And
so
finally,
we'll
have
our
final
recommendations
to
you
all
by
june
30th,
and
we
will
welcome
your
feedback
on
the
recommendations.
If
you
have
any
other
folks
that
you
want
us
to
reach
out
to,
it
would
be
really
great
to
have
your
input
on
those
recommendations,
and
with
that
I
will
go
ahead
and
open
it
up
for
questions.
C
Wonderful,
thank
you
both
so
much
for,
for
both
the
thorough
research
and
the
thorough
presentation,
as
well
as
the
work
on
this
issue.
It
is,
unfortunately
a
very
timely
issue
for
this
meeting,
but
I
am
very
grateful
to
see
that
there's
already
been
so
much
focus
and
so
much
that
has
gone
into
it
and
that
we
are
at
a
place
where
we
actually
are
talking
about
next
steps,
which
is
really
wonderful
to
hear
I'll,
go
ahead
and
open
it
up
to
the
committee.
Any
members
have
questions
or
comments
at
this
time.
J
F
J
This
is
tough
for
me
because
you
know
there
was
just
a
an
incident
about
him
about
a
month
ago,
where
my
child
at
school
was
part
of
a
violent
act
and
her
peer
didn't
realize
that
it
was
violent.
You
know
she
might.
My
daughter
was
smacked
upside
the
face
and
her
peer
didn't
realize.
That
was
not
the
appropriate
action,
and
you
see
this
happening
all
the
time
from
our
young
folks
to
our
elders
in
our
community.
J
Nobody
is
shielded
from
violence,
and
this
is
an
issue
that
we
need
to
shine
a
spotlight
on.
We
need
to
be
able
to
provide
the
appropriate
services
and
supports,
and
I
appreciate
the
lists
that
are
coming
the
the
list
of
I
think
it's
11,
that's
provided
in
our
packet.
I'm
excited
to
learn
about
what's
coming
forth,
because
this
is
an
issue
that
it's
going
to
take
all
of
us.
J
J
The
more
we
can
begin
to
develop
programming
to
support
folks
all
the
way
from
the
youngest
spectrum
to
our
elders
in
the
community,
and
let
folks
know
that
there
are
supports
and
how
we
are
working
to
improve
this
horrible
situation.
That's
in
front
of
us,
you
know,
I
think
the
pandemic
has
really
exposed
where
our
gaps
are
didn't
help
by
folks
being
locked
up
for
a
year
and
a
half.
G
J
The
violence
that
went
unreported
during
that
year
and
a
half
is
it's
scary.
We
all
we
all.
I
think
we
all
could
probably
agree
that
lots
of
violence
happened
that
went
unreported
for
one
reason
or
another,
and
it
still
happens.
To
this
day
I
mean
we've
got
I've
got
folks
who
constituents
that
will
reach
out
to
me
because
they
don't
want
to
call
the
police
because
they're
afraid,
but
they
want
to
see
some
type
of
change.
J
And
I
think
that's
where
we
need
to
begin
to
start
moving
towards
in
the
sense
of
society,
not
us
as
a
governing
body,
not
as
us
as
a
city
us
as
a
society
to
know
that
we
are
all
here
to
support
each
other,
we're
stronger
together
versus
isolated,
and
I
think
that's
what
made
us
two
steps
back
with
the
isolation
now
that
we're
all
back
together.
It's
it's
incumbent
of
us
to
tackle
this
challenge
and
really
make
it
impact
in
folks
lives.
J
J
A
Thank
you
so
much
counselor
counselor
travis.
Thank
you,
julie,
sophie.
I
always
appreciate
when
you
share
your
information.
I
just
I
have
a
comment.
I
really
appreciate
the
emphasis
on
youth
and
I'm
gonna
say
this
over
and
over
again.
I
think
that
we
often
get
really
concerned
about
violence
amongst
our
adult
community
members
and
what
we
can
do
to
prevent
that
from
occurring,
but
to
really
make
those
huge
gains.
A
It's
going
to
be
really
killing
youth,
so
they
don't
grow
up
to
be
in
those
shoes
as
adults
and
really
that
is
how
we
truly
prevent
violence
from
growing
in
our
population
and
our
communities.
Educating
our
youth
addressing
trauma
amongst
our
youth,
throwing
as
many
community
resources
at
our
youth,
and
I
love
the
mentorship.
I
just
had
a
conversation
with
julian
care
about
mentorship.
A
You
know
connecting
youth
to
a
positive
adult,
has
just
dramatic
impact
on
trauma
that
a
child
faces
it's
just
so
powerful
because
we
often
use
you
know
well,
there's
real
barriers
in
our
state
in
regard
to
mental
health,
a
very
limited
mental
health,
especially
for
children,
but
I
think
something
that
we
can
do
as
a
community.
As
a
city
is
provide
them
opportunities
to
meet
people
who
could
lead
them
down
an
appropriate
path,
a
powerful
path,
a
path
that'll
lead
them
to
a
bright
future.
A
So
I
really
just
had
to
emphasize
my
appreciation
for
the
emphasis
on
youth
that
is
truly
prevention,
starting
with
our
youth
when
it
comes
to
violence
is
what
is
the
prevention
in
this
whole
process
when
we're
talking
about
violence
in
a
bigger
picture,
so
I
appreciate
that
acknowledgement.
Thank
you
so
much.
E
D
Chair
counselor
of
europe,
so
the
violence
prevention
unit
is
a
coordinated
response.
We're
really
going
to
be
tracking
data.
Doing,
inter
you
know,
addressing
issues
of
intervention
and
then
prevention,
because
a
lot
of
what
happens
is
you
know?
Violence
is
overlapping
and
it's
intersecting,
and
so
you
know
having
a
coordinated
response
is
really
helping
address
the
issue
at
all
risk
levels,
which
start
you
know,
as
counselor
travis
had
said
it
starts
with
our
youth
starts
at
home
and
then
also
can
trickle
into
our
schools
and
other
areas
in
our
community.
D
E
I
guess
I
was
wanting
to
see
the
connection
with
community.
It's
you
know
I
hear
who
would
be
part
of
it
that
would
be
instrumental
in
the
coordination
and
then
collecting
of
data.
I
guess
I'm
trying
to
also
fold
in
or
understand
how
it
folds
into
the
community
experience
with
like
qualitative
data
so
that
you
actually
hear
from
people
that
are
most
impacted
by
violence
versus
just
government
or
institutions
being
in
the
table
talking
about
it.
So
maybe
you
could
share
a
little
bit
more
about
your
vision
for
that.
H
I
think
that's
such
a
critical
question
because,
as
you
just
diluted,
sometimes
that
gap
persists
even
with
with
best
intentions
to
be
responsive
to
community
means.
So
I
think,
having
strong
strong
evaluation
component
would
be
necessary
to
ensure
that
data
is
coming
from
a
range
of
meaningful
sources,
including
first-hand
accounts
coming
from
all
kinds
of
community
members
who
might
not
traditionally
find
themselves
at
a
you
know.
Government
involved
convening
so
just
to
point
out
some
of
those
community-based
data
sources.
H
You
know
to
seek
a
community
member's
input
and
agreement
on
guiding
violence
prevention,
unit
principles
and
values.
So
what
are
community
members
who
are
already
engaged
in
issues
of
community
safety
and
health?
You
know
what
are
they
most
caring
about
that?
The
unit
uptake
in
its
approach,
for
instance,
health
equity
approach,
applying
a
a
gender.
H
H
Example,
maybe
also
promoting
values
of
integrity
and
kindness,
so
that
would
be
one
aspect
of
input.
As
mentioned,
the
youth
pilot
program
would
draw
upon
participants,
insights
and
ideas
on
how
community
violence
can
be,
how
it's
occurring
and
how
it
can
be
prevented
and
reduced.
H
I
think
it
would
be
important
for
the
unit
to
have
a
presence
in
open
community
gatherings
where
there's
an
invitation
extended.
Those
might
include
public
meetings,
health
and
education.
Events
such
as
health
fairs
and
events
sponsored
by
the
unit
itself
to
promote
violence
healing
and
prevention,
so
you'll
notice
in
the
secondary
and
tertiary,
I'm
sorry
secondary
and
primary
categories.
H
So
I
think
you
know
having
a
practice
of
eliciting
and
collecting
information
on
needs
and
assets
identified
through
community
groups
is
really
at
the
crux
of
this,
and
that
would
include
you
know
identifying
existing
local
advocacy
bodies
like
the
health
and
community
safety
task
force.
I
hope
I'm
saying
that
the
task
force
that
you
just
mentioned,
the
community
safety
task
force
to
really
ensure
that
you
know
whatever
efforts
are
being
put
forward.
Our
one
best
practice,
but
also
really
responsive
to
locally
identified
needs
and
recommendations.
E
I
see
the
connection
to
you
know:
community
groups
that
are
actually
more
on
the
ground.
I
mean
the
task
force.
E
But
you
know
it's
not
just
violence.
I
like
how
you
took
an
intersectional
approach
about
what
affects
people
and
and
how
they
end
up
being.
You
know,
leading
into
violent
ways,
and
just
life
like
what
in
their
life
is
actually
the
barriers
to
being
able
to
thrive,
and
so
I
think
those
are
important
pieces
in
in
your
research.
E
The
other
question
I
had
with,
and
I
guess
I
was
just
trying
to
understand
the
connection
between
our
community
health
and
safety
department,
and
then
that
is
also
included
with
you
know,
folks,
in
the
audience
that
are
from
pd
and
how
you
all
see
that
this
information
that
you're
providing
and
the
data
that
you
have
collected
if
and
also
the
recommendations,
how
you
think
this
plugs
into
to
that
department
and
pda
specifically
and
kind
of
like
their
role
in
this.
H
Absolutely
so
consulting
with
our
law
enforcement
partners
was
was
a
priority,
just
as
it
was
speaking
with
advocates
of
those
who
were
surviving
violence,
and
so
we
consulted
with
various
folks
along
the
way
to
ensure
that
recommendations
were
relevant
and
with
specific
respect
to
how
to
do
how
to
enhance
the
support
for
the
police
department
around
dealing
with
sexual
violence,
domestic
violence
and
human
trafficking.
H
So
there's
a
focus
focus
there.
So
I
would
say,
from
my
point
of
view,
there's
already
been
a
strong
partnership
that
has
begun,
but
I
think
it
would
be
important
for
this
unit
to
be
in
regular
communication
with
all
kinds
of
units
that
deal
with
matters
of
violence,
maybe
not
even
directly
but
indirectly.
So
you
know
sometimes
an
act
of
violence
shuts
down
roads
and
it's
affecting
public
transportation.
H
You
know
to
really
do
a
deep
dive
into.
How
does
violence
affect
all
of
the
different
public
services
that
this
department
is?
You
know
promoting
and
responsible,
for
so
I
think,
having
an
ongoing
kind
of
feedback
loop
that
would
inform
that
would
be
a
really
important
process.
E
I
guess
yeah
I
hear
what
you're
saying
about
that
piece
of
public
service
and
I
guess
I'm
trying
to
see
how
the
recommendations
could
then
feed
into
better
practices
in
our
departments
or
in
law
enforcement
in
general,
and
maybe
that's
what
I'm
not
connecting
yet,
not
that
you
have
to
solve
that
problem.
But
I
just
want
to
see
that
connection,
and
maybe
you
could
refer
to
a
section
that
talks
about
that.
Absolutely.
H
So,
actually,
recommendation
a
five.
So
that's
a
priority
level
critical
and
recommendation.
Number
five
is
to
include
fun
technical
assistance
for
the
santa
fe
police
department
to
support
an
organizational
culture
assessment
and
change
process,
divine
designed
to
enhance
workplace
wellness
and
equitable
and
quality
service
delivery.
H
There's
a
number
of
other
areas
that
technical
support
could
be
provided,
but
I'll
highlight
that
one,
because
the
focus
there
is
recognizing
that
people
working
in
people
doing
police
work
are
exposed
to
chronic
stress
and
constant
risk
for
experiencing
trauma,
and
there
are
due
to
a
you
know.
H
In
law
enforcement
fields,
I
won't
speak
to
if
that's
so
present
in
our
own
police
department,
but
it's
certainly
a
common
trait
among
professions
where
people
are
expected
to
be
really
strong.
All
the
time
in
the
face
of
tragedy,
there's
a
need
to
really
prioritize
mental
health
and
understand
how
is
one's
mental
health
doing
first
of
all
and
how
might
it
be
impacting
their
job?
