City Of Tampa Barrio Latino Commission 2020, 15 Dec 2020

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Barrio Latino Commission 12152020

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To call to order the december 15 2020 public hearing for the city of tampa's barrio, latino.

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Commission welcome everyone. I'm john thompson, chair of the commission, if you're here to.

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Present a project you have limited time to make your presentation, so we suggest being thorough.

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But concise when coming to the microphone, you'll need to identify yourself and your relationship.

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To the project, the commissioners will not ask any questions during your presentation.

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But you, your project should be presented in the following order: site plan elevations.

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Architectural details, wall sections staff present staff report. We will then ask for public comment.

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Following your presentation, the commissioners will be asking questions in the same order as.

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The presentation please state and spell your name clearly, if you're here to speak for or against a.

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Project your time will be limited to three minutes. So take some time now. To summarize your comments.

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Because the three minutes does go by very quickly following public comment: the applicant will have.

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Five minutes for rebuttal, the public hearing will then be closed. The only comments which will be.

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Allowed after public hearings closed will be in response to any questions from the commissioners.

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The commissioners will then discuss the case and will make their decision based on the.

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City ordinance, chapter 20, chapter 27 of the city, zoning code, the design guidelines, the secretary.

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Interior standards, design review comments and the testimony given at this public hearing.

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The blc can only act on items that are within our specific jurisdictional responsibility.

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Owner agents are independently responsible to obtain any appropriate permits and or approvals.

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If you haven't already done so, please silence your cell phones and I'd like to have commissioners.

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Introduce themselves starting on my left good morning, I'm eric schiller good morning, jose.

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Geloff good morning, I'm leaving wind good morning, I'm alex andreakos good morning. I'm liz welch.

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And today we have with us dennis fernandez ron, vila beverly, cusack and kamaria titus mackel.

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Sorry number 11, if you haven't already done so, please silence yourself.

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On the agenda, we have the reading of the minutes from november 20 november 17 2020.. uh I need a.

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Motion for the meeting minutes so moved need a second second, any discussion. All in favor.

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Any opposed no meeting minutes are approved.

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Announcements good morning, commissioners, dennis fernandez, architecture, review and.

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Historic preservation manager welcome to uh our final uh hearing of uh 2020.

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uh By now uh you should have your 2021 calendar. If you do not have that, please let beverly know.

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We'll make sure to send that back out to you digitally, but.

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Does have the public hearing dates for next year identified so that you can plan accordingly.

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Also, I do have the blc staff reviews for november I'll be submitting those into the record, and I.

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Just wanted to take a moment to let you know that libby jeffries with our staff is retiring.

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After 49 years of service to the city of tampa, we, as you know, she's an integral part of our.

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Team we're going to miss her and if you get a second to wish her well, please.

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Take the opportunity to do so, thank you and I think we're ready to move on with.

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The agenda uh good morning, commissioners, kamaria pettis mackel from the city attorney's office,.

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Will the commissioners please state on the record whether or not they have any.

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Accomplished submissions regarding any of the items that are listed on the agenda.

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I see no shaking of the heads in.

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Reflecting a no to the answer, just for the record additionally, will the commissioners please state.

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Whether or not they have any conflict, I mean uh any ex-parte communication regarding any.

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Of the items that are listed on the agenda, no, no, no thank you. Moving on. We have a no.

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Continuations this morning, so we'll advance on to the swearing anyone in the audience who's going to.

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Be presenting or testifying this morning, please stand and raise your right hand for the swearing.

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With that, we are ready for our first case and ron will introduce the case.

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Thank you good morning, commissioners ron, villam staff with historic preservation.

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This morning we are going to start our hearing with blc 21-14, slash t-a-c-m-c-p-a-20-23. This is.

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For a comp plan amendment, this is a recommendation to city council for the address of 1402 north 19th.

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Street and 1802 east third avenue the underlying zoning attached to this. These parcels are yc6.

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Moving through uh the photo presentation.

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This is looking at an aerial. There is the property in question. There's two of them. There's one on the.

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Corner of angel oliva senior street, which is also known as 18th and third avenue, property.

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In question is highlighted in the uh the green box: there is a parcel here and then there's a little.

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Division line that separates an additional parcel to the east. We can't see what you're talking about.

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It's on my screen not on ours,.

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Give them a minute, please.

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I want to take a minute.

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Will this one work here.

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We can see that, can we zoom in please.

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Thank you so, just to reiterate what I was discussing here. There's two parcels.

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That are within this green box, they're on the corner of third avenue and angel oliva senior.

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Street this is the complaint amendment.

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This is showing the earlier map from 1929. There was no development in that area.

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And once again, it's on the corner of third avenue, and this shows 18th street.

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This is to kind of clear it up a little bit. There is one parcel that is here.

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And then there's a sliver of land and that's why, when I introduced the cases there were two.

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Separate parcels attached to it. Currently, you see the rooftop of the corner that flanks, the.

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Corner there, this is a non-contributing structure that faces third avenue.

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As you look at the facade that faces angel oliva,.

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Just to get a reference point of what's on the subject site and to the rear.

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Directly across the street, you have a uh cigar factory, the caraway disco, a couple.

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Of street shots, this is looking down third avenue to 19th street, which is to the east.

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And turning around in the other direction, this is looking down third avenue to the west.

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Abutting, the site: that's a vacant parcel.

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And this came in front of the board on december 17.

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2019 there for a comp plan amendment as well, they did receive the umu zoning classification.

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So past action: this is the property in question here today on the corner.

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Of third and angel oliva, this is what you're reviewing for a recommendation of city council.

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And just as past action, the abundant property to the east uh was reviewed by this board and.

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Did go to city council and receive approval for the umu 60 that is being requested today.

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That concludes the photo presentation. This time I have the agent come forward thanks ron.

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Excuse me at this time, danny collins with the planning commission is going to address the board. He has a quick photo presentation.

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Good morning, this is danny collins with the planet. Commission staff.

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This is tampa comprehensive plan. Amendment 2023.

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The subject site is within the central tampa planning district. It's within the historic eborn.

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uh Neighborhood and it's also within the ybor city urban village, it's shown here on the map.

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This is an aerial map of the subject site and the surrounding properties.

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You'll see the subject site's outlined as black color. It's on the northeast corner of east 3rd avenue and angeli olivas, and your street oops.

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Quick background, this is a privately initiated request. It's a small scale amendment. It's.

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Approximately uh 0.23 acres and the request is to change from the general mixed-use 24.

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Future land use designation to the urban mixed u60 designation here is the adopted future land.

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Use map you'll see the subject site under that general mixed use, 24 category, there's umu 60 60.

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Directly to the east and south of the subject site, and then there is gmu 24 to the east and.

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Southeast of the subject site this rad record represents the community commercial, 35, designation.

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This is the proposed future land use map showing the subject site under the urban mix. 260 category.

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This is a slideshow on the potential impacts of the proposed request currently under the gmu 24.

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The site can be considered for five residential units or just over fifteen thousand square feet.

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Of non-residential development, as proposed, the site can be considered for thirteen dwelling units.

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Or just over thirteen thousand square feet of non-residential development, so this would allow.

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Higher residential density and great greater commercial intensity on the subject site.

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The planning commission staff reviewed the request and found it uh consistent.

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With several of the policies in the comprehensive plan, as it relates to the city planning strategy,.

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Development in urban villages and neighborhoods, and also that was consistent with the number.

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Of the housing policies of the plan based on those considerations, the planning commission.

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Found the request, consistent with the goals, objectives and policies of the imagine 2040.

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Tampa comprehensive plan I'm available for any questions.

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Thank you. We have the opportunity.

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We have the staff report next is: is there an initial the application? Oh thank you.

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I got ahead of myself.

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Good morning, mr chairman, commission members, my name is mark bentley, 401, east jackson,.

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Street tampa 33602, I represent the applicant property owners. The intent is to integrate this.

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0.23 acre parcel, which is approximately 10 000 square feet into the existing multi-family.

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Development that was approved, the ca was approved by this commission sometime in december of 2019.

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The city has a provision as a comprehensive plan that prohibits transfer of entitlements.

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Between properties that don't do not have the same land use designation so, for example,.

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These properties, wow.

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I'm pointing to to the east: these were the subject matter of the ca, and this is the.

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Property in question right here so from the what we call the flop house, the contributing.

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Structure located on 19th that was already umu, then when we came in as ron indicated last year,.

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We changed roughly this area to umu, so now this is being changed, so this allows the total.

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Integration of the project and you can transfer entitlements throughout the entire entire project.

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Also, the gmu 24 category has been characterized by the city is essentially a placeholder that doesn't.

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Show any specific development trend, it's kind of a holding pattern until developments proposed.

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Is the way the city describes it in its comprehensive plan.

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So at this point in time, there's four positive recommendations. You have the.

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Planning, commission staff- that's mr collins, the planning commission passed a resolution.

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To city council requesting that they find the plan amendment consistent- that was a few months ago,.

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The development services staff there's a memo in the back of materials that have.

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Hopefully been provided to you from frank hall, finding the comprehensive plan consistent with.

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The criteria set forth in the land use element of the comprehensive plan, and now you have the.

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Barrio staff, finding the proposed amendment consistent and obviously we'll be back here.

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Again to uh tweak the project and that will be presented to the commission for a ca approval. So.

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If you have any questions, I'll, certainly attempt to answer them. Thank you. Thank you, commissioners.

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Ron villa staff with historic preservation staff finds that this application is consistent with the.

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Objectives: delineated in the city of tampa code of ordinances, with chapter 27, 95, a 2h.

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Your charge this morning is to review the and recommend reasonable lane use changes.

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To the extent necessary to preserve the historic integrity and appearance of the local, historic.

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District, any future development on this parcel will come back to this board for a certificate.

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Of appropriateness I'll be here to answer any questions, and mr collins is here as well.

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Thank you thanks ron, we have the opportunity for public comment for this case. If there's anybody.

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uh Here to speak uh for or against this particular case now, seeing none uh we'll.

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Open it to uh commissioners to ask questions of the applicant starting up to the left.

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No questions. Thank you. No questions, no questions, no questions, nope. I don't have any.

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Wow no questions from the commissioners. um You have uh five minutes for rebuttal.

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No, I appreciate the opportunity I'll pass thanks. Well, we appreciate seeing you again.

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uh Let's see so, what we can do is we'll close the public hearing and we can discuss the case.

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And move to a motion appears that uh by granting this they're going to actually have.

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More flexibility with how to create a compatible streetscape and, at the same time, incorporate the.

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Historic structure, so I could support agreed and then it's exciting to see more of that.

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Urban density go into ebore as well yeah. I would agree. Okay, um I think that uh that was pretty.

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Easy discussion, so we we can uh ask for a motion regarding this uh recommendation to city council.

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Yeah so move to recommend city council approve blc21-14, ta-cpa 20-23 for the property located at.

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1402 north 19th street and 1802 east third avenue for the proposed rezoning from gmu-24 to umu-60.

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um Finding that is consistent with section 27-95 a2h of the city tampa code.

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Ordinances, we have a motion, do we have a second? Second? We have a motion and a second with.

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No attachments or anything to it, no matter what so um all in favor aye aye any opposed.

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Motion carries hey. Thank you have a great day appreciate it see you next year.

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Good morning, commissioners ron villa the next case is blc 20-167. This has dual addresses as.

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Well, the first address is 1705 north 16th street, and the second address attached to this request is.

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1704 north 17th street, uh the the structure that faces 16th street is a contributing structure.

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That dates back to 1908 the second structure, that's attached, that is on the eastern portion,.

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Of the site is a non-contributing structure that was constructed in approximately 1959, both of.

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Those structures have the zoning classification as yc1 the request in front of you this morning.

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Is for a certificate of appropriateness for mixed use and apartments they're going to do some site.

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Improvements and renovations to the contributing structure also attached to the request, as if.

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There's three variances attached: I spoke with the agent he is going to address the variances first.

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That the variants are successful, then we'll go into the certificate of appropriateness.

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So on this one, I'm going to start with the vicinity map.

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The parcel in question is highlighted in the shaded green area.

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This is to show that the concentration of the commercial core on 7th avenue is to the.

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North this, this property is between 16th and 17th street on 6th avenue, which is the railroad tracks.

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This is the sanborn map from the early 1900s. Once again, the property in question is here.

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In the shaded green area, a portion of the building, as I stated, that the contributing structure.

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Is there and then the addition was on the eastern portion.

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This is 16th street, then you have 17th street and then the railroad tracks run.

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To the south, there is an alley that runs east west to the north of the subject site.

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This is looking from above. This is the contributing portion of the building.

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And this is the non-contributing that will be removed and then they'll come vertical in this.

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Section here and then there is a parking area. Currently there there's a surface parking lot.

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That will have construction on top of that.

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This is looking back at the buildings that are there. This is looking from uh the south.

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Looking north, this is the portion of the building, that's contributing, and then the.

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Non-Contributing portion here this is obviously the portion that faces the railroad tracks.

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As you look at the front, elevation.

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This is faces 16th street, along the alley to the north.

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You have this condition just another shot of that alley.

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Looking at some of the fenestration on the period building moving to the south elevation, which faces.

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The railroad tracks and the current parking once again, this is the contributing structure.

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Consistent with more of an industrial style building as it worked with the railroad track and.

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The metal windows here you see the visor that's in place over the front facade with the tie back rods.

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Some additional windows- these are the ones that face the alley.

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Moving to the southern portion, this is the surface lot as it exists today.

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Looking at more of a complete shot of that south elevation, you see the railroad tracks in the.

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Foreground the contributing structure and then the non-contributing as you.

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Move to the east towards 17th street: this is the facade on 17th street.

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The condition of the alley and that north elevation, the current connection of the buildings.

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And just to conclude, looking from 17th back into the subject site, you have the non-contributing.

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This is 17th street here, 9 contributing structure, surface and then the railroad tracks.

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And then the condition at the railroad tracks as you move to the south.

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And that concludes the photo presentation at this time. Mr alfonso will address the board.

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Once again, focusing on the variance first.

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I do want you guys to know that there is a very nice certificate of appropriate appropriateness.

