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Architectural Review Commission 12072020
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I'd
like
to
call
the
order,
the
december
7
2020
public
hearing
for
the
city
of
tampa's
architectural
review,
commission
welcome
everyone.
My
name
is
zachary
greco,
chair
of
the
commission.
If
you're
here
to
present
a
project,
you
will
have
limited
time
to
make
your
presentation,
so
we
suggest
being
thorough
but
concise
when
coming
to
the
microphone,
you
will
need
to
identify
yourself
and
your
relationship
to
the
project.
Commissioners
will
not
ask
any
questions
during
your
presentation.
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Your
project
should
be
presented
in
the
following
order:
site
plan,
elevations
architectural
details
and
wall
sections
staff
will
then
present
the
staff
report.
We
will
then
ask
for
public
comment
following
your
presentation.
The
commissioners
will
be
asking
questions
in
the
same
order
as
a
presentation,
please
state
and
spell
your
name
clearly,
if
you're
here
to
speak
for
or
against
a
project,
your
time
will
be
limited
to
three
minutes.
So
take
some
time
now.
To
summarize
your
comments,
because
three
minutes
go
by
very
quickly
following
public
comment,
the
applicant
will
be
allowed
five
minutes
for
rebuttal.
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The
grant
program
has
a
current
application
cycle
of
january
20th,
2021,
that's
kind
of
difficult
to
say.
We
have
a
new
year
approaching
here,
though,
very
quickly.
The
grant
program
is
a
incentive
for
homeowner
occupied
properties
in
ybor
city,
west
tampa
and
the
tampa
heights:
local,
historic
and
national
registered
districts.
H
There
are
income
eligibility
requirements
for
that
particular
program
which
anyone
who's
interested
in
the
program
can
contact
our
office.
Have
the
contact
information
at
the
end
of
the
slide
show,
but
we
do
have
two
cycles
a
year
for
this
particular
program
and
january
will
be
our
first
cycle
for
next
year.
H
And
then
we
do
have
a
low
interest
loan
program
for
the
same
national
registered
districts,
that's
ybor,
city,
west,
hamp
and
tampa
heights,
and
the
application
cycle
for
this
program
is
january.
27Th
next
month,
there's
an
expanded
scope
of
work
that
allows
not
only
exterior
work
but
interior
work
for
the
loan
program.
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Which
case
are
you
referring
to
arc
20-446
and
were
you
able
to
fill
out
the
relevant
form
regarding
your
conflict
of
interest?
Yes,
I
did,
and
I
okay
and
then
just
for
the
record,
I
did
hand
out
to
madam
clerk.
Thank
you.
Any
other
commissioners
have
any
conflicts
of
okay.
Thank
you.
Additionally.
Will
the
commissioners
please
state
whether
or
not
they
have
any
ex
parte
communications
regarding
any
of
the
items
that
are
on
the
agenda?
No.
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J
I
need
to
use
my
magnifying
glass
here.
It
was
a
two-story
house
with
a
two-story
front,
porch
a
residence
you'll
note
that
it
is
a
fairly
close
to
the
front
yard
there.
You
know
at
this
time
we
didn't
have
the
the
setbacks
that
our
zoning
categories
do
today.
So
the
pattern
along
the
block
can
be
sometimes
a
little
irregular.
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J
And
I
wanted
to
show
you
also,
I
should
have
had
a
picture
of
this
lovely
little
bungalow
here
as
well.
This
would
be
the
property
at
306
east
ross
avenue
this
historic
bungalow
here
and
then,
as
we
move
closer
to
a
morgan
street,
there's
a
two-story
apartment
building
at
the
end
of
this
closer
to
the
end
of
the
street.
There's
also
a
property
here
that
faces
morgan
street,
but
I
wanted
to
show
you
that
for
a
reference
that
might
come
up
a
bit
later,.
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E
It
is
a
rich
combination
of
diverse
building
types,
styles,
massing
and
scale
and
frequently
juxtaposed
to
one
another.
This
is
the
indisputable
character
of
this
neighborhood,
and
here
I
can
we
have
the
yes.
We
thank
you
just
to
show
you
quickly,
some
of
these
anomalies
that
do
not
fit
into
the
current
zoning
or
the
yes,
the
formula
zoning.
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Within
the
last
60
or
70
years,
this
is
a
former
gas
station,
a
mid-century
modern
gas
station,
which
replaced
one
of
the
traditional
historic
wooden
homes
and
is
now
itself
become
a
contributing
structure.
This
is
again
no
longer
a
gas
station,
but
a
beer
and
wine
restaurant
close
to
tampa
heights
in
ebore.
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The
very
richness
and
texture
that
we
all
love
this
character
developed
largely
because
the
districts
were
built
prior
to
formula
zoning
which
wasn't
introduced
until
the
1980s
a
hundred
years
after
the
creation
of
tampa
heights.
It
was
in
the
1980s,
during
the
building
of
suburban
carrollwood,
that
the
historic,
the
historic
districts
were
saddled
with
formula
zoning
formula.
Zoning
homogenizes,
which
is
the
antithesis
of
the
flavor
and
attraction
of
our
historic
districts.
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E
Like
a
prehistoric,
insect
cotton
resin,
I
don't
believe
so
all
historic
neighborhoods
change
and
grow
and
evolve
over
time.
If
preservation
is
going
to
be
supported
by
the
populist,
it
must
be
a
living
part
of
the
urban
growth
so
going
on
tampa
heights.
North
franklin
street
was
always
a
part
of
downtown
tampa
and
tampa
heights
was
always
a
part
of
the
city's
urban
growth
center,
not
a
suburb,
but
the
urban
growth
center.
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With
the
development
today
of
the
heights
union,
the
armature
works.
Escalating
property
appreciation
has
caused
the
pressures
of
urban
growth
to
accelerate
and
affect
tampa
heights,
and
the
properties
this
will
continue,
probably
will
be
experienced,
as
it
has
also
in
hyde
park
in
north
ibor
and
in
our
other
districts
as
well.
The
question
here
is
how
to
accommodate
multi-family
housing
in
a
historic
district.
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E
As
a
recipient
of
several
awards
from
the
florida
trust
for
historic
preservation,
specifically
in
the
arena
of
modern
infill
in
historic
districts,
also
the
same
from
tampa
hillsborough
planning
commission,
I
would
characterize
categorically
say
no
to
both.
That
is
no
to
both
trying
to
squash
multi-family
into
what
appears
to
be
a
single
family
house,
and
I
would
say,
no
to
coding
a
building
with
single
family
cliches
to
try
to
make
it
fit
into
the
neighborhood.
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I
believe
we
need
to
develop
several
new
building
types,
all
of
which
embrace
21st
century
urban
growth,
while
simultaneously
recalling
historic
traditions
relevant
to
that
specific
district.
