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A
Good
morning,
I'd
like
to
call
to
order
the
tuesday
march
23rd
2021
public
hearing
for
the
city
of
tampa's
barrio
latino
commission
welcome
everyone,
I'm
john
thompson,
chair
of
the
commission.
If
you're
here
to
present
a
project,
you
will
have
limited
time
to
make
your
presentation,
so
we
suggest
being
thorough
but
concise.
When
coming
to
the
microphone,
you
will
need
to
identify
yourself
and
your
relationship
to
the
project.
A
The
commissioners
will
not
ask
any
questions
during
your
presentation.
Your
project
should
be
presented
in
the
following
order:
site
plan,
elevations
architectural
details,
wall
sections
staff
presents
staff
report.
We
will
then
ask
for
public
comment
following
your
presentation.
The
commissioners
will
be
asking
questions
in
the
same
order
as
the
presentation
please
state,
and
spell
your
name
clearly,
if
you're
here
to
speak
for
or
against
a
project,
your
time
will
be
limited
to
three
minutes.
So
take
some
time
now.
A
To
summarize
your
comments,
because
three
minutes
goes
by
very
quickly
following
public
comment:
the
applicant
will
have
five
minutes
for
a
rebuttal.
The
public
hearing
will
then
be
closed.
The
only
comments
which
will
be
allowed
after
the
public
hearing
is
closed
will
be
in
response
to
any
questions
from
the
commissioners.
The
commissioners
will
then
discuss
the
case
and
make
the
decision
based
on
the
city,
ordinance,
chapter
27
of
city,
zoning
code,
the
design
guidelines,
the
secretary
of
interior
standards,
design
review
comments
and
the
testimony
given
in
this
public
hearing.
A
The
blc
can
only
act
on
items
that
are
within
our
specific
jurisdictional
responsibility.
Owner
agents
are
independently
responsible
to
obtain
any
appropriate
permits
and
or
approvals.
If
you
haven't
already
done
so,
please
silence
your
cell
phones
and
I'd
like
to
introduce
commissioners
starting
on
my
right.
A
A
A
B
C
F
G
Good
morning,
commissioners
ron
villam
staff
with
historic
preservation
under
announcements.
We
have
to
submit
the
staff
reviews
into
the
record
we're
doing
this
for
the
last
two
months
for
january
and
february,
and
also
for
our
new
commissioner
thanking
him
for
coming
on
board
and
if
he
wants
to
tell
us
a
little
bit
about
his.
G
C
F
F
F
G
F
G
E
G
G
There's
previous
action
to
this
request.
It
received
preliminary
approval.
In
february
23rd
2021
there
were
outstanding
items
attached
to
that
preliminary
approval.
They
are
attached
to
your
staff
report
on
pages
three
and
four
for
you
to
follow,
along
as
they
go
through
the
presentation
and
working
with
staff.
G
G
G
So
I'd
like
to
start
out
with
a
1929
sanborn
map,
you
get
a
feeling
of
the
fabric
that
was
there
in
the
density
within
the
historic
district
property
in
question
is
highlighted
in
the
green
shaded
area.
It
does
face
19th
avenue
to
the
west.
You
have
nebraska,
there
is
an
alley
that
runs
east
and
west
behind
the
property
that
dead
ends
right
behind
the
property.
It
does
not
access
nebraska
and
that's
the
current
condition
as
well.
G
G
This
is
an
aerial
shot,
showing
the
alley
that
I
spoke
about,
how
it's
it's
unimproved,
but
it
has
not
been
vacated
and
it
terminates
right
behind.
There
are
some
trees
associated
with
this.
The
natural
resources
have
reviewed
this
site
plan
and
has
no
concerns
at
this
time.
Once
again,
the
property
does
face
19th
avenue
and
then,
as
a
reference
point,
you
have
nebraska
to
the
west.
G
G
This
is
the
property
to
the
west.
This
is
used
for
overflow
parking
for
a
church
on
nebraska.
This
is
the
property
to
the
east.
This
is
a
contributing
structure.
It's
important
to
look
at
this
property
here,
so
you
see
the
setback,
that's
established
with
the
contributing
structures
on
the
block
and
then
elevation
from
grade.
G
G
This
is
looking
at
the
property
from
the
alley
back
to
the
south.
You
see
a
couple
of
trees
that
are
here
that
will
not
be
impacted
by
this
request,
and
this
is
the
condition
of
the
alley
and
how
it
terminates
as
it
approaches
nebraska,
but
does
not
access
nebraska,
and
that
concludes
the
photo
presentation.
This
time
we'll
have
the
agent
address
the.
G
H
Good
morning
ron
spohr
with
habitat
for
humanity,
hillsborough
county-
I
want
to
first.
Thank
you
for
your
comments.
Last
month,
I
actually
think
we
have
a
significantly
better
project
related
to
your
comments.
I
thank
you
for
that.
I
have
found
the
process
going
through
the
barrio
latino
commission
to
be
very
reasonable,
and
you
know
again.
I
mentioned
ron
vela's
excellent
to
work
with,
so
we've
enjoyed
the
process
so
far.
We
think
we
have
a
better
house
than
we
did
last
time.
H
Okay,
so
a
few
things,
some
changes
that
we
made.
If
you,
if
you
remember
from
when
I
was
here
a
month
ago,
there
was
actually
a
conflict
between
the
orientation
of
the
house
on
the
site
plan
and
the
architectural.
So
we
we
fixed
all
that
we've
we've
mirrored
the
house.
This
is
how
we
anticipate
building
the
house,
so
the
driveway
looks
different
than
it
did
the
steps
in
the
back
and
the
walkway
to
the
back
of
the
house
as
well.
H
H
You
could
see
that
the
gable
vent
was
made
smaller
for
your
comments.
Of
course,
the
elevation
was
flipped,
so
it's
currently
accurate.
It
does
show
on
the
side.
It
shows
that
the
house
will
be
appear
to
be
two
feet
out
of
the
ground
and
the
stairwell
on
the
side,
and
the
railing
was
also
fixed
from
the
first
presentation.
H
H
H
H
H
I
do
know
that
you
suggested
it
would
be
a
good
idea
to
also
have
a
pent
roof
on
the
side.
My
architect
was
not
able
to
make
it
work.
We
do
have
a
two
foot
overhang
all
right.
I
guess
I
I
may
not
also
have
pointed
out,
or
I
think
it's
coming
up
on
a
upcoming
upcoming
page
there's
there'll
be
two
feet:
a
two
foot
overhang
from
the
siding
to
the
end
of
the
rafter
tail.
So
I
think
that
was
a
comment
last
time
that
you're
specific
about
wanting
that
to
be
two
feet.
H
H
H
H
I
did
measure
the
houses
on
the
street
in
the
entire
block
and
we're
actually
sort
of
used
to
doing
this
from
we
build
an
east
tampa
overlay,
so
very,
very
commonly
measure
the
block
face
average
and
then
in
in
this
case,
block
face
average
from
the
front
of
the
porch
to
the
curb,
and
then
I
use
the
survey
to
sort
of
subtract
and
come
to
the
three
13
foot,
two
inches
from
the
property
line
to
the
front
of
the
front.
Porch
is
the
average
on
that
block
and
that's
how
we've
set
this.
H
F
H
H
H
H
Nothing
to
update
on
the
materials,
but
I
did
just
a
few-
I
meant
I
showed
this
last
time
with
windows
and
doors
craftsman
style
again.
Some
pictures.
I
think
there
was
a
little
some
some
wanted.
Some
clarification
on
fixtures,
so
I
put
out
some
hardware
a
light
fixture
and
just
the
architectural
style
asphalt
roof
shingles.
H
I
had
shared
stock,
a
fence
on
the
side.
Last
time
I
picked
it
french
in
the
front
and
real
detail.
The
same
detail
that
I
showed
last
time
and
just
the
window
details
that
I
showed
last
time,
which
is
actually
taken
from
a
recent
house
in
the
neighborhood
that
I
think
was
done
exceptionally
well,
just
down
the
street
and
then
again
tape
the
concrete
paved
ribbon
driveway
and
the
color
colors
that
we'll
use
provided
by
ronville.
H
I
guess
maybe
I
could
mention
a
few
things
if
we're
successful
in
obtaining
approval
today,
we'll
we'll
submit
for
permits,
maybe
that'll,
take
a
few
months
and
we'll
be
building
we'll
plan
to
build
this
house
in
the
summer.
Hopefully,
kovitt
will
have
abated
by
that
time
and
we'll
have
volunteers
back
on
our
sites.
We
would
love
it
if
you
would
consider
signing
up
on
our
website
to
volunteer
and
come
out
and
help
us
build
this
house,
and
we
will
welcome
your
critiques
as
well
when
you're
on
the
job
site.