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Presentation that hopefully we'll get to, um I also just want to just take a a very brief moment and.

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Thank uh the service that this commission does uh some of you that are yes, kamaria pettisnapple from.

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The city attorney's office, can you please announce your name albert alfonso, 1705, north 16th street.

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um We we bought our property in 1998., uh we are kind of old-standing uh citizens of ybor city.

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And I've sat where you all have sat. Sometimes it's a it's a thankless job.

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Certainly, this year has been a very difficult year for all of us, but you guys have done great work.

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During this year, um hotel haya we're we're pretty excited about that. If you guys have not seen it.

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um I believe mr thompson and mr gelats were were on that approval about 49 years ago, when, when we.

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Were in front of you, I can't believe you're still on this commission they're gonna have.

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To drag you guys out, but hopefully, if you guys come see that it is currently ranked number one.

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In the usa today, survey for new hotels across the country, and so um I believe that this is a great.

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Moment for ybor city- and I believe that you guys are the stewards of a great treasure. So I want to.

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Thank you guys for the work you do that. Having been said um as ron had mentioned, this is the.

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The site I do want to to take note um that prana is here and we are asking for.

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Three variances one is for a height variance from 45 to 54.. We got that that height from.

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From a couple of of what we, what we call hindrances to the development right now, we are the.

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The existing cigar, I mean, excuse me the existing train station, where our office is right now.

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It's holy ground for us, I'm cuban, jose marti gave a speech there. It is certainly something.

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That we do not want to to touch so on the height variance that we're asking for um one of the.

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The issues is that we are not taking advantage of the far of 3.25 we're at 3.23, so I will show.

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You kind of geometrically how we're disposing square footage. This is also the parking garage.

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Which is adjacent to us, which is roughly over 70 feet tall, depending on where you measure it. The.

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Tower is over 80 feet tall, so certainly these two sort of bookending buildings are, you know where we.

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Are going to make the argument that you know the height is not an issue.

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So, as ron had said, this is the this is the historical building. This is our train station.

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Where our offices are right now, programmatically we're going to be putting restaurants and a gym.

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And some retail on the ground floor, so we are actually pushing our offices up to the second.

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Floor um and really activating the streetscape, which I think programmatically, is very important.

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um The other thing that I do also want to mention is oh, and this is the yeah this. This is the.

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Non-Contributing structure will be which will be coming down and you can see sort of prana in the.

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Background we we also have met with. um Could you adjust that picture for us? It's not square.

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Screen yeah there you go better. Yes, I'm gonna show a couple of exhibits of how you know we.

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Actually relate to the prana roof deck. We certainly are good neighbors with prana.

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And we want to make sure that that our project does not block anything from that wonderful roof.

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Deck that they have there and we actually use their parapet line as our datum line.

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So this is the general site plan right here. You can see the train station building right here.

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We are pushing out into the parking lot here with a three-story addition of which two floors.

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Of that would be our office and then we're going to inhabit the second floor of the train station.

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This is the micro unit apartment project, it's 176 units. I do want to stress the fact that, having.

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Residential units, this close to 7th avenue- and I was speaking to richard gonsmart yesterday and he.

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Was saying this is really truly. What we need is to have bodies right off of 7th avenue, feeding.

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Into 7th avenue, so I just think that you know programmatically. It is a really good use for the.

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Site itself, we are pushing off on the top floor of this building we're pushing back 26 feet off.

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Of 17th street and we're pushing back three feet off of uh the south, where the railroad tracks are.

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This there's a swimming pool that we're going to propose here, but obviously another hardship.

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That we're dealing is putting residential on an alley. You know is causing certain by code.

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We have to do some certain geometrics to actually make the project work.

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So this is the um the diagram that talks about this transposition of square footage of for our.

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Far again, this is holy ground. This is our our the existing train station building and we're.

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Taking that footprint and we're transposing it over here to the to the other side of the site.

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Against the uh railroad tracks, which we feel is, is quite appropriate from an urban density standpoint.

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This is the proposition we're talking about here. This is you know. um We see this a lot as ron had.

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Mentioned it's a industrial. Our our train station has a lot of the industrial characteristics that.

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Are in the ybor city design, guidelines- and we are coming in with these- these really.

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Very nice, intense steel windows. If you get a chance to look at haya.

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We were able to come in and do some some really nice steel, real steel windows on that project.

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And we intend to do that. I know I'm jumping kind of into the certificate of appropriateness, but.

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The other thing I do want to mention here is sort of the push back here and the change of material.

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That we are doing on the you know the the top floor of the the residential project. I.

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Mean I think that that is another way that we are sort of making a gesture.

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For the height there is precedence that you'll see in the future presentation that talks about paris.

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And rooftops and things like that, that really help to bring the scale down and keep that datum line.

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Intact, this is the first floor plan and there is, let me see if I can read this.

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On the other two variances, there is a loading service zone which is basically reduce the.

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Space to 12 feet by 30 feet for local deliveries. Only. I do want to stress that.

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There is no semis, because this is a residential project, and this is the exact loading dock that.

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You guys approved for haya just to give you some historical context, also we're asking for allowing.

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The maneuverability and the right-of-way for loading and service zone- obviously you guys know.

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That loading and service is a big issue for the city of tampa and ybor city. It's probably a future.

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Workshop at some point, I'm constantly having to sort of negotiate around large semi trucks.

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And whatnot, but um you know right now: that's not going to be a problem on our project and I.

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Think that that's also a little bit of a hardship, because we are actually burying the the loading.

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Dock within the project itself, which is causing you know the the height of the building, to go up.

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So um I don't know if, if the the board is interested in programmatic elements, we can.

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Come back, you know during discussion and talk about that. I do want to mention here.

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Again, we're trying to be quite sensitive to the historical building and are taking a very purist.

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Approach, uh you know we could add another floor on top of that, but we really feel like that's not.

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The appropriate thing to do we are still under our far of 3.25 on the project.

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And we also feel that, with you know, with prana being at uh at 54 feet and with the adjacent.

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Parking garage being much higher than our project that this is uh certainly an appropriate request.

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um I think I've gone close to my 10 minutes. We can sort of.

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Open it up for discussion or or what would be the board's uh okay, great well I'll, keep going then.

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The this is the um this is certainly the the the most sensitive elevation we think on the project.

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um You know we are activating again there will be retail space here. A gymnasium entrance here.

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And also we're coming in with a it's a concept: we're not at liberty to talk about, but we're.

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Looking at something uh from london that would come in and have you know a strong restaurant.

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Concept that we really like we're pretty excited about what we can't talk about.

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Again, you, you guys, will see some of these in the in the future presentation for appropriateness.

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um I do want to kind of throw this on here. This is obviously the paris.

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Rooftops of the precedence where you have the the zinc uh zinc tops of the of the.

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You know the datum line pushes back, so you get you, you really get that strong, read.

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Here of the body of the building and then the the top piece just sort of pushes back.

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And this is the.

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The diagram that really talks about prana and the relationship of our rooftop to prana.

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And again talking about the loading dock, I know that you guys would be excited about this slide.

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But this is um generally the loading docks that we have been involved with and other projects in.

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E-Board this is this is the one that's at haya that you guys approved, and it's very similar to.

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That, in in geometry, this is a sort of an axo from above which talks about the relationship of prana.

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And the relationship of the addition back here, where we're asking for the height variance.

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Again, you can see we have pushed back the building 25 feet, so it doesn't register on 17th street.

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We push it back three feet here, so it sort of has that.

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That really nice feel of sort of a push back top.

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Again, the relationship of of the project with seventh avenue. Excuse me, sir, before.

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Your time runs up kamaria pedestal from the city attorney's office. Do you want to focus on your.

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Hardship criteria for the variances, I'm sorry the partnership criteria for the variances. Yes, okay,.

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I don't quite understand that, but do I have to read that.

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Thank you, mr bentley is not up here to do this for me, so.

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So our hardships include due to the purist development approach adopted by respect in the.

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Historical train station contributing structure: we are relocating 6, 400 square feet of potential.

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Far development, the square footage allowed to the new construction on the east side of the parcel.

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Additional hardships are due to the prohibition of residential units opening onto the alley.

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Due to fire ratings and the integration of a compactor and a transformer on the site,.

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The variance uh the additional nine feet of height requested uh total building height.

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Of 54 feet from finish, four will not interfere with the health, safety or welfare of adjacent.

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Properties, the adjacent central ibo garage is approximately 16 60 feet at the low point.

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Not including the tower and the adjacent prana building is approximately 54 feet.

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And we feel that the proposed building height requested is in harmony with the.

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Adopted tampa comprehensive plan. Thank.

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And commissioners ron villa staff with historic preservation at this time.

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The variance portion has been completed by the agent.

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The board could uh begin to review their variance request as submitted you could take them one at a.

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Time or you could have a motion for the variances altogether, so that's up to the pleasure of the.

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Board, I do have mr john marsh with transportation that was such address the board at this time.

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John marsh transportation.

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On both the waiver to reduce the size of the one required loading berth from 60 feet to 30 feet and.

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The uh the chapter 27 283.5 to allow maneuvering in the right way for the loading space on 16th.

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Street transportation objects uh for the reason that it is new construction.

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And I'm here, if you have any additional questions,.

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We have the opportunity for public comment for the variances.

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Portion of the application, if there are any people to speak before or against the variance requests.

A

D

Good morning to the board, I appreciate your time opportunity. I'm attorney candace calucci.

D

And I represent talbot llc and sam calucci, so, as mr alfonso was speaking about, is that the.

D

Building that's proposed, and the variance that has been requested will be a budding to the piranha.

D

Buildings, that's what he kept on talking about, so I am here on behalf of the building and the.

D

Owners of that building, so our main concern really was for that variance from the 40.

D

45 feet to 54 feet is that we have five floors in the top floor. We have as a rooftop and so the.

D

Issue that we were looking at was that if this new proposal was going to block the view of piranha, so.

D

I actually actually met with mr alfonso, who was extremely professional, that he had put that into.

D

A consideration when he was drawing out these plans, as he showed you guys, and so as the way.

D

It looks right now there shouldn't be any type of restricted view. He reassured us assured us.

D

That there isn't and then he also said, he'd- be willing to even reduce his building size up to.

D

A foot in order to make sure that his building is not blocking ours, and so those were those were our.

D

Main issues: we welcome the new development to to ebork to grow that historical community, so we're.

D

Very excited about it. I know mr alfonso and his crew has put in a lot of effort and the stuff they.

D

Have done around the community has really brought in people to that area. So, as I said before, at this.

D

Point in time, we don't have an objection based on those those assertions from mr alfonso that his.

D

Building height the highest part of the top of his buildings will not exceed piranha, which is talbert.

D

Llc, which is at 1619th 7th avenue, that's all I have right now. Thank you guys so much. Thank you.

L

Good morning uh my name is giancarlo giusti. um I live in iber, I'm a resident.

L

Of iowa, I'm a neighbor, and I also worked in abroad for about 15 years.

L

I'm part of the fabric of ebook, I really enjoy the place. We also have a fabrication shop and we were.

L

Lucky enough to work in the hotel higher- and this is why I'm here, I'm here- to support this project.

L

Projects like these bring density to ibr and activate jobs into the society. It also enhances.

L

The residential aspect of uber, which is what we need for more density for more jobs and therefore.

L

Better quality of living alfonso has done a great job on you know, bringing the fabric into the the.

L

Historical aspect of ebola city with steel and tectonics, and we're very happy for that. I hope.

L

This project goes forward. I think it looks amazing right now. I worked on the warehouse.

L

That they're going to demolish for many years, and that is just an empty parking lot that has.

L

A lot of homeless people walking around doing drugs, and you can find a lot of needles and and.

L

All sorts of crazy things, because it's just a parking lot that gets activated in the night.

L

Right now, with this development, I think it would be important to bring a nice residential aspect.

L

To the community um you know more neighbors, more people living in there. Evil is not the same place.

L

It used to be 20 25 years ago. The nightlife has become the daily life, even breakfast life. You know.

L

It's been really great, so I'm encouraging you guys to approve this project. It's really great.

L

Some of the homeless people that activate the parking lot at night.

L

They have become workers for us. uh We, we pay some of them to do workforce so.

L

Not only the you know, we're transforming the the community, but then we're bringing.

L

Something beautiful into the streets, which is three facades all at once. Thank you. Thank you.

A

I don't see any additional public comment for the variance request, so we will have the.

A

Opportunity to ask questions of the applicant from the commissioners, starting on my left.

C

C

I'm all for this project. I think it's wonderful.

C

My question is, I don't see any hardships on the hardship request. Can you go over those again.

J

Currently, um we could technically um put density above the existing train station.

J

Building uh we're allowed under under the yc1 I'm glad you bring that up because.

C

You've got me: let's: let's go ahead and we'll save the um the back and forth for the rebuttal.

D

No I'm sorry, mr chair, I was just asking, are you? Are you.

D

Are you, mr commissioner, asking questions of the applicant to address it? Yes, of course, uh I thought.

L

That's what I was doing, I'm sorry yeah. I don't see any hardships at all regarding the uh the height.

C

Variance and you kind of lost me.

C

About transferring allowable space to someplace else, I've been doing this for a few years. I've not.

C

Seen anybody do that it kind of looks like smoke and mirrors to me. Okay, can you explain yeah, please.

J

um Currently, um typically, what like, uh when, when you all approved hotel, haya.

J

For example, um there is, I believe, 20 percent ron that is allowed the we we got a roof.

J

uh A roof structure that was uh 20 of the existing square footage that was allowed on the roof.

J

So what we are saying is that we go beyond that by the 6 300 square feet, which is.

J

Above the existing train station, of which I would say, is a very fragile building, and certainly we.

J

Would not want to actually try to gut the building and add another floor to that. So.

C

Far by keeping that building down uh you know there is a. There is far that by square footage and.

J

And by allowance that we're allowed to and what we're doing is we're we're taking that far square.

J

Footage because we're not adding it up on top of the the train station and we're moving it.

J

To the east side of the project, does that make sense? Maybe okay regarding the uh regarding the.

C

The variance for height and the hardships that you're citing for that.

