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From YouTube: ARC 9/11/23
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Architectural Review Commission
A
Good
evening,
I'd
like
to
call
to
order
today,
Monday
September,
the
11th
20
2023
public
hearing
for
the
city
of
tampus
Architectural
Review
commission
welcome
I'm
Susan,
CL
Smith
I,
am
the
chair
of
the
commission
I'm,
also
an
architect.
If
you're
here
to
present
a
project,
you
will
have
limited
time
to
make
make
your
presentation,
so
we
suggest
being
thorough
but
concise.
When
coming
to
the
microphone,
you
will
need
to
identify
yourself
and
your
relationship
to
the
project.
A
The
Commissioners
will
not
ask
any
questions
during
your
presentation
and
your
project
should
be
presented
in
the
following
order:
the
site
plan,
elevations
architectural
details,
wall
sections,
our
staff
will
then
present
the
staff
report,
and
we
will
then
ask
for
public
comment
following
your
presentation.
The
Commissioners
will
be
asking
questions
in
the
same
order
as
the
presentation
when
coming
up
to
the
microphone.
Please
State
and
spell
your
name
clearly,
if
you're
here
to
speak
for
or
against
a
project,
your
time
will
be
limited
to
three
minutes.
So
take
some
time
now.
A
To
summarize
your
comments,
because
three
minutes
goes
by
very
quickly
also,
if
you
are
relinquishing
your
time
to
someone
else,
please
make
sure
that
the
form
is
filled
out
and
presented
when
coming
up,
because
administratively,
we
need
to
enter
those
into
the
record.
And
then
following
the
public
comment,
the
applicant
will
have
5
minutes
for
rebuttal.
Public
hearing
will
then
be
closed
and
the
only
comments
which
we
will
be
allowed
after
the
public
hearing
is
closed
will
be
in
response
to
any
questions
from
the
Commissioners.
A
Please
remember:
the
arc
can
only
act
on
items
that
are
within
our
specific
jurisdictional
responsibility,
owners
and
or
agents
are
independently
responsible
to
obtain
any
appropriate
permits
and
or
approvals.
Now,
if
you
haven't
already
done
so,
please
silence
your
cell
phones
and
I'll.
Ask
my
fellow
Commissioners
to
introduce
themselves
starting
on
my
left.
A
And
with
us
tonight
we
have
legal
staff,
Dana
Crosby,
CER,
Alex,
Alexis,
Guzman,
sorry,
Dennis,
Fernandez
and
I
am
so
sorry.
I
forgot
your
name
already:
Heather
bonds,
Heather
bonds
and
I
believe
we
are
ready
to
start
pardon
Ron.
Oh
that's
right
Ron
and
we
also
have
Ron
V
he's
in
the
anti
chamber.
He'll
come
in
shortly
and
we
have
a
reading
of
the
minutes
from
last
month's
hearings.
Both.
E
A
B
C
F
Good
evening,
Commissioners
Dennis,
Fernandez,
Architectural,
Review
and
historic
preservation
manager
welcome
to
this
evening's
public
hearing
to
both
the
public,
those
in
attendance
and
to
the
Commissioners
I
do
want
to
begin
with
a
few
announcements.
First
of
all,
I
do
have
the
arc
staff
approvals
to
enter
into
the
record.
Those
have
been
provided
to
the
clerk
and
we
will
make
a
motion
at
the
end
of
the
hearing
to
accept
all
the
documents
submitted.
F
Next
I
did
want
to
make
you
aware
that
the
2024
Arc
public
hearing
calendar
has
been
approved
and
you
have
a
copy
of
that
I
believe
that's
either
been
sent,
digitally
digitally
to
you
or
it
will
be,
but
if
you
want
to
go
ahead
and
add
those
hearing
dates
into
your
calendars,
that
way
you
can
let
us
know
if
there's
any
conflicts
ahead
of
time.
We
would
appreciate
that
and
I'll
I'll
continue
to
remind
remind
you
of
that.
F
F
City
council
is
going
to
be
using
the
the
room
that
evening
for
its
business,
so
we've
relocated
down
to
the
second
floor
right
below
us
and
we
have
a
a
hearing
room
set
up
in
in
that
area,
so
just
essentially
the
same
business
in
a
different
room
on
the
second
floor
of
Old
City
Hall,
315,
East,
Kennedy
Boulevard,
and
with
that
we
can
move
on
to
the
conflicts
of
interest
and
experte
communication.
Disclosure
and
I
I'll.
Ask
our
legal
counsel
to
handle
that
good.
G
G
F
Much
we
do
have
some
continuations
on
the
agenda
this
evening.
I'll
go
ahead
and
go
through
these
Arc
22-180
for
the
property
of
5
6
East
Mohawk
Avenue,
as
requested
continuance
to
November
6
2023
I'll
go
ahead
and
take
these
as
I
present
them
to
you,
and
so
we
would
require
a
motion
for
that
particular
request.
D
E
F
A
F
A
C
It
all
right,
Dennis
I,
would
just
like
to
disclose
to
everyone
in
the
room
that
I
do
have
a
relationship
and
I've
worked
in
the
past
with
Barrel
engineering.
I
understand
they're,
going
to
be
engineer
of
record
tonight
on
one
of
these
cases,
so
I
just
want
to
let
everyone
know
that
as
a
general
contractor.
If
they
are
an
engineer,
we
have
had
past
projects,
but
I
can
assure
you
that
there's
been
no
communication
or
any
other
sorts
of
that
sort.
With
this
particular
project
Andor,
this
particular
property.
F
F
Obviously,
we
had
a
series
of
continuances,
but
we
do
have
one
case
on
the
agenda
that
is
Arc
23-
367,
which
is
a
request
by
Sun
silver
tuna
LLC,
located
for
the
property
located
at
1105
West
dilon
Street.
It
is
a
request
to
demolish
a
contributing
structure
in
the
Hyde
Park
local
historic
district
I
did
want
to
begin
before.
Ron
comes
up
and
presents
the
photo
essay
by
saying
that
this
is
a
fairly
involved
process
for
demolitions.
F
It
does
often
require
a
little
additional
time
to
get
through
either
presentations
with
the
applicants
and
their
professionals
that
may
that
may
also
need
to
enter
evidence
and
for
the
staff
and
the
staff
report,
and
and
for
any
experts
that
we've
hired
so
I
did
want
to
disclose.
We
are
going
to
be
requesting
additional
time
at
the
staff
report
time
level,
and
we
welcome
the
applicants
to
do
so
if
they
so
need.
So
and
with
that
I
ask
Ron
to
come
up
and
present
the
photo.
H
Map
on
your
monitor,
you
you'll
see
the
outline
of
the
historic
district.
You
see
the
density
and
the
fabric
of
U
the
area
in
1929.
The
subject
site
is
circled.
It
is
highlighted
with
the
green.
It
is
at
11:05,
West,
delion
Street,
just
moving
to
a
closer
shot
of
that
shows
the
footprint
in
1929.
It
is
indicated
with
a
yellow
tint
to
it,
which
means
that
is
Fame
frame
construction.
It
does
have
a
wraparound
front.
Porch.
H
The
main
body
of
the
building
of
the
primary
structure
was
one
story
with
a
twostory
popup
in
the
back.
There
is
a
open
alley
in
the
rear
which
measures
16t
in
alley
once
again,
and
it
does
face
Delon
moving
to
the
vicinity
map.
This
is
the
outline
of
the
local
historic
district
in
red.
The
blue
is
the
national.
The
red
is
the
local
it.
It
was
part
of
the
expansion
it
does
face.
H
Delon,
as
I
stated
to
the
north
of
delion
and
to
the
west
of
Boulevard,
was
the
subject
parcel
that
was
included
in
the
in
the
expansion
area
to
the
Local
District
of
H
High
Park,
which
the
sits
in
moving
to
an
aerial
that
was
taken
last
year.
The
subject
side
is
here:
you
see
it
flanked
by
many
trees.
The
trees
have
been
removed
since
then,
and
they
are
under
violation
for
that.
H
Moving
forward,
this
is
the
primary
elevation
which
faces
Delon.
This
shot
was
taken,
so
you
see
the
expanse
of
the
parcel
to
the
east
just
moving
to
the
contributing
structure.
You
see
that
generous
porch
with
some
architectural
details.
If
you
look
at
the
barge
rafter
in
this
and
some
of
the
other
photos
that
will
be
shown,
you
see
that
the
bar
Drifter
have
the
a
detailer
notched
in
you.
Have
the
the
knee
brackets.
H
Sill
once
again,
looking
at
the
front
elevation
and
the
west
elevation
and
the
contributing
structure
that
shares
a
common
property
line
to
the
West
moving
back
to
the
subject
site,
it
is
a
long
elevation,
so
I
took
it
in
two
different
pictures.
This
is
the
front,
obviously,
which
is
the
porch
and
as
you
go
towards
the
rear,
you
see
the
double
Gable
and
then
continuing
on
the
East
Elevation,
where
the
double
Gable
interjects
it
with
that
facade
and
then
the
Second
Story
and
the
contributing
structure
that
shares
the
common
property
line
to
the.
H
H
Evening,
series
of
Street
shots:
this
is
looking
down
the
street
and
you
see
some
other
historic
fabric
along
dilon
and
in
the
other
direction.
You
see
some
on
story
structures.
You
see
these
setbacks
from
the
from
the
property
line
and
just
to
conclude
directly
across
the
street.
We
have
this
contributing
structure
as
well,
and
that's
this
the
secondary
elevation
that
faces
Delon
at
this
time,
we'll
have
the
presenter
the
agent
for
the
owner
to
come
forward
and
address
the
board.
Thank
you.
I
I
Members
of
the
commission,
my
name
is
Melissa
strasner.
My
address
is
3700
South
Tamiami
Trail
Sarasota.
We
also
have
a
office
here
at
324,
South,
hiy,
Park,
Avenue
I
am
here
today
representing
silver
tuna
LLC.
In
this
request.
Also
with
us
are
our
design
team.
We
have
Leo
Canon
with
Barrel
engineering,
who
did
the
structural
engineering
report
Peter
Carlin
with
Carlin
construction
to
speak
to
the
construction
estimate,
as
well
as
Ralph
Schuler,
with
jvb
architecture.
Who,
provided
the
letter
and
support
to
the
demolition
of
the
structure.
I
First
off
I
just
want
to
say
we
realize
that
this
is
a
very
sensitive
topic
both
for
this
commission
and
for
the
neighborhood.
We
do
not
take
it
lightly,
and
so
we
have
thoroughly
requested
our
Consultants
to
evaluate
this
property
and
provide
their
opinions
in
making
the
decision
on
whether
or
not
to
request
a
demolition
in
lie
of
renovation
based
on
those
consultations
which
I'll
go
over
in
this
presentation.
That
is
why
we
made
the
determination
to
make
this
request.
I
I
did
attempt
to
reach
out
to
the
neighborhood
associations
to
kind
of
let
them
know
why
we're
going.
The
demolition
route
I
spoke
to
Lee
Cen
and
Patrick
Camino.
They
were
very
amicable,
but
obviously
we
understand
the
intent
for
them
is
to
keep
historical
structures,
and
so,
unfortunately,
we
weren't
able
to
meet
common
ground,
but
I
did
attempt
to
reach
out
so
that
they
can
get
additional
information
as
to
why
we're
making
this
request.
So
with
that
said,
I'll
go
ahead
and
move
forward
with
the
presentation.
I
This
is
the
property
location,
Mr
V
kind
of
already
covered
where
this
is
located.
So
you
have
a
very
good
idea:
it
is
located
at
11:05,
West,
dayon
Street,
so
I
won't
belabor
the
location
too
much.
The
Zoning
for
this
structure
is
a
multif
family,
less
than
10
units.
It
consists
of
two
residential
units,
and
that
is
the
only
contributing
structure
on
the
property.
As
Mr
vaa
stated,
the
back
detached
garage
is
non-contributing
and
not
up
for
discussion
here.
The
property
is
currently
vacant
and
abandoned
to
our
knowledge.
I
I
Conditions
a
little
bit
of
background
that
is
of
some
importance.
The
applicant
purchased
the
property
on
January
4th
2023.
At
the
time
of
purchase,
the
property
was
not
included
in
the
Hyde
Park
historic
district.
The
day
after
the
purchase
on
January
5th
2023
is
when
the
city
council
approved
the
expansion
of
the
historic
dist
District.