H
So
I
see
the
recommendation
here
and
it's
reflected
in
recommendations
that
apply
to
all
organizations
that
deal
with
violence
later
on
in
sections
b
and
c,
but
really
to
prioritize
mental
health,
so
that
it's
being
well
assessed
to
ensure
that
folks
are
really
in
the
best
position
possible
to
do
their
jobs
and
with
equitable
service
delivery.
E
Thank
you,
dr
andar.
That
was
helpful.
That
was
kind
of
what
I
was
trying
to
see
or
understand
in
my
head
about
the
connection
to
our
work
and
and
our
departments
and
yeah,
I
think
I'm
excited
to
hear
actually
have
this
more,
maybe
in
more
in-depth
conversation
at
the
task
force
and
just
appreciate
the
the
work
you
do,
because
there's
just
a
lot
of
things
that
we
don't
know
that
our
youth
and
people
are
experiencing
in
this
city,
and
sometimes
it's
even
microaggressions
that
come
out.
So
I
just
want
our
youth
to
have
hope.
E
I
mean
it's
just
really.
I
think
all
of
us
do
to
be
able
to.
You
know,
hear
what
happened
in
the
devastating
shooting
of
jb
white
and
then
the
conviction
of
a
seven
montoya
and
nobody
wins
in
that
situation.
It's
just,
I
think
we
all
lose
and
and
a
young
life
not
is
just
lost,
but
another
one
is
also
lost,
because
there
was
no
other
connection
for
them,
so
I'll
stop
there.
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
B
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
just
kind
of
to.
B
Make
a
couple
of
comments.
I
guess
you
could
say
in
programs
such
as
this,
I
don't
think
can
come
any
sooner
or
have
been
even
for
so
long
and
when
you,
you
know,
you
take
a
look
at
where
the
where
the
community
building
is-
and
I
think
that's
where
a
lot
of
this
lies
in
terms
of
having
things
for
our
youth
to
be
have
access
to
places
to
go
safe
places
to
go.
B
You
know
we
hear
it
time
and
time
again.
People
tend
to
gravitate
to
groups
because
they
have
a
sense
of
belonging
and-
and
I
think
that's
the
same
thing
that
happens
in
society
and
if
it
happens
to
be
bad,
then
it's
bad
and-
and
you
know
terrible
terrible
things
happen
that
arise
from
these
things,
and
so
I
I
guess
one
comment
that
I
could
take
from
this
presentation.
I
I
meet
with
a
south
swathal
organization,
which
is
on
the
south
side
of
town.
B
You
know
they
bring
this
up.
Quite
quite
a
lot.
There's
a
young
man
in
that
group
called
jp.
His
name
is
jp
granillo
and
I
mean
he's
very
involved
with
this
trying
to
get
these.
These
young
people
out
and
talking
to
them-
and
so
I'm
sure
you
guys
know
all
of
these
things
going
back
to
how
do
we?
B
How
do
we
create
a
society
where
there
is
less
violence,
and
I
think
in
my
opinion,
it
comes
to
strengthening
our
sense
of
communities,
our
sense
of
family
and
our
sense
of
belonging
to
the
right
things,
and-
and
so
I
think,
that's
where
we're
headed
and-
and
I
kudos
to
you
guys
for
that-
the
last
thing
I
had
a
question
on
and
in
regards
to
the
your
presentation,
so
you
did
mention
that
there's
no
consolidated
data
system
to
track
how
much
violence
is
taking
place
is
that
something
that
is
currently
in
the
works
trying
to
be
worked
on.
B
You
hear
that
time
and
time
again
between
organizations.
We
have
the
data
here,
but
we
don't
have
it
there
and
they're,
not
communicating,
and
so
is
it
just
not
available
or
is
just
not
put
together.
H
I
think
it's
a
combination
of
both
counselor
garcia.
Thank
you
for
your
question.
The
department
of
health
gathers
certain
forms
of
injury
and
violence
data
and
disseminates
them.
We
have
local
morbidity
data
due
to
death
reports.
H
Although
the
data
is
there,
so
I
think
that
there's
a
need
to
sort
of
expedite
access
to
certain
forms
of
data
as
well
as
connect
them,
but
I
would
suggest,
as
next
steps
around
advancing
that
recommendation,
to
really
understand
better
from
our
law
enforcement
partners,
what
they
experience
as
barriers
to
collecting
and
sharing
quality
data,
maybe
gaps
due
to
a
lack
of
capacity,
including
technology,
talking
also
with
the
department
of
health,
injury
prevention
division
to
find
out
more
about
where
they
see
gaps
and
also
identifying
you
know
what
is
it
that
we
don't
know
that
needs
to?
H
That
would
be
really
helpful
to
know
so,
for
instance,
in
the
pure
violence
model.
You
know
if
santa
fe
were
to
get
to
the
point
of
deploying
credible
messengers
out
into
the
community
who
talk
to
people
who
are
on
the
verge
of
committing
a
retaliatory
form
of
violence,
because
that's
most
of
the
violence
that
that
is
dealing
with
violence
is
intergroup.
H
You
know
we
would
want
to
have
a
good
understanding
of
where
are
most
shootings
occurring
generally,
you
know
what
are
the
consequences
around
the?
What
are
sorry
the
circumstances
around
the
shootings,
but
you
know
domestic
violence,
sexual
assault
and
human
trafficking
are
three
major
forms
of
violence
where
data
is
traditionally
hugely
hard
to
to
get
and
to
verify
due
to
under-reporting.
So
I
think
we
have
a
lot
of
opportunity
there
to
ensure
that
these
major
forms
of
violence
are
really
incorporated
into
our
overall
picture
of
how
much
violence
is
taking
place.
B
Thank
you
yeah.
I
think
that's
very
important
to
be
able
to
have
accurate
data
and
access
to
it.
I
think
it's
really
important
that
we
we
do
work
on
this
and
and
get
it
moving
along,
because
it's
so
important
to
have
that
information,
and
I
guess
that
leads
into
where
you
say
that
there's
a
lack
of
infrastructure,
facilitating
comprehensive
and
coordinated
violence,
prevent
prevention
efforts,
and
so
here
again
connecting
the
dots
and
making
things
work.
I
think
that's
really
something
that
needs
a
lot
of
attention
too
and
organizations
working
together.
B
So
I
think
those
are
just
my
comments.
I
you
know
you
can
see
what
when
school
gets
out.
I
think
you
see
a
lot
of
this
stuff
happen,
because
now
people
aren't
focused,
and
so
you
know
let's
get
going.
I
guess
that's
what
to
say.
So.
Thank
you
guys
for
your
presentation.
C
I
just
have
a
couple
additional
questions
and
comments
so
one
I
know
that
we
have
recently
started
julie.
We
were
talking
about
this
the
other
day
partnering
with
the
anna
aj
institute.
That's
doing
a
lot
of
work
on
adverse
childhood
experiences
and
what
that
looks
like
in
our
community
and
and
new
mexico
does
see
a
a
very
large
percentage
of
individuals
who
have
you
know
gotten
over.
C
Of
of
four
or
more
that
they
they
tend
to
focus
on,
although
I
would
say
that
some
of
them
are
some
of
them,
one
ace
is
bad
enough,
and,
and
so
I'm
curious
about
kind
of
backtracking.
H
So
one
of
the
thank
you
man.
I
appreciate
the
question.
I
think
one
of
the
first
key
steps
in
addition
to
really
clarifying
who
are
those
core
community
stakeholders
who
are
at
the
grassroots
advocacy
level
who
are
addressing
violence,
and
you
know
advising
on
governmental
responses
to
balance.
In
addition
to
putting
that
in
place,
I
think
an
important
next
step
would
be
developing
a
an
actionable
strategic
plan
that
would
look
at
violence
comprehensively
to
ensure
that
people
who
are
in
all
three.
H
Of
risk,
tertiary,
secondary
and
primary
are
all
receiving
some
kind
of
effective
or
best
practice
balance
prevention,
intervention.
One
way
that
this
is
already
covered
in
the
recommendations,
but
in
a
non-specific
way
is
recommendation
number
b,
three,
which
is
to
continue
to
fund
and
expand
violence.
H
And
programs
with
demonstrated
value
in
school
and
community
settings,
including
those
designated
to
a
assess
and
mitigate
violence,
risk
and
b
build
knowledge
and
skills
in
social,
emotional
learning,
racial
and
gender
equity,
identification
of
violence,
types,
bystander,
intervention,
restorative
justice
and
trauma-informed
practices.
So
so
many
of
our
community
partners
already
engaged
in
really
tremendous
work
in
these
areas,
and
this
is
really
recommendation
around
scaling
up
that
work.
C
Wonderful,
thank
you.
I
appreciate
that
and
really
looking
at
what
that
wide
net
looks
like
you
know,
I'm
curious,
and
maybe
you
have
the
same
filter
that
I
do.
I
I
well.
D
D
I
know
that
the
nonprofits
that
I
work
closely
with
a
lot
of
them
are
very
trauma
informed
and
do
yearly
trauma
training,
but
that's
only
a
small
section
of
you
know
the
non-profit
world
that
I
see
same
thing
with
the
county.
You
know
my
counterpart
at
the
county
that
I've
been
working
with
requires
actually
trauma,
informed
care
for
her
grantees
and
so
I'd
be
really
interested
to
start.
H
Just
to
add,
I
think
that,
as
you
suggested,
you
know
folks
who
are
receiving
services
from
provider,
organizations
that
are
endeavoring
to
be
trauma-informed
or
that
would
do
well
to
be
trauma-informed.
I
think
they're,
the
the
key
folks
to
ask
you
know
about
their
quality
of
care
and
to
learn
more
from
sort
of
the
health
consumers
perspectives.
H
H
H
Re-Traumatized,
but
I
think
we
all
have
a
long
way
to
go.
Some
organizations
are
prioritizing
it
more
than
others.
There's
a
need
to
follow
up
with
how
those
practices
actually
support
being
trauma-informed.
C
Yeah,
thank
you
and-
and
I
think
another
place
that
we
we
sometimes
miss
is
youth
recreation
outside
of
nonprofits.
You
know,
like
the
sports
league,
your
your
coaches,
I
gotta
tell
you.
I
have
some
dance
teachers
that
did
some
good
damage
to
me
and
so
how
we
start
to.
C
To
reach
all
those
other
individuals
that
have
a
coordinated
or
like
an
organized
impact
on
our
youth,
you
know
outside
of
the
schools
outside
of
you,
know,
city
programming,
but
really.
H
C
We
reach
into
the
broader
community
as
individuals
may
not
no.
C
I've
talked
about
this
for
hours,
but
we've
already
gone
about
an
hour.
My
last
question:
you
know
one
one
thing
that
we
frequently
talk
about
with
trauma
with
adverse
childhood
experiences
with
is
the
economic
piece
for
families
and
families
that
are
experiencing.
You
know
real
economic
challenges.
There
is
higher
levels
of
stress
at
home.
You
are
more
likely
to
see
violence
at
home.
I
did
see
some
pieces
in
there
of
you
know
different
careers
that
we
could
get
into
affordable
housing,
but
I
am
curious
about
the
coordination
between
city.
C
You
know
youth
and
family
services
and
economic
development
department
and
also
how
that
coordination-
I
probably
don't
know,
but
what
might
be
happening
at
the
county,
because
I
feel
like
that's
a
really
important
component
of
this
when
we
start
to
talk
about
the
environments
that
people
are
in
and
it's
both
the
environment
as
a
wider
community,
but
also
their
individualized
environments
and
and
how
we
are
supporting
there
and
really
looking
at
those
those
connections
there,
so
is
that
conversation
started
to
occur
yet
julie's
like
have
you
met
me.
D
With
rich
later
this
week
to
talk
just
about
that,
the
intersection
between
economics
and
trauma
and
poverty-
and
you
know
violence,
so
you
were
right.
C
There,
as
always,
thank
you
julie.
I
really
appreciate
it
well.
Thank
you
both
so
much.
I'm
sure
that
he'll
be
reaching
out
to
you
again,
but-
and
I
look
forward
to
bringing
this
back
to
quality
of
life
as
we
continue
to
have
this
conversation,
and
thank
you
both
so
much
for
your
work
and
for
the
presentation.
