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A
A
On
now
also
present
with
us
today
is
our
staff,
elaine
lund,
dennis
fernandez
and
our
legal
representation
camara
mario
pettis
mackel.
A
I
don't
recognize
her
behind
that
mouse.
Pursuant
to
our
agenda,
we
have
the
ex
next
is
the
acceptance
of
our
meeting
minutes
from
tuesday
december
21st
our
last
meeting?
A
F
Good
morning,
commissioners,
dennis
fernandez,
architects,
review
and
historic
preservation
manager
welcome
to
our
first
meeting
of
the
year
just
a
couple
of
brief
announcements.
First
of
all,
if
you
haven't
already
added
the
dates
to
your
schedule,
the
2022
hpc
commission
schedule
is
in
your
packets.
If
you'd
like
an
electronic
version
of
that,
let
us
know
we
will
send
you
one,
but
those
dates
in
both
blue
and
green
should
be
notated
on
your
personal
calendars
as
potential
hearing
dates.
F
Of
course,
sometimes
they
have
to
be
adjusted
depending
on
issues
and
application
schedules.
I
did
want
to
let
you
know
that
you
do
have
a
new
parking
pass
in
your
packets.
If
you
parked
in
fort
brook
this
morning,
you
may
have
noticed
a
new
parking
system.
So
if
you
need
any
coaching
on
that,
please
let
me
know-
and
I
will
help
you
through
it,
but
it's
very
similar
to
the
previous
system
that
was
in
place
with
that.
B
Good
morning,
commissioners,
kamaria
pettis
mackel
from
the
city
attorney's
office.
Will
the
commissioners
please
state
whether
or
not
they
have
any
conflicts
of
interest
regarding
the
items
that
are
on
the
agenda
this
morning,
hearing
none
for
the
record.
Additionally,
will
the
commissioners
please
state
whether
or
not
they've
had
any
ex
parte
communication
regarding
any
of
the
items
on
the
agenda?
B
Well,
thank
you!
So
much
and
just
as
a
reminder
with
us
all
wearing
our
mask.
If
you
could
try
as
hard
as
possible
to
speak
loudly
into
the
microphone,
because,
obviously
the
mask
creates
an
additional
barrier,
so
I'm
sure
our
I.t
department
would
appreciate
us
trying
to
speak
as
loud
as
possible.
Thank
you.
So
much.
F
F
And
with
that,
we
are
ready
for
our
first
case,
which
is
the
stovall
house.
Local
historic,
landmark,
designation
and
elaine
will
lead
that
presentation.
G
G
The
original
owners,
the
the
truesdale
family,
had
an
interest
in
poultry
farming,
and
you
can
see
here
on
this
early
sanborn
map,
all
the
little
yellow
those
indicate
wood
frame
structures
and
the
dashed
lines
so
that
they
were
open
air.
So
these
were
all
the
the
poultry
houses
that
mrs
truesdale
used
to
house
her
her
chickens.
G
She
was
a
competitive,
poultry,
raiser
and
a
big
advocate
and
judge
at
the
florida
state.
Fair.
The
red
line
on
the
map
indicates
the
current
boundaries
of
the
stovall
house
property,
and
you
can
see
in
the
center
of
that
the
the
stovall
house
as
it
stood.
Then
the
1931
sanborn
map
indicates
just
the
the
area
that
is
in
red
there.
That
is
the
present
property.
Today,
the
remainder
of
the
property
had
been
subdivided
and
sold
off
by
the
truesdales
before
it
was
purchased
by
wallace
s
duvall
in
1915..
G
Excuse
me,
the
sanborn
maps
give
us
a
lot
of
information
about
the
buildings
there,
and
you
can
see
that
the
house
is
shown
primarily
in
yellow,
which
meant
means
that
it
was
constructed
from
wood
and
then
the
red
outline
around
the
the
exterior
wall
of
the
house
and
the
little
notation
that
says,
v-e-n
apostrophe
d
means
that
it's
veneered
in
brick.
G
The
d
on
this
on
the
the
house
indicates
that
it's
a
dwelling,
there's
a
two
showing
that's
two
stories
and
the
dashed
line
going.
All
the
way
around
the
house
in
yellow
indicates
the
open
porch
that
surrounded
the
house.
G
There
are
also
a
couple
of
out
buildings
shown
a
both
constructed
out
of
wood,
there's
a
little
bit
of
blue
on
one
of
them,
they're
the
further
one
to
the
south,
showing
that
it
was
veneered
in
concrete
block
and
then
the
adjacent
structure
veneered
in
brick.
G
G
So,
as
I
noted,
this
duval
house
was
constructed
in
1909
as
the
home
of
logan
and
florence
truesdale.
Mr
truesdale
was
a
sales
manager
for
the
florida
brewing
company.
Originally
he
moved
here
as
the
representative
sales
rep
for
the
chattanooga
brewing
company,
but
soon
thereafter
became
the
the
manager
for
the
the
local
brewery.