The
current
owner
was
not
aware
of
this.
I
It
would
not
have
come
up
in
any
title
work,
because
there
was
no
recorded
ordinance
that
would
show
up
to
let
him
know
that
this
was
going
to
be
expanded
into
the
High
Park
historic
district.
That
only
shows
up
on
title
work
once
the
ordinance
is
recorded
upon,
realizing
that
the
property
was
included
in
the
district
Mr
sardisco,
who
is
the
representative
here
for
silverin
or
silver
tuna?
Llc,
immediately,
went
and
got
Consultants
who
have
provided
the
reports
that
are
before
you
in
the
application
package
that
I.
I
Submitted
briefly
going
over
the
criteria,
it's
noted
in
section
2716
F1.
We
are
to
show
that
alternatives
to
demolition
or
relocation,
such
as
plan
development
districts,
are
not
possible.
Whether
the
landmark,
Landmark
or
building
or
structure
can
be
retained
on
the
site.
Whether
relocation
of
the
landmark
or
building
is
appropriate
and
feasible.
Whether
the
applicant
has
the
ability
to
build
the
proposed
new
construction
within
a
reasonable
period
of
time,
and
whether
demolition
is
justified
by
an
economic
hardship.
I
Obviously,
section
e
is
the
big
one
here
and
we
will
go
over
each
of
the
criteria,
showing
that
this
is
an
economic
hardship
for
the
applicant
and
it
does
justify
the
demolition
staff
did
re
reest
additional
information
by
way
of
disclosure
forms
verification,
letters,
inspection
reports,
this
property
was
purchased,
as
is
so
those
are
not
available.
The
coming,
slides
I
will
delve
deeper
into
why
demolition
measures
are
being
taken
or
requested
and
why
relocation
is
Fe
is
not
feasible.
I
I
Days
so
why
alternatives
to
demolition
are
not
feasible.
The
structural
report
prepared
by
Barrel,
which
we
included
in
the
application
materials,
does
show
that
this
property
meets
a
definition
of
unsafe
and
dangerous
per
local
and
state
authorities
and
Leo
with
Barrel
engineering
can
speak
more
to
that.
If
you
have
any
questions
on
it,
but
I
will
go
over
additional
slides
to
kind
of
show
why
this
is
an
unsafe
and
dangerous
structure.
The
cost
estimate
for
renovation
and
lie
of
demolition
will
show
that
the
measures
create
an
economic
hardship
Additionally.
I
The
structural
engineering
report
is
supported
by
jvb
architectural
firm
in
regards
to
rezoning
this
to
PD.
That's
not
going
to
solve
issue
here
because
it
will
not
take
it
out
of
the
historical
district
and
make
demolition
possible
really
all
it
will
do
is
add
on
to
the
timeline
of
requesting
the
PD,
and
even
if
we
do
request,
the
PD
and
I
can
have
Ralph
with
jvb
architecture.
Speak
to
this
more.
I
I
just
ran
the
search
on
Friday
of
last
week,
and
the
only
lot
that
came
up
within
the
Hyde
Park
historic
district
is
a
lot
located
at
1207
Bay,
Shore
Boulevard.
The
current
listing
is
listing.
Price
is
299
or
2,999
th000,
so
basically
$3
million.
For
that
lot,
it's
not
going
to
be
a
feasible
to
purchase
a
lot
at
$3
million
to
move
this
structure
to
that
lot.
Nor
would
the
structure
really
fit
in
with
the
surrounding
area.
I
On
basay
Shore
Drive,
we
see
the
mammoth
homes
and
the
multif
family
structures
that
are
going
up
on
that
street,
so
just
to
kind
of
get
an
idea
of.
What's
the
closest
area
outside
of
Hyde
Park
in
the
nearest
vicinity
to
move
the
structure
to
two
came
up
at
408
Columbia
Drive
and
604
Channel
Drive,
both
going
well
one
going
at
1.3
million,
the
other
at
1.4
million.
These
are
roughly
two
miles
away,
based
on
our
conversations
with
Consultants.
That
actually
do
this
actually
do.
Structural
moves.
I
2
miles
is
a
pretty
far
way
to
move
a
structure.
It
can't
be
very
costly
and
so
that
I'm
I'm
going
to
kind
of
touch
on
that
as
well.
What
we
have
on
West,
Delon
and
really
within
the
Hy
Park
historic
district
are
narrow,
Tree
Line
streets.
It
makes
moving
a
structure
very
difficult.
We
would
probably
have
to
get
with
parks
and
rcks
see
about
getting
trees,
trimmed.
I
There
are
overhead
utility
lines,
those
have
to
be
taken
down
and
put
backup
police
escort
coordination,
as
well
as
coordination
with
the
Florida
Department
of
Transportation.
If
that's
required
depending
on
the
road,
all
of
this,
generally
speaking,
would
cost
about
$250,000
and
that's
not
including
the
permitting
that
would
be
required
and
the
cost
of
the
vacant
lot
that
would
need
to
be
purchased.
I
We
did
not
include
these
costs
in
the
economic
hardship,
but
this
would
further
add
to
why
this
would
be
an
economic
hardship
for
the
for
the
applicant.
In
addition,
the
average
time
to
relocate
is
about
6
months,
so
the
property
will
lie
dormant
during
that
entire
time,
with
the
inability
to
produce
any.
I
Income,
the
economic
hardship
criteria
is
within
section
27116,
F3
I'm,
going
to
go
over
them
quickly.
For
you
in
regards
to
an
estimate
of
the
cost
of
the
proposed
demolition
for
relocation,
we
provided
that
to
you
Peter
Carlin,
with
Carlin
construction.
Who
knows
this
area
very
well.
He
has
actually
sat
on
Architectural
Review
commission
himself
conducted
the
cost
estimate
which
he,
which
he
States,
would
be
$882,000
1897
to
fully
rehabilitate
this
structure
and
make
it
into
a
livable,
rentable
or
sellable
structure.
I
The
purchase
price
that
that
the
applicant
paid
for
the
property
was
730,000.
That's
going
to
give
us
a
total
cost
of
1.6
million
or
a
little
over
1.6
million.
To
get
this
property
in
a
reasonable.
You,
reasonable
usable
form,
the
average
cost
of
a
home
or
that's
been
sold
in
Hyde
Park
based
on
realtor.com
is
$557,000
just
that
in
itself
lets.
I
You
know
that
it's
just
that's
what
realtor.com
said
so
just
that
in
itself
lets
you
know
that
we're
looking
at
a
structure,
that's
going
to
be
three
times
or
double
times
the
cost
of
what
a
average
home
is
sold
for
in
Hyde
Park.
We
provided
the
engineering
report
from
Barrel
engineering,
estimated
market
value.
We
did
have
an
appraisal
done
on
July
25th
2023
to
determine
the
value
of
the
property
as
is,
and
the
value
of
the
property
after
demolition.
I
Again,
we've
provided
that
by
way
of
the
construction
renovation
budget,
the
architect
opinion
letter
and
the
structural
engineering
report
from
Barrel
engineering,
the
amount
paid
for
the
property
was
$730,000.
It
was
an
arms
length
transaction
with
the
Lois
M
Ingram
revocable
trust
the
property
is
income
producing
annual
gross
sales
for
the
previous
two
years.
I
As
far
as
we
know,
the
property
was
not
inhabited
in
the
previous
two
years
since
the
applicant
has
had
it
he's
not
been
able
to
have
anybody
live
in
there
in
its
current
condition,
so
that
information
is
not
available,
it
would
be
zero.
The
remaining
balance
on
the
mortgage
is
580,000
all
apprais
all
appraisals
obtained
within
the
previous
two
years.
I
We
have
provided
that
the
one
that
was
obtained
at
closing
on
October
October,
4th
2022
and
then
the
most
recent
one
dated
July
25th
2023,
any
listing
of
the
property
for
sale
are
rent.
You
can
see
them
within
the
table.
There.
Property
was
originally
listed
on
August
19th
2023
at
a
price
of
875,000.
I
That
price
was
then
dropped
to
750,000
likely
from
you
know,
just
taking
information
from
the
buyer
segment.
That
was
viewing
the
property,
and
then
we
see
the
pending
sale
and
then
the
final
final
sale
to
the
applicant
for
$730,000
the
assessed
value
of
the
property.
According
to
the
last
two
most
recent
assessments,
the
most
recent
assessment
in
2022
assess
the
property
at
543,000
and
then
in
2021
it
was
2
264,000
in
change,
so
the
assessed
value
is
going
up.
I
I
$1,455
the
form
of
ownership,
it
is
an
LLC
silver
tuna
LLC.
The
only
other
information
that
we
would
provide
is
is
the
fact
that
we've
we've
done
our
calculation
with
just
hard
costs,
but
the
applicant
is
incurring
soft
costs
every
day
by
way
of
legal
fees,
consultant
fees,
further
application
fees
to
go
through
this
process,
so
I
just
want
to
kind
of
line
out
for
you,
the
market
value
versus
renovation
costs,
and
why
this
is
an
economic
hardship
for
the
applicant
just
in
hard
numbers.
I
The
median
listing
price
for
a
home
in
historic,
High,
Park
historic
district
like
I,
said
before,
is
$897,500
the
median
median
sales
price
is
$557,500,
so
we're
seeing
a
disparity
between
a
listing
price
and
what
the
properties
are
actually
sold
for.
Nonetheless,
we
took
the
conservative
approach
and
took
the
listing
price
to
show
what
the
price
per
square
foot
would
be,
and
that
would
be
6
15
is
your
average
price
per
square
foot?
I
In
our
case,
you
can
see
the
numbers
there
and
looking
at
the
total
projected
with
the
cost
of
renovation
and
the
purchase
price
of
1.6
million,
we're
looking
at
a
cost
per
square
foot
for
this
applicant
of
$1,113.
That
in
itself
shows
economic
hardship
for
the
applicant.
If
they
were
to
renovate
and
do
it,
the
staff
is
recommending
versus
a
demolition
and
rebuild.
Furthermore,
you
have
a
different
tax
base
that
is
going
to
come
and
purchase.
I
These
town
homes
are
going
to
go
for
roughly
$2.5
to
$3
million
you're
going
to
get
a
much
different
client
base
or
I
should
say
demographic
base
of
buyers
for
that
type
of
product
than
what
you
will
get
in
trying
to
slap
together
and
renovate.
What's
there,
I
did
do
a
search
on
the
code.
Violations
on
this
property
and
I
know
from
2018
I
think
might
have
been
the
last
time
somebody
lived
there
and
there
was
homeless
vagrancy
going
on
on
this
property.
I
I
That's
all
they're
looking
to
do.
I
know
that
we've
gotten
some
letters
in
opposition
and
there's
talk
about
greed.
There's
talk
about,
you
know
doing
an
exception
for
this
person.
That's
that's
just
unkind
and
it's
not
true
this
applicant.
You
know
yes
they're
in
the
business
of
making
money,
but
that's
only
going
to
help
the
High
Park
historic
district
to
have
a
better
demographic
and
a
better
product
there.
I
I
do
want
to
go
over
the
engineering
reports
from
Barrel
engineering
on
some
of
the
the
the
deplorable
condition
of
the
property
The
Brick
supports
and
the
crawl
spaces
are
deteriorated,
they're
damaged,
they're,
leaning,
the
wooden
support
beams
under
the
subfloor
are
noted
to
have
excessive
moisture
damage.
There's
evidence
of
termite
damage.
There's
previous
exposure
to
fire
damage.
The
floors
are
unle
level,
there's
also
vertical
and
diagonal
cracking
on
the
damage
and
damage
on
the
plaster
walls,
kind
of
showing
that
there's
settling
going
on
with
this
structure.
I
There's
not
noticeable
movement
of
the
home
when
you
actually
walk
through
it.
The
second
floor
has
not
been
able
to
be
accessed
by
any
of
the
Consultants,
including
the
city's
consultant,
because
it's
unsafe
and
dangerous
to
try
to
go
up
the
stairs
and
get
to
the
second
floor.
You
just
can't
even
go
up
there
right
now,
so
the
conclusion
from
that
report
is
that
this
is
an
unsafe
and
dangerous
structure
and
just
to
kind
of
show
some
of
these
photos.
I
J
Good
evening,
Leo
with
Barrel
engineering
and
inspection,
so,
basically,
when
we
came
out
to
this
property,
we
inspected
the
the
main
building
and
we
did
a
thorough
inspection.
