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B
Before
we
start,
gentlemen,
I
did
not
look
at
the
news
this
morning
and,
as
I
was
eating
my
lunch
in
my
office,
I
turned
on
the
television
to
cnn.
B
B
They're
going
to
be
many
casualties,
this
time,
I'd
like
to
have
a
moment
of
style
for
those
families
and
those
fire
workers
and
police
officers,
they're
in
for
an
intense,
intense
time
and
labor
to
try
to
search
and
find
folks
loved
ones,
they're
going
to
need
our
prayers.
So
if
we
take
a
moment
of
silence,.
B
B
Amen,
thank
you.
We're
going
to
jump
in
right,
mr
shelby,
to
item
number
nine.
I
know
we
have
some
people
that
are
been
waiting
for
a
while
gentlemen.
Do
you
prefer
that
staff
go
with
the
presentation
and
then
we
hear
from
any
one
for
public
comment?
Do
you
want
to
take
the
public
comment
for
those
folks?
First,
anyone
have
any
pleasure.
B
All
right
well
we'll
go
ahead
and
anybody
else
have
any
yes,
mr
crawford's,
only
one!
Okay,
all
right!
Well,
I
think
he's
right
on
this
issue
because
it
is
about
the
pure
project.
So
if
the
staff
wants
to
go
and
do
their
presentation
and
then
we'll
hear
from
the
public
and
open
that.
J
Up
good
afternoon
city,
council
members,
thank
you
for
your
time
and
your
interest
this
afternoon
regarding
our
pure
project.
As
I've
said
a
couple
times,
this
pure
basically,
is
our
acronym
for
purify,
usable
resources
for
the
environment,
and
it's
a
process
we're
going
through
that
we
suspect
we'll
end
up
with
a
project
for
tampa
and
for
our
interest
in
sustainability
and
resiliency.
J
I
just
want
to
take
a
moment
to
let
you
know
that
we'll
be
introducing
our
consultant
team,
who
is
on
the
second
floor.
We
also
have
a
few
people
on
our
independent
panel
that
will
be
calling
in
virtually
for
their
part
of
the
presentation
and
brad
will
introduce
those
as
we
go
through
we'll
keep
this
as
brief
as
possible,
so
that
we
can
get
to
your
questions
and
the
public
input
as
soon
as
we
share
some
updated
information.
J
This
process
started
without
with
our
interest
of
solving
three
problems
that
we've
identified,
one
of
which
is
to
reduce
the
non-beneficial
reclaimed
water
that
goes
into
the
bay.
Currently,
the
other
is
to
improve
the
necessary
minimum
flows
for
the
health
of
our
lower
hillsborough
river,
and
the
third
is
to
address
drought
management
and
be
prepared
for
conditions
unforeseen
that
may
come
in
the
future,
so
we
always
have
a
sustained
water
supply
and
options
for
that
water
supply.
J
J
At
that
time
we
had
asked
for
about
10
million
dollars
for
the
beginnings
of
a
design
concept
that
we
wanted
to
initiate
with
co-funding
from
swift
mud
through
discussions
with
this
board,
we
realized
we
needed
to
put
a
slower
pace
on
things
and
take
a
deeper
dive
into
the
public
engagement
as
well
as
the
alternative
analysis.
J
We
also
have
engaged
with
local
stakeholders
from
the
league
of
women
voters,
the
sierra
club
and
the
friends
of
the
river
who've
been
very
helpful
and
if
any
of
them
are
watching
this
afternoon,
we
want
to
thank
them
for
all
the
time
they've
put
in
so
far,
and
we
know
they'll
have
continued
collaborations
with
us
as
we
move
forward.
So
we
appreciate
all
of
their
time
and
interest
after
our
discussion.
J
So
today
we
wanted
to
share
back
further
detail
of
what
we
had
provided
in
may,
which
was
some
of
the
independent
panel
review
recommendations
and
outputs.
We
also
wanted
to
share
a
little
more
detail
on
the
final
version
of
our
alternative
analysis
and
certainly
let
our
consultant
have
a
chance
to
share
some
initial
work.
That's
been
done
on
the
public
engagement
and
we
anticipate
doing
a
lot
more
of
that
and
will
be
looking
for
your
support
to
continue
more
of
that
public
outreach
going
forward.
J
H
Wonderful,
thank
you
brad
and
good
afternoon
city
council.
My
name
is
michelle
brennan
and
I
am
part
of
hdr's
strategic
communications
team,
as
brad
had
mentioned.
We're
here
today
to
share
our
high-level
overview
of
this
initial
round
of
public
outreach
surrounding
the
topic
of
water,
reuse
and
brad.
Are
you?
Can
we
go
to
the
next
slide.
K
H
H
H
H
H
So,
let's
talk
take
a
deeper
look
about
what
our
industry
outreach
efforts
looked
like.
So
here's
a
snapshot
of
the
utilities
we
spoke
with
all
who
have
successful,
reuse
programs
or
are
researching
and
planning
for
innovative
water,
reuse
programs.
In
fact,
some
of
these
utilities
started
their
water
reuse
programs
in
the
early
1960s.
H
In
addition,
there
was
also
several
overarching
themes
associated
with
best
practices
related
to
communication
and
engagement
surrounding
reuse
programs.
First,
that
these
projects
take
time
and
they
don't
happen
overnight.
So
as
the
program
evolves,
it's
critical
that
outreach
and
education
move
in
tandem
with
the
program.
It
cannot
operate
in
a
silo
and
this
engagement
must
be
inclusive.
H
Secondly,
it's
important
to
develop
partnerships.
All
the
utilities
discuss
the
importance
of
partnering
with
environmental
groups
as
well.
The
importance
of
working
with
other
community
groups,
including
your
neighborhood
associations
and
third,
all
the
utilities,
discuss
the
importance
of
collaborating
with
elected
leadership
at
the
local
state
and
federal
level
as
appropriate,
based
on
project
and
community
needs.
It
was
clear
that,
after
talking
with
all
these
utilities
that
partnerships,
inclusive
engagement
and
continuous
education
strongly
supported
the
success
of
their
programs.
H
H
Our
public
outreach
included
hosting
four
community
conversations
and
included
a
survey
big
picture.
Finding
were
that
most
of
the
participants
we
spoke
with.
They
just
want
to
learn
more.
This
community
has
an
awareness
of
the
topic
of
reuse
and
they
have
an
appetite
to
learn
more.
This
is
a
snapshot
of
our
community
conversations
and
community
survey
results.
As
you
can
see,
there's
geographic
representation.
However,
there
is
a
need
to
do
more,
both
geographically
as
well
as
include
more
participants
for
context.
The
community
conversations
were
like
focus
groups.
H
They
were
designed
to
be
small
group
discussion
that
allowed
us
to
do
some
polling,
but
we
also
spent
a
lot
of
time
discussing
the
results
and
the
feedback
we
hosted.
Four
of
these
conversations
on
may
4th
at
noon
and
7
pm
and
may
6th
at
noon
and
6
pm
lead
a
total
of
19
participants
that
represented
11
neighborhoods.
In
our
community
conversations,
we
worked
with
murray
holmes,
the
neighborhood
engagement
manager
to
identify
and
invite
hoa
neighborhood
leaders.
H
H
So,
as
a
result,
we
used
a
variety
of
targeted
efforts
to
promote
the
survey
we
distributed
a
link
to
hoa
and
neighborhood
leaders
from
the
neighborhood
engagement
manager
and
asked
them
to
share
it
among
their
neighbors.
We
distributed
to
cra
business
leaders
from
city
staff.
We
posted
it
on
nextdoor
multiple
times
we
shared
it
with
hr
to
promote
to
city
of
tampa
employees.
We
worked
with
the
tampa
housing
authority
to
distribute
a
flyer.
H
Our
demographic
questions
included
everything
from
participants,
age,
the
neighborhood
they
live
in
and
the
length
of
time
they
lived
in
the
city
of
tampa.
An
interesting
result
was
that
most
of
our
participants
were
over
50
years
in
age,
and
the
strong
majority
had
lived
in
tampa
for
10
plus
years.
H
Our
drinking
water
questions
focused
on
quantity,
quality
and
resiliency,
and
the
majority
of
the
participants
believe
that
access
in
the
future
may
be
an
issue
and
support
the
city's
efforts
to
explore
options.
Reclaimed
water
questions
focused
on
treatment,
safety
and
destination,
while
most
participants
do
believe,
it's
possible
to
treat
reclaimed
water
to
high
enough
standards
to
drink.
There
still
is
a
desire
to
understand
the
process
and
learn
more
and
the
engagement
and
education
questions
focused
on
their
interest
in
reuse
and
participants
provided
ideas
of
how
the
city
can
enhance
their
current
outreach
and
education
efforts.
H
As
your
neighborhood
and
your
neighborhood
leaders,
they
were
really
eager
to
participate
and
partner
with
the
city
on
this
topic.
I
personally
enjoyed
my
time
so
much
listening
and
engaging
with
them.
There
is
so
much
pride
and
love
for
the
city.
It
just
filled
my
heart
when
we
were
having
these
conversations.
H
H
In
both
the
community
conversations
and
the
survey.
We
had
a
lot
of
open-ended
questions
and
on
the
next
slide,
you'll
see
they
didn't
generate
statistics
or
percentages,
but
in
but
really
provided
valuable
insight
as
to
how
the
community's
questions
and
what
the
community
questions
and
concerns
are
around
water
reuse.
H
H
So
after
we
had
a
better
understanding
of
some
of
the
questions
and
concerns
that
they
had,
we
followed
it
up
with
another
open-ended
question
and
we
asked
how
could
the
city
do
better
to
communicate
and
connect
with
residents
and
businesses
on
the
topic
of
water,
reuse
and
on
the
next
slide,
you'll
see
what
we
heard
was
that
they
want
more.
They
want
more
communication,
they
want
it
more
frequently.
They
want
it
more
accessibly,
they're
interested
in
incorporating
some
sort
of
interactive
education,
it's
difficult
for
people.
H
So
where
does
that
leave
us?
So
I
started
this
presentation
with
recognizing
that
this
initial
phase
of
outreach
was
really
conducted
in
a
condensed
time
frame
and
the
results
are
not
representative
of
those
who
live
and
work
in
the
city.
However,
it
did
paint
a
picture
that
this
community
is
ready
to
learn
more
and
they
want
to
be
an
active
participant.
H
All
of
our
recommendations
are
based
on
taking
what
we've
learned
and
implementing
a
more
inclusive
education
and
engagement
strategy
around
water
reuse.
So
our
recommendations
take
into
consideration
that
the
topic
of
water
reuse
is
complex,
it's
very
personal
and
it
recognizes
that
it
deserves
dedicated
time
energy
and
resources.
H
H
B
L
Miss
brennan,
thank
you
for
your
presentation.
I
had
to
step
out
of
the
room
for
a
minute,
so
you
might
have
already
answered
this,
but
in
addition
to
your
synopsis
and
compilation
of
the
information
and
data,
could
you
provide
all
council
members
with
the
exact
questions
that
were
you
know
that
were
included
in
the
survey
you
might
have
sent
my
office
a
copy
of
the
survey
asking
us
to
take
it?
L
I
don't
remember,
but
but
anyway,
at
this
point
in
time,
I'd
just
like
to
see
how
the
questions
were
worded
and
and
and
specifically
what
they
were.
E
E
E
I
agree
we
have
to
have
more
outreach.
I
did
you
know
this.
This
plan
is
just
like
taking
water
out
of
my
toilet,
making
me
drink.
I
so,
yes,
you
are
correct
in
that
you
showed
us
a
slide
that
said
50
or
more
places
that
we
use
is
water
of
those
50
places.
Are
they
unique
like
the
city
of
tampa,
where
we
have
a
wonderful
source
of
water
like
the
hillsborough
river,
or
do
those
other
50
places
have
to
buy
their
water
or
pump
it
up
out
of
the
ground?.
H
Our
focus
a
great
question,
our
focus
when
we
spoke
with
those
utilities,
we
really
focused
on
how
they
communicate
and
engage
with
their
community
around
the
topic
of
water
reuse.
I
had
mentioned
briefly-
and
I
know
I
didn't
do
it
justice-
that
those
programs
vary
tremendously
in
size,
scale
and
purpose.
E
I
Yeah
just
quickly,
thank
you
for
the
presentation.
Thank
you,
the
staff
for
bringing
them
on
board.
I
know
hdr
very
well.
Their
communication
outreach
public
outreach
division
is
one
of
the
best
in
the
country,
and
and
so
I'm
glad
that
that
you've
got
a
team
like
this
on
board.
To
do
this.
I
But
when
I
talked
to
ms
duncan
and
mr
webber,
they
went
back
and
corrected
it,
but
we
just
need
to
make
sure
that
we're
not
leading
in
the
conversation.
You
know
some
of
the
messaging
about
how
we
need
we,
we
we
need
a
new
source
of
water
that
how
we,
how
we
have
to
solve
certain
problems,
those
that
we
need
to
be
really
careful
about
the
messaging
that
goes
in
it.
M
J
Sir,
thank
you,
mr
carlson,
and
we
took
your
advice
about
solution,
neutral
approach.