G
Good
morning,
commissioners
ron
villa
staff
with
historic
preservation
staff
finding
that
this
application
is
consistent
with
the
eboor
city
design
guidelines
when
the
plans
that
were
submitted
in
february
5th
2021
some
site
issues
that
are
outstanding
or
require
additional
discussion
is
the
drive
out
off
the
alley.
Is
that
still
there?
G
It
was
indicated,
I
believe,
on
the
site
plan,
but
if
he
could
elaborate
a
little
bit
more
of
the
parking
requirements,
the
location
of
the
ac
and
if
it
can
be
seen
from
the
right
of
way,
how
he's
going
to
screen
the
air
condition
unit?
And
I
wanted
to
touch
upon
that
the
ribbon
drive.
He
showed
some
pavers,
which
is
usually
not
a
traditional
detail
that
we
support,
but
going
through
the
review
and
natural
resources
comment.
G
The
proximity
to
the
drive
aisle
to
the
tree
has
to
be
a
sensitive
solution,
so
in
this
particular
request
that
the
pavers
would
be
an
appropriate
path
to
go
down
and
the
and
this
board
does
control
colors.
So
we
discuss
the
the
illusion
of
having
it
look
like
a
more
of
a
concrete
finish
on
that.
Having
said
that,
that
concludes
my
portion
of
this
and
I'll
be
here
to
answer
any
questions.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Ron.
B
I
think
just
addressing
some
of
ron's
comments
initially.
Could
you
talk?
Is
that
concrete
drive
from
the
alley?
Still,
that
would
be
there
for
the
site
plan
and
then
and
then
the
ac
unit,
I
believe
we
talked
about,
was
going
to
be
on.
I'm
not
sure
I
believe
on
the
west
side
of
the
house
right
is
that
so
correct.
We
move
the
ac
to
the
back
to
the
back.
Okay,
oh
it's!
Actually
the
proposed
ac
pad
now.
Okay,
yes,
all
right!
C
H
D
D
D
Okay,
yeah
yeah,
I
wouldn't
mind
seeing
like
real,
like
the
concrete
pavers
that
look
like
bricks
there.
I
think
that's
more
appropriate
for
that
for
that
area,
which
I
think
is
one
of
your
standard
selections.
Yes,
I
think
you
have
a
gable
roof.
This
shows
a
hip,
I
mean
that's
pretty
minor,
but
you
may
want
to
clean
that
up
just
to
get
coordinated.
You
know,
I
think,
that's
kind
of
some
of
the
issues
that
we
faced
last
time
is
coordination
between
the
floor
plans
and
the
site
plan.
D
H
D
Yeah
yeah,
because
typically
these
types
of
houses
would
have
piers
supporting
the
structure
and
then
you'd
run
the
framing
off
of
there,
but
you
just
need
to
break
up
that
that
long
linear
stem
wall
at
the
bottom.
You
know
I
put
a
pier
at
the
end
and
a
couple
just
to
break
it
up
and
stucco
in
between
the
brick
pie.
D
D
So
that
would
be
my
only
concern
moving
forward
to
make
this
historic
everything
else.
I
think
the
applicant
has
picked
up
all
the
comments.
Thank
you
for
taking
the
time
on
the
research
for
the
the
floor,
height,
research
and
the
you
know
the
front
setback
averaging,
so
that's
excellent
documentation.
My
only
my
only
concern
there
is
just
breaking
up
that
stem
wall
with
a
few
pilasters
in
there
to
make
it
more
historically
consistent.
E
A
C
A
A
A
Thank
you
thank
you
for
making
the
tweaks,
and
I
want
to
pick
up
on
what
commissioner
simmons
was
suggesting
with
with
the
pilasters.
If
you
can
show
you
know
here,
we've
got
the
the
elevation.
If
you
can
show
the
section
real,
quick,
we
can
add
to
this
a
little
bit
and
make
make
it
a
little
bit
easier
so
here,
at
the
finish
floor
line
you're,
showing
the
termination
of
the
hardy
board
with
a
little
bit
of
trim.
A
A
So
I
think
that
in
this
case,
by
incorporating
the
the
piers
you
can
you
can
bring
the
hardy
board
down
another
eight
inches
or
so
to
to
reduce
the
the
two
foot
stem
wall
that
we're
seeing
yeah.
It's
it's
two
foot,
four
that
you're
showing
there,
and
so
we
could.
We
can
reduce
that
by
by
bringing
the
collaborate
down
a
little
bit
further,
and
we
can.
A
You
know,
I
think
that
that
can
be
part
of
a
condition
to
work
with
staff
on
you
know
what
what
are
those
details,
but
when,
when
you
have
a
a
condition
like
that
with
you
know
something
that's
referencing
kind
of
a
wooden
building,
it
would,
it
would
go
down
and
cover
all
the
wood
joists
and
that
sat
on
those
piers
and
so
the
the
elevation
would
would
have
more
hardy
board
rather
than
stopping.
At
the
finish
floor.
A
H
I
have
no
further
comments.
I
appreciate
your
input,
including
at
the
last
meeting
and
today,
and
we
look
forward
to
building
a
house
that
blends
in
well
with
the
neighborhood.
It's
a
home,
affordable
home
ownership
home,
and
we
would
love
to
love
to
see
you
on
site.
If
you
should
have
the
opportunity
to
volunteer
with
us.
D
A
G
G
The
request
in
front
of
you
this
morning
is
for
a
final
fence.
That's
already
installed
and
I'll
show
you
some
pictures
at
this
time.
So,
starting
with
a
sanborn
map.
Again
there
was
a
historic
structure
on
this
site.
This
structure
has
been
removed
prior
to
me
working
here
greater
than
20
years
ago.
G
G
G
G
There's
the
termination
point
from
the
four
foot
high
fence
to
the
six
foot,
high
fence,
another
shot
of
the
fence
along
the
alley
and
then,
to
conclude,
this
is
what
was
here
prior
to
the
fences.
It
was
a
chain
link
fence
that
is
also
not
allowed
in
the
historic
district
by
the
ybor
city
design
guidelines.
E
F
F
I
I
purchased
my
home
in
march
of
2018,
and
at
that
time
there
was
a
chain-link
fence
that
was
in
pretty
dire
need
of
repair.
There
were
parts
of
the
fence
that
were
collapsing.
There
were
other
parts
of
the
fence
that
did
not
connect
and
it
created
a
pretty
good
escape
opportunity
for
my
dog,
who
has
sometimes
been
prone
to
wunderlust,
but
beyond
that
it
didn't
really
offer
much
privacy
or
security
from
the
foot
traffic
that
is
generated
by
the
soup
kitchen.
That
is
located
on
the
next
block
up.
I
I
I
decided
that
it
was
time
to
replace
the
fence,
so
I
researched
fencing
materials,
I
weight
things
like
cost
and
the
environmental
impact
of
materials
used
for
the
production
of
fencing
and
things
of
that
such,
but
I
also
had
come
to
admire
some
of
the
other
vinyl
fences
that
were
used
by
other
houses
in
the
area.
So
I've
been,
you
know
I
brought
in.
I
I
I
I
I
feel,
like
you
know,
in
those
communities.
You
know
it
can
be
a
very
cookie-cutter
experience
at
times,
and
I
just
like
the
fact
that
you
know
all
the
homes
in
the
neighborhood
have
their
own
personality
and
they're
just
as
individual,
as
you
know,
the
people
who
own
them,
but
I
did
not
understand
that,
like
some
of
the
hoa
communities,
there
are
special
rules
that
are
very
specific
because
of
the
historic
district
so
prior
to
having
the
fence
installed.
I
So
to
add
to
that
prior
to
receiving
my
violation
notice
from
the
blc
in
february,
I
did
not
even
know
what
the
blc
was
or
that
it
existed
at
all.
But
now
I
know
so.
Although
the
circumstances
are
not
the
most
ideal
for
coming
to
know
the
blc,
I
will
say
that
it
has
created
a
learning
opportunity
for
me.
I
So,
once
I
received
my
notice,
I
accepted
my
responsibility
to
understand
the
issue
that
was
being
presented
and
I
started
to
look
for
some
answers
and
I
don't
know
my
voice
is
so
shaky.
I
apologize,
I
decided
to
look
for
some
answers
and
I
started
my
search
by
researching
the
tampa
florida
ordinances,
and
so
I
guess
my
my
in
trying
to
understand
things.
I
The
document
provides
some
illustrations
to
give
examples
of
what
might
be
considered
appropriate
designs,
and
then
it
also
includes
a
paragraph
that
spells
out
what
would
be
considered
appropriate
materials.
So
I
noticed
in
the
document
it
it.
It
lists
some
specific
materials
not
to
be
used.
You'll
see
things
like
you
know
the
the
cinder
block
and
chain
link
and
things
like
that,
but
in
all
the
lists
of
materials
that
are
there
vinyl
is
not
listed.
I
I
did
not
believe
that
my
fence
posed
any
violation
even
like
I
said
before.