Naturally,
we
must
have
a
solid
understanding
of
what
those
traditions
were.
It
is
only
based
on
this
that
a
new
paradigm
can
be
established
for
the
historic
precedent.
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E
This
was
a
style
that
once
flourished
in
tampa
heights,
both
as
luxury
grand
residences,
as
well
as
non-residential
buildings
for
translation
into
a
modern
building,
and
that
is
what
I
am
trying
to
do
here.
Developing
a
building
that
at
first
glance,
reads
as
a
modern
building,
but
is
comfortable
and
at
home
and
supportive
of
the
qualities
of
the
historic
district.
E
E
So
does
the
fact
that
these
buildings
were
gas
stations,
disqualify
mediterranean
revival
or
tudor
revival
as
a
valid
residential
genre?
No,
I
don't
think
so.
Style
has
little
to
do
with
usage
style
is
a
design
philosophy.
It
serves
as
a
guidebook
when
designing
any
building.
Regardless
of
the
usage,
this
style
residential.
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E
These
were
semi-attached
residences
and
small
three-story
apartment
buildings
that
hailed
from
the
1880s
to
the
early
1900s,
the
same
significant
time
period
as
the
tampa
heights
historic
district
itself,
although
the
photos
that
they
provide
are
not
located
in
tampa.
They
belong
to
the
same
eclectic
colonial
revival,
movement,
which
we
had
here
as
the
style
is
well
established.
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E
E
This
one
is
a
historic
contributing
structure.
It
is
15
feet
from
the
sidewalk.
This
is
another
contributing
structure.
No,
this
is
a
non-contributing
structure.
This
was
one
of
the
little
houses
that
tampa
preservation
built
in
the
90s.
It's
14
feet
from
the
street
and,
of
course,
because
of
the
door
and
the
architectural
entrance
being
on
this
side.
I've
included
this.
E
H
If
I
may
just
for
a
moment,
mr
grunky
just
to
clarify
commissioners
you're,
not
reviewing
the
design
exceptions
at
this
hearing
this
evening,
these
are
submitted
through
the
land,
development
coordination,
division
and
evaluated
in
accordance
with
the
code.
Okay,
well
I'll,
skip
that
whole
thing.
Then.
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J
J
Additionally,
I
did
ask
that
the
applicant
provide
the
information
about
the
front
yard
setbacks
and
the
other
buildings
along
the
block
to
show
the
the
rhythm
along
that
block
and
to
demonstrate
that
this
project
would
be
consistent
with
that.
This,
this
particular
item
is
approved
by
staff
through
the
planning
and
zoning
division
as
a
design
exception.
J
E
Yes,
I
believe
I
uploaded
them
onto
excel.
I
know
that
I
I
drew
them
this
one
does
not
have
them
drawn.
Oh,
yes,
it
does.
This.
One
does
have
it
on
here.
So
this
is
the
front
of
the
building.
This
is
the
alley,
and
here
are
the
mechanical
units
for
this
unit
and
on
this
side
for
this
unit
they
conform
to
the
three
three-foot
setback
from
the
property
line.
We
have
seven
foot
setback
from
the
building,
so
there's
plenty
of
space
for
mechanical
units.
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E
E
What
we
will
do
is
here
in
the
front:
connect
the
our
facade
probably
set
it
back
a
little
bit
to
the
vinyl
fence
with
a
wooden
fence
and
gate,
and
then
we
will
also
close
off
this
area
between
the
rear
facade
of
the
garage
to
the
vinyl
fence,
so
that
we
have
security
in
this
area.
On
the
other
unit,
we'll
run
a
wooden
fence
from
the
rear
facade
of
the
primary
structure,
to
the
property
line
and
down
to
the
front
facade
of
the
secondary
structure
and
across
with
the
gate.
E
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G
I'd
like
to
go
back
to
the
discussion
that
you
had
made
earlier
about
the
front
yard
setbacks.
There
was
an
additional
question
about
those
about
them
in
terms
of
their
their
heights.
The
primary
structures
heights-
and
you
didn't
touch
on
that.
So
I'd
love
to
give
you
an
opportunity
here
to
talk
about
the
actual
heights
of
the
of
the
action
of
the
properties
that
also
are
along
that
edge.
E
E
E
G
I
just
wanted
to
ask
the
question
about
the
connector
piece
and
and
why
you
felt
that
that
was.
I
know
that
we
aren't
reviewing
the
design,
except
just
trying
to
understand
why
that
you
felt
that
was
a
necessary
move,
because
it
does,
you
know,
does
have
some
correspondence
on
the
elevation
to
the
side
so
to
either
side.
So
just
trying
to
understand
why
that
physical
connector
in
your
mind
was
necessary,
and
if
there
was
a
historic
precedent
that.
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F
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Okay,
this
is
hard
to
see.
I
don't
know
you
know
I
only
brought
134
photographs
and
not
the
135th,
but
this
is
an
elevation.
This
is
a
rear
elevation
of
the
former
sunday
school
and
every
street
facade
you
can.
If
we
can
get
the
camera
to
come
in
close,
please
each
one
of
the
windows
on
both
park,
as
well
as
central
and
on
another
side,
have
the
arched
windows.
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E
B
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K
E
F
So
could
you
theoretically,
let's
say
if
your
building
is
roughly
30
feet
wide
yeah?
The
center
of
it
is
probably
running
down
the
middle.
So,
let's,
let's
say
15
feet
14
feet
if
we're
taking
that
29
feet,
10
5
8
of
an
height
to
that
joist
at
the
edge
of
the
building
which
you're
pulling
all
your
water
and
shutting
your
water
towards
the
exterior
walls.
E
F
F
E
F
I'm
going
to
reiterate
a
comment
from
a
fellow
commissioner,
so,
if
we're
looking
at
the
front
of
the
elevations
in
the
other
three
elevations
around
the
main
structure,
the
primary
structure
there
does
seem
to
be
some
disconnect
between
either
what
is
showing
as
reveal
lines
either
score
lines
in
the
stucco.
Some
of
your
column
placements,
your
window,
fenestration.
F
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G
G
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G
I
I
just
looking
at
the
composition
and
knowing
that
we
we
tend
to
see
things
in
reality
in
perspective,
but
we
still
do
follow
certain
protocols
within
the
design
realm
and
look
at
compositions
and
alignments,
and
you
know
symmetry
about
openings
and
things
like
that.
I
do
think
that
the
front
facade
does
have
some
elements
that
could
use
some
review
and
reconsideration.
G
We
do.
We
do
know
that
in
these
historic
neighborhoods,
alleys
are
used
very
much
for
more
than
just
driving
your
car
down
or
having
the
garbage
truck
drive
down
it.
