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A
All
right
one
second,
my
computer
usually
has
a
quick
delay.
So
there
we
go
all
right.
That
being
said,
I'll
go
ahead
and
start
so
by
default
marcos.
I
will
probably
just
call
this
meaning
to
order,
since
we
don't
have
a
chair
at
this
time
and
then
once
we
have
a
chair
which
is
an
action
item
on
our
agenda,
we
can
note
that
so
I
will
just
call
the
meeting
to
order
at
304
pm
and
then
at
this
point
any
of
our
selected
members.
A
If
anyone
wants
to
make
a
motion
to,
I
guess
I
could
do
a
roll
call.
Sorry
so
district
one
member
chris
grazier.
B
A
All
right,
perfect,
thank
you
and
if
I
get
anyone's
name
wrong,
I
apologize
just
correct
me,
nicholas
mckenzie,
for
district
three.
D
A
Perfect,
thank
you
nicholas
district
four
willie
may
ortiz.
E
A
Thank
you
and
then
gail
rickers
present,
perfect
and
pearl
bechner.
A
Perfect
no
worries
in
the
virtual
world.
We
do
kind
of
make
sure
everyone's
unmuted
when
they
say
something
and
then
carmela
quintana.
A
Actually,
don't
see
carmilla
on
all
right,
so
we
will
note
that
she
is
absent
at
this
time
and
then
we
do
also
have
some
of
our
at
large.
I
don't
know
if
any
of
our
alternates
are
on
anyways,
so
we
do
have
a
quorum
to
move
forward
and
if
anyone
would
like
to
make
a
motion
to
approve
the
agenda
which
includes
discussion
and
appointment
of
a
chairperson
and
vice
chairman,
as
well
as
a
presentation,
although.
G
A
A
and
b
so
we
can
add
it
as
item
b
under
well,
it's
not
really
an
action
item,
but
it
could
be
a
discussion
item
so
we'll
put
it
under
5b.
So.
G
A
Traditionally,
on
our
agenda
templates,
if
there
are
no
items
under
then
we
just
move
forward.
Okay,
so
yes.
A
Absolutely
so
with
that
we
have
a
motion
and
a
second
to
amend
the
agenda,
to
include
a
presentation,
and
let
me
just
take
a
quick
roll
call.
So
chris
grazier.
G
A
All
right
lily
may
ortiz.
H
F
A
All
right,
and
then
we
have
as
absent
all
right
motion,
is
approved
to
amend
the
agenda
moving
on
then
to
action
items.
The
first
item
is.
A
G
A
Yes,
absolutely,
you
may
have
read
my
mind,
mr
razor.
A
Was
actually
gonna
recommend
that
exact
thing
if
everyone
would
like
to
do
a
quick
introduction
and
a
brief
overview
of
themselves
and
then,
if
anyone
would
like
to
say
whether
they
are
interested
in
serving
in
the
capacity
of
chair
or
vice
chair
at
that
time,
so
kind
of
in
my
order
of
roll
call
chris,
do
you
want
to
go
first.
G
Sure
my
name
is
chris
grazer,
a
lawyer
in
santa
fe.
I
do
a
lot
of
real
estate
work.
I
do
a
lot
of
kind
of
local
government,
adjacent
work,
land
use,
hearing,
officer,
etc
volunteered
for
this
commission,
because
I
see
it
as
important
work.
I
ideally
it'll
be
somewhat
less
controversial
than
the
redistrictings
that
make
the
news,
but
I
think
we
have
a
good
process
in
santa
fe.
The
city
code
tracks
pretty
well
my
understanding
of
of
federal
election
law.
G
I
mean
I
do
have
some
experience
with
the
elections
cases
I
have.
I
have
a
fair
amount
of
experience,
staffing
in
running
committees,
both
government
and
non-profit.
I
mean
I'd,
be
really
service
chair,
but
if
anyone
is
interested
in
serving
as
chair,
I
would
certainly
support
them
in
doing
that.
C
Thank
you,
name's
gary
donato.
I
recently
moved
here
in
august
of
2021
from
just
south
of
boston.
This
is
my
my
actual
retirement
home.
Now
as
much
as
we
can
say
that
we
retire.
C
I
have
a
phd
in
political
science,
a
retired
navy
served
22
years
in
the
military,
on
a
variety
of
different
committees.
I've
been
on
presidential
commissions
and
such
every
town
that
I've
ever
lived
in
I've
worked
as
an
election
worker
or
charter
revision
commissions
because
I
think
that's
part
of
my
citizen
responsibility,
but
also
to
get
out
of
the
ivory
tower
of
politic
political
science
and
get
into
the
practical
world
of
politics.
C
A
At
when
I'm
muted
and
unmuted,
but
sorry
about
that
nicholas
did
you
want
to
go
next.
D
No
problem
nicholas
mckenzie,
I
work
as
the
veterans
service
officer
through
dbs
for
los
alamos
county
santa
fe,
county
rio,
arriba
county
and
a
few
other
counties,
but
my
main
purpose
is
to
assist
veterans
and
their
family
members
in
attaining
state
and
federal
benefits.
D
I
am
also
a
20-plus
year,
navy
veteran,
but
in
20
years
I've
never
stepped
foot
on
a
navy
vessel
yeah.
I
was
a
navy
cd,
so
not
a
real.
They
call
us
dirt
sailors
instead
of
sailors,
but
I
actually
was
looking
for
the
veteran
advisory
boards
based
off
of
my
job,
and
I
saw
this
and
I
said:
hey,
you
know
what
let
me
throw
my
name
in
the
hat.
D
A
Thank
you.
Do
you
would
you
like
me
to
know
if
you
have
any
interests.
D
A
Perfect,
thank
you.
So
much
nicholas
next
up
would
be
lilly
mae,
ortiz.
E
Thanks
christine
I'm
lily
may
ortiz,
I'm
a
native
northern
new
mexico
gal
lived
here.
All
my
life
worked
for
the
state
of
new
mexico,
the
department
of
finance
and
administration
for
27
years
and
retired
there
as
the
division
director
of
the
administrative
services
division
and
worked
many
years
as
a
budget
analyst
for
the
state
carrying
legislation
for
the
different
governors
worked
under
six
governors
have
a
lot
of
experience
in
policy
analysis
and
budgeting.
I've
also
served
as
a
elected
elected
school
board
member
in
pojoaque.
E
I
lived
lived
there
for
40
years
and
just
moved
to
santa
fe
three
years
ago.
So
I'm
very
well
aware
of
the
geographic
configuration
of
the
populace
here
and
I'm
excited
to
see
that
santa
fe
is
looking
at
pulling
together,
something
that
represents
its
constituents.
E
I've
served
as
president
of
the
state
school
board
association.
I
serve
as
president
school
board.
Infowakken.
I've
also
served
as
president
of
the
national
hispanic
caucus
and
we
met
in
virginia.
So
I've
had
a
lot
of
opportunities
to
chair
meetings
have
no
problem
doing
that
would
be
happy
to
throw
my
head
in
the
ring.
E
My
purpose
is
to
add
value
and
to
represent
the
community
so
that
we
can
pull
together
a
really
good
representation
and
all
the
work
that
we
do
so
happy
to
be
here
and
happy
to
see
all
of
the
friendly
faces.
Thanks
christine.
A
Yes,
perfect,
thank
you.
Lily
may
gail.
J
I'm
dr
gail
rickers
and
I
my
degree
is
actually
in
psychology
which
includes
a
lot
of
research,
and
so
I
teach
research
right
now
online
and
we
moved
here
in
2010
but
then
had
to
bought
our
house
in
santa
fe
and
had
to
leave,
and
so
we
just
moved
back
in
2020
and
are
very
glad
to
be
here
and
it
will
be
our
permanent
home
in
the
future
as
well,
at
least
with
fingers
crossed.
That's
how
it
will
be.
J
So
I'm
looking
really
forward
to
learning
a
lot
more
about
how
santa
fe
government
works
and
how
the
re
districting
commission
works.
It's
always
been
something
that
happened
somewhere
else
with
someone
else,
so
I'm
really
glad
to
be
here
and
I'm
glad
to
serve
on
the
committee,
I'm
not
interested
in
being
the
chair
or
the
vice
chair.
At
this
point,
I
don't
think
that's
a
realistic
expectation,
but
I
am
looking
forward
to
working
with
everyone.
I
think
this
will
be
really
lovely.
A
F
Yes,
all
right,
thank
you.
Thank
you.
I've
lived
in
my
wife
and
I
moved
to
santa
fe
about
six
years
ago,
and
I've
tried
to
stay
in
any
community.
I've
lived
in
close
to
city
government
and
community
government
county
government,
where
whatever
so
I
you
know
to
have
an
understanding.
I've
not
been
a
politician.
I've
not
served
in
an
elected
office,
but
again
I've
been
close.
My
career
has
been
the
second
half
of
my
career
was
principally
in
radio
and
television
operations
and
ownership
and
news
operations
and
so
forth.
F
So
my
background
is
journalism,
and
you
know
I
I
feel,
like
I'm
a
pretty
good
communicator,
pretty
good
writer
and
a
pretty
good
researcher
on
topics
of
importance
that
I've
dealt
with.
I
was
going
to
add
that
for
the
veterans
and
the
veterans
service
folks
here
in
the
group-
I
I
did
my
time
in
the
army
short
time.
