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Order,
the
wednesday
june
8
2022
public
hearing
for
the
city
of
tampa's
architectural
review
commission
welcome
everyone,
I'm
susan
clothsmith.
I
am
the
chair
of
the
commission.
If
you
are
here
to
present
a
project,
you
will
have
limited
time
to
make
your
presentation,
so
we
suggest
being
thorough
but
concise.
A
When
coming
to
the
microphone,
you
will
need
to
identify
yourself
and
your
relationship
to
the
project.
The
commissioners
will
not
ask
any
questions
during
your
presentation.
Your
project
should
be
presented
in
the
following
order:
the
site
plan,
the
elevations,
architectural
details
and
wall
sections.
A
The
staff
will
then
present
the
staff
report,
and
we
will
then
ask
for
public
comment
following
the
presentation.
The
commissioners
will
begin
be
asking
questions
in
the
same
order
as
the
presentation
when
coming
to
the
microphone.
Please
state
and
spell
your
name
correct.
Clearly,
if
you're
here
to
speak
for
or
against
a
project,
your
time
will
be
limited
to
three
minutes.
So
take
some
time
now.
To
summarize
your
comments,
because
three
minutes
goes
by
very
quickly
following
the
public
comment,
the
applicant
will
have
five
minutes
for
rebuttal.
A
The
arc
can
only
act
on
items
that
are
within
our
specific
jurisdictional
responsibility.
Owner
agents
are
independently
responsible
to
obtain
any
appropriate
permits,
employ
and
or
approvals.
Excuse
me
now,
if
you
haven't
already
done
so,
please
silence
your
cell
phones
and
we
will
start
with
an
introduction
of
my
fellow
commissioners,
starting
on
my
right.
C
F
F
G
Good
evening,
commissioners,
I'm
ron
velam
staff
with
historic
preservation
moving
down
the
agenda
under
continuations.
We
have
none
reflected
this
this
afternoon.
We
do
have
one
item
to
bring
current
the
first
one.
That's
reflected
on
your
agenda
this
evening
has
misnoticed,
so
they
will
have
to
perfect
the
noticing
currently
they're,
trying
to
get
into
the
july
cycle
july
11th.
They
will
have
to
repost
and
perfect
that
noticing,
but
no
action
is
required
this
evening,
for
you
we're
going
to
move
to
the
swearing
at
this
time.
G
H
Good
evening,
commissioners,
this
is
elaine
lund,
with
historic
preservation.
The
first
item
that
we'll
be
reviewing
tonight
is
case
number
arc
22-168
at
5601
north
branch
avenue.
This
is
in
the
seminole
heights
historic
district.
H
The
this
application
came
to
us
initially
as
a
violation.
H
H
And
then
this
is
looking
at
the
the
front
of
the
the
house.
This
is
the
west
facade.
H
H
This
is
the
rear
of
the
the
residence
on
the
subject
site.
H
And
then
the
just
the
east
side
there
of
the
accessory
structure
and
the
back
of
it
the
side
faces
north
internal
to
the
property.
H
I
Forgive
me,
I
don't
have
any
other
documents
besides
what
we
uploaded
into
the
solo
website,
but
thank
you
for
your
time
tonight.
Camaria
pettis.
F
Sorry,
my
name
well
that
too,
but
hold
on
one
second
kamari
pass
mackel
from
the
city
attorney's
office.
Would
it
help
you
if
you
had
you
your
additional
information,
miss
lund?
Do
you
have
it
in
your
file
to
provide
them?
They
don't
have
anything.
H
I
will
take
a
minute
to
sorry
see
what
we
have
here
I'll
check.
I
know
so.
I
F
G
Ron
villa
staff
for
historic
preservation.
If
I
could
address
the
board
at
this
time,
the
first
two
cases
I
think
they
need
a
little
more
coaching
this
evening
to
to
present
in
a
timely
fashion
if
we
could
amend
the
agenda
and
start
with
the
last
one
first,
while
miss
len
assist
her
for
clientele,
can
we.
E
A
A
G
The
item
that
we're
going
to
address
first
on
tonight's
public
hearing
will
be
arc
22-240.
This
is
in
the
hyde
park.
Historic
district.
The
address
is
1405
south
de
soto.
G
There
is
a
contributing
structure
that
dates
back
to
in
1922..
The
current
underlying
zoning
is
rm2
rm16.
J
Is
this
the
one
for
masela
it
is,
can
you
pick
the
one
on
the
desktop
for
me?
Please
well.
G
G
Once
again,
this
is
for
the
desoto
property
property
in
question
is
highlighted
in
the
green
parcel.
It
does
face
desoto
to
the
north.
You
have
hills,
you
have
burns
park
as
a
reference
point,
which
is
here.
G
G
G
This
is
the
front
of
the
property
they're
coming
forward
tonight
to
do
an
addition
to
the
rear
of
the
property.
This
is
a
shot
from
the
the
sidewalk.
There
is
a
pop-up
on
this
craftsman
style
bungalow,
but
from
the
sidewalk
you
can't
even
see
the
existing
pop-up
and
this
addition
is
behind
that,
as
the
photos
will
show.
G
G
This
is
that
same
elevation.
This
is
the
southern
elevation.
You
see
a
little
bit
of
the
back
and
then
south
elevation.
As
I
say,
this
will
be
the
drive
out
on
the
side.
Staying
on
that
that
south
side,
this
is
the
budding
property
on
that
side.
So
you
get
a
context
of
the
the
inventory.
That's
currently
there
moving
to
the
north
elevation
a
lot
of
vegetation.
You
just
see
the
second
story
kind
of
popping
up
and
on
that
north
elevation
or
that
north
budding
property
line.
G
G
A
J
F
G
We're
having
a
little
difficulty
with
the
computer,
you
got
him.
She's
got
a
hard
copy
as
well.
J
J
There
we
go
okay,
as
ron
mentioned,
we
have
a
bungalow
style,
historic,
single
family,
residence
and
the
client.
The
owner
would
like
to
do
a
small
addition
and
we
have
located
it
in
the
rear
of
the
property
to
preserve
the
historic
details
of
this
structure.
J
J
We
are
also
showing
the
existing
ribbon
driveway,
which
currently
ends
about
where
the
house
main
house
starts
and
we're
showing
a
proposed
extension
of
that,
if
required,
with
the
value
of
the
addition,
so
it
would
be
go
beyond
36
feet.
Behind
that
front
you
know
door,
and
so
they
could
get
two
parking
spaces
there
and
we
are
showing
the
concrete
and
then
the
gravel
in
between
the
ribbons.
J
These
are
the
existing
and
proposed
elevations
starting
at
the
top
left
here.
This
is
the
existing
front
elevation
and
if
you're
look
down
below
really
nothing
has
substantially
changed.
The
only
thing
would
be
maybe
to
fix
some
lattice
in
the
front
for
the
side
elevations.
We
still
have
the
main
massing
of
the
house,
and
then
we
just
have
a
small
pop
out.
J
Vents,
rafter
tails,
which
we'll
see
in
a
few
minutes
in
the
materials
palette
same
siding
all
the
consistent
materials
with
what
is
already
there
here
are
our
wall
sections.
We
have
a
two
story
and
a
one
story:
this
is
a
wood
framed
house
with
wood,
floor
joists
and
the
second
floor.
We
propose
wood
trusses
with
you
know:
typical
wood
roof.
J
J
J
So
here's
the
material
palette-
this
is
a
little
bit
of
a
3d
render
so
here
we're
kind
of
seeing
a
little
bit
of
the
addition
in
the
back.
But
ultimately
that
wouldn't
be
in
view
because
of
proximity
of
the
neighbor's
house
and
the
landscaping.
J
J
Has
a
typical
shingle,
roofing
color
to
match
foundation,
we'll
have
the
brick
piers
and
the
lattice,
as
mentioned
the
colors.
Obviously
aren't
the
same
in
this
example
picture,
but
I
did
pick
this
so
it
would
show
how
the
lattice
is
set
behind
the
brick
just
slightly.