You
know
I
live
in
a
historic
district
or
not
a
historic
district,
a
historic
neighborhood
and
even
in
my
neighborhood
without
the
designation,
is
very
active.
G
G
A
I
B
C
I
only
share
those
similar
concerns
as
to
what
we've
already
heard
the
historical
nature
of
a
cable
railing.
Also
the
true
vinyl
windows.
We
often
see
wood
vinyl,
clad
windows.
I
don't
know
if
that's
something
that
we
want
to
address
and
then
I
think
that
there
are
a
lot
of
outstanding
items
that
need
finalization.
C
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F
But
I
think
that
time
spent
on
that
kind
of
that
storytelling
portion
that
a
lot
of
the
designers
and
architects
and
us
like
to
do
maybe
took
away
a
little
bit
from
the
presentation,
and
we
would
have
liked
to
have
seen
a
little
bit
more
details
and
some
substance
of
what
this
building
would
look
like
to
answer.
Some
of
the
questions
that
are,
unfortunately,
kind
of
outstanding.
F
C
Okay,
I
moved
to
grant
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
the
drawings
and
documents
presented
at
this
public
hearing
arc20
for
the
property
located
at
310
east
rost
avenue,
with
the
following
conditions:
the
approval
of
your
design
exception.
The
design
of
the
front
doors
be
approved
by
staff.
Specification
of
rear
doors
is
approved
by
staff
specification
of
second
floor
balcony
doors
is
approved
by
staff,
roof
not
exceed
the
code
allowed,
30
foot,
zero
inches
final
window
specification
is
approved
by
staff.
C
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D
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D
There
was
a
variance
attached
to
that
initial
request,
which
was
denied,
and
then
the
certificate
of
appropriateness
was
continued
to
this
evening.
I'd
like
to
share
a
couple
of
photos
and
the
sanborn
with
you
at
this
time,
starting
with
the
1929
sanborn
map
property
in
question,
is
highlighted
in
the
green.
D
It
is
an
interior
parcel
with
an
alley
that
runs
east
and
west.
Behind
the
property
primary
street
is
jatan
to
the
west.
You
have
fremont
and
to
the
east,
you
have
rome
to
the
south.
You
have
watrus,
as
you
notice
here
and
you'll
you'll,
see
in
the
overhead
that
there's
some
larger
structures
that
are
speckled
through
the
area
to
show
the
multi-family
environment
that
surrounds
it.
D
D
D
D
D
D
K
Good
evening
my
name
is
john
hadley
with
row,
architects
and
tonight
I
am
representing,
drew
newman
and
drew's
in
attendance.
There
I'll
point
him
out.
He
was
he
wasn't
able
to
be
at
our
first
go
around
last
month,
but
he
was
able
to
be
here
tonight.
So
that's
it's
exciting
and
also
I'll
point
out,
alex
khalida.
K
She
is
helping
out
on
the
design
team
for
interior
design,
so
we
have
a
strong
showing
tonight,
but
I'll
keep
things
as
concise
as
possible
just
to
kind
of
keep
the
evening
moving,
but
and
knowing
that
you
guys
had
the
benefit
of
kind
of
seeing
some
of
this
material
before.
But
of
course,
if
there's
anything
you
want
to
revisit,
or
you
know
discuss
further,
please
let
me
know
so
a
little
bit
of
background
on
drew
and
his
family
fourth
generation
tampa
residents.
They
moved
here
from
ohio
with
family
business.
K
The
family
business
is
the
jason
newman
cigar
company.
They
have
a
operate
today
out
of
a
historic
factory
in
ybor
city,
we're
fortunate
enough
to
be
involved
in
a
commercial
renovation
of
the
factory
which
we've
worked
closely
with
ron
and
his
staff
and
and
folks
with
the
state
ship
office
to
secure
tax
credits
for
the
for
the
project.
K
So
the
you
know
drew
and
his
wife
ariel
were
very
excited
to
find
this
house
in
hyde
park.
They've
been
looking
in
tampa
and
they
were
excited
in
particular
about
this
one
because
of
the
existing
historic
features
both
on
the
inside
and
outside
that
remains
largely
intact.
Over
the
years
ron
kind
of
pointed
out,
many
of
these
historic
features
that
drew
and
ariel
really
love
I'll
kind
of
quickly
go
through
them
again.
K
The
the
original
windows
in
place,
the
attic
venting
the
eve
brackets
original
brick
columns,
piers
with
some
detailing
the
wood
siding,
which
appears
to
be
in
excellent
shape,
and
then
the
tapered
skirt
going
down
to
grade
there.
So,
all
in
all,
a
really
great,
a
really
great
house-
that's
in
really
good
shape
that
we
tried
to
add
on
to
in
a
way
that
was
sensitive
to
it
and
complimentary.
So
going
to.
K
The
the
original
single
story
house-
you
can
see
here
in
front
and
then
the
demolition
scope
of
the
project
is
this
rear
primary
bedroom.
That
well
well
is
of
a
certain
age.
It's
not
original
to
the
house,
and
so
that's
where
we're
going
to
be
taking
that
off
and
and
adding
on
to
the
rear
of
the
house.
K
K
We
previously,
I
kind
of
had
a
trellis
kind
of
condition
that
the
feedback
was
to
consider
kind
of
softening
that
and
making
it
a
little
more
casual
and
to
consider
the
the
proportions
of
it
and
the
amount
of
room
that
we'd
allocated
for
that
space
and
in
in
thinking
about
it
more
with
the
owner.
Given
the
the
sizes
of
some
of
the
interior
spaces,
we
felt
like
in
the
end
it
it
did,
make
more
sense
to
I
think,
kind
of
break
down
that
that
wall
and
and
create
a
more
open
environment.
K
Time
so
it
was
and
well
I'm
sorry
go
back
to
the
the
site
plan
again
just
kind
of
revisit
this.
The
the
main,
the
main
scope
of
the
of
the
job,
is
to
add
on
to
the
rear
of
the
house,
the
the
primary
bedroom
kind
of
in
this
in
this
area
to
expand
it
out
to
the
south
and
then
expanding
the
kitchen
and
then
creating
kind
of
a
sunroom
sort
of
florida
room
condition.
K
Here,
that's
acts
as
kind
of
an
indoor
outdoor
go-between
between
the
kitchen
and
the
rear
patio
and
then
up
above
adding
a
second
level
that
you
can
see
dashed
in
the
outline
here
kind
of
over
build
which,
which
I'll
speak
to
more
as
we
as
we
look
at
the
floor
plans
while
we're
on
the
site
plane
here.
A
couple
items
that
came
up
in
last
month
were
the
mechanical
units
and
the
exact
location
of
those
and
how
they
would
be
screened
and
what
the
existing
fencing
is
doing.