C

I don't see them. Could you explain that to me say I'm sorry eric say that again regarding the.

C

The hardships that requ that you're, citing to require the height to exceed the rules.

C

Right you're asking the variance for there's there's a couple of hardships here. One is.

J

By by right, we are zone and allowed 3.25, which is allowable square footage to develop on the site.

J

If we took a kind of you know, peanut butter and sort of spread it evenly around the.

J

Site that would mean adding another floor to the historical train station.

J

Obviously, we don't want to do that because it would completely change the fabric of the project.

J

It would completely change the you know the the look of the train station. So we have this sort.

J

Of you know, purist approach. This is not smoke and mirrors. It's basically taking that square footage.

J

And putting it, you know, on the on the back side, mostly sort of against the alley on the east side,.

J

Of the project and we're pushing it back off the 17th street, obviously you saw in in the elevations.

J

You can't really see it by pushing it back, so the six thousand square feet that we are transposing.

J

Is the six thousand feet that we could actually add on top of the train station, but we're not.

C

Thank you welcome uh one question regarding the variances that you're asking for in terms.

B

Of loading for the the new construction- yes, you mentioned that this project is going to consist.

B

Of multiple micro apartments, that's kind of a new yeah model here, I'm just curious uh trying.

B

To ascertain the uh the need for uh or the intensity of, delivery on an offside are those.

B

Apartments, my understanding is they're, typically furnished or they're guided yes, they're typically.

J

Furnished so it'd be very light deliveries, so in terms of activity of tenants it would be.

B

Yeah nobody's moving in and out uh they're they're. They come pre-furnished.

J

This is a company out of uh of california that they've done 16 000 of these in in california,.

J

They're they're doing them here they are furnished okay and just to confirm that it appeared from the.

B

Plans that you're going to present are presented for the variants, the commercial loading dock.

B

Is just for the micro apartments, it doesn't physically pertain to the commercial space.

J

That's correct, okay! Thank you! Okay, yeah! Just going over that, can we take a look at the site.

I

Plan or the website plan just to understand how the loading and all that maneuvering works.

J

I assume you want to see the first floor plan.

J

So this is the loading bay that comes off of 17th street here.

J

And I would say that currently we are again, um I mean you, you could argue that I mean this is.

J

Blowing out, because of the height of this guy, it's blowing out of you know units above, but you know.

J

Currently, you know we have to negotiate all the time where a lot of these 7th avenue guys that.

J

They'll park right here on 17th street, so you know what we're trying to do is not add to the problem.

I

Okay understand the layout all right. Thank you for showing us that okay.

G

um I think the other commissioners have answered my questions. I think thank you. I have a question.

H

For the department of transportation- but I don't know when I need to throw that in here.

H

Sure my question is, they are the only um they are the only ones who have opposed this.

H

That I understood and the reason was new construction.

H

And I don't understand, I don't understand your reason. Can you send me through that? Okay.

K

The reason is the there is a code, for there is a code for new construction. We expect that.

K

When there is a new project that those code that people attempt to accommodate that code,.

H

And you don't think that's happening. Is that not happening in this project.

K

We have, we have a standard code for calculations for loading for for different uses and the code.

K

Is very explicit as to what that is, there isn't a provision in the code.

K

There's certainly nothing at this time for micro apartments. The difference in loading for that.

K

There there isn't a difference in the code for ebor city.

K

That we're applying the same loading code we would apply throughout the city. um There have.

K

That's one of the reasons that people are often asking for variances to this board.

K

Because they feel like that's harder to accomplish primarily in a historic building or a retrofitted.

K

Historic building, so when it's new construction, we are always going to object, because if we don't.

K

Show up and object, then people think there is no longer a loading requirement in the city of tampa.

K

So one of the reasons we do that is, and you can see throughout the city.

K

Where other developers have asked for waivers and gotten them more and more trucks, just loading on.

K

The street so part of our part of the code provision is to get that off the street and.

K

Into the building, though, it is not easy, a semi is very large and they are asking for a size.

K

Reduction and I um the other, is maneuvering in the right of way. We prefer people to be loading in a.

K

Continuous maneuver onto that's a safety issue, though there are accommodations to minimize that.

K

So so, if I understood what you just put up here in reference to someone's question about the loading.

H

You are making an effort to eliminate some of that traffic off 17th right that truck traffic, because.

J

You can't have trucks you're not supposed to have trucks, go down, seven right now, so you're trying.

H

To eliminate some of that truck traffic, that you're saying exists, am I getting? I want you to.

K

Know I'm getting it right, yeah, I'm not supposed to argue one slide or the other I'm just presenting.

K

The reason why we will defend the code- and I don't mean to be argumentative- I'm just I'm just.

K

Trying to inform you perfect, okay, okay, so, okay, that makes a little bit more sense. I couldn't.

H

Understand the whole, we don't agree because it's new construction, okay, so I now I understand your.

H

Point now I understand where you're coming from. Thank you very much. Okay, that makes sense to me.

H

That's all I have thank you question. Yes, sir. The um you've you've made reference to the.

A

6400 square feet that you don't want to add on top of your existing building, moving it up.

A

And then I recall in the in the hotahaya and other projects, where you're able to use 20 of the roof.

A

That for square footage, what is the the 6400 square feet that you're, putting or what's the.

A

Size of the space that is on on the top floor um that you are asking the height variance for.

A

Because is 6400 and what percent of the floor plate is? That is it because it exceeds 20 that.

A

You need yes, that's right, john, it exceeds it and by what do you know, what percentage.

A

That is, are we are we going from 60 to 40 and therefore you need the request. We are.

J

Trying to find that sheet.

A

Because if you didn't exceed the 20, we do exceed it and we exceed it by graphically I'll, be able.

J

To show you it's probably going to be the last one I find here, yeah, I'm just talking through it.

A

Because if you didn't exceed the 20, you wouldn't have to have the height and variance required.

A

Okay, so what's in yellow is the 20 john okay, and what is uh we're asking for is what is.

J

uh The the square footage of on top of this, so it's about 40 trains, yeah, okay,.

A

So that's the scale of it. Yes, sir you've you've basically said we want to take 20 that we could.

A

Have built and put it up time and therefore we need to have the variance to do so. Yes, sir,.

A

Okay and the the variance uh in or the height modification allows you to potentially build.

A

More than what you're, showing but you're, not going over the far for the project.

A

So you're reallocating square footage to the to the top floor, um while maintaining.

A

uh The historical character of the other- yes, sir, we're actually a little below the far right.

A

Okay, okay, I think that that's the gist of the request. Yes, it is okay. um Those are my questions.

A

So you have an opportunity to have a rebuttal for what you've heard. If you have any.

A

Additional comments or clarifications you'd like to make based upon the three variances.

J

um I mean the only thing I would say, and I guess this is more of an emotional aspect of just ebor.

J

Again, I think the the project needs density to work and uh to put this amount of density on.

J

Seventh avenue for residential, you know, most of our residential developments have been.

J

Sort of you know blocks away, um and so we think that again, this is sort of as.

J

A as a resident of ebore, you know I'm kind of making the plea here that that I really.

J

Think this is an important project to get 176 bodies on seventh avenue to really take care of. As.

J

As giancarlo juicy said, you know a problem right now and we need the height to do that.

A

Thank you so we'll close the public hearing and discuss the case amongst the commissioners.

C

Please come back to me. Okay, uh I believe the project and the more specifically the variance.

B

Requests do meet the criteria uh of hardship in that we're really preserving uh the historic.

B

Train station and basically shifting the density in a project that appears to be consistent with.

B

The long-term growth patterns for the historic district in regards to the loading I think, given.

B

uh The future use and given the fact that you know traditionally, we have, but we have very thick.

B

Streets, get uh you know street dimensions to work with that. We're always going to run into these.

B

Sorts of variance requests for um commercial loading and the new use appears to minimize.

B

Any kind of potential impact that's going to have on the on the district.

I

I generally agree and with the loading that, since one side is compounded by.

I

A train tracks, you have a lot of difficulties to work with as well. I think it's exciting, exciting.

G

Projects I look forward to seeing it. Thank you, alex, I think it's. I think it's a good thing.

H

It's a very good thing, thank you, but we're we are discussing variances only so you know.

A

We can we can get to the project in a minute. Maybe.

A

Oh, we got to circle back around. Thank you. Thank you. I see this as a conundrum and although it's.

C

A wonderful project and I'm a neighbor personally, I support it and I'd like to pack as much density.

C

As I possibly can into ebor city, but we're here for the rules, so what I'd like to see.

C

Is I'd like to see a continuance I'd like to see us change the rules? Because if we don't change.

C

The rules and we approve this height variance and I'm only talking about the height variance.

C

Because I've been here long enough to know all about the loading docks and and how they don't.

C

It doesn't make any sense. The loading docks uh maneuvering in the street. Fine, no problem, I'm.

C

All for that variance, but I'm not for the height variance, because we are going to be inundated.

C

With everybody who wants one more floor to make it a little more economically possible to do this.

C

And what are you going to say to them? What are you going to say uh and how far from a.

C

Building, do you have to be to use its height as your excuse for adding one more floor.

C

Doesn't make any sense somehow- and I address this- to staff.

C

It's we need to. We need to change the rules, because we cannot do this.

C

Well, I can't in good conscience it's it's. You know how many of these we're going to have. It's really.

C

Taking it's really taking off and we just can't can't support that. The other two no problem got.

C

It been doing it for a long time and it it more reflects what happens in ebor city, but the height.

C

Thing is almost sankra sacrosanct I'd rather change the rules and then vote on this project.

C

And that's where I am, I don't know if anybody agrees with me, I just I understand your concern.

B

And that's the wonderful thing about variances within the historic district is their case by.

B

Case property by property, the applicant presents specific hardship. I think when you look at this.

B

Request for additional variants, uh different additional heights along this specific property.

B

Where there is a historic building that it appears that they're really not they're just maximizing.

B

Their existing development potential of the site at the same time they're, preserving very.

B

Faithfully the existing historic structure and then you have to look at the surrounding. How does.

B

It affect the other historic properties that are adjacent and, in this case, there's a railroad track.

B

So I think they've made a good case of presenting y on this particular property.

B

There is a reason for us to consider a height variance. I I respect that, but I don't agree with.

C

It yeah no, not at all no there's rules, we have to follow the rules or else change the damn rules and.

C

And I'd be all for that I'd vote for that in five minutes, but uh I don't know this is this: is a mess.

B

Well, the transfer of air rights from properties from historic buildings to adjacent properties.

B

Is a strategy used for historic preservation in every every city in the united states that.

A

Has preservation right uh ordinance? Well, I think that I think that the the notion that the height.

A

Restriction is one thing, but if we were to just um say that the the height could be whatever it is,.

A

They still run up against the far so they're bumping. They have a limitation.

A

That they're not exceeding there, that is, that, is part of the request. Are there any.

A

Other discussions or conversation about that no jose encapsulated my thoughts as well.

A

Well, I think we need to. We need to have a some kind of motion for do. We want to take all three.

A

And put them together, we do. We want to take the transportation, bundle that and then come back to.

A

The height one, so that we can more specifically address it, we need that we need some kind of.

A

Motion, that's what I'd like to see um kamari a pedestal from the city attorney's office. So you.

D

Certainly, since there are three variants of requests you can, you know, do a motion.

D

And you are either denying or granting the variance request. Okay, but I I'm of the opinion.

A

That we should bundle the transportation ones together. The loading dock and the right-of-way.

A

Because they go hand-in-hand and everybody has the same sense of sense of what it, what those things.

A

Mean to the the fabric of ebor and having to deal with it. So let's get a motion for that and move.

A

Into the tougher one, I'll make a move for approval without conditions for the variance request at blc.

B

1804 1806 and 1808 east fourth avenue you know. Oh I'm sorry am I in the wrong yeah. It's dlc.

B

Okay, my apologies. Let me start over, then someone almost got a freebie.

D

It's the second item on the agenda. Yes, okay,.

B

Okay, move with the variance request for blc for the property located at 1705 north 16th street.

B

And 1704 north 17th street be granted as depicted on the site plan presented at the public hearing.

B

To reduce the dimensions of the required loading space from.

B

12 by 60 for tractor trailers to 12 by 30 for local delivery.

B

And to allow maneuvering in the right of way for the loading spaces. Because, based on the.

B

Petitioners meeting of the burden of truth regard to the six hardship criteria set forth in chapter.

B

27 section 27-96 of the city of tampa code, the ordinance for granting variance, as stated.

B

And the evidence provided in this public hearing, specifically that this proposed new construction.

B

Has unique challenges to meet the loading requirements within the his.

B

The street pattern of the historic district: we have a motion. Second, we have a second.

A

Do we have any um any conversation on that or I don't think there's any attachments to that.

A

Those are the this is the transportation three um all in favor, aye aye aye any opposed. Okay,.

A

Now we need a motion or further discussion on the variance.

A

For the height increase from 45 to 54, in this particular case,.

A

Commissioner, schiller has expressed the desire to change the rules.

A

And and to address the problem in the future as well as this one, I'm of the opinion that I think.

A

That the the height request, coupled with the the far and then with the historic preservation, notion.

A

Is sufficient for this board to make a judgment on the hardship? That's my opinion.

A

If there's further conversation, uh we can have it, but um we can also have a motion.

A

That would allow us to discuss it and vote on it. I just like to hear a little bit more.

C

Because I think people are rolling over on rules we're here to do a job.

C

It's uh yeah: it's a clever way to go about that. I guess if it's legal, but it doesn't address.

C

Why I'm on this board, there are rules supposed to be the rules.

C

No hardship here, none there's, no hardship. Every hardship has been self.

C

There's a desire, I get it I'm in business too. I get it, but I really get it no.

C

Can't do it, I can't believe you're going to do it.

H

So I just want to make sure I understand what you're saying um so you are saying that the rules.

H

That there are rules there that say: here's what the criteria is and they're requesting.

H

That we give variance on the rule, but you're saying there's really nothing, no hardship.

H

About them changing about them going against the rule is, am I understanding you correctly.