Very
seriously.
We
had
a
conversation
with
hdr
about
keeping
that
in
the
forefront
and
not
getting
too
tied
to
one
particular
approach
to
ahead
of
time
or
before
it's
time.
So
we'll
be
very
cognizant
of
that
going
forward,
and
I
do
want
to
say
that
we
are
approaching
this
as
neutrally
as
we
possibly
can.
J
Of
course,
we
have
certain
facts
that
lead
us
a
certain
way,
but
we
are
going
to
be
very
sensitive
to
that
and
I'm
probably
jumping
ahead
of
brad
here,
but
we
were
going
to
mention
that
we're
going
to
assuming
that
you're
gracious
enough
to
approve
some
funding
for
continuing
public
engagement,
we're
going
to
work
to
include
a
ebo
firm
as
well.
J
B
B
Like
mr
citroel
said:
rumors,
it's
bored,
we
hate
rooms,
don't
we
so
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
clear
in
the
messaging
making
sure
that
in
those
marginalized
communities-
because
I
know
surveys
a
lot
of
times-
they
don't
do
a
lot
of
surveys
in
those
marginalized
communities,
so
they
don't
know
to
know.
So.
If
you're
going
after
ebo
firm
to
kind
of
do
some
that
public
engagement,
I
would
suggest
that
that's
a
great
idea.
B
You've
come
up
with
to
do
that,
because
I
was
going
to
ask
what
was
the
numbers
of
your
survey
as
you
look
at
the
different
four
districts
and
those
marginalized
communities?
What
were
those
numbers?
I
won't
ask
today,
but
I'm
sure
you
come
back.
We
should
have
something
once
you
get
this
person
on
board
to
do.
We
need
to
do
all
right.
K
I
would
add
one
last
thing
to
what
what
gene
said.
So,
in
accordance
with
the
recommendations,
we
will
be
coming
back
to
city
council
this
summer
to
continue
the
public
engagement
and
as
a
funding
request
so
and
with
that
we'll
move
on
to
the
nwri
independent
advisory
panel,
update
from
what
we
provided
on
may
27th
workshop.
K
We
have
hopefully
virtually
we
have
kevin
hardy
who's,
the
executive
director
of
nwri,
and
then
we
have
dr
glenn
dagger,
with
the
university
of
michigan,
who
chaired
the
independent
expert
advisory
panel.
So,
hopefully
are
they
on
the
screen
yeah
there
they
are
okay,
and
with
that
I
will
turn
it
over
to
kevin.
N
Thank
you
brad
and
good
afternoon
city
council.
Once
again,
I'm
kevin
hardy,
the
executive
director
of
the
national
water
research
institute,
and
you
know
everybody
will
refer
to
us
as
nwi.
N
As
you
know,
we
were
engaged
by
the
city
to
facilitate
and
administer
an
independent
advisory
panel,
comprised
of
leading
water
reuse
experts
from
around
the
united
states
to
review
the
work.
The
technical
and
analytical
work
has
been
prepared
to
date
in
support
of
the
tampa
pure
project,
and
I
think,
as
I
told
you
last
time
when
we
spoke,
enterprise,
create
exists
to
create
new
sources
of
healthy
water
and
we've
worked
with
communities
around
the
world
for
over
three
decades,
doing
just
that.
N
The
panel
reviewed
a
tremendous
volume
of
highly
technical
planning
data
and
analysis
that
was
prepared
by
the
tampa
team,
and
the
tampa
team
has
worked
intentionally
to
maintain
a
menu
of
alternative
water
supply,
reliability.
Investments
for
this
council's
consideration
as
this
critical
regional
planning
process
moves
forward,
the
pedals
delivered
its
strap
report
and
tampa
is
now
reviewing
that
report,
and
that
report
was
the
product.
The
work
product
of
a
meeting
that
we
held
on
may
13th
and
you'd,
hear
it
see
on
the
slide
in
front
of
you
the
agenda
for
that
meeting.
N
N
I
think
once,
and
so
I
am
pleased
to
report,
that
the
project,
six
core
components
that
you
see
here
here
in
front
of
you
enhance
monitoring
for
contaminants,
additional
water
purification
processes,
the
current
treatment
plant
they're
redirecting
the
50
ml
million
gallons
a
day
of
product
water,
recharging
that
product
water
into
storage,
wells
withdrawing
that
product,
water
from
the
recovery
wells
and
meeting
the
minimum
flow
requirements
for
the
lower
hillsboro
river
can
form
the
basis
for
an
overall
system
that
meets
the
objectives
stated
by
the
city.
N
This
fact
creates
a
particularly
challenging
decision
and
investment
matrix
recognizing
this
panel
identified
four
areas
of
project
development,
and
you
see
those
here
before
you.
What
they
indicate
is
that
modifications
to
individual
core
components
are
needed,
along
with
additional
data
and
analysis,
and
this
is
the
position
that
most
of
our
clients
find
themselves
in
at
this
pos.
This
level
of
development
of
their
project
so
number
one
is
the
establishment
of
a
valid
scientific
technical
policy
approach
for
the
project.
N
Groundwater
model,
assessing
the
project,
water
quality
and
quantity
impacts
for
the
entire
hydrolog
hydrologic
system,
from
the
upper
floridian
aquifer
through
the
lower
hillsborough
river
and
additional
treatment
barriers
to
comply
with
current
water
reuse
practice
and
to
protect
public
health,
and
so
now,
with
that
introduction
to
the
panel's
draft
report,
it's
my
privilege
to
introduce
dr
glenn
deiger,
the
professor
of
engineering
practice
at
the
university
of
michigan.
He
previously
served
as
the
president
and
chief
technology
officer
of
ch
tom
hill,
where
he
worked
for
35
years,
he's
co-authored
more
than
a
hundred
papers.
N
O
Oh,
thank
you
very
much
kevin
and
really
a
pleasure
to
be
back
with
the
city
council
you
caught
us
at
as
we
were
in
the
midst
of
our
work
and
now
at
this
milestone
in
terms
of
our
work
and
happy
to
to
share
with
you
our
overall
conclusions
here.
O
So
if
we
can
have
the
slides
up,
I
don't
see
this
the
slides
up
the
so
that
that'll
help
me
that'll
help
me
lead
through
with
this,
so
I
I
think
one
of
the
well
while
that's
happening
while
the
slides
are
are
coming
up.
I
think
it's
important,
particularly
with
the
following
on
from
the
earlier
presentation.
If
you
go
back,
one
slide.
O
The
its
project
strengths-
this
is
these-
are
the
the
six
core
components
of
the
overall
pure
project,
so
water
reuse
is
one
of
the
intended
outcomes,
but
it's
important
to
understand
that
the
water
is
to
be
not
only
supplement
the
water
supply,
but
also-
and
you
see
this
and
the
last
bullet
there-
to
to
supplement
the
the
hillsborough
river.
O
So
when
we
look
at
the
the
impacts
of
this
project
in
terms
of
the
locations
that
are
impacted,
certainly
the
water
supply
and
water
reuse
as
a
component
of
it.
But
the
introduction
of
this
water
is
going
to
affect
the
number
of
environments,
including
the
hillsborough
river
itself,
the
the
hillsborough
river
reservoir,
the
springs
in
the
in
that
area,
so
in
particular
you'll
see
that
we
are
very
much
in
support
of
the
outreach
reach
which
is
going
on
and
the
need
for
that.
O
I
think
one
of
the
things
that
we
would
that
we
is
inherent
in
what
we're
saying
is
it's
really
important
for
that
outreach
to
look
not
just
at
the
reuse
portion
of
this,
but
look
at
the
whole
at
the
whole
project
as
it
goes
forward.
There
are
a
number
of
of
impacts
in
addition
to
to
reuse
as
well.
So
if
you
go
to
the
next
slide,
so
here
we
get
into
the
the
first
couple
of
areas.
O
So
the
first
is
to
establish
a
valid
scientific,
technical
and
policy
approach
for
the
project.
O
So
to-
and
you
see
our
first
recommendation-
there
proceed
assertively
with
a
public
outreach
problem
based
on
well-established
best
practice,
principles
and
approaches,
and
the
approaches
are
well
honed
in
terms
of
how
to
do
this
you're
off
to
a
good
start.
But
it's
important
that
we
really
are
envisioning
this
as
a
public
outreach
looking
at
the
whole
project.
O
O
O
But
the
scientific,
technical
and
policy-based
performance
metrics
relative
to
each
environment,
so
this
again
is
the
impact
on
water
supply
and
drinking
water,
but
also
the
establishing
clear
performance
metrics
in
terms
of
the
impact
on
these
other
environments,
the
river
and
so
forth,
evaluate
the
portable
reuse
components
of
the
pure
program,
based
on
the
ongoing
research
of
the
outreach
program
and
incorporating
both
current
and
evolving
best
practices
for
portable
reuse.
O
You
saw
from
michelle's
presentation
that
you
know
there
are
a
significant
number
of
reuse
projects
that
are
in
place
and
going
forward
and
so
forth
and
over
the
last,
probably
the
last
five
years
in
particular,
best
practice
has
really
evolved
in
the
reuse
area,
you're
moving
in
the
right
direction,
but
it's
really
important
to
embrace
all
that
as
you
go
forward,
that's
the
first
area.
O
The
second
then
starts
to
look
at
the
groundwater
impacts
from
the
recharge
and
recovery
and,
in
particular,
the
see
what
model,
which
is
the
numerical
model,
which
is
used
to
assess
those
impacts,
so
conceptualization
parameterization,
calibration
and
validation
of
the
model,
some
specific
comments
so
being
a
number
of
technical
people.
The
first
thing
we
say
is
you
need
more
data
and
you
do
particularly
water
quality
data.
In
addition
to
you
have
the
the
team
has
been
modeling.
O
It
is
all
solids,
but
there
will
be
other
and
and
likely
significant
water
quality
transformations
through
passage
of
the
water
through
the
through
the
aquifer
there
and
data's
needed
there
to
fully
characterize
that,
and
that
can
be
used,
then
to
calibrate
the
model
for,
for
the
analysis
that
you'll
need
to
do.
O
Model
scenarios
can
include,
can
include
wet
years,
drought
years,
alternative
pumping
and
recovery
rates,
estimation
of
the
rates
of
accumulation
of
higher
water
quality
in
the
aquifer
and
a
potential
loss
of
groundwater
to
the
south.
So
one
of
the
areas
that
they
that
we
were
particularly
look
asked
to
look
at
is
sulphur
springs
and
there's
a
significant
opportunity
to
improve
the
quality
in
the
springs
and
so
forth.
But
that
needs
to
be
looked
at
as
a
complete
system
there.
So
allow
site-specific
questions
relative
to
pure
project
to
be
addressed.
O
So-
and
some
examples
are
you
know
in
in
the
bullet,
listed
above
one
of
the
areas,
that
of
caution
which
the
city
is
well
aware
of,
is
that
the
siwot
model
cannot
deal
with
the
karst
and
fracture
conduits
that
are
inherent
in
the
floridian
aquifer
and
that's
a
technical
issue
that
needs
to
be
addressed
here
can
be
in
some
recent
conversations.
This
the
city's
actually
asked
the
panel
for
some
some
further
advice
here
which
which
we'll
provide
so
next
slide.
O
The
last
one
last
item
looked
at
the
model
but
which
helps
with
hydrology,
but
the
need
here
that
we're
really
expressing
is
the
need
to
not
only
collect
more
data
for
this
larger
hydrologic
system,
but
but
then,
based
on
that
this
is
part
of
the
scientific
basis,
but
to
establish
specific
quality
objectives
for
these
environments
that
are
not
only
meet
regulations
but
are
responsive
to
the
desires
expressed
and
the
decisions
you'll
make,
but
certainly
informed
by
the
outreach
program
which
is
going
forward.
O
The
outreach
is
very
important
connection
here
to
establishing
these
these
quality
objectives,
the
project
effluent
and
discrete
environmental
unit,
specific
water
quality
characteristics.
The
naval
analysis
and
comparison
include,
you
see
a
whole
list
of
of
of
acronyms
and
so
forth.
Happy
to
discuss
these
if
you
would
like,
but
it's
really
to
indicate
the
range
of
of
relevant
considerations
here,
that
that
need
to
be
concerned
considered
conduct
in
situ
natural
gradient
and
eject
injection
extraction.
O
Tracer
tests
to
parameterize
a
transient
contaminant
fate
and
transport
component
to
add
to
the
c
watt
model
a
lot
of
words
there.
But
what
that
really
means
is
that
a
lot
more
use
can
be
made
of
the
siwot
model,
not
only
water
flow,
but
the
quality
transformations
which
will
occur
occur
as
the
water
is
recharged
and
recovered.
O
It's
obvious
that,
given
the
nature
of
the
aquifer
that
it
can
contribute
importantly
to
the
control
of
constituents,
but
that
needs
to
be
characterized
and
can
be
then
built
into
the
model
as
a
tool
both
for
continued
design,
but
also
long-term
operation
of
the
system
quantify
the
expected
fluxes
of
water
nutrients
pathogens
and
other
contaminants
of
concern.