C
All
right,
moving
on
to
our
next
presentation,
we
have
sanctioned
camping
in
santa
fe
recommendations
and
solution.
C
Director
ochoa,
community
health
and
safety
is
here
julie,
sanchez,
anna
kale,
and
it
also
looks
like
hank
hughes,
commissioner,
but
not
wearing
his
commissioner
hat
is
also
here
to
support.
Take
it
away.
K
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
thank
you
for
recognizing
hank
hughes
who's
here,
also
to
answer
any
questions
that
may
arise
in
his
role
as
the
executive
director
of
the
new
mexico
coalition
to
end
homelessness.
Who's
been
a
great
partner
to
us
here
at
the
city,
so
this
presentation
is
a
follow-up
to
an
earlier
one.
We
gave
to
quality
of
life
in
the
interim.
K
We've
done
a
lot
of
work
on
honing
in
on
exactly
what
a
sanctioned
encampment
in
santa
fe
could
look
like,
and
so
we're
here
to
talk
to
you
about
that
tonight
and
I'll
turn.
Some
of
this
was
in
our
earlier
presentation
and
some
of
it's
a
recap,
and
some
of
it
is
new,
but
really
we
wanted
to
lay
out
the.
Why
of
this?
What's
the
problem
we're
trying
to
solve.
L
L
Those
reasons
can
be
really
varied
and
that's
part
of
the
challenge
right.
There's
not
one
solution
to
every
person.
We
have
people
who
don't
go
into
shelters
because
they
would
have
to
stop
using
drugs
or
alcohol.
They
would
have
to
follow
certain
rules.
There's
also
a
lot
of
folks
that
don't
go
into
shelter
for
the
very
opposite
reasons:
they
have
no
interest
in
being
anywhere
near
any.
You
know:
drugs,
alcohol
violence,
any
issues
that
might
be
happening
within
shelter
systems.
L
State
or
the
city
of
boise,
idaho
had
a
rule
on
the
books
that
prohibited
any
public
camping
and
that
rule
was
challenged
and
went
to
the
ninth
circuit
court,
where
they
ruled
that
it
was
unconstitutional.
It
was
actually
cruel
and
unusual
punishment
to
criminalize
camping
in
places
when
they
there
was
not
adequate
alternative.
K
As
you
all
know,
prior
to
the
pandemic
and
the
emergency
proclamation,
our
policy
was
that
no
camping
was
allowed
on
any
city
property
and
we
did
spend
about
3.4
million
dollars
a
year.
Cleaning
encampments,
director,
wheeler
and
and
her
staff
from
parks
are
here
and
can
also
attest
that
that
has
been
a
that
was
previously
a
huge
heavy
lift
around
cleaning
encampments.
Also
public
safety
responding.
K
It
took
a
lot
of
it
took
a
lot
of
our
resources
right
now,
however,
we
do
see
that
public
concern
for
unsheltered
people,
most
people
who
call
in
are
worried
about
the
people
out
there.
I'll
just
say
we
have
a
compassionate
community
but
they're
also
frustrated
and
given
the
hazards
associated
with
unsanctioned
camping
and
how
high,
for
example,
fire
hazard
is
we'll
talk
more
about
that
we're
really
seeing
kind
of
an
acute
situation.
K
Here
we
have
our
constituent
reports,
often
noting
that
people
are
seeing
trash
needles
and
are
concerned
about
the
impact
of
these
camps
on
neighboring
homes
and
businesses.
L
And
lastly,
for
this
slide,
our
current
policy,
which
is
in
place
for
cdc
recommendations
when
covid
began,
does
not
legalize
camping,
but
it
deprioritizes
the
enforcement
that
kind
of
puts.
F
D
K
It's
no
secret
that
fire
danger
at
this
time
is
extremely
high.
Our
fire
department
is
seeing
increase
in
brush
fires
in
the
city
and
that's
a
huge
concern
around
how
we
need
to
move
quickly
to
resolve
this
problem.
Anna
will
talk
to
you
about
what
other
cities
are
doing
around
this
issue.
L
L
We
also
talked
about
denver
colorado.
They
have
safe
outdoor
spaces
where
they're
sos
they
opened
at
that
of
june
last
year,
and
they
have
two
locations
that
are
in
parking
lots.
One
has
55
tents
that
are
surrounded
by
fencing.
The
other
site.
Excuse
me:
each
site
offers
electricity,
porta
potties
trash
cans,
case
management
services.
L
L
It
is
a
tent
camping
situation.
There
is
60
temps
as
well
as
fencing,
toilets
services,
they're
working
on
establishing
a
car
camping
site
that
will
be
separate
and
with
plans
that
that
site
will
later
be
developed
into
affordable
housing.
So,
as
we're
going
to
talk
about
later
in
this
presentation,
I
think
sacramento
is
also
really
seeing
that
there's
a
need
to
address
the
immediate
needs
and
plan
for
the
long
term,
hand
in
hand.
K
We
had,
as
you
know,
our
emergency
proclamation
coming
up
for
renewal
or
going
away
on
june
6th,
and
at
that
point
the
deprioritization
of
clearing
encampments
will
end
unless
we
codify
it
in
our
city
policy,
which
we're
looking
to
do.
We
really
don't
want
to
just
go
back
to
the
days
when
we're
spending
3.4
million
clearing
encampments
without
giving
people
an
alternative.
K
So
until
an
alternative
is
executed,
we
will
continue
to
de-prioritize
the
cleanup
of
encampments,
except
for
in
parks
within
30
feet
of
the
santa
fe
river
or
its
contributing
arroyos
or
when
posing
a
risk
to
public
health
and
safety,
particularly
regarding
fires.
The
fire
department
is
currently
sort
of
amping
up
its
monitoring
of
these
sites
and
whenever
there's
evidence
of
a
campfire
or
any
use
of
fire,
people
are
asked
to
stop
doing
that
and
then,
if
they
don't,
they
are
asked
to
leave
that
site.
That's
not
an
ideal
situation,
it
doesn't
it
doesn't.
K
You
know
prevent
the
kind
of
risk
that
we'd
like
to
prevent,
but
as
soon
as
we
can
get
an
alternative
up
and
running-
which
I
hope
is
very
soon,
no
camping
will
be
allowed
on
city
property
again,
because
we'll
have
an
alternative
to
offer
people.
We
are
not
under
the
illusion
that
everybody
will
take
advantage
of
it,
but
it's
a
it's.
A
better
place
to
be
than
just
reverting
to
the
past
is
what
we
feel.
K
K
K
K
She
did
a
lot
of
outreach
to
people
who
are
unsheltered
expressed
interest
in
participating
in
a
camp
situation
and
following
certain
rules
that
we'll
talk
about
in
a
bit,
we
did
present,
as
I
mentioned,
quality
of
life
in
march,
and
then
we
really
started
rolling
up
our
sleeves
and
coordinating
with
our
city
manager,
our
city
attorney's
office,
the
public
works
department,
sam
burnett
and
melissa
mcdonald
have
been
great
partners
in
this,
and
facilities
and
parks,
community
development,
rich
brown
and
economic
development,
alex
latin,
affordable
housing
and
jason
kluken,
land
use
and
other
internal
external
partners.
K
K
I
know
you've
been
waiting
in
anticipation,
but
I
will
say
that
we
developed
a
matrix
of
all
potential
sites
that
met
certain
criteria
and
we
honed
in
on
the
midtown
emergency
shelter
site.
As
the
best
choice
I
mean
amongst
those
sites
we
looked
at
parks
in
the
city.
We
looked
at
open
space
for
various
reasons,
including
the
issue
of
timeliness
and
the
ability
to
pull
this
off
without
much
more
delay.
L
So
consuelo's
place
is
operating
the
midtown
emergency
shelter,
which
is,
as
you
all
know,
was
the
shelter
that
was
set
up
by
the
city
as
a
response
to
covid
and
that
shelter
has
continued
to
operate.
It's
been
a
wonderful
resource
to
the
community,
has
really
changed
the
landscape
of
shelter
in
santa
fe
in
a
really
positive
way,
and
we
see
this
as
an
expansion
of
that
service.
L
If
we
were
to
co-locate
the
encampment
services
at
midtown,
where
the
shelter
already
is,
you
can
have
one
sort
of
staffing
model
that
essentially
is
operating
indoors
and
outdoors
there's
already
a
lot
of
the
infrastructure
in
place
to
support
that
they're
already
providing
non-traditional
non-congregate
shelter.
This
is
really
not
all
that
different.
It
just
happens
to
be
outside.
L
L
You'll
see
that
there
are
some
costs
on
here
that
we
don't
yet
have,
as
this
has
been
developing,
we're
gathering
that
information.
But
you
know
to
give
an
example
for
fencing.
You
can't
really
get
a
quote
on
fencing
without
knowing
the
area
where
you're
intending
to
put
it
and
the
size
and
shape
and
structure
that
you
need
it
for
so
we're
still
working
on
gathering
some
of
that
information.
L
K
K
You
know
when
we
looked
at
other
sites.
We
heard
you
all
loud
and
clear
when
you
talked
about
wrap
around
services
and
the
importance
of
making
sure
we
have
adequate
support
for
the
camp.
The
other
options
all
required
the
camp
to
be
free,
standing
with
no
co-location
of
a
service
provider,
and
there
wasn't
another
service
provider
in
town
that
was
willing
to
expand
on
property
or
had
the
capacity
to
do
that.
So
that
would
have
meant
a
freestanding
adequately.
Staffed
camp
would
have
meant
essentially
us
creating
city
positions
who
would
staff
that
24
7.?
K
K
So
again,
our
partners
on
this,
our
proposed
partners
are
consuelo's
place.
The
midtown
emergency
shelter,
the
new
mexico
coalition
to
end
homelessness
is
currently
the
fiscal
agent
for
that
project.
We
would
also
contract
with
the
lifelink,
who
could
do
some
additional
case
management
on
site,
and
you
know
when
you
talk
to
people
who
work
with
unsheltered
folks,
one
of
the
biggest
challenges
they
find
is
we
couldn't
find
our
person.
K
We
didn't
know
where
our
person
was
that
set
us
back
three
months
six
months
they
were
in
the
wind,
and
you
know
whether
it's
mijo
or
lifelink,
to
have
folks
in
one
location
is
going
to
be
really
essential
to
getting
them
connected
to
longer
term
services.
Southwest
cares
is
a
great
partner
in
terms
of
harm
reduction,
needle
exchange
programs,
hiv
testing
and
other
services.
K
Healthcare
for
the
homeless,
which
now
I
believe,
has
a
mobile
capacity
in
town,
can
also
be
a
partner
and
then,
finally,
the
coalition,
which
has
been
an
outstanding
partner
in
helping
people,
get
housed
long
term
in
terms
of
getting
vouchers,
and
that
I
shouldn't
that's,
not
an
exhaustive
list
if
there
are
other
partners
out
there
that
want
to
help
us
with
this.
We
welcome
that
conversation.
D
Thank
you,
director,
ochoa,
so
really,
our
next
steps
are
going
to
be
applying
for
a
permit
from
the
state
for
the
use
of
the
city,
property,
procurement
of
material
and
supplies,
including
tens
cops
and
other
supplies,
procurement
of
other
services.
So
you
know
things
like
porta,
potties
support
staff,
harm
reduction
services,
again
fencing
and
security
services
working
with
the
film
industry
and
how
to
impact
the
mitigation
on
that
toilets
and
hand
washing
units,
and
this
will
be
a
combination
of
both
contracted
services
and
the
use
of
the
city-owned
mobile
hygiene
unit.
D
There's
also
the
installation
of
security
cameras,
activating
camp
stewart
and
our
other
park
ranger
supports,
which
we
have
one
park,
ranger
on
board
and
we'll
be
we'll
be
doing
interviews
this
week
for
a
second
one:
activating
the
mobile
hygiene
unit,
figuring
out
potable
water
supplies,
protection
from
weather
and,
of
course,
ongoing.
Monitoring
from
the
city,
including
you
know,
myself
and
staff.
K
The
rules
for
the
site
are
simple,
but
not
always
simple
right,
but
this
is
where
people
who
come
to
be
there
sign
an
agreement.
You
know
look
at
yes,
I'm
willing
to
follow
these
rules
and
then
they're
admitted
and
then,
if
they
don't
follow
the
rules,
they
can't
stay
but
no
open
use
of
drugs
or
alcohol.