So
the
brick
is
proud
of
the
lattice.
J
J
J
And
then
here's
a
picture
of
the
existing
driveway,
it
is
concrete
and
with
gravel
center,
and
then
you
can
see
here.
This
is
just
a
blown
up
detail,
but
this
is
what
we
were
proposed
to
match
with
a
concrete
control
joints
every
five
feet
and
then
gravel
in
the
center.
And
if
we
are
required
to
do
this
site
improvement,
then
we
will
ensure
that
it
meets
the
three
foot.
Three
foot
three
foot
standard.
J
So
in
our
detail,
we
have
a
1
by
5
wood
trim
at
the
top,
which
has
a
little
bit
of
a
custom
curved
profile,
the
top
trim
and
then
the
side
trims
are
a
standard
one
by
four
and
then
the
bottom
stool
trim
is
a
two
by
three
turned
out,
and
then
it
has
a
one
inch
extension
beyond
the
side
trims
to
match
the
existing
detail.
So
that's
what
we
propose
with
our
any
new
windows.
J
We
have
wood
windows,
double
hung.
The
marvin
ultimate
series
would
be
congruent
with
this
historic
style,
as
I've
been
told,
and
then
here's
a
rear
door
that
would
be
wood
and
painted
to
match,
and
this
one
is
just
for
access
to
the
rear
edition.
J
It
needed
a
little
bit
of
privacy,
but
we
still
wanted
to
keep
with
the
overall
style
of
the
house
and
then
finally,
this
would
be
the
hardware.
This
just
matches
the
front
door
hardware
and
then
the
exterior
wall
sconce
to
match
the
current
wall
features
that
are
on
the
front
of
the
house.
They
don't
exactly
have
a
wall
sconce,
but
this
is
in
the
same
style
as
the
existing
lights.
G
G
A
Thank
you.
We
will
now
open
the
piece
of
the
hearing
to
public
comment.
If
there's
anyone
here
who
would
like
to
speak
for
or
against
this
case,
seeing
no
one
will
close
that
portion
and
the
commissioners
will
begin
asking
questions,
starting
with
my
colleague
at
the
left,
mr
myers.
J
E
Yes,
I'm
asking
questions.
Oh,
I
have
to
ask
you
questions.
I
can't
ask
anyone
else,
questions.
Okay.
Is
it
your
belief
that
this
that
this
railing
detail
is
consistent
with
the
age
of
the
house.
E
But
is
there
any,
are
you
retaining
any
of
the
existing
railing
a.
J
E
E
Okay,
I
I
am
questioning
whether
that
is
appropriate
to
the
to
the
age
of
the
house.
Sure
we'll
work
through
that
later
yeah.
K
E
K
D
I
had
a
couple
of
questions:
the
wall,
sections
that
you
put
up.
You
said
they're,
brick,
wrapped
cmu
piers,
but
there
was
no
brick
on
the
wall.
Sections.
J
It
was
a
very
small
detail,
I
mean
I'm
not
trying
to
mince
words
or
anything
but
yeah.
It
would
be
a
brick
veneer,
and
so
I
think
it
either.
I
didn't
make
it
clear
enough,
or
maybe
we
can
zoom
in
a
little
bit
here.
J
Our
intention
was
to
do
a
true
veneer,
although
we
are
open.
You
know
to
changing
that,
if
necessary,.
J
Veneer
meaning
a
very
small,
like
half
inch
veneer
over
cmu,
a.
C
D
Brick
yeah,
which
again
I
know
we
brought
this
up
before,
but
it's
more
appropriate
to
use
an
actual
brick,
an.
D
D
J
Well,
if
we
had
three
windows,
I
didn't
want
one
to
be
wider
for
egress
than
the
other
two
right
next
to
it:
okay,
but
yeah,
so
we
matched
the
height
and
then
we
did
increase
the
width
for
egress
purpose.
D
To
meet
the
minimum?
Yes,
sir,
okay
and
the
one
other
comment
I
have-
and
it's
all
it's-
it's
been
a
pet
peeve
of
mine,
for
I
mean
I'm
new
on
the
board,
but
it's
been
a
pet
peeve
of
mine
forever
sure.
Is
that
any
addition
to
a
historic
structure
that
the
detailing
be
compatible
with,
but
not
exact,
duplication
of
because
duplicating
it
cheapens,
the
real
stuff
so
to
duplicate
an
exact
bracket?
That's
the
exact
copy
of
what
a
hundred
years
old
is.
D
D
But
that's
something
that
no,
it
would
still
be
needed
to
be
very
close,
but
I
think
that's
something
staff
can
address.
Otherwise.
I
commend
you
know
the
setting
in
from
all
the
edges.
I
noticed
that
the
eve
is
probably
what
the
roof
eve
is
about
four
inches
below
the
top:
it's
it's
not
trying
to
match,
it's
it's
reduced
and
less
than
and
that's
one
of
the
you
know
the
secretary
standards
kind
of
guidelines,
is
it
sure,
inset
and
shorten
and
don't
match
everything?
Okay,.
K
C
I'd
like
to
follow
up
with
my
fellow
commissioners
comment
on
the
appropriateness
of
the
rear,
railings
on
your
rear,
porch,
you'll
notice.
Here
on
the
front,
you
have
your
your
your
peers
for
structure.
C
You
have
your
peers
flanking
your
entrance,
but
it's
basically
an
open
edge
and
I
think,
in
terms
of
an
appropriateness
and
on
open
edge
to
that
rear,
deck
would
be
more
appropriate
or,
if
you're,
going
to
add
a
particular
element
between
piers,
a
much
lower
rail
which
would
be
a
sitting
rail
or
something
you
could
put
a
cold
drink
down
on
that
in
terms
of
a
guard
rail.
C
J
B
I've
just
got
a
couple
of
questions
more
or
less
clarifications.
The
wall
detail
that
you
brought
up
shows
aluminum,
fascia,
vinyl,
rafter
tails
and
then
in
previous
documents.
There
was
also
some
some
verbage
about
vinyl
being
used
in
the
gable
vents.
K
A
Can
you
bring
the
site
plan
up
please?
Yes,.
J
And
there
is
screening
with
landscape
around
it.
Currently,
okay,.
J
Grade
it's
approximately
like
two
foot
six,
I
believe
there's
four
risers
with
that.
A
K
K
K
A
K
K
A
J
This
one
would
technically
be
able
to
stay
it
should
you
know,
obviously
needing
to
be
careful
during
construction,
but
we
are
not
extending
that
wall
edge
at
all.
A
A
A
Them,
yes,
okay,
can
I
see
the?
I
guess,
that's
the
south
elevation,
so
I
could
see
the
new
edition
from
the
south
again,
please.
I
guess
it's
right
next
to
it.
I
think
it's
right.
Next,
oh
you're,
trying
to
oh
sorry,.
A
A
I
was
wondering
why
this
elevation
is
so
blank.
You
have
the
one
proposed
mandoor,
which
I
thought
had
at
least
half
light
in
it,
based
on
your
presentation
for
the
doors
right
yes,
but
was
wondering.
Was
there
consideration
for
adding
any
openings
on
this
elevation.
J
We
had
originally
had
some
openings
there,
but
based
on
the
size
of
the
windows
and
the
pattern,
it
was
kind
of
tight
to
get
the
two
windows
in
there.
We
felt
like
the
one
was
out
of
place.
A
But
what's
on
the
ground
floor
next
to
the
man
door
right.
A
A
C
C
I
think
it
could
be,
or
should
be
revisited
in
some
fashion
with
staff
in
terms
of
something
that
has
you
know
the
kind
of
mass
and
kind
of
lattice
type
work
that
you
would
normally
see
of
a
building
of
this
vintage.
A
It's
quite
obvious
from
the
from
the
evidence
given
here
tonight
that
this
deck
and
the
existing
deck
and
railing
were
add-ons
well
after
the
initial
construction
of
this
historic
structure.
So
in
the
in
the
first
place
they
are
not
historic
in
and
of
themselves.