I
was
drafted
one
of
the
last
draftees
before
the
draft
ended
so
anyway,
I'd
be
perfectly
willing
to
serve
chair
or
vice
chair.
F
A
All
right,
perfect
and
carmella
is
not
present
so
of
the
voting
members
that
are
here.
I
don't
know
if
anyone
wants
to
make
emotion.
A
H
Ahead,
am
I
I'm
I'm
george
duncan
and
I'm
an
emeritus
professor
of
statistics
and
public
policy
at
carnegie
mellon
university,
a
phd
in
statistics,
and
I
I've
been
quite
interested
in
both
the
process
and,
of
course,
the
the
implications
of
the
whole
redistricting
process.
So
I'm
intrigued
with
how
this
will
work
out
in
in
santa
fe.
So
I
I
wish
all
this
well.
A
Yes
same
and
then
with
that
laura,
do
you
want
to
say
a
few
words
as
well
perfectly.
K
Sure
I
am
I
I
guess,
I'm
an
alternate,
I'm
laura
hendry.
I
know
nothing
about
the
government,
except
for
what
I
read
on
the
news,
and
this
redistricting
thing
has
been
so
upsetting
to
me
and
I
was
so
excited
to
hear
about
this
group
sounded
wonderful
and
I've
got
to
tell
you
I
I
work
as
a
I
teach
families
how
to
do
dementia
care
for
people
who
get
dementia
and
I'm
I'm
gonna
have
to
get
off
at
four
for
an
appointment.
K
I'm
I'm
really
sorry,
but
this
is
this
is
just
the
way
it
is,
but
so
I
mean
not
to
alternate.
It
probably
is
going
to
be
far
out
in
the
orbit
of
this
planetary
system,
but
I
just
want
to
say
I
support
you
and
if
any
anything
comes
up
where
I
can
help
I
would
like
to
but
no
chairman
for
me,
none
of
that
I'm
really
pretty
busy
right
now.
Yeah.
A
Perfect,
thank
you.
So
I
don't
know
if
there
there
is
discussion
or
anyone,
you
know
would
like
to
make
a
motion
of
any
sorts
as
we
kind
of
navigate
who
will
become
the
chairperson,
mr
grazer,
miss
ortiz
and
mr
ruckner
have
all
expressed
interest
in
that
position.
F
I
I
would
just
like
to
add
a
point
of
discussion.
I've
done
a
lot
of
homework
on
on
the
2015
commission
that
the
city
had
redistricting
commission
the
work
that
was
done
there
and
I
know
research
in
polling.
You
were
involved
brian,
your
group
at
that
time,
and
I
know
you
have
a
great
reputation
for
the
work
you
do
and
your
your
associates
do
in
this
field.
F
It
was
interesting
to
see
some
of
the
people
involved
at
that
time
and
the
work
they
did
and
the
process
that
went
through
and
I've
tried
to
study
that
to
have
a
better
understanding
of
where,
where
we
are,
what
what
has
come
before
us
and
where
we
need
to
go
and
what
the
timing
and
locations
of
some
of
the
work
that
was
done.
Thank
you.
G
Yeah,
I
would
like
to
move
that
we
elect
lily
may
ortiz
as
chair
and
rob
reckner
as
vice
chair
and
gary
I'm
sorry.
We
just
had
to
pick
someone.
A
Okay,
so
we
have
a
motion
for
mr
grazer
on
that.
A
All
right,
gary
with
a
second
all
right
and
then
I
will
do
a
quick
roll
call.
So
mr
grazier.
L
E
Hi
gail
hi
earl.
F
A
All
right,
perfect
and
then,
of
course,
we
are
absent
for
carmella,
so
motion
has
been
approved
to
appoint
hr
person
and
vice
chairperson
to
the
redistricting
commission,
which
takes
us
to
the
next
item
on
the
agenda.
We
added
in
the
presentation
from
our
consultant,
which
is
research
and
polling
and
ryan.
I
believe
you
have
a
presentation
correct.
L
For
michael's,
charcoal
screen
share.
L
L
L
In
fact,
for
the
city
of
santa
fe,
we
started
assisting
the
city
council
back
then,
before
the
independent
commission
was
established
working
directly
with
the
city
council
in
1991,
2001
and
2011.,
and
also
as
it
turned
out,
that
santa
fe
redistricted
twice
last
decade
and
we'll
talk
about
that.
A
little
lots
of
experience
with
the
public
schools.
L
Besides
myself,
michael
sharp
vice
president
who's
on
the
zoom
call
here,
and
brittany
poss,
the
director
of
data
and
analytics
they're,
smarter
than
me
and
they'll,
be
very
much
involved
in
the
process
as
well
as
we
move
forward
in
getting
the
job
done
for
you.
L
It
sounds
like
some
of
you
have
done
your
homework
already
and
have
become
knowledgeable
on
the
topic,
but
if
we
move
to
the
first
slide
first-
and
you
may
be
aware
of
all
this
already-
because
this
is
in
the
ordinance-
the
audio
ordinance
lays
out
a
process
for
you
to
follow,
and
that
process
summarized
here
is
one
to
have
an
organizational
meeting
which
you're
doing
right
now,
we've
added
to
the
agenda
the
general
overview
and
population
statistics.
L
We
wanted
you
to
get
a
feel
for
what's
happened
to
the
population
ships
in
santa
fe
and
how
that
will
impact
redistricting.
So
we're
going
to
do
that
now.
The
ordinance
also
says
that
the
very
next
meeting
is
to
provide
education
and
directives
to
research
and
polling.
Now,
then,
we
could
also
do
repeat
in
the
abcs.
The
redistricting
principles
now
typically
in
a
second
meeting.
L
Research
and
polling
would
also
unveil
various
concepts
for
your
consideration
so
that
you
can
react
to
them.
Also,
it
would
be
an
opportunity
for
the
public
to
react.
What
do
you
like?
What
do
you
not
like
what
recommendations?
Do
you
have
or
suggestions
to
us
to
tweak
the
plans,
those
initial
plans?
L
So,
if
you
want
us,
we
could,
if
then,
if
we
have
enough
time,
I
don't
know
if
you've
pre-scheduled
meetings,
but
if
we
had
at
least
two
more
weeks,
we
could
come
in
with
some
concepts
for
your
consideration
to
react
to,
or
we
can
pass
that
up
to
the
the
meeting
after
the
ordinance
calls
for
for
public
meetings
show
plans
get
public
input,
get
commission
input
then,
based
on
public
input
and
commission
input,
revise
those
plans,
show
them
again
go
through
that
process.
L
L
They
came
up
with
the
plan
unanimously
and
it
just
showed
you
the
difference
between
when
politicians
are
involved
as
compared
to
when
a
group
of
independent
citizens
are
involved.
It
was
very
impressive,
collaborative
process
that
the
commission
worked
on
and
then,
ultimately,
you
would
adopt
a
final
plan.
Hopefully
the
plans
that
are
unveiled
by
us.
The
plans
that
are
tweaked
by
you
would
also
be
posted
on
the
city
website
and
hopefully
we
can
work
with
the
gis
folks
with
the
city
and
get
those
posted.
L
So
people
in
the
general
public
can
also
look
at
those
plans
and
comment.
The
ordinance
also
requires
that
you
make
those
plans
accessible
to
the
public
in
one
form
or
another.
So
that's
the
process.
L
Many
of
you
know
what
redistricting
is,
but
let's
talk
about
it
on
the
next
slide.
You
know,
redistricting,
generally
speaking,
is
the
adjustment
of
election
district
boundaries
to
account
for
population
shifts.
You
know,
sometimes
in
a
city
or
a
county,
the
population
growth
is
equally
distributed
throughout
the
city
or
the
county,
and
therefore
oftentimes.
L
It's
not
even
necessary
to
make
minor
adjustments
to
the
the
boundaries
because
of
that,
but
more
times
than
not
what
we
find
that
there's
unequal
growth
within
a
city
or
a
county,
and
that
requires
boundaries
to
shift
to
account
for
equal
population
to
get
them
up
to
equal
population
among
the
districts.
Another
way
of
looking
at
redistricting
is
to
basically
say
it's
the
way
in
which
we
change
our
districts
to
determine
who
represents
us.
L
People
want
to
be
re
represented
by
someone
that
perhaps
will
go
to
the
council
and
represent
their
best
interests
so
putting
together
districts
where
people
share.
Something
in
common
is
typically
an
approach
that
these
groups,
such
as
yourselves
use.
When
is
it
done
well,
generally
speaking,
all
groups,
whether
it
be
congress
or
the
legislature,
cities
county
school
boards,
they're
required
to
redistrict
after
each
decennial
census?
L
Why,
after
each
decennial
census?
Well,
that's
when
the
data
are
freshest,
that's
when
we
have
the
most
current
data
from
the
u.s
census
bureau.
Now
the
santa
fe
city
charter
allows
for
redistricting
more
than
once
a
decade
in
many
statutes.
It
says
once
a
decade
the
legislature
shall
or
a
county
shall
but
the
charter's
different.
It
says
that
it
allows
for
registering
more
than
once
per
decade.
L
So
it's
important
for
you
to
realize
some
of
you
do
that
santa
fe
actually
did
redistrict
and
employed
this
independent
citizens
commission
process
in
2015..
Why
did
they
do
it?