We
went
into
the
crawl
space.
We
went
into
the
first
floor.
We
weren't
able
to
get
into
the
second
floor
as
she
stated.
No
one's
been
able
to
get
into
the
second
floor
under
the
first
under
the
crawl
space
area.
A
lot
of
the
the
bricks
appears:
they're,
leaning,
they're
deteriorating
they're
on
the
verge
of
collapse.
J
That
became
very
evident
when
we
went
into
the
first
floor.
We
saw
the
stress
cracks
above
any
of
the
loadbearing
walls
above
the
doors
and
the
windows
things
of
that
nature.
This
house
had
shown
evidence
of
being
abandoned
for
several
years
neglect,
and
it
really
was
just
in
a
really
bad.
A
bad
State
I
would
have
liked
to
have
gotten
into
the
second
floor.
J
I
I
So,
in
summary,
the
structure
has
been
deemed
unsafe
and
dangerous
by
Professionals
in
the
field
of
Structural
Engineering,
there's
no
reasonable
alternative
to
demolition
without
creating
an
economic
hardship.
The
property
will
not
yield
a
reasonable
investment,
backed
expectation
if
the
application
to
demolish
is
denied
relocation
is
not
reasonable
or
feasible.
I
The
applicant
can
rebuild
a
new
structure
meeting
all
zoning
and
historical
design
requirements
within
a
reasonable
time
after
Demolition
and
the
cost
of
renovation
will
result
in
a
price
per
square
foot
that
is
double
the
median
listing
price
in
the
Hyde
Park
historic
district,
creating
the
the
economic
hardship.
So
with
that,
we
do
respectfully
request.
This
commission
approve
the
request
for
Demolition
and
we're
happy
to
answer
any
questions
you
may
have
thank.
F
Good
evening,
Commissioners
Dennis,
Fernandez
architecture,
review
and
historic
preservation
manager
just
prior
to
moving
on
to
the
staff
report.
I
did
want
to
reiterate
for
the
information
that
that
Miss
strasner
was
presenting
was
provided
to
you
by
the
applicant
in
this
bound
form
you
have
a
copy
of
that
that
is
available,
digitally
on
the
Excel
system
as
well
for
the
for
the
public,
as
I
mentioned
before,
we
do
have
a
more
extensive
staff
report
based
on
the
nature
of
the
request.
B
A
B
A
K
K
K
K
This
is
the
location
map
of
you've
seen
to
show
that
the
property
is
within
both
the
local
and
National
register
district
for
hi
Park.
Just
to
start
with
a
brief
historical
context.
This
is
the
Flor
Master
file
that
was
completed
during
the
time
of
distri
of
the
national
register
District.
At
that
time,
it
was
noted
in
good
condition.
This
is
from
the
national
register
nomination.
The
dates
of
significance
then,
are
1886
to
1933,
which
this
site
fits
into,
and
the
Dillion
Street
for
this
address
is
included
in
those
street
addresses.
K
At
the
time
the
site
was
evaluated,
it
was
considered
altered
but
contributing,
and
that
definition
is
that
it
retains
most
of
its
original
visual
character
and
which
can
be
returned
with
reasonable
effort
and
cost
to
its
historic
form.
Things
of
that
nature
would
be
enclosing.
Porches
removal
of
decorative
architecture
features
replacement
of
Windows
and
construction
of
non-conforming
additions,
which
you'll
see
at
this
site.
This
is
our
earliest
sandborn
of
record,
showing
the
house
here
at
in
1915.
You'll.
Note
that
there's
a
one-story
accessory
structure
in
the.
K
Rear
moving
on
to
1922,
you
can
see
the
accessory
structure
has
been
rebuilt
at
that
time,
with
a
two-story
structure
and
by
1931
the
accessory
structure
in
the
rear
is
again
changed.
It
also
is
addressed
on
its
own
as
1105
and
a
half
and
you'll
also
note
that
the
Second
Story
addition
was
put
onto
the
primary
structure
by
1931,
jumping
to
1976
the
rear
apartment
footprint
again
changed
and
the
extra
garage
space
was
removed
from
the.
K
Site
per
the
property
appraiser
footprint
here
in
2023,
you
can
see
it
has
the
same
historical
form
as
1915.
Therefore,
for
per
the
national
register
District
guidelines,
it
does
still
retain
its
form
or
could
be
returned
back
to
his
its
historical
fir
firm,
some
additional
historic
research
to
show
the
established
date
built
using
City
directories.
K
We
can
see
that
it
was
listed
in
1910
and
1909,
however,
not
in
1908,
so
we
can
assert
that
it
was
likely
constructed
in
1908
to
be
included
in
the
1909
city
directory
and
just
for
historical
note
that
the
first
Resident
was
a
Walter
F
Davis
who
owned
a
plumbing
company
So.
Based
on
our
historical
findings.
We
can
say
the
structure
does
contribute
to
both
the
Hy
Park,
local
historic
district
and
the
H
High
Park
National
register
District.
The
primary
structure
is
at
least
115
years
old,
built
in
1908
and
the
accessory
structure.
K
Site
now
to
review
today's
case,
request
staff
evaluated
the
case
based
on
code
requirements.
The
burden
of
proof
is
on
the
applicant
to
prove
that
there
are
no
Alternatives,
it
canot,
be
preserved
and
the
economic
hardship,
and
there
is
an
economic
hardship
of
preservation.
This
is
that
code
that
outlines
the
definition
of
the
burden
of
proof
and
I'm
going
to
touch
on
each
of
these
Five.
K
Points
first,
are
there
alternatives
to
demolition
staff
finds
that
there
are
viable
opportunities.
It
can
be
returned
to
its
original
single
family
form,
as
the
national
register
suggests
and
used
as
a
single
family
home.
They
can
remove
all
non-contributing
structures
and
they
can
construct
a
detached
accessory
structure
with
units.
It
can
also
be
used
as
a
multif
family
use
to
restore
the
historic
building,
remove
the
non-contributing
structures
and
construct
new
attached
multifam
additions.
K
This
is
that
first
potential
opportunity
using
the
zoning
codes.
They
can
restore
the
single
family
residence
and
have
an
attached
accessory
structure.
I
would
note
being
in
a
historic
district.
They
can
have
up
to
22
and
A2
feet
in
height,
where
in
normal
zoning
accessory
structures
would
only
allow
them
15
ft.
K
So
this
could
be
a
twostory
accessory
structure
in
the
rear
for
them
to
note,
the
neighbor
in
2018
team
converted
their
garage
into
a
guest
quarters
with
a
parking
pad,
and
this
is
just
a
photo
of
what
the
neighbor
did
and
you
can
see
the
subject
property
there
behind
it.
This
is
the
second
potential
option
that
they
can
have.
This
is
the
multif
family
option.
K
This
would
allow
them
to
almost
triple
the
existing
square
footage
while
staying
compliance
to
the
allowable
building
envelope.
This
is
that
example.
Ghosted
in
this
shows
that
the
large
side
yard
can
be
utilized
and
keeping
with
the
Integrity
of
the
site
and
the
block
they
can
keep
the
scale
massing
character
and
form
of
the
historic
neighborhood.
Our
second
consideration
is
if
the
structure
can
be
retained
on
site,
both
the
applicant
and
the
city
had
engineer
companies
inspected
the
sit
both
reported
areas
of
damage
due
to
deferred
maintenance
from
previous
owners.
K
Mce
presented
a
feasible
restoration
path
and
provided
the
following
improvements
as
a
practical
means
to
retain
the
contributing
structure
on
site
and
they'll,
go
more
in
depth
that,
for
you
all,
but
basically
expose
the
exterior
walls
to
replace
or
supplement
wall
framing
as
necessary
and
remove
and
replace
board
sheathing
that
is
damaged
from
insects
or
water
point.
The
brick
Foundation
peers,
Plum,
sloping
peers,
supplement
wood
framing
in
the
crawl
space
and
remove
hung
ceilings,
expose
the
plaster
ceilings
and
repair
as
necessary.
The
third
consideration
is
relocation.
K
The
applicant
had
not
provided
specific
information
in
their
application
to
us
that
we
had
reviewed
according
to
MCE,
the
building
could
be
moved
to
another
site.
It
would
be
necessary
to
affect
the
structure,
building
repairs
prior
to
moving
the
building
and
Foundation
repairs
could
be
accomplished
after
the
move.
There
have
been
recent
relocations
in
the
district
of
similar
age
structures
and
conditions.
This
is
1226
South
how
Avenue,
which
was
successfully
moved
to
TW,
2114,
West,
Jaton
and
2019.
K
It
was
built
during
the
time
of
significance
in
the
Hy
Park,
historic
district
and
in
its
new
location.
It
maintains
its
historic
relationship
to
the
site
and
setting
this
was
fully
restored
in
2021
second
example,
also
built
during
the
time
of
significance,
was
1815
South
Rome,
which
was
successfully
moved
to
1910
South
Fremont
Avenue
in
2021.
It
also
and
the
new
location
maintains
its
historic
relationship
to
its
site
and
setting,
and
it
was
fully
restored
of
2023
each
year
of
this
year.
K
You'll
also
note
that
the
accessory
structure
was
enlarged
for
the
new
site
that
they
can
use
for.
Additional
units
here
is
to
show
how
it
moved
where
the
red
square
is
was
its
original
site
to
the
green,
which
is
where
it
is
now.
815
South
room
Avenue
there
is
in
its
original
location,
and
here
it
is
on
the
bottom
showing
how
it
was
moved
or
where
it
was
moved
to.
The
fourth
consideration
is
whether
the
applicant
has
the
ability
to
build
the
proposed
new
construction
within
a
reasonable
period
of
time.
K
The
applicant
has
provided
their
intent
to
immediately
move
forward
if
granted,
this
Demolition
and
finally,
five,
whether
the
demolition
is
Justified
as
an
economic
hardship
staff
contends
that
the
site
can
generate
revenue
and
is
not
an
economic
hardship
for
multiple
reasons.
The
property
has
been
used
with
multi-units
since
the
1920s,
and
this
can
likely
continue
with
zoning
approvals.
The
own
the
owner
has
the
opportunity
to
remove
those
non-contributing
accessory
structures
and
second
story
unit
to
construct
newer
units
and
a
phase
one
if
they
break
it
up
into
phases.
K
K
K
These
are
the
three
points
of
economic
hardship
which
I'll
evaluate
now:
the
inability
of
the
property
to
be
put
to
reasonable
beneficial
use.
The
inability
of
the
property
to
obtain
reasonable
investment,
backed
expectation
and
staff
may
also
consider
whether
or
not
this
hardship
is
self-imposed.
So
the
first
can
the
property
be
put
to
beneficial
use.
Staff
contends
that
the
property
can
continue
as
the
historic
and
existing
use
as
a
multif
family
incom
producing
site.
K
These
are
the
zoning
entitlements
again.
They'll
need
to
run
any
zoning
approvals
through
zoning,
but
according
to
the
property
appraiser,
the
lot
is
70
by
120,
which
is
8,400
square
ft.
The
is
zoned
rm16,
which
requires
a
minimum
of
5,000
square
ft.
Rm16
allows
one
unit
per
2723
squ
ft
of
land.
Thus
that
will
allow
up
to
three
units.
K
Rm16
allow
allows
several
different
uses
from
single
family
and
then
for
multif
family.
They
would
require
a
special
use
from
zoning.
Here's
the
vicinity,
soning
map
you
see
to
the
west
and
north
in
the
orange-
that
is
single
family
use,
the
brown
notates,
the
multif
family,
use
to
the
east
and
south
of
the.
K
Property,
just
a
quick
look
at
the
property
itself.
It
is
a
bit
larger
than
then
the
average
of
the
surrounding
block
Square
footages.
The
average
of
those
in
this
block
is
7163
Square,
fet,
so
staff
surmises
that
there
is
a
clear
and
expectant
opportunity
for
beneficial
use
for
the
above
average
lot
size.
The
next
consideration
is
the
inability
of
the
owner
to
obtain
a
reasonable
investment,
backed
expectation,
reasonable,
is
not
defined,
as
is
highest
and
best
staff
contends
that
the
site
can
produce
a
positive
net
for
the
owner
if
completed
in
two
phases.
K
The
second
phase
of
constructing
construction
constructing
two
unit
one
unit
can
be
offset
by
the
income
of
a
phase,
one
restoration
and
potential
rental.