G
By
1915,
the
truesdales
had
moved
on,
they
maintained
the
residence
for
a
couple
of
years
and
rented
it
out
to
some
very
notable
families,
but
they
were
able
to
sell
it
in
1915
to
wallace
duvall
wallace
duvall
was
a
newspaper
man,
the
founder
and
editor
and
publisher
of
the
tampa
tribune.
G
Wallace
duvall
was
also
interested
in
real
estate
and
once
he
became
less
involved
in
the
newspaper,
and
he
became
a
little
more
involved
in
real
estate
constructing
some
of
the
buildings
that
were
to
make
a
strong
and
make
up
a
strong
component
of
tampa's
downtown
skyline
on
the
left.
Here
you
see
a
page
from
the
newspaper
from
1926.
G
G
G
The
columns
were
reused
in
another
portion
of
the
property,
but
the
house
did
maintain
its
neoclassical
form,
including
the
colossal
columns,
the
strong
impediment
over
the
two-story
entryway
and
the
oculus
in
that
pediment.
G
Moving
around
the
sides
of
the
stovall
house,
we
see
it
from
the
north
and
west
sides
from
the
south
and
west
sides
and
then
the
the
rear
the
photo
on
the
right
there,
and
just
so.
You
have
an
idea
of
where
these
pictures
were
taken
on
the
property.
It's
just
a
photo
key,
showing
you
the
different
angles
of
the
pictures.
There
give
you
a
better
idea
of
what
you're
looking
at.
G
There
are
other
buildings
on
the
property,
one
being
the
greenhouse
which
had
been
previously
constructed
under
a
different
owner
under
a
different
owner
than
the
one
now
and
the
greenhouse
was
relocated
as
part
of
the
current
work
done
to
the
property.
So
it
now
sits
in
the
front
of
the
property
but
does
not
obscure
the
the
stovall
house
from
view.
G
The
other
buildings
on
the
property
now
include
the
orangery,
which
is
a
sort
of
a
a
restaurant
and
a
guest
house
towards
the
rear
of
the
property.
G
G
So
when
the
stovall
house
llc
was
able
to
purchase
the
property
for
its
use,
there
was
some
rehabilitation
work
necessary
to
bring
the
house
up
to
code
for
its
new
purpose.
However,
for
the
most
part,
the
house
was
in
excellent
condition.
These
are
just
some
shots,
showing
you
the
exterior,
the
the
north
porch.
Sorry,
this
is
the
south
porch
on
the
left
and
the
entrance
into
the
house
from
the
porcher
and
then
that
entry
space,
once
you
come
in
through
that
door,.
G
G
The
stovall
house
was
listed
in
the
national
register
of
historic
places
in
1974..
It's
significant
in
the
area
of
communications,
under
national
register
criterion
b
and
in
the
area
of
architecture
under
national
register
criterion
c.
The
building
was
constructed
and
achieved
its
significance
during
the
period
of
his
significance
as
established
in
the
nomination.
G
Pursuant
to
these
guidelines,
therefore,
this
duval
house
meets
the
requirements
of
the
city
of
tampa
code
of
ordinances,
section
27
257
for
landmark
designation,
and
these
sections
are
called
out
for
you
in
the
presentation
here
section
27,
257
a1
is
the
the
requirement
for
the
date
of
construction.
It
was
constructed
circa,
1909.
G
Section
27,
257
a2
lists
the
credit,
the
significance
criteria
that
we
look
at
so
under
a2
the
national
register
criterion
b.
It
was
significant
of
the
home
of
wallace
estoval
and
under
a23
or
al
also
known
as
national
register
criterion.
C,
it's
significant
for
being
an
excellent
example
of
the
neoclassical
style.
G
E
Good
morning,
commissioners,
my
name
is
tyler.
Hudson,
I'm
an
attorney
with
the
law,
firm,
gardner,
brewer,
hudson
and
my
address
is
400.
North
ashley
drive
I'd
like
to
thank
elaine
dennis
ron
beverly
everyone
for
their
work
on
this
project.
This
actually
started
back
in
2018,
even
as
early
as
2017,
which
time
has
gone
by
quite
quickly.
Fortunately,
this
is
much
more
of
a
architecture
driven
process
than
a
legally
driven
process,
and
so
mercifully
I'm
going
to
pass
things
over
to
saul
self-leishman,
fleischmann,
garcia,
who's,
the
project
architect,
who
brought
this
to
life.
H
H
We
added
we
removed
a
family
room
that
had
been
added
on
years
ago.
That
was
not
contributing
and
there
was
some
openings
that
went
into
the
family
room
from
the
butler's
pantry,
the
former
kitchen,
that
we
put
a
new
window
and
a
new
door.
So
fortunately
we
didn't
touch
the
front
or
the
sides
that
were
visible
from
bay
shore,
so
any
rehabilitation
was
very
minor.