Mid-Decade,
because
in
2014
the
city
of
santa
fe
had
a
major
annexation
and
the
city
of
santa
fe
added
thirteen
thousand
two
hundred
people
to
the
city
limits,
sort
of
south
santa
fe,
both
sides
of
airport,
road
and
the
like,
and
so
the
city
council
in
their
wisdom,
thought
why?
L
Don't
we
redistrict
mid-decade
and
get
these
new
annex
people
in
to
the
city
council
districts
so
that
the
district
populations
are
not
lopsided,
because
so
much
of
the
annexation
occurred
in
the
south-southwestern
part
of
town?
So
it's
important
for
you
to
know
it's
not
as
if
it's
been
10
years
since
redistricting,
it
really
was
done
actually
in
2015
as
well.
Okay,
who
districts
well
for
the
three
congressional
seats
in
new
mexico,
the
legislature
and
the
governor
for
the
legislative
seats.
L
This
is
unique.
We
we
haven't
worked
with
anyone
else
where
you
actually
have
the
authority
to
get
the
job
done
now.
There
are
many
groups
like
the
city
of
albuquerque
were
working
with
their
advisory
committee.
The
legislature
set
up
a
citizen,
redistricting
commission.
They
recommended
to
the
legislature
plans
and
then
the
legislature
could
accept
reject,
amend
them.
But
in
your
case
you
have
the
authority
to
get
the
job
done.
L
Okay,
who
gets
counted
well
for
purposes
of
redistricting.
Everyone
gets
counted
everyone
who's
counted
in
that
census,
adults,
kids,
citizens,
college
students
and
dorms
prisoners,
non-citizens
undocumented
immigrants,
foreign
students,
as
you
know,
in
the
census,
everyone
gets
counted
and
where
do
they
get
counted?
They
get
counted
at
the
place
where
they
live
and
sleep
most
of
the
time
and
so
for
the
purposes
of
redistricting.
When
we
talking
about
equalizing
the
population
among
the
different
districts
we're
talking
about,
we
count,
everybody
kids
count
because
kids
need
to
be
represented
too,
and
so
on
and
so
forth.
L
We
are
stuck
with
the
census,
though
the
census
bureau
might
adjust
numbers
down
the
road
they
rarely
do,
but
when
they,
if
they
do,
it
would
affect
allocation
of
resources
for
federal
government
grants
it
would
not
affect
districting.
So
we're
stuck
with
the
census,
as
we
go
here,
are
the
five
principles
of
districting.
L
Here
are
the
things
that
you
need
to
always
be
given
a
lot
of
thought
to
and
we'll
make
this
presentation.
Of
course,
it'll
be
online,
also
send
it
to
you,
an
email,
equal
population,
minority
voting
rights,
contiguity,
compactness
and
communities
of
interest.
These
are
the
five
things
that
we
think
of
now
when
it
comes
to
the
first
two
they're,
the
ones
that
are
most
important
when
it
comes
to
the
federal
law.
L
Federal
law
is
pretty
clear,
cut
on
those
being
the
most
important
and
there
are
different
standards
for
what
is
considered
equal
population
and
we'll
talk
about
it.
Minority
voting
rights
that
deals
with
the
voting
rights
act
we'll
talk
about
it.
Contiguity
precincts
must
be
contiguous
within
a
district.
You
can't
have
two
islands
compactness,
that's
the
shape
of
the
district.
L
The
district
shouldn't
look
like
snakes
or
or
pencils.
They
should
look
like
squares
or
circles
or
something
more
tight
to
the
center
and
then
communities
of
interest
communities
of
interest
with
the
public
really
focus
on.
You
know,
keeping
my
neighborhood
intact.
What
are
shared
values
and
interests
within
my
area?
L
L
L
Well,
we've
got
phd
statisticians
and
professors
on
this
board,
so
they
will
not
have
to
rack
their
brains
too
hard
because
to
calculate
the
ideal
population
is
the
simplest
type
of
math
imaginable.
L
You
simply
take
the
population
of,
in
this
case
the
city,
and
you
divide
it
by
the
number
of
districts
that
you
have,
which
is
four
okay,
so
the
ideal
population
of
a
district
ideally
is
so
we
have
a
87
000
population
divided
by
four.
Now
in
santa
fe,
as
you
know,
you
have
eight
city
councillors,
but
you
have
four
dual
member
districts
and
those
two
members
within
a
district
run
in
staggered
terms,
but
it's
still
four
districts,
and
so
the
ideal
population
of
a
district
would
be
the
81
876.
L
However,
you
are
allowed
some
leeway
and
the
leeway
comes
from
federal
case
law
and
from
state
statute
that
you
have
some
leeway
above
and
beyond
the
ideal
population.
What
is
that
leeway?
Well,
the
federal
case
law
tells
us
that
if
you
take
the
smallest
district
and
the
largest
district,
that
the
total
deviation
in
population
should
not
be
more
than
10
percent.
L
So
if
you
have
one
district,
that's
four
percent
higher
than
the
ideal
and
another
district,
that's
four
percent
lower
than
the
ideal.
Your
total
deviation
is
eight
percent
and
you're
way
within
the
norms,
according
to
federal
case
law,
but
the
state
statutes
have
been
more
specific
for
local
governments
and
that
they
require
that
the
deviation
shall
be
between
the
largest
and
the
smallest
district,
no
more
than
plus
or
minus
five
percent
from
the
ideal
population.
L
Minority
voting
rights
that
second
principle
do
not
dilute
the
voting.
Strength
of
ethnic
or
language.
Minority
groups
comes
out
of
the
voting
rights
act.
The
voting
right,
the
word
minority
is
a
census
term
is
a
voting
rights
act
term.
People
of
color
is
a
more
commonly
used
phrase
we'll
use
both
but
protected
groups
under
the
voting
rights
act,
native
americans,
african-americans,
hispanics
agents.
What
it's
really
all
about
is
giving
the
minority
population
an
opportunity
to
elect
a
candidate
of
their
choice.
It
doesn't
mean
a
hispanic
must
be
elected
from
a
hispanic
district.
L
Frankly,
it's
less
of
an
issue
in
santa
fe
to
the
extent
that
there
are
places
like
hobbs,
new
mexico
and
clovis
and
roswell,
where
there's
been
documentation
that
oftentimes
anglo-black
voting
prevents
hispanics
from
electing
candidates
of
a
choice,
there's
less
polarization
in
santa
fe,
but
we
can
guide
you
through
this
process.
L
L
So
here
you
see
a
beautiful
district
from
1991
in
north
carolina,
beautiful
being
sarcastic
in
which,
under
this
district,
the
african
americans,
in
this
case
were
were
were
concentrated
along
an
interstate
taking
different
african-american
communities
that
had
nothing
in
common
with
each
other
to
pack
them
into
one
district,
and
so
it's
it
it's
using
race
as
the
predominant
criteria
in
subordination
of
traditional
district
principles.
So
this
would
be
unconstitutional.
L
You
don't
want
to
pack
a
group
too
much
so
that
they
can't
have
more
representation.
You
don't
want
to
crack
a
group
too
much,
so
they
can't
get
any
pr
representation
and
we'll
talk
about
those
things
along
the
way.
L
Okay.
Compactness
was
one
of
the
principles
there
are.
We've
got
status
dishes
on
on
this
committee
and
we
can
go
through.
We
went
through
the
math
yesterday
in
our
albuquerque
meeting
and
saw
people's
head
spin.
The
bottom
line
is,
there
are
different
ways
to
measure
compactness.
None
are
perfect,
you
know
it.
When
you
see
it,
we
will
show
compactness
measures
if
necessary,
but
look
at
the
district
on
the
left.
That's
the
northern
district,
the
congressional
district
in
albuquerque
in
1991.
L
You
know
it's,
it's
relatively
compact,
it's
a
vast
district
that
covers
the
northern
half
of
the
state,
but
that's
only
because
population
density
was
stuffed
such
that
it
took
that
that
size
of
the
district
to
get
to
one
third
of
the
population
of
the
state
for
our
three
congressional
districts,
the
district
in
texas.
There,
you
can
see,
is
not
compact.
It
gets
down
to
black
level
and
point
level
contiguity
next
principle.
Contiguity.
L
Okay,
precincts
are
the
building
blocks.
You
don't
you
want
the
precincts
to
touch
at
some
point
in
space.
You
want
the
districts
to
touch
in
some
points
in
space,
so
districts,
a
b
and
c
are
contiguous
on
the
left
district.
A
is
not
contiguous
on
the
right
hand,
side,
because
district
a
has
two
separate
islands
in
which
there's
no
point
in
space
where
they
touch.
You
have
to
be
able
to
walk
your
district
without
leaving
it.
L
You
can't
walk
a
or
drive
a
car
with
you
leave
it,
and
so
it's
not
contiguous
that
district,
a
communities
of
interest
communities
of
interest
are
usually
what
the
the
public
focus
is
on.
You
know
there
are
other
factors
that
may
be
considered
when
drawing
districts
the
trick
to
communities
of
interest
is
different.
People
have
different
viewpoints
on
what
those
communities
of
interest
are
so
often
times.
You'll
hear.
Oh,
my
neighborhood
should
be
with
this
district,
or
my
neighborhood
should
be
with
that
district.