I
do
agree
with
the
comment
about
the
more
open
edge.
You
know
the
heavy
timber,
basically
railing
component,
to
create
that
you
know
that
safety
reel
for
the
the
entry
porch,
and
I
do
think
that
there
are
other
ways
that
you
can
do
the
railing.
A
However,
as
long
as
we
feel
it's
compatible
with
the
district
and
the
historic
time
period,
I
don't
find
this
real
inconsistent
with
others
that
we've
seen
so
that's
my
feel.
At
least.
I
think
it's
compatible
with
the
timeline
and
the
district.
I
don't
know
that
it's
necessarily
compatible
with
this
particular
historic
structure,
because
it
wouldn't
have
had
one
in
the
first
place.
A
F
C
F
C
It's
really
between
the
wars.
They're,
probably
you
know
from
the
late
teens
through
so.
F
K
B
E
G
Good
evening,
commissioner
ron
villa
staff
with
historic
preservation,
the
hyde
park,
historic
district-
runs
from
1887
to
1933.,
so
to
drill
down
on
the
the
the
issue
with
the
railing.
The
front
railing
has
a
sitting
rail
on
the
front
that
at
the
time
met
code.
If
there
was
a
code
in
the
back,
if
you
put
that
sitting
rail,
it
won't
meet
today's
code.
It
needs
a
spindles
that
come
down
from
grade
to
the
deck.
G
G
B
J
No,
sir,
because
the
foundation
is
going
to
be
a
pier
and
joyce
foundation,
we
do
not
foresee
there
being
any
real
grading
adjustments.
Currently
everything
grades
to
the
back
and
the
sides
of
the
site.
J
I
don't
believe
the
topo
was
on
the
survey.
Okay,.
A
A
So
other
than
the
railing,
which
I
think
we
can
facilitate
in
the
motion,
if
we
do
proceed,
are
there
any
other
components
for
this
project
and
it's
intense
that
we
should
review
or
discuss.
C
I
mean
the
building,
has
it
originally,
and
it
should
continue
in
that
same
vein
if
it
did
not.
That
would
be
a
different
discussion
at
this
point
in
time,
but
that's
not
the
condition
that
we
have.
A
A
A
E
Move
to
grant
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
the
drawings
and
documents
presented
at
this
public
hearing
in
arc
number
22-240
for
the
property
located
at
1405,
south
desoto
avenue,
with
the
following
conditions
that
the
agent
coordinate
with
staff,
the
railings
at
the
rear,
the
brackets
that
real
brick
be
provided
on
the
piers
and
that
true,
divided
lights,
be
provided
on
the
doors
because,
based
upon
the
finding.
In
fact,
the
proposed
project
is
consistent
with
the
hyde
park.
E
Historic
district
guidelines
of
the
city
of
tampa
for
the
following
reasons
that
the
addition
meets
the
height
with
the
massing
and
the
building
form
typical
in
the
district
and
is
in
compliance
with
the
secretary
of
the
interior
standards.
A
K
E
A
A
So
before
we
up
down
the
vote,
do
you
understand
the
conditions
put
forth
tonight
as
a
condition,
and
you
do
need
to
come
to
the
mic
and
say
yes
or
no,
please.
Thank
you.
A
H
H
Okay,
so
this
is
a
contributing
property
in
the
seminole
heights,
historic
district,
1926
bungalow,
and
the
request
is
for
new
construction
of
an
accessory
structure
and
site
improvements,
including
fencing.
This
initially
came
to
us
as
a
violation.
H
H
And
this
is
the
the
rear
of
the
the
residence
on
the
east
side.
H
And
then
this
is
the
the
south
and
the
east
sides
of
the
proposed
accessory
structure.
So
we're
looking
more
northwesterly-
and
this
is
the
back
of
the
accessory
structure.
H
I
I
We
purchased
the
house
september
30th
2020
2020.,
we
spent
six
months
renovating,
I'm
sure
you
can
imagine
how
difficult
it
is
to
find
contractors
in
the
past
year
and
a
half
and
not
all,
are
unfortunately
aware
of
rules
and
that
I
am
now
aware
of
so
we
installed
a
six
foot,
pvc
fence.
You
can
see
that
we
carried
it
from
the
back
corners
of
the
house
trying
to
minimize
impact
on
surrounding
areas.
I
I
I
The
shed
was
added,
unfortunately,
it
was,
is
a
prefabricated
shed.
I
don't
know
if
there's
well
and
and
then
the
concrete
pad
that
was
poured
in
front
of
the
shed.
Also,
we
were
trying
to
just
minimize
it's
not
a
driveway
into
the
shed,
but
it's
at
least
a
working
area
in
which,
to
you
know,
bring
bikes
up
into
the
shed,
or
you
know,
work
on
a
lawnmower
if
needed
things
like
that,
I
don't
know
what
else
to
say
for
the
elevation.
I
So
if
we
can
move
on
to
thank
you
on
the
elevation,
I
have
educated,
tough
shed,
that
this
is
a
historic
district
and
that,
even
though
we
are
city
of
tampa
and
it's
under
150
square
feet,
guess
what
there's
guidelines
so,
hopefully
you'll
see
lots
of
people
like
me
in
the
future.
I
will.
I
know
one
of
the
conditions
for
moving
forward
is
to
put
horizontal
siding
on.
We
are
in
the
process
of
getting
quotes.
I
don't
know
what
timeline
that
will
be.
I
I
don't
even
know
what
the
process
is
going
to
be,
but
this
is
you
know
simple
front-facing
shed,
the
doors
are
dual
open.
There
is
an
exterior
door
within
the
property
that
we
can
access
the
shed
as
well
there.
If
you
scroll
down
there
are
more
materials
listed
that
I
really
cannot
speak
to
a
whole
lot.
I
I
Proposed
driveway,
one
of
the
responses
that
we
received
was
about
parking
requiring
thank
you
requiring
two
parking
spaces
on
the
property.
Apologies
that
this
is
a
very
rough
shot.
So
this
was
the
original
propose.
It
was
a
actual
permit
submitted
and
pending
outcome
of
this,
it
does
require
moving
a
fios
box
that
is
in
the
ground.
There
is
a
work
order
open
to
move
that
a
few
feet
to
the
to
the
side,
to
be
able
to
account
for
the
apron
of
this
driveway.
I
I
This,
I
believe,
was
in
response
to
the
shed
and
whether
it
was
a
shed
or
a
garage
and
then
the
concrete
pad
that
we
had
put
in.
So
the
hope
is
that,
if
possible,
if
we
could
keep
the
concrete
pad
as
is
and
then
put
in
these
two
spaces
for
dedicated
parking,
that
would
be
appreciated.
I
I
also
believe
there
was
an
initial
suggestion
of
cutting
the
driveway
through
the
backyard
extending
what
we
had,
but
I
really
feel
that
this
is
more
in
line
with
the
the
street,
the
looking
at
all
of
the
other
neighbors
on
our
particular
block,
the
majority
of
them
that
have
driveways
are
on
the
side
and
are
the
runner
type
style,
as
this
style
is.
I
Lastly,
I
don't
have
much
more.
Is
you
know
our
other
reasons
for
the
changes
we've
made
specific
to
the
fence?
There
are
other
houses
in
our
neighborhood.
I
have
not
reported
them
because
I
just
don't
feel
it's
right
to,
but
there's
a
house
two
blocks
is
exactly
two
blocks
north
of
us
that
has
final
vinyl
fence
they're,
also
in
the
corner
and
two
blocks.
East
of
them
is
another
home
with
the
final
fence
also
on
a
corner,
so
they
have
both
front
and
side
facing
facing
visibility.
I
Sorry,
I'm
trying
to
think
of
the
word
not
acceptability,
but
that's
the
closest
appropriateness
for
for
that
fencing.
That's
really
all
I
have
to
add
to
my
presentation.
K
All
right,
we
will
move
on
to.