K
We
would
be
demoing
that
portion
and
creating
a
new
section
of
fence
here
to
enclose
that
kind
of
mechanical
yard
that
we're
creating
with
the
new
ac
locations
and
the
fencing
the
existing
fencing
here
by
and
large,
the
owner
would
like
to
not
do
anything
with
it
as
much
as
possible.
It's
in
depending
on
which
side
you're
on
it's
in
various
conditions.
Some
of
it's
in
okay
condition
some
of
it's
not
in
great
condition,
but
it's
a
very
standard,
six
foot
wood
fence.
So
at
this
time
we
would
propose
not
touching
it.
K
K
There
was
some
discussion
about
the
solar
panels
that
we
would
still
like
to
propose
for
the
roof
over
the
primary
bedroom
here
and
where
we'd
be
locating
that
equipment.
The
existing
electrical
panel
and
meter
are
on
the
west
side
here
set
back
from
from
the
house
in
the
side
yard,
and
we
would
locate
the
the
equipment
for
the
solar
panel
mounted
on
the
on
the
house
at
that
location
as
well.
K
To
give
you
a
sense
of
of
what
I
was
referring
to
with
the
with
the
renovation
in
the
addition
you
know
from
essentially
this
wall
forward
from
the
family
room
and
the
breakfast
nook
there.
That's
all
existing
and
I
don't
have
any
photos
of
the
interior
here,
but
the
it's
it's
in
very
good
condition
and
there's
going
to
be
some
some
renovation
or
refinishing
of
the
floors
and
the
trim.
But
but
no
none
of
the
walls
are
moving
from
from
here
forward.
It's
from
here
backward
where
the
majority
of
the
work
is
occurring.
K
So
the
kitchen
is
being
expanded
to
the
south.
The
creation
of
this
sun
room
here
and
then
the
primary
bedroom
kind
of
reconstructed
in
the
same
location
just
pushing
a
little
further
out
to
create
a
more
you
know,
spacious,
livable,
primary,
better
from
the
house,
and
then
you
see
the
patio
that
I
referred
to
earlier
and
then
this
is
kind
of
the
stair
tower.
To
get
up
to
the
second
floor,
which
you
know,
the
massing
of
that
was
was
brought
up
last
time
and
I'll
point
that
out
in
the
elevations.
K
So
this
is
the
second
floor
edition
and
you
know
kind
of
repeat
revisiting.
The
concept
is
that
we
would
add
the
second
floor
these
these
these
bedrooms
in
a
way
that
is
consistent
with
the
sleeping
loft
concept
that
you
see
throughout
hyde
park
and
generally
speaking
in
this
area
of
home.
So
the
stair
tower
comes
up
kind
of
a
play
area
there
and
the
bedrooms
on
the
north
and
south
in
that
manner,
with
a
bathroom.
K
This
is
a
roof
plan
to
give
you
a
sense
of
how
we're
kind
of
stitching
into
the
existing
roof
the
existing
roof.
You
can
see
in
gray
here
it
has
a
ridge
line
that
runs
east
west
pitches,
north
and
south.
The
the
sleeping
loft
we'll
call
it
second
floor
run.
The
ridge
line
runs
perpendicular
to
that
and
then
down
below
the
primary
bedroom
is
a
single
slope
to
the
south,
as
is
the
over
the
the
kitchen
in
the
sunroom.
K
And
I
won't
dwell
too
much
on
this
because
we
we
talked
about
it
last
time,
but
you
know
to
kind
of
explain
some
of
the
historical
context
behind
the
sleeping
loft.
These
are
some
precedent.
Examples
you
see
throughout
hyde
park
this
one.
The
ridgeline
runs
parallel
to
the
main
ridgeline
of
the
house.
K
K
D
K
And
then
this
is
the
proposed.
You
can
see
that
second
floor
at
it
and
I'll
one
thing
I'd
like
to
point
out
is
that
I
believe
on
the
elevations
that
were
submitted
for
your
review
last
week.
I
I
made
some
revisions
to
the
expression
of
these
windows
up
above,
as,
as
a
matter
to
kind
of
meet
code,
the
egress
require
like
requirements
for
that
to
be
a
bedroom.
Those
windows
got
the
proportions
of
them,
changed
I'll
leave
it
at
that.
K
So
the
existing
east
elevations,
which
you
see
from
from
the
side
yard
where
the
driveway
is
this,
is
where
the
ribbon
driveway
comes.
This
is
the
this
is
a
really
nice
elevation
with
these
existing
windows
and
then
ron
referenced
the
chimney
there
and
you
can
see
the
on
the
back
side.
This
is
the
existing
primary
that
we're
proposing
to
take
down.
K
K
K
And
the
the
articulation
of
the
the
glazing
on
the
on
the
sunroom
was
very
intentional
in
that
it
was
it
was.
The
goal
was
to
really
emphasize
the
indoor
outdoor
nature
of
that
space
and
give
it
as
much
of
an
outdoor
feel
while
still
being
conditioned
it's
it's
kind
of
a
it's
a
room
where
the
dogs
can
run
around
and
it
can
be
a
little
messy
and
the
toys
are
there.
But
you
kind
of
feel
like
we
are
outside
when
you're
inside
there
comfortably.
K
K
And
then
the
proposed,
where
we
put
the
stair
tower
intentionally,
because
this
elevation
is
not
as
prominent
from
the
street
is
this
you
know
previously.
There
was
some
concern
about
the
way
the
stair
tower
roof
plugged
in
directly
to
the
sleeping
loft,
and
so
we
pulled
that
down
to
allow
this
pure
articulation
of
that
volume,
as
it
goes
from
front
to
back,
because
it's
a
stair
we're
able
to
do
that
with
the
head
headroom
as
you
go
up.
K
And
I'll
note
that
the
the
we
introduced,
the
slightly
different
expression,
you
know
all
the
windows
are
double
hung
single
light
windows.
You
know
top
bottom
single
light
windows,
one
over
one
and
we
we
took
pains
to
be
consistent
with
that
throughout
all
the
new
windows-
and
this
is
a
slightly
different
expression
here,
where
it's
a
fixed
single
pane
window.
K
K
K
Looking
at
the
accessory
dwelling
unit,
the
intent
is,
you
know,
because
it's
the
terminus
to
the
to
the
ribbon
driveway.
The
idea
is
that
it
would
be
expressed
as
a
single
story,
kind
of
garage
accessory
structure
and
so
at
the
on
the
what
would
be
the
north
elevation
that
faces
the
driveway.
You
know
this
is
just
a
precedent
image,
but
the
same
kind
of
idea
that
you
have
a
larger
kind
of
glazed
opening
there,
which
let
me
go
ahead
and.
K
This
would
be
that
opening
here,
and
this
is
taking
language
architectural
language
from
the
the
sun
room,
the
way
that
those
windows
are
laid
out
and
then
on
the
west
side,
so
that
faces
the
yard.