L
L
If,
if
you
want
to
keep
the
incumbents
unpaired
fine,
if
you
could
come
up
with
a
more
beautiful
plan
that
unfortunately
pairs
incumbents,
you
could
consider
it
that's
the
kind
of
debate
that
you'll
have
now
within
the
city
charter.
They
actually
prioritize
these
principles
and
they
put
them
in
a
rank
order
which
you
see
here
so
the
charter
says
number
one
on
your
mind
should
be
equal
population.
L
Two
minority
voting
rights
again
federal
case
law
tells
us
those
top
two
are
really
important
communities
of
interest,
they're,
saying
three
compactness
and
contiguity
four
and
then
within
the
charter.
It
says
compensate
for
undercounter
minorities.
Well,
we
don't
have
a
report
from
the
census
bureau
that
tells
us
where
the
specific
undercuts
are
and
what
streets
in
santa
fe
we
do
know
some
general
information
nationally.
L
The
case
law
is
clear:
you're
forced
to
use
the
the
the
census
results
for
better
or
worse.
We
could
talk
more
about
this
issue
and
some
ways
where
you
could
compensate
for
this.
We
don't.
We
only
talked
about
that
in
our
very
first
meeting,
but
I
do
want
to
mention
one
other
thing
on
that
slide
and
that
is
oftentimes.
L
There
are
tensions
between
these
principles.
Let's
say
you
really
want
to
keep
a
neighborhood
intact,
but
to
do
so
really
moves
you
away
from
the
ideal
population,
or
it
makes
the
compactness
not
look
as
good,
maybe
you're.
Moving
off
of
a
major
street
like
cereals
and
and
going
crossing
over
just
to
keep
a
neighborhood
intact,
so
there's
tensions
between
these
there's,
no
such
thing
as
the
perfect
plan,
and
and
it's
up
to
you
to
decide,
and
you
have
some
prioritization
here
of
what
takes
precedence
within
the
ordinance.
L
It
also
lays
out
the
city
ordinance
that
you
may
assign
appropriate
weight
to
minimizing
precinct
splits
again
precincts
are
the
building
blocks
for
running
elections,
they're
also
the
building
blocks
for
redistricting.
Now,
over
the
last
10
years,
the
santa
fe
county
has
added
a
lot
more
precincts.
We
have
a
lot
more
building
blocks
than
five
or
ten
years
ago,
so
that
probably
won't
become
a
big
issue
and
then
minimizing
voter
confusion
in
switching
elected
officials
into
different
districts.
You
can
take
that
into
account
according
to
the
city
ordinance.
L
Okay.
So
if
we
look
at
santa
fe
the
city
of
santa
fe's
population
in
2010
it
was
67
748
and
if
we
look
at
the
population
in
the
2020
data,
87
505
change
of
19
000
percent
change.
29
now,
we've
even
seen
newspaper
articles
saying
that
santa
fe
is
the
largest
city
growth
among
the
major
cities,
and
it
is,
however,
it's
really
important
to
recognize
it's
not
all.
L
Due
to
dynamic
natural
and
migration
growth
in
the
middle
in
2014,
in
between
the
two
censuses
santa
fe
had
that
annexation
and
added
13
200
people,
so
part
of
the
growth
between
the
decades
was
the
annexation.
Then
there's
also
some
natural
growth.
There's
some
migration
growth.
But
it's
important
to
recognize
and-
and
one
thing
that's
really
critical-
is
that
those
people-
the
13
200
people
that
were
annexed
into
the
city
they
were
accounted
for
in
the
2015
census,
redistricting.
L
That's
why
they
annic
that's
why
they
redistricted
in
2015
to
get
those
people
in
so
the
shifts
may
not
be
as
dramatic
as
you
think,
because
of
the
mid-decade
districting,
but
just
to
show
you
what
the
population
stats
look
like.
If
we
look
at
2015
using
2010
census
data
after
the
annexation,
a
population
was
81,
000,
2020
census,
87
000..
So
the
change
since
that
annexation,
6400
and
those
are
people
who
haven't
been
accounted
for
and
that
percent
change
between
2015
and
2020
was
that
7.9.
L
Okay,
thank
goodness,
we
have
a
lot
of
smart
people
on
this
committee
who,
I
know,
can
absorb
that
information.
That's
fantastic!
Here's
the
racial
data
for
santa
fe,
2020
census.
Now
we
talked
about
total
population.
L
We
talked
about
that's
what
you
have
to
use
to
adjust
the
boundaries
to
equalize
them,
but
when
it
comes
to
voting
rights,
act
issues
when
it
comes
to
looking
like,
for
example,
do
we
have
a
majority
hispanic
district
where
we
want
it
to
be
there?
You
look
at
the
adult
percent
hispanic
adult
percent
african-american,
adult
percent
asian
native
american,
et
cetera,
because
under
the
voting
rights
act
when
it
comes
to
creating
allowing
voters
an
opportunity,
elected
candidate
choice,
they
look
at
voting
age.
It's
called
that
voting
age
population.
So
here
we're
looking
at
adult
population.
L
If
we
looked
at
total
population
typically,
the
percent
hispanic
would
rise
by
two
or
three
points,
because
hispanics
tend
to
have
more
children.
Whites
tend
to
be
older
and
have
fewer
kids
in
santa
fe.
So
here
are
the
numbers.
In
fact,
the
percent
hispanic
has
gone
down
in
santa
fe
over
the
decade.
L
L
So
look
at
what
district
one
actually
falls
within
the
plus
or
minus
five
percent
district
two
is
just
outside
the
plus
or
minus
five
district.
Three
is
just
a
tiny
bit
outside
the
plus
or
minus
5.
and
the
growth
in
santa
fe.
Since
the
last
districting
has
been
in
district
4,
southern
santa
fe,
it's
up
12.69.
L
So
in
albuquerque
10
years
ago,
one
of
the
districts
was
49
percent
too
large
on
the
west
side
and
they
had
earthshakingly
dramatic
things
to
do
this
time.
Theirs
was
not
as
dramatic
as
well.
These
districts
that
we're
looking
at
that
are
the
current
districts
were
the
ones
that
were
adopted
by
the
committee
in
2015.
L
They
did
do
it
by
consensus
and
a
unanimous
vote.
The
districts
as
you
can
tell,
are
in
district
one.
You
know.
Basically,
if
you
look
at
the
border
between
district
one
and
district,
two,
it's
mostly
cerius
road
and
then
east
alameda
and
canyon.
Road
are
bordering
district
one
in
district
two,
so
district
one
is
sort
of
a
plaza
downtown
east
side,
going
down
west
alameda
and
cerrillos
down
to
sila
road
kind
of
district.
It's
compact
and
it's
taking
the
northern
parts,
be
north
of
alameda
and
canyon,
road
and
then
district.
Two.
L
If
you
look
at
the
boundaries
between
district,
two
and
district
four,
pretty
much
you're
looking
at
yucca
and
and
yano,
there
are
the
borders
there
between
district
two
and
four,
it's
district.
Two,
you
know:
has
st
michael's
drive
running
through
the
heart
of
it
and
again
everything
south
of
cerritos
and
alameda's
in
district
two
right
down
to
I-25
district
4
is
a
southern
santa
fe
district,
also
boarded
by
I-25.
L
Now
district
4
10
years
ago,
didn't
have
enough
population,
so
it
did
cross
over
cerrillos
road
to
pick
up
population.
Now
that
district
4
is
too
large,
we
can
see
it
backing
down
a
little
when
it
crosses
syria's
road
as
one
of
your
concepts
and
making
district
4
a
little
more
compact
shrink
the
boundaries.
This
is
too
large
district.
L
We
would
then
also
look
at
the
race
data
and
explain
to
you
other
aspects
worthy
of
your
consideration.
So
that's
pretty
much
it.
We
don't
need
to
get
into
in
this
meeting
the
the
racial
stuff,
although
the
the
tables
that
follow
this
in
the
slideshow
you'll
be
able
to
look
it
for
homework
and
that
we'll
be
able
to
discuss
in
the
next
meeting.
I
can't
resist
while
we're
here,
though
michael
on
district
3,
18
plus
adult
we.
L
Currently,
there
are
two
hispanic
majority
districts:
district,
three,
the
tier
contenta
area,
74
hispanic
and
then
district
four
among
adults,
53.8
hispanic
there
are
racial
divides
in
santa
fe.
A
lot
of
it
does
fall
on
the
saint
francis
drive,
where
there
are
more
higher
percent
hispanic
districts
to
the
west
of
saint
francis
and
then
more
anglo
districts,
different
socioeconomic
status
and
african-american
community
more
distributed,
and
so
we
see
we
saw
earlier.
L
The
african-american
population
within
the
whole
city
is
among
adults
is
nine
tenths
of
one
percent
and
if
you
look
at
it
by
district,
it's
distributed
pretty
equally
among
the
districts
as
well
same
with
the
asian
population,
but
so
really
and
there's
one
or
two
other
tables,
but
that
you
can
look
at
that.
That
concludes
our
presentation.
We've
gone
over
the
principles
we've
shown
you,
the
population,
shifts
since
the
last
redistricting,
where
the
ideal
populations
look
like,
and
the
next
step
would
be
either
having
another
meeting.
L
Where
you
give
us
guidance
or
at
that
meeting
we
show
some
concepts
to
get
your
reaction
and
then
for
you
to
give
us
our
orders
to
to
go
from
there.
A
I'm
happy
to
move
forward
in
this
meeting.