C

Yes, absolutely and, and so you're, not necessarily, I don't believe disputing the rule. You're just.

H

Saying the rule exists right now and there's nothing wrong with the rule. Well, that's irrelevant.

H

um Okay, I think I understand what you're trying to say.

C

Boy, it's all that you should think you understand what I say.

C

When I have absolutely no understanding of what we're doing here,.

D

From the city attorney's office, the goal is: if the commissioners believe the appleton has.

D

Met the hardship criteria, then you make your motion based on that. If you don't believe that.

D

The applicant has met the hardship criteria. Then you make a motion to reflect that as well. Yeah.

H

Because when I look at it based on the criteria, the hardship criteria that we have laid out here.

H

They've met that yeah and- and I am not disagreeing with you in regards to what the rules are.

H

I think it's a sad thing that transportation is going to come and you know.

H

Go against everything based on simple code and it's like okay, should we look at that.

H

So it's kind of the same thing: yes, there's some old stuff out there that we're having to abide by.

H

Right wrong or indifferent, but if we, if we look at what the criteria is today, in my humble opinion, I.

H

Believe this particular applicant has met that criteria. If I look at the criteria today, do I.

H

Agree that we should go back and look at the rules or the codes or whatever they are. You.

H

Bet, but in what they presented today in regards to the hardship, I think they've met the criteria.

H

Can you can maybe you can? Maybe you can do a better job of telling me what that hardship is.

H

Well, the rule from what I, from what liz welch understands. God knows from what I the way I see.

H

It is, the rule, is x and they're requesting that they go to y and they explained why they want to.

H

Go to y and what the benefit of going to y brings and in that that's the hardship that they're. That.

H

They're trying to navigate through, I don't know if I'm explaining your case very well.

C

No there's no hardship, you just said: that's the hardship, that's no hardship. It's a desire to do.

C

Something and it's finding a way to do it, no hardship, and so they found the way to do it.

H

But what they need is the variance to be able to do it. They found a way to accomplish their goal.

H

And accomplish the comprehensive 20 40 plan, you know, matt meet that they found a way.

H

To work through a lot of these things to help growth and development in nebor, but what they.

H

Have to do is they have to now get approval to go higher than what the current rule says.

H

And I feel like I'm talking to a bunch of heads, we need to sit in a semi-circle or.

A

Something I like, I, I like how the two of you are about as far apart physically.

C

I don't know this. This is a precedent that is is going to bother us for a long time. Okay, I disagree.

B

I didn't care the height restrictions in any zoning classification are based on comprehensive.

B

Plans within a historic district, you know we're even extra sensitive to variances, but it's based.

B

On protecting the fabric of the historic district, which means especially under our purview, are the.

B

Historic contributing structures there is it's not like this is going to be the tallest building in.

B

Ebork they're certainly taller even caddy corner adjacent to this project. Our goal as a board.

B

Is to make sure that any new development fits and complements uh the contributing structures.

B

And I think this project does that and they have a right within their building envelope.

B

uh You know for the far they're looking for so we're, basically just shuffling it around.

B

That's there's: we've done it before we'll do it again, but you know, thankfully, it's based on every.

B

Individual consideration for a specific project which allows us to take in unique criteria every.

B

Time we make these type of decisions, and I you know I'm getting concerned by by your.

B

Discussions here, because you're you're presenting it as such, like we've, never done this before.

B

Every height variance we've looked at has fit under this criteria. The scope of what's presented.

B

And what our mission is as a commission is, I guess I'm through talking.

A

Well, I I think that um we have a variety of opinions.

A

So I think that uh we should we should test some of these opinions with emotion, and I will say that.

A

In my calculus, the preservation of a historic structure, the relationship to a an existing.

A

Allowable height and the expansion of that area, within reason and under the far.

A

Is all uh within our purview as a as a commission to consider and that's why we're here so with that.

A

I'll put it to the commissioners for a motion I'll put photo for the put forth emotion, so I'll.

I

Put a for an approval without conditions for to move the variance request for a case boc 20-167.

I

For the property located at 1705, north 16th street and 1704 north 17th street be granted as depicted.

I

In the presentation that was presented before us at the public hearing.

I

For a height increase from 45 feet to 54 feet based upon the petitioner meeting, the burden of.

I

Proof with regard to the six hardship criteria set forth in chapter 27, section 27-96-d of the.

I

City of tampa code of ordinances for granting variances, as stated and evidence provided as.

I

In this public hearing, specifically that for the preservation of the historic building on site and.

I

To be able to meet um the possible far development that they are allowed um that to be granted, this.

I

um Approval we have a motion. Do we have a second? Second? Second, two seconds um we have a motion.

A

We have a second, we don't have any conditions attached, that's a clean motion. So all in favor.

A

All opposed no, I should care okay, we've made it through um the first half of the presentation.

A

We have the opportunity to go into a certificate of appropriateness and I would say.

A

Everybody ready.

A

Let's roll thank you, commissioners.

J

Okay, is that right? Okay, uh forgive me if some of this is redundant, uh we'll.

J

Try to get through this I've got 50 some odd pages, but we also have.

J

Brought materials we're looking today for approval for a certificate of appropriateness.

J

um And what I can do is just sort of go through the presentation and then, if you guys would like.

J

To talk about the materials and the material boards we can, we can discuss that as as well.

J

So when we were uh designing the project, obviously with the with the train tracks to the south, the.

J

The 17th street and the 16th street elevations became uh very important for activation for us.

J

This is the existing train station, which you all know, let's just try to get through. Some of this.

J

This is the existing site existing train station. This is the parking lot.

J

There's a cxs csx right away here, which we are not touching.

J

um Obviously, you all know the historical context for us when we, when we purchased the building in.

J

uh 1998, it has served uh to be our architectural practice for 22 years, which is frightening to me.

J

That it's been that long, but obviously we're cuban immigrants. So um the the project itself has a.

J

A really soft spot for us uh and we're really excited what's really interesting. Is this.

J

Commission gave us a similar project approval in 2004, and it just wasn't the right time to do it so.

J

We feel like this is: I also want to commend staff and a lot of the things that you're going to see.

J

Today was through long discussions with with ron and dennis as far as just appropriateness. um You.

J

Know this is jose marti. We all know who that man is. uh We've got some conceptual precedents. If you.

J

uh This is, you know, directly out of the the barrio latino or the the ebor city design guidelines.

J

As as ron had mentioned, we have the because of the train tracks and.

J

And the the train station and the tracks going right by the building. um It was the.

J

Scene really, as an industrial building with with metal windows that still sort of open and close.

J

And steel windows- and we want to try to make sure that we we still keep that we've kind of developed.

J

A system with uh modulo a great subcontractor of of doing these, these great uh period, steel windows,.

J

If you guys um know um okay, this is, and this is haya by the way- and these are the other.

J

This is just really precedents in the district that we feel are relevant to our project. Also.

J

Just balconies awnings tie backs transoms here infamous loading docks. Unfortunately,.

J

uh We're playing with the this idea: this is a from the scientology building and and some of these.

J

Other of creating these, these balcony screens in terra cotta that we'll talk about in a minute.

J

This is sort of his uh precedent. This is a project my father did in 1962. It's the guyton house.

J

On davis, island and I've always sort of wanted to do that. We've got this in the courtyard.

J

That sort of screens the alley and also on the the balconies themselves. This is.

J

Some precedent, images of what we see you know the inner courtyard with a swimming pool.

J

Bringing in some strong color into the project internally.

J

And this is sort of the proposition, so, as you can see the way the massing uh plays out, this is the.

J

The datum line that sort of continues back this upper piece gets sort of pushed back, uh especially.

J

It gets pushed back, 20 26 feet off of 17th street, but also, I think, what's really important. Is this.

J

Break that that we have here, which is in between sort of the new building and the train station.

J

You can see sort of that notch here.

J

Again, this is, we see, this is as kind of a gateway.

J

From the parking garage into ebore, you can see, you know it framing.

J

The the wonderful central ibor sign- hopefully it will have a positive impact on that project.

J

But also this is really clearly sort of dictates that this is a. This is an office building up top.

J

And you know just trying to sort of be consistent with this live work idea where we're activating.

J

You know the street below with sort of non-office uses and pushing all the office upstairs in.

J

In sort of this building, you can also see this sort of push back here as well. The three feet push.

J

Back that sort of talks about the two different uses here um just quickly on the floor plan, this.

J

Is the the restaurant use with the kitchen? This is a tenant that- and this is probably a gymnasium.

J

We're talking to a couple of different tenants right now. This is the entrance to our office, a.

J

Little office lobby that sort of goes upstairs. uh This is the the downstairs with some micro units.

J

You know on the ground the loading dock. This is a nice residential lobby again trying to.

J

Do the best we can to sort of activate 17th street as well? um There's any questions we.

J

Can talk about that and then, as you sort of move up vertically, you can see this is our singular.

J

Plate for our office and then this is sort of the half doughnut that wraps around the courtyard.

J

And then we have the sort of third floor upper floor for our office as well.

J

Mechanical space here and then you know the upper upper floor of the units.

J

So you can see here this this break here, which is going to be the entrance to the restaurant.

J

Beyond we're, looking at this, as possibly a uh if you, if you guys, know la doure, which is a sort of.

J

A little french cafe something something like that, and then this would be a retail. You know.

J

To be determined uh here- and this is the entrance to our office.

J

Again, as I mentioned in the previous presentation, this kind of idea of you know changing the.

J

Materiality to really help reinforce, uh you know a lot of great districts. We've seen this not.

J

Only in you know in america, but in europe as well, where you know you have kind of this great datum.

J

Line that that defines it and then sort of as it moves up this sort of habitation of the roof space.

J

And then coming back onto 17th street you've got you know the the the canopy here with the.

J

Tie backs this: is these I'm sure we're going to have some discussion on on these little terracotta.

J

Blocks that are the the balcony pieces. This is the the loading dock piece here and then.

J

The transformer excuse me loading dock here transformer did I get that right? Ken yeah.

J

This is an aerial view that talks about this is the elevation looking from the alley. It doesn't.

J

Have the the the breeze block on it, but this is sort of uh you know that alley I mean I I think.

J

Also, at some point, I would just plug that I I would love to have a workshop and participate in.

J

The alleys- I noticed that you guys uh it's always a big controversy to vacate alleys, but I do.

J

See our alleys are being used for things that are not supposed to be used for, and I thought.

J

That's a that's a future, hopefully workshop that we can. We can have and talks about our alleys.

J

But this is really sort of a close-up view of of sort of downstairs where you can see like the new.

J

Sort of transom up here, new entry into our office, we're using the same system. I.

J

Don't know if you guys have seen the office buildings that we have done at the heights.

J

As you kind of turn around, where you have sort of this breeze select grid, that sort of floats.

J

In steel against the glass we're looking at the same sort of detail here,.

J

Again, looking at basically plaster- and you know again- we have material boards here that we can.

J

Talk about, but I think the palette itself, I mean the the only probably the the two materials that.

J

I think we we could have a really good discussion on is that we were proposing core 10 steel at the.

J

Base of our office building against the train tracks as sort of a kind of a response to that.

J

Here, which would be here and then the the you know the sort of terra cotta blocks. I mean um you.

J

Know, obviously, the fallback would be to go with just a steel wrought iron rail on the balconies.

J

Of the units we're sort of bringing something in to kind of warm up the pallet a little bit.

J

And I would love to hear from you guys about that. This is a. This is a really great details.

J

Like if you get a chance to go over and look at the the windows at haya, they're custom made.

J

They they fit all the florida. You know uh requirements of the codes and the wind.

J

Loads and whatnot, but I hope that you know this would encourage other applicants to come in and.

J

Actually do steel windows, as opposed to the big aluminum section windows that you tend to see.

J

Again, these are some sections and if you guys want to talk about the sections we can talk about.

J

Those as well there's a big cornice piece that we have here, which we have brought a piece. This is.

J

The actual cornice that you guys approved at the hearing for hayah, which is sort of.

J

An interpretive cornice that would uh more sort of industrial and we think, sort of fits this building.

J

Type and again, this is the if you guys have not had a chance to go over and see these. uh These.

J

uh Office buildings at the heights: this is the the grid that we're talking about.

J

In that large sort of two-story piece, it's quite expensive, but it's nice.

J

And then this is just the the weather core 10 that is at the base uh or the train yeah right here and.

J

These are the the um the terracotta pieces, the of the breeze block that that we're proposing here.

J

This would be sort of a black zinc like material a top um and then bring that down and sort of.

J

Wrapping underneath this is this kind of residential lobby piece here, we've started.

J

The process ron of our right-of-way signage, which I know that that can be a lengthy process.

J

Again, some of these are redundant from the last presentation, but.

J

We're actually also proposing to do some light blue venetian plaster.

J

On the ceilings of the balconies, they don't really show up very well.

J

In the um so as you sort of look up that would have sort of this light, blue color.

J

That we pulled off of the marti park there's these two panels that are next to the marti.

J

That are that have this kind of robin's egg, blue color and we've got that on the board. Here.

J

um Again, uh sort of big steel custom doors uh really nice hardware: all the hardware is.

J

Sort of custom made by modulo in collaboration with alfonso architects,.

J

J

There'll be some screening of the mechanical equipment that is on the.

J

The new office building side.

J

If you want to discuss signage typically, I I know that the signage was sort of pushed. I would love.

J

To hear the current board's philosophy on blade signs, I know that that I've sort of.

J

Seen that debate go back and forth the on las novodadas, there's that big blade sign but then.

J

You know on new construction. I I believe at one of the last hearings, we're not sure.

J

Whether we want to do blade science, so I would love to hear how the board feels about that.

J

This this piece here.

J

Again, this is sort of looking into the courtyard. This is where it.

J

Brings an element of color into the courtyard: it's not really visible from any real facade.

J

And I have some.

J

Appendix which uh you guys, I'm not sure if, if you have this presentation, but um we've picked light.

J

Fixtures, uh you know: we've we've sort of taken this thing way into dd um in the hopes that.

J

You know certainly coming off of some of the new construction uh lessons that we learned at hayah.

J

We wanted to get as much information in front of you guys as possible. Today and again, this is.