H
Can
you
see
we?
We
arranged
a
with
a
central
axis
and
we
have
a
linear
water
feature
and
we
moved
the
greenhouse
which
was
purchased
in
the
1980s
by
harry
teasley
in
in
england
and
had
shipped
over,
and
he
had
it
assembled,
and
it
was
originally
back
here
on
the
property
and
it
was
really
a
tour
de
force.
H
A
A
I
had
one
question
one
question
and
one
comment:
the
landmarking
is
specifically
only
for
the
historic
house
and
not
the
entire
property.
Is
that
what
we're
looking
at
here.
F
Hi
dennis
fernandez,
architecture,
review
and
historic
preservation
manager
in
accordance
to
code
landmark
structure
designation,
must
include
its
site,
so,
although
the
entire
site
will
be
landmarked,
only
the
historic
structure
will
be
contributing
to
the
site.
So
if,
for
instance,
in
the
future,
someone
wanted
to
construct
a
building
in
front
of
the
stovall
house
that
would
have
to
go
through
a
review
process
with
the
architecture
review
commission
if
it
was
just
the
structure,
just
the
physical
boundaries
of
the
structure
then
what's
occurring
around
it
wouldn't
have
any
type
of
oversight.
B
Camarilla
pettis
mackel
from
the
city
attorney's
office.
I
think,
if
you
focus
just
on
how
it's
before
the
board,
you
will
be
fine
because
that's
a
separate
process,
as
mr
fernandez
just
stated.
But
if
you
just
depending
on
how
the
board
wants
to
make
a
motion,
your
emotion
will
encompass
the
matter.
That's
before
it.
C
That's
good,
I
have
a
follow-up
to
that.
So
where
does
it?
Where
will
it
say
what
you
indicated,
mr
fernandez,
that
if
somebody
is
going
to
change
the
new
building,
the
newer
buildings
that
those
won't
go
through
the
process
or
if
somebody
does
something
in
front
of
what?
If
it's,
what
if
in
some
other
way
it
affects
it
or
is
perceived
to
affect
the
historic
building?
Where
will
it
say
that,
in
the
adopting
ordinance.
F
Correct
within
the
ordinance,
it
will
place
the
property's
regulation
and
oversight
before
the
architecture
review.
Commission,
that's
in
the
ordinance
and
it's
within
the
code
as
well.
C
F
I
mean
within
the
designation
report
and
specifically
on
page
four,
it
will
call
out
the
number
of
contributing
and
non-contributing
buildings.
All
structures
within
a
designated
site
are
reviewed
regardless
if
they're,
contributing
or
non-contributing.
F
New
construction
or
non-contributing
structures
can
be
demolished
and
modified
more
liberally
as
long
as
they
don't
adversely
affect
the
historic
character
of
the
contributing
building,
and
that's
one
element
that
you
will
need
to
specify
upon
motion
making
is
that
the
the
guiding
principles
for
this
particular
property
will
be
the
secretary
of
the
interior
standards
for
the
treatment
of
historic
properties,
because
that
becomes
the
essentially
the
rule
book
for
determining
appropriate
approaches
to
preservation
and
new
construction
of
the
site.
F
It's
a
little
different
than
a
historic
district,
where
you
have
a
set
of
design
guidelines
for
landmark
structures.
We
rely
upon
the
secretary
of
the
endearing
standards.
A
I
would
also
just
simply
like
to
point
out
that,
under
the
criteria
b,
in
addition
to
the
owner
of
the
original
structure
and
his
importance
in
the
city
of
tampa,
the
architect
was
also
an
extraordinarily
important
person
in
the
early
history
of
tampa
and
has
done
a
number
of
significant
structures
still
remaining
throughout
the
city.
Francis
canard
and
we'd.
Also,
I
think
like
to
make
that
point
as
part
of
the
substantiation
for
its
historic
recognition.
B
So
I
have
a
question
regarding
the
the
house
itself
and
whether
the
changes
on
it
affected
the
contributing
factors
of
the
house
like
the
the
brick
being
covered
over
and
stuck
it
over
and
then
the
porch
being
removed.
So
how
much
of
that
would
affect
the
actual
contributing
architectural
aspects
of
the
house?.
F
A
Well,
I,
for
one
would
like
to
applaud
the
owner
and
the
the
team
here
representing
the
owner
for
making
this
move
to
landmark
this
structure.
It's
extremely
important,
I
think,
to
maintain
what
structures
residential
structures
there
are
left
on
bayshore
boulevard,
regardless
of
whether
they
are
in
the
hyde
park
district
or
not,
and
I
applaud
your
effort
in
this
and
and
I
support
your
application
for
landmark
status
and
if
there
are
no
other
comments
or
remarks
from
the
commissioners.
May
I
ask
for
a
motion.
E
A2
for
its
association
with
you
know
today:
well,
that's
the
do.