So
specific
steps
in
terms
of
taking
that
information
into
usable
form
and
develop
an
improved
circulation
model
for
the
hillsborough
river
reservoir.
O
It's
an
open
question
where
best
to
take
the
the
recovered
water
and
how
to
introduce
it
into
the
hillsborough
river
and
there
might
be
different
times
when
it's
introduced
in
in
different
locations
and
so
forth.
So
the
tool
to
evaluate
that
needs
to
be
developed
and
then
develop
a
comprehensive,
proactive
monitoring
system
for
the
inter
integrated
aquifer
spring
river
reservoir
system
to
evaluate
where
the
pure
project
is
operating
as
expected,
providing
early
warning
of
system
failures
and
allow
for
adaptive
management
assistance.
O
So
the
data
collection
analysis
doesn't
stop
with
with
at
this
stage.
It
doesn't
stop
with
design.
It
becomes
a
an
integral
and
ongoing
activity
for
the
city
to
continue
to
monitor
the
system
and
use
that
to
further
further
optimize
the
system,
both
its
its
operation,
cost.
O
Just
one
more
slide
here,
thank
you.
So
the
last
one
deals
with
the
the
the
water
reuse
itself.
O
I
can
really
consolidate
this
into
into
saying,
continue,
but
make
sure
to
incorporate
the
evolved
water,
reuse,
best
practices
in
terms
of
designing
and
implementing
the
the
water
reuse
component
of
this
overall
project
and
what's
listed
here,
are
a
number
of
specific
elements
that
that
address
that,
but
I
think
for
the
city
council,
it's
important
to
understand
that
water,
reuse
practice
is,
is
now
reasonably
well
developed,
there's
good
consensus
in
terms
of
best
practice.
O
The
city
is
off
to
good
start,
but
it's
really
important
to
continue
to
follow
that
going
from
public
outreach
to
design
to
implementation
and
then
the
long-term
operation
and
management
of
the
reuse
system
and
this
overall
system,
as
as
you
go
forward,
and
it's
a
matter
of
doing
the
right
things,
but
also
resourcing
this
properly
from
beginning
to
end.
O
So
that's
that's.
Basically
our
report.
B
Thank
you,
sir
gentlemen.
Any
questions
ms
dinkville.
L
Well,
thank
you,
dr
for
for
that
presentation
and
and
more
importantly,
thanks
to
you
and
your
team
for
for
all
the
detailed
analysis
and
work
that
you've
done
on
that.
I
I,
like
the
term
recalcitrant
organics,
that's
one.
I've
never
heard
before,
but
I
I
enjoy.
I
enjoy
that
term.
So
my
question
brad
to
you
or
gene
or
chuck
or
whoever
whoever
wants
to
answer
it.
Is
there
there's
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
interesting
observations
and
questions
that
the
panel
pushed
forward.
L
I'm
sure
there
are
some
that
you
guys
already
were
planning
on.
I
don't
have
any
doubt
about
that
and
maybe
there's
a
few
in
there
that
are
new
and
that's
good,
because
I
think
that's
why
the
process
is
good.
You
know
this
is
this
is
an
extremely
important
decision
not
only
for
council
and
the
mayor,
but
for
the
community
and
that's
why
it's
so
important
to
have
this
independent
body
of
experts
from
all
over
the
country.
L
In
terms
of
the
nwri,
I'm
so
impressed
so
far
with
with
the
work
that
they've
done,
that
I
would
like
you
know,
I
would
like
to
see
us
continue,
continue
to
utilize
them
in
the
same
capacity,
because
at
every
phase
there's
going
to
be
more
decisions,
there's
going
to
be
more
data,
there's
going
to
be
more
analysis
and-
and
I
think,
continuing
that
independent
body
work,
even
though
I
understand
there
is
cost
involved,
but
compared
to
the
total
cost.
I
think
it's
negligible
and
compared
to
the
total
project
and
the
risks.
K
K
We
staff
is
in
the
process
of
reviewing
the
draft
report,
we'll
have
those
comments
back
to
nwri
next
week
and
we're
anticipating
a
final
report,
we're
shooting
for
the
end
of
july
from
nwri
and
the
panel
and
as
far
as
using
the
nwri
independent
advisory
panel
in
the
future.
There's
no
reason
why
we
we
shouldn't
do
that,
because
we
we
do
have
quite
a
few
more
decisions
to
make
with
regard
to
the
treatment
process.
L
K
I
You
know,
as
I
understand
it,
and
we
talked
about
this
before
they
were
presented
with
a
project,
not
the
larger
process
and
some
of
the
data
they
were
reviewing
was
the
tap
data
and-
and
they
explained
last
time
why
why
it
was
okay
to
do
that.
But
what
I
really
would
like
them
to
do
is
is
help
us
look
at
the
alternative
analysis,
which
should
include
if
the
one
of
the
options
is.
If
we
can
get
rid
of
this
state
legislation,
does
it
make
sense
to
do
this?
I
I
think,
as
mr
randa
said
earlier,
cities
all
over
the
world
drink,
potty,
purified,
potty
water.
New
orleans
is
the
one
that
everybody
gives
as
an
example,
because
they
drink
industrial
waste
and
human
waste,
and
so
it's
not
that
the
science
doesn't
exist.
The
question
is
the
timing
of
when,
when
should
we
do
this
some
point
in
the
future?
I
At
least
we
could
delay
the
the
impact
on
rate
payers
and
then
there
are
other
options
we
can
talk
about
later.
During
the
alternative
analysis.
K
Yeah,
thank
you
councilman,
for
that.
We,
you
know
one
you,
even
if
the
legislation
goes
away.
One
of
the
problems
we're
trying
to
solve,
of
course,
is
a
source,
a
sustainable,
long-term
source
for
minimum
flows
for
the
lower
hillsborough
river,
and
that's
something
that
that
we
need
to
resolve
in
short
order.
So,
but
I
think.
I
I
mean
we'll
get
to
that
in
a
second,
but
I
think
one
of
the
things
that
we're
designing
for
is
is
is
the
worst
drought
flow
situation
that
we've
had,
at
least
in
the
last
10
years.
Maybe
it's
the
last
hundred
years.
I
Is
it
worth
the
cost
for
a
100
year
event
for
our
ratepayers
to
pay
2
billion
or
6
billion
dollars,
whatever
it
is,
and
increase
their
rates
plus
drink,
potty
water
when
they
we
might
have
to
in
20
years?
But
we,
you
know
what
we
showed
before
is
if
we
need
seven
mgd
in
20
in
20
years,
and
and
we
just
push
conservation
and
if
we
fix
the
pipes
which
we're
already
paying
for
it.
I
We
can
save,
probably
10
mgd,
and
so
that
could
net
out,
and
so
really
what
we're
solving
for
is
is
is
a
once
in
10-year
100-year
event
or
that
the
legislature
is
forcing
us
to
do
this
and
either
one
of
them
could
be
supplied
by
the
alternative
source,
and
so
it
it
there's
an
environmental
issue,
the
health
issue,
but
there's
also
the
the
ratepayer
issue
and
the
fiscal
issue.
I
K
We
have
one
more
speaker
and
it
is
about
the
analog,
the
alternatives,
analysis
and
it's
mark
hammond
with
applied
sciences,
and
we
only
have,
I
think,
two
or
three
slides
associated
with
that.
So
we're
nearing
the
end
so
with
that
I'll
turn
it
over
to
mark.
G
G
Okay
and
if
you
go
to
the
next
slide,
if
you,
if
we've
just
got
two
slides
to
summarize
the
presentation
that
we
did
for
you
last
month,
if
you
recall
in
our
presentation
last
month,
we
had
looked
in
our
analysis,
11
primary
alternatives
and
five
of
those
alternatives
had
a
sub
alternative.
So
we
had
a
total
of
16
alternatives
that
we
first
evaluated.
G
Then
we
took
those
alternatives
and
we
combined
them
into
four
combinations
that
you
see
listed
here.
That
would
be
able
to
meet
a
reduction
of
discharge,
meet
your
mfls
and
also
drought,
management
of
the
reservoir
levels.
The
first
combination
combination,
one
involved:
expanding
your
reclaimed,
water
distribution
system
to
residential
commercial
and
also
large
users
throughout
the
city.
It
also
involves
a
deep,
well
injection
for
any
remaining
part
of
the
reclaim.
That's
not
used
and
purchasing
water
from
tampa
bay
water
to
help
meet
the
mfls
combination.
G
Combination:
three,
the
aquifer,
recharge
and
recovery
involved,
treating
the
water
from
howard,
f
current
to
meet
primary
and
secondary
drinking
water
standards,
recharging,
the
aquifer
and
the
vicinity
of
the
reservoir
recovering
a
portion
of
that
water
and
putting
that
into
the
reservoir
to
do
two
things:
one
to
be
released
to
meet
the
minimum
flows
for
the
lower
hillsborough
river,
but
also
for
drought
management
in
terms
of
the
reservoir
level
to
help
in
terms
of
the
water
supply
reliability
for
the
reservoir
combination.
Four
was
a
direct
potable
reuse
option.
G
We
evaluated
these
four
combinations
based
on
cost
that
you
can
see
in
in
that
column
and
then
we
rank
them.
So
if
you
look
at
combination,
two,
that's
got
a
rank
of
one
combination:
two
is
the
lowest
cost
option
or
the
lowest
combination
of
that,
so
it
was
the
top
rank
in
terms
of
cost
combination.
It
was
followed
closely.
The
second
lowest
cost
combination
was
combination,
three,
the
aquifer,
recharge
and
recovery
and
then
combination
four
and
combination.
G
One
were
the
more
costly
options
to
be
able
to
accomplish
those
goals
again
of
reducing
the
discharge,
meeting
your
mfls
and
also
drought
management
and
the
other
benefits
we
in
addition
to
the
when
it
only
costs.
We
looked
at
that
on
a
capital
cost
and
a
30
or
30
year,
life
cycle
cost,
which
included
capital
and
also
operation
and
maintenance
each
year
for
30
years.
G
G
G
However,
you
do
see
some
benefits
in
terms
of
the
drought
management
and
also
in
terms
of
implementation
feasibility
for
implementing
the
projects
when
we
evaluate
those
and
scored
the
projects
or
these
combinations
combination,
three
had
the
highest
score
or
was
the
top
ranked
for
benefits.
That
was
the
number
one
there.
G
Then
you
go
to
followed
by
combination,
four,
which
is
the
second
highest
benefits
and
then
combination
one
and
then
combination,
two
based
on
the
benefits
when
you
combine
the
cost
and
the
benefit
ranking
for
a
combined
rank,
score
combination,
three,
the
actual
recharge
and
recovery
to
the
river
had
the
lowest
score
or
the
top
rank
of
the
four
combinations
followed
by
combination,
two
and
combination,
four
were
tied
and
then
combination.
One
would
be
the
lowest
rank
score.
G
Another
way
to
look
at
these
four
combinations
when
I
look
at
them
is,
is
again
all
four
combinations
will
address
reduction
discharge
and
also
meet
your
mfl
combination.
One
and
four
are
more
expensive:
they
cost
more
to
implement
those
those
alternatives.
If
you
look
at
just
the
the
two
lower
cost
options.
G
If
you
go
to
the
next
slide,
so
our
recommendations
on
the
alternative
analysis
is
the
top
alternative
combination
based
on
the
benefit
and
the
overall
combined
ranking
is
combination,
three,
the
aqua,
recharge
and
recovery.
G
G
However,
that
involves
selling
the
reclaimed
water
to
another
entity,
and
so
our
recommendation
is
that
you
would
first
want
to
explore
the
interest
to
see
if
you
could
would
be
able
to
sell
the
reclaimed
water
to
another
entity
within
the
time
period
that
you
may
choose,
and
also
the
other
aspects
of
any
agreement
like
that.
That
would
meet
the
requirements
of
the
city.
G
Our
recommendations
also
include
continuation
of
your
conservation
and
your
pipes,
type
programs,
the
city's
been
doing
conservation
for
decades,
and
so
you've
always
been
a
leader
on
that
and
then
finally,
implementation
of
things
like
ami
or
the
advanced
metering
infrastructure.
We
see
those
was
depending
on
it
doesn't
matter
which
combination
you
take.
Those
type
of
programs
are
always
beneficial
to
the
city.
So
with
that,
I
would
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
Thank
you
very
much.
D
I
wish
that
something
explained
to
the
public
as
we
want
to
hear
from
the
public,
but
there's
so
many
letters
and
names
and
anoms
that
you
you
have
trouble
like
asr.
We
know
what
it
is,
but
the
public
may
not.
When
you
go
to
hr,
it's
not
harry's.
Here
I
don't
know
what
it
is.
The
public
may
not
know
what
it
is.
I
think
I
know
what
it
is,
but
and
you
got
to
explain
that
why
the
cost
is
on
three
is
three
and
then
two
are
tied
for
for
number.
D
Second,
and
one
is
almost
twice
a
little
over
twice
the
amount
of
of
three.
However,
we
you,
the
plan
that
was
brought
here
is
the
less
expensive
or
the
least
expensive
is
the
one
that
you
say.