J

This is these wonderful details of these custom steel doors that we're proposing in the project.

J

Brass, it's uh it's! It's certainly, I believe it's covid resistance. The brass.

J

It's what they told us anyway,.

J

So with that, um it's a long presentation and I appreciate your patience. um Certainly I.

J

Would love to hear the pleasure of the board of what you would want to hear.

A

Thank you good morning, commissioners ron, villa staff with historic preservation.

E

Satisfying this application is consistent with the ybor city design, guidelines.

E

The plans that we reviewed were submitted to us on november 24th.

E

So the conditions that are associated with the staff report on page four and five, a lot of the.

E

Issues were discussed this this morning, but I believe additional discussion needs to take.

E

Place if they're going to go forward with a final this morning, starting with the conditions on page.

E

Four, the location of the mechanicals and the screening he did provide additional information.

E

On the screening, but if you could dive into that a little bit more of the signage future signage.

E

That includes the encroachment signage there's a process. For that I would start the process.

E

Immediately the south side of the property line, there is the railroad tracks there.

E

And if he could elaborate on any fencing or security plans on that south side.

E

If there's any rehabilitation to the contributing structure at this time, that.

E

They're aware of he could put that on the record to have additional information or discussion on.

E

The aluminum curtain wall system, it's a unique feature, that's incorporated into the district. I.

E

Think it complements the area and the industrial sector, but if he could dive into that a little.

E

Bit more as well and then to provide a complete material wall section from the top to the bottom.

E

Go through it in a systematic manner to discuss the overhangs, the the exterior wall, materials.

E

The finishes uh the final color palette as we go on to page five of the staff report, the overhead.

E

Doors that are on 17th street and show the sensitivity as the pedestrian engages with those.

E

And any additional trim. That concludes the staff report and I'll be here to answer any questions.

E

Thank you. Thanks ron, we have the opportunity for public comment for the certificate of.

A

Appropriateness portion of this application, um if there's anybody who is here to speak.

A

On that portion of the project now's your time, okay, seeing none, we can move.

A

To commissioners asking questions of the applicant, I have none. Thank you.

B

A couple questions one is regarding the storefront, and particularly the glass you're, going to be.

B

Using you brought up a former project, you did the haya hotel as as sensitive and appropriate as it.

B

Is I've noticed by walking by especially obviously, during the day, the reflectivity of the glass.

B

Makes it really difficult to kind of enjoy that that interaction between the streetscape and.

B

Interior public spaces- I'm just wondering, um is there's probably a really good reason for.

B

That it's probably needing some kind of code for energies but is, are you proposing the same type.

B

Of glass on this project on the commercial lobby and whatever faces the street on the other side,.

J

That is, that is something that I I mean you manage to hit the nerve right, because it is, it is a.

J

Little bit too reflective and unfortunately that's the code. um I would probably in this instance.

J

Try to see if we can crank up. You know our hvac to be able to counteract so we can get some more.

J

Transparency because obviously the magic is the transparency on the street and you want to be.

J

Able to look in and see activity. So that's a very, very good point um and you know our staff could.

J

Could take that down and uh we have the fabricator over here. But uh excuse me, sir you're, not on the.

D

Record yeah speaking out in the audience: okay, okay and then the other question is regarding the.

B

The residential or the micro apartments- I know, you're not required to provide any kind of.

B

uh Onsite parking, obviously in this within this block, but.

B

uh I did see a storage locker for tenants, I'm just curious uh with the goal of providing all ease of.

B

Access to alternative means of transportation, have you considered providing any on-site uh lockers.

B

For bicycles or motorcycles or uh things that might, uh I think that would be especially with the.

J

The tenants that would be renting this, I certainly think that um that would be a very strong.

J

Amenity to add to the project, and I I absolutely think that we can make that work jose into the.

J

Project, it's a very good point, so I I don't know how I mean some of these requests. I can.

J

Put in the record and we'll and and then we could work with staff and make sure that they they stay.

J

In the project, because, I think both of those are two very good ideas, those are the only questions.

I

Let's see, what did oh, could you go over, um maybe go over a section and can we.

I

Go through like maybe from floor to roof about the materiality sure the project. uh Let me see.

J

We have multiple sections in the project. uh Do you want to you want to pick one? You want to see.

J

um Maybe just a typical one through the office and a typical one through the residential, because.

I

I know the corten steel doesn't go all the way through the residential floor right right.

J

Can I get one of my architects to come up to the podium? Is that okay kim I'm up here.

J

This is kim connell. She could, I don't think she'll be speaking, but if she needs to swear in.

C

That one right.

J

So obviously, what we have tried to do is mimic. um So if you look at the train station can.

J

You find like a train I'll, tell you where, where we started, okay, where we started was.

J

With the historical building, maybe just a photograph of that.

J

Right, and so this this is where we sort of took our cues right, which is that dimension. The the.

J

The push back cornice at the top um this this sort of inset panel, um and so so you see pretty.

J

Much a very, very similar section here here, so you you have sort of the cornice. I know that the.

J

Scale is a bit tough, there's a bump in for the panel here, a bump back out for the panel here.

J

A bump back in uh and then you know you have sort of the punched windows here.

J

uh The steel windows, so so this is a kind of a typical section um on 16th street right.

J

And with a push in here, some of the some of the doors it was. uh You know this, this business about.

J

Doors sort of opening into the right-of-way, and so what we have tried to do is sort of recess.

J

Those along 16th and 17th street, so you don't have sort of doors opening into the right-of-way.

J

And this is the big one right, the big space so.

J

So currently what happens is this is again the same sort of of detail here and then.

J

The sort of punch in and then this is what I would call an interpretive breeze soleil that.

J

These these sort of pieces float on the glass and they create a really interesting sort of effect.

J

And, in our opinion, they're, you know what we didn't want to do is sort of these sort of fake windows.

J

That you see where you've got the the muttons sort of glued to the window on the inside and out.

J

um It's a little more expensive to do, but we feel that, like it, really carries this idea of steel.

J

And industrial, as far as like these sort of big windows, so so this is, I know this is.

J

Sort of a cut section, but this is that large two-story piece for the office building here.

J

Which one's the metal panel.

J

Yeah, so this is the core 10 section here, so you can see it comes down from the top and.

J

Then recesses in what we try to do is wherever there is a change of material.

J

There's a change in plane, even if it's subtle and so obviously the the core 10 is a big change of.

J

Material, so we would go from plaster in 16 inches and then the you know, and then these.

J

Are the slot windows that are going to be, hopefully for the gymnasium that look out.

J

Okay, so yeah, this is the the res like a typical residential unit. This is on 17th street yep.

J

um So you know this: would this: is this kind of uh breeze block rail that you have here and then this.

J

Pushes down, obviously with the tie backs for the canopy, and then this is this sort of steel, gridded.

J

Storefront piece that is on the residential lobby on 17th street.

J

Yeah- and so this is this is where I was I was. I was saying that we could possibly.

J

If desired maybe add a a light blue soffit color to the to the balconies, um but you know we could.

J

Also talk about this idea of kind of the warmth of of this terra, cotta color um and certainly.

J

It it it's something I think worth just discussing whether we feel that this is appropriate. I think.

J

I think it is, but you know certainly I would love to hear uh the commissioner's opinions.

J

On that, because it's not really in any uh of the guideline books right, what's exactly the.

I

Steel grid system on the floor residential on 17th street. Is there a detail of that.

J

Talk about the ground floor, didn't we just look at that.

J

So here's these are the sections of them, which is a steel plate with a reveal and another steel.

J

Plate and then these are the sort of you know: steel windows, oh okay, but um when the core tens.

I

Changes it looked black in the rendering, so I was just wondering if it's kind of that.

I

There is a black metal panel uh yeah. Let's he's talking about that right over there.

J

You know that blow up this one.

J

This is a quite analog way to.

J

To give a presentation, and reminds me of college.

J

There's that blow up.

J

There we go okay.

J

Okay, so here this is, uh this is sort of a blow up of. I believe this is what you're you're.

J

Referencing is this: what you were referencing um sure is that sort of the condition that changes.

I

When it goes um as we go east across along the train tracks, because I believe the core tens.

I

Sort of ends right so so it comes along the train tracks and then returns in sort of four feet or.

J

So and then there's this this recess, stoop that has a metal panel and then our door. This is the.

J

Entry into the architecture office- okay, I know that south elevation on the first floor when that.

I

um Does the cortana, oh, oh, I see, train tracks or I see he's talking about. Are you talking about this.

J

Notch right here, right, yes, and what happens on the first floor, residential um building on that side,.

J

J

So what happens? Is this sort of black zinc-like material comes down and sort of wraps in here.

J

And sort of pushes in three feet sort of creates this kind of undercarriage and it.

J

Has that material change there and then these are residential units got it. Thank you and then last.

I

Question is: um is there any rehab that's happening with the existing train building? Yes, we are.

J

Currently, the steel buildings are um obviously they leak and they so we're gonna get.

J

A great steel person that we know to go in and retrofit all the steel windows and really bring.

J

Them back, they're really pretty interesting. They pivot on the center with a chain, and you don't see.

J

A lot of those anymore anymore, so we really want to try to bring that back. I mean the building's in.

J

Pretty good shape um so other than that. There's really not that much to do on the interior.

J

Obviously we're going to really celebrate the interior space and really do something nice there.

J

There is one thing we are going to change right now: there's an aluminum door.

J

Going into my office or at the steel door, so we're going to make that a glass door.

J

So you can actually see into this bakery space great. Thank you. Thanks. Can you elaborate a little.

G

Bit on the courtyard area, like the pool and the divider space between the alleyway sure.

J

So um currently, what happens is what's that oh yeah, they can't see it. I.

J

Can what happens is that this wall goes up to this level here, which is approximately.

J

36 feet right and then there is a breeze block that sort of sits.

J

On top of that, so that when you're sort of in the courtyard- and you kind of look up.

J

You know, obviously, the the big thing here is just the sound issues that we have and so.

J

We're just trying to really take care of that for the residents. This is a big amenity public.

J

Space for them and that's the other discussion. Hopefully we can, when you're, changing the rules.

J

We can have a workshop about the about. I mean the alleys themselves. That's a rough alley right. There.

B

Thank you. I can ask a question about this, since you have the drawing.

B

Yeah are the windows facing this courtyard? I imagine they're operable in some fashion, although.

B

Given the scale they seem like, they are operable, wouldn't they need some kind of railing as well.

J

Currently, they are not balconies, but they they're. What are they on the top they're they're operable.

J

So obviously, if they're operable, they would need probably a rail unless you change the.

B

Configuration yeah, but at some point what happened jose is. It was a hotel before pre-covered, okay and.

J

Now we've we've turned it into residential, and so we haven't really worked the uh I I think, there's.

J

Probably needs to be maybe a horizontal break. You know, maybe that maybe the the bottom panel.

J

Is a solid panel and then you can open the top something like that, and I certainly think that.

J

We're going to have a lot of sound attenuation on these windows, not only from the train side.

J

But also from the alley side and a lot of the entertainment, our favorite prana bar, for example,.

C

Thank you. No all my questions have been answered by others.

H

Asked and answered. Thank you liz. I have a question. Could I ask you about the.

C

The requirements for parking.

C

uh We haven't talked much about parking. There is no requirements currently by zoning on this site.

J

There is a parking garage that varies between depends on the time that you ask. They have 75 to.

J

200 spaces available in that garage, the developer is also looking to purchase some adjacent parcels.

J

For for off street parking understood, can I ask mr marsh down there about parking, considering that.

C

We're going to do a restaurant and retail and residential and no parking. Is it yc1? Yes, yeah.

K

Under yc1 there is zero parking requirement, gotcha. Okay. So the answer that thank you.

A

Okay questions: um let's um talk about the roof or the rooftop component. If you have a.

A

An elevation or an axo of those I'd like to ask a couple questions there does that.

J

Work john that'll work, great okay, um so is, is the rooftop on that portion? Can you go out on the roof.

J

Currently, no, but it is in discussion with the developer, but currently no and if you are able to.

A

Go on the roof, um how do you plan to address the facade, so we would probably come back to you if.

J

That request was desired for, for uh you know, for this applicant and it my memory serves me when we.

J

When we got the balcony approved on haya, there was a glass rail that was sort of pushed back.

J

Three feet so that it didn't really play a role. I guess when you, when you were looking.

J

Up that was the idea, okay, and if you can go to the other angle on that same type of axo,.

J

Maybe not sure if this does it does that that'll work for the starters there.

J

We have a bigger one if you want me to grab that sure.

A

That one will work just fine, yeah, so question on this one. um We we had the conversation.

A

About the the rooftop variants and the occupying the you know how the the roof.

A

Becomes an occupiable space here or habitable, as you said, I think it would be important to.

A

Kind of continue that distinction in and around the the building, uh where you see that the the.

A

Zinc kind of ends there on the on, as you turn the corner. Oh that's interesting! You mean here.

A

uh No actually, oh um because this is this- is micro apartment side, where, where the micro apartments.

J

Oh here yeah, so I think that I think that there's a there's, an exercise where that that push.

A

That you're doing there on the on the ground floor and then bringing it up to the rooftop.

A

Can turn around the corner and then um inform how the the the courtyard works? It basically is a way.

A

Of expressing um this the roof concept and the notion that it's something I'm with you on that.

J

So if, if you look at this, what it's actually a really good crit is that you bring that that.

J

Metal would come here, yes and that metal would come here. Yes, and it also would return back.

A

Yes and then you'd have the opportunity for that top floor of the courtyard to maybe change the.

A

Articulation that would be quite nice so that so that, when we're talking about you know taking a.

A

Rooftop component and expanding it a little bit, we still are expressing it as a rooftop component.

A

I think that that would be important. I think that's a big improvement.

A

With the with the notch and in the pushing- and you can see it here in this particular elem or.

A

The the axonometric as well the little push yes does that just hit the wall and get coked into.

A

Those articulations that you're referencing yeah, so the idea here, if you look at this.

J

Right, I think the idea was just the desire that these two things sort of lived where you.

J

Knew what was the original? What was the new? So the question is, you know: does this return back.