We
need
the
the
local
ordinance
or
the
national
register
criteria.
E
A
F
Good
morning,
once
again,
commissioners
dennis
fernandez,
architects,
review
and
historic
preservation
manager.
This
has
been
an
item
that
has
been
being
periodically
updated
for
your
information
to
to
demonstrate
the
progress
and
eligibility
of
two
applications
that
we
received
to
consider.
Expansion
of
the
hyde
park,
local
historic
district,
and
I
believe
we
wanted
to
begin
with
a
powerpoint
to
orient
you
if
we
can
bring
that
up.
A
E
F
Okay,
so
once
again,
there
is
a
proposal
to
expand
the
highly
established
hyde
park,
local
historic
district,
and
this
presentation
has
a
goal
of
sort
of
bringing
you
up
to
date
and
giving
us
some
next
steps
that
need
to
occur.
If
the
commission
feels
appropriate
to
do
so,.
F
F
F
The
existing
district
has
obviously
both
contributing
and
non-contributing
structures
within
it.
Those
are
that
are
historic
and
those
that
are
essentially
either
new
construction
outside
the
period
of
historic
significance
or
have
been
altered
to
a
point
where
they
no
longer
reflect
their
historic
character.
There
are
834
contributing
structures
and
389
non-contributing
structures
within
the
local
boundaries.
F
It's
obviously
very
weighted
towards
the
initiation
of
the
designation,
which
requires
a
significant
amount
of
research
and
outreach,
and
we've
been
somewhat
living
in
that
world,
for
you
know
about
a
year
now
with
the
different
steps
that
need
to
occur
during
that
that
phase.
F
There
are
several
neighborhood
associations
within
the
local
historic
district.
The
two
that
have
submitted
applications
for
consideration
of
the
expansion
are
the
historic
hyde
park,
neighborhood
association
and
the
hyde
park.
Spanish
town,
creek,
civic
association
and
staff
has
been
engaged
with
both
those
associations
on
both
outreach
efforts
and
attending
association
meetings
to
answer
questions
and
provide
information,
and
we
did
speak
to
both
association
presidents
yesterday,
just
to
let
them
know,
we
were
going
to
be
discussing
this
topic
today.
F
The
study
area
that
we've
been
focusing
in
on
as
a
staff
has
been
mainly
the
boundaries
of
the
national
registered
district
that
actually
extends
beyond
the
protective
boundaries
of
the
local,
historic
district
and
because
those
boundaries
have
been
in
place
since
the
1980s
and
these
areas
have
been
subject
to
tremendous
amounts
of
redevelopment.
F
So
during
the
1931
sanborn
map
here
which
predated
the
obviously
the
introduction
of
the
leroy
salmon
crosstown
expressway,
you
see
the
neighborhood
much
in
the
same
composition
that
we
enjoy
the
hyde
park
neighborhood
today,
consisting
of
mainly
a
mixture
of
residential
and
commercial
structures,
most
of
which
were
built
either
at
the
late
19th
or
early
20th
century.
In
a
variation
of
architectural
styles
of
the
period
you
see
mainly
composed
of
wood
frame
construction,
but
dotted
mainly
for
the
commercial
buildings
with
either
brick
or
concrete
block
construction.
F
This
is
a
working
map
of
the
original
inventory.
There
was
different
categories
of
structures,
both
contributing
non-contributing.
There
was
also
a
contributing
altered
category
which
eventually
was
absorbed
into
the
contributing.
That's
obviously,
it's
important
to
have
definitive
classifications
when
you're
dealing
with
historic
preservation
and
the
regulatory
effect
of
local
historic
districts.
F
F
F
You
can
see
that
the
structures
range
from
you
know
very
significant
to
somewhat
modest.
The
area
constituted
a
area
of
the
city
that
had
a
number
of
very
influential
and
affluent
families
that
had
residences
and
businesses
to
modest
homes
of
that
composed
the
area
of
dobieville
as
well.
Portioned
adobeville.
F
See
the
different
types
of
buildings
within
the
study
area,
these
south
of
the
crosstown,
you
know
dealing
with
commercial
buildings
and
then
various
residential
cottages
and
bungalows.
F
Some
of
the
newer
construction
that's
been
introduced
over
the
years
the
area,
one
of
the
reasons
that
the
area
is
under
such
tremendous
development
pressure
is
that
the
underlying
zoning
accommodates
multi-family
uses,
which
is
a
disincentive
to
preservation
and
that
single-family
structures
are
sitting
on
parcels
with
a
higher
type
of
development
potential
and
ultimately
can
be
detrimental
to
their
existence.
F
F
F
So
if
we
look
at
the
same
area,
we
see
now,
including
the
entire
study
area,
the
contributing
structures
are
about.
40
percent,
which
is
114,
is
that
number
versus
the
non-contributing
structures
which
are
at
171.,
so
that
percentage
has
somewhat
flipped
from
a
contributing
advantage
to
a
non-contributing.