I
mean
at
this
point.
The
really
item
would
be
matters
from
the
committee.
So
if
you
wanted
to
discuss
how
you
would
like
to
take,
as
brian
mentioned
the
next
meeting
and
then
of
course,
matters
from
the
chair
and
scheduling
the
next
meeting,
so
it's
really
up
to
you.
E
Let
me
just
make
a
couple
of
comments
and
then
we'll
let
the
whole
committee
share
their
viewpoints.
So
I
I
guess
I
want
to
thank
chris
first
of
all
for
nominating
me,
I'm
not
quite
sure
if
I
should
be
thanking
him
yet,
but
we'll
see,
but
thank
you
chris.
I
appreciate
that
and
I
just
want
to
say
I'm
very
happy
to
be
here
and
I
think
we
will
work
collaboratively
as
a
group.
E
We
all
have
equal
voices
and
we
all
have
great
viewpoints
and
I
think,
working
together
collaboratively,
we
can
come
up
with
good
information
and
and
having
brian
lead
us
in
terms
of
the
the
data,
I'm
confident
that
we
will
get
to
to
a
good
place
where,
hopefully,
we
can
be
unanimous
in
our
presentation
and
and
having
said
that,
I
just
have
a
couple
of
housekeeping
questions
christine
in
terms
of
you
guys
are
keeping
minutes
do.
Does
somebody
need
to
do
that?
Are
you
doing
that?
E
I
looked
at
the
the
statutes
and
it
talked
about
a
budget.
Do
we
need
to
know
anything
about
a
budget
and
then
also
another
question
I
have
in
terms
of
compliance
in
terms
of
open
meetings?
Do
we
have
someone
making
sure
we're
all
taking
care
of
that?
Those
are
my
questions
and
then
then
I
want
to
open
it
up
to
members
to
to
to
maybe
perhaps
provide
comments
about
what
brian
shared
and
the
direction
that
we're
looking
at
and
some
questions
they
may
have
for
brian.
So.
A
Yeah,
I'm
happy
chair
ortiz
to
step
in
on
that
we
do
take
minutes,
I'm
noting
all
of
the
votes
and
motions.
So
we
will
have
summary
minutes
for
this
commission
to
approve
at
the
next
meeting.
We
also,
as
I
noted,
have
this
meeting
live
on
youtube,
so
the
meeting
is
being
streamed,
live
on
youtube
and
the
recording
will
stay
on
the
city
youtube
channel
for
reference.
I
think,
which
is
also
very
helpful
as
well,
and
then
I
think
you
asked
about
open
meetings
act.
A
We
do
notice
this
meeting
in
compliance
with
that.
It
is
posted
on
our
website
accessible
agenda.
All
and
again,
the
summary
minutes
that
you
will
approve
fall
in
line
with
that,
but
we
do
follow
the
72-hour
agenda
notification
and
this
meeting
was
included
on
the
weekly
meeting
list
for
for
the
city
clerk's
office
as
well.
A
I
think,
as
far
as
budget
the
budget
allocation
is
to
hire
the
consultant
in
this
case,
so
we
do
have
that
secured
and
that
was
done
in
advance
of-
or
I
guess
I
wouldn't
say
in
advance,
but
almost
simultaneously
to
the
I
just
lost
my
train
of
thought
to
when
we
were
soliciting
members.
Excuse
me
for
the
commission,
so
we
ran
both
of
those
kind
of
simultaneously,
but
that
was
the
funding
allocated
for
that
and
then
the
clerk's
office
clerk,
slash
community
engagement
office
will
support
as
necessary
for
outreach
our
office.
A
E
Good
thank
you
for
those
responses.
I
appreciate
that
and
then
the
other
question
for
you
before
we
open
it
up
to
the
floor,
to
let
everyone
speak
in
terms
of
future
meetings
are,
do
you?
Does
the
city
already
have
a
schedule
for
future
meetings
for
all
the
four
hearings,
or
is
that
something
that
we
as
a
group
will
determine,
and
so
okay
you're,
not
shaking
that?
Yes,
we'll
determine
that.
E
So
as
members
speak,
perhaps
in
addition
to
providing
comments
about
brought
mr
sandov's
presentation,
maybe
you
can
voice
your
opinion
in
terms
of
future
meetings
and
the
timelines
for
that.
Do
we-
and
I
guess
I'm
also
curious
christine
what
kind
of
time
frame
do
we
have
to
do
all
of
this?
Is
it
a
six
month
period?
It
is
a
two
month.
What
are
we
looking
at
and
that
will
be
helpful
for
us
to
give
you
some
feedback
in
terms
of
when
we
want
to
hold
our
meetings.
A
A
A
I'll
double
check
is
july
13th.
There
would
be
a
presentation
of.
A
So
that
puts
us
on
about
a
three
month
timeline
for
this
process.
We
don't
have
the
commission
meetings
scheduled
out.
That's
really
up
to
the
commission,
the
frequency
that
you'd
like
to
meet
and
work
through,
and
then
the
neighbor
or
excuse
me,
and
then
the
community
meetings
are
also
not
scheduled
in
advance.
We
really
rely
on
the
commission
to
decide
the
kind
of
status
and
what
it's
based
off
presentation
too
pearl
go
ahead.
Sorry,
yeah.
F
On
that
topic,
I
was
going
to
ask
brian
or
raise
the
question
about.
Let's
see,
where
did
I
go
yeah
about
the
timing?
The
ordinance
seems
to
read
that
this
process
has
to
be
complete
completed
three
months
before
the
election
and
the
election
is
november.
8Th,
I
believe,
is
what
is
the
next
election
date.
A
Not
this
year,
so
we
just
had
an
election
in
2021
that
started
terms
in
2022
and
then
we'll
have
another
election
in
2023.
Oh.
L
Yeah,
the
the
state
statute
requires
that
local
governments
that
hold
their
elections
pursuant
to
the
local
election
act
shall
complete
their
process
in
the
year
after
the
census.
Data
are
released
so
from
the
state
viewpoint.
It
has
to
be
done
this
year
from
the
city
viewpoint.
If
they
want
to
set
a
voluntary
date
of
let's
say
mid
july,
then
that
would
be
a
goal
that
could
be
set,
but
from
the
state
viewpoint
it
has
to
be
done
this
year.
Mid-July
would
be
a
aggressive
but
responsible
goal
to
me.
B
B
It
just
says
that
a
districting
plan
shall
be
established
within
one
year
of
receipt
by
the
city
of
the
final
federal
decennial
census
information,
and
so
that
census
information
was
released
on
august
12th
and
so
just
by
reading
that
it
seems,
like
that's,
a
clear
deadline.
So
if
you
get
the
city
council,
you
know
your
the
commission's
report
by
july
13th
you
easily
meet
meet
that
deadline.
Great.
E
F
I
had
one
more
question
and
maybe
brian
can
explain
it.
You
referenced
public
meetings,
the
ordinance
references
public
hearings.
Are
they
one
in
the
same
for
our
purposes.
G
L
Okay,
the
ordinance
speaks
to
abiding
by
the
open
meetings
act,
so
you'd
have
to
you
know,
have
your
agendas
posted
three
days
before
the
meeting
and
things
like
that.
E
E
Is
that
correct,
so
that
we
can
make
sure
that
they're,
publicized
and
and
fall
within
that
timeline
and
and
I'm
sure
brian,
you
have
a
better
idea
of
how
much
time
ahead
of
our
hearings,
we
need
to
work
as
a
committee
to
get
all
the
options
and
some
of
the
suggestions
that
you're
presenting
to
us
that
we
can
understand
them,
and
is
that
so
this
schedule
this
calendar?
Do
we
do
this
in
this
committee,
or
is
that
something
that
we
do
offline.
L
For
that
would
be
up
to
you,
the
la
in
2015,
it
was
they
didn't
pre-schedule
meetings
and
sometimes
they
met
every
two
weeks
if
they
felt
they
had
an
emergency,
they
would
meet
sooner,
but
pre-scheduling
does
allow
everybody
to
plan
in
advance
both
for
your
own
work
schedules
and
for
others.
You
know
as
an
example
having
at
least
two
weeks
between
meetings
would
we
need
a
chance
to
be
able
to
draw
new
plans
based
on
your
feedback
and
get
those
plans
posted
up
online.
L
So
I
think,
having
meetings
every
two
weeks
or
every
three
weeks
three
weeks
may
not
cut
it,
given
your
deadline
or
most
of
them
every
two
weeks
and
some
every
three
michael.
What
do
you
think.
B
So
we
just
want
to
make
sure
that
you
know,
as
the
commission
is
deliberating,
that
those
deliberations
happened
during
the
course
for
the
open
meeting
and
not
necessarily
in
email
chains,
and
so
that's
just
something
to
I
think,
be
cognizant
of
as
we
communicate.
E
Really
good
point
and
thank
you
for
that
guidance
in
terms
of
perhaps
scheduling
meetings
every
two
weeks
and
then
the
comment
on
the
open
meetings
in
terms
of
the
requirements
christine.
I
I
don't
know
if
information
was
sent
to
everyone
regarding
open
meetings,
it's
more
familiar
to
some
than
to
others
and
can
get
kind
of
convoluted
if
we
can
get
ourselves
into
trouble.