J

This lower piece- and I think that could be a really interesting play because you're probably.

J

Going to see that when you're walking from the north- and I think that would be an also a good.

J

Material push back yeah and then when it when, when that piece hits your your office.

A

As it is, it's pushed back far enough to where it is engaging in the in the in insets.

J

uh On the on the other side, are you talking about on your on the south or north, the southwest corner.

A

Of your office, yes, there's that thing pushes back up three feet or so, and you can probably.

J

See it in that elevation of that better that one should just pass yeah this one.

J

Just doesn't, it doesn't quite show it, but we do have it pull it to where you can see your office.

A

Okay, so you can see where it has the blade sign, yep the blade sign, and then you have the the.

A

Corner turns, and you have a recess there and then you've got that that black member or that.

A

Black panel slicing into that effectively is that just coped around that existing.

A

Infill currently it is okay, yeah, okay and then the the rehabilitation that you're proposing on.

A

The windows for your existing building is that is that part of the certificate of appropriateness.

A

Yes, you're presenting today, yes, okay, do we have sufficient information on the record to.

A

As well for, for example, the I'm sorry john, I interrupted you the the these. um What happens.

J

Is uh is people just walk by and they punch those windows for some reason they just feel the need to.

J

Do that so we have a bunch of new and old panels there, and so we would really just like to bring.

J

Them back to exactly what what they were okay, yeah and is that is that noted in the drawings or.

A

I'm trying to give ron something to work with here when he gets down there.

J

We can add that ron to a motion if you would like- and certainly it's in I mean my office- is.

J

Right here- and it's really loud and I can hear everything so uh so it needs to you.

A

Can say it and ron can go back to this tape. Okay, do you want to? Yes, we will be.

J

Rehabilitating these windows ron, it could be put down as a condition.

J

Yes, as a condition, thank you, okay. uh Those are the questions that I have. Thank you. I.

A

Have one more question as if we're going to be discussing the terra cotta you're, proposing.

B

When I looked at the cross section, it appears to be rather thin. um Our most, you know when we.

B

Think of breeze blocks, we usually think of eight inches. These are four inch. Four inch, four inch.

B

Thank you, okay. um I think we've had a chance to to talk through the project with you.

A

You have five minutes for rebuttal before we close the public hearing.

J

um I I do want to say that I really appreciate the discussion, the previous discussion. um I think that.

J

This is why there is a board that you have rules and that that's why you all exist so that you can.

J

Take each case on a case-by-case basis. um I I will say that you know this is the culmination.

J

For us of uh of you know being an ebor for a long time, hoping that ebor would turn the corner.

J

This is a 40 million investment that is being made here and I I do believe that these projects.

J

Richard gonsmart's new, you know, casa, santos, stefano, uh you know what is it the copper shaker.

J

I mean these are all really upscale projects, and I I do believe that residential is, is the next wave.

J

Then we, if you look at what's the wonderful things that are happening on water street and and in.

J

Channel side, you know they lead with residential and uh because of our densities and because of.

J

We're in a historical historical district, we have to be sensitive to that. So I think that you know.

J

This project to have this many residential units off right off of 7th avenue again from.

J

A development standpoint and the health of the district, I think, is a very, very important project.

A

Thank you. Thank you, so we'll close the public hearing and allow the commissioners to discuss the.

A

Case so, thank you. I feel the project meets uh the criteria for new construction within the district.

B

And uh specifically, some of the questions that were asked at the applicant, the blade.

B

Signs seemed appropriate, given the scale of the building and the the public uses of the building.

B

And in terms of the terra cotta, you know when I look at detailing within the historic district.

B

I look for quality and craftsmanship and in terms of terracotta, what's being proposed, really seems.

B

To fit those criteria in an interesting manner that kind of brings in a contemporary aesthetic.

B

To what's traditionally, this sort of industrial aesthetic, but there are uses of terra cotta.

B

With the more mediterranean revival buildings within districts, so it's not completely foreign.

I

Yeah, I think the blade signs are appropriate as well, and it kind of harks to industrial nature.

I

And the terracotta itself too, I think it's just in terms of the intricate patterns can um sort of.

I

Reflect back on sort of like the iron work and that kind of stuff, as well, while introducing a.

I

Warmer palette, as you were saying earlier, um and I think it'll be a great project for you. Thank you.

M

Yeah, I don't have anything to add. I think it looks great. Thank you alex.

H

I don't know anything to add. Thank you liz. uh I am concerned, though, that we don't have quite enough.

B

Information for a final, given that the project appears to have gone through it, a change in.

B

Somewhat in in intent and use so that would be a question. I'd like the board to address before we.

B

Consider either a preliminary or final. Well, I I would. um I wouldn't be opposed to that.

A

I think that if you're, if you're still looking, you would reference the fact that you're still.

A

Trying to figure out if you're going to occupy the roof, um we really don't have a way to condition.

A

That that we would see it again other than to say it's preliminary and we like what we see.

A

And we'll see when you have more closure on some of those things, I would like to see.

A

Some of the discussion about the rooftop and the articulation of that and how we, how we address.

A

That aesthetically, now that we kind of wrangled with it in a variance point of view, how do we.

A

Express that architecturally to where you know, we kind of do our due diligence of the board as.

A

Trying to make sure that it just isn't an increase just for an increase. It.

K

Has something to do with the aesthetic that was proposed as well? I do appreciate the the.

A

Material palette and the attention to the detail, I'd like to make sure that you know when we.

A

If it is preliminary, we see more of that and larger um examples of it. um I think that.

A

We understand the scale and the massing and the intent of the of the project and I think, with.

A

A proper motion we might be able to see components and more specifics again,.

A

In the near future, so.

A

I'll leave it to somebody to make some type of motion. Commissioners ron, villa staff with historic.

E

Preservation, as you move forward, there's outcomes of the public hearing. You could ask for additional.

E

Information and push it to a continuation. You could ask for additional information and provide.

E

A list of outstanding items that you'd like to see as through a preliminary approval or.

E

You could grant a certificate of appropriateness with conditions attached to that and that's for.

E

Final approval, so the point for me to interject here is: if it's going to go preliminary route.

E

Give a list of items that are outstanding, so more information can be simulated at a future public.

E

Hearing and that that public hearing will be condensed just to those items that are addressed.

E

For the preliminary approval, but you know it's the pleasure of the board if the rest of the board.

E

Feels that there's enough information here to move forward for a final with conditions that.

E

Are discussed administratively, we could go that route as well.

D

And additionally, camarilla pedestal from the city attorney's office. If the board is more inclined to.

D

Continue the the certificate of reportedness, most importantly, the applicant has to agree to.

D

Agree to a continuance understood- and you understand I understand- okay um well, so we've.

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Got three three ways we can go. One would just be straight up, continuance come and do it again.

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The opposite of that is approval with conditions that we.

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Delegate staff I'm in the I'm in the middle there. I would like to.

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Suggest that we do some kind of preliminary approval so that the applicant has the confidence.

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That the board isn't going to say no to what he's doing and is more or less in favor of the.

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Scale and massing of what we have and then give him a laundry list of stuff that we want to see.

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To be addressed in the future, with the same kind of intensity that we see in the current.

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Presentation, but to these details that we think will make the project a stronger example and.

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You know something that we carry forward into a final ca in in the near future. That's my.

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Sense, if we can get a motion, we can see if it goes up or down and then have the applicant.

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Agree to it or not and to follow up on that I mean I've just sort of outlined the.

B

The the largest issues that I would like to see more information on in the either.

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Whether they're conditions or not, but we've talked about uh additional information on.

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The articulation of the materials along the roof line of, what's being called the mansard.

B

The details of the roof deck and railing, if it's going to be a.

B

Usable space fenestration within the courtyard.

B

Additional on-site bike or motorcycle storage.

B

The reflectivity of the windows did I miss anything. I know.

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And I think that we can, when we, when we see the rooftop.

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Articulations again, we can get back into if we need to any of.

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The mechanical screen enclosures that may or may not change with that. I think that.

A

The rooftop articulation is both for the exterior and wrapping around all these elevations. That.

A

You'd see from the public as well as the interior courtyard, that would so the material transitions.

B

B

um It's a long list um and they're pretty important elements. Well, that's why I think.

B

That it's yeah, it's something that we should condition to see in the future.

A

Rather than just saying, go have fun: okay,.

B

So it sounds like there might be support for a preliminary approval with with conditions.

B

I think so, but let's uh test that out do we need to ask the applicant or well we've.

A

Closed the public hearing so we'd have to open it back up, but I sense that the applicant might.

A

Go along with it if we can get it as a motion, that's approved, can you just recap quickly what.

H

You've identified as the conditions: okay, the articulation uh of the material transitions for.

B

Specifically, along the top of the building which we're referring to as the mansard.

B

uh The material transitions uh along the corners, as discussed at the public hearing.

B

The material and potential handrailing of the roof deck if it becomes an occupiable space.

B

The window fenestration patterns along the courtyard and railings, if necessary,.

B

Bike: storage, on-site bike, storage, the reflectivity of the windows.

B

And additional material additional information about the screen enclosures along the rooftop.

H

Okay, I think that covers all my notes too now can you say it in the motion sure.

B

Okay, I'll make sure I have the right page here.

D

It's at the very top of the preliminary approval, all right move to granite preliminary pool for the.

B

Drawings and documents presented at this public hearing in blc 1705, north 16th street and 1704.

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North 17th street, with the following conditions, the applicant, come back and present additional.

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Information and details about the articulation of materials that what's being referred to as the top.

B

Mansard roof level provide additional information about how materials transition along the corners.

B

Provide additional information about the roof, deck and potential railings fenestration and window.

B

Patterns along the courtyard elevations provide on-site bike. Motorcycle storage.

B

If possible, additional information about the reflectivity of the windows along the street scape.

D

And you're going to state on the record the date that you're.

D

Announcing is the next hearing, okay and that date will be january. 26Th, okay january 26, 2021.

E

At 9 00 pm that hearing let's get 9 a.m. Excuse me that hearing will be held at old city hall.

E

We're no longer in this room. So what was the date again january january, 26 2021 at 9 a.m,.

K

Okay and that we will meet again at the next scheduled public hearing, which will.

B

Occur on january 26 2021 to be held at city hall in the commission chambers at 9 00 a.m,.

D

And we just need a second second. Okay, we have a, we have a motion. We have a second. The motion has.

A

Conditions the motion is preliminary, the applicant understands the conditions and the preliminary.

A

Nature of this approval- yes, okay, all in favor aye, any opposed, see you in january. Thank you very much.

A

Thank you, commissioners. I really appreciate it. Mr chairman, could we just take a two minute break.

A

We're going to take a fire break. Okay, 5 is good.

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A

Circumstances we have to conclude this morning's agenda. Our last case is vlc 21-12 for the multiple.

E

Addresses are 1804, 1806 and 1808 east 4th avenue. Currently it's a vacant parcel. It's zoned yc7.

E

There is a structure- that's being requested this morning of about 2 000 square feet.

E

Their request for a certificate of appropriateness is for that mixed use, building with some site.

E

Improvements associated with this request this morning, it is a pocket park. If you will, this has.

E

Been vetted through the city of tampa's, historic preservation, developmental review process.

E

And what is being presented is acceptable this morning. So it's a little bit outside of.

E

The realm of what you usually see, but I wanted to put that information on the record for you.

E

Going back to 1929 in the sanborn map, uh property is highlighted in the green, which indicates the.

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Parcel that's being requested with the three addresses attached to on the south side.

E

You have 4th avenue and then, on the west side you have angel oliva avenue, which is.

E

18Th street here there is an alley that runs to the rear of this project that will be utilized.

E

Here is the overhead of the once again: the property.

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In question is in the green box, you do have a contributing structure to the.

E

East side of the project you have 4th avenue. This is on the corner of 4th avenue and angel.

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Oliva senior street, with the alley that runs to the rear of the property. This is looking at.

E

The subject site from 4th avenue looking to the north, you see the granite curbing that frames.

E

The property you have some brick crosswalks that are throughout the district that was.

E

City initiated this is looking at the property from angel oliva back towards the east.

E

Once again, you have the granite, the parkway and then the sidewalks.

E

This is the contributing structure that I spoke of that flanks, the property to the.

E

East directly across the street, which is fourth avenue to the south, you have a.

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Series of row houses and surface parking.

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To show the activity down, fourth avenue: you have these parallel spots,.

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And this is looking to the east and, as you look to the west subject, site is over here and you see the.

E

Additional parking that is available within the district, this is showing the.

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Alley and the condition of the alley as part of a future project what was happening to the east.

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uh There was an agreement with the developer that this alley would be paved to meet transportation.

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Standards, so this alley currently is not improved, but it's in circulation. This.

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Alley will be improved as part of this project moving forward and, to conclude, this is showing.

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The condition of the alley as it exists today at this time the agent will address the board.

N

Good morning, commissioners tyler hudson 400 north ashley drive here on behalf of the applicant.

N

With me here this morning, is brittany barnett a certified ladies planner, with our law firm as well.

N

As margaret cook, the co-founder of practice, which is the project designer and architect,.

N

One very important part of the project team who could not be here this morning.

N

Is daryl shaw? This property is is owned by mr shaw, and this project is largely.

N

His vision, as many of you all know, daryl, is a ardent supporter of respectful development in.

N

Ybor city, most recently with the hotel haya project, another passion of daryl's is, is.

N

Animals, particularly dogs, daryl, is the founder and currently still the ceo of blue pearl veterinarian.

N

National animal care center and I like to think that this project really is designed in service of.

N

Of those two passions margaret is going to talk really about the details about the certificate.

N

Of appropriateness that we're seeking we're we're not seeking or rezoning we're, not seeking.

N

Any variances at all um there is one uh and just to refer quickly to the site plan um on the as you.

N

See it to the left is where the dog park is going to be. um Let's see you guys got it yep. Okay, so you.

N

Can see to the left is the intended dog park to the right? Is the structure that margaret is.

N

Going to go into more detail about that is going to be essentially a residentially inspired cafe.

N

With two dwelling units on the second floor and the green space surrounding that we like to refer.