This
was
provided
by
the
applicant
that
shows
the
proposed
cost
of
Rehabilitation.
We
do
note
that
some
of
these
costs
overlap
for
complete
new
con
construction.
They
do
provide
over
41,000
for
the
non-contributing
demolitions
and
it
does
call
for
all
new
material,
including
Windows
Doors
crown
molding
floor
and
Hardware.
L
K
These
are
the
numbers
provided
by
the
applicant
that
was
purchased
for
$730,000,
a
claim
of
$882,000
of
renovation
cost
and
with
it,
which
would
be
a
total
of
1.
6
million
investment
per
them
or
an
80
834
square
foot
based
on
the
square
footage
provided
by
the
property
appraiser.
No,
this
does
not
include
any
sort
of
additional
units
or
compared
to
other
multif
Family
Properties.
According
to
realter.com
in
July
2023,
the
median
listing
home
price
in
Tampa
was
$480,000
and
the
median
listing
home
per
square
foot
was
$299.
Look
here
at
Hyde
Park.
K
You
see
that
the
median
listing
home
price
in
Hyde,
Park,
historic
district
is
$1.6
million,
and
the
median
listing
home
price
per
square
foot
was
641.
I
do
want
to
offer
that
the
applicant
had
different
numbers
than
staff,
though
we
used
the
same
source.
That
is
because,
if
you
look
in
their
report,
they
used
North
hide
Park
numbers
that
is
a
different
neighborhood
than
historic
than
the
Historic
District
High,
Park
and
I
do
have
a
map
to
show
that
that
is
a
separate
neighborhood.
K
This
neighborhood
was
also
named
one
of
the
best
places
in
America
to
live
by
Niche,
so
staff
contends
so.
Staff
would
say
that
they
do
have
an
opportunity
for
to
receive
their
investment
back.
The
final
consideration
is,
if
staff
is,
is
it
self-imposed
staff
contends
that
the
claim
of
hardship
is
self-imposed.
Staff
confirms
that
all
parameters
of
27256
were
met
and
public
noticing
was
perfected
in
accordance
to
section
27.1
149
of
public
noticing
for
the
adoption
of
the
expansion
of
the
Hyde
Park
local
historic
district.
K
Seller
I'd
like
to
quickly
review
the
timeline
of
that
hard
Park
expansion,
I've
highlighted
here
all
the
times
that
it
was
publicly
noticed
and
that
there
was
a
public
meeting
on
record.
First,
noting
that
on
May
4th
2021
is
when
the
application
was
submitted
to
expand
the
district,
and
there
was
a
year
between
that
or
about
10
months
of
research
and
public.
K
Outreach
further
I
want
to
highlight
the
applicants
in
or
the
listing
for
this
house
it
was
originally
listing
on
August
19th
submitted
by
the
applicant,
was
an
appraisal
that
was
done
on
October,
4th
of
2022
and
there's
about
three
months
between
that
date
and
the
actual
cell
date
of
Engagement
of
the
applicant
with
that
property.
And
during
that
time
you
see,
notices
were
sent
out
again
and
there
were
two
public
meetings
during
that.
K
K
Street
here's
the
online
listings.
We
just
want
to
point
out
that
it
was
promoted
as
a
historic
home.
The
description
talked
about
removing
drop
ceilings
and
basically
restoring
the
structure.
You'll
also
notice
under
lot
features
it
St
it
that
it
was
in
a
historic
district
and
under
disclosure.
They
said
that
there
was
a
disclosures
proper,
a
prop,
a
seller
property
disclosure.
K
Available
this
is
online
listing
from
estateely,
which
shows
some
interior
photos
again.
The
lot
feature
is
listed
at
within
a
historic
district.
Tampa
homesold
decom
showed
that
it
was
in
a
historic
district.
Redin
showed
that
it
was
in
a
historic
district.
Compass
showed
that
it
was
in
a
historic
district.
So
in
summary,
we
would
like
to
say
that
the
owner
purchased
a
protected
structure,
a
structure.
K
The
property
is
over
50
years
old
and
was
a
contributing
site
in
a
national
register
District
at
the
time
of
listing
during
their
due
diligence
period
and
their
final
sales.
All
properties
over
50
years
old
within
the
city
require
a
demolition
review
within
historic
by
historic
preservation.
National
register
districts
do
have
require
review
requirements.
The
high
part
National
register
District
was
established
in
1985.
The
owner
had
opportunities
to
contact
HP
staff
for
potential
review
processes.
K
Zoning
also
provides
zoning
verification,
letters
and
advisory
opinion
letters
which
would
have
provided
potential
zoning
changes
and
are
frequently
requested
during
due
diligence
periods.
Going
back
to
the
original
considerations,
staff
feels
that
the
burden
of
proof
was
not
met.
There
are
alternatives,
demolition,
the
property
can
be
rehabilitated
and
the
economic
hardship
has
not
been
proved.
F
M
Dilon,
thank
you.
My
name
is
Jim
M
chedder
I'm
register
structural
engineer
in
the
State
of
Florida
I've
been
practicing
for
50
years
and
I've
spent
many
an
hour
underneath
old
buildings.
This
one
in
included
I
visited
the
site
in
in
August
of
this
year,
I
inspected
the
building,
both
underneath
and
in
the
in
the
on
the
ground
floor.
I
could
not
get
into
the
second
floor
because
of
the
danger
of
the
stair
construction
and
its
dilapidation.
We
not.
We
noted
that
the
the
peers
need
re
repointing
in
the
in
the
Crossways.
M
There's
termite
damage
both
in
the
floor
joist
and
in
the
beams
that
support
the
joist.
The
stair
in
the
front
of
the
building
has
settled
creating
a
tripping
Hazard.
Apparently,
the
soil
was
never
compacted
when
the
when
the
stair
was
constructed,
the
ceilings
are
plaster
over
wood
L
and
due
to
the
damage
that
they
have
sustained,
the
former
owners
put
a
drop
ceiling
in
place
which
should
be
removed
in
so
that
they
you
can
repair
the
ceiling.
F
A
A
A
N
Time
is
everybody
ready?
Okay,
my
name
is
Patrick
chimino
I'm,
the
president
of
the
historic
High
Park
neighborhood
association,
I,
live
at
604,
South,
Oregon
Avenue,
and
this
structure
is
in
our
neighborhood.
Basically,
this
request
for
financial
hardship
flies
in
the
face
of
historic
preservation.
For
those
of
us
who
have
renovated
I
myself
have
renovated
three
structures
over
32
years
and
th.
This
structure,
according
to
the
arc
staff,
is
preservable.
We
see
this
as
a
case
of
caveat
mtor.
Let
the
buyer!
N
Beware
if
we
went
through
a
great
deal
of
effort
to
expand
the
local
historic
district
precisely
to
protect
a
structure
like
this,
and
many
of
us
have
done
that
before
and
many
properties
in
similar
shape
have
had
a
great
deal
of
investment.
Put
in
the
structural
engineer
identifies
yeah.
We
know
we've
done
this.
We
we've
gone
into
houses
with
no
floors
and
a
toilet
in
the
living
room
to
some
people
in
the
neighborhood.
N
The
use
of
financial
hardship
seems
ludicrous
and
I
think
the
numbers
coroporate
that
what
the
arc
presented
and
really
and
truly
this
is
a
case-
the
the
buyer
failed
to
do
their
due
diligence
prior
to
purchasing
hundreds
of
owners
in
Hyde
Park
I've
been
in
many
many
of
the
houses
over
the
years.
I've
lived,
there
have
done
a
great
deal
of
work,
protecting
contributing
structures
and
made
viable
Investments,
keep
in
mind.
N
We
have
Apartments,
we
have
condos,
we
have
commercial,
we
have
single
family
homes,
so
we
have
all
that
in
High,
Park
and
they've
been
heavily
invested.
There's
an
office
building
on
Magnolia
near
bashore
that
has
had
over
$1,000
a
square
foot
invested
in
it
between
purchase
and
renovation,
there's
an
apartment
building
on
Dakota
near
Bayshore,
which
has
just
been
totally
renovated,
both
contributing
structures.
We
all
know
there's
not
one
option
for
renovating,
we
all
understand
but
budgeting,
but
there
is
an
option
for
this:
it's
not
prescribed,
but
it
retaining
the
contributing
structure
and
adding
something.
N
That's
what
a
lot
of
people
do
in
our
neighborhood
anyway,
and
the
arc
elegantly
made
those
proposals
so
granting
a
demo
request.
We
would
look
at
as
a
serious
affront
to
Historic
preservation
and
a
very
poor
precedent
to
set.
So
this
is
an
Easy
Motion
deny
it
deny
the
demolition
protect
a
contributing
structure.
We
supported
the
HBC.
We
did
an
extra
notice
During
the
period
because
of
an
issue
that
came
up
voluntarily,
so
this
was
fully
noticed
more
than
fully
noticed.
N
L
This
property
is
not
just
any
ordinary
house,
as
you've
heard,
it
is
a
contributing
structure
in
our
historic
area
and
it
represents
an
essential
part
of
our
community's
heritage.
Recently,
our
local
historic
area
underwent
a
significant
expansion,
a
development
designed
to
protect
precisely
the
type
of
structure
that
1105
West
day.
Leone
represents
the
decision
to
expand.
The
historic
district
was
not
taken
lightly.
It
was
a
result
of
careful
consideration,
Community
input
and
a
shared
commit
commitment
to
preserving
the
rich
history
of
this
neighborhood.
L
While
we
understand
that
the
property
owner
may
not
have
been
aware
of
the
expansion
when
they
acquired
1105
West
day
Leon,
we
must
emphasize
the
numerous
Community
meetings
and
mailings
that
were
conducted
to
keep
residents
informed
about
these
changes.
It
is
the
responsibility
of
all
Property
Owners,
within
the
historic
district,
to
stay
informed
about
zoning
regulations
and
changes
that
may
affect
their
properties.
Preservation
of
our
historic
structure
is
not
merely
a
matter
of
nostalgia.
It's
an
investment
in
our
community's
future.
L
These
historic
buildings
tell
the
story
of
our
neighborhood,
they
add
character,
charm
and
a
unique
identity
to
our
community,
drawing
visitors
and
residents
alike.
In
addition
to
the
cultural
and
aesthetic
value,
historic
structures
also
contribute
significantly
to
property
values,
as
we've
shown
as
the
he
High
Park
Spanish
Town
Creek,
civic
association.
We
are
committed
to
preserving
the
unique
character
of
our
community
and
safeguarding
its
historic
Treasures.
In
conclusion,
we
urge
you
to
consider
the
long-term
consequences
of
De
demolishing
1105
West
D
Leon.
We
ask
for
your
support
in
opposing
this
demolition.
Thank
you.
A
O
You
good
evening
my
name
is
Mary
Lu
Bailey
m,
a
r
y
Lou
B
AI
l
y
I
live
at
912
South
Oregon
Avenue
I'm
here
tonight
on
behalf
of
the
board
of
of
Hy
Park
preservation,
Inc
I'm,
the
immediate
past
president,
still
on
the
board,
still
very
active.
The
last
motion
we
took
at
my
last
meeting
in
August
before
I
passed,
the
Baton
to
the
new
president
was
to
unanimously
vote
that
you
asked
to
ask
you
to
deny
this
demolition.
We
feel
very
strongly
about
this.
Preservation
is
at
the
core
of
our
organization.
O
That's
why
our
neighborhood
association
adopted
the
name
hide
Park
preservation,
Inc,
I'm.
Sorry,
these
people
are
unhappy
with
it,
but
the
rights
of
the
collective
community
in
the
historic
district
outweigh
the
Economic
Opportunity
of
one
particular
owner
who
seeks
to
optimize
it.
The
the
economic
hardship
argument
for
me
did
not
hold
water.
We
want
you
to
uphold
the
guidelines.
It's
simple
in
my
mind.
It's
simple
in
my
board's
mind.
We
all
work
together
to
protect
the
historic
district,
to
save
contributing
structures
and
our
first
tests.
Don't
waver,
enforce
the
guidelines.
O
Please
I've
been
in
the
district
30
years,
I'm
very
passionate
about
Hy
Park
I've
lived
13
places
around
the
world
before
I
moved
to
hi
High
Park
I
am
not
leaving
I
love
it
there
and
I
ask
for
your
help
in
protecting
this
special
place.