You
have
to
sell
reclaimed
water,
but
it
doesn't
say
how
you're
going
to
sell
it.
How
are
you
going
to
get
it
there?
D
However,
by
october
31st
of
this
year,
I
believe
that
legislation
that
was
passed
by
the
legislature
this
year,
we
must
present
a
plan
to
what
we're
going
to
do
with
the
disposal
to
reclaim
water.
I'm
sure
someone's
going
to
ask
you
and
who
are
you
going
to
sell
it
to
that's
a
doubt.
In
my
mind,
however,
let
me
tell
you
what
the
legislature
does
not.
D
If
you
really
want
to
be
an
environmentalist-
and
you
really
want
to
help
everything
around,
that
will
be
at
least
another
presentation
of
what
you
do
with
that
water.
Right
now
I
can
say
that,
where
that
reclaimed
water
has
been
going
on
for
many
years
now,
you're
talking
about,
I
don't
know
30
or
40
50
years.
Maybe
what
we
have
made
there?
We,
the
city
of
tampa
and
the
citizens,
have
created
a
restoration
of
the
species
to
come
back
to
equal
to
or
greater
than
it
was
in
the
1950s.
Am
I
correct?
That's.
D
So
if
we
really
want
to
talk
about
the
environment
and
saving
something
we
could
be
the
leader
not
only
here
in
florida,
but
the
whole
united
states
on
how
to
do
things
right,
if
one
of
the
buyers
may
be
tampa
bay,
water
how's
it
going
to
get
there,
what
does
it
cost
to
get
it
there?
Is
it
going
to
be
feasible
after
the
cost?
There's
so
many
things
that
go
through
my
mind
so
rapidly
that
even
I
fumble
sometimes
before
I
speak,
not
that
I
ever
fumbled,
I
always
fumble,
but
somehow
I
make
a
recovery.
D
So
what
I'm
saying
is
that
we
have
to
look
at
other
alternatives
that
or
have
not
even
on
the
city
side.
I
don't
I'm
not
talking
about
the
five
people
you
hire
from
from
this
company
to
find
out
what
it
costs
all
the
other
costs
are
fixed.
We
know
what
the
pipeline
costs.
We
know
what
the
engineer
is
going
to
cost.
We
know
how
the
distribution
we
already
have
the
distribution
to
some
point
mainly
already
in
place.
D
D
It
doesn't
make
economic
sense,
so
I
would
like
to
have
a
greater
understanding,
not
only
for
ourselves,
the
seven
of
us,
but
for
the
hundreds
of
thousands
of
people
who
live
in
this
area.
Although
we
have
a
city
of
over
four
hundred
thousand,
we've
got
about
six
hundred
thousand
water
customers.
Am
I
correct.
D
Off
by
a
hundred
thousand,
if
there
was
money,
I
asked
you
to
give
it
back.
But
what
I'm
trying
to
say,
mr
barrett,
is
that
there's
so
many
things
that
we
haven't
thought
about
that.
This
is
something
that
it's
invigorating
to
see
the
technology.
That's
out
there.
Now
I
was
in
the
40s
and
the
20s
and
the
30s
heck
we
used
to
get
the
water
from
you.
Lady
springs.
D
I
don't
remember
that,
because
that
was
back
even
before
I
don't
know
it
had
to
be
in
the
1900s.
D
I
think
it
was
about
400
000
or
4
million
gallons,
one
of
the
two,
and
that
was
the
water
we
had
when
I
got
first
elected
in
1974
20
of
the
population-
and
I
may
be,
the
numbers
may
be:
inverted,
either
didn't
have
water
or
20
percent
had
nothing
but
well
water,
or
they
didn't
have
connection
to
the
city's
lines
of
items
going
to
the
howard
curtain
plant.
D
They
had
septic
tanks
and
somewhere
in
the
70s.
We
passed
the
ordinance
that
you
had
to
sign
in
to
the
city,
water
and
you
had
a
hook
up
to
the
line
and
I
think
it
was
something
of
two
hundred
dollars.
Two
hundred
fifty
dollars.
Don't
quote
me
because
that's
been
a
long
time
ago,
but
remember
that
program
you
are
there.
D
D
All
of
us
ought
to
be
proud
of
what
we
have,
because
we
have
more
than
most
cities.
Saint
pete
doesn't
have
an
advantage
over
treatment
plant.
Do
they
they
do
not,
and
they
used
to
chastise
tampa
for
putting
water
under
somewhere
else
away
themselves
are
putting
untreated
to
the
quality
of
tampa
down
millions
of
gallons
a
day.
D
So
I'm
tired,
I'm
going
to
take
my
gloves
off,
because
I'm
not
going
to
take
it
no
more.
If
it's
a
city
tampa
does
this
or
that
the
other
one
and
and
then
there's
another
thing.
I
don't
know
how
tampa
bay
water
got
into
the
children's
museum,
but
I'm
going
to
find
out,
oh
and
I'm
just
exhausted,
of
this
water
issues.
D
D
If
you've
been
to
texas,
if
you've
been
to
israel,
if
you've
been
to
australia,
you
can
name
country
up
the
country
as
the
country
and
all
of
them
are
drinking
this,
and
I
don't
know
one
person,
who's
died
and
what
I
remember
the
gentleman
that
we
brought
in
from
sacramento
the
water
supplier
that
does
about
60
or
70
billion
gallons
about
I
forgot
12,
14
years
ago
we
had
a
a
meeting
at
the
fine
university
of
south
florida.
There
was
about
200
250
people.
There
we
learned
a
lot.
D
The
public
was
appalled
at
what
they
can
do
with
water.
If
somebody
else
can
do
it,
why
can't
we?
Furthermore,
this
city
is
growing
one
of
the
fastest
cities
growing
in
america?
Is
this
one
and
then
because
of
us
because
of
the
weather
because
of
the
age
of
people
up
north
because
of
taxes
with
people
up
north,
because
you
think
we
have
a
housing
crisis
now,
where
they're
at
when
you
buy
a
house
here
for
half
a
million
million
dollars
a
chump
change,
you
can't
buy
a
house
in
new
york
city.
D
You
can't
buy
an
apartment
in
new
york
city
if
you're
just
a
regular
employee
and
it's
happening
here
and
let
me
tell
you
about
water
costs.
I
would
challenge
anyone
to
give
me
a
better
water
for
the
price
that
we're
delivering
it
to
hear
what
happens
to
the
waterfall
cost
20
years
ago,
or
so
I
offered-
and
I
think
you
were
there
two
dollars
a
month.
D
We
never
charge
for
no
pipes,
we
never
charge
for
no
replacement
of
equipment.
We
charge
for
the
drinking
water
that
we
produce
the
distribution
and
the
metering
and
the
cost
of
setting
the
bills
up.
There
was
never
a
cost
that
I
know
of
to
replace
a
repair,
but
we
were
spending.
You
know
what
20
some
million
dollars
between
the
water
and
the
two
sherry
treatment
lines
that
were
going
to
occur
in
the
water.
Coming
from
howard
current,
I
mean
from
david
tippin,
so
20
some
million
dollars
a
year.
D
I
think
it
was
a
figure
was
about
24..
You
just
multiply
that
time,
10
years
and
what
we
also
did.
That's
what
you're
ordering
the
water
cross
the
water
costs
the
same.
The
same
has
been
when
we
left
the
lesson
many
years
ago.
However,
we
included,
because
if
you
don't
include
it
you're
going
to
be
dumping,
more
water,
more
replacement,
30
million
40
million
and
at
the
end
of
the
day
you
have
nothing
but
leaking
pipes,
both
crucial
treatment
lines
and
water
lines.
D
D
I
am.
That
was
a
condominium
before
the
word
was
invented,
but
let
me
say
something
else:
it
doesn't
make
sense
to
throw
money
away,
repairing,
not
replacing.
So
today
you
did
a
line
here
that
broke
tomorrow.
You
did
one
for
your
ex
the
same
line,
brad
right
there
and
you
spent
you're
running
around
chasing
nothing
because
you
can't
fix
them
all
right.
We
are
in
the
process
now
of
having.
If
we
can
do
all
this
one
of
the
finest
distribution
and
water
and
the
cost
see
the
cost
of
water
has
to
go
up.
D
What
went
up
in
the
bill
is
a
three
dollar
for
each.
Why?
Because
it
saves
millions
of
dollars.
When
you
finance
something
guess
what
happens,
you
only
get
half
of
it
done
because
the
other
half
is
interest,
but
we're
so
stupid
in
america
that
we
think,
oh,
we
financed
that
it
gets
done.
It
gets
done
all
right,
but
somebody's
getting
four
and
a
half
five
percent
interest.
D
D
D
That's
why
you
have
to
have
an
alternative
that
doesn't
happen.
You
get
that
water.
You
comply
with
the
october
31
31
19
2021
deadline.
You
comply
with
that.
That's
the
first
thing
you
got
to
do.
What
are
you
going
to
do
with
water?
If
you
tell
me
going
to
do
it,
they're
going
to
say
what
it
doesn't
say,
you
can't
do
that
in
the
law.
D
D
Surely
they
come
over
here
to
do
something?
They
don't
want
to
hear
city
council,
but
they
do
they're
going
to
go
to
the
largest
park
zoo
they
want
to
go
to
the
aquarium.
They
want
to
go
like
all
kids.
Do
they
want
to
see
what
they
got
to
see
so
we'll
get
some
residual
value
from
that
alone
and
mr
chairman,
I
apologize,
but
I'll
stop
right
now.
D
I
Yeah,
sorry,
I've
got
a
few
quick
comments
and
questions.
First
of
all,
I
think
there,
as
I
said
before
and
other
times,
there's
no
question
that
we're
gonna
have
to
do
this
sometime
in
the
future.
There
obviously
is
technology
around
the
world
where
people
use
this
the
the
choice
of
technology.
In
this
case,
I
think,
is
being
questioned
by
a
lot
of
environmentalists.
They
don't
trust
it,
but
the
the
big
issue
is:
when
do
we
do
it
and
how
do
we
do
it?
I
And
it's
been
proven,
multiple
ways
that
we
don't
need
to
do
it
now,
other
than
that
we
have
a
legislation,
that's
coming
forward.
That's
that's
come
forward,
that's
requiring
us
to
do
it.
Otherwise
we
wouldn't
we
wouldn't
rush
this.
It's.
I
think
it's
reckless
and
irresponsible
to
put
this
cost
on
our
ratepayers
at
a
time
when,
when
we've
just
doubled
the
rate
a
couple
years
ago,
you
all
know
that
you
heard
from
our
constituents
a
lot
of
because
of
the
we
didn't
do
extends
of
public
engagement.
I
Many
people
in
the
public
didn't
know
that
their
rates
were
going
to
double
and
they
called
us
complaining
because
they
can't
afford
it.
There
are
a
lot
of
people
who
can't
afford
that
extra
forty
dollars
or
whatever
their
bill
is
per
month,
and
I
think
we
have
an
obligation
to
them
to
make
sure
that
we
don't
raise
their
rates
until
we
need
to.
This
is
not
like
replacing
pipes
that
are
falling
apart.
I
This
is
about
solving
a
problem,
that's
30
years
into
the
future
and
or
providing
a
solution
for
a
once
in
a
lifetime,
drought
event
or
a
once
in
20
years.
Drought
event,
which
still
was
solved
through
our
regional
plan
mike.
My
first
question
to
you
is:
is
in
the
public
engagement.
Are
you
all
going
to
show
the
four
all
four
options?
Are
you
only
going
to
show
the
top
two
or
three.
K
So,
over
the
next
a
few
months,
we
will
be
working
on
the
recommendations
that
were
shown
by
our
public
outreach
team
and
we'll
use
that
information,
of
course,
to
incorporate
in
the
combination
we
end
up
with,
which
will
be
either
combination,
two
or
combination
three.
I
Why
wouldn't
you
or
I'll
ask
that
question?
Can
you
and
if
I
need
to
make
a
motion,
I
think
it's,
I
think
it's
necessary
for
the
public
to
see
what
the
options
are.
I
mean
one
of
them
is
the
what
I
call
the
purple
pipes
and
I
think
they
need
simpler
names
by
the
way,
but
in
talking
to
the
public
or
or
it
will
be
a
b
c
and
d,
but
they
they
need
to
be
explained
in
a
simple
way.
I
But
if
the
public
has
been
saying,
we
would
rather
put
this
water
on
our
yards
instead
of
putting
drinking
water
on
our
yards
and
then
drink
drink,
the
potty
water,
and
so
if
we
give
them
a
choice-
and
we
say
your
rate's
going
to
go
up
by
40
a
month,
if
we
do
one
version,
it'll
go
up
by
80
a
month.
If
we
do
another
version,
then
they
have
the
choice.
They
can
give
us
feedback,
but
if
we
don't
give
them
a
choice,
then
it
looks
like
we're
just
ramming.
I
One
idea
down,
I
think,
give
them
give
give
them
the
chance
to
give
us
feedback
on
which
one
they
don't
want,
and
I
can
tell
you
from
my
experience
in
public
engagement,
it's
always
necessary
to
give
them
options.
They
can
they
can
throw
away.