E
If
we
don't
understand
that,
so
I
want
to
make
sure
that
the
members
on
the
committee
have
enough
information
regarding
open
meetings
at
what,
in
terms
of
what
to
do,
and
what
not
to
do
so
make
sure
that
we're
you
know
following
the
law
and
then
the
other
question
I
have
is
regarding.
Are
we
going
to
do
our
meetings
in
zoo
all
the
time
or
are
we
going
to
get
to
a
point
where
it's
going
to
be
face
to
face.
A
A
Some
meetings
to
in
person
in
april,
or
excuse
me
in
may-
may
11th,
so
that's
more
specific
to
the
governing
body
and
the
three
council
committees,
but
just
for
your
own
awareness
that
those
really
are
some
of
the
questions
that
we're
looking
to
the
commission
for
we're
happy
to
support
those.
If
meetings
are
more
convenient
for
this
body
in
the
morning
on
a
tuesday,
we
will
look
to
accommodate
that.
But
really
those
are
some
of
the
questions,
including
the
frequency.
A
We
also
can
send
information
about
the
open
meetings
act.
As
you
all
know,
I
think
in
my
communication
I
either
email
individually
or
will
blind
copy
everybody
so
that
we
don't
inadvertently
create
a
rolling
forum.
Thank
you,
michael
for
bringing
that
up,
and
I
was
actually
going
to
make
the
recommendation
that
some
of
those
discussions
happen
as
a
group
in
the
in
this
meeting.
A
So
that
we
avoid
those
types
of
quorum
issues,
because
you
are
limited
to
the
number
of
individuals
that
can
discuss
something
and
if
you
were
to
meet
in
one
group
and
discuss
something
and
then
lily,
may
you
were
to
go
report
to
another
group
that
is
considered
a
rolling
form
and
that's
not
allowable.
So
the
preference
is
really
that
discussion
takes
place
as
a
group
and
then
sorry,
brian,
just
one
more
quick
question.
H
A
One
more
quick
note
is
the
july.
13Th
date
was
based
off
of
the
agreement
that
the
city
clerk's
office
entered
into
with
research
and
polling
for
this
work.
So
it's
not
to
say
that
the
date
can't
be
changed.
That's
just
where
that
date
came
from.
It
was
based
off
of
our
our
initial
agreement,
with
the
contractor
for
the
for
the
consultant
for
work
done.
So
if,
if
the
desire
was
to
extend
by
you
know
two
weeks
or
we
could
definitely
look
at
accommodating
that.
L
Yeah
ten
year
in
2015,
the
committee
settled
on
commission
settled
on
thurs
keeping
them
all
on
thursdays
and
keeping
them
all
at
three
had
to
have
the
same
time
for
consistency.
L
That's
that
was
what
was
done
then,
and
again
most
the
meetings
were
every
two
weeks
that
july
13th
date.
If
it
has
to
move
two
weeks,
I
guess
we
can
wait
and
see
if
you
have
your
work
done
and
then,
similarly,
if
everything's
going
great,
you
can
always
cancel
one
of
the
meetings
and
and
go
four
weeks
in
between.
So
I
think
there's
some
flexibility
there.
L
The
city
of
albuquerque,
does
that
they
they've
set
meetings
on
certain
dates,
but
on
some
of
them
they
wrote
down
if
necessary
and
and
that
way
they
could
give
advanced
notice
and
say
certain
meetings
may
or
may
not
occur.
Just
based
on
the
speed
in
which
the
smoothness
things
are
going.
E
Great
great
comments,
brian
thank
you,
brian
and
thank
you
christina.
I
think
you've
really
given
us
some
good
guidance
or
so
so
the
commission.
It
sounds
like
we're
being
given
information
that
suggests
a
meeting
every
two
weeks
to
get
started
to
see
how
we're
moving
forward
and
then,
if
we
continue
wanting
to
meet
like
today,
thursday
at
three,
I
think
it
does
make
sense
for
planning
at
least
my
schedule
if
I
know
when
the
next
meetings
are
set
up.
So
that's
the
recommendation
from
brian
and
christine
every
two
weeks,
thursday.
F
I
I'm
fine
with
that,
and
I
I
works
for
me
and
I
think
it
if
it
works
for
everybody
else.
It'd
be
great,
and
may
I
add
one
more
question
along
the
way.
That's
why
I
raised
my
hand,
the
four
public
meetings
or
public
hearings
that
the
public
weighs
in
where
we,
where
the
various
plans
are
presented.
F
Those
can't
be
two
weeks
apart.
I
don't
think
because
those
I
would
presume
were
presenting
the
same
plan
sets
of
plans
to
the
public
at
the
previous
commission,
did
them
in
three
or
four
different,
four
different
locations
around
town
when
they
were
having
public
meetings
in
person.
F
B
I
I
recall
traveling
to
I
believe
it
was
the
library,
dan
and
tierra
contenda.
I
believe.
F
B
So
I
know
that's
the
one
I
remember
there
could
have
been
others.
It
has
been
a
number
of
years,
but
we
did
go
around
and
I
don't
know
if
we
attended
each
one
of
the
we'll
call
them
regional
meetings
for
lack
of
a
better
term
right,
but
we,
you
know,
we
showed
all
the
plans.
We
took
comments
at
every
single
meeting
at
future
meetings.
We
we
brought
revisions
to
the
plans
and
so
with
respect
to
the
process,
I
think
brian
touched
on
it
just
just
to
clarify.
B
You
know,
we'll
show
the
plans
during
a
a
public
meeting,
a
public
hearing,
slash
meeting
and
at
that
meeting
the
the
opportu
the
public
have
an
opportunity,
the
board,
their
commission
members
will
have
an
opportunity
to
suggest
comments
and
maybe
suggestions
or
changes
to
the
plans
and
we'll
bring
revisions
to
the
next
meeting.
Wherever
that
meeting
happens
to
be,
and
that
process
just
continues
until
you
adopt
a
plan
so.
L
A
Marco
said,
you
have
your
hand
up
so
anytime.
Our
attorney
raises
their
hand.
I
usually
go
to
them
directly
and
then
I
have
a
few
comments
around
the
public
process
and
meetings
as
well,
so
marcos
I'll.
Let
you.
M
Thank
you.
So
I'm
just
looking
at
the
code
on
this
independent
citizens,
redistricting,
commission
and
it
appears
to
contemplate
seven
different
meetings
at
least
and
so
the
less
this
meeting
there
would
be
six
more.
The
first
one
is
to
name
the
chairperson
and
vice
chairperson,
the
second
one.
It
asks
for
one
public
hearing
or
public
meeting
to
provide
instruction
to
the
consultant
for
the
development
of
a
preliminary
districting
plan
or
plans.
M
So
I
think
this
is
where
this
commission
would
give
kind
of
direction
to
research
and
polling,
and
then
then
those
four
hearings
would
happen
and
then,
finally,
a
minimum
of
one
public
meeting
to
vote
on
a
final
districting
plan
after
you've
gotten
the
public
input.
So
that's
that's
six
more
meetings.
M
I
think
we
could
work
backwards
from
when
we
we
anticipate
this
commission's
work
to
be
done
and
sort
of
sketched
out.
That
way
might
be
one
way
to
to
do
it,
but
I
just
want
to
give
you
that
information
based
off
of
the
direction
in
the
code,
so
one
more
for
direction
to
the
consultant
one
meeting
for
direction
to
the
consultant
for
meetings.
M
I
think,
ideally,
as
mr
bruckner
has
indicated,
that
was
to
be
held
in
the
different
districts,
but
with
zoom
that
might
not
be
as
important
or
maybe
it
still
is
important.
That
would
be
up
for
you
to
decide
and
then
a
meeting
at
least
one
meeting
separate
from
the
four
to
vote
on
the
final
districting
plan.
L
And
mr
martinez,
if
I
may
ask
you
a
question
so
in
our
general
experience
in
that
second
meeting,
where
we're
getting
direction,
we
also
show
some
initial
concepts
to
sort
of
speed
it
up
as
well
as
we
find
that
people
like
to
react
to
things
and
it's
easier
for
them
to
tell
us
what
they
like
and
they
don't
like
than
it
is
for
us
for
them
to
come
up
with
their
own
plans.
Would
that
be
inconsistent
with
the
statute?
M
No,
not
at
all,
I
I
don't
think
that
that
would
be
inconsistent
at
all.
I
think
that
that
this
dialogue
is
important
for
you.
You
know
to
provide
the
information
so
that
the
the
commission
can
ask
the
right
questions
and
then
give
you
back
the
feedback,
but
that's
just
how
I
I
I
sort
of
read
this:
the
ordinance.
A
Marcos
actually
touched
on
it
a
little
bit,
but
I
will
know
that
I
think
two
points
one
in
the
communication
we
sent
out.
I
did
send
a
link
to
the
code
specific
to
the
redistricting
commission.
If
you
hadn't
have
not
had
a
chance
to
read
through
that,
I
absolutely
encourage
each
member
to
do
so
and
we
reference
it
often.
But
one
note
that
I
was
going
to
say
is
the
last
time:
they're
redistricting,
commission
matt.
We
didn't
have
the
technology
in
place
that
we
do
now.
A
So
it
is
true
that
if
the
meetings
were
to
be
held
on
zoom
or
in
a
place
in
which
we
could
have
the
recordings,
they
will
stay
on
youtube
and
if
the
decision
was
made
to
go
out
into
the
public
to
any
specific
meetings,
the
code
doesn't
distinguish
districts
or
areas.