You'd
have
a
simpler,
more
kind
of
restrained
elevation
that
allows
for
some
privacy
inside
the
unit
and
then
on
the
east
and
south,
because
they
face
the
fence.
There's
no
there's
no
glazing
on
the
on
those
elevations
and
then
that's
that's
the
full
plane
there.
So
this
is
this
face.
Is
the
the
driveway
to
the
north.
K
K
And
now
I
will
speak
to
some
of
the
materials
and
fixtures
we
have
selected.
There
was
some
discussion
about
exactly
what
kind
of
equipment
would
be
needed
in
the
size
for
the
solar
panels
and
we
would
be
using
equipment
that
would
use
a
micro
inverter,
so
the
size
of
it
is
is
very
contained,
the
size
of
an
electrical
panel
and
it
typically
gets
installed
right
next
to
it.
So
it'd
be
something
like
this.
K
K
K
K
D
Good
evening,
commissioners
ron
villa
I'm
staff
for
the
historic
preservation
staff
finding
that
this
application
is
consistent
with
the
hyde
park
design
guidelines.
We
have
some
conditions
associated
with
this
request.
On
page
four
of
your
staff
report,
the
majority
of
the
items
were
addressed
through
the
presentation.
D
The
fence,
height
and
design
and
materials
were
discussed
to
replicate
the
existing
fences
on
the
site,
and
if
the
agent
has
any
additional
information
with
a
wall
glazing
that
is
on
the
east
and
the
south
elevation,
it
should
be
entered
into
the
record
at
this
time
and
then
one
condition
if
this
project
is
to
move
forward
with
final
approval.
That
he's
talked
about
this.
The
special
use
for
the
detached
dwelling
there's
some
criteria
that
must
be
met.
This
is
a
review
that
goes
through
the
zoning
department.
D
It
has
to
be
a
family
member
that
is
associated
with
that
extended
family
and
the
square
footage
through
our
preliminary
review.
Everything
met
the
criteria
of
zoning,
but
there
is
a
process.
It
is
a
an
interior
process
that
zoning
reviews
and
then
awards
that
request
administratively,
if
all
the
criteria
is
met,
but
that
should
be
a
condition
as
this
moves
forward.
I
will
be
here
to
answer
any
questions.
Thank
you.
F
K
Well,
so
this
is
its
relation
to
the
building
to
the
site,
and
I
I
think,
if
it
was
used
as
some
other
its
size
is
compact
and
really
meant
for
kind
of
limited
family
visits
if
it
was
ever
if
it
was
if
the
function
of
it
was
ever
changed
into,
for
instance,
some
kind
of
storage
structure,
I
think
the
sizing
of
it
would
would
still
work.
I
guess,
can
you
be
more
specific
about
what
you're?
Well,
let's
put
it
this
way.
B
I
can
understand
how
they
might
have
a
member
of
the
family.
Come
live
with
them,
either
on
a
limited
or
permanent
basis,
and
this
is
their
home
away
from
the
rest
of
the
crazies
that
are
happening
here
fast
forward.
A
few
years
house
gets
sold
and
someone
wants
to
turn
that
building
into
a
home
office
or
they
want
to
turn
it
into
an
efficiency
apartment
for
the
market.
K
I
think
so
because
it's
it,
I
think
it's
a
natural
location
for
it
to
be
at
the
end
of
the
driveway
there
and
to
really
kind
of
move
it
further
to
the
west.
I
think,
gets
into
the
yard
in
a
way
that
access
to
it
you're
either
walking
through
the
yard
you're
walking
through
the
house
or
you're
you're,
creating
some
other
access
off
the
alley
which
the
owner
would
really
like
to
limit.
I
think
the
amount
of
access.
K
K
It
would
be
asphalt
shingle,
the
the
existing
roof
is
in
very
poor
condition,
and
we
recommend
it
to
the
owner
that
that
it
all
gets
replaced,
and
I
suspect,
when
they
take
up
the
new
shingles,
that
there
will
be
a
decent
amount
of
damage
to
the
existing
roof.
Sheathing
and
that'll
get
replaced
too,
but
it
will
go
back
with
asphalt.
Shingles.
K
Yeah,
I'm
glad
ron
brought
that
up
in
the
drawing
submitted
a
week
or
two
ago.
There
was
more
of
an
expression
on
in
the
site
about
some
kind
of
hardscape
and
that
did
come
up
in
november,
particularly
as
it
relates
to
the
existing
and
we
decided
at
this
time.
The
owner
is
not
interested
in
providing
any
kind
of
hardscape
beyond
the
patio
that
you
see
here,
the
the
patio,
the
intent
is
that
the
floor
finish
will
match
the
sunroom,
which
will
be
a
cement
tile.
G
I
do
am
I
on
no
in
terms
of
the
windows
for
the
sun
room
and
you
said
that
the
garage
facade
facing
the
street
would
be
of
a
similar
family.
Do
you
have
information
on
that?
What
that
system
actually
is,
and
are
those
windows
fixed
or
are
they
operable
and
if
they're
operable,
what
type
of
operation
would
they
be.
D
K
The
intent
is
that
these
upper
portions
would
be
fixed
and
the
bottoms
would
be
you
know
we
haven't
discussed
that
yet,
but
they
would
be
operable,
I'm
not
sure
whether
it'd
be
hopper
or
an
awning,
or
you
know
if
they're
coming
in
or
out,
but
the
the
bottom
portions
would
be
would
be
operable
at
this
time.
That's
that's
that's
kind
of
how
we're
leaning
and
in
a
precedent,
image
we
have
is
similar
to
that.
G
G
G
K
G
D
Don't
know,
I
could
elaborate
that
on
a
little
bit
ron
villa
staff
with
historic
preservation
in
our
hyde
park,
design
guidelines-
there's
a
section
in
there
if
one
wishes
to
enclose
a
portion
of
a
front
porch,
which
this
is
a
wraparound
porch.
This
is
consistent
with
our
criteria
and
the
hyde
park
design
guidelines.
D
So
these
are
casement
windows
and
they
operate
so
above
they
have
a
transom,
and
since
this
was
a
wraparound
porch,
the
lower
portion
of
this
picture
here
was
it
has
a
heavy
horizontal
sill
and
then
they
have
the
the
two
by
four
pickets
below
that
would
have
been
part
of
the
railing.
To
encapsulate
you
know
the
porch
area,
so
in
working
with
these
people,
I
don't
know
15
20
years
ago.
This
was
approved
by
this
board.
G
D
D
D
G
F
F
F
L
F
L
B
F
Okay,
I
think
the
only
rule-
maybe
questions
is
just
maybe
a
little
bit
more
information
on
the
that
walling
or
that
wall
glazing
unit
and
maybe
the
doors,
but
otherwise.