I
had
no
idea,
but
even
after
reviewing
the
document,
I
couldn't
see
that
there
appeared
to
be
any
violation.
So
that's
why
I'm
here
today
just
just
kind
of
get
on
the
same
page
and
resolve
this
issue
and
just
move
forward.
G
Good
morning,
commissioners
ron
villa
staff's
finding
that
this
application
is
inconsistent
with
the
eboor
city
design
guidelines
and
what
was
submitted
to
our
office
on
march
5th,
2021
speaking
directly
to
the
design
guidelines
on
page
76.
The
designs
of
the
fences
should
be
similar
to
those
referenced
in
the
guidelines.
However,
vinyl
is
not
a
material
that
is
considered
compatible
with
the
ybor
city,
historic
district,
also
referencing,
page
76
use
appropriate
designs
and
materials
when
choosing
a
fence
to
enhance
the
building.
G
Where,
like
fencing,
materials,
are
prominently
seen
from
the
public
right-of-way
and
will
require
uses
or
recommended
fence
materials
would
place
an
undue
economic
hardship
upon
the
applicant
and
that's
referenced
on
page
three
in
your
staff
report,
as
I
stated
that
this
fence
does
meet
city
of
tampa
code
as
presented,
the
challenge
that
we
have
is
when
the
owners
or
agents
call
the
city
up
to
erect
a
fence.
No
permits
are
required,
but
approval
is
still
required.
G
Ivor
city's
been
a
historic
district
for
many
years.
I
believe
that
the
the
agents
that
are
selling
these
homes
are
advising
the
clients
that
they
are
in
the
historic
district
we've
met
with
a
lot
of
the
realtors
in
the
past,
provided
guidelines
to
them.
So
at
the
time
of
closing,
they
can
provide
these
documents
to
the
public.
You
know
in
a
fashion
that
is
more
up
front
than
than
going
in
this
fashion.
G
A
J
J
For
a
few
reasons,
one
is
it
looks
better,
it's
cleaner
and
neater
and
it
lasts
longer
and
as
you
can
tell
because
those
the
the
pictures
that
she
showed
are
from
before
the
area
became
part
of
the
historic
local
district,
so
they've
been
around
for
a
really
long
time.
Most
of
them
looked
pretty
good
so
and
and
also
for
the
fact
that
plastic
wasn't
around
really
in
this
capacity.
J
The
other
reason
that
I
think
it
should
be
permitted
going
forward
which
isn't
necessarily
what's
being
asked
or
presented
today,
although
if
this
variance
is
approved,
that
could
obviously
set
the
stage
for
that.
But
I
think
it's
very
peculiar
that
our
historic
neighborhood,
one
of
its
defining
features,
is
that
we
do
not
allow
vinyl
fencing
and
yet
a
few
blocks
away
in
east
tampa
all
over
tampa
heights
everywhere
else.
J
You
can
see
it
and
I
think
that's
a
really
strange
thing
to
separate
our
neighborhood
when
we
have
lots
of
other
historic
benefits
and
and
visual
features
that
could
distinguish
our
neighborhood
rundown
wooden
fences
are
not
really.
I
think,
one
of
the
ways
that
anyone
would
like
our
neighborhood
to
be
recognized
when
you
compare
it
to
again
just
a
few
blocks
away
on
21st
and
22nd,
there's
all
kinds
of
new
construction
and
all
of
them
have
vinyl
fences.
J
I
have
a
serious
problem
with
that,
but
I
think
that
the
city
and
the
blc
and
historic
preservation
need
to
do
a
much
more
diligent
job
at
educating
people
and
I'm
talking
about
people
who
buy
in
the
neighborhood
people
who
are
selling-
I
don't
think
realtors,
know,
and
I
don't
think
enough.
Homeowners
know
and
the
neighborhood
association
of
which
I'm
very
active
and
have
been
a
former
president,
does
work
to
educate
people,
but
not
everyone
gets
involved
with
the
neighborhood
association
and
it's
frankly,
not
the
neighborhood
association's
responsibility
to
educate
people
about
the
blc
codes.
J
A
G
G
To
the
sanborn
map,
I
didn't
bring
a
specific
illustration
to
show,
but
this
used
to
be
our
northern
boundary,
which
was
michigan
that
is
now
columbus
drive.
It
used
to
end
on
the
the
alley
the
block
face,
the
northern
block
face
facing
columbus
drive.
Since
then,
the
area
has
expanded
to
the
north
to
21st
avenue,
and
this
house
was
captured
in
that
expansion
that
was
approved
by
this
board
and,
ultimately
city
council.
G
So
a
lot
of
the
fences
that
were
shown,
I
believe,
were
in
this
area
prior
to
the
expansion
in
in
you
know
to
the
north.
I
don't
believe
any
of
the
fences
that
were
shown
today
are
under
a
violation
which
leads
me
to
believe
that
they
were
approved.
You
know
and
meet
city
code
prior
to
the
area
expanding
to
the
north.
C
C
I
So
I'm
not
really
sure
we
didn't
really
have
those
discussions.
My
best
guess
is
that,
like
myself
just
reading
the
language
of
the
guidelines
it,
I
think
it
would
be
really
hard
to
make
a
distinction
that
clearly
says
that
vinyl
isn't
permitted
because
vinyl
is
it's
not
used
anywhere
in
the
language?
I
You
know
it's
very
clearly
spelled
out
in
the
city
code,
but
when
you
reference
the
guidelines,
you
know
it,
it
does
not
say
it
almost
feels
like
it's
just
kind
of
like
a
common
knowledge
thing
things
that
people
just
know
because
they
know
so
I
don't.
I
cannot
speak
on
behalf
of
the
fencing
company
because
I
just
don't
know.
I
can
only
speak
for
what
my
experience
has
been.
You
know
trying
to
understand.
You
know
the
issue
that
we're
having
today,
so
it's
possible
that
they
just
don't
know.
J
G
The
igbor
city
design
guidelines
were
established,
the
ones
that
we
currently
use,
I
believe
in
the
early
80s
we're
in
the
process
of
revamping
those
criterias
now
and
we're
going
to
provide
this
board
a
a
summary
of
the
direction
it's
going.
We
have
a
consultant
on
board
and
we're
redoing
the
guidelines
at
this
time.
G
J
D
D
C
D
G
If
I
might
have
misspoke,
if
I
said
that
defense,
as
is
installed,
meet
cydia
tampa
code,
the
code
states
that
in
the
front
yard,
if
the
fence
is
transparent
as
this
one
is,
the
picket
provides
that
transparency.
It
could
be
up
to
four
foot
in
height
and
then
towards
the
rear.
You
can
have
a
privacy
fence
instead
of
tampa
code
for
the
side
and
the
rear
behind
the
front
yard.
Setback
can
be
six
foot
in
height.
G
G
D
Okay,
I
mean
vinyl,
you
know
pvc
fences
are
I
mean
you
look
at
a
lot
of
these
wood
fences
that
have
gone
up
in
the
district
within
two
three
years
ago,
when
they're
already
showing
signs
of
you
know
growth
and
decay,
and
finally,
you're
not
going
to
have
that
issue.
So
it's
a
it's
a
legitimate
issue
here.
So
thank
you
for
clarifying.
F
Kamaria
pettis
mackel
from
the
city
attorney's
office,
I'd
just
like
to
clarify
just
for
the
record
that
the
applicant
is
pursuing
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
regarding
the
fence.
There
was
one
comment
from
a
public
comment
about
a
variance
request
just
to
clarify
this
is
not
a
variance
request
and
the
letters
that
were
submitted
in
support
or
against
the
the
the
application
also
referenced.
The
variance
request.
This
is
that
a
variance
request
is
not
what
the
applicant
is
asking
for.
It's
a
certificate
of
appropriateness,
and
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
that
for
the
record.
C
G
You
know,
staff
tries
to
get
involved.
We
have
a
huge
presence
in
the
community.
We
try
to
nip
these
requests
before
it
gets
to
this
level.
I
think
we're
very
proactive
in
our
approach
in
in
all
our
historic
districts.
There
are
some
that
fall
through
the
cracks
as
this
one
did
here.
You
know
I'd
like
to
to
address
these.
G
B
I
I
My
preference
was
for
the
vinyl
just
for
you
know,
like
I
said,
I'd
seen,
vinyl
used
by
some
of
my
neighbors
and,
as
my
other
neighbor
mentioned,
just
because
of
the
upkeep
and
the
need
to
constantly
replace
and
repair
the
wood.
I
wasn't
particularly
keen
on
that,
but
I've
never
put
up
a
fence
before
I
just
heard
through.
You
know
other
people
discussing
insulation.
That
would
seem
to
be
a
cheaper
alternative,
but
at
the
time
you
know
the
pandemic
was
happening,
and
I
guess
there
was
a
lot.
I
It
had
a
lot
of
impact
on
other
sectors
like
wood
and
excuse
me
an
import
of
wood
and
things
like
that.