No
violence
of
any
kind,
physical
or
verbal.
K
We're
going
to
look
at
limiting
the
site
to
no
more
than
50
folks
and
see
how
that
goes.
No
children
under
18,
quiet
hours,
no
intoxicated
or
disruptive
behavior.
All
areas
kept
clean
and
tidy
residents
are
to
be
fully
clothed
at
any
time
if
they're
in
public
view
or
not
inside
their
tent.
So
pretty
simple
basic
rules
that
you
know
would
be
required
for
people
on
the
site.
K
So
you
know
again,
this
is
a.
This
is
a
solution
that
kind
of
breaks
your
heart,
because
it's
not
a
solution.
I'll
just
say
that
you
know
to
to
to
have
people
that
really
we
hope
and
wish
could
be
housed
living
in
tents
in
a
sanctioned
city.
Encampment
doesn't
make
me
jump
for
joy.
I
don't
think
it
makes
anybody
jump
for
joy,
but
it
is
a
way
that
we
need
to
fit
into
plans
to
end
homelessness
that
we're
already
working
on
because
of
the
issues
with
people
who
are
unsheltered,
maybe
not
trusting
connection
to
services.
K
We
need
to
build
on-ramps
for
them
to
create
those
relationships
with
folks
that
can
connect
them
to
what
they
need
and
build
trust.
Really.
I'm
looking
at
elizabeth
here
who's
a
navigator
for
veterans,
and
she
knows
all
about
building
trust
gradually
with
people
who
have
lost
faith
in
the
system's
ability
to
get
them
what
they
need.
It
can
be
done
with
people
like
elizabeth
and
we
have
a
lot
of
them
in
santa
fe
who
do
that
incredible
work.
So
that's
what
this
is
is
you're
safe.
Here
you
can
be
here.
K
You
don't
need
to
change
who
you
are
to
be
here.
We
just
want
to
find
out
about
you
and
what
you
need
to
get
housed
and
that's
not
probably
something
we'd
say
in
the
first
sentence
to
get
housed,
because
some
people.
K
And
we
have
to
really
work
with
that
and
figure
that
out,
so
how
does
it
lead
to
more
people
ending
homelessness?
You
know
it's
again
those
pathways
to
housing
where
people
can
come
in
and
have
no
wrong
door.
Maybe
some
people
are
very
comfortable
going
to
pete's,
which
is
great
and
pete's
can
help
them
get
connected
to
housing.
K
K
If
we
have
150
people
estimated
out
there
and
we're
you
know,
budgeting
for
50
we'll
see
what
happens,
but
I
think
we
really
need
to
understand
that
supporting
alternative
shelter
needs
based
around
the
people
themselves
and
what
they
say
they
need
is
one
piece
of
a
larger
puzzle,
so
we
need
to
create
multiple
pipelines
from
homelessness
to
housing
and
one
of
those
you
know
examples
were
the
santa
fe
suites.
Some
people
came
directly
from
pete's
place
into
santa
fe
suites.
That
was
wonderful.
K
D
L
So
julie
just
spoke
a
little
bit
more
about
how
you
know
how
we
know
that
this
is
a
sec
is
a
successful
project
for
the
city,
but
as
far
as
how
that's
a
successful
project
when
it
comes
to
our
larger
goals
of
addressing
and
ending
homelessness
in
santa
fe.
This
really
plays
a
really
large
role
in
that
connecting
people
to
services
without
requiring
that
they
walk
through
the
doors
of
shelter
or
of
the
lifelink
or.
K
L
This
is
also
a
important
alternative
to
clearing
encampments.
I
spoke
earlier
about
martin
b
boise,
that
court
case
many
cities
around
the
country
are
adjusting
their
policies
and
practices
on
how
they're
responding
to
unsheltered
homelessness
to
be
in
alignment
with
that
case,
this
also
would
show
that
the
city
is
really
engaged
and
responsive
to
concerns
of
unsheltered
people
of
housed
people
of
outreach
workers
of
people
who
are
trying
to
get
their
folks
into
housing,
and
ultimately,
this
is
really
operating
within
the
framework
of
built
for
xero,
which
the
city
has
committed
to.
K
So
I
just
we
do
want
to
give
you
a
vision
of.
What's
after
this,
you
know,
a
best
practice
could
be.
It
is
has
been
found
to
be
co-locating
different
kinds
of
services,
on
one
campus
or
under
one
roof
to
support
collaborative
efforts
that
address
homelessness
and
reduce
barriers
to
those
in
need.
This
doesn't
mean
we
need
one
sort
of
one
agency
doing
it
all
on
one
campus
and
parts
of
it
may
be
appropriate
to
be
on
the
campus
and
parts
of
it
may
not.
K
We
are
actively
engaged
with
our
partners
in
envisioning
the
solution.
Looking
at
other
models,
brownsville
brooklyn,
is
one
where
you
know.
We
really
have
day
services
where
people
can
be
getting
connected
to
things
during
the
day,
and
then
you
know
there
may
be
an
encampment
on
that
site.
There
may
not,
depending
on
what
we
find
from
the
pilot
project.
That
is
essentially
this
encampment
san
antonio
texas
haven
for
hope
is
another
model,
but
you
know,
ultimately
our
community
is
going
to
have
to
decide
what's
right
for
us.
K
K
Like
in
santa
fe,
it's
going
to
be
a
santa
fe
model,
ultimately,
but
the
key
is
to
have
our
funders
aligned
in
how
we
build
this
out
and
also
to
really
just
engage
with
the
community.
We
are
proposing
a
sanctioned
encampment
that
doesn't
really
require
community
engagement.
At
this
point,
it's
on
a
city-owned
property.
K
You
know
we
think
I'm
sure
people
will
be
in
touch
with
everyone
and
you'll
hear
from
everyone,
as
will
I,
which
is
great,
but
in
terms
of
launching
this,
it's
again
something
that
we
see
going
for
a
year
and
a
bit
and
in
the
meantime
we
do
need
to
create
a
process
that
is
deeply
community
engaged
around
where
this
off-ramp
is
going
to
be
where
in
our
city,
is
it
going
to
be
who's
it
going
to
impact
what
it
you
know,
we'll
do
extensive
processes
of
listening
to
people
around
their
concerns,
making
sure
we're
choosing
the
right
site
making
sure
we
have
all
the
funding
in
place
to
make
it
excellent,
not
underfunded.
K
K
This
facility
might
include
a
sanctioned
encampment,
an
emergency
shelter,
maybe
congregate,
maybe
dormitory
style,
maybe
both
day
services,
potentially
looking
at
harm
reduction
programs.
We're
looking
at
some
programs
up
in
canada
that
have
been
going
for
30
years
that
are
to
help
alcoholics
not
die
from
their
alcohol
consumption,
but
used
safely,
for
example,
transitional
wet
housing.
We
could
have
permanent
supportive
housing
for
some
of
the
hardest
to
house
people
on
this
site
as
well.
K
Potentially
so
again,
we
would
not
be
able
to
plop
this
in
any
part
of
our
city
without
deep
community
engagement
and
extensive
outreach.
So
that
is
the
intention
with
that.
We
will
tell
you
a
little
more
about
where
we
are
with
that.
If
we
go
that
route,
this
is
kind
of
our
next
steps,
some
of
the
criteria
for
the
site-
and
you
know
what
we're
looking
at
finally
we're
here
to
stand
for
your
questions,
I'm
sure
you
don't
have
any
at
all,
I'm
just
kidding.
K
B
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
I
just
have,
I
guess,
comments
and
maybe
some
questions
too.
I
think
I
heard
you
mention
that.
L
K
B
Then
so
of
those
people
that
you
know
they
have
to
find
their
tent
or
their
car
or
just
anywhere,
I
guess,
to
stay.
B
Yeah,
I
I
think
the
the
community
very
much
so
is
is
very
adamant
of
seeing
just
people
out
in
the
streets
everywhere,
and
I
guess,
with
the
with
the
emergency.
L
K
We
would
anticipate
our
policy
until
we
have
the
solution
to
kind
of
continue
to
be
that
with
maybe
ramping
up
enforcement
on
fire.
A
little
more.
I
think
I
was
talking
to
director
wheeler
the
other
day,
and
I
think
I
don't
misquote.
You
said:
you're
saving
in
public
works
about
a
million
dollars
annually
in
not
clearing
as
much
as
we
did
pre-pandemic.
Is
that
accurate
so
that
you
know
there's
some
there's
sorry,
I'm
putting
me
on
the
spot,
but
so
there's
a
there's
a
cost
to
the
cleanup
as
well.
I
understand.
B
I
I
guess
where
I'm
headed
with
this
is
just
you
know.
The
biggest
word
that
I'm
searching
for
is
compassion
for
people
and
and
I
get
it
I
mean-
I
see
a
time
and
time
again
where
people
just
you
know,
especially
in
the
winter
time,
they're
really
looking
for
places
want
to
stay,
and
I
think
our
community.
B
Nobody
wants
to
have
another
encampment
in
their
backyard,
and
so
you
know
going
back.
You
know,
I
think
it's
just
very
important
for
us,
as
a
community
to
to
support.
B
But
you
know
mental
health.
We've
we've
heard
it
over
and
over
again,
so
you
know
I
I
I
commend
you
all
for
working
on
this,
and
I
think
it
is
something
that
our
community
is
is
is
really
really
reaching
out
to
us
time
and
time
again
in
regards
to
what
are
we
doing
about
this
and
again
another
program
that
I
feel,
how
quickly
can
we
get
things
moving
and
and
and
not
only
that,
but.
B
And
we
get
to
that
to
that
time,
where
you
know
we
have
minimal
people
out
there
struggling
you
know
getting
them
the
the
resources
they
need
to
get
into
jobs,
get
into
a
house
that
they
can
sustainably
pay
for
the
for
the
long
term
and-
and
so
I
mean
I
just
thank
you
for
the
presentation,
and
I
look
forward
to
seeing
this
continue
and
you
know
again
compassion.
B
A
Thank
you
counselor,
dr
travis.
Thank
you
directors
for
that
presentation
and
I
know
director
ochoa.
You
said
that
this
is
not
a
solution
and
I
agree,
like
none
of
us
think
it's
a
solution,
but
I
think
it's
a
step
closer
because
we're
taking
individuals
in
need
and
trying
to
isolate
things
to
one
location,
and
I
think
that's
going
to
really
test.
A
Do
we
have
adequate
services
amongst
the
city,
but
also
our
community
partners
and
really
testing
like
who's
gonna
come
in
like
who
do
what
force
do
we
have
behind
us
in
addressing
this
issue?
So
I
just
wanted
to
you
know
thank
you
for
the
work,
but
also
shine
light
on
that
fact
that
this
isn't
the
immediate
larger
solution
we
want,
but
I
do
think
that
the
work
that
you
guys
have
done
is
so
meaningful,
because
I
think
it's
a
huge
step
in
getting
there.
A
I
think
we
want
to
see
you
know,
do
making
sure
we
have
the
resources
making
sure
we
have
the
staffing
to
get
people
back
on
their
feet,
and
your
plan
really
shows
that
I
think
it's
at
the
heart
of
the
whole
thing.
It
might
not
address
everybody
at
once,
but
I
really
think
it's
a
step
forward.
So
I
just
wanted
to
thank
you
all
for
that
work.
J
K
Counselor
garcia
great
question:
I
think
we
have
to
do
further
consultation
with
legal
on
that.
What
I
will
say
is
you
know
to
have
narcan
readily
available
to
have
staff
on
site.
You
know,
there's
not
a
shelter.
K
Well,
there
is
a
shelter
in
town,
but
many
shelters,
experience,
onsite
overdoses,
you
know
and
other
difficulties
around
drug
use,
even
when
they're
prohibiting
the
presence
of
drug
use
and
having
those
folks
on
site
is,
you
know
really
helpful,
but
in
terms
of
the
liability
issue,
I'm
sure
it'll
come
up,
I'm
sure
it'll
come
up
when
we
go
into
our
expansion
of
services
and
for
the
for
the
provider,
and
we
may
need
to
alter
that
if
we
need
to
we
need
to.
K
But
I
guess
the
the
point
is
that
people
don't
have
to
be
sober
to
be
in
this
space
and
as
much
as
possible
if
they
can
adhere
to
those
behaviors
that
we
outlined.