I
think
this
it's
really
going
in
a
good
direction.
So
would
a
commissioner
like
to
make
a
motion
and
also
with
that
motion
make
sure
they
use
the
special
use
for
the
extra
accessory
structure.
C
A
C
For
the
property
located
at
1704,
westerson
avenue,
with
the
following
conditions,
that
the
special
use
for
the
detached
dwelling
be
approved
by
zoning
and
the
exterior
doors
are
approved
by
staff
because,
based
upon
the
finding
of
fact,
the
proposed
project
is
consistent
with
the
hyde
park.
Design
guidelines
for
the
city
of
tampa.
H
F
D
D
D
Existing
starting
with
the
sanborn
map,
this
is
a
corner
parcel
on
the
corner
of
gumby
and
richardson.
You
have
hills
to
the
north
and
there
is
a
partial
alley
behind.
Since
this
1929
sanborn,
they
have
incorporated
a
new
accessory
structure
that
is
detached
that
will
show
up
in
the
photos.
So
it's
a
little
bit
different
than
what
this
aerial
shows
once
again,
a
corner
parcel
on
corner,
gumby
and
richardson
place.
As
I
stated,
the
accessory
structure
is
towards
the
rear
of
the
property.
D
D
Just
focusing
on
the
second
floor,
you
see
the
corners,
how
they
terminate
the
casement
windows
with
the
right
proportions
once
again,
the
brackets
that
are
very
characteristic
of
architecture
in
the
early
1900s,
with
a
metal
five
feet
proof
and
to
complete
the
photo
presentation.
Just
a
couple
of
shots
of
the
budding
structure,
that's
interior
and
then
directly
across
the
street.
D
I
I
It
has
had
a
number
of
additions
over
the
years,
none
that
were
put
on
by
the
azerellis
they're
a
fairly
new
owner,
and
they
find
themselves
in
a
three-bedroom
house
with
a
growing
family,
and
now
they
need
a
fourth
bedroom.
So
we
were
trying
to
figure
out
how
to
do
that
for
them,
and
we
have
spent
the
last
couple
months
actually
working
with
staff
on
a
number
of
different
scenarios
to
try
to
come
up
with
something
that
would
work
for
the
family
as
well
as
obviously
within
the
historic
district
guidelines.
I
I
So
it's
not
quite
a
double
lot,
but
it
is
a
substantial
lot
in
hyde
park,
so
it
can
hold
a
lot
of
mass
and
in
this
case,
as
you
can
see,
the
sort
of
gray
brown
is
actually
what
is
there
now
so
there's
the
accessory
structure
that
ron
was
discussing
that,
I
believe
was
built
in
around
2000,
I
believe
is
when
that
came
on.
This
is
the
front
porch
which
faces
richardson,
there's
the
portico
share,
and
then
the
mass
of
the
house
now
on
the
first
floor
goes
all
the
way
around.
I
On
the
second
floor,
which
is
in
the
orange
red,
that
is
the
additional
second
story
structure
which
at
the
moment,
houses
two
bedrooms.
One
bedroom
is
very
small
and
a
shared
bathroom
and
I'll
show
you
that
on
the
floor
plans,
and
then
the
yellow
is
what
we
are
proposing
to
add
on
if,
if
allowed
by
the
board
one
of
the
things
that
the
staff
had
encouraged
us
to
do
because,
as
I
said,
we
went
through
several
different
models
with
them.
I
Before
we
came
to,
you
was
to
pull
the
massing
on
the
second
story
away
from
the
first
story.
Walls
as
much
as
possible
to
articulate
a
first
floor
roof
that
would
kind
of
wrap
around
the
massing
of
the
second
story,
which
is
very
typical,
as
you
saw
in
the
previous
presentation
and
others
that
I'm
sure
you've
seen
over
time.
I
I
I
I
And
I
wrote
this
down:
it's
50
feet
from
the
from
the
front
facade
of
the
house
and,
as
you
know,
elevations
are
very
flat.
So
we
also
did
a
few
massing
studies,
which
I'll
show
you
in
a
little
bit
to
kind
of
show
how
we
try
to
tuck
it
away
as
much
as
possible
from
the
front
property
line.
This
is
73
feet.
I
I
I
I
I
I
I
I
I
I
I
Not
a
problem-
and
this
is
actually
very
similar
to
the
the
light
pattern
on
the
windows
on
the
house.
One
of
the
things
I
didn't
note
is
that
the
first
floor
is
stucco.
The
second
floor
is
lap
siding
and
we
would,
of
course,
continue
the
lap
siding
in
terms
of
the
decorative
brackets,
the
venting,
the
rafters
and
the
soffit
material,
as
well
as
the
trim
around
the
window.
All
of
that
would
match
the
existing
condition
and
currently
it's
all
wood
and
that's
what
we
would
propose
to
use
as
well,
and
that
concludes
my
presentation.
F
D
You
ron
villa
with
historic
preservation
staff
finds
that
this
application
is
consistent
with
the
hyde
park
design
guidelines.
There
were
two
key
points
that
we
were
looking
for.
To
add
on
to.
The
second
story
was
to
break
up
the
massing
in
a
way
that
was
consistent
with
the
architecture
within
hyde
park
and
that
the
roof
skirting
continued
to
wrap
around
the
addition.
So
it
appears
that
the
second
floor
is
nestled
into
that
roof
line.
D
F
I
At
this
time
we
haven't
done
the
energy
calcs,
but
I
would
assume
there
would
be
and
that
unit
would
be
tucked
in
the
back
of
the
the
rear
facade
so
behind
the
master
bedroom
in
the
in
the
backyard.
Okay
and
it's
we've
got
22
feet,
so
we
have
plenty
of
room
to
put
it
back
there
and
that
would
not
be
visible
from
any
public
area.
F
F
B
The
the
airplane
bungalow
is
a
nice
effectatious
expectation,
but
very
often
it's
a
very
small
and
cramped
and
airy
attic
in
many
respects,
and
you
very
rarely
see
major
changes
made
to
those
and
you're
proposing
quite
a
substantial,
more
than
doubling
its
size
in
terms
of
an
addition
and
renovation-
and
I
think
you've
done
a
very
well
very
good
job
on
that
with
the
constraint
of
the
existing
building.
Its
footprint,
its
in
and
outs,
you've
used
that
to
your
advantage.
J
J
J
J
J
J
Okay-
and
this
is
the
the
subdivision
plat
map
for
central
court-
the
central
court
subdivision
paul
glattis
street-
was
called
palmetto
avenue
at
that
time.
So
the
subdivision
here
consists
of
the
properties
that
face
central
court
and
some
of
the
adjacent
properties
around
it.