One
last
thing
I
wanted
to
say,
particularly
on
911,
the
Medal
of
Honor
commission,
the
the
there's
a
convention
every
year
for
Medal
of
Honor
winners,
our
greatest
heroes
a
few
years
ago,
right
before
the
pandemic.
O
That
convention
was
hosted
here
in
Tampa
and
I
was
contacted
by
the
organizers
to
put
on
a
private
home
tour
in
his
historic
HDE
park
for
those
Medal
of
Honor
winners
and
their
families.
That's
how
special
this
place
is
I'm
getting
a
little
choked
up,
because
it
is
911
everything,
but
this
is
really
special,
not
just
to
those
of
us
who
live.
There
are
raising
our
families
there
have
invested
over
and
over
in
the
preservation
of
our
homes
in
our
neighborhood.
This
is
special
to
our
country.
Please
protect
it!
Thank
you.
A
P
P
Hello,
Linda
Aken
l,
I
n
d,
a
a
I
ke,
N
I
live
at
1211
South
gunby
Avenue
in
Hyde,
Park
I'm,
a
board
member
on
the
Historic
hiy
Park
neighborhood
association
and
a
real
estate
agent.
I've
got
just
just
a
couple
of
factual
matters
regarding
the
listing
of
1105,
West
daon.
And
if
you
look
at
on
here,
you
can
see
you
can
see
that
the
property
went
under
contract
on
10312
and
it
closed
on4
2023.
P
So
in
over
60
days,
the
the
buyers
had
an
opportunity
to
do
the
due
diligence
to
contact
whatever
authorities
to
do
whatever
engineering
inspections,
whatever
kind
of
inspections
and
due
diligence.
They
were
interested
in
doing.
And
if
you
look
also
on
the
realtor
remarks,
it's
not
worded
quite
correctly,
but
the
listing
agent
said
it's
the
buyers
and
buyer
agent
responsibility
to
contact
any
and
all
Historic
Society.
P
So
there
was
a
reference
made
earlier
to
the
seller's
property
disclosure
which,
because
the
house
was
not
occupied
by
the
seller
at
the
time
they
did
what's
called
a
non-occupancy
disclosure.
But
nevertheless
it
says
sellers
are
making
no
claims
or
warranties
of
such
property.
It
is
the
sole
responsibility
of
the
buyers
to
inspect
named
property,
to
determine
such
condition.
P
Additionally,
on
either
one
of
the
two
contracts
commonly
used.
The
contract
forms
commonly
used
for
a
residential
sale,
which
this
would
have
been
and
I
submitted
it
as
evidence.
There
are
instructions
and
regarding
inspections,
and
doing
your
due
diligence
and
professional
advice
and
in
bold
it
says:
buyer
agrees
to
rely
solely
on
seller,
professional
inspectors
and
governmental
agencies,
for
verification
of
property
conditions,
square
footage
and
facts
that
materially
or
that
materially
affect
property
value
and
not
representations
or
or
otherwise.
P
So,
regardless
of
how
oops
sorry
doesn't
really
matter,
regardless
of
how
you
look
at
it,
the
buyer
had
sufficient
opportunity
to
do
their
due
diligence
to
in
over
60
days
that
they
were
under
contract
to
have
the
inspections
done
to
inspect
the
historic
record
or
governmental
requirements.
So
I
encourage
you
please
to
leave
it.
Thank
you.
A
Q
You
good
evening
my
name
is
Bill
kesik
I'm,
a
resident
at
912,
South,
Fremont
Avenue,
it's
k,
s
t
l,
I
k
I'm
resident
of
Hud
Park
as
well
as
a
registered
architect.
Neighborhood
is
everything.
Context
is
everything.
This
is
part
of
a
larger
Community.
This
house
needs
to
remain
to
create
the
value
of
this
community.
The
buyer
bought
this
house
because
of
the
value
of
this
community
by
destroying
it
he's
destroying
a
part
of
our
community,
the
value
that
comes
to
the
community.
So
I'm
not
going
to
argue
his
point.
Q
O
R
You
hello,
my
name
is
Jennifer
Stylin
and
I
live
two
streets
from
this
lovely
historic
height
Park
home
several
weeks
ago,
as
I
was
walking.
My
dog
I
noticed
the
request
for
demolition
sign,
I
thought.
Surely
this
was
an
error.
I
am
certainly
surprised
that
I
am
here
right
now
voicing
my
opposition,
because
I
was
under
the
impression
that
our
neighborhood
historic
homes
were
already
protected
and
only
allowed
to
be
restored.
Please
enforce
the
laws,
rules
and
guidelines
that
we
already
have
for
historic
preservation
as
I
understand
it.
The
owners
cannot
afford
the
restoration.
R
I
have
a
few
recommendations
for
them,
because
I
went
through
the
same
situation
30
years
ago,
Di.
Why
do
it
yourself?
Consider
it
a
labor
of
love,
spend
only
what
you
can
afford
at
the
time
restoration
may
take
years.
If
you
don't
love
the
property,
as
it
is,
consider
selling
it
to
someone
who
will
Who
will,
rather
than
de
demolishing
it
and
building
a
cookie
cut
white
elephant.
Maybe
you
need
to
go
to
New
Tampa.
They
are
more
likely
to
have
what
you
are
looking
for
in
the
first
place.
R
So,
just
a
for
just
a
note:
I
saw
found
on
Zillow
one
block
away
approximately
from
this
particular
home
on
610
Newport,
there's
a
restored
home
single
family
built
in
1903
selling
for
2.5
million
and
then
on.
My
street
501
South
Orleans
Avenue
single
family
home
three
blocks
from
this
home
was
sold
on
March
10
2003
for
1.6.
Thank.
S
My
name
is
PM
canella
I
live
at
604,
South
Orleans,
1105,
West
Alon
is
located
in
our
historic
district.
I
know,
you've
heard
all
this
before,
and
our
staff
was
excellent,
but
I
wanted
to
say
something
too.
This
property
is
designated
a
contributing
structure
in
1985.
Most
of
this
area
was
designated
historic,
national
and
local.
In
more
recent
years,
the
residents
have
expanded
the
historic
district
to
save
homes
such
as
this
one
from
being
demolished
developers
from
other
areas
do
not
respect
the
history
I'm.
S
The
historic
value
of
our
neighborhoods
for
them
is
an
opportunity
to
maximize
their
profits.
They
allow
their
properties
to
deteriorate
so
that
they
can
claim
enormous
cost
of
repair
claiming
economic
hardship.
This
is
one
of
the
biggest
problems
happening
in
historic
neighborhoods
today,
demolition
by
neglect
owners
have
a
duty
to
maintain
their
property
and
should
be
held
responsible
as
per
Tampa
code,
chapter
19
and
chapter
27,
as
you
can
see
in
this
picture,
I'm
sure
it
hasn't
been
mowed
since
they
purchase
the
property.
S
This
neighborhood
is
designated
a
historic
district
with
laws,
rules
and
guidelines
that
are
unique
not
only
to
this
applicant
and
his
property,
but
to
everyone
who
lives
or
Buys
in
the
neighborhood
therefore
does
not
fit
the
criteria
for
hardship.
Historic
districts
have
been
proven
to
have
a
positive
and
stabilizing
effect
on
property
value.
S
It
is
this
collection
of
unique
and
historical
homes
in
our
neighborhood
that
attracts
people
to
our
historic
neighborhood.
Preserving
these
homes
for
future
generation
preserves
the
past
and
secures
the
future
our
of
e
of
our
economy
and
City's
growth.
Please
vote
no
to
demolish
no
to
demolish
this
home.
Thank
you.
A
B
I
B
T
Absolutely
good
evening,
Ralph
Scher,
JV
architect,
2401
North,
Howard,
Avenue
I,
live
in
the
Tampa
Heights
historic
district
I've
lived
in
Tampa
for
25
years
done.
His
preservation
work
for
22
to
23
of
those
years,
I've
been
employed
at
JV
architect
for
17
years
of
which
I've
been
doing
historic
district
work
in
hide,
Park,
Tampa,
Heights,
River,
seminal,
Heights
and
Tampa,
Heights,
I'm,
sorry
and
eore
city
specific.
To
this
particular
property.
We
did
evaluate
the
property,
we
did
submit
a
report,
we
stand
by
the
report,
but
that
wasn't
really
your
question.
B
T
T
Al
sir
I
I
I
didn't
I,
didn't
personally
go
through
every
single
fo
foot
of
the
of
the
building,
but
this
project
and
this
building
has
extensive
issues.
There's
no
doubt
about
that.
I
think
the
this
both
Engineers
Express,
that
my
my
opinion
was
that
the
there's
been
significant
addition
and
or
Renovations
that
compromised
its
historic
nature.
I
understand
it's
been
deemed
a
contributing
structure
and
I.
Don't
really
dispute
that
I
would
just
right
our
report,
you.
B
Questioned
whether
the
skirt
was
appropriate,
whether
the
wraparound
porch
was
appropriate,
but
we've
seen
from
the
sandorn
maps
that
that
that
that
was
how
the
house
was
built.
Okay,
understood
and-
and
those
were
your
main
objections
to
it
being
saved
that
that
certain
aspects
of
the
property's
design
did
not
have
historic
significance.
T
B
T
B
T
O
U
U
U
Each
house
is
different,
I
mean
we
we,
you
know
we
inspected
this
home
I
mean
it.
I
can't
attest
to
whether
it's
worse
than
others,
that
I've
worked
on
I
mean
they're
all
require
an
extensive
amount
of
work.
Hence
the
cost
that
was
in
that
budget
I
couldn't
attest,
whether
this
one's
worse
than
the
one
I
worked
on
that
I'm
finishing
up
this
year
or
the
one
that
I
finished
up
two
years
ago,
so
I
mean.
B
J
Leo
Canon,
with
Barrel
engineering
and
inspection
in
addition
to
living
in
the
eore
city,
historic
district,
Ron
and
I
worked
on
several
projects
together.
Over
the
past
decade,
I
was
a
former
member
of
the
ycdc,
which
is
the
eore
city,
Development
Corporation,
which
is
a
part
of
the
CRA
of
eore
city.
Additionally,
our
firm
has
done
several
inspections,
Andor
construction
plans
for
houses
and
seminal
Tampa,
Heights
and
eore
City
over
the
past
decade.
J
B
B
J
B
J
I
know
in
the
MCE
report
the
one
photo
that
was
provided
in
the
report
was
more
of
an
overview
we
had
photos
of
individual
peers.
I
would
have
to
pull
up
that.
Let
pull
up
our
report
to
show
the
some
of
the
peers.
The
majority
of
the
peers
had
some
issues,
especially
on
the
interior,
anything
near
a
former
Plumbing
penetration
such
as
the
kitchens,
the
bathrooms.
B
J
Restoring
a
b,
brick
Pier,
normally
if
it's
on
the
interior
you'd
be
looking
at
replacing
the
brick
Pier
with
a
supplemental,
concrete
block
Pier
with
a
with
foundational
pad.
It's
all
going
to
depend
if
you're
going
from
the
top
down
by
removing
the
floor,
ing
or
if
you're,
going
to
do
tunneling
or
going
into
the
foundation
itself.
So
its
difficulty
would
be
part
of
what
is
the
entire
renovation,
because
there
are
two
different
means
and
methods
that
you
can
use
to
restore
those
on
the
perimeter.
B
J
Traditionally,
we
will
rank
Timber,
especially
wood
elements
on
a
loss
of
section
scale
which
is
commonly
used
by
the
insurance
companies,
we'll
rate
them
between
0
and
15%,
as
not
structurally
compromised
between
15
and
35%.
Generally,
you
would
then
either
sister
or
scab
additional
lumber
on
both
sides
of
it,
and
then
anything
over
35%
is
considered
structurally
compromised.
In
this
instance,
majority
of
what
we
found
was
probably
in
the
0
to
Mark.
There
was
some
15
to
35,
which
would
need
some
additional
sistering
and
or.
C
C
I
It's
my
understanding
that
the
applicant
worked
with
their
architectural
consultant
and
they
confirmed
the
zoning
at
that
time,
because
the
zoning
was
what
it
was.
It
was
not
part
of
the
historic
hi,
High,
Park
or
High
Park
historical
district
during
during
the
due
diligence
period,
as
I
stated,
nothing
would
have
showed
up
in
the
record
that
this
was
on
the
historical
High,
Park
historic
district
until
the
until
after
the
sale
went
through,
the
property
had
been
dormant
for
a
long
time.