H
Okay,
commissioners,
elaine
lund
staff
finds
that
a
portion
of
this
application
is
consistent
with
the
seminal
heist
design
guidelines
with
conditions.
However,
the
portion
of
the
application
requesting
the
vinyl
fence
is
inconsistent
with
the
design
guidelines,
as
these
design
guidelines
do
state
that
it's
not
permissible
to
have
the
fencing
such
as
this
visible
from
the
street.
H
H
If,
if
the
driveway
goes
in
this
location
on
the
north
side
of
the
house,
they
will
need
to
be
two
tandem
spaces
behind
the
front
wall
of
the
building
and
then
also
that
the
other
conditions
is
that
the
exterior
materials
on
the
accessory
structure
should
be
consistent
with
the
primary
structure,
and
you
know
the
example
given
in
the
staff
report,
which
the
applicant
touched
on
was
the
that
the
cited
on
the
shed
should
be
horizontaled
to
be
consistent
with
that
on
the
primary
structure.
A
A
A
A
Yes,
we
have
five
in
our
packet
that
closes
the
staff
report.
Yes,
yes,
okay!
Thank
you,
miss
lund,
we'll
move
on
to
public
comment.
If
there's
anyone
in
the
audience
who
would
like
to
come
forward,
not
seeing
anyone
we'll
go
ahead
and
close
that
portion
and
we'll
begin
asking
questions
so
start
on
my
right,
this
time.
B
B
On
the
in
the
pictures,
it
does
not
look
like
there
was
any
sort
of
cuts
or
scoring
in
the
I'm
going
to
call
it
a
driveway.
That's
what
it
looks
like,
but
the
the
pad
going
to
the
shed.
That
was.
I
Already
it
the
there
was
cuts
in
the
granite
already
made,
and
so
we
just
stayed
within
those
lines
so
that
we
didn't
have
to
interfere
with
the
granite
in
any
way.
Okay,
so
there
it
it.
There
was.
If
you
look
in
another
picture,
you'll
see
a
lot
of
concrete
rubble
kind
of
in
the
back
right
of
outside
the
shed
and
that's
it
looks
like
there
used
to
be
a
concrete
pad
there.
That
was
broken
up
at
some
point,
so
it
looks
like
there
used
to
be
a
drive
at
some
point,
but.
A
B
K
I
There
is
one
actually
where
you
look
at
the
that
first,
like
tile.
There
is
one
along
that
line
and
then
there
isn't
any
other
within
okay.
So.
A
Do
you
understand
the
question
that
he's
asking
it
the
white
concrete
in
this
image?
We
call
that
a
drive
right
whether
or
not
it's
for
a
car.
That's
what
we're
calling
it
for
today's
use
and
the
question
is
it
doesn't
look
like
there's
any
scoring,
which
means
they're
lines
that
help
break
up
the
concrete
into
smaller.
I
So
if
you
go
back
two
pictures,
I
think
it
was.
I
Right
there
that
one,
the,
if
you
look
between
the
two
stones
that
are
on
the
driveway,
there
is
actually
a
line
that's
going
across
that
separates
those
two
slabs.
Otherwise,
there
aren't
any
other
lines.
Okay,.
B
B
I
I
would
have
to
get
quotes
on
what
is
available.
I
I'm
glad
to
hear
that
you
don't
want
to
exactly
replicate,
replicate
sighting,
because
when
I
look
at
our
sighting
on
our
how
on
our
main
structure,
it
is
different
from
the
other
houses
in
the
area.
It
I
don't
know
what
it
is
exactly,
but
there's
like
a
there's
a
curve
to
it
that
I
haven't
seen
elsewhere.
I
Looking
through
tough
sheds
engineering
plans
when
we
purchased
the
shed,
I
did
want
it
to
match
the
house
and
asked
if
they
had
horizontal
siding
and
they
said
no.
No,
we
don't
have
that.
I
also
asked
if
they
had
metal
roofs
to
match
the
house.
They
didn't
do
that
either.
When
I
got
the
engineering
plans
after
the
code
violations,
it
specifically
states
that
citing
horizontal
siding
and
metal
roofs
are
options.
I
I
There
is
an
engineering
plan
aside
from
the
elevation.
The
only
other
thing
is
the
engineering
documents
that
I
uploaded
to
asella,
which
I
apologize
elaine.
I
Well,
that's
not
there's
a
more
detailed
engineering
spec
if
you
want
to
see
that
it
might
be
on
the
next.
Well,
it's
the
same
thing.
I
D
I
Only
thing
I
thought
as
to
match
better
it.
I
can't
say
it
wouldn't
match
with
the
the
house
exactly,
but
I
know
if
we
look
at,
I
think,
there's
a
view
at
our
neighbors.
They
their
shed
might
be.
No,
not
that
one
right
next
door
to
ours
is
their
garage
has
like
the
cross
beams,
and
I
can't
say
that
that's
necessarily
in
style
with
the
house,
but
at
this
time
there
was
no
other
plan
for
changes.
K
D
Brookhoff
in
your
testimony,
you
got
you
said
that
you
bought
the
house
in
september,
30th
2020
and
then
spent
six
months
renovating
it
can.
I
ask:
is
there
a
way
if
we
get
that
staff
knows
if
there's
any
other
permit
that
was
pulled
on
this
house?
Did
you
pay.
D
D
D
D
D
D
Slab
that
you
mentioned
before,
but
it
appears
to
be
right
up
against
the
alley
and
probably
had
access
from
the
alley
not
from
the
street.
That
would
just
be
my
first
guess.
D
I
No
because
the
distance
between,
if
you
look
at
the
this
particular
map,
the
distance
between
our
property
line
and
the
neighbor's
line,
would
have
left
a
very
thin
razor
of
space.
And
even
when
I
told
him
I
was
putting
in
a
fence
his
eyes
kind
of
went
wild
because
he
was
thinking
of
access.
So
we
put
it
specifically
there
because
there
are
bushes
that
kind
of
block,
but
not
you
know,
at
least
from
the
front
view
from
as
you're
moving
further
north.
F
Before
the
applicant
has
time
for
a
rebuttal,
I
do
want
to
address
something.
She
stated
that
there
are
other
properties
nearby
that
also
have
vinyl
fence.
That
should
not
be
a
part
of
your
consideration
on
whether
or
not
you
should
deny
or
grant
the
certificate
of
appropriateness.
Regarding
that
the
final
fencing
I
just
want
to.
A
Explain
that
okay,
I
do
have
a
question
when
you
placed
the
shed,
was
there
consideration
for
other
locations
on
the
property
other
than
where
you
placed
it
currently.
I
A
I
And
there's
no
impact
on
roots.
We
didn't
it's
like
a
tree
evaluation,
but
so,
if
the
way
that
the
tree
grows
up,
it
couldn't
really
be
much
for
the
shed
couldn't
be
further
because
then
it
would
have
impeded
on
that
tree
and
it
didn't.
But
so,
if
I
felt
like
the
only
other
place
to
put,
the
ship
would
have
been
like
in
that
corner
and
there's
just
shrubbery
and
the
tree
back
there.
So.
K
A
I
want
to
go
back
to
your
statement
about
the
fence
and
needing
to
keep
it
back
because
of
concerns
from
your
potentially
from
your
neighbor
about
access
to
that
side
of
their
house
on
your
survey.
It
shows
that
you
have
at
least
three
and
a
half
feet
clear
between
your
property
line
in
the
house:
the
neighboring
house,
yes,
okay,.
A
K
A
Regarding
the
shed
roof
material,
I
believe
that
was
an
asphalt
tile
right.
Okay,.
A
I
Would
be
in
the
better
document
that
we
can't
find?
Actually,
if
you
can
go
to
the
builder's
helper,
that
please
elaine,
that
might
have
it
in
there
if
we
scroll
down,
probably
not
no.
I
I'm
sorry,
can
you
please
only
go
back
to
the
files
have
been
uploaded.
I
I
think
you
have
it
sorted,
maybe
by
upload
date.
No,
yes,
because
it
would
have
been.