F
F
So
breaking
the
area
down
into
somewhat
of
manageable
segments.
We
wanted
to
provide
you
some
of
the
percentages,
as
you
consider
boundary
options,
and
we
have
obviously
a
sort
of
a
recommendation
on
that
at
the
appropriate
time
for
discussion,
but
you
see
the
segment
above
the
crosstown.
If
you
isolate
that
the
parcels
have
somewhat
been
combined
in
that
area.
So,
while
the
property
itself
may
constitute
a
single
classification,
could
be
a
several
parcels
that
compose
that
particular
calculation.
So
you
know
we
see
23
contributing
structures
and
34.
F
You
see
in
the
green
area,
the
shaded
area,
which
is
probably
the
highest
in
content
and
number
there's
a
42
percent
contributing
calculation,
90
contributing
and
126
non-contributing
as
we
move
towards
the
east.
Once
we
get
to
hyde
park
avenue,
we
noticed
a
significant
diminishment
in
contributing
buildings,
there's
just
one
contributing
building
in
there.
F
Most
of
that
historically
didn't
have.
A
lot
of
density
was
sort
of
supportive
to
the
proximity
to
the
river
and
it
has
primarily
been
had
been
vacant,
land
or
non-contributing
structures,
even
in
the
prior
national
register
nomination.
F
F
The
non-contributing
number
would
be
515
with
a
64
total,
which
is
still
very
impressive
for
a
historic
district,
usually
if
you're
getting
above
60
contributing
structures.
That's
you
know
the
threshold
that
is
considered
to
be
substantial.
F
So
since
we
last
met
in
september,
we
attended
a
neighborhood
meeting
at
the
kate
jackson
park.
There
was
about
40
to
45
residents
of
this
area
who
participated
in
that
discussion.
We
gave
sort
of
a
similar
presentation
a
little
bit
more
focused
on.
You
know
what
it
means
to
be.
You
know
to
be
a
property
owner
in
historic
district
as
well,
so
that
was
well
attended.
F
In
order
to
have
this
on
the
agenda
for
your
consideration
today,
and
essentially,
the
staff
feels
at
this
time
that
we've
done
adequate
amount
of
outreach
and
answering
questions
and
that
the
next
appropriate
step
would
be
to
notice
this
formally
under
the
code
to
the
area
to
an
area
within
the
subject
area
and
consider
a
recommendation
to
city
council
for
an
expansion,
if
you
so
deem
appropriate.
F
F
It
is
a
publicly
noticed
process,
so
we
would
be
sending
out
letters
to
individuals
within
both
the
study
area
and
the
local
historic
district,
indicating
that
a
potential
change
to
the
boundaries
is
going
to
be
discussed
and
we
would
be
posting
signs
throughout
the
neighborhood
as
well.
I
do
want
to
leave
some
room
within
the
time
frame
to
accommodate
another
public
meeting,
because
once
we
send
out
those
letters
we'll
get
a
higher
degree
of
engagement
based
on
that
activity.
F
So
with
that
said,
I
think
you
know
a
a
meeting
within
you
know.
At
least
60
to
90
days
out
would
be
appropriate.
F
If
the
commission
determines
that
it,
it
wishes
to
recommend
expansion,
then
it
would
place
and
motion
the
other
requirements
of
that
which
would
be
a
recommendation
by
the
hillsborough
county
city,
county
planning
commission,
as
well
as
two
hearings
before
city
council,
all
of
which
would
be
noticed
so
for
today's
discussion.
We
kind
of
wanted
to
give
you
a
couple
of
things.
To
focus
on.
F
One
would
be
a
preferred
boundary
option
that
would
help
us
in
focusing
in
our
efforts
on
any
additional
outreach
and,
of
course,
noticing
that
we
would
need
to
do,
and
then
the
second
part
of
that
discussion
would
be
determining
an
appropriate
date
and
time
for
the
hearing
for
a
formal
recommendation
to
city
council
that
provides.
That
concludes
my
overview
and
I'm
available
for
any
questions
that
you
may
have.
F
You
know,
there's
a
that's
a
difficult
question
to
answer,
because
often
it's
not
just
quantity,
it's
quality
that
is
considered.
I
would
say,
generally
you
know
looking
at
historic
districts
that
are
similar
to
hyde
park.
You
know
you're
going
to
see
55
to
60
percent
as
the
number
that
they
usually
fall
within.
F
You
know
most
of
the
districts
in
in
our
city,
fortunately
or
above
60.
If
we
were
going
to,
you
know
somewhat
add
a
number
of
structures
that
would
bring
you
know
the
percentage
to
below
50
or
below
60.
Excuse
me,
I
would
be
cautious
about
that,
but
the
code
doesn't
specify
a
particular
threshold.