K
That's
our
focus,
you
know
to
become
part
of
a
community
in
that
way
to
have
respect
for
the
people
around
you
in
that
community
and
be
able
to
function
that
way.
That
is
our
main
concern
and
should
be
the
staff's
main
concern,
but
duly
noted.
J
And
understandable
I
mean
I'm
just
bringing
the
word
of
the
public,
and
that
way
we
can
figure
this
all
out
together,
because
that's
what
we're
doing
we're
trying
to
figure
this
out
together
as
we're
going.
J
J
M
Garcia,
I
think
I
think
we
have
a
great
example
in
las
cruces
and
the
community
of
hope's
camp
hope
down
there,
and
I
think
the
first
thing
we'd
want
to
do
is
send
any
staff
members
we
hire
down
there
to
learn
how
they
do
it,
because
it's
very
well
organized
it's
about
the
same
size.
Well,
you
know
it's
about
same
size,
city,
it's
about
the
same
size,
encampment,
of
course,
more
people
sleep
outside
in
las
cruces
than
here,
because
their
winters
are
so
mild
compared
to
ours.
But
I
don't.
F
M
The
staff
at
consuelos
is
actually
enthusiastic
about
this
because
they
see
the
need
they
have
a
long
waiting
list
for
people
who
want
to
get
into
the
indoor
shelter
and
I
think
they
would
love
to
serve
more
people
so
yeah.
The
only
thing
I
didn't
hear
mentioned
is,
I
think
we
should
send
everybody
to
las
cruces
to
learn
how
they
do
it,
because
it's
it
actually
cleaned
up
the
neighborhood
around
the
community
of
hope,
because
people
used
to
camp
all
over
the
place
there
and
now
they
camp
in
one
spot.
J
Okay,
thank
you
hank.
I
appreciate
that
and
then
with
that.
No
other
comments.
Thank
you
director,
ochoa.
Thank
you,
miss
miss
sanchez
and
miss
kale.
I
think
this
as
we're
moving
forward.
It's
going
to
be
a
you
know,
a
situation
where,
as
director
choice
said,
lots
of
opinions
are
going
to
continue
to
come
out.
C
Thank
you,
counselor
couple
and
vitoria
will
be
right
back,
so
I
will
go
ahead
with
my
questions
for
the
moment,
so
I'm
I'm
trying
to
figure
out
I'm
doing
some
math.
We
have
101
shelter
beds
in
use
right
now
and
there
are
and
150
on
the
streets
that
we
believe
or
in
other
unsheltered
locations.
So.
L
Yeah,
madam
chair,
that
hundred
and
fifty
is
an
effort
made
by
our
reworkers
correct.
C
K
Madam
chair,
there
is
capacity
in
in
the
shelters,
and
so
they
could.
We
would
be
meeting
the
the
standard
of
having
an
alternative
for
people
now
whether
people
want
that
alternative
or
not.
You
know
they
may
not,
but
that's
correct.
We'd
still
have
capacity
community-wide
to
shelter.
Everyone.
C
Okay
and
thank
you
for
knowing
precisely
where
I
was
going
with
that
question
of
the
ability
to
really
tell
individuals
that
they
are
not
allowed
to
camp,
because
there
is
an
alternate
provided.
So.
C
What
happens
then?
So
what
happens
if
they
refuse
to
take
one
of
those
options
and.
K
So
so
we
revert
to
what
we
did
before,
which
was
you
know
letting
people
know
that
they
couldn't
be
camping
there.
We
were,
we
had
a
compassionate
response
at
that
time
and
we
continue
to
do
when
we
need
to
ask
people
to
move
they're.
Given
notification,
there's
follow-up.
If
they
don't
move,
you
know,
they're,
it's
enforced,
sometimes
and
actually
melissa.
Mcdonald
could
talk
about
this
process.
Chief
joy
could
talk
about
it.
K
Various
parts
of
our
city
get
involved
in
making
sure
the
camp
is
cleared
and
cleared
up
afterwards,
and
so
there
will
still
be
an
element
of
you
know:
kicking
the
can
down
the
road
for
lack
of
better
analogy.
You
know
in
terms
of
camps
that
don't
get
resolved,
but
I
think
we
can
be
in
a
better,
more
defensible
position.
C
No,
I
would
agree-
and
I
also
think,
as
you've
mentioned,
the
hope
is
that
we
do
start
to
create
more
of
a
pipeline
and
that
individuals
we
know
where
they
are
so
connecting
them
to
those
services,
building
that
trust
that
ability
to
really
move
them
forward
and
to
independent
housing
or
at
least
stable
housing.
I
mean,
I
think,
that
I've
said
this
multiple
times,
but
there
there
is
this.
C
I
always
I
would
hate
saying
this,
but
there
is
this
reality
that
there
are
individuals
that
are
are
not
going
to
potentially
live
independently
without
any
supportive
services,
and
so
really
how
we
think
about
that.
Long
term
is
important
when
we're
looking
at
that
that
overall
strategy
and
how
we
continue
to
address
this.
C
So
I
do
have
a
question
about
the
timeline.
I
you
know
I
I
did
get
to
look
at
the
matrix
of
all
the
sites
and
I
think
that
that
you
are
correct.
That
midtown
with
consuelo's
place
is
what
makes
the
most
sense,
but
we
can
stand
up
the
fastest
and,
of
course
there
is
concern
about
how
we're
moving
forward
with
midtown
and
there's
there's
been.
You
know,
comments
from
the
the
public
of
you.
Guys
are
just
going
to
turn
it
into
a
giant
homeless,
shelter.
C
And
I
know
that
this
is
temporary
and
so
starting
to
look
I
mean
that's,
it's
a
pretty
heavy
lift
to
get
us
from
where
we
are
now
to
something
like
the
camp
hope
model,
or
I
think
I've
mentioned
to
you
multiple
times.
Father
joe's
village
in
san
diego
has
a
very
good
model,
but
you
know
how
how
we're
getting
there
in
a
year
and
a
half
or
a
year
and
change
is
kind
of
the
timeline.
I
won't
say
a
half.
Let's
do
change.
C
This
is
not
computing
in
my
head,
so
can
you
please
talk
a
little
bit,
I
mean
that's
an
aggressive
timeline
and
it's,
I
know
that
you
know
part
of
it
is
just
not
just
will
but
infrastructure
and
money
and
how
we
we
really
create
these
things.
So
I'm
I'd
like
to
hear
a
bit
a
bit
more
about
this
off-ramp
piece
and
what
this
really
starts
to
look
like.
K
Madam
chair,
one
thing
is
that
we
have
a
one-year
contract
for
services
with
consuelo's
place,
so
we
that
is
time
bound,
and
this
would
be
an
expansion
of
those
services,
so
we
would
always
need
if
we
were
going
to
expand
the
timeline
to
and
if
we
wanted
to
continue
to
fund
consuelos.
We
need
to
revisit
that
after
or
before
one
year
was
up
in
terms
of
all
of
the
other
other
developments
at
midtown.
K
You
know,
that's
not
my
expertise,
although
I
am
in
communication
with
rich
brown
and
his
team,
the
off-ramp
is,
it
is
an
aggressive
timeline
and
I
think
it's
important
to
set
to
have
that
kind
of
fire
under
you
to
say
we
need
to
come
up
with
a
solution.
This
is
we
don't
want
to
go
back
to
the
bad
old
days
right,
so
maybe
what
we
we
aren't
able
to
locate
a
site,
build
it
out
in
one
and
a
half
years
or
one
year,
but
at
least
we
will
know
we
have
a
timeline.
K
K
If
we
have
to
have
another
interim
solution
between
that,
at
least
we'll
be
that
much
closer
to
the
goal,
we've
done
so
much
as
a
community
around
housing,
we
can
despair,
it's
very
real
to
despair
around
the
situation,
but
we've
done
so
much
in
the
last
three
years.
In
my
opinion,
we've
you
know:
we've
formed
partnerships
that
have
never
been
formed
before
we've
committed
to
collecting
data
that
will
inform
how
many
units
we
actually
need
where
the
gaps
in
our
services
are.
We've
we've
housed.
K
C
And
I
do
think
that
the
partnerships
piece
is
going
to
be
key.
I
don't
I
you
know.
I
know
you've
mentioned
just
mention
and
quorum
or
did
my
head
mansion?
Okay,
I
thought
yeah
and
I
don't
know
about
some
of
the
other
foundations,
especially
as
we
start
to
look
at
how
we
pull
in
other
funding.
C
And
then
hank
you're,
not
here
as
a
commissioner,
but
you
know
what
that
partnership
starts
to
look
like
with
the
county
and
really
where
those
impacts
are
and
where
those
opportunities
are.
I
think
is
going
to
be
really
important.
C
I
think
you
know
you're
very
correct
that
this
is
a
solution
that
doesn't
feel
like
a
solution,
but
I
I
also
believe
that
it
is
a
step
in
the
right
direction,
and
I
know
that
this
is
a
really
challenging
issue.
That's
going
to
need
to
be
continually
revisited
and
revamped
and
hopefully,
as
we
start
to
to
move
through
a
pipeline,
it
will
be.
C
I
really
hope
that
we
can
see
some
of
some
of
those
improvements.
Thank
you
for
putting
out
those
benchmarks.
I
think
that
those
will
be
really
important
for
how
we
measure
our
success
and
that
car
camping
piece
is
also
really
interesting.
I
don't
know
if
we've
started
to
explore
that
a
little
bit
more
as
that's
come
through,
so
I
will
go
ahead
and
yield
the
floor
over
to
councilwoman
vitorial
and,
thank
you
all
so
much.
Thank.
E
You
thank
you,
madam
chair.
Thank
you,
ladies
for
your
report
and
solutions
and
I'll
be
quick,
because
I
know
folks
are
getting
hungry
and
ready
to
have
dinner.
So
I
just
want
to
ask
you
about:
have
you
thought
about
work
opportunities
for
the
folks
that
are
in
the
sanctioned
site
and
the
reason
why
I
bring
that
up
is
a
few
years
ago
before
all
of
your
times,
I
think
all
of
you
before
you
actually
started
working
at
the
city.
We
tried
a
better
way
than
you.
Were
there
sorry
julie,
sorry,
you
were
there.
E
We
tried
the
better
way
van
that
was
modeled
after
the
albuquerque
program
that
was
very
successful
there.
We
piloted
it
it
kind
of
had
it
splits
and
starts,
but
you
know
ultimately
I
don't
know
how
that
could
be
incorporated
in
to
be
able
to
utilize
folks
that
do
want
to
work
that
we
may
have
worked
for
them,
and
maybe
you
could
just
tell
us
what
you're
thinking.
L
L
L
Process
that
is
a
critical
part
of
the
case
management
piece
of
that,
but
it's
it's
not
necessarily
something
I
think
we've
built
in
in
a
big
way.
E
Okay,
I
guess
I'm
just
wondering
if
we
would
be
able
to
try
it
out,
since
we
have
not
just
partners,
but
we've
kind
of
tried
it
before,
and
I
don't
know
if
julie
has
anything
to
share
about
it
since
she
experienced
it
and
what
didn't
work
why
it
stopped
actually
don't
even
know
why
it
stopped.
But
I
know
we
were
piloting
it,
but.
D
What
happened
was
there
was
high
tone,
high
turnover
of
the
main
case
manager
driver
and
so
not
having
a
consistent
person
being
able
to
run
the
program
really
was
at
a
detriment
to
the
clients
it
was
serving
and
so
right
when
things
were
starting
to
get
back
on
track,
just
happened
to
be
december
of
2019
once
the
pandemic
hit
and
all
you
know,
services
ceased.
D
Unfortunately,
the
program
ended
up
folding,
interesting
enough,
bringing
up
the
better
way
van
part
of
one
of
the
first
projects
that
better
way
did
was
actually
cleaning
midtown,
and
so
there
may
be
an
opportunity
for
us
once
we
get
this
launch
to
bring
in
those
partners
and
start
redeveloping.
Maybe
some
of
these
workforce
opportunities.
E
I
think
there's
an
opportunity
there,
that's
you
know
easy
accessible
and
that
we
could
possibly
manage,
but
I'll
leave
that
up
to
you
all
to
figure
out
the
details
and
then
the
other
last
question
is
just
once
this
gets
into
place,
which
I
still
wasn't
clear
about
the
time
frame.
We're
doing
this
as
soon
as
possible
is
kind
of
what
I
heard
like
the
summer
adam
chair.