So
I
think
we
have
some
flexibility
with
technology
and
again
these
are.
A
These
are
just
suggestions,
but
also
the
hearings
are
public
facing.
Of
course,
the
meetings
by
default
because
of
the
open
meetings,
act
and
technology
are
also
open
to
the
public
as
well.
We
don't
have
public
comment
on
this
agenda,
but
just
if
anyone
someone
could
be
watching
this
meeting
live
right
now
and
be
participating
in
again
the
presentations
and
so
forth.
We
can
keep
posted
on
the
website
and
also,
if
there's
any
additional
technology
that
you'd
like
to
explore
for
feedback.
A
I'm
thinking
of
surveys
or
social
media
engagement
we're
happy
to
help
with
that
as
well.
So
I
guess
my
long-winded
point
is
that
technology
is
now
our
friend
and
I'm
our
office
is
absolutely
willing
to
support
any
additional
feedback
or
engagement
that
this
commission
would
like.
So.
E
Thank
you
christine.
I
think.
That's,
that's
a
that's
a
good
pitch
for
continuing
on
zoom,
because
we
might
reach
more
people
and
have
a
lot
more
information
to
present
to
them
and
the
convenience
of
their
home.
So
I,
if
the
commission
agrees
to
that,
we
should
consider
continuing
on
zoom
as
we
move
forward.
Chrissy.
Sorry.
A
Just
one
quick,
no,
it
is
we
might.
The
only
thing
I
might
recommend
is
that
for
any
of
the
public
hearings,
so
the
meetings
really
geared
toward
the
public.
A
F
The
2015
four
public
meetings
were
at
5
30
in
the
afternoon.
From
what
I
read
in
the
newspaper.
E
I
I
that's
a
good
point.
I
I
think
it's
always
good
to
have
public
meetings
in
the
evening
to
allow
all
those
that
are
working
or
anyone
that
has
wants
an
opportunity
to
join
us
so
that
they
can
but
good
point
burl.
I
want
a
clarification,
maybe
from
our
attorney.
Mr
martinez,
am
I
to
understand
that
this
commission
has
the
next
meeting
to
understand
and
react
to
mr
sanderoff's
presentation,
and
then
we
have
a
hearing
right
after
that
and
and
then
start
building
and
detracting
or
adding
to
the
proposal
at
the
hearings.
M
M
H
I
Sorry,
madam
chair,
thank
you.
I
just
had
a
clarifying
question.
I'm
you
know
we
have
seen
in
other
jurisdictions
that
the
committee
and
the
public
sort
of
work
together.
You
know
the
public
comes
in
and
and
makes
comments,
but
then
the
committee
can
also
sort
of
provide
feedback
and
make
comments
at
the
same
meeting.
Is
that
something
that
seems
allowable
under
the
ordinance
and
is
that
something
the
committee
would
consider
to
to
not
have
quite
so
many
meetings.
E
I
would
guess,
unless
christine
jim
said,
I
would
guess,
that's
the
discretion
of
this
committee
to
determine
our
format
if
we
want
to
have
comments
by
the
commissioners.
At
the
same
time,
we're
presenting
brian
and
his
group
has
presented
it
to
the
community.
E
We
certainly
can
do.
I
think
either
way.
My
question
to
brian
is:
is
it
best
for
a
commission
to
have
one
meeting
two
meetings
and
understand
what
you're
presenting
and
then
go
with
that
clear
package
that
we
all
understand
to
the
community
and
let
the
community
react
to
us
and
provide
their
comments
and
us
be
silent
and
just
listen?
What
is
what
do
you
see
it
as
most
successful
in
your
experience.
L
I
I
think,
as
brittany
said,
I
think
both
can
happen
concurrently
at
the
next
meeting.
We
could
get
more
direction
from
you,
but
we
could
show
concepts
and
get
direction
about
those
concepts
and
we
can
refine
them
and
then
once
those
other
public
meetings
begin
they're,
seeing
at
least
a
version
where
we
presented
some
concepts
to
you,
you
told
us
what
you
liked
and
didn't
like,
and
what
we
should
tweak
and
take
that
show
on
the
road.
Then,
in
all
the
other
meetings,
you
would
have
an
opportunity
to
comment
on
the
next
iterations.
L
The
public
would
have
an
opportunity
to
comment
on
the
next
iterations
and
and
and
if
you
think
that
the
public's
comments
were
very
valid
and
you
say
to
us
yeah.
We
like
that
idea.
Why
don't
you
drop
a
plan
based
on
that
member
of
the
public
or
a
particular
committee
member
wants
to
tweak
a
plan.
We
would
continue
that
iterative
process.
L
B
F
I
may-
and
maybe
mr
fernandez
can
help
us
with
this
at
that
next
meeting,
if
that's
the
one
that
is
envisioned
for
the
instruction
to
the
consultant
for
the
development
of
a
preliminary
districting
plan
or
plans
that
is
listed
as
a
public
hearing,
so
I
think
we're
obligated
to
hear
from
the
public
at
that
meeting
as
well.
F
My
suggestion
would
be
two
weeks
from
today.
We
have
that
meeting
april
21st
and
maybe
then
between
then
and
coming
up
with
a
final
plan
or
plans
to
present
at
public
meetings.
We
have
one
more
meeting:
that's
not
considered
a
public
hearing
in
between
where
we
can
engage
in
our
own
discussion
and
then
give
research
in
polling
further
guidance
towards
plans.
That
might
then
be
the
four
public
meeting
plans
or
go
into
that
process.
E
E
E
F
Yeah,
that's
the
one
that
would
comply
with
be
intended
to
comply
with
f2
of
city
code
that
that
would
be
the
hearing,
and
I
would
I
think,
it's
a
good
idea
for
research
in
polling
to
come
to
us
with
their
suggestions
that
we
can
then
comment
on
and
the
public
can
comment
on
as
a
first
round
effort.
A
Was
just
going
to
note
that
that
sounds
good
and
we
can
add
a
public
hearing
or
a
public
comment
to
the
agenda
for
that
meeting,
so
that
you
can
have
your
discussion
and
then
similar
to
this.
The
agenda
that
we
utilized
for
today
after
matters
from
the
chair
or
before
we
could
designate
a
time
for
a
public
comment
or
as
a
public
hearing
and
then
we'll
get
that
also
noted
and
sent
out.
A
Although
oh
shoot,
I
just
lost
my
bookmark
marcos.
I
just
want
to
confirm,
though,
that
under
f2
the
commission
shall
conduct
a
minimum
of
one
public
hearing
to
provide
instruction
to
the
consultant.
A
So
at
the
april
21st
meeting,
my
thought
would
be
that
we
would
have
the
item
on
the
agenda
for
public
comment.
After
the
presentations
from
research
and
polling
and
after
the
commission
has
had
an
opportunity
to
discuss,
they
could
then
receive
public
feedback
at
that
time.
For
participation
is
that
how
that's
how
I
read,
but
I'm
not
dude?
A
M
I
I
think
that
that's
entirely
within
your
discretion,
I
don't
think
that
that
makes
sense
to
me,
though,
from
a
common
sense
point
of
view.
Thank
you.
E
I
just
want
to
make
shh,
let
me
see
gary,
you
have
your
hand.
C
E
Well,
that's
I'm
glad
you
asked
that
question
because
I'm
trying
to
understand
that
it
sounds
like
that's
what
I
just
heard
explained,
I'm
just
wondering
if
it's
too
soon
on
april
21st,
when
we
are
getting
under
when
we're
understanding
and
getting
presented
by
mr
sanderoff
and
this
group
information
and
we're
reacting
to
it.
C
Mine,
that's
my
feeling,
because
I
think
that
the
I
think
that
the
commission
will
have
a
lot
of
questions
and
comments
about
line.
Drawing
and
about
you
know
the
component
parts.
You
know
the
five
specific
component
parts
of
redistricting
that
have
to
be
considered
in
the
drawings
and
that
may
that
may
be
a
little
bit
too
confusing
for
public
or
adding
public
comment
on
on
that
as
well.
So
I
think
we
should
get
the
first
set
of
drawings
done
and
then
look
at
bringing
the
public
in
good.
L
In
theory,
that
sounds
great,
our
experience
is
that
the
more
you
allow
the
public
to
comment,
the
less
subject,
criticism
you
will
be
okay,
and
so
that's
something
to
consider
some
communities
limit
public
comment
to
that
early
meeting
to
two
minutes
or
three
minutes
to
give
people
an
opportunity.
Probably
the
ball
hadn't
been
rolling
that
much
and
there
probably
be
very
few
people
at
that
first
meeting
anyway,
and
so
you
just
need
to
consider
the
fact
that
whether
you
want
to
hold
yourself
to
possible
public
criticism.
L
A
Well,
sorry,
I
do
just
want
to
note
that
the
code
actually
says
public
hearing
to
provide
instruction
to
the
consultant.
So
I.
A
Feel
like
public
hearing
or
public
comment
could
be
on
the
agenda,
but
that
was
kind
of
my
recommendation
for
the
structure
of
the
agenda.
It
would
be
very
similar
to
if
we
just
had
this
meeting
and
the
next
item
on
the
agenda
would
be
public
comment.
So
I
do
want
to
know
that
the
agenda
can
absolutely
help
guide
the
structure
of
the
meeting
and
then
for
an
example.