I
A
I
I
This
has
been
going
on
since
I
think
february
january
february,
so
we
really
were
waiting
to
get
the
house
painted
until
we've
got
the
siding
and
everything
decided
about
the
shed
we
weren't
going
to
paint
a
shed
that
might
need
to
be
altered.
So
that's
just
the
last
thing
that
we
will
be
in
fact
painting
and
matching
both
structures,
because
currently
they
do
not
match.
C
I
think
we
would
be
having
a
series
of
different
questions
and
concerns
for
this,
and
I'm
going
to
preface
my
statements
by
saying
that
I'll
be
looking
at
this
right
now
as
if
this
were
being
presented
to
us
in
the
first
place
under
normal
circumstances.
C
First
of
all,
the
the
accessory
structure,
typical
patterning
in
this
district
would
have
more
typically
a
common
accessory
structure
accessed
from
the
interior
of
the
site.
Now,
if
you're
going
to
have
an
accessory
structure
traditionally
requiring
of
some
sort
of
access
to
a
right-of-way
in
this
district,
that
would
be
from
a
platted
alley,
barring
the
fact
that
the
property
may
not
have
a
planet
alley
which
is
not
the
case,
then
we
would
have
some
manner
of
street
access
which,
in
the
case
of
this
being
a
corner
lock,
would
equally
be
a
side
yard.
C
But
I
find
that
the
positioning
and
placement
and
access
to
this
structure
would
be
somewhat
inappropriate
to
the
overall
pattern
of
the
district.
Materiality
is
an
entirely
different
matter.
I
can
understand
how
you
would
want
to
have
an
accessory
structure
not
entirely
detailed
to
mimic
the
existing,
but
there
should
be
some
touchstones
involved
with
that.
The
roofing,
the
rafter
details,
the
siding
details,
the
trim
details
for
your
doors.
These
are
all
elements
that
should
dovetail
more.
K
C
I
find
it
quite
jarring
that
we
have
on
this
subdued
site
subdued
neighborhood
a
very.
If
you
want
to
call
it
a
jarring
white
pvc
fence.
It
comes
in
different
colors,
you
know
in
different
patterns
and
different
details.
I
think
it
was
handled
in
a
more
sophisticated
or
more
appropriate
manner.
More
mimicking,
a
true
wood
fence.
C
I
don't
think
we'd
be
objecting
to
it
as
much
as
it
is
right
now,
but
it
doesn't,
it
doesn't
fit
the
neighborhood,
I
don't
it
doesn't
fit
with
the
the
site
or
the
material
palette
of
the
site.
A
As
to
the
point
regarding
where
the
shed
sits
and
access
to
it,
there
is
plenty
of
historic
reference,
even
in
this
neighborhood
for
even
at
corner
lots
that
you
can
access
from
the
secondary
street
to
an
accessory
structure,
so
it
needing
to
be
off
the
alley
is
not
necessarily
so
if
it
was
an
interior
lot.
Obviously,
that
would
be
the
only
way
you
could
get
to
it
unless
you
were
coming
from
the
front.
So
it's
location
while
maybe
not
as
aesthetically
appealing
to
some
as
others,
it's
appropriate.
It
matches
the
historic
district
materiality.
A
If
it's
all
wood
material
is
not
a
problem,
I
do
think
the
detailing
and
the
trim
those
sorts
of
things
while
they
do
not
need
to
necessarily
match
100
percent.
It
should
be
horizontal
siding
and
I
don't
feel
that
the
roofing
needs
to
be
metal
side
metal
to
match
the
primary
many
accessory
structures.
You
know
they,
the
material
choices
trim
and
that
sort
of
thing
they
usually
step
down
from
the
primary
to
allow
the
primary
to
reside
as
as
the
primary.
A
You
know
it
is
metal.
It's
painted
white
reconsideration
of
you
know
how
that's
trimmed
out
should
be
considered,
as
well
as
the
trim
around
the
doors,
especially
the
doors
facing
the
street.
The
hardware.
The
hardware
is
just
completely
inappropriate
in
the
locking
mechanism.
Hardware
hardware,
as
well.
A
A
However,
hopefully
somebody
made
you
aware
that
you're
buying
into
a
historically
you
know
a
historic
district
with
governance.
Besides
the
typical-
and
I
understand
these
are
hard
lessons
to
learn,
especially
after
you've
put
so
much
money
forward,
but
hopefully
there's
some
way
to
reuse
some
of
the
structure
I
know.
Typically,
you
can
reuse
at
least
the
posts,
but
yeah
the
fencing
is
just
inappropriate
with
the
vinyl
as
to
its
location,
the
fence.
I
do
believe
it
should
pull
forward
and
come
forward
of
the
ac
unit.
A
If
not
that
there
there
has
to
be
some
sort
of
screening
for
that
ac
unit.
It's
just
inappropriate
for
the
district
and
then
regarding
the
two
tandem
parking
spaces.
They
absolutely
need
to
pull
forward
and
be
removed
out
beyond
the
face
of
the
primary
structure
from
the
front
and
then
the
scoring
on
the
concrete.
We
talked
about
that
a
little
bit
already.
A
D
I
have
I
have
a
hard
time
with
both
the
location.
That's
here,
yeah,
I'm
having
a
hard
time
with
both
the
location
of
the
shed,
the
fact
that
it's
just
a
prefab
shed.
I
don't
I
don't
whether
it's
made
out
of
wood
or
anything,
but
just
a
prefab
shed
put
on
the
corner
on
the
on
the
property
line
facing
the
street.
I
have
a
real
issue
with.
D
I
would
have
less
of
an
issue
with
if
it
was
relocated,
further
back
away
from
the
street
and
accessed
from
the
alley,
and
it
wasn't
visible
from
the
street
the
fence.
Yes,
I
I've
familiar
with
very
familiar
with
this
neighborhood
and
most,
if
not,
you
know,
the
vast
majority
of
fences
are
about
at
the
halfway
point
back
from
the
house
so
that
they
split
the
yard.
The
side
yards
in
half
and
it
happens
in
front
half
is
back
and
that's
the
historic
pattern
throughout
the
neighborhood.
D
You
know
it's,
it's
actually
an
allowable
fence
material,
but
this
the
way
this
fence
is
built
is
not
the
detail,
and
the
construction
of
it
is
what
I
have
an
issue
with,
not
necessarily
that
it's
vinyl
versus
wood.
A
D
It's
going
to
read
a
sentence
where
in
the
design
guideline
where
it
says
it
could
be
allowed
if
the
detailing
and
the
design
was
was
appropriate.
But
if
that's
the
case,
then
that's
a
moot
point.
It's
a
move
point
but
yeah.
I
have
an
issue
with
just
the
prefabricated
structure
in
historic
district
being
visible
from
the
street
period.
I
don't
think
that's
appropriate
at
all
and
then
the
fence
is
clearly
inappropriate,
both
in
location
and
in
material.
E
We've
established
that
it
can't
be.
I
think
that
it
cannot
be
pvc,
this
fence
and
I
hate
to
have
to
you
know
I
had
to
have
to
say
that
to
somebody
who's
who's
spent
real
money
on
this
thing,
but
we've
you
know
it
just
is
you
know
it's
just
not
possible.
We've
we've
had
I
mean
we
had
a
case
recently
where
it
was
like
a
you
know.
It
was
like
a
huge,
it
was
a
big
apartment
complex
and
they
had
to
take
out
blocks
of
inappropriate.
E
You
know,
like
a
whole,
you
know
like
two
blocks
of
a
pro
inappropriate,
fencing,
you're,
not
alone
in
this,
in
being
in
this
situation,
and
I
nonetheless
it's
it's
something
that
a
lot
of
people
in
the
district
are
very
sensitive
to.
We
try
to
you
know
it's
something
that
we're
trying
to
maintain
in
the
district.
Is
this
line?
No
pvc.
E
A
Don't
have
a
problem
with
it.
There
are.
There
are
historic
precedents,
one
one
right
across
the
street.