The
subject
site
is
just
north
there
of
central
court
and
was
outside
the
subdivision.
J
And
then
this
is
this:
is
the
1976
sanborn
map,
which
is
the
latest
year,
that
we
have
sanborn
maps
for
the
city
of
tampa
and
things
kind
of
look
a
lot
like
they
do
in
present
day,
with
the
exception
that
the
property
directed
to
the
south
as
the
subject
site
is
no
longer
no
longer
standing
the
building
there
and
there
is
a
new
construction
going
on
on
the
site.
That's
two
lots
down.
J
J
J
J
L
Good
evening,
everyone,
last
but
not
least,
my
name
is
kim
beckwith.
I
am
the
co-applicant
and
personal
counsel
for
chris
beckwith
I'll
be
making
the
bulk
of
the
presentation
today.
But
if
there's
any
technical
questions
that
I
can't
answer,
chris
is
the
designer
of
the
house
as
well,
so
he
can
hopefully
answer
those
for
you,
as
you
probably
are
familiar
with
this
project
we've
been
before
you.
I
think
this
is
our
third
time
now
kind
of
started
the
project
a
little
backwards
from
some
misguidance
from
the
city.
L
L
I
don't
think
that
the
site
plan
that
you
have
is
the
correct
one,
because
I
believe
that's
the
one
that
we
were
here
before
initially,
but
I
do
have
the
current
site
plan
on
our
phone.
So
I'm
going
to
try
and
put
that
up
under
here
to
see
if
you
can
see
it
just
to
kind
of
give
you
a
kind
of
background
on
on
how
that
is
going
to
look,
you
might
need
to
hold
it
up.
I
don't
know
if
it
will
show
up.
L
Okay,
so,
as
you
can
see
here,
this
is
the
fence
that
was
in
that
that
photo
so
the
the
property
you
would
come
in
this
way.
This
is
where
the
driveway
will
come
into.
The
main
house
sits
here,
looks
east
to
the
property
over
here
and
then
the
accessory
structure
garage
is
off
to
the
back.
There's
a
very
large
oak
tree
up
here
in
the
front
that
will
kind
of
protect
all
of
that
visually
from
the
street
as
well.
L
L
This
is
the
inside
of
the
first
floor.
It
has
a
large
porch
out
front
you'll
be
walking
into
a
four-year
area.
The
stairs
will
go
up
to
the
second
floor.
I
have
an
open
floor
plan
here,
dining
room,
great
room,
fireplace
and
then
the
kitchen
and
breakfast
nook
kind
of
encompasses
the
the
right
side
of
the
house.
Here
there
is
a
bedroom
and
a
bathroom
on
the
sink
on
the
first
floor
and
then
going
up
to
the
second
floor.
L
L
L
This
area
over
here,
which
is
kind
of
a
little
walk,
not
I
wouldn't
say
a
walkway,
but
kind
of
you
know,
wait
to
get
out
from
the
house
over
to
the
accessory
structure
which
would
be
over
here.
So
when
you're
looking
at
it
from
the
street,
you
won't
actually
be
able
to
see
this
part
of
the
house
because
it's
set,
it
is
set
back
from
the
front
of
the
house.
L
L
L
L
L
L
Go
so
this
would
be
that
large
window,
and
this
is
in
the
breakfast
nook
area-
that's
off
of
the
kitchen,
and
here
is
the
the
fold
up
detail,
and
this
would
lead
out
to
the
back
porch
area,
which
would
be
you
know,
open
to
the
backyard
not
visible
from
the
street
or
from
any
of
the
structures.
Next.
L
L
L
L
L
L
L
L
H
L
L
But
again,
even
this
is
approximately
65
feet
wide.
But
again
it's
the
this.
This
section
is
really
39
feet
wide,
which
is
what
you
will
really
see
when
you,
when
you
pull
up
to
the
house
and
again,
you
would
actually
need
to
pull
down
our
driveway
to
see
the
house.
You
wouldn't
really
be
able
to
see
too
much
of
it
from
the
street
because
you'd
be
looking
at
it
this
way,
so
it
actually
would
appear
smaller
from
the.
L
L
L
L
L
Well,
I
had
one
on
the
hardware,
but
I've
I
don't
know
lost
it
somewhere,
but
the
all
the
exterior
lighting
will
be
bungalow
with
crafton
style.
Typically,
oil
rubbed
bronzed
same
with
the
door.
Hardware,
the
you
know,
traditional
craftsman,
style,
oil,
rubbed
bronze,
any
of
the
house,
letterings,
etc,
would
fall
under
that
that
typical
craftsman
style,
those
haven't,
obviously
been
finalized
yet,
but
that
will
be
the
goal
of.
J
F
B
Have
you
considered
other
more
traditional
aspects
of
how
you
can
clad
a
cable
lens,
such
as
continuing
continuing
your
your
horizontal
siding
or
maybe
going
to
a
shingle
siding
system,
or
maybe
a
combination
that
you
would
see
on
some
of
these
craftsman
dwellings
as
opposed
to
setting
up
a
very
strong,
horizontal
everywhere
except
boom?
It's
your
features,
your
peaks
when
it
becomes
entirely
vertical.
B
L
L
And
it's
not,
I
mean
it's
just
you
know
this
this,
that's
not
really
that
big,
it's
you're,
looking
at
really
this
area
right
here
right
in
the
front
and
then
on
the
side,
which
I
mean
you
won't
even
really
be
able
to
see
this
right
elevation.
So
it's
really
just
a
you
know
just
those
little
elements
there
you
know.
Certainly
could
you
continue
this
sighting,
the
hardy
ward
sighting,
but
we
felt
that
that
was
just
a
real.
A
J
B
A
As
far
as
the
board
and
baton
comment,
the
a
lot
of
things
I've
read
in
the
tampa
heights
criteria,
whatever
says
not
to
copy,
not
to
be
the
same,
but
to
be
similar,
so
everybody
has
the
kind
of
shaker
siding
in
their
gables.
So
that's
kind
of
one
of
the
other
reasons
we
decided
to
go
with
something
different.
G
A
G
A
A
F
Personally,
I
think
you
could
probably
do
it.
I
think
the
problem
is
since
we
don't
see
it
and
don't
have
an
example
of
that
I
I'm
a
little
hesitant
to
say
yes
without
visualizing
it,
but
yeah
I
mean
there
are
examples
in
the
district
that
do
have
it.
It
would
just
be.
What
does
it
look
like
on
this
house.
C
G
A
G
There
was
a
comment
here
about
providing
the
hype
from
the
grade
of
other
structures
on
central
court
to
show
consistency
in
your
design,
and
I
have
to
say
it
was
very
hard
to
read
a
lot
of
the
drawings
and
it's
been
that
way
tonight.