N

To as the people park, but they they are going to be integrated as a side note, we are pursuing a.

N

Formal decision process- these are currently three lots that we're going to combine them.

N

Into two, so that those two uses are somewhat uh separated by by separate legal lots. The reason.

N

Why I want to talk here at the outset, is briefly about parking, as, as you all know, parking parking.

N

Is real estate and sometimes it's a poor use of real estate? These proposed uses require a total.

N

Of five parking spaces and only two are shown on site really in the north east portion of the site.

N

So we're not getting a variance so we're the other three they're across the street section 27-283.6.

N

Of the code allows developers to utilize off-site parking in service of their on off-street parking.

N

Requirement uh so long as certain criteria are met, one of them is that they're within a thousand.

N

Thousand feet of the location, can you adjust the plan so that we can see the total property? Thank.

A

You sorry about that, so the two parking spaces that we're providing are there in the top right.

N

That's a diagram showing where we're going to be parking, the off site spaces. It's literally.

N

Across the street, in the surface parking lot that is owned by an affiliate of this property owner.

N

We have sent into the city attorney's office, we're working with the city attorney's office on the parking lease that will be required to formally document that.

N

I believe there's a condition that we certainly agree to to perhaps add to the.

N

Appropriateness to ensure that the city attorney's office signs off and we cross our t's and dot our.

N

Our eyes on that, but I wanted to make make the board aware of that and with that I'm going to.

N

Turn things over to margaret cook he's going to talk more about the design features. Thank you.

M

Okay hi, my name is margaret cook, I'm the architect for the project. So tyler explained a little bit.

M

About the project, but I'm going to back up a little bit, we were charged with creating a park.

M

Space, just as parking is real estate park, space is real estate and that's something that ybor.

M

Does not have a lot of, and so in the sense, this amenity of a park space with a little commercial.

M

Retail building is a huge amenity for the neighborhood moving forward, so our project is.

M

On the corner, 18th street and 4th avenue, there's a lot of momentum already happening on the street.

M

With construction happening or have now been completed in this dashed line, so you can see.

M

Some of that down the street, but then this is the corner property with some existing trees in the.

M

Middle which we're accommodating to preserve, so these are some of the projects down the street. If.

M

You've been, if you walk down the street four years ago, it looked nothing like this. I was fortunate to.

M

Be a part of three of the four of these projects and helping build this street up so there's a lot.

M

Of exciting things happening, I was the architect for these two townhouses located two parcels over.

M

Which went through the barrio and was just completed this year so from site design.

M

Big picture two parcels after our formal.

M

Decision so two parcels and the proposed building could we maybe zoom out just a hair.

M

Thank you. The project about a thousand square feet of retail, with two studio apartments upstairs.

M

That is ron said it's kind of nestled within a pocket park next to a corner dog park, and so.

M

I see this project as more of a residential scale rather than having the commercial piece taking.

M

Over what the form of the building would be, and so it's really a commercial use within a residential.

M

Typology in the neighborhood, however, it does have a wraparound porch and really brings in.

M

The kind of notion of being very approachable and still being a corner and opening up. But if this.

M

Was mirrored and was put at the corner, it really would have turned its back on the street and so.

M

We're really trying to incorporate the building into the landscape and then into the streetscape.

M

So, just to talk about the components of the site we've taken advantage of the existing oak in the.

M

Middle of the site, and which also provides a lot of nice shade for the park. The dash line around.

M

Here is the existing canopy, so it really provides a lot of nice shade. That's already on the property.

M

The idea for the retail space is that it is a very vibrant indoor, outdoor space and especially.

M

In this covered world, having the you know, outdoor space is critical and crucial, for you know, keeping.

M

The economy, vibrant and keeping people coming to places like this, and so the wraparound porch.

M

Is over this porch that then spills out onto the park space I'll get into the fencing and the site.

M

Materials later on, but you see the parking in the northeast corner. We have a five foot.

M

Buffer adjacent to a residential or landscape buffer adjacent to the residential group, a.

M

The building itself is probably between 14 and 15 feet, west of the property line.

M

So there's about 10 feet before between the exterior steer and the property line to the east.

M

The residential entrance for the units upstairs is over on the east side as well, with the stair going.

M

Up the east side for the dog park piece, we have an entrance off of each sidewalk as well as an.

M

Entrance from the people park, so there are multiple ways to enter and exit the dog park.

M

The corner being a corner, we wanted to anchor the corner, and so there's signage at the corner.

M

And we also pushed back the fence so that it's not just a you know: fence abutting.

M

The sidewalk, but we've actually pulled it back three feet to allow for a low landscape buffer.

M

To soften the edge there so for the building, the idea was to take a typical casita, raise.

M

The roof for additional program, as well as open up an edge so that it opened up to the park space, did.

M

This just go up. No, so you see on the bottom, where we've lifted up two stories, we're keeping a very.

M

Traditional rhythm across the facades- and so you see that here as well.

M

From an elevation perspective, we're at 19 feet finished floor.

M

Which is roughly probably around eight inches, give or take around.

M

Compared to the the adjacent properties, the low roof overhang over the wraparound porch.

M

Is also nicely aligned with the streetscape as well, so this is the rhythm down the street.

M

Our proposed 11 to 12 pitch fits in seamlessly with the rest of the roof. There's another reason.

M

Of going with the residential typology so that we don't have just a flat kind of foreign roof here,.

M

That this is more in keeping with, what's already on the street, the roof pitch itself.

M

Would be expressed in the residential units upstairs, which you see here. This is in the.

M

Townhouses we did down the street, so the roof pitches do get expressed on the interior.

M

And then our setback off the street is 10 feet, and so that's in keeping with what's down the street as well.

M

So this is a view from the southeast corner of 18th street and fourth avenue. So you see the.

M

Dog park portion here with the signage anchoring the corner landscape is kind of hard to tell with.

M

The darkness of the screen, but the landscape at the edge of that and then a wood fence at.

M

The property with the building, which would be a little bit lower, you see the the height as.

M

Far as the height, we have the townhouses peeking through back behind there as well.

M

So exterior materials and details.

M

I'll go through the wall sections, but this is generally the palette we're looking at 5v crimp.

M

Metal roof party board artisan with the mitered corners. So it's the thicker board. It's about 5, 8, 5,.

M

8 inch thick so that you're able to get that nice clean, miter a lot of the foundation. It's a stem.

M

Wall, so any exposed block would be stuccoed over, except that most of it would have a wraparound.

M

Porch, so you don't really see the stucco, the exterior doors would be wood. The porch is a.

M

Paint the floor of the porch is a painted wood and the ceiling of that porch is exposed framing.

M

Accessories details we just have white and black accents, bringing in some green accents as well.

M

Being as it's in a park, kind of tie that in and some warmth with some of some natural wood exposed.

M

So the south elevation you've seen these in the submission package, retail at the.

M

Base, this is east-west is where the split of the units are, and so this is one full unit.

M

In these two windows- and you see the porch extending out over to the west.

M

So here's the wall section, it's talked about metal, roofing,.

M

We have exposed rafters but not exposed tails, so there's a fascia board, but no soffit board at the.

M

Top and the intention is to paint underneath that give a little bit of color interest, not.

M

Bright color, but bring in one of those deep greens that references kind of being in the park.

M

And coming down exposed underside of the rafters at the low roof.

M

As well as painted floor, and so the idea is that this is very kind of casual, yet very thoughtful.

M

Designed outdoor space so that people can enjoy being underneath the roof.

M

And then also spill out into the park.

M

So here's a view of what that retail entrance would be off the street.

M

And you see the residential entrance here with their stair going up the east side.

M

And the dog park beyond, so there is an entrance with stairs up to the building in.

M

Front of the building, and then there's also a park entrance a little bit farther west.

M

Within the wood fence, so I know this isn't what your debate you're, not um you know, granting a.

M

Certificate of appropriate appropriateness on, but just wanted to share with you what the floor plan.

M

Is for that residential or for the commercial space? Basically, when you come in would be.

M

Seating at the front, a service bar in the center that opens up to the west with an outdoor bar pass.

M

Through which is also very covet friendly and storage and restrooms on the on the north side,.

M

Of the building there's a service entrance at the rear that has access to the alley as well.

M

So this is the west elevation with those two restroom entrances.

M

This part in the plan, let me just jump back here- is recessed a little bit just to create a little.

M

Nook so to say for the entrance and because it changes materiality in this.

M

Section here, so this is the folding window that would open up all the way against the.

M

Wall on the north side and then double doors, the idea is to keep a lot of glass there, so that.

M

When you are inside you're experiencing really being opened and out looking out into the park,.

M

And this is the wall section through that point, a lot of the.

M

Most of this is similar to what I already went through on the south side, but you see.

M

Here, where you have a little bit drop ceiling, this is where I was saying would be some of.

M

The exposed natural wood and the ceiling at this opening and there would be a different material.

M

At this recess, because it's on the slab, so it wouldn't be the decking material.

M

This is where the outdoor bar is.

M

Total this is about probably 12 feet from the building face out to here.

M

So this is really how we want you to experience the park. You come in.

M

To the park space there may be clusters of seating in the shade.

M

We are proposing to keep the as many of the sable palms that are existing on the property.

M

In the central area as we can and then the building just spills out onto that.

M

So these are just some views to get give you a sense of what that really feels like.

M

This is the north elevation similar spacing as the south elevation. This is where the accessible.

M

Ramp is, and so that's pretty much similar as the north. The low roof does have the exposed tails.

M

Oops the east elevation has a is. This: is the stair up to the two residential units.

M

So this has a wood slot, railing system which is very, is horizontal and which is.

M

In keeping with the siding, here's an image, but even though it's natural wood here.

M

My design intent is that it would be white painted white. This is the service door back.

M

Of house for the retail each having a little roof overhang above those.

M

Also just so you see, this is the intent for the residential units upstairs, like I said.

M

Their studio apartments, so they're 400 to 500 square feet and they're.

M

Pushed back the doors and windows are all on the same grid.

M

As downstairs it's, these are pushed back mostly, so we can get a straight run of stairs.

M

So the site, materials and details.

M

The the dog park is going to be artificial turf because it's the nature of being on a.

M

In a dog park the we are putting some landscaped areas around most of the perimeter. There's a.

M

Little bit within the dog park, and then this part at the sidewalk is outside of the dog park. The.

M

Exact species are not yet determined, but the idea is that it's low on the sidewalk and at the front.

M

Edge and then gradually kind of gets up to be a little bit higher in the back more so as a buffer.

M

It also would be a little bit higher along the east side too.

M

There will be benches provided very few, but still benches provided within the park, which.

M

We also want to be ipe and the natural wood same with these play structures for the dogs.

M

We want them to be nice, wood epay, they also could be a place to sit and then the landscape.

M

Like I said in the middle, the demising fence would be hidden within the landscape, so you really.

M

Feel like this whole, both parcels are actually one project and connected.

M

The details, even though they're not exactly specified, we want to be very thoughtful and even.

M

Down to the you know, dog trash can so we really want every detail to be thought about.

M

The concrete at the traps and the parking.

M

We're looking at a very lightly exposed aggregate, concrete.

M

So this is a diagram of the fencing and the red. Is the metal fencing around the dog park on the left.

M

And then the blue is low, wood fence and the orange is high wood fence. So the high is required for the.

M

Blc guidelines and then the low is at the sidewalk in the back of the property more for security.

M

So I looked a little bit around the neighborhood too, to think about inspiration for the fences.

M

And the signage so looking at the typical casita again on ninth avenue and taking kind of this up.

M

And down simplifying it a little bit and just kind of making that a very simple detail there.

M

And then going to columbia, restaurant and looking at the cast concrete details they have.

M

And thinking about how the corner anchored signage can be something heavy and have some weight to it.

M

Yet still have some transparency to it. So whether it's a cast concrete detail- or this is actually a.

M

Painted clay tile but have some interest- that's very bore, inspired in the middle of that signage.

M

So the dog fence, at the top, would be a metal fence four feet tall, the lower wood fence.

M

Would be three feet with a little bit taller post and the east property wall.

M

Would be six feet tall with slightly taller posts.

M

So I'll end on this, which is a view from the dog park, where you see the landscape in the middle, is.

M

Low and you see through it and you see through to the building, and it really feels like it- has.

M

This indoor, outdoor feel and connection across the street excuse me across the property and.

M

Over the landscape and in turn, the building then would also look out and look into the neighborhood.

M

So that concludes my portion. Thank you. Good morning, commissioners ron villa staff with.

E

Historic preservation uh staff's finding that this application is consistent with the eboor.

E

City design guidelines in working with the um the agent you know we tried to define the.

E

Style of the house- and we came up with a railroad national, which is very uh simple in the designs.

E

We used mcallister's field guide, moving forward with the simplicity of the project.

E

And the compatibility of the design with the field guide for the american homes.

E

It was a very complete presentation. I just have a couple of items for her to elaborate on the.

E

Window selection, a final color palette and then for the downstairs commercial.

E

Area, if there's any indication of kitchen equipment that will be exposed any vents or.

E

Grease traps or anything that need to be addressed as this application moves forward.

E

One additional item is that if the artificial turf is to be incorporated into this project that there.

E

Be some kind of condition or motion attached to that? That is site-specific, that this doesn't show.

E

Up in the residential component of igbor city, and because of the use that's associated with.

E

This request that the turf is acceptable at this location. We do have john marsh with transportation.

E

I do believe he uh wishes to address the board at this time. Thank you uh just just to reiterate. I.

K

Believe what the applicant and staff has stated that there should be a condition that they.

K

Do their uh parking agreement before either permit or certificate of occupancy.

K

Thank you. Thank you. Have the opportunity for public comment if any.

A

One wants to speak on behalf of this project or against uh seeing none. We can ask questions.

A

No thank you well one question, and perhaps I missed it is the dog park.

B

Public or is it a private enterprise associated with the cafe and I'll? Let tyler answer that: okay,.

N

Good morning or probably good afternoon now, tyler hudson 400 north ashley drive um the the intent.

N

Is that it will be open to the public, it will be privately owned, privately operated and maintained.