So
because
of
I
guess,
the
supply
and
demand
issue
related
to
that
it
was
spiking
the
cost
of
wood.
So,
based
on
the
estimate,
the
difference
in
price
really
wasn't
significant
enough
for
me
to
elect
wood
over
vinyl
was
almost
about
the
same.
A
Okay,
the
commissioners
that
have
asked
questions
you
have
five
minutes
to
discuss
any
of
the
items
that
you've
heard.
Thus,
you
know
from
this
round
of
discussion,
so
you
have
a
little
bit
of
time
for
rebuttal
before
we
close
the
public
hearing
and
discuss
the
case
and
try
to
move
forward
with
emotion,
if
you'd
like
to
add
to
any
of.
I
The
only
thing-
and
I
don't
know
if
this
makes
a
difference
one
way
or
the
other,
the
choice-
to
request
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
versus
a
variance
is
only
because
certificate
of
appropriateness
was
the
language
that
was
used
on
the
notice
when
I
received
it.
So
I
thought
that
that
was
what
I
would
need
for
this
request.
C
B
B
F
B
F
F
So
if
the
commission
votes,
however,
the
commission
boasts
regarding
this
property
is
unique
to
this
property
in
this
applicant.
Okay.
So
just
keep
that
in
mind
and
again,
as
mr
villa
stated,
staff
takes
up
a
lot
of
the
fencing
requests
and
this
applicant
is
only
here
because
of
a
notice
that
she's
received
to
address
the
materials
that
were
brought
to
the
city's
attention.
B
Yeah,
so
obviously,
I
sympathize
with
the
amount
of
money
spent
on
defense
and
there's
a
reason
why
why
ppc
vinyl
fences
are
very
popular
nowadays,
as
I
mentioned
like
the
upkeep,
they
keep
they
last
a
lot
longer.
However,
I'm
a
bit
also
uncomfortable,
maybe
granting
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
offenses.
Just
this
that
doesn't
match
the
historic
nature
of
which
we're
attempting
to
preserve.
B
I'm
sure
is
there
a
way
for
us
to
kind
of
kick
this
down
the
road
until
the
future
guidelines
are
enacted
and
whether
new
materiality
is
sort
of
considered
in
the
guidelines
or
anything
like
that.
Just
because
we
have
we,
because
we
have
just
things
like
you
know
like
lbt
now,
can
look
a
lot
like
wood
right
for
like
flooring
and
that
kind
of
things,
and
I
think
there
could
be
a
similar
situation
with
vinyl
fencing
where
they
look
like
a
painted.
F
Kamaria
pedestal
from
the
city
attorney's
office-
I
just
want
to
again
in
reminding
the
commissioners
while
they're
going
through
their
thought
process
of
the
criteria.
That's
that's
presented
in
the
staff
report
on
piece
three
about
the
two
alternative
reasons
in
order
to
take
into
consideration
the
alternative
materials
for
fencing.
C
So
I
I
agree
with
ron
that
this
one
fell
through
the
cracks
should
have
been
caught
earlier,
but
I
do
believe
that
there's
a
precedent
for
approval
in
the
neighborhood,
as
you
show
those
fences
I
actually
drove
by
the
property
over
the
weekend,
and
I
saw
that
the
surrounding
properties
near
they're
all
changing
fences-
some
of
them
are
falling
over.
So
I
think
this
adds
to
the
streetscape
enhances
it.
C
J
I'd
like
to
say
that
the
fence
looks
great,
and
I've
been
in
favor
of
these
fences
for
a
long
time,
but
people
close
to
me
haven't
been
allowed
to
put
them
in
because
they're
not
required,
but
the
question
I
asked
ron
was
well
what
was
the
last
time
the
the
guidelines
were
reviewed.
He
said
the
early
80s,
which
brings
the
witness
to
the
lack
of
a
better
word,
her
statement
that
they
weren't
even
around
at
the
time.
So
it's
been
a
matter
of
governmental
neglect
that
they're
not
around
the
fence,
looks
great.
J
It's
a
2006
house.
I
believe
it
deserves
a
2006
fence.
That's
that
that's
not
a
problem
either,
and
then
I'm
going
to
go
back
and
touch
a
nerve
that
it
wasn't
just
a
couple
of
weeks
ago.
Well,
I'm
sorry.
It
was
a
couple
of
months
ago
that
that
this
board
approved
a
blatant
non-variance
for
a
height
difference
in
a
building.
J
J
J
So
we've
got
a
moral
dilemma
faced
off
with
a
legal
dilemma,
and
sometimes
the
law
is
an
ass
and
we
just
got
to
that.
That's
all
there
is
to
it
I'm
going
with
the
moral
situation
and-
and
I
and
you
might
have
heard
me
gasp
when
I
heard
what
what
the
young
woman
here
paid
for
this
fence
to
do
a
nice
job.
D
Yeah,
I
share
the
sentiment
of
my
fellow
commissioners
that
it's
a
it's
a
tough
decision.
You
know,
because
you
have
one
thing,
that
okay,
that
material
wasn't
listed
in
the
80s
as
acceptable
material,
but
you
know
then
again
other
materials
that
we
use
in
our
construction
continually
evolve
and
we
used
newer
and
better
materials.
I
mean
fiber
cement.
Siding
hardy
board
is
one
thing
that
was
never
used.
D
I
mean
you're,
always
traditional
wood
and
at
some
point
in
time
we
had
to
change
that
to
allow
the
cement
fiber
board,
which
I
think
is
a
a
good
use.
Shingles
have
evolved,
you
know
so,
there's
a
there's,
a
continual
update
of
materials
to
make
better
products.
Specifically
with
this
case,
I
think
the
application
they
they
did.
D
D
My
other
concern
is
the
precedent
that
the
sets
for
this
district.
So
all
of
a
sudden
we're
saying
it's
it's
okay
to
use
a
vinyl
fence
for
yards
and
I
think
we
might
need
to
be
specific.
We
don't
want
vinyl
on
houses
for
for
fencing
materials
or
on
the
front
porches
I
mean
I
don't
think
that's
appropriate
to
go
vinyl
there,
but
I
think
here
vinyl
tends
to
be
a
you
know:
a
modern
material,
that's
durable.
It
holds
up
over
time.
It's
easy
to
clean
and
maintain.
D
It
looks
better
over
the
long
run
than
wood
and
pt.
Even
pt
wood
tends
to
deteriorate
and
lose
its
finish.
Vinyl
doesn't
have
that
issue,
so
you
know,
I
think
the
installation
of
the
fence
as
installed
is,
is
appropriate.
The
use
of
materials-
I
think
you
know
it's
time
to
modernize
here
and
say
that
this
is
an
appropriate
material
to
use
as
a
fence.
D
I'm
just
a
little
concerned
about
the
you
know
the
the
precedent
that
that
sets
and
then
it'll
be
like
open,
open
season
on
final
fences
for
everyone
in
the
district
which
I
have
concerned
about
setting
that
precedent.
So
I'm
still
you
know
I
like
wood.
It
holds
up
it's
it's
timeless.
It's
it's
a
native
material
to
the
historic
district
and
I'm
still
kind
of
up
and
up
in
the
air
on
this
one.
But
you
know,
I
certainly
think
you
know
part
of
this.
E
First
of
all,
I
think
your
fence
looks
very
nice
and
it
was
confirmed
earlier
that
other
than
the
material
it
meets
all
the
other
criteria
and
I've
listened
to
what
all
the
other
commissioners
have
shared
in
regards
to
their
thoughts
and
and
tend
to
agree
with
majority
of
them.
The
fact
that
our
design
guidelines
are
being
reevaluated
indicates
to
us
that
they've
been
around
for
way
too
long
and
need
to
be
updated.
E
I
would
like
to
see,
as
you
know,
as
far
as
color
to
your
point,
I
think
you're
right
at
some
point
in
time.
I
think
they're
going
to
come
up
with
wood
looking
vinyl,
but
in
the
meantime
they
I
don't
believe
they
have
that,
but
to
the
point
of
several
others,
it's
durable.
It
looks
good,
it
lasts
it's.
E
A
Thank
you
for
your
presentation.
We
appreciate
the
conversation.
I
think
that
this
particular
case,
although
it's
you
know
unique
to
your
house,
is
going
to
affect
and
inform
a
lot
of
the
stuff
that
goes
forward.
So
thanks
for
bringing
it
to
the
forefront,
I
appreciate
you
sharing
the
cost
of
the
fence
with
us,
because
I
think
that
you
know
what
we're
talking
about
would
be.
A
If
we
said
no,
it's
it's
inappropriate.
You
have
to
take
it
out
and
put
another
ten
thousand
dollar
fence
in
place.
That's
that's
a
that's
a
a
lot
of
money
to
pay
once
and
a
lot
of
money
to
pay
twice.
So
I
appreciate
you
sharing
that.