Otherwise,
it's
a
yes
no
vote
on
the
recommendation.
You
have
in
front
of
you.
K
Okay,
I
that's
my
mistake.
I
apologize.
We
will
as
part
of
the
public
involvement,
be
you
know,
providing
the
information
on
the
alternatives,
analysis
report
and
it
that
report
will
be
available
online
to
the
public
as
well,
and
it
has
all
four
combinations.
I
When
you
present
to
the
public,
will
you
say
here
are
the
here's?
The
here
are
the
reasons
you
know
the
state
legislation,
minimum
flows,
saltwater
intrusion.
These
are
the
three
reasons
why
we
need
to
do
this
and
then
here
are
four
alternatives
that
we
propose
and
study
and
here's
the
outcome
of
that.
Give
us
your
feedback
on
these
as
compared
to
what
the
goals.
J
Yeah,
thank
you
councilman.
I
just
want
to
add
to
what
brad
was
sharing
part
of
what
we're
going
to
be
doing
with
our
next
phase
of
public
engagement
is
working
with
our
team.
Again,
of
course,
we'll
have
a
a
multifaceted
team
and
finding
better
ways
to
communicate,
alter
the
alternatives
in
language
that
is,
is
layman's
terms,
understandable.
The.
J
We
committed
to
that
solution,
neutral
approach,
so,
okay,
we
want
to
present
all
the
options
that
are
available,
even
if,
if
they're
options
where
we
know
people
want
but
they're,
not
really
solving
the
problem
we're
trying
to
solve
so
you
know
we
haven't
laid
those
details
out
as
yet,
but
we
want
to
be
solution
neutral
and
using
terms
and
questions
and
information
that
people
can
understand
what
we're
talking
about
without
too
many
acronyms.
As
you
heard
earlier,.
I
Because,
if
the
public,
if
we
have
an
objective
presentation,
the
public
and
we
present
all
the
alternatives
and
the
pros
and
cons
of
each
and
the
public
comes
back
and
says
yeah,
we
really
we
really
like
a
certain
option.
If
it's
the
option
you
all
propose
in
the
beginning,
then
I
think
we
would
go
along
with
it.
If
it
looks
like
it
was
extensive
public
engagement.
My
second.
J
I
was
just
going
to
add
we'd
like
the
facts
to
let
everyone
come
to
the
most
likely
majority
conclusion
that
we
would
probably
have
of
what
is
the
best
alternative.
That's
the
best
way
to
get
that
consensus
is
let
the
facts
speak
for
themselves,
so
we're
working
on
doing
that
in
the
simplest.
I
It's
just
the
facts
and,
as
we
said
before,
you
said
solution,
we
need
to
make
sure
that
the
facts
are
presented
in
the
in
in
the
in
an
accurate
way
like,
like
you
know,
the
met
we
talked
about
this
before,
but
the
message
we
need
this
for
for
supply
is,
it
is,
is
you
sure
you
can
show
numbers
that
say
that's
true
and
you
can
show
numbers
that
say:
that's
not
true.
So
my
second
question
is
miss
miranda
made
a
motion
a
few
weeks
ago
to
have
water
staff
and
tampa
bay.
K
Yes,
so
that
was
the
next
thing
I
was
going
to
talk
about,
so
thank
you.
I
I
In
in
my
conversation
with
gene
and
chuck
the
other
day,
I
followed
up
with
tampa
bay
water
tim.
This
is
not
an
official
message
to
me
or
anything,
but
I
think
and
miss
miranda
sits
on
the
board,
but
the
city
notified
tampa
bay,
water.
I
think
a
day
or
two
before
the
last
board
meeting
that
that
the
city
needs
a
decision
by
october
as
to
whether
tampa
bay,
water
can
buy
20
million
gallons
a
day,
and
that
was
the
first
really
that
tampa
bay.
I
I
How?
How
do
we,
if
we're
happy,
if
our
purpose
is
to
have
an
honest
dialogue
and
and
look
for
honest
options?
How
do
we
do
that
and
then
and
then
connected
to
that?
Is
it
possible
to
go
back
under
the
legislation
to
go
back
to
the
legislature
and
say
where
in
earnest
trying
to
come
up
with
alternatives,
but
we
need
a
little
bit
more
time
to
be
able
to
give
you
the
answer,
this
question
or
give
them
a
tentative
answer
and
then
and
then
and
then
come
back
with
a
final
answer.
K
K
And
we,
I
was
not
there,
I
was
on
vacation,
but
my
understanding
is.
We
got
the
approval
to
proceed
to
have
those
discussions
and
the
discussions
need
to
include
two
primary
things:
one,
the
purchase
of
20
million
gallons
a
day,
as
you
just
mentioned,
associated
with
combination
two
for
combination.
Two
to
help
solve
our
three
problems.
K
I
So
can
we
go
ahead
and
start
requesting
a
delay,
and
I
don't
know
what
other
cities
are
doing
this
and
and
then
simultaneously?
Couldn't
we
get
our
lobbyists
for
the
city
to
start
asking
for
appeal
since
the
since
the
leadership
in
tallahassee's
changing
it
sounded
like
this
got
forced
through
before
it's
a
huge
unfunded
mandate
that
is
going
to
put
a
burden
on
our
ratepayers
and
especially
people
who
are
working
week
to
week,
it's
going
to
be
a
horrible
increase
for
them.
K
But
I
understood
that's
not
been
the
position
of
the
city
administration
to
this
point
and
we
are
working
with
a
group
of
utilities
across
florida
on
you
know,
submitting
the
plan
and
so
that
we're
all
all
the
utilities
are
on
the
same
page.
I
One
of
the
options,
one
of
the
options
that's
not
in
there
is,
if
I
remember
correctly,
we
we
draw
something
like
11
mgd
from
sulphur
springs
and
the
result
of
that
is
saltwater
intrusion.
I
K
I
I'll
just
say
this
and
then
and
then
I'll
be
quiet
for
now,
but
it
seems
to
me
that
the
biggest
option
that's
not
on
the
table
is
that
we
would
go
to
somebody
like
taylor.
What
are
ideally
because
they're,
the
regional
wholesale
supplier
and
we
would
offer
to
sell
them
the
50
mgd.
I
I
You
sold
all
of
our
water
at
at
that
125
and
then
we
only
buy
back
what
we
need
and
if
we
needed
the
11
mg
data
to
replace
silver
springs,
we
could
buy
that.
But
we
could.
We
could
include
in
the
contract
again
first
right
of
refusal
or
guaranteed
buyback.
So
then
we
would
have
access
to
50
mgd,
which
would
take
us
probably
to
the
next
hundred
years.
I
And
we
wouldn't
have
to
our
ratepayers,
wouldn't
have
to
spend
the
six
billion
dollars
or
two
billion
dollars
to
build
all
of
it.
We
would
just
buy
the
water
we
need,
and
and
since
we
don't
need
excess
supply
for
at
least
20
years,
then
all
we're
trying
to
do
is
solve
the
the
saltwater
intrusion
issue
right
and
then
flows
and
I'm.
K
In
my
flaws,
yes,
the
my
mr
understanding
right
now.
B
Yes,
I'm
going
to
let
you
make
that
point
on
that,
but
then
I
want
to
take
this
public
comment,
because
I
want
to
end
this
meeting
at
four
and
the
next
time
we
have
a
water
issue
about
pure
mr
shelby.
So
you
can
understand
me
for
the
agenda,
because
this
is
a
a
hot
topic
with
a
lot
of
people
talking.
I'm
not
gonna
fill
the
agenda
up
on
that
day.
B
If
we
have
to
go
back
with
another
discussion
about
pure,
so
I
want
to
make
that
clear
to
the
administration
and
mr
shelby
and
the
clerk's
office.
When
pure
comes
back,
we
will
make
sure
that
the
items
are
cut
down,
so
we
can
get
through
whatever
discussion
we
do,
because
these
are
a
lot
of
topics
that
keep
coming
up.
K
Yes,
it
would
take
quite
a
bit
of
time
to
answer.
E
K
Issues
that
mr
carlson
brought
up,
but
I
do
want
to
talk
about
the
second
discussions
that
we
want
to
have
with
tampa
bay,
water
and
that
is
partnering
opportunities
associated
with
combination.
Three,
because
combination
three
would
include
freeing
up
the
raw
water
in
the
hillsborough
river
watershed
for
the
region,
which
would
be
a
game
changer
for
tampa
bay,
water
and
for
the
region.
K
So
we
want
to
have
those
discussions
as
well
and
then
finally,
discussions
with
ftep
regarding
the
permeability
of
the
deep
well
injection,
because
combination
2
not
only
requires
selling
20
million
gallons
a
day
to
another
entity.
It
also
requires
to
put
down
the
other
at
least
the
other
30
million
gallons
a
day,
but
in
some
parts
of
the
year,
50
million
gallons
a
day
down
thousands
of
feet
into
the
deep,
well
injection,
and
now
that
may
not
be
considered
by
the
state
to
be
a
beneficial
reuse.
K
But
that's
that's
a
another
discussion
but
and
I'll
hold
off
on
answering
all
the
other.
If
that's
your
pleasure.
B
Let
me
do
this,
I
think
you
know
there's
a
lot
of
discussion
here,
I'll,
let
you
jump
in
jim,
but
then
I
want
to
get
to
those
folks
that
are
waiting,
we're
going
to
cut
it
off
and
we
can
come.
We
can
get
set
another
date
and
bring
it
all
back
and
what
have
you
and
then
we
have
a
longer
day,
because
obviously
this
takes
a
while
with
this
pure
project.
Yes,.
F
Thank
you,
mr
chair
jan
mclean,
with
the
office
of
city
attorney,
and
I
just
want
to
address
one
focused
item
that
mr
carlson
has
raised,
and
others
is
race
as
well,
and
that's
the
requirement
within
the
legislation
that
we
submit
a
plan
to
the
dep
by
november
1st
of
this
year.
That
isn't
something
that
can
be
extended,
and
I
was
on
a
conversation
yesterday
with
dozens
of
utilities
on
the
teleconference,
and
we
were
all
discussing
how
we
were
going
to
comply
with
that
requirement.
F
It's
a
it's
a
date
certain
that
you
have
to
submit
a
plan
and
if
you
don't
submit
a
plan
or
if
your
plan
is
rejected,
then
you
are
subject
to
enforcement
by
the
state
three
different
kinds
of
enforcement
and
that
by
2028
you
may
not
be
able
to
discharge
what
you
are
discharging
as
of
this
time,
and
let
me
just
say
that
those
enforcement
opportunities
for
the
state
include
monetary
and
injunctive
relief.
So
this
is.
This
is
very
critical
that
we
meet
that
november
first
date.
F
B
We
have
any
staff
down
there
for
in
the
second
floor.
A
F
A
A
We
clean
our
garbage
cans
around,
so
we
don't
host
raccoons,
we
enjoy
our
beaches
and
it's
embedded
in
us
as
a
child.
If
you
see
paper
or
litter
on
the
floor
to
pick
it
up,
if
you
go
into
a
restaurant
and
they
give
you
a
dirty
glass,
it's
natural
common
sense
to
send
the
glass
back,
because
you
don't
want
to
drink
out
of
a
dirty
glass,
no
less
dirty
water.
A
We
have
been
taught
from
children
to
clean
ourselves,
clean
our
homes
and
we
take
pride
in
it
with
our
bare
hands
and
with
that
ocd
is
passed
down
to
our
children
and,
above
my
daughter,
was
the
age
of
nine
and
she
was
diagnosed
with
shigella
things
that
was
airborne.
I
had
to
sign
paperwork
stating
that
I
wouldn't
sue
the
hospital,
because
this
was
a
medicine
was
being
tried
at
the
university.
I
was
the
first
to
use
it,
and
my
daughter
is
the
young
lady
that
had
triplets
on
christmas.
A
We
made
it
and
we
can
continue
to
make
it
with
doing
simple
things
of
common
sense
of
keeping
ourselves
and
our
community
clean.
If
we
had
the
knowledge
that
these
restaurants
and
other
properties
was
giving
us
reclaimed
water,
we
would
deny
it
you're
giving
us
things
without
our
knowledge-
and
we
don't
know
my
uncle
just
told
me-
I
ate
a
raccoon
before
uncle.
If
I
knew
that
you
was
giving
me
raccoon,
I
don't
think
I
would
have
ate
it
with
choice,
so
give
us
the
choice.
A
A
And
I
will
be
back
to
king
to
continue
and
I
would
like
to
say
before
I
leave
because
I've
been
waiting
since
this
morning
and
I
didn't
want
to
get
caught
up
in
the
hustle
of
bustle
john
dingfly
or
my
daughter
is
the
african
lady.
That
was
there
when
you
in
2019,
and
you
promised
me
and
my
child
that
you
would
give
our
community
back.
I
would
like
to
apologize
from
what
you're
seeing
on
the
media
and
social
media
facebook
with
the
community
killing
ourselves.
A
I
would
like
to
take
these
young
men
and
take
them
to
the
war
we
they
can't.
They
won't
let
them
list
her
because
they
have
records.