I
C
All
right
so
then,
my
next,
let's
see
so
again
back
to
the
owner.
We
see
the
bid
that
you
had
come
in
or
the
estimate
I
should
call
it
for
the
renovation
cost.
Was
this
the
only
set
of
numbers
that
you
had
put
together
for
this
project,
or
did
you
have
multiple
General
Contractors?
Take
a
look
at
this
that
had
historical
preservation,
experience.
I
E
C
All
right
and
then
the
last
question
I
have
for
you
right
now.
Is
you
mentioned
in
your
presentation
that
part
of
the
problem
and
why
we're
here
now
is,
in
the
past,
all
the
code
violations
that
had
contributed
to
this
structure
falling
into
its
dilapidated
state?
Are
you
aware
that
there's
current
code
violations
on
the
property.
I
C
Barl
most
of
the
questions
I
had
got
previously
asked,
but
I
would,
as
I,
visited
this
particular
property
and
and
took
a
look.
You
know
from
a
distance
from
the
front
and
the
rear,
as
well
as
the
side
elevations.
One
thing
that
I
that
jumped
out
at
me
was
after
reading
the
reports
and
and
seeing
the
engineering
Port
basically
say
this
home
cannot
be
lived
in.
It's
uninhabitable.
I
noticed
that
the
ridge
beams
seem
to
be
level
all
the
window.
Seals
seem
to
be
level.
All
the
seal
beams
seem
to
be
level.
C
J
Well,
I
mean
we
do
have
the
foundation
problem
that
this
home
is
uninhabitable.
So
I
guess
I'm
not
following
the
question
we
do
have
the
foundational
issues
you're
talking
about,
have
they
manifested
towards
the
exterior
no,
but
we
do
see
the
interior
stress,
cracking
and
above
doors
and
windows.
We
have
the
interior
stress,
crackings
happening
in
the
structural
Nature
by
which
we
would
see
once
you
start
taking
that
siding
off
I'm
sure
that
will
become
even
more
self-evident.
J
No,
we
did
not
not
to
this
extent,
I
mean
these
are
if
I
guess,
the
equivalent
of
15
20y
old.
Having
these
types
of
stress
cracks
would
be
more
like
full,
subsistance
or
sinkhole
type
I
mean
you'd,
be
comparing
a
15,
20y
old,
typically
block
CMU
home
to
what
this
was.
Is
a
100y
old,
p
and
beam
wood
foundation.
J
J
C
C
I'm
not
asking
about
the
I'm
I'm
when
we
look
at
it
from
the
outside
cuz,
unfortunately,
as
a
board.
If
we
go
into
the
neighborhood
and
look
at
a
property,
we're
not
allowed
into
the
property,
so
the
testimony
that
I'm
hearing
is
is
hey
the
inside's
a
lot
worse
than
the
outside.
So
what
I'm
trying
to
get
here
is
we're
not
seeing
it
from
the
outside
that
there's
interior
damage
and
even
the
pictures
we
have
don't
really
show
me
sloping
floors.
If
you
will
I.
Yes,
I
see
some
wood
deterioration.
C
Yes,
I
see
some
termite
damage,
but
nothing
structural,
because
it's
all
covered
up
so
I'm
just
trying
to
get
an
idea
of
cuz.
When
I
read
your
report,
it
sounds
like
the
foundation
is
completely
gone,
but
my
guess
would
be
that
it's
only
a
small
percentage
of
the
peers
that
are
actually
dilapidated
to
the
point
that
they
need
to
be
completely
replaced,
and
so
that's
what
I'm
I'm
asking
is.
How
just
like
my
fellow
commissioner
asked
how
many
of
those
peers
need
to
be
replaced?
C
How
many
could
be
repaired
and
there's
many
different
ways
to
do
that,
and
would
they
be
causing
structural
issues
that
we
should
be
able
to
see
up
through
the
again?
The
foundation
is
just
that
it's
holding
everything.
So
if
it's
settling
wouldn't
it
make
sense
that
we
would
see
some
of
that
from
the
exterior.
J
C
The
only
other
question
I
have
for
you
is:
there
was
a
mention
of
the
floors
bouncing
you
were
not
the
one
that
did
the
assessment,
so
unfortunately,
you
may
not
be
able
to
speak
to
this
as
far
as
how
much
bounce
is
there.
Let's
say
it's
really
bad.
You
testified
that
you
have
extensive
historic
preservation
experience.
Would
you
agree
that
most
historic
homes
and
the
type
of
construction
that
was
used
do
have
some
sort
of
Bounce
in
the
floor.
J
System
since
I
didn't
walk
this
property,
I
can
just
talk
about
other
houses
that
I've
been
in.
They
will
have
some
level
of
Bounce
some
more
areas
than
others
spaces
between
peers.
Usually,
when
you
get
to
that
middle
point
between
peers,
that's
where
you'll
start
to
have
a
extra
level
of
Bounce
per
se,
so
it
vary
from
structure
to
structure
and
even
inside
of
a
structure
would
vary
on
locations.
Your
distance
to
Piers.
So.
J
Traditionally,
what
happens
is
we're
going
to
take
an
example
of
a
we'll
just
take
one
of
the
thousand
foot
Sears
robu
1926
Bungalows
that
you
can
find
in
seminal
Heights
traditionally,
when
you're
rebuilding
those
foundations,
you'll
have
that
Center
Line
beam
and
then
you'll
have
the
two
on
the
end.
And
then,
when
you
rebuilding
the
floor
system,
you
end
up
putting
two
supplemental
beams
in
it.
It's
actually
adding
two
beams.
So
then
you
split
that
Foundation
into
five
support
beams.
C
U
It
varies
per
per
per
job,
I
mean
this
one.
Obviously,
when
we
did
the
cost
estimate
for
this
particular
project,
we
didn't
have
plans.
We
didn't
have
engineering,
so
I
had
to
base
it
off
of
two
very
recent
projects
that
we've
done
in
the
district
and
I
kind
of
use
that
to
extrapolate
my
numbers
based
on
what
I
think
would
need
to
be
done.
U
U
That's
that's
what
I
came
up
with
for
this
particular
Project,
without
plans
without
engineering
based
off
of
the
experience
that
I've
had
with
the
other
similar
homes
in
the
Hyde
Park
District?
Okay.
So
what?
If
that
you
know,
once
you
had
an
engineering
set
of
drawings
and
Architectural
plans?
Would
that
number
be
exactly
the
same
now
I
mean
would
have
to
be
looked
at
with
all
the
different
quantitative
information,
but
I
was
working
off
of
you
know
historic
data
at
this
point
and
and
a
site
observation.
U
U
Them
I,
don't
know
how
many
peers
underne
the
house
I,
don't
have
a
count,
but
all
I
mean
none
of
them
are
built
to
code.
So
there's
no
footings,
you
know,
there's
no
vertical
steel.
There's
no
concrete
block.
There's
no
tie
downs
for
the
foundation.
So
in
order
to
bring
this
house
up
the
code,
you
would
have
to
replace
all
the
peers.
B
U
U
So
assuming
this
is
similar
level
of
renovation,
which
you
know
the
the
both
Engineers
have
testified
that
the
exterior
walls
would
need
to
be
brought
up
to
code
and
there's
probably
some
beam
issues.
Yeah
I
mean
it
it.
It
may
require
all
of
the
peers
to
be
replaced,
but
again
without
an
engine
engineered
set
of
drawings,
I'm
speculating,
but
that's
I'm,
making
it
clear
that
that's
how
it
came
up
with
my
numbers.
U
C
C
And
it
doesn't
always
mean
a
complete
new
footer
with
new
block
and
new
rebar
and
block
fill.
There
are
other
ways
to
do
that,
so
so
what
you
just
told
me,
though,
was
the
two
previous
projects
that
you're
referring
to.
Of
course,
I,
don't
know
where
they
are,
don't
know
the
extent
of
the
renovation,
but
that
you
were,
you
were
required
to
completely
rebuild
them,
and
so
what
I
was
asking
was:
was
that
a
requirement
that
the
building
department
required
or
was
that
a
requirement.
U
M
U
C
U
Well,
this
goes
back
to
the
and
I
use
these
two
projects-
cuz
they're,
the
most
recent
ones.
We've
done
many
more,
but
you
know
we
had
extensive
structural
issues
with
these
two
other
projects
and
I
use
these
two
as
a
basis
for
what
I
speculate
will
happen
on
this
one.
You
know
the
floor
floor
system
had
to
be.
We
didn't
remove
all
the
floor
beans,
but
we
had
to
put
in
new
ones
sister
up
others.
We
had
Foundation
repairs
which
led
into
you
know
the
exterior
walls
which
you
know
on
on
a
couple
of
those.
U
Maybe
we
were
saving
20%
of
the
studs,
the
other
80%
were
damaged
or
they
weren't
working
with
the
plans
called
for
all
new
windows
on
the
house.
So,
in
order
to
put
a
hurricane
impact
rated
window
in
the
in
the
exterior
wall,
we
have
to
frame
the
opening.
So
it's
it's
a
it's
a
hurricane
imped
rated
opening,
not
just
the
window,
so
we
have
to
put
straps
the
correct
number
of
jacks
headers.
You
probably
know
this
being
a
contractor.
U
So,
in
order
to
do
all
that,
but
the
time
at
the
end
of
the
day,
most
of
the
siding
had
to
get
removed
so
and
then
the
same
thing.
We
had
the
same
Pro,
you
know
situations
with
the
roof
and
this
house,
you
know
when
I
was
in
the
house
and
I
was
looking
up
underneath
the
Second
Story
Edition
I
could
clearly
see
that
there's
been
a
lot
of
modifications
to
that
roof
structure
and
floor
structure
with
pressure
treated
wood,
and
you
know
some
unconventional
ways
of
framing.
U
B
U
But
no
it's
not
based
on
engineering
I
mean,
of
course,
the
engineers
testify
that
a
lot
of
the
the
peers
and
are
problematic
There's
issues
with
the
wall
framing
there's
issue
with
the
floors,
there's
issue
with
the
roof,
but
has
anybody
uncovered
the
house
taking
the
siding
off
or
demolished
the
interior
and
taking
off
all
the
old
plaster
to
study
what
we
actually
need
to
do?
No,
that
hasn't
been
done,
because
you
know.
B
C
Properties
I
have
to
ask
these
questions
because
I
don't
necessarily
know
why
a
lot
of
these
materials
are
being
replaced,
especially
on
the
structural
side.
So,
for
example,
if
you're
already
going
to
demolish
the
interior,
so
you're
going
to
remove
all
the
plaster
off
the
interior
walls.
Would
that
not
expose
the
studs
from
the
inside.
U
Yeah
but
I'm
I'm,
assuming
the
homeowner,
wants
to
replace
the
windows,
so
they
don't
have
old
windows.
That's
a
pretty
typical
thing
in
hide
Park
to
replace
a
lot
of
the
windows.
We
use
wood.
You
know,
wood
impact
rated
windows.
So
if
the
windows
are
not
getting
replaced,
then
there
would
not
be
a
need
for
rebuilding
that
window.
Opening
and
adding
the
hurricane
Hardware.
So
I
just
don't
know
what
condition
the
house
is
in
so
I'm.
C
You're
going
to
you're
going
to,
but
unfortunately
your
client
is
using
that
worst
case
scenario
to
try
to
show
a
hardship
understand.
So
we
have
to
ask
these
questions
because
we
have
to
understand
where
the
numbers
are
coming
from
so
you're
telling
us
that
you
cannot
open
a
window
opening
from
the
inside
reframe
it
from
the
inside
and
get
it
and
get
the
metal
strapping
in
place.
That
would
be
installed
from
the
inside
whether
you
were
building
new
old
or
indifferent,
without
removing
the
exterior,
siding
and
sheeting.
If,
if
it's
even
there,.
U
Well,
typically,
when
we
put
new
windows
in
if
we're
going
to
redo
all
of
the
window,
Windows
we're
going
to
want
to
add
plywood
sheathing
to
the
home,
because
that's
a
the
best
way
to
put
a
new
window
in
and
get
or
correct
waterproofing,
and
that
adds
a
whole
another
level
of
structural
stability
to
the
home.
So,
in
order
to
do
that,
yes,
the
siding
would
need
to
get
replaced.