Now
the
replacement
structure
isn't
necessarily
what
I
would
approve
today,
but
it
was
historically
corrupt.
There
were
others
from
that
sanborn
image
when
we
were
when
we
asked
to
look
at
it
again
showed
several
in
the
vicinity
and
you
can
go
to
other
historic
districts
and
find
find
similar
examples
so
pre-engineered.
A
If
I
reopen
the
hearing
and
ask
the
question
of
staff,
I
think
they
would
say
yes,
but
I
believe
we've
actually
had
pre-engineered
structures
for
accessory
structures
in
cases
and
approved
them.
There's
actually
one
particular
company
that
I
know
of
that
has
been
in
all
the
districts
that
come
before
us
that
has
placed
accessory
structures
that
face
secondary
streets.
C
A
However,
I
guess
I
should
ask
this
question
before
we
close
it.
Can
I
get
a
motion
to
reopen
the
hearing
please
from
somewhere.
A
All
in
favor,
please
state
I
for
legal
staff
or
preservation
staff
in
this
case,
if
one
thing
is.
A
We
will
go
ahead
and
close
the
public
hearing
before
we
debate
any
further
or
entertain
emotion.
I
just
want
to
state
for
the
record
to
the
client,
to
the
agent
to
both
you
and
your
husband
commend
you
tremendously
for
taking
on
a
historic
property
and
coming
into
neighborhoods,
where
the
body
of
citizenry
is
very
strong
in
this
particular
area,
in
terms
of
being
champions
for
continuing
to
preserve
and
champion
for
preservation
of
our
historic
stock
in
our
cities.
A
B
That's
about
the
only
thing
I've
got.
Is
it's
unfortunate
that
we're
here
tonight
because
of
you
know,
maybe
even
just
lack
of
knowledge
and
and
they
they
unfortunately
were
not
advised
by
their
contractor
or
whomever
they.
They
had
helping
them
of
all
the
different
potential
steps
and
as
they
go
through
the
permitting
process,
there
is
even
potentially
some
more
items
that
may
come
up,
especially
with
this
being
a
temporary
shed.
B
A
F
A
All
those
in
favor
of
the
motion
regarding
the
vinyl
fencing,
please
state.
I
raise
your
hand
indicating
so
I
that
was
a
unanimous
vote,
so
that's
denied
and
then
on
the
accessory
structure.
I
believe
we
also
have
to
consider
the
driveway
as
well
since
that
was
presented,
or
is
that
just
a
transportation?
A
K
E
E
We
can
discuss
that
and
I'm
wondering
if
it
is
appropriate
for
the
for
this
fit
to
be
simply
slid
back
a
couple
of
feet
so
that
they
could
get
a
fence
in
front
of
it
because
it's
prefab
it's
just
my
understanding
is
that
it's
sitting
there
on
it.
A
It's
it's
sitting
on
a
raised
slab.
It
is,
in
my
opinion,
appropriate
in
terms
of
its
placement
and
having
its
doors
facing
and
being
open.
It
is
no
different
than
a
garage
honestly.
It's
an
accessory.
D
It's
not
just
an
accessory
structure,
it
is
a
pre-manufactured
building
in
a
historic
district
which
I
I'd
still
have
serious
issues
with
especially
connected
to
a
street,
and
just
because
it's
been
allowed
in
the
past.
I
I
still
don't
think
that
that's
an
appropriate
thing
to
do
in
historic
district
period.
B
D
And
I
would,
I
would
have
very
little
problem
with
it
if
it
was
behind
an
appropriate
fence,
inboard
of
the
property
line
or
accessible
from
the
alley
and
not
accessible
from
the
street.
With
a
cast
concrete
driveway,
I
would
have
far
fewer
issues
if
it
was
somewhere
else
on
the
site,
which
I
don't
think
is
a
difficult
thing
to
do
or
be
a
very
costly
thing
to
do.
K
D
In
a
historic
district,
it's
on
a
street
front.
It's
and
are
we
setting
a
precedent.
B
B
B
With
building
codes,
there
was
a
way
to
make
temporary
structures
continue
to
be
temporary
structures,
but
unfortunately,
there
isn't
they're
going
to
have
to
secure
it
to
the
foundation
everything's
going
to
have
to
be
to
code,
which
makes
it
to
where
now
it's
it's,
it's
it's
an
adu.
It's
an
accessory
structure.
I.
A
D
A
F
B
K
K
F
F
I
G
Would
that
be
enough
time?
So,
commissioners,
looking
at
our
schedule
and
as
we
move
forward,
we
have
a
lot
of
cases
that
are
coming
to
our
oncoming
agendas,
but
we
do
have
a
slot
open
for
the
july
13th
public
hearing
cycle,
but
we
might
need
information
by
june
22nd.
I
I
G
G
B
H
H
H
This
is
the
location
map
showing
where
the
subject
property
is
within
the
historic
district,
with
the
local,
historic
district
boundaries
in
red
and
the
national
historic
district
boundaries
in
blue,
and
this
is
the
present
day
aerial
of
the
site.
Again,
you
can
see
the
the
structure
that's
located
there
in
green
on
the
north
side
of
francis
avenue.
H
And
the
structure
directly
to
the
the
east
of
the
property.
L
My
name
is
my
name:
is
augustine
sinchon?
I
am
the
owner,
I'm
and
represent
representing
the
case
today.
So
what
is.
L
What
can
I
do?
Can
I
is
there
some
other
way?
I
can.
I
thought
I
I
thought
everything
I
submitted
online
was
suffice
for
for
this
evening,
deep
presentation.
L
So
this
is
right.
Here
is
the
site
plan.
As
you
can
see,
the
structure-
all
I'm
doing
is
just
adding
the
brand
new
stairs,
replacing
the
stairs
that
are
currently
there
and
extending
and
widening
the
the
porch
area.
So
the
dimensions
will
be
25
feet
wide
by
12
feet.
L
5
inches
depth
to
the
building
away
from
the
building
will
be
12
feet,
5
inches
and
the
elevation
will
be
from
from
the
from
the
ground
to
the
top
floor
will
be
17
feet,
5
inches,
the
material
will
be
columns
would
be
cement,
columns
12
by
12,
the
material,
the
porch
will
be
wood
and
the
roof
will
extend
over
the
porch
to
protect
it
from
the
rain
and
the
the
sun
so
that
it
can
preserve
it
as
long
as
possible,
and
that's
pretty
much
it.
L
L
Also,
the
cement
to
be
cement
that
will
be
added
under
the
the
porch
would
be
from
one
end
to
the
building
to
the
next,
so
that'll
be
48
feet,
the
width
will
be,
the
frontage
will
be
48
feet
and
the
depth
would
be
12
feet.
5
inches
from
the
building.
L
As
you
can
see
there,
that's
this
is
the
proposal
proposal
says
it's
going
to
be
12
feet,
the
depth
will
be
125
inches
and
the
width
of
the
porch
will
be
25
feet.
L
This
is
proposed
elevation,
it's
the
same
exact
elevation.
Now
it's
the
same
height
as
currently
as
now.
The
only
difference
is
the
width
of
the
porch
and
the
depth
is
coming
out
a
little
further
and
under
the
porch
will
be
new
concrete
for
the
width
of
the
building
and,
like
I
mentioned
before,
it
would
be
it's
going
to
have
the
port.
The
roof
extend
over
the
porch
it'll
be
the
same
material
that
is
on
the
current
roof
right
now,
which
is
shingles
currently
over
on
the
building
on
the
roof.
L
As
you
can
see
in
the
bottom
photo
there,
that's
exactly
the
proposed
porch
right
now.
We
don't
have
anything
covering
the
porch.
Now
wood
columns
will
be
going
from
the
the
top
of
the
first
floor
to
the
second
floor,
to
support
the
to
support
the
roof,
but
for
the
support
the
porch
will
be
cement,
columns
12
by
12
cement
columns
under
the
the
porch
right
now.
L
The
drawings
I'm
not
too
familiar
with
you
know.
Obviously
it
was
this.