I
think
that
you
know
we
we
do
need
to
update
the
the
standards
and
we
need
to
update
the
guidelines.
A
A
It
just
has
the
it
has
a
material
that
isn't
clearly
defined
in
the
guidelines,
so
we
need
to
catch
up
with
that.
I
think
there's
an
opportunity
there
to
you
know
allow
allow
portions
of
the
district
that
have
been
expanded
to
have
a
little
bit
more
flexibility
than
the
core
district.
You
know
to
where
we
we
might
make
a
you
know
the
commission's
concerned
with,
if
we
say
yes
to
to
your
fence,
we
get
them
everywhere.
A
I
think
that
we
could
be
a
little
bit
more
more
nuanced
in
our
approach
to
how
we
want
to
deal
with
that,
because
we've
we've
had
the
opportunity
to
to
watch
decisions
that
we
make.
Regarding
finishes
of
cell
phone
towers,
you
know,
leave
the
district
and
we
have
to
consider
how
that
how
that
affects.
You
know
the
integrity
of
the
district
as
well
as
the
applicant.
A
I
mean
I
I'm
of
the
opinion
that,
if
there's
a
little
gray
area
here
that
the
benefit
should
accrue
to
the
owner
to
the
property
to
the
property
owner,
I
think
that
you
know
we've.
We've
got
some
stuff
that
we
need
to
iron
out.
If
we're
30
years
behind
on
what
our
standards
are,
we
need
to
update
them
and
make
it
more
clear
for
everybody.
A
E
E
You
know
people
don't
know
that.
There's
that
process
out
there.
How
are
we
communicating
to
people
that
they're
that
to
homeowners
and
property
owners
that
they're
in
a
historic
district
and
here's
what
needs
to
happen,
and
I
I
think
I
would
like
to
challenge
us
in
whatever
way
I
need
to
do
that
ron.
How
do
we
do?
How
do
we
communicate
with
them?
E
D
I
I
think
you
know
going
back
to
commissioner
schiller's
point
about
okay,
the
last
ball,
and
for
this
you
know
we
have.
We've
got
the
design
guidelines
being
updated
right
now
and
we're
going
to
have
to
take
a
position
on
this
where
the
or
the
hbc
is
going
to
need
to
take
the
position
on
this
for
this
particular
application.
D
I
I
think
one
of
the
things
that
kind
of
helps
us
without
sending
too
dangerous
a
precedent
that
we're
going
to
say,
hey,
we're
going
to
allow
pvc
fences
in
the
in
the
historic
district
is
on
page
77
of
the
more
city
design
guidelines
that
we
can
also
state
that
you
know.
Yes,
this
applicant
acted
without
the
knowledge
of
what's
required
within
the
district,
but
this
would
also
create
undue
economic
hardship
upon
the
applicant
to
go
ahead
and
replace
that.
D
D
I
remember
on
my
previous
term
that
when
we
served
there
was
someone
that
built
a
shed
behind
a
house
and
it
was
like
you
know
they
spent
a
lot
of
money
to
do
that
and
they
didn't
know-
and
it's
you
kind
of
feel
for
for
them,
but
I
think
right
now
to
help
protect
our
precedent.
Setting
of
this
pbc
fence
within
the
district
until
the
design
guide,
the
guidelines
are
updated.
C
F
B
I
mean
the
only
thing
I
sort
of
have
with
that
condition
is
that,
although
I
think
everything
is
as
legal
as
conformed
as
that,
everything
is
just
very
specific
to
this
case
anyway,
so
that
we're
not
really
setting
a
precedent.
But
by
putting
that
in
I
mean
in
terms
of
our
rulings,
this
is
sort
of
like
well.
B
F
Mario
pettis
mackel
from
the
city
attorney's
office,
I
just
want
to
clarify
that's
not
a
condition
that
the
commissioner
is
asking
to
be
included
in
the
motion.
That's
what
his
basis
will
be
for
whatever
emotion
he
has,
but
but
again
this
is
the
the
the
information
that
the
commissioner
was
just
speaking
of
it's
not
this
is
it's
almost
like
a
hardship
to
justify?
If
that's
what
your
motion
is
to
approve
the
certificate
of
appropriateness,
it's
saying
that
I
have.
F
F
B
F
E
A
I
E
G
G
Most
of
the
commissioners
will
see
this
project
and
and
know
that
it
came
in
front
of
the
board.
It
did
receive
a
final
on
december
17th
and
20
2020
and
they've
accumulated
additional
parcels,
so
the
project
has
grown
a
little
bit.
As
part
of
this
request,
I
stated
that
there
were
multiple
zoning
classifications
attached
to
it.
I
just
want
to
read
through
those
zoning
classifications,
it's
some
that
we
don't
deal
with
on
a
daily
basis.
G
G
G
Part
of
the
request
is
the
demolition
of
this
non-contributing
structure,
so
the
the
new
footprint
for
the
structure
will
come
across
and
then
bend
to
the
north
slightly.
This
will
be
a
parking
area,
surface
area.
This
will
be
a
surface
parking
area
and
this
is
a
building
that
will
encompass
the
the
rest
of
the
required
parking
for
this
parcel
as
presented
today.
There
are
no
variances
attached
to
this
request.
G
That's
looking
at
the
surface
lot
here,
going
back
to
your
key
or
your
reference
point
we're
going
to
now
look
at
the
surface
parking
in
this
area,
which
is
indicated
by
this
chain-link
fence,
we'll
take
on
a
different
vocabulary
now
through
this
presentation
and
then
lastly,
looking
at
the
concealed
parking
within
this
structure
here-
and
this
is
off
of
third
avenue
and
just
to
the
west
of
18th,
which
is
angel
oliva
once
again
and
that's
the
structure
here.
That
concludes
the
photo
presentation
and
mr
garcia
will
address
the
board.
C
K
K
K
We
are
we're
enhancing
that
property
and
it
will
be
also
an
additional
parking
area
for
the
development.
What's
shown
as
lot.
2
came
forward
last
time
that
that
has
not
changed.
The
approach
to
the
property
has
not
changed.
We
have
an
alternative
parking
approval
for
that
property
and
then
what's
labeled
as
lab
3
will
be
a
completely
new
site
that
nobody
has
seen.
Yet.
This
is
just
going
to
be
parking
within
an
existing
warehouse
building.
K
The
building
consists
of
102
units
and
the
parking
combined
parking
is
also
102
parking
spaces.
That's
not
anything.
That's
shown
on
the
right-of-way
is
purely
conceptual
at
this
point.
That's
not
we're
not
presenting
the
right-of-way
improvements
as
part
of
this
approval,
so
lot
one
will
have
51
spaces,
which
is
directly
behind
the
building,
lot
2
and
then
lot.
2
and
3
would
have
the
rest.
So
we
are
meeting
the
one-to-one
ratio
here.
The
building
seat
sits
solely
within
the
yc6
zoning
lots.
K
K
K
It
would
be
integrated
with
the
fencing
which
will
not
be
vinyl
fencing,
and
so
that's
the
small
utility
structure
there
just
wanted
to
point
that
out
and
for
landscaping
we'll
be
using.
You
know
we'll
be
using
the
landscaping
strategically
throughout
to
buffer
the
vehicular
use
areas,
and
it
will
be
coordinated,
particularly
on
that
lot
in
the
corner
of
fourth
and
ninja
oliva,
so
that
it
it
it
has
a
dialogue
with
the
future
park
that
will
be
built
across
the
street.
K
K
Starting
from
the
left
of
the
screen,
that
would
be
the
main
anchor
of
the
project
and
that's
going
to
be
the
really
the
main
entrance
main
lobby
and
main
lobby
of
the
of
the
structure,
because
the
building
is
so
long.
It's
really
the
length
of
the
block
along.
Third,
we
have
a
second
entry
kind
of
strategically
placed
at
the
dividing
point
between
the
existing
structure
and
the
new
structure,
and
then
we
have
another
common
space
facing
19th
within
the
historic
structure
of
the
building.
K
As
we
move
on
to
the
second
floor,
the
historic
structure
again
like,
as
we
mentioned
before,
is
only
a
two-story
building.
So
here,
even
though
we're
presenting
them
and
you'll
see,
as
we
present
the
elevations
because
of
the
length
of
the
building,
we're
going
to
be
looking
at
the
design
almost
as
three
different
buildings,
there's
really
one
structure
connected
within
the
third
floor.
K
And
then,
on
the
fifth
floor,
we
have
a
slight
setback
on
the
on
the
new
building
as
well,
and
here's
the
roof
plan
showing
kind
of
our
approach
to
the
mechanical
layout
and
the
roof.
Just
as
a
quick
reference.
Those
mechanical
units
will
not
be
visible
from
the
street,
based
on
just
the
width
of
the
building
and
the
location
of
those
units.
K
So,
just
to
go
over
real,
quick,
the
rehabilitation,
our
approach
to
this
building
really
did
not
change.