A
C
There
in
any
of
these
three
areas,
are
there
any
national
register
or
local
landmarks
that
have
already
been
designated
or
that
you,
we
think,
might
be
worthy.
F
So
south
of
the
crosstown
we
have
the
seabold
bakery
building,
which
is
the
the
structure
there
sort
of
the
green
structures
in
the
center
of
the
the
slide
and
then
to
the
upper
right
hand
corner
of
the
the
light
green
shading.
F
That
is
also
a
local
landmark,
is
the
peter
knight
cottage.
F
So
so
those
two
are
those
two
are
locally
landmarked.
The
entire
area
is
in
the
national
register
district,
I'm,
I
don't
recall
any
individually
listed,
but
you
know
the
district
itself
is
listed
now.
One
thing
we
we
were,
you
know
I
I
want
to
kind
of
stress.
Is
you
know
if
we
chose
a
path
during
your
discussion
that
we,
you
know
perhaps
focused
on
only
a
segment
or
segments
of
what
we
have
highlighted
here,
doesn't
mean
that
we
can't
try
to
create
another
vehicle
by
which
those
properties
are
protected.
F
So
we
could
look
at
perhaps
doing
a
multiple
properties
designation.
You
know,
there's
some
very
significant
properties
across
from
the
university
tampa
campus
on
kennedy.
Boulevard
that
are,
you
know,
would
all
qualify
for
a
local
landmark
designation.
Just
a
matter
of
you
know,
putting
efforts
and
getting
the
support
of
the
owners
for
that.
C
F
He
does
a
recent
construction.
You
know,
according
to
the
property
appraiser's
office,
there's
other
non-contributing
structures
in
there.
But
there's
only
I
mean
there's,
you
know,
apartment
complexes
with
dozens
and
dozens
of
of
residences
in
there
they're.
You
know
eight
stories
tall
that
doesn't
capture
that
within
the
map,
but
there's
only
one
contributing
building.
There's
a
publix
in
that
area.
There's
some
commercial
businesses.
A
F
A
Thank
you
dennis
and
we'll
look
forward
to
seeing
how
this
progresses
into
the
next
phases
of
its
development.
F
So,
just
from
a
procedural
standpoint,
we
are
looking
for
a
motion
at
today's
hearing
to
establish
when
we
would
be
bringing
this
back
to
you
for
formal
recommendations.
So
if
you,
if
you
don't
mind,
I
have
a
couple
options
for
you
to
talk
about.
Okay,
first
of
all,
I'll
say
that,
for
these
types
of
meetings,
I've
found
through
past
experience
that
we
can
get
a
larger
number
of
people
attending
more
engagement
by
doing
them
in
the
evening,
as
opposed
to
9
a.m
on
a
tuesday
morning.
F
Secondly,
I
think
a
couple
possible
dates
that
we
have
that
we
already
have
the
room
secured,
which
is
important
for
having
these
meetings
would
be
march,
15th
or
april.
The
12th
we
could
look
at
may
that
starting
to
be
quite
a
ways
out,
but
I
I
you
know
originally,
I
had
march
targeted,
but
with
the
recent
health
situation
that
we're
in
you
know,
I
think
it's
a
little
unpredictable.
F
You
know
with
that
date
still
and
for
a
in-person
meeting
without
a
virtual
component,
which
is
what
we
are
able
to
provide.
I
think
it's
important
to
have
a
level
of
comfort
comfort
about
the
environment
as
well.
So
I
think
any
of
those
you
know
the
march
the
april
or
the
may
dates,
I
think,
are
all
viable
dates.
F
We
would
just
want
to
be
able
to
identify
which
date
it
is
so
that
we
can
properly
plan
noticing,
because
it's
going
to
be
a
very
large
and
costly
process
to
notice
these
areas
for
the
staff
any
preferences
to
those
dates.
I
know
there's
spring
break
and
whatnot
in
there
on
march.
Sometimes
that
can
affect
availability.
F
F
I
would
yeah
I
would
you
know,
I
think
what
I'm
looking
for
is,
if
you're
feeling
that
an
area
definitely
would
not
be
part
of
the
discussion
to.
Let
us
know
that
now,
because
it
would
affect
how
we
notice
we
have
to
notice
250
feet
from
our
boundary
line.
So
obviously,
if
we're
talking
about
the
crosstown
as
a
boundary
line,
that's
going
to
be
very
different
than
talking
about
kennedy
boulevard
as
a
boundary
line.
C
E
F
A
F
F
F
Just
to
to
notice
for
publicly
notice
for
that
date.
F
And
for
that
meeting
just
so,
the
staff
can
have
an
understanding
of
what
the
desire
of
the
board
is.
Did
you
have
any
preference
on
boundaries
at
this
time?
You
obviously
can't
this
is
just
a
discussion.
We
can't
determine
boundaries,
because
this
is
not
a
noticed
hearing
and
that's
in
that
capacity,
but
we
can
certainly
have
an
understanding
of
what
area
will
be
targeting
at
the
april
hearing.