Why
not
let
these
young
men
protect
us
like
they're,
protecting
their
family
and,
like
I
said
before,
I'm
representing
robus
park
college
hill
go
yams.
We
are
not
gang,
sir.
These
are
my
friends
children.
These
are
my
children.
These
are
my
sisters.
B
B
B
We
have
any
staffing
that,
on
the
second
floor.
K
B
P
You
name
for
us,
my
name
is
lux
devoid.
I
have
a
couple
of
businesses
in
the
city
limits
of
tampa,
so
I'm
well
familiar
with
the
water
rates.
I
actually
live
in
valrico,
lucky
enough
to
live
on
the
alifaya
river.
It's
really
beautiful
place
recently
on
my
property,
I'm
across
the
street
from
a
a
wastewater
treatment
center
or
a
reclaimed
water
facility
on
lithia
pinecrest
road.
P
They
recently
had
a
pipe
burst
and
flowed
onto
my
property,
and
I
have
to
say
that
that
water
smelled
very
much
of
fecal
material
when
it
sat
and
wherever
it
sat
on
the
ground.
It
created
a
brown
orange
bacterial
scum,
a
large
bloom
of
bacteria
and
and
also
there
was
quite
a
bit
of
soap
foam
on
that
water.
When
it
flowed
anywhere
when
the
county
engineer
came
out
and
they
repaired
the
line,
I
I
thought
for
sure
it
was
sewage.
P
P
Clearly,
when
this
plan
came
out,
it
was
a
huge
concern
for
me
for
that
for
personal
reasons,
but
I
also
have
to
say
I
I'm
not
an
engineer,
but
I
do
have.
I
did.
I
was
a
principal
in
a
company
that
worked
to
clean
up
17,
biologically
dead
bodies
of
water
in
eastern
europe
left
over
from
the
russian
military.
P
I
also
worked
for
many
years
for
fortune
100
company
as
a
senior
analyst
and
a
manager
of
analytics
I've
written
many
many
reports,
many
many
cost-benefit
analyses
and
I
can
kind
of
see
in
a
report
when
the
fix
is
in.
You
know
if
I
learned
anything
and
all
that
time
I
learned
when
I
I
learned
to
recognize
when
one
solution
had
been
prioritized,
not
necessarily
for
reasons
of
data
above
other
potential
solutions
and
that's
clearly
a
concern
I
have
in
this
I'm
very
concerned
when
we
talk
about
processing
the
water
further.
P
If
we
are
going
to
be
addressing
issues
like
glyphosates
and
pharmaceuticals
that
are
in
the
water
that
are
often
not
tested
for
now,
but
I
also
am
concerned
when
I
look
at
when
I
look
at
the
report
itself.
The
thing
I'm
most
concerned
with,
because
in
all
of
those
years
that
I
spent
as
a
senior
analyst
when
we
did
cost
benefit
analysis.
P
The
other
part
of
that
analysis
is
called
an
opportunity
and
risk
analysis,
and
I
have
not
seen
with
these
consultants.
I
have
not
seen
anything
like
a
risk
analysis.
When
I
look
at
the
risk
or
think
about
the
risk
of
spraying.
This
water
onto
golf
courses
that's
a
very,
very
low
risk,
but
there
is
extreme
risk
to.
F
My
name
is
rebecca
flanders,
I
am
a
citizen
and
an
entrepreneur.
Furthermore,
I've
been
trained
in
sustainability
by
the
chief
architect
of
the
bios
biosphere
2
project,
in
arizona
whose
life's
work
is
building
eco
villages
and
his
specialty
is
building
natural
wastewater
treatment
facilities,
utilizing
a
series
of
pools
of
algae
and
bacteria
plants.
Doing
it
the
way
nature
has
done
it
for
millions,
if
not
billions
of
years.
F
The
floridan
aquifer
is
a
natural
treasure
on
par
with
the
grand
canyon,
though
more
humbly.
She
can
only
be
seen
by
most
where
she
bursts
forth
from
the
ground
in
our
natural
springs,
such
as
wikiwatchi,
rainbow
river
lithium
springs
or
our
own
local
purity
springs.
These
are
places
where
pure
clean
drinkable
water
emerges
from
the
ground.
F
Can
you
imagine
something
so
glorious
it
feels
as
if
by
magic,
but
it's
actually
an
ancient
natural
process
designed
by
nature
in
which
plants
bacteria
sand,
soil
and
limestone
act
as
filters
to
purify
the
water
making
it
drinkable
and
potable
to
all
humans
plants
and
animals.
Before
you
propose
to
adulterate
this
national
treasure
of
ours,
I
would
like
to
see.
I
would
like
to
ask
you:
would
you
feed
this
water
to
a
newborn
baby?
F
L
B
B
B
Mr
we
weren't
going
to
bring
this
in
for
atlanta
it's
late.
We
got
a
couple
more
items
and
I
want
to
get
to
before
four
o'clock.
Is
there
anything
else
you
really
need
to
present
other
than
that
we
can
ask
you
to
come
back
and
make
us
a
date
just
for
the
pure
project,
so
we
can
make
sure
have
enough
time
to
get
through
all
the
questions
that
need
to
be.
M
Good
afternoon
mr
chair
council,
brian
morrison
assistant
city
attorney,
I'm
here
on
item
number
seven,
which
is
to
define
our
workforce
workers,
essential
workers
and
affordable
housing
as
it
relates
to
the
law
and
to
the
city
of
tampa
housing
programs.
M
I
would
just
like
to
run
through
sort
of
the
the
basic
criteria
that
both
the
city,
the
state
government
and
the
federal
government
use
for
determining
eligibility
in
their
various
housing
programs,
and
that
is
by
looking
at
individual
or
household
income,
as
it
is
a
percentage
of
the
area
median
income,
so
they'll
break
it
down
into
various
bans,
with
the
most
prominent
ban
being
the
80
percent
of
aryan
median
income
band,
which
is
what
the
u.s
department
of
housing
and
urban
development
calls.
M
M
It
must
be
no
more
than
30
percent
of
the
income,
including
not
just
the
rent
or
the
mortgage
payments,
but
the
taxes
and
the
income
30
at
the
income
range
that
you're
looking
to
make
the
housing
affordable
for
so
for
workforce
housing,
affordable,
workforce
housing
would
be
housing
where
the
the
monthly
rent
or
mortgage
together
with
costs,
would
not
be
more
than
30
percent
of
someone
making
80
percent
or
less
of
the
area
median
income,
and
that
is
also
defined
in
statute
by
florida
law,
then
moving
on
to
essential
worker.
M
M
Now
this
is
an
interim
list
that
they
have
published,
and
I
think
the
understanding
here
is
that
the
next
disaster
that
we
face,
hopefully
a
long
time
from
now-
may
not
be
based
on
contagion
or
disease.
It
could
be
some
other
effect
and
in
that
case,
what
is
essential
to
keeping
our
society
running?
It
could
be
a
different
set
of
industry
sectors,
and
I
know
that
there
are
some
concerns
that
sometimes
private
developers
may
come
in
and
represent
the
council
that
they
are
making
affordable
workforce
housing.
M
But
I
I
think
we
need
to
be
very
clear
that
in
the
private
sector,
those
terms
aren't
binding,
as
they
are
when
they're
used
by
governments.
So
when
a
private
developer
calls
something
affordable,
workforce
housing
that
doesn't
mean
that
it
actually
lines
up
with
hud
or
state
regulations
as
to
what
affordable
workforce
housing
would
mean,
and
for
this
body
I
would
suggest
that
if
you
want
to
make
sure
that
a
developer
representing
this
to
you
is
reserving
certain
units
to
be
affordable.
M
Now
what
may
entice
them
to
to
enter
into
such
agreement
could
vary
whether
you're
giving
certain
extra
considerations,
perhaps
some
funding
if
we
have
it
available
for
those
units
through
a
state
or
federal
program
or
some
other
means
by
which
the
city
could
get
the
developer,
to
enter
into
a
voluntary
agreement
that
they
would
reserve
these
affordable
units
and
then
once
it's
in
writing,
then
it
becomes
enforceable
under
legal
procedure
and
I'm
happy
to
take
any
questions
and
I
believe
we
may
have
some
housing
staff
on
the
line
as
well.
Oh.
B
L
Brian.
I
was
thinking,
as
you
said
this,
that
perhaps
we
can
be
a
little
more
proactive
and
unless
we
have
one
already
is,
maybe
legal
department
can
develop
a
sort
of
a
template,
some
kind
of
template
agreement
in
advance
and
then
that
way,
when
the
developer
comes
in
front
of
us
with
the
rezoning
and
uses
those
terms,
we
can
say:
well,
here's
our
template.
B
Well,
my
man,
brian
you've,
done
it
again.
You
you've
given
some
answers
and
clarify
some
things
for
the
general
public,
because,
like
mr
dingfield
said
and
like
I've
been
saying
when
people
come
see
us
and
all
of
us,
I
have
affordable
housing
for
you.
You
know
you
don't
have
a
fourth
cloud.
B
You
have
some
housing,
but
it
might
be
mr
charlie,
miranda's,
affordable
housing
because
you
know
he
got
more
money
than
I
got
so
that
he
might
fit
in
that
character
or,
mr,
mr
vieira.
You
know
it
might
might
fit
his
category,
you
know
so
I
I
think
mr
steamfield
is
right.
We
need
to
find
a
way
to
make
a
policy,
but
while
you're
here
I'm
waiting
for
something
that
comes,
I
have
a
copy
of
some
information.
B
You
know
they
know
I've
been
talking
for
a
while
and
one
council.
I've
got
some
information
for
you
and
I
want
you
to
hear
about
these
six
different
points
that
could
really
help
with
private
developers
dealing
with
our
crisis
of
housing,
because
their
main
interest
is
is
is
to
make
money,
but
also
they
do
want
to
have
a
nice
place
for
certain
people
to
live
in.
Will
it
be
luxury
or
it
be
a
place
that
someone
can
lay
their
head
at
night,
but
they
do
have
some
some
ideas
about
micro.
B
They
have
some
ideas
about
how
the
city,
when
you
talk
about,
maybe
a
a
tax
abatement,
doing
some
things
like
that
to
where
they
look
at
you
know
I
want
to
do
it,
but
how
do
I?
How
do
I
get
this
extra
subsidy
to
really
be
able
to
do
affordable
housing
that
which
I
call
affordable?
I
mean
mr
dingfelder
say
that's
affordable.
B
So
I
have
some
suggestions
here
that
I
I'm
going
to
have
something
to
give
you
a
copy
of,
and
that
way
we
can
get
it
to
the
housing
bill.
I'm
not
going
to
make
a
motion
today
because
I
I
trust
you
because
you
always
do
what
you
tell
me
you're
going
to
do.
That's
that
way.
You
can
bring
these
answers
back
to
me,
but
also
on
another
housing
gentleman.
B
Do
you
do
you
know
that
the
the
clerk
sends
our
real
estate
department
notices
when
they're
buildable
houses
that
go
up
yourself,
which
have
our
tasks,
have
our
city
liens
on
them?
B
Yeah
the
real
estate
department
gets
a
letter
from
the
tax
from
the
miss
stewart's
office,
saying
that
they're
unpaid
taxes
whatever
and
they
have
these
options.
So
my
question
to
our
real
estate
department:
why
are
we
not
going
after
these
houses
that
become
dilapidated
in
these
communities
that
we
possibly
can
go?
Give
it
a
cra?
B
B
So
when
I,
when
I
was
told
about
this-
and
I
saw
this-
and
I
didn't
call
miss
stewart
yet-
but
trust
me
by
by
next
week-
I'll
be
calling
her
about
it,
because
when
I
saw
the
letter
that
she
sends
out
to
the
municipalities,
because
people
have
had
code
enforcement
leads
on
that
property.
So
my
question
do
do
do
if
it's
if
the
property
is
is,
is
is
bidded
on
and
awarded
well
how
much
money
we've
been
making
in
the
last
two
or
three
years?
B
How
much
money
we
actually
bring
in
to
the
funeral
fund
and
reference
those
liens
and
the
other
section
is:
why
are
we
not
trying
to
have
our
real
estate
department
somebody
bid
on
these
houses
that
are
in
our
community?
All
these
lots
not
taking
many
property
that
that
are
that
are
bettable,
and
we
put
that
into
a
housing
stock
that
we
can
start
going
out
again
go
here.
We
go
with
apprenticeship
program,
mr
riera,
and
have
a
program
that
we
can
have
the
jail.
B
Some
of
these
places
do
some
training
to
help
with
some
of
this
rehab
and
look
at
other
means
of
making
things
work.
What
mr
miranda
just
said,
was
it
100
feet
down
there?
Dear
mr
miranda,
for
for
the
throw
some
mud?
What
cost
us?
Nine
thousand
dollars?
Gentlemen,
nine
thousand
dollars
to
put
a
sidewalk
from
here
to
there?
B
B
So
you
would
get
me
some
information
brian
and
come
back
to
this
body
about
what
I'm
going
to
give
you
and
also
about
these
tax.
B
Liens
it'd
be
most
appreciative.
You
gave
a
lot
of
information
about
this
since
your
work,
because
a
lot
of
people
were
confused
about
what
that
was.