Since
our
previous
application,
we
are
proposing
to
fully
restore
this
building
and
rehabilitate
the
structure.
We
are
going
to
be
re-reconfiguring
the
interior
plans,
but
in
terms
of
the
exterior
other
than
we're
going
to
be
demoing,
some
of
the
foreign
elements
such
as
the
awnings
and
the
fire
escape,
and
then
some
of
the
other
elements
will
remain,
such
as
the
balcony
structure
and
recovering
some
of
the
old
doors
and
windows.
K
There
was
one
comment
that
came
on
during
our
last
presentation
about
the
balcony
and
we've
started
the
encroachment
process.
We
have
the
green
light
from
tico
that
there's
no
not
going
to
be
any
conflicts
with
any
existing
utilities
by
keeping
and
restoring
this
front
from
balcony
here's
some
of
the
demo
scope
depicted
on
the
plan.
Oh,
that
does
not
look
good.
K
Well,
this
is
really
showing
some
of
the
character
defining
features
of
the
of
the
building
that
we
were
going
to
salvage,
and
this
was
supposed
to
be
the
material
page
which
we
have.
We
have
a
loose
a
loose
sheet
here
that
we
can
show
if
we
need
to
go
through
that
again.
But
again,
this
did
not
change
from
our
previous
presentation
and
here's,
a
quick
rendering
of
what
the
building
will
look
like
once
it's
fully
rehabilitated
with
a
a
partial
cross-section
of
that
from
facade
facing
19th,
moving
on
to
building
wing
b.
K
Here's
the
this
is
where
we
start
seeing
some
of
the
changes
from
our
previous
presentation.
The
facade
facing
third
avenue
is
relatively
the
same
with
some
minor
differences.
We
did
added
a
new
row
of
windows,
we
didn't
add
a
floor,
it's
just
how
and
I'll
go
through
some
of
some
of
that.
Some
of
those
differences,
but
materiality
and
design
approach
is
the
same
so,
and
this
is
some
of
the
inspirations
that
we
had
used
to
drive
the
design
of
the
project.
K
Here's
the
this
plan
kind
of
really
shows
you
in
context
how
the
building
sits
we
have
a
very
important
building
across
from
us
is
the
coral
cigar
factory
building?
This
is
a
very
important
building
for
us
is
it's
really.
You
know
one
of
the
tallest
structures
in
ybor
city
and
has
a
very,
very
strong
character.
The
repetition
and
the
pattern
was
also
very
influential
in
our
design
approach.
K
This
is
a
side-by-side
comparison
of
what
was
presented
before,
which
is
the
elevation
below,
and
what
we're
presenting
today,
as
you
can
see,
what
that
really.
The
the
difference
between
the
two
today
is
that
the
first
floor,
where
loft
two-story
loft
units
with
two
floors
above
which
are
the
section
with
the
brick
and
the
the
the
kind
of
a
repetitive
window
pattern.
The
fifth
floor
was
slightly
slightly
set
back
to
break
up
the
mass
of
the
building
at
that
center
of
the
of
the
block.
K
So
you
can
see
the
proposed
design
today,
we've
converted
the
loft
units
to
two-story
loft
units,
we've
made
them
into
single-story
units
and
we've
added
a
true
second
floor,
mainly
because
of
how
the
adjacent
structure
was
being
developed.
So,
but
the
window
pattern
is
the
same
with
the
exception,
also
that
the
windows
themselves
have
grown
to
allow
for
more
natural
light
into
the
space,
but
the
brick
fenestration
size
is
exactly
the
same
as
it
was
presented
before
materiality
also
is
exactly
the
same.
K
You
can
see
on
the
right
the
rendering
side-by-side
comparison
of
the
two
renderings
there.
Now
our
strategy
when
building
wing
b,
which
is
the
connecting
point
to
the
historic
structure
on
the
site,
we've
used
a
strategy.
That's
been
used
all
over
the
country
in
historic
districts
where
we
are
connecting
the
buildings
with
a
corridor.
That's
slightly
set
back.
The
building
is
also
set
offset
up
from
the
building
roughly
four
feet,
to
create
kind
of
the
illusion
of
two
uniquely
separate
structures,
even
though
they're
connected
at
the
rear.
K
Here
is
a
more
detailed
view
at
the
front
facade
again.
The
first
floor
is
still
taller
floors
for
14
feet
to
the
ceiling
of
that
first
floor.
So
it's
a
higher
still
remains,
and
so
the
approach
is
still
the
same.
It's
just
not
as
high
as
it
was
before.
I
think
it
was
up
something
about
20
22
feet
or
something
like
that,
and
you
can
see
how,
at
the
top,
we're
still
recessing
that
fifth
floor
again
to
break
up
that
mass.
K
K
It
is
still
stucco
as
we
did
before,
but
the
color
is
a
little
bit
different
and
we
also
saw
the
opportunity
to
add
balconies
mainly
because
this
north
facade
is
facing
what
would
be
a
lower
scale,
residential
neighborhood,
and
we
thought
that
made
it
a
little
bit
more
relatable
it
also.
We
don't
have
to
deal
with
the
encroachment
issues
and
being
that
it's
facing
north.
It
also
allowed
us
to
take
advantage
of
that
soft
and
older
line
as
well
for
each
unit.
K
Here's
a
closer
look
at
that
rear,
facade
and
a
wall
section.
So
you
can
see
how
this
juliet
balconies
are
designed
and,
as
we
had
talked
in
the
on
the
site
plan,
we
are
using
the
bottom
of
the
building
strategically
to
park
cars.
Again
we
have
a
very
restricted
site
with
so
we
we
took
advantage
of
that
and
we
have
covered
parking
underneath
that
first
floor
of
the
building.
K
This
is
really
just
to
show
that
wing
b
turns
the
corner
behind
the
the
wing
c,
building
we're
continuing
the
fenestration
and
the
materiality
and
all
that.
So
it's
not
just
a
blank
wall,
and
you
know
for
us
we're.
You
know.
This
is
a
good
slide,
because
we,
you
know
we're
really
trying
to
maintain
some
alignments
with
the
existing
buildings,
but
also
create
uniquely
different
facades
throughout
again,
it's
just
a
very
long,
very
long
street,
and
this
really
helped
out
helped
out
with
breaking
up
the
scale
throughout
the.
K
Project
we
can
see
the
in
the
middle,
you
have
wing
wing
c
and
b
in
context.
Obviously
the
existing
building
across
you
have
the
school,
which
is
a
similar
scale,
and
the
middle
section
of
the
new.
The
new
building
is
the
same
scale
as
the
coral
with
the
top
floor
set
back,
so
you
can
see
them
here,
really
in
context
material
board.
Again
we
have,
you,
know
black
windows.
This
is
exactly
the
same
as
it
was
reviewed
before
metal
railing
painted
black.
K
This
is
our
reference
for
selecting
the
material
on
materiality
of
the
project
and
to
the
left
is
an
existing
building
along
7th
avenue
on
now
to
wing
a
now.
This
is
a
totally
new
project
for
everyone,
or
at
least
portion
of
the
project
for
everyone,
and
you
can
see
wang
a
is
really
surrounded
by
a
number
of
vacant
properties
and
caddy
corner
to
it
to
the
southwest.
K
K
Being
that
we
can
go
60
feet,
we
wanted
to
make
sure
that
we
were
using
references
that
were
tall
buildings
within
the
district.
So
here
are
some
of
those
that
kind
of
dictated
some.
Some
of
the
designs
that
inform
some
of
the
design
decisions
that
we
made
throughout
and
here
highlighted,
are,
is
going
to
be
wing
a
just
for
reference
now
wing
a
we
again
being
that
is
caddy
corner
and
facing
the
port
of
tampa
and
the
warehouse
district
we're
using
a
window
pattern.
That's
more
indicative
of
that
approach,
because
it's
a
zero
lot
line.
K
You
know,
and
we
still
think
that
creating
or
having
balconies
is
very
important,
especially
in
florida,
but
we
didn't
want
to
create
further
encroachment
issues
there.
So
the
balconies
are
inset
the
building.
It
actually
gives
the
building
depth
rather
than
being
a
flat
facade.
So
we
have
one
that
kind
of
highlights
the
main
entrance
of
the
building
and
then,
as
you
turn
the
corner,
one
that
terminates
the
structure
itself,
you
can
see
here
a
little
bit
closer
detail
on
this
section.
K
How
that
all
plays
out
with
the
building
the
front
entrance
is
set
back
slightly
now
there
is
a
quite
a
bit
of
an
elevation
change
between
19th
and
angel
oliva.
So
you
see
that
reflected.
So,
as
you
come
into
the
lobby,
there
is
quite
a
bit
of
an
elevation
change,
roughly
three
feet
that
we
have
to
content
with
and
we
we
are
going.