Is
you
know
I
didn't
we
didn't?
I
didn't
think
I
would
go
through
the
drawings
exactly,
but
so
basically
it's
just
wow
to
go
to
the
joints.
I'm
sorry
about
that.
L
By
six,
so
we're
gonna
use
a
two
by
six.
We
use
two
by
six
wood,
two
by
six
wood
to
to
for
the
stairs
portion,
2x6
wood,
the
the
I
gotta
say
also
the
columns
will
be
like
I
mentioned.
We
cement
columns
12
by
12..
L
Yeah,
that's
that's
pretty
much
it
I
mean.
I
just
don't
know
to
me
to
me.
It
seemed
very
simple,
but
obviously
to
to
to
describe
every
single
piece
of
material.
That's
going
to
be
in
the
the
porch.
L
It's
nothing
very
basic
to
what
it's
already
there,
I'm
just
basically
extending
it,
re-extending
the
porch
and
to
make
it
more
more
appealing
to
the
neighborhood
and
that's
all
we're
doing
we're
extending
the
porch
out
25
feet
right
now.
It's
right
now.
It's
not
25
feet,
but
we're
sending
out
further
from
the
building
and
extending
12
feet
from
the
building
brand
new
wood
and
cement
columns.
And
it's
going
to
look
same
exact.
The
roof
is
going
to
look
exactly
like
what
we
have
there
right
now.
L
I
don't
you
know,
I'm
sorry,
I
just
didn't
you
know
I
did
it.
I
wasn't
100
prepared
to
make
the
presentation
of
that
I
was
supposed
to,
but
I
didn't
think
it
was
we're
not
doing
anything
different.
We
just
extend
it
and
make
giving
a
better
appeal
to
the
neighborhood.
That's
always
trying
to
do
all
right.
A
L
No
all
we're
doing
is
all
I'm
doing.
Is
the
concrete
48
by
12
and
a
half
the
porch
will
be
12
25
feet
by
12
by
12
and
a
half
12
12,
35
inches
and
obviously
the
the
roof
will
be
25
will
be
extended
over
the
porch
will
be
12
feet
from
the
existing
structure.
Now.
K
H
Elaine
lund,
historic
preservation
staff,
we
found
that
this
application
was
consistent
with
the
tampa
heights
historic
district
design
guidelines.
This
is
a
non-contributing
structure
and
this
is
a
relatively
small
improvement
to
the
property,
but
it
does
affect
the
primary
facade.
So
that's
why
it's
here
before
you
today.
H
H
We
did
have
some
conditions
in
the
staff
report.
I
believe
the
sections
and
details
are
included
in
these
construction
drawings.
Here
we
also
did
want
a
little
more
information
about
any
proposed
changes
to
these
to
the
site,
to
the
any
parking
or
landscaping
that
might
happen,
and
with
that
I'm
available,
if
you
have
questions,
thank
you.
A
Thank
you,
miss
lund,
seeing
no
one
else
in
the
audience.
I
don't
think
we
have
anyone
here
for
public
comment,
so
we'll
go
ahead
and
close.
That
portion
we're
gonna,
we're
gonna,
ask
you
questions
elaine.
Can
you
pull
up
the
site
plan
again?
Please
that's
just
the
survey.
Is
there
a
site
planned
at
all
oops
wrong?
One.
K
E
A
Yeah,
okay,
right
there,
I
do
have
a
couple
questions,
I'm
just
going
to
start
off
what
are
you
doing
at
the
ground
level,
so
what
your
your
apartments
at
the
ground
level
are
going
to
have
a
new
entryway.
Basically,
what's
on
the
ground
there,
the.
L
Ground
level,
two
two
bedrooms,
so
basically
at
the
ground
level,
I
will
just
add
cement
more
right.
Now,
it's
basically
just
dirt
and
very
little
a
little
area
cement.
So
we
I
plan
to
extend
the
cement
from
one
into
the
building
48
feet,
to
give
it
better
appeal
for
the
tenants
to
to
when
to
make
it
more
appealing
the
building.
L
So,
like
I
mentioned
before
the
ground
level,
there
is
a
two
apartments:
it
is
a
two
bedroom
one
bath
each
apartment
side
by
side
on
the
ground
level
and
I
plan
to
add
concrete,
put
brand
new
concrete
across
the
front
of
the
building.
Okay,.
L
A
A
Is
it?
Is
it
more
or
less
the
width
of
the
primary
structure,
and
it
goes
to
those
ac
units
to
the
left
of
the
primary
facade?
No.
A
K
A
A
They
look
like
construction
documents.
Do
you
know,
so
these
are
not
concrete
columns,
they're,
actually
concrete
masonry
units,
so
they're
blocks
that
are
stacked
on
top
of
each
other?
Yes,
do
you
know
if
they
will
be
finished
with
any
other
material
or
just
painted.
L
We
don't
plan
on,
I
don't
plan
on
finishing
it.
If
we
are
going
to
finish
with
anything,
probably
succo
concrete
stucco
I
mean
and
that's
pretty
much
it
I
mean
if
there's
anything
requirement,
if
you
make
any
comments
and
we
will
obviously
do
it
I'll
do
it,
but
at
the
present
moment
we
thought
I
thought
you
know,
leaving
the
concrete
columns.
Okay,
it
will
be
fine.
K
C
I'd
like
to
follow
up
with
that,
so
we
have
the
concrete
column
coming
up
and
it's
basically
to
be
a
painted
surface,
the
deck
at
the
second
floor
level.
What
is
that
material?
C
Is
that
an
all
wood
deck,
or
is
that
a
concrete
deck?
Oh
wood,
all
wood
deck,
yes,
okay
and
then
we're
going
to
have
of
the
gable
roof
above
it.
Yes,
what
is
going
to
be
the
finish
of
your
underside
of
your
wood
deck?
Is
it
going
to
be
open
to
the
structure.
L
C
Okay
and
the
finish
to
your
gable
roof
that
overhangs
all
of
this
roof
area.
Are
you
going
to
have
a
ceiling
finish
on
that.
C
L
The
triangle-
I'm
assuming
I
mean
from
other
projects-
I
did
I'm
assuming
it's
vinyl.
If,
if
it's
possible
to
the
vinyl,
I
mean,
if
you
have
any
recommendations,
obviously
it's
not
a
problem.
We
could
put
any
material
that
you
guys
are
comfortable
with,
but
at
the
moment
we
just
put,
I
think,
for
my
other
projects,
it's
similar
to
the
same
one.
So
I
put
vinyl
right
under
the
you
might.
C
Want
to
think
about
something
tougher
to
handle
your
tenants,
no
problem,
no
problem,
yeah!
You
know
you
might
want
to
think
of
a
of
a
painted
wood
surface
or
a
painted
hung
stucco
or
any
one
of
a
number
of
different
things.
Sure
no
problem,
but
you
are
having
you,
are
planning
on
putting
in
a
surface
and
it'd
be
painted
in
some
fashion.
C
C
L
No,
we
did.
It
wasn't
part
of
the
plans
to
add
a
gutter
system
at
the
present
moment.
But
if
it's
required
not
a
problem,
we
could
easily
be
done.
L
B
L
The
new
porsche
extension:
it's
we
just
plan
to
use
the
basic,
the
same
material
that
we
currently
have
now.
So
it's
going
to
be
an
extension
over
it,
so
shingles
finishing
on
top
of
on
top
of
the
roof.
You
mean
you
mean
on
top
of
the
yeah.
B
L
At
the
present
moment,
yes,
it
wasn't,
we
never.
I
never
had
an
issue
with
parking
most
of
the
tenants
and
either
there
was
never
an
issue
with
parking
before,
but
obviously
you
know,
if
there's
an
issue
I
can
adjust
it.
K
F
About
the
front
porch
edition.
A
A
H
Elaine
lund,
historic
preservation
staff
there
was
a
this
has
been
reviewed
by
our
transportation
planners
planning
staff,
and
their
comment
was
that
this
project
did
not
appear
that
it
would
trigger
an
entire
site
review
and
okay.