U
If
you
didn't
want
to
put
plywood
sheathing
on
there
and
take
your
chances
of
trying
to
waterproof
the
window
in
an
old
wall
with
old
studs,
we
would
we
could
do
it
from
the
inside.
But
but
for
me
personally,
when
I
do
these
projects
I
want
to
give
the
homeowner
something
that
they
don't
have
to
call
me
back
on
in
six
months,
because
their
Windows
leaking
and
if
I
can
put
plywood
on
the
outside
of
the
home
and
rebuild
that
opening,
Plum
and
square
and
put
in
a
new
window
that
I
can
guarantee
that.
U
Well,
it's
difficult
to
see
a
lot
in
the
building
just
CU.
There
was
a
drop
acoustic
ceiling
in
there
so
where
the
walls
Plum
and
square
I
didn't
I
didn't
have
my
level,
but
I
mean
this.
I
did
observe
the
cracks
that
the
engineer
is
testified
too.
So
that
usually
means
there
is
some
differential
settlement
going
on?
How
add
a
plum,
I
don't
know.
U
C
C
C
Those
rafter
taals
that
are
exposed
going
down
that
right
side
with
the
sh
or
actually
there
the
left
side
again.
You
you
mentioned
that
you've
been
to
the
property
you've
been
through
the
property.
Pretty
extensively.
Did
you
notice,
while
you
were
there
any?
You
know,
deflection,
Boe
deterioration
for
that
matter
on
the
Rapter
taals
that
have
been
exposed
for.
U
100
years
deflection
how
bad
it
was,
it
was
difficult.
I
mean
what
I
do
remember.
I
mean
I'm,
testifying
I,
do
remember
the
floor.
Being
wavy,
okay,
I
mean
pretty
wavy,
but
that's
pretty
common
in
every
project
we've
ever
worked
on
they're,
always
weighty,
the
walls
are
always
out
of
Plum
I
mean
that's
something
we
work
with
and
we
we
fix
it.
So
I
mean
I'm,
not
saying
it's
perfect
and
it's
I'm
not
saying
it's.
U
You
know
the
wor
but
I'm,
giving
you
guys
a
worst
case
situation
and
that
those
are
the
two
things
that
I've
encountered
on
my
last
two
projects.
So
I
don't
know
where
this
one's
going.
But
you
know
you
you
can
take
multiple
different
routes
to
renovating
an
old
home
like
this.
You
can
go
all
out
or
you
can
do
partial
I.
Just
don't
have
anybody
telling
me
what
I
would
be
doing
so
I'm
giving
you
my
version
of
what
I
think
would
happen?
That's
all.
C
U
Out
that
that's
something
I
would
subcontract
out
to
a
company
like
l
or
bayar
Builders
I
mean,
but
that
that
include
footings
that
would
include
peers.
That
would
include
replac
ing
a
significant
amount
of
of
the
main
beams.
If
those
are
damaged,
yeah
I
mean
that
number
is
realistic.
It
could
be
more,
I
mean
I,
don't
we
don't
know
the
exact
condition,
but
you.
U
Got
guys
that
have
to
crawl
underneath
the
house
and
Shore
the
whole
thing
up
dig
a
footing.
You
know:
dig
20
footings,
30
footings
crawling
in
there
with
a
hose
pump.
The
concrete
in
there
build
so
everything's
done
in
a
crawl
space
where
you're
working
with
a
space
like
that,
so
I
mean
you're,
going
to
pay
a
significant,
more
amount
of
money
for
a
footing
underneath
the
house
than
you
would.
If
you
didn't
have
the
house
there
and
you're
just
starting.
U
B
B
U
C
C
U
C
E
U
U
C
C
C
U
I'm
I'm
going
to
go
back
to
how
I
came
up
with
this
number
because
we
could
nitpick
the
roof.
We
could
nitpick
the
baseboard
I'm
I'm,
basing
it
off
of
two
projects
that
I've
finished
in
the
past
three
years.
They
were
old
homes
in
historic,
hide,
Park,
not
the
same
square,
footage
plus
or
minus
4
500
square
ft.
Both
of
these
projects
required
extensive
repairs,
so
I
took
those
numbers
since
I
didn't
have
plans
and
Engineering
drawings
and
I
extrapolated.
This
number
from
those
two
projects.
C
So,
okay,
so
I
will
ask
this
question
getting
away
from
the
the
actual
preservation
SL
renovation
side
of
this,
because
the
other
thing
that
jumped
out
at
me
was
there's
a
lot
of
items
in
this
pricing
that
it
looks
to
me
and
and
I'm
asking
if
you
would
agree
that
they
would
have
to
do
whether
they
built
new
or
they
renovated,
such
as
Landscaping
painting
Cabinetry.
Would
those
numbers
not
be
for
either
or
that's
not
an
extra
expense
is
what
I'm
asking.
U
U
U
C
C
Rebuild
from
the
inside
out
and
or
outside
in,
but
what
I'm
trying
to
to
get
you
to
answer
is
a
lot
of
these
items.
Are
cosmetic
flooring,
Cabinetry,
countertops,
Plumbing,
you've
even
got
replacing
the
electrical.
My
assumption
would
be
and
I
hate
to
I'm,
not
going
to
say
I'm
going
to
ask.
Was
there
an
inspection
done
on
the
electrical
to
see?
Is
the
electrical
current
or
is
it
knob
and
tube.
A
E
A
Questions
so
for
the
owner
agent.
Has
there
been
any
estimated
construction
budget
for
new
construction?
Is
our
understanding-
and
it's
been
testimony
here
tonight
that
there
is
plans
for
proposed
new
construction
on
the
on
the
property
and
that
you're
ready
to
go
with
an
architect
team?
If
those
plans
are
available,
has
a
construction
budget.
A
Okay,
so
in
your
slide
presentation
there
was
a
slide
which
had
all
the
numbers
that
talked
about.
You
know
the
median
sold
median
listing
prices
and
then
it
talked
about
the
appraisal
when
it
was
when
it
was
first
bought
and
then
the
appraisal.
And
then
there
was
another
slide
which
talked
about
before
demo
and
after
demo,
assessments
in
that
particular
number.
It
was
543,000
plus
or
minus
assessment
by
the
city
in
2022,
I,
believe
and
that
there
was
a
number
given
after
demo
of
725,000
who
gave
that
number.
The
725.
I
A
A
So
what
I
find
fascinating
about
those
numbers
is
that
it's
in
higher
value
than
without
the
so
there's
a
lot
of
value
in
the
land.
So
when
we're
talking
about
hardship,
financial
hardship
and
we
look
at
the
numbers
spent
730,000
to
purchase
another
800
or
so,
if
those,
if
those
worst
case
scenario
numbers
are
where
you
end
up
and
ending
up
with
that
1.5
1.6
million
spend,
but
you
actually
have
a
725k
value
in
the
land
in
the
property.
Really.
What
is
that?
I
At
so
I
did
spend
some
time
researching
what
is
a
reasonable
investment
back
expectation
and
the
definition
there
isn't
a
hard
or
fast
definition.
It
is
a
fact,
specific
evaluation-
it's
usually
looked
at
in
a
case
of
takings
or
inverse
condemnation
claims,
and
it's
also
noted
for
an
inum
condemnation
claim
also
known
as
a
BT
Harris
action.
It's
noted
in
Florida
statute,
70.1,
subsection,
B2,
three
I'm,
sorry,
two
3
B2
and
it
could
be
an
activity
or
such
reasonable
foreseeable
non-speculative
land
uses
for
that
property.
I
When
the
applicant
purchased
the
property,
it
was
zoned
multif
family.
It
was
not
in
historic,
Hy,
Park,
District,
and
so
looking
at
his
reasonably
investment
backed
expectation,
it
was
to
be
able
to
to
increase
the
value
of
that
property
for
just
that
property
and
the
surrounding
area
by
putting
in
the
new
construction
there.
So
that
is
what
we're
looking
at
we're
looking
at
the
what
he
could
reasonably
foreseeably
do
with
that
property
at
the
date
of
purchase
would
be
to
tear
down
that
structure
and
build
the
three
town
homes.
C
F
So
under
27260,
which
is
kind
of
aligned
with
the
historic
preservation
commission
code,
there
is
a
process
for
review
of
structures
that
are
50
years
or
older
and
that
the
the
administrator
should
have
28
days
to
apply
certain
criteria
from
the
receipt
of
a
demolition
permit
which
we
have
not
received
until
this
application
was
submitted.
And
there
are
certain
criteria
that
are
considered
so
under
27260
B1.
F
If
the
building
site
structure
object
has
historical,
architectural
or
archaeological
significance,
because
one
it's
listed
on
the
national
register
of
historic
places
individually,
not
as
a
contributing
structure,
if
it
meets
the
criteria
for
individual
listing
on
the
national
register,
historic
places,
but
has
not
been
designated
or
that
is
identified
as
a
contributing
structure
to
Historic
District.
That
is
either
pending
for
listing
which
this
was
or
is
listed
on.
The
national
register
historic
places,
but
which
has
not
yet
been
designated
under.
The
provision
of
this
chapter
so
had
I
received.
F
C
They
would
have
applied
this
section
of
the
if
we
go
back
to
their
timeline
of
when
this
particular
property
was
contracted
were,
or
was
the
city
already
advertising,
and-
and
there
was
a
a
form
that
was
shown
to
us
and
kind
of
shown.
The
timeline,
but
I
again
just
want
to
confirm
that
when
the
property
went
under
contract
that
this
area
of
HDE
Park
was
in
fact
already
in
process
of
being
discussed
for
inclusion
into
the
existing
local
historic
district.
F
A
I
I
C
Correctly
sh
under
his
reasoning
for
or
or
should
say
he,
but
under
Barrel's
reasoning,
for
deeming
this
property
unsafe
number
one-
it
says
the
building
or
structure
has
collapsed,
has
partially
collapsed,
has
moved
of
its
foundation
or
lacks
the
necessary
support
of
the
ground.
So
could
they
come
up
here
and
and
maybe
clarify
for
us
because
once
again,
I've
not
seen
a
picture
yet
that
shows
the
home
being
supported
by
the
ground.
Everything
seems
to
still
be
supported
by
the
foundation
that
was
was
built
for
this
home
in
1908.
D
C
J
We
would
say
that,
based
on
some
of
the
peers
that
we
have
photograph
later
in
the
report,
it's
showing
that
the
home
has
shifted,
which
later
we
confirmed
by
looking
in
the
interior
walls
where
I
talked
about
those
stress
cracks
going
into
the
interior,
showing
that
shift
within
the
structure
itself.
So
that's
would
be
considered
a
partial
collapse.
C
And
so
again,
number
two
says
there
exists
a
significant
risk
of
collapse,
attachment
or
dislodgment.
So
again,
just
trying
to
reiterate
here
and
make
sure
I've
got
a
clear
picture.
You
are
stating
based
on
the
partial
deterioration,
Andor
collapse.
In
quotation.
Marks
of
these
peers
is
deeming
this
home
unsafe
and
an
uninhabitable.
J
C
Would
would
and
so
again
one
just
you
told
us
about
your
extensive
background
with
historic
properties.
You
said
you
live
in
one,
not
sure
if
you
renovated
it
or
not,
but
because
of
that
experience,
I'm
assuming
or
I'll
ask
you
know,
have
you
worked
with?
Are
we
talking
10
clients
on
historic
Properties,
or
are
we
talking
a
hundred,
maybe
a
thousand?
What
number
would
you
say?
You've
worked
with
homes
that
are
much
comparable
and
much
like
this
particular
home
at
the
this
phase
of
the
renovation
stage,.
J
We've
worked
with
homes
throughout
all
phases
of
its
renovation,
from
the
initial
inspection
Andor
design
through
the
construction
doing
some
kind
of
we
even
do
third
party
private
provider
inspections
through
the
construction
phase,
so
for
homes
of
this
age.
Well,
this
one's
113
years
old,
but
generally
they're
around
a
100.
We
primarily
will
do
more
work
in
the
eore,
City,
Tampa,
Heights
and
seminal
Heights.
Since
we're
we
were
based
out
of
eore
City
for
a
while.
J
Clients
we
inspect
homes
that
are
both
lived
in
and
vacant,
so
there's
different
varying
of
homes
that
we
will
inspect
and
different
types
of
inspections.
We
do
our
firm
does
everything
from
the
my
state,
Florida
home
wind
mitigation
inspections,
we've
done
like
11,000
for
the
State
of
Florida,
and
then
we've
done
more
specialized
inspections,
forensics.