K
Yes,
our
next
step
is
the
permit
from
the
state.
We
don't
know
what
that,
how
long
that
will
take
we're
working
with
procurement
now
on
whether
this
can
be
emergency
procurement,
sole
source
etc.
So
we
think
one
to
three
months.
Ideally,
but
I
know
you'll
quote
me
on
that,
but
I'll
be
I
might
be
wrong,
but
that's
what
we
hope.
Okay.
E
C
Thank
you
and
thank
you
so
much
everybody
for
your
presentation,
really
appreciate
you
being
here
and
sure.
We'll
see
you
more
to
talk
more
about
this
soon.
C
Moving
on
to
the
first
item
pulled
from
consent,
it
was
item
d
pulled
by
councilwoman
vitorial.
This
is
a
request
for
approval
of
the
collective
bargaining
agreement
between
the
city
of
santa
fe
and
the
santa
fe
police
officers,
association
for
fy23
and
the
amount
of
2
million
200
251
thousand
dollars,
2.25
million
dollars
approximately
for
sworn
in
civilian
bargaining
unit
employees.
We
have
ben
valdez
deputy
chief
of
police
here
to
present
eugene
good
evening
councilman.
E
Vitoria
thank
you
for
your
patience,
dc
valdez
and
the
rest
of
the
staff.
I
I
will
try
to
be
quick.
These
are
just
questions
that
I
had
that
weren't
pertinent
to
finance
and
financial
implications,
and
we
did
cover
a
little
bit
about
the
lateral
hires
and
I
was
just
wondering
if
you
could
confirm,
because
the
language
it
was
taken
out
was
testing
after
sorry
that
they'd
be
eligible
to
test
for
a
sergeant
after
seven
consecutive
years,
and
then
so
you
changed
that
to
two.
E
G
Madam
chair
councilman,
so
with
the
change
to
the
lateral's
eligibility
to
test
for
sergeant,
we
had
seven
years
with
the
agency
total
what
we
did
see
during
the
interim
from
last
time.
We
changed
until
now,
which
has
been
about
a
year
or
two
if
we're
losing
a
lot
of
opportunities
with
people
that
were
serving
as
sergeants
and
lieutenants
with
other
agencies
before
they
joined
our
department.
G
E
Then
there
was
language,
I
didn't
understand
the.
What
is
it
the
field,
training
officers
and
what
changed
there
was
new
language
about
eight
eligible
positions
and
and
then
what
was
taken
out
was
auxiliary,
ftos,
like
police
officers,
police
detectives,
animal
service
officers
and-
and
it
lists
those
folks
that
that
language
was
taken
out.
Can
you
explain
why
you
swapped
what
that
what
was
taken
out
and
then
the
new
language?
E
G
Ma'am,
so
with
that
there's
a
huge
inequity
there.
What
we
have
is
a
test
position
for
field
training
officer
which
we
have
eight
allocated
positions
for
individuals
that
would
receive
that
incentive
pay
monthly
for
serving
in
that
position
full-time
now,
if
someone
were
to
have
a
training
with
them
for
one
day,
that
would
make
them
eligible
for
the
same
amount
of
incentive
paid
that
that
person
would
get
for
one
month,
so
the
incentive
pay
for
that
is,
I
believe,
125.
G
there
are
full-time
ftos.
They
are
the
ones
we
go
to.
When
we
get
a
new
hire
and
we
say
hey,
look,
we
have
a
new
hire
they'll,
be
with
you
for
four
to
six
weeks
and
they
will
have
them
with
them
for
that
time,
so
they're
usually
training
people
anywhere
from
anywhere
from
six
to
eight
months
out
of
the
year,
having
someone
with
them
and
it's
a
big
responsibility
for
them.
It's
a
huge.
G
Dedication
on
their
point,
because
they
have
to
be
at
work
for
those
times,
they
have
to
make
sure
that
they
are
present
to
provide
that
training.
If,
for
some
reason,
they're
not
they
have
to
make
those
arrangements
to
make
sure
that
another
fgo
is
available.
But
if
someone
were
to
be.
G
Fto
and
do
one
day
of
training,
they
would
also
get
that
125,
which
was
a
huge
inequity
for
one.
The
second
issue
with
that
as
well
is
in
other
sections
and
even
in
the
city,
somehow
along
the
lines
through
the
collective
bargaining
process,
and
they
allowed
to
have
auxiliary
field
training
officers
for
animal
services
for
public
safety,
aids
for
other
positions
in
the
department.
G
But
the
field
training
program
was
based
off
the
san
jose
police
department
field
training
program,
which
is
to
train
police
officers,
not
your
public
safety
aides,
not
your
animal
services
officers
so
with
that
incentive
really
to
make
much
sense.
So
when
we
onboard
new
staff
anywhere
else
in
the
city,
we
do
on-the-job
training,
we
do
mentorship,
we
put
them
with
an
experienced
staff
member
to
show
them
how
to
do
the
process.
We
don't
have
a
field
training
process
for
an
hr
analyst
when
they
join
hr.
G
We
don't
have
a
field
training
process
for
a
new
administrative
assistant
with
the
sample
police
department,
they're
just
trained
by
staff
that
have
been
tenured
with
the
agency
that
are
interested
to
train
them.
So
we
wanted
to
remove
that
inequity,
because
for
us
we
put
a
huge
demand
on
our
field
training
officers.
They
are
gatekeepers.
They
ensure
that
the
staff
that
we
are
bringing
on
board
they're
meeting
the
values
of
our
department,
they're
meeting
the
training
requirements
that
we
have
and
they're
going
to
be
good
service
for
our
community.
G
So
that's
a
huge
task
to
take
on
something
else.
We
did
back
in
about
two
years
ago
with
our
job
description
for
senior
police
officer.
We
included
in
the
job
section
that
they
are
also
responsible
for
training
officers,
but
they're,
not
the
ones
that
are
going
to
be
assigned
on
a
full-time
basis.
So
if
we
do
get
into
a
situation
where
all
eight
of
our
field
training
officers
are
assigned
to
cadets
and
we
get
a
lateral
officer,
we
still
have
the
means
to
train
that
lateral
officer
in
the
time.
E
E
G
Just
the
clarification
with
our
policy
with
the
department
we
have
officer
conference
and
verbal
counseling
now
for
other
student
employees,
it
would
be
a
oral
coaching
or
oral
counseling
that
would
be
reduced
to
writing.
So
there
was
a
little
bit
of
variance
with
that
interpretation
that
we
just
want
to
make
it
clear.
So
the
current
practices
we've
been
utilizing
with
addressing
minor
infractions
or
issues
they're,
using
both
of
the
terms
interchangeably
officer
conference
and
verbal
counseling.
So
we.
G
Was
in
line
with
our
current
policy
that
we've
had
and
that
policy
has
been
in
place
for
some
time,
I
think
went
back
to
2003,
where
I
had
that
verbiage
in
it,
but
somehow
in
the
cpa,
it
was
used
interchangeably.
So
that's
just
a
clarifying
point
for
that,
but
that's
to
address
low-level
infractions
like
if
an
employee
is
tardy
or
if
they
you
know
had
a
minor
issue
come
up
like
hey
your
reports.
They
have
a
lot
of
errors
on
this.
Here's.
What
you
need
to
correct
it
happens
again.
G
E
You
and
I
guess
the
other
question
I
was
wondering
because
it
says
it
doesn't
get
kept
in
the
person's
file
or
their
employee
file,
because
it's
just
I
don't
know
how
how
you
referenced
it,
but
because
it
was
minor
it
had
to
do
with,
like
maybe
tardiness
or
other
aspects,
but
what,
if
the
supervisor
changes
and
they're,
not
they
weren't
sure
or
didn't
know
about
all
these
other.
You
know
that
they
were
tardy,
that
they
didn't
show
up
to
court
dates
and
and
whatnot.
E
G
Usually,
what
they
do
is
the
supervisor
will
have
that
item
on
file.
So
if
the
behavior
is
corrected
and
if
a
period
of
time
passes
where
it's
not
an
issue,
then
that
issues
address
and
it's
no
longer
present
now,
if
that
behavior
does
continue,
that
it
can
be
utilized
for
progressive
discipline
where
they
can
go
for
that
officer
conference
to
a
letter
of
counseling
at
that
point
and
that's
something
that
will
go
in
their
file
now
when
there
is
a
transition
where
we
have
a
change
of
shift
or
change
of
supervisor.
G
We
had
that
that
passed
on
from
the
previous
supervisors,
the
new
one
saying
hey,
tell
me
about
my
staff
or
anyone
facing
any
type
of
issues.
Is
there
anything
that
is
in
their
officer
conference
that
they
had
any
issues
with
performance
and
they
do
a
very
good
briefing
to
let
them
know
so
they
are
brought
and
apprised
of
that
information.
G
What
they'll
usually
do
is
get
the
information
and
then
they'll
hand
over
that
new
supervisor,
but
depending
on
their
assignment,
if
it
changes,
if
they
get
promoted
to
the
detective,
then
that
supervisor
will
convey
that
to
the
next
supervisors
that
are
aware
of
that
behavior
and
if
they
do
so
there's
issues
that
continue.
Then
it
can
be
brought
into
the
realm
of
progressive
discipline
at
that
first
level
for
a
letter
of
counseling.
If
it
is
that
minor,
infraction.
E
G
G
You
know
very
systematically,
that's
not
something
that
they
would
say.
Well,
here's
this,
because
if
they're.
G
Good
supervisors
be
frank:
if
you're
not
looking
at
what
those
issues
are
as
minor
as
they
are
and
with
us.
We
are
very
nitpicky
about
things
like
if
you're
then
we're
gonna
address
it.
If
there's
minor
issues
like
we
have
to
make
sure
that's
done,
if
there's
a
slight
infraction
in
other
departments,
it
may
be
okay
with
us,
it
could
turn
sometimes
performance
down
the
road
or
it
can
be
an
indicator
of
other
behavior
that
we
need
to
be
aware
of.
G
So
it's
very
important
for
them
to
have
those
conversations
to
make
sure
when
they're
changing
supervisors
or
if
there's
a
shift,
change
that
they
talk
to
those
supervisors,
say
all
right
and
they
go
one
by
one
to
talk
about
officer
smith,
talking
about
officer
valdez
and
they
look
through
all
those
things.
They
usually
have
a
pass
on
folder
with
an
information
that
they
give
each
other
so
they're
aware
of
that
information.
G
If
there's
a
change
as
well,
what
they'll
do
is
and
again
our
startups
are
really
good,
usually
weekly.
They
have
a
meeting
among
staff
with
each
other
to
let
them
know,
hey
here's
what's
going
on
so
within
that
shift,
they
also
know
kind
of
what's
going
on
with
the
staff
as
well.
So
if
one
of
the
sergeants
is
out
and
they
have
to
cover
for
that
shift,
they're
aware
of
what's
going
on
with
that
employee
as
well.
G
So
it's
really
important
for
us
to
do
that,
because
again,
we're
very
invested
in
the
wellness
of
our
staff
and
if
there's
things
that
we
can
do
to
improve
that
performance
or
to
address
things
on
the
front
end
that
again
allows
them
to
correct
the
behavior,
and
then
they
can
have
a
lasting
time
with
us
rather
than
it
goes
unaddressed.
And
then
it
starts
to
snowball
and
now
we're
looking
at
something
where
it's
a
more
serious
infraction.
E
Thank
you.
I
had
other
questions
about
like
how
the
more
serious
infractions,
how
that,
where
that
goes,
but
that's
not
part
of
your
change
for
the
for
this
particular
item.
So
I
won't
ask
you
today,
but
maybe
another
day,
and
I
just
wanted
to
let
my
colleagues
know
about
that-
something
that
dc
valdez
had
brought
up
at
finance.
E
It
was
disappointing.
I
I
kind
of
knew
that
it
might
be
a
problem,
but
you
know
those
of
us
that
were
wanting
to
see
a
more
equitable
increase
for
staff
for
the
folks.
That
especially
asked
me
was
wanting
to
request
more
instead
of
the
eight
percent.
What
we
realized
from
what
d.c
valdez
said
is
that
after
employees
and
non-union
employees
who
work
at
the
police
department
are
not
going
to
get
a
16
increase
so
to
me,
that's
inequitable
for
them
and
it
creates
kind
of
this
like
imbalance
within
the
department.