That's
why
I
asked
tell
me
what
that
means.
So
now
that
word
could
be
anybody
versus
people
would
think
it
could
be
your
mcdonald's
work,
but
obviously
the
essential
work
as
defined
is
basically
could
be
anybody
with
an
essential
need
during
a
crisis.
B
I
think
we
have
to.
We
have
to
establish
some
type
of
system
in
place,
because
we
we
we
don't
have
a
system
in
place,
so
you
can
come
back
with
us
sooner
rather
than
later.
I
know
you're
a
busy
guy
because
you're
doing
a
lot
of
work
for
us,
but
you
I
like
the
way
you
work,
you
give
great
answers
and
you
always
are
there
to
try
to
make
sure
things
happen
for
the
citizens.
I
appreciate
you
coming
to
board.
You
were
a
great
hire
by
mrs
grimes.
B
B
Q
Good
afternoon
council,
susan
johnson,
velez
senior
assistant
city
attorney
council
members,
item
number
eight
is
a
report
in
response
to
your
motion
back
on
april
15th,
in
which
you
requested
the
legal
department
to
look
into
the
new
zoning
ordinance
from
the
city
of
chicago
that
addressed
anti-d
conversion
and
anti-displacement,
and
also
look
at
other
cities
around
the
country
that
have
taken
steps
to
mitigate
displacement.
That
sometimes
occurs
along
with
gentrification,
and
so
I
did
submit
to
you
a
staff
report
on
that.
Q
We
looked
at
the
chicago
ordinance.
The
chicago
ordinance
was
concerned
with
what
was
occurring
in
terms
of
displacement
there
in
chicago,
which
was
a
loss
of
of
density.
So
the
issue
that
they
were
experiencing
in
chicago
was
developers
coming
in
and
taking
small
unit
apartment
buildings,
two
and
three
unit
apartment
buildings
and
either
converting
them
into
single
family
units
or
reducing
the
number
of
units
in
that
building.
Q
And
so
their
concern
was
with
maintaining
the
density
in
these
two
specific
areas,
as
detailed
in
my
staff
report,
chicago
also
undertook
and
is
trying
out
a
surcharge
tax
for
demolition.
So
if
a
developer
is
coming
in
and
either
demolishing
a
single
family
home
or
demolishing
a
small
unit
apartment
building,
then
they
have
to
pay
five
thousand
dollars
per
unit.
If
there
are
three
or
more
units
in
the
building
and
if
it's
a
single
family
home,
then
it's
fifteen
thousand
dollars
that
tax
is
currently
the
subject
of
a
lawsuit.
Q
Lawsuit
was
filed
immediately
after
the
ordinance
imposing
that
surcharge
tax
was
was
adopted,
and
so
none
of
these
attempts
at
mitigating
displacement
have
really
been
in
place
long
enough
to
determine
what
effect
they're
having
if
they're,
addressing
the
the
issue
of
displacement
that
chicago
is
experiencing.
Q
The
report
does
also
detail
other
cities
throughout
the
country
that
I
that
I
took
a
look
at
charlotte
north
carolina
atlanta,
austin,
texas,
portland
oregon
that
have
that
have
tried
other
different
methods
to
address
displacement.
That's
occurring
in
their
in
their
cities.
For
example,
some
of
them
have
have
adopted
a
preference
policy
that
allows
residents
in
an
existing
neighborhood
that
is
experiencing
gentrification
and
displacement
to
either
remain
in
the
neighborhood
or
have
first
choice
or
preference
for
new,
affordable
housing
opportunities
within
the
neighborhood.
I
I
As
far
as
I
know,
the
biggest
displacement-
that's
happened
in
the
last
20
years
was
north
boulevard
homes,
and
that
was
two
government
agencies,
including
the
city
of
tampa,
and
what
was
that
a
thousand
people
that
a
thousand
families
I
think
they
got
displaced
and
that
I,
I
think
we
one
of
the
reasons
why
I
ran
for
office
to
make
sure
that
we
don't
do
that
kind
of
thing
again.
You
know
other
cities
that
I've
been
to
on
the
chamber.
I
But
we
didn't
build
anything
to
replace
it
and
and,
as
a
result,
there's
a
big
argument
about
the
numbers,
but
the
numbers
I
saw
were
70
percent
of
people
left
the
city,
so
that
exacerbates
the
transportation
problems
and
the
school
issues
and
creates
concentrations
of
poverty
in
places
like
brandon
and
the
usf
area,
and
so
we,
I
think
we
need
to
look
very
carefully
about
the
social
implications
of
this
and
we
need
to
make
sure
that
we
don't
allow
government
agencies
or
government
partners
to
do
that
again.
Thank
you.
B
Well,
mr
les,
thank
you
for
the
hard
work
you
know
we
met
and
talked
about
this.
There
seems
to
be
no
perfect
fix
at
this
time,
but
I
don't
want
to
say
what
we
can
do.
We
have
to
look
at
what
we
can
do.
We
do
have
some
concerns
in
the
city
about
gentrification,
so
I
I
know
we're
bogged
down.
A
lot
of
different
issues
are
going
on.
That's
why
I
keep
saying
we've
got
to
build
a
special
team
around
some
of
these
situations.
B
That's
why
I'm
fighting
so
hard
to
get
housing
more
people
in
that
department
talk
to
the
chief
about
outsourcing
some
of
the
stuff.
We
need
a
team,
a
specialized
team
to
handle
something
because
they
don't
have
the
staff
to
do
a
lot
of
this
work.
But
what
I
would
say
is
that
we
need
to
look
at
the
numbers
and
we
need
to
look
at.
B
B
Decent
condos
doesn't
have
to
have
those
grand
all
kind
of
stuff
but
decent
living.
It's
affordable.
I
think
look
with
some
of
the
ideas
that
you
may
see
on
what
I'm
going
to
submit
and
some
of
the
ideas
reference
to
rehabbing
and
doing
some
other
things
and
work
with
these
developers.
B
We
may
be
able
to
accomplish
some
of
this
stuff,
but
we
still
need
to
have
a
plan
to
make
sure
that
we're
not
gentrifying
or
just
taking
a
community
and
just
totally
transforming
it
to
where
it's
just
in
a
market
that
most
people
can't
live
there
anymore.
You
talked
about
some
places
said
about
the
property
taxes.
That's
the
first
thing
I
hear
well.
My
house
was
only
valued
at
nine
thousand
dollars.
B
Now
I've
got
this
450
house
next
to
me
my
taxes
are
increasing,
even
though
it
doesn't
increase
that
fast,
but
over
time
it
will
go
up.
So
I
think,
looking
at
a
plan,
we
have
to
look
for
the
future
and
that
way
people
won't
say
we're
not
doing
anything.
So
it
does
take
time.
But
again,
we've
got
to
have
a
team
to
start
looking
to
build
those
benchmarks,
so
we
can
be
ready
to
be
able
to
advocate
and
do
what
you
do
for
the
people
in
the
city,
especially
those
marginalized
communities.
B
So
I
thank
you
for
your
work.
I
see
abby's
writing
down
so
but
again,
I
think
that
when
budget
time
comes,
I
think
most
of
this
council
understands
what
the
primary
goal
has
to
be
in
the
in
the
mayor's
budget
has
to
be
a
housing
plan
because
we're
going
to
have
a
crisis
soon
forthcoming
and
we've
got
to
be
able
to
deal
with
it.
Sometimes
you
think
you
recognize,
mr
veer.
Will
you
just
see
your
hand?
First
pop-up,
mrs
jane
fell
the
first
and
I'll,
give
you
another
point
of
order.
B
L
Mr
chairman,
in
regard
to
to
item
eight
and
housing
and
gentrification,
clearly
one
of
the
biggest
challenges
facing
us
as
a
city
and
as
a
county
and
as
a
community
is
the
housing
and
affordable
housing.
L
One
thing
I
don't
when
it
comes
to
this
gentrification
issue.
One
thing
I
I
don't
really
agree
with
based
upon
what
I've
read
in
my
own
personal
experience
is.
Is
I
think
that
that
home
ownership
is
a
is
a
fantastic
thing
for
folks
who
have
been
fortunate
enough
to
own
their
own
home
and
if
they
own
their
own
home
in
an
area
where
the
property
values
are
rising,
then
their
property
is
rising,
their
their
family's
net
worth
is
increasing
and
I
think
that's
a
positive
thing
for
for
everybody.
L
You
can
borrow
against
your
house
and
send
your
children
to
college
or
whatever
you
want
to
do,
or
you
can
sell
your
house
and
move
somewhere
else
and,
and
your
house
is
probably
quadrupled
in
the
last
couple
of
years.
So
so
I
think
that
you
know
that
that
part
of
gentrification
is
a
positive
thing
and
also
when
it
comes
to
taxes,
the
state
of
florida
for
better
or
worse,
has
limited
tax
increases
to
three
percent
per
year
per
household.
L
So
as
long
as
you
don't
as
long
as
you
don't
give
up
that
homestead
you're
protected
and
it's
only
going
to
increase
three
percent,
no
matter
how
big
that
house
is
next
door
and
we
we
all
know
that
I'm
preaching
to
the
choir,
but
but
one
thing
that
that
we
do
have
to
focus
on
is
rental
housing
and
rental
prices,
because
in
certain
parts
of
town,
where
folks
have
been
able
to
live
comfortably,
let's
say
for
five
or
six
hundred
dollars
a
month
for
a
family
of
four
or
something
like
that
now
they're,
looking
at
you
know
a
thousand
dollars
and
twelve
hundred
dollars,
and
you
know
it's
definitely,
you
know,
could
it
could
be
doubled,
what
they
used
to
pay
and
that's
what's
going
to
force
people
out
and-
and
so
I
think
yes,
it's
a
wonderful
thing
for
us
to
focus
some
of
our
efforts
on
getting
people
into
new
homes,
and
you
know
helping
helping
the
middle
class
get
into
homes
that
they
can
own.
L
That's
a
good
thing,
but
I
think
the
really
more
urgent
issue
is
is
focusing
our
attention
and
focusing
on
the
what
little
money
we
have
on
on
this
rental
crisis,
and
you
know,
and
how
we
do
that
is,
is
another
discussion
for
another
day.
Mr.
B
Geneva,
I
would
agree
totally
because
I've
said
before
everybody's
not
ready
to
be
a
homeowner.
Everyone
is
not
because
with
a
home
there's
a
lot
of
responsibility
when
something
breaks
you've
got
to
have
money
to
fix
it
and
you're
like
calling
the
the
landlord
to
call
the
maintenance
man.
So
I
totally
agree
with
that,
but
I
think
the
problem
you
have
in
a
lot
of
modernized
communities
is
that
there's
no
education
component,
so
people
can
understand
because
what
happens
is
miss
jones
is
90..
Her
son
gets
the
house.
B
B
We
have
to
be
able
to
help
those
folks
out
with
rehabbing
those
homes
to
stay
in
those
homes,
and
that's
why
I'm
glad
my
good
friend,
mr
mr
mr
bryant,
back
there
told
the
cr
my
message
about
what
he
added
in
to
be
helping
our
rehab
program,
hoping
he's
going
to
pass
that
on
to
abby,
because
these
are
the
type
of
things
that
you
have
to
have
to
keep
people
in
their
homes.
You
have
to
rehab
this
home.
B
B
So
we
gotta
have
a
process
for
them
as
well
to
be
able
to
help
everybody.
That's
why
you
got
to
have
some
different
ideas,
some
different
funding
that
is,
there's
non-subsidized
funding
to
be
able
to
help
some
of
these
people
to
be
able
to
build.
Because,
again,
when
you,
when
you,
when
you
get
a
brand
new
soon
you
go
somewhere,
you
look
clean.
You
feel
good,
you
smell
good.
B
I
I
just
thank
you.
I
just
wanted
to
quickly
amplify
what
you
were
saying
about
many
things,
but
in
particular
about
intervention
of
the
private
sector.
Private
sector
has
expertise,
they
have
ability
to
have
access
to
grant
funding
nationally
and
statewide.
They
have
staff,
so
they
can
move
quickly
and
also
they
have
innovation,
and
it
doesn't
mean
we.
I
think
we
need
to
think
differently
about
this.
I
We
need
to
have
big
goals
in
the
number
of
of
housing
that
we
cut
bring,
but
then
we
need
to
think
smaller
about
the
the
pockets
of
of
contracts
and
deals
that
we
do
and
spread
it
out
and
not,
and
the
private
sector
doesn't
only
include
for-profits.
It
also
includes
non-profits,
like
habitat
and
grace
point,
and
just
to
make
a
point
someone.
I
I
knew
moved
into
grace
point
a
couple
weeks
ago
and
I
went
by
there
and
the
brand
new
unit
beautiful
facilities,
great
amenities,
I
mean
better
than
most
apartments
and
it's
like
650
a
month
and
and
and
they're
able
to
bring
other
it's
a
non-profit,
that's
working
with
for-profit
and
the
government,
and
then
they
even
bring
in
other
services
to
provide
things
like
dishes
and
furniture
and
and
the
more
that
we
can
leverage
the
limited
money
and
staff
time.