F
The
district-
I
I
you
know
in
conversations
with
the
you
know
those
neighborhood
leaders.
I
don't
believe
that
they
anticipate
expanding
beyond
the
crosstown,
there's
different
opinions
on
where
that
northern
boundary
should
be.
I
think
you
know
we
at
a
certain
point.
We're
gonna
become
empirical
and
look
at
what
makes
the
most
sense
planning
wise
and
preservation-wise,
but
I
think
everyone
understands
that
the
area
north
of
the
crosstown
has
been
highly
impacted
through
very
intensive
redevelopment.
F
Well,
as
you
get
north
of
the
crosstown,
you
get
away
from
even
residential
type
zoning
you
get
more
into
commercial
and
planned
development.
Zoning
categories,
large
institutional
zonings
like
the
university
and
tampa
general
hospital
on
you-
know
large
segments
of
land
in
there.
So
it's
a
different
vehicle.
I
I
think
you
know
in
the
1980s
it
would
have
made
tremendous
sense
to
include
this
in
the
local
district.
There
were
obviously
reasons
I
don't
I
mean
I
can
surmise
what
they
were,
but
I
don't
I
wasn't
there
for
that.
F
So
you
know
they
didn't
include
that
area
in
there
it's
only
gotten
more
intense
and
less.
F
You
know
less
populated
with
historic
structures
since
then,
so
you
know,
in
my
opinion,
that
area
would
be
more
appropriate
for
a
multiple
properties
listing
and
not
inclusion
into
a
local
historic
district,
where
it's
probably
not
practical
to
to
make
that
leap.
At
this
time.
F
Think
you
know,
I
think
part
of
this
is
practical
approaches
and
how
you
justify
expansion
of
a
district
and
when
you're
in
areas
that
you
know
really
lack
any
contributing
structures.
Your
argument
somewhat
is
undermined.
I
think
you
know
if
we're
looking,
which
we
will
talk
more
about
in
april,
is
about
you
know
why
you
know.
Why
should
this
happen?
Why
should
a
district
be
expanded?
F
You
know
one.
Obviously,
one
component
is
the
preservation
of
historic
structures,
but
the
other
component
is,
you
know,
a
need
to
provide
somewhat
of
a
protective
area
around
the
periphery
of
a
local,
historic
district
as
well.
Where
you
don't
have
you
know
adverse
impacts
happening
by
proximity,
because
someone
can
build
a
very
intense
structure
across
the
street.
You
know:
we've
already
seen
this
area
developed
out,
it's
pretty
much
developed
out
to
most
of
its
potential
so
that
that
that
effect
is
pretty
much
in
place.
F
E
F
I
can
tell
you
they
won't
because
you
know
they've
they've
asked
for
demolition
in
the
past.
It's
it's
a
matter
of
you
know,
that's
the
that's
a
educational
facility
campus
and
I
think
they're
gonna
redevelop
it.
You
know
they
sort
of
have
you
know,
holder
on
it
right
now
that
they're
still
operating,
but
they
haven't
really
redeveloped
it
right.
D
F
Real
really
just
a
a
tiny
piece
of
it,
because
the
willow
is
really
the
eastern
border
and
willow
would
be
the
line
to
to
the
street,
to
the
furthest
to
the
left.
So
you're,
just
getting
a
tiny
segment.
You
actually
have
a
larger
portion
of
daubyville
within
the
green,
which
would
be
the
crosstown
all
the
way
down
to
swan,
some
of
which
is
already
in
the
district.
D
Okay
and
and
if
the
because
I
we're
still
over
the
60
percent,
but
if
that,
because
I
want
to
make
sure
also
you
encompass
that
green
area
you
spoke
about
before.
I
know
it's
just
an
individual
contributing
factor,
but
I
I
do
think
it
it
should
well.
Those
residents
should
have
a
option
to
to
voice
their
opinion
and
if
you
leave
it
out
today,
they
won't
get
that
notice.
Correct.
F
F
B
Are
you
drawing
the
boundary
based
on
the
contributing
structures?
Is
that
what
I'm.
F
A
F
I
think
you
know
one
of
our
boundaries
were
based
on
concentrations
of
structures.
Yeah.
Definitely
I
think
that
when
you
talk
about
the
integrity
of
the
district,
you
have
a
responsibility
to
try
to
identify
those
contributing
structures
and
protect
them.
I
think
if
we
started
excluding
high
concentrations
of
ex
of
contributing
structures,
it's
kind
of
counterintuitive
to
what
you
know
our
process
is
kind
of
leading
us
towards
now.
You
know,
city
council
can
always
within
their
process.
F
They
can
refine
the
boundary
if
they
so
choose
to
usually
by
reducing
it,
increasing
that
would
most
likely
trigger
a
notice
requirement,
but
they
they
can.
They
do
have
the
ability
to
modify
your
recommendation.