E
And
so
I
think
we
need
to
think
about
that
when
we're
like
thinking
about
these
staff
increases
and
what
it
means
when
we're
talking
about
aspie
and
even
non-union
people
how
it
affects
a
full
department,
because
then
there's
these
different
levels
of
what
people
get
in
terms
of
pay
increase.
So
I
just
want
to
make
that
point
and
thank
you
for
all
the
information
and
I
will
get
moved
to
april.
C
A
second
second
any
other
further
questions
or
discussions
from
the
committee,
and,
if
not,
can
I
just
have
a
roll
call.
A
B
C
H
C
Yes,
thank
you
so
much.
Thank
you.
Moving
on
to
item
e
consideration
of
resolution
to
be
numbered
later,
a
resolution
specifying
that
the
down
payment
assistance
program
included
in
the
fy
23
budget
be
available
to
all
full-time
city
employees.
We
have
alexandre
lad,
which
lovely
surprise.
You
have
alexandria
here,
always
wonderful
to
see
you
alexandra
here
to
answer
questions
so
thank
you
alexandra
and
councillor.
A
Chavez
you've
pulled
this
guy
ahead.
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
I
pulled
this
item
because
I've
been
reflecting
on
it
a
lot.
I've
had
many
conversations
with
my
colleagues
when
we
were
talking
about
the
raise
the
pay
increases
through
budget
and
when
I
went
through
my
campaign
trail,
something
that
came
up
a
lot
was
public
safety
and
being
in
education
and
having
kids
and
knowing
how
much
I
rely
on
public
safety
is
just
just
in
my
daily
operations.
A
I
align
very
much
with
my
constituents
and
them
wanting
to
recruit
more
police,
have
a
larger
presence
of
police
in
their
communities,
and
you
know
making
sure
that
we're
confident
with
staffing
and
public
safety
so
seeing
the
cba
for
police
get
approved
and
move
and
be
discussed
and
we're
having
these
recruitment
and
retention
strategies
to
really
be
competitive
because
we
need
to
be
competitive.
We
need
to
be
the
best
so
that
we
get
the
best
was
really
important
to
me.
A
So
thanks
to
officer
joy
and
some
of
the
data
that
he
was
able
to
provide,
I
see
that
there
is
there
is
you
know
I
see
in
the
data
that
was
shared
with
me.
32
police
officers
would
be
interested
in
living
in
santa
fe
right
now,
as
this
states
is
750
000,
so
we
have
more
than
what
even
that
amount
would
address,
and
officers
interested
in
moving
to
santa
fe,
so
expanding
that
would
limit
that
number
and
address
a
large
issue
we
have
like.
You
know.
A
We
just
went
through
a
there's,
a
horrible
situation,
so
I'm
more
passionate
right
now
about
public
safety
because
of
what
took
place
in
texas.
It
just
needs
to
be
made
a
priority.
It's
not
that
city
staff,
all
city
staff,
is
not
a
priority.
They
are
all
city
staff
is
the
priority,
but
in
the
world
we
live
in,
we
just
saw
presentation
on
violence.
A
I
did,
though,
comes
over
like
to
some
information,
and
I
don't
know
the
details
of
it,
so
I'm
so
grateful
that
director
lad
is
here
that
there
may
be
already
a
fund
for
down
payment
assistance
for
city
employees.
Is
there
some
a
partnership
with
homewise
where
that
exists?
Madam
chair
members
of
the
committee
in.
I
This
our
past
request
for
application
process,
which
is
will
go
into
effect
on
july.
One
two
programs
were
awarded
funds
in
for
a
total
amount
of
nine
hundred
thousand
dollars
through
homewise
and
the
housing
trust.
We
have
also
we're
in
the
process
of
setting
up
their
administrative
contracts,
which
is
separate
than
the
down
payment
assistance,
funding
which.
I
Details
how
the
programs
work,
how
many
people
they're
going
to
serve,
etc,
etc,
and
in
that
contract
we
are
adding
language
to
the
there's,
a
outreach
section.
You
know:
how
do
you
reach
people
who
may
not
know
that.
I
I
They
may
not
know
how
the
process
works.
They
may
not
be
ready
for
homeownership,
but
the
sooner
they
get
into
a
program
and
help
learn
how
to
budget
learn
how
to
pay
down
debt
fix
credit.
You
know
these
organizations
are
amazing,
and
sometimes
the
value
of
a
home
ownership,
training
and
counseling
program
is
is
to
help
people
realize
that
you're
not
quite
ready,
and
you
don't
want
to
be
in
a
situation
where
you
can't
pay
a
mortgage
so
but
keep
working
with
us.
I
mean
some
folks
work
for
those
agencies
for
years
and
years.
I
A
A
A
A
I
want
to
see
this
stay
focused
on
police,
providing
chief
joy
and
his
team
with
what
they
need
to
lean
on
to
recruit
and
to
meet
that
demanding
need
that
the
community
has
been
very
vocal
and
aggressive
about,
and
I
don't
know
to
joy
if
you
want
to
speak
to
any
of
it
anything
that
I've
said
so
far,
but
I
just
really
wanted
to
communicate
that.
I
I
see
it.
I
personally
relate
as
a
community
member.
I
personally
relate
hearing
from
constituents
as
a
leader
they
seek
and
saying.
How
are
we
addressing
this?
A
How
are
we
addressing
public
safety?
What
is
the
police
doing?
What
is
the
police
doing?
I
feel
very
uncomfortable
with
speaking
for
you
all
when
I'm
not
positive
as
a
city,
we
aren't
giving
you
everything
you
need
to
recruit
and
retain,
but
we're
on
our
way
now,
and
I
think
this
is
essential
in
doing
it.
J
F
F
J
F
J
F
So
that
doesn't
include
cadets
of
the
poll
that
was
asked,
but
that's
going
to
be.
Obviously
these
are
new
officers
that
are
just
coming
in
that
we're
just
on
boarding
if
we
can
add
that
as
an
incentive
for
them
as
well
to
help
them
in
their
young
career
to
bring
them
in
and
bring.
A
I
completely
agree,
so
you
know
the
last
thing
I'll
say
is
I
I
really
feel
like
this
should
be
a
program.
That's
focused
on
as
it
was
originally
first
responders,
and
I
you
director
ladd,
you
said
everything
that
kind
of
addressed
my
concerns
and
will
city
employees
know
about
the
hundred
thousand
dollars
available
for
housing,
assistance
or
education.
I
think
that's
just
messaging
that
out
and
making
sure
they
feel
targeted
as
people
we
want
to
be
involved
in
that
and
take
advantage
of.
A
It
is
important,
I
think,
with
that,
we're
showing
value
to
all
employees
in
santa
fe,
but
we
are
also
providing
a
resource
to
lean
on
for
a
department
that
has
great
demand
and
meeting
a
need.
That's
huge
in
santa
fe.
So
thank
you
guys
both
for
your
time
and
that's
all
I
have
to
say
thank
you
chair.
J
J
J
J
That
was,
it
was
spoken
about
data.
Well,
let's
conduct
a
survey
of
all
city
employees.
I'm
sure
folks
would
be
shocked,
it'd
be
a
heck
of
a
lot
more
than
32
folks.
That
would
say
yes,
I
want
to
live
here
and
and
when
we
have
the
data
that
you
know,
unfortunately,
chief
joy,
that
is
not
a
comprehensive
data
set
if
we
can
get
all
30,
all
112
uniformed
officers
or
112
folks
to
respond
fantastic.
We
can
move
forward
with
that,
but
right
now
that
that
is
invalid,
not
saying
that
those
32
folks
wouldn't
move
here.
J
J
We
need
to
be
doing
everything
we
can
to
bring
them
up
and
if
that
means
providing
an
opportunity
for
folks
to
live
here
great.
If
that
means
we've
got
to
figure
out
how
to
come
up
with
additional
resources.
So
we
can
expand
this
program.
Let's
do
it
we're
smart.
We
can
make
it
happen,
I'm
great
to
hear
about
the
additional
resources
that
that's
available,
fantastic,
even
more
folks.
That
could
take
advantage
of
an
opportunity
to
live
here
in
the
city.
J
M
E
Command
of
chair
so
just
to
clarify
with
alex,
because
we've
had
a
lot
of
conversations
about
this
and
I'm
also
chairing
the
cdc.
So
we
see
the
amount
of
money
that
comes
forth
for
down
payment
assistance
and
while
when
we
had
talked
about
the
certain
budget
about
having
language
in
their
contract,
I
would
say
their
outreach
that
they
would
do
more
outreach
with
city
staff.
E
The
thing
about
that
is
that
they
can
tell
they
can
do
outreach,
but
it
doesn't
target
or
prioritize
city
staff.
So
what
happens
is
that
money
is
actually
just
a
large
amount,
a
pool
of
money
that
anyone
first
come
first
serve.
That
actually
qualifies
would
get
it.
And
we
want
that
because
we
want
other
people
in
the
community
to
also
be
able
to
have
resources
for
down
payment
assistance.
So
it
doesn't
directly
target
it
and
that's
what
I
was
trying
to
figure
out
with
with
director
ladd
about
how
we
could
actually
be
more
specific.
E
And
this
doesn't
do
it.
I
mean
it
helps,
but
it
doesn't
do
get
to
like
the
crux
of
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
supporting
more
city
staff
for
down
payment
assistance.
There
is
another
way
that
alex-
and
I
were
talking
about,
but
I'm
forgetting
another
option,
but
it
doesn't
really
pertain
to
this
kind
of
effort.
I
think
we
need
a
brainstorm
about
that,
but
maybe
there's
other
ways
that
our
city
resources
would
directly
specify
that
this
needs
to
support
city
staff,
but
we
need
to.
I
want
to
talk
to
alex
more
about
that.
E
I
guess
I
just
want
to
see.
Yes,
even
with
the
outreach
you
all
have
done,
there
is
limitations.
I
mean
there's
it's
based
on
your
income,
so
even
if
folks
were
like
yes.
F
E
E
I
I
guess
I
wanted
to
see
this
happen
with
this
change,
because
when
we
start
looking
at
budget
adjustments
later
on
in
the
year,
then
we
can
actually
request
for
more
funding
to
to
be
put
into
this
and
be
able
to
find
the
funding
so
that
we
can
increase
the
amount
so
that
it
actually
does
have
a
there's
a
larger
pool
of
funding
to
draw
from.
E
But
I
think
that
this
putting
this
in
place
will
help
to
start
the
process
so
that,
if
this
is
in
place,
then
when
we
start
asking
for
budget
adjustments,
then
we
can
actually
have
the
language
infrastructure
saying
that
all
city
employees
are
eligible.
Obviously
it's
based
on
income
and
they
have
to
go
through
the
house.
Buying
process
which
could
be
years
like
alex,
is
saying.
E
E
So
I'd
like
us
to
see
this
pathway
move
forward
and
then,
when
we
get
to
that
point
to
add
to
ask
for
more
funding
to
to
infuse
in
it
and,
in
the
meantime,
I'll
be
working
with
alex
to
see
if
there's
other
pathways,
because
the
900k
it's
a
great
option,
we
have
the
down
payment
assistance,
it
just
doesn't
target
and
shepherd
our
city
staff
to
go
through
that
process
and
really
say:
okay
you're
a
priority,
we're
going
to
focus
on
city
staff.
It
really
says.
E
Yes,
we
want
to
help
you
we're
going
to
give
you
the
resources,
but
we
have
all
these
other
people
in
the
city
that
are
also
vying
for
that
same
amount
of
down
payment
assistance.
So
it
doesn't
again
get
to
like
the
prioritization
that
I'm
seeking,
I
guess,
to
really
look
at
the
staff
as
a
whole,
because
you
know
there's
a
lot
of
essential
workers.
B
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
just
a
few
comments
in
regards
to
what
I've
heard,
what
I've
you
know
gone
through
my
own
thought
process
in
this.
This
resolution.
B
When
you
look
at
any
organization,
you
see
the
competitive
nature
that
it
is
out
there
for
hiring
people,
and
I
and
I
see
how
valuable
of
a
tool
this
can
be
for
first
responders
not
to
take
away
from
the
police
department
not
to
take
away
from
the
fire
department
but
to
to
allow
each
department
to
develop
sort
of
what
is
a
benefits
package
and
how
to
bring
people
in
as
part
of
recruitment.