A
This
meeting
the
next
item
on
the
agenda
after
discussion
from
the
committee
could
be
comment
from
the
public,
but
section
f2
does
know
one
public
hearing
to
provide
instruction
to
the
consultant
for
the
development
of
a
preliminary
districting
plan
or
plans
so
marcos.
If
that
is
incorrect
or
if
I'm
and
the
other
thing
I
just
want
to
know
which
is
then
for
item
three
f
three,
those
could
be
structured
differently
so
again
with
the
public
hearing.
A
Those
could
be
the
meetings
in
which
the
entire
presentation
or
the
agenda
immediately
went
to
presentation
of
plans
and
feedback.
So
just
in
the
structure
of
meetings
they
could
be.
Those
can
be
done
very
differently,
but
based
on
the
code,
I
I
don't
know
that
we
could
not
allow
public
comment
at
the
next
meeting
marcos.
Okay,.
D
Yes,
so
I'm
wondering,
wouldn't
it
be
a
good
idea
for
us
to
understand
the
plan
first
before
we
hold
a
public
meeting,
because
if
questions
are
being
fielded
to
us,
we
want
to
be
able
to
answer
some
of
those
questions,
provide
feedback
or
guidance.
So
I
feel
like
us
as
a
group.
You
know
we
need
to
understand
the
entire
process.
If
you
will
before
we
move
forward
and
bring
it
to
the
public
for
questions
and
feedback.
E
Good
question:
who
wants
to
feel
that
christine,
maybe
or
mr
martinez.
M
So
I
I
guess
you
know
I
would.
I
would
agree
with
what
christine
has
said
about
using
the
agenda,
to
sort
of
give
some
structure
to
how
and
set
the
expectations
for
the
public.
M
These
meetings,
until
you're
really
presenting
the
plans
when
you
might
be
hearing
which
plan
there's
a
preference
for
when
you're
debating
between
potential
plans.
So
I
don't
think,
there's
great
harm
and
I
think,
there's
probably
more.
M
It's
probably
a
less
controversial
move
to
just
allow
a
public
comment
late
in
the
agenda.
At
the
next
meeting,
where,
where
you're
still,
you
know
recognizing
that
everyone
is
still
soliciting
information
and
trying
to
understand
what
the
plans
are
and
where
what
the
possibilities
are,
and
then
you
know
three
under
under
the
code
f3
that
everyone
is
talking
about.
That
is
much
more
specific.
It
talks
about
receiving
oral
and
written
comments.
M
I
think
we're
going
to
want
to
have
more
of
a
time
more
time
on
the
agenda
to
allow
the
public
to
speak
on
the
plans
as
they're
developed.
So
my
recommendation
would
be
to
allow
a
public
comment
late
in
the
agenda
at
the
next
meeting
and
as
as
both
christine
and
mr
sanderoff
have
noted,
and
then
and
then
you
know
looking
more
towards
those
particularized
meetings
where
you're
looking
at
plans,
probably
expecting
more
developed
or
robust
public
comment
at
that
those
meetings,
and
that's
just
my
my
two
cents.
M
C
And
the
way,
the
way
I'm
reading
it
and
and
having
been
on
like
charter
commissions
f2
allows
us
to
have
that
public,
but
the
predominant
voices
there
are
going
to
be
the
commission
members,
whereas
f3
the
predominant
voices
are
the
public
and
we
sort
of
step
back
a
little
bit
and
the
public
voice
is
really
aimed
at
the
consultant
or
giving
to
the
consultant
to
to
actually
be
the
respondent.
C
So,
in
my
view,
f2
does
not
preclude
a
public
voice.
It's
just
that
that
public
voice
is
minimized
to
the
commission
voice.
So
I
think
I'm
I
think
in
in
this
case
I'm
agreeing
with
with
the
attorney
martinez
here
and
and
how
I
read.
F2
and
f3.
F
And
I
agree
with
mr
martinez
and
christine
as
well
again
back
to
my
thought.
Yes,
the
comply
with
code
in
that
first
section
have
the
meeting
on
april
21st
and
have
the
public
be
able
to
participate,
and
I
think
that
gives
research
and
polling
folks
questions.
We
don't
have
to
be
the
experts
at
that
meeting.
We
as
the
commissioners
don't
have
to
be
the
experts.
F
The
experts
will
be
at
the
meeting
as
well
and
they
can
answer
field
any
questions
and
that's
why
I
further
suggested
the
meeting
two
weeks
later
before
the
public
meetings
get
fully
underway,
where
we
can
maybe
get
the
first
round
of
information
from
research
and
polling
and
have
our
own
meeting.
That
does
not
necessarily
have
public
comment
at
that
may
8th
meeting
and
then
then
go
into
the
the
public,
the
four
public
meetings
with
full-blown
public
participation,
if,
if
that
makes
sense
to
research
in
poland
to
brian
and
his
crew,.
L
But
and
often
times
in
the
early
meetings,
you
get
one
or
two
or
three
people,
but
at
least
they
have
the
opportunity.
I
agree
with
what
I
heard
about
the
the
first
meeting.
The
onus
is
more
on
the
board,
the
commission
members
to
be
asking
the
questions
and
the
public
can
have
their
say
if
they
have
something
to
say
and
then
the
subsequent
meetings
could
be
more
in
the
other
direction,
with
the
public
having
the
priority.
L
But
again
my
experience
has
been
one
agenda
item
always
being
public
comment
just
so
that
you
avoid
any
criticism
regarding
transparency.
E
Any
other
comments
and
commissioners,
I
don't
see
any
hands,
so
I've
always
been
told,
listen
to
your
attorneys
and
listen
to
the
experts,
because
they've
been
there
and
they've
done
it
and
they
know
what
they're
doing
so
and
as
a
former
board
member,
we
always
had
public
comment
at
the
end
of
our
meetings
and
and
and
it's
a
good
transparency
move.
I
think
it's
a
best
practice
and
in
our
first
two
meetings
having
and
as
christine
suggests,
just
structured
on
the
agenda.
At
the
end.
E
As
a
public
comment,
we
can
set
a
time
limit
and
we
could
simply
accept
comments
without
any
thought
of
responding.
E
It
could
be
just
an
opportunity
to
allow
individuals
to
speak
and
respond
and
react
to
what
we
presented
and
just
thank
them
for
their
presentation
or
whatever
they're
sharing
with
us,
but
we
don't
have
to
respond
to
them
so
that
that
would
give
the
the
public
an
opportunity
to
sit
in
on
all
our
meetings
and
have
a
comment
at
the
end
at
least
the
first
two
without
us
responding
and
then,
as
we
get
into
the
public
hearings.
Of
course,
there's
probably
going
to
be
some
dialogue
back
and
forth
between
our
experts
and
the
public.
F
E
A
No
ma'am
at
that
point
on
the
agenda.
At
this
point.
We
have
matters
from
the
committee.
I
think
that's
probably
what
we
were
just
wrapping
up
if
there's
any
matters
from
the
chair.
As
you've
noted,
we've
scheduled
the
next
two
meetings,
and
so,
if
you
don't
have
any
other
items
madam
chair,
then
we
could
adjourn.
E
The
only
question
I
have
and
I'll
also
defer
to
my
vice
chair-
do
the
vice
chair
and
I
need
to
meet
with
you,
christine
or
brian,
or
have
any
conversation
about
format
or
any
in
preparation
for
the
next
meetings
or
scheduling.
A
Madame
chair,
we
do
normally
meet
with
our
chairs
to
just
verify
the
agenda
and
any
presentations.
So
we're
happy
to
schedule
that
follow-up
meeting
with
you,
okay,.
E
Great
any
other
comments
from
commissioners.
E
Well,
I'm
excited,
I
think
we
have
our
work
cut
out
for
us.
What
do
you
think
and
we're
gonna
have
to
really
sharpen
our
pencils
and
pens
and
look
at
those
numbers,
and
when
will
we
be
getting
the
information
that
brian
presented
to
us
today?
You'll
email
that
to
us
in
the
next
day
or
two.
L
B
Right
yeah
we
can,
we
can
email
that
to
city
staff
and
then
and
then
they
can
be
disseminated
as
needed.
Perfect.
A
L
Right
and
the
presentation
does
have
a
couple
tables
at
the
end
that
we
didn't
go
over,
so
it
would
be
nice
for
all
of
you
to
pick
up
the
the
the
the
electronic
version
that
that
staff
will
send
you
as
well
an
attachment,
maybe
or
look
at
it
online.
A
Absolutely
we
can
do
both
so
michael
if
you'll
send
that
to
our
office,
we'll
get
it
distributed
to
commission
members,
and
then
we
can
also
post
it
online,
and
then
we
will
work
with
the
committee
once
the
agenda
is
available
in
advance
of
the
next
meeting.
A
L
I
just
like
to
at
the
beginning.
Excuse
me
go
right
ahead.
Typically
at
the
beginning
of
the
next
meeting.
We'll
also
recap,
the
abcs
that
we
just
did
only
a
shorter
version,
because
there'll
be
new
members
of
the
public,
and
people
need
to
understand
the
constraints
of
redistricting
that
the
populations
have
to
be
equal
and
they
can't
just
have
a
district
that
is
comprised
of
just
their
one.
Neighborhood
and
people
need
to
be
reminded
of
the
rules.