I
B
I
E
E
But
we
also
have
to
join
forces
not
only
with
hillsborough
county
making
sure
that
we
have
transportation
so
that
we
can
lower
our
parking
standards,
making
sure
that
we're
working
with
the
builders
so
that
we
can
have
more
efficient
and
resilient
homes
where
people
don't
have
to
pay
two
hundred
dollars
a
month
for
electricity.
E
B
Else,
ms
velez,
thank
you
for
your
report.
Fabulous
job
as
usual.
We
just
we
just
keep
the
foot
on
the
pedal
and
keep
this
thing
moving
all
right.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
all
right,
our
last
item
of
the
day
I
remember
10.,
so
we
get
mr
beer
or
some
pizza
or
something
good
afternoon,
chair
and
council.
This
is
carol
post.
Can
you
hear
me?
Yes,
she
is
tara,
pulse.
R
I
I
want
to
address
item
10,
but
just
want
to
reflect
on
hearing
the
conversation
you
just
had
about
housing
and
recognize
that
many
of
the
ideas
and
thoughts
that
you
suggested
are
being
looked
into
and
explored
and
appreciate
the
emphasis
that
you
put
on
that.
So
I
think
there's
more
to
come
there.
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
though.
On
item
number
10,
this
item
is
up
for
workshop
today.
I
know
we're
very
tight
on
time,
so
we
will
move
through
this
rapidly.
R
This
is
the
interim
development
control
ordinance,
which
has
been
before
city
council
several
times
since
february
was
originally
initiated
back
in
december
of
2020
on
may
6,
the
council
considered
a
version
of
the
ordinance
and
again
reflecting
this,
would
restrict
use
of
the
far
provision
city-wide
for
single-use
residential
development
in
three
designated
land
use
categories.
R
First
relative
to
this
matter
recall
that
the
comp
plan
amendment
would
be
the
permanent
change
to
use
of
the
far
in
certain
situations,
and
it
would
be
to
cap
density
consistent
with
the
comp
plan,
as
that
process
is
underway.
It
includes
a
lot
of
public
input
sessions
and
the
concept
of
excluding
parcels
that
are
proximate
to
transportation.
Corridors
is
a
part
of
that
discussion.
It's
actually
been
a
and
will
be
an
active
part
of
the
final
assessment.
R
That
comp
plan
amendment
is
actually
tracking
on
schedule.
It
is
targeted
to
be
presented
to
council
for
transmittal
on
september.
30Th,
so
it's
right
around
the
corner,
so
the
discussion
you
have
today
could
certainly
help
inform
that
further
dialogue
about
the
comp
plan
amendment
and
just
clarifying
for
members
of
the
public
who
may
still
be
listening
in
that
today.
There
is
no
action.
There's
no
vote
on
this
matter.
This
is
just
a
workshop
item,
so
I'll
turn
over
quickly
to
randy.
R
C
Good
afternoon,
council,
if
I
could
share
my
screen.
C
And
I
think
you
have
my
presentation
on
the
screen
so
we'll
get
through
quickly.
This
is
just
a
summary
of
the
the
motion
that
was
made
for
the
workshop.
C
Just
one
item
for
just
for
order
is
the
motion
reference
policy,
five,
one,
five
dot,
one:
nine
in
the
comp
plan,
the
reference
to
the
mickey's
corridors
is
actually
in
the
preamble
for
goal.
Six,
it's
not
a
big
issue.
We
just
wanted
for
the
record
to
make
it
clear
that
the
the
policies
that
we're
talking
about
fall
into
goal-
six,
not
under
five
point,
one
point:
nine:
the
powers.
C
The
presentation
includes
the
goals
we
just
included
them
just
again
for
the
record
in
case
somebody
sees
the
presentation
and
wants
to
reference
back
to
the
presentation.
Reference
back
to
the
policies
pertaining
to
mixed
use.
Corridors
on
the
left
is
the
land
use
categories
for
the
cc35,
the
cmu-35
and
the
umu-60
on
the
right
is
the
mixed-use
corridors,
the
one
one-quarter
mile
buffer
for
the
mixed-use
corridors
referenced
in
the
comprehensive
plan
in
the
next
slide.
We
show
the
plan
of
the
parcels.
C
These
are
the
the
parcels
that
have
the
designation
of
the
cmu-35
cc35
and
uv-60,
which
are
inside
the
buffer,
so
these
would
be
the
under
this
proposal.
These
would
be
the
parcels
that
would
be
allowed
to
use
this
far
for
single-use
residential
on
the
right.
It
shows
in
red.
The
parcels
that
would
fall
outside
fall
outside
the
buffer
zooming
in
on
west
shore
shows
the
pattern
again
of
what's
inside
the
buffer.
C
What's
outside
the
buffer,
you
can
see
that
there's
some
quite
a
few
parcels
that
are
on
one
core
along
roads
that
are
outside
the
mixture's
corridor,
quite
a
few
that
are
inside
the
corridor.
When
we
look
into
the
central
area
again,
we
have
that
same
sort
of
pattern
of
sort
of
cutting
up
the
city
and
some
inside
some
outside.
We
start
seeing
a
little
bit
of
the
nuances
of
the
of
the
provision
up
in
the
upper
right.
C
C
Looking
at
the
the
south
tampa
area
again,
what's
in
the
corridors
quite
a
bit,
that
is
in
the
quarter
quite
a
bit
outside
some
of
it.
That
was
mentioned
during
the
public
hearings
in
the
past,
a
couple
of
provisions
again
that
are
showing
up
a
split
parcel
here,
showing
that
the
land
is
in
outside
of
the
corridor.
But
then
here
when
we
talked
about
on
the
surface,
this
looks
like
it's
in
the
corridor.
But
it's
not.
This
parcel
on
rattlesnake
point
is
not
one
mile
walking
distance.
C
You
have
to
walk
all
the
way
around
to
come
to
bridge
street
and
then
come
back.
That's
not
inside
the
the
area
that
would
be
exempt
based
on
the
definition.
C
So
when
we
looked
at
all
of
these
patterns,
what
we
we
sort
of
picked
up,
that
the
use
of
corridors
would
reduce
the
geographical
impact
of
the
the
far
limitation,
obviously
allowing
it
to
happen
in
the
corridors.
However,
when
you
looked
at
the
pattern,
what
we
saw
is
that
it
would
it's
going
to
create
a
something,
a
little
complicated
for
the
applicants
for
the
property
owners,
but
even
staff
to
be
able
to
definitively
determine
which
parcels
are
in
and
which
parcels
are
outside
of
the
mixed
use
corridors.
C
Demonstrate
which
ones
are
in
the
corridor,
as
I
mentioned,
there's
also
parcels
that
are
split.
Those
the
ones
that
identified
were
the
ones
that
were
easily
visible
on
our
maps
or
probably
could
be
many
more
that
are
that
are
split,
but
the
property
owner
would
need
to
also
confirm
that
we
recommend
at
least
50
percent
of
the
site
be
inside
the
corridor
in
order
for
it
to
qualify
for
the
exemption,
so
property
owner
would
have
to
again
confirm
those
two
situations.
C
When
we
looked
at
it,
we
thought
that
you
know
we
see
it
as
an
opportunity
to
look
at
how
best
to
manage
far
along
corridors
where
we're
trying
to
encourage
density
to
support
transit,
although
on
its
own,
looking
at
it
just
on
its
own,
but
by
itself
it
results
in
a
pattern
that
we
think
is
a
little
bit
complicated.
C
It
really
wouldn't
be
workable
on
its
own,
but
it
has
to
be
combined
with
some
of
the
other
tools
that
we're
looking
at
and
that's
what
we're
looking
at
as
part
of
the
overall
comp
plan.
Amendment
as
carol
mentioned,
is
coming
forward
before
council
in
september.
L
Dean
clay,
you
recognized
well,
thank
you
carol,
randy.
We
appreciate
that
you
know
back
in
may.
Clearly
I
was
pushing
pretty
hard
for
us
to
put
in
the
interim
development
control
ordinance.
L
My
only
request
at
this
point
carol-
and
you
know
I've
talked
about
this
in
the
past
in
other
contexts-
is
to
make
sure
that
we
get
a
draft
earlier
than
that
that
date
that
you
want
us
to.
You
know
that
we're
scheduled
to
vote
on
it,
so
I
would
suggest
looking
at
our
calendar,
we
have
a
regular
meeting
september
2nd
and
maybe
you
can
just
present
a
draft
to
us-
a
five-minute
report
staff
report
draft
to
us.
L
You
know
on
that
date
and
then
that
way
we
can
use
the
month
of
september
to
give
you
our
feedback
individually
based
upon
a
draft.
It
almost
seems,
like
you,
randy
almost
has
a
draft
at
this
point,
but
you
know
we'll
we'll
give
you
guys
the
rest
of
the
summer
to
massage
that
and-
and
I
will
I'll
leave
it
to
your
discretion-
to
to
go
ahead
and
bring
that
back
when
it's
ready.
But
I
would
encourage
you
to
you,
know,
try
and
give
us
a
month
of
september
to
massage
it.
R
L
B
Anyone
else
miss
wells.
I
see
you
back
there
anything
for
you
all
right.
Okay,
gentlemen,
we
have
some
items
that
that
I'm
going
to
put
off
for
this
evening.
There's
a
resolution,
I'm
gonna
be
bringing
forth
to
you
and
there's
also
the
trim
calendar
that
I'll
be
bringing
for
you
this
evening,
mr
shelby
you're
recognized.
R
May
I
chair,
may
I
just
to
clarify
okay,
so
mr
dinkbelter,
then,
are
we
not
proceeding
to
bring
the
interim
control
ordinance
back
for
additional
consideration
to
council.
L
That
seemed
to
be
the
inclination
of
council
back
in
may
and
I
don't
see
any
anybody
jumping
up
and
down
today,
so
I'm
not
going
to
make
a
motion
but
I'll
just
let
it
drift
away
and
we'll
see
you
see
you
in
september.
I
think
this
is
that
what
the
song
said.
I
We
also
heard
in
public
comment
this
morning,
and
we
heard
from
from
from
neighbor
neighborhood
leaders
individually
that
it's
that
it's
too
late,
that
if
we
were
going
to
do
this,
we
should
have
done
it
a
while
back
and
so
they
they
seem
to
be
okay
with
us,
not
moving
forward
on
this
particular
item,
the
other,
the
other
thing,
though,
don't
forget.
Besides
the
thing
you
you're
gonna
put
on
september,
we
still
have,
I
think,
a
november,
the
separate
motion,
which
was
to
look
at
something
south
of
gandhi
in
particular.
I
But
there's
another
thing
on
the
date
on
the
calendar
last
thing
I'll
say
is:
there
are
many
people
in
the
community
around
this
who
threw
out
the
word
moratorium
and
especially
the
development
community,
and
when
they
threw
out
the
word
moratorium,
they
criticized
us
for
pushing
a
moratorium
and
calling
it
a
moratorium
and
scaring
developers
and
investors
nationally,
but
they're
the
ones
that
did
that
the
development
community,
ironically,
is
the
one
that
pushed
the
word
moratorium
and
I
would
suggest
if
we
get
into
a
conversation
like
this
next
time
that
that
the
folks
who
don't
want
it
not
push
a
word
that
could
potentially
hurt
investment
in
our
community,
because
none
of
us
want
to
do
that,
and,
and
and
and
using
a
word
like
that-
that
hurts
investment
to
fight
something
that
you
don't
want
is
not
a
good
idea.
I
And
and
investors,
I
talked
to
investors
nationally
too.
They
saw
it
and
you
know
when
you
run
an
op-ed
or
you
run
an
article
crying
about
a
moratorium,
they're
going
to
see
it,
but
they
didn't
see
it
before
those
op-eds
ran.
So
it's
not
just
it's
not
just
trying
to
scare
us
which
it
doesn't
really
do.
It's
scaring
the
investors,
which
is
not
a
good
idea.
B
All
right:
well,
we
got
that
all
out.
Okay,
all
right,
gentlemen,
I'm
not
going
to
take
any
motions
at
this
particular
time,
we'll
we'll
do
it
this
evening,
mr
shell
will
be
recognized.
Yes.
Thank
you,
mr.
E
Chairman
just
a
clarification
with
the
clerk
going
back
to
this
morning's
meeting
about
the
cmt,
there
was
some
confusion
as
to
whether
there
was
going
to
be
come
back
tonight
for
discussion.
My
understanding,
if
we
could
have
a
clarification
of
the
motion,
is
that,
if
the
order,
if
the
executive
order
is
continued,
it's
going
to
be
continuing
under
the
emergency
rules
if
it
does
expire,
its
council's
intention
to
still
continue
on
july,
15th
and
beyond,
as
it
sees
fit
with
the
cmt
assuming
that
can
be
done.
E
B
A
We
going
to
remove
that
from
the
action
summary.
I
have
a
motion
from
council
member
dean,
felder
seconded
by
councilmember
vieira
for
mountain
shelby
and
the
legal
department
to
look
into
modifying
rules
and
procedures
on
a
temporary
basis
in
regards
to
the
cmt,
and
that
was
to
be
discussed
at
the
evening
session.