How
to
retain
people,
and
I
think,
that's
very
important
overall
and
when
you
look
at
the
overall
organizational
chart
of
the
city.
B
I
think
this
helps
and
I
do
agree
that
750
000
isn't
going
to
go
very
far,
even
in
within
just
one
department,
depending
on
how
the
criterion
is
laid
out,
how
it's
going
to
work,
how
the
program's
going
to
work
going
back
to.
B
Assistance
programs
that
are
available
to
people
that
work
for
the
city,
just
the
community
in
general,
I
think,
is-
is
great
information
to
have
out
there,
and
I
think
a
lot
of
people
do
know
about
those
programs,
but
here
again
going
back
to
what
the
city
can
offer
to
their
employees
in
regards
to
the
overall
benefits
package
and
how
to
how
the
city
can
utilize
this
as
a
tool.
B
Now
we
can
do
it
budget
adjustment
and
bring
more
funds
into
this,
and
and
how
do
we
grow
this
over
the
year
and
and
this
is
the
the
open
door
opportunity
for
us
right
now,
and
so
I
do.
I
do
believe
that-
and
those
are
my
comments
and
thank
you.
I
do
support
this.
C
Thank
you,
counselor
alexandra.
I
have
a
couple
questions
when
this
was
coming
through
on
budget
hearings.
This
program
really
had
not
been
designed.
What
are
the
amounts
that
people
would
get?
What
are
the
income
thresholds?
What
are
the
requirements
for
people
who
are
receiving
this
and
them
remaining
in
the
city?
All
of
those
components
have
those
program
components
been
designed
yet
and
decided
upon.
I
Chair
members
of
the
committee,
I'm
glad
you
asked
that
question
because
I
think
one
as
as
the
person
who's
likely
to
be
very
involved
in
in
how
the
the
program
is
developed
and
how
the
funds
get
out
into
the
community.
I
would
say
that
I
do
not
understand
the
policy
priority
behind
this
program.
I
can
think
of
15
of
them,
but
to
say
well,
yes,
all
of
the
above
you
know.
Are
we
trying
to
retain
employees?
Are
we
trying
to
attract
employees?
Are
we
trying
to
address
housing
instability?
I
Are
we
trying
to
reduce
extreme
housing
costs?
You
know
there
are
many
many
reasons
why
people
can't
afford
housing
and
it's
not
just
because
they
don't
have
down
payment
assistance.
That's
a
huge
piece
of
it.
It'll
help
immensely
for
many
people,
but
it's
only
going
to
help
the
people
who
are
credit
ready,
who
are
don't,
have
big
debt
loads
and
have
the
wherewithal
to
go
through
that
process.
So
I
think
that
would
be
very
helpful
because
there
are
lots
of
different
ways
to
design
this.
I
If,
if
staff
understands
with
the
policy
priority,
are
you
throwing
a
handful
of
pebbles
into
the
pond
and
hoping
that
a
ripple
hits
the
opposite
shore,
or
are
you
taking
a
big
boulder
and
focusing
on
one
part
of
the
pond
and
really
making
an
impact?
I'm
not
saying
either
way
is
right
or
wrong,
but
I
just
that
would
be
very
helpful
for
you
know
I'm
not
a
policy
maker,
I'm
supposed
to
be
executing
this.
So
that's
what
I
haven't
heard.
I
I
haven't
heard
that
I
haven't
heard
the
policy
priority
articulated
because
that's
also
the
only
way
to
measure
whether
the
intervention
is
effective,
because
if
we
don't
know
what
we're
trying
to
do,
what
we're
trying
to
accomplish,
we
can
get
this
money
out
the
door.
We
can
help
a
lot
of
people.
Have
we
moved
the
needle.
We
have
no
way
of
knowing.
C
Think
that's
part
of
part
of
this
conversation
here
is
really
that
that's
exactly
what
we
were
debating
at
this
moment.
You
know,
alexander,
you
brought
up
another
point,
which
is
that.
C
I
C
Have
we
explored,
I
believe
that
there
are
other
cities
that
basically
provide
housing
stipends.
You
know
that,
for
for
cities
that
are
very
expensive
to
live
in,
they
will
provide
housing
stipends
for
individuals
to
take
positions
in
the
city
and
those
I'm
curious.
If
we
have
looked
at
any
of
those
programs
as
opposed
to
specific
down
payment
assistance,
if
we've
looked
at
whether
it's
a
monthly
or
annual
stipend
that
helps
with
the
housing
cost
of
exceptionally
high
areas.
I
Madam
chair
members
of
the
committee,
that's
a
great
question.
I
know
of
programs
that
are
offered
through
employers
in
the
private
sector
a
lot
of
times,
educational
institutions,
sometimes
non-profits
or
big
corporate
employers,
will
will
create
a
program
called
employee.
Employer,
assisted
housing
is
usually
what
it's
called,
and
sometimes
they
master
leave
the
big
block
of
rental
units
for
their
employees
to
live
in
or
they
will
provide
housing
assistance
to
purchase
homes
as
a
benefit.
What
the
big
complication-
and
I
wish
director
salazar
was
here
in
this
organization-
is
that
we
have
unions.
I
How
do
we?
How
do
we
make
that
fair?
If
somebody
gets
a
down
payment
assistance
loan
from
the
city
and
somebody
else
doesn't
get
it,
it
becomes
a
if
it
becomes
a
benefit
for
the
employees,
and
I
this
is
not
my
my
neck
of
the
woods.
So
I
have
no
idea
like
how
this
would
work,
but
it
it's
very
much
more
complicated
because
we're
a
public
entity
and.
C
The
down
payment
assistance
program-
that
is,
that
we
already
have
going
in
the
city.
C
C
I
Madam
chair
members
of
the
committee,
usually
the
local
funds,
which
are
less
restricted
and
can
serve
higher
incomes.
They
are
very
quickly
expended
both
habitat,
also
homewise
and
housing.
Trust
all
have
access
to
other
financial
resources,
housing
trusts
and
home
eyes
are
financial
institutions
themselves.
L
I
They
make
their
own
loans,
sometimes
if
they
have
to
if
they
have
an
unconventional
borrower.
So
the
the
federal
funds
are
a
little
harder
because
they're,
just
less
flexible
and
the
income
restriction
is,
is
for
a
lower
income.
So
that's
those
are
the
funds
that
we've
had
a
hard
time
with
the
market
increases
the
price
increases
in
the
market.
That
gap
has
gotten
really
large.
D
F
C
I
Cetera,
but
I
think
we
would,
I
would
assume
we
would
be
somewhere
in
the
neighborhood
of
fifty
thousand
dollars,
forty
to
fifty
thousand
dollars
per
household.
C
C
I
Chair
members
of
the
committee,
the
entire
income
for
the
whole
household
is
considered,
so
that
could
certainly
price
them
out
of
of
a
conventional
housing
product.
The
council
again
back
to
what
is
the
policy
priority
here?
The
council
could
say
we
don't
want
it
to
be
income
restricted.
We
want
to
serve
anybody
who
is
a
worker
in
this
organization
and
wants
to
live
here,
in
which
case
we
would
not
be
able
to
provide
a
low-cost
product.
I
We
would
have
to
provide
a
loan
with,
and
there
are
various
ways
to
structure
that,
but
it
that
that
is
also
an
option.
C
Yeah,
I
think
this
is
one
of
the
parts
that
I've
really
struggled
with
with
this
decision
in
general.
Is
that
so
many
unknown
details
at
the
moment
that
I
that
I
have
struggled
a
lot?
I
mean
honestly,
I've
gone
back
and
forth
with
with
this
particular
item.
C
Since
budget
hearings,
who
knows,
I
may
go
back
and
forth
between
between
committees,
this
one
is
really
challenging.
For
me,
on
the
one
hand,
santa
fe
is
extremely
unaffordable.
I
mean
we
just
we're
in
an
unaffordable
city
and
there
are
a
lot
of
individuals
who
are
working
at
the
city
who
cannot
afford
to
live
at
the
city.
C
And
I
think
that
there
really
is,
I
think
that
that's
a
really
strong
recognition.
This
is
a
problem,
although
it's
not
just
a
problem
for
us.
This
is
a
problem
for.
C
For
everybody
for
businesses
everywhere
in
our
community
on
the
other
side
of
that
equation,
you
know,
as
council
travis
mentioned
in
no
uncertain
terms,
every
single
community
meeting
every
single
constituent
meeting
I
have
had.
C
Yeah,
I
don't
hear
about
it
as
much,
but
I
I
know
that
there
was
a
lot
of
conversation
about
you
know.
What
does
it
start
to
look
like
when
you,
you
know
officers?
You
know
when
you
have
officers
that
are
members
of
your
community
that
you're
interacting
with
at
your
kid's
school,
when
you're,
interacting
with
them
at
the
grocery
store
at
all
these
areas,
which.
C
They
do
have
experiences,
but
there's
somebody
that
they've
arrested
and
they
run
into
them
at
the
grocery
store
and
they're
there
with
their
kids
and
that's
not
something
that
they're
really
comfortable
with,
and
so
I
think
that
that's
almost
a
little
bit
two-sided
there
of
how
we.
C
How
we
address
this,
I
also
I
have
a
really
hard
time
with
our
car
take
home
program.
I
hate
how
far
we
allow
our
cars
to
drive.
I
worry
about
gas,
I
worry
about
money,
you
know,
and
I
understand
where
the
arguments
are,
and
so
I
prefer
to
have
officers
living
closer
to
the
city
in
the
city
and
at
least
in
our
county,
although
we've
discussed
the
edgewood's
actually
even
further
than
rio
rancho,
but
how
do
we
start
to
really
bring
bring
individuals,
and
I
will.
F
C
C
They
are
categorically
more
putting
themselves
in
more
danger,
and
so
I
do
think
that
there
is
a
component
there.
I'm
not
sure
I've
really
struggled
with
this
one.
I
do
think
that
there
is,
if
we're
going,
to
look
at
how
what
is
the
policy
goal?
Does
this
work
having
a
smaller
pool,
helps
because
your
your
total
and
your
total
population
is
lower.
C
About
kind
of
some
of
these
other
programs
like
housing,
stipends
that
maybe
aren't
going
to
require
50
000
and
so
there's
this
capability
to
reduce
the
total
number
that
we
might
be
or
total
amounts
that
we're
looking
at
and
therefore
be
able
to
really
see
how
this
could
impact
a
larger
percentage
of
the
our
employee
population.
Our
total
population.
But.
C
Yeah
I
have
found
this
one
really
challenging,
and
I
I
do
also
know
that
there
has
been
a
really
big
call
from
my
constituency
for
increased
public
safety
for
having
having
enough
officers
and
having
them
within
our
community
and
and.
C
C
Suppose
the
floor:
if
there
are
no
more
comments
or
questions,
we
can
go
ahead
and
call
for.
Can
I
make.
A
One
more
comment:
yes,
counselor
travis.
Thank
you.
I
just
I
wanted
to
follow
up
on
some
comments
that
were
made.
A
As
I
said,
I
had
a
conversation
with
him
where
he
was
as
a
mother
and
about
gun
violence,
and
he
basically
said
what
councillor
cassid
said:
our
police
are
trained
to
run
towards
danger.
If
they're
there
they
respond,
they
risk
the
bond
instantly.
That
is
what
they're
expected
to
do.
They
respond
to
save
lives
immediately,
and
I
think
when
someone
has
signed
up
for
that
career,
which
I
heroes
really
are
you
guys
are
so.
Thank
you.
I
can't
express
my
appreciation.
A
I
think
that
it's
important
for
when
we're
recruiting
them
and
bringing
them
into
our
community
for
them
to
know
they
will
be
valued
and
appreciated
and
celebrated
by
the
community
they
serve
and
they
run
towards
when
they're
in
danger,
and
I
think
that
this
really
specifies
when
he's
having
those
recruitment
conversations,
our
city
has
a
program
specifically
built
for
us
because
of
that
value
and
appreciation.
A
So
I
think
when
that
is
taken
away,
it's
going
it
changes.
It
takes
the
power
away
from
what
that
housing
assistance
is
for
that
target
population.
So
I
just
wanted
to
make
that
comment,
because
I
think
that
is
what's
taken
away
is
how
powerful
that
can
be
used
in
recruiting
officers,
which
we
desperately
need
right
now,.
J
F
J
F
J
I
C
You
have
no
discussion,
no
executive
session
matters
from
steph.