We
we
have
started
the
encroachment
process,
so
we
will
have
two
awnings
along
third
avenue
for
the
both
for
both
entrances
of
both
lobbies.
K
There
is
a
combination
of
brick
and
stucco
throughout,
so
we
wanted
to
make
sure
that
we
were
also
relatable
to
what's
been
historically
done
in
the
building.
Sorry
in
the
district,
particularly
1621
east
4th
avenue
it's
within
three
blocks
of
this
project,
so
you
know
built
same
you
know
very
similar
building
five
stories,
stucco
structure
and
you
can
see
some
of
the
other
historic
structures
throughout
the
well
one
historic
structure
and
then
one
recently
completed
the
hotel
high
on
7th
avenue.
C
G
Moving
to
the
staff
report
section,
the
staff
finds
this
application
is
consistent
with
the
eboor
city
design
guidelines.
Initially,
when
we
worked
on
the
first
project,
we
focused
on
the
scale
and
massing
and
then
with
the
incorporation
of
the
additional
land.
We
continue
that
conversation
so
in
breaking
the
building
massing
vertical
and
horizontally
to
meet.
Our
criteria
was
achieved
as
presented
this
morning
under
conditions
on
your
staff
report.
On
page
four
and
page
five,
the
agent
was
working
on
the
final
solution
for
solid
waste.
G
If
he
could
address
that
a
little
bit
more
thoroughly,
once
we
get
into
question
and
answers,
I
he
did
adjust
that
there
was
an
encroachment
on
the
historic
building
that
has
already
been
discussed,
but
if
there's
any
additional
encroachments,
that
process
should
take
place
immediately.
It's
a
long
process
to
discuss
the
surface
parking
lots.
G
G
A
B
Yes,
thank
you
for
the
presentation
very
thorough
I
believe
you
talked
about.
I
can't
remember
they
were
mentioned
as
lots,
1,
2,
3
or
a
b
and
c,
but
the
third
lot,
that's
the
warehouse
for
the
news
for
parking
is
that
warehouse
is
staying
as
is,
and
it's
going
to
be
the
inside
used
for
parking
or
what's
this
yeah.
K
B
B
B
K
Yeah,
so
you
know
his
historical
historically
in
in
the
eboor
city.
District
landscaping
has
never
really
been
a
kind
of
a
focal
point,
but
we
we
think
it
is,
to
a
certain
extent
important,
especially
because
for
this
buildings,
particularly
in
the
middle
middle
section,
those
units
at
the
ground
level
are
going
to
directly
interface
with
the
public,
because
you
have
a
front
porch.
So
we
think
that
creating
a
small
buff
we
are
going
to
create
a
small
buffer
in
front
of
those
units.
There's
going
to
be
a
small
buffer.
K
K
We
have
to
work
out
some
details
with
our
civil
engineers
before
we
can
fully
detail
those
things
out,
but
I
think
that
those
are
those
are
components
that
I
think
we
can
really
work
out
with
with
the
staff
as
we
go
around
the
building
really
the
same
approach
and
then
the
fencing
material
for
the
for
the
corner
lot
on.
Fourth
and
angela
liba
would
be
a
combination
of
a
pilot
using
a
polyester
system
with
metal
fencing
in
between
and
then
like.
K
K
B
K
K
So,
where
the
windows
are
is
going
to
be
very
similar
to
to
this
wall
section
with
the
exception
that
the
the
top
floor
will
not
be
recessed.
So
this
is
the
wall
section
for
the
middle,
the
middle
building.
So
if
we
cut
a
wall
section
through
a
window
on
wing
a,
it
would
be
very
similar
to
this.
In
fact,
the
window
sizes
are
the
same.
It's
really
the
width,
that's
different,
and
then
the
top
floor
is
not
recessed.
K
And
really
we
with
the
section
that
we
showed
here,
which
oh
I'm
going
through
this
way,
the
section
that
we
showed
here
is
really
the
the
one
that's
significantly
different
from
anywhere
else
in
the
building,
which
is
at
the
main
entry
where
we
have
balconies
at
the
top
kind
of
highlights.
The
entrance
creates
creates
a
more
of
a
sense
of
entry,
and
so
we
and
then
we
have
a
an
awning
that
protrudes
we've
pushed
the
entry
back
so
that
the
awning
encroachment
is
not
as
significant.
K
K
C
C
K
C
K
K
We
had
some
issues
with
the
driveway
and
distance
from
angel
oliva,
so
we
had
to
switch
the
driveway
back
to
the
angel
oliva
site,
so
that
created
some
issues
with
the
location
of
the
waste
solid
waste
enclosure.
So
we
ended
up.
We
worked
through
with
with
transportation,
and
that
was
the
location
that
we
had
come
up
with.
That's
the
best
location
for
the
for
the
trash
bins
and
it
could
serve
as
a
utility
building
for
service,
and
you
know,
servicing
the
the
the
maintenance
and
all
those
things
as
well.
D
D
K
D
Separate
battle
to
work
out
with
this
city,
but
I
don't
see
that
happening
there,
so
these
windows,
previous
iteration,
you
had
basically
two
two
rows
of
windows.
They
appeared
larger,
but
you
said
they
were
the
same
size.
Now
that's
an
integrated
aluminum
window
with
you
know
where,
where
the
darkness
is
shown,
that's
like
a
solid
infill,
but
it's
all
one
masonry
opening.
If
you
will
right.
K
K
D
K
D
K
D
D
D
K
There's
multiple
things
that
we
have
to
content
with.
Obviously,
parking
is
a
big
one
at
the
rear
of
the
building,
and
so
we
we
really
have
to
find
the
kind
of
the
best
place
for
those
columns.
You
know
we
can't
we're
really
restricted
here.
You
know
not
only
with
the
dimensions
between
the
columns,
but
also
how
many
parking
spaces
we
can
fit
within
them
and
so
and
so
forth.
D
Okay,
yeah,
I
mean
that's
kind
of
what
I
assumed.
I
just
wanted
to
ask
that
question
because
that's
a
that's
a
nice
precedent,
I
mean,
I
think,
you're
you're
doing
what
you
can
there
to
carry
through
the
rhythm
of
that
historic
building.
I
think
all
three
buildings
really
relate
nicely.
You
know
to
what
you're
doing
there,
the
mechanical
building.
D
D
K
C
D
K
D
A
Thank
you
for
a
thorough
presentation.
I'd
like
to
ask
you
a
couple
more
questions:
can
can
you
bring
up
just
picking
up
on
that
solid
waste
portion?
Can
you
bring
that
up?
So
we
can
just
check
on
that
again
because
we
went
by
real
quick
in
terms
of
what
that
is,
because
I
didn't
pick
up
on
the
over
or
was
that.
Is
there
a
coiling
door
on
that?
One.
K
K
So
the
bottom,
the
west
elevation,
which
is
what
faces
angel
oliva,
has
the
coiling
door
and
we
are
proposing
between
the
the
the
pattern
of
the
polishers
proposing
a
kind
of
a
green
screen
to
soften
that
on
the
the
top
one,
the
east
elevation,
which
faces
the
parking
that's
the
park
in
our
parking
lot,
we're
still
carrying
that
green
screen
around
and
on
the
north
elevation,
which
actually
faces.
Fourth
avenue
again.
K
A
A
K
Right
here,
so
that
portion
you
see
in
the
elevation
that
really
carries
through
is
the
same.
This
kind
of
recess
back,
that's
kind
of
tucked
away
in
the
building,
and
you
don't
really
see
that
on.
You
don't
really
see
that
facade
unless
you're
standing
on
fourth,
and
really
only
from
the
third
floor
up,
so
we
didn't
see,
I
guess
I'm
not.
You
know,
I
don't
know
if
I'm
answering
your
question
or
not,
but
that's
the
building
wing
a
turns.
K
A
K
Yeah,
so
here
here
this
is
the
east,
so,
as
the
building
turns
around
from
the
west
north
and
then
east,
so
you
still
have
some
of
that
that
that
grayish
stucco,
then
you
would
bring
the
brick
back
up,
and
this
is
where
the,
where
the
the
second
means
of
egress,
the
stair
is
which
are
typically
kind
of
a
solid
volume.
So
we
added
the
brick
there
to
to
give
it
a
little
more
interest,
and
then
we
end
at
the.
K
A
G
A
You
resolve
the
the
corner
and
and
its
balcony
detailing
more
effectively
than
than
this
one,
because
I
think
that
by
tucking
it
back
and
making
that
brick
do,
that,
there's
there's
a
little
extra
tension
in
that
cornice
that
I
don't
think
would
you
wouldn't
have
that?
Typically,
historically,
I
I
don't
think.
But
can
you
go
to
the
other?
A
A
Yeah
so
on
the
west
elevation
you've,
you
kind
of
distinguished
you,
know
the
balcony
from
the
masonry
and
there
could
be
a
potential
there
to
change
how
that
front
works
too,
to
where
you
you
break
that
cornice,
but
or
pull
that
other
unit
out.