A
F
I
believe
my
recommendation
is
to
limit
the
boundary
to
the
crosstown
expressway
and
leave
out
everything
north
of
the
crosstown
north
of
you
know,
essentially
that
you
know
that
barrier
as
it
is
it
it.
You
know.
If
you
were
to
look
at
these
areas
independently,
I
mean
the
yellow.
If
it
was
left
on
its
own,
wouldn't
qualify
as
a
locust
or
district.
F
F
Obviously
the
purple
wouldn't
so
you
know,
if
you
look
at
absorbing
that
into
the
district
it
doesn't.
You
know
it's
only
a
two
percent
difference
for,
if
you
absorb
the
green
area
into
the
local
boundaries,
doesn't
diminish
the
integrity,
makes
it
somewhat
manageable.
I
mean
there
is
a
practicality
in
regulating
these
areas
that
I
have
to
also
consider,
so
it
makes
it
somewhat
manageable
and
that
we've
already
got
sort
of
you
know
approach
for
regulating
hyde
park
in
place.
F
We
would
kind
of
just
expand
that
somewhat
getting
into
north
of
the
interstate
would
probably
increase
the
amount
of
opposition
that
you'll
be
experiencing
during
this
process
and
probably
lengthen
the
entire
designation
process.
A
F
A
F
A
F
F
Are
are
the
contributing
structures,
the
the
lightly
shaded
structures
are
new
development
that
has
come
in
recently
and
then
you
have
some
just
lined
structures
that
are
kind
of
more
the
inventory
that
was
reflected
on
the
original
inventory
back
in
the
80s
that
still
exists,
but
we're
not
contributing
then
and
they're
not
contributing.
Now.
A
A
Are
the
the
buildings
that
are
at
that
apex,
where
kennedy
and
and
whatever
that
other
street
is.
F
A
F
Property
landmark
district,
I
mean
we
could
do
you
know
we
could
create
one
for
that
or
we
could
add
those
into
an
existing
one.
I
think
that's
sort
of
a
separate
initiative
because
it
gets
us,
you
know
going
down
a
different
rabbit
hole,
but
I
think
it's
very
justified.
There's
a
number
of
significant
buildings.
There's
a
church
there's
an
office
building,
that's
very
significant.
F
A
C
Lean
toward
the
staff's
recommendation
of
the
green,
for
mainly
because
the
crosstown
is
definitely
a
physical
barrier
and
a
natural
border,
but
also
the
properties
to
the
north.
They
do
have
commercial,
zoning
or
commercial-like
zoning,
and
I
think
there
will
be
a
lot
of
pushback
and
it'll
end
up
losing
the
baby
with
the
bath
water
kind
of
thing
or
certainly
extending
it.
And
then
I
don't.
I
don't
think
one
one.
The
purple
area
is
valid
at
all.
C
If
there's
a
building
that
should
be
looked
at
individually,
that's
one
thing,
but
I
I
think
that
the
number
the
density
of
the
buildings
in
the
green
is
really
what
what
sells
it
and
and
it
makes
it
more
much
more
valid
and
and
an
easier
adoption.
So
we
get
get
a
lot
of
what
most
of
what
we
want
or
a
lot
of
what
we
want,
but
not
everything
that
we
want.
F
I
mean,
I
think,
that
you
know
I
just
want
to
consensus
that
that's
the
area
that
we're
going
to
notice.
You
know
for,
like
I
said,
there'll
be
some.
F
You
know
some
areas
beyond
that,
but
we
won't
be
able
to
go
back
during
that
hearing
and
decide.
Oh
we're
going
to
look
at
the
yellow
area
again.
C
A
A
Do
we
do
we
have
to
be
specific
in
saying
that
it's
limited
by
the
national
historic
district
on
the
west
and
the
crosstown
on
the
north?
I.
A
F
And
then
the
date,
the
preferred
date,
I
believe
we
want
to
add
into
that
motion.
Oh.
C
Yes
and
I'll
add
to
that
motion
for
advertising
for
or
a
hearing
on
april,
12
2022
at.
F
A
There
a
second
two,
yes
good,
all
those
in
favor
signify
by
I
I
oppose
same
sign,
then
motion
passes
unanimously
and
before
we
move
on
to
the
next
hearing
date
dennis.
Is
there
any
update
on
the
ivor
city
guidelines.
F
Yes,
we
did
receive
our
second
draft
back
over
the
holidays,
for
the
update,
we're
going
through
that
right
now
we'll
be
bringing
that
back
to
you
perhaps
in
march.
If
now
that
we've
decided
what's
going
to
happen
with
this
particular
item,
so
you'll
you'll
be
provided
that
in
advance
for
review.
A
Okay
and
knowing
that
then
our
next
date
and
time
of
meeting
is
march
15.
E
E
A
F
I'm
sorry
if
we
could
just
let
me
just
clarify
this.