For
some
reason,
everybody
seems
to
brought
in
really
small
drawings.
F
I
F
A
A
G
A
G
G
A
A
G
A
G
L
G
A
G
A
G
G
A
A
G
G
A
F
A
F
B
A
A
B
H
F
Question,
could
you
pull
up
your
accessory
structure
elevations?
So
one
of
the
comments
that
was
brought
up
was
by
staff
was
to
remove
the
brick
details
from
the
extra
accessory
structure,
looks
like
there's
still
brick
on
there,
and
I
just
wanted
to
ask
staff
was
what
your
comment
noting
was
that
removed,
or
maybe
the
drawings
just
haven't
impacted.
A
They
haven't
been
removed
yet
okay
and
I
I
purposely
left
them
on
there.
I
thought
again.
The
comment
to
me
given
to
me
was
that
the
accessory
structures-
don't
typically
have
something
like
that,
but
in
this
situation
it's
not
a
garage,
that's
behind
the
house,
it's
to
the
side
kind
of
in
the
front
where
you
are
going
to
see
it,
so
I
just
thought
you
know
dressing
it
up
having
it
match
the
house
a
little
bit
better.
G
A
F
F
F
F
F
F
Some
of
the
photos
that
you
presented
and
then
some
of
the
information
on
here
is
a
little
bit
different.
So
I
just
wanted
to
run
through
and
quickly
if
you
kind
of
walk
through
like
what
some
of
the
underside
of
the
the
porch
ceilings
are
the
exposed
portions
for
the
the
roof,
those
kind
of
things.
A
F
B
A
A
A
A
F
C
I
struggled
to
see
the
historic
reference
for
the
garage
style
glass
doors
at
the
back,
and
I
do
believe
that
the
brick
at
the
accessory
structure
gives
it
like
a
little
bit
of
over
decoration
for
an
accessory
structure,
but
other
than
that.
A
lot
of
the
details,
I
think,
have
really
been
nicely
thought
out.
B
I
don't
have
a
problem
with
the
with
the
accessory
structure,
the
way
it's
being
detailed.
They
do
make
the
point
where
it's
to
the
fore
and
to
the
side.
It's
it's
almost
like
a
full
court
situation,
as
you
come
on
actually
enter
onto
the
site
and
the
idea
that
the
two
of
them
really
meld
together
and
form
those
two
sides
of
that
four
part.
I
think
works
well
in
that
respect.
B
G
I
I
actually
do
feel
like
the
brick
is
overkill
on
the
accessory
structure
and
it
would,
it
would
be
much
lovelier
without
it.
I
think
the
doors
as
they're
indicated
on
the
elevation
will
stand
out
enough
to
provide
that
presence
of
entry
that
I
think
you're
looking
for
considering
the
fact
that
it
really
is
front
forward,
even
though
it's
not
physically,
but
because
it
will
be
one
of
the
first
things
you
see
is
you
would
enter
your
property
right
when
it
comes
to
the
vent
on
that
small
porch.
G
C
I
agree:
it's
not
the
function
of
it.
Opening
up
entirely.
Like
you
said
you
don't
want
to
do
just
two
doors.
I
don't
think
that
that's
at
all,
what
we're
requiring
but
like
the
the
lift
function
as
well
as
the
appearance,
doesn't
to
me,
connect
at
all
to
a
historic
structure
or
a
historic
district.
F
F
Yeah,
I
think,
however,
it
opens
for
personally
it
does
not
matter
as
long
as
it
appears
to
match
the
rest
of
the
building.
You
know
if
this
was
a
historic
building
that
maybe
you
were
doing
a
more
of
a
modern
contemporary
addition
onto
or
something
then
I
think
that
would
fit
it
just
kind
of
seems
like
it's
a
little
out
of
place.
So
if
there's
a
way
for
you
to
find
an
alternative
that
matches,
but
still
meets
kind
of
that
ability
to
fully
open,
I
think
that'd
be
better
direction.
G
F
I
think
there's
there's
a
lot
of
details
and
kind
of
consistency
in
the
drawings
that
need
to
be
picked
up.
So
you
know
you've
mentioned
a
couple
times
where
this
either
should
have
been
removed
or
changed
on
the
drawings
that
I
think,
just
as
you
progress,
make
sure
kind
of
you
know
as
you
go
through,
that
those
do
get
picked
up
and
changed
just
to
make
sure
it
actually
does,
and
then
the
one
thing
I
think
is
kind
of
that
brick
on
the
accessory
structure.
F
Originally,
I
would
probably
tend
to
agree
that
it
seems
a
little
bit
of
an
overkill,
but
then,
as
you
kind
of
described,
that
that's
what
you
are
seeing
first,
typically,
those
accessory
structures
in
the
district
are
behind
there,
which
is
why
it's
kind
of
secondary
for
me.
I
think
it'd
go
either
way
in
terms
if
you
keep
it
or
not.
So
it
might
just
be
a
further
discussion
of
what
we
want
along
the
board.
G
For
me,
it's
more
than
just
overkill,
I
have
it's
really,
it's
not
consistent
with
an
accessory
structure.
You
would
see
with
this
style.
You
know
brick,
piers
and
columns
belong
on
on
porch,
columns,
right
and
piers.
We
would
expect
for
the
foundation,
but
when
you
have
an
accessory
structure,
they
they
often
won't
have
that
repeated.
G
The
garage
doors
are
a
way
to
add
some
aesthetic
appeal
and
that's
often
done
you'll
see
that
in
the
nicer
homes
but
those
those
brick
corner
pieces,
especially
when
it
returns
on
the
on
the
end
facing
the
other
property
where
they
have
that
easement
allowance,
it
seems
like
it's
really
just
I
hate
to
say
it
paste
it
on.
So
it
just
feels
out
of
place
it's
foreign
to
what
you
would
expect
for
an
accessory
structure
with
this
style.
C
Yeah,
I
appreciate
the
thought
behind
it
and
I
I
love
that
the
accessory
structure
was
treated
with
as
much
care
as
the
primary
structure
and,
like
the
garage
doors,
are
beautiful,
the
remainder
of
the
structure.
It
looks
wonderful
like
you
want
to
drive
toward
it.
I
just
don't
know
that
the
bricks
are
necessary
or
like
giving
added
value.
G
When
we,
when
we're
designing,
I
just
want
to
say
this
and
stop
done
when
we're
designing.
We
often
have
to
ask
our
fellow
colleagues
to
come
in
and
help
us
edit
it
it's
just
like
writing
a
paper.
Sometimes
we
throw
all
our
ideas
at
it
and
we
just
need
to
peel
a
few
away
and
then
I'll
just
read
beautifully,
and
I
think
that's
where
you're
at
with
with
this
particular
accessory
structure.
It's
really
a
nice
structure.