I'm
not
sure,
I'm
not
sure
what
the
solution
is
there,
but
it
looks
kind
of
tenuous
across
that
front
in
my
mind,
but
that's
that's
the
south
elevation
there.
I
wanted
to
see
how
that
worked.
K
A
K
No,
I
think
I
think
you
have
some
you
know
some.
You
know
just
really
your
comment
about
the
the
entrance
and
the
brick
at
the
top.
We
we
explored
multiple
options.
There
we
we
broke.
You
know
we
kind
of
stopped
the
the
the
corners
at
the
top
and
you
know
try
to
make
that
seem
more
as
its
own
volume
that
really
kind
of
made
the
building
look
a
little
strange
when
we
did
that
we've
eliminated.
K
That's
that
that
small
brick
banding
that
you
referred
to
as
well,
and
then
that
kind
of
looked
a
little
strange.
We
you
know
so
we've
looked
at
different
options.
I
think
that
there's
a
little
bit
of
room
room
for
improvement
there
and
we'll
definitely
be
looking
at
that.
But
just
you
know
we
just
wanted
to
let
you
know
we
did
explore
quite
a
bit
of
options
on
this
on
this
on,
particularly
on
that
entrance.
B
J
J
J
There's
a
southwest
and
a
northeast
lot
on
either
side
of
18th
street
that
are
dedicated
to
service
surface
parking
and
not
they're,
just
not
regular
lots,
they're
corner
lots
and
they're
in
the
center.
So
what
kind
of
pedestrian
experience?
What
kind
of
commercial
growth?
What
kind
of
anything
are
we
going
to
get
when
it's
available
to
put
it
down
there,
when
we're
using
lots?
J
D
Well,
I
think
I
think
you
know,
I
think
if
we
look
at
this-
and
I
mean
there's
really
six
parts
to
this
and
and
some
of
it
we
have
action
on
some.
We
don't
you
know
the
contributing
structure.
I
think
the
renovation
work.
There
is
fine.
I
like
the
renovations
to
to
wing
b
and
changing
that
up
and
I'll
probably
bring
legal
in
for
some
questions
later
of
hey.
What
kind
of
motion
are
we
actually
making
here?
Do
we?
You
know
what
are
we
wrapping
in
with
like
wing
b,
since
it's
already
got
a
ca?
D
Are
we
just
saying
it's?
Okay,
with
these
mods
and
then
you
know
making
a
motion
on
on
wing
a
as
a
new
ca,
but
I
think
overall,
I
think
you
know
the
spirit
of
the
project
works
and
the
precedents
are
picked
up.
I,
like
the
the
rhythm
of
these
elements
to
commissioner
schiller's
point
about
you
know
getting
too
dense.
It
seems
like
this
previous
iteration
went
through
some.
There
was
a
variance
request
to
reduce
a
number
of
parking
spaces.
You
guys
came
up
with
a
solution.
D
You
know,
based
on
these
yc
districts.
Parking
is
required
now,
if
you
do
something
like
this,
you
wouldn't
be
able
to
do
it
in
yc1,
but
you
know
if
we
look
at
the
same
situation
on
yc1,
there's
zero
parking
requirements.
So
it's
there's
some
inconsistencies
here
that
we're
trying
to
to
to
balance
here.
I
think
the
applicant
has
made
an
excellent
effort
to
incorporate
all
the
things,
including
the
parking.
I'm
not
you
know,
I'm
not
a
big
fan
of
having
the
parking
across
the
street.
D
I'd
rather
see
it
on
a
lot,
but
I
understand
why
you
did
that
and
I
think
that's
all
appropriate
for
for
the
size
of
this
project.
Is
it
getting
a
little
bit
too
big?
I
don't
know
I
mean
it's
a
full
block
project,
but
I
think
all
the
elements
are
there.
I
mean
you
break
down
the
block
into
three
different
parts.
You
know
based
on
the
contributing
structure,
the
rhythm
works.
Well,
the
height
works
well
you're,
certainly
within
your
means
of
what
you've
done
here.
D
You've
made
good
moves
with
recessing
the
windows
and
creating
the
brick
relief.
You
created
a
nice
plinth
and
a
nice
rhythm
to
the
product.
I,
like
the
project,
I
think
it's
very
solid
and
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
nice
setbacks
to
try
to
break
up
that
extended
length
of
the
block
through
setting
back
a
walk
of
bull
pedestrian.
I
D
D
A
Okay,
thank
you.
I
I
share
a
lot
of
the
sentiments
that
are
being
expressed.
I
think
the
project
is
nicely
scaled
nicely.
Proportioned
well
thought
out.
I
do
think
it's
it's
a
large
project,
it's
my
understanding
that
the
parking
that
you
have
on
these
corner-
lots
as
well
as
inboard
and
and
remote
are
all
controlled
by
the
owner.
A
So
in
the
case
that
you
know
this
project,
you
know
necessitates
or
or
makes
other
projects
near
it
on
these
lots
possible
or
desirable,
there's
a
market-based
incentive
for
them
to
figure
out
where
that
parking
goes
in
order
to
relocate
it.
It's
it's
part
of
the
project,
we're
not
asking
for
any
variances
here
in,
what's
being
presented
just
an
overall
ca
for
for
the
project
and
its
parking
arrangements.
A
So
I
think
that
you
know,
I
think,
that
the
property
and
its
value
will
sort
itself
out
over
those
20
or
30
years
and
the
parking
will,
you
know,
probably
move
to
adjust,
maybe
into
a
future
lot
of
some
development
or
some
kind
of
parking
structure.
But
I
think
that
I
think
the
market
will
sort
that
portion
out
and
by
playing
by
all
the
rules
that
are
currently
in
place
and
not
asking
for
a
variance.
A
I
think
that
you
know
it's
important
to
have
those
considerations
in
in
hand,
but
ultimately,
the
the
owner
and
applicant
have
the
ability
to
step
forward
and
ask
for
what
they're
asking
for,
and
I
think
that
they're
asking
for
it
in
a
fairly
well-packaged
presentation
and
something
that's
going
to
be
an
asset
to
the
to
the
district.
So
I
think
that
we
need
to
figure
out
what
kind
of
motion
we
want
is
there
anything
we
want
to
see
again.
A
Is
there
anything
that
we
want
to
condition
to
give
staff
the
kind
of
the
the
bullet
points
that
we're
interested
in
so
that
when
it
when
it
is
constructed,
we're
happy
with
the
outcome
so
I'll
leave
it
to
somebody
to
make
a
motion
to
figure
out.
How
do
we
turn
this
project
over
in
terms
of
in
terms
of
developing
emotion,
at
least.
F
Camaria
pedestal
from
the
city
attorney's
office
just
for
clarification
purposes.
This
is
a
request
for
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
the
five-story
residential
building
in
insight
improvements.
So
it
would
include
what
he's
the
little
modifications
that
he
improved,
or
you
know
suggestions
and
mr
villa
you
wanna.
Do
you
wanna
reiterate.
G
Yeah
to
elaborate
on
what
mario
was
leading
towards
is
when
we
first
reviewed
this
project.
There
was
suspension,
changes
to
the
approval
that
was
already
granted
so,
instead
of
taking
that
upon
administratively
and
just
looking
at
the
additional
footprint,
we
thought
it
was
important
to
come
back
to
the
board
in
totality
to
look
at
the
complete
project,
so
you're,
looking
at
the
rehabilitation
to
the
historic
building
for
all
the
new
construction.
G
A
We're
getting
there
we're
close,
is
there
okay,
I
mean?
Is
there
any
other
discussion
among
commissioners
to
to
try
to
determine
if
you
know
if
this
is
something
that
we're
going
to
put
forward
as
a
final
as
a
preliminary?
What
conditions
are
we
interested
in?
How
can
we
guide
staff
if
we're
going
to
in
order
to
continue
to
shepherd
the
project
to
completion.
D
G
G
E
A
A
D
Yeah,
I
mean,
I
think
the
presentation
in
general
is,
you,
know,
thorough
and
addresses
all
our
concerns.
We
didn't.
You
know
specifically
talk
about
lot
2,
but
permanent
notes.
There's
no
changes
to
that.
So
I
think
you
know,
as
you
know,
camila
and
ron
talked
about.
This
is
all
holistic
totality.
This
is
the
new
ca
that
will
govern
the
whole
project
for
all
three
three
parts
of
the
building
and
three
parking
lots.
D
D
A
A
Staff
see
that
and
say
yes,
that's
a
good
door,
not
I
mean
I
would
imagine
they're
gonna
devote
as
little
capital
to
that
as
possible
to
you
know,
get
the
get
the
parking
there
that
you
need
and
then
you
know,
look
for
opportunities.
You
know
in
the
site
and
other
amenities
to
you
know
spend
some
of
that
money.