N

There there may be down the road, a non-profit that may assume ownership, but the idea is that it. um It.

N

Will be open to the public, but it's not city of tampa. No, it's not in you know in candor, some of.

N

The due diligence that we did and appreciate all of staff's help and working through this is it.

N

Is a bit of an unusual um use, it's very simple: to explain but city staff development services.

N

Was was signed off on the approach, okay and then, if you could put the site plan up again, I just.

B

Want to clarify, because you're rendering there is a contributing structure adjacent to the proposed.

B

Site your renderings kind of obscure that, and it might just because the the scale of the.

B

House is diminutive, but I want to understand that street pattern escape that you brought up again.

B

uh You had a a wonderful rendering showing the oh. I don't know that that building is in that.

M

That's right: well, not the rendering. I guess the the elevation of the street that showed all the.

B

All the uh the scale of all the uh structures.

B

What I'm trying to understand is is um okay. Thank you trying to understand why you decided to to.

B

Put a very generous easement on what was: what is the east side of the of the property where.

B

That seems to not be what exists traditionally in the residential portion of the neighborhood.

M

So one thing is that five feet is the minimum of the building setback per zoning.

M

Really, what we're being pushed to is the fact that we have an exterior.

M

Non-Rated stair and so from florida building code. We have to be 10 feet from the property line.

I

To the face of that stair, so that's really what set then, where the building that's.

B

Describing that okay and then it does seem like you, could accommodate the required.

B

Parking along the alley, obviously minimizing the the the dog park, unfortunately, but so that was.

B

Just a choice you've made to provide it legally off-site. Well, I I think we can all appreciate.

M

Green space and I think that if parking can go where parking already is that it would be.

M

Nicer to give that space over to green space and a space that people could actually enjoy being in.

D

Okay, those are the only questions I have.

I

Could you go over the windows and maybe to trim around them and how they incorporated.

M

I'll just put up the view of the front.

M

Basically, this is hardy, artisan and so I'll. Just use this view because it's pretty straightforward.

M

um We just have a three and a half inch trim around the windows, mitered corners.

M

And a sill plate that would stick out beyond that, as well as a three and a half inch below.

I

And then, or just to be white like the rest of the yes there's. Also, these don't show a center.

M

Mole but the windows will come with a factory mold, so there will actually be some dimension.

M

With the trim board in between the windows when they're doubled up and then um to uh ron's other.

I

Question um are there any sort of any vent penetrations or anything like that from the.

I

Cafe on the first floor on the house, so the kitchen will be part of a fit out of the future.

M

Operator but the intent is that there's no cooking here, so no hood and if there is some small exhaust.

M

From whatever kitchen equipment they choose to use, it would be out the east side, but the.

M

The owner is going to the operator saying it's a no-hood kitchen, all right great. Thank you.

I

um Do you is the uh park gonna be lit at night? I noticed some lights here, but is there any.

H

Lighting in the park, so the um the dog park will not be open, 24 7.. um The idea, though, is.

M

That there will be some low-level lighting, that's maintained throughout the night, just because you.

M

Don't want to walk by a dark corner, but then the people park portion obviously will be a little.

M

Bit more lit because it'll be more activated at night. All right! That's that's all! I have.

H

And to staff's request about the kitchen kitchen equipment um that could have exterior elevations.

H

Exposures is there anything, I don't know what kind of cafe or thing you're going to have.

H

On that first floor right, that's what we were just saying. I don't think that there would be.

M

I mean there will not be a huge exhaust because there's.

M

No there's the intent is not to have a full cooking kitchen got it so we're.

H

Okay, I missed that no hood there, that's okay! Okay! That's all! That was the only thing I have.

A

Question for you, um can you show the east elevation that you have there with the stairs.

A

And actually, we can start if you yeah.

A

So I think that getting to commissioner gelat's comment about the the separation- and I understand.

A

The 10 foot away from the stair and it makes an interesting space- I mean you're, obviously taking.

A

You know land that could have been a building and you're making a park you're pulling a.

A

Building away and you're letting people walk by it all that stuff is exciting. um My the thing.

A

That caught my eye was that the these residential units that they're, obviously on the second floor.

A

But there's an opportunity here with this stair to maybe create a threshold along the ground.

A

Floor that is distinct from the wraparound porch that creates that kind of sense of arrival or.

A

We're going somewhere to you know a private uh residence potentially going to go, see a friend and.

A

The thing that struck me was um on that other image that you had yet the if you flip back to it.

M

The view from that yeah the the one that you were just showing us it's right under that.

A

Yeah there yeah okay, so you got that and you can see the stair peeking down.

A

Here in you, you've got the address. You've got the mailbox where, where are these.

A

Residences, mailboxes, you know right, so I I guess what I what I was imagining was a.

A

Kind of a that articulation that you have there on the stair, creating a trellis or some kind of.

A

Threshold that you walk through, that you mount the the mailboxes, the a and the b or whatever it is.

A

And you get a sense as you're walking along this this street, that hey there's something up there.

A

And I know that maybe I'm going to go see a friend it's. I think it's a way to maybe take it and.

A

Address it a little bit further but didn't know if you had a sense of that.

M

I hear what you're saying I think what I was really trying to do was not detract from the main.

M

Building, I didn't consider a trellis or threshold, but I I'm thinking about what that stair was part.

M

Of why I did the wood slat system was to give it some prominence on the side of the building.

M

But not detract, and so I wanted to give it. You know actually that threshold more happens when.

M

You're on the stair, then it happens before you get to the stair, and so I do think that once you're on.

M

The stair you do feel like you're on something different and you have a different detail than.

M

What you're used to just going up a stair with kind of a typical railing? And so I think you do.

M

Experience it differently, but maybe a little bit, maybe three steps later than what you're saying.

A

Yeah, I guess in my mind I could see that that piece kind of wrapping around and creating a.

A

Door that you kind of not that have a door but something that you go up and through and then.

A

The mailman comes by, and you know, puts the you know all the junk mail in there and.

A

Then it doesn't have to go up the stairs and so there's this sense of you know this. This place.

A

And that you have people that are up there, that you know their presence is acknowledged on.

A

On the ground floor and the pedestrian scale to overlay a little bit more information on that.

M

um This access point for the residential is also the refuse access out from the retail.

M

So it can't be completely devoted to the residential right, so the services and refuse are.

M

In the side yard, but the back of house of the retailers back here, so they do use this as well.

A

Yeah, the the the overlapping of uses doesn't doesn't bother me at all. I think it makes it even.

A

More exciting, but I think that at that point where the stair comes down there in my mind, there's.

A

A place to you know kind of say that this is something different: here's the mailboxes, whatever.

A

That was the one thing that caught my eye in terms of the um switching subjects, the signage that you.

A

Have at the dog park that masonry screen wall that seems to be, although referential to other things,.

A

In the district, four into what you're trying to accomplish in the rest of the aesthetic.

A

Of the project are there: are there different versions of that? Is that something that is just.

A

That that you're, you know, sold on I'm trying to figure out where.

A

Where does it come from right? No, I'm absolutely open. I I think that was a struggle of also the.

M

Thinking about the different fence types, and so that doesn't want to be a wood fence.

M

There, because of this you know the maintenance of that around a dog park doesn't make sense, and so.

M

Changing that fence type then led me to changing you know, then you don't want a wood fence or a.

M

Wood sign, you don't want something thinner. So then it kind of led me to thinking of.

M

The other more commercial, e-bore metal and a little bit heavier materials for.

M

That corner, I do think that the corner can withstand having that heavier piece. There.

M

It's a pretty prominent corner right. Are there any in terms of the building itself? It's it's raised.

A

Up- and I know that we've got a wraparound porch around most of it- are there any? Is it masonry.

A

Below that that you're coming up off of is that, are there any vents or articulation on on that.

A

Stem wall, no because most of that is covered with the wood porch. You only see the stucco.

M

The stem wall for about 10 feet right here on the east side, so there's no correlation to to that.

C

Okay in in the in the dog park or in the in the people park.

A

um On that image that you're showing there, what is that yellow where it says park and you you.

A

I couldn't tell what the what the proposed park finish was. I want to say floor finish.

A

But it's outside, so it essentially is a floor. Finish it's, um but it's stabilized gravel for.

M

Exterior so it's an ada compliant surface to where that can be accessible to get back to.

M

The north side of the property for the ramp accessibility- okay- I couldn't tell if it was.

A

In the rendering sorry yeah, I actually meant to mention that in the other side- and I didn't thanks.

A

Okay, those were my comments and questions. I appreciate the presentation. It's very.

A

Very well done. Thank you. I have one more question, so we have time.

B

Oh one more question: um I appreciate the hybrid and wrap around porch, but.

B

I'm curious, I see a gate expressed at the property line for where you would access the.

B

Residential above but there's not a gate, obviously at the stoop to the main door of the commercial.

B

Establishment- and there is no gate at the at the what I'm calling the driveway, but it seems.

B

To me, like this type of establishment, with this kind of open area in a place, that's technically.

B

Open to the public, when the establishment is open, you're going to want to control.

B

Who can get back there and it sounds like you're shaking your head, so you may have yes. I agree.

B

And I'm wondering just this is a question for the board. Although we do see fences at.

B

The property line in residential areas in nebraska, I'm wondering if this is a situation where maybe.

B

Along the commercial slash residential area, the fence actually gets moved back, which then allows.

B

You to control it after hours, but then lead that kind of front yard effect to the neighborhood. I.

M

Think that so I agree with the security is an issue for the site and I agree there should be.

M

It needs to be developed a gate system here. It needs to be able to be locked down.

M

As far as pushing it back that could work in front of the driveway.

M

But we would be really up on the building if we push back so I think we'd have to develop.

M

Some kind of gate system, whether it's you know, retractable or a different type than just a swing.

M

Gate, if we're not able to, I mean if we swung out on the sidewalk, maybe it is required to be.

M

Pinned by I don't know, that's kind of a different issue, but what about? If there's, if there is no.

B

Fence on the property line, but you literally push it back to like, so that there's a front porch, but.

B

Then there's a way to you know enclose it as it turns and across the driveway.

M

And you're saying to put a handrail then on the building. So then that becomes a.

M

Barrier well or a retractable barrier so that the porch is open. I don't know, I'm just sort.

B

Of thinking uh in terms of what's public space, and then also in terms of needing to probably.

B

Control access to that area, I think, there's a way to control the access with where the.

M

Fence is at the sidewalk. I think it's just a matter of figuring that out, okay and then.

B

Just another question, because it's a really intriguing concept- and I I'm intrigued by the.

B

Notion of creating a residential appearing structure. Well, it is residential, but that's.

B

Also commercial and running after park space, but traditionally, if you follow the hybrid.

B

uh Or not the hybrid but the the pattern of the street. What is the side of this property? Would.

B

Be technically the driveway, I keep referring it to his driveway, but then you said those are existing.

B

Palm trees you're trying to maintain them. Yes, the ones that are kind of grayed out are existing.

M

So I mean it's a as we get into cds, we'll figure out which ones we can keep. But I I don't see why.

M

We wouldn't be able to keep as many because my my instinct is to not landscape what would be.

B

Traditionally the driveway on this house, but I think it would just be very minimal. As far as.

M

Thicker landscaping that would be more at the perimeter of that people park, but then.

M

These palms, I mean I kind of see it more as like a kind of palm court that you're kind of maneuvering.

M

Through it kind of gives a place for some seating to be kind of tucked up again, so that would be not.

B

A hard surface in that area, it's it's essentially a hard surface because it's ada compliant. It has.

M

A little bit of loose material on it, but it's a stabilized hard surface. Okay, I'm I'm.

B

I'm intrigued and I'm just trying to understand the overall yeah. I think one. I think I'm.

M

There's opportunity to eliminate more trees. I was trying to keep them they're, actually kind.

M

Of nicely compacted in there yeah there's one kind of leaning. So maybe one goes but.

B

And actually it I mean a lot of times: there's not even room for vehicular access on along the side.

B

Of these smaller houses, so okay, all right, I'm kind of answering my own questions, but thank you. Thank.

M

You thank you yeah. Thank you. um I think you have a chance to rebut or respond to anything that you've.

A

Heard before we close the public hearing, but I think you've been playing along rather nicely so.

M

I don't have anything else. Thank you, yeah. Thank you. So we'll close the public hearing and discuss.

A

The case no thanks. No, no further comments, no comment. Nope. I think it's a fun project.

A

And I am intrigued by how the the different siding and the different use will.

A

Really kind of ripple out into the neighborhood because it is unique and different. So.

M

Thank you and I really do like the uh the elevations that you did along the street. I'm sure.

A

That you're, proud of them too, because you've been involved in a number of those different projects.

A

That we've seen uh over the past several months or if not years years, yes, thanks, yes,.

M

Years um so if we can get a motion that captures some of the uh sense of where we're at we can.

A

Move forward and command you've had a snapple from the citatorian's office. I'm sorry and just.

D

A reminder of the conditions that mr villa stated also from transportation about the parking. Okay.

B

I'll go ahead and make a motion, then this would be for a final approval, move to grant a certificate.

B

Of appropriateness for the drawings and documents presented at this public hearing in blc, 1804 1806.

B

1808 east 4th avenue for because, based upon the findings of fact, the proposed project would be.

B

Consistent with the ybor city design, guidelines of the city of tampa for the following reasons,.

B

The sighting scale and massing complement the existing patterns. The materials presented, follow.

B

The design guidelines and with the following conditions attached that the applicant provide.

B

A parking agreement or parking permit before certificate of occupancy is issued that the.

B

Artificial turf, that's being proposed for the dog park, is site specific to that portion of the.

B

Project and that the applicant present a final design for any fencing, particularly along the.

B

Residential portion, commercial, slash residential portion of the project, as discussed at the meeting.

A

We have a motion with conditions. Second, we have a second.

A

Does the applicant understand the conditions that are attached to the motion and you agree to them.

A

Okay, she said yes, even though she doesn't have a microphone um all in favor, aye, aye.

A

Any opposed you're good appreciate it. Thank you for the time. Thank you.

A

And with that we are done. Thank you see you next year see you next year.

A

We'll be singing the songs, we love to sing.