C
J
C
J
B
Just
one
clarification:
your
your
client
was
not
aware
that
the
building
was
in
on
the
day
before
it
was
sign
declared
by
the
city
council.
It
was
in
the
local,
historic
district.
Your
client
always
knew
it
was
in
the
National
Historic
District,
because
it's
been
in
the
National
Historic
District
for
decades.
I
B
S
I
Understand
we
have
the
administrator
saying
how
he
would
make
his
administrative
determination
on
whether
or
not
he
would
have
brought
the
request
demolished
the
structure
before
the
Architectural
Review
commission,
but
either
either
way.
It's
not
going
to
change
the
fact
if
that
regulation
is
going
to
cause
an
economic
hardship
for
a
person
who
can
reasonably
foreseeably
use
that
property
as
a
multi-unit
building
and
is
now
being
told,
no
make
it
a
single
building
with
an
accessory
structure
or
slap
paint
on
the
structure.
I
E
I
I
So,
yes,
I
see
the
numbers
that
staff
brought
up
with
the
1.8,
but
even
so
the
median
listing
price
is
still
684.
I
think
we
quoted
615,
that's
still
substantially
less
than
the
over
1,000
or
1100
per
square
foot
that
we
get.
When
we
look
at
the
cost
estimate
that
was
provided
to
us
by
our
contractor
consultant.
Our
contractor
has
stated
that
these
are
not
numbers
that
he
pulled
out
of
thin
air.
I
He
is
looking
at
two
comparable
projects
within
the
historic
High,
Park
District
and
basing
his
numbers
off
of
the
level
of
work
that
was
required
for
those
structures.
He
does
admit
it
could
be
less.
It
could
be
more,
but
it
could
be
more.
The
last
approved
demolition
that
the
arc
approved
was
in
2020.
It
was
approved
after
the
consult
or
the
applicant
had
to
go
and
do
extensive,
pulling
out
of
walls.
Starting
the
rehabilitation
process
to
understand
that
you
know
what
this
does
have
to
be
completely
torn
down.
I
I
think
asking
applicants
to
go
to
that
extent
and
spend
that
money
is
an
economic
hardship.
It's
not
reasonable
to
ask
the
applicant
to
do
that.
All
he
can
do
is
is
depend
on
his
Consultants,
which
a
structural
engineer
who
looked
into
that
property
provided
that
report.
So
our
consultant
got
his
estimate
both
from
the
structural
engineering
report
and
from
comparables
in
the
area.
I
I
do
want
to
remind
the
board
too,
or
the
commission
of
the
the
democra
that
you're
getting
and
I
would
deplore
the
neighborhood
to
think
about
the
demographic
that
you're
getting
you've
had
vagrancy
at
this
site.
You've
had,
if
you're
just
going
to
ask
him
to
keep
a
single
family
home
and
try
to
get
a
renter
in
there,
a
he's
not
going
to
get
his
reasonable
investment
back
expectation
and
B.
It's
not
going
to
be
good
for
the
neighborhood,
so
I
understand
that
the
goal
is
to
preserve
historic
structures.
I
I
B
A
A
B
To
price
an
entire
re
build
basically
right
to
to,
and
and
also
to
bring
it
up
to
code
which
in
historic
preservation,
you
know
there
there's
no
point
in
bringing
up
I
mean
you
you,
you
basically
have
to
take
out
the
entire
house
to
bring
a
historic
house
up
to
current
Florida
building
code.
You
have
to
tear
it
down
and
and
that's
not
what
you
do
in
historic
districts
and
that's
not
what
you
do
with
preservation.
You
know
we.
C
C
C
What
he
was
directed
to
do
of
of-
please
give
me
a
worst
case
scenario
to
present
and
when
I
look
at
the
size
of
this
home,
home
and
I,
look
at
the
what
I
can
from
from
what
I
can
tell
from
the
outside
from
the
sidewalk
from
the
alley
again
I
wish
I
could
have
gotten
inside
this
home.
I
wish
I
could
get
underneath
this
home,
because
what
I
see
is
a
a
crawl
space
that
is
actually
a
little
higher,
or
at
least
as
high
as
or
or
should
say
more
higher
than
most.
C
E
B
C
Neighborhood
inside
may
be
worse
than
what
we
see
from
the
outside
I'm,
not
seeing
it
in
the
pictures,
but
I
took
the
time
as
I'm
sure
is
all
you
did
to
go
to
the
neighborhood
go
to
the
property.
I
walked
the
neighborhood
and
it
didn't
take
long
cuz.
It
was
only
about
a
block
away
that
there
was
actually
two
properties
currently
being
renovated
that
looked
to
be
in
worse
shape
from
the
outside
than
this
particular
property
in
question.
A
And
and
be
quite
honest,
you
know
there,
there
was
a
statement
about
zon
doesn't
become
a
thing
until
you
close
and
you
own
the
property,
but
most
people,
especially
developers
they
do
their
due
diligence.
They
do
go.
Look
at
the
property,
appraisers
information,
that's
available.
They
start
to
dig
in
to
know
what
they
can
do.
Proformer
wise
I,
just
can't
I
can't
believe
that
a
developer
with
experience
wouldn't
have
uncovered
that
and
it
it.
It
just
begs.
E
A
But
they
were
occupied
up
until
about
two
years
ago
it
seems
and
three
units.
Nowhere
in
the
testimony
given
today
by
staff
and
their
staff
report
was
it
stated
that
they
could
not
develop
it
fully.
In
fact,
there
were
options
shown
and
they
weren't
all
the
options
that
are
available
and
I
think
until
more
due
diligence
is
done
on
the
part
of
the
owner.
It's
a
failure.
B
One
of
the
amazing
when
I
went
to
the
building
when
I
went
to
the
property
and
I
drove
by
I'm
like
this
is
the
exterior
is
pristine.
It's
almost
impeccable.
It's
almost
straighter
than
many
houses
that
are
currently
being
occupied.
It's
straighter
plumber,
there's
less
sign
of
sagging.
There's
no
roof.
Ridge
sagging!
There's
it's
it's
it's
in
better
shape
from
the
exterior
than
most
houses
in
the
neighborhood.
A
And
I
think
when
you
look
at
the
interior
photos
that
are
available
to
us
in
the
agent's
booklet,
there
is
no
sagging
ceiling.
Sure
there
are
some
drop
ceilings
and
maybe
some
stucco
that's
pulled
away.
But
that's
because
water's
been
able
to
intrude
but
they're
not
failing,
because
the
structure
is
failing.
It
looks
like.
E
A
C
A
C
E
C
B
B
C
B
D
Also
they
have.
It
has
been
spoken
that
they
have
an
expection
of
a
reasonable
return,
but
that
expectation,
expectation
of
reasonable
return
is
based
on
incomplete
information
because
they
did
not
factor
in
the
difficulty.
In
doing
you
know
three
T
three
we
have
I
can
we
can
really
easily
assume
these
Town
Homes
right,
where
the
return
would
be
considerably
higher
than
if
they
had
kept
the
then
if
they
do
not
demolish
yes,
so
that's
you
know
the
rest
of
it
is.
You
know
that
seems.
B
To
be
FAL
to
this,
this
one
of
the
other
aspects
is
the
hardship
issue
is
the
hardship
issue
involves
an
$800
and
some
th000
number
of
renovation.
That
is
completely
unsupported
and
totally
a
guess
and
based
upon
other
properties,
not
this
property
and
not
a
thorough
inspection
of
this
property,
not
a
partial
demolition
of
this
property.
Not
you
know
it.
It's
it's
based
upon
a
total
worst
case
scenario,
guess,
but
that
may
not
be
what
it
is.
A
B
A
E
B
A
F
A
Asked
look
at
this
and
give
us
the
worst
case
scenario
numbers
for
renovating,
rehabilitating
this
structure
so
that
it's
livable
again
it
was
not
clear,
clear
out
the
whole
thing
and
build
a
brand
new.
That
was
the
Assumption
made,
that's
what
the
testimony
was
given
to,
and
so
the
numbers
are
not
a
complete
replacement.
Yes,
we
can
all
agree
that
most
of
the
material
original
material
is
going
to
be
demolished.
A
The
testimony
given
in
line
item
the
testimony
given
to
tonight
was
not
that
they
would
be
yes,
they
would
be
adding
structural
beams.
Yes,
they
would
be
adding
joist.
Yes,
they
would
be
adding
stud
framing.
Yes,
they
assumed
that
the
owner
would
want
hurricane
doors
and
windows,
and
so
therefore
they
assumed
that
they
would
add
in.
A
A
Construction
and
that's
what
their
whole
argument
is
if
it
was
a
brand
new
construction
based
on
their
argument
and
their
testimony,
it
would
be
a
different
number
and
we
can't
know
that
we
aren't
in
the
marketplace,
we're
not
the
contractors
with
those
subs
there's
only
one
contractor
on
this
commission.
We
cannot
know
that.
C
Well,
he
did
testify,
though,
that
he
would
be
removing,
based
on
the
other
two
projects
that
are
comparable,
the
siding,
so
he
could
resheath
the
walls
correct
and
he
would
he
assumed
he
would
be
resheathing
the
roof
system
as
well,
and
then
he
hasn't
here
is
a
line
onum
on
his
pricing
model.
Even
reframing,
like
the
Gable
enss
I
mean
he's
he's
line
item
a
lot
of
of.
A
C
B
And
piece
by
piece
correct:
that's
how
I
interpreted
the
the
testimony
is
that
basically,
the
house
would
be
replaced
piece
by
piece.
Every
window
frame
floor,
subfloor,
Pier,
Foundation,
slab
window
door,
shingle
everything
and
we
would
basically
it
would
not
be
it
would
not
be
in.
It
would
not
be
an
old
house
anymore.
C
So
this
financial
hardship,
even
if
these
were
true
numbers-
let's,
let's,
let's
assume
they
are
when
this
home
was
contracted.
We
got
testimony
from
staff
that,
if
they
applied
for
a
demo
permit,
then
they
would
have
still
had
to
gone
through
a
process
to
get
this
home
demolished
because
it's
more
than
50
years
old
and
it
fell
within
it.
C
Correct
so
even
when
this
home
was
contracted
and
definitely
during
the
diligence
period,
there
was
ample
opportunity
to
ask
the
right
people
ask
their
Consultants
to
ask
the
right
people
ask
the
right
questions
and
to
potentially
back
out
of
this
contract.
If
this
particular
piece
of
property
did
not
meet
what
their
investment
slash.
You
know.
E
A
What
their
pre
gos
were
that
part
of
the
argument,
in
my
opinion,
doesn't
stand
because
no
at
no
point
in
the
testimony
given
tonight
was
it
stated
that
they
did
not
have
the
opportunity
to
to
take
what
they
were
allowed
to
do.
Under
the
zoning
ordinance
currently
for
their
zoning
and
develop
it
with
three
units
at
no
time
where
they
told
they
couldn't
do
that,
whether
or
not
they
can
do
three
Standalone
town
houses
remains
to
be
seen.
I
mean
we
haven't
seen
any
documentation
stating
that
they
can't
do
it
on
their
part.
So.
C
And
I
have
to
agree
what
I
was
saying
was
the
testimony
we
got
tonight
was
the
only
the
reason
I
want
to
demolish.
It
is
so
they
can
build
back
new
because
it
doesn't
seem
they've,
looked
at
alternative
ways
to
rehabilitate
this
property,
but
the
hardship
was
created
due
to
a
lack
of
diligence
is
what
it
looks
like
to
me,
because
the
property
was
always
in
a
pending
historic
district.
D
M
A
G
I
just
want
to
thank
you.
I
do
I,
just
want
to
remind
remind
you
that
you
know
that
the
criteria
is
stated
in
the
code,
27-16
F
and,
as
you
articulate
your
motion,
just
to
be
sure,
to
tie
back
your
motion
to
your
specific
findings
of
fact
in
this
situation.
With
regard
to
your
consideration
of
the
evidence,
as
stated
in
your
staff
report,
as.
D
S
D
D
Ordinances
as
the
submitted
application
and
accompanying
documents,
and
testimony
did
not
demonstrate
that
the
threshold
of
economic
hardship
was
met.
We
believe
that
a
reasonable,
beneficial
use
can
be
generated
without
the
approval
of
the
demolition,
o
demolition
application
and
that
the
site
can
obtain
a
reasonable
return
from
the
existing.