B
L
If
it
is
exposed
anything
paint,
I
mean
obviously
I'm
trying
to
I
want.
You
know,
make
the
building
as
most
appealing
as
possible.
So
if
anything
is
exposed,
it
will
be
painted
over
to
to
cover
it
up
and
you're,
referring
to
the
roof
right.
B
B
So
yeah
there
you
go
all
of
those
straps
now
some
of
those
obviously
are
going
to
be
hidden
and
most
of
those
will
be
hidden
from
the
street,
but
the
ones
I'm
more
concerned
with
are
the
ones
that
I
feel
like
we're,
probably
going
to
see
at
the
top
of
the
columns
so
which
leads
into
another
question.
Is
there
any
plan
to
wrap
the
six
by
six
columns
to
maybe
even
make
them
larger.
B
L
The
ideas
what
I
did
I
was
talking
with
the
contractor-
was
actually
even
the
wood
columns,
putting
stucco
around
the
wood
columns
and
making
everything
kind
of
almost
as
one
column
from
from
the
ground
to
this
to
the
top
and
those
those
straps
there
are
going
to
be
covered
with,
I
think,
with
either
vinyl,
I'm
not
exactly
sure
the
material,
but
those
will
be
covered
with
a
clip.
Yeah.
L
From
the
street,
but
to
answer
your
question
regarding
the
clip
on
the
side
for
the
columns,
it
would
either
be
painted
at
minimal,
but
we
one
of
our
new
ideas
was
to
to
put
stucco
around
it.
That
way,
it
could
give
a
better
curb
appeal
from
the
street.
Okay.
A
Nope,
so
you
have
five
minutes
for
a
rebuttal.
If
there's
anything
you'd
like
to
add
that
you
thought
of
while
we
were
questioning.
L
No
more
comments
I
have
is,
if
any
adjustments
I
need
to
make.
Obviously
yes,
I
would
love
to
make
it
for
the
name
for
the
that
particular
neighborhood.
So,
okay.
L
A
We
are
going
to
ask
you
a
question
right
now.
Okay,
if
you
need
to
rest,
you
can
sit
when
it
comes
to
detailing
the
gable
end.
You
know
we
were
just
talking
about
straps
when
we
look
to
start
pressing
it.
There
are
a
lot
of
ways
that
we
use
trim
details
to
help
with
those
connection
points
personally
well,
even
professionally
stucco
around
a
wood
column.
A
A
K
D
I
think
a
stucco
could
be
appropriate
for
that,
and
I
would
I
would
also
kind
of
I
envisioned
when
I
looked
at
this,
the
elevations
that
those
the
12
by
12
cmu
peers
might
want
to
proportionately
be
even
a
little
bigger
than
12x12
and
stuccoed,
and
then
the
6x6.
D
If
that
was
wrapped
with
something,
so
they
became
a
little
more.
That's
the
slenderness
factor,
something
about
how
skinny
it
all
looks,
doesn't
look
right
and
if
the
piers
were
a
little
wider
and
then
the
beefier
a
little
beefier
and
then,
if
the
wood
columns
above
were
wrapped
in
in
a
wood
trim
or
something
appropriate
like
that
to
make
them
a
little
bit
thicker
that
would
be
compatible
with
the
handrail
components.
C
Here,
excuse
me,
thank
you
very
much,
we're
presented
here
tonight
with
a
a
very
extensive
structural
construction
document
package,
and
I
think
perhaps
one
of
the
things
that
we're
really
missing
here
is
not
not
the
structural
issues.
That's
solved.
That's
a
problem
solved,
I
think,
what's
missing
here
is
an
indication
of
your
intention
on
your
street
presence.
What
do
you
want
this
to
look
like
in
terms
of
its
material
and
the
detailing
from
the
street,
for
your
curb
appeal.
L
C
B
Yeah,
I
agree
not
let
me
cut
you
off,
but
you
know
we're
dealing
with
a
structural
engineer,
not
an.
B
I
think
I
think
we're
missing
a
really
good
opportunity
here
for
not
only
the
columns
to
present
better,
but
we've
also
got
a
pretty
sizable
beam
up
there
that
we
could
wrap
and
create
a
nice
piece
of
trim.
That
would
just
take
this
building,
which,
unfortunately,
is
not
a
historic
structure,
but
it
is
in
a
historic
district,
but
it
would,
it
would
add
value
to
the
district.
A
I
agree,
I
think
I
commend
the
owner
for
looking
at
his
property
and
reevaluating
it
and
understanding
that
it
needs
some
attention
and
that
you
are
doing
more
than
just
merely
replacing
what
is
what
is
existing
and
you're,
also
offering
your
tenants
an
opportunity
to
enjoy
outdoor
spaces
that
they
don't
currently
have
right
and
be
more
of
that
street
scene.
A
But
I
do
agree
with
my
colleagues
I
feel
like
it
still
needs
its
clothes.
It's
got
the
skeleton
it's
ready
to
go,
but
it
right
it
really
can't
go
out
and
party
with
the
rest
of
the
neighborhood.
L
L
A
You
can
you
can
actually
closed
the,
but
that
any
other
comments
or
discussion
points.
Commissioner
myers
anything.
K
D
I
I
concur
with
my
fellow
commissioner
that
the
the
the
the
skeletons
there,
the
bones,
are
there
structurally,
it's
accurate.
It's
it's
done,
it's
it's
it's
functional,
but
and
and
now
it's
much
bigger
than
you
used
the
the
stairway
and
the
and
the
the
porch
used
to
be,
and
because
it's
so
much
bigger
a
little
more
attention
needs
to
be
paid
to
its
detailing
and
knotted
structure.
D
What
it
looks
like
what
it
feels
like
right
and
its
compatibility
with
other
you
know
bringing
it
bringing
it
more
in
tune
with
other
adjacent
properties
which
are
you
know,
the
ones
that
we
saw
in
immediately
adjacent
are
glorious
examples,
and
you
know
just
a
little
bit
of
work
on
some
carpentry
and
some
trim,
and
some
detailing
on
this
could
really
enhance
this
submission
and,
like
you
said,
put.
K
B
B
B
Moving
this
forward
at
this
stage
with
staff
taking
over
with
conditions
or
the
alternative,
and
that's
you
know,
I
I
heard
several
items
that
are
not
they're,
not
small.
I
don't
think
they're
major
changes,
but
you
know
hilt
versus
gable.
D
D
A
B
The
the
columns
and
more
the
second
floor
columns,
just
the
the
spindliness
of
the
the
small
nominal
size
of
the
column,
compared
to
the
lower
level,
need
some
attention,
but
there
again,
if
they're,
wrapped,
with
whether
it
be
a
wood
or
some
other
alternative
material
that
column's
automatically
going
to
get
a
couple
inches
bigger.
B
L
A
G
Don't
think
so
ron
villa
staff
for
historic
preservation.
I
was
telling
him
how
the
hearing
was
going
to
go
and
it
is
probably
going
to
go
either
to
be
continued
or
final
with
with
some
content,
with
some
conditions
attached
to
it
and
he's
comfortable
with
those
conditions.
E
E
Move
to
grant
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
the
drawings
and
documents
presented
at
this
public
hearing
in
arc
22-160
for
the
property
located
at
310
east
francis
avenue,
with
the
following
conditions
that
the
project
as
presented
be
further
elaborated
and
the
detailing
be
coordinated
with
staff
to
add
stucco
at
the
columns
at
the
at
the
first
level
and
at
the
front
facing
gable
and
to
add
additional
finishes
to
the
structural
column.
Structural
wood
columns.
At
the
second
floor.
K
E
There
any
are
there
any
changes
that
you
folks
would
would
like
to.
That
would
like
to
make
to
that.
L
Yes,
so
you
it
may
speak
yes,
so
the
reason
you
just
want
the
columns,
the
concrete
columns
on
the
first
floor
to
raptor
stucco
and
the
finish
wood
finishing
on
the
second
four
columns
with
columns.
